Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on May 02, 2010, 09:13:59 PM
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Sooooo, I bet this thread will be clicked like crazy, hahahahaha! Don't stop reading, you might click away smiling ;)
Let me explain. Because I think the gay story is a bit weird, I decided to step in my time machine and see what this all could mean. After all Arnie is also the one that came up with the Urination Explanation that was absolutely hilarious but not very believable. Let's have a look at the TMZ article again:
Arnie Klein: I Did Not Betray Michael Jackson
Originally posted May 2nd 2010 12:08 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
Dr. Arnold Klein -- Michael Jackson's long-time best friend and physician -- tells TMZ he did not betray Michael Jackson by claiming to TMZ that MJ had an affair with Klein's office manager ... and he's freaked out that he's getting "a lot of horrible death threats."
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/05/02/0502-klein-jackson-ex-1-credit.jpg)
Klein and office manager Jason Pfeiffer were featured on "Extra" a few days ago -- during the interview Pfeiffer claimed to have had a romantic relationship with MJ.
Klein called in during TMZ Live last Friday, and said Michael was gay and Jason was "the love of his life."
On Saturday, Klein told TMZ he does not believe he betrayed Jackson because Jackson never tried to hide his sexuality. We called Klein out on his statement, because it seems to us MJ went to extreme lengths to keep his sexuality a secret.
Klein told us Saturday, "Was he gay? Yes." He then went on to say his declaration is meant to shoot down rumors that Jackson was a pedophile. And, Klein says, as far as he knows, Jason's alleged two-month relationship is the only gay relationship Jackson ever had.
Pfeiffer says, "Michael was not ashamed of his sexuality."
Klein and Pfeiffer say they have received numerous "horrible death threats" since their statements became widely public this week. They have both been in touch with the FBI and now say they have bodyguards.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0mpEhWuIm (http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0mpEhWuIm)
"Klein called in during TMZ Live last Friday, and said Michael was gay and Jason was "the love of his life.""
I remembered something about the original meaning of the word 'gay', so I did a search and oh how we have to love Wikipedia sometimes...
The term gay was originally used to refer to feelings of being "carefree", "happy", or "bright and showy"; it had also come to acquire some connotations of "immorality" as early as 1637.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay)
According to the dictionary:
1. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music.
2. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments.
3. given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a gay social season.
4. licentious; dissipated; wanton: The baron is a gay old rogue with an eye for the ladies.
5. homosexual.
6. of, indicating, or supporting homosexual interests or issues: a gay organization.
—Synonyms
1. gleeful, jovial, glad, joyous, happy, cheerful, sprightly, blithe, airy, light-hearted; vivacious, frolicsome, sportive, hilarious. Gay, jolly, joyful, merry describe a happy or light-hearted mood. Gay suggests a lightness of heart or liveliness of mood that is openly manifested: when hearts were young and gay. Jolly indicates a good-humored, natural, expansive gaiety of mood or disposition: a jolly crowd at a party. Joyful suggests gladness, happiness, rejoicing: joyful over the good news. Merry is often interchangeable with gay: a merry disposition; a merry party; it suggests, even more than the latter, convivial animated enjoyment.
2. brilliant.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay)
Definition of lively: Endowed with or manifesting life; living.
So I guess we can all agree on the fact that Mike is gay.
Now this: : Jason was "the love of his life."
Jason Pfeiffer, let's see what we can make of this. Pfeiffer is German for whistler (http://www.surnameweb.org/Pfeiffer/surname-origin.htm (http://www.surnameweb.org/Pfeiffer/surname-origin.htm))
According to Thesaurus, a synonym for whistler is:
2. whistler - someone who makes a loud high sound
signaler, signaller - someone who communicates by signals
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whistler (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whistler)
And a search on Jason gives something interesting as well. Jason was the love of Medea's life. For those that do not know who Medea is, here is a very short description of the play by Euripides:
Medea is an ancient Greek tragedy written by Euripides, based upon the myth of Jason and Medea and first produced in 431 BC. The play tells the story of the revenge of a woman betrayed by her husband (Jason). Euripides' characterization of Medea exhibits the inner emotions of passion, love, and vengeance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medea)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medea_(play (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medea_(play))
I don't think we have to take the story literally, but I thought the short description I gave you was pretty interesting.
Maybe I am looking a little too much into it, but since we know Mike loves old stories, I am sure he knows the story of Medea. I am also sure he knows the original meaning of gay and this makes a little more sense to me then an alleged boyfriend spilling the beans after more then 10 months. And if Mike really is gay, the story about Jason being his only gay relationship doesn't make sense. With all the confidentiality agreements in his life, I am sure he would have had more boyfriends in his life, and if they would think he is really dead, I am sure at least 1 of them would have called Diane Dimond on June 25 2:27PM to negociate and if Dimond pays that amount of money for a fake ambulance picture, I am sure she would pay at least DOUBLE for this story.
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:o :lol:
That's what I was doing while reading this whole thing.
I don't know wether to call this insanity or genius. You make some pretty good points there Souza...
Michael was pretty damn gay alright. :D
I agree that Arnie might play a (big) role in this show (soon.)
Edit x2: Damn my terrible spelling! :evil:
Edit: :lol: I spelled terrible wrong.
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I suppose that we are all gay then. 8-)
BTW- I predict the thread will receive hundreds of clicks. :lol:
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If this is what gay also means than MJ is 100% GAY! lol :D :D :D
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I remember reading this same article about MJ being "Gay" months and months ago. So if this is not the first time Jason said this. Maybe nobody took notice of it then. It was in an Australian tabloid magazine, as well as reported globally. Maybe before this site started.......
http://www.news.com.au/michael-jackson- ... 5749433688 (http://www.news.com.au/michael-jackson-had-string-of-gay-lovers-new-book-claims/story-0-1225749433688)
http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/4 ... es-forward (http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/49623/michael-jacksons-gay-lover-comes-forward)
and this one from August 2009. So it's not "new" news at all.
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Ahh good point. I suppose I'm quite gay myself then. lol
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I don't really think Michael would purposely do this. Haters aren't going to figure that out, and they'll believe this as it is written, just like they've believed everything else. :| I'm really disgusted with these tabloids and their "Mike is gay" stories. :roll: :evil:
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Nice work! Perhaps Blanket will grow up to call himself "The Golden Fleece" :D
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And this one too. Why wasn't anything said back in August??????????????
http://au.askmen.com/celebs/entertainme ... lover.html (http://au.askmen.com/celebs/entertainment-news/michael-jackson/michael-jackson-had-secret-gay-lover.html)
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Nice work! Perhaps Blanket will grow up to call himself "The Golden Fleece" :D
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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what?!..im not gay lol rofl rofl..i lol'ed so hard :D
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i don´t believe nothing of this... LOL! even if mike is gay this jason is not the type... no way! :lol:
good find souza!
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:o :shock: :o :shock: I'm gay as hell then. :mrgreen:
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I wanna be gay too..........I wanna be gay too.. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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I remember reading this same article about MJ being "Gay" months and months ago. So if this is not the first time Jason said this. Maybe nobody took notice of it then. It was in an Australian tabloid magazine, as well as reported globally. Maybe before this site started.......
http://www.news.com.au/michael-jackson- ... 5749433688 (http://www.news.com.au/michael-jackson-had-string-of-gay-lovers-new-book-claims/story-0-1225749433688)
http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/4 ... es-forward (http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/49623/michael-jacksons-gay-lover-comes-forward)
and this one from August 2009. So it's not "new" news at all.
I believe there has been another person, a waiter, that has also claimed a relationship. But, of course, there are no verified witnesses to this. Yep, Michael was as "gay" as they come (i.e., happy).
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Like the Christmas song deck the halls. Don we now our gay apparel.
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Ah man Mike's gay! Not!!! This post made me laugh so much :lol: So, it's like always TMZ publishes something and just gotta use google and wikipedia to get the 411 on the meaning of what da man might be trying to communicate. Jason definitely was Mike, but in his dreams yeah right we all know who Mike liked LMP, Beyonce, come on even Katie Couric we've seen him with chicks not with overweight dudes. Jason in Spanish "Callate la boca" (shut yo mouth) the man is too hot for you, he was saying goodbye to you cus he's like shamone this guy is developing a crush on me I better jam!!! lol
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ok, i think this is a good find. but sadly thats wat we think about this gay story. the problem is not everybody thinks the same way. :? People reading this r goin to believe MJ was gay after all. Millions of people reading this gay story, can u imagine their thoughts?...not anyone is a member of a forum or things like that!...just think about it...this hoax is gettin out of control...i dont believe this gay story though :roll:
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LOL. I better start wearing a gay flag button then
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Don't believe what you read in print as true... have you all forgotten that
you know we are going to get the weirdos trashing Michael's name, lets face it would Michael even think about going with that fathead! i don't think sooooooooooo! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Well, I remember when I started to study English there was a line in my school book: "All Russian people are happy and gay" :lol:
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Arnie is probably just angry that he hasn't got his green jacket back yet ..... :D :D :D :D
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this is yet another clear example of how easy it is to put words on paper,and they be interpreted....or misinterpreted..........at the end of the day....we all have free choice,to think want we want........and thank heaven we have that right....!!!....the problem as i see it comes when other people force their opinion on to you..........have an opinion by all means....but respect that ALL of us will NEVER all agree with it............and i think this is a very good post....very informative.......xxx with more information,comes knowledge,with more knowledge,comes the ability to form a wider picture of a situation.....and ultimately....and hopefully...become a more understanding,and better human being......xxxxxx my opinion only of course......xxx
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Jason Pfeiffer, let's see what we can make of this. Pfeiffer is German for whistler (http://www.surnameweb.org/Pfeiffer/surname-origin.htm (http://www.surnameweb.org/Pfeiffer/surname-origin.htm))
According to Thesaurus, a synonym for whistler is:
2. whistler - someone who makes a loud high sound
signaler, signaller - someone who communicates by signals
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whistler (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whistler)
@Souza:
yours Jason Pfeiffer-whistler connection might get even more interesting after seeing this:
http://www.thetriskellstudio.com/ (http://www.thetriskellstudio.com/)
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/jphdsht2.jpg)
Welcome to The Triskell Studio, home of Irish flute & whistle player Jason Pfeiffer.
In these pages you’ll find information about Jason and the projects he's involved in, as well as performance dates, details about music lessons and booking music for social events, sound samples, resources on flute and whistle playing and some other surprises.
Thanks for visiting, take a look around and enjoy the site!
"All gifts are given for the benefit of others.
The ability to make music is a gift.
Therefore, music-making is for the benefit of others."
:)
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Sorry, I can't resist posting this :lol:
[youtube:2wb09tt8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlM60Nwc6CE[/youtube:2wb09tt8]
Perhaps he is representing a "Whistleblower".. and I don't necessarily mean him. ;)
(http://www.erichufschmid.net/PiedPiper.PNG)
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LET'S MAKE IT A BETTER WORLD AND ALL BE GAY!!!
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we should all have t-shirts printed saying:
gay l.o.v.e.
good connection with the 'pfeiffer' translation, i didn't even go that far (although i'm german) cuz i usually don't pay these 'mike was gay' articles no attention, just like this one, when it came around the first time.
but with the different translation it totally makes sense why this newsbit is dug back out! all this detail...amazing...makes all perfect sense now.
:mrgreen:
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Arnie is probably just angry that he hasn't got his green jacket back yet ..... :D :D :D :D
Is it something wrong with my eyes... But I see that ...Michael wears t-shirt with himself?
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LOL :lol:
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when i looked... i saw it was all just make.believe :D
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come on gyes stop saying that 4 god seak !!
whats wrong withe u ??
we all know what gay mean !!
No one will go that deep to figured out what is the word mean in wikipedia !!
Dr. Arnold Klein betray MJ !!
he has nothing to do with the hoax !
so please stop spreading that :evil:
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http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=1 ... ost=219632 (http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=19691681472&topic=20970&post=219632)
Carla Martin Bashir as you know carefull edited his documentary to show Michael Jackson in a poor light. This documentary led to Michael being put on trial and we all know what that did to him. Do you remember the media at that time how they lied and twisted everything that was being presented in court. Did you believe them - well millions did and still believe the rubbish being aired about Michael now.
This is just one example of how Michael documentary was edited:
Cory Rooney.
CR: “He was smart enough to video camera it and it clearly showed that the guy just twisted everything and made it, he turned everything into a false or a lie. They ask Michael a question. Are you gay? And Michael said, ‘I don’t want to answer that question.’ Now that was the one that he said. So it quickly edited to Bashir going, ‘Obviously he didn’t want to answer for obvious reasons.’
So then when Michael showed his version, he said, ‘Are you gay?’ Michael said, ‘I don’t want to answer that question.’ Then he said, ‘But if you turn your camera off, I will answer your question.’ Then the guy said ok, turn the camera off. Then Michael said, ‘No. Absolutely not. I am not gay, but I have millions of gay fans and if they believe I’m gay, then let them believe I’m gay.’ He said, ‘I don’t care. I don’t want to offend anybody.’ You know?”
How tactful and honest of Michael - how crafy and deceitful of Bashir.
Michael is no longer with us - Bashir is still working and earning his hundred of dollars.
Do you think he should be - do you want to do something about it for Michael.
Then sign up for the newsletter and sign the petition to get Bashir fired-lets gets those numbers up fast. http://mjtruthnow.com/ (http://mjtruthnow.com/)
When you go to the site, sign up for the newsletter. Scroll to the bottom of the page and click on signing the petition tab. It only takes a couple of minutes and surely Michael is worth more than that?
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hahaha and they put a pic of MJ smiling :lol:
But i don't think that was what he meant ,although the word gay of which means happy , glad ...is commonly known and I think almost every body knows it has 2 meanings ..
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reyferrari, you are right no one can imagine all the meanings that the word gay, when people read the tabloids will always think of homosexuality, I guess we should expect the following news about the news.
In this forum we are all gay. :lol:
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I am having a sneaking suspicion that the photo proof that Jason has put up to prove his close MJ relationship to make them spend Christmas together is bogus. I also understand that their "love affair" started couple of months later...
It has been said that MJ and his kids spend their last Christmas with Arnie Klein, his then partner Stephen Price and Carrie Fisher.
We also have these photos.
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/officialpic.png) (http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/Carrie.jpg)
Then the photo with Jason, actually I saw two versions small and larger perspective but the larger picture I was able to find is of a very small and of very poor quality.
But it looks like this:
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/Jason.jpg)
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/larger.jpg)
In addition to MJ, Prince, Arnie on “Jason” photo we see Miko Brando (I guess) and Jason and Carrie, who seems like sitting or rather leaning on Arnie’s lap. I was not able actually to find any info that Miko was also there? Was he alone or with his family? Strange that he was never mentioned to be there at that time either by the media or Carrie by herself.
On the larger pic we also see someone standing close to Jason, looks like Stephen Price (maybe, but not sure actually, too small and fuzzy).
MJ’s, Prince’s and Arnie’s poses with Blanket standing up close to MJ are almost the same on both pictures so probably the photos were supposed to be done more or less at the same time? So, what happened to the background then, i.e. what happened to the mirror that you can see on the “official” photo and the door/window/passage that we can see on the left side just behind Paris? On the “Jason” photo the mirror lost its reflection and the passage has been covered by “something” brownish?
What if the photo was altered and Miko and Jason plus probably Carrie, with her pretty strange pose, were added later just to make up a proof. On the larger pic the orange big guy maybe was also added to cover Paris that was there at the left side on the official photo? I do know, but I also cannot figure out what is happening with MJ right or Miko’s left hand at the place they supposed to contact each other?
You decide as I might not be objective as I already started to question every single proof that we are given ;)
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ForstAMoon, this is a musician Jason Pfeiffer 8-)
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ForstAMoon, this is a musician Jason Pfeiffer 8-)
who? they guy in the middle? or am I totally lost :lol: :lol: :lol:
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wow arnie klien looks like trailer trash in the christmas pics..yikes i wouldnt want him as my dr. :lol:
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LMAO, great post! MJ is definitely gay then! :)
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wow arnie klien looks like trailer trash in the christmas pics..yikes i wouldnt want him as my dr. :lol:
Here we go again...judging looks... :?
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not judging looks just the pics r horrible
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maybe this Pfeifer fellow must be dreaming that he had something with MJ... I think we are all gay... especially when mj will come back in June. :)
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Of course the word "gay" means lively/jolly. It's an example of a word in the English language which has been adopted or some would say hijacked by an element of society to describe a group of people. One always sniggers at old British films when they use the word "gay" in it's original context.
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:o :shock: :o :shock: I'm gay as hell then. :mrgreen:
I'll bet Im gayer then you are!!
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Sometimes it doesn't matter what is written. People will believe what they want, no matter what. If MJ were really a homosexual: I say, so what. I still love him. But 10 months of tabloid trash, and people take whatever is written at face value. Really? One love.
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Sometimes it doesn't matter what is written. People will believe what they want, no matter what. If MJ were really a homosexual: I say, so what. I still love him. But 10 months of tabloid trash, and people take whatever is written at face value. Really? One love.
i agree enough already
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Sometimes it doesn't matter what is written. People will believe what they want, no matter what. If MJ were really a homosexual: I say, so what. I still love him. But 10 months of tabloid trash, and people take whatever is written at face value. Really? One love.
Oh really? Have you seen the media pick up on the story? Normally they would be all over it, now it's just TMZ and maybe some other sites, but that's it.
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About Jason Pfeiffer, and the meaning in German, "whistler"
Not sure if it means anything, just found this a "coincedence".
I follow someone on twitter that somehow has something to do with MJ, although i havent found out, who he/she is, or what the connection is. The person is not very talkative, answers with simple yes' or no's, and posts links to stuff. Not obviously hoax related or anything.
To cut a long story short. This person yesterday posted this YT link;
[youtube:28g1kbd4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_7loz-HWUM[/youtube:28g1kbd4].
Its a classical piece by Debussy, main instrument; A flute.
Out of curiosity i went to wikipedia to see if i could put some meaning to it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%A9lude_%C3%A0_l%27apr%C3%A8s-midi_d%27un_faune
And there it was!
International superstar Michael Jackson has named the piece his "favorite song".
I know its far fetched, but now i have read this thread, i have a feeling it was meant as a hint to the Pfeiffer story.
Who's blowing the whistle and on what?.... :o
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Sorry, I can't resist posting this :lol:
Perhaps he is representing a "Whistleblower".. and I don't necessarily mean him. ;)
(http://www.erichufschmid.net/PiedPiper.PNG)
this is reminding me of a medieval german tale, called 'der rattenfänger von hameln', freely translated into 'the man who lured the rats out of a town called hameln'. it is not called a fairy tale but a 'legend', so it is suggesting that it could be non-fiction. the brothers grimm made that story into a famous fairytale. this also in connection with the 'whistler' parallel that souza came up with from the german stemming name 'pfeiffer'.
the story is like this (just the outline):
the town has a huge rat problem, the rodents are everywhere. the town people tried everything but nothing worked. now here comes a young guy with a whistle/ pipe/ flute who is said to be able to lure any rat away by playing a certain 'gay' melody. he does it, the town is free of rats and he's their hero of all time. the story has a twist later, cuz the people don't wanna pay the man for his service and he later returns and lures all of the town's children away with the same whistle, as a revenge for the adults who betrayed him. but the core of it is that he freed the whole town of their rodent problem by blowing his whistle, that is mostly displayed regarding this tale.
maybe there is a parallel to that 'cleaning house' newsbit from the other day. now is the time to get rid of the 'rats', be it bad people or bad press. so maybe the 'pfeiffer'-connection is just to point at a 'whistler', i.e. the somone who will take the plague away and not at this old newsbit that there was an alleged gay relationship. why else come out with that again?
to this day, there is a statue in the town of hameln displaying that tale. the general depiction of that figure is reminiscent to peter pan and that statue would have fit perfectly into neverland...i am almost certain that mike would know this tale, since he was so much into books and he also went around germany quite a bit. the story is in any brothers grimm collection (don't know the english title, tho).
here's a pic of the statue in hameln:
[attachment=0:2v7kkggp]rattenf%E4nger_hameln[1].jpg[/attachment:2v7kkggp]
i have a new slogan for this thread (or in general, the 'wear-it-as-a-t-shirt-kind), too:
i beLIEve i'm gay, too!
:mrgreen:
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Tabloidburn I think your history and auntielizzie What is public relation 8-)
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http://www.sawfnews.com/Gossip/63693.aspx (http://www.sawfnews.com/Gossip/63693.aspx)
Michael Jackson was not gay, says father
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 (EST)
Joe Jackson has hit out at Michael Jackson's doctor, Arnie Klein, for claiming the singer was gay.
May 03, 2010, (Sawf News) - Joe Jackson has hit out at Michael Jackson's doctor, Arnie Klein, for claiming the singer was gay.
"It's not true. Michael was not gay," Joe told TMZ.
Joe feels Klein has breached ethics in making the claim.
"He has no respect for Michael ... to say things about him when he's gone is shameful.
"He's a doctor and knows better than to break his vows against a patient."
On Thursday, April 29, in an interview aired on Extra, Klein's office manager, Jason Pfeiffer, claimed that he had a "passionate and sexual" relationship with Michael Jackson in 2008.
The next day, Klien called into TMZ live in support of Pfeiffer's claim. He reiterated that Michael was gay and Pfeiffer was 'the love of his life.'
Both Klien and Pfeiffer have claimed Michael made no attempt to hide his sexuality.
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To cut a long story short. This person yesterday posted this YT link;
[youtube:2cula9lg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_7loz-HWUM[/youtube:2cula9lg].
Its a classical piece by Debussy, main instrument; A flute.
Out of curiosity i went to wikipedia to see if i could put some meaning to it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%A9lude_%C3%A0_l%27apr%C3%A8s-midi_d%27un_faune
And there it was!
International superstar Michael Jackson has named the piece his "favorite song".
I know its far fetched, but now i have read this thread, i have a feeling it was meant as a hint to the Pfeiffer story.
Who's blowing the whistle and on what?.... :o
The sentence
"International superstar Michael Jackson has named the piece his "favorite song"."
was added to wikipedia by a cable net connected desktop with an IP in Toronto, Canada on March 21, 2010. The same editor named the piece later a "Symphonic poem/Tone poem".
[attachment=0:2cula9lg]Prelude Debussy wiki changes.jpg[/attachment:2cula9lg]
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Allright Grace! thx!
I need to learn how to do that too. :D
It could give insight in many things.
but what can we do with this particular information?
Any suggestons?
Save it for a rainy day?! LOL ;)
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It just says that looking into details and behind the curtains will show more facts.
The sentence was added just recently.
We do not know why though.
Sometimes I have the impression that we are doing some hide and seek in an edutainment show and that some things are planted for us on purpose to be found at a certain moment.
(Just as the video popped up on twitter - some folks may know we are following twitter and that the groups' appearances are relatively steady in the web = predictable.)
So this could be pure coincidence why you found the video and the wiki entry.
It could mean also the contrary: both were planted.
;)
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Tabloidburn I think your history and auntielizzie What is public relation 8-)
what do you mean 'i'm history'? i hope you meant something like 'thanks for the story'? :?
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More junk! :lol:
WOW!
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It just says that looking into details and behind the curtains will show more facts.
The sentence was added just recently.
We do not know why though.
Sometimes I have the impression that we are doing some hide and seek in an edutainment show and that some things are planted for us on purpose to be found at a certain moment.
(Just as the video popped up on twitter - some folks may know we are following twitter and that the groups' appearances are relatively steady in the web = predictable.)
So this could be pure coincidence why you found the video and the wiki entry.
It could mean also the contrary: both were planted.
;)
i firmly believe that a lot of bits and pieces are planted, very probably a lot more than we will find.
:mrgreen:
edit: I heard mike say in an interview that he loves classical music and he mentioned a few, among them debussy. if you like classical music, there is no way around debussy. just like there is no way around mike regarding modern music... :mrgreen:
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OMG 1219 VIEWS... :lol: :lol:
is that a record with only 59 replies.. :lol: :lol:
sorry had to say that!!!
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i dont think for a minute mickael was gay for one moment but i can truley say if he was i wouldnt love him any less i can understand all people loved him he is loved more than anyone that ever lived :D
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sorry about the spelling i,m tired been up for 3 days lol
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It's strange that this Jason says "Michael was saying goodbye to everyone during the last 2 weeks"...isn't Michael supposed to die cause of an accident ?
For Klein's shirt...I never saw Michael wearing green...made me think of this old story : never wear green clothes on stage, because it's the color Molière was wearing the day he died on stage. It's supposed to be "bad luck"
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~Souza~
guys we dont want to be like the fool who killed his friend trying to save that friends life !!
http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/03/jermaine- (http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/03/jermaine-) ... ons-video/
Jermaine Jackson -- Curse You, Dr. Klein!
Originally posted May 3rd 2010 1:10 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson's brother Jermaine had a few words for Dr. Arnie Klein this morning regarding his accusations that MJ was gay -- most of them of the four-letter variety
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so i guss u shold till jermaine to look into the gay word in wikipidea !! :roll:
ether he is not in the hoax or Dr. Arnie Klein is not !!
pick ur choice ... what its goona be !!
if the word gay have a different meaning than a homosexual then what is "we were lovers in his last 2 months mean?"
does it have deeper meaning in the wikipedia that we should go looking for ? :?
pleas stop spreading that for god seak !
MJ said he is not gay than thats it ... we believe him .
end of the story .
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The above piece of music is the same music which has been used on those videos by poster "Last Seven Words". Spooky!
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About Jason Pfeiffer, and the meaning in German, "whistler"
Not sure if it means anything, just found this a "coincedence".
I follow someone on twitter that somehow has something to do with MJ, although i havent found out, who he/she is, or what the connection is. The person is not very talkative, answers with simple yes' or no's, and posts links to stuff. Not obviously hoax related or anything.
To cut a long story short. This person yesterday posted this YT link;
[youtube:3w2qn3yq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_7loz-HWUM[/youtube:3w2qn3yq].
Its a classical piece by Debussy, main instrument; A flute.
Out of curiosity i went to wikipedia to see if i could put some meaning to it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%A9lude_%C3%A0_l%27apr%C3%A8s-midi_d%27un_faune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%A9lude_%C3%A0_l%27apr%C3%A8s-midi_d%27un_faune)
And there it was!
International superstar Michael Jackson has named the piece his "favorite song".
I know its far fetched, but now i have read this thread, i have a feeling it was meant as a hint to the Pfeiffer story.
Who's blowing the whistle and on what?.... <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
Thank you for posting the video. It was beautiful to listen to it on a gray gloomy morning while having a cup of coffee.
Usually I´m not overly gay around this time- but once I´m warmed up.... <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P --> :lol: <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
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Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun > Pan/Puck > The Green Man > Peter Pan. :mrgreen:
"Barrie never described Peter's appearance in detail, even in the novel Peter and Wendy, leaving much of it to the imagination of the reader and the interpretation of anyone adapting the character. Barrie mentions in "Peter and Wendy" that Peter Pan still had all of his baby teeth. He describes him as a beautiful boy with a beautiful smile, "clad in skeleton leaves and the juices that flow from trees". In the play, Peter's outfit is made of autumn leaves and cobwebs. His name and playing the flute vaguely suggest the mythological character Pan."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%A9lu ... 27un_faune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%A9lude_%C3%A0_l%27apr%C3%A8s-midi_d%27un_faune)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faun)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puck_%28mythology%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puck_%28mythology%29)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Man)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pan)
(Also, Osiris.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris) )
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ok
we all know what gay means as souza explained !
I will agree with u on that one for now !
but Dr. Arnold Klein did say :
"Jason Pfeiffer was"the love of [Jackson's] life "!!
He did, however, add that Jackson’s alleged two-month fling with Pfeiffer was "the only homosexual relationship he believes the singer has had".
now .... if he just sayed gay i would hav agree with u on what u post here but what about those two sentence ??
*the love of [Jackson's] life !
*homosexual relationship !
as u see he didt leave us with any other choice about the meaning of the word gay !!
get the point ??
so pleas stop promoting lies by philosophing it !! :evil:
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[Quote = "White_Orchid"] [quote = "tabloidburn"] [quote = "Melzy777"] Sorry, ich kann nicht widerstehen, dieses Posting: lol:
Vielleicht ist er auf die ein "Whistleblower" .. und ich glaube nicht unbedingt, dass ihm. ;)
[Img] http://www.erichufschmid.net/PiedPiper.PNG (http://www.erichufschmid.net/PiedPiper.PNG) [/ img] [/ quote]
Dies ist erinnert mich an ein mittelalterliches Deutsch Märchen, genannt "Der Rattenfänger von Hameln", frei in "der Mann, der die Ratten aus einer Stadt namens gelockt übersetzt Hameln '. Es heißt nicht umsonst ein Märchen, sondern eine "Legende", so dass es darauf hindeutet, dass es könnte non-fiction werden. die Brüder Grimm, die Geschichte in einem berühmten Märchen gemacht. dies auch im Zusammenhang mit der 'Whistler' parallel, dass Souza kam mit der Deutsch ergebenden Namen "Pfeiffer".
Die Geschichte ist wie hier (nur die Umrisse):
Die Stadt hat eine riesige Ratte Problem sind die Nager überall. die Stadt die Menschen haben alles versucht, aber nichts funktioniert. Jetzt kommt ein junger Mann mit einer Pfeife / Rohr / Flöte, der sagte zu können jede Ratte weg, indem er eine gewisse "Homosexuell" Melodie zu locken ist. er tut es, ist die Stadt frei von Ratten und er ist ihr Held aller Zeiten. Die Geschichte hat einen Twist später cuz die Menschen nicht wollen, der Mann für seine Dienste bezahlen und er später zurückkehrt und lockt alle den Kindern der Stadt entfernt mit der gleichen pfeifen, als Rache für die Erwachsenen, die ihn verraten. aber der Kern ist, daß er die ganze Stadt ihre Nagetier Problem befreit durch seine Pfeife blies, die meist dargestellt wird über diese Geschichte.
Vielleicht gibt es eine Parallele zu, dass "Reinigung Haus 'newsbit von den anderen Tag. Jetzt ist die Zeit, um loszuwerden, die "Ratten", sei es schlechte Menschen oder schlechte Presse. so vielleicht die "pfeiffer'-Anschluss ist nur an einem Punkt" Whistler ", dh der somone nehmen, die die Pest ins Dorf und nicht an dieser alten newsbit, dass es eine angebliche Beziehung Homosexuell wird. Warum sonst kommen wieder damit?
bis zum heutigen Tag gibt es eine Statue in der Stadt Hameln, dass angezeigte Märchen. die allgemeine Darstellung dieser Figur erinnert an Peter Pan und die Statue würde passen perfekt in Neverland haben ... Ich bin fast sicher, dass Mike würde diese Geschichte kennen, da er so viel wurde in Pfund und er ging auch in Deutschland durchaus eine Spitze . Die Geschichte ist in jedem Brüder-Grimm-Sammlung (nicht wissen, die Englisch Titel, tho).
Hier ist ein Bild der Statue in Hameln:
[Attachment = 0] rattenf E4nger_hameln% [1]. Jpg [/ attachment]
Ich habe einen neuen Slogan für diesen Thread (oder im allgemeinen, die "Verschleiß-it-as-at-Shirt-Art), auch:
Ich glaube, ich bin Homosexuell, too! [/ B]
: Mrgreen: [/ quote]
@ Tabloidburn, danke, Melzy777's pic erinnerte mich auch der Grimm's Märchen Rattenfänger ... was wiederum erinnerte mich immer eines der Gemälde Michael ...
Interval 02.23
http:// [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CiWIqnvFcM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CiWIqnvFcM [/ url] [/ b]
In diesem Bild sehe ich Michael als der Rattenfänger führt die Kinder weg von der Sicherheit 'Ratten' der Boulevardpresse und / oder einer schlechten Kindheit zu erleben.
In diesem Gemälde, genoss Michael und die Kinder sind glücklich und Homosexuell [/ b] einen unbeschwerten sonnigen Tag!
: Lol: [/ quote]
I am from germany, only e few minutes away from Hameln. The Story " Der Rattenfänger von Hameln" was always there in the streets...a very old city.
Michael was in Hameln at the 13.August 1992 ? Usualy the city was not big enough, but he loved this old "Märchen", the city is called " Märchenstadt ", and so he specialy wanted to give a concert here.
So that's a poof that he was comfort with the " Rattenfänger from Hameln" who leadet all the ratts with his sweet play on the Whistler out of the city.....the ratts die and the people could live without fear.
Sorry...it's a bad bad explanation....
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pleas stop promoting lies by philosophing it !!
gay mean homosexual !!
i dont have anything against gays but i have a big proplem against liyers .
I know u meant well but it just not helping in any way !
U are going the worn way .
for god seak clos this topic .
it's not right for MJ .
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Jason Pfeiffer, only the whistler in disguese, take all the bad ppl out...not the rats with the whistleplay, but with the rumors of ther love.
Alle the ppl who has nothing lerned about the tabloids and the gossip...all the ones who judged without knowing anything....alll the bad bad ppl come out.
At the end of the Märchen from Whistler in Hameln the ratts are dead......
I hope at this end all the bad are quiet !
My grandma told me when i am a little girl....if you can't say anything good about someone. say nothing !
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I try again...
Hameln has to much ratts...the whistler comes and play on the whistle, all ratts come out and followed him out of the city in the river "Weser" and the ratts are dead.
Hameln was free of ratts, but the whistler wasn't payed for this...
So he come back.....AT THE: 26.Juni !!!
now heplay the whistle for the children...all children followed him and his play and never came back....
26.June...concidence ?
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattenf%C3 ... von_Hameln (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattenf%C3%A4nger_von_Hameln)
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I try again...Michael know about this story.
Hameln has to much ratts...the whistler comes and play on the whistle, all ratts come out and followed him out of the city in the river "Weser" and the ratts are dead.
Hameln was free of ratts, but the whistler wasn't payed for this...
So he come back.....AT THE: 26.Juni !!!
now heplay the whistle for the children...all children followed him and his play and never came back....
26.June...concidence ?
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattenf%C3 ... von_Hameln (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattenf%C3%A4nger_von_Hameln)
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[Quote = "White_Orchid"] [quote = "tabloidburn"] [quote = "Melzy777"] Sorry, ich kann nicht widerstehen, dieses Posting: lol:
Vielleicht ist er auf die ein "Whistleblower" .. und ich glaube nicht unbedingt, dass ihm. ;)
[Img] http://www.erichufschmid.net/PiedPiper.PNG (http://www.erichufschmid.net/PiedPiper.PNG) [/ img] [/ quote]
Dies ist erinnert mich an ein mittelalterliches Deutsch Märchen, genannt "Der Rattenfänger von Hameln", frei in "der Mann, der die Ratten aus einer Stadt namens gelockt übersetzt Hameln '. Es heißt nicht umsonst ein Märchen, sondern eine "Legende", so dass es darauf hindeutet, dass es könnte non-fiction werden. die Brüder Grimm, die Geschichte in einem berühmten Märchen gemacht. dies auch im Zusammenhang mit der 'Whistler' parallel, dass Souza kam mit der Deutsch ergebenden Namen "Pfeiffer".
Die Geschichte ist wie hier (nur die Umrisse):
Die Stadt hat eine riesige Ratte Problem sind die Nager überall. die Stadt die Menschen haben alles versucht, aber nichts funktioniert. Jetzt kommt ein junger Mann mit einer Pfeife / Rohr / Flöte, der sagte zu können jede Ratte weg, indem er eine gewisse "Homosexuell" Melodie zu locken ist. er tut es, ist die Stadt frei von Ratten und er ist ihr Held aller Zeiten. Die Geschichte hat einen Twist später cuz die Menschen nicht wollen, der Mann für seine Dienste bezahlen und er später zurückkehrt und lockt alle den Kindern der Stadt entfernt mit der gleichen pfeifen, als Rache für die Erwachsenen, die ihn verraten. aber der Kern ist, daß er die ganze Stadt ihre Nagetier Problem befreit durch seine Pfeife blies, die meist dargestellt wird über diese Geschichte.
Vielleicht gibt es eine Parallele zu, dass "Reinigung Haus 'newsbit von den anderen Tag. Jetzt ist die Zeit, um loszuwerden, die "Ratten", sei es schlechte Menschen oder schlechte Presse. so vielleicht die "pfeiffer'-Anschluss ist nur an einem Punkt" Whistler ", dh der somone nehmen, die die Pest ins Dorf und nicht an dieser alten newsbit, dass es eine angebliche Beziehung Homosexuell wird. Warum sonst kommen wieder damit?
bis zum heutigen Tag gibt es eine Statue in der Stadt Hameln, dass angezeigte Märchen. die allgemeine Darstellung dieser Figur erinnert an Peter Pan und die Statue würde passen perfekt in Neverland haben ... Ich bin fast sicher, dass Mike würde diese Geschichte kennen, da er so viel wurde in Pfund und er ging auch in Deutschland durchaus eine Spitze . Die Geschichte ist in jedem Brüder-Grimm-Sammlung (nicht wissen, die Englisch Titel, tho).
Hier ist ein Bild der Statue in Hameln:
[Attachment = 0] rattenf E4nger_hameln% [1]. Jpg [/ attachment]
Ich habe einen neuen Slogan für diesen Thread (oder im allgemeinen, die "Verschleiß-it-as-at-Shirt-Art), auch:
Ich glaube, ich bin Homosexuell, too! [/ B]
: Mrgreen: [/ quote]
@ Tabloidburn, danke, Melzy777's pic erinnerte mich auch der Grimm's Märchen Rattenfänger ... was wiederum erinnerte mich immer eines der Gemälde Michael ...
Interval 02.23
http:// [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CiWIqnvFcM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CiWIqnvFcM [/ url] [/ b]
In diesem Bild sehe ich Michael als der Rattenfänger führt die Kinder weg von der Sicherheit 'Ratten' der Boulevardpresse und / oder einer schlechten Kindheit zu erleben.
In diesem Gemälde, genoss Michael und die Kinder sind glücklich und Homosexuell [/ b] einen unbeschwerten sonnigen Tag!
: Lol: [/ quote]
I am from germany, only e few minutes away from Hameln. The Story " Der Rattenfänger von Hameln" was always there in the streets...a very old city.
Michael was in Hameln at the 13.August 1992 ? Usualy the city was not big enough, but he loved this old "Märchen", the city is called " Märchenstadt ", and so he specialy wanted to give a concert here.
So that's a poof that he was comfort with the " Rattenfänger from Hameln" who leadet all the ratts with his sweet play on the Whistler out of the city.....the ratts die and the people could live without fear.
Sorry...it's a bad bad explanation....
GEEEZ! i'm german, this is the worst translation i've seen from google yet... :lol: :lol: :lol:
funny, that the only translation for 'gay' is 'homosexual'.
i think mo and souza are absolutely right to remind us of the original meaning of the word, which is 'happy' and not 'homo'. and it is used in many old song lyrics, like the classic hollywood musicals (which mike was a BIG fan of).
i have a feeling that we were on the right track here, making the conncetion to a 'whistler'/ announcer and then the 'getting rid of the rats' parallel. and i think a lot of things in this hoax are constructed that way. you have to turn everything into another direction, find something that makes sense or leads you to another meaning/ interpretation.
like a huge brain-training for everybody...THINK!!!
just the fact that we here came from this 'gay' story to the piper of hameln and all the connections with mike there, ought to show that we must be right thinking the way we do. digging jason and his lame claim up don't make no sense. the piper parallel does!
:mrgreen:
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you're right, the translation is really bad ;)
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Arnie is probably just angry that he hasn't got his green jacket back yet ..... <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
yes :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Oh dear, my doggy breed is about to extinct! Look at what the breed standard says:
GENERAL APPEARANCE : Well balanced, sturdy, heavily coated.
BEHAVIOUR / TEMPERAMENT : Gay and assertive. Alert, steady but somewhat aloof with strangers.
If I take the word GAY as its interpreted today by society, I better start with artificial insemination right away as no natural breeding will take place anymore! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Oh dear, my doggy breed is about to extinct! Look at what the breed standard says:
GENERAL APPEARANCE : Well balanced, sturdy, heavily coated.
BEHAVIOUR / TEMPERAMENT : Gay and assertive. Alert, steady but somewhat aloof with strangers.
If I take the word GAY as its interpreted today by society, I better start with artificial insemination right away as no natural breeding will take place anymore! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Damned you're right Mo!
This will be the end of normal dog breeding!
But let's be serious.
People use the word gay for homosexuel but you see that in the dog's world it's still means ;
"carefree", "happy", or "bright and showy"
Chappie x
(dogfood or close friend ;) )
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:D Hi everyone!
Is'nt this the assistant that was found dead on a sidewalk??? Did he die of a broken heart? Now I must go find if this is him...
oops, sorry :oops: it was Bruce Ayers that 'died'!
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Though I believe that every theory brings something to the table and all things are relevant, I feel there is a deeper meaning to this story than just that Michael is HAPPY. As Harvey said while live, this story has been around for at least 4 months and it keeps coming back up.
Religion suggests that being gay is a sin.That as a result of homosexual behavior, a person is condemened to an eternity in hell. Gay individuals are being made to feel guilty, unworthy, bad, rejected etc all based on their sexuality ALONE.
If you ask most gay people they will tell you that being gay is not something they chose. Why would anyone choose to be something that could cause them to be scorned by society, rejected by their families, deny them rights and subject them to possible violent hate crimes? That is not to say that all of being gay or lesbian is negative.
Many gays and lesbians would argue that being gay is not a choice, but whether to act on it is.
Most scientific organizations also believe that homosexuality is not a choice, that biology plays some role. The National Mental Health Association says, “Most researchers believe sexual orientation is complex, and that biology plays an important role. This means that many people are born with their sexual orientation, or that it’s established at an early age.”
Science is in conflict with this religious doctrine but many people and the religious organizations refuse to accept this.
Scientists have studied twins to try and learn if being gay is biologically determined. Studies of identical and fraternal twins suggest that there is a genetic influence on sexual orientation. If being gay were strictly genetic, then in identical twins, there would be a 100% concordance rate for sexual orientation. But one study in 1995 found a 52% correlation for male identical twins and 22% for male fraternal twins. A study on females came up with similar results. If one identical twin was a lesbian, in 48% of cases, the other twin was also a lesbian. For fraternal twins, the concordance was 16%.
This suggests that there are many factors to consider biological and environmental (both the physical and emotional environment). Nature, Nurture and Environment.
A widely publicized study in 1999 found that a certain part of the hypothalamus was smaller in gay men then in heterosexual men. This study was widely touted at the time as “proof” that one’s sexual orientation is biological and not chosen. But it is not known whether these differences in brain are present at birth or if they occur over a lifetime.
http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/comingoutadvice/a/Causes.htm
Michael's Gay Lover
Apostrophe's sometimes take the place of missing letters
Michael Is Gay Lover
Not proper English
Michael Is A Gay Lover
Better but what does that mean?
Michael Is A Lover Of Gays
or
Michael Loves Gay People
as in the opposite of
Michael Hates Gay People
I think that the importance of this story is the religious aspect of whom Michael is. He is telling us that religion as we now presently know it has been created to divide us and causes negativity towards one another and within ourselves. He is trying to dispel this religious tenet and say that gay, lesbian, bisexual, are sinful bad people.
Whether we are gay, lesbian, bisexual, black, white, brown, yellow, red, green, man, woman, child it doesnt't matter, these are all artificially created labels, we are all connected, we are all one and he LOVES US ALL.
Inclusion not Seclusion, Acceptance not Judgement, Compassion not Indifference, Love not Hate,
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By far ,
This is the most stupid analyzing topic that i have ever seen in the 10 months hestory of the hoax :oops:
It suggesting that people are still living in the 19th century when the word gay means happy and free !!
And the worst part is that SOUZA is not even a MJs fan !!
So what do u know about our MJ ?!!
U dont have to be a fan but please be alittle resnble to us in what u r posting !!
And a headline(subject) like that could be ofencev for a lot of us .
No disrespect .
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And the worst part is that SOUZA is not even an MJs fan !! :roll:
No disrespect .
Now that is thát supposed to mean..?
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By far ,
This is the most stupid analyzing topic that i have ever seen in the 10 months hestory of the hoax :oops:
And the worst part is that SOUZA is not even an MJs fan !! :roll:
No disrespect .
Ok, that's it. What is your problem?
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By far ,
This is the most stupid analyzing topic that i have ever seen in the 10 months hestory of the hoax :oops:
And the worst part is that SOUZA is not even an MJs fan !! :roll:
No disrespect .
I have to disagree with you. There is absolutely nothing stupid with analyzing any story, article or comment made concerning Michael or anything to do with Michael.
"The beginning of wisdom is found in doubting; by doubting we come to the question, and by seeking we may come upon the truth."
Being a "fan" has nothing to do with this either anyway.
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[bSerenitys_Dream » Tue May 04, 2010 1:51 pm
Though I believe that every theory brings something to the table and all things are relevant, I feel there is a deeper meaning to this story than just that Michael is HAPPY. As Harvey said while live, this story has been around for at least 4 months and it keeps coming back up.
Religion suggests that being gay is a sin.That as a result of homosexual behavior, a person is condemened to an eternity in hell. Gay individuals are being made to feel guilty, unworthy, bad, rejected etc all based on their sexuality ALONE.
If you ask most gay people they will tell you that being gay is not something they chose. Why would anyone choose to be something that could cause them to be scorned by society, rejected by their families, deny them rights and subject them to possible violent hate crimes? That is not to say that all of being gay or lesbian is negative.
Many gays and lesbians would argue that being gay is not a choice, but whether to act on it is.
Most scientific organizations also believe that homosexuality is not a choice, that biology plays some role. The National Mental Health Association says, “Most researchers believe sexual orientation is complex, and that biology plays an important role. This means that many people are born with their sexual orientation, or that it’s established at an early age.”
Science is in conflict with this religious doctrine but many people and the religious organizations refuse to accept this.
Scientists have studied twins to try and learn if being gay is biologically determined. Studies of identical and fraternal twins suggest that there is a genetic influence on sexual orientation. If being gay were strictly genetic, then in identical twins, there would be a 100% concordance rate for sexual orientation. But one study in 1995 found a 52% correlation for male identical twins and 22% for male fraternal twins. A study on females came up with similar results. If one identical twin was a lesbian, in 48% of cases, the other twin was also a lesbian. For fraternal twins, the concordance was 16%.
This suggests that there are many factors to consider biological and environmental (both the physical and emotional environment). Nature, Nurture and Environment.
A widely publicized study in 1999 found that a certain part of the hypothalamus was smaller in gay men then in heterosexual men. This study was widely touted at the time as “proof” that one’s sexual orientation is biological and not chosen. But it is not known whether these differences in brain are present at birth or if they occur over a lifetime.
http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/comingo ... Causes.htm (http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/comingoutadvice/a/Causes.htm)
Michael's Gay Lover
Apostrophe's sometimes take the place of missing letters
Michael Is Gay Lover
Not proper English
Michael Is A Gay Lover
Better but what does that mean?
Michael Is A Lover Of Gays
or
Michael Loves Gay People
as in the opposite of
Michael Hates Gay People
I think that the importance of this story is the religious aspect of whom Michael is. He is telling us that religion as we now presently know it has been created to divide us and causes negativity towards one another and within ourselves. He is trying to dispel this religious tenet and say that gay, lesbian, bisexual, are sinful bad people.
Whether we are gay, lesbian, bisexual, black, white, brown, yellow, red, green, man, woman, child it doesnt't matter, these are all artificially created labels, we are all connected, we are all one and he LOVES US ALL.
Inclusion not Seclusion, Acceptance not Judgement, Compassion not Indifference, Love not Hate,][/b]
No disrespect to anyone but I disagree and it is not about religion.
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souza
Ok, that's it. What is your problem?
Why are you suggesting that there is a problem ??
it's just my opinion !!
thats all !!
believe me i really admire your work in this forum .
but in this topic i think u r sliping so far from the truth .
Long time a go the word gay means happy .
now it means homosexual so as we all know that we live in present time:roll: it clear that it means homosexual .
no body is given a d*** what it means 100 years ago!!
pleas dont make a simple word that every body knows so complicated for us !!
Dr.Arnold Klein sayed MJ was gay and by that he means homosexual ...it doest need a genius to figure it out .
thats all i am saying .
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Maybe we're looking too much into it?
I really love your investigations but I don't know...Klein always told these kinda terrible about Michael.... I mean is he allowed to talk about his patients in that way? No, he isn't normally...
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squall-lionheart , ~Souza~ looks like you are fighting... :roll:
peace and L.O.V.E guys!
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squall-lionheart , ~Souza~ looks like you are fighting... :roll:
peace and L.O.V.E guys!
Not really, I only asked what this new member's problem was. This is a hoax forum, like I explained many times, not a fan forum. We are here to investigate the hoax, not to drewl over his pictures and make 100 threads a day about how fantastic he is and what he would or wouldn't do or be or wear or say...
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souza
Ok, that's it. What is your problem?
Why are you suggesting that there is a problem ??
it's just my opinion !!
thats all !!
believe me i really admire your work in this forum .
but in this topic i think u r sliping so far from the truth .
Long time a go the word gay means happy .
now it means homosexual so as we all know that we live in present day it aveos that it means homosexual .
no one is given a d*** what it means 100 years ago!!
pleas dont make a simple word that every body knows so complicated for us !!
thats all i am saying .
Well if you claim to be such a big fan, you should know Mike read a lot of old books, loved old movies and uses a lot of symbolism and synonyms. Like I told you already, this is a hoax forum, not a fan forum. if you don't like a thread because of your emotional barrier, just skip it.
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squall-lionheart , ~Souza~ looks like you are fighting... :roll:
peace and L.O.V.E guys!
Not really, I only asked what this new member's problem was. This is a hoax forum, like I explained many times, not a fan forum. We are here to investigate the hoax, not to drewl over his pictures and make 100 threads a day about how fantastic he is and what he would or wouldn't do or be or wear or say...
Yes I agree... in this forum we should talk about Hoax...
but always with a LOVE ... ;)
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SOUZA
Well if you claim to be such a big fan, you should know Mike read a lot of old books, loved old movies and uses a lot of symbolism and synonyms
And because i am a big fan i know mj moor than u do there for i am sure that he won't go that far by leaving a complecated cluse to his fans like that !
Do u see now what i meant by saying that u r not even an mj fan ??
Its because We know our michael moor than any one .
We are here to investigate the hoax
Did u see me talking about his music ??
I was talking about the hoax when i sayed that Dr.Arnold Klein has nothing to do withe the hoax !!
and when he sayed MJ was gay he meant homosexual not happy as you suggesting !!
if you don't like a thread because of your emotional barrier, just skip it.
U got that one right yes i really have emotional barrier and i am happy and proud to live in the barrier of michael jacksons love . 8-)
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I'm pretty sure that when Mr Klein says that MJ was gay,he means that he is homosexual...If MJ is really homosexual I don't care,I still love his music and admire his dedication to his children!BUT what I BELIEVE is that Mr Klein is a fraud and also this Jason....As I see it,MJ and this ''lover'' where just friends and all this guy does is spreading rumors and this is so unfair considering that MJ can't defend himself right now but even if he could people would never believe the truth out of his own mouth....!Rumors about MJ's sexuality are just RUMORS... many times in the past he said that he was/is not homosexual!And that's what I believe,but also I believe in my instinct about his sexuality ;)
It's sad and disgusting the fact that people still spreading rumors for their own reasons and best interests about this man who was betrayed and debunked so many times in the past! They should respect his children who are not 5 years old any more and they associate with other kids and the world in general . I wouldn't feel conformable if people come and tell me that my father is wacko,homosexual,drug addict,freak,asexual and all these terrible thing! I think that these people should shut the fuck up for once and for all!!! :evil:
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I'm pretty sure that when Mr Klein says that MJ was gay,he means that he is homosexual...If MJ is really homosexual I don't care,I still love his music and admire his dedication to his children!BUT what I BELIEVE is that Mr Klein is a fraud and also this Jason....As I see it,MJ and this ''lover'' where just friends and all this guy does is spreading rumors and this is so unfair considering that MJ can't defend himself right now but even if he could people would never believe the truth out of his own mouth....!Rumors about MJ's sexuality are just RUMORS... many times in the past he said that he was/is not homosexual!And that's what I believe,but also I believe in my instinct about his sexuality It's sad and disgusting the fact that people still spreading rumors for their own reasons and best interests about this man who was betrayed and debunked so many times in the past! They should respect his children who are not 5 years old any more and they associate with other kids and the world in general . I wouldn't feel conformable if people come and tell me that my father is wacko,homosexual,drug addict,freak,asexual and all these terrible thing! I think that these people should shut the fuck up for once and for all!!!
Finally i have someone who understand whats i am trying to say from the beginning !! :)
Except for the line in red !!
I couldt agree more .
Thanks 8-)
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[blacta89 » Tue May 04, 2010 5:57 pm
I'm pretty sure that when Mr Klein says that MJ was gay,he means that he is homosexual...If MJ is really homosexual I don't care,I still love his music and admire his dedication to his children!BUT what I BELIEVE is that Mr Klein is a fraud and also this Jason....As I see it,MJ and this ''lover'' where just friends and all this guy does is spreading rumors and this is so unfair considering that MJ can't defend himself right now but even if he could people would never believe the truth out of his own mouth....!Rumors about MJ's sexuality are just RUMORS... many times in the past he said that he was/is not homosexual!And that's what I believe,but also I believe in my instinct about his sexuality
It's sad and disgusting the fact that people still spreading rumors for their own reasons and best interests about this man who was betrayed and debunked so many times in the past! They should respect his children who are not 5 years old any more and they associate with other kids and the world in general . I wouldn't feel conformable if people come and tell me that my father is wacko,homosexual,drug addict,freak,asexual and all these terrible thing! I think that these people should shut the fuck up for once and for all!!! ][/b]
Just trying to understand what you are saying when you say, "I believe in my instinct about his sexuality."
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I first saw this thread the other night. LOL, great one! :D :)
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ok.. i don't usually post disagreeing with people but..
does anyone on her know mike personally.. NO i think not.. therefore he could be GAY.. just cos he said he wasn't doesn't mean he is not.. i know people live in a fantasy world thinking there gonna meet him and marry him etc etc.. yes dreams are shattered if this be true..
but if you admire someone, its for who they are NOT their sexuality and who they choose to sleep with or have a relationship with!!
i think he may have told a few porkies in the past.. (remember he is human) and if you believe in the hoax what is it.. a LIE.. or not.. or merely a twist of the TRUTH!! again who knows!!
food for thought!! think about it..
p.s i got told by an 75yr old man in a clinic today to have a GAY day!! ;) so a happy day it was
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souza
Ok, that's it. What is your problem?
Why are you suggesting that there is a problem ??
it's just my opinion !!
thats all !!
believe me i really admire your work in this forum .
but in this topic i think u r sliping so far from the truth .
Long time a go the word gay means happy .
now it means homosexual so as we all know that we live in present time:roll: it clear that it means homosexual .
no body is given a d*** what it means 100 years ago!!
pleas dont make a simple word that every body knows so complicated for us !!
Dr.Arnold Klein sayed MJ was gay and by that he means homosexual ...it doest need a genius to figure it out .
thats all i am saying .
Well, sometimes words and their meanings "from a 100 years ago" still can have the same meaning and significance; most of all, because that word is still used in its original sense sometimes... and actually it´s not that complicated and mostly, at least I think so, supposed to be funny! But still it´s interesting, because...who knows?
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Maybe we're looking too much into it?
I really love your investigations but I don't know...Klein always told these kinda terrible about Michael.... I mean is he allowed to talk about his patients in that way? No, he isn't normally...
No, we are not reading fairy tales into it or looking too much into it.
This whole hoax is about our very personal narrow perception of how things are supposed to be according to some opinion builders these days.
The hoax is about daring breaking free from forced opinion, third party heard-so / say-so point of view.
The hoax is about daring thinking on our own and usíng the gift of a brain for its purpose - think, reflect, decide, revise, rethink again.
The hoax is about multiple forms of way of living, multiple forms of opinions, multiple forms of belief, multiple forms of religion, multiple forms of looking at things, multiple forms of meanings, multiple forms of perception, multiple forms of comprehension.
The hoax is about the unmeasurable richness and treasures of variety on the planet, in mankind, in every human being.
The hoax is about the unlimited pleasure of individual talent and promising visions and about common consensus uniting us all across all differences.
The hoax is not about any "generalizing understanding" or "generalizing interpretation" of any sentences, parables, pictured story used. We tend to jump on them in our dragged-in habits of understanding. As a non-native speaker of English I profit from double-checking words and their meanings. I have to admit, I love the word interpretation exercises that TMZ and others are giving us. Like the casket being also a jewel box. Like the propofol being also a prop of fools.
Look what TMZ indeed wrote and what you may make out of it (due to being used to a certain kind of generalizing perception or "public opinion" or very individual interpretation:
TMZ / the generalizing instant reaction / what else it could mean:
[Klein called in during TMZ Live last Friday, and said Michael was gay and Jason was "the love of his life."Michael was homosexual and that man was the love of his life - OMG - it is true, it is true, he does not like girls, he's not for me, my hope vanishes in a second and there's not only another person but THIS person - OMG!!!!.
Michael was gay --- happy
Jason was "the love of his life --- who is his / he ? Jason is the love of the life of whom? Michael's or Klein's? You cannot really tell this from the twisted sentence. You would assume it would be Michael's - but that's exactly the point here: you assume and interprete and don't know and nobody said so. See it?
On Saturday, Klein told TMZ he does not believe he betrayed Jackson because Jackson never tried to hide his sexuality. MJ did live this in public and did not hide this terrible non-mainstream absurd and sinful kind of life? OMG!!!
Jackson never tried to hide his sexuality --- this is just very true - imagine MJ on stage without grabbing his...
We called Klein out on his statement, because it seems to us MJ went to extreme lengths to keep his sexuality a secret.Yes, at least TMZ are trying to answer the questions - why did MJ manipulate us and did keep it a secret - OMG and no wonder what else was written about him!
This talks about a problem TMZ are having - they are claiming they did not understand MJ, wanted to know more yet did not get any information about Michael's private life. Anything wrong with that? Not to my knowledge as to TMZ not knowing and MJ not disclosing.
Klein told us Saturday, "Was he gay? Yes." He then went on to say his declaration is meant to shoot down rumors that Jackson was a pedophile.
OMG this terrible Klein confirms it again - and yes of course homos don't bother with kids - OMG!
Klein confirms again that MJ was a happy, cheerful person. He details why he talks about it - to shut up the pedophile subject. Now we may wonder about the drawn connection here - there is none actually existing. Happy people don't chase children? Homosexuals don't chase children? There is no "yes" to either interpretation so I guess we better leave it up to Klein to explain another day what he really was aiming for.
And, Klein says, as far as he knows, Jason's alleged two-month relationship is the only gay relationship Jackson ever had.So this went on for 2 months undetected? With this person? I cannot believe it that this was the only one. No way then...
So here we have the rumour motive: "alleged" - hear-say - no proof - not even any proof by the boss of the so-said-lover who claims to know everything about the relationship. Ha Ha. What is our reaction? We read it as if it were true, not as if it were "so-said". Instantly we brew another "OMG, about 2 months it did take? With that man?" And up we are in the foggy nowheres of "Geeeh I cannot believe it!". The only gay relationship ? Oh what a lie.... MJ was more than gay / cheerful (as we all witnessed for over more than 45 years and got further proof of even after his disappearance.
I think the most important sentence here is the gut feeling of "I cannot believe it".
Yet because others told us the contrary, we are confused and finally end up swimming with the least resistance in the main stream of "somebody more powerful and impressive than I am told me so he must be right and I must be wrong and therefore I better should believe what I am told."
And this is exactly what this hoax is about.
The most impressive demonstration of freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of belief history has ever seen.
Dare trusting yourself. They cannot harm you. Nobody can. Nobody will stop you.
If you only believe in yourself, in your own thoughts, in your own dreams, in your own capacities and abilities, in your own talents.
If you only dare spreading your wings the sky will be filled with doves that never knew how easily they could fly.
Pfeiffer says, "Michael was not ashamed of his sexuality."]
So true. So true. Neither should we ever be ashamed of any part of us.
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I find it interesting anyways, that Klein will call in just to report about this "retard" story. As I said earlier I disagree on some of what was posted here but at the same time, why decide to call and say all of this. Really, for what?!! :roll:
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Applause to you, Grace!
If anyone still keeps asking what this all might be about --- that`s the answer, probably.
MJ`s whole life was "public relations" --- in good times as well as in bad times ... nothing has changed. Now we share (t)his point of view ... and ... what do we learn? A lot .... I guess.
We should be prepared to "read between the lines" and not take everything as it seems ar first glance.
Media is still ruling?
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SOUZA
Well if you claim to be such a big fan, you should know Mike read a lot of old books, loved old movies and uses a lot of symbolism and synonyms
And because i am a big fan i know mj moor than u do there for i am sure that he won't go that far by leaving a complecated cluse to his fans like that !
Do u see now what i meant by saying that u r not even an mj fan ??
Its because We know our michael moor than any one .
Well that's exactly where your problem pops up squall-lionheart. You only THINK you know 'your' Michael more than anyone. You THINK to know what he would or wouldn't do, because you wholeheartedly believe in the PR image he carefully created. A PR image has nothing to do with someone's personality, and it's time to start realizing that and allow Mike to get off the high horse his fans put him on. Don't think that you know it all, don't think for the man, he;'s perfectly capable of thinking for himself.
if you don't like a thread because of your emotional barrier, just skip it.
U got that one right yes i really have emotional barrier and i am happy and proud to live in the barrier of michael jacksons love . 8-)
You being led by his PR image is your emotional barrier. Step aside for a while, think outside the box, give Mike some credits. Then a whole new world will open up for you and I promise you, after that you will respect him even more.
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Big LOL to all of this! :lol:
I just think Arnie and Jason are hooked up! :twisted:
And Michael hooked em up! :lol:
Arnie still wants his green jacket back, Michael! ;)
Seriously, I am so gay over all of this! :mrgreen:
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wow !! :o
MO AND SOUZI AND GIRLINTHEMIRROR
will will will !!
All the 3 of u at the same topic... replayin to the same poor guy (squall-lionheart)!! :cry:
what i have deserve to earn that honor ?!!
This time i am sure that my opinion was very clear and will deleverd and has the impact that brougt the 3 of u out here .
Finaly i am looking out side the box now ;)
there for i dont have any thing to say .... i am out !! 8-)
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This whole hoax is about our very personal narrow perception of how things are supposed to be according to some opinion builders these days.
The hoax is about daring breaking free from forced opinion, third party heard-so / say-so point of view.
The hoax is about daring thinking on our own and usíng the gift of a brain for its purpose - think, reflect, decide, revise, rethink again.
The hoax is about multiple forms of way of living, multiple forms of opinions, multiple forms of belief, multiple forms of religion, multiple forms of looking at things, multiple forms of meanings, multiple forms of perception, multiple forms of comprehension.
The hoax is about the unmeasurable richness and treasures of variety on the planet, in mankind, in every human being.
The hoax is about the unlimited pleasure of individual talent and promising visions and about common consensus uniting us all across all differences.
And this is exactly what this hoax is about.
The most impressive demonstration of freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of belief history has ever seen.
Dare trusting yourself. They cannot harm you. Nobody can. Nobody will stop you.
If you only believe in yourself, in your own thoughts, in your own dreams, in your own capacities and abilities, in your own talents.
If you only dare spreading your wings the sky will be filled with doves that never knew how easily they could fly.
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Pfeiffer says, "Michael was not ashamed of his sexuality."]
So true. So true. Neither should we ever be ashamed of any part of us.
APPLAUSSE!!!
WAVES... :mrgreen:
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You know what! Klein means that Michael was homosexual or else why Jermaine was so pissed off? Because Michael was happy? :roll:
This is not funny! Klein is really full of shit, because no matter what he has no rights to tell the story. he betrayed MJ in everyway. First pee story and "Heal the skin" lectures. wht, how can you call your fucking lecture about how you treated Michael's skin (he had no rights to tell about Michael's health, it's not ethical) and name it like his song? The most disrespectful thing to do, no matter if MJ is alive or dead.
I hate Klein. He's full of shit. He's not a friend. The guy stinks. :geek:
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And the worst part is that SOUZA is not even an MJs fan !! :roll:
No disrespect .
Now that is thát supposed to mean..?
I think what they mean is that being a Michael fan and not being a fan we are in 2 different worlds. Those of us that are a fan of his see him maybe in a different light. Perhaps we put him up on a pedestal too much? We think he is just perfect the way he is. As a fan we invest ALOT into Michael and do we put blinders on sometimes...maybe yes and maybe not. However being a fan we have followed his life and every move. We know the words to all his songs, we know his quirks and his personality and all his traits, and although we havent met him we just FEEL we know him. It is hard to explain really but us MJ fans feel a connection to him. When he hurts then so do we. I can be an MJ fan and still be objective. I know some of us can and some of us cannot but truly that is what makes the world go round. Everyone has a different opinion. Come on now if everyone thought alike the world would be a pretty boring place. Michael makes the world and life interesting. He does make life worth living. Put on a little MJ music or just take one look at a photo of his and us MJ fans light up and brighten our day.
And then of course those that are not Michael fans now iam not about to start a war however if you are not a fan you tend to look at him differently i think. No different than say someone else you are not a fan of or even admirerer. Therefore you call it as you see it. To you guys he is just another face in the crowd. But to us MJ fans he is our world really and someone we could even call a friend.
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And the worst part is that SOUZA is not even an MJs fan !! :roll:
No disrespect .
Now that is thát supposed to mean..?
And then of course those that are not Michael fans now iam not about to start a war however if you are not a fan you tend to look at him differently i think. No different than say someone else you are not a fan of or even admirerer. Therefore you call it as you see it. To you guys he is just another face in the crowd. But to us MJ fans he is our world really and someone we could even call a friend.
Maybe you should take the time and read back on all that we said, before stating things like the line in your reply I marked in red. :?
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And the worst part is that SOUZA is not even an MJs fan !! :roll:
No disrespect .
Now that is thát supposed to mean..?
And then of course those that are not Michael fans now iam not about to start a war however if you are not a fan you tend to look at him differently i think. No different than say someone else you are not a fan of or even admirerer. Therefore you call it as you see it. To you guys he is just another face in the crowd. But to us MJ fans he is our world really and someone we could even call a friend.
Maybe you should take the time and read back on all that we said, before stating things like the line in your reply I marked in red. :?
I mean that totally...okay then question...who is Michael Jackson to you??? You are not a fan which is fine. I respect that. What does he mean to you?
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And the worst part is that SOUZA is not even an MJs fan !! :roll:
No disrespect .
Now that is thát supposed to mean..?
And then of course those that are not Michael fans now iam not about to start a war however if you are not a fan you tend to look at him differently i think. No different than say someone else you are not a fan of or even admirerer. Therefore you call it as you see it. To you guys he is just another face in the crowd. But to us MJ fans he is our world really and someone we could even call a friend.
Maybe you should take the time and read back on all that we said, before stating things like the line in your reply I marked in red. :?
I mean that totally...okay then question...who is Michael Jackson to you??? You are not a fan which is fine. I respect that. What does he mean to you?
you don't have to be a 'fan' to recognize a genius and admire that! i'm not a particular fan, does that mean i have no business here? cuz i can't help but to admire the man and his genius? and because i find that great injustice was done to this man that he never could really cope with and that makes me mad as a fellow human being? and because i feel that he never got the respect and credit that he deserves? michael jackson has done so much to help others, you can't help but admire that and give it the deepest respect. and i don't even need to listen to his music to realize that (although i do).
this forum is about mike and what might have drove him to pull this hoax off, not about whether you're a fan or not. all you need to be is a human being for this. and that is what mike is to me: a human being, one that was highly underestimated and misunderstood by most people.
i don't have to be a fan to understand what mike is about, i am simply old anough to have been around at his prime and there was no way around him, ever. and i actually greatly appreciate the fact that mo and souza are not 'fans' because it keeps a certain objectivity in all of this. i really don't like this distinction made here between 'fans# and 'non-fans' and who knows more about mike. just because i'm not a poster slingin follower, doesn't make me no different from anyone else in here.
i challenge anyone to question me about mike, i bet i know just as much as any 'fan'!
:mrgreen:
edit: standing o's to grace for that post!
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And the worst part is that SOUZA is not even an MJs fan !! :roll:
No disrespect .
Now that is thát supposed to mean..?
And then of course those that are not Michael fans now iam not about to start a war however if you are not a fan you tend to look at him differently i think. No different than say someone else you are not a fan of or even admirerer. Therefore you call it as you see it. To you guys he is just another face in the crowd. But to us MJ fans he is our world really and someone we could even call a friend.
Maybe you should take the time and read back on all that we said, before stating things like the line in your reply I marked in red. :?
I mean that totally...okay then question...who is Michael Jackson to you??? You are not a fan which is fine. I respect that. What does he mean to you?
Like I said: read back on all that we said. I'm tired of 'defending' myself for not being a fan, and I'm tired of repeating myself.
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This is my last post on this subject .
All of u mj fans u are the only ones who really aloud to speak on his behave .
They will never know what he really means to all of us .
Always speak of what u really feel and dont ever let anyone tell u what to think and how u sappose to feel.
If they are only speaking from there minds we are proud of speaking from both of our harts and minds.
And because i just did that they attcked me... closed my subject and calling me another mjs fan how trabed in his emotional barrier !!
Dont estimate the power of love because that's what we only have for our king .
And that what they will not ever know .
"GOD PLEES"
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This is my last post on this subject .
All of u mj fans u are the only ones who really aloud to speak on his behave .
:lol:
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oops
i forgot to say something!! 8-)
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will .... it's getting late!!
i think a will post it tomorrow !!
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oops
i forgot to say something!! 8-)
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will .... it's getting late!!
i think a will post it tomorrow !!
;)
I'm glad you stay. We need some fresh air.
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*sigh*
You guys can be so damn dramatic sometimes.
I am a fan, but I highly appreciate the opinions of non-fans.
Deny it all you want, but the emotional barrier does exist.
Let everyone have an opinion.
This is not a fans-only forum. Please guys. Keep the peace.
Edit: Spelling
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LOL If Mike was gay in the homosexual sense why would he tell Martin Bashir that he isnt but only wont answer the question with his camera rolling cause he doesn't want to hurt fans who are gay and want him to be gay as well?
We all know MJ is a booty man as well 8-) He was definitely happy gay at times, haha.
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Very true loma, Do Not Understand the division Between fans and non fans .. many of the people say They Were Not Who fans are more interested in Humans Than in the artist And That is very valid. :)
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come on gyes stop saying that 4 god seak !!
whats wrong withe u ??
we all know what gay mean !!
No one will go that deep to figured out what is the word mean in wikipedia !!
Dr. Arnold Klein betray MJ !!
he has nothing to do with the hoax !
so please stop spreading that :evil:
exactly!!..that's wat i'm trying to say. No one will go that deep to figured out what is the word mean. Even in China the word gay have one meaning.
i guess when it comes to things that r too hard to assimilate we search the last excuse to not think about it as a reality. We need to change that. i'm sorry, just my thoughs
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come on gyes stop saying that 4 god seak !!
whats wrong withe u ??
we all know what gay mean !!
No one will go that deep to figured out what is the word mean in wikipedia !!
Dr. Arnold Klein betray MJ !!
he has nothing to do with the hoax !
so please stop spreading that :evil:
exactly!!..that's wat i'm trying to say. No one will go that deep to figured out what is the word mean. Even in China the word gay have one meaning.
i guess when it comes to things that r too hard to assimilate we search the last excuse to not think about it as a reality. We need to change that. i'm sorry, just my thoughs
Sorry, but I couldn't care less if he were gay really. But this hoax has many hidden messages and it should all be discussed. I am not saying I am 100% right, I only point out what it could also be.
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come on gyes stop saying that 4 god seak !!
whats wrong withe u ??
we all know what gay mean !!
No one will go that deep to figured out what is the word mean in wikipedia !!
Dr. Arnold Klein betray MJ !!
he has nothing to do with the hoax !
so please stop spreading that :evil:
exactly!!..that's wat i'm trying to say. No one will go that deep to figured out what is the word mean. Even in China the word gay have one meaning.
i guess when it comes to things that r too hard to assimilate we search the last excuse to not think about it as a reality. We need to change that. i'm sorry, just my thoughs
Sorry, but I couldn't care less if he were gay really. But this hoax has many hidden messages and it should all be discussed. I am not saying I am 100% right, I only point out what it could also be.
don't get me wrong souza, if MJ is really gay it dossent really matter to me, im 24 years old and i'm lovin him since the age of 5, so its ok to me!..my point is we have to be realistic, not anyone will go that deep to understand wat the word gay really means..that's all!!..gay or not gay, i will luv him till the end of the days :)..all 4 l.o.v.e.
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*sigh*
You guys can be so damn dramatic sometimes.
I am a fan, but I highly appreciate the opinions of non-fans.
Deny it all you want, but the emotional barrier does exist.
Let everyone have an opinion.
This is not a fans-only forum. Please guys. Keep the peace.
Edit: Spelling
holla!
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this is going to far...at the end of the day we all know what being GAY realy means :roll:
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come on gyes stop saying that 4 god seak !!
whats wrong withe u ??
we all know what gay mean !!
No one will go that deep to figured out what is the word mean in wikipedia !!
Dr. Arnold Klein betray MJ !!
he has nothing to do with the hoax !
so please stop spreading that :evil:
exactly!!..that's wat i'm trying to say. No one will go that deep to figured out what is the word mean. Even in China the word gay have one meaning.
i guess when it comes to things that r too hard to assimilate we search the last excuse to not think about it as a reality. We need to change that. i'm sorry, just my thoughs
Sorry, but I couldn't care less if he were gay really. But this hoax has many hidden messages and it should all be discussed. I am not saying I am 100% right, I only point out what it could also be.
don't get me wrong souza, if MJ is really gay it dossent really matter to me, im 24 years old and i'm lovin him since the age of 5, so its ok to me!..my point is we have to be realistic, not anyone will go that deep to understand wat the word gay really means..that's all!!..gay or not gay, i will luv him till the end of the days :)..all 4 l.o.v.e.
Well I did, so why not others? I remembered something about the original meaning, so it's not something we never heard.
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this is going to far...at the end of the day we all know what being GAY realy means :roll:
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Come on.. The first time I'd heard the word "gay" was in a song I learned in Preschool.
Lots of people have ALWAYS know that it has many definitions.
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come on gyes stop saying that 4 god seak !!
whats wrong withe u ??
we all know what gay mean !!
No one will go that deep to figured out what is the word mean in wikipedia !!
Dr. Arnold Klein betray MJ !!
he has nothing to do with the hoax !
so please stop spreading that :evil:
exactly!!..that's wat i'm trying to say. No one will go that deep to figured out what is the word mean. Even in China the word gay have one meaning.
i guess when it comes to things that r too hard to assimilate we search the last excuse to not think about it as a reality. We need to change that. i'm sorry, just my thoughs
Sorry, but I couldn't care less if he were gay really. But this hoax has many hidden messages and it should all be discussed. I am not saying I am 100% right, I only point out what it could also be.
don't get me wrong souza, if MJ is really gay it dossent really matter to me, im 24 years old and i'm lovin him since the age of 5, so its ok to me!..my point is we have to be realistic, not anyone will go that deep to understand wat the word gay really means..that's all!!..gay or not gay, i will luv him till the end of the days :)..all 4 l.o.v.e.
Well I did, so why not others? I remembered something about the original meaning, so it's not something we never heard.
Honey, u did it cause that's ur ''job'' as an administrator of this site and cause u r a strong beLIEver just like me; but the fact is believer or not believer people doubts r inevitable. And unfortunely there's a lot more people who believe that gay story. I'm not saying he's gay, but millions and millions of people read it and the mayority believe wat they read. its sad, but true! :| and those r the same people who knows the main meaning of the word gay without lookin for wikipedia :roll:
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IMO, it's just an obvious BS story designed to get attention and get Michael's name back out there, which is exactly what it did.
Seems to be Klein's roll, to feed the tabloid beast. He always has the juiciest stories.
Notice the alleged boyfriend is severely overweight and sort of awkward looking, not some fabulous pretty metrosexual. Why? Because people might sort of believe it if Michael's boy toy was hot.
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D yes he's gay
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I have learnded now that Freddy Mercury was gay gay. And according to Freddy was Michael not so gay. Now that proofs that he was wrong. Michael was defenitely gay. :lol:
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:P Thanks Souza!! YOu are amazingly intelligent!!
When I first heard this again(like another person I here I remember this Jason first saying this months ago.), but yeah I thought it's either part of the big plan or something related , but then what also troubled me was Michael's children would not only hear this ( even if their Dad had prepared them by letting them know??) I thought it's not only the fact they would hear this but also have to put up with all the negative salicious stuff on the press rorm the media and also from anybody out there, close to them or not but whom they may associate with or kids their age that wouldn't these days think like those of us that know all definitions, and put up with their hurtful comments , so I wonder in my head would Michael put his kids through this torture , as he only knows too well what it'slike and he truly tried to protect his kids.
So I am in a dilemna as I can see it from both sides ... and the fact that Dr Klein is/was a close associate of MJ and someone whom he trusted then if Klein is operating from a place of 'going along with the game plan ' and if he was still very close to MJ then I can't believe he would do something like this to hurt MJ or if he thinks he is dead MJ's Memory. but the fact that MJ's Children are involved as they are old enough to hear and understand well the 2 olde especially the term it means in today wolrd, I feel it would be too hurtful for them in whatever way to hear this drag their Dad once again in a horrible way from the media , as the media won't give up[ and will dig for more or create mor.
but I truly value and appreciate what You have written as I too thought could this be part of the big plan??
thanks again to You Souza and to Mo and everyone here for all the insight and research and hartfelt comments , it makes it all feel like we are in this together and we have got MJ's back , in that we won't tolerate anything but the good the best and all that is L.O.V.E!! for MJ!!
that's what makes coming here really positive that we are all like one family and it's 'All for love!!L.O.V.E!!
thanks Souza again
and much love to You and everyone here!!
all my love and big mJ hugs
MIchelle
New Zealand :D
pss I am totally 100% GAY as well too along with the rest of You!!! :lol: :lol:
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This issue of Arnie and his gay employee has well confused me, is very different to say on television that he wants him back his jacket horrible, to say that Michael is gay, the media impact is very different. :?:
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HI
One last thing
All i want to say is that :
1- The title subject catch my attention and that reminds me of what tabloid junk used to but in there front pages about MJ to get peoples attention and sell their lies .. thats what mj was always trying to warn us about and that is exactly what u r doing here,not every one will go through the details .. thats whay i dont like it .
if the title was (what the word gay really means )then that would have been better .
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2-Pleas would u be kind enough not to call any one of the fans that desgree with u that he or she is trabed in his/her emotional barrier !!
u have to know that we are proud of being his fans !!
and our love cant ever interfere our responsible judjment !!
so pleas respict that !!
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3- It is ok not to be mj fan but in general i really prefer investigations that comes from a fan because i really believe that we understand our mj better !!
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4-As matter of this topic my hole point is :
we all know what gay mean !!
No one will go that deep to figured out what is the word mean in wikipedia !!
and if u disagree then could u go tonight and till ur father or brother :
"dad i am very happy because u r gay !!" :?
and see what his reaction will be ??!!
my point is :
Dr. Arnold Klein betray MJ !!!
the man is spreading hurtful lies about mj since 25-6-2009 !!
and that definitely proves that he has nothing to do with the hoax!!
it's my opinion so i hope that u have no problem with it ??
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5- Could u please tell me why did u lock my post here??
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=9434 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=9434)
is it because i disagree with you??
if u are claiming that u locked it because it has nothing to do withe the hoax then i dare u to open it and let the members be the judj on that !!
if u dont like to.... then it is ok with me !
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Finaly :
if anyone felt offended about anything that i am saying here or sayed befor... then i am truly very sorry !!
that was not my intention!!
"god plees"
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HI
One last thing
All i want to say is that :
1- The title subject catch my attention and that reminds me of what tabloid junk used to but in there front pages about MJ to get peoples attention and sell their lies .. thats what mj was always trying to warn us about and that is exactly what u r doing here,not every one will go through the details .. thats whay i dont like it .
if the title was (what the word gay really means )then that would have been better .
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"front pages about MJ to get peoples attention and sell their lies" What lies? I posted a thread about the original meaning of the word gay. There are no lies in my post, just factual information. How I decide to name my thread, is my business.
2-Pleas would u be kind enough not to call any one of the fans that desgree with u that he or she is trabed in his/her emotional barrier !!
u have to know that we are proud of being his fans !!
so pleas respict that !!
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Most fans DO have an emotional barrier. They think for him, think they know what he would or would not do, put him on a high horse and anything that sounds too 'normal' can't ever be linked to him, because he is a god, an angel and "he would never do that". Fact is, that no one on this board really knows him, they know him as he appeared in public. They forget he had a real life as well, something the fans never saw. The TII poster states: "Discover the man you never knew".
3- It is ok not to be mj fan but in general i really prefer investigations that comes from a fan because i really believe that we understand our mj better !!
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See above, you only think you understand him better. If you don't like investigations from non-fans, skip the topics. Quite funny is that I received a pm from you yesterday, where you said the following:
I really admire ur work here , keep it going .
Best wheshs to u all .
"GOD PLEES"
4-As matter of this topic my hole point was :
we all know what gay mean !!
No one will go that deep to figured out what is the word mean in wikipedia !!
and if u disagree then could u go tonight and till ur father or brother :
"dad i am very happy because u r gay !!" :?
and see what his reaction will be ??!!
my point is :
Dr. Arnold Klein betray MJ !!!
the man is spreading hurtful lies about mj since 25-6-2009 !!
and that definitely proves that he has nothing to do with the hoax!!
it's my opinion so i hope that u have no problem with it ??
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The word gay only means homosexual since the past few decades, before that, it was as I posted for ages. Because you didn't know the original meaning, doesn't mean Mike doesn't know. And you don't know what Klein's role is in this, so you should stop judging others. A wise man once said: "Prejudice is ignorance" and he was right.
5- Could u please tell me why did u lock my post here??
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=9434 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=9434)
is it because i disagree with you??
if u are claiming that u locked it because it has nothing to do withe the hoax then i dare u to open it and let the members be the djuje on that !!
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I locked it because you already posted your thoughts in this thread, so that makes it a double post. We lock double posts here on this forum.
Finaly :
if anyone felt offended about anything that i am saying here or sayed befor... then i am truly very sorry !!
that was not my intention!!
"god plees"
Actually it IS your intention. You posted this to stir things up. Let me show you a quote from your own pm again:
I am very sorry if u feelt that i had offended you in any way .
I was just testing your patience .
Unfortunately u did not Pass the test .
I don't like people playing games like you do.
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I didt think u r that easy !! ;)
Wait 4 my replay soon !!
Or not ... i will replay any way !!
it's not in my nature to quit of what i believe in 8-)
and i am afraid that u just gonna have to learn how to respect MJ fans !!
I guess i will have to show u in the probet way ofcurse !!
in ur own fourm !!
see u all soon !!
"it is all fo love"
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dude, whatever.
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and i am afraid that u just gonna have to learn how to respect MJ fans !!
you know, on the one hand, you say that you don´t care if MJ is gay or not. Yet you are vehemently against the fact that he even might be!
To me, that shows that you are not very tolerant on that point, because if you really didnt care, you wouldn´t have to argue about that point like that (most of all in a topic that is actually supposed to be funny!)
Would that destroy your bubble to find out he´s gay?
You would find out that MJ is NOT the guy you thought to "know" for so many years, right?
Or are you just seeking arguement?
Dude, let it be. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but it´s not worth fighting like that over nothing
And may I add: I am an MJ fan myself.
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I didt think u r that easy !! ;)
Wait 4 my replay soon !!
Or not ... i will replay any way !!
it's not in my nature to quit of what i believe in 8-)
and i am afraid that u just gonna have to learn how to respect MJ fans !!
I guess i will have to show u in the probet way ofcurse !!
in ur own fourm !!
see u all soon !!
"it is all fo love"
Oh yeah, you were probably 'testing' me again, right? Why are you here instead of a fan forum? What's your agenda squall?
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I didt think u r that easy !! ;)
Wait 4 my replay soon !!
Or not ... i will replay any way !!
it's not in my nature to quit of what i believe in 8-)
and i am afraid that u just gonna have to learn how to respect MJ fans !!
I guess i will have to show u in the probet way ofcurse !!
in ur own fourm !!
see u all soon !!
"it is all fo love"
Oh, and by the way: Why are you using proxies squall? You have been posting from way too many IP addresses. Got something to hide?
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Souza wrote
Oh, and by the way: Why are you using proxies squall? You have been posting from way too many IP addresses. Got something to hide
Now is that a shameful lie !!souza wrote
What's your agenda squall?
Nothing... really !!
i am just having harmless fun !!
and I AM really enjoying it
thats all
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Souza wrote
Oh, and by the way: Why are you using proxies squall? You have been posting from way too many IP addresses. Got something to hide
Now is that a shameful lie !!souza wrote
What's your agenda squall?
Nothing... really !!
i am just having harmless fun !!
and I AM really enjoying it
thats all
You can say a lot about me, but I never lie. Don't make me post a screenshot...
And harmless fun? So you are actually admitting here that you stir up things on purpose? Well I have nothing more to say to you.
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harmless fun?, Dude, harmless fun u said? :o ....geez souza, if u have a ''delete member'' button i think is time to use it!...in someway i was agree with this guy, but he cross the line. how can u enjoy this situation? and u call yourself a MJ fan :| ..i can't believe this guy!..
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:roll:
+1
Thank you.
People like these have learned nothing.
When youy say it's about love, really mean it pls.
Practice what you supposedly preach.
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souza wrote
So you are actually admitting here that you stir up things on purpose?.
harmlesfun !!
is that an awful word??
English is not my first language u now .
what i meant was i will not cause harm to any one!!
and yes i am having fun !
is that means i stir up things ??
Oh wait a second ??
stir up things in ur dictionary means disagreeing withe u !!
aha ... i see now !!
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souza wrote
You can say a lot about me, but I never lie. Don't make me post a screenshot...
Do u want me to post a picture of mj holding "this is it " poster ??
Come on now give me a break !!
May be i dont know every thing about mj but i really know this :
mj said he is not a child molester
i believe him
mj said he is not gay
i believe him
so if u dont believe that he is not gay then u do believe he is a child muolester !!
its as simple as that
Remember what he said ??
Oh .. excuse me ..i forget that u r not a fan so ofcurse u dont remember it !!
but we the fans now that he said :
"If u dont hear it from me then it is not true" .
and because I am an mj fan i chose to believe him .
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souza wrote
So you are actually admitting here that you stir up things on purpose?.
harmlesfun !!
is that an awful word??
English is not my first language u now .
what i meant was i will not cause harm to any one!!
and yes i am having fun !
is that means i stir up things ??
Oh wait a second ??
stir up things in ur dictionary means disagreeing withe u !!
aha ... i see now !!
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souza wrote
You can say a lot about me, but I never lie. Don't make me post a screenshot...
Do u want me to post a picture of mj holding "this is it " poster ??
Come on now give me a break !!
May be i dont know every thing about mj but i really know this :
mj said he is not a child molester
i believe him
mj said he is not gay
i believe him
so if u dont believe that he is not gay then u do believe he is a child muolester !!
its as simple as that
Remember what he said ??
Oh .. excuse me ..i forget that u r not a fan so ofcurse u dont remember it !!
but we the fans now that he said :
"If u dont hear it from me then it is not true" .
and because I am an mj fan i chose to believe him .
Oh sure, I believe he is a child molester :roll: Like I also said I think he is gay in the modern meaning of the word :roll: Do you have trouble reading?
Who wrote this you think? http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2 ... vengeance/ (http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/v-for-vendetta-v-for-vengeance/)
You better stop provoking right now, because I am about to click a button that won't allow you back on this forum. I am getting complaints about your behavior and to be honest, you are starting to piss me off.
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souza wrote
So you are actually admitting here that you stir up things on purpose?.
harmlesfun !!
is that an awful word??
English is not my first language u now .
what i meant was i will not cause harm to any one!!
and yes i am having fun !
is that means i stir up things ??
Oh wait a second ??
stir up things in ur dictionary means disagreeing withe u !!
aha ... i see now !!
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souza wrote
You can say a lot about me, but I never lie. Don't make me post a screenshot...
Do u want me to post a picture of mj holding "this is it " poster ??
Come on now give me a break !!
May be i dont know every thing about mj but i really know this :
mj said he is not a child molester
i believe him
mj said he is not gay
i believe him
so if u dont believe that he is not gay then u do believe he is a child muolester !!
its as simple as that
Remember what he said ??
Oh .. excuse me ..i forget that u r not a fan so ofcurse u dont remember it !!
but we the fans now that he said :
"If u dont hear it from me then it is not true" .
and because I am an mj fan i chose to believe him .
Squall,
Hey, let it rest. OK. It's all good. You believe he wasn't gay. He stated it more than once so you know what, let it rest! :)
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In this forum no one has stated categorically that Michael is gay, much less pedophile.
The intolerance is the mental framework, the root from which sprout, social, political, economic or cultural attitudes and behaviours that are detrimental to groups or persons, making human relations. It could be, as a result, defined as all behavior, forms of expression or attitude that violates or DENIGRATING the rights of others, or invites violating them or refuse them.
In their incarnations or demonstrations, enshrined as superior value, not the person with their own different identities, but identity faced with the other
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prolly going to make someone mad here but the 'Subject' of this post is exactly the crap that gets all the hype started. Why even post paporrazi crap like this. I hate to even see the name MJ and Gay in the same sentence. This post feeds those who want to believe all the media hpye. This one belongs in the trash. DELETE.
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prolly going to make someone mad here but the 'Subject' of this post is exactly the crap that gets all the hype started. Why even post paporrazi crap like this. I hate to even see the name MJ and Gay in the same sentence. This post feeds those who want to believe all the media hpye. This one belongs in the trash. DELETE.
Maybe you didn't read it :roll:
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DUDE, u don't wanna see Souza clicking that button she mentioned before, so please, is enough!!..u said to much already!! :roll: ....if u really believe is all for L.O.V.E. stop talkin, and start to think in the right way!...c'mon!
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prolly going to make someone mad here but the 'Subject' of this post is exactly the crap that gets all the hype started. Why even post paporrazi crap like this. I hate to even see the name MJ and Gay in the same sentence. This post feeds those who want to believe all the media hpye. This one belongs in the trash. DELETE.
Maybe you didn't read it :roll:
I wasnt tryin to be mean souza...just saying the Caption got my attention and makes me shake my head. I just didnt want to read 6 pages of folks tryin to second guess MJ. :( :? :( :? :( :? :| :| :|
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@loveratheart4mj
Why Is this "paporrazi crap?
The only reason why this thread would be deleted is because there are lots of ignorant
people with no sense of humor or reading skills to fully understand the real meaning of this thread.
If you got past the name of it, you'd see that there is a lot of good information.
Before everyone gets their panties in a bunch, read the whole thing with an open mind.
Don't judge a thread by it's name.
Please. It was obviously a simple joke. ;)
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@loveratheart4mj
Why Is this "paporrazi crap?
The only reason why this thread would be deleted is because there are lots of ignorant
people with no sense of humor or reading skills to fully understand the real meaning of this thread.
If you got past the name of it, you'd see that there is a lot of good information.
Before everyone gets their panties in a bunch, read the whole thing with an open mind.
Don't judge a thread by it's name.
Please. It was obviously a simple joke. ;)
Being the sister of someone who is VERY Gay and i couldnt love him more than i do.....i would NEVER EVER post a joke about someones sexualality.
Thats pretty must like posting
ITS TRUE, LOVERATHEART IS GAY AND I HAVE PROOF... yeah thats going to get attention and ALOT of attention for all the wrong reasons. So PERIOD. Im done with all the blah blah blah. I simply said this was my HUMBLE OPINION>
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ANd Im not ignorant and i have VERY good reading skills. :) :) :) :) :) ;)
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~Souza~ wrote
Oh sure, I believe he is a child molester Like I also said I think he is gay in the modern meaning of the word Do you have trouble reading
having trouble in reading is much more better than having it in understanding ;)
I will not repeat my self because even if i do it a 1000 time u still wont understand it !!
There for pleas aloud me to but it in another way maybe this time u wold understand:
SOUZA ... u r a "flying pig " !!
No no no .... waite pleas !!
Befor giting angry could u pleas go and find what that means in wikipedia :lol:
get the point now ?? :mrgreen:
shore not !!
~Souza~ wrote
You better stop provoking right now, because I am about to click a button that won't allow you back on this forum
do what u got to do !!
Its not the end of the world u know !! 8-)
shoting members and locking threads that disagree with u!!
Now ist that the story of ur life ??!! :lol:
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"from mjs song tabloid junkie"
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
They say he's homosexual
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Infinitylady wrote
Squall,
Hey, let it rest. OK. It's all good. You believe he wasn't gay. He stated it more than once so you know what, let it rest
yes ... i do believe he wasn't gay because he said it !!
i do believe that Dr.Arnold Klein is a lier .
how in the world could i believe some one that said mj always like to pee in front of children ?!!
he does not worth mjs trust to be apart of the hoax after saying such a bad thing ??
i do believe that Dr.Arnold Klein and his assistants are liers .
he has his own agenda and let me tell you that it's not an innocent one !!
This man has nothing to do with the hoax and only time will prove me right .
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Infinitylady
Thanks
u really have a beautiful way responding !!
i think SOUZA and MO should learn from u how to communicate with members .
for u only i sure will give it a rest now .
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/images/smilies/a010-1.gif)
One last thing ..some mjs fan post this to Dr.Arnold Klein in a nother fourm ... i really love it :
"DR KLIEN YOU DISGUST ME TO MY VERY CORE, ALONG WITH YOUR FAME HUNGRY EX ASSISTANT.
CRAWL BACK UNDER YOUR STONE AND NEVER LET ME HEAR YOU TALK BAD STUFF ABOUT MICHAEL AGAIN" !! .
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I will see u all in 9-5-2010 at hoax videos section if i am still a member then !!
If not then ther is always another hoax fourm .
up until then i have nothing more to add .
"GOD PLEES"
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so if u dont believe that he is not gay then u do believe he is a child muolester !!
Wow! Excellent logic there my friend. :roll:
The thing that bugs me is not whether he was straight or gay or bi or whatever, but the fact that if what's been said about their relationship is true then clearly Michael didn't want to broadcast it (for whatever reason). So why should it be broadcast now? - when he isn't exactly in a position to argue for or against it himself...
(please excuse any spelling or grammar mishaps, it is late and I'm tired but can't get to sleep... *grumblegrumble*)
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Squall-Lionheart publishes the names of everyone who has said that Michael is gay, I have not read the first
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Lol.I get that this was intended as a joke/funny(I laughed) but as you all most likely know,sexuality isnt much of a laughing matter.I dont have a problem with gay people,like i dont care.I dont feel the need to unneccessarily bother a human being over what gender they are attracted to,whether it be the same or different.im not trying 2 glorify myself with that or suggest im some kind of activist btw because thats cheesy and annoys me when others do.He couldve been lying,ya know,gotta consider that tbh.Possibly If michael is gay then too 'bad',oh well,cool.But what I know of,he seems straight.Obviously if something isnt true you deny it, well because ITS NOT THE TRUTH,especially on sexuality.duh!so people saying that he isnt arent neccessarily homophobic.People calling you gay isnt just something that should be taken lightly because it comes with a negative connotation.If others catch on you can get bashed and looked at differently because of that lie.Sometimes it can go way far,too far.Im not done.
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@loveratheart4mj
Why Is this "paporrazi crap?
The only reason why this thread would be deleted is because there are lots of ignorant
people with no sense of humor or reading skills to fully understand the real meaning of this thread.
If you got past the name of it, you'd see that there is a lot of good information.
Before everyone gets their panties in a bunch, read the whole thing with an open mind.
Don't judge a thread by it's name.
Please. It was obviously a simple joke. ;)
Being the sister of someone who is VERY Gay and i couldnt love him more than i do.....i would NEVER EVER post a joke about someones sexualality.
Thats pretty must like posting
ITS TRUE, LOVERATHEART IS GAY AND I HAVE PROOF... yeah thats going to get attention and ALOT of attention for all the wrong reasons. So PERIOD. Im done with all the blah blah blah. I simply said this was my HUMBLE OPINION>
Being ALSO the sister of someone who is gay, I think people are over reacting. What is so bad about being gay? What would be so bad if Mike were gay? Please note (and I will say it AGAIN) that I do NOT think he is gay, see my original post please.
What if the title of the thread was: "It's true, Mike is straight and I have proof"? I don't think there would be anyone that would feel offended. That means people are still in a way discriminating gay people.
And for the last time, read the post itself please, instead of just the title.
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geeezzz! i can't believe this discourse is even going on...
to me it was clear from the beginning that this is NOT about mike being gay or not, but about the ORIGINAL meaning of the word. i could care less about mike's sexual orientation, that won't change the genius of the man and my admiration for that!!! period!!!
all these die-hard fans claiming to know mike better than anyone also claim a right to be the only ones entitled to admire mike and to say what they think? why?
i also know that mike himself said he wasn't gay, everybody ever working with him or close to him said that, too. and anyone with a functioning brain can see that arne and jason are making this up, for whatever reason. where does this anger come from? if some people here are such die-hard fans, they shouldn't even bother with that question, if they are so damn sure about what 'their' mike would and wouldn't do.
what a waste of time and energy. souza, do your thing, whatever you feel is right. but don't let that take another minute of your precious time and energy.
:mrgreen:
edit: anyone in here should also know by now that souza and mo have a very dístinct humor and that a headline is just that...READ, PEOPLE!
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geeezzz! i can't believe this discourse is even going on...
to me it was clear from the beginning that this is NOT about mike being gay or not, but about the ORIGINAL meaning of the word. i could care less about mike's sexual orientation, that won't change the genius of the man and my admiration for that!!! period!!!
all these die-hard fans claiming to know mike better than anyone also claim a right to be the only ones entitled to admire mike and to say what they think? why?
i also know that mike himself said he wasn't gay, everybody ever working with him or close to him said that, too. and anyone with a functioning brain can see that arne and jason are making this up, for whatever reason. where does this anger come from? if some people here are such die-hard fans, they shouldn't even bother with that question, if they are so damn sure about what 'their' mike would and wouldn't do.
what a waste of time and energy. souza, do your thing, whatever you feel is right. but don't let that take another minute of your precious time and energy.
:mrgreen:
edit: anyone in here should also know by now that souza and mo have a very dístinct humor and that a headline is just that...READ, PEOPLE!
very well said tabloidburn! :mrgreen:
i love the humor of mo and souza!
and i love the way you put your thoughts here...
i´m a mj fan and i think that nobody have the truth and the all truth, we are here investigaing, having fun sometimes and helping eachother...
we have all different cultures, languages, beliefes... and we are all here, with the same love for this man who change the world for ever, even if you are a fan of his music, even if you admire him, even if you like him... L.O.V.E.
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I have not homophobic feelings, sexuality is a matter of personality CADA, I'm not interested. That I have a nephew is gay and I love him the same way that any member of my family Other ;)
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IM GAY AND I THINK MJ IS GAY AND I SEEM TO BE THE ONLY ONE HERE. BUT NOT THAT IT MATTERS ANYWAYS. I LOVE HIM EITHER WAY.
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@loveratheart4mj
Why Is this "paporrazi crap?
The only reason why this thread would be deleted is because there are lots of ignorant
people with no sense of humor or reading skills to fully understand the real meaning of this thread.
If you got past the name of it, you'd see that there is a lot of good information.
Before everyone gets their panties in a bunch, read the whole thing with an open mind.
Don't judge a thread by it's name.
Please. It was obviously a simple joke. ;)
Being the sister of someone who is VERY Gay and i couldnt love him more than i do.....i would NEVER EVER post a joke about someones sexualality.
Thats pretty must like posting
ITS TRUE, LOVERATHEART IS GAY AND I HAVE PROOF... yeah thats going to get attention and ALOT of attention for all the wrong reasons. So PERIOD. Im done with all the blah blah blah. I simply said this was my HUMBLE OPINION>
Being ALSO the sister of someone who is gay, I think people are over reacting. What is so bad about being gay? What would be so bad if Mike were gay? Please note (and I will say it AGAIN) that I do NOT think he is gay, see my original post please.
What if the title of the thread was: "It's true, Mike is straight and I have proof"? I don't think there would be anyone that would feel offended. That means people are still in a way discriminating gay people.
And for the last time, read the post itself please, instead of just the title.
It is true if the title read: It's true, Mike is straight and I have proof"?
then YES there would be alot more happier people on here (myself included)
We live in a world where still people are judged by their sexuality, race, religion etc
I dont think that is ever going to change. There is always some body who has something to say and is going to put people down for it and discriminate
I wouldnt mind at all if Michael were an open Gay man. However i dont believe for a second
he is. Just the actual thought of something being written about our Michael (us MJ fans)
who we all love that is not true (or at least we believe it isnt) just rubs us in the wrong way
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We live in a world where still people are judged by their sexuality, race, religion etc
I dont think that is ever going to change. There is always some body who has something to say and is going to put people down for it and discriminate
Only if we would let that happen...
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Long time a go the word gay means happy .
now it means homosexual so as we all know that we live in present time:roll: it clear that it means homosexual .
no body is given a d*** what it means 100 years ago!!
pleas dont make a simple word that every body knows so complicated for us !!
Dr.Arnold Klein sayed MJ was gay and by that he means homosexual ...it doest need a genius to figure it out .
thats all i am saying .
Well it actualy IS important what a word meant 100 years ago, and people SHOULD give a damn, the more you know about words, the better you read and really understand what is meant by them.
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Long time a go the word gay means happy .
now it means homosexual so as we all know that we live in present time:roll: it clear that it means homosexual .
no body is given a d*** what it means 100 years ago!!
pleas dont make a simple word that every body knows so complicated for us !!
Dr.Arnold Klein sayed MJ was gay and by that he means homosexual ...it doest need a genius to figure it out .
thats all i am saying .
Well it actualy IS important what a word meant 100 years ago, and people SHOULD give a damn, the more you know about words, the better you read and really understand what is meant by them.
i 2nd that...
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We live in a world where still people are judged by their sexuality, race, religion etc
I dont think that is ever going to change. There is always some body who has something to say and is going to put people down for it and discriminate
It sucks when it's your own family....
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We live in a world where still people are judged by their sexuality, race, religion etc
I dont think that is ever going to change. There is always some body who has something to say and is going to put people down for it and discriminate
It sucks when it's your own family....
Yes it does. It is very sad indeed.
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Long time a go the word gay means happy .
now it means homosexual so as we all know that we live in present time:roll: it clear that it means homosexual .
no body is given a d*** what it means 100 years ago!!
pleas dont make a simple word that every body knows so complicated for us !!
Dr.Arnold Klein sayed MJ was gay and by that he means homosexual ...it doest need a genius to figure it out .
thats all i am saying .
Well it actualy IS important what a word meant 100 years ago, and people SHOULD give a damn, the more you know about words, the better you read and really understand what is meant by them.
I agree. My mother who is now over 60 said the same thing. That word did mean differently till now.
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Double?
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Double?
Whachu talkin' 'bout Willis?
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Double?
Whachu talkin' 'bout Willis?
LOL well Michael did use doubles maybe one of his doubles was homosexual and had a relationship with that guy who knows lol
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Double?
Whachu talkin' 'bout Willis?
LOL well Michael did use doubles maybe one of his doubles was homosexual and had a relationship with that guy who knows lol
yeah maybe...and maybe JP thought it was the real Michael :lol:
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Double?
Whachu talkin' 'bout Willis?
LOL well Michael did use doubles maybe one of his doubles was homosexual and had a relationship with that guy who knows lol
yeah maybe...and maybe JP thought it was the real Michael :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
That would be soo embarrassing.
But I think it might be highly possible. But there still is one question.
Wouldn't he know it was a double? I mean, Michael's face is everywhere and Jason would know his Bo looks different.
He couldn't possibly look (and sound) EXACTLY like Michael.. yaddada mean?
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Haha, I NEVER thought about that, guys! ^_^
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Double?
Whachu talkin' 'bout Willis?
LOL well Michael did use doubles maybe one of his doubles was homosexual and had a relationship with that guy who knows lol
yeah maybe...and maybe JP thought it was the real Michael :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
That would be soo embarrassing.
But I think it might be highly possible. But there still is one question.
Wouldn't he know it was a double? I mean, Michael's face is everywhere and Jason would know his Bo looks different.
He couldn't possibly look (and sound) EXACTLY like Michael.. yaddada mean?
Well the double fooled and still fools us when this is it came out even im having a hard time telling which is which and has even fooled long time Michael Jackson fans so it could be a possibility, with Michael I always tell myself expect the unexpected I mean he is in hoax mode right now so anything is possible
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just thought
are we giving this topic more air time that it needs
Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
The hounding media in hysteria
Who's the next for you to resurrect
JFK exposed the CIA
Truth be told the grassy knoll
The blackmail story in all your glory
It's Slander
You say it's not a sword
But with your pen you torture men
You'd crucify the Lord
And you don't have to read it
And you don't have to eat it
To buy it is to feed it
So why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
They say he's homosexual
In the hood
Frame him if you could
Shoot to kill
To blame him if you will
If he dies sympathize
Such false witnesses
Damn self righteousness
In the black
Stab me in the back
In the face
To lie and shame the race
Heroine and Marilyn
The headline stories of
All your glory
It's slander
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
If you don't go and buy it
Then they won't glorify it
To read it sanctifies it
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
She's blonde and she's bisexual
Scandal
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it
Then they won't glorify it
To read it sanctifies it
Why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Slander
You say it's not a sin
But with your pen you torture men
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
You're so damn disrespectable
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just thought
are we giving this topic more air time that it needs
Where is the slander in my post?? It's what others make of it, not what I posted. I can't help it some people will not discuss the original post.
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Great Explanation ....Sooooo I guess I wasted my time voting Not Gay then!!!!! LMAO...
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And who would or Medea Euripides in this story? :geek:
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Pfeiffer said that he and Jackson connected instantly from his childhood
Pfeiffer was wounded. He tells her to "Extra", "we were sitting there and the two started to cry and I got up I went to him and told him that it will either be Michael... we embraced."
"I know that we loved, I know that he said that all the time." "I think he was probably my soul mate".
Here are some excerpts from the interview with Jason, this is a video I publish Jinan, this is the link:
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=9667 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=9667)
f a man says to another, I love you, does not mean it homoxesual, Michael made him all the time.
Michael was shirtless as Arnie said, and?, .. He is a dermatologist.
The video can be viewed as Michael embraces the man and takes her hands, that does not mean it homoxesual? ;)
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Pfeiffer said that he and Jackson connected instantly from his childhood
Pfeiffer was wounded. He tells her to "Extra", "we were sitting there and the two started to cry and I got up I went to him and told him that it will either be Michael... we embraced."
"I know that we loved, I know that he said that all the time." "I think he was probably my soul mate".
Here are some excerpts from the interview with Jason, this is a video I publish Jinan, this is the link:
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=9667 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=9667)
f a man says to another, I love you, does not mean it homoxesual, Michael made him all the time.
Michael was shirtless as Arnie said, and?, .. He is a dermatologist.
The video can be viewed as Michael embraces the man and takes her hands, that does not mean it homoxesual? ;)
I have to read this later.
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Yes, indeed, let Jason dream on on the "love of his life". MJ was just too kind to every "lost sad soul" in this world ...
I guess Jason is just not too experienced in the media business to understand how it works ... poor guy.