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[Thank you for insight on how you feel. Just want to say I'm sorry if I've ever fallen into that category]

@ sim

Thank you for insight on how you feel. Just want to say I'm sorry if I've ever fallen into that category.

If so, it's the way it reads and not my intention. I admire and respect your work immensely :)

Putting your heart on the line and providing insight to how you feel may make others think before posting. Including me.

Snarky remarks are infectious. And many of us have made them at some point or another.

I guess love is infectious too. And if we all do our part it will radiate throughout the forum.

Sending love to you and everyone else here.

If I have ever offended anyone please accept my sincerest apologies. Those who know me on real life know that I have a huge heart and am a big softie. If that sometimes doesn't transpire I can only apologise.

You're all brilliant and I'm honoured to be in your presence. I truly mean that  :bearhug:

Well said!

Thank you, Aussie, for saying what I wanted to say, but in a much better way than I could have said it.   :th_bravo:

I hope nobody misconstrued anything I said either.  I know I am not always the best at saying in words what I feel in my heart, and I hope I didn't offend anyone with my post above.  Offending anyone or belittling anyone was not my intention (never has been), as there is enough 'elitism' already (I deal with it day to day at work  :icon_rolleyes: )

Also, I always admire the different gifts that all have on this forum.  I am not perfect, which I know perfectly well (why I believe I NEED Jesus).  Also, I know I have been 'one of those away from the forum', but that was because of things going on in my life at the time and not due to the forum.  I just needed time and couldn't be here and deal with that at the same time.  We all have battles to face...

Anyways, I think something big is coming, so I guess I am excited and passionate about what is to transpire.   :icon_bounce:   :elvis-1405:   :michael_jackson-1135:  Don't think my passion is anything but that, passion!

Thank you, Front for your post.

:bearhug:  to all!

@ bec,

I am sorry to hear about your foot.  As a rider too, I know that it can be a real downer to not be able to do something you love, especially when it is your career too.

my horses and I send healing vibes your way.

(sorry if this is off topic)

Hi family,

I know I haven't been on here in a long time, but as 2012 draws to a close, I just wanted to see how things in hoaxland are.  Forgive me for my absence: I have been dealing with a lot of things, but feeling better now.

Sending my love to you all.

At this time of unfathomable, sickening, heartbreaking news, I would like to make a small request---if I may?

I would like us all to join (virtual) hands in a vigil tomorrow --- time zones make it difficult, so please let's do it whenever we can...it doesn't matter WHEN...let's just DO it. Let's pray for those sweet, innocent children who lost their lives much, MUCH too soon, as well as their mourning families.

Having children of my own, I cannot imagine the immense piercing anguish and scorching pain that these parents are going through right now. They need our love & support -- they will feel it...somehow, through God's Grace.....they will feel it. I believe that with all my heart.

I would also like us to pray for Adam and his family. That young man obviously needed some help ---- and he didn't get it in time.

It's devastating when we live in a world where you say "I love you" to your children and you're not even sure if it will be the last time you get to say that to them.

L.O.V.E. to all of you and your children.
from your friend always,
Front xo

This is a day late, but I am praying for the children and others involved in this tragedy.  I am praying that God took those little sweet children to be with Him.

There are some very evil forces in this world, and I just wanted to say that I am still here, a part of MJ's army to fight this evil and to expose their evil deeds.  I believe there was more to this shooting than a 'lone nutcase'.  (I am praying for Adam and his family too).

I am so sad to hear that everyone is feeling down.   Maybe it is always darkest before dawn???

:bearhug: to you all.

@Tink...
Yes, junkfood is also deadly. There are many lawsuits against Frito-Lay because of the deceit of those product. It's funny that you mention Frito-Lay, because I work in a printing industy where our company print the salty snack bags for them. Below an article about their deception also.

I saw your list of prescription medication you take Tink, that literally made my hair stand up on ends, knowing your immune system is greatly affected. Yes medication is prescribed, but it's also the easy way to avoid changing anything in anybody's diet or exercise. That seems to be the magic pill for most.

People are so UN-INFORMED when it comes to prescritpion drugs. People think just because their doctor prescribes it, there is not a risk. Prescription drugs kill more people than ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS COMBINED.

Funny thing is that you don't hear all those deaths on mainstream media, or your doctor won't even tell you the total immune system failure with happen while taken synethic drugs. Our bodies are not meant to filter those prescription drugs. Along with all the food, water, & junk food that is INTENTIONALLY, put in our food & water & prescription drug supply for the ultimate result.....to kill us quicker, bankrupt us, & keep you as a repeat customer.

Why is that cancer has exploded? What is contributing to the increase in cancer? Why are children dying from cancer before the age of 10? Why doesn't anyone link it to what the elite agenda is?
Oh, I know....because people don't think a global elite, Illumanti, NWO even exits.

Woman files class action lawsuit against Frito-Lay for marketing genetically-modified snacks as 'all natural'
Thursday, January 05, 2012 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer

(NaturalNews) Many major food manufacturers have been on a kick to jump on the "all natural" bandwagon, with all sorts of processed food products now claiming to be healthy and free of artificial and synthetic ingredients. However, one such company, Frito-Lay, is the subject of a new class action lawsuit that pegs the company for illegally marketing its snack products, which are loaded with genetically-modified (GM) ingredients, as being natural.

Represented by Milberg LLP of Los Angeles, Calif., Julie Gengo of Richmond, Calif., recently filed a class action lawsuit against Frito-Lay alleging that its snack products are fraudulently labeled. Frito-Lay Sun Chips and Tostitos products are made with GM vegetable oils and potentially even GM corn, but they are both labeled as being "All Natural." But GMOs are not all-natural ingredients, and are, in fact, admittedly synthetic, which makes any product that contains them unnatural.

Named in the lawsuit are Tostitos Restaurant Style Tortilla Chips, Tostitos Bite Size Rounds Tortilla Chips, Tostitos Crispy Rounds Tortilla Chips, Tostitos Multigrain Tortilla Chips, Tostitos Scoops Tortilla Chips, Tostitos Restaurant Style with a Hint of Lime Tortilla Chips, Tostitos Artisan Recipes Fire-Roasted Chipotle Tortilla Chips, Sun Chips Original Flavored Multigrain Snacks, Sun Chips Garden Salsa Flavored Multigrain Snacks, Sun Chips French Onion Flavored Multigrain Snacks, and Sun Chips Harvest Cheddar Flavored Multigrain Snacks.

"Each of the products that are the subject of this action contain corn and vegetable oil as their main ingredients. But the corn and vegetable oils (including corn, soybean, and canola oils) are made from genetically modified plants and organisms," says the lawsuit. "Monsanto Company defines GMO on its website as food with a genetic makeup altered to exhibit traits that are not naturally theirs."

The lawsuit alleges Frito-Lay's marketing practices violate two California Business & Professions Codes, a California Consumers Legal Remedies Act, and the federal Magnuson - Moss Act, as well as constitute a breach of express warranty. It includes as a plaintiff anyone who has ever purchased a Frito-Lay product labeled "All Natural."

You can view a copy of the lawsuit here (http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/12/15/Frito.pdf).

If you are interested in joining the lawsuit, or filing one of your own, Milberg LLP invites all potential litigants to fill out a GMO claim evaluation

Learn more: Woman files class action lawsuit against Frito-Lay for marketing genetically-modified snacks as 'all natural'

Thanks for your concern about my health. The first issue, is that my immune system was compromised to begin with, starting with a brain/spinal injury. The drugs are working on to fix the signaling, and to stop the secondary and tertiary issues from Fibromyalgia that was created by all this.

I'm not going to sue anyone over junk food, because as of this week, it's all off the menu! All pizza, sausages, aged cheeses, processed foods - contributes to my Migraines. We've unlocked a major nightmare at least. Dilaudid, GONE!  :icon_e_biggrin: I'm just going to have to learn to cook fresh, like Bobka/grandma. The longer I'm without a Migraine, the more I'm on MY FEET. Who would've thought FOOD itself, could make one so ill!? Convenience foods = Migraines.  :o 4 days without a Migraine...wow! This may also may be the key to regaining my overall health.

I feel your pain, Tink, as I developed fibro and a host of many other things, including CFS and hormonal imbalances less than a month after receiving several vaccines (I regret this now).  Not sure if they are related, but it does make me wonder.  Anyways, I feel your pain, but there is help, as I am almost symptom free but it has taken about 2 years to fix myself.  The allopaths gave me nothing but anti-depressants  :icon_rolleyes:  Okay, then I spoke with some friends that are naturopaths/chiropractors.  I also did my own reading.  What really helped me is to supplement vitamin D (and I also take multivitamin and vitamin C) and/or make sure to get enough sunlight.  If I get pain again, I will try glutathione.  That and I went to vitually all whole food mostly plant based diet with some range fed organic meats, eggs, and dairy.  I am not perfect on my diet, but when I fall, my body lets me know it!  So I stay on my diet as much as possible.  I am working on eliminating all fluoride from my water supply, but this is hard as it is everywhere.  But I am working on it.  Fluoride actually causes hypothyroid as has been used previously for hyperthyroidism in the past.  And there are reports that fibromyalgia is really hypothyroidism in disguise.  I am starting to believe this.  Anyways, avoiding fluoridated water might help too.  Also, juicing has helped me out, and I am going to try a new supplement with iodine and extra b vitamins, to help boost my thyroid and I will let you know how it goes.  I also try to eat at least one apple a day with seeds (as they might have a very important vitamin, B17, which is controversial, but I haven't died from eating apple seeds yet so take it for what you will.

Pilates for core strength (within reason for your abilies/condition of course).  I am currently starting a pilates course and already notice a difference within a few weeks.

Think twice about vaccines, as I think that is how my fibro was triggered and still feel it to this day, although now I am functional again.   :woohoo2:  Natural remedies and supplements work and I am living breathing proof!  Knowledge is power!  And no anti-depressants needed for me.  I escaped the medial mafia this time.

Anyways, sorry to get off topic here (really, really sorry).  The drug and medical mafia need to be exposed for what they are both in the 'treatment' and sometimes murder of celebrities as well as murder and making the people of this world very sick.

All I can say with Front's post is  :multiplespotting: :beerchug: :penguin: :woohoo2: :icon_bounce: :affraid:

;D

Thanks Front!

And love to you all, including our director here!

(PS: Sorry it has been a long time for me to come on here: I have been going through a lot and needed some time away from the forum).  I probably will only be on sporadically due to some ongoing stuff, but you all are in my prayers and thoughts.  Blessings to you all!

Hi!

With all due respect, I respect your opinion as I used to think Michael was dead too: killed by 'them'.  I then realized that there is more evidence for him being alive than dead! I believe he did just what he said he was going to do: outthink them!

Anyways, I am not an MJ fan, and never really was.  And...my happiness/joy rests in God.

However, I will be here to support Michael and the rest of the Jacksons any way possible.  I am also here to see if I can in any way help Michael get back his good name, since he was innocent all along.

But...my happiness does not depend on his return or anything, as I am not a fan.

With love.

Edit: as far as getting people like the FBI involved, I think a few people in key places were supporting him all along and are helping him execute his plan after they realized the injustices that he endured.

If this is true (that he got a few key people in on the plan to execute it), you have to admit, it's genius.

[@ bindupbrokenhearted]

@ bindupbrokenhearted

+1 on all your posts as usual...
We should grab a coffee or something!!  beerchug

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Thanks Jono!

I always like coffee!  :lol:  You know, when Mike returns, we can all enjoy not only coffee but also Bamcakes per Front's promise (hopefully not brown and moldly Bamcakes)!!! :lol:

[Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us]

We are redeemed from the Law as the Bible says:

Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us : for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree:

http://bible.cc/galatians/3-13.htm

And...Christ became OUR sin for US as a perfect Sacrifice after He fulfilled the Law Himself, as man himself was not able to:

For he has made him, who knew no sin, to be sin for us; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/5-21.htm

I still want to (and will probably) write more regarding the MoB.

Sorry I haven't written the last few days.  I needed sleep really badly.

I have a bad feeling that the mark of the beast law will be about the RFID chip.  I think people will protest it or at least I'm hoping they will.   I think Bec has the right idea about getting ready to camp out in the woods if need be.  What country do you live in Bec ?

SimPattyK, those pictures of the Vatican are just so creepy !!!  The Vatican is just so corrupt.  People have to start realizing I hope.  What's Draco verse Sirius ?  The dragon/lizard people vs the Sirians ??????

Love

I would rather die than be chipped.  Regardless of if it is the true MoB or not.  I won't.

With love and peace

[@bindupbrokenhearted-]

@bindupbrokenhearted-

Here is where your understanding is flawed. The mark of the beast law DOES NOT=keeping the Sabbath on the right day=Saturday. What the mark of the beast law is about is people who already are worshipping on the wrong day=Sunday. The mark of the beast law is about FORCING people to worship on the wrong day=Sunday. The right day for Sabbath keeping is Saturday=God's law. Worshipping on Sunday=Man's law. You aren't the only one who keeps making this mistake in thinking that IF people worship the Sabbath (on the right day)=mark of the beast.

I hope this makes it clear for you what the info I am posting is really saying. I have said more than once that what I am posting is for the purpose of it being evidence for others to study and then MAKE up their OWN minds. I am not saying that what I am posting is the absolute right way and others way is wrong.

Also everyone who keeps going on about salvation and assuming I or anyone else who talks about the Sabbath has anything to do with each other. I never wrote about having to keep the Sabbath, being under legalistic law, having to do works to be saved, etc. The ones who are saying this have assumed in their own minds that is what we are saying. We aren't even saying anything about faith, salvation, or following the 10 commandments in order to be saved.

If someone chooses to keep the Sabbath on the correct day then that is their spiritual choice. I never said IF you don't keep the correct Sabbath day that you won't be saved. What would be wrong with keeping the Sabbath because someone wants to do it and they are not being forced to do it? Keeping the correct Sabbath day is NOT considered a work anyways. Works=doing charity work and anything else people do thinking that will be enough for God to be impressed.

I am very aware of what the meaning of being saved equals.

Once someone chooses to follow Jesus it doesn't mean that you don't have to at LEAST TRY to be more like Jesus. As much as humanly possible every day we should try to turn away from sinful behavior.

Hi Imconvinced:

No, I understood that MoB 'law' was Sunday worship.  I see my post wasn't clear before, so I apologize for that.

Honestly, this whole idea of the MoB law thing intrigued me many months ago, when I found out that SD Adventists believe this, so I did my own study on it back then.  And...so far I don't agree with them mostly because I have trouble linking this MoB 'law' with finances in comparison to say micro chipping the population which is clearly linked to finances and is actually in the global elite agendas.  I think this study is incredibly important because I think Satan will try to deceive many into thinking certain things are actually the MoB, when the people actually end up taking the true MoB anyways.  So, a good Bible study is important on this topic, and I am open to any possibilities on this, since I am not omniscient, only God is and therefore He only knows all truths.  But the truth will come out in the end, and God is in control, so I have nothing to worry about nor fear.  I pray for people not to be deceived, regardless of what the MoB ends up to be.

One thing that I said previously is that many mainstream Christians believe that the MoB is tied to some sort of electronic mind control (and I do believe this too), which forces those taking the electronic mind control to end up bowing down to the Beast System as a slave, similar to MK ultra.  That is what bothers me, but again, I can't be afraid.  The global elite have this in their plans too, from what I have heard.  Whether this is the MoB remains to be seen.

As far as Sunday worship: I still have the same question: how do you see Sunday worship being tied to finances?

FYI: I was talking about salvation and legalism since taking the MoB is synonymous with losing any ability for God's salvation according to mainstream Christianity.  It also implies that Christians today who worship on Sunday are in some form of trouble in their Salvation (I don't believe this, as Jesus fulfilled the law for us during His 33 years on Earth AND died our death so He was a Sacrifice for us: which is all that is needed for our salvation).  I really want to write more on this, but I have to get some things done so maybe I can actually get some sleep tonight.  I do have Scriptural evidence for this, but need to continue this tomorrow.  I hope you understand.

Maybe I will write (or post) something regarding a Bible study on this, but right now I need to get some things done tonight and will hopefully write more (or find a good Bible study on this) later.

With love bearhug

[The Bottom Line is about chosing who to worship. Which side are you on?]

If you take the side of the true ark, then you are on Michael's side of the Armageddon battle; if you chose to go against the true ark—or even if you take a position of neutral indifference—then you are on Lucifer's side of Armageddon (see Matthew 12:30; Luke 11:23). Nobody will be drafted to fight for the truth, it's a volunteer army; but those who don't voluntarily enlist on the side of truth, will be on the other side of the battle, whether they intend to or not. There will be only two sides. "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

For those who choose Michael's side, Michael Himself has made this amazing promise, "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne ..." (Revelation 3:21; see 22:1-5; 1 Samuel 2:7,8; Matthew 25:31; 20:21-23; Mark 10:37-40). Yes, Lucifer got kicked out of heaven for demanding a seat upon God's throne; he failed the test of faith. But for those who pass the test of faith, Jesus will give them the very same thing which Lucifer demanded, and yet never received—the privilege to sit on God's throne! This is not a message of fear, it's a message of faith, a faith that will conquer Lucifer and all who take sides with him. This is what the final battle is all about; the battle where faith and only faith will win the victory and prize: to sit with God on His throne—this is the battle, the final battle, the battle of Armageddon!!!!!!!

The Bottom Line is about chosing who to worship. Which side are you on?

http://www.endtimes-bibleprophecy.com/page19.htm

Revelation 14:9-11 ...'And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.'

The World has a choice to make, obey God or follow Satan

Now, the first clue we have to the mark of the beast is found in the above verses in Revelation 14, and the very next verse after them ... Revelation 14:12 ...'Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.' ... So why do the saints not receive the mark of the beast? Because they keep the Commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. So here we can see that it is to do with God's law and following in Jesus footsteps. Notice one important thing, it doesn't say that the saints have faith IN Jesus, but they keep the faith OF Jesus, ie. they follow Him. Many Christians believe that the law of God has been done away with. Well, God disagrees with them, because He says that the only way NOT to receive the mark of the beast is to keep His Law.

Revelation 13:16 ...'And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.' ... So those who get the mark of the beast, have it in their hand or forehead. That's interesting, because there are another group of people who receive a mark in their foreheads ... Revelation 14:1 ...'And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.' ... So in Revelation 13:16, we have the one group of people with the mark of the beast, and then the very next verse in Revelation 14:1, we have the other group of people with God's Name written in their foreheads. These two groups of people are the one's at the end time before Jesus Christ returns at the second coming. They are the saved (with God's Name) and the lost (with the mark of the beast). But will there be two groups of people at the end, walking around with actual physical stamps on their heads or hands? Or are these 'spiritual' marks?

The mark of the beast is to do with breaking God's Law and choosing to obey man over God. But is the mark of the beast specifically to do with the Sabbath Commandment? Take a look at one of the three angels messages ... Revelation 14:6-7 ...'And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.' ... This is the end time call to worship God who created heaven and earth. Look at the words that are being used, these are taken from the Sabbath Commandment ... Exodus 20:11 ...'For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.' ... This issue of the mark of the beast and the seal of God is all to do with worship. Will we choose to worship God who created the heavens and the earth, and who set a special day aside for us to spend with Him? Or will we choose to obey man, who changed the law of God, and say NO! Keep my day instead!

PLEASE REMEMBER! In Revelation 14:12 it confirms that those who don't receive the mark of the beast, are the ones who are keeping the Commandments of God and follow in Jesus' footsteps. Those who accept the gospel message, follow Jesus Christ, obey God and keep His Commandments will not receive the mark of the beast.

Now remember where the mark of the beast is? In the hand or forehead? ... Exodus 20:8 ...'Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.' ... Where do we remember? In our foreheads (minds) ... Exodus 20:9-10 ...'Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work.' ... With what do we work? Our hands. Do you see this important truth? Those who receive the mark of the beast will go against God and His law. The Sabbath Commandment specifically deals with who we worship. Will you obey God and keep His Commandment, or will you obey the Roman Catholic Church and keep her commands?

So many people are waiting for a physical mark to come along, and are ignoring the Bible truth. If the mark of the beast was an actual physical mark, then it would be easy to spot. But take a look at the following verse ... Revelation 19:20 ...'And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.' ... Those who received the mark of the beast were DECEIVED! The whole point about being deceived is that you don't know you were deceived. So the true mark of the beast is going to involve subtle deception, just like the Sabbath to Sunday issue. Most of the Christian world keep Sunday as Sabbath thinking it's ok to change God's Law. This is the subtle deception that the Papal Church of Rome have brought in. Satan doesn't want you to obey God, he wants you to obey him, and through the Roman Catholic Church he is doing just that.

The number of the beast is 666. What is God's number? ... Genesis 2:2-3 ...'And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.' ... 777!

During the very end time, when the mark of the beast is enforced by law around the world, after each person has chosen to accept and obey God, or accept and obey the Roman Catholic Church. God will then look into the hearts of everyone and consider each person to either have His name (seal) in their foreheads or the mark of the beast. Those who don't believe in Rome's enforced law, but go along with it because of economic pressure (buying and selling, Rev. 13), they will receive the mark of the beast in their right hand. Who will you choose to obey and worship?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13224723/Enforced-Sunday-Law-Coming-Soon-To-America-by-Vance-Ferrell This book goes into detail and history of the Sunday Law and the Papacy.

Revelation 13:17 "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, OR the name of the beast, OR the number of his name."

See the 3 different things mentioned in this scripture? ^^1. Mark 2. Name 3. Number.

MJonmind-Perhaps you assumed the mark of the beast was only about the sunday law but for me I had read many different opinions regarding the subject of the mark of the beast. I kept trying to hint towards other things being involved in this issue. I had already read the info/opinions on different websites regarding the RFID chip. I didn't write everything I had read. For example The Roman Catholic Church being considered The Beast System. Also many other members posted the info that I had learned about so no need for me to repeat that.

BeTheChange-I had also found that website and read through that one. When I posted references I just chose the ones that for me were the easiest at the time to understand. I am glad you took the time to research for your own understanding.

WhiteNight-You are welcome. I will be watching your videos. There is a whole pandoras box to be opened regarding the mark of the beast and yes the Vatican/Roman Catholic Church has everything to do with the mark of the beast.

Here is another hint. I do not feel comfortable saying outright what I am talking about because it can be considered very scary.

Some of the stuff I found out about within the last few days are in scripture in revelation 20:4-6, there is alot of info on the internet and youtube regarding the scripture being fulfilled.

P.S. I know I said I was done commenting on this subject but I just can't help myself sometimes...

Hi Imconvinced!

I am confused.  I am just not sure how can keeping a Saturday Sabbath have anything to do with finances since the MoB is absolutely intimately tied to finances: Revelation 13 16

What I find interesting is if you look at what 'TPTB' (I put them into quotations because they don't really have power, only God does) but anyways, what they want to do is to microchip the population and having these microchips intimately tied to finances, where only people who have an active one being able to buy and sell.  See Aaron Russo's interview about this here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1263677258215075609

Which might fit very well with the description of the MoB in Revelation

I do believe (and have Scriptural support) that God's true children will not be deceived.  Jesus said that no one has the ability to snatch any of His children out of His hand so we need not be afraid:

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

http://bible.cc/john/10-28.htm

And God's true children cannot be deceived away from Salvation which goes along with the passage above:

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

http://bible.cc/matthew/24-24.htm

So we are not to be afraid.  We are in Christ, our Tabernacle, our Shelter, our great Shepard!  With love  http://bible.cc/1_john/4-18.htm

PS: and I know we might end up disagreeing on this, so that's okay bearhug

From lilwendy:

Bottomline, what I'm trying to show you here is it has not as much to do with the rules (if she should have gone to a party or not, if she should have cleaned her room on Sundays or if Saturdays would have been fine) but more to do with her relationship with her parents.  She followed the rules set out for her because of her love for her parents and her TRUST that they had her back.

Absolutely!  Bingo!
From Jono:

And how do we keep the 10 commandments? Through FAITH! Remember, it is impossible for man to keep the meaning of the 10 commandments -> to be as perfect as God (please refer to my last posts).

Absolutely!  That is why the Gospel is literally 'good news'!  Because we are saved through Christ's righteousness through our faith and trust in Him.  Not by anything we do, as Paul says to the Romans:

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

http://bible.cc/romans/3-10.htm

But...literally, The Good News is Jesus saved us by fulfilling the Law Himself and dying OUR DEATH as a Sacrifice for us:

But God commends his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

http://bible.cc/romans/5-8.htm

And we are saved by faith not by works:

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--

http://bible.cc/ephesians/2-8.htm

Therefore, the whole idea about the MoB being keeping a Saturday Sabbath would be that I need to be saved by faith PLUS keeping the Sabbath, which is not true.  I am saved by GRACE alone--a gift from God--THE GOOD NEWS.

For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one

Romans 3:28-30

And lilwendy had it right...some want to keep a Saturday Sabbath due to love for God, which is great.  We should do it out of love for God, but not out of legalism.  http://carm.org/are-we-saved-faith-alone-or-do-we-need-works-too

Also, anyone interested should read about the Sabbath actually being the 7th millenium on earth, which is the Millenial Kingdom.  As it was said, the Law is a foreshadowing of things to come:

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Hebrews 10:1-4

With love  bearhug

[According to Strong's Concordance [3], both "in" and "on" are valid translations of the Greek word epi]

One of the most common claims against a microchip implant is that the Mark of the Beast is supposed to be "on" the hand or forehead and not "in" the hand or forehead. Do Revelation 13:16, Revelation 14:9-10, and Revelation 20:4 refer to a mark in the body or on the body?

The overwhelming majority of available translations opt for on. In fact, all modern versions use on. In contrast, all early versions from 1380 to 1833 side with in. That includes Wycliffe's Bible (1380), Tyndale's (1525), Coverdale's (1535), The Bishop's Bible (1568), The Geneva Bible (1587), the much beloved King James Version (1611), Wesley's Bible (1755), and finally Webster's Bible (1883). It wasn't until Darby's Bible in 1890 that doubt was cast against in.

It's not easy to discard the work of early Christian martyrs, or the 54 scholars that painstakingly translated the KJV by committee [1], as well as the work of the wordsmith Noah Webster, a man who single handedly wrote his own dictionary [2]. It would be foolish to write off such faith and dedication in favor of modern versions whose paid translators didn't have the foresight to see how "in" could actually make sense.

According to Strong's Concordance [3], both "in" and "on" are valid translations of the Greek word epi . Epi's many definitions include "into", "in a place", and "among", all of which perfectly describe the placement of modern day RFID implants such as Applied Digital Solution's Verichip. The Verichip is easily injected "into" the body, "in a place" of the hand or forehead, and remains "among" the flesh.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1909&t=KJV

Strong's concordance: http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=greeklexicon&isindex=epi

With love and peace  bearhug

@bindupbrokenhearted: Ah yes, I share that view. What I had in mind when I mentioned risking/embracing death was more of a "risking one's own comfort", being completely self-less, unconcerned about your own life if it came down to surviving or obeying YHWH. I do think believers should follow Yeshua's example in the case of emergencies when others' lives are at stake. Walking in the Spirit of the law takes precedence for sure.

@RK: the video sounds promising already, lol.

Thanks Melody bearhug

And @jono Thanks bearhug  and love your posts too!

@bindupbrokenhearted: In the spirit of continuing to discuss this in love, this is how I see it: to observe/remember the Sabbath is to show your loyalty to the creator, loyalty to his timetable as opposed to the timetable of the world; to have him as ultimate authority, not your house/money/job/anyone or anything else as the determinant factor to your decision-making. What does his word tell me to do VS. What does my bank account say I can do. Enter the rich man (Mark 10:17-31): he didn't murder, he didn't covet, he didn't steal, he didn't commit adultery, he didn't give false testimony, he didn't defraud anyone, he honored his parents, but he had his material possessions sitting on the throne instead of YHWH. He didn't want to give up his "richness", he saw that as a loss and walked away feeling"grieved" even though Yeshua told him that in doing so he would have treasure in heaven in its place. Treasure in heaven does not spoil; treasure on earth deteriorates (Matthew 6:19). The spiritual things are definitely more valuable. I think the Sabbath is a small test of loyalty in comparison to some of the examples in the scriptures. The characters/historical figures that showed the most loyalty in these biblical accounts would willingly risk/embrace death, give up their most precious possessions, or give up their elevated status in society in order to follow the Father's will, to avoid compromising what YHWH/Yeshua has commanded them to do.

I'm seeing this parallel with Michael's hoax (from the top of my head: Julien's auction getting rid of material possessions, leaving inheritance for your children (Proverbs 13:22), utilizing your opulence to care for his flock [charity], in the case that he is not living with his children at the moment, then he is giving up family for the sake of spreading the gospel [Matthew 19:29]). Whether he actually did or not, whether it's just for the "movie" or not, I don't know, but the information we're getting is in line with the scriptural examples. I don't know about the Sabbath though, lol. Regardless, I still see it as a test of loyalty.

@jono: the alternate perspective is that the Spirit enables you to walk like Yeshua as opposed to our own effort; no one can be perfect without him.

"perspectives", lol. Reminds me of V for Vanquish.

Hi Melody:

Like I said, I would LOVE to keep the Saturday Sabbath.  But...God knows there is more at stake in me keeping my job (which requires me to work on some Saturdays) than if I stopped working.  For example:

Matthew 12: 1-14

1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.

2But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.

3But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;

4How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

5Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

6But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

7But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

9And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:

10And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.

11And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?

12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

13Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.

14Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.

Therefore, in order to fulfill God's work, Jesus did what God the Father wanted Him to do, even if it meant to work on the Sabbath.  He questioned (rhetorically and paraphrase) that it is better that I heal a man now instead of wait for the Sabbath to be over?  (see verse 11 above).

In other words, sometimes we DO have to work on the Sabbath if it is a life and death situation.

Also, again, if you are in Christ, you are saved by Faith.  God will judge the heart, not man.  So, even though I don't necessarily like working on Saturdays, I do it BECAUSE God has asked me to, as there are lives here at stake.  If I told you I was a doctor and healed the sick, would that change anything?  Because this is the truth.  I am healing lives here.

I am not doing it for money.  God knows this in my heart.  I am absolutely loyal to my Creator.  He know this, as He knows I WOULD keep the Sabbath if I could or was able too.  But...He loves me and others so much that He realizes that some things (like healing) are best done at the present moment, Saturday or not.

With love

bearhug