Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: MJmakesmespeechless on May 08, 2010, 01:01:21 PM
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Stop it at 0:23
Is that Jason P in the background?
[youtube:1f6vrc4b]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml8xkVKF8qU&feature=channel[/youtube:1f6vrc4b]
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I THINK SO.... :roll:
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Yes.. and that aint Kleins office, is it????
Maybe its true... why were people so quick to silence Jason???
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Maybe its true... why were people so quick to silence Jason???
What do you mean? That he had a relationship with Jason?
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No it isnt at AK's office
Anastasia is a Salon in Beverly Hills that stars use
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Maybe its true... why were people so quick to silence Jason???
What do you mean? That he had a relationship with Jason?
How do i know? I wasnt there.. but i find it interesting how people quickly shut Jason down at the mere suggestion MJ may have been gay. I would have preferred to hear Jasons story and the evidence he said he had. Now he has been silenced we may never know.
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Maybe its true... why were people so quick to silence Jason???
What do you mean? That he had a relationship with Jason?
How do i know? I wasnt there.. but i find it interesting how people quickly shut Jason down at the mere suggestion MJ may have been gay. I would have preferred to hear Jasons story and the evidence he said he had. Now he has been silenced we may never know.
Because if he'd been Michael's lover and soulmate, there shouldn't be a story. He would keep it to himself, 'cause that's very much what Michael would've wanted, otherwise he would've made it public while he was alive. (If he's dead.) Nobody in their right mind would exploit their loved one like that for some 15 minutes of fame or money.
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Nobody in their right mind would exploit their loved one like that for some 15 minutes of fame or money.
Unless they wanted to gage a reaction.
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Yes.. and that aint Kleins office, is it????
Maybe its true... why were people so quick to silence Jason???
And maybe it's not true. They could have just been friends or maybe one of them was making introductions to another. Just because you have a gay or lesbian friend doesn't mean you are. My best friend was a lesbian for 10 years. I'm NOT a lesbian.
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Maybe its true... why were people so quick to silence Jason???
What do you mean? That he had a relationship with Jason?
How do i know? I wasnt there.. but i find it interesting how people quickly shut Jason down at the mere suggestion MJ may have been gay. I would have preferred to hear Jasons story and the evidence he said he had. Now he has been silenced we may never know.
Because if he'd been Michael's lover and soulmate, there shouldn't be a story. He would keep it to himself, 'cause that's very much what Michael would've wanted, otherwise he would've made it public while he was alive. (If he's dead.) Nobody in their right mind would exploit their loved one like that for some 15 minutes of fame or money.
I agree. There shouldn't be a story. Even it was true, he told this story to validate his self worth - at Michael's expense. When your friend tells you something they don't want anyone to know, you take it to the grave. You don't blab 2 minutes after they die. I'm exaggerating, but it wasn't too long after [2 months was it?] Michael left that he told his story. What about Michael's children? Did Jason give them a thought? I won't repeat the nasty words I'm thinking right now. My clients talk to me all the time. They want to talk. They are not friends, but they trust me not to repeat. I don't repeat.
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I have friends who are gay / lesbian. We go to lunch together and sometimes just chill as friends. Just because Michael is in a cam shot with this Jason doesn't prove a darn thing, lol. He never said he didn't know him did he?
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I don't know Michael personally, and even though I wish I did, it doesn't change the fact that none of us really know him. If Michael likes guys, then so be it. It's not fair to just shoot everything that's different down since it seems highly unlikely to us. I mean what if he really is...it's almost like disrespecting him, in my opinion.
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There are also several pictures on mjjpictures with Jason in the background.
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If Jason was as close to MJ as he stated then why give the media more fuel??? We all know MJ disliked the media and I'm almost positive MJ would not want stories of his sexuality printed in every aspect of news, which is exactly what is happening! If MJ wanted the world to know wheteher he was straight, gay or whatever; I'm sure we would know by now; not almost a year after his last public appearance! AND, does it really matter Jason... Go get your 15 minutes of fame elsewhere...
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Another crazy article I came across:
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.actio ... 4978213716 (http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978213716).
the 4th paragraph is down right ignorant and the author should appologize, but it was the last paragraph that caught my attention. It seems as if the article is talking directly to MJ as if he is reading it...the part where the ignorant author compares him to Shakespeare. The word believe is also used in the same sentence as if the ignorant author does not believe what "they" say about Shakespeare being gay... The 2nd sentence is quite compelling too - the ignorant author states that "the truth lies somewhere in between." Is this sentence telling us there are lies in the middle until the truth prevails???
At the bottom of the article you see the source listed as http://www.tmz.com (http://www.tmz.com)! hmmmmmmm....
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Yeah that's him in the background but so what? I think MJ was just that guys friend. I feel Jason may have been romantically attracted to Michael but the feeling wasn't mutual. MJ probably just hanging out with him just like he hang out with Chris Tucker or Akon. MJ probably just liked the fact that he had someone to talk to since he was so lonely. I know I am a heterosexual female and I've had two of my female friends make romantic remarks towards me but I was like um no I don't think so. However I'm still their friend but I love men. No disrespect to anyone. I like how MJ has the big umbrella in front of him with the big pointy metal piece sticking out. Not to be mean but the way those camera guys were in his face I probably would have taken that umbrella and wiped out some of those cameras.lol That guy at the end sounds all goofy saying I wanna be like Mike.
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Nobody in their right mind would exploit their loved one like that for some 15 minutes of fame or money.
Unless they wanted to gage a reaction.
True. It might be that this story - like others before - also serves a dual purpose.
Visualising Michael himself as "the puppetmaster", we should at least consider the possibility that this could be intended as well...
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I don't know Michael personally, and even though I wish I did, it doesn't change the fact that none of us really know him. If Michael likes guys, then so be it. It's not fair to just shoot everything that's different down since it seems highly unlikely to us. I mean what if he really is...it's almost like disrespecting him, in my opinion.
I don't think people shoot it down because it's different.
They shoot it down because everything points to that he is lying.
Familymembers, close friends -- they all say that it's not true.
Jason has been around Michael, so ofcourse we can find both vids and pictures
of the two of them. But it was Arnie Klein and Jason fooling around, not J+M.
They twisted the story for personal gain and that's really sad.
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I think we all just need to move on from this whole "MJ is/isn't gay" thing. All we are doing by staying on it the way it has been lately is fueling the ugliness of the media right now. If Michael chose to be with men in his life, that's his decision and it should be none of our business. But at the same time, Michael himself has stated that he is not gay. So I think we need to take Michael's word for it and move on instead of dwelling on this. It's not really helping anything or anyone. :)
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I think we all just need to move on from this whole "MJ is/isn't gay" thing. All we are doing by staying on it the way it has been lately is fueling the ugliness of the media right now. If Michael chose to be with men in his life, that's his decision and it should be none of our business. But at the same time, Michael himself has stated that he is not gay. So I think we need to take Michael's word for it and move on instead of dwelling on this. It's not really helping anything or anyone. :)
Very, very true. For once we have his own words
in the matter, and we should just believe what he said.
And his sexual orientation is not at all hoax-related,
and the hoax is what we are investigating, isn't it? :)
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I don't know Michael personally, and even though I wish I did, it doesn't change the fact that none of us really know him. If Michael likes guys, then so be it. It's not fair to just shoot everything that's different down since it seems highly unlikely to us. I mean what if he really is...it's almost like disrespecting him, in my opinion.
I don't think people shoot it down because it's different.
They shoot it down because everything points to that he is lying.
Familymembers, close friends -- they all say that it's not true.
Jason has been around Michael, so ofcourse we can find both vids and pictures
of the two of them. But it was Arnie Klein and Jason fooling around, not J+M.
They twisted the story for personal gain and that's really sad.
Yeah, that could be true. But I'm just saying that no one really knows anything for sure. I also just don't want to judge them and jump to conclusions.
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I wouldn't look into this to much. I don't think I proves anything.
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Yes.. and that aint Kleins office, is it????
Maybe its true... why were people so quick to silence Jason???
And maybe it's not true. They could have just been friends or maybe one of them was making introductions to another. Just because you have a gay or lesbian friend doesn't mean you are. My best friend was a lesbian for 10 years. I'm NOT a lesbian.
You're friend WAS a lesbian for 10 years? I'm confused, please do explain.
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I think people are getting worked up over this video for no reason.
I believe Anasatasia's is in the same building complex as Dr. Klein's office, with the salon on the Bedford Drive side and Dr. Klein's of the Roxbury Drive side. Jason was probably just leading the entourage down to the garage.
Or maybe everybody popped over to Anasatsia's first for a nice eyebrow wax ;)
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Where was Mike himself? Maybe I missed him in that video?
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Yes.. and that aint Kleins office, is it????
Maybe its true... why were people so quick to silence Jason???
And maybe it's not true. They could have just been friends or maybe one of them was making introductions to another. Just because you have a gay or lesbian friend doesn't mean you are. My best friend was a lesbian for 10 years. I'm NOT a lesbian.
You're friend WAS a lesbian for 10 years? I'm confused, please do explain.
I'm also confused with this one...
Where was Mike himself? Maybe I missed him in that video?
True...How can we tell it's Michael????I don't see him either... ;)
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Yes.. and that aint Kleins office, is it????
Maybe its true... why were people so quick to silence Jason???
Okay, I'm going to try to say this again another way.
Klein's office is on the opposite side of the same building complex as Anastasia's. I'm pretty sure they share the same underground garage space. (And that first BG looks like MJ's Alvarez, so that plus the amount of paps there leads me to believe MJ - or a double - was there.)
In other words... sometimes MJ was just a man trying to get back to his car.
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I wouldn't be concerned about this. A. Klein is there too. It's hard to catch him, but you can get glimpses of him at 13-16 seconds. My computer always plays video clips very slowly so it can easily take me 5 minutes to watch a 1 minute clip. That is how I was able to see AK so well. The computer paused right at the second where he is the most visible. Maybe all 3 of them were going somewhere together?
Peace
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It is true that video is not Michael, it also proves nothing.
Well if you get to see a video of Michael next to Ricky Martin, confirmed that something? 8-)
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Well, Ricky Martin just only recently came out with his news.
I personally never thought of Michael Jackson as being gay, but
that not my place to say one way or the other.
HOWEVER, whether Michael or Double, he seems to be
HAPPY when he with this Jason. Maybe they just good friends,
and guy took it the wrong way, maybe there is more.
Michael or "double" never did seem happy or overjoyed with
that one blond chick, so please don't throw that morose picture
up again as proof. :oops:
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Zen I put as an example, imginate this man saying that Michael is gay .. and the appearance of a photo or video with Richy Martin. I do not take advantage sensationalist media to keep talking more shit that is spoken? ;)
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It is true that video is not Michael, it also proves nothing.
Well if you get to see a video of Michael next to Ricky Martin, confirmed that something? 8-)
I forgot all about Ricky Martin.
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Yes.. and that aint Kleins office, is it????
Maybe its true... why were people so quick to silence Jason???
And maybe it's not true. They could have just been friends or maybe one of them was making introductions to another. Just because you have a gay or lesbian friend doesn't mean you are. My best friend was a lesbian for 10 years. I'm NOT a lesbian.
You're friend WAS a lesbian for 10 years? I'm confused, please do explain.
I'm also confused with this one...
Where was Mike himself? Maybe I missed him in that video?
True...How can we tell it's Michael????I don't see him either... ;)
I don't know how else to put it. She lived that lifestyle for 10 years and went back to men. I didn't like her girlfriend of 10 years either. I will never forget the day they started dating. She's happily married now to a man.
On Michael....you can tell it's Michael by three things..the papps, the umbrella and Mr. Alverez.
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Where was Mike himself? Maybe I missed him in that video?
Under the umbrella most likely.
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Yes.. and that aint Kleins office, is it????
Maybe its true... why were people so quick to silence Jason???
And maybe it's not true. They could have just been friends or maybe one of them was making introductions to another. Just because you have a gay or lesbian friend doesn't mean you are. My best friend was a lesbian for 10 years. I'm NOT a lesbian.
You're friend WAS a lesbian for 10 years? I'm confused, please do explain.
I'm also confused with this one...
Where was Mike himself? Maybe I missed him in that video?
True...How can we tell it's Michael????I don't see him either... ;)
I don't know how else to put it. She lived that lifestyle for 10 years and went back to men. I didn't like her girlfriend of 10 years either. I will never forget the day they started dating. She's happily married now to a man.
On Michael....you can tell it's Michael by three things..the papps, the umbrella and Mr. Alverez.
I see. Although I believe people don't really need labels I'd say your friend's bi just as simple as that ;) . Being gay is not a lifestyle.
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Can someone put the link to the video, I can't see it! Ahh! ha
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Yes.. and that aint Kleins office, is it????
Maybe its true... why were people so quick to silence Jason???
And maybe it's not true. They could have just been friends or maybe one of them was making introductions to another. Just because you have a gay or lesbian friend doesn't mean you are. My best friend was a lesbian for 10 years. I'm NOT a lesbian.
You're friend WAS a lesbian for 10 years? I'm confused, please do explain.
I'm also confused with this one...
Where was Mike himself? Maybe I missed him in that video?
True...How can we tell it's Michael????I don't see him either... ;)
I don't know how else to put it. She lived that lifestyle for 10 years and went back to men. I didn't like her girlfriend of 10 years either. I will never forget the day they started dating. She's happily married now to a man.
On Michael....you can tell it's Michael by three things..the papps, the umbrella and Mr. Alverez.
I see. Although I believe people don't really need labels I'd say your friend's bi just as simple as that ;) . Being gay is not a lifestyle.
No, she's hetro. You'll just have to take my word on that. She's such a truely lovely person too. She's one of those rare one of a kind that you run into in life. We've been friends for 27 years and I've yet to meet anyone else like here - like Michael is one of a kind. "lifestyle" depends on your point of view.
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Does Michael's sexuality has anything to do with hoax theory :? Anyway, seeing Jason close to MJ doesn't mean they were sharing more than that...I appear on many pictures with men...Doesn't mean they are my lovers. I know a few homosexual girls, and we go to their house, and have dinner with them, and i'm not going out with any of them.
It's not a disease ! You actually can be seen with an homosexual without becoming "one of them" (OMG, I feel I'm talking about zombie or something like that :lol: ) Why would the fact of being seen together would make any proof about this guy's story...I mean, if i had any video about me close to Michael Jackson, and if I was willing to be famous, I would surely use it as a proof...I mean, the story is made upon those "prooves", and not the other way.
I guess this guy had a crush on Michael (is this the way to say it ?) and I'm sure anytime Michael showed up in the building he tried to stand close to him. We always see him "backstage/following"...I don't believe his story, which doesn't mean I wouldn't believe Michael could be gay.
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I guess this guy had a crush on Michael (is this the way to say it ?) and I'm sure anytime Michael showed up in the building he tried to stand close to him. We always see him "backstage/following"...
Co-sign.
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Where was Mike himself? Maybe I missed him in that video?
Good eye Souza - you never actually see him - just the umbrella he's supposed to be behind. That was my first thought too.
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Not to hijack this thread, but I am loving how Michael is wearing a Smurf t-shirt in this pic. It's a "smurfy" shirt! :D
La La lalalala, La lalalala.
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Not to hijack this thread, but I am loving how Michael is wearing a Smurf t-shirt in this pic. It's a "smurfy" shirt! :D
La La lalalala, La lalalala.
:lol: ouh, I just noticed ! So cute :D
I think only Michael can were a Smurf T-Shirt (in french "Schtroumpf") and a jacket like this one, and a black mask, and still look so beautiful...Or maybe we have an alteration of our senses because of love :mrgreen: ....hum..NO ! It's actually cute !
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Now obviously we don't know Mike personally, but I would love him the same whether he was gay or not. But then again, him hanging out with Jason Pfeiffer doesn't mean he is gay...how do we know that Jason isn't in on the hoax and making these stories up fior the sake of the hoax...? I personally do not "THINK" Mike is/was gay because his family said he wasn't and I am just not "convinced" but, this whole gay lover with jason could either be, jason turning his back on mike and making stories up, it could be true, or it could have something to do with the hoax. WE UNFORTUNATELY DONT KNOW :( lol