Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => Updates & Posts by TS => Topic started by: TS on May 16, 2010, 09:04:21 AM
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TIAI Update #5c: DO you Think 4 your Self?
5-6. The greatest Show on earth!
Many have referred to this hoax as “the greatest show on earth”. This is because MJ had a song by this name, on the album “Ben” {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_(album)}. Also, this was a slogan used by Barnum & Bailey Circus {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringling_Bros._and_Barnum_%26_Bailey_Circus}. And many already know that this “greatest show on earth” circus was arriving at Staples, during the MJ memorial on 7-7-09 {http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/4n3aKeaHZMh/Circus+Elephants+Arrive+Staples+Center+Hours/lrNekFroB6g; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=313;
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=315}.
It is quite obvious that TMZ is playing a big part in this show—not only because they were first to announce the “death”, and also first on many other MJ news—but also because they are not afraid to give attention to the hoax (unlike the rest of the bigger media channels, especially in the USA). So Update #5c here is going to be primarily about TMZ’s role in the greatest show on earth.
Although there have been several hoax related articles on TMZ, discussed in previous updates: the latest and greatest one was the walking casket, with the “RIP” or “Still alive” poll (now at 97% alive!). “… no one saw any evidence that the casket left the building [Staples]. It fueled a grassy knoll-type theory that Jackson’s body wasn’t really inside the casket and maybe he was still alive. Finally, our spies have come clean.” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/10/michael-jackson-casket-memorial-burial-staples-center/}
Why did TMZ wait nine months to post this? Do you really think that their “spies” kept this secret for nine months? And why would the “spies” keep it secret for so long? And if it was really such a grand secret, why did they ever “come clean”?? Doesn’t it make much more sense that TMZ is playing their part in the greatest show on earth—and now that we are in the return process, it’s time to agitate the public about the hoax?
Also, it’s extremely interesting that TMZ chose the “grassy knoll” as an example of the MJ hoax theory: because the managing editor for TMZ, Harvey Levin, firmly believes that the grassy knoll theory is a TRUE theory! “And I really believe there was a gunman in the grassy knoll.” {TMZ Live, 1-28-2010, part 2, 0:37; http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/?mediaKey=0e04ee09-56b7-4ed0-b6ad-28a99781b4ba&isShareURL=true}
Michael Jackson also believes that the grassy knoll theory is true: “JFK exposed the CIA. TRUTH be told the grassy knoll” {http://www.lyrics007.com/Michael%20Jackson%20Lyrics/Tabloid%20Junkie%20Lyrics.html; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabloid_Junkie}. So I guess this means that MJ himself believes that the hoax theory is a true (grassy knoll) theory!!! :lol: :lol:
Harvey also revealed something interesting, when talking about Murray at Forest Lawn: “He [Murray] was not setting out to kill Michael Jackson at all. ... He didn’t intend to kill Michael Jackson.” {TMZ Live, 2-9-2010, 2:53; http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/?mediaKey=87528285-1804-40c5-af23-fa22a0910b93&isShareURL=true} Compare that statement with this article from TMZ, posted a few days earlier, and on the same subject of Murray visiting FL: “Murray showed up at Forest Lawn Memorial Park on Wednesday afternoon to visit the tomb of the man he may or may not have accidentally killed.” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/06/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-tomb-forest-lawn-photos/}
The last phrase there, “may not have accidentally killed”, does not mean intentionally killed; we know this because Harvey said Murray “didn’t intend to kill” MJ. So the other meaning is that Murray “may not have ... killed” MJ at all. As far as whether MJ killed himself, Harvey doesn’t believe that idea, either {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MqBbH0GxGE}. So the only option left: Murray may not have accidentally killed MJ, because maybe MJ is not dead!
Notice also the similar statement in this TMZ post, just a few days later: “... he [Murray] may or may not have been responsible for the death of Michael Jackson …” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/14/dr-conrad-murray-carnival-michael-jackson-photos-picture}
But let’s get back to the walking casket article and hoax poll: on 4-12, TMZ Live discussed the poll. Harvey said that he loved the poll results (at the time it was 55% “Still alive”). Even more interesting was Jason, the other lawyer sitting beside Harvey; he responded to the poll by saying “Absolutely, unquestionably alive.” {Part 1, 1:05; http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/?mediaKey=1dae706d-e702-4ae1-8632-c5517fbef207&isShareURL=true}
However, a few days later, when the poll had reached 86% alive—Mike said quite the opposite: “No. He’s 100% not alive. He’s 100% not alive.” {TMZ Live 4-19-2010, Part 2, 3:30; http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/?mediaKey=aa51a242-8d16-4c8b-be85-3f36909e99d3&isShareURL=true}
So which do we believe: “Absolutely, unquestionably alive”, or “100% not alive”? And the answer is—believe it or not—NEITHER! Harvey didn’t make either of these statements; and even if he did, we can’t accept everything Harvey says unquestionably. Remember the TMZ disclaimer {http://www.tmz.com/terms/#warranties}?
Actually, for months TMZ has been giving out mixed signals regarding MJ: sometimes that he is dead (such as their report on June 25, and many other items since then); and sometimes that maybe he is alive. So we should not make TMZ the main reason for believing in the hoax; instead, we should go primarily by clues from MJ and the family (see 5-10).
Nevertheless, there is value in watching TMZ: we do have clear evidence of the hoax from the Jacksons, etc, and we know that TMZ has been first on many MJ news items. So by taking what we know from other investigation, and also by filtering through TMZ mixed signals to connect the dots: we just might be able to get a pretty good view of The greatest Show on earth!
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5-7. Michael Jackson Killed Himself?
As most of you know by now, all of the TIAI updates have had significant dates incorporated into the update number and final section (1-18, 2-5, 3-9, 4-44, 5-12, 6-?, etc). April 4 (4-4) was both Easter and the MLK assassination anniversary; and the next day (4-5) was a Murray court day. However, there are not 44 days in the month of April, so what was the 4-44 about (in Update #4)? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9597#p161093}
On March 9, Update #4a was posted, and the outline had 44 sections (4-44); and that last section was titled: “Do You Still Need Even More Evidence???????-??” Nearly a month later, on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444), TMZ posted a major article in the MJ case: “Dr. Murray’s Defense - Jackson Killed Himself” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/05/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-propofol-death-cause-iv-addict-overdose-heart-legal-defense/}. This was not just another of the countless MJ articles that TMZ puts out; instead, this was a huge breaking story—which reverberated across the media, and also generated a ten-page thread in this forum, as well as much discussion in other forums, etc {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=8200}.
As TMZ frequently does, the time of posting this article was changed later (in order to keep it on the top of the home page, in this case for more than a day). However, you can easily see that the original post time was 4-4 at 4:00 AM in this thread: {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=8199}.
How many TMZ articles are posted exactly on the hour, maybe one in five or ten? And there are eleven other hours, so it could’ve been posted exactly on the hour—and yet a different hour, not 4:00. In either case: if it was a different hour (such as 6:00), or if it was not posted on an exact hour (such as 4:57), then we would not have the nice 4-4 at 4:00 (444). And notice that 444 is another one of those numbers which are multiples of 111 (see 5-3, above).
Furthermore, TIAI redirected to the TMZ home page, less than an hour before this 444 article was posted {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=8199}. TIAI had previously redirected to specific TMZ articles; but this was the very first (and only) time that TIAI redirected to the TMZ home page {see TIAI history in lilwendy’s blog, http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/www-thisisalsoit-com-to-date/}.
What is the likelihood that this was all just coincidence? And if it’s easy to see that this was intentional (not coincidence): then why can’t we understand that the rest of the 111-based numerology is intentional and planned (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998)? We can be 111% certain that this was all planned, not coincidence (see 5-9, below). Realistically speaking, there is no question whether it was planned; the only real question is who was behind the plan: MJ himself, or others (see 5-10, below)?
Actually, it is statistically far more likely that a coincidence occurred with the Update 4-44, and the TMZ 4-4 4:00 article (& TIAI redirect to TMZ, just before that article was posted). Therefore, if you can’t imagine that this 444 was just coincidence, then you shouldn’t even consider the possibility that all the 111-based hoax numerology is merely random chance.
By the way: even before that TMZ article on 4-4 4:00 (and far more after it), many were thinking that TIAI/TS works for TMZ—and perhaps is Harvey Levin himself. However, I am not Harvey, nor am I any other staff or employee at TMZ.
Back to the TMZ article itself, though: “Dr. Murray’s Defense - Jackson Killed Himself”. Is this true? Did MJ really kill himself (accidentally) with Propofol? Do you really beLIEve that story? If the whole article is true, then MJ is actually dead and there is no hoax. But if you still think that MJ is alive, then why do you believe even one single word of the article?
What we can understand from the article, is that MJ planned his own (fake) “death”; and several people did understand “killed himself” in this sense {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=8200}. But we don’t come to this conclusion primarily because of this TMZ article, or any other TMZ article for that matter; instead, we arrive at this conclusion primarily from the family—and most of all from MJ himself (Gilda, numerology timing, etc). Then, and only then, can we begin to understand what is real and what is not real in TMZ articles; we can see the hoax clues, and connect the dots.
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5-8. Zone for MJ Info
Another TMZ article, just a few days before, was titled: “Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/30/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-heart-ekg-paramedics-ucla-medical-center-wrongful-death/}. Here again, if you accept the whole story, then forget the hoax; because the whole story is discussing when MJ died (at home, or UCLA)—it’s not discussing if MJ died.
Or you can connect the dots, and recognize that “Michael was alive” is the main clue—and much of the rest is unnamed or unverified “sources”. Anything that is not readily verifiable, and especially anything that is unnamed “sources”, should go straight in the garbage.
This is part of what Michael is trying to teach us. We are not to blindly trust tabloid media—or even mainstream media. Yet, just like TMZ, at times there is reliable and valuable information in the media.
For example, video interviews; it is very easy to fabricate false information in writing, but it is much harder to fabricate a video interview with someone. And even if someone did create a fake video interview (using a double, or a computer-generated image, etc): the real person would probably hear about it, and deny that it was really him.
And there are other methods to help establish what information is reliable. Twitter has a system of verifying celebrities; so a tweet from a verified account is most likely a reliable source. The Twitter for ALLJACK5ONS was not verified (it’s a group account); but we know it is reliable, because other verified accounts in the family have confirmed it.
Another type of fairly reliable information, is when the media (accidentally) says things which actually support the conspiracy view of things. For example, when local media initially reported bombs found in the Murrah Federal building on April 19, 1995, and then later the mainstream media said that there were no other bombs—we know that both stories are not reliable {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B4vbO67Bp4}.
Common sense tells us that the initial and local reports are reliable; but then the big guys came in and controlled the mass media, and overrode those initial reliable reports. This happened also with the JFK junior assassination, and many other cases such as 911, etc {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1930&p=27572}.
The corrupt media expects us to believe that professionals found additional bombs in the Murrah building, got equipment and experts to deactivate these bombs, and then later they realized that there were no bombs in the building! Supposedly these professionals had been unable to tell the difference between a bomb and a grilled cheese sandwich—and they didn’t even catch their mistake, until they were trying to deactivate the sandwiches!!! :lol: Sorry, but I think that this story is the cheesy one; and the first reports from the local media are far more reliable.
And at this point, I should mention that as far as possible: TIAI Revealed, and the Updates, have used the above mentioned and similar types of reliable sources for information. So don’t accept something just because TIAI says it; but on the other hand, don’t fail to distinguish between reliable and unreliable sources and documentation. Rejecting reliable information isn’t much if any better (maybe worse) than accepting unreliable information. Some people believe everything (gullible), others believe nothing (stubborn); if we want the truth, we must find a balance between those extremes.
Back to TMZ: they are media, and they are playing both the bad guy (tabloid and media lies), and also the good guy (hoax hints). This is a very difficult dual role to be in, since you get attacked from all sides. Non-believers don’t like TMZ, because of the hoax-related articles and clues, etc (like the walking casket, read the comments under that TMZ article); and many hoax believers don’t like TMZ, because they say things that are not true—or perhaps even disrespectful.
But the use of “Jacko”, etc, is actually a real good indication that TMZ is not merely playing around with hoax believers, to get more hits on their website. If that were really the case (and they were not playing the part of bad media): then wouldn’t they avoid all such statements, so that none of the hoaxers would be against TMZ? If hoaxers understood more clearly the roles of TMZ, and also how to distinguish between reliable and unreliable information in the media (how to connect the dots), then they might not be quite so hard on TMZ.
Furthermore, TMZ is very clearly supporting MJ’s message—because they are not condemning Murray as guilty before the trial based on hearsay, unnamed sources, and popular public opinion! Once again, TMZ said: “... he [Murray] may or may not have been responsible [guilty] for the death of Michael Jackson …” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/14/dr-conrad-murray-carnival-michael-jackson-photos-picture}. If this doesn’t convince you that TMZ is not actually against MJ and his message, then what would convince you?
And even if you still think that TMZ is merely out to get more hits from hoaxers: you can’t deny the fact that they have a lot of information about MJ, and frequently they are the first to publish it {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?keywords=full+recap&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=titleonly&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=a&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search}. Where are they getting this information? How do they know so much in the MJ and Murray case? Who is feeding them, if not one or more in the Jackson family—at least in some cases {http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=c2a11393-45d9-4722-af9c-54b27617a799&isShareURL=true}?
Whoever it is, why don’t the Jacksons try to stop the leak of information? Or why don’t they speak out against TMZ’s reports, especially the hoax related things on TMZ? If MJ were really dead, then the walking casket is indeed highly disrespectful to MJ and the whole family. So why haven’t all of the Jacksons come forward (or at least one of the family) to protest TMZ, the walking casket, and the still alive poll, etc—just like Jermaine and La Toya did with the gay garbage {http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/03/jermaine-jackson-michael-jackson-mj-jackson-family-gay-homosexual-dr-arnie-klein-jason-pfeiffer-accusations-video/; http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/09/la-toya-jackson-arnold-klein-jason-pfeiffer-michael-jackson-video/}?
TIAI Update #5d is the final part. {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994}
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Wow thank you TS, I luv ya ;)
I go to read it.
L.O.V.E. :)
OK ... done. TS you're great as always, I like when you say " to distinguish between reliable and unreliable sources " :lol:
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On a SUNday, I thought we would see you back today TS! Thanks again for this, let's hope people will start to realize what TMZ's role in this is. I mean come on, you gotta love Uncle Harve!
Looking forward to update #5d.
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Thank You TS ! SUN is finally shining here... :lol:
Love you and Love Harve !
;)
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Thanks TS,
Loved the line....It's time to agitate the public about the hoax.
These are interesting days.
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Thank you TS !
You are so right !
If someone is not already convinced that TMZ is working for us, I don't know what can convince him. 8-)
Am I wrong or this is the first time I see you TS, to have so much fun with your :lol: :lol: :lol: !
Thanks again ! ;)
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Thanks a lot for "spoon feeding" in this update TS! ;)
If TMZ's role in this hoax isn't clear to everyone now, then it never will be... Keep watching TMZ...love ya Harve!
Wishing you a splendid SUNday TS!
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Yes, thankyou for spoon feeding me TS. And Mo I do believe you are poking fun at me ;)
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@ TS
My thoughts exactly. 8-)
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thank you T.S for explaining...its making alot of sense to me now... and probably others who have a foggy brain like me :D God Bless You :)
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TMZ dual role is crystal clear. I wonder who writes the articles, who chooses the words, the ideas... :D
Thank you for this brilliant update TS.
Thank you Harvey and all the people involved. We keep watching TMZ with hoax filters on.
God bless you.
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For example, video interviews; it is very easy to fabricate false information in writing, but it is much harder to fabricate a video interview with someone. And even if someone did create a fake video interview (using a double, or a computer-generated image, etc): the real person would probably hear about it, and deny that it was really him.
Oh, you mean like Dave Dave on Larry King Live...? ;)
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(http://www.msnpro.com/animated_sun/sun_flower.gif) Happy SUNday!
Thank you TS!
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Thanks TS, learn to read what TMZ reports, take the tracks and disposing of garbage, such as the issue of "gay trash", :lol: it is important to invent the news by writing and asking Mo on the images on computers, .. Dave Dave (¿murray?) 8-) and something I've always wondered, the Jackson family that never complains about things he writes TMZ? .. I thought I was going to spend a boring Sunday :lol:
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Thank you so much for such a detailed update
Looking forward to 5d.
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Thanyou TS - keep bringing on the sunshine
Lots of love
xxx
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16 , 2010, 2:04
2+4 = 6
2+1 = 3
1+6 = 7
6 +3 + 7 = 16 = 1+6 = 7 :lol:
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Thank you TS. We are on the same page. I'm not too proud to be spoon fed.:} One love.
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OMG OMG I'm so excited. I will start reading now. Thank you TS. Sending some SUN and L.O.V.E to you. :D
(http://i42.tinypic.com/m8g2hh.jpg)
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Thank you TS! Happy SUNday to you and all the Jacksons!
I'm looking forward to #5d :)
And I can't wait the day all of this is exposed... who you really are and all the other questions answered.
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WOW thank you so much TS :D
Who doesn't love Uncle Harvey? :lol:
HAPPY SUNday! :D :D AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY JANET! :D :D :D
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Hi everyone:
I hope this isn't a double post but...Please reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabloid_Junkie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabloid_Junkie), mentioned in TS latest post. Go to Tabloid Junkie scroll down to Composition, the last line reads #17 the songs tempo is moderate and it's metronome is 111 beats per minute. That number just keeps popping up. Take care!
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Thank you TS and thank you for hinting that you were part of the family.
Can you pls pls explain the significance of the sunflowers too. Are we supposed to follow that trail?
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here comes the sun.
The smiles returning to the faces :lol:
Thank You TS!
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(http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif) GREAT TS!!!!!! THANKS! (http://forum.thescubasite.com/love/love0033.gif)
Happy SUNday :) ;)
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sandythyme, I had not read it, thanks ;)
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Can i post something and im sorry if this has already been added.. On March 22nd TMZ LIVE Harvey told Mike whispered something to Mike about MJ viewtopic.php?f=50&t=7597#p123971. (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=7597#p123971.). 2 weeks later the story popped up on TMZ about the missing casket and whether it is a hoax or not http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/10/michael-j ... s-center/. (http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/10/michael-jackson-casket-memorial-burial-staples-center/.). I think thats a bit weird
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TS, you said that the family has never attacked TMZ, but i remember once Gevinieve tweeted smth about it TMZ itself : " Don't trust the media especially TMZ " :|
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Thanks TS for all the info it's a lot of hard work you put into your posts. I've had it with da source haha where's da source Mike? lol! Who is it???
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I am looking at the pictures of Michael and getting almost blind. He is like a sunshine, Michael is a mix piece of God and Sun. It is incredible.
I generally agree, I see the point with TMZ.
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Yeh baby!
I have always thought TMZ were playing their role in this entire plan, thank you TS for making it even more obvious! I can see how TMZ are playing a dual role and how it is really important to sort out the garbage they have in their stories from the very big hints they give us!!! :D
This bit I found very interesting:
For example, video interviews; it is very easy to fabricate false information in writing, but it is much harder to fabricate a video interview with someone. And even if someone did create a fake video interview (using a double, or a computer-generated image, etc): the real person would probably hear about it, and deny that it was really him.
mmmm...Dave Dave on LKL perhaps? he has never spoken out publicly and denied the rumours that it was MJ made up as him in that interview ;)
Thanks once again for the work you put into these Updates and also all the redirections over the months. I like your little snippets of humour in this Update too.... "....and they didn’t even catch their mistake, until they were trying to deactivate the sandwiches!!!
LOL
I hope we will get to find out one day who you REALLY are ;)
Thank you TS
xxx
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TS: "This is part of what Michael is trying to teach us. We are not to blindly trust tabloid media—or even mainstream media. Yet, just like TMZ, at times there is reliable and valuable information in the media."
So agree with you. It's important which part of the news we should get. Because the rest of it is for the sheeps who are still sleeping and buying the lies of the trash media. Michael is teaching us lots and hope we're good students. I wonder what he thinks about Believers. :D I know that he doesn't like to discriminate between the fans but I believe he thinks something about us and we would love to learn it. :) Believers need to be flattered Michael. :lol:
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(http://www.msnpro.com/animated_sun/sun_flower.gif) Happy New week!
Thank you TS!
(Sorry Puff I changed Sunday to New week so already Monday there..)
I'm still reading #5c with all my attention, but show comment about quote:
But let’s get back to the walking casket article and hoax poll: on 4-12, TMZ Live discussed the poll. Harvey said that he loved the poll results (at the time it was 55% “Still alive”). Even more interesting was Jason, the other lawyer sitting beside Harvey; he responded to the poll by saying “Absolutely, unquestionably alive.” {Part 1, 1:05; http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/?mediaKey=1 ... reURL=true (http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/?mediaKey=1dae706d-e702-4ae1-8632-c5517fbef207&isShareURL=true)}
However, a few days later, when the poll had reached 86% alive—Mike said quite the opposite: “No. He’s 100% not alive. He’s 100% not alive.” {TMZ Live 4-19-2010, Part 2, 3:30; http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/?mediaKey=a ... reURL=true (http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/?mediaKey=aa51a242-8d16-4c8b-be85-3f36909e99d3&isShareURL=true)}
So which do we believe: “Absolutely, unquestionably alive”, or “100% not alive”? And the answer is—believe it or not—NEITHER! Harvey didn’t make either of these statements; and even if he did, we can’t accept everything Harvey says unquestionably. Remember the TMZ disclaimer {http://www.tmz.com/terms/#warranties}?
The Pool results today, on my twitter post:
Michael Jackson http://bit.ly/cP5ncj (http://bit.ly/cP5ncj) Poll Results: 97%STILL ALIVE 3%RIP Total Votes:3,210,392 @HarveyLevinTMZ Going to100%? #MJALIVE LOVE!
The #5d is coming...I'm waiting...
L.O.V.E. FOR ALL BELIEVERS!
The beauty of Van Gogh - SUNFLOWERS UMBRELLA (To protect Michael...)
(http://www.artistgifts.com/images/umbrella-galleria/van-gogh-sunflowers-umbrella-500.jpg)
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Thank you so much TS! :D
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Good looking out, TS! :D
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"Back to TMZ: they are media, and they are playing both the bad guy (tabloid and media lies), and also the good guy (hoax hints). This is a very difficult dual role to be in, since you get attacked from all sides. Non-believers don’t like TMZ, because of the hoax-related articles and clues, etc (like the walking casket, read the comments under that TMZ article); and many hoax believers don’t like TMZ, because they say things that are not true—or perhaps even disrespectful."
I imagine it was like walking a tightrope for them. I'm simply amazed at the beauty, irony and humor of orchestrating TMZ's stories, and the confidence they had in Michael giving the plan and details. Sure would like to know who you are, TS, and wonder when we'll get any itty-bitty clues as to who you might be. One cryptic clue? I always enjoy your updates and redirects!! Thanks!
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Yes, thanks T Spoon.
I think I need to go back and re-read/re-watch some things.
So there's a 6?
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Yeah, who is TS? ;)
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Congratulations, TS, on yet another fine & convincing "presentation"! ;) 8-) :D
I think we have had numerous debates & discussions about the role of TMZ in this hoax [& may the Lord help anyone who does not agree that they do have a "role", as such, to play! :lol:]. Again, I'm not saying that I dispute that there must be some connection between the triangle of MJ's death hoax, TMZ & TS/TIAI.com. Merely noting that some of us continue to overwhelm/over-raw/attack [as opposed to explain or just exercising the right to self-expression!] differences of opinion between us. And just because opinions differ amongst us, it does NOT mean that we cannot/should not/must not refer to the collective whole of our "BeLIEvers" unit as "WE & US" either!!! Let's not forget or undermine the most important common ground that drew us together in the first place & the reason why we are ALL here: because we believe that there is MUCH MORE to what REALLY happened on 25 June 2009 than was made public knowledge!
Now, if someone, ANYONE would be so kind enough to explain the exact nature of & the role of TS/TIAI.com in the hoax, I would be most grateful. Before you sharpen those razor sharp claws of yours, allow me to elaborate. There was a very interesting comment in another part of this "update" #5a, by Ralu that made a profound impression on me [http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=9726&p=164186#p164186]. She alluded to the detached, impersonal [almost "cold", if you will] manner & demeanour of our 'good man' TS. By the sound of this update, it seems as if I'm not the only one it struck a chord with! :P Totally appreciate the effort though, TS :D
An 'interesting' (& yes, a tad 'alarming' too, at the same time) point to acknowledge is that ever since TIAI.com started, the highlight has been shifting slowly, but surely, towards the website & TS rather than even MJ & our OWN interpretations of his message [albeit, subconsciously!]. Of course, many of you will disagree with me here, saying that TS is the "vessel"/mediator/whatever & that we are in the business of "investigating/unmasking the truth". But is it really hard facts ALONE that drew you to the hoax??? Do think MJ, "Great hoax-master incomparable" would 'allow' us to 'uncover' it "ALL" BEFORE he is ready to do so himself? Just think for a minute-exactly how much of your time & energy is spent mulling over TS's words about the hoax, instead of trying to derive a personal meaning from MJ's message of peace & love & making an effort to simply make that change actively?!?
*NOTE: I've already read TS's "TIAI Revealed, Part 1: Who Is Behind TIAI?" [which centres around TS's need to establish that he's not a "fake"-In sum, poses just as many questions as it does answer them, by the way!], "TIAI Revealed, Part 3: Purpose of TIAI (R1 - R7)" [more about the 'purported' aim(s) of TIAI.com] & all other posts as well . But they fail to explain WHAT'S IN THIS HOAX/TIAI.COM FOR TS PERSONALLY [again, I apologise if my 'lack of decorum' offends anyone's 'sensibilities']! PLEASE spare me the "Just have more faith"/"Re-read TS's posts again"/"take a hike, if you don't see things the way we do" comments. Frankly, there's no shortage of similar responses THAT JUST DON'T HELP AT ALL! Try following your advice & try to use LOGIC here, for a change! It's both fascinating & baffling that so many of us who appear to be 'wary' of [at best, that is! ;)] NEARLY EVERYONE & EVERYTHING around us have such steadfast & COMPLETE trust in TS!!! :? I can't help but be curious about that. Almost all of TS's posts constantly remind us of the the great 'service' that he is rendering us BeLIEvers. Again, thank you very much for the painstaking & 'meticulous' efforts you've put into TIAI.com, TS. And also for being the "anchor" of 'faith' for many amongst us. I sincerely wish that you continue to inspire hope around too.
I'm aware that many of us [including TS] keep emphasising that his identity is not all that important in "the hoax". Whether or not I agree [to be honest, I've actually grown out of speculating over that now-well, it has been long enough now since he started for the 'novelty' to wear off!], I think it would REALLY be more comforting for some of us if TS were to be more specific about HIS PART in all this. I mean, is he a self-appointed 'guardian' of the hoax, ensuring that more people don't just tire of it all as time keeps ticking by? Does he think of himself as some sort of 'spokesperson' for MJ while he's "away"?? Does he truly just wish to bring a better change to the world by utilising this hoax, from the 'goodness of his heart'??? I hope you don't think is too crude of me, but there just has to be something in this for him!!! Please don't misunderstand me-I don't mean to imply that he is merely a doing a psychological number with our vulnerable hearts for fame/money/kick etc [for some weird reason, despite his ' apparent impersonality', I don't exactly get "evil vibes" off him :!:]. However, I also realise that people don't continue to pursue doing things [especially, not in the manner that TS has with TIAI.com-given his attention to 'details'!] UNLESS it means something significant to themselves. There has to be a personal meaning behind our planned conscious actions. I was under the impression that, to ALL those who follow it, "THIS" is not just about MJ's hoax death, but also more ??? personalised as well...Would any of you PLEASE help me see WHY TS is doing ALL "THIS"-explain his part??? [so that I can get my mind off him, to concentrate more fully on MJ AT THE VERY LEAST! ;) :D :lol:]. And TS, do consider giving us [OOPS-I meant, to those that think like me-however 'unhelpful' we are! :P] something ??? 'extra' that we can understand & relate to better PLEASE!!!
Peace out...
L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
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Congratulations, TS, on yet another fine & convincing "presentation"! ;) 8-) :D
I think we have had numerous debates & discussions about the role of TMZ in this hoax [& may the Lord help anyone who does not agree that they do have a "role", as such, to play! :lol:]. Again, I'm not saying that I dispute that there must be some connection between the triangle of MJ's death hoax, TMZ & TS/TIAI.com. Merely noting that some of us continue to overwhelm/over-raw/attack [as opposed to explain or just exercising the right to self-expression!] differences of opinion between us. And just because opinions differ amongst us, it does NOT mean that we cannot/should not/must not refer to the collective whole of our "BeLIEvers" unit as "WE & US" either!!! Let's not forget or undermine the most important common ground that drew us together in the first place & the reason why we are ALL here: because we believe that there is MUCH MORE to what REALLY happened on 25 June 2009 than was made public knowledge!
Now, if someone, ANYONE would be so kind enough to explain the exact nature of & the role of TS/TIAI.com in the hoax, I would be most grateful. Before you sharpen those razor sharp claws of yours, allow me to elaborate. There was a very interesting comment in another part of this "update" #5a, by Ralu that made a profound impression on me [http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=9726&p=164186#p164186]. She alluded to the detached, impersonal [almost "cold", if you will] manner & demeanour of our 'good man' TS. By the sound of this update, it seems as if I'm not the only one it struck a chord with! :P Totally appreciate the effort though, TS :D
An 'interesting' (& yes, a tad 'alarming' too, at the same time) point to acknowledge is that ever since TIAI.com started, the highlight has been shifting slowly, but surely, towards the website & TS rather than even MJ & our OWN interpretations of his message [albeit, subconsciously!]. Of course, many of you will disagree with me here, saying that TS is the "vessel"/mediator/whatever & that we are in the business of "investigating/unmasking the truth". But is it really hard facts ALONE that drew you to the hoax??? Do think MJ, "Great hoax-master incomparable" would 'allow' us to 'uncover' it "ALL" BEFORE he is ready to do so himself? Just think for a minute-exactly how much of your time & energy is spent mulling over TS's words about the hoax, instead of trying to derive a personal meaning from MJ's message of peace & love & making an effort to simply make that change actively?!?
*NOTE: I've already read TS's "TIAI Revealed, Part 1: Who Is Behind TIAI?" [which centres around TS's need to establish that he's not a "fake"-In sum, poses just as many questions as it does answer them, by the way!], "TIAI Revealed, Part 3: Purpose of TIAI (R1 - R7)" [more about the 'purported' aim(s) of TIAI.com] & all other posts as well . But they fail to explain WHAT'S IN THIS HOAX/TIAI.COM FOR TS PERSONALLY [again, I apologise if my 'lack of decorum' offends anyone's 'sensibilities']! PLEASE spare me the "Just have more faith"/"Re-read TS's posts again"/"take a hike, if you don't see things the way we do" comments. Frankly, there's no shortage of similar responses THAT JUST DON'T HELP AT ALL! Try following your advice & try to use LOGIC here, for a change! It's both fascinating & baffling that so many of us who appear to be 'wary' of [at best, that is! ;)] NEARLY EVERYONE & EVERYTHING around us have such steadfast & COMPLETE trust in TS!!! :? I can't help but be curious about that. Almost all of TS's posts constantly remind us of the the great 'service' that he is rendering us BeLIEvers. Again, thank you very much for the painstaking & 'meticulous' efforts you've put into TIAI.com, TS. And also for being the "anchor" of 'faith' for many amongst us. I sincerely wish that you continue to inspire hope around too.
I'm aware that many of us [including TS] keep emphasising that his identity is not all that important in "the hoax". Whether or not I agree [to be honest, I've actually grown out of speculating over that now-well, it has been long enough now since he started for the 'novelty' to wear off!], I think it would REALLY be more comforting for some of us if TS were to be more specific about HIS PART in all this. I mean, is he a self-appointed 'guardian' of the hoax, ensuring that more people don't just tire of it all as time keeps ticking by? Does he think of himself as some sort of 'spokesperson' for MJ while he's "away"?? Does he truly just wish to bring a better change to the world by utilising this hoax, from the 'goodness of his heart'??? I hope you don't think is too crude of me, but there just has to be something in this for him!!! Please don't misunderstand me-I don't mean to imply that he is merely a doing a psychological number with our vulnerable hearts for fame/money/kick etc [for some weird reason, despite his ' apparent impersonality', I don't exactly get "evil vibes" off him :!:]. However, I also realise that people don't continue to pursue doing things [especially, not in the manner that TS has with TIAI.com-given his attention to 'details'!] UNLESS it means something significant to themselves. There has to be a personal meaning behind our planned conscious actions. I was under the impression that, to ALL those who follow it, "THIS" is not just about MJ's hoax death, but also more ??? personalised as well...Would any of you PLEASE help me see WHY TS is doing ALL "THIS"-explain his part??? [so that I can get my mind off him, to concentrate more fully on MJ AT THE VERY LEAST! ;) :D :lol:]. And TS, do consider giving us [OOPS-I meant, to those that think like me-however 'unhelpful' we are! :P] something ??? 'extra' that we can understand & relate to better PLEASE!!!
Peace out...
L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
Er, to my knowledge, everyone on this board focuses on Michael's message and not TS..We have by no means uncovered it all, we don't know the WHOLE story!
Uh,maybe we trust him because he proves what he says? He says he and TMZ are doing what Michael wants. But I'm pretty sure we all (including me) have wondered the same as you about him- it's kind of insulting that you seem to think those who strongly believe in TIAI are emotionally-driven blind sheep because "it's Michael..!" We by no means "focus" on TIAI, we all argue as much as ever over theories.. Why do I get the feeling that if he were more all "Oh, hi guys, got some more great stuff for y'all!" you'd be saying that he's way too comfy with us and too friendly to be trustworthy..?
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Er, to my knowledge, everyone on this board focuses on Michael's message and not TS..We have by no means uncovered it all, we don't know the WHOLE story!
Uh,maybe we trust him because he proves what he says? He says he and TMZ are doing what Michael wants. But I'm pretty sure we all (including me) have wondered the same as you about him- it's kind of insulting that you seem to think those who strongly believe in TIAI are emotionally-driven blind sheep because "it's Michael..!" We by no means "focus" on TIAI, we all argue as much as ever over theories.. Why do I get the feeling that if he were more all "Oh, hi guys, got some more great stuff for y'all!" you'd be saying that he's way too comfy with us and too friendly to be trustworthy..?
Thank your for sharing your opinion. I cannot help your interpretation of what I wrote [which I did try to explain as best as I could!] or the angst that you feel towards it/me. It wasn't my intention to insult anyone's intelligence [SO NOT my style-that's entirely up to the self-appointed "hoax pundits" who frequently do that with most differences of opinion!] & I'm truly sorry that you've read it that way. I was merely expressing my own feelings here. It really doesn't bother me all that much that I'm not some "super sleuth" as such & I'm not afraid or ashamed to admit how little that I know about the whole hoax [& I don't exactly make any secret of that either! :D]. Also, while I may not agree with all that you have said, I want you to know that I appreciated hearing your thoughts [especially the last couple of lines!] :lol:
I hope we can ALL continue to be at ease enough to think & speak for ourselves :)
L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
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Eh, okay, sorry if I offended you..I hope you do know that TIAI believers are not like that.
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"Back to TMZ: they are media, and they are playing both the bad guy (tabloid and media lies), and also the good guy (hoax hints). This is a very difficult dual role to be in, since you get attacked from all sides. Non-believers don’t like TMZ, because of the hoax-related articles and clues, etc (like the walking casket, read the comments under that TMZ article); and many hoax believers don’t like TMZ, because they say things that are not true—or perhaps even disrespectful."
I imagine it was like walking a tightrope for them. I'm simply amazed at the beauty, irony and humor of orchestrating TMZ's stories, and the confidence they had in Michael giving the plan and details. Sure would like to know who you are, TS, and wonder when we'll get any itty-bitty clues as to who you might be. One cryptic clue? I always enjoy your updates and redirects!! Thanks!
"They are playing both the bad guy, and also the good guy".
From Wikipedia: "Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story."