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TMZ Articles / Re: Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's Massive Debt ... Almost« on: July 16, 2012, 07:43:37 AM »3
TMZ Articles / Re: Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's Massive Debt ... Almost« on: July 16, 2012, 07:41:33 AM »Chicana there´s one thing that I do not understand about your attitude:>of course not. nobody, NOT ANYONE ON HERE has any idea about what went on with his money. only michael and God knows. we all have a right to be entitle to our own opinion about things, i had an opinion about michael's "debt"<<problem being part of him planning for the death hoax and someone took it and just made a long drawn out thing saying "i disagree" this and that..and they're not thinking that i'm going to respond to any of it. why keep putting me down? am i really suppose to bite my tongue? :icon_rolleyes: did i say that i don't care about researching/investigating? i said i don't have the time to do it because i'm busy with other things. i have a job, a husband, a home, a life to deal with. you think that i have time to sit on here wasting to dedicate all of my time to researching mj? the most i've ever did on research of mj is when i had a term paper when i was still studying in college about his behavior, why he was the way that he was, and what i think he would be diagnosed with. 4
TMZ Articles / Re: Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's Massive Debt ... Almost« on: July 16, 2012, 06:50:12 AM »
like i've said already, we've already cracked the code of him being alive. going back and forth about what i've seen on youtube is ridiculous. since the code HAS been cracked, it's time for people to leave it alone and stop with this "i don't think it was this" and " i don't think it was that" "i disagree", what's the point in arguing/debating with me when this stuff has already been publish for everyone to see on the interviews, news reports, ect. wait for the bam. the bam will come. if you all have been watching espirits videos and all of the other hoax related videos, they clearly say/point out that he's alive. all of this second guessing is just making it harder to focus on the fact that there will be something happening in the future. and people may even go back and say "he's not coming back..so on and so forth"..maybe not..but all we need to do is wait. making debates? c'mon...you watch youtube also, i just happen to watch it more than others because i'm a time saver. while on youtube i'm taking care of other things that i need to do. so if your quote is trying to idk contradict me in anyway, you can do better than that.
i'm not researching anymore.I came on here to share and/or discuss what I've observed mainly on youtube. my search is over. the supposed bam day is not far from now. 5
TMZ Articles / Re: Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's Massive Debt ... Almost« on: July 16, 2012, 06:36:11 AM »6
TMZ Articles / Re: Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's Massive Debt ... Almost« on: July 16, 2012, 05:52:27 AM »:WTF: "arrogance" :icon_rolleyes: so, my observations and assumptions are being viewed as being arrogant? lol. every time i say i'm thinking or i believe, it's "i disagree..".. i dislike the word (so and so), and everything just totally bashing what i'm saying. nothing that i've said you've "agreed" with. ever since i've been on this board..you've put what i said before down as far as 2pac, dave dave or whomever i was talking about.. as far as what's been going on over the years with you, that's you. i just started on this hoax thing almost 2 months ago maybe 3 (not on this website, but as far as being more interested in the hoax and watching videos). who knows, maybe over time i might have different views, but seriously, right now, i'm not because i have no time for researching.i've said this from the start. i don't have alot of time to be on here researching. if everything that i say is being viewed as being arrogant, i should make the same observation and say that your views are being arrogant as well. i'm not here to cause problems, i'm only here to talk about mj and what i've observed..and alot of people on here are doing the same..i don't see where you're telling them you disagree and this and that. when it comes to me, it's the same old same old. :icon_arrow: :argue: :argue: :argue: :argue: "Chicana, you really need to change your attitude on here.. why?" Why do I need to change my attitude on here when this is how I am. You cringed at my introduction, why? just because I said that I'm opinionated? Because I said I'm really busy and don't really have time to research?I'm not going to lie, i am. and people who don't accept that should get use to my ways, or ignore me (is that so hard?). if none you don't like what i have to say, ignore it. wow. as far as getting off of my high horses, honey, i'm not on one. i only gave my opinion about why mj was in *clears throat* debt, and the reason why he possibly faked his death. i'm not saying something is even wrong with the people who have been "researching", but to just keep going back and forth about my opinions about what has been said on youtube videos that other people have made, is ridiculous. i never asked anyone to debate with me about anything. i can't say anything freely without someone saying "i disagree" so on and so forth..seriously..a wait for a bam? i'm not just waiting on a bam.. i was wanting answers as well, and most of my answers have come in the form of youtube. people have different sources that they use, they use television, radio, newspapers, ect, why is it so wrong that i'm using my source as Youtube when this is all i have time to do when i have free time available? my profile is perfectly fine, but people seem to like to debate with me on here just because i said that i'm opinionated. let alone, you don't know how i am in real life. if you think that i'm "arrogant" or whatever on a forum, image how much worse it is outside of the internet. when people want to "debate" with me, that's what they'll get. you don't want a response back? don't say anything to me at all. >> 7
TMZ Articles / Re: Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's Massive Debt ... Almost« on: July 16, 2012, 04:48:12 AM »
:WTF: "arrogance" :icon_rolleyes: so, my observations and assumptions are being viewed as being arrogant? lol. every time i say i'm thinking or i believe, it's "i disagree..".. i dislike the word (so and so), and everything just totally bashing what i'm saying. nothing that i've said you've "agreed" with. ever since i've been on this board..you've put what i said before down as far as 2pac, dave dave or whomever i was talking about.. as far as what's been going on over the years with you, that's you. i just started on this hoax thing almost 2 months ago maybe 3 (not on this website, but as far as being more interested in the hoax and watching videos). who knows, maybe over time i might have different views, but seriously, right now, i'm not because i have no time for researching.i've said this from the start. i don't have alot of time to be on here researching. if everything that i say is being viewed as being arrogant, i should make the same observation and say that your views are being arrogant as well. i'm not here to cause problems, i'm only here to talk about mj and what i've observed..and alot of people on here are doing the same..i don't see where you're telling them you disagree and this and that. when it comes to me, it's the same old same old. :icon_arrow: :argue: :argue: :argue: :argue:
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TMZ Articles / Re: Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's Massive Debt ... Almost« on: July 16, 2012, 01:36:56 AM »
idc if you don't think it's wise to say it, if watching videos and that's all i have time to do and not sit here on the computer all day researching things on mj on news articles and such, then yes, it's perfectly fine to say this as i'm not really ever going to have time to sit here and read things when i have more important things to do. i make time to type on the forum, i make time to watch videos, and i make time to do my work and provide for my husband. we have lives. it's safe. if i have an "open-mind" and agree with everything that you all say and keep my thoughts to myself about what i've seen...it's like i'm being passive when i've sat here with my husband discussing what we've seen on these videos.
what was said on those videos DID make sense to me. i'm not biting my tongue or holding back my thoughts about it either. 9
TMZ Articles / Re: Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's Massive Debt ... Almost« on: July 16, 2012, 12:26:38 AM »
nobody knows what type of money problems michael had. he might have been in a bigger debt problem than we all think. were we working with him? did we control his bank account? did we know michael personally? bullsh*t? by far is this bullsh*t, it's only based from an opinion from observation from youtube. you can't bash someone for an thought that was originated from the making of a bunch of videos. it's not bull, when someone has an opinion about it. it is SAFE to say, that thoughts can be generated from those videos, some may go against, and others may agree because most of the things on the videos make perfect sense. that's why i believe what i believe, and basically, nobody can change what i'm feeling because we have different thoughts about what happened. there are no right and wrongs in this hoax. we're getting closer to the truth and in due time, it will all come out.
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TMZ Articles / Re: Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's Massive Debt ... Almost« on: July 15, 2012, 11:58:41 PM »as my post isn't being comprehended and is being misinterpreted I'm going to quit while ahead as its going in circles. emotion can prevent objectivity and it wasn't intended to be a negative experience. i'm done :icon_rr: 11
TMZ Articles / Re: Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's Massive Debt ... Almost« on: July 15, 2012, 11:50:16 PM »I personally do believe in the debt story. I think being in debt was one of the reasons why Michael planned this hoax. I am a HUGE fan of him and I really look up to him, he is and will always be my inspiration, but I'm not going to fool myself or be biased and say that he was in fantastic shape for the past decade. I honestly don't think he was. Health wise, I think Michael was and still is great, as we can see in This Is It. However, money wise, I think Michael was in a lot of debt and in trouble. We all saw the way Michael spent his money in the horrible "Living With Michael Jackson" documentary with Bashir. BUT, I don't blame the debt on Michael. Michael's financial managers and lawyers should have been looking after him and his money. It's not Michael's fault he got in debt because he has people to tell him whether or not he's in good enough shape to purchase expensive items like the ones in the documentary. And even though Michael likes to hire the best of the best, I don't think the people in Michael's inner circle were there to help him and make sure he's okay. The people around him were money hungry and couldn't have cared less about the state Michael was in financially - as long as they got their salary they were happy. I honestly wish with all of my heart this wasn't the case because Michael cared and still cares about everyone with all of his heart and soul. But what I really wish is that the people in his inner circle were more caring and loving like he is. :th_bravo: 12
TMZ Articles / Re: Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's Massive Debt ... Almost« on: July 15, 2012, 11:42:57 PM »Iwantyouback - i do agree on the point that some in the inner circle were up to no good. MJ has spoken many a time about misplaced trust and greed. there were definitely ppl doing underhanded things and there have been for years. :th_bravo: 13
TMZ Articles / Re: Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's Massive Debt ... Almost« on: July 15, 2012, 11:26:27 PM »sorry chicana, i disagree. completely. it seems as if every time i post something, you're saying "i disagree with this or that".. each time. the people that i have seen on those videos were his friends/associates/people that he dealt with. yes i've seen them. do i remember all of their names? no. money wasn't a reason for the hoax? why do you think the hoax came about? there's a reason. what do you believe he faked his death for? just to manipulate the media? i don't think it's just that. something else had to bring about the reason for faking his death. everything in tabloids aren't true either. he probably had a secret drug addiction problem. that guy with the last name ortega was saying that he didn't know that michael had a drug addiction problem, but he said that, he did. now. i'm under the impression (sometimes) that michael probably got a double to stand in for him sometimes in shows and his double (probably was taking drugs), which (probably) was his plan, to fake his death and make it seem as if he was on drugs and make it seem like that was the cause for his death. for what reason would he have fear for his children and his own life if there wasn't some reason as to why he'd want to move away to another place, so that he can be away from people, ect. why? "chicana, a lot of people on the net claim to know michael, hell some even claim to BE michael. there are a lot of false claims of truth out there. example, there are videos out there that claim 'proof' that MJ was a pedo!" i never said that the people from the internet say that they know michael, i was saying the people that were working with him: example: ortega (was in a video claiming that mj was on drugs,may have been that other guy, they look alike to me (i don't remember who's who..) all i know is people were saying these things on those videos that he had a drug addiction problem. ortega or whatever the guy's name is said he was unaware of it, but he had a problem with drugs. i understand that you think of it as a "healthy debate", but the debate shouldn't be with me. it's just what i'm thinking due to my observations on youtube and what people have said on their videos. i can't even rule out that everything on youtube is false either. (ex. the videos on the hoax forum in the media section- i've watched most of these videos before i joined this forum). the only thing that we all agree on, on this board is that we think or perhaps even know that mj faked his death. 14
TMZ Articles / Re: Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's Massive Debt ... Almost« on: July 15, 2012, 01:56:01 PM »sorry chicana, i disagree. completely. you're not disagreeing with me, :icon_arrow: i think you're disagreeing with the people who made these videos. because i'm not the one that posted these videos up. what i've said is strictly based on everything that i've watched. and sure, maybe he wasn't in debt (just maybe), because we don't know what was going on for sure. michael planned his "death" for a reason, you don't just plan a death for no reason at all. there has to be something behind it. there's a video on youtube with a woman who was saying that he was afraid for his life. it was because of some guy that he thinks that was in the italian mafia, mr. tounche or whatever that guy's name is. the tapings might be old, but they seem like they could be a part of the hoax, which is why the audios have been used on those hoax videos. so..why if he was so powerful..why would he say that he was feeling afraid for his life and his children?why think of wanting to get a different bank account? and i'm not the one posting that he was a drug user on videos. others have posted videos of other people that have worked with michael, or have associated with him/ whatever have said that he had a drug addiction problem. so i wouldn't put it past me. doesn't matter if it's none of our business, this are things that people have added into their videos. so i really don't know why you're pointing the finger at me, when i'm just going by what i've observed and heard. they're posting this stuff. if you have a disagreement with anyone, it should be them. i just look at these things and think MAYBE it's true, i never once said that it was true. maybe you're thinking oh.. well you should research for yourself, but i personally, don't have the time. i watch videos when i have time and i don't have much time to research. i'm working nowadays and most of my time is focused on doing just that now. so if i'm posting something up on here it's usually about something that i've seen on youtube. 15
TMZ Articles / Re: Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's Massive Debt ... Almost« on: July 15, 2012, 01:54:26 AM »for some strange reason, i think that he planned to fake his death to help pay for those debts that he had to boost his record sells because he knew that if he did that, people would buy his music.and he's planning to make a comeback to show that he's alive and well, and that he wants to continue his career and probably start making movies as well. so the dates of the comeback are probably part of the plan that he's going to come back when he believes that all of his debts have been paid off and that he gets better with his "drug addiction problem". .. :icon_arrow: i said comeback because jermaine said that he is the comeback king. and as far as the "financial" thing, i think that it's a part of it. i've looked at videos concerning his debt situation and how deeply in debt he was and how people were "trying to, or "were controlling his life". and the movies thing, yes, i know people have said that he's doing movies behind the scenes in different movies such as Megamind and Frankenweenie, and things in the movies seem really "michael-like" or whatever. what i'm saying, is instead of being behind the scenes, when he makes himself "not dead" anymore, he'll be able to freely direct films with his name as the movie director on the movies. and as far as the "drug addiction" comment, i'm talking about what i've seen on different videos. people have said that he had a drug addiction problem, how he's used different aliases to get drugs. |