Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Talk => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on May 15, 2010, 04:47:59 PM
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You probably might have noticed that we have a lot of new members on the board. Because most of them are new in the hoax, we get a lot of questions about things we already discussed months ago. To avoid that and to try and get the new members as up-to-date as possible, we have decided to make a seperate web page for newbies because it's hard for them to struggle through all the info, but for that we need your help. We both have like 500GB of information on our harddrives, so it's hard to determine if we have covered it all. We are asking you to comment on this thread and post the following, numbered like I will do below, so it won't get messy. We want to start making the page on Wednesday at the latest, so please try to post everything before then.
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What are the biggest clues that makes you think he is still alive? And with that I don't mean 'it's just a feeling', but real 'proof' he is alive. If you have pictures, articles or videos to support your arguments, please post them as well. Anything is appreciated, from Dave Dave to the Murray court hearings to the burial or the memorial. Whatever did the trick for you, let us know.
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Why did he do this? We know he wants to wake people up, but explain exactly why you think he did this. Come up with good stuff about all the shit he is trying to expose, recent things from the news that made you go hmmm, you name it.
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What do you believe needs to be done? How can we spread his message?
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Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.
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Post 1 (youtube) video of which you think is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues.
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Post 1 (youtube) video or video series of a well known conspiracy of which you think is the most convincing (JFK, Lady Di, 9/11, Global warming, HAARP, federal reserve, MJ himself etc.)
Please read the topic through before you post, to keep double posts to a minimum.
This page will be the first page new people and media will read, so it needs to have as much info as possible. We need to trigger the media to take a closer look at the events, and people to take a closer look at the world we live in. Even if some media outlets will use it to publish crap like the Sun did, it will at least get a lot of people to the site reading this particular page.
Thanks a lot in advance, now go to work! ;) I think it's time this army will join forces to get the truth out there and make people see we're not nuts. We all have that sunflower in our avater, now is the time to sow.
NOTE: COMMENTS THAT DON"T HAVE INFO, JUST "OH, THAT"S A GOOD IDEA" OR "I DON'T THINK IT"S A GOOD IDEA", WILL BE DELETED TO KEEP IT CLEAR. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, PLEASE EDIT YOUR POST AND DON'T POST A NEW ONE.
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so many things but the moving trees at the funeral shocked me
I have spent months here and not one minute was wasted I will have to think about all the answers yiou have asked for many thanks
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so many things but the moving trees at the funeral shocked me
I have spent months here and not one minute was wasted I will have to think about all the answers yiou have asked for many thanks
Please read what I asked... Comments like this are not helpful. Please answer ALL 6 points, numbered like I did, so we can keep a clear view. And 'moving trees' is something we can't do anything with, what trees, picture? video? More info and argumentation is needed to get that page as good as possible.
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1 How can you leak music when you are dead? Lenny Kravitz didn't do it.
2 I think he is stil pissed at Sony.. the whole thing about childabuse. Fed up with the media-lies..I think he knew he was used. And he was scared like hell.
3 Expose those leeches! oh and heal the world...we have a few years left to get it right..what did he knew?
4 I'm not a fan(atic), but everything about/around his death is "weird", the memorial, the funeral. Why did Chandler kill himself al of a sudden? what about Peter Lopez? Where did Thome go?
What about the cancelled tribute? And now the one in Rome is gonna be cancelled as well?
5 Gonna look for a video..( follows)
6>follows later on..
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1. For me it is the autopsy report. It is clearly fake.
It says MJ was bald and had a wig that lifted off.
Through out MJs career he has always reverted back to his curly hair style. I believe this is his real hair, with perhaps some weaves at the front.
Straight hair MJ was probably a wig over his natural hair.
I have two pics to clarify this point.
one is Mj with curly hair which clearly shows a bald patch on top of his head.. so no wig.
the other one is MJ 2009 which shows MJ with curly hair which is greying. MJ would not buy a grey wig... so has to be natural hair, and hence disproves that part of the autopsy report.
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3. Keep investigating
4. I got into the hoax because i began to notice these things that didnt make sense. I am not a "fan".. i was never a fanatic over Michael Jackson although i have been a lifetime admirer of his music.
Something is wrong with the picture we are being given by the media and the authorities and this is why i investigate.
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Please guys please, NUMBER your answers, or else it will be a hell of a job to get through this. And if you want to add more later, please edit your post and don't make a new one.
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Please guys please, NUMBER your answers, or else it will be a hell of a job to get through this. And if you want to add more later, please edit your post and don't make a new one.
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NOTE: COMMENTS THAT DON"T HAVE INFO, JUST "OH, THAT"S A GOOD IDEA" OR "I DON'T THINK IT"S A GOOD IDEA", WILL BE DELETED TO KEEP IT CLEAR. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, PLEASE EDIT YOUR POST AND DON'T POST A NEW ONE.
Not only here, btw!
But in ALL threads! ;)
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Question # 1
The biggest clues that Michael is alive in summation is simple: nothing to date proves that he is dead. Nothing! Period! But for those who need concrete examples I give you 3 in no particular order: There is a crypt in a mausoleum that to date, almost 1 year after his reported death, bears NO NAME. He sang about it - Take me to a place without no name. He planned it that way. [youtube:1z7ddxw4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSg0bbQM7D0&NR=1[/youtube:1z7ddxw4]
"She said, don't you worry my friend, I'll take care, Take my hand, I'll take you there... take me to a place without no name" And so my friends, so it be written...so it be done. Once a crypt has been encrypted, that is that. No rhyme or reason to change it. Circumstances will not make the finite infinite. It's over. But until then, well a body might decide, heaven can wait ;) As such, it's only a box that "allegedly entombs Michael Jackson". Get it? ok, bam. Reason 2: The stupidity in releasing the notorious "ambulance footage". No noise in the background when the paramedics were calling in for instruction. No beeps, no fumbling around, no sirens, no other radio noises, no sense of helplessness or anxiety in the medic's intonation, NOTHING. The Michael image on the stretcher appearing to be at least 10 to 15 years younger and 10 to 15 pounds heavier than what has been described by attendees at the hospital and on screen in the MOVIE made for fans, This Is It, shot a few days prior to this "untimely" passing. And then number 3 - the infamous autopsy and accompanying toxicology report (which had to be revised a few times), that is suppose to be complete yet omitted certain facts known by his dire hard fans, one being a broken leg and another, the obvious upon visual inspection, dancers' feet. I mean those are only 3 of many. Not to mention the siblings not readily knowing where the mausoleum actually is, and no one from the family or Michael's "friends" ever visiting there.
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Ans 1
To say that there are clues that point towards a hoax would be an understatement. The word PAIN in the poem which is recited in Michael Jackson's voice at the memorial suddenly changes to PAINS. Where did the xtra S come from when there is no such thing heard in the Original recording of the song "Will You Be There"?? Its NOWHERE. Not in any version of that song is the word pronounced as PAINS...You wont find it either in anyof his live performances of that song. And why would a family, forgetting all their grief try and dig out THAT one erroneous version of the song??? The answer is a HOAX.
Plus we have frequently changing versions of the song "THIS IS IT" viewtopic.php?f=18&t=8789&start=0&hilit=how+many+versions+of+a+song+can+a+dead+man+have%3F (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=8789&start=0&hilit=how+many+versions+of+a+song+can+a+dead+man+have%3F)
The Autopsy is fake. Read it here. memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=721 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=721)
The Official Slip up list viewtopic.php?f=17&t=667 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=667)
Not to mention the uncountable slip ups by the family members in the last months. Also the MYSTERIOUS REHEARSALS taht are going on involving the This Is It Dancers. What is it that they are rehearsing for that they cannot tell?? What is the secrecy all about??
Kenny Ortega's "HE"LL BE BACK" tweet. The message he wants to convey is clearer than ever.Not too mention the Dave Dave episode on Larry King Live.
Jermaine Jackson : "This is it..But This is not FINALLY it...Not the Final Curtain Call....NO"
Rebbie Jackson: "The trial will SURPRISE everyone...." Oh! She knows that already... ;)
If you want to read more, you are free to visit our Weird List thread.....Its the BIGGEST reason why we believe that the King Of Pop is alive.....
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=76 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=76)
[youtube:165vzvqu]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDnxSXyvjkQ[/youtube:165vzvqu]
[youtube:165vzvqu]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l7swXS86ow[/youtube:165vzvqu]
Ans 2.
As to why he hoaxed his death, people have different opinions here on this forum. Some believe that he wants to expose the media hypocrisy and the opportunistic journalism that has become the trend these days....which of course, creates a herd mentality among the public...While some believe that he wanted to expose the exploitation that he was subject to at the hands of his own inner circle, that could have put his life at danger. Another group also believes that there is a larger conspiracy taht is going on for decades that has been controlling the way in which EVERYTHING s presentd to the world population....A phenomenon called MIND CONTROL. It is believed that we are intentionally presented with distorted facts to prevent the truth from coming out. And theres much planning that goes into this...planning that involves cooperation from all major "World Figures" that we ever kew.......Any of the above could be a potential reason for the hoax.
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Michael Jackson's message is simple...."Avoid being judgemental and LEARN to think for yourself....Dont "ADOPT" opinions....FORM your own based on reasoning and available evidence. Thi should aply to EVERY DAMN SITUATION THAT WE FACE. The sooner we make this change, the better.
Ans 4.
Initially, I was never a Michael Jackson fan...I just knew taht theres this guy who puts on a Fedora hat and does some cool moves on stage.....I knew nothing of him..Not even about his skin disorder...But I must admit that he always had a spark..There was something about his personality, gait and appearance that would make stop longer than usual and look at him...In those days, he was more of an enigma to me.....Little did I know then that he had been an enigma all his life....What for I dunno....People often wanted him to bring down the walls that he had created around himself....But he never erected those walls. It was "that" constant crucifiction by the press and tabloids that shoved him into an obscure, impenetrable hole, impermeable to love, consideration and warmth. Those were "PAPER WALLS". People thought he wanted to "play victim" when he talked about his morbid childhood...People stamped him as a "weirdo" who was perverted and abused little kids...Its not that the people "formed" an opinion. They scarcely do that these days. People "adopted" an opinion about that man, thannks to the wholesome sensationalist crap dished out by the tabloids that sell like hot cakes.....Because people are too naive to reaise that what the press often does is that it creates a herd mentality through their opportunistic journalism....A crystal clear fact that often awaits attention from the public....in vain.
I felt really bad the day he died...I was kinda judgemental and told myself that "He bought this upon himself"....Later that week...I so wished that he'd jump out of the coffin and surprise everyone....But I watched hopelessly as the Memorial concluded and the Hearse sped away...I tried dealing with that grief for a few days but couldnt give up my wishful thinking. So I googled "Michael Jackson Hoax Death" and stumbled upon the oldMJHD site tahts crashed a few months ago. I however didnt stop following the hoax.I was an avid reader of Mjtruth's blog that was called "The Curious Case Of Micahel Jackson".....and later on when this forum ws created, I lurked around for a while and then finally registered here. And I have no qualms in saying taht I have come across sufficient evidence to believe that this is indeed the biggest hoax that the world will ever see.....And when you have an icon like Michael Jackson hoaxing his death, taht itself is reason enough for you to devote a part of you r time in explorng this hoax....And it has been an enlightening journey so far.
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MOST CONVINVCING VIDEO
[youtube:165vzvqu]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Z8mxKubnM&feature=related[/youtube:165vzvqu]
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PROOF OF MICHAEL JACKSON BEING FRAMED.
[youtube:165vzvqu]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kViGBPJummw[/youtube:165vzvqu]
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Answer on #1:
Inconsistencies, unclear investigation report, Murrey testimony, MJ's chef, no word about Prince onthe day of June 25: was Murrey performing CPR, or talking to someone for 45 min, or calling, Alvarez and Prince, or living msg to his patient around 11.45 am? Why if he started screaming for help at 10.30am, no one:chef, nanny, other securities, or children dod not call 911 RIGHT AWAY, instead 911 arrived at 12.30 pm. Where are the tapes from house in and out cameras? Family is not worry about it.
Prince who supposedly was witnessing his Father's passing, was/is the most calm and NOT grieving looking person at all time. Grieving Mother appeared at Target store doing shopping in a few days her son's death, she also appeared at Dansing with Stars show 1 month after Michael's "burial" and was happy, not shy looking mother. http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherin ... eo_1168653 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherine-jackson-reacts-to-dancing-with-the-stars-michael-jackson-tribute_video_1168653)
Jermain gives an interview making weird "mistake":
[youtube:37iy0ta9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs&feature=related[/youtube:37iy0ta9]
Death Certificate signed by LaToya instead of normally by doctor. If you watch this intevriew, there are lot's of ??????? She cannot answer on questions, that she suppose to know for sure IF Michael is dead, including how Prince feels after watching his father dying, she says, MJ was at that moment already dead, while investigation and autopcy report say Michael had pulse.
[youtube:37iy0ta9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCUHXbd3Gas&feature=related[/youtube:37iy0ta9]
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Ambulance picture
911 call
The ambulance leaving the house
Jermaine made the announcement of the death
All this is in the following vid:
[youtube:i2lrl9vx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g91YGe5ouqs[/youtube:i2lrl9vx]
Michael’s mother Shopping 3 days after de death of her beloved son, does she seems to be sad?
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:25N_AtvBxVm7CM:http://americannonsense.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/3d328_2347177.0.0.0x0.400x320.jpeg)
2.I am not sure yet why did he do this, I’m still:
40% money, clean image, change his life and rest and never come back
30% the biggest show on earth and denounce all the media garbage
30% he was threatened
3.I think we are doing a good job here, we must keep on working.
4.I want to know the truth, whatever it is. I started to doubt the day after he “died”, my first thought was: he has been missing for years, he announced a big show few months ago, his return into stage, and now is dead… how convenient is this!!, but now I think different… ;)
5.This is a very good slip-up recap:
[youtube:i2lrl9vx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31MJRv-ND9Y[/youtube:i2lrl9vx]
6.It is a series about the swine flu
[youtube:i2lrl9vx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0JqQyl09zQ[/youtube:i2lrl9vx]
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Note: This is still under construction: I will be adding links to sources, pictures, videos, etc. that support and back my beliefs. Thank you.
1) What are the biggest clues that make me think he is still alive?
1A) Ambulance picture
1B) Ben (from NPG) slip up
1C) Dave Dave on LKL
1D) Harvey Levins slip-up
1E) Liberian Girl Theme at Memorial and Funeral
1F) Name on tombstone in Thriller movie
1G) Lack of emotion from family and friends
1H) Leaked music
1I) Children being revealed to public for 1st time right before death
1J) Pepsi commercial accident being shown with nobody having a record except Michael
1K) FBI Files being released to prove innocence (the timing in regards to past events)
1L) Sunflowers
1M) Dr Murray - white or black?
1N) Lack of solid answers
2) Why did he do this? I believe he had many reasons.
2A) To bring his fans and the world on an adventure like we've never seen before. He was in to cutting edge film and I believe this is his masterpiece at work.
2B) To clear his name of all the negative gossip and allegations that plagued him for years without merit. To bring him back on top.
2C) To further his message of love,unity, and helping those in need, especially the children.
2D) To spread the message of saving our planet. It's all for L.O.V.E.
3) What do I believe needs to be done to spread his message?
3A) By choosing our words carefully when speaking to one another.
3B) By giving and supporting charities in Michael's name as a show of unity and support to his cause and helping those in need.
3C) By doing our part in spreading the real truth about Michael Jackson so that people learn who he really is instead of what the media has portrayed him to be.
3D) By holding the media and tabloids accountable for their words and actions.
3D) By doing our part in recycling and saving natural resources.
4) Why do I think it's worth spending time to investigate and what is the reason for doing so? When did I doubt his death?
4A) I started to seriously doubt his death around Christmas time. However, I noticed all of the strange events happening when they first were shown but my mind couldn't grasp the idea of a hoax. I noticed a blog on Amazon.com about Michael and it started my search as I realized I wasn't imagining the strange things surrounding his death.
4B) The reason I am investigating this is to find the truth. If all of this is one strange coincidence (and I don't believe in coincidences) and Michael is dead, then Michael and his family still need justice to prevail.
5) 1 youtube video that is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues. Just one? LOL.
6) 1 youtube video or series of a well known conspiracy that is the most convincing.
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1. The biggest clues to me are the body cleary sitting up in thelicopter, the slow moving ambulance backing out his driveway, ''Gilda'' in This is it, Prince his oldest son chewing gum during the entire memorial. 2. There could be many reasons why he faked his death. His debt he could have did this to clear his debt. Are maybe something deeper he feared for his life and he felt there was no other way. 3. We can spread hip message by cleaning up the world. Trying to make sure our Natural Wonders (ie the oceans, rain forests, animals, etc) are not destroyed.
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Answer on #1:
Inconsistencies, unclear investigation report, Murrey testimony, MJ's chef, no word about Prince onthe day of June 25: was Murrey performing CPR, or talking to someone for 45 min, or calling, Alvarez and Prince, or living msg to his patient around 11.45 am? Why if he started screaming for help at 10.30am, no one:chef, nanny, other securities, or children dod not call 911 RIGHT AWAY, instead 911 arrived at 12.30 pm. Where are the tapes from house in and out cameras? Family is not worry about it.
Prince who supposedly was witnessing his Father's passing, was/is the most calm and NOT grieving looking person at all time. Grieving Mother appeared at Target store doing shopping in a few days her son's death, she also appeared at Dansing with Stars show 1 month after Michael's "burial" and was happy, not shy looking mother. http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherin (http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherin) ... eo_1168653
Jermain gives an interview making weird "mistake":
[youtube:3j2eg93a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUMzVkreCVg[/youtube:3j2eg93a]
Death Certificate signed by LaToya instead of normally by doctor. If you watch this intevriew, there are lot's of ??????? She cannot answer on questions, that she suppose to know for sure IF Michael is dead, including how Prince feels after watching his father dying, she says, MJ was at that moment already dead, while investigation and autopcy report say Michael had pulse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCUHXbd3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCUHXbd3) ... re=related
Answer #2
Michael as a perfectionist, was not ready for 50 concerts. Was betrayed by contract. He will come back with his own biggest show, after monsters get their money.
Answer #3
Michael's msg is about LOVE to make world the better place for us and our children
Answer #4
Very informative video hoaxwise
[youtube:3j2eg93a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYuAh8IsUP8[/youtube:3j2eg93a]
Answer #5
I already posted Jermain slip up in 1st answer. Also this weird Joe jackson on larry King, he does not know where his son's body is and he said good by when Michael was "up there, in fron of everybody".
[youtube:3j2eg93a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usEN9aZ-aCg[/youtube:3j2eg93a]
Answer #6
All lawsuits are conspiracy against Michael for MONEY. :twisted:
[youtube:3j2eg93a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRrsBTljxv4&feature=related[/youtube:3j2eg93a]
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1. Biggest clues: Jackson Family lack of emotion, Dave Dave on LKL, Jermaine's "airport" slip up, the numerology in the hoax (777,666,999, etc. His will being signed 7 yrs to the day of the memorial), Paris's speech @ the memorial, Dangerous autograph, MJ dieing of cardiac arrest when Murray is a cardiologist, the Ambulance picture and Oxmen confirming its fake, Blonde woman @ Memorial, Autopsy Report, TMZ, TMZ, TMZ.
2. He's trying to expose the media. Showing how easy it is to manipulate the media and control the general publics thinking. I think he wants people to think for themselves. I think MJ's message about the environment gets lost in all of this, but when he was the everyone's attention, he can bring it up more.
3. Support MJ now and whenever he comes back.
4. I think this is important because people will learn how easily they were manipulated by the media. And hopefully the tides will turn and this will force the media to be honest, and be real journalist.
I'm investigating this cause I feel like I've let myself be manipulated by the media, and I let them do the investigating and trusted it. I've learned if you want something done, you gotta do it urself.
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[youtube:1y5vj9rf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFPBvcViqYs[/youtube:1y5vj9rf]
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1. The biggest clues for me are Dave Dave (of course), and The fact that we now know we can't trust what the media tells us. Of course, we've always had an idea of that, but ever since Brian Oxman confirmed that the ambulance picture is a fake we can be sure of it now. Also, TMZ's Harvey Levin acts very strangely whenever it comes to Michael and his stories. Everyone at TMZ seems sure he is dead, but Harvey is always "In Hawaii" whenever there is new Jackson news. Where are you REALLY going Harvey?
2. I'm sure Michael was a smart man. Raised his children right, and wasn't a government push-over. Not to believe the tabloids, and to let the government control every aspect of your life. People need to realize that they are spoon feeding us this bullshit and expect us to believe it and oblige to their every command. One problem that really affects me is the things that get into us and our homes. Swine Flu vaccinations, mass surveillance, and micro-chipping. People need to wake up to this.
3. I believe his message can be spread by teaching children what is really going on in the world, and not letting them see things that corrupt their minds. A lot of people shut off their minds whenever they hear Media Mind Control" but it's really happening. All the time. What we need to get across is that the music industry needs to stop pressuring us with bad messages. A couple of artists are standing up to this and making a change (which Michael wanted).
[youtube:1g5sujsi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwRlt1XyOg0[/youtube:1g5sujsi]
4. I spend time investigating the hoax and many other things because I want to know the truth. I know I will never get it plain and simply, but I'd rather get a glimpse of what is right than sit there and let my television tell me what is right and wrong, what is "happening", and how I should act. As I've written before, many things make me believe he is alive. Michael's family's actions are also making me doubt this is all over. No real tribute, no public goodbye. A lot of people being disrespectful near his grave. Also, The Jackson brothers visiting the WRONG FOREST LAWN is kinda self explanatory.
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[youtube:1g5sujsi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs[/youtube:1g5sujsi]
[youtube:1g5sujsi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_fkHjssP7E[/youtube:1g5sujsi]
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[youtube:1g5sujsi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMqYlnAiIUU[/youtube:1g5sujsi]
Great thread Souza. ;)
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Yes, a Forum catalgue is great idea. We can put our knowledge to good use!
Souza's request is a big one so I might edit my list if other ideas come to mind.
:D :mrgreen: :) :geek: :!: :ugeek: :arrow: :idea: 8-) ;) :D :mrgreen: :) :geek:
1.SEVEN YEARS before Michael's death, listen to Michael's 1997 HIStory Munich concert-Smooth Criminal song- lyrics starting at interval 3:13-
Dr. Murray ...heartbeats...intimidations... :D Yes, this is a plan, Michael is alive!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zlced2ZreE&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]
2. Africans toiled for years as slaves; Americans are slaves now, strangled by the yoke of debt slavery. STOP BUYING. PAY OFF your DEBT. STOP mortaging the future of your children. SHUT DOWN the Federal Reserve-BOYCOTT your Government-demand alternatives to more Debt, insist on constructive SOLUTIONS. Get your money back on the Automotive bailout, etc.
[youtube:zlolupgo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAYGWp8V9II[/youtube:zlolupgo]
Aaron Russo says it best-New World Order is controlling us via making us Debt Slaves. ALL countries need to STOP global debt. Elect people who will Shut Down Global Bankers.
STOP buying. STOP buying. STOP buying.
3.USE the MEDIA to get Michael's messages out about DEBT, NWO, Illuminati, the Pope, Religion, the Puppets and the Puppet Masters Governments, abolish Royalty, SATURATE the Media with Bilderberg information, disclose the NWO eugenic plan, disclose the NWO religous war plans, IDENTIFY and PRINT the names of politicians who are selling out their countries, insist that EVERY child be EDUCATED PROPERLY because the governments are purposely under-educating people, insist on more say on how tax dollars are spent.
STOP letting OTHER people think for you and demand that your own voice be heard, you probably have great ideas to share, the PARTICATE in your own LIFE. BECOME a force for the good by PARTICIPATING. Participate in any way you want but participate. Get your money back on the USA Car bailout and DEMAND slar electric-solar cars.
This child's school project mirrored Michael's message...it so easy....'
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=42E2fAWM6rA (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=42E2fAWM6rA)
4. Millios of people 'felt' that the Memorial coffin was empty. Michael's 'death' piqued my curiosity so I began investigating. I found the forum and I liked that we pooled our knowledge. I learned so much from other people. Michael understood our 'human nature' and knew that we would learn best if we taught ourselves. I'm still here because we/our planet are worth the time and trouble. We have learned enough now to move on to the next step and put our knowledge to good use. We ARE the change.
5.The Jonel Star series.
[youtube:zlolupgo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g91YGe5ouqs[/youtube:zlolupgo]
6. Zeitgeist series.
[youtube:zlolupgo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ[/youtube:zlolupgo]
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biggest clues for me would be Dave Dave... the colour yellow everywhere (return)..TS. The fake money..and TII movie..the whole BAM clip
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I think he planned it long time ago, possibly just a death hoax without a return but maybe he thought later on that he needed to awaken people and so this was the best way.. I also think with that comes a whole combination of things he wanted to shed some light on like, drugs, unethical doctors, the media (things he suffered from through out his life) and also things he is passionate about like healing the world and saving the children and planet
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I think all BeLIEvers first need to show they understand the message. I feel when MJ returns the message will spread, but we need to understand it and believe in it for him to come back to us.
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I think its worth it because it teaches us not to believe everything we read, if you have a doubt about anything, DO think for yourself and investigate it further. I could say I doubted it the moment TMZ reported, because they were reporting it LOL.. I just laughed but when it was on the news I kinda let it go because after 3 or so days. I became a beLIEver in December when my sister told me about her friends that believe and they would always post videos on her FB so I decided to take a look and I saw Dave Dave LOL
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[youtube:4104f4jl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ASmL-EWJE&playnext_from=TL&videos=kNuacdVnO8A[/youtube:4104f4jl]
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dont really know any...
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Item # 2 - THE WHYS (My 2nd theory which I tend to lean towards but which is more unpopular is the swine flue pandemic and the Jane Burgenmeister connection. But for this thread, I'll speak of the money, money, money, money theory)
Wow. My computer froze right after I clicked on the 0-2 contract. All of my post was dumped :evil: But I won't be defeated. I have 2 theories, this is one of them. The reason I think he did it was 2-fold, part 1 being he stood to lose $40 million as soon as he stepped one foot onto the stage at the 0-2 arena. He would have automatically been in breech of contract from the following without singing even one note. So in fact in order to fulfill all obligations to this fiasco as well as for the promoters to recoup their undertakings, Michael Jackson stood to be forced to add even more shows to the intial 10 he agreed on, plus the 40 they slipped in under his nose. He stood to be worked to death, as it seems, is exactly what they planned. Either way, worked to death or "put" to death, AEG/Sony still stood to reap benefits from it. But dead, apparently, was the more lucrative remedy.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1613725/20090611/jackson_michael.jhtml
Jun 11 2009 11:06 AM EDT 12,110
Michael Jackson Sued In Attempt To Stop London Concerts
Promoter sues for $40 million, claiming Jackson is under contract not to perform until 2010 family reunion shows.
By Gil Kaufman
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If you believe British tabloid reports, there are any number of alleged reasons why Michael Jackson's 50-date run at London's O2 Arena may or may not happen — he's too sick, too weak, he doesn't want to do that many shows. But on Wednesday, a legitimate, legal reason emerged that may force Jackson to rethink his intricately planned comeback.
As threatened last month, promoter AllGood Entertainment Inc. filed a $40 million lawsuit against Jackson claiming breach of contract and fraud in an attempt to stop Jackson from performing in London. The New Jersey-based company filed the suit in federal court in New York stating that it signed a deal with Jackson's manager, Frank DiLeo, in November 2008 that commits the King of Pop to appear at a Jackson family reunion concert in the U.S. this summer.
AllGood CEO Patrick Allocco told MTV News on Thursday morning (June 11) that the contract was for a concert that was originally scheduled to take place this July. "The date we now have on hold is July 3 in Cowboy Stadium in 2010," Allocco said, adding that the contract stipulates that Jackson cannot perform individually before the AllGood show or for three months after the July event.
"The contract was signed by DiLeo on behalf of Jackson, the Jackson 5, [sisters] Latoya and Rebbie, the whole gang," he said. The show is slated to feature Jackson's reunion with siblings Marlon, Jackie, Tito, Jermaine and Randy, as well as an appearance by younger sister Janet Jackson.
Jackson is slated to kick off his O2 engagement next month, and Allocco said the suit makes clear that the agreement signed by DiLeo predates Jackson's deal with promoter AEG Live for the London shows. "The first I heard of the AEG deal was when an associate told me about it in December," Allocco said.
Jackson, who has been rehearsing for the London shows in Los Angeles, has claimed he never personally signed the papers for the family-reunion show, and AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips has called the AllGood claims "meritless." But Allocco said, "Frank DiLeo is clearly the manager of [Michael] Jackson now, and he signed the deal on his behalf."
TMZ reported earlier this month that Jackson said he would perform at both shows.
The suit seeks $20 million in compensatory damages and $20 million in punitive damages. A spokesperson for AEG Live could not be reached for comment at press time.
Now the 0-2 contract - which is my mind, is a joke and not very well meaning for a performer of Michael Jackson's calibre. Unfortunately, my computer will not allow me to open it for some reason. But you can pull it up from Radar Online at the following link:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/exclusive-michael-jackson-signed-aeg-contract-stating-he-had-no-known-health
This contract commits Michael for life basically, allowing AEG to add as many shows as "they deem necessary". If you are able to pull it up and read it, you will understand that it was designed to rob him of every asset he owned. It made him their puppet.
Michael Jackson was and is no fool. I am of the opinion that once he read with clarity just how deeply indebted this contract, that he had signed no less, put him in Sony's trenches he made a conscious decision that the best way out was to in fact "die" some sort of death of his own choice. The after math of which would clear up any and all debts and then some. To have not done so would have surely caused both his physical and career demise.
I do feel that his decision was timed by the consequences leading up to the opening date of the 0-2 shows. They were embarking on a schedule which at the time of his going away, they were readying to pack up and move the props, etc to London. It was now or never. Do or die. I do believe that Michael was being bullied, threatened and abused by these people. I do believe he was given ultimatums. I do believe that he was afraid. And I do believe he outsmarted them, yet again. As he said of Sony once before, ...they never thought that this performer, myself would out think them....a free agent, owes them 2 singles, 1 more boxset, and he's done with them, owning HALF. Now do you think Sony was going to go for this? Right :x
[youtube:6vf19n21]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VQy5V0wIwM[/youtube:6vf19n21]
Question 3 - what needs to be done:
Boycott SONY is my number one. Until and unless they can prove to me that they aren't being deviant, then I'm of the mindset that nothing they do is to be trusted. There are already foreseen problems relative to the new CD deal. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. The other thing is to be selective about what you choose to believe. I believe that the Illuminati is real. I believe that artists of certain earning potential are groomed at early ages to subliminally progress their agendas. I do believe that once the artist becomes of the mindset that they want to be the masters of their own art forms, that they want to have a social conscious, they become outcasts and are victimized and systematically ostracized in an effort to "bring them back to their senses". When the artist becomes bigger than the company, Houston, we have a problem. :geek:
We as fans of Michael Jackson should do everything we can to perpetuate truth in reporting by the media. We should continue to investigate to ensure that the facts are there. We should continue to question, pick apart, read between the lines, and keep one step ahead of what the media tries to feed us as news worthy. Have an open mind and know that Michael Jackson would not leave his children without just cause. And for heaven's sake, give Michael the benefit of the doubt. When I look at all that has been placed in my wake as evidence, and official documentation, I am appalled at just how stupid and gullible they think the general public is, especially Michael's Jackson's army of eccentrics. :roll: There is an element out there that needs to be outed for what and who they are. They are destroying our young artists and unless we bring it to the forefront and put them on front street, they will continue their manipulation. Then, when they are finished with them, when they have given all that they can give, is when these elements will turn the other cheek and show their true colors. Michael spoke out against it. We must listen. In my mind, they almost caused him his life. They are criminals and a life to them means nothing unless its one working towards their means.
we need to stand up, speak out, INVESTIGATE, INVESTIGATE &, INVESTIGATE and further Michael's agenda, not theirs.
Question # 4 Why spend so much time investigating?
Because the truth is worth knowing. The media purposefully made Michael look like a drug addict, a pedophile, a weirdo, a has been. He was NONE of those things. Even now, in the wake of what is suppose to have been his death, when ever the occasion presents itself, they still perpetuate those ideals. I have had enough.
Michael is out of sight today because of the lies and half truths that circulated globally portraying him as something less than human, less than the icon, the genius, the compassionate human being that he was and is. The would allowed this during his reign. He left us and gave us time to mourn at first, then awaken again to the truth. He gave us the keys now we need to use them. Open the doors and seek what's hidden behind them. Look at the will. Know that Branca held onto that document after he was demanded to return Michael's personal documents. Why did he keep it? Because it would serve his advantage in the event Michael was here no more. Look at Tohme Tohme. He was also fired, but continued as he pleased and used Michael's money to finance what ever he deemed important to his cause. And he apparently was cruel to MJ. Look at Frank Delio, he orchestrated a deal that put Michael in dire straits to the tune of $40 million unknown to Michael Jackson. Look at Conrad Murray, what kind of doctor does not know how to perform cpr, and where did he come from? It seems to me that Michael had surrounded himself with people who had negative agendas from jump street. And all of these people stand to gain the most from the death of Michael Jackson, maybe even Murray. Got to find where his pot of gold will come from. Look at AEG and Kenny Ortega, partners in crime and in getting major paid. All the kings men. Then finally, look at the restrictions put upon Katherine Jackson where the will is involved. Who really stands to gain most from its execution as written? All of this points to one commonality, greed and power. Michael Jackson will never be free in life or death and he will never be safe until this pyramid is tumbled and the truth is out there in the open for all to see. Take a clue from attorney Lopez. To know too much and not speak what you know to those who can protect you can be hazardous to your health' or in his case ... deadly. Nothing to date has proven that Michael Jackson is dead, therefore, in my mind at least, he still lives. Maybe afraid, alone, and possibly in poor health, but living just the same. Until and unless some real, concrete evidence is presented to the contra, I will keep hope alive and keep investigating. By the way, when is Murray going to get concerned? Never, perhaps 8-)\
[youtube:6vf19n21]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Z7rrB8H9o[/youtube:6vf19n21]
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Post 1 (youtube) video of which you think is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues. (to be continued later)
[youtube:6vf19n21]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOCO3qsQMTg[/youtube:6vf19n21]
Say what you want, but I say it's Michael Jackson.
http://vodpod.com/watch/2921069-the-death-of-michael-jackson-we-have-a-hoax-part-32
All I can say is WOW - Joe hasn't failed me yet :lol:
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Post 1 (youtube) video or video series of a well known conspiracy of which you think is the most convincing (JFK, Lady Di, 9/11, Global warming, HAARP, federal reserve, MJ himself etc.) (to be continued later)
911 Conspiracy - Loose Change
[youtube:6vf19n21]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE[/youtube:6vf19n21]
for those of you who are still on the line, please visit a place that always keeps my hopes alive and my spirits high. It's full of compassion and love and hope. It got me through some very dark hours. I am sure it will do the same for you. http://mjawakening.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/the-greatest-show-on-earth/
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1. What sealed the deal for me when I finally said he's alive. The body being airlifted to the coroner that to me was big I had no doubts after it, the "body" was too flat and was not handled properly by the authorities everyone knows you don't handle a real body like that. The family's constant slip ups. Paris at the Grammys, Jermaine slip ups, UCLA doctor not officially saying he died to me that was also a big thing usually a doctor comes out and makes a statement, no statement no death and no Jermaine doesn't count as a doctor. K.O. slip ups/tweets, "Michael misses his fans" thanks Joe, TMZ constantly with Mike on the front page no dead person can remain in da front page that long. Universal Studios Halloween night yes I do believe we saw Michael there dude's got the same way of walking and Paris doesn't seem freaked out cus it's yep Daddy! The brothers in the car smiling after 2 days of Mike's "death" you just don't do that. Autopsy excuse me, but that was terminally ill or elderly person's autopsy there was no way he would've pulled of TDCAU routine where he looks super dude wouldn't have been able to move. The numerlogy everything has a connection you can practically google stuff up which shows us the man is very knowledgeable in various subjects he said he reads a lot now when know he does. Timeline changes and first he collapsed then he was in bed, he went to CMs room hello like 3 different scenarios. 911 calls come on. The Will no one can touch his money seriously no one. We got an endless list going on we could write a book here.
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Why did he do this? I believe he did this because he was in danger I don't know what kind of danger, but this man was threatened we do see him thin, how can you eat when you're stressed out and fearing for your life. I do think authorities have helped Michael and they have to keep the case going like yeah it's happening, now I think the danger has been dealt with so we got things looking up. This served two purposes keeping him safe and at the same time he used this to teach a lesson it gave him an opportunity to open our eyes and see how easily the media lies to us. Mike left us THIS IS IT to me it's a way to buy time, we don't know what stuff was going on but he loves his fans so much he left clues for those that got it fine for those who didn't oh well. Getting clues and Mike's way of communicating takes brains and to be willing to think for yourself and that's what he's taught us that's why we know he's alive. Michael was into his comeback I could see it, but someone or something screwed his plans over and it must have shocked him to do this and well who would enjoy hiding and having ppl think you're gone no one.
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What do you believe needs to be done?
I am not quite sure, but one thing we must do is start having love and compassion for each other we're all brothers and sisters no matter what color/race we are. Not judging people when we don't know them personally.
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Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.
For sure a comeback is not the most important what's important and why I spend time on this forum looking into things is that I want Michael's name to be cleared of all those lies. Michael deserves to return to his normal life, his children, I love seeing family man Mike! We all want the man's happiness and that includes him being happy in all aspects of life I want for him a strong woman like Liz lol!, I want him to be with his children, to do the projects he wants without being called Jacko or Wacko cus of stuff like this and false accusations we have been deprived of Michael's talent the future generations can have more Michael a real artists not the wannabes.
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Post 1 (youtube) video of which you think is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues.
will come back to this later I really can't decide for now.
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Post 1 (youtube) video or video series of a well known conspiracy of which you think is the most convincing (JFK, Lady Di, 9/11, Global warming, HAARP, federal reserve, MJ himself etc.)
JonellstarTV love em!
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1 when they move his body from the hospital to the coroner you can clearly see the form and shape of his body but what they took our of the helicopter was flat as board and didn't look like a body at all.
2 why I think the O2 concerts was being force on him and they didn't care if it kill him that why Randy P had rehired J Branca, and F Dileo to make sure that if he did died they had people on their side to do their will and MJ must have realize because it was quite obvious to me.
and as far as Dave Dave concerned I think it could have been him and people must realize MJ was human and he would do what he must to protect himself and his kids just like any parent would do and faking death means saving himself and if had to go out in different disguise to fool certain people then oh well.
there are more proof that he is alive than dead and Youtube have some very good videos
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1) There are so many reasons to believe this a death hoax, really! Dave Dave on LKL! Fake ambulance picture (old photoshopped pic, and how do you get a shot with blacked out windows?) Jermaine oops moment on radio... Airport.. Er.. Hospital! (he can barely hold back the smile) XD [youtube:2a98pum4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs[/youtube:2a98pum4]
songs that were released or leaked .. Like Xscape.. A Place with No Name (er.. A unmaked grave?? Maybe.. Haha) leaking of Lenny Kravitz and Mike song Another Day.. After death! Hmmm.. Why Another Day, the song was orriginally nearly ten years ago! Why leak it now?? Hmm Mike tellin us .. Will see him Another Day.. Maybe.. Just a thought..) TMZ.. ??? This Is It.. Grammy Award performance of Earth Song is a big one for me.. You can clearly tell that was a newly recorded version.. Words pronounced differently.. [youtube:2a98pum4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1t5ojBNLoE[/youtube:2a98pum4]
MJ left out of the In Memoriam's ! I mean, the greatest entertainer of all time!! How can MJ be forgotten from this?? o_O
2) I think the hoax is to wake people up to many facts.. The media distort the truth and hide things from us only tell us what they want us to know according to the people who control the media.. Government, secret societies etc.. To alert us of these pressences amoung governments and show us that the world is not how it is portrayed in the media! Is it much more cunning and sinister and one sided.. To alert to the conspiracies of Princess Diana, JFK, so on! That they were tartgeted and killed because they were so popular and sending messages that were not in alighnment with the messages that have been put forth to us.. (competition, rat race, dangerous neighbours etc) also how the world is veiwed ofcourse. They were killed because they were so popular and were making a difference! That is why the most popular of them all.. Michael Jackson was targeted, for the exact same reason! That is why the media pounded him and created so much bullshit, an turned everthing into a weird behaviour, to riddicule and change public oppinion. Also to alert us to 9/11 and more recently Haiti being inside jobs! The use of H.A.A.R.P scientific technology in which can control weather! To alert us all to these events and happenings so we can all make a stand, united in L.O.V.E and really change the world we live in.
3) People first have to look, people are too quick to judge, we need to find out what is really going on, we the soldiers of L.O.V.E have a hard work ahead of us.. Expect riddicule.. Although we all need to unite and understand we must L.O.V.E first and formost, L.O.V.E conquers all.. We need to spread MJs message, and we are trying, but we need him also, we need him back with us. And believe that time will come and until then we all have to spread his message of love and truth! He needs us to think for ourselves and put our egos aside and inform more people.. I feel the deep sleepers who seem impossible to alert anything too, will believe when Mike comes back to us!!
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1. For me things were very strange from the beginning, starting with Jermaine making the "death" announcement instead of hospital personnel. Then came the release of the 911 call which to me seemed very off. From there things just started snowballing with family going into the home and taking things out, security tapes missing from the home, Murray missing for days and the entire timeline of events.
One of the biggest clues, I feel, is the reaction of the family or should I say the lack of. We have seen very little emotion from anyone. I think one of the strangest things is Joe Jackson on LKL as well as the many slipups of Jermaine, Janet and LaToya.
2. I think there may be many reasons why Michael felt he had to do this. I believe he was fed up with being controlled and used by people in his inner circle. I think he had to find a way of "escaping" the people who were bleeding him dry.
Another reason was to expose the media and their one sided jounalism. For many years the media has had an agenda to bring Michael down by only reporting negative stories and rarely if ever positive ones. By pulling this off he would be able to prove that the majority of what the media feeds us is not true.
I also feel he did this to bring attention to global issues. For many years millions of people have listened to his music, but few have heard his message.
3. We need to stop being so gullible and taking things at face value. We have to start using our brains and thinking for ourselves instead of acting like robots and believing everything we are told, read, or see.
"Treat Others The Way That You Want To Be Treated", with respect, compassion, caring and a loving heart. Lend a helping hand.
Don't be judgemental. Think about what it would be like to be in the other persons shoes.
Approach everyone with a smile. It may be the only one they see all day.
Begin each day with gratitude. Be thankful for everything. Aprreciate the small things
Take pride in yourself and the planet by protecting our resources and recycling
4. I dedicate as much time as I can to reading, listening and watching anything relating to Michaels' life, "death", beliefs and concerns because I believe in Michaels' message. Although I have never met him personally I feel a connection to him and for that reason I need to find the truth, whatever that may be.
5. JonellStarTV Series
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1.What are the biggest clues that makes you think he is still alive? And with that I don't mean 'it's just a feeling', but real 'proof' he is alive. If you have pictures, articles or videos to support your arguments, please post them as well. Anything is appreciated, from Dave Dave to the Murray court hearings to the burial or the memorial. Whatever did the trick for you, let us know.
- Ambulance Picture (Looks like he did during the BAD era): http://www.dancehallareaz.com/forum/att ... ulance.jpg (http://www.dancehallareaz.com/forum/attachments/entertainment-talk/7573d1246038950-confirmed-michael-jackson-rushed-hospital-pronounce-dead-michael-jackson-ambulance.jpg)
- Lou Ferrigno (The Hulk) said that Michael loved to pull pranks and throw mannequins in ambulances to trick the press POST June 25th. There is a video but I cannot locate it at the moment.
- Randy & Marlon on Hollywood TV with a mystery person in the backseat, looking mighty happy 2 days after MJ's supposed death.
[youtube:23p7mr3c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiFT4BDR0iA[/youtube:23p7mr3c]
- Jermaine making the announcement and not a doctor or a representative from UCLA. [youtube:23p7mr3c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEwseRXgxl8[/youtube:23p7mr3c]
- Dave Dave on Larry King Live sounds awfully like Mr. Jackson and has very similar eyes too! [youtube:23p7mr3c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En5Q4syywcw[/youtube:23p7mr3c]
- Janet Jackson's constant smile on Robin Roberts interview
[youtube:23p7mr3c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-iYNY8dK9I[/youtube:23p7mr3c]
as well as her saying that Michael was a director and her saying she was in New York, when she said earlier she was in ATL ("She was on set in Atlanta when she got the call that Michael had died. She immediately returned to L.A., plunging headlong into a private family grief served up to a ravenous public." Vanity Fair article...http://www.harpersbazaar.com/magazine/f ... rview-1009 (http://www.harpersbazaar.com/magazine/feature-articles/janet-jackson-interview-1009)).
- TMZ being the first news outlet to release the news because according to Harvey Levin, they knew about this for quite some time. How would they know that MJ is dead BEFORE the hospital does? Again, I can't find the video but will if and when I find it.
- BAD era pictures @ the Memorial and the Funeral and Grammys 3-D performance. This doesn't necessarily points to him being alive but it does point to a certain video from that time period--Liberian Girl where he is behind the scenes directing it without the celebrities knowledge. And the funeral looks awfully like the video. Liberian Girl:
[youtube:23p7mr3c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3V-7DEAgdc[/youtube:23p7mr3c]
Funeral:
[youtube:23p7mr3c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8[/youtube:23p7mr3c]
- The constant used of the Number 7: I wrote a blog on this so I'll just post that: http://surrealmj.tumblr.com/post/416133551/the-number-7 (http://surrealmj.tumblr.com/post/416133551/the-number-7)
- Also, that sweet number 9:
[youtube:23p7mr3c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsiKRv8wKXk[/youtube:23p7mr3c]
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Why did he do this? We know he wants to wake people up, but explain exactly why you think he did this. Come up with good stuff about all the shit he is trying to expose, recent things from the news that made you go hmmm, you name it.
I wrote a post about this a while ago so I'll just link it: viewtopic.php?f=74&t=37 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=37)
In simple terms, I'll quote what I've been saying for awhile now. I believe it's about Awareness (Media manipulation, hidden agendas, NWO, Illuminati, http://www.thisisalsoit.com (http://www.thisisalsoit.com) etc.) + Awakening (777, Resurrection, Concept of Life After Death, It's all for love, L.O.V.E http://mjawakening.wordpress.com (http://mjawakening.wordpress.com), etc.). = Higher Consciousness (O2 Announcement Poster: http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/251 ... gen+48.png (http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/25191597/Imagen+48.png), Handwritten note on pillow: http://mjjr.net/images/content/20081112LetterA.jpg (http://mjjr.net/images/content/20081112LetterA.jpg), Another handwritten note: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=kba8ah&s=5 (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=kba8ah&s=5))
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What do you believe needs to be done? How can we spread his message?
I would say we spread OUR message of L.O.V.E. and truth by firstly, taking a look at the person in the mirror and making positive changes in ourselves and our personal lives. In This Is It, Man In The Mirror is the last song. I think it was a clue to the first step for us to do when we walked out that theater. Secondly, help others by having unconditional love for everyone, seeing the good in everybody and try to help out others as much as possible. Thirdly, question EVERYTHING and be AWARE of what they are trying to do. However, do not let that scare you. Fight FEAR with LOVE -- the deadliest weapon to fear. Be in the Army of L.O.V.E. I know people are weary of this site but if we overlook the MJ factor, this site (http://mjawakening.wordpress.com (http://mjawakening.wordpress.com)) has great missions, messages and inspiration for how to deliver this message simply.
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Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.
I started to doubt it after reading posts from MJJCommunity member, BACK. I wrote a post about it: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5167 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5167) I think some of the things that really made me believe he could very well be alive for sure was the Dave Dave LKL, Funeral and Janet on Robin Roberts interview. And I think it is worth so much of my time because this adventure has made me a better person and pushes me to think and to love. It's a challenging feat but one worth having.
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Post 1 (youtube) video of which you think is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues.
I pretty much posted all the videos in part 1.
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Post 1 (youtube) video or video series of a well known conspiracy of which you think is the most convincing (JFK, Lady Di, 9/11, Global warming, HAARP, federal reserve, MJ himself etc.)
MJ talking about the music industry, racism:
[youtube:23p7mr3c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OBUgE6EDFo[/youtube:23p7mr3c]
MJ talking about the music industry, Tommy Mottola, Sony:
[youtube:23p7mr3c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW1T1DZdWrA[/youtube:23p7mr3c]
MJ talking about Sony, Tommy Mottola, calling him a racist:
[youtube:23p7mr3c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGCZUT9DG4[/youtube:23p7mr3c]
(Please note his comment on touring and someone with a professional video camera, taping him at the end)
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the greatest show on earth at memorial
the horror night at universal
dave dave at LKL
the london speech at march
This Is It
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i think he needs to be free for all the BS for all his life and expose the NWO and the Iluminatti that have the control of the music industry.
Killer Thriller Party: THE BEST IS YET TO COME...
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i think we need to spread his message, if we talk to the world about the hoax they probably would laugh on our face, maybe not so much now... but i think that all of his songs are full of love so, if the radio station of your city doesn´t play his music maybe we can ask for this kind of music, maybe the world start to listen MJ song again... like I do... SPREAD THE L.O.V.E.!!!
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i can´t believe for the beggining tha he was dead. when i saw the ambulance picture i was like: wow! this is not MJ at all! that probably is a double! then i saw the helicopter scene that was OMG! LOL! that´s not MJ at all, that´s not even a BODY! LOL!then the memorial, the burial....wow... what a trip! I WANT TO KNOW IF HE IS OK, AND HAPPY AND FREE... THATS ALL I NEED, I DON´T NEED A COMEBACK I NEED TO KNOW THAT ALL IS LIKE HE PLANED AND HE IS OK... THAT´S WHY I´M HERE... AND FOR ALL THE FRIENDS THAT I HAVE NOW, HERE, AND ALL OVER THE WORLD!
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[youtube:1ytkmfdj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IvHYrXD1m0&playnext_from=TL&videos=r3ICQtye2t0[/youtube:1ytkmfdj]
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[youtube:1ytkmfdj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzHuifExc2g&playnext_from=TL&videos=3Z1Q1-MKh0M[/youtube:1ytkmfdj]
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1. - ambulance picture
- lack of emotion from his family and close friends
- all the inconsistencies related to ...everything
- autopsy report
- funerals
- O2 arena
- TII
2. Every day passing i do believe that Michael is in a kind of governmental protection program. I'm not sure such a program really exists in US but he had serious problems and needed a serious protection.
3. His message is already being known and now,more and more people (young or less young) know Michael better and learnt to choose the thruth amongst everything ever written or said about Michael Jackson and became more attentive to signs The Earth sends to us. I'm one of them and i have to thank you and other members of this forum and other forums for opening my eyes. And i know there are many people in a similar situation.And today all of us are fully aware of the importance of being a better and more caring man/woman and doing something for salvation of the beautiful blue planet . As for the political aspects...we are too small for such a big war !!!
4. I'm not so sure our deeper and deeper investigations could be useful for Michael and/or his plans. If such an important issue and very important people are involved, our investigations could have a negative impact on the whole action .
5. Jonellstar video series
6. Your video series
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1. What?
- Jermaine´s switch in "Smile" at the Memorial "hide every trace of gladness"
- March/05 announcement for the TII Tour -10/30/50 dates - beginning in July ( a bit short notice...)
- Annonuncement on imdb for "TII" movie (incl. release date!!) just a few days after the Memorial in July
(extremely fast for an unplanned project)
- CNN´s & TMZ´s surprisingly cheerful coverage of the events post June/25 incl. appearance of the "Neverland ghost" live on CNN while Jermaine talks to Larry King & the "Magic rise from the gurney" on the flight to the morgue, etc....
Recap: Conflicting reactions from the family - an apparent time schedule of happenings - cheerful "scripted" journalism
2. Why?
I think it´s about getting aware of media mechanisms in general and to bust out of this onesided cycle. A joint action.
For us, the "consumers" - as well as for him, the "focus of interest". The purpose is truth, justice and hopefully a new mutual ethic.
3. WE
What can we do? I think the essential point is YOU DECIDE - what you want to read / view / consum / believe.
Which source is trustworthy - which isn´t? Do you really want to recompense reports with your attention by clicking them?
Do you really believe everything because it´s on TV / mag´s / the newspapers? Or do you only believe what fits your own scheme?
I think, before we spread something, first of all it´s important to take a deep and honest look inside of ourselves and make some improvements in our own lives before we try to evangelize others.
4. When?
I signed in on the first MJHD in July last year. So "See you in July" wasn´t false at all- even if we can´t see him!
In retrospect of the last 10 months, it was a very interesting and surreal experience so far. Not alone to "discover the man
we never knew" -though I marvel more and more about the ingenuity of our Magic Mystery Man. It´s moreover a spiritual journey,
in which I´ve found out a lot about myself. And it also made me remember some of my idealistic hopes in which I so firmly believed as a child and which I had almost forgotten...
5. Sorry, there´s nothing I´d recommend without stint
6. Ditto as stated under "5"
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1. the fact that my "OFFICIAL QUESTIONS LIST" is so long...........xxx
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Answer 1
Lack of emotion at memorial/burial
No hospital officials announced his "death"
Ambulance driving slow out of the drive with a "dying patient" in the back
Joe Jackson and Jesse Jackson laughing and smiling 3 days after MJ's "death"
The list goes on
Answer 2
I believe he was just sick and tired of all the BS he had to put up with throughout his life and to show people how the media twist everything to suit themselves.
Answer 3
I think Michael's message was to treat everyone as equal. He see's the good in everyone and I think that is what we need to do.
Answer 4
I started to doubt his death in July 09 starting with the helicopter video. After that I searched through the forums and seen the theroies people had came up with and was fully convinced.
Answer 5
[youtube:1xcjj4dr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU[/youtube:1xcjj4dr]
Ambulance reversing from MJ's house. (I would hardly say rushed.)
Answer 6
PianoGames hoax series
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1.
* The body covered/wrapped in a white sheet rather than traditional body bag.
* Only one photographer catching a few split second shots of the same thing (MJ from the side window of the ambulance) and only a few paparazzi @ the scene.
Compare the almost quiet, slow motion scene to when Britney was taken to hospital for a mental breakdown:
(http://zeofoto.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/britney_spears8.jpg)
(http://www.textually.org/picturephoning/archives/images/set3/paparazzibspears.gif)
then to add to that the person who did get the famous photo(s) of Mike is part of a company Michael was OK with and even friendly with. WTF?
* Joe's lack of emotion, concern, carrying on as normal. I know he's a harsh kind of guy but really:
http://www.theconcretejournal.com/2/wp- ... 1-full.jpg (http://www.theconcretejournal.com/2/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/jjacksonhomept2062509_01-full.jpg)
2 days later? :roll:
* "I'm alive and I'm here forever" @ the memorial: http://i569.photobucket.com/albums/ss13 ... 889038.jpg (http://i569.photobucket.com/albums/ss133/littlenaDdi/Michael%20Jackson%20Mmorial/88889038.jpg)
Plus he's doing the same fist pose as he did at the end of his O2 press conference.
Those words are featured in a song Mike did with Paul MaCartney who also was involved in a hoax death.
* Ben Evanstad (boss of the photo company Mike was OK with) saying "That day and the other da- uh...um..." Other day?
It's in this video but this whole series is my next point, best hoax videos around:
* [youtube:2452xn5l]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NJPIYDJAVQ[/youtube:2452xn5l]
* Prince looking bored at the memorial. Blanket, I can understand. Not Prince.
* Jermaine saying "He was long gone after he arrived to the airport* then nodding.
2.
Safety is the only reason I accept. Whether it be safety for him, his kids, or his fans. Or all 3.
3.
The mainstream media needs to show all the evidence that proved Michael's innocence to the world.
4.
It's worth it because the strange, unexplainable stuff doesn't stop. Nothing stops, everything is still going. You don't see Brittany Murphy still in the news and her death was shady.
One report/blog/tweet etc comes out then suddenly ALL these other connections to it come out, too.
I started doubting with the white sheet instead of body bag.
5.
Posted above. :lol:
6.
To be honest, this is the only one I truly believe in.
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1- The first thing for me was his actual death and the cause cardiac arrest. I thought NO WAY. Michael did NOT have a heart problem. He could not have. He was perfectly fine (just what i felt). Secondly the white sheet in the helicopter ride. I have NEVER ever heard of a body being transported with just a white sheet on and not in a body bag. That was really insane. Third was the strange memorial service. So many faces we didnt know and also the MUSIC. Michael always made it clear that when he went somewhere the LAST thing he wanted to hear was his own music. So why would EVERY song (except Smile) be his own music played? He liked James Brown and The Beatles among others. Wouldnt they have played something HE liked? However i was still sitting on the fence at that time and this went on for months until the day I saw "Dave Dave" on LKL the day of the "Funeral". I looked into those eyes and said "Those are Michael's eyes". When he spoke I KNEW it instantly. That was it for me. But would Michael be so bold to actually come on Tv in a disguise this obvious to some and so not obvious to others...YES he would because he is Michael Jackson.
2) So many reasons but mainly he did this for the protection of him and his family. Something bad could have happened if he didnt. But also he did it for his fans and his NON fans. He knew he would be more popular in death than in life so if he could do this and cause this chaos thru the world the pin would drop and i think FINALLY some of the people that thought badly of him from all the false accusations and putty inuendo would wake up and realize he is a human being with feelings and not some weirdo they (the media) made him out to be. Record sales soared, t-shirts and all kinds of memorbillia sky rocketed and once again Michael was on top of the world being the #1 loved man in the world. All he ever wanted was to be LOVED wherever he went. He has accomplished the impossible i would say.
3) I definately think the tabloids need to be BURNED and the media held responsible for all the HELL they have put Michael thru all these years. How much can 1 person take? How insensitive can they be?
People need to stop with the lies and forget about the PAST and look towards the future. We need to LOVE each other and respect each other. This fighting must stop. I would love nothing more than the world to be at peace. Michael wants peace for himself and the entire world. Save our planet and CARE about what we do on a daily basis
4) I want Michael to be happy and for him to come back --- really all I want is his happiness. If he were to never sing another song that would be fine. If he is happy i feel at ease.
Again i doubted his death back/forth right from the start but with the Tv showing Michael almost 24/7 for months on end it was hard to accept maybe he wasnt gone. It seemed it was UNTIl the "Dave Dave" appearance on LKL. That did it for me and i knew he was not really gone and he would be back again someday
5) "Dave Dave" - The truth is right in front of us.
[youtube:3myhhbb8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En5Q4syywcw&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:3myhhbb8]
6) This started year ago with all the accusations and the lawsuits against him. I really cannot pick one
Your own video section is great
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I'm going to keep this list down to the bare minimum.
1]The wake up call was the ambulance photo. I couldn't stop staring at it because it doesn't look like him
He removed the masks from the children shortly before 25th
A cardiologist doing cpr on a bed. Even I know that it's performed on the floor or a hard surface.
He conveniently got TII filmed before "dying"
Liberian Girl theme used at memorial along with strange choice of song"The Man"...who just happens to play the game of life so well.
2]The why seems to have many facets but my take on it is to expose corruption in the media and big business, and possibly governments. And at the same time wake people up to what is happening around them from environmental issues to the eroding of their rights and freedoms. The Sony/Atv catalogue is central to the problems and setups MJ faced in his life. I think a lot of people are going down.
3]For starters, we need to be aware of whats going on, and to speak up for truth at every oportunity, we need to step out of our comfort zones and care for the planet. Treat this world and everything that lives on it, both human and animal with respect. Be generous and give to others and charities so that greed doesn't overrun our lives. We all have something to give. A genuine smile for another costs nothing, but can be priceless in making someone feel accepted and loved.
4]Investigating the hoax has been a real education for me and I have learnt of many things that I was previously unaware of. It has been a joint effort from all involved and the collective abilities and differing thought processes have been invaluable. My intuition and research abilities have been honed . I will never again accept what the television news and papers serve up to me as fact until I can verify that information.
5] Early Pianogames [before Uri]
6] Princess Di
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1.
What are the biggest clues that makes you think he is still alive? And with that I don't mean 'it's just a feeling', but real 'proof' he is alive.
First we must keep in mind that Michael had to make it look credible hence no blatant and obvious evidence that he's alive. Instead this is the amount of inconsistencies that shout Hoax. http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=76
What lead me to believe that Michael could have faked his death is the lack or should I say the inexistence of tears from the family. The best example of this lack of « emotion » was at the Memorial at Staples Centers. The family was wearing sunglasses to hide their emotions sure but not the emotions people are expecting instead they're hiding smiles and uneasiness.
See this youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC61KiHfg1Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC61KiHfg1Q) and watch carefully the family's behaviour during Marlon speech, especially Jackie (from 3:12 to 3:25) who is definitely about to laugh but manages to contain himself. Now consider this seriously. Who would laugh in front of the casket of his own brother ? Or there was nobody in this casket.
I'll add regarding the Memorial what Kenny Ortega said "We were here, we were right here, a little less than a week ago and Michael was with us". The Memorial took place on the 7th of July 2009 and Michael supposedly "died" on the 25th of June. 12 days passed in between and there are 7 days in a week, so Kenny means less than 7 days ago. Michael couldn't be there a little less than 7 days ago or ?
See Kenny Ortega's speech here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyNOOkPV ... =1&index=8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyNOOkPVilg&feature=PlayList&p=7F137EDFCCD1B328&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=8)
Another thing is the ambulance picture that has been discussed many times. First we only had one picture which is very odd when we know how paparazzi work. They usually take several shots within a few seconds but here we only had one picture. If you look closely you can see that Michael's face is « younger », not the actual Michael.
The best in this story is that Brian Oxman (he represented Michael in the 2005 trial and is known to be the "Jackon family" attorney) confirmed that it's a fake (watch at 0:32) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbGrrNyMpZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbGrrNyMpZY)
Why leak a fake photo then ? I let you think about it.
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Why did he do this? We know he wants to wake people up, but explain exactly why you think he did this. Come up with good stuff about all the shit he is trying to expose, recent things from the news that made you go hmmm, you name it.
It's difficult to answer but I would say that this hoax has several purposes. I think that Michael had the idea since several years now and as being part of the Music Industry for many years he kows a lot of « bad » things surrounding this industry and he wants to expose the truth. Michael talked himself about a conspiracy instigated against him and it's true. He has been vilified and falsely accused by the press. Some people made everything to turn public opinion against him. Michael wants to take revenge and restore the truth.
At the same time it will expose the truth on what our world really is, how it is really governed and by whom. Our politicians are almost all saying that a New World Order is needed but very few people know about it. Of course Michael cannot do it alone and blatantly. It is our job to be awaken and to spread the message.
To know more about the NWO, The Illuminati just type it in your web browser you will get plenty of links.
- The Music Industry exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DikoLMfnEgE&feature=fvst (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DikoLMfnEgE&feature=fvst)
http://vigilantcitizen.com/ (http://vigilantcitizen.com/)
- Roman Empire Rules Today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4dJyqtd ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4dJyqtdlMg&feature=related)
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What do you believe needs to be done? How can we spread his message?
We must awake and unite as much people as possible to raise our voices as one. The more we are the strongest we are. It's up to us to make the change. Our world is in a bad state and it gets worse everyday. I think that to spread the message we must use the same medias who spread lies and half truths and lead people in the wrong direction. We must restore the truth, The mainstream medias have a huge power and they use it the wrong way. We must reverse this situation or at least make people realize that just because it's in TV doesn't mean that it's true.
4.
Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.
It is worth to spend so much time to investigate Michael's « death » because first we don't know what really happened that day (06/25/09) second now that I know it's a hoax and the purposes behind it is a duty to learn and investigate about what is really going on in the world and most of all spread the message.
5.
Post 1 (youtube) video of which you think is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues.
I advise people to watch this series of videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/JonellStarTV (http://www.youtube.com/user/JonellStarTV)
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Post 1 (youtube) video or video series of a well known conspiracy of which you think is the most convincing (JFK, Lady Di, 9/11, Global warming, HAARP, federal reserve, MJ himself etc.)
The most recent big conspiracy is 9/11 that headed the world to war on terrorism, an invisible ennemi that can never be arrested = endless wars going on for whatever reasons.
I advise these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho&feature=fvw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho&feature=fvw)
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You probably might have noticed that we have a lot of new members on the board. Because most of them are new in the hoax, we get a lot of questions about things we already discussed months ago. To avoid that and to try and get the new members as up-to-date as possible, we have decided to make a seperate web page for newbies because it's hard for them to struggle through all the info, but for that we need your help. We both have like 500GB of information on our harddrives, so it's hard to determine if we have covered it all. We are asking you to comment on this thread and post the following, numbered like I will do below, so it won't get messy. We want to start making the page on Wednesday at the latest, so please try to post everything before then.
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What are the biggest clues that makes you think he is still alive? And with that I don't mean 'it's just a feeling', but real 'proof' he is alive. If you have pictures, articles or videos to support your arguments, please post them as well. Anything is appreciated, from Dave Dave to the Murray court hearings to the burial or the memorial. Whatever did the trick for you, let us know.
2.
Why did he do this? We know he wants to wake people up, but explain exactly why you think he did this. Come up with good stuff about all the shit he is trying to expose, recent things from the news that made you go hmmm, you name it.
3.
What do you believe needs to be done? How can we spread his message?
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Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.
5.
Post 1 (youtube) video of which you think is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues.
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Post 1 (youtube) video or video series of a well known conspiracy of which you think is the most convincing (JFK, Lady Di, 9/11, Global warming, HAARP, federal reserve, MJ himself etc.)
Please read the topic through before you post, to keep double posts to a minimum.
This page will be the first page new people and media will read, so it needs to have as much info as possible. We need to trigger the media to take a closer look at the events, and people to take a closer look at the world we live in. Even if some media outlets will use it to publish crap like the Sun did, it will at least get a lot of people to the site reading this particular page.
Thanks a lot in advance, now go to work! ;) I think it's time this army will join forces to get the truth out there and make people see we're not nuts. We all have that sunflower in our avater, now is the time to sow.
NOTE: COMMENTS THAT DON"T HAVE INFO, JUST "OH, THAT"S A GOOD IDEA" OR "I DON'T THINK IT"S A GOOD IDEA", WILL BE DELETED TO KEEP IT CLEAR. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, PLEASE EDIT YOUR POST AND DON'T POST A NEW ONE.
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Many things: The fake ambulance photo,the transfer of the body and the scene of it moving in the helicopter(I'm not so sure about it,the coverage of the body in a white sheet although the coroners always use a black or blue plastic bag because there is fear of fluids,blood etc. The altered lines in ''WILL U BE THERE'' song at the memorial, The I'm alive and I'm here forever line at the end of the memorial,the reactions of his family during the memorial,the obvious staged funeral which took place at night and no Forest Lawn employees were present,but his dancers.etc
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My personal opinion is that Michael did it for 1 of these 3 reasons or maybe for all of them:
1st: He knew his health was not good and when he realized that he wouldn't handle all the 50 concerts he faked his death in order to recover and find his strength
2nd:He was threatened about his life and maybe his children and he realized that faking his death was the only way to save himself and protect his children.
3rd: He finally got tired,mentally and physically by the 40 years of public exposure,humiliation and violence of his integrity.He got away in order t find peace and normality.
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hmmmm! That's a difficult question.... I believe that what we should do is just keep searching,everything,and not recent events but also old....there must be many things which seek to be found .
4.
Because the life of Michael impresses and depresses me at the same time.It worths the effort of searching because it is a very interesting case and a very well made hoax.
I started to doubt his death when I saw the memorial and heard Jermain switching the lines in Michael's favorite song ''SMILE'' and at the same event when I saw the lines I'm alive and I'm here forever.... That's what triggered
my curiosity.
5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hpCqfak ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hpCqfakT-E&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2u5JYTa ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2u5JYTa4vg&feature=related)
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first the lack of real emotions from Jackson Fam. Members.
Their talking in present instead of past when they talk about MJ.
The ambulance pictures/911 call/coroner van.
2.
well i believe he did this to not have to go through with the concerts. Maybe there something about the terror treats that have been discussed. I believe that there was something that scared him enough to change his life the way he did.
3.
well the message is spreading all by itself. More and more believers are coming forward.
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well I have been in this since the day he died. I haven't been able to accept his “dead”. Something isn't right about it.
5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiFT4BDR0iA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiFT4BDR0iA) somebody is in the back.. besides I would not be smiling like that if I had just lost my baby brother..
just one of many..
6.
oh I don't know.. I not normally a conspiracy theorist..
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1. There are 3 different 911 calls. What kind of doctor doesn't know to perform CPR on a hard surface? If he is so incompetent, why is he allowed to continue practicing medicine? There is no body underneath the sheet on the stretcher taken from the helicopter. Jermaine announced the passing of the King of Pop, but there was no official at the press conference. Where was the official from the medical center? Where were the tears and devastating shock one would have expected?
2. I believe the 'reveal' will be the greatest demonstration of freedom. We are all held in chains by an elite whose plans are not for our benefit. In the video 'They don't really care about us' Michael gives the raised fist to the all seeing eye of the illuminati and the finger to the cops. In the 02 Press Conference he again gives the raised fist and begins This Is It with 'Gonna be starting something.' If he were trying to disappear for his own safety, he would not have left so many crumbs for us to follow. Because of his world wide fame, the loyalty and devotion of his fans and his access to international media outlets, I'm expecting that he will appear at some point and 'reveal' the truth behind the lies we are being fed, and like Mr.V., wake up all those sleepyheads sitting in front of their TVs. At least we can hope.
3. I tell everyone I can that Michael is alive. They think I'm nuts, but it plants a seed so that when he appears they know that at least a few people were aware of the truth and may begin questioning other lies they have been fed. I frequently post on other 'conspiracy' sites with evidence that Michael is alive. If there is somewhere I can buy a bumper sticker that says 'beLIEve Michael is Alive' I would buy it!
Since most of my friends know my beliefs about Michael, I try and behave in a way that Michael would. Patient, loving, lighthearted, studious, bold, honest, etc. In some small way, I'm trying to convey the impact he has had on my life.
4. After I saw TII the second time, I was angry and convinced he was murdered. There are a couple of videos suggesting this on Youtube. As I was searching for more support for this theory, I noticed the first 'hoax' video and watched it and it's been non stop ever since. This may seem crazy, but for me following the hoax has been both enlightening and spiritually awakening. There was a time early on where I would watch Michael and be moved to tears continuously....the kind of tears that wash away all negative feelings until one is left only with this LOVE for everything natural and beautiful. I've found support for my experience among this community of beLIEvers who have helped me take a look in the mirror and make that change.
5. The Jonnel Star series of course is where I began. But for ease I suggest: http://www.youtube.com/user/MJTheKingOf ... NJPIYDJAVQ (http://www.youtube.com/user/MJTheKingOfLife#p/u/6/_NJPIYDJAVQ)
6. Freedom to Fascism by Aaron Russo. Sadly he 'died' from cancer, but his video is one of the best. http://www.freedomtofascism.com/ (http://www.freedomtofascism.com/)
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BEFORE HE DIED THE O2 ANNOUNCEMENT / CHILDREN MICHAEL WITHOUT MASKS
JERMAINE ANNOUNCES HIS DEAD AND NOT THE DOCTOR OF UCLA
AMBULANCE PIC WHICH TURNED TO BE FAKE AFTER ALL
BEN AVENSTAD HIS SLIP UP/911 CALL IS MORE THAN 3 VERSIONS
KATHERINE SHOPPING 3 DAYS AFTER MICHAEL DIES
THE MEMORIAL DIDNT LOOK NORMAL TO ME
JERMAINES PREFORMING : SMILE WITH WRONG LYRICS
PAIN (S) INSTEAD OF PAIN
CHILDREN CHEWING GUM AT THE MEMORIAL AND LOOKING BORED
FUNURAL POSTPONED SEVERAL TIMES
JOE DOESNT KNOW WHERE HIS SON IS AFTER DEAD
FUNURAL AT MIDNIGHT AFTER DARK AND FULL MOON
DR MURRAY HIS SPEECH
DAVE DAVE AT LARRY KING
MICHAELS BEST FRIENDS DIDNT COME TO THE MEMORIAL
SLIP UPS LATOYAH AND JERMAINE
DANCERS THIS IS IT ARE HELPING AT THE FUNURAL IN PT BARNUM JACKETS
AUTOPSIE RESULTS SEEMS TO BE FAKE / MICHAELS WILL IS VERY ODD AND OLD, ETCETRA ETCETRA... :shock:
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as I mentioned, I have two theories. This one does not come with videos and enhancements. This one comes from the gut and therefore, is my strongest belief, though the other theory is also very relevant. This one involves plotting and the threat of mass destruction. This one, in my opinion, leans me more towards a reason I believe more in line with something closer to Michael's heart, threatening the lives of children.
When you have time, please avail yourself of information at the following link;
http://kassandraproject.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/swine-flu-jane-burgermeister-reported-onu-who-and-pharma-corporations-conspiracy/
I don't know if it is public knowledge that Michael Jackson made an out of court settlement with the Prince of Bahrain that would have settled his debts in full with him. (Both Michael Jackson and the Prince were alleged supporters of Ms. Burgenmeister's plight.) The agreement centered solely around the 0-2 performances. Michael agreed to make the London 0-2 performances a platform to warn of the impending h1n1 flu vaccination agenda. His message would have alerted, called attention to millions against this vaccine reportedly geared towards population reduction, causing a gigantic loss of revenue in the billions of dollars for the pharmaceutical companies, the governments, and all entities that stood to gain from the mass inoculation of human beings, initially targeting children and the elderly. Kill the young and you kill the lifeline. Kill the elderly and you destroy the genetic thumb print. Who's left? Those in the middle with no future and no history. Michael LOVED children, to see them used in a government testing program certainly would have gotten his attention and garnered his full support. Of course he would warn of a possible pandemic threat to them. The planet knows that if Michael Jackson speaks, the world listens. It is my belief that word got back to the powers that be and as a result very real threats were harnessed against Michael Jackson, and a plot to destroy him, the messenger, in front of millions on stage, with any bystanders becoming simple casualties of war. We know that many ticket holders in attendance would have been Michael's most precious commodities, children. Do you really think that he would allow that?
I do believe that Michael Jackson was smart enough to make sure that those shows never happened. He would not allow innocent people to be hurt. Though I am sure he wanted to save the world from the possibilities of these alleged tainted inoculations, I am more sure that his first priority would have been to save any one of them from certain bodily harm at his expense. The performances, not even one of them, could be risked.
I am also of the opinion that Michael Jackson did not have a choice for what day he would disappear. On June 25th, 2009, the same day of the alleged death of Michael Jackson, and 2 months to the day that Ms. Burgenmeister sent an e-mail to Margaret Chan, the same Jane Burgenmeister an Australian journalist filed charges against the WHO (World health Organization)
the following is the content of that e-mail:
From: Jane Burgermeister (http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Pub...ModelState.html (http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Pub...ModelState.html)
You must be aware of these facts.
This is such a drastic scenario that you in your capacity as a public servant must have real evidence of a dire threat to the population and be prove beyond a doubt that your actions will address that threat and that there is a good reason why you don't simply recommend people wear surgical masks if they don't want to take the vaccination.
From media reports, it seems that the new strain of swine flu is a synthetic structural recombinant, it contains genes from birds, humans, and pigs from many different continents. It therefore is reasonable to assume it came out of a laboratory, specifically a bioweapons laboratory.
Wouldn't the WHO be better advised to investigate the lab that manufactured and released this synthetic virus and prosecute them or else recommend people wear surgical masks rather than declare a mass vaccination programme?
According to a report in Fox News below, your assessment of the dangers of this swine flu is by far the most pessimistic with the CDC recommending just customary precautions. How do you explain that?
How do explain why you have identified so many fatalities already while the Mexican government has confirmed only 16 from this new flu strain? What is the scientific basis for your identification? Are you using a correct procedure? Can you prove it in court that you are using the correct procedure and that simply recommending people wear surgical masks is not adequate.
Also, I note that the new strain of the swine flu has appeared in Mexico and America simultaneously, and under "mysterious circumstances" also indicating a deliberate, planned and coordinated release of the synthetic laboratory engineered viruses. Shouldn't you be investigating such a "mysterious" incident? Have you declared an investigation? Who are you investigating? Please give details?
WHO is obliged to exhaust all other avenues before declaring a pandemic and initiating a mass vaccination programme because you must -- as part of your duties to be informed as the holder of such an office -- know that the 1976 swine flu mass vaccination programme was abandoned by the US government because of the mounting evidence that the risk to the general public was greater from the vaccination programme than from the actual swine flu.
It is your especial duty, given this precedent in 1976, to make sure no mass vaccination programme is implemented unless that causes injury to the general public is implemented under your auspices by your declaring a pandemic prematurely and without having adequate safeguards in place to ensure the high quality and safety of any vaccine material.
You also need to show that recommending surgical masks is not a viable alternative approach in dealing with any so-called pandemic.
I contend that you are not fulfilling your duty to a) provide accurate information to the public about the threats posed to them by the swine flu and b) to ensure you do not declare a pandemic prematurely as a pretext to rush through a contaminated or faulty vaccine material that could result in death or injury to people as happened in 1976.
As a public servant whose body is currently investigation the involvement of Baxter and Avir in the release of bird flu pandemic material in Austria, you are obliged to be fully aware also of the details of this case and the role that a pharmaceutical company, namely Baxter, played in almost triggering a pandemic.
You might also be aware of the criminal charges I filed against Baxter and other bodies, including the WHO, in respect of this case on April 8th with the Vienna City Prosecutor since they are available on a blog.
The WHO reference center provided Baxter with the particularly lethal wild type bird flu virus that ended up contaminating ordinary human flu material and being distributed to 16 laboratories in Austria, the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany under a false label, and so nearly sparking a bird flu pandemic this winter in the estimation of experts and the media.
Virus mix-up by lab could have resulted in pandemic (6 Mar 2009)
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... 230882.cms (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4230882.cms)
In the Baxter case of this winter, there is therefore a clear, well documented link between WHO and the release of pandemic bird flu material in Europe this winter.
The WHO is, according to reports, conducting an investigation into Baxter and Avir's role in producing and distributing this material, but has so far not made public the results of its investigation or made recommendations in respect of stricter biosecurity rules for laboratories working with the highly pathogenic bird flu virus. Why not?
I contend your failure to conduct a full and detailed investigation into this incident, and to make those findings public or to make clear recommendations as to how to prevent a repeat of this incident is not merely a failure to perform your duty as a public servant but evidence of your role in covering up the real origin of the pandemic virus, specifically, in WHO's own reference center.
In my criminal charges filed with the Vienna City Prosecutor on April 8th, 2009, I alleged that Baxter deliberately tried to trigger a pandemic with the aim of profiting from it by sealing in advance lucrative contracts to supply a vaccination for the bird flu with the Austrian Health Ministry in 2006, specifically the contract sealed with Austrian Health Minister Maria Rauch-Kallat involved supplying 16 million vaccine shots in the event that WHO declared a bird flu pandemic.
In Germany, a vaccination bird flu shot is mandatory ensuring more profits for pharmaceutical companies, and adding to the motivation for companies to trigger a pandemic because they will profit from it, and to take steps to exercise undue influence on members of WHO to declare a pandemic without adequate reason.
Referring to laws on racketeering influenced crime organisations, I argued that high offices in organisations such as the WHO have been annexed by criminal elements who are actually helping to further a criminal agenda of committing murder with the motive of robbery - albeit using covert bioweapons programmes.
As a result of the actions of Baxter, at least 35 people in Austria and in the Czech Republic were given preventative treatment against bird flu and the ordinary human flu in hospital. This underlines that in the professional opinion of the medical personnel there was a real, concrete and specific danger from Baxter and WHO's contaminated material to the health of those individuals, such that administering medicines was considered necessary. I understand the Czech laboratory staff who came into contact with Baxter's contaminated and who first reported it on February 6th material were placed in quarantine.
Given the fact that this incident happened only a few weeks ago and your organisation is involved in it in as far as it supplied a) a lethal strain of the bird flu virus and b) is investigating the incident, it is your duty to be aware of all details, allegations of criminal intent, evidence for those allegations and refutations of those allegations because there are so many parallels with this new "swine flu" case, also involving a synthetic structure that has mysteriously appeared in two places simultaneously.
In particular, you are obliged to be informed about the fact that Baxter uses biosafety level 3 regulations when handling the highly pathogenic bird flu virus that WHO sent the company from its reference center, and that under these biosafety 3 regulations an accidental contamination of the deadly bird flu virus strain you sent you're your reference center to Baxter with a human flu is virtually impossible.
You must also be aware of the research of Jeffery K. Taubenberger of the Department of Molecular Pathology, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology into the bird flu virus and specifically his reconstruction of the deadly strain of the bird flu virus from the genetic material retrieved from victims of the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918-1919.
Although many researchers and NGOs issued warnings that resurrecting this lethal virus was dangerous to the public, the WHO has been one of the biggest supporters of continuing research into this bioengineered virus and into its "antidotes" spending millions of tax payers dollars on research and prevention programmes.
You must be aware that it was only last summer that scientists published in scientific journals evidence that showed that the bird flu can mix with the human flu virus to produce a pandemic virus in a laboratory situation.
You must also be aware of the ongoing criminal investigation in Poland into the deaths of homeless people after they were given a bird flu trial vaccination by doctors and nurses last summer.
There is therefore, I argue, ample evidence within the public domain to show that pharmaceutical companies and government organisations and other agents are knowingly and intentionally creating pandemic virus material and, as we saw in Austria, this winter unleashing it on the population, and trying to cover up their involvement.
Should you and WHO now declare a pandemic for the swine flu in the USA, and should people die as a direct result of the vaccination programme you initiate, or should there be significant evidence of harm or injury to people as a direct result of the mass vaccination programme you initiate, as happened in 1976, you could find yourself charged not with a conspiracy to mass murder but with mass murder itself.
Furthermore, the WHO, as far as I am informed, has published a study outlining the economic impact of a pandemic virus.
If you as part of your office help criminal organisations who have annexed high offices of state to carry out their crimes, to ignite and then declare a pandemic, that disrupts the economy, then you, other leading individuals working for WHO in an official capacity and WHO, as an organisation, could also liable not only for criminal charges but also for damages flowing from class action lawsuits filed not just by citizens of American but by citizens or company around the world that see their revenues decline as a direct result of the pandemic being unleashed, and the subsequent havoc to the economy.
If there is a pandemic declaration by WHO and mass deaths from the vaccination programme, I foresee a situation were you and the WHO could find thousands of people are filing criminal charges but also class action law suits.
I contend there is evidence from the pattern of your activities concerning the Baxter case that you, under the color of your office while purporting to act in an official capacity, are actually acting on behalf of hidden crime interests intent on igniting a pandemic and misusing a declaration of a pandemic to gain political and financial advantages, a group which I designate as the Illuminati crime gang.
The declaration of a pandemic by WHO has direct political and financial and other advantages to elements in the US government, especially elements I argue belong to the Illuminati/New World Order/CIA/Freemason crime gang, who are now being considered for investigation for sanctioning torture in Guantanamo in violation of the US and international law, specifically Donald Rumsfeld (who has financial connections with an anti bird flu Tamiflu producer), Richard Cheney and Alberto Gonzales.
The imposition of martial law will help anyone suspected of violating laws to torture to avoid prosecution in the United States, although a case is pending in Spain.
I contend that you are abusing your office as Director General of WHO, knowingly and intentionally, to help the Illuminati achieve their political and financial goals.
I contend there is already today, Saturday, evidence that you are intentionally manipulating information on the swine flu outbreak that allegedly started yesterday to play up the danger of a pandemic in order to justify the implementation of a mass vaccination programme while ignoring and suppressing information that indicates this response is not proportionate to the risk.
Finally, I ask you to please provide me by Monday 10am April 27th Central European Time in the form of email attachments, links, legal memos etc the following documentation so that I can review it before submitting fresh criminal charges related to this matter.
Specifically, I ask you to send me or to instruct one of your personnel to send me
1) The studies you have to date on the swine flu vaccination you intend to inoculate the US population with, with clear evidence from respected scientific sources such as clinical trials reported in peer reviewed scientific journals as to their unequivocal safety:
2) Information as to the genetic sequence of the swine flu strain detected by WHO in victims of the "swine flu" outbreak in Mexico and America so far;
3) Information as to which companies WHO has contracted to provide a swine flu vaccination and under what terms and conditions, including quality assurance, financial terms and conditions;
4) A detailed account of all the safety procedures and independent reviews that WHO has put into place for ensuring any vaccination meets recognised standards of safety and quality;
5) Documents proving that you have the legal authority in the case of a swine flu to declare a pandemic and enforce mass vaccinations for the swine flu on the population in the form of legal memos, rulings etc.
Please send all the above documents as email attachments.
If you miss the Monday deadline, I will argue in my submission to the court that you do not have the documents.
I ask you to make sure you keep a copy of the email to me so that you can prove to a court that you a) had all the requisite authority and documents and b) that you had them at hand and available for public and legal scrutiny at short notice in an emergency situation as is your obligation as a public servant.
I will argue that if you have ordered your WHO officers to man the pandemic control room 24/7 from Friday April 24, as reported in the media, then you have an extra obligation to be on duty yourself this weekend and your failure to be on duty in the event of an emergency you have declared is a violation of the rules of conduct of your office.
As you have sufficient personnel at hand, I will argue, you can delegate this job of collecting the documents and materials I request in 1)-5) to a member of your staff and still be available to follow the "pandemic" which you claim is occurring.
If you send me these documents after the Monday deadline, please make sure to keep a copy of the email so that you can prove in a court of law that you had the necessary authority, and documents proving you had that authority at hand, and could present them speedily as is required of a public servant in such an "emergency".
In case you wish to study the criminal charges I have filed on April 8th and wish to be able to better comprehend the legal basis for the criminal charges that I will file on Monday April the 27th, I attach a copy in German.
I can also suggest my blog where I have published the charges in an English translation, though only the first 20 pages or so have so far been translated.
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/ (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/)
The introduction on the blog, however, also gives an outline of my evidence and arguments.
I am also copying in below two media reports that give substance to some of the allegations I make in this email, underlining relevant points, including the information indicating this new strain of a swine flu could be a bioweapon "mysteriously" released.
If you have any comments or would like to point out any facts you think are errors please get back to me as soon as possible. I would be happy to answer any questions.
Regards, Jane
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=149947
E-mail from Jane burgenmeister
E-mail from JANE BURGERMEISTER "now looking at legal action against whoever writes under the name of Sorcha Faal."
Date: Tuesday, 30-Jun-2009 14:17:10
(Thanks kindly, Jane. :)
Jane Burgermeister writes in connection with this post:
Fourwinds10: Jackson not a "backer" of Burgermeister despite words of Sorcha Faal
Monday,June 29, 20
I can confirm I am the Jane Burgermeister who sent the email to Fourwinds10 setting the record straight about Sorcha's Faal's false report linking my charges against Baxter for their role in contaminating vaccine material with 72 kgs of live bird flu virus and the sudden death of Michael Jackson.
I am now looking at legal action against whoever writes under the name of Sorcha Faal. I believe this is a deliberate and cynical attempt by the people behind Baxter etc to manipulate public opinion by trivialising Michael Jackson's death and the Baxter investigation.
Even medical doctors have been emailing me, asking me to confirm the link with Michael Jackson, and I have had to spend a lot of time explaining that the Sorcha Faal report is a tissue of lies.
I would appreciate it if you would post this up.
Thanks, Jane Bürgermeister
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Even though Ms. Burgenmeister refutes knowing Michal Jackson personally, there is too much cohesion to wane my suspicions. The following is email correspondence between she and I. Her response was short and simple but the last 2 words concerned me.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Hesouttamylife wrote:
Dear Ms. Burgenmeister,
I am writing to you as a person who just wants to have some closure and know the truth. I know that you will give it to me straight. I admire your courage. Your revelations about the swine flu vaccine was the main objective that convinced me not to have it and I have been all the better for it. Thank you for standing up for the world.
On to my next reason for writing to you. I know that you have heard many rumors and hoax theories regarding Michael Jackson's death. I have remained vigilante and watched for some real revelations. I have yet to see any. However, I have yet to see any real conclusive evidence that he is indeed deceased. Everything I have witnessed from the 911 call to the revised over and over again "legal" documents have all but convinced me that once again somebody is trying to pull the wool over my eyes.
I know that Michael respected you. For that reason and the fact that I simply believe you will not fudge over your answer, I am turning to you to simply ask am I wrong to feel that Michael is still alive? Am I being foolish? Am I only hastening the inevitable, acceptance that he did indeed perish on 6/25/09? I just feel so strongly that the government is a lethal weapon. I feel they will say and do anything to cover up their unethical methods. And I do believe that money, especially lots of it, talks. Do you feel that there is any possibility that he might still breathe somewhere on this planet?
If you find it in your schedule to respond to me, I would so appreciate it. I know that you have many other priorities on your plate. But when you get a little bit of time, would you please reply to me? I am losing my mind. If it is time for me to close the book on this, your opinion will be just the right push I would need to be able to do it.
Again, thank you for taking time to read this. I will wait patiently. Hopefully I will hear from you at your earliest convenience.
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Hi Hesouttamylife!
Contrary to the rumours spread all on the web, I had no contact with Michael Jackson at all and have no idea whether he is alive or not, I'm afraid.
Best, Jane
I don't believe in coincidences, and there are too many to even be considered as such. Again, this is only MY opinions and no one is forced to believe or either consider them.
However, both the lawsuit and the Jane's tell all video have been disabled and/or removed.
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1: the biggest clue to me is the ambulance pic. I think it's Michael, but it's Michael 25 years ago. He does not look that way in TII.
2 : I think Michael was forced to hoax his death. I think Sony and AEG made him do it.First they diden't, but as they saw, that he could not do the 50 shows ( maybe not even 10 ) they forced him to it. Because of the money, they would be loosing, in case of cancelled shows. I don't think Michael was healthy at the time he signed for the shows, well, maybe he was a bit naive.... to think he could pull it off. I also think, that if he refused to do this hoax, and cancelled the shows, they would have killed him anyway.
3 : I think, just by being kind, to all living creatures. Think more about planet earth, and start at home. Like, go over and talk to your neibour.... continue Michaels legacy, whether he comes back or not.
4 : Why ? I love Michael. He has been a part of my life since I was 12.... I want to know what has happen to him. I feel he's like family in a way.It haunts me, not knowing the truth.
5 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a445fEr9 ... cqLZWOLFYc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a445fEr9nWc&playnext_from=TL&videos=5cqLZWOLFYc)
I still think the blonde lady at the memorial was Michael.
6 :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGCZUT9DG4
Yes, Sony again. They are the bad guys imo.
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Everything that comes to my mind is allready said, so I post 1 video:
5. [youtube:23e2gwxi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaDz6rk5E5c[/youtube:23e2gwxi]
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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Jermaine announced MJ’s ‘death’. This is not normal.
The family are not acting like they have just lost a close relative.
The fake ambulance photo.
Liberian girl theme running through memorial and funeral.
Singing ‘Soon we are going to see the King’ when casket is carried in at memorial.
Murray youtube video that sounds very like a message from MJ.
Fake autopsy report.
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Michael is doing this because he knows just how damaged our world has become. He knows how deeply humanity has suffered. He has seen the media destroy our vision of a good/healthy world. How it twists the truth for £££ and is prepared to blatantly lie for it. He has experienced this first hand and his reputation was nearly destroyed with these criminal set-ups.
I believe he is exposing the NWO who are behind all of the Worlds destruction. They have manipulated mankind down a path of suffering on all levels, through Wars, Diseases, Healthcare, Media, Banking and Politics, you name it!.
The world has to know this for any change to be made.
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He knows that the only way to change our course, is for us to see it for ourselves.
Michael is showing us how powerful our voice is if we use it as one. If we all start to voice this truth together, then we will be more powerful than them. The people they have manipulated to protect them, ie, Police, Armed forces etc… will have to make a choice, who will they side with? Them or Us, If this message is loud enough, the decision will be easy. Humanity on all levels are essentially good at heart.
The message can be spread easily, through the net is great. Face to face is very effective. It’s also a good idea to have a few key things stored in your mind to bring up that is strong and simple. The idea is for people to look for themselves and discover the truth. This is the most powerful force and something that cannot be destroyed, especially if they have lost most of their protection.
Michael’s message is simple, Love and Unity are more powerful than fear and control. This World can be healed if we come together.
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I first doubted MJ’s death when I saw the memorial. The family appeared to be acting. It just felt so staged. I thought that the only answer was that he was not really dead otherwise his entire family would be showing something far more real. I then looked on the net and found that others had been investigating this from the start and there were so many inconsistances and oddities.
This investigation has shown to be vital to making a real change in the World. This is a united mission to bring awareness to people and show them that their voice will make a difference. Every single voice is important and very much needed.
5.
http://www.youtube.com/user/JonellStarTV (http://www.youtube.com/user/JonellStarTV)
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September Clues is about 911 and is very clear and gives great evidence. This is a series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga89OCTf ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga89OCTf0jE&feature=related)
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What are the biggest clues that makes you think he is still alive? And with that I don't mean 'it's just a feeling', but real 'proof' he is alive. If you have pictures, articles or videos to support your arguments, please post them as well. Anything is appreciated, from Dave Dave to the Murray court hearings to the burial or the memorial. Whatever did the trick for you, let us know.[/i]
First of all, you should read all that is written by S.T.U.D.Y, now known as TS, regarding his creation This Is Also It. It's a genius web phenomenon of redirects to web pages that hold clues to the hoax, shows TMZ's very important connections and messages that remind us to L.O.V.E. In TIAI Revealed, TS shows all of these amazing clues, proving that he is indeed a genuine informer from Camp Hoax.
Please read by going starting from the last page, up to the first, it's in Z to A order, not A to Z: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts
It's all fascinating.
The Tweet from the Jacksons in Update 2 http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965&p=61068#p61068 is very convincing, as it's straight from them, but also the fact that they had a hidden picture of Michael on their Twitter page! Here's pictures from SeeingClues' blog on it: Friday, January 15, 2010
Hidden Image of MJ on AllJack5ons Twitter
Many thanks to DontBelieveTheHype on MJHD.net for discovering this. They lightened up the image on the AllJack5ons Twitter to find the secret MJ image..but even with the simple use of MS Paint, all you need to do is copy the image and invert the colors and you will see it...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kvYJOjDaKfI/S1FNnFTBnzI/AAAAAAAAAkE/TnATc9Wcg9w/s400/secretmj.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kvYJOjDaKfI/S1FRxaNG-3I/AAAAAAAAAkU/Q1PPwWYPacc/s400/xenogears.jpg)
So why is this "hidden"...and what does this mean? (right click View Image to enlarge)
Extra thanks to Xenogears who lightened the entire image to reveal more detail:
Posted by SeeingClues at 9:21 PM 12 comments (main page: http://seeingclues.blogspot.com)
Isn't it just too coincidental (Michael once said there are no such things as coincidences!) that, starting in late 2008, less than a year before June 25th, rumors starting going around that MJ was in bad health, whether it was flesh-eating skin disorders or being blind in one eye..http://www.hollyscoop.com/michael-jackson/michael-jackson-fighting-flesh-eating-infection_19287.aspx%20%20http://www.nowpublic.com/world/michael-jackson-seriously-ill-dying-ian-halperin-story-refuted and then a radio station has a very mini "death hoax"- they say they've just been informed that he died..and then later say it's not so! http://[http://luvyoumichaeljackson.info/2009/12/27/news-report-of-michael-jackson-hoax-death//[url]
On the "death certificate", his name is written as Michael "Joseph" Jackson, as it has been on a lot of recently-released material. However, in court in 2005, the judge stated his full name as Michael Joe Jackson. Your full name must be stated in court, no shortening, or it could have been called a mistrial. [url]http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5483
At the memorial, at the end, the family put a picture of Michael looking up, with the words "I'm alive and I'm here forever." Now, wouldn't that be somewhat mean if this had been a real memorial, to write the words "I'm alive" at a..memorial? Where the whole point is that someone isn't alive? Friends, fans, family, the world, crying over over the fact that someone is "gone"? But that sentence is clear as day, eh? Here's way more on the memorial from Mo and Souza: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php
Good luck making sense of the "time line of the 25th", with all of the various articles strewn all over the web about Murray's calls, toilet trips, hiding drugs..whether or not Michael was ill or healthy on that day. In fact, the recent news that Murray's trial is being pushed back a year (If this article is entirely true): Jacko trial in two years
MICHAEL Jackson's doctor is unlikely to face trial over the star's death for TWO YEARS, the News of the World can reveal.
Huge delays in preparing the case against Conrad Murray mean he probably will not go before a jury until 2012.
In the meantime, he put his medical skills to good use yesterday -giving first aid to a woman who passed out on a plane.
Passengers on the flight from Houston to Texas said Murray, 57, helped stabilise the woman and hooked her up to an IV drip.
When she came to after 30 minutes, he reportedly said: "You probably know me-I was Michael Jackson's doctor."
Miranda Sevcik, from the legal team representing Murray in his involuntary manslaughter case, said: "He's a good doctor, and that's what good doctors do-save people."
Murray's lawyer Ed Chernoff is furious "many pages" of documents collected by Los Angeles police have not been handed to the defence-even though Murray was charged in February.
Proceedings could be drawn out even longer over problems with choosing a jury. Chernoff fears his client will not get a fair hearing in LA. "Finding people without a view on Jackson will not be easy," said one legal expert.
Murray is next due in court on June 14, but his lawyer says he will push that hearing back to September.
Last night Murray's spokesman said: "We are looking at the trial starting in about two years in September.
"We've got a huge load-3,500 pages-of evidence to go through. And we have witnesses to speak to all over the world who have had contact with Jackson over the years.
"To properly defend Conrad it's gonna take time to get all of our stuff together."
The District Attorney's said there was a "good possibility" the trial would not begin for "one to two years".
Murray, a cardiologist, has just been given permission to continue his medical practice-but without using anaesthesia-to help pay legal bills.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz) ... death.html is perfect- get staged court hearings out of sight, out of mind for now, since it's not necessary to put Murray on trial for Michael's "death" and so that non-believers won't focus as much on them. The doctor's ordeals are one of their main complaints against the hoax! It makes more sense that this is a hoax than that it's not- after all, 3,500 pages that no one will ever see is the perfect excuse!
From the Weird List at mjtruth:(http://mjtruth.wordpress.com): MJ supposedly had a 3 million dollar life insurance policy. (Why for so little when Heath Ledgers was for 10 million and MJ is WAY bigger than Heath Ledger. Isn’t 3 million dollars about like a roll of quarters to MJ?) We’ve heard stories in legitimate newspapers that someone let the life insurance lapse… in which case it wouldn’t be paid out. But then we hear other reports that the life insurance has paid out… due to the apparently supernatural powers of Branca and McLain to make it happen. In a situation like this, an insurance company will do everything they can not to have to pay out. There is no way they paid out before things are all settled. Not buying it. Sorry. Not only this, but supposedly the reports where the life insurance was paid is in SEALED court documents that no one can read. IF Life insurance paid 3 million, isn’t it MORE likely the life insurance was just cashed out… the money that was paid into it? You can cash out your life insurance if you’re still alive. And NO insurance company is going to pay out with so many questions swirling around about the death. They have big time attorneys too. John Branca is brilliant, but he wouldn’t intimidate an insurance company.
Here are two videos on the ambulance picture,[youtube:tvqw1eon]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbGrrNyMpZY[/youtube:tvqw1eon]
[youtube:tvqw1eon]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdTpEUOjO2c&feature=related[/youtube:tvqw1eon]
which was "shot" by Ben Evanstad , who has known MJ a while:(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/Ben-2.jpg)(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/benn2-1.jpg)
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/ben3.jpg), and who has also has taken many of the Conrad Murray "paparazzi pictures" that have shown up on TMZ(Remember, they are definitely the "brickmen" laying out the bricks of the Yellow Brick Road: http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-pt-barnum-forum-for-all-theories-regarding-pt-barnum-f19/tmz-is-michael-s-brick-man-t59.htm)
Speaking of Conrad Murray, take a look at this: [youtube:tvqw1eon]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESGptNNsJ0[/youtube:tvqw1eon] I still don't know if he's a real person or not, but just speaking of this message, on its own, that video is interesting. His role in all of this also not very clear, but this:
This Is It was not meant to be concerts at all, and the proof of that is as simple as this: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/AEG_contract.pdf The absence of the rider, which means there was no contract at all..
If you have trouble believing me, I invite you to call any agency or concert promoter to verify my statement.
Michael didn't have time to waste filming rehearsals for fictitious concerts, so he sent a lot of stand-ins: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7258&p=130124&hilit=joe+doubles+TII#p130124 to film movie scenes instead..makes a whole load of sense.
Everyone knows about Michael in disguise as Dave Dave on Larry King Live, but go down in this thread to see a comparison from Chappie (I can't paste it here): http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115124
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Why did he do this? We know he wants to wake people up, but explain exactly why you think he did this. Come up with good stuff about all the shit he is trying to expose, recent things from the news that made you go hmmm, you name it.
You may wonder, how can hoaxing a death "expose" anything? Well, there's This is Also It (links in the first section I wrote) which informed us about much. However, that is why I firmly believe Michael is coming back, to speak out and let people who don't believe in the hoax see for themselves. (TIAI Update 5b makes this clear, as well:http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=9763&p=163790#p163790) If you've joined a hoax site, (the first of which, by the way, was put up on June 26th 2009. Already people were suspicious? Or did "someone" want to make sure that a hoax idea got into people's heads? I wouldn't put it past him..) you've seen people from all over the globe, every continent but Antarctica, "coming together" to sort through inconsistencies. Upon finding plenty, if you want to find out more about a hoaxed death, you have to think of "why". Why hoax a death so sloppily and leave clues to get attention, if you want to escape from your life? Michael has tried to speak about conspiracies against him:
60 Minutes, 2003: ED BRADLEY: What — what has this done to your career?
MICHAEL JACKSON: What — what has it done to my career?
ED BRADLEY: What has it done to your career?
MICHAEL JACKSON: In what way?
ED BRADLEY: How has it impacted — you know —
MICHAEL JACKSON: I'm — my album —
ED BRADLEY: — touring, record sales —
MICHAEL JACKSON: — album is number one all over the world. All over the world. America is the only one, because I — I don't wanna say too much.
ED BRADLEY: But it's not number one in the United States?
MICHAEL JACKSON: It's a conspiracy. Yeah.
Anyone who isn't out to hate/bash Michael Jackson knows how the mass medias everywhere treat him, how they try to paint him. Why and how does someone so kind, so loving, deserve that? Even if he's a little strange, does that alone justify vilifying him? It's because he's not just a weird, extra-kind, extra-loving man- he's also a powerful black man with a voice heard around the world, and rich as a King, too. [youtube:tvqw1eon]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OBUgE6EDFo[/youtube:tvqw1eon]
The Elite have wanted him silenced, they don't want people thinking about his words of color-blind love, of helping the needy and the poor (especially in foreign countries) of thinking for yourself and not what they feed you! They want him reigned in as their little servant..[youtube:tvqw1eon]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE7TPPgWyhA[/youtube:tvqw1eon]thinking of Michael Jackson as an MK-Ultra mind control slave http://intheknow7.wordpress.com/mk-ultra-monarch-program-basic-info/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_Ultra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA(these are just some of many sites where you can read about it) is a hideous, disturbing thing, but we need to learn about it, for his sake. To realize that he is even more amazing for not only escaping from but working to expose this! As much as you may cry or feel afraid, remember that Michael Jackson never wavers from his message of love, remember that love overcomes all. The tagline of This Is It is "Discover the Man You Never Knew". Michael needs and wants us to understand about the horrors of MK.
They tried two times to throw him in prison for nothing at all (Go the right side of the page and click on the link that says "V for Vendetta to read all the scandalous truths of that terrible trial:http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php ) and slapped the hideous label of pedophile on him, so that people would turn their backs in disgust, and continue to, as George W. Bush infamously encouraged us the day after September 11th, "go shopping". He's sick of it. He's doing this so that all of those who have read these boards will take the knowledge and apply it to their lives, so that he can bring attention to the ridiculously uneven world, where some are impossibly wealthy while others have no home at all and a few potatoes to eat. He wants us to see him for who he truly is, what he's suffered and his incredible strength and spirit persevering through it all, all the crazy things people will do and the morals and standards they will throw to the wind for money. He's doing what he said he wanted to do in his book Moonwalk: doing something to change the world.
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What do you believe needs to be done? How can we spread his message?
We need to take better care of ourselves by trying our best to minimize our intake of the totally artificial, processed food the big corporations fill the supermarkets with, and opt for organic, real foods created by God's hands for His Earth's people, with more fruits and vegetables every day. We need to be more active, as simple as the stairs instead of the elevator, to reduce the epidemic of obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure..the list goes on. This is the first generation in history where our children may have a shorter life span than us!! They are our future! We know how Michael reminds us of this. There are so many, too many, children dying every day, so you could research a good charity, volunteer some time to raise money. Even without money, just generally making the right decision and not the selfish one is spreading his message of love. The meaning of the sunflowers that Lisa Marie blogged about (Theres's also plenty on the meaning of the flowers in the thread and other sunflower threads on the board): http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=9743 is beautifully explained here by Believe777: I wanted to start a new post about the recent news coverage etc because I feel there is a specific message for us here that is not being heard. I know this has been discussed very much but I would like to bring a few things together here and explain my take on it as I think it is important.
On June 25th 2009 Michael planted a seed in the media with his supposed death. Since then he has been watering us with clues. Now this article comes out in The Sun which as we are all aware, the media has been very careful in what they have been reporting on, so now must be a very important time for us and him.
I am aware that this has caused yet another divide between us, but I do believe that this is all planned. nothing else would make sense. They could have done this months ago and without Souzas co-operation. Why I believe that souza was needed here is because this has fueled the knowledge that the media twist things and do not honour what they have agreed to.
So now another seed has been been planted in The 'Sun', for non believers and those who simply haven't ever questioned his 'death' . Almost immediately LMP announces that Michael has too much empty space around him. I believe that metaphors are used a lot here, so my understanding of this is that Michael needs us to bridge the gap and surround him. With the seed he planted 10 months ago he has grown beautiful flowers, which are us. Now LMP asks us to send him Sun flowers, which I believe means she is asking us to spread his message that we have become so strong and united in. Spread it everywhere, talk to whoever will listen. Comment on pages where our voice will be heard by non believers etc...
In this time also, DD has tweeted for his 'army of me' to revolt. Why he says 'me' is because if you believe as I do that Michael played DD on LKL then he is talking about Michael's army. To revolt means to rebel/ to stand against what is against us and unite in a common purpose, in this case Love and truth and our belief in Michael.
TS has also said that we can influence the hoax and his comeback and I think the time has now come for us to blossom and protect Michael by voicing his message. We need to be the water that makes this seed grow more beautiful flowers for Michael, as he needs major support for his return. This could be seen as a metaphor for parting the seas, carrying him so his return is safe for him and us. And most importantly that people understand why he has done this.
LMP stated 'silk' Sun flowers, and silk is made by the silk worm which symbolizes resurrection and rebirth as well as secrets and illumination.
LMP also said today on TMZ that her message was falling on deaf ears!
I do understand many people's concern and anger about recent events, but this has to get out there. Piece by piece and DD was the biggest thing that would peak people's curiosity into at least having a look at this video. My husband even said to me this morning that he watched it and he really sees Michael there. The voice especially. I don't talk very much to him about the hoax usually as he finds it hard to believe and thinks I am just going off on one. Not now though!!!, so this could change many others who ridicule us and call us crazy. Maybe 'crazy' is the new 'sane'.
Whatever our personal feelings, lets openly unite for Michael's safe return. :) ;) :)[/b]
It seems difficult for non-believers to accept when we try to spread his message on fan boards, but I'm sure that we can make use of more web sites, magazines, TV shows, etc, to publish hoax-related articles so that they can spread far and wide and open people's eyes. More people will research the "whys" instead of the "hows" when they believe he even hoaxed his death in the first place! We need to get all of this golden information more out into the open, as his army of flowery L.O.V.E.! LOL!
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Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.
On the 25th, I cried all day, but always there was a little something in the back of my mind, a little echo of "This cannot possibly be true". It may have been denial, but at the time it never overcame my acceptance of the events, it just hung in the background. A few times, like when I saw "the ambulance picture" later on that day, or when I was watching the memorial on TV while listening to a radio show that expected him to jump out of the "coffin", that little voice got louder for a moment, it told me "Look! Does that picture look real to you?!" "Listen! They on the radio know how Michael is; you hear them singing 'We are going to see the king' on that stage." I would see people on fan boards bringing up that he possibly could have done this, but they were always scolded and told to shut up, "let him rest in peace". I always wished they would at least consider the possibility..Michael never silenced ideas. The "funeral" almost totally eliminated that- it was over. But then, over one month later, I saw a thread somewhere about a weird blog called "MAO knew halfhearted, too". The blog wasn't all they discussed, though, they also mentioned strange messages left on MJJCommunity years before 2009. Riddles, stuff from someone called Joke Calms China..I was hooked. There was also a scary total coincidence with a podcast I download every day or so for someone else, but don't often listen to, myself. Sometime that week before I read that thread on the fan board, they on the podcast had talked about the MTV VMAs and the Illuminati symbolism in it, even though I had never heard of Illuminati before. It scared me silly, even more so when I researched it. I kept what I'd freshly learned in mind while reading that thread..I had chosen to listen to that particular podcast for a reason, even though I didn't know it..it was a higher force. Somewhere in the thread also was a link to something at the MJKIT hoax forum. From October, I went daily, not registering here until December. I realized that my subconscious had always doubted his "death", and now I had confirmed my doubts, especially when I saw Dave Dave on Larry King.
It's important that we investigate for the simple reason that if we don't, who will? If anyone has even an inkling of doubt that Michael is "dead", they need to research, because, as they'll learn, this hoax depends on us investigating- without us, it's nothing! Look at far we have come, look at all of the things we have found! It's important because this is a man who knows his own importance, who knows what he means to millions. When he hoaxes his death, or to those who haven't seen the truth, "dies" mysteriously, you'd better find out why. Don't just accept what you hear- this is Michael Jackson, who always had things said for him! He needs our support, he needs our focus on his message and not the Elite's. When he comes back, we will be his support system, and that alone is reason enough for us to inform ourselves, investigate and prepare!
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Post 1 (youtube) video of which you think is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues.
[youtube:tvqw1eon]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFpn45po5A[/youtube:tvqw1eon]
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Post 1 (youtube) video or video series of a well known conspiracy of which you think is the most convincing (JFK, Lady Di, 9/11, Global warming, HAARP, federal reserve, MJ himself etc.)
Just the fact that the world is so unbalanced, when we have the brains, technology and resources in the twenty-first century to help balance the impoverished, desperate countries, is enough to tell me that there's something very wrong: [youtube:tvqw1eon]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkzjMtmIsfY[/youtube:tvqw1eon]
We will be there, Michael!
Peace, love, and Michael Jackson, everyone![/size]
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1 - Clues after 'death' that He can take it from here - hoax started & carried on by Michael.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q2yIV-LaPI
- TII - MJ says - he's so glad he was the one chosen to do this & saying we only have 4 years which ends in 2012
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW-mjYFH_1I
- Joe Jackson on Larry King - body? What body???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAuWhSElCH4
2 - I think he is doing this to change our perception about reality & revealing the hidden truths of his own life & that of the world to reveal NWO & their real plans , how they work & what this means for all of our futures & 2012 shift.He is helping us change ourselves to create a new future.
MK Ultra vids - http://www.youtube.com/user/EsotericKitten - as seen in Hollywood
Project Camelot - http://projectcamelotportal.com/[/
Good series full of info- devil in Vatican - for those who need to see it under the nose then this delves into the popes doubles,freemasonry,bent cross & video footage of the illuminati setting up the popes aid & lots more - lots of parts but very interesting - [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLp9xigjajM&feature=related
3 - Global flash mob TII dancing - if it was organised in a different part of the world one after the other & have it reported on then it could get lots of attention - peacefully of course - if arranged everyday day could make people think & ask questions & we could have peace banners etc & hand out leaflets & talk to people.If it could be arranged then imagine it coming on TV every couple of hours or something & the interest building as it starts up all over the world! Too crazy???
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I started doubting his death after seeing the ambulance photo & seeing the ambulance leave.The description of him as an old man didn't add up & the fact that there were hoax vids really quickly afterwards.Nothing seemed to add up if it was real. I watched the memorial & thought it was quite lovely but there were things that just didn't sit right - shades,Paris,smiles but it didn't really sink in till later - I actually felt guilty for thinking Paris was faking it at the time - which soon changed.
It's worth the investigating bacause of the major problems we are facing if we don't change.Also I would like to know who the real Michael is & the reality behind life, I don't want to be lied to or taken in by unseen forces & led somewhere I don't want to go.For the first time the truth is coming out & being a part of it feels really good.
I think the problem has been that we heard him talk of changing the world but noone really thought he would actually do it. He has followed through & when do we ever have that from anyone? It's good to be a part of positive movement for truths & love & a proper education we should have had.
5 - [YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/user/pianogames?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/51/z1Jq6pVSTK0[/YouTube]
6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR6O3kJTqaI&feature=related - Haiti HAARP 2010
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wow this is allot of great info
once you sum up all the clues that we know this is great!! :D
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LOL now i'm embarrassed for not giving any views, but everyone's input is really great! :lol: :lol: :lol: 8-) :ugeek:
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1.What are the biggest clues that makes you think he is still alive? And with that I don't mean 'it's just a feeling', but real 'proof' he is alive. If you have pictures, articles or videos to support your arguments, please post them as well. Anything is appreciated, from Dave Dave to the Murray court hearings to the burial or the memorial. Whatever did the trick for you, let us know.
ANS : the first thing that hit me was the body moving in the helicopter. [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gus3FLeB5KU[/youtube:1x98or2r]
then the pain's' in the song "will you be there" at the memorial : [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVQvy6Q_Oj8[/youtube:1x98or2r]
the saw masked guy at the halloween theme park : [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuzmCWfqUU8[/youtube:1x98or2r]
DAVE DAVE on LKL : [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLBsd72jB8[/youtube:1x98or2r]
the slip ups : [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhEGFOqtfMw[/youtube:1x98or2r] [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=303mmolg5is[/youtube:1x98or2r]
then the thing that convinces me the most is the lack of emotion in the family, Janet smiling when talking about her brother's death, Paris's speech, Prince bored at the memorial, Joe promoting his record label instead of grieving for his son's departure, Katherine shopping days after the "death", kids playing minutes before the burial of their father. strange tweets fro Kenny Ortega, nothing about MJ's passing in the movie This Is It. Michael's song lyrics - Threatenned, Heaven can wait, Xscape, Morphine, The Man, two funerals (proven by the hoaxers comparing the footage), autopsy report that says MJ had brown hair when he has black hair, nothing about the spider bites, they said he was bald when he never seemed bald to me in his recent appearances and i can go and on... watch this video : [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LbSKgKdNG0[/youtube:1x98or2r] watch from 7:07. who is the man on the back seat? why are the brothers so happy two days after Michael's death when i was thinking of digging up a grave and lie inside? watch all the parts of this series, this alone is enough to make you understand this is nothing but a hoax. then there are toooo many questions we have that remain unanswered, watch this : [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idfHsGEKwKE[/youtube:1x98or2r]
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Why did he do this? We know he wants to wake people up, but explain exactly why you think he did this. Come up with good stuff about all the shit he is trying to expose, recent things from the news that made you go hmmm, you name it.
ANS : i believe there are multiple reasons for Michael to fake his death. he's a dreamer, a visionary, i believe he always wanted to do something miraculous that would stun the world. as he said "the best is yet to come"... see in his movies, in "ghosts" and "moonwalker" both, he reappears when everyone thinks he was gone. i don't know if he's going to make a movie with it or he did it to be on the top again, but something like this would have been one of the reasons. he could also have been threatened. but being a hardcore fan my heart doesn't want to believe Michael left us here forever for his own sake though he has all rights to do that cause his life is his life. but i still wish and think he will come back and tell us the truth. one important reason according to me is with this hoax he's gonna prove his point, he's gonna show us how easy it is to accuse someone for a crime they never did. [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq5hy-MYQXg[/youtube:1x98or2r]
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What do you believe needs to be done? How can we spread his message?
ANS : to me, Michael's message has always been "love" and only love....... love for each other, for our family, friends, everyone around, for the entire human race, love for children, love for the earth, love for God.. helping people in need, not just with money but with love that comes from your heart. for that you have to look at the man in the mirror and tell him to start, everyone will follow you. i myself i'm doing this and teaching myself. love others, you will get love back. Michael always tried to teach us to think for ourselves and not to believe in the tabloid junks or anything without trying to know the truth! even before the hoax, i was like this always, i always try and think about things then decide what to believe. we should stop judging others without really knowing them, we should teach others the same thing too and i am doing it.
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Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.
ANS : well, i don't care if it sounds fanatic, i'm doing it for my soul. for my life i need to do this cause i need to know the truth. ofcourse i wanted him to be alive, so when i started hearing from other people they believe it could be a hoax first i ignored but then i had to start looking deep. and i found the holes. most of the clues are given by Michael himself, others are just slip ups, so i believe Michael wants us, his truly and honestly dedicated loyal fans to know that he's alive. so now i'm doing it for both of us. he's giving clues out there, i'm trying to collect and and know the meaning of them. i'm investigating cause i want to know the truth and Michael himself wants me to know the truth, wants me to investigate. :) i started doubting his "death" because of all the inconsistencies like the delay of the funeral, lack of emotion in the family, specially Joe and Katherine, all the weird stuff like they said they put make up on Michael's face when he was already dead for months. and they had told us they didn't have an open casket memorial because his face was not like how we'd like to see him. now i don't know from when doing CPR on chest affects on someone's face. i'm not sure about that though. all these odd things you know, i will be adding if i recall anything more.
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1. Clues:
- Propofol admnistered by a cardiologist outside the hospital (propofol is an anesthetic and it should be given only by a specialised doctor under monitoring); Michael described like a drug-addict, but Michael himself declared he is pro natural means of healing;
-Joe Jackson at LKS - "I don't know where Michael's body is"
-The name of the concerts in London and the press conf. in London - Michael acted like he knew what was going to come
-Similarities with V for Vendetta movie
-The memorial - the Liberian Girl poster and the words "I'm alive and here forever" and the blonde lady who seems to be a man in disguise (she has Adam's apple)
-The funeral - delayed several times, finally took place at exactly 70 days after June 25th, the Liberian Girl theme also and no open casket and no pictures of Michael dead leaked
-The trailer for the movie made me really start questioning Michael's death, preciselly the next sentences:
- "it's an adventure, a great adventure; you wanna take them places they've never been before" - seemed out of the context, not suitable for describing the concerts; these words seemed to have a deeper meaning.
- "The man is here; may this continue, with him leading the way" - Kenny Ortega's words in the trailer made me wonder - continue what and leading what, if he's dead?
-Kenny Ortega tweet about the TII movie - "dedicated to all the believers" - he never explained what he meant, he also tweeted a lot of L.O.V.E. long after June 25th
-The Gilda moment in TII and the actor who played the character who faked his death was born the same day and month like Michael
-Jermaine said "This is it, but this is really not it. There's much much more going on, this is not the final curtain"
-Marlon at the memorial saying that story about Michael going out in public in disguise
-The Haloween video with Liz and Paris - the man Paris is looking at really seems to be Michael
-The FBI files which try to clear his name - I see no other reason for releasing those files
-Kenny Ortega "Michael was with us in the editing room" when asked about the making of TII movie
-The leaked songs - A place with no name, Another day - who's behind the leak if not Michael?
-Murray was not arrested immediately and the house was not searched right away and the charges were only filed in 2010 and Murray is still allowed to practice
-Murray's trial seems to be a duplicate of Michael's trial in 2005 - like a lesson to the world to not judge before know all the facts
2. I think Michael did this as an attempt to make a change in the world, to bring love back into the world, to fight against injustice, against trash media (not all the media). I also think this hoax was thought like a movie - an interactive movie - we are all part of it if we want. This is what Michael knows better - to innovate, and I think that's part of what he's doing now.
I also think he was threatened, because I can't imagine he did all this without the authorities help.
I also think Michael wnated to change people's perception about him - to make people see the person behind the image.
3.What is to be done? How can we spread the message?
When it comes to action I am not that good.
I think Michael's music need to be studied, like a lesson, need to be analised and ...I don't know, I think Michael should be studied in schools and maybe people who really understand his work should do something about it.Anyway, he made history and sooner or later his message will get to all people naturally. I can't really answer this, sorry.
4.I spend so much time investigating not because worths it in some way, but because I love Michael very much and I really can't believe he's dead and I want to know the truth because what we have now - the official version - I don't think it's the truth, and because his genius is amazing and I admire and respect him very much and worths my attention, but first of all I love him a lot, his golden heart.
I started doubting his death when I saw the movie trailer for This is it. Something there was not right.
......I'll try to continue later......
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Try to be as succinct as possible, despite everything that has been exposed briefly, if deployed would be pages and pages, I believe this is not the purpose of the topic. Already, I apologize for the bad English, but for reasons of time was translated into basic google it. I apologize to Souza for the delay, but unfortunately not had the time I would like to devote myself to this work at the moment.
1-1 ° - Medical cardiologist unable to know how to make a CPR; 2 - A single photo of Michael in the ambulance, obviously edited, 3 - An ordinary person killed in her home under suspicious circumstances, would have banned the house for avoid interference in the investigation, something that never happened, and if a celebrity whose life is full of situations and people suspected ... really very complicated accept.
2 - The reason, in my opinion, are actually several: 1 - The complete dissatisfaction with the direction of the contracts until 2012; 2 - The career stalled, due to numerous reasons, from personal, contractual etc. 3 - The very willingness to be an example as a person, something that people could look at himself and find a way to be an example to mankind, and 4 - I still believe that all this will be part of a larger project to resume his career, and all these facts would be used. More importantly ... all doubts clarified. ;)
3 - What we are doing ... believing in him and his motives, which are not few. I do not care called crazy ... he was called mad for long, acts as a "go to the club." ^ ^
4 - I met so far in my life no more worthy to spend my time investigating. It's been an incredible year of observation and analysis. I dedicated myself to investigate this, because I think Michael Jackson worthy of attention. His life, his attitude throughout his career, I do understand that would be cruel, if we simply accept this "death" peacefully, even though everything was very clear and resolved ... which is not the case. The least we can do to "give back" a bit of care he had for humanity, especially the people of our generation is making the new generation knows who Michael Jackson was really, by its actions, not by the media vomited about him.
Doubted the death of Michael Jackson since I got the news. I have no "proof" that made me believe, just did not make sense initially. And after all "enlightened" in the media, doubting much of the news, I searched on google about a possible scam and found this forum that had just been created ... I thought ... is ... I'm not the only one who thinks so. Then things were not happening, and each new headline doubt became almost a certainty so far it only has increased.
5- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDnxSXyv ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDnxSXyvjkQ&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1pXU_RsxoQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1pXU_RsxoQ) Please watch the full ... then draw your own conclusions
6- Never had the interest in verifying the truth about fake deaths, Diana may have been poorly explained too ... but if it was fake too just wish that she is well and happy, far from hell that made his life while nobility
Hugs and...go sow
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What are the biggest clues that make you think he is still alive?
Of course, it started with a gut feeling. But the ambulance picture did it for me here. I found no good reason of why one should fake that or who would benefit from it other than Mike himself. If he had died, they could have taken the pic from the real dead Mike instead of photoshopping one that was obviously from 10 years ago. So the conclusion here is: this was supposed to make you scratch your head, if you have been following Mike. It was evident to me that it was either old or photoshopped. Plus the fact that it came from Mike’s photographer friend and none of the other dozen paps had even a blurred photo to show…how convenient.
Then his own doctor obviously doesn't know anything about first aid and later wouldn’t sign his death certificate, but his sister did, which makes the document legally invalid to my understanding. Only a doctor can sign that.
There was never a statement by any doctor or hospital official regarding that day. Even Jermaine’s statement was announced by the hospital’s press representative as just that: a statement. They only gave him the space to make his statement without ever confirming anything or even mentioning Mike’s name. To this day, nobody from there did. Jermaine’s statement is published in the press department of the UCLA-website. Just an announcement without medical value.
All ‘official’ documents are inconsistent and thus questionable in their validity.
None of the documents carry Mike’s legal name, which is ‘Michael Joe Jackson’, period. If the person cannot sign a paper to confirm that he or she is the same person when the name differs, it has to be the legal name. Dead people can’t sign anymore and the autopsy report said they identified Mike by his driver’s licence. On Mike’s driver’s licenses, which are available on the web, it always says ‘Michael Joe Jackson’, same with his Motown Artists’-ID, passport and available court transcripts from 2005, ‘The people vs. Michael Joe Jackson’. No Joseph, no J., always Joe.
The Memorial reaked of slip-ups (Kenny Ortega: ‘We were here together just last week’, when Mike was supposedly already ‘dead’ for 2 weeks) and ‘little mistakes’ in songs (Jermaine ‘Smile’/ ‘...painS’ instead of ‘pain’ in ‘Will you be there’) or the wall displays, ending with ‘I’m alive and I’m here forever’. Jermaine sang it: ‘Light up your face with sadness, hide every trace of gladness’ – Don’t show anyone that we’re just playin’ and how happy we are that this ain’t real!
About the ‘sadness’ of the family: I think the emotions were real, if I only had to imagine that it was my dad or my brother or my son in that casket, it would bring me to tears. So it doesn’t even matter if the casket was empty or not. I won’t guess here, but it seems odd that there was no open casket viewing, which is customary in the U.S., as far as I know. Even James Brown was damn there in center stage at his memorial.
Joe Jackson, when asked by Larry King, didn’t know where his son’s body went after the memorial and although the family had a second autopsy ordered, he claimed that he didn’t know the results of it…if anyone should know, of all people, it’s the next closest relatives, thus the parents, since the children are minors.
It’s like Joe is saying: ‘I know Mike’s gone, but I have no idea which flight he took.’
When I saw ‘DaveDave’ on LKL, I saw immediately it wasn’t Dave, but Mike. Dave’s original voice may sound a lot like Mike’s, but his mannerisms and face were not Dave’s. Dave also has blue/grey eyes by nature, on LKL they were dark brown with a distinct eyeliner around them.
This is a good vid with picture layovers to show that all the lines fit Mikes face and skull, no doubt possible:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLBsd72 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLBsd72jB8&feature=related)
The burial (ceremony) wasn’t held in a building on the premises, which is always in a cathedral or other building there, but outside with no Forest Lawn staff even visible, the ushers were the dancers from ‘This Is It’. All orchestrated by Kenny Ortega and Travis Payne. That was no funeral.
The memorial and the funeral featured two different caskets. The handles differ from each other. Why use two different ones? You buy one casket for one body. Never two.
And most people still keep talking about Mike in present tense…
Another one was the ‘Green Man’ in the relaunch of the ‘We are the World’ video. A great effort was taken to explain the presence of some guys in light green bodysuits. It was said to be a feature for fans to insert themselves into the video. In the end, half a head of one green guy behind Tony Bennet’s shoulder can be seen for one split second. On enlarging that head, what can be seen is a perfect match to Mike’s eyes, eyebrows and forehead under a green stocking cap. Never again was there any mention of that ‘fan feature’. In a later version of that, a clip from the ‘Ghostbusters’ movie is used at the beginning of the same video, only that it is ‘mirrored’, with everybody being on the other side than in the first (official) video, and the Ghostbusters walk with the Statue of Liberty with the song ‘Your love is lifiting me higher’ playing from a radio. This second version has obviously no other reason than being a ‘thank you note’ to those who can ‘read Mike’: The online-reaction to the ‘green man’ was tremendous, so to me that was a proof. The titling is kinda telling, too: ‘Here’s something from the request line From Liberty Island’… Presented by ‘LuckyLadyLiberty’.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLhhSc5W ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLhhSc5W7hA&feature=related)
There is a whole long list of possible disguises and sightings of Mike after June 25, which would be too many to post. YouTube has everything, most famous vids would be by PianoGames, Mjfanforeverandaday, MJalive999 and Karenjoymc.
And I won’t even go into all that numerology stuff…
2.
Why did he do this?
My take is that this has been planned at least 10-15 years, if not longer. This is a once-in-a-lifetime thing, so there have to be multiple reasons except some well deserved privacy. Mike has lived his adult life not only as the greatest superstar, but also as the greatest tabloid victim of all time. Personally, I can’t think of anyone who was slandered so deliberately and over such a long period of time. I am old enough to have witnessed pretty much all of Mike’s adult career and I have also seen those tabloid headlines when they happened. If nothing else happened, create a Michael-Jackson-headline, seemed to be the objective.
Mike was also always confronted with people who betrayed him for money. No matter how nice he was to anyone, they stabbed his back, leaving him with almost nobody to trust. Still, he stayed nice and friendly on the outside.
On the business side, Mike also learned ‘the hard way’ that he was not only the ‘golden child’ of his father Joe, but also for his record company, Sony and all of their intertwined businesses and associates. When Mike started to put his foot down with them and topped it all by buying half of Sony’s publishing catalogue, they ceased to promote him. His message was never important to anyone there, he was only their ‘best horse in the stable’, a trademark. And a sure guarantee for a steady cash flow. And that hasn’t stopped yet. Anything Michael Jackson sells like hotcakes, still. But as a living person, Mike is also a threat to the industry called entertainment business. without an album or any new music in ten years, he still managed to sell out 50 gigs within hours for his upcoming show. That’s maximum power right here. Threatening…
Mike’s concern was always to put his celebrity status to good use, be it in favour of the environment or the underpriviledged. He said in interviews: ‘When I’m on tour, I do as many hospitals as I do concerts. But I do it outside of the press. and they never write about it.’ He’s been doing that all his adult life. there are countless pictures and footage with him in hospitals, visiting children, giving them gifts, etc.
When he lived in Neverland, he opened his home every day to children to come play there. Busloads of kids came there everyday without any incident being reported. He has always supported countless charities for decades, giving billions of dollars.
Still, all of that was turned against him and became the gruesome icing on the cake when he was accused and had to go to trial in 2005 for child molestation.
I think that was the trigger to go through with it all, after he was first accused in 1993. Mike had it. Game time!
Everything he ever did good crumbled to dust because of an accusation that was constructed out of thin air. Everybody around him knew that and still, the whole legal machinery was in full swing to get him imprisoned.
If this is all going according to plan, my take is that Mike is using all those same vehicles to prove how manipulative all those systems are. The tabloids are being fed to create certain images (or destroy them) and spread certain newsbits like little pieces of candy. Everybody gets some, the haterz, the fans, the generally bored public…
Sony et.al. have another thing coming once they run out of material they can publish without constantly repeating themselves. Since ‘Invincible’, all they ever did was ‘Best Ofs’ with maybe 3 unheard songs in ten years…Mike has no contract with them anymore, the estate does. Whenever his new stuff comes out outside of Sony, their stuff is gonna start collecting dust. And I’m pretty sure that one by one, former Sony artists are going to sign on to that new exciting label on the market, Mike Records (or whatever).
The exposure is also structures that need to be broken and this hoax is to take all that down in one nice sweep. Mike couldn’t have done all this ‘being still alive’ cuz he was followed all the time. He had to disappear to finally get rid of everything and everybody that tied him up and took advantage of him. Otherwise there would have been no way he could orchestrate all that ‘in broad daylight’.
The trial against Murray is there to prove once more that you CAN keep the whole legal machinery busy with a case that isn’t a case. This will prove once more that the trial against Mike was a conspiracy and nothing else and it could help to get rid of some personnel in that field who have been there too long.
Personally, Mike also has some leeches to get rid of which he obviously couldn’t when he was still around.
It was necessary for Mike to be dead. He needed to get away to get all of that away from him, so he can spread the word without anybody thinking it’s him.
This hoax was necessary for Mike to break with all those structures that tied him up all his life and to expose and take them down at the same time. Mike is using the mechanism that almost destroyed him to show once more how crooked people are, how selfish and how it can all be undermined and taken down. The evidence was there from day one, but most people preferred to believe it on first sight. You have to investigate and follow up on stuff to see the hoax. He wants people to use their brains again.
That’s the teaching part here: Mike wants to show the world what is happening and how we are all tricked to believe it’s all okay. He has spent decades trying to spread his message, making the change, just to be bashed over and over again. He wrote numerous songs to spread his message, did anybody listen? He was never taken serious for his concerns, so he took this extreme measure to get it right. And he’s using his enemies’ weapons to beat them.
He is using tabloids, the legal system, legal loopholes, business strategies, everything. And for those who take the effort, there are enough clues to prove it. This is like the movie ‘Wag the dog’, in real life.
Another crucial reason could be that he was threatened, which is very possible. But I won’t even get into all that Illuminati/ NWO stuff…
3.
What do you believe needs to be done? How can we spread his message?
We can all start in our own environment. Helping people who need help, if it’s just to help an old lady across the street, engaging in social projects, recycle, smile at someone we don’t know just because…and of course, all usable media is important. Tweeting messages, networking, telling friends how to be a better person, keep an open mind, don’t believe everything you hear or read. The everyday stuff has gotten lost, the simple ‘being a good neighbor’-thing and the open-mindedness in general.
It’s all for L.O.V.E. – anybody can spread that message. Print it on t-shirts, stick it on your car.
4.
Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.
All this caught me by surprise. I watched it all ‘live’ on CNN that day. I was not a fan but witnessed everything that happened around Mike over the last 25 years, so I kept following those news. When the ambulance picture came along, it got me. I couldn’t answer the question of why it was needed to be photoshopped. It was clear as day to me that it was not the actual photo. Being a YouTube freak, it didn’t take long before the first hoax vids came up and I was happy to discover that I wasn’t the only one to think that something is fishy here. With every new information, it was something wrong with it and I kinda got stuck investigating everything regarding Mike’s ‘death’. I’ve been talking ‘hoax’ since last summer, so I started early in the game…
It simply overwhelmed me. You can’t help but invest a whole lot of time once you get caught into it. It takes a lot of time to view all the hoax vids, the references to Mike’s works, which all have to be reviewed with a totally different attitude now. Then you gotta work up all those structures Mike was caught in business wise, people he dealt with, their references, etc.. It has become addictive.
There is simply no choice. You have to devote a lot of time to even get a fraction of all these details together and make sense of that. Or leave it alone. No alternative.
It’s worth it cuz when it all comes down, it will be the biggest hoax in history. And I can’t wait to witness that. It will not only make HIStory, but change the world. Who wants to miss that?
5.
Post 1 (youtube) video of which you think is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues.
Impossible. The YouTubers who cover the most are the above mentioned: PianoGames, Mjfanforeverandaday, MJalive999 and Karenjoymc.
6.
Post 1 (youtube) video or video series of a well known conspiracy of which you think is the most convincing (JFK, Lady Di, 9/11, Global warming, HAARP, federal reserve, MJ himself etc.)
September clues:
http://www.livevideo.com/video/6F393F4D ... part1.aspx (http://www.livevideo.com/video/6F393F4DE41C4CF798CBB438E6378129/september-clues-part1.aspx)
If they can stage THIS, whatever Mike is doing should be a piece of cake.
:mrgreen:
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You probably might have noticed that we have a lot of new members on the board. Because most of them are new in the hoax, we get a lot of questions about things we already discussed months ago. To avoid that and to try and get the new members as up-to-date as possible, we have decided to make a seperate web page for newbies because it's hard for them to struggle through all the info, but for that we need your help. We both have like 500GB of information on our harddrives, so it's hard to determine if we have covered it all. We are asking you to comment on this thread and post the following, numbered like I will do below, so it won't get messy. We want to start making the page on Wednesday at the latest, so please try to post everything before then.
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What are the biggest clues that makes you think he is still alive? And with that I don't mean 'it's just a feeling', but real 'proof' he is alive. If you have pictures, articles or videos to support your arguments, please post them as well. Anything is appreciated, from Dave Dave to the Murray court hearings to the burial or the memorial. Whatever did the trick for you, let us know.
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Why did he do this? We know he wants to wake people up, but explain exactly why you think he did this. Come up with good stuff about all the shit he is trying to expose, recent things from the news that made you go hmmm, you name it.
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What do you believe needs to be done? How can we spread his message?
4.
Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.
5.
Post 1 (youtube) video of which you think is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues.
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Post 1 (youtube) video or video series of a well known conspiracy of which you think is the most convincing (JFK, Lady Di, 9/11, Global warming, HAARP, federal reserve, MJ himself etc.)
Please read the topic through before you post, to keep double posts to a minimum.
This page will be the first page new people and media will read, so it needs to have as much info as possible. We need to trigger the media to take a closer look at the events, and people to take a closer look at the world we live in. Even if some media outlets will use it to publish crap like the Sun did, it will at least get a lot of people to the site reading this particular page.
Thanks a lot in advance, now go to work! ;) I think it's time this army will join forces to get the truth out there and make people see we're not nuts. We all have that sunflower in our avater, now is the time to sow.
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1 - After 25.06.2009 ,Micheal’s death day, I started doubting ….
Strange call by his bodyguard Alverez at 911 that talked of an man in difficult respiration and he no mention his name! He talked to the police 1 time and vanished into thin air. His wife doesn't know when he will be coming back. Why did the 911 call answering the phone hang up before the paramedics arrived? That is not standard procedure. Attempted at resuscitating him by his personal physician Dr. Conrad Murray were unsuccessful…. he tried to resuscitate him on the bed…!!!. Every doctor knows you have to perform CPR on a flat and hard surface. Murray founded Michael Jackson with a weak pulse….You don’t perform CPR on a person with a weak pulse!! Finally he has waited 45 minutes before calling 911, because he didn't know the address??? He came there by car! He knows very well Michael’s residence! And he don’t use the cellular for call 911?! Incredible! Micheal was treated at his house for 30 minutes….What Dr. Murray did??? Mystery!
There were several security cameras at the mansion in LA where MJ collapsed, but they are missing . No video footage !
And…WHO IS really Dr. Conrad Murray? Is he probably an actor?! Dr. Conrad Murray hires an attorney. Police repeatedly said Dr. Murray was not a suspect, just a witness.
Why does a man who is only a witness, hire an attorney? Confusion!
So…we know all very well that paparazzi chase voracious news of personality like Michael Jackson, that was literally persecuted before his “death”! Why they had no other photos, other notices?! Why they persecute not Dr. Conrad Murray?!
After….The ambulance with wich Michael was transported to the hospital made three attempts to exit the drive way backwards….incredible, because there's a huge roundabout on the property…
Why leaving the property backward? They were driving so slow with Micheal in death throes?! No sirene?!
An photographer (Micheal’s friend!) had time enough to make his famous photo(in fact there are three different ones) in ambulance , but Michael looked too young (around 30 years), he had a good color - if he really in cardiac arrest he certainly would have blue or grey skin! - The photo were photoshopped with an old image of Michael during his concert!?!
After resuscitation efforts continued en route to the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, and for an hour after arriving there at 1:13 p.m. Michael Jackson was pronounced dead at 2:26 p.m. local time.
TMZ, a tabloid media source was the first to report MJ had died. They reported it before coroner and before that Jermaine Jackson made his public statement,about 4 hours later from UCLA on Michael Jackson's death: "My brother, the legendary king of pop, Michael Jackson, passed away on Thursday, June 25, at 2:26 P.M.".
What?? A brother that announce his death?! No UCLA’s Doctor mentioned ufficially his death? No doctor talked to the press?? TMZ, a tabloid media source was the first to report MJ had died?!?
No official doctor’s statements, no nurses being interviewed, no patients coming out and report what they saw or heard?!
The only comments reported was someone who worked there said something strange was going on with regards to MJ, and someone else claimed the fire alarm went off while MJ was there.
Someone claimed the Los Angeles ‘s airport was closed for two hours…
Dr. Conrad Murray refused to sign the death certificate. Why??
No physician at UCLA in charge had signed death certificate?! In fact no UCLA doctor has made any kind of statement confirming the death of Michael Jackson or even that he was on the premises.
Cause of death?? Death certificate: it seemed a fake…. Cause of death was listed as “deferred” until after the autopsy. The DC states that it is only valid if signed in purple ink. At the bottom it’s signed in blue ink.
There are also many irregularities of the document which indicate it possibly isn’t legitimate….
There is major evidence in the death certificate, that shows the name Michael Joseph Jackson.
That name is not according to his other official identification documents: Michael Joe Jackson is his real name. That is something that can’t be changed!
Also: the transport of Michael’s body by helicopter (with open doors!!!) from the ospital to the morgue.... a body wrapped up by white cover….!
Dead body must be inserted in blue or black sacks because you would know that there is a risk of leaking fluids from the body!
The body shouldn’t be positioned by the doors, but more the front! There was no stretcher there! Strange to put the body on some chairs!!!
This was a great proof ! It’s evidence!
The coroner van carrying Michael seemed false…
But…where was Michael??? Nobody talked…Too silence! Doubts and suspicious…., all the time!
Autopsy: strange! No result back yet, just rumors spread by the media. Second autopsy, same story! Toxic’s rapport: mystery… How much autopsys? …Well, almost three! A total of 3 autopsies have been ordered: one official, two by the family - who for some reason wanted their own autopsy performed - , and a third reportedly requested by Joe Jackson, MJ’s father.
Though there have been several people who have come forward suddenly talking about MJ having a drug problem ….
Many people at the last rehearsal claimed he was energetic and on top of his life and in no way seemed sickly or drugged.
According to a new autopsy's report, Jackson had osteoarthritis which was visible on his lower spine and fingers.
He had dark tattoos on his eyebrows and around his eyes and a dark tattoo on the front of his scalp -- possibly to cover the permanent scarring from burns suffered in Pepsi mishap.
The report says he was balding and suffered a skin disease.
Probably Jackson suffered from vitiligo e/or lupus.
His heart was strong but his lungs were inflamed. The report says Jackson's stomach had no obvious signs of pills, nor were illegal drugs or alcohol detected.
The manner of death -- already reported to be a homicide -- was based in part on Propofol administered in a non-hospital setting….Questionable….!
Dr.Murray! Where was he???? The LAPD didn't seal the scene directly, but waited 4 days!
In the meanwhile, everybody could get stuff in and out of the house! !Also they had not made an official statement on the case. The LAPD told that only 3 investigators are working on the case….Confusion!
Police repeatedly said Dr. Murray was not a suspect, just a witness….!?
There are many conflicting reports about MJ’s death… He died in the bedroom, he died in the doctor’s room…Where??
Within a few hours after the cardiac arrest, all of Jackson’s staff was fired.
They were removed immediately …after Micheal’s death….!!
The family of Michael Jackson seems not destroyed by the pain .... with all due respect for the feelings of others.... really when you lose a loved one does not laugh out loud as I have seen his father Joe Jackson...with the reverend!
His mother Katherine was photographed while sleeping bags and had bought a normal expression ...
The brothers and sisters do not cry, exhibit faces of fact ...
7 luglio 2009 Memorial: Wonderful show ... funeral! The family did not seem distressed, she hided her eyes behind big glasses blacks.
On the screen the image of Michael Jackson Liberian Girl (Michael was behind the scenes?).
With a small mistake in the text, The new recording of the spoken text of "Will you be there", the lyrics "No more crying when we are going to see the king", and "No more dying pain we are going to see the king" by the gospel choir, Jermaine Jackson had to upset in "Smile: Light up your face with sadness, hide every trace of gladness" and Michael’s last picture on the screen as the director in Liberian Girl with the text: "I’m alive and I am here forever". It’s a wrap!
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The crying (fake) of daughter Paris Jackson and grandfather Joe and son Prince Michael I who chewed gum ... come on !....
The body was missing for 2 months! The burial would take place on August 28 …29…31.... At last on September 3rd…..
He is at the Great Mausoleum where nobody can visit him!!
Several members of the board have called Forrest Lawn and they all get the same answer.
Michael Jackson is not anywhere on Forest Lawn and he has never been anywhere on Forest Lawn!!!
The media saied he was full of needle marks on the autopsy table, bald, missing his nose! Statement of the coroner’s office: nothing of that info is from this office. No, they don’t had a body, so also no info.
People close to MJ say he didn’t use drugs, then suddenly they say he was.
His brains were returned to the family, in a carton box …
But, why remove a whole brain? I think there is a clear reference to the Order of the Illuminati, the Satanists human sacrifices.
Many unsolved crimes from which corpses have been removed or half the entire brain, which is used in rites of these criminals.
Although disgusting and reprehensible, I think so.
For a few months but the body disappeared and nobody knew where he was ...
At September 3, 2009: The funeral !Finally, they found the body, got it a new wig and some astonishing make-up (according to Randy e LaToya) and they had put him to rest.....!
Well, the whole funeral was strange and hilarious…., but it reminded us of Mike’s old video clips Liberian Girl again!
Michael was remembered on CNN by his friend Dave Dave, a man whose face has been maimed in 1983 because he deliberately was set on fire by his father.
Dave Dave told how Michael took care of him and was like a father to him….
The funeral seemed like a movie set: the streets and the trees seemed artificial, on a green background ...
People laughed, was calm and relaxed ... young men in strange uniforms (and here the speech is long, the uniforms used by Michael in the past) had welcome to the guests at the funeral, but smiling and posing beneath a large portrait of Michael ...30 years…!!
The Jackson family is late ...
All remember that this is an ingenious hoax ... Just observe, study, take the seemingly insignificant details ...
The bloody shirt found in the closet, after Michael's death. ... The price to points at the day funeral ....?
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I think that Michael wants to wake up humanity with is message: the world is about to be controlled by a secret society or worse, the Antichrist.
For centuries, harmful and negative forces are at work against all of humanity to make us slaves to their will for domination and authoritarianism.
They are the evil forces that want to extend evil to all populations to obtain resources and money, much money for themselves.
This program has ancient roots and is carried out by select few rich families from generation to generation, members of secret societies, linked to the Illuminati conspiracy is an order that works in the shadows and in secret and is inspired by ancient codes and symbols common but hidden.
Unfortunately, there are seven secret bloody, devoted to human sacrifice and satanic rituals!
They believe the Antichrist and his dominion through worship Lucifer.
Michael Jackson was definitely a victim of them: he rebelled and they are vindicated by covering him with insults and threats, accusations and infamy in that who are his deepest feelings and clean, love for children, the genuine love and true for the most defenseless beings on earth.
The accusations of pedophilia leveled against Michael were atrocious revenge evil of this group of criminals who moves back in front of anything, especially to those who reacted and fought them!
They fear the awakening of conscience! They are afraid of individuality! Qusto want to control the minds, dominate the behavior, stealing the spirituality of the soul, plunder the mind!
Deepening my research I found that many pedophiles "real" lurking within it, the richer strata of society today, from their hypocritical facades and unsuspected, protected by a gigantic network of complicity at all levels.
Unfortunately, involved institutions, foundations, corporations, governments, industries seemingly "harmless" of our society: why the Illuminati are so strong, they have done their secret invisibility!
Michael's mother is devoted to the religious congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses: I believe that I am not far from the truth if I say that Michael had to be controlled primarily by them, in collusion with the Illuminati and Masonic lodges .
Considering the power of exercising mind control of Jehovah's Witnesses, I suppose throughout the Jackson family has had to deal with them somehow.
I think that probably Michael, who came to the attention of sordid ties of these criminals and sellers of bodies, sections of bodies, or children sold for sex to the rich and opulent representatives of these associations, has decided to say its truth.
Michael is a being very rich in spirituality and sensitivity, talent and genius.
Because they wanted to stop him.
They have threatened, then they spend some time.
A character such as Michael would have attracted billions of people! The risk was too high, could be undermined their evil purposes!
And found the false accusations! The guys who lied, driven by greedy parents and envious of people like Michael Jackson, despite the sincere friendship that Michael has always shown them. ... !!
Without going further, I really think that thanks to Michael Jackson and his prodigious idea of Hoax, planned for some time, we were able to reflect and open some gap in the curtain that surrounds these groups of evil!
The sufferings and humiliations have scratched his pride, his great dignity, freedom of his immense genius mind.But this was a great master stroke, incredibly strong, stabilized with great intelligence to the accumulation of junk built against him all these years!
He gave us the opportunity to discover the truth about the huge system that governs us, we are starving and impoverishing deliberately, they wants so and they encourage wars while participating in the mock peace conference! And almost no one is excluded or, alas!
Unless they prove otherwise, that is to say at side with Michael!
Then...Michael 02 Arena of London: March 5, 2009 on TV I'd
seen and heard several times. It was very strange but I think
it was him.
"I mean ... I just say that this is...
This is my last show, my final curtnain call. "
Why ?!
Time passed ... arrived on 25
June 2009.
I watched that video a thousand times, forward and
back .... he would be giving his "final curtain call."
"I just want to say that these will be my final performances in London. When I say This Is It, it really means This Is It because...
"This is my final curtain call...."
Shortly before leaving, after putting his hand on
heart and told to fans "I love you really, from deep
of my heart "and" See you in July !"...
He turned, raised his arm and returned
back.
At that time he made two gestures strange.
Looking to his right, down there in the audience probably has shrugged his shoulders and arms extended.
He did a "tic" with his lips, raising his hand upper right corner.
I found it strange.
I went to investigate.
It seems to me a possible connection with the hoax of famous Joey Skaggs... is the name of the hoax about the death that began in September 1998! It was designed by Joey Skaggs, and we can website information Museum of Hoaxes: At Final
Curtain, and right on the site Skaggs.
"In 1998, Skaggs put together an international team of writers, artists and designers to create the volunteers Final Curtain was immediately accepted by .....public as a reality without a question ..... Skaggs always left clues in his (jokes) performance.
Joey Skaggs has staged practical jokes - to mock the media to mock the culture, but never to make money -for 34 years. Some jokes are huge and take years ..... The clues were there for journalists doubted Final Curtain. But they did not .... Part of participants were in agreement on the Final Curtain keep your mouth shut until it was time to
reveal the hoax ...... Final Curtain was not meant to make money was intended to draw attention to two issues - the evil media, as we saw, and industry of death.
So it is likely that among the reasons for Michael there are also willing to denounce the deceits of the pharmaceutical industry that administers medicine for profit, as the last pandemic vaccine for swine, willingness to report abuses of governments who defraud millions citizens to earn the elite of the Illuminati, and the desire to free themselves from untrustworthy people who steal money and manipulated ....
Michael wanted to restore his honor, infamy for many journalists to serve the power system. And also take around !....
To tell the truth, without dramatic gesture of Michael Jackson, I do not know if I would understood all this ! Thanks Michael!
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I think the best way is to open the mind, expand our knowledge, raise awareness in all ways, not stop at the barriers and increase the level of independence of mind.
It 'also important to talk with others, not to consider bias or preconceived ideas, but remaining strict and consistent in fighting these purposes which will lead us to total destruction within a few years.
The Illuminati want to arrive early to conquer the world (New World Order) and are accelerating the pace so beastly.
Spreading false information and intrigue, the trust between humans is undermined forever.
We must recognize the false prophets and disable them!
Note how much evil there is in the world and how the media are quick to report "exclusively" acts of violence, sensationalism, criminal events, shocking crimes, bloody robbery.
Shape our psyche as they please! So then can command without a sign of reaction.
We must not forget the suffering like us, the passer or near, the stranger or outsider.
From ourselves, improve ourselves and help improve behavior.
Increase listening, increase the individual sensitivity, expand the goodness of actions and not just words ....
We must enrich our spirituality, raise the spiritual level of our feelings: the evil forces have benefit from our spiritual deficiency.
If there is degradation, materialism, greed, perversion etc. these forces will have free rein.
We must and can gradually change our thoughts and bring them to the spiritual evolution
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I started to doubt his death the next day! It seemed unrealistic as the papers said, I did not accept certain superficial explanation and I found absurd and embarrassing that a person could be destroyed and then put "at rest" in that way.
At first I thought of a murder. As he appeared not in great form in recent months before that in June 2009, Michael seemed a healthy man but just psychologically debilitated!
While not a true fan, but a fan of "character" and lover of his music, I realized that something was not plausible.
I started to click on the Google search engine. ... "And if Michael Jackson had not died?"
The first blog that appeared was of a boy who had picked the same questions thousands of other people, most of which were real fans destroyed.
The second name was the forum "historic" dell'Hoax at which I enrolled seeking details and notes, thoughts and views, opinions and news.
I am surprised by the degree of attention that I put myself in my research, I must admit that thi is my first real experience of the sort.
I've heard a lot of solidarity staff for Michael, for as has been abused and humiliated, I hate the power in all its forms, lack of respect "normal", the deceptions and ploys of the powerful that has always join hands to maltreat the weak, the dispossessed, the sick, children, the elderly, women!
I went into a difficult road, fraught with incomprehensible things, but I felt I had to walk!
I took evidence, the famous clues that Michael has left to bring home to his many fans: he was not dead! And after a little time....I began to understand. ... I saw a little light down the dark road!
I picked up sensed that Michael revealed his essence, his energy! Turned out ... step by step!
His genius is great! He planned to perfection the program versus Illuminati!
I was astonished..... he leaved pieces of bread as Tom Thumb in the forest!
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Michael Jackson is NOT dead: Hidden Messages In Arts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz7tsPGQ ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz7tsPGQbPQ&feature=related)
(http://www.youtube.com/user/MJalive999 (http://www.youtube.com/user/MJalive999))
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a) MISTERO italia1 26/08/2009 – 1/2/3^ Parte - [Chi voleva la morte di lady D?]:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHr60T-a0cE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHr60T-a0cE)
( http://www.youtube.com/user/luna0noire (http://www.youtube.com/user/luna0noire))
b) Rebus - JFK, La Cospirazione - Parte 1-2-3^ Parte:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgv7PYz98i4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgv7PYz98i4)
(http://www.youtube.com/user/mariorossinet (http://www.youtube.com/user/mariorossinet))
c) Avviso di John F. Kennedy - Le Società Segrete:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgv7PYz98i4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgv7PYz98i4)
(http://www.youtube.com/user/moksha75ar (http://www.youtube.com/user/moksha75ar))
d)John Fitzgerald Kennedy: Discorso sul Governo Occulto:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUF4K6qSDM4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUF4K6qSDM4)
(http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAb74 (http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAb74))
e) Progetto HAARP e terremoto in Abruzzo 1/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMTGTA0rAKs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMTGTA0rAKs)
(http://www.youtube.com/user/fanfra (http://www.youtube.com/user/fanfra))
f) Scie Chimiche La Tecnologia H A A R P:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtmmYbU6H2g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtmmYbU6H2g)
(http://www.youtube.com/user/Gunz84iron (http://www.youtube.com/user/Gunz84iron))
g) Inganno Globale - Torri Gemelle parte 1/5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYm4VKFQ ... =PlayList& (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYm4VKFQeMY&feature=PlayList&) p=E7C38676BFDC650C&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=3
(http://www.youtube.com/user/luogocomune (http://www.youtube.com/user/luogocomune))
h) Michael Jackson fra Verità, menzogne e cospirazione:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23bt-KIpTKo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23bt-KIpTKo)
(http://www.youtube.com/user/SignoraggioNetwork (http://www.youtube.com/user/SignoraggioNetwork))
i) Zeitgeist - The Movie: Federal Reserve (Part 1 of 5):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ)
(http://www.youtube.com/user/NullClothing (http://www.youtube.com/user/NullClothing)
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1. What are the biggest clues that makes you think he is still alive?
These are some of the evidence that Michael has left his fans, of all the things I've read in all the months of his absence.
a) Six months before June 25, 2009, there was talk of a bad state of health of Michael Jackson and an announcement of his death "Michael Jackson 6 months to life." Hmmm…. weird.
b) The press conference in London "Final Curtain" (something strange in those words, at that time for me)
c) Revelation of his kids to the public without masks before the death.
d) Death before starting his tour? Hmmm ... very suspicious!
e) Call 911
f ) The transport of his supposed body (ambulance, differences, movements in the helicopter)
g) Contradictions in the autopsy, contradictions in the words of Dr Murray
h) Staples Center Memorial (details with evidences) when I see it a second time
i) Funeral (lack of emotion from family and friends. Kenny Ortega smiling, as if to say: Good! we did it)
j) MJ is a very important celebrity in world, called me the attention to the beginning the mystery of his tomb and without identification. Actually his tomb is a mounted scene, something metaphorical.
k) MJ's photo with Kenny Ortega behind cameras. It is a very suggestive image.
"This is it" a film perfectly planned from the first moment, when I saw "This is it", I thought that was not the result of last rehearsals, was to send a message to the world.
l) The message after the credits in "This is it" suggests his return
m) Dave Dave (LKL)
n) Everything about Dr Murray, I think that is mounted scenes, a lot of time to solve a fact of the death and lack of solid answers.
Case Dr. Murray is postponed more and more, the new date is for June 14. It does not convince me.
2. Why did he do this?
Michael denounces with his art what happens in society
a)
Exposing media
Exposing the order of the Illuminati
Exposing the NWO (Alerting the world's population on this ongoing genocide that lies ahead for humanity. He wanted to warn us of what lies ahead as the world still governed by these secret societies).
He show us the deficiencies in many parts of the world
He wants to teach us with his messages, that we change our way of being and doing a better world
b) Because " This s it " was his dreamed and planned project
"It's a great adventure. We want to take them places that they've never been before. We want to show them talent like they've never seen before."
c) To continue spreading his philanthropic message (Peace, love, unit, freedom, charity, to take care of the planet, to take care of all the children of the world)
d) He need back to being the artist who has always been and re-recruiting his old and new fans.
e) To have peace in his life and peace to his kids and the world knows his truth
The media helped to discredit his image criticizing a person that the only thing that he did was to love the art, leave a message of love to the world, do charities. They destroyed his soul...
3. What do you believe needs to be done? How can we spread his message?
a) Putting into practice his message of the song "The Man in the Mirror"
b) Putting into practice what he teaches us with his deep messages (love, humanity, not to judge without knowing, caring for the planet, caring for children, to think for ourselves)
c) Spread his truth and love
d) Continue to spreading the NWO of the way he is teaching us.
4. Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.
Because I know him and I hear his songs from the 70s when I was 12 years old.
I love him and I'm your fan
I know the person and the artist that is Michael Jackson and always I believed in him.
I never believed in the lies of the media.
Few people pass through this life with so many good things, as I see in Michael.
He always worried about the world, children, the environment, has dedicated great part of his life to these causes. Each of us should take their example.
For me he is an example of effort, talent, love, solidarity, I am touched by his life, his achievements, their history, their dreams ...
He is a genius, has created his own style, is an artist in the whole sense of the word.
He transmits what he feels in a faithful way. His songs transmit peace and love.
The reason I am researching was to find the truth, know what really happened
From the beginning I started to doubt, I could not imagine Michael, consuming quantities of psychotropic drugs or intravenous administration of Propofol (LOL)
Hmmmm... was very strange to believe for anyone who knows him from years ago.
Michael raised her three children with love and they have been able to show the world their good upbringing and education.
My conclusion in the first time was "murder", although I had read some things about the hoax but did not wanted to get my hopes up without solid evidence.
Last September 2009, began to gain strength in me that he was alive.
Yeah Michael is Alive! I do not need more proof, feel him in my heart, I believe in Michael! its all for L.O.V.E.!!!
5. Post 1 (youtube) video of which you think is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues.
A lot of videos on youtube revealing the hoax!!!
It is difficult to select one especially, I will name a few to give you an idea
a) Michael Jackson, This Is Also It: 777 + 999 = Greatest Proof Hoax, Not Murder
b) Dave Dave on Larry King Live
c) MJ funeral
d) Brian Oxman confirms: Michael Jackson's ambulance picture is FAKE!
6. Post 1 (youtube) video or video series of a well known conspiracy of which you think is the most convincing (JFK, Lady Di, 9/11, Global warming, HAARP, federal reserve, MJ himself etc.)
Whats going on in the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfVfJFO5IXU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfVfJFO5IXU)
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- The reaction of the family to death.
- A lot off slip ups [youtube:1tjsbawo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31MJRv-ND9Y[/youtube:1tjsbawo]
- The lyrics changed at Memorial
- The film This is it, that are not rehearsals.
- This way to die is totally increible to Michael.
- The contradictions in the time that it happened after death.
- Death certificate and autopsy false. Always used a wrong name.
- Contradictions in images of the funeral.
- Photos chosen for the funeral (Liberian girl)
- Never named the death or the film or the script of the funeral (Celebration of the Life!!!!!)
- Michel said the last few years he was preparing a film. He would go himself. And he said the best was yet to come.
- Thisisalsoit.com: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-boro ... 37576.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/sony-to-release-this-is-i_b_337576.html)
- A lot of weird things more. For example: [youtube:1tjsbawo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12DQ-ojrVlQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:1tjsbawo]
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He tried to change the world but they cruelly stopped him. He wants us to know the truth. The truth makes you strong and free. He said he liked fims because they was carrying other situations what better than a real life movie in which all participate, is a great idea, feel it all with intensity, pain, hope, disbelief, surprise, excitement, simply wonderful . A genius
I love this video: [youtube:1tjsbawo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CmqdwVDxcI&playnext_from=TL&videos=5y0TFLtDspM[/youtube:1tjsbawo]
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Becoming a better person. Making others know who is really Michael, there are many myths and lies. It must be known to be an angel. I´m trying to do a blog in Spain so more people know the thuth. It will be to believers and not, for fans and for those who do not know yet.
I think it would be interesting to make a powerpoint to send mass email, that way if people do not seek information to find. All this would reach more people. But I don´t do that : (
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I was struck by the news of his death. Everything was illogical to me. And I have to say that I at that time I was not a fan, did not know much about it.
From that day on I became interested in him and discovered the best artist and human being that ever walked the earth.
The photo of the ambulance was the beginning of my research and I confirmed that the video was all very strange. Things began to not add up.
That was the beginning, I can now say that my life changed 100%. Never find a way to thank Michael enough.
5. [youtube:1tjsbawo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDnxSXyvjkQ[/youtube:1tjsbawo]
6. Dreadfull and scary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grHpyyfT ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grHpyyfTbpQ&feature=related)
LOVE
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What are the biggest clues that makes you think he is still alive?
-Ambulance picture
-Helicopter video. The brancard is out of the van. A bodybag is on the brancard. One of the employees throws the bag back in the van and another brancard with something like a surfboard wrapped in sheets is coming out of the helicopter. You do not need a real bodybag for that.
[youtube:1x666hvw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lC90CfHBeA[/youtube:1x666hvw]
-not (immediately) mentioning MJ on the r.i.p. list from the grammy's and tmz
-the release of the pepsi burn video after his "death"and not mentioning the scar on the autopsy report
-Dave Dave
-Jackson brother driving to the wrong cementary.
- The family is not grieving. etc. etc.
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7118/premieresonypicturesarr.jpg)
2.
Why did he do this? We know he wants to wake people up, but explain exactly why you think he did this. Come up with good stuff about all the shit he is trying to expose, recent things from the news that made you go hmmm, you name it.
3.
What do you believe needs to be done? How can we spread his message?
4.
Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.
I doubted his death after I had seen the movie. Not because of the hidden clues, i didn't knew anything about that. I liked him in the seventy's and the eighty's but I diddn't pay much attention to him till he died. After the movie I realized that there was something wrong, I expected a sick depressed MJ. So I started with youtube, watching the documentary's, listening to his songs and read the comments from youtubbers. Some of them were very interesting. Than the hoax video's and finally this website
5.
Post 1 (youtube) video of which you think is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues.
6.
Post 1 (youtube) video or video series of a well known conspiracy of which you think is the most convincing (JFK, Lady Di, 9/11, Global warming, HAARP, federal reserve, MJ himself etc.)
[youtube:1x666hvw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0HuxdHJDeE[/youtube:1x666hvw]