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Hi Front
Thank you again for your mysterious poems that attempt to help us understand what MJ is planning and thinking right now :)

I find it really interesting reading your posts and to be honest they give me something to look forward to and investigate, all in the hope or beLIEve that MJ IS is still here and will BAM soon! lol

I don't know how much longer I can hope and rely on that happening now though with us approaching 4 years, it seems less and less likely that he will come back. I just want a sure sign he is ok, im not that selfish that I just want him to BAM for my sake but I do feel more like as every day goes by, I may have to soon accept that he just is not coming back ....

I hope that is not the case as MJ is a massive part of my life as he is all of our lives, and the thought of him never coming back sickens me!

But I keep my faith in MJ and all of you! I wish you all a happy new year aswell! :)

with the L.O.V.E!!!

Sorry I may be missing something here but ... Front is now officially a fake informer right?

Its the 1st Jan 2013 and still no BAM?

It's TS_comments that said Michael would Bam by January 1, 2013, not Front. And besides, in California (which TS said the hoax is based off California time) it's only 8:50 PM on December 31... there's still a whole 27 hours left.  :icon_e_smile:

Thanks Katy, I did not know when California, is not all that even :woohoo2:

Oh yes sorry my mistake! lol so is anyone expecting a BAM within that time then or are we now thinking next year would be more likely?
With the L.O.V.E

Sorry I may be missing something here but ... Front is now officially a fake informer right?

Its the 1st Jan 2013 and still no BAM?

Hi thanks for that reply and yes I didnt see that before so good spot! Yeah I went back and watched other MJ billie jean performances both live and rehersal and he definitely kicks with his right log both kicks at that end dance, but in this is it he uses his left both times :s

Ok so maybe I was Wrong :(

I did not want doubles in this is it coz I like to always see MJ any way but at least we had a discussion about it.

Hi supermj4eva, good to have you back!

Well, I watched the vid a few times now, your explanations seem quite clear to me, nevertheless I have in mind s.o. ( I think it was Kenny Ortega ) mentioned that MJ didn´t always give 100% in rehearsals just to save energy. Maybe that´s what you see, only 80% perfect moves when we are used to a 100% Michael?

I know it myself, as a harpist I did lots of rehearsals and performers often saved energy by singing with soft voice or dancing with reduced moves. They especially did that near the end when rehearsals took place nearly every day.

Could that be a reason you don´t recognize MJ all the  time?

Hi eternal flame! Thanks it's good to be back lol :)
Thanks for your replies that's what I wanted to discuss your opinions on my thoughts.

Although I must say I've watched hours of rehersal footage from Michaels previous tours like history and dangerous and whilst it's true he doesn't put in half the effort that he does in live performance, you can still tell its him, Michael's movements are unique.

Maybe we can compare with this video to see what I mean.... It doesn't get into it untill about 1:15 though.

I don't know, the camera's seem to be recording in different qualities, the right seems more clearer than the one on the left, and the angles are different, Also could be two different days of performances, one where he had more energy than the other...he was closer to the right recorded camera than the left so that could make a difference in how it's seen.

Hey in any other case I would agree with you although I seem to remember on the extras of the blue ray Kenny Ortega said they only ran through billie jean once, that was on June 24th and that's why MJ says at the end at least we get a feel of it. 

Sorry my last post was misleading. I wasnt referring to the embeded video I was only referring to TII in general. (I am on iphone the moment until I get a new laptop and I have just realised how hard it is to post via iphone.) Anyway, my last post definitely came across wrong, I have just realised upon re-reading. When I first hit play on this video, the sound didnt come thru, so I was just reading the text (stupid iphone) now that I have played it again, I have just heard the sound and see its not from TII its another random recording. (when I first commented I thought this was taken from TII)

Regarding the embeded video, I dont know if it is MJ. The voice kinda sounds like MJ but the chuckle doesnt. To me anyway. But I have no idea. Possibly. Who knows?  :errrr:

I guess what I was referring to @Darkchild, is that on TII there is a distinct difference in the dialogue between "the sound guy" and "MJ" depending on if he is talking to real MJ or Double MJ.

When Real MJ is on (777 shirt and fist in ear MJ, just to name two appearances of real MJ) he is directing "the sound guy". When the MJ double is on, "The sound guy" directs MJ. The roles reverse.

"The sound guy" is more respectful of real MJ than he is of the "MJ double" - My point is if one is struggling to "visually" work out who the double, the dialogue is good to go by because of the above mentioned point.

Anyways. I might not be making sence. Can't wait for my new laptop to arrive, just ordered it an hour ago - too hard this way - as my second post is as unclear as the first (sorry folks  :icon_e_wink: )

If anyone is really interested in doubles in TII, some of our lovely mods have broken down TII and isolated the doubles. The threads are old but very interesting indeed and a definite read for anyone interested in TII or doubles. Great analysis of the doubles throughout TII - They are located either in the TII board or the Doubles board. Cant be more helpful because I'm on iphone, otherwise I'd link the threads I am speaking about.

Yes please could you give me the links? thanks :)

[2 MJ's being used for Billie Jean in This Is It!]

Ok Im back now after a few months off from the hoax and I finally want to contribute something which may be of some worth.

I have watched this Billie Jean clip about a million times, and something always struck me as odd but I could not quite put my finger on it.
Then suddenly after another poster posted something unrelated about the same video it jumped out at me!!

Now I want you to bare with me here while I explain this to you and get your thoughts.

Ok my discovery is ....... That there are 2 MJ's being used for Billie Jean in This Is It!

I will now Show you where and when the 2 MJ's switch on the above video. Please read the whole thing and watch with the video before you say im wrong.

1) So in my opinion the person that does heel strike IS NOT MJ!!! He is to Short and stumpy, Shoulders too square and not enough omph in his crotch grab.

2) But you will notice the camera quickly then flashes to a front view of MJ who looks directly in to the camera and gives us an MJ face is the only way i can describe it, and his crotch grabs instantly have more omph. His shoulders are pointy he looks taller and his ears are non mistakeable!

3) This is where MJ makes it easier for us now and from now on you will mainly only have to camera angeles. One which is MJ, the other which is the impostor.

4) The camera angles look like one is the bottom left of the stage and one is bottom right both looking up towards MJ.

5) At about 0:20 of the clip it switches to the left camera angle and this is the angle I beLIEve to be the imposter. From this left angle the person performing looks, lethargic, slow, and lazy, no real energy. If you look closely you will see this person moves and walks on the soles and flats of his feet.
This is not the characteristic of a dancer usually as they are usually kind of on their toes.

6) Then at 0:33 the camera angle Jumps to the right had side and MJ instantly Jumps into life! his movements have much more energy and passion. He is kind of on his toes. Then the real give away for me, as he starts to walk he kind of swishes his left arm in front of him, and MJ always does this when he performs.

7) Then at 0:45 the camera switches again to the other side, to the left hand side again and the performer instantly seems drained of energy. His legs look a little wider, and his movements are ridged. Its as if he is made from wood.

8) The camera angle keeps switching from side to side and every time it switches it seems the MJ Performing Switches as well. If you look at 1:15 the camera should be from the left hand side and MJ or the imposter kind of puts his feet together and kind of bends his back slightly then puts his arms up in the air and then walks away to the left still bent over like an old man and really looks like he can hardly move.

9) Then at 1:23 The camera angle switches and MJ instantly looks at ease again. His legs look thinner and more agile, and bend easier lol if that makes sense. He then steps backwards and shakes his hands really fast like he does in man in the mirror and other performances.

10) The camera then switches to the left again at 1:32 the camera switches to the left again and the Impostor! the MJ there just casually stamps one foot on the floor and looked abit lazy and ridged with his movement. Again from this angle, it is easier to see his legs and you can easily see they look a little wider than the MJ from the right hand sides.

11) BAM! then at 1:39 The main chorus of Billie Jean starts and the camera flashes the the right hand side where the real MJ bursts into life once more and is really going for it.

13) then the camera flashes to the Left again and the Shorter, MJ again just looks casual and not bothered.

14) Then at 1:48 the camera flashes to the right hand side again and MJ does that thing where he reaches up and grabs the air with his fist and pulls it downwards.

Im not gunna do the whole video for you as its to long maybe just the other main parts and you can work the rest out for yourselves pretty easily.

Point one - At 2:04 MJ does like this cool Robot move and starts the slide glide, the camera the pans the the left side where the Impostor finishes off the slide glide and fails miserably at it, something MJ could always do with ease.

Point 2 - At 2:12 Camera pans to the right where The Real MJ pulls out an amazing popping move definitely him!

Point 3 - At 2-30 Fake Shorter MJ is very flat footed again and just kind of moving feet up and down not doing much, hand gestures to the camera to switch to the other MJ.

Point 4 - 2:37 Real MJ is in a completely different position to the other camera angle and effortlessly glides across the stage kicking legs out and dancing. Watch the way he walks from 2:48 - 2:50. He is completely confident in the way he carries himself and is exacly the way that MJ performs and then throws a hand in the air!

Point 5 - at 2-52 The Imposter from the left is very clumsy is randomly jumping in the air very flat footed again.

Point 6 - at 3:18 the Real MJ from the right starts pulling out the ankle breakers and twisting and body locking that the other MJ from the Left really does not look like he can do.

Point 7 - At 3:27 Fake MJ from the left finishes off Ankle breakers very dismally and cant do it. from this angle you can again see the height difference.

point 8 - The camera imiedieltly pans back to the camera on the right where the real MJ busts another amazing mover and is really pissing all over the other one to the left.

Point 9 - At 3:40 the camera goes to the left and you can see the difference again as the imposter is in a different position and looks very bad and slow again.

Point 10 - At 4:46 the Real MJ from the right claps as if to say im the real MJ!!!

Point 11 - At 4:48 Fake MJ from the left Acts to put on make up and disguise as if to say im the fake MJ! Then does a strange symbolism dance and Shouts Bam

Point 12 -  The real MJ from the Right then does the moonwalk to prove he is the real MJ.

Point 13 - The Fake MJ from the left then again fails to do the side Slide!

Point 14 - at 5:27 Fake MJ puts the wrong leg forward at the start of the Hat dance.

Point 15 - Real MJ from the right then busts another load of cool moves.

If anyone else feels they have anything to add to this then please do. Oh and this is just a thought please dont slate me if you think im wrong.

With the L.O.V.E

This is crazy, ok why are the families stories different?
If she really is just resting, why the hell do the children under her direct care have no idea in the world of where she is or if she's ok?
What is to hide?
Some ones hiding the truth, could she be in a place with no name? Lol

Its now been 3 years, since June 25th 2009.
MJ has been missed, and whilst we have debunked his death to the near point of certainty that he is still alive, I still felt a huge sense of sadness yesterday that he may actually be gone.

Therefore I will probably take a short break from the site and any Death Hoax related news as I really cant deal with any more of it at the moment.
I just need a break from it all to reflect and to refresh

I hope MJ returns soon, but if not I wish him all the love and joy in the world where ever he may be :)

I will be back at some point I am sure as it is so hard to stay away.

L.O.V.E to you all

I think if Michael come back is with a message....a message of L.O.V.E.
Told us  at 02 that was his last show.... :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile  :icon_e_wink:

Man I just can not get over that day! Something was so strange yet so clear about that press conference!
Was it him or wasn't it him? I dont know but one thing is for sure, he was trying to tell us something that day you can tell!

I just wish I knew what all the hand gestures meant!

When I saw that live I still remember to this day, thinking that that was going to be his final appearance, and that was why he was saying:

"when I say this is it, I really mean THIS is it, THIS is the final curtain call" with curtains behind him.

It was eery but I though just maybe becuase he was dying or something and he knew that was going to be his last public apprearnce but know I think it could have been his big goodbye to the world for a while or forever before he goes into hiding and that is why he is soooo emotional?

I know there is seperate threads about the 02 announcement but its just so dam interesting and im sure its a very important part of the hoax which if only we could figure out, would be a giant step forward, as it is actually from MJ himself!

@love4michael Wooooh!

LOL I did not intend in anyway intend to create a thread where people could desperately demand things of MJ and act needy.

Im sure he has enough of that etc. but at the same time fans and the like need to express their Love somewhere, and if for some reason MJ one day comes across a thread such as this, then im sure it would bring Joy to his heart to read some of the things real people across the world feel for him.

I personally love MJ and would love a return one day, but ultimately its up to him.

Recently on this forum I have sensed a bit of tension between posters, I guess its just the build of of this Hoax ay?

at the end of the day we all want the same thing= The best thing for MJ, and if that involves a BAM then great!

Hey thanks MJ on Mind also for taking the time to try and help lol.

Oh ok so now I think I understand a bit better about the TS stuff, it connects to the possibility of MJ wanting to warn us about the end of the world etc. which he has done on numerous occasions and said in This Is it "we have 4 years to get it right"

Well then I can look with a new eye now I can see the connection Thanks.

I think nothing will happen until after AEG trial....Chin up.

Mmm. But if it hinged on that trial in any way shape or form, I do not believe TS would have so plainly stated that there is a deadline of 1/1/2013. Trials get delayed, even staged ones (refer to Murray trial of 2011). He's left everything open ended prior to this, even all the Bam teases, just to give himself an out so as not to be caught telling a direct untruth. This time he stated plainly, if not by 1/1/2013, he is a fake.

And I still don't believe he is (was) a fake.

I guess he has thrown it all out on the line. But even if he is right or wrong, who is he meant to be any way?
An informer, MJ himself, or someone else?