Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: jacilovesmichael on April 27, 2010, 08:34:47 AM
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I'm not going to apologize ahead of time for sounding crazy anymore - you can just go ahead and count on that from me always LOL.
Anyway, last night I couldn't sleep. I had read about mind control ALL day long, and some of the things can really mess with ya. I started to wonder how a person might come to know that they themselves are a victim. I started to wonder if I could be a victim (although I'm pretty sure I'm not). I started to imagine in my mind a time when someone could have taken advantage of me without me really remembering. At first, all I could think about was childhood, but even that didn't seem likely (not for me anyway, great childhood). Then it suddenly dawned on me. I've "gone under" several times for plastic surgery procedures.
Now, nothing happened to me. It just made me wonder - would it be possible for the brain to be manipulated in some way while under anesthesia for plastic surgery? Or for something, a chip maybe, to be placed in the body?
Could that be part of the reason for the Pepsi "accident"? They needed a way to get Michael in for some kind of surgery. Then he breaks his nose (anyone know the story there?).
Michael always said he had 2 procedures on his nose. A lot of plastic surgery doctors and patients do not count "revision" procedures as an actual rhinoplasty. Also, could it be possible that Michael truly didn't REMEMBER all of the procedures he had done?
In fact, we could take that further and say that things were done to his face at times without his consent so that he would come out looking weirder, giving the media another rope to pull him down with.
The surgery could have also been to make it easier to create doubles.
Also, if Joe Jackson was really an operative, it would make sense that he ridiculed Michael's nose so much - to encourage surgery.
Mo and Souza - or anyone who has researched extensively about mind conrol - do you guys know anything about actually manipulating the brain with surgery?
Think about all the stars that are most likely victims of mind control - Britney Spears, Madonna...
All have had extensive plastic surgery. Is it solely because of the hollywood pressure to be beautiful? Or could something else be going on?
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i kinda think the surgery was michaels obsession with hating to grow old, so he would try everything to look as young as possible.....
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i kinda think the surgery was michaels obsession with hating to grow old, so he would try everything to look as young as possible.....
I agree, that could be it but it could also just be part of it.
He could have been programmed to believe he was ugly and to believe growing old was ugly.
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i kinda think the surgery was michaels obsession with hating to grow old, so he would try everything to look as young as possible.....
I agree, that could be it but it could also just be part of it.
He could have been programmed to believe he was ugly and to believe growing old was ugly.
:lol: your making him sound robotic. But in all seriousness i would actually love to kow what goes on inside michaels head sometimes, as i dont think he ever saw himself as ugly, well in the early years, but i think the vitiligo and the other thing he had began to make him paranoid about his looks.....
and for most people at that stage in life im sure Growing Old is ugly :lol:
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i kinda think the surgery was michaels obsession with hating to grow old, so he would try everything to look as young as possible.....
I agree, that could be it but it could also just be part of it.
He could have been programmed to believe he was ugly and to believe growing old was ugly.
:lol: your making him sound robotic. But in all seriousness i would actually love to kow what goes on inside michaels head sometimes, as i dont think he ever saw himself as ugly, well in the early years, but i think the vitiligo and the other thing he had began to make him paranoid about his looks.....
and for most people at that stage in life im sure Growing Old is ugly :lol:
That is what mind control does to people - makes them robotic.
I can understand your reluctance to buy into any of it, I was the same way 10 months ago. But it's really important to learn about it and keep an open mind because the ones who have researched have found it to be a very real, and very scary possibility.
The hoax itself could be him breaking free from everything that was done to him over the years.
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Or it was just a disguise we saw.. maybe he looked way different when he was not on spotlight (camera's)
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Well, I cannot really answer your question about the surgery but I wanted to point out something that may help out with your point. Cher said in an interview after June 25th, that she was at a club with Michael when he was much younger and someone told her that he was going to change his appearance. Cher, of course, didn't believe him and told him to go somewhere but it ended up being true. So, it does make me wonder whose plan was it to change MJ's appearance, his or them? I do think sometimes that MJ wanted them to believe that he was naive so he can play the role that he knew they wanted him to play; meanwhile, he would make business moves to secure himself so that he can do whatever he wants. MJ mentioned that the people at Sony never thought that he would out think them. This would again reference the song, The Man. You can read the lyrics to get what I mean.
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Well, I cannot really answer your question about the surgery but I wanted to point out something that may help out with your point. Cher said in an interview after June 25th, that she was at a club with Michael when he was much younger and someone told her that he was going to change his appearance. Cher, of course, didn't believe him and told him to go somewhere but it ended up being true. So, it does make me wonder whose plan was it to change MJ's appearance, his or them? I do think sometimes that MJ wanted them to believe that he was naive so he can play the role that he knew they wanted him to play; meanwhile, he would make business moves to secure himself so that he can do whatever he wants. MJ mentioned that the people at Sony never thought that he would out think them.
Very good points.
I think it's interesting what Cher said. I wonder if we could find that somewhere online?
It's interesting (if true) that it was planned and also that people knew about it.
Most times when people elect to have cosmetic surgery, they don't go around advertising it. They may tell close friends, or nobody at all because it's a personal decision.
Very interesting...
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That also makes me think of doubles again. "Michael is going to change his appearance"... why? Is there someone else he needs to look like? Or is there someone else who already looks like him, but not quite, so surgeries are needed to make them look more alike? Or to plain confuse people?
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i kinda think the surgery was michaels obsession with hating to grow old, so he would try everything to look as young as possible.....
I agree, that could be it but it could also just be part of it.
He could have been programmed to believe he was ugly and to believe growing old was ugly.
Didn't he say that in an interview?? That jow said his nose was too big and ugly?
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Hm, I've thought about this before.. Maybe they realized that just getting his nose done like that would make people call him weird and crazy.. that has been one of the big reasons why people don't like him and think he's "creepy"..
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I don´t believe in mind control in the way that has been exposed in this hoax site since the concept has been extrapolated.
Brain washing techniques exists since always, so yes, we can call it "mind control". Manipulation happens easier when you are in a fearful mood, tired or depressed and I bet Michael experienced all those mind stages after being isolated, not able to trust people and may be feeling lost and having the wrong company and friends around.
I doubt any chip was inserted inside of him. Brain washing could had happen at any time, specially after getting married with LMP, who apparently was a member of the Scientology "church" and introduced Michael in it. Everybody knows about their sectarian procedures to brainwash people.
Call it mind control, brainwashing, manipulation etc...all happen in the mind and no need of chip implant is required.
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Plastic Surgery doesnt necessarily have anything todo with being robotic or being under what you preferably call Mind Control......Well...I'll try to explain in my own way....
Theres this disease..a mental one..Its called Body Dysorphic disorder...wherein a person constantly feels that there is some or the other defect in his/her body that needs to be urgently rectified and that if it is not done then he/she will look ugly....in short, an imaginary defect that ofen causes low self-esteem and and bad self-perception......
I can tell this because as I have stated before, I have OCD.....but I dunno wether BDD is a fallout of OCD or not, but I have always hated my appearance..I have hated it since the day I learnt to look at the mirror consciously.....I have always looked at and craved for other kinds of faces..like more chiselled and well defined masuline ones that are realtively moe appreciated than the bloated uneven and unbalanced proportions that define my face.....As a result of this I still cant make eye contact with people when they are talking to me...I findd it hard to step outside my house because all the time I have this really really weird perception that people are mocking my ugliness......I know its a sily thing to say but its just that its a part of the symptoms I suffer from..and the feeling is so OVERWHELMING that its too difficult to get it out of my head...no matter how many times I try and reason with myself, THAT FEELING comes back to haunt me again and again....and its too difficult to resist that thought.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder)
...And I can assure you that I am not robotic/"Mind Controlled".....Its just that I DONT lik the way I look .....I have NEVER liked it.......
Mike could hav had the same thoughts...I dont know...Its just a possible explanation.....
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Hmmm, chips I'm not sure if they would go unnoticed. What about when Michael got examinations? I remember hearing that animals who were chipped were 70% likely to develop cancer around the implant. Not sure how it would be with humans but it doesn't sound good.
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I don't think mind control was the reason of surgeries...
What I heard from him about those surgeries : Michael was mistreated when he was young. His father hurted him, first on a physical way, which really doesn't help a child to develop normal and love himself as any human being should. Then his father always said bad things about his nose, about him having big nose, not looking like his father...
Michael never loved his face, and he never wanted to grow up with a face that looked more and more to his father each day.
He always tried to deal with it, maybe not as we would have, but he just did what he could to feel better. It's HIS choice.
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Well, if this is the case for people getting plastic surgery, which I don't think it is. Some people really do have a mental illness in which they don't see themselves normally & are very insecure. But if the mind control thing is true then the perfect example would be: Heidi Montag. Just read up on the things she's done recently who she hired as her manager instead of her husband & the fact that she got 10 operations done in one day. She doesn't even look anything like she did before. & she asks everyone if she's pretty. It's sad. I think she has the illness but maybe she is a victim of mind control she acts like it sometimes. Who knows. As for MJ I truly don't believe he's had that much done, he just fixed his nose & his cleft. That's all I see. & I believe he did it because he didn't like his nose. If he told Cher what she claims he told her, then he probably just meant he was going to change his nose & even out his skin tone because of the vitiligo. Which ultimately did change his appearance. & she's one to talk, she's had her own share of plastic surgery! Cheek implants, eye surgery, face lifts, nose jobs. & magically her skin got lighter as she got older ;) :roll: There's no way she can talk about MJ, she looks White & she's taken all of the Native American out of herself & unlike MJ she's never been reported or shown any signs of having vitiligo.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/Mi-K/cherbeforeafter.jpg)
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I don't think it really was his choice, I believe he was brainwashed in order to make him believe that he's ugly and that he needed to change his appearance with plastic surgery.
I'm not saying he had much done to his face, i think he only had the nosejobs and the chincleft and some botox later. But whatever he did, IMO he did it while being mind controlled.
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and what about the family,, what did they think about the change of michaels face? I mean what did his mother think about! if it was his choice,, someone should stopped it when they saw that MJ is doing it becuz he thinks he is ugly... I think its more behind this...
the real MJ had 2 surgeries.. just like he said that in the Bashit Interview...
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and what about the family,, what did they think about the change of michaels face? I mean what did his mother think about! if it was his choice,, someone should stopped it when they saw that MJ is doing it becuz he thinks he is ugly... I think its more behind this...
the real MJ had 2 surgeries.. just like he said that in the Bashit Interview...
Did you ever see Michael listening to anyone, concerning his choice for his personnal life ? :lol: :lol:
Oh, and I'm sorry but I definitly do not believe in "mind control" theory...it was never talked before his death, whereas his childhood leading to a need of change, and then skin disease to cope with... is more believable to me. Michael always had his noze critizised by his family, he was really under-estimating himself when he was a teen, because of spots on the face, then he had vitiligo starting...it was not easy for him. I guess he needn't mind control to decide to have a physical change. ;)
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and what about the family,, what did they think about the change of michaels face? I mean what did his mother think about! if it was his choice,, someone should stopped it when they saw that MJ is doing it becuz he thinks he is ugly... I think its more behind this...
the real MJ had 2 surgeries.. just like he said that in the Bashit Interview...
Did you ever see Michael listening to anyone, concerning his choice for his personnal life ? :lol: :lol:
Oh, and I'm sorry but I definitly do not believe in "mind control" theory...it was never talked before his death, whereas his childhood leading to a need of change, and then skin disease to cope with... is more believable to me. Michael always had his noze critizised by his family, he was really under-estimating himself when he was a teen, because of spots on the face, then he had vitiligo starting...it was not easy for him. I guess he needn't mind control to decide to have a physical change. ;)
For the sake of argument, if Michael were under mind control abuse, and these changes were taking place, stories and reasons like the ones you mentioned would have to be released. So that really doesn't explain anything. If he was getting bad things done to him, the ones doing it would make up realistic reasons for those things.
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I am not trying to be rude and can normally keep my thoughts
to myself on these matters, but Michael Jackson had MORE
than procedures done to nose and chin!
Eyes, LIPS, nose, chin, at least one facelift. ALL of these,
or this is NOT Michael Jackson. :geek:
Yes, as did Cher and many others.
-zen
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I think MJ chose to have procedures done by his own choice. He was picked on by his father and also some family members would make comments about him having a big nose. If you constantly hear people saying negative comments it will either get you down or you will stand up and say something back. I think MJ was the type that just put up with it. I think MJ's brothers like to play the dozens alot where they like to clown on each other. I saw some footage of Tito where he was making fun of one of their friends teeth and everybody was laughing. However, I did see one video where MJ was young and he was playing around with Randy and he was calling him ugly but he was just joking. My family like to play the dozens too but my mom hates it because sometimes a joke can turn into something hurtful that you can't take back. Also I remember MJ talking about this fan that saw him and his brothers at the airport. She was like where is little Michael? When she saw him she was like ewww and Michael said that he could have just died when that lady said that. It was very hurtful to him because he valued the opinion of his fans so much. So I think that MJ may have developed low self esteem when he begin to hit puberty. I know he had some skin issues too as a teen that he was very sensitive about. It's actually sad because I think he was borned with perfect features. He has great bone structure, high cheek bones, nice jawline, nice eyes, awesome smile. He really could have been a model in my opinion. He and Jackie were the finest brothers in the Jackson five.
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I am not trying to be rude and can normally keep my thoughts
to myself on these matters, but Michael Jackson had MORE
than procedures done to nose and chin!
Eyes, LIPS, nose, chin, at least one facelift. ALL of these,
or this is NOT Michael Jackson. :geek:
Yes, as did Cher and many others.
-zen
Zen, you are right. He, like all Hollywood Celebs, had the usual "Turn Back the Clock" Procedures: Face Lift, (or he would have pronounced jowls by age 40) Definite Brow LIft back in Bad Era (you can see how the brows are suddenly arched higher) Upper Eye Lid LIft, and there would have to have been a Neck lift cause it sags at the same rate as the face and usually face & neck are done together. (The Nose & cleft are NOT anti-aging procedures, they are just personal preferance enhancements) Almost all Celebs "Turn Back the Clock" with the various lifts every 8 to 10 yrs. so I don't know why MJ is singled out for this on a constant basis. Let's try to get over it, OK?
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I am not trying to be rude and can normally keep my thoughts
to myself on these matters, but Michael Jackson had MORE
than procedures done to nose and chin!
Eyes, LIPS, nose, chin, at least one facelift. ALL of these,
or this is NOT Michael Jackson. :geek:
Yes, as did Cher and many others.
-zen
Zen, you are right. He, like all Hollywood Celebs, had the usual "Turn Back the Clock" Procedures: Face Lift, (or he would have pronounced jowls by age 40) Definite Brow LIft back in Bad Era (you can see how the brows are suddenly arched higher) Upper Eye Lid LIft, and there would have to have been a Neck lift cause it sags at the same rate as the face and usually face & neck are done together. (The Nose & cleft are NOT anti-aging procedures, they are just personal preferance enhancements) Almost all Celebs "Turn Back the Clock" with the various lifts every 8 to 10 yrs. so I don't know why MJ is singled out for this on a constant basis. Let's try to get over it, OK?
Dear gosh, he DOES have jowls- aren't those those big deep lines going vertically down his cheeks that have been there since like 2000? I think he's had Botox or maybe a face lift, but I certainly don't think he went and had all kinds of procedures done or else he wouldn't have ANY lines on his cheeks at all- you should see Mo and Souza's thread called "The Plastic Surgery Issue", it's closed, but you can see the photo comparisons.. Remember that he wears a plentiful amount of makeup, that can really change how your face looks from time to time. Eyebrows can be plucked and made to look thicker or thinner or higher or whatever with makeup pens.. I don't know about two, but I don't think he's had ANY more than four procedures TOTAL. And it's NOT just because of me or whatever because I always thought he'd had tons, too, even when I (recently) came to respect and admire him, but then like last year, late '08 I was always on the board Maximum Jackson, they are the most RATIONAL and down-to-Earth MJ fans you can find, and they had a great thread there about how little he's ACTUALLY changed over the years..
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Dear gosh, he DOES have jowls- aren't those those big deep lines going vertically down his cheeks that have been there since like 2000? I think he's had Botox or maybe a face lift, but I certainly don't think he went and had all kinds of procedures done or else he wouldn't have ANY lines on his cheeks at all- you should see Mo and Souza's thread called "The Plastic Surgery Issue", it's closed, but you can see the photo comparisons.. Remember that he wears a plentiful amount of makeup, that can really change how your face looks from time to time. Eyebrows can be plucked and made to look thicker or thinner or higher or whatever with makeup pens.. I don't know about two, but I don't think he's had ANY more than four procedures TOTAL. And it's NOT just because of me or whatever because I always thought he'd had tons, too, even when I (recently) came to respect and admire him, but then like last year, late '08 I was always on the board Maximum Jackson, they are the most RATIONAL and down-to-Earth MJ fans you can find, and they had a great thread there about how little he's ACTUALLY changed over the years..
NO- He Does NOT have Jowls..and Never has! Like I said: ALL Celebs keep ahead of the aging process with on-going routine "lifts". Why are you taking this so personal? NOt only celebs do it, but every day nobodies like myself do it too ;)
YOu state "how little he's ACTUALLY changed over the years" Well that's the Whole Point! They don't want to "change" over the years! They want to stay the same....that's why they have the lifts at periodic intervals. (You seem to be upset by this, and there is no reason to be upset...it's just a fact life of life)
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Guys - I started this thread with a different intent. Please, let's try not to decide exactly all the procedures Mike's had done and lets not try and claim to know what he would and would not have done, okay? Because we don't know.
I was just trying to think of possible reasons for the plastic surgery he did have (we know he had some, we do not know how much, and it's not really our business).
Yes, the surgery could just simply be what it is - cosmetic procedures to look better. But, as this hoax has taught me, we should consider other possibilities as well. Like Michael said himself, we cannot take everything for face value.
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Didn"t Micheal say in the Bashir thing something about the nose and hitting the higher notes? Which I can't see. I can see if its broken there might be a problem. And I can see if it's already broken taking the opportunity to fix somethig you don't like. Then maybe he didn't like the fix went back in to try again.Also he wouldn't be the first person to trust a doctor that they shouldn't for way too long.
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i kinda think the surgery was michaels obsession with hating to grow old, so he would try everything to look as young as possible.....
I agree, that could be it but it could also just be part of it.
He could have been programmed to believe he was ugly and to believe growing old was ugly.
I think Michael has undergone ''Mirror Programming'' They program someone to whatever they want that person to think when they look in the mirror, if I'm right about that. So maybe they have programmed Michael to a certain way that when he looked in the mirror he saw completely something else than what we see. Which is awful that they did this to him, he was such a beautiful boy but he's still so beautiful but I think it wasn't really up to him what he saw in the mirror I think they programmed him like that. :(
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so this guy is under your control! he's on top of the world! people would follow him off a cliff ! and you pull the rug out from under him! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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so this guy is under your control! he's on top of the world! people would follow him off a cliff ! and you pull the rug out from under him! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know, I know, it's UGLY and ridiculous. Poor, poor, baby.. But MjLover1990, I thought he had Peter Pan programming?
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Not that I'm denying the NWO thing. It'ts all right there in that place that that Micheal compared the tabloids to, let's see oh yeah THE GOSPEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The big difference is there it doesn't talk about fighting it but warns of it and how to ESCAPE it. Let's all go there and see, what do ya say!!!!!!!!!
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so this guy is under your control! he's on top of the world! people would follow him off a cliff ! and you pull the rug out from under him! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know, I know, it's UGLY and ridiculous. Poor, poor, baby.. But MjLover1990, I thought he had Peter Pan programming?
Also that but you can have different programming as an individual.
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so this guy is under your control! he's on top of the world! people would follow him off a cliff ! and you pull the rug out from under him! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know, I know, it's UGLY and ridiculous. Poor, poor, baby.. But MjLover1990, I thought he had Peter Pan programming?
Also that but you can have different programming as an individual.
he he you might want to read it again I think you missed something
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so this guy is under your control! he's on top of the world! people would follow him off a cliff ! and you pull the rug out from under him! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know, I know, it's UGLY and ridiculous. Poor, poor, baby.. But MjLover1990, I thought he had Peter Pan programming?
Also that but you can have different programming as an individual.
he he you might want to read it again I think you missed something
What do you mean?
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so this guy is under your control! he's on top of the world! people would follow him off a cliff ! and you pull the rug out from under him! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know, I know, it's UGLY and ridiculous. Poor, poor, baby.. But MjLover1990, I thought he had Peter Pan programming?
Also that but you can have different programming as an individual.
he he you might want to read it again I think you missed something
What do you mean?
Pink Topaz , Am I reading you correctly?
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so this guy is under your control! he's on top of the world! people would follow him off a cliff ! and you pull the rug out from under him! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know, I know, it's UGLY and ridiculous. Poor, poor, baby.. But MjLover1990, I thought he had Peter Pan programming?
Also that but you can have different programming as an individual.
he he you might want to read it again I think you missed something
What do you mean?
Pink Topaz , Am I reading you correctly?
Er, wha..?
What exactly is the point/purpose of this particular program, though?