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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI April 11
« on: April 16, 2011, 06:28:15 PM »
Hi Souza,

Quote from: "~Souza~"
If there was a real corpse, than assisted suicide is the only option. No other death can be planned like that.

I know you are right about that. But I'm breaking my head about if it is really nececcary for the hoax  to use a dead body for the paramedics. I don't believe it is nececcary for the coronor.

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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI April 11
« on: April 16, 2011, 06:01:49 PM »
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "blue moon"
ill will start my theorie with the autopsie report.

When the autopsy report is not fake, than there have to be a body that died of some illness. But that was not the cause of death.  the propofol and the other meds were. So it has to be (assistend) suicide for psychological problems?
you have a point here.
TS said we were going to analyse what is the ambulance to UCLA but this can't be done without linking everything together.
Maybe it's a good idea to start with the AR.


I don't think it was an assisted suicide.
If there was a body - I think there was a John Doe but in this case, like you say, a real autopsy, would find the real cause of John Doe's death and even if let's say they could filled the dead body with propofol and everything else, the autopsy should have revealed also the real cause of death of John Doe.
Of course if the coroner is in, there is less trouble...

 Hi GINAFELICIA,
 
And according to the AR they took the fingerprints. So one way or the other the coronor finds out that it is not MJ.

That was one of my questions while reading the AR. Is it possible that you pump, by doing cpr,  the propofol and the other meds not only in the vains, but also in the organs and the eyes? I also have read that when you are for a long time on propofol that the urine turns green. In the AR they said that the urine in the body and in the sac behind the chair was clear.

I still think they diddnt use a dead body, at least not for the coroner. And that the AR is fake.

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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI April 11
« on: April 16, 2011, 05:24:31 PM »
Hi, Im_convincedmjalive


Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"
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blue moon wrote:
Richard Senneff: question: did you have a particular role to play as part of this emergency repsons team. answer: All of our jobs are predetermined. you were the passenger, that’s correct. does that have a meaning who does what. I as the radio man, I have control in information gathering, whehat the most imortant part.

Richard Senneff descripes himself perfectly as the paramedic at the head of MJ in the ambulance picture; question: Where were you in the ambulance? Answer: I was at he heand of the gurney at hthey ehad, between his knees, to keep an eye on his airway, That alows me to be right they near the microphone . I was in the RA, facing th windows, facing bakwards. my back was to the drive. the other two paramedicas werw eht us. Is the picture of the ambulance fake? Than the testimony of Richard is fake.



Q: Another idea he had (Murray), was to administer magnesium.

Senneff: Yes.

Q: They don’t give you all the equipment (medications) as a hospital?

Senneff: That’s correct. Paramedics did not have magnesium on hand. Not part of their standard medication stocking, so all that had to be obtained from the hospital.

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During the prelim there was a question about the use of magnesium. "Q: Another idea he (MUrray) had was to administer magnesium". Senneff: "Yes".

Richard Sennef said it was not part of their normal equipment. But this letter shows that it is.

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Letter of appreciation from UCLA for Mark Goodwin
Dear Chief Bamattre:
Re: Kenton Smith, F/F Paramedic

Mark Goodwin, F/F Paramedic
The medical staff at UCLA MC EMC would like to recognize your
outstanding skills and knowledge in assisting a man in cardiac
arrest. The call came in on May 27th. It was a difficult situation in
that he was in a rare cardiac rhythm called Torsades de Pointes.
It looks similar to ventricular tachycardia. Lidocaine and magnesium
is the treatment of choice
. He has had a positive outcome, to
date, and has you to thank. We appreciate your efforts in providing
outstanding care for our community.
Sincerely,
Karen Simonet, PCC
Atilla Uner, MD, MPH
And I'm sure it is the same Mark Goodwin.



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And it is interesting that Mark Goodwin starts his own business in 2010

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parpmedic for 27 25 with LAFD. (possible testimony of Goodwin, thougt it was interesting because it was not clear to me that he gave a testimony at the prelim)

I heard you say earlier that as a parmedic thaty ou don’t have all the discretion that all the things a dr can do. that’s corect I’m not a doctor. to give yourslef you work in a much differne enviroment htan a doctor thati’s corect. you hae to gov oit in he ireld thats’ ture. You hae to go out and i nvieomtn in situatuoins that are directly unpredictable. In fairs to do, he you don’t get any of that. Doctors have a controleld invoronent and a lot of team, that have trined with. our engine company that I train with, we get some of that.
You now tran seasoned paramedics because you’re so good at it/ that’s corect.



Brad herron: firefighter not a paramedic, doing chestcompressions on MJ in bedroom. Maybe he is allowed to do this, but according to their bulletin you get a 3 months education, 5 days a week, before you are a licenced paramedic.

Blount observed Dr. Murray in the ambulance take out his cell phone and make a phone call. While working on the patient Blount heard that it was Michael Jackson and he recognized him as Michael Jackson. At the hospital, he was at the location, restocking his equipment. So Martin Blount was the second paramedic working on MJ in the ambulance. Did we seeBlount observed Dr. Murray in the ambulance take out his cell phone and make a phone call. While working on the patient a black paramedic working on MJ in the ambulance picture? Who drives the ambulance to the hospital. Their job is probably not so predetermined as Sennef said?
according to Senneff  (senneff himself )he was the last emt going in the ambulance with Murray

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 quote "once the patient MJ was placed in ambluance did you have reason to run back upstiars".

"yes I turned around went back upstairs because I dindt’ want to leave any equipment behind". dwhe you went back upstairs  did you see doctor Murray  in the room?. "He was standing on the other side of the bed on the nightstand, and a bag, white plastic trashbag. picking things up".

Senneff secured Mj in the ambulance, than  went back upstairs for equipment, sees Murray upstairs collecting stuff. Murray and Sennef in the back of the ambulance with Blount working on MJ. Sennef said he is at the head of MJ. It is possible that Blount get out of the back of the ambulance and starts driving the ambulance, but he didnt say that.



Jeffrey Mills: according to his wife he was very busy with the resusication of MJ. But he is only mentioned by Senneff as the fire chief. His wife said that he and the ambulance(crew) were at UCLa till at least 7 o clock in the evening. Why so long? Normally they deliver the patient, fill in the forms and go back to the station waiting for another emergency. I believe there was a briefing between the paramedics, Michael/Jermaine? FBI? Hospital management.
Links to where you got this info is always appreciated. I do know that you included your questions in this text. I can see them. This provides contradictory info regarding Blount's position in the ambulance. The info regarding Mark Goodwin, F/F Paramedic is from a different day and different person. He is a FF/Paramedic though. Jeffery Mills is the Fire Captain that day and I believe he was the driver.

Why do you think that Jeff Mills was the driver that day? The strange thing is that he is only mentioned as "fire chief" by Richard Sennef. Only because of his wife's blog we know that he was there.



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Blount is referring to his role IN THE BEDROOM not in the ambulance. I imagine each member of any EMT team has a specific role to avoid confusion about who's going to do what when they attend an emergency situation - my understanding of Blount's statement was that he was simply explaining what his role was.
I see what your saying and according to the info above Senneff is saying the roles are predetermined. How would Blount be able to observe Murray in the ambulance if he was facing forward driving?

It seems to me that he isn't driving to the hospital

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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI April 11
« on: April 15, 2011, 08:22:47 PM »
ill will start my theorie with the autopsie report.

When the autopsy report is not fake, than there have to be a body that died of some illness. But that was not the cause of death.  the propofol and the other meds were. So it has to be (assistend) suicide for psychological problems? And they took the ingerprints of the body. Wy an autopsy on a real body?  when the coronor finds out it is not MJ because of his fingerprints. When the coronor is in the know, he does not need a real body. I think that the ar is fake.

Are the paramedics real? Was a real dead body neccesary for the paramedics?

Richard Senneff: question: did you have a particular role to play as part of this emergency repsons team. answer: All of our jobs are predetermined. you were the passenger, that’s correct. does that have a meaning who does what. I as the radio man, I have control in information gathering, whehat the most imortant part.

Richard Senneff descripes himself perfectly as the paramedic at the head of MJ in the ambulance picture; question: Where were you in the ambulance? Answer: I was at he heand of the gurney at hthey ehad, between his knees, to keep an eye on his airway, That alows me to be right they near the microphone . I was in the RA, facing th windows, facing bakwards. my back  was to the drive. the other two paramedicas werw eht us.   Is the picture of the ambulance fake? Than the testimony of Richard is fake.

Q: Another idea he had (Murray), was to administer magnesium.

Senneff: Yes.

Q: They don’t give you all the equipment (medications) as a hospital?

Senneff: That’s correct. Paramedics did not have magnesium on hand. Not part of their standard medication stocking, so all that had to be obtained from the hospital.


Mark goodwin: trying to get an iv in MJ in the bedroom
Wednesday, July 16, 2003 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login Number 29 weekly bulletin of LA firefighters

Dear Chief Bamattre:
Re: Kenton Smith, F/F Paramedic
Mark Goodwin, F/F Paramedic
The medical staff at UCLA MC EMC would like to recognize your
outstanding skills and knowledge in assisting a man in cardiac
arrest. The call came in on May 27th. It was a difficult situation in
that he was in a rare cardiac rhythm called Torsades de Pointes.
It looks similar to ventricular tachycardia. Lidocaine and magnesium
is the treatment of choice. He has had a positive outcome, to
date, and has you to thank. We appreciate your efforts in providing
outstanding care for our community.
Sincerely,
Karen Simonet, PCC
Atilla Uner, MD, MPH



Mark Goodwin  CEO, 7G Safety Inc.

    Greater Los Angeles Area
    Public Safety

Current:         Owner at 7G Safety Inc.
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January 2008 – Present (3 years 4 months)

I have been teaching CPR classes for 20 years, I started my
7G Safety Inc. company last year. I have incorporated many different classes for businesses, schools, medical and dental offices, construction companies and more. Classes include: CPR/AED/First Aid Classes, OSHA Safety Classes, Disaster Preparedness Training. I am an AED (automatic external defibrillator) distributor for the Philips Corporation.
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currently a firefighter/Paramedic for 28 years



Mark goodwin was maybe already at the prelim ?(day 2 part c) trials and tribulations

parpmedic for 27 25 with LAFD.

I heard you say earlier that as a parmedic thaty ou don’t have all the discretion that all the things a dr can do. that’s corect I’m not a doctor. to give yourslef you work in a much differne enviroment htan a doctor thati’s corect. you hae to gov oit in he ireld thats’ ture. You hae to go out and i nvieomtn in situatuoins that are directly unpredictable. In fairs to do, he you don’t get any of that. Doctors have a controleld invoronent and a lot of team, that have trined with. our engine company that I train with, we get some of that.
You now tran seasoned paramedics because you’re so good at it/ that’s corect.





Brad herron: firefighter not a paramedic, doing chestcompressions on MJ in bedroom. Maybe he is allowed to do this, but according to their bulletin you get a 3 months education, 5 days a week, before you are a licenced paramedic.


martin blount: driver of ambulance 71, securing an airway in the bedroom, the fifth one in line of the five firefighters who enters the bedroom. Blount observed Dr. Murray in the ambulance take out his cell phone and make a phone call. While working on the patient, Blount heard that it was Michael Jackson and he recognized him as Michael Jackson. At the hospital, he was at the location, restocking his equipment. So Martin Blount was the second paramedic working on MJ in the ambulance. Did we see a black paramedic working on MJ in the ambulance picture? Who drives the ambulance to the hospital. Their job is probably not so predetermined as Sennef said?


Jeffrey Mills: according to his wife he was very busy with the resusication of MJ. But he is only mentioned by Senneff as the fire chief. His wife said that he and the ambulance(crew) were at UCLa till at least 7 o clock in the evening. Why so long? Normally they deliver the patient, fill in the forms and go back to the station waiting for another emergency. I believe there was a briefing between the paramedics, Michael/Jermaine? FBI? Hospital management.


I believe they know. In cord they can give a plausible testimony. And especially Mark Goodwin is so experienced, you cannot fool him. I don't think they used a real body. They new already what was going to happen, but had their first briefing when they arrived at the house, and the second one in the hospital.

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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI March 9
« on: March 14, 2011, 06:36:59 PM »
Soosie Woosie

In the Hollywood video you see that  ,an ambulance, just rides behind the gate and the gate gets closed. It starts at 1.42. At the picture the Emt takes the roadblocks to put them on the street. The touristbus is not the same one as in the Starline tourist video.



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TIAI & TS Discussions / Re: TS and all else
« on: November 29, 2010, 09:42:59 AM »
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WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 2010

ANNOUNCEMENT

I have been asked some questions about why I do not support the court case, why Elvis/Jesse does not support the court case, am I sure that I am still in touch with the real Elvis Presley, why is the court case not within his approval while my web site is, etc.

I will state very briefly here a few answers...but I will not air "dirty laundry" here about this case nor why Elvis/Jesse does not support the case.

His disapproval of this case was made clearly known to each of us involved in October of last year...2009.  If you will note, I have stated a number of times, when posting an update on the case that my only interest in this case was because it involved Jesse's DNA.  I have not posted one word of update about anyone involved in this case.

You may recall, if you were visiting my web site back last year, that I did remove my pages regarding the party involved and the case from my site rather abruptly.

I only continued to post the court updates and Attorney Andy Mayoras's blog comments about the case on my web site because I knew that the proceedings would eventually substantiate myself and my web site.

Once it became clear this month that the judge has refused to dismiss the case, after seeing the DNA results which revolve around my friend Jesse's DNA, I feel that I and the truth which I tell on my web site have been sufficiently evidenced.  No judge would allow a case to proceed in this manner without substantiating proof...by allowing the conference to convene on Nov. 30th to begin setting a trial date.

Therefore, I will no longer update anything about this case on my web site.  I have been torn about even mentioning this case in the manner in which I have because Elvis/Jesse asked that I remove ALL concerning the party in the case from my web site...which I did.  I knew how interested my visitors were in anything that would prove that my site is the truth...so I shared the little that I did.

Secondly, can anyone visiting my web site (and viewing all of the evidence, copies of actual letters to me from Elvis, my 54 pages of evidence...time after time documenting that I am telling the truth) seriously think that I am so dumb that after 18 years of contact, I would not know if the real Elvis has stopped being my friend and being in touch with me on the phone and in writing???  Get a grip people!!

You may not like me, you may be jealous of me, you may not like the truth about the lack of support for the court case...on and on as to your reasons for not believing me.  But, I can assure everyone that I am neither naive, dumb, nor dishonest.  My web site speaks volumes about me and the truth.

The man I am in touch with to this very day, the man who called me several times to check on my recovery from my recent surgery and sent me two gifts for my recent birthday IS ABSOLUTELY ELVIS PRESLEY...the very same man with whom I first became acquainted in 1992.  Absolutely nothing about our friendship has changed...we still discuss the same things with references to the past, inquiries about the well being of my husband and our little dog (by name).  NO, there are not two Jesse's, there are not two Elvis's...there are fakes, frauds and imposters who muddy the waters and lead others astray.

When Elvis/Jesse spoke with me in October, 2009, after he made his position on the case, etc. very clear to me.  I offered to remove my web site and he told me no, that I could keep my web site.  He has many times since then reaffirmed to me that he supports me 100% and that he would do anything he could to help me. I have asked nothing of him and I don't intend to.  The only things I have asked of him is his permission to display some things and his approval for some of the info which I have on my site.  I do very frequently print off pages from my site and send to him for his enjoyment and his opinion.  He knows that if there is one word on my site which he does not like, that I will remove any and all content with just one word from him.

He also knows that if he changes his mind and wants me to take my web site down that it will be gone IMMEDIATELY.  That, by the way, is the only reason that I will ever take it down.  Even if there comes a time, when I no longer add to it nor update it, it will stand for at least three years.  I have paid for that in advance.  But, if Elvis/Jesse wants it gone, I will forfeit my money and delete the entire web site the moment he asks me to do so.

As for the reason that he opposes the court case while supporting my web site.  The reason is really quite simple and obvious...aside from the fact that he and I are very close friends.

I can post the truth on my web site until doomsday and never actually PROVE that he is alive to the point that it will intrude on his personal life nor place him in any danger.  As he spoke to me years ago about another situation relating to him being alive "Oh well...no body would believe him anyway."  And NO, he was not referring to Dr. Hinton.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, THERE WILL NEVER BE ONE WORD ON MY WEB SITE WHICH COULD EVER LEAD ANYONE TO FIND HIM.  I know public people that everyone would recognize if I were to mention their names who are currently in contact with Elvis/Jesse but I will NEVER, under any circumstances mention the name of one single individual who is currently in touch with him...public person nor private person.  He will never be exposed nor tracked down via my web site.

Take note that Orion the singer, Jimmy Ellis, has passed away.  Shelby Singleton the producer of the Orion records has passed away.  The whole ORION the singer connection to Elvis himself ended way back in 1982...for the most part...

Orion Pictures went bankrupt and their film library was bought up by MGM.  Again, that is all in the past.

You will NEVER see one word on my web site concerning Elvis/Jesse's current life...NONE WHATSOVER.

Therefore, my web site is a source of enlightenment and enjoyment to his fans, a means for me to disprove the lies told about me after the book was published and a means for me to stand up and defend Elvis/Jesse against the trash that has been put out there over the years about Elvis and then about Jesse and his book.

Elvis, did not owe one single word of explanation to anyone about what he did, why he did it, nor even one word that he is still alive today.  I count myself the most blessed person in the world that he has chosen and allowed me to be his trusted friend.  That is a God given honor and blessing to me.  I treasure it with all of my heart and soul.

However, on the other hand, the court case will prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that Elvis is alive and is now Jesse.  The DNA already proves that.  It will expose him and his family.  it has already caused him some personal private problems which break my heart for him.  It is being done in spite of the fact that he asked that it be stopped. The extent to which this case may go is a disgrace.  A ruthless attempt to prove a point to the ultimate culmination of fame and money.

These above statements are all absolutely the truth and will be my final comments on any of this.  I hope this will settle some of these questions once and for all.  It should certainly be appreciated by everyone involved that I am taking the high road about all of this and refusing to air "dirty laundry" about anyone involved.

Truthfully yours,

Linda Hood Sigmon



Linda writes that she can post her prove that Elvis is alive, whithout actually prove that he is alive and place him in danger . Nobody can track down Elvis by her webside.


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On page 47 Linda placed a photo of Elvis with his grandson send to her by Jesse himself. Maybe I'm wrong about that but when I see that person by coinsidence, and I read Linda hoods webside, It is possible that I think that might be Elvis Presley. When I looked for the picture on her webside I noticed that Linda changed that picture: It's more blurred now, the grandson is not anymore on the picture and the van is removed from the picture.

old picture on her webside



The next letter from Jesse was written to me in July, 1997.  This letter accompanied the photo of Jesse with his grandson Benjamin.

There have been so many illogical disputes over this photo.  I asked Jesse if I may display just the part of this letter which pertains to the photo.  Here you will see that he writes of the plastic surgery to change his appearance.

It has always been a mystery to me why people don't want to believe that this photo is of Elvis with Ben.  I have stated so many times...and shown proof...that Elvis's bone structure has not changed one iota and that the little boy in the photo matches other photos of Ben around that age.


changed picture




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At this moment Elvis Presley is dead according the law. So officially he cannot sign with Elvis Presley. Maybe for Eliza it is enough for her to proof that she is related to Elvis by using this picture (maybe there are other pictures) along with the dna from the envelope and the other samples given by the relatives of Elvis.





This article is not MJ related, but it shows that when you cannot legaly proof that you are a daugher or family  from someone, it will not say that your are a fraud. Sometimes you just need to be lucky. I

The lost son of a millionaire
Volkskrant 04/11/1910, 00:00

Jerry Winkler is the protagonist in a modern fairy tale: Until recently he was a beggar, addicted to drink and drugs. Now it seems he is the only son of a millionaire .

It was in the spring of 2010 in Cafe Wildschut in South Amsterdam that the 28-year-old Alfred Jan. Jerry Winkler - who then had another name - for the first time in his life saw a picture of his father. It was not even a real photograph, but a copy of a newspaper page from  four years earlier.

Jerry had called the newspaper ten days before. In the autumn of 2006 a story in the paper  was written about the settlement of the tumultuous legacy of a wealthy businessman from Bussum. This Alfred Winkler had died childless.

Jerry was urgently seeking information about the piece, so he made the Volkskrant attendant clearly. It was for him a matter of life.

One thing he felt very strongly: this could be the turning point of his life. The moment he said goodbye to his old life. From the streets houses, drugs and booze, his stepfather, and his old name. From now on he was known as Jerry Winkler. He was the son of Alfred Winkler from the article. That had to be.

In early 2010 Jerry called his father Johnnie. His second wife answered the telephone. "I have to ask," Jerry said to her. "Is  Johnnie my father? I look nothing like him. I hear that all my life. I look like a Spaniard, and he was a Dutchman. "

"Johnnie is not there, but he'll explain everything later," said the woman. Johnnie called back later that day. "I must tell you something," he said. "You're right. I'm not your father. "

Jerry was from another man. But he diddn't know who his real father was.

Jerry's mother had never told anyone that her husband Johnnie was infertile when she became pregnant. The pregnancy was Johnnie a slap in his face, but he had not requested his marriage was already fragile.

Over three years later, in 1985, the inevitable happened: Jerry's parents divorced. His father left the family home in Diemen-Zuid, where the toddler Jerry Alfred- called Jerry -continued to live with his older brother Johnnie Junior and his mother .

Johnnie junior was named after his father, so much was clear. But why was Jerry's first name Alfred, the boys asked her. She said she was charmed by Alfred J. Kwak - the character from the musical by Herman's Hermits. That sounded even then as an unlikely story.

Jerry and Johnny had eight wonderful years in Diemen. They went to school, did well and played hours on the street. There was a playground and a football area for the door. Lange Frans and Baas B., who became the most famous rappers in Diemen would be their neighbor boys and friends.

But in 1990 they found out that their mother had a brain tumor. She was under the knife, survived the surgery but could not care for the boys. Jerry moved to his father and his new wife, and Johnnie junior was left alone in the house in Diemen-Zuid.

Eight years later his mother died. Jerry and Johnnie junior, who now had become a taxi driver, found her dead one morning in an assisted living in Diemen.

Jerry ran away from home on his 14th, to never return. It was the beginning of a long tour of boarding schools, shelters, homeless families and guest houses throughout the Netherlands. For twelve years he was everywhere and nowhere. Miraculously, he stayed out of the hands of the police. He used drugs, was dealing and wandered.

In 2009 Jerry broke his kneecap and half a year he could not move. He lived at the Salvation Army until his brother arranged an anti-squat house for him. He appealed to the ROC test, which proved that he could count well, and was also above average creativity. Gently he began to think about his future.

And now he had it again. Who was his father then? Why was there always lied to him? Why was the carpet under his feet each time pulled out? He had bought a bottle of whiskey, a few grams of coke, and lived in the days after the conversation with his father in the shit.

Then he found himself. So it would never work, he realized. To find answers, he had his head in order.

Jerrie diddn't remember much about the death of his mother. In the confused days after her death Jerry and his brother threw all her belongings out of the house. Jerry only had taken  a silver lighter, whith the inscription "Techni Power". His mother was a secretary for the company in the time he was born.

Perhaps the company still existed, or would a former employee can help him - he fantasized.

And so Jerry on Sat afternoon at the computer, and he tapped in the random search terms into Google. The combination "Techni Power and Jerry" produced nothing, and other phrases that came up to him either.

Jerry decided to go for his first name, Alfred. He tapped "Techni Power and Alfred" in. And there appeared at the top of the list of search results, an article from the Times on events surrounding the legacy of Techni Power Director Alfred Winkler.

Why Jerry had called the Times. Therefore he was now Wildschut cafe and watched a crumpled newspaper page, with a picture of a colossal villa in Bussum - the former home of Winkler, and also the former head of Technicolor Power. Poor birds, stood above the title-page article.

But not looked at Jerry. On the newspaper page was a black and white photograph of a man  an actor who disappeared from a 50s movie.  The man was sitting on a boat, with a wife and a child. It was Alfred Winkler.

Handsome man, Jerry said. After ten minutes he said nothing. He thought of the years he had lived on the streets. To the filthy houses, where he had slept - if not in the park or under a bridge considered. In the pensions he had survived by being the first of these bums like him from his bed. So it worked.

After ten minutes staring at the newspaper page Jerry burst loose. How was it? People still lived who could tell him more about Alfred Winkler? What had happened? There were more photos of his father? Did he have brothers or sisters?

Four months after his first meeting with the reporter of the newspaper, sat in Café Wildschut Jerry again. He was tophumeur. He had a short-sleeved shirt so that everyone could see his impressive collection of tattoos. Look at me Wildschut, he thought. Look at me, decent people. If only they knew what was going on.

But before he would make fun of the blonde bombshell in front of him on his way to the cafe, Jerry had to handle something. He had to show that his feelings had been right. In his bag he had a document from the Academic Hospital in Leiden, which he had recently picked up at the law firm Vink & Partners, opposite the Rijksmuseum.

It was a kinship report of the Forensic Laboratory for DNA testing from August 2, 2010, with the following conclusion:

"Based on the 17 so-called autosomal DNA markers is more than 1 million times more likely that the biological child of AK82 AW36, than any other man. In other words, it is more than 99.9999% sure that mr. A. F. Winkler, born. Date: 07/27/1936, the biological father of Jerry Alfred January at. Date: 04/07/1982 "

Jerry had in his search for his father approached anyone who could tell him anything about his father. The best friend of his mother, but even they could not clarify it. No, his mother had never told her of an affair with her boss. And she did not know that Jerry's father Johnnie was sterile.

Jerry had also spoken with the people who four years before had sought publicity about the legacy of his father. He had seen the stepdaughter of Winkler (see box below on this page), and the people who had tried to help her history with Alfred Winkler above table.

He knew much more, but he was not there yet. Therefore he had a good day at the law firm rang Vink & Partners, which is housed in a large office building on the Museumplein in Amsterdam. Since the tax and legal advisers working on the foundations which his father had failed millions, he knew. He first spent one hour around the corner to gather courage, and when he felt strong enough, he had rung.

In the reception room of the historic building he had told the secretary said he wanted to talk Klaus Vink, the eponym of the office. Finch had to speak to him briefly and asked his phone number.

A week later he called and he was returned to the office. Since he had a conversation with Klaus Vink's history was revealed. And he told who he thought  he is. Jerry also had a childhood photograph of Alfred Winkler shown.

Finch had never heard such a story. But he diddn't found it not credible. And what looked like Jerry on the young Alfred in the picture. So he decided, in consultation with his colleague who represented the heritage foundation, a DNA test to apply.


Since then, Jerry lives in the world upside down. He may Klaus Vink on an apartment and apply it to the skybox at the Arena, where the lawyer is chairman of the Business Club Ajax. And he is talking about how to proceed with the inheritance. He expects that he will receive money, he says, but not now and not in one go.

And besides: it's not about the millions. He wanted to know his origins, and his biological father. That he succeeded. He is the Crumb of 2010. He is the protagonist in a modern fairy tale.

He does lose a thing. He knows only too well that in all those years on the streets people hurt. Yes, he has made wrong decisions. He lied, he cheated and he gehosseld. He did not know who he was when he did so. He was not, he drank and he used.

But, that's all over. Not everything is good to talk, but with him it's fine. He wants to honestly say that everyone knows. He has respect for everyone who has helped him, and understand people who are angry with him.

He will do good things with the money from his father. Something for the homeless, something for his family. And he goes to college and start something for themselves. Thus, his father wanted.

Let me pay the ticket but said Jerry. I am the son of a millionaire.


DNA match with a tooth

Jerry Winkler (see story above) is not the only one who thought his father was Alfred Winkler. His stepsister Carla has for years taken into account that it was conceived by Winkler.

Carla was raised by Alfred Winkler, with whom her mother lived together and Winkler deathbed even got married. Partly for that reason they cared greatly to the legacy of the Bussum businessman.

Three years ago, Carla dug Winkler's body, who was buried in a spacious and well kept grave with her mother at the General Cemetery in Bussum. They wanted a DNA test performed to see if she was the daughter of the businessman, and thus would be entitled to have one million inheritance.

The excavation - exhumatie as officially called - has led to great controversy in Bussum. There was a special hearing and require approval of the mayor Bussum before Carla got permission to open grave.

Accompanied by a dentist and an official witness was the tombstone of the grave lifted and hoisted the coffin. Alfred Winkler had become a skeleton, but a stylish frame. The expensive suit in wich he was buried  looked like it was purchased yesterday.

Winkler was a tooth pulled, and the coffin was closed again. The tooth was taken to University Hospital in Leiden put there and used to extract DNA material. In vain, for Carla. Alfred Winkler was not her father.

For Jerry was the history with his step sister more than a happy coincidence. The DNA samples from his father lay by the research they had carried out already stored in Leiden. He only needed a little saliva to represent the relationship testing.

Moreover, if she was not going to dig into her history,  the story of Alfred Winkler never appeared in the newspaper and he had never known who his father was.


So this story is for Eliza and Mocienne (and others?) Mocienne who is still trying to proof that she is related to MJ. Question for MJ; Is it posibble that your mother saved your milk teeth in a "first teeth box"?


De verloren zoon van een miljonair
Volkskrant 04/11/10, 00:00

Jerry Winkler is de hoofdrolspeler in een modern sprookje: tot voor kort was hij een zwerver, aan de drank en drugs. Nu blijkt hij de enige zoon te zijn van een miljonair uit Bussum.

Het was in het voorjaar van 2010 in café Wildschut in Amsterdam-Zuid dat de 28-jarige Alfred Jan Jerry Winkler - die toen nog een andere achternaam had - voor het eerst van zijn leven een afbeelding van zijn vader zag. Het was niet eens een echte foto, maar een kopie van een krantenpagina uit de Volkskrant van vier jaar eerder.

Hij huilde.

Jerry had tien dagen daarvoor geëmotioneerd de krant gebeld. Er had in de herfst van 2006 een verhaal in de Volkskrant gestaan over de tumultueuze afwikkeling van de erfenis van een rijke zakenman uit Bussum, zei hij. Deze Alfred Winkler was kinderloos gestorven.

Jerry was dringend op zoek naar informatie over het stuk, zo maakte hij de Volkskrant-telefoniste duidelijk. Het was voor hem een zaak van levensbelang.

Eén ding voelde hij heel sterk: dit zou het draaipunt van zijn leven worden. Het moment dat hij afscheid nam van zijn oude bestaan. Van de straatpensions, de drugs en de drank, van zijn stiefvader, en van zijn oude achternaam. Vanaf nu heette hij Jerry Winkler. Hij was de enige zoon van de Alfred Winkler uit het artikel. Dat moest zo zijn.

Begin 2010 had Jerry zijn vader Johnnie, die hij al jaren niet meer zag, opgebeld. Diens tweede vrouw had opgenomen. 'Ik moet iets vragen', zei Jerry tegen haar. 'Is Johnnie mijn vader wel? Ik lijk in niets op hem. Dat hoor ik al mijn hele leven. Ik zie er uit als een Spanjaard, en hij als een Hollander.'

'Johnnie is er niet, maar hij zal je straks alles uitleggen', zei de vrouw. Later die dag belde Johnnie terug. 'Ik moet je iets vertellen,' zei hij. 'Je hebt gelijk. Ik ben je vader niet.' En hij gooide eruit wat hij al die jaren niet had willen zeggen.

Jerry was van een ander. Maar van wie, dat wist hij niet.

Jerry's moeder had nooit iemand verteld dat haar echtgenoot Johnnie onvruchtbaar was op het moment dat zij zwanger was geworden. De zwangerschap was voor Johnnie een slag in zijn gezicht, maar hij had niet doorgevraagd; zijn huwelijk was toch al broos.

Ruim drie jaar later, in 1985, gebeurde het onvermijdelijke: Jerry's ouders scheidden. Zijn vader verliet de eengezinswoning in Diemen-Zuid, waar de peuter Alfred Jan Jerry - roepnaam Jerry - samen met zijn acht jaar oudere broer Johnnie junior en zijn moeder bleef wonen.

Johnnie junior was vernoemd naar zijn vader, zo veel was duidelijk. Maar waarom was Jerry's eerste naam Alfred, vroegen de jongens haar. Ze vertelde dat ze gecharmeerd was van Alfred J. Kwak - het personage uit de musical van Herman van Veen. Dat klonk ook toen al als een onwaarschijnlijk verhaal.

Jerry en Johnnie kenden acht mooie jaren, in Diemen. Ze gingen naar school, hadden het goed en speelden uren op straat. Er was een speeltuin en een trapveldje voor de deur. Lange Frans en Baas B., die later de bekendste rappers uit Diemen zouden worden, waren hun buurjongens en voetbalvrienden.

Maar in 1990 sloeg het noodlot toe. Er werd bij hun moeder een hersentumor geconstateerd. Ze moest onder het mes, overleefde de operatie, maar kon niet meer voor de jongens zorgen. Jerry verhuisde naar zijn vader en diens nieuwe vrouw, en Johnnie junior bleef alleen achter in de woning in Diemen-Zuid.

Acht jaar later overleed zijn moeder. Jerry en Johnnie junior, die inmiddels taxichauffeur was geworden, troffen haar op een ochtend dood aan in een aanleunwoning in Diemen.
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Het boterde niet tussen de kleine Jerry en zijn vader Johnnie. Jerry liep op zijn 14de weg van huis, om er nooit meer terug te keren. Het was het begin van een lange tocht langs internaten, opvanghuizen, gastgezinnen en daklozenpensions door heel Nederland. Twaalf jaar lang was hij overal en nergens. Als door een wonder bleef hij uit de handen van de politie. Hij gebruikte, dealde en zwierf.

In 2009 brak Jerry zijn knieschijf en kon hij een half jaar geen kant op. Hij woonde bij het Leger des Heils totdat zijn broer een anti-kraakwoning voor hem regelde. Hij deed een beroepstest bij het ROC, waaruit bleek dat hij goed kon rekenen, en ook bovengemiddeld creatief was. Voorzichtig begon hij na te denken over zijn toekomst.

En nu had hij dit weer. Wie was zijn vader dan wel? Waarom was er altijd tegen hem gelogen? Waarom werd het tapijt elke keer onder zijn voeten weggetrokken? Hij had een fles whisky gekocht, een paar gram coke, en leefde in de dagen na het telefoongesprek met zijn vader in de shit.

Daarna vond hij zichzelf terug. Zo zou het nooit lukken, besefte hij. Om antwoorden te vinden, moest hij zijn hoofd op orde krijgen.
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Van het overlijden van zijn moeder wist Jerry weinig meer. In de warrige dagen na haar dood hadden Jerry en zijn broer het huis in Diemen kort en klein geslagen. Daarna hadden ze rigoureus opgeruimd. Papieren zeiden hen niets. Die hadden ze allemaal weggegooid, om te voorkomen dat de mensen die na hen kwamen ermee aan de haal zouden gaan. Het enige wat Jerry had meegenomen was een zilveren aansteker, waarop met blauwe letters Technipower stond. Dat was het bedrijf waar zijn moeder secretaresse was geweest toen hij werd geboren.

Misschien bestond het bedrijf nog, of zou een oud-medewerker hem kunnen helpen - fantaseerde hij.

En dus zat Jerry op een middag achter de computer, en tikte hij in het wilde weg zoektermen in bij Google. De combinatie 'Technipower en Jerry' leverde niets op, en de andere woordcombinaties die bij hem opkwamen evenmin.

Jerry besloot te gaan zoeken met zijn eerste naam, Alfred. Hij tikte 'Technipower en Alfred' in. En daar verscheen, boven aan de lijst van zoekresultaten, een artikel uit de Volkskrant over verwikkelingen rond de erfenis van Technipower-directeur Alfred Winkler.

Daarom had Jerry de Volkskrant gebeld. Daarom zat hij nu in café Wildschut en keek naar een verfrommelde krantenpagina, met daarop een foto van een kolosale villa in Bussum - de voormalige woning van Winkler, en tevens het oude hoofdkantoor van Technipower. Arme vogels, stond als titel boven het paginagrote artikel.

Maar daar keek Jerry niet naar. Op de krantenpagina stond ook een zwart-witfoto van een man, die op een acteur uit een jaren '50-film leek. De man zat op een boot, met een vrouw en een kind. Het was Alfred Winkler.

Knappe man, zei Jerry. Daarna zei hij tien minuten niets. Hij dacht aan de jaren dat hij op straat had geleefd. Aan de smerige pensions, waar hij had geslapen - als hij niet in het park of onder een brug overnachtte. In de pensions had hij overleefd door als eerste van al die zwervers zoals hij, uit zijn bed te komen. Zo werkte het.

Als hij voor 5 uur opstond, kon hij voor alle ranzige types uit douchen, en dan was hij ook op tijd om bij het ontbijt een paar plakjes broodbeleg mee te grissen. Deed ie dat niet, dan stond hij tussen hun viezigheid, zonder eten. Eenmaal buiten had Jerry twee doelen: drugs en drank. In een roes kon hij de rotzooi waarin hij leefde nog het beste aan.

Na tien minuten staren naar de krantenpagina barstte Jerry los. Hoe zat het dan? Leefden er nog mensen die hem meer konden vertellen over Alfred Winkler? Wat was er gebeurd? Waren er nog meer foto's van zijn vader? Had hij broers of zusters?
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Vier maanden na zijn eerste ontmoeting met de verslaggever van de krant, zat Jerry weer in café Wildschut. Hij was in tophumeur. Hij had een shirt met korte mouwen aan zodat iedereen zijn indrukwekkende verzameling tatoeages kon zien. Kijk maar naar me Wildschut, dacht hij. Kijk maar naar me, nette mensen. Ze moesten eens weten wat er speelde. Mocht hij ook een keer?

Maar voordat hij pret zou gaan maken met de blonde stoot die voor hem op weg was naar het café, moest Jerry iets afhandelen. Hij moest en zou laten zien dat zijn voorgevoel juist was geweest. In zijn tas had hij een document van het Academisch Ziekenhuis in Leiden, dat hij kort daarvoor had opgehaald bij het advocatenkantoor Vink & Partners, recht tegenover het Rijksmuseum.

Het was een verwantschapsrapport van het Forensisch Laboratorium voor DNA-onderzoek, van 2 augustus 2010, met de volgende conclusie:

'Op grond van de 17 zogenaamde autosomale DNA-kenmerken is het meer dan 1 miljoen keer waarschijnlijker dat AK82 het biologisch kind is van AW36, dan van een willekeurige andere man. Anders gezegd, het is voor meer dan 99,9999% zeker dat dhr. A. F. Winkler, geb. datum: 27-7-1936, de biologische vader is van Alfred Jan Jerry, geb. datum: 4-7-1982'
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Jerry had in zijn zoektocht naar zijn vader iedereen benaderd die hem iets zou kunnen vertellen over zijn vader. Ook de beste vriendin van zijn moeder, maar zelfs zij kon hem geen duidelijkheid verschaffen. Nee, zijn moeder had haar nooit verteld van een affaire met haar baas. En ze wist ook niet dat Jerry's vader Johnnie onvruchtbaar was.

Ook had Jerry gesproken met de personen die vier jaar daarvoor de publiciteit hadden gezocht over de nalatenschap van zijn vader. Hij had de stiefdochter van Winkler gezien (zie kader onder op deze pagina), en de mensen die haar hadden proberen te helpen om haar geschiedenis met Alfred Winkler boven tafel te krijgen.

Hij wist nu veel meer, maar hij was er nog niet. Daarom had hij op een goede dag aangebeld bij het advocatenkantoor Vink & Partners, dat huisde in een grote kantoorvilla aan het Museumplein in Amsterdam. Daar werkten de fiscale en juridische adviseurs van de stichtingen waaraan zijn vader miljoenen had nagelaten, wist hij. Hij had eerst een uur om de hoek gezeten, om moed te verzamelen, en toen hij zich sterk genoeg voelde, had hij aangebeld.

In de ontvangstruimte van het monumentale pand had hij tegen de secretaresse gezegd dat hij Klaus Vink wilde spreken, de naamgever van het kantoor. Vink had hem kort te woord gestaan, en zijn telefoonnummer gevraagd.

Een week later werd hij gebeld, en was hij teruggegaan naar het kantoor. Daar had hij in een gesprek met Klaus Vink zijn geschiedenis uit de doeken gedaan. En vertelde hij wie hij dacht te zijn. Jerry had ook een jeugdfoto van Alfred Winkler laten zien.

Vink had nog nooit zo'n verhaal gehoord. Maar ongeloofwaardig vond hij het niet. En wat leek Jerry op de jonge Alfred op de foto. Dus besloot hij, in overleg met zijn kantoorgenoten die de erfenisstichting vertegenwoordigden, een DNA-test aan te vragen.
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Sindsdien leeft Jerry in de omgekeerde wereld. Hij mag van Klaus Vink op een appartement passen en mee naar de skybox in de Arena, waar de advocaat voorzitter is van de Ajax Business Club. En hij is in gesprek over hoe het verder moet met de erfenis. Hij verwacht dat hij uiteindelijk geld krijgt, zegt hij, maar niet nu al en niet in één keer.

En trouwens: het gaat niet om de miljoenen. Hij wilde zijn afkomst weten, en zijn biologische vader. Dat is hem gelukt. Hij is de Kruimeltje van 2010. Hij is de hoofdrolspeler in een modern sprookje.

Hij wil nog één ding kwijt. Hij weet maar al te goed dat hij in al die jaren op straat mensen pijn heeft gedaan. Ja, hij heeft verkeerde beslissingen genomen. Hij heeft gelogen, hij heeft bedrogen en hij heeft gehosseld. Hij wist niet wie hij was toen hij zo deed. Hij was niet echt, hij dronk en hij gebruikte.

Maar, dat is allemaal voorbij. Niet alles is goed te praten, maar met hem is het goed gekomen. Hij wil het eerlijk zeggen zodat iedereen het weet. Hij heeft respect voor iedereen die hem heeft geholpen, en begrip voor mensen die boos op hem zijn.

Hij zal goeie dingen doen met het geld van zijn vader. Iets voor daklozen, iets voor zijn familie. En hij gaat studeren, en iets voor zichzelf beginnen. Zo moet zijn vader het gewild hebben.

Laat mij het bonnetje maar betalen, zei Jerry. Ik ben de zoon van een miljonair.
DNA-match dankzij een opgegraven tand

Jerry Winkler (zie verhaal hierboven) is niet de enige die dacht dat Alfred Winkler zijn vader was. Ook zijn stiefzus Carla heeft er jaren lang rekening mee gehouden dat zij was verwekt door Winkler.

Carla werd opgevoed door Alfred Winkler, met wie haar moeder samenwoonde en op Winklers sterfbed zelfs in het huwelijk trad. Onder meer om die reden bekommerde zij zich sterk om de erfenis van de Bussumse zakenman.

Drie jaar geleden liet Carla het lichaam van Winkler, die in één ruim en goed onderhouden graf met haar moeder begraven ligt op de Algemene Begraafplaats in Bussum, opgraven. Zij wilde een DNA-test laten uitvoeren om te zien of zij de dochter was van de zakenman, en daarmee recht zou hebben op zijn miljoenenerfenis.

De opgraving - exhumatie zoals die officieel heet - leidde tot grote ophef in Bussum. Er was een speciale hoorzitting nodig en instemming van de Bussumse burgemeester voordat Carla toestemming kreeg om het graf te openen.

Begeleid door een tandarts en een officiële getuige werd de grafsteen van het graf getild, en de kist opgetakeld. Alfred Winkler was een geraamte geworden, maar wel een stijlvol geraamte. Het dure pak waarin hij was begraven zag eruit alsof het gisteren was gekocht.

Van Winkler werd een tand getrokken, waarna de kist weer werd gesloten. De tand werd naar het Academisch Ziekenhuis in Leiden gebracht, en gebruikt om daar DNA-materiaal uit te halen. Tevergeefs, voor Carla. Alfred Winkler bleek niet haar vader te zijn.

Voor Jerry was de geschiedenis met zijn stiefzuster een meer dan gelukkig toeval. Het DNA-materiaal van zijn vader lag door het onderzoek dat zij had laten uitvoeren al opgeslagen in Leiden. Hij hoefde slechts een stukje wangslijmvlies af te staan voor het verwantschapsonderzoek.

Bovendien: als zij niet was gaan graven in haar geschiedenis, dan was het verhaal van Alfred Winkler nooit in de krant verschenen en had hij nooit geweten wie zijn vader was.

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Last week over 900,000 of us sent messages and made calls to key government officials. But now we're at an impasse and have to give Iran a way out of this dilemma. The next step towards freeing Sakineh is to fund international experts to strengthen her legal defense and work with officials in Iran to resolve this shameful situation. If thousands of us donate in the next three days we can hire an elite team of advocates, keep campaigning to free Sakineh and work on behalf of others facing brutal injustice. Click on the link below to support Sakineh:

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Iran has tried everything to keep Sakineh in jail. They accused her of adultery and sentenced her to stoning despite the fact that the alleged adultery took place after her husband’s death. They sentenced her to death for the murder of her husband even though she had already been acquitted, and another man convicted and sentenced for the murder. They even arrested her son and lawyer and forced the rest of the legal team into exile. After massive international pressure, Iranian officials must be desperate for a face-saving way out of this mess..

And now, for the first time, there is dissent within Iran from Conservative forces about the treatment of Sakineh and the way her case has been handled by the Iranian government. Some are calling for her acquittal of all charges.

A team of diplomatic and legal experts could build on this dissent and work within Iran to secure Sakineh's release. Our call, 900,000 voices strong, in combination with pressure from inside Iran for Sakineh's release is the best chance we have to save Sakineh. Now is the moment to give whatever we can to end her brutal persecution:

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In the campaign against the death penalty worldwide, Sakineh's survival is an important beacon of hope. We have shown unprecedented support for her through an explosive petition, strategic ads in Iranian-allied countries and a flood of messages to world leaders generating an international outcry. Join us in this next step towards freeing Sakineh, ending stoning, and eliminating the death penalty across the globe.

With hope and determination,

Emma, Alice, Stephanie, Ricken, David, Graziela, Iain and the rest of the Avaaz team.

Tehran regime starts to split over Ashtiani death by stoning verdict
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Brazil President Elect speaks against Iran stoning
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Sarkozy threatens to suspend dialogue if Sakineh was executed.
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Canada condemns possible execution:
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UK calls for halt of execution
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US demands no execution:
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Letter of thanks: Stop Stoning International
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Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani: A life in the Balance (Amnesty International)
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It is a very well written article. I hope that a lot of people outside this board will take the effort to read it.

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I still want to be a member of the army of love. I'm on holiday know. there is a wifi point at the hotel, but tomorrow I'm at the camping and i don't know if there is a wifi point.

(I hope my post stays on the right thread right now, anytime I save my post it goes to another thread??)

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This is It ~ DVD & Blu Ray / This is it L.P.
« on: July 10, 2010, 12:02:49 PM »
I saw today the 4 lp version of TII in the shop. Somebody already opend it so I could look what was inside the cover. As far as I could see were the pictures the same as in the cd version besides the size (4x larger)

The backside of the cover was different from the lp. On the cd is written: always great to sing with my brother, on the lp is written: always great to sing with my brothers . Why is it necessary changing  brother in brothers?

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I will help you, and join the army of L.O.V.E.
a better world
freedom  
respect for animals

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At first, posing for some sunflowers

Murray ;"don't  dare to shave me for real"





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The Double Theory / Re: Whoa! Two MJ's
« on: June 12, 2010, 03:15:03 PM »
When you watch the video at 0.54 you see that both MJ's look to the right. From 0.54 till 0.56 you see that only the left MJ turns his face toward us.


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This is from her website.


Robin Alexis Honoring Michael Jackson's Soul's Journey in her Reiki Healing On Line Soul Spa
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Submitted by Robin on Sun, 05/23/2010 - 20:56.

 
 
Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson & Robin Alexis sample video, Father's Day Give-Away & Beyond the Battlefield
 
You have to be a Reiki Healing On Line Soul Spa member to read the following posts. If you are not a member of the Reiki Healing On Line Soul Spa I invite you to take advantage of the 30 day free trial to see if these spiritual services are of benefit to you. In addition to experiencing the Reiki Healing On Line Soul Spa we have continued the communications with Michael Jackson in the Soul Spa Priority Forum called, "The Reincarnation of Michael Jackson". Within that special forum topic I am also sharing the raw edit of a an upcoming possible DVD of me sharing my telepathic and clairvoyant experiences with Michael Jackson. If you are guided by your Higher Self only you are invited to join the Reiki Healing On Line Soul Spa that will honor your soul's journery, the soul journey of other Soul Spa Members from around the world and Michael Jackson's soul. So if you would like to read this link
 
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and if you would like to follow the organic flow of divine communications with Michael Jackson in a respectful spiritual manner I invite you to join the 30 day free trial of the Reiki Healing Soul Spa. Simply click the orange banner in the home banner that says "Click here for Reiki healing".
 
On June 20, 2010, which is Father's Day, I will be removing the raw edit of this Robin Alexis/Michael Jackson raw edit video. I also will be giving away a one year's subscription to my Reiki Healing On Line Soul Spa.
 
World Peace begins with your peace of mind,
 
Robin Alexis
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TMZ Articles / Re: Stevie Wonder Pays a Visit to Michael Jackson
« on: June 02, 2010, 04:21:21 AM »
He probably diddn't visit Michael when his children didd't insisted on it. He was there for his mother.

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