Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on May 05, 2010, 01:10:25 PM
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Credit goes to MJOne at .net for this find!!! WOWWERS!!!
Here is the link to the thread on .net
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/ ... =64&t=7492 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=7492)
MJOne: I mentioned a while ago that I'd seen some strange posts on http://www.michaeljackson.com (http://www.michaeljackson.com) during the early months of last year, before June 25th.
I went searching for it in March this year. I haven't posted them here yet, but I will now.
One was asking what would we do if Michael died and another was this.. posted on March 17 2009.
'limits if exploitation happens to an artist you are fan of?'
I think that we as fans of Michael feel there are limits to what we allow to happen to the artist we are fan of. When he get's wrongly accused we react. Like when the tabloids made wrong allegations about his skin, fans made youtube films to explain the thruth. When the allegations of child abuse came there were protest all around the world from those believing in his honesty.
But what if he would be to ill to perform while you have already payed. Let's say as a hypothetical situation a similar sort of thing would happen to Michael now as happened to Elvis years ago.
So let's say, we as fans witnessed a pressconference of Michael's bodyguards on television saying Michael is ill and that most of his money is gone. And because there are debts and contracts in which Michael has obligated himself to do a concerttour, Michael feels he has to appear on stage although that means he has to be filled with painkillers or other medicine. Although it is obvious to all people present in the concerthall that he should be in his bed, nobody of the management decides to cancel the show because of the financial consequenses. For those with no imagination to what it can look like, watch the last liveshows of Elvis.
Would you as a fan then feel obligated to do anything about it? I mean do you think going on stage filled with painkillers or other medicine is a price famous people have to pay? Or would you then be willing to let Michael have the ticketmoney to make sure that he could take a rest but then still could pay off the contractobligations?.
I for me think I would not have any problem with giving Michael my ticketmoney if a situation like that apeared. I would not like to go to any show where a performer had to ignore his health in such a matter he has to be filled up with painkillers or whatever pills because contracts say he should appear.
http://www.michaeljackson.com/fi/conten ... ou-are-fan (http://www.michaeljackson.com/fi/content/limits-if-exploitation-happens-artist-you-are-fan)
Before anyone says..I know the autopsy stated he was NOT full of painkillers, in fact there were lots from prescriptions that he hadn't touched. So, not counting that comment, but look at the rest of the post isn't it strange someone was saying something like this in March last year?
I'm not making any statement, I'm just saying, it freaks me out that something of this type was posted at all before 25th June.
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Do you know who posted this? Could it have been someone that knew what was going to happen and they were trying to guage the reactions of the fans if they decided to pull this off. It has so many facts in it that actually happened, it just couldn't be coincidence.
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:shock:
THIS IS ODD!!!
WHY SOMEONE DID SAY THAT???
I´M CONFUSED... :(
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That's....weird. :shock:
And this was posted before June? :o
Interesting.
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here is the link to the post
http://www.michaeljackson.com/fi/conten ... ou-are-fan (http://www.michaeljackson.com/fi/content/limits-if-exploitation-happens-artist-you-are-fan)
I dont know who it is...but a few on .net have said that maybe "someone" was "testing the waters"...???????
Its VERY strange indeed. And Ian Halperin saying MJ had six months to live and the fake radio mjis dead joke. ALL of it is too weird...
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:shock: :shock: :shock:
It has so many facts in it that actually happened, it just couldn't be coincidence.
I agree with you... This is strange..
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This one is also really weird...
Joined: Mar 2009
Netherlands Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 21:31
LadyX: to KateluvsMJ
(http://www.michaeljackson.com/sites/mjackson/files/imagecache/icon_large/pictures/picture-62255.jpg)
As far as I know the deathcertificate of Elvis stated he died of natural causes. Elvis was not a hard drugs addict who stuck needles in his own arm. He felt very strongly against harddrugs. Elvis got descriped medicine from a docter. To those medicine he got addicted. He was also overweigt.
Also a good reason why he could have had a heartattack.
He would have attended to his health better if he had not felt obligated to the people around him to keep performing. Because he was a very sweet man. He had agreed to take a rest but before he could take the rest, he died. That is the story as I know it.
I am not naive. If you read my words properly, I do not say anywhere that I think that Michael looks like there is something wrong with his health. (Apart from the fact he has Vitiligo)
I have raised a HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION here, saying IF IT APPEARS that Michael feels oblicated to perform but can't because of his health are we then willing to let him have the money.
That is not negativism, that would be a very positive action towards Michael.
I don´t know if that´s negativism... but I´m sure it´s kinda predictional :shock:
Joined: Mar 2009
Netherlands Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 19:03
LadyX: to siedah:
are you sure there is an examination?
Would these people of the O2 Arena go so far as to ask him to hand over medical files? Why would they care if he is really healthy? Michael is renting the Arena for 50 concerts, so he has to pay them.
You say they are investing in Michael. What are they investing in Michael? When he would be sick i'm sure they have some clause that he still has to pay them because they can not have any other artist perform on such a short notice.
Off course Michael would not willingly sign a death-contract, Elvis believed he did not either.
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I dont know who it is...but a few on .net have said that maybe "someone" was "testing the waters"...???????
my thoughts exactly
too coincidental to be just a coincidence...
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Wow...from what I saw not many were willing to give over their money to Michael but I didn't read them all. That being said, the person who posted that original comment was from the Netherlands. Hmm...interesting.
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Wow...from what I saw not many were willing to give over their money to Michael but I didn't read them all. That being said, the person who posted that original comment was from the Netherlands. Hmm...interesting.
you have a PM.
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Wow, great find - now this is really weird. To be honest, I´m not sure what to make of it... Either fans were worried about him, and if he was healthy enough to do the concerts, or someone was really testing it out...
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Yeah from the Netherlands, I saw that too. Makes me also go hmmmmm.
I found this part of what she said also very interesting:
James Brown died in december 2006 so that is about 2 years ago Michael reminded himself that he could share the same faith. Well at least that is something hopefull.
I thought about this also, he knew what happened to JB, so would he still let this happen to himself?
Would he do that to his 3 children who he loved so much?
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Hmm, I don't think this is weird at all. This is what people have been believing about Michael all along. Everybody knew he used to be addicted to prespription medication, there was stuff found when they raided his house in 2003 as well, so people guessed he was taking medication again or still taking it. And a lot of people thought he was ill and frail and broke, but that concerts would be his only way to pay his debts. So... In my opinion, if you look at Michael's last 10 or 20 years, it all had to come to this. It had to. And he must've known. So he either didn't know what to do about it and did die... or... he knew what to do about it. And you know the option.
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Isn't there a kind of insurance paying in case of the artist dies or is ill enough to not be able to do the shows ? Because I really don't know what to make of these posts. It's intriguing but it doesn't fit with the idea and the purpose I've put around this hoax. I really think that Michael didn't do that for money and I hardly believe that he would have asked his fans "to pay for him". Even if I would do it if Michael asked for help but it's seems to be far from the truth to me. If we see that Michael is exploited we should demonstrate and not pay the ones who exploit him. Just a thought as always.
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here is the link to the post
http://www.michaeljackson.com/fi/conten ... ou-are-fan (http://www.michaeljackson.com/fi/content/limits-if-exploitation-happens-artist-you-are-fan)
I dont know who it is...but a few on .net have said that maybe "someone" was "testing the waters"...???????
Its VERY strange indeed. And Ian Halperin saying MJ had six months to live and the fake radio mjis dead joke. ALL of it is too weird...
This post is really strange. It sorta reminds me of BACK and Mystery 777 posts too that had some cryptic posts that points to what is going on now but they were posted way before June 25, 2009. I am wondering who was testing the waters and why.
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Hmm weird cause they don't just ask the 'what if' question but they go all in detail about painkillers, heartattacks... :?
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Hmm weird cause they don't just ask the 'what if' question but they go all in detail about painkillers, heartattacks... :?
Even the bodyguards speaking out...that's what got me.
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Hey, this is toooo weird... how did you find this old thread?
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This sounds so much like Cassandra -you know when she said she had this message from Michael, something like "if I tried to do the shows I would have died for sure"
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
I am so nervous... what if Cassandra was not a fake after all?
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One was asking what would we do if Michael died and another was this.. posted on March 17 2009.
Joined: Mar 2009
United Kingdom
Monday, March 1, 2010 - 22:27
Rockin.:
Re: limits if exploitation happens to an artist you are fan of?
This was posted march 17... :/ ermmmmmmmmm what the ?! Ther is another thread I remember which is similar asking 'what would we do if michael died' sorry but its too strange.
changed the date, 1 March 2010
Concert announcement had not yet been made
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This made my day really.
It's just too weird.
The person who posted the thread is still registered there but she's not active anymore.
And the way she describes the hypothetical situation with his bodyguards who would have came on a show and announce Michael is very ill..... I don't know, maybe I am wrong, but sounds like a plan to me.... a plan which was abandoned because you saw people's reaction to the idea - most of them said NO about giving away the ticket money.
And after that maybe Michael decided it's better to "die" if the fans expected him fo perform even if he was ill... fans who failed the test ?
Just sayin'
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well, actually the people who bought tickets were given the choice of whether to get their money back or receive some exclusive memorial material to keep.
the 'hypothesis' describes what really happened, imo. with all this money rolling into the estate now, everybody is getting paid! all the debts are taken care of and mike has the time away from everything to recover. i could imagine that he did not meet his own expectations in the end, apart from possibly not being in the physical shape to pull off 50 shows after all, so this is why he had to 'die'. if mike just had 'called in sick', there would have been no peace for him but even more pressure to recover and do the contracted shows. now he got all the time in the world, like never before.
it does look a lot like 'testing the waters' and after that, a decision was made on how to satisfy everyone's claims. so far, no financial damage is done.
legal loopholes, i say... :mrgreen:
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i wonder about all the ticket stuff, did anyone actually get their money back ??? ive heard nothing of it, nobody even having the proper ticket.
and i just realised that ive got a friend whos friend had tickets to to and see TII, i wonder what she done with them :lol:
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here is the link to the post
http://www.michaeljackson.com/fi/conten ... ou-are-fan (http://www.michaeljackson.com/fi/content/limits-if-exploitation-happens-artist-you-are-fan)
I dont know who it is...but a few on .net have said that maybe "someone" was "testing the waters"...???????
Its VERY strange indeed. And Ian Halperin saying MJ had six months to live and the fake radio mjis dead joke. ALL of it is too weird...
Hm...this lady is member there since MArch 11th...hm, This can't be a coincidence....What if this isn't even a lady? I don't even think that this person, which is decribed in the profile even exists.
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i wonder about all the ticket stuff, did anyone actually get their money back ??? ive heard nothing of it, nobody even having the proper ticket.
and i just realised that ive got a friend whos friend had tickets to to and see TII, i wonder what she done with them :lol:
Im not sure, but I think I heard most people wanted to let go of their money and keep the ticket as a keepsake.
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perhaps the whole thing is in some effort to make people aware of these companies practically own these people and change it . we little pee-on's think we have it bad .
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perhaps the whole thing is in some effort to make people aware of these companies practically own these people and change it . we little pee-on's think we have it bad .
It makes you wonder how we are being manipulated, doesn't it?
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i wonder about all the ticket stuff, did anyone actually get their money back ??? ive heard nothing of it, nobody even having the proper ticket.
and i just realised that ive got a friend whos friend had tickets to to and see TII, i wonder what she done with them :lol:
Im not sure, but I think I heard most people wanted to let go of their money and keep the ticket as a keepsake.
like i posted earlier: you could either get your money back by the ticket-id or receive a 'memorial package' with the original ticket (some elaborate holograph printing on it, very pretty and stylish) and some other material. like the memorial booklet (funny that they had some 'left over'...thought it was sold out?) and a 'this is it' cd or something. but i've seen nothing like a tour t-shirt or something, so it looked kinda flimsy altogether. i don't think anyone had a physical ticket when buying it online, usually you get a code sent to you and then pick up the tickets at the counter. as far as i understood, nobody ever saw a ticket before that. i saw that on youtube somewhere, when someone opened that package with the cam running, and he had bought tickets but only saw it for the first time when he received that package. now, with what was in the package, i doubt that the worth of that represented the ticket price, meaning: more money to keep, since they already collected for the tickets. cuz every die hard fan would very probably opt for the memorial package instead of the refund. business...it's not only all for l.o.v.e., it's all about the money, too, and legal loopholes, of course... :mrgreen:
but with that option, it's everybody's own decision what they do. no damage done... :mrgreen:
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I got my money back three times.
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this is what i have found regarding the ticket issue. aeg is makin' money left and right!
and it's a rip-off!!! :evil:
from wiki:
AEG has also been accused of attempting to profit from the death of Michael Jackson, who was due to perform at London's 02 Arena in 2009/2010. While refunds of the approximately 750,000 tickets (at £55–£75 each plus £9 booking fee per ticket) are available to customers that request it, the promoter has offered to send out "souvenir" tickets providing fans of the singer waive their right to the refund.[6]
Many fans believe this is an unfair proposal as customers were already due to receive the tickets, and had paid to attend the concerts. They therefore feel that a souvenir tickets is an unsuitable and expensive substitute for the live performance, and that a partial refund should also be offered, or that the monies raised donated to a charity.
The company estimates that between 40–50% of its customers will request the original tickets in lieu of the refund, which will save the company $40 million in refunds. This is in addition to future profits from any material that forms a part of the "This Is It" concerts - the intellectual property of AEG.[7]
there you have it...monkey business! big time!
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I got my money back three times.
? You paid once but submitted for refund three times? I'm speechless.
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this is what i have found regarding the ticket issue. aeg is makin' money left and right!
and it's a rip-off!!! :evil:
from wiki:
AEG has also been accused of attempting to profit from the death of Michael Jackson, who was due to perform at London's 02 Arena in 2009/2010. While refunds of the approximately 750,000 tickets (at £55–£75 each plus £9 booking fee per ticket) are available to customers that request it, the promoter has offered to send out "souvenir" tickets providing fans of the singer waive their right to the refund.[6]
Many fans believe this is an unfair proposal as customers were already due to receive the tickets, and had paid to attend the concerts. They therefore feel that a souvenir tickets is an unsuitable and expensive substitute for the live performance, and that a partial refund should also be offered, or that the monies raised donated to a charity.
The company estimates that between 40–50% of its customers will request the original tickets in lieu of the refund, which will save the company $40 million in refunds. This is in addition to future profits from any material that forms a part of the "This Is It" concerts - the intellectual property of AEG.[7]
there you have it...monkey business! big time!
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so would this be proof that real fans bought tickets or just hearsay .i was thinking ,depending on who's a part of it and who the hoaxmaster is that it could some how be set up to instantly look like all the dates are sold out so no one could really get a ticket.of course that would also depend on the purpose. datroot say they got money back three times but could just be playing. i dunno. or i could be even crazier than my husband thinks.
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this is what i have found regarding the ticket issue. aeg is makin' money left and right!
and it's a rip-off!!! :evil:
from wiki:
AEG has also been accused of attempting to profit from the death of Michael Jackson, who was due to perform at London's 02 Arena in 2009/2010. While refunds of the approximately 750,000 tickets (at £55–£75 each plus £9 booking fee per ticket) are available to customers that request it, the promoter has offered to send out "souvenir" tickets providing fans of the singer waive their right to the refund.[6]
Many fans believe this is an unfair proposal as customers were already due to receive the tickets, and had paid to attend the concerts. They therefore feel that a souvenir tickets is an unsuitable and expensive substitute for the live performance, and that a partial refund should also be offered, or that the monies raised donated to a charity.
The company estimates that between 40–50% of its customers will request the original tickets in lieu of the refund, which will save the company $40 million in refunds. This is in addition to future profits from any material that forms a part of the "This Is It" concerts - the intellectual property of AEG.[7]
there you have it...monkey business! big time!
:mrgreen:
so would this be proof that real fans bought tickets or just hearsay .i was thinking ,depending on who's a part of it and who the hoaxmaster is that it could some how be set up to instantly look like all the dates are sold out so no one could really get a ticket.of course that would also depend on the purpose. datroot say they got money back three times but could just be playing. i dunno. or i could be even crazier than my husband thinks.
I THINK THAT THE SOLD OUT DATES ARE ONLY TEN
THE OTHERS 40 :roll:
I THINK THAT MAYBE THEY MAKE MONEY OF THE "SUPOSSED 40 OTHER DATES" IN SOME WAY... I DON´T KNOW HOW, BUT I THINK THAT "MONKEY BUSINESS" LIKE TABLOIBURN WROTE, WAS MADE!
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so would this be proof that real fans bought tickets or just hearsay .i was thinking ,depending on who's a part of it and who the hoaxmaster is that it could some how be set up to instantly look like all the dates are sold out so no one could really get a ticket.of course that would also depend on the purpose. datroot say they got money back three times but could just be playing. i dunno. or i could be even crazier than my husband thinks.
it does say that nobody received a ticket before. it's in the middle part. they were due to receive the tickets and then they were told they could only get the ticket (plus some merch) when they WAIVED the right to a refund. that means once you agree to get the ticket (which you should have gotten anyway, regardless of a refund), you will not get your ticket money back! that applies at least for the online sale. i don't know if it was even possible to get a physical ticket anywhere else, like a box office.
when you buy your ticket at a box office, you get your concert ticket and when the concert doesn't happen you claim your refund with the ticket code that is on the ticket you already have and get your money back or the ticket will be valid for a substiute gig by the same artist. in this case, the concerts simply didn't happen and won't.
so, in my opinion, there should have never been an option to get a 'memorial ticket', which was the actual concert ticket, not a special edition of some sort, OR your money back. everybody with a code should have received their ticket regardless of a refund claim, cuz they already paid for it! that way they got something they already paid for and some left over memorial booklets and a cd... :roll: great! means you paid some enormous sum for a booklet with pics anybody can download on the net and a cd that cost € 15,00. how exclusive... :roll:
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so would this be proof that real fans bought tickets or just hearsay .i was thinking ,depending on who's a part of it and who the hoaxmaster is that it could some how be set up to instantly look like all the dates are sold out so no one could really get a ticket.of course that would also depend on the purpose. datroot say they got money back three times but could just be playing. i dunno. or i could be even crazier than my husband thinks.
it does say that nobody received a ticket before. it's in the middle part. they were due to receive the tickets and then they were told they could only get the ticket (plus some merch) when they WAIVED the right to a refund. that means once you agree to get the ticket (which you should have gotten anyway, regardless of a refund), you will not get your ticket money back! that applies at least for the online sale. i don't know if it was even possible to get a physical ticket anywhere else, like a box office.
when you buy your ticket at a box office, you get your concert ticket and when the concert doesn't happen you claim your refund with the ticket code that is on the ticket you already have and get your money back or the ticket will be valid for a substiute gig by the same artist. in this case, the concerts simply didn't happen and won't.
so, in my opinion, there should have never been an option to get a 'memorial ticket', which was the actual concert ticket, not a special edition of some sort, OR your money back. everybody with a code should have received their ticket regardless of a refund claim, cuz they already paid for it! that way they got something they already paid for and some left over memorial booklets and a cd... :roll: great! means you paid some enormous sum for a booklet with pics anybody can download on the net and a cd that cost € 15,00. how exclusive... :roll:
EVEN IF THEY REFOUND ALL THE MONEY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS OF INTEREST!!! :roll:
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so would this be proof that real fans bought tickets or just hearsay .i was thinking ,depending on who's a part of it and who the hoaxmaster is that it could some how be set up to instantly look like all the dates are sold out so no one could really get a ticket.of course that would also depend on the purpose. datroot say they got money back three times but could just be playing. i dunno. or i could be even crazier than my husband thinks.
it does say that nobody received a ticket before. it's in the middle part. they were due to receive the tickets and then they were told they could only get the ticket (plus some merch) when they WAIVED the right to a refund. that means once you agree to get the ticket (which you should have gotten anyway, regardless of a refund), you will not get your ticket money back! that applies at least for the online sale. i don't know if it was even possible to get a physical ticket anywhere else, like a box office.
when you buy your ticket at a box office, you get your concert ticket and when the concert doesn't happen you claim your refund with the ticket code that is on the ticket you already have and get your money back or the ticket will be valid for a substiute gig by the same artist. in this case, the concerts simply didn't happen and won't.
so, in my opinion, there should have never been an option to get a 'memorial ticket', which was the actual concert ticket, not a special edition of some sort, OR your money back. everybody with a code should have received their ticket regardless of a refund claim, cuz they already paid for it! that way they got something they already paid for and some left over memorial booklets and a cd... :roll: great! means you paid some enormous sum for a booklet with pics anybody can download on the net and a cd that cost € 15,00. how exclusive... :roll:
so i guess what i'm asking is does anyone know a real live person who got through before they were sold out and got a refund or if this is what they said would be done to take care of the situation?see what i'm trying to say is that if no one really paid for any ticket it would be sort a no harm no fowl maybe.