Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TMZ.com => Michael Jackson News => TMZ Articles => Topic started by: DancingTheDream on May 02, 2010, 02:18:19 AM
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Arnie Klein: I Did Not Betray Michael Jackson
Originally posted 8 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
Dr. Arnold Klein -- Michael Jackson's long-time best friend and physician -- tells TMZ he did not betray Michael Jackson by claiming to TMZ that MJ had an affair with Klein's office manager ... and he's freaked out that he's getting "a lot of horrible death threats."
Klein and office manager Jason Pfeiffer were featured on "Extra" a few days ago -- during the interview Pfeiffer claimed to have had a romantic relationship with MJ.
Klein called in during TMZ Live last Friday, and said Michael was gay and Jason was "the love of his life."
On Saturday, Klein told TMZ he does not believe he betrayed Jackson because Jackson never tried to hide his sexuality. We called Klein out on his statement, because it seems to us MJ went to extreme lengths to keep his sexuality a secret.
Klein told us Saturday, "Was he gay? Yes." He then went on to say his declaration is meant to shoot down rumors that Jackson was a pedophile. And, Klein says, as far as he knows, Jason's alleged two-month relationship is the only gay relationship Jackson ever had.
Pfeiffer says, "Michael was not ashamed of his sexuality."
Klein and Pfeiffer say they have received numerous "horrible death threats" since their statements became widely public this week. They have both been in touch with the FBI and now say they have bodyguards
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0mkp1Zk1w (http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0mkp1Zk1w)
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This is what stuck out to me:
He then went on to say his declaration is meant to shoot down rumors that Jackson was a pedophile.
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Well Dr Klein.....if the shoe fits ....wear it !!! You do deserve whatever happens as you have let loose with your tongue once again and made a mockery of a friendship and a trusted relationship therefore let the chips fall where they may .....and may they fall on your head......and may they land with a great heavy hurtful thump.
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well i dont believe it
but gay pp are not pedophiles, so dont understand that concept
during the 2003/5 thing there were so many women coming saying they had relationships with mike - that was spin probably.
if mike was gay it would not change anything for me, but in my opinion he wasnt.
but does this matter, and why did klien do this, it is a detrayal, and his explanation is silly - and will do more harm to what mike held dear
its awful the majority of mj associates just have no idea about friendship and loyalty
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i am really starting to em "dislike"... no thats a lie i'm starting to hate this "wanna be a celebrity" dr.
a true friend for 20 years would not sell a car givin to them by that friend within 12 months of that friend demise, or jackets the friend gave them and surely would not sell them on such an impersonal market as ebay. for some reason i feel that he is trying to use MJ name to gratify his lifestyle... now after he is gone, he reveals all this... what an extreme user and i better not ever hear that he was an enabler for MJ or that he was one of the dr who gave him sedatives...
maybe he does not know what a good friend is, or what a good dr is for that matter
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Shall we ASK LMP??? Brooke?? Tatum?? Tatjana??? Stepahanie Mills??
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i am really starting to em "dislike"... no thats a lie i'm starting to hate this "wanna be a celebrity" dr.
a true friend for 20 years would not sell a car givin to them by that friend within 12 months of that friend demise, or jackets the friend gave them and surely would not sell them on such an impersonal market as ebay. for some reason i feel that he is trying to use MJ name to gratify his lifestyle... now after he is gone, he reveals all this... what an extreme user and i better not ever hear that he was an enabler for MJ or that he was one of the dr who gave him sedatives...
maybe he does not know what a good friend is, or what a good dr is for that matter
That's exactly what I say- I wish he would stop trying to force his way into the spotlight..
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i am really starting to em "dislike"... no thats a lie i'm starting to hate this "wanna be a celebrity" dr.
a true friend for 20 years would not sell a car givin to them by that friend within 12 months of that friend demise, or jackets the friend gave them and surely would not sell them on such an impersonal market as ebay. for some reason i feel that he is trying to use MJ name to gratify his lifestyle... now after he is gone, he reveals all this... what an extreme user and i better not ever hear that he was an enabler for MJ or that he was one of the dr who gave him sedatives...
maybe he does not know what a good friend is, or what a good dr is for that matter
i agree with you.
this must mean that arnie is not in with the hoax or does it mean he is dead
mike said goodbye to his staff, but is that strange he was going on a world tour?
he spent christmas 2008 with mike - shocking that he is such a turncoat
the cup thing does that mean that mike did not have prostrate problems?
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i am really starting to em "dislike"... no thats a lie i'm starting to hate this "wanna be a celebrity" dr.
a true friend for 20 years would not sell a car givin to them by that friend within 12 months of that friend demise, or jackets the friend gave them and surely would not sell them on such an impersonal market as ebay. for some reason i feel that he is trying to use MJ name to gratify his lifestyle... now after he is gone, he reveals all this... what an extreme user and i better not ever hear that he was an enabler for MJ or that he was one of the dr who gave him sedatives...
maybe he does not know what a good friend is, or what a good dr is for that matter
i agree with you.
this must mean that arnie is not in with the hoax or does it mean he is dead
mike said goodbye to his staff, but is that strange he was going on a world tour?
he spent christmas 2008 with mike - shocking that he is such a turncoat
the cup thing does that mean that mike did not have prostrate problems?
You know, I actually think inserting the fakes into this makes it more realistic than if you don't!
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more thoughts, jason was indecreet with regard to comments made about a client - should klien sack him?
why does klien support indecreet actions of his employees
i understand that debbie rowe did - revealing pics of herself at this centre
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Arnie and Michael wasn't even that close.
There was years between the times they spoke to eachother.
And dear little Arnie, is so backstabbing in this story, it was Michael
who walked in on Arnie and Jason, not the other way around. And there
are solid proofs out there..
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I am sorry but Michael is not gay. What I see occurring here is that there are two sides to this. The good, those involved in some way with the hoax or Michael's true friends and the bad side, those working AGAINST Michael. You can tell who is who by what they have said. Klein seems to be working against Michael and involved in the continuation of the smearing campaign that has been going on for years.
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more thoughts, jason was indecreet with regard to comments made about a client - should klien sack him?
why does klien support indecreet actions of his employees
i understand that debbie rowe did - revealing pics of herself at this centre
Hm, I didn't even think about that- whether it was totally made up or a fake visiting Dr. K he still allowed this Jason to say "personal" stuff about HIS client! That seems to point toward Dr. K making it up and getting this guy to go along for a refreshment of his 15 minutes and a buck or two..Meh.
Mm, LadyandBird, you've got proof? What is it? Me wanna see!
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Shall we ASK LMP??? Brooke?? Tatum?? Tatjana??? Stepahanie Mills??
well only LMP had sex with mike
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Arnie and Michael wasn't even that close.
There was years between the times they spoke to eachother.
And dear little Arnie, is so backstabbing in this story, it was Michael
who walked in on Arnie and Jason, not the other way around. And there
are solid proofs out there..
i think in the TMZ interview - the hour one he said that there were times that he did not see mike around the trial 2005 was one period, so mike had pp giving him the creams and products he needed or other doctors
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Arnie and Michael wasn't even that close.
There was years between the times they spoke to eachother.
And dear little Arnie, is so backstabbing in this story, it was Michael
who walked in on Arnie and Jason, not the other way around. And there
are solid proofs out there..
:lol: :shock: :shock:
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I still stick with my first though of Jason having an affair with a double.
Just because someone looks like Michael Jackson, it doesn't mean it is Michael Jackson.
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I still stick with my first though of Jason having an affair with a double.
Just because someone looks like Michael Jackson, it doesn't mean it is Michael Jackson.
It didn't go down like that, but I can't explain more.
People were there, not only Michael (and yes I mean real Michael)
when this whole thing took place, but I can tell you that much,
Michael was NOT involved in this, he was the one walking in on them.
He was chocked. But people have a way of twisting stories for personal gain.
And that shouldn't be news to us.
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Shall we ASK LMP??? Brooke?? Tatum?? Tatjana??? Stepahanie Mills??
well only LMP had sex with mike
How can we sure of that. only LMP?? We do not know how many nonfamous girlfriends he had :)
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Shall we ASK LMP??? Brooke?? Tatum?? Tatjana??? Stepahanie Mills??
well only LMP had sex with mike
Dude.. you cant say that for sure. I dont think thats true.. but i dont know because i didnt know Michael.. but im guessing a lot went on with that man behind closed doors.
We cannot guess about his private life.
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Shall we ASK LMP??? Brooke?? Tatum?? Tatjana??? Stepahanie Mills??
well only LMP had sex with mike
How can we sure of that. only LMP?? We do not know how many nonfamous girlfriends he had :)
ooooh :geek:
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i am really starting to em "dislike"... no thats a lie i'm starting to hate this "wanna be a celebrity" dr.
a true friend for 20 years would not sell a car givin to them by that friend within 12 months of that friend demise, or jackets the friend gave them and surely would not sell them on such an impersonal market as ebay. for some reason i feel that he is trying to use MJ name to gratify his lifestyle... now after he is gone, he reveals all this... what an extreme user and i better not ever hear that he was an enabler for MJ or that he was one of the dr who gave him sedatives...
maybe he does not know what a good friend is, or what a good dr is for that matter
My thoughts are that Klein wasnt a good friend.. he only stuck around for the money. He had no qualms taking thousands in dollars for facial treatments that Michael didnt need.. also, he had no qualms about sticking needles full of Demerol into his arm either.
Dr Klein = drug pusher.
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My thoughts are that Klein wasnt a good friend.. he only stuck around for the money. He had no qualms taking thousands in dollars for facial treatments that Michael didnt need.. also, he had no qualms about sticking needles full of Demerol into his arm either.
Dr Klein = drug pusher.
They wouldn't see eachother for years and then out of the blue
Arnie would call Michael, telling him that he had seen recent pics
of him in the media and that he is starting to look old. Michael was so
afraid of aging and looking old that he let Arnie do whatever it took,
to remain younglooking. Arnie wasn't as close to M as he claims. He was
often taking advantage of Michaels insecurity to make money.
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My thoughts are that Klein wasnt a good friend.. he only stuck around for the money. He had no qualms taking thousands in dollars for facial treatments that Michael didnt need.. also, he had no qualms about sticking needles full of Demerol into his arm either.
Dr Klein = drug pusher.
They wouldn't see eachother for years and then out of the blue
Arnie would call Michael, telling him that he had seen recent pics
of him in the media and that he is starting to look old. Michael was so
afraid of aging and looking old that he let Arnie do whatever it took,
to remain younglooking. Arnie wasn't as close to M as he claims. He was
often taking advantage of Michaels insecurity to make money.
excuse me for a sec... (aw effin hellz nah please don't tell me this ish **CK NO!!) so he was probably giving him botox injections too! what a dirty **cker!!
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I still have a horrible feeling that Dr Klein is the father of Prince and Paris... if that turns out to be true (which i think it might be).. Michael made a bad decision there.
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I still have a horrible feeling that Dr Klein is the father of Prince and Paris... if that turns out to be true (which i think it might be).. Michael made a bad decision there.
could be why he made sure they would go with his family and not become tortured souls of this user, should he try to get custody
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I still have a horrible feeling that Dr Klein is the father of Prince and Paris... if that turns out to be true (which i think it might be).. Michael made a bad decision there.
I agree with u, Paris looks a LOT like Kleins other daughter..... and ive heard from "someone" that Dr Klein is a father.... :/
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I still have a horrible feeling that Dr Klein is the father of Prince and Paris... if that turns out to be true (which i think it might be).. Michael made a bad decision there.
If it is like that, I think it could have been a really good decision at the time,
but that Arnie became twofaced over the years. I'm sure that he was trustworthy
in the beginning, at least in Michaels opinion. Michael wasn't stupid, but he can't help
if people turns on him later on.
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Mm, LadyandBird, you've got proof? What is it? Me wanna see!
As it is now, the second part of the interview
wasn't even aired, because Michaels estate and Extra, was warned.
If it had been aired, the proof would be in the media by now. Now, there's no need for that.
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I still have a horrible feeling that Dr Klein is the father of Prince and Paris... if that turns out to be true (which i think it might be).. Michael made a bad decision there.
If it is like that, I think it could have been a really good decision at the time,
but that Arnie became twofaced over the years. I'm sure that he was trustworthy
in the beginning, at least in Michaels opinion. Michael wasn't stupid, but he can't help
if people turns on him later on.
it isn't that MJ was stupid, but he was probably in need of friends. i think he planned to use MJ upon first meeting him... it probably started off with little things... and got more extreme over time...
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I still have a horrible feeling that Dr Klein is the father of Prince and Paris... if that turns out to be true (which i think it might be).. Michael made a bad decision there.
If it is like that, I think it could have been a really good decision at the time,
but that Arnie became twofaced over the years. I'm sure that he was trustworthy
in the beginning, at least in Michaels opinion. Michael wasn't stupid, but he can't help
if people turns on him later on.
Yes.. im not saying Michael was stupid.. but he was a bad judge of character at times. Just look at what happened with Bashir!
It wouldnt surprise me that Klein persuaded him to do it with his sperm.. and Debbie was Kleins employer and i have heard the story that it was Klein that put Debbie forward as the surrogate mother in the first place. It wouldnt surprise me if Michael paid Klein for his sperm, either...
I didnt know Klein had another daughter??? Where did she come from and with whom? I thought Klein was gay.
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Since this is death hoax investigation, let me I try to look at this from hoax perspective.
Jason first came out if I recall correctly in August 2009. According to then publication he made pretty interesting comments:
And he said the twice-wed star began acting strangely two weeks before his shock death.
Pfeiffer, who told his story to Aussie mag Woman's Day, said: "He completely changed in the final two weeks.
"He was overly religious, overly dramatic, exhausting and exhausted.
"He was saying goodbyes the week before passing. Everyone was creeped out by it.
"Michael got very retrospective in the last few weeks, he was talking about God and the Mayan calendar and the year 2012 - which is when the Mayan calendar ends.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... z0ml4GI1cN (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2599439/Jason-Pfeiffer-claims-he-was-Jackos-gay-lover.html#ixzz0ml4GI1cN)
I recall that Arnie did also say at some point about MJ saying good-byes to everybody in his office.
Let’s assume for a moment they both are in the hoax and the purpose here is to give the massage on MJ saying good-byes (clue, he was planning sth) plus Mayan calendar (TII: we have only four years?, 2012 movie links? end of the world?).
Maybe there is something more behind this?
If they are in the hoax then maybe Jason's purpose/role is not to tell MJ was gay, but instead the gay stuff is just for his story to get a chance to get enough publicity? Probably he would not have a chance to get such publicity if he would just say: hi, I knew Michael Jackson and two weeks before he died he told me about Mayan calendar, end of world and then he said good-bye?
There was very interesting TS post on 2012 (just as a reminder):
4-33. Does the NWO Promote the End of the World?
Clearly, the 911 call at 12:21 fits very well with the planned timing. So if it was really planned murder, and not a planned hoax: then the NWO conspiracy team decided to promote the end of the world concept, as part of the plan. Now it is quite understandable that MJ himself, who believes the Bible and knows it very well, it is easy to accept that he would want to warn about the end of the world.
But why would NWO murderers do that? They don’t believe in the end of the world soon, or ever for that matter; they don’t care about warning people to get ready, and they have no reason to promote such a message. If they thought that the current world would soon be destroyed, then they would not spend all the money and energy trying to set up their own world order!
Another point is that it’s very unlikely for NWO murderers to understand the Bible well enough to know about inclusive reckoning, and come up with the plan for 77 days and 7 days to 9-9-09 (inclusive). And MJ has not used inclusive reckoning publicly in the past; so they couldn’t merely watch how he operates, and then mimic him to make it look like he was behind the timing.
Last but not least: God would not cooperate in a NWO plot to murder MJ, and make it look like a hoax. But on 3-6-09 (immediately after the O2 press conference) God did step in and reverse the NWO plot to destroy the economy; with a low of 666, the fastest six-month rally in history started on 3-9-09 (and six months later was 9-9-09).
Although God would not be involved in a murder plot, it is quite likely that God would help in a plan to warn about the end of the world, to expose the NWO conspiracy, and to turn the NWO upside down (666 pyramid to 999). “The LORD ... relieveth the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.” (Psalm 146:9; see Isaiah 24:1; Acts 17:6).
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I still have a horrible feeling that Dr Klein is the father of Prince and Paris... if that turns out to be true (which i think it might be).. Michael made a bad decision there.
If it is like that, I think it could have been a really good decision at the time,
but that Arnie became twofaced over the years. I'm sure that he was trustworthy
in the beginning, at least in Michaels opinion. Michael wasn't stupid, but he can't help
if people turns on him later on.
Yes.. im not saying Michael was stupid.. but he was a bad judge of character at times. Just look at what happened with Bashir!
It wouldnt surprise me that Klein persuaded him to do it with his sperm.. and Debbie was Kleins employer and i have heard the story that it was Klein that put Debbie forward as the surrogate mother in the first place. It wouldnt surprise me if Michael paid Klein for his sperm, either...
I didnt know Klein had another daughter??? Where did she come from and with whom? I thought Klein was gay.
yes how convienient? to have a surrogate mother right there in the wings... right there in the same office...
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Yes.. im not saying Michael was stupid.. but he was a bad judge of character at times. Just look at what happened with Bashir!
I know what you mean. I just don't wanna look at it like it was Michaels bad judgement.
Those people could very well seem credible, nice and trustworthy. He wasn't more then a human,
I don't think he was naive or had bad judgement, I just think those fooling him, were very good at
what they were doing.
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Just a reminder about Dr Klein.........and the green jacket...(green means jealousy, envy) Maybe Klein is gay and was in love with MJ 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Debbie Rowe finks on Dr. Arnie Klein
Aug 27, 2009, 9:10 GMT
The late singer's ex-wife anonymously informed officers the dermatologist was supplying the tragic pop star with prescription drugs - including the powerful anaesthetic Propofol, which has been blamed for his death - using a number of different aliases. EPA/AARON LAMBERT/SANTA MARIA
Debbie Rowe allegedly reported Michael Jackson's doctor Arnold Klein to the police.
The late singer's ex-wife anonymously informed officers the dermatologist was supplying the tragic pop star with prescription drugs - including the powerful anaesthetic Propofol, which has been blamed for his death - using a number of different aliases.
Court documents show an "unknown female caller" - believed to be Rowe - told police Michael used names including Omar Arnold, Fernand Diaz, Peter Madonie and Josephine Baker when he saw Klein, to allow the medic to prescribe him extra drugs.
A source told Britain's The Sun newspaper: "Rowe holds Klein totally responsible for Jackson's drug addiction. She believes there is no way he could have got hooked without the help of Klein - and she is potentially the only one who can prove it. She must have suspected what was going on for years."
When police searched Michael's Los Angeles home in June, they discovered a prescription issued by Klein for an Omar Arnold.
Former nurse Rowe - who is the birth mother of Michael's eldest two children, 12-year-old Prince Michael I and Paris, 11 - was working for Klein in the 90s when she started a relationship
with the 'King of Pop'.
Earlier this week, the Los Angeles County coroner's report found Michael had died of a cardiac arrest on June 25 caused by a cocktail of drugs - including lethal levels of Propofol - he had been administered to help him sleep.
Michael's personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, is being investigated for manslaughter over the singer's death, which is now being treated as homicide.
The Los Angeles County Coroner's office is currently sorting through discrepancies in Murray's story of events leading up to the death.
His statement says he administered Propofol to Michael at 10.40am and left 10 minutes later to use the bathroom. He claims he discovered an unconscious Michael two minutes later.
However, Murray did not ask security to call emergency services until 12.21pm, after he had reportedly telephoned Klein for advice, called a lawyer and made one other mystery call.
Because of an inconsistency in the late star's body temperature, it is believed he could have died even earlier.
Meanwhile, a 24-year-old man named Prince Michael Malachi Jet Jackson claims he is the singer's secret child.
A creditor's claim was filed in Los Angeles yesterday (26.08.09) by the man requesting a DNA rest to prove he is the biological son of the 'Thriller' singer.
A birth certificate was also submitted, which names Michael Joseph Jackson of Indiana
as the father and Zerline LaVette Dixon as his mother.
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/peopl ... rnie-Klein (http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_1497692.php/Debbie-Rowe-finks-on-Dr-Arnie-Klein)
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There are photos confirming that it was A+J that was messing around, not J+M.
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I'm sorry but I feel that Arnie Klein is a liar and shady. The way he talks he doesn't even sound professional to me. He just seem creepy and kinda idiotic. I also have a feeling that Klein may have been trying to set MJ up somehow. I think after the 25th of June he even tried to keep Debbie Rowe away from his office and she was his former employee. When I saw him speaking on Larry King I believe it was after MJ supposed death I just get bad vibes from him. I get worse vibes about him than Dr. Murray. For some reason I'm still not completely against Murray yet. I just feel there is a bigger picture in this whole situation. Isn't is kinda odd that Klein is now receiving death threats but you never hear anyone trying to attack Murray? We've even seen photos of Murray out and about just hanging out and no crazed MJ fan has attacked him yet? Who knows what kind of things Arnie Klein has done regarding Michael in the past. He may have started out as a friend but I think he turned into a foe. A good friend don't tell their friend's business. I'm sorry but I think that Jason is also not telling the truth. If MJ was really having an affair with him I'm sorry that would have been leaked way before now because people was constantly stalking MJ and was up in his business. Plus all the photos we see of Jason and MJ they are with other people not by themselves. We have seen pics of MJ and Lisa Marie alone, MJ and Diana Ross alone, MJ and Tatiana, MJ and Stephanie Mills, He and Brooke Shields, Shana Mangatal and even with his former nanny Grace. Klein says MJ is gay but why is there footage of him checking out girls, looking at their bodies and sniffing their hair on Youtube. I'm sorry I don't buy into their stories.
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wasnt that mike jacket?
didnt arnie say on TMZ that he was with the plan to use other names to get mj the meds
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There are photos confirming that it was A+J that was messing around, not J+M.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Classic. Love it.
i also love the fact that MJ fans and friends have fought for Michael and WON!! Forced the media to back down and stop the airing of the interview.
See what happens when we all stand up as one?? I hope that Michael feels this.. he would be so proud to see this. It would make his heart burst.
We are slowly winning the war against the lying tabloids!!
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I still have a horrible feeling that Dr Klein is the father of Prince and Paris... if that turns out to be true (which i think it might be).. Michael made a bad decision there.
I agree with u, Paris looks a LOT like Kleins other daughter..... and ive heard from "someone" that Dr Klein is a father.... :/
Ive never heard of Klein having a daughter. Do you have a picture?? I thought Klein was gay.. i even remember in a TMZ interview Klein stated he didnt have kids and didnt want them?.. although he conceded he may be the bio father of Prince and Paris.
You are not mistaken with Mark Lester, are you? I know Mark Lester also said he thought he could be the bio father and Mark Lesters daughter does look very similar to Paris.
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i also love the fact that MJ fans and friends have fought for Michael and WON!! Forced the media to back down and stop the airing of the interview.
See what happens when we all stand up as one?? I hope that Michael feels this.. he would be so proud to see this. It would make his heart burst.
We are slowly winning the war against the lying tabloids!!
Yes, together we are strong, but let's not forget that it wasn't only fans that made
it turn out like this, those who really knew him, that went to his estate and Extra,
those were the ones in real power, with real evidence. I'm not saying the fans made
a big impact, because ofcourse they did. But I'm happy we have people really close to
him, standing up for him in those situations aswell. I'm sure the story would've aired
if it wasn't for those two who threatened to release all the facts and photos against A+J.
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Shall we ASK LMP??? Brooke?? Tatum?? Tatjana??? Stepahanie Mills??
well only LMP had sex with mike
to clarify, brooke, tatum, tatjana and mills have all said that their relationship was mike was non sexual
LMP said she had a full relationship with mike
and for the record i dont care what sexuality he was or how ofter either, thats the mans business, and as i have said before if he was not in a relationship - thats not a crime.
but i am glad that he had a full life
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to clarify, brooke, tatum, tatjana and mills have all said that their relationship was mike was non sexual
LMP said she had a full relationship with mike
and for the record i dont care what sexuality he was or how ofter either, thats the mans business, and as i have said before if he was not in a relationship - thats not a crime.
but i am glad that he had a full life
This is not about being gay or straight, or that it would be anything wrong with him being gay.
This is about that it's completly false allegations, and that it was A+J messing around and that
they now try to twist the story. And that's why it needs clarification.
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pardon me for contributing - i will go now at your leave
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Do you think they are trying to blackmail the Michael Jackson estate?
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pardon me for contributing - i will go now at your leave
I do not understand. Did I offend you?
I just tried to point out why it is important that it's discussed..
I'm sorry if I upset you.
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He is a slime ball why sell your car mentioning the links with michael. It was just to make more money why didn't he just sell the car he didn't have to do that. But he knew how much more he could make mentioning that name. I don't care if michael was gay but he if he wanted the world to. Know he would have told us I know things about my dead friends but I keep them to myself for my dead friends sake and my loyalty to them.
Loyal friends is what michael needed and he was not one of them
How can you tell a friend who has image problems you need work done. Only one reason
MONEY
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He is a slime ball why sell your car mentioning the links with michael. It was just to make more money why didn't he just sell the car he didn't have to do that. But he knew how much more he could make mentioning that name. I don't care if michael was gay but he if he wanted the world to. Know he would have told us I know things about my dead friends but I keep them to myself for my dead friends sake and my loyalty to them.
Loyal friends is what michael needed and he was not one of them
How can you tell a friend who has image problems you need work done. Only one reason
MONEY
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well i dont believe it
but gay pp are not pedophiles, so dont understand that concept
during the 2003/5 thing there were so many women coming saying they had relationships with mike - that was spin probably.
if mike was gay it would not change anything for me, but in my opinion he wasnt.
but does this matter, and why did klien do this, it is a detrayal, and his explanation is silly - and will do more harm to what mike held dear
its awful the majority of mj associates just have no idea about friendship and loyalty
lol - seems odd when at the same time the representative for the Vatican said that they were trying to reduce the number of paedophile cases by restricting gays from entering the clergy. They seemed to tie it in and of course there was uproar.
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Well first of all i want to say that a gay is not a pedophile and there aren't no conncections in it...im tired to see ...to read to watch on tv people that make this connections...this is ignorance and an heavy offence to all gay community all over the whole world and firstly to all sane human beings...a gay is not a perverted!!! Is not a sick man!!! Is not a shame or wrong to be gay!!! Gay people can love a person as a heterosexual...have feelings and good projects of life with the person whom love them....so i dont agree when somebody is scandalized to know that mj is gay...well with this i dont agree nor with mr klein that betrayed mj in a lot of times...after mj is"gone" neither with mr pfeiffer ..they are not loyal friends of mj and they need only attention to the whole world audience to make money under mj name that betrayed not once but a lot a lot of times.. im tiring to read this garbage about mj ....you know they are doing this cuz mj cannot defend himself now...for obvious reasons....so i pray they stop to continue to ruin a man that is FREE to hide and to dont want to speak about... and to live his sexulaity as he wants!!!! thank you for your attention reading this...
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Do you think TMZ have paid Klein for this interview today??
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gaaahhh...not for one SECOND do i believe that mike was gay, let go have an affair with that fat, cock-eyed b*tch jason pfeiffer. i have no idea what klein and his 'associate' are aiming at but they are only making themselves look more ridiculous with each time they open their filthy mouths. in the beginning, i thought arnie was an upright guy, but now he's acting the sh!t outta some 'voodoo' hollywood celebrity doc who 'rebuilt michael's face' and whatnot...i can't stand it anymore how he boasts about how good he is. he might be good in his field but a little more humbleness wouldn't hurt here, IMO. and now he's def going down the wrong track!
if mike was gay, why on earth is his musical director telling stories from rehearsals how mike was thinking up a stage scene with him and orianthi in a bed, saying: 'don't worry, i can handle it, too'...and why are his bodyguards telling stories about mike 'chewing gum real loud' in the back of the limo with girls...very gay, indeed...NOT!!!
i rather believe people who have worked for or with mike over a respectable amount of time. none of them ever said anything about him being gay or possibly bisexual. anybody who has encountered mike on a private or professional level has said how much he was into women and flirting and all of that. mike is a ladies' man. period!
i wish they would all finally stop throwing dirt at mike trying to make a buck. it's like anyone can come up with the most outrageous BS and get paid for it, too. YOU ARE DISGUSTING ME...mike said it himself (2Bad from 'ghosts').
rant end :mrgreen:
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I still stick with my first though of Jason having an affair with a double.
Just because someone looks like Michael Jackson, it doesn't mean it is Michael Jackson.
It just dawned on me: wouldn't it be amazing if this whole issue would make people finally accept that Mike did use doubles? I mean, it seems that most people are offended and upset by the possibility of Mike being gay and totally reject it, and therefor might be receptive to the double issue now.
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Also, this jumps out at me:
And, Klein says, as far as he knows, Jason's alleged two-month relationship is the only gay relationship Jackson ever had
Why would Michael wait until the grand old age of 50 to suddenly decide he was gay / or act upon his homosexual feelings. I mean.. to wait half a decade??
Shamone, now.. this part makes no sense!
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I still stick with my first though of Jason having an affair with a double.
Just because someone looks like Michael Jackson, it doesn't mean it is Michael Jackson.
It just dawned on me: wouldn't it be amazing if this whole issue would make people finally accept that Mike did use doubles? I mean, it seems that most people are offended and upset by the possibility of Mike being gay and totally reject it, and therefor might be receptive to the double issue now.
SURE.... They prefer to accept that he used (uses) doubles instead of being gay... :arrow:
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I love this comment someone posted on TMZ. Ive copied and pasted here:
43. 4 471 Photo of female image 3711
5 472 Photo of female image 3711
6 473 Photo of female image 3711
7 474 Photo of female image 3711
8 475 Photo of female image 3711
9 476 Hustler centerfold,
10 August 1992 3711
11 477 Playboy centerfold, Miss October 3711
12 478 Registration card for
13 briefcase 3711
14 479 Playboy centerfold, Miss November 3711
15 480 Playboy centerfold,
16 Miss March 3711
17 481 Hustler centerfold, June 1993 3711
18 482 Page 28 from “G-Spot”
19 article 3711
20 483 Playboy centerfold, unknown date 3711
21 484 Penthouse Page No. 153-154 3711
22 485 Centerfold, Miss May 3711
23 486 Penthouse, Page 8 3711
24 487 Penthouse centerfold 3711
25 488 Playboy centerfold 3711
26 489 Penthouse centerfold 3711
27 490 Penthouse, August 1991 3711
28 491 Penthouse centerfold 3711
1 E X H I B I T S
2 FOR IN PLAINTIFF’S NO. DESCRIPTION I.D. EVID.
4 492 Club International centerfold 3711
5 493 Penthouse, double page 6/211 3711
6 494 Penthouse centerfold 3711
7 495 Penthouse, May 1992 3711
8 496 Hustler, Centerfold Special Holiday Honey 1991 3711
9 497 Penthouse centerfold 3711
10 498 Penthouse centerfold 3711
11 499 Penthouse, November 1991,
501 Playboy Magaine, Centerfold Miss November, SBSO 31
502 Playboy Nagazine, Centerfold Miss February (Not same:
503 Playboy Magazine, Centerfold Miss December, SBSO #3
504 Al Golstein’s 100 Best Adult Videos Advertisement, SBSO
505 Playboy Magazine, Centerfold SBSO #31722
506 Hustler Magazine Cover, May 1992, SBSO #317BBB
508 Page from Unknown Magazine, SBSO #317CCC
509 Brown Paper Envelope, SBSO #317F
510 Stiff **** for Lynn Magazine (In Notebook
), SBSO #317
511 Barely Legal Magazine, SBSO #3171
512 Just Legal Magazine, (Premier Issue) (In Notebook), SBSO
513 Finally Legal Magazine (In Notebook), SBSO #317L
514 Playboy Magazine, February 1993 (In Notebook), SBSO #317M
515 Hustler Magazine, Barely Legal (In Notebook), SBSO #3170
516 Playboy Magazine, December 1994 (In Notebook), SBSO #317P
517 Playboy Magazine, May 1994 (In Notebook), SBSO #317Q
518 Hustler Magazine, Barely Legal (In Notebook), SBSO #317R
519 Penthouse Magazine (In Notebook), SBSO #317S
520 Visions of Fantasy Magazine, A Hard Rock Affair (In Notebook), SBSO #3171
521 Visions of Fantasy Magazine, Sam Jose’s Black Starlett (In Notebook), SBSO
522 Double ****ing Caroline Magazine (In Notebook) SBSO #317V
523 Big Tits and a Hard Stud Magazine
524 Hustler Magazine, sBSO #317X
525 “The Second Female G-Spot” Article (In Notebook) SBSO #317BB
526 File Folder Title PRN, SBSBO #317DDD
527 File Folder Titled, “Thank You” SBSO #317EEE
528 Celebrity Skin Magazine (In Notebook) SBSO #317FFF
4 531 Oui, March 1998 in binder 3701
5 532 Over 50, Volume 5, #9, 1996 in binder 3700
6 533 XX rated, April 1995; XX
7 Close Up, April 1995 in binder 3701
8 534 Just 18, Volume 4,
9 Issue No. 10 3700
10 535 Plumpers centerfold 3700
11 536 Hustler, August 1992 in binder 3700
12 537 Hustler, April 1998
13 (No cover) in binder 3699
14 538 Penthouse, March 1992 in binder 3699
15 539 Juggs, June 1996
16 in binder 3699
17 540 44 Plus, June 1996 in binder 3699
18 541 Plumpers, May 1996
19 in binder 3698
20 542 Club International, March 1998 in binder 3698
21
543 Live Young Girls, September
22 2003 in binder 3701
23 544 Finally Legal, July 2003 in notebook 3702
24 545 Finally Legal Freshman Class
25 Orgy, August 2002 in binder 3702
26 546 Purely 18, October 2002 3703 in binder
27 547 Purely 18, December 2002
28 in binder 3703
1 E X H I B I T S
2 FOR IN PLAINTIFF’S NO. DESCRIPTION I.D. EVID.
3 548 Tight, November 2002
4 in binder 3703
5 549 Hawk, November 2002 in binder 3704
6 550 Hawk, January 2003
7 in binder 3704
8 551 Live Young Girls, June 2003 in binder 3704
9 554 Girlfriends in binder 3709
10 555 Live Young Girls in binder 3709
11 556 Parade 3709
12 557 Finally Legal, February 2003
13 in binder 3710
14 558 Girls of Barely Legal in binder 3710
15 559 Hawk, February 2003 in binder 3710
16 560... Girlfriends, Special Ediitons
17 in binder 3711
18 563 White binder containing The Girls of Penthouse, August
19 2003 in binder 3708
20 564 White binder containing Barely Legal, July 200
21 in binder 3708
24 Gallery 5/2002 3708
25 580 Binder containing Playboy
26 Couples Volume 2, Issue 2 3707
27 584 Original evidence bag 3707
28 360...2
1 E X H I B I T S
2 FOR IN PLAINTIFF’S NO. DESCRIPTION I.D. EVID.
4 585 White binder containing Barely Legal, Anniversary
5 2002 3707
6 586 Original evidence bag 3705
7 587 White binder containing Naughty Neighbors, December
15 317-O, Hustler Barely Legal 3621 3643
DVDs:
Pimps Up, Hos Down (do***entary)
4 Barely Legal DVDs (Fresh Picked Pink, Dirty Teens Come Clean, Hot! Wet! Tight! Pink! and **** Me I’m Legal)
Michael Ryan’s Believe It Or Not
Sloppy Dogs Presents: **** Me, I’m a Bad Girl
Adult World #2
Internet pornography:
With the ruling, jurors were denied the chance to sample the offerings of Websites such as VarsityTeens.com, TeenSteam.com and Slut1.com. One hard drive alone contained 1,700 photos of “adult erotic material,” Santa Barbara County Deputy District Attorney Gordon Auchincloss said.
1 Item #346: MacIntosh Power Book G3 laptop computer found in Jackson’s master bedroom;
2 which contained:
21 graphic nude female images from “Teen Sex” Internet site.
4 Item #347a: Power Mac G4 located in Jackson’s master bedroom; which contained:
5 19 graphic nude female images;
6 Records of multiple visits to the following websites:
http://www.varsityteens.com (http://www.varsityteens.com)
7 http://www.adoptablekids.com (http://www.adoptablekids.com)
8 http://www.adoption.com (http://www.adoption.com) -
9 Item #347b: Power Mac G4 located in Jackson’s master bedroom; which contained:
10 10 teenage sex imaging; do***entation of user LD as “King 777 tut / privacy 969.”
11 Item #344 Sony, Vaio model PCV —- W20 laptop computer, located adjacent to the master
bedroom; which contained:
12
- Adult erotica: user ID:“Marcel Jackson / Dr. Black.”
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Also just read this:
Klein is under pressure to account for time, Michael spent in
his office...and I'm sure this is the story that Klein gave the to investigators to dodge a bullet
MAKES SENSE!! KLEIN HAS MADE THIS UP TO JUSTIFY MICHAELS TIME IN HIS OFFICE!
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Interesting article today, thanks for sharing it! Arnie Klein was in my opinion never a friend to Michael or maybe he was but he certainly did betray him.
This is quite interesting:
On Saturday, Klein told TMZ he does not believe he betrayed Jackson because Jackson never tried to hide his sexuality.
Michael repeatedly said he was not gay so why say this Arnie Klein? He never tried to hide his sexuality? Uhm he didn't need to hide it because he's not gay. Arnie Klein is making this stuff up for his own purpose!
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does anyone think that this is a diversion
in a sense its abit like our doubles arguments, grabs attention and stops you focusing on other things -sorry to the doubles believes
just a thought
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OMG.. anyone here from Australia? Someone has just made a comment about how, in the Australian press two months after MJ death.. there was a big tadoo in the papers about how it was alledged Klein fondled MJ whilst MJ was knocked out on drugs in his office????
Anyone have a link to this article?
Awful thought.. but what if Jason and Klein got their sweaty hands on MJ whilst MJ was out for the count?
:mrgreen: :o Sorry.. its a barfing thought.
BUT.. the thinking that Klein is saying this NOW because he is under pressure to account for all those hours MJ spent in his office makes sense!!
""Yeah.. MJ had an affair with one of my employees in his final months of his life.. thats why he was always there!... its not because i was providing lots of unnecessary treatments and taking money from Michael for procedures he didnt need""
If it makes sense.. its probably because its the truth.
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i cant believe that mike was sexually molested by these two
are they going to produce a stained item of clothing - like the clinton thing? eek
Ian in his book wrote about mike having affairs with men http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00025578.htm (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00025578.htm) - i think this is all BS
if mike was gay, he was so attracted to beautiful things, do you think he would go with either - nope
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If he was under anaesthetic, he wouldn't know he had been fondled.
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true, but he may have been aware after
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[youtube:1y2svsao]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyQrrx5sZrg[/youtube:1y2svsao]
when i see the pain in mike
i think that comments made from Jason are BS leave him alone
[youtube:1y2svsao]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohsz0vtPEyY[/youtube:1y2svsao]
one minute mike is the sex god, next minute he is so into porn, next minute he is gay, what next... forget it
its all pain, a greater power will judge jason and arnie..
all i feel is extreme pain
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If i ever find the Australian article about Klein fondling MJ whilst he was under aenesthetic i will post it.
The reason i posted the list of porn mags was to display the fact that MJ liked to look at pictures of naked ladies.. completely normal for a hetero guy.
Im not getting into the gay/straight argument.. the reason im posting that is to dispell Klein as a LIAR. He is lying for his own reasons, his own gain.. Klein is trying to dodge a bullet.
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They wouldn't see eachother for years and then out of the blue
Arnie would call Michael, telling him that he had seen recent pics
of him in the media and that he is starting to look old. Michael was so
afraid of aging and looking old that he let Arnie do whatever it took,
to remain younglooking. Arnie wasn't as close to M as he claims. He was
often taking advantage of Michaels insecurity to make money.
Sorry to ask you that @ladyandbird but how come you are saying the same things in your posts in this thread than heismypeterpan said in her tweets on 30th of april?
For ex she wrote:
he knew if he even suggested to Michael that he was looking "old" Michael would freak out and agree to have whatever work done he suggested.
10:45 AM Apr 30th via web
Reply Michael was extremely self-conscious and Arnold knew this but for him, it was all about the $.
10:44 AM Apr 30th via web
Reply (contd.) on TV and he would then proceed to tell Michael what type of work he thought he needed to have done to look younger.
10:44 AM Apr 30th via web
Reply Arnold would call Michael up out of the blue and tell him he'd seen a recent picture of him...
please dont get offended but i had to ask that. Also cause u seem to know much more bout the jason and arnie story than we do..
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I still stick with my first though of Jason having an affair with a double.
Just because someone looks like Michael Jackson, it doesn't mean it is Michael Jackson.
Also to me seems like any person having a pic posing with Michael is claming to have been his lover :roll:
Not even after "dead" he is going to RIP.
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your right gema
Not even after "dead" he is going to RIP.
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Klein betrayed Michael in so many occasions what can we exoect from him he even violated federal health privacy laws,http://www.salon.com/news/environment/vital_signs/2009/07/13/dr_arnold_klein
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It was either in the Australian Womens Weekly or Womans Day in august 09. I think. I don't have the link.
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I still stick with my first though of Jason having an affair with a double.
Just because someone looks like Michael Jackson, it doesn't mean it is Michael Jackson.
It just dawned on me: wouldn't it be amazing if this whole issue would make people finally accept that Mike did use doubles? I mean, it seems that most people are offended and upset by the possibility of Mike being gay and totally reject it, and therefor might be receptive to the double issue now.
Maybe you're right Mo and this is where the "doubles" come into play. Do you think Michael's behind this? Klein has produced a steady stream of lies since June 25th. If he was this shady, why didn't Michael pick up on it earlier? Michael usually cut off people from his life who were hanger-ons... why didn't he do that to Arne? Also, of all people why was Debbie the one to call the whole thing off? Was it purely to protect his children? Perhaps this whole thing was a test to show the fans the power they can have over the media. I don't think this was completely Debbie's doing, I think the fans played a major role.
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Also just read this:
Klein is under pressure to account for time, Michael spent in
his office...and I'm sure this is the story that Klein gave the to investigators to dodge a bullet
MAKES SENSE!! KLEIN HAS MADE THIS UP TO JUSTIFY MICHAELS TIME IN HIS OFFICE!
That makes sense. I now believe that Klein was the one having the affair with Jason Pfieffer, but that's just my own hunch. I think it's already been established that Klein is gay, so he's not hiding that. There must be another reason. I'm trying to figure out what Klein is really hiding...
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I was just reminded that Arnie's assistant was found dead on the sidewalk from an overdose recently and when I read LKL it was stated that Jason is now a CEO of a medical company. Something is very very fishy here. Seems like they are trying to cover their own arses.
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the fact of the matter is, MJ believed that relationships between two people and what happend in them were private. No matter if it's true or not, Klein and Jason have no right flapping their gums in public when MJ is no longer alive to be silent, deny or agree. As for saying MJ wouldn't mind...ba ha ha ha. MJ never answered the "gay" question in public (deposition tape not meant for public so I'm not talking about that) because he said that he didn't want to offend his Gay fans! How is them flapping their gums about the question he avoided any different?
Klein is another "friend" MJ would have added to that famous "hit list" of his....
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[youtube:29jb2s50]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeVt9UEUh-8[/youtube:29jb2s50]
what ever you do
you will not break this man - his soul is stronger
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WELL BEING SUCH A LONG TIME FRIEND N CONFIDANT N BETRAYING MJ IS SOMETHING TERRIBLE N SAD... BUT ARNIE IS NO ONE TO CONFIRM ONES SEXUALITY. IF MJ IS ALIVE I THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD A HUGE CLASH ABOUT SOMETHING VERY SERIOUS . :roll:
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I was just reminded that Arnie's assistant was found dead on the sidewalk from an overdose recently and when I read LKL it was stated that Jason is now a CEO of a medical company. Something is very very fishy here. Seems like they are trying to cover their own arses.
Whoa... WHAT??? Wow... ok. There's something really wrong with this picture. This is serious. Maybe this is about exposing the medical establishment in Hollywood.
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Soo here's the pics you guys may have wanted to see of of Mark Lester's daughter. I think the kids favor him more than Klein soo here's some pics enjoy :)
Soo here's Mark and his daughter
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/15/article-0-0610CDCF000005DC-333_468x428.jpg)
And here's Paris no intro needed
(http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2009/07/paris-jackson-speech-michael-jackson-tribute.jpg)
Now here's a young Mark Lester
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_02/bbeautyms1711_468x530.jpg)
And here's Prince no intro needed 1nce again :D
(http://brenworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/prince-ii-paris-prince-jackson.jpg)
Hope you like the pics ;)
Now with Klein I can't stand him :x !!! I never liked him he makes my blood boil and he just is a HORRIBLE friend :(
Well I can say he's just doing this against Michael(if not hoax-wise) and like it has been said before he wanted Michael but couldn't have him so after Michael's "death" he can get back at him by calling him gay. It's sad it really is
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Good lord. This is absolutely absurd.
It was bad enough for him to claim these things, but then to come out and say he DIDN'T betray MJ when he DID...that's just sick.
I will say a few things. Was Michael gay? Who the hell knows? Personally, I never got the gay vibe from him. Is that because I've always been in love with him? Maybe! lol :lol: BUT...him being gay never would have changed that.
Did Michael ever publically say that he WASN'T gay? YES!!
If he was in fact gay, and he didn't keep his sexuality a secret like Mr. Klein says, then that's a HUGE contradiction.
And lastly, how on earth would being gay make him NOT a pedophile? I mean obviously he's not a pedophile...but I don't understand how that statement makes any sense. Are pedophiles only straight men? I highly doubt it.
I also agree with Mo's statement about the double possibility. That wouldn't surprise me at all. Maybe a double was gay... that would certainly make all the gay rumors make more sense.
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I was looking at the pictures of the doctor and Jason at the TMZ website and for a second I thought they looked like they could be related because of their chins unless I'm just seeing things.
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I was looking at the pictures of the doctor and Jason at the TMZ website and for a second I thought they looked like they could be related because of their chins unless I'm just seeing things.
you know it
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What if this is a test of Michael? Maybe these two are in on the hoax and Michael asked them to talk about this gay thing. Maybe he wants all people to see how the media keep on making this garbage news about him even after his "death" and maybe he wanted to see the reaction of the fans about the case. And that's the reason why TMZ is making a poll about it.
Or it can be something about the double thing like Mo said. We can have another news about that fat guy had a relation with a double and he didn't even know he wasn't the real Michael.
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What if this is a test of Michael? Maybe these two are in on the hoax and Michael asked them to talk about this gay thing. Maybe he wants all people to see how the media keep on making this garbage news about him even after his "death" and maybe he wanted to see the reaction of the fans about the case. And that's the reason why TMZ is making a poll about it.
I think it's quite interesting, the whole thing.
First the Pepsiscandal back in the days and now suddenly Cocacola (their competition) is involved in everything. Back in the days he was accused of being gay, he said he wasn't but people didn't believe him. Now, all of a sudden, the story comes back, but doesn't even air, because everybody is standing up
for him, and no one believes the story. I have a feeling someone is clearing his name, piece by piece.
What's next?
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Or it can be something about the double thing like Mo said. We can have another news about that fat guy had a relation with a double and he didn't even know he wasn't the real Michael.
But it wasn't. There wasn't a double, and there were no affair between J and Michael or even J and a fake Michael. It was J+A who was lovers. They just twisted the story around. There are even witnesses.
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But it wasn't. There wasn't a double, and there were no affair between J and Michael or even J and a fake Michael. It was J+A who was lovers. They just twisted the story around. There are even witnesses.[/quote]
That's good news. Are the witnesses going to speak up? I hope. Are the media commenting on this or is it considered too trashy? I don't have access to American tv.
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That's good news. Are the witnesses going to speak up? I hope. Are the media commenting on this or is it considered too trashy? I don't have access to American tv.
They did. The two of them talked to Extra and Michael Jacksons estate and that together
with some bashing from fans, resulted in the show not airing. Michael Jackson estate is
also considering of suing J+A. There are even photo evidence, that J+A was the lovers.
Right now, there are no point in taking it to media, but they would've if the show had aired.
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They know that I think all this is garbage, how they intend these men return with this, I think if Michael had not tried to hide his sexuality he himself says, it is not considered a shame not hide, OK they need bodyguards and Murray?, what threats, is a lie. Maybe this man is afraid of something and this is the beginning of a series of statements trying to discredit Michael, remember Debbi Rowe said Kein prescribed drugs (again I repeat I am not against homosexuals, but we must recognize it is a taboo topic.)
Finally read the labels below this notice, and is where Arnold Klein says that Michael was "obsessed" to urinate in front of people, 'which are all those people who were urinating?
How strange that do not appear in any television program talking and winning a few dollars. 8-)
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OMG, Michael decides to be gay for 2 months on Arnie Klein's watch? How fucking convenient. :lol: :lol: :lol: And what a crock of shit. The whole explanation wreaks of total narcissism on Arnie's part. Just shut up Arnie. You are making yourself look like a total "outed" idiot.
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OMG, Michael decides to be gay for 2 months on Arnie Klein's watch? How fucking convenient. :lol: :lol: :lol: And what a crock of shit. The whole explanation wreaks of total narcissism on Arnie's part. Just shut up Arnie. You are making yourself look like a total "outed" idiot.
It wouldn't be the first time. That man is a bad man.
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There must be ulterior motives. Either he's covering himself as some posters have said, or he's trying to get money out of the estate. Why would he be selling his car? Why did he want his jacket back? Why is suing the estate for money? There is much more than meets the eye here. Also, the fact that Debbie Rowe worked for him and that his assistant committed suicide.
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I'm just waiting for the next scene in this script :lol: It appears Arnie's office doubled as a theatrical set for the "let's get Michael Jackson Show". Every freaking employee on his payroll is trying to get a piece of the action. Can't anybody see through this charade?
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I said this in another thread and I repeat, Michael said on many occasions that he is not gay enough for me :)
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I said this in another thread and I repeat, Michael said on many occasions that he is not gay enough for me :)
lol..wut?? :lol: :?
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heismypeterpan said in her tweets on 30th of april?
For ex she wrote:
he knew if he even suggested to Michael that he was looking "old" Michael would freak out and agree to have whatever work done he suggested.
10:45 AM Apr 30th via web
Reply Michael was extremely self-conscious and Arnold knew this but for him, it was all about the $.
10:44 AM Apr 30th via web
Reply (contd.) on TV and he would then proceed to tell Michael what type of work he thought he needed to have done to look younger.
10:44 AM Apr 30th via web
Reply Arnold would call Michael up out of the blue and tell him he'd seen a recent picture of him...
YES it seems that she is the one claiming to have gone with Debbie according to what I have been reading ...What I find interesting is that KF is the one that said Debbie went to the Estate and now supposidly there was Debbie and the GF???... Well at least the true friends are standing up for him!!!
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Can someone please help me understand better? Maybe I have lost something...How do you know that Klein and jason were having an affair? I have read about proofs and witnesses...where have you read about it?
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Arnie Klein: I Did Not Betray Michael Jackson
Michael Joe or Michael Joseph ? :geek:
Oh didn't we expect the moral thingie subject?
I said on April 20:
"There are some topic patterns in this silence.
Next one may be another fire incident. we got that, didn't we?
Or another dangerous weapon.
Or another family moral thingie thanks for bringing this sex taboo up.
Or another healing issue.
[...]
Something about listening, seeing and speaking.
Or about black and white and differences that we imagine only.
From cardiologist to family doctor to sleep care professional. Hmmm.
Who else will speak for him on his behalf?"
;)
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Or it can be something about the double thing like Mo said. We can have another news about that fat guy had a relation with a double and he didn't even know he wasn't the real Michael.
But it wasn't. There wasn't a double, and there were no affair between J and Michael or even J and a fake Michael. It was J+A who was lovers. They just twisted the story around. There are even witnesses.
just an evil twist on this: mike had this green jacket from arnie, right? then arnie wants the jacket back after mike's 'death' and after that comes the gay story again. my take (not to be taken seriously, this is just as ridiculous as the whole thing in the first place): everytime arnie and j were 'on it', arnie pulls out the green jacket and suggest that he is mike...over and over again, until j believes that arnie in the green jacket is mike...like hypnosis...you throw enough sh!t against the wall, some of it is gonna stick... :mrgreen:
what bugs me most about this thing is that jason is already 'famous' for just this claim...i wish someone would just kick his fat butt when he walks the streets next time. i bet this dude is as dumb as a loaf of wonderbread. sure looks the part, too. :twisted:
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WHEN and I say WHEN will someone tell this wannabe celeb Doctor to SHUT UP!?
I really dont have words to express my anger and suffocation right now.....WHAT THE HELL?
For years Michael thwarted these rumours...um..AHEM...TABLOID RUMOURS....
And this Doctor is selling this piece of non sense to tese tabloids again? After his death?
Talk about OPPORTUNISTS...
Hey Doc,...Mate just listen to me
Murray screwed MJ when he was "alive"......You mate, are screwing Michael after he is "gone"......OOPS!
I forgot...Didnt you also ruin his face by forcing him into those nosejobs again and again?
Mate, Dont you have any shame? You're lucky taht Michael isnt coming out of his hiding and SUING you right away..... :evil:[attachment=0:1xndeuwk]012.jpg[/attachment:1xndeuwk]
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There are photos confirming that it was A+J that was messing around, not J+M.
Ladyandbird: This makes more sense. Where are the pictures to back this story and finally debunk all of this nonsense!!?!?!?!
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What if this is a test of Michael? Maybe these two are in on the hoax and Michael asked them to talk about this gay thing. Maybe he wants all people to see how the media keep on making this garbage news about him even after his "death" and maybe he wanted to see the reaction of the fans about the case. And that's the reason why TMZ is making a poll about it.
I think it's quite interesting, the whole thing.
First the Pepsiscandal back in the days and now suddenly Cocacola (their competition) is involved in everything. Back in the days he was accused of being gay, he said he wasn't but people didn't believe him. Now, all of a sudden, the story comes back, but doesn't even air, because everybody is standing up
for him, and no one believes the story. I have a feeling someone is clearing his name, piece by piece.
What's next?
That`s what i was thinking.What should we expect next?
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There are photos confirming that it was A+J that was messing around, not J+M.
Ladyandbird: This makes more sense. Where are the pictures to back this story and finally debunk all of this nonsense!!?!?!?!
I've answered that many times.
They would've gone public with it, if they aired the second part of the interview,
and that is why it never aired. Now, there is no need to go public with them.
But I guess they could come to use if Michaels estate decides to sue J+A.
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Arabian nights, I agree with you that it's all a diversion and intentional. TMZ is under MJ's command.
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@ MO.
I can pretty much say that the idea of of MJ having a double is not "offensive" or "unacceptable" to people...If you choose to put it that way, taht is.
All celebrities have doubles...At least I think so..because if you want to cling onto the fragile strings of SANITY, you have to have a few decoys who can drop in for you, ESPECIALLY if you happen to be an ICON or a LEGEND or any other form of EYE CANDY.
When I was a kid, I remember watching this show on Discovery channel taht was called something like "Celebrity Body Double"...or something like that....And there were AMAZING doubles on that show.
IN order to win that show, a lot of the participants even went surgery in front of the camera....I vividly remember this Angelina Jolie double undergoing a Lip job to replicate Angelina's trademark pout, in front of the camera.
So the existence of doubles is NOT alarming to any extent.
I think that you have misread some of the members to a certain extent, if I am allowed to say that.
The HOT TOPIC of DEBATE is that wether or not there was a double at the O2 press conference. And tahts what the whole confusion is all about.
THATS the issue on which we keep swaying back and forth.So please dont think taht people are "offended" by the doubles....Its just that its difficult for some people to make up their minds on what they actually say at the O2 press conference.[attachment=0:1mx375ax]012.jpg[/attachment:1mx375ax]
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you know what, when I see videos of AK I feel like he's on something... :?
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TMZ has kept this news in the first place all day 8-)
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There are photos confirming that it was A+J that was messing around, not J+M.
I have never heard that information before Ladyandbird. Thank you and God bless you, Lady! :)
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There are photos confirming that it was A+J that was messing around, not J+M.
Ladyandbird: This makes more sense. Where are the pictures to back this story and finally debunk all of this nonsense!!?!?!?!
I've answered that many times.
They would've gone public with it, if they aired the second part of the interview,
and that is why it never aired. Now, there is no need to go public with them.
But I guess they could come to use if Michaels estate decides to sue J+A.
Please bear with me. So the second part of the interview, where Jason was going to play the "supposed" MJ voicemail did not aired because the pictures of Arnie and Jason were going to be made public, therefore de-bunking the "supposed" relationship between Jason and MJ. Is what I am saying correct? Thank you in advance and God bless you, Ladyandbird! :)
Also is it true that Jason Pfeiffer and Ian Halperin are working together on some level????
:?:
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There are photos confirming that it was A+J that was messing around, not J+M.
I am not doubting you but you seem to have inside information. Do you know someone close to the situation?
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@ladyandbird keep posting I like your posts very informative. Keep Da Faith, Mike didn't have anything to do with fatso. Poor Mike the sight of walking in on Arnie and this dude Mike now I understand you probably underwent some trauma when u saw dat! Our Mikey has endured traumatic stuff just the thought makes me want to go puke. :(
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Lete be kind to others here. even when they don't deserve it. No personal attacks regarding appearance necessary. I thank you in advance for thinking before typing.
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Who else has noticed the resemblance between Jason and Arnie? There is something that makes wonder if they may be related. A nephew or cousin perhaps?
Isn't it interesting how people who worked for Arnie Klein had the opportunity to become involved in relationships with Mj. First Debbie Rowe and now Jason (according to him :roll: ). Is that all it took. You simply get a job in Klein's office in order to get next to MJ. :lol:
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thinking about this,
just going to flip this a little, if jason had a once in a lifetime romance with the king of pop (doubtful), then why did mike need drugs to sleep - if was getting the good loving (think not)?
why didnt mike let him in on the hoax?
why wasnt he seen at UCLA? or at the rehearsals?
Had mike booked him tickets for the opening night
the bodyguards dont mention their meetings
why didnt he come to london with him - that would have been the lead up to their romance (not)
why didnt he produce gifts mike gave him - mike was very generous - ?
why hasnt be produced a little nick nak from mike - a personal item that lovers give of themselves not expensive but personal
why - because it did not happen
if mike was gay i think he would have chosen someone as beautiful as he was inside and out
they wouldnt have rushed to TMZ or done a vid on the subject - me maybe i am just too naive.
and in the words of jackie chan's uncle "and one more thing"
is this good business sense for arnie
does he think that clients will folk to him because his staff offer extra services?
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I still have a horrible feeling that Dr Klein is the father of Prince and Paris... if that turns out to be true (which i think it might be).. Michael made a bad decision there.
I FEEL EXACTLY THE WAY U FEEL ,IF U OBSERVE DEEPLY PRINCE NOSE N EYES RESEMBLE ARNIE N PARIS IS A MIXTURE OF DEBBIE N ARNIE N GUYS NO OFFENSE . WELL ABOVE ALL IF THIS IS TRUE THEN ARNIE WOULD GO TO ANY LENGTHS TO BLACKMAIL MJ...
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I still have a horrible feeling that Dr Klein is the father of Prince and Paris... if that turns out to be true (which i think it might be).. Michael made a bad decision there.
could be why he made sure they would go with his family and not become tortured souls of this user, should he try to get custody
I DID NOT GET U PLEASE EXPLAIN.
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I wonder why there is so much uproar these days about this story.
In fact the Jason story is quite an old cake and just warmed up by TMZ and/or Arnie for some reason.
It was posted by womansday in Australia on August 14, 2009.
It was further posted in here on August 23, 2009:
http://www.hollywoodcelebgossips.com/2009/08/23/jason-pfeiffer-i-was-michael-jacksons-gay-lover/
TMZ just warmed the gossip up.
womansday said:
[Celebrity headlines
I was Jacko's secret lover
Friday, August 14, 2009
Despite two marriages and a string of alleged girlfriends, Matthew Denby reports that in private Michael Jackson was a very different man.
Michael Jackson's secret gay lover has blown the lid on the late superstar's hidden lifestyle, revealing startling details of the singer's final weeks.
Jason Pfeiffer, a heavily built, 35-year-old employee of Michael's dermatologist Dr Arnold Klein, has told Woman's Day of his love affair with the star, calling their connection "a short romantic love story that ended in tragedy".
"I've lost my soul mate, it's very hard to describe the loss I feel but there is something that is empty in my heart," says the Beverly Hills executive.
According to Jason, the romance began over the phone and progressed with a number of discreet meetings, after Michael had asked Jason to give him a ride home. He says they met secretly many times, both at the star's rented home in Beverly Hills and at Jason's office.
"I guess our first 'date', if you can call it that, was in my car," says Jason. "We went for a drive and were talking and having fun, but Michael had his minders who were 'nosey', as Michael put it.
"We had to make sure we were not caught, and although the date was short as I had to take him home before anyone noticed, we had a great time.
"I thought nobody else knew [about us] but have since discovered that others did surmise the truth."
Jason —who reveals that they even shared last Christmas together with Michael's children and a few close friends —says the plastic surgery-ravaged star was devastated by his appearance. He liked reliving the glory days of his career, but he wouldn't look at old pictures.
"He did not like looking at old photos of himself and didn't want his children to see them either," says Jason.
"He desperately wanted to recreate the old glory days for fans, the kids and for himself. ]
http://womansday.ninemsn.com.au/celebrity/celebrityheadlines/998640/i-was-jackos-secret-lover
I guess TMZ was testing the waters.
How can Michael ever come out of hiding without blushing to dark red about his fans and so- called friends.
Not much has changed since June 25.
Of course Arnie did not betray Michael - (and which Michael btw - Joe or Joseph?).
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I still have a horrible feeling that Dr Klein is the father of Prince and Paris... if that turns out to be true (which i think it might be).. Michael made a bad decision there.
I agree with u, Paris looks a LOT like Kleins other daughter..... and ive heard from "someone" that Dr Klein is a father.... :/
Ive never heard of Klein having a daughter. Do you have a picture?? I thought Klein was gay.. i even remember in a TMZ interview Klein stated he didnt have kids and didnt want them?.. although he conceded he may be the bio father of Prince and Paris.
You are not mistaken with Mark Lester, are you? I know Mark Lester also said he thought he could be the bio father and Mark Lesters daughter does look very similar to Paris.
PICTURE OF KLEIN S DAUGHTER PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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I still have a horrible feeling that Dr Klein is the father of Prince and Paris... if that turns out to be true (which i think it might be).. Michael made a bad decision there.
could be why he made sure they would go with his family and not become tortured souls of this user, should he try to get custody
I DID NOT GET U PLEASE EXPLAIN.
c'mon now, put 2 & 2 together... I'm not explaining any further... think for yourself
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There are photos confirming that it was A+J that was messing around, not J+M.
Ladyandbird: This makes more sense. Where are the pictures to back this story and finally debunk all of this nonsense!!?!?!?!
I've answered that many times.
They would've gone public with it, if they aired the second part of the interview,
and that is why it never aired. Now, there is no need to go public with them.
But I guess they could come to use if Michaels estate decides to sue J+A.
Please bear with me. So the second part of the interview, where Jason was going to play the "supposed" MJ voicemail did not aired because the pictures of Arnie and Jason were going to be made public, therefore de-bunking the "supposed" relationship between Jason and MJ. Is what I am saying correct? Thank you in advance and God bless you, Ladyandbird! :)
Also is it true that Jason Pfeiffer and Ian Halperin are working together on some level????
:?:
Yes, you got it correct.
Everything to prove the truth would've been done,
and openly.
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Looking for possibilitys of paris or Prince are the children from Mark Lester, Anold Klein or MJ
Mark Lester has brown eyes
Michael has brown eyes
Arnold Klein has brown eyes
Debbie has blue eyes
Paris has blue eyes
Marks daughter has blue eyes
Prince has brown eyes
Brown eyes are dominat over blue eyes, meaning that if one of the parents has brown eyes, the children become brown eyes. But the children got the gene for blue eyes .
The ancestors of MJ must have the gene for blue eyes. And than must MJ have inherited that gene. 50/50% ?
Mark Lesters ancestors can have the gene for blue eyes, than it is possible that the reseccive blue gene with the blue gene from the mother gives blue eyes to the children.
Grey eyes makes it more difficult.
Most of the time children who are born from mixed races have a blue spot above the butt. But that is temporaly.
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I'm sorry but I feel that Arnie Klein is a liar and shady. The way he talks he doesn't even sound professional to me. He just seem creepy and kinda idiotic. I also have a feeling that Klein may have been trying to set MJ up somehow. I think after the 25th of June he even tried to keep Debbie Rowe away from his office and she was his former employee. When I saw him speaking on Larry King I believe it was after MJ supposed death I just get bad vibes from him. I get worse vibes about him than Dr. Murray. For some reason I'm still not completely against Murray yet. I just feel there is a bigger picture in this whole situation. Isn't is kinda odd that Klein is now receiving death threats but you never hear anyone trying to attack Murray? We've even seen photos of Murray out and about just hanging out and no crazed MJ fan has attacked him yet? Who knows what kind of things Arnie Klein has done regarding Michael in the past. He may have started out as a friend but I think he turned into a foe. A good friend don't tell their friend's business. I'm sorry but I think that Jason is also not telling the truth. If MJ was really having an affair with him I'm sorry that would have been leaked way before now because people was constantly stalking MJ and was up in his business. Plus all the photos we see of Jason and MJ they are with other people not by themselves. We have seen pics of MJ and Lisa Marie alone, MJ and Diana Ross alone, MJ and Tatiana, MJ and Stephanie Mills, He and Brooke Shields, Shana Mangatal and even with his former nanny Grace. Klein says MJ is gay but why is there footage of him checking out girls, looking at their bodies and sniffing their hair on Youtube. I'm sorry I don't buy into their stories.
I have been avoiding this "Michael is gay" subject, because Arnie doesnt even deserve the nasty comments. This Jason dude and "Dr.Klein" only deserve to be totally ignored.
MsTeeTee, I agree with you there is a bigger picture in this situation. Arnie kept messing with Michael's face when it wasn't necessary, he administered propofol to Michael according to Dr. Steven Hoefflin. Actually Hoefflin said Klein administered the fatal dose...how did this happen? The Lord only knows. Well, anyways IMO all of this "MJ peed on a cup in front of anyone and Michael is gay" info is probably stemming from the fact that Arnie wants to let the world how "good of a friend he was to MJ". He was such a good friend of Michael's that MJ confided his gay romantic relationship to him and Michael would simply urinate in front of Arnie instead of going to the bathroom. I'm speaking sarcastically btw.
I know Arnie isnt a suspect of Michael's "death", but he already has been accused by Hoefflin. Latoya and Joe have been saying Murray is just the fall guy and that there are other doctors involved in all this. Maybe AK is one of these shady doctors? So he speaks of Michael as a good friend that even knew "his most kept secrets" (I'm not saying MJ is gay). Oh no, he wouldnt kill or harm my good friend Michael Jackson! He wants us to believe this, so he invents these stories to distract everyone, and then come up with foolish explanations like "I said all this because I want to prove MJ wasnt a pedophile". Get what I'm trying to say?
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/02/dr-arnold ... efamation/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/02/dr-arnold-klein-michael-jackson-dr-steven-hoefflin-death-propofol-defamation/)
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arnball acts looney to be a dr IMO
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There are photos confirming that it was A+J that was messing around, not J+M.
Ladyandbird: This makes more sense. Where are the pictures to back this story and finally debunk all of this nonsense!!?!?!?!
I've answered that many times.
They would've gone public with it, if they aired the second part of the interview,
and that is why it never aired. Now, there is no need to go public with them.
But I guess they could come to use if Michaels estate decides to sue J+A.
Please bear with me. So the second part of the interview, where Jason was going to play the "supposed" MJ voicemail did not aired because the pictures of Arnie and Jason were going to be made public, therefore de-bunking the "supposed" relationship between Jason and MJ. Is what I am saying correct? Thank you in advance and God bless you, Ladyandbird! :)
Also is it true that Jason Pfeiffer and Ian Halperin are working together on some level????
:?:
Yes, you got it correct.
Everything to prove the truth would've been done,
and openly.
Thank you very much, Lady, for your response! God bless you, Lady! :)
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i wonder, arnie made a claim against the estate?
he his request for payment get knocked back?
did his request to see the children - get knocked back?
is this more about revenge or upset or nose out of joint than anything else?
he has been investigated he has had the police sniffing round, he has admitted using false names to obtain prescriptions (TMZ) is there something else going on?
sit back and wait guys - the truth will out
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the arabian nights, it is true what you say the truth will come out, we should not rush ;)
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I posted this in the other thread on this topic but I feel it is relevant in this thread too:
Though I believe that every theory brings something to the table and all things are relevant, I feel there is a deeper meaning to this story than just that Michael is HAPPY. As Harvey said while live, this story has been around for at least 4 months and it keeps coming back up.
Religion suggests that being gay is a sin.That as a result of homosexual behavior, a person is condemened to an eternity in hell. Gay individuals are being made to feel guilty, unworthy, bad, rejected etc all based on their sexuality ALONE.
If you ask most gay people they will tell you that being gay is not something they chose. Why would anyone choose to be something that could cause them to be scorned by society, rejected by their families, deny them rights and subject them to possible violent hate crimes? That is not to say that all of being gay or lesbian is negative.
Many gays and lesbians would argue that being gay is not a choice, but whether to act on it is.
Most scientific organizations also believe that homosexuality is not a choice, that biology plays some role. The National Mental Health Association says, “Most researchers believe sexual orientation is complex, and that biology plays an important role. This means that many people are born with their sexual orientation, or that it’s established at an early age.”
Science is in conflict with this religious doctrine but many people and the religious organizations refuse to accept this.
Scientists have studied twins to try and learn if being gay is biologically determined. Studies of identical and fraternal twins suggest that there is a genetic influence on sexual orientation. If being gay were strictly genetic, then in identical twins, there would be a 100% concordance rate for sexual orientation. But one study in 1995 found a 52% correlation for male identical twins and 22% for male fraternal twins. A study on females came up with similar results. If one identical twin was a lesbian, in 48% of cases, the other twin was also a lesbian. For fraternal twins, the concordance was 16%.
This suggests that there are many factors to consider biological and environmental (both the physical and emotional environment). Nature, Nurture and Environment.
A widely publicized study in 1999 found that a certain part of the hypothalamus was smaller in gay men then in heterosexual men. This study was widely touted at the time as “proof” that one’s sexual orientation is biological and not chosen. But it is not known whether these differences in brain are present at birth or if they occur over a lifetime.
http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/comingoutadvice/a/Causes.htm
Michael's Gay Lover
Apostrophe's sometimes take the place of missing letters
Michael Is Gay Lover
Not proper English
Michael Is A Gay Lover
Better but what does that mean?
Michael Is A Lover Of Gays
or
Michael Loves Gay People
as in the opposite of
Michael Hates Gay People
I think that the importance of this story is the religious aspect of whom Michael is. He is telling us that religion as we now presently know it has been created to divide us and causes negativity towards one another and within ourselves. He is trying to dispel this religious tenet and say that gay, lesbian, bisexual, are sinful bad people.
Whether we are gay, lesbian, bisexual, black, white, brown, yellow, red, green, man, woman, child it doesnt't matter, these are all artificially created labels, we are all connected, we are all one and he LOVES US ALL.
Inclusion not Seclusion, Acceptance not Judgement, Compassion not Indifference, Love not Hate,
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i think MJ was his most profitable client, and with doing things like this, he still has some association with Jackson
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The estate are looking in to what actions they can take against A.
Justice will be served, and truth will prevail.
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Soo here's the pics you guys may have wanted to see of of Mark Lester's daughter. I think the kids favor him more than Klein soo here's some pics enjoy :)
Soo here's Mark and his daughter
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/15/article-0-0610CDCF000005DC-333_468x428.jpg)
And here's Paris no intro needed
(http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2009/07/paris-jackson-speech-michael-jackson-tribute.jpg)
Now here's a young Mark Lester
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_02/bbeautyms1711_468x530.jpg)
And here's Prince no intro needed 1nce again :D
(http://brenworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/prince-ii-paris-prince-jackson.jpg)
Hope you like the pics ;)
Now with Klein I can't stand him :x !!! I never liked him he makes my blood boil and he just is a HORRIBLE friend :(
Well I can say he's just doing this against Michael(if not hoax-wise) and like it has been said before he wanted Michael but couldn't have him so after Michael's "death" he can get back at him by calling him gay. It's sad it really is
Wow no disrespect but Prince looks just like Mark Lester when he was young on that pic. They're almost identical and Paris does look like his daughter. So it may be true that Lester was the biological dad. I rather him be the father than Arnie Klein. I believe Michael was good friends with Mark Lester. Regardless MJ is their daddy though because he raised them. I know Blanket is MJ's biological son that's his mini me. No doubt.