Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: the arabian nights on April 23, 2010, 06:10:24 PM
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yes its about 12.06 ish at night and just think if it was 1.30am and your mike
your on your way home from staples. would you want to go to bed straight away? not check any messages or anything when you get back? no snack or milk or cereal?
would you immediately phone cm to come round
would you ask him to put the condom on or would you do the first one, knowing that he would have to change it regularly
thought mike was shy, would you want someone to touch your wee like this on a regular basis
you know that the milk knocks you out but does not provide sleep and when it wears off you feel like sh** and your still tired
really
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"would you ask him to put the condom or would you do the first one, knowing that he would have to change it regularly"
Is this a tasteless joke?
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no not a joke
its late (ish) and just thinking about the bedtime routine - or that night
the previous poster you do realise that mike would lose control of his bodily function taking the milk? this was discussed on this site?
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Which condom do you mean? :?
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i was just thinking does it make sense - his night time routine
every night
or was this just during the rehearsals
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/200 ... -21554805/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/29/michael-jackson-bedtime-horror-drug-routine-revealed-as-we-recreate-star-s-last-hours-115875-21554805/)
Michael Jackson: Bedtime horror drug routine revealed as we recreate star's last hours
By Martin Fricker 29/07/2009
"Michael was put to sleep on Propofol drip.. in the morning it was turned off to wake him like an alarm clock"
For Michael Jackson, it was just an ordinary night.
The kids were all tucked up in bed, he had finished a full day of rehearsals and wanted to turn in.
But the chronic insomnia sufferer couldn’t just fall asleep – he literally had to be put to sleep.
So Jacko summoned his doctor and requested to be placed on a drip of his favourite drug, Propofol.
He had used it nightly for two years, pumping himself full of it when he wanted to nod off.
And he also used it as an alarm clock – asking his doctor to take out the IV drip at a set time when he was ready to wake up.
But as the whole world now knows, the King of Pop never did wake up on June 25.
His doctor Conrad Murray gave him Propofol shortly after midnight, as he had done on numerous occasions. But something went horrifically wrong, resulting in Jackson’s shocking death.
Exactly what happened is a mystery – one the Los Angeles Police Department is desperately trying to solve.
A senior detective on the case confirmed Dr Murray had already admitted giving Jacko the drug.
One theory they are working on is that the doctor then fell asleep himself, and by the time he woke up Jackson was dead.
Crucially, equipment deemed vital in administering Propofol was absent from the 50-year-old star’s bedroom. It was equipment that might have saved his life.
Dr Murray allegedly failed to use a EKG machine, which sounds an alarm when the patient’s pulse drops too low. He also reportedly did not use a pulse oximeter, which sounds an alarm if breathing slows to a dangerous level.
If, as suspected, Dr Murray fell asleep after putting the IV in Jackson’s arm, these alarms would have alerted him to problems.
Tragically, the first he knew of those problems was when he saw Jacko’s lifeless body lying in his bed. Medics suspect the superstar was already dead, but Dr Murray tried CPR (cardio-pulmonary resuscitation) anyway.
With nobody else in the house aware of the unfolding tragedy, he at first tried to revive Jacko on
the bed. When he failed to get a response, the doctor moved him on to the floor and continued to pump his chest. Eventually, after as long as 30 minutes, Dr Murray screamed out at one of the singer’s chefs to call an ambulance.
The doctor claimed the phone land lines at the £70,000-a-month rented estate had been cut off for security reasons.
He also claimed he didn’t want to call from his mobile because he did not know the full address.
The star’s bodyguard, Alberto Alvarez, overheard Dr Murray’s plea and calmly took control. He told the 911 operator they had “a gentleman here who needs help and he’s not breathing”.
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Not once did he betray his employer by revealing his name.
Paramedics rushed to 100 North Carolwood Drive and found Jacko on the floor of his bedroom.
They immediately realised he was dead – but Dr Murray, classed as a “higher authority”, insisted they keep trying to revive him.
During the drama, Jackson’s children Prince, Paris and Blanket were kept away from their dad.
Eventually Jacko was stretchered into an ambulance with an oxygen mask on and rushed to hospital. In less than an hour, with his loved ones at his side, a doctor formally declared him dead.
As with any unexplained death, police were notified and detectives sent to Jackson’s home.
Nothing could have prepared the eight senior LAPD detectives for what confronted them inside.
The first thing to hit them was the oppressive heat inside the mansion. Jackson, who weighed just 8st when he died, constantly complained of being cold.
His staff were ordered to keep the heating system and the home’s gas fires on at all times. It led to almost unbearable conditions inside – but more importantly for the workers, it kept Jacko happy.
BIZARRE
The detectives were then taken to Jacko’s family sleeping quarters on the top floor. It had been off-limits to everyone apart from Jacko, his children and Dr Murray.
Jackson’s bedroom actually consisted of a number of suites leading to a main sleeping area.
In that area, the detectives were confronted by a scene reminiscent of a hospital’s intensive care unit.
Three oxygen tanks were
propped up next to his bed, alongside an IV drip. A porcelain doll wearing a dress was lying on top of the covers of his bed.
If that was strange to the detectives, things got even more bizarre when they entered another room.
One of the officers said it was littered with clothes and the walls plastered with 20 bizarre notes.
One read: “Children are sweet and innocent.”
A stash of drugs was found, including Propofol, and 15 further oxygen tanks were discovered in a security guard’s hut. Investigators are now trying to determine how many other doctors administered the drug to the superstar.
Dr Murray’s lawyer, Edward Chernoff, said his client “didn’t prescribe or administer anything that should have killed Jackson”.
He later announced he would not comment until the toxicology results are released.
Mr Chernoff said: “I feel like a horse swatting flies. Everyone needs to take a breath and wait for these long-delayed results.
“Things tend to shake out when all the facts are made known, and I’m sure that will happen here.”
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The report said there was an oxygen tank near Jacko’s bed, medical supplies including disposable needles on the tables and a bottle of urine on a chair.
Urine?
Michael Jackson 1980-1990
Jacko, who died in June aged 50, apparently suffered from incontinence and had an enlarged prostate. On his bed was a blue plastic pad and a catheter.
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Michael Jackson’s Deathbed Crime Scene Photos! (Video)
Posted on: August 3rd, 2009Rita Pereira
British tabloid News of The World has published in its printed edition (not online!) shocking photos of the bedroom where Michael Jackson died from a heart attack on June 25 (photos below).
This is the real room where Dr. Conrad Murray tried to resuscitate the King Of Pop for 25 minutes, which was sealed by authorities and treated as a crime scene. This second-floor bedroom was reportedly used by Dr. Murray to store medical supplies and where Diprivan (Propofol) was also found.
Here are the details from the scene, according to NOTW:
There on the floor at the bottom of the bed is a used AMBU BAG - a manual pump device used by medics to force air through a mask and into the lungs to keep an unconscious patient alive.
This was part of Dr Murray’s kit and the INSTRUCTION LEAFLET is alongside.
The see-through curl of plastic tubing linking the bag and mask appears to have collected pools of liquid. Parts of the tube have a red or brown discoloration. This is likely to be the result of expelled moisture in the breath and evidence the device HAS been used.
On a wheeled trolley to the left of the photo (which we are not publishing online but which is available in our printed edition) is more medical equipment.
ALCOHOL PREPARATION PADS used for cleaning the skin before drug injections, a roll of SURGICAL TAPE and a box of disposable LATEX GLOVES. On the bedside table is a large landline PHONE. It isn’t known if this is the one used by bodyguard Alberto Alvarez to dial 911 when his boss failed to respond to Murray’s efforts.
Abandoned on the bed is a string of Middle Eastern-style PRAYER BEADS, worn by Jackson around his neck and clearly visible in our picture. “There’s a mystery around who gave them to Michael but he loved to wear them,” said our insider.
Bizarrely, what looks just like an INCONTINENCE PAD sits in the centre of the bed, possibly covering blood or other stains. The length of blue ribbon alongside is believed to have been used as a MAKESHIFT TOURNIQUET, to bind the star’s arm and find a vein so drugs could be administered. The duvet is pulled to one side and, incredibly, there is still a slight DENT made by dying Jacko’s head in the plumped-up pillow, up against the ornate gold-painted headboard.
Oddly, a tube of Crest TOOTHPASTE lies apparently unopened on the bed. An insider said this had no relevance to the resuscitation, but Jacko, 50, was obsessed with dental hygiene and had tubes of the stuff all over the house.
On the side table is also a half-drunk bottle of ORANGE. The insider told us: “It was MJ’s. He was trying to stay healthy.”
On the shelf above there’s a near-full bottle of FIJI MINERAL WATER, the fashionable brand favored by celebrities. Another almost-empty bottle is on the glass-topped trolley nearby. Almost hidden under the duvet you can see the legs of a TOY DOLL that usually sat on top of the bed.
Alongside is a DVD or CD. Back on the bedside table sits a SPECTACLES CASE. Both the star and Dr Murray wore glasses but our source said: “Jacko had many pairs, and their cases, lying about all over the house.”
Out of view of the camera, according to our insider, are oxygen bottles used to treat the star as part of his heavy-duty prescription drugs regime.
These shocking photos of Michael Jackson’s Deathbed, where Dr. Murray tried to resuscitate him (first on the bed, then on the rug-covered wooden floor), were taken the day after he died by a family insider at his rented mansion in North Carolwood Drive, Los Angeles.
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did i remember the thread wrongly does the midnight milk cause incontinence whilst in use?
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the thought is still there - strange bedtime routine
can any one find the thread about the use of the incontinence condom?
is this what you would look forward to after a night rehearsing?
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I think a catheter, the condom kind, was mentioned in the autopsy report and discussed in tht thread.
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the thought is still there - strange bedtime routine
can any one find the thread about the use of the incontinence condom?
is this what you would look forward to after a night rehearsing?
I see where you are coming from and yes you would need the condom catheter as you wuld lose control of your bladder with the milk
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I think that the only bedtime routine that I believe is true is the one that Cherilyn Lee says, clasic music and Disney. She also says that he was healthy and used 'Myers’ Cocktail to boost his system. How does this matches with all the complications reports? Doesn´t match.
Even what Cherilyn says about asking her to use propofol can be on purpose so she tells so now (if this is a hoax). I see the propofol thing to risky and MJ too cleaver. I don´t think he could ask for it.
The bed pic a lie of prop fool planted with the moving van, if this pic is true, what I also doubt. But the things maybe were really there and were planted.
It´s all very exaggerated.
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well I think if he had been dancing at least he could take a shower I mean yeah it is ood just arriving and do not eat, not doing anything just lying on bed for sleep because he was desperate to rest if so he was tired and he wouldn't need any drug.
if he couldn't sleep he could do anything watch TV, drink milk (not the drug, lol)
he took enouhg drugs for die how couldn't he sleep?
at 7am DCM still was giving michael drugs?? but he had to work that same day was he goig to work sleepy?... :roll:
I really don't understand
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The report said there was an oxygen tank near Jacko’s bed, medical supplies including disposable needles on the tables and a bottle of urine on a chair.
Urine?
Michael Jackson 1980-1990
Jacko, who died in June aged 50, apparently suffered from incontinence and had an enlarged prostate. On his bed was a blue plastic pad and a catheter.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/238903/celebrit ... scent.html (http://www.anorak.co.uk/238903/celebrities/michael-jackson-v-conrad-murray-psychic-finds-the-bald-truth-in-signature-scent.html)
http://bumpshack.com/2009/08/03/michael ... ne-photos/ (http://bumpshack.com/2009/08/03/michael-jackson-deathbed-crime-scene-photos/)
Michael Jackson’s Deathbed Crime Scene Photos! (Video)
Posted on: August 3rd, 2009Rita Pereira
British tabloid News of The World has published in its printed edition (not online!) shocking photos of the bedroom where Michael Jackson died from a heart attack on June 25 (photos below).
This is the real room where Dr. Conrad Murray tried to resuscitate the King Of Pop for 25 minutes, which was sealed by authorities and treated as a crime scene. This second-floor bedroom was reportedly used by Dr. Murray to store medical supplies and where Diprivan (Propofol) was also found.
Here are the details from the scene, according to NOTW:
There on the floor at the bottom of the bed is a used AMBU BAG - a manual pump device used by medics to force air through a mask and into the lungs to keep an unconscious patient alive.
This was part of Dr Murray’s kit and the INSTRUCTION LEAFLET is alongside.
The see-through curl of plastic tubing linking the bag and mask appears to have collected pools of liquid. Parts of the tube have a red or brown discoloration. This is likely to be the result of expelled moisture in the breath and evidence the device HAS been used.
On a wheeled trolley to the left of the photo (which we are not publishing online but which is available in our printed edition) is more medical equipment.
ALCOHOL PREPARATION PADS used for cleaning the skin before drug injections, a roll of SURGICAL TAPE and a box of disposable LATEX GLOVES. On the bedside table is a large landline PHONE. It isn’t known if this is the one used by bodyguard Alberto Alvarez to dial 911 when his boss failed to respond to Murray’s efforts.
Abandoned on the bed is a string of Middle Eastern-style PRAYER BEADS, worn by Jackson around his neck and clearly visible in our picture. “There’s a mystery around who gave them to Michael but he loved to wear them,” said our insider.
Bizarrely, what looks just like an INCONTINENCE PAD sits in the centre of the bed, possibly covering blood or other stains. The length of blue ribbon alongside is believed to have been used as a MAKESHIFT TOURNIQUET, to bind the star’s arm and find a vein so drugs could be administered. The duvet is pulled to one side and, incredibly, there is still a slight DENT made by dying Jacko’s head in the plumped-up pillow, up against the ornate gold-painted headboard.
Oddly, a tube of Crest TOOTHPASTE lies apparently unopened on the bed. An insider said this had no relevance to the resuscitation, but Jacko, 50, was obsessed with dental hygiene and had tubes of the stuff all over the house.
On the side table is also a half-drunk bottle of ORANGE. The insider told us: “It was MJ’s. He was trying to stay healthy.”
On the shelf above there’s a near-full bottle of FIJI MINERAL WATER, the fashionable brand favored by celebrities. Another almost-empty bottle is on the glass-topped trolley nearby. Almost hidden under the duvet you can see the legs of a TOY DOLL that usually sat on top of the bed.
Alongside is a DVD or CD. Back on the bedside table sits a SPECTACLES CASE. Both the star and Dr Murray wore glasses but our source said: “Jacko had many pairs, and their cases, lying about all over the house.”
Out of view of the camera, according to our insider, are oxygen bottles used to treat the star as part of his heavy-duty prescription drugs regime.
These shocking photos of Michael Jackson’s Deathbed, where Dr. Murray tried to resuscitate him (first on the bed, then on the rug-covered wooden floor), were taken the day after he died by a family insider at his rented mansion in North Carolwood Drive, Los Angeles.
Read more: http://bumpshack.com/2009/08/03/michael ... z0lyD7SEgU (http://bumpshack.com/2009/08/03/michael-jackson-deathbed-crime-scene-photos/#ixzz0lyD7SEgU)
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Michael Jackson’s Crime Scene Death-Bed Photos
http://www.jensjuice.com/2009/08/michae ... h-bed.html (http://www.jensjuice.com/2009/08/michael-jacksons-crime-scene-death-bed.html)
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Labels: crime scene, death-bed, michael jackson, Photos
British tabloid News Of The World has supposedly gotten a hold of photos of Michael Jackson’s death-bed taken on July 26. The photos allegedly show MJ’s bedroom at his rented Bel Air mansion, and various items strewn about the bed and floor.
A family member reportedly took the death-bed pictures while the room was still considered a crime scene. The pics show a wide variety of medical and other personal items.
Here’s a brief list:
An air pump for CPR use, a homemade tourniquet (we can assume that was used for administering intravenous drugs), incontinence pads, prayer beads, a doll (remember the reports that he slept with a porcelain doll?), a CD/DVD, and alcohol-soaked pads (could be used to clean the skin before a shot).
If you put the items together in your head, CSI style, it would paint a pretty grim picture of the last few hours of the singer’s life.
Fred Corral of the LA Coroner’s Office has confirmed that the room depicted in the photos is the real deal, saying: “That IS the scene where Michael Jackson died.”
This video helps to shed a little light on the supposed Michael Jackson death-bed, crime scene photos.
Michael Jackson Death Bed Photos Surface And Published (Updated Video Pics)
Posted on August 2, 2009
UPDATE 8/03/2009: View below the reported pic of Michael Jackson Death Bed from News of the World at the bottom of post
Unfortunately there is more pretty much morbid news about the death of Michael Jackson, and this time it has to do with photos that have surfaced of Michael Jackson’s deathbed . These photos have been captured by News of the World and are only published in hard form as of now, however, as anything else goes, will be online soon.
Now according to News of the World, Michael Jackson isn’t actually in these photos but the photos are of the room after his actual dying and being taken to the hospital, meaning that the photos were taken after Dr. Murray made a monster attempt at reviving him through CPR. The report from News of the World is stating that amongst many medical objects, what are assumed to be Michael Jackson’s prayer beads on the bed, but not around Jackson’s neck. These prayer beads are something that MJ had apparently “loved to wear”.
What Michael Jackson had been eating as well as toothpaste and other items were around him at the time of his death. Again, if anyone has ever seen an untouched death scene, this is what this will be like minus the dead body, similar to the scene at Lorraine Motel where Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was shot to death. The room remains the same as it is now a museum.
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Interesting that the media are basing much of their story on photos taken by "family insiders" who probably planted the stuff in the room. Michael as a good story-teller must have thought hard to create the elaborate details for the bedroom to make himself appear extremely bizarre, eccentric, every detail to confirm to even medically knowledgably people, that it was a drug related death. He knew the public would just eat up stuff about his weirdness. The crazier the better! Either that or he actually had a real patient who was using all those drugs, and that's why the floor was off limits to staff. Although it seems impossible that 3 little kids could keep any secrets from the rest of the staff. Just a question, at Neverland did he also have the policy of no staff in his bedroom ever even for cleaning. Because if he had kids over all the time and having all the crazy fun with food they had, I can't see Michael doing all that cleaning up himself. Or was that rule only in this latest mansion? Somehow I just can't imagine Michael wanting to sleep in squalor.
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What time was michael on his way home from the staples centre that night,in the first post it mentions 1.30 am,not sure if that was just an example or not, :oops: but in the right up further down the page,it says dr cm,gave him the (milk),shortly after midnight. :? might mean nothing,just a thought.
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From my own personal experience I use to work a late shift and get home late at night. It would take me at least an hour or two just to unwind from being busy all night at work. I hardly ever came home and went straight to bed. I would watch tv and chill then go to bed. When you're busy all night with people you need some time to yourself. So If I were in his situation dancing and practicing I don't think I would be able to go straight to bed. When you're not tired your body won't allow you to just relax and go to sleep when you're ready you will eventually sleep. Until this day I am a night person who can stay up extremely late because of the odd hours I worked in the past. I think people are differeny when it comes to their bed time routines. I often nap during the day as well. I also wanted to add that I looked at the pics of MJ's supposed death bed and it look to staged and perfect to me. The bed is basically neat with everything placed in a specific place. If that day was the way they described it that bed should have been messy because if MJ couldn't sleep I'm sure he would have been tossing and turning like crazy. Also if Murray did CPR on that bed there should be ruffled sheets and blankets and an imprint somewhere. That room should look chaotic and messy if it was indeed a state of panic that day.
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"would you ask him to put the condom or would you do the first one, knowing that he would have to change it regularly"
Is this a tasteless joke?
Guys, I spoke about this subject before...did anyone read the AR? If you all did you would know the reason for the condom catheter and why he used it based on the evidence and I'm sure it will come out at trial. And NO, the Doctor wouldn't have to touch or even see MJ's peepee. (sorry, I'm a mom and we use Peepee) it would have been something MJ would put on himself. Here is the most logical explanation.
-MJ suffered from an enlarged prostate and a distended bladder according to AR...this means that his enlarged prostate made going difficult (he took meds for this) emptying the bladder fully would be difficult and would cause MJ to go frequently as the urge to go would come very often but he would at times be unable to empty his bladder completely. This would cause the distention of his bladder that occured over time noticed in the AR.
-MJ complained of dehydration
-MJ wanted sleep.
MJ wore a condom catheter that enabled himself to relieve himself into a bottle from the bedside in order to monitor his hydration level and so that he wouldn't have to get out of bed every 20 minutes to use the bathroom (he was trying to sleep). A condom catheter allowed privacy in that he wouldn't have to expose himself in order to relieve himself every time he had to go.(use your imagination on that, but the condom catheter has a rubber tube at the end)
-a note on propofol...it does not affect the bladder muscle and you will not let go of yourself when under. Often, when surgery is going to be long...a catheter is inserted into the urethra into the bladder in order to relieve the person who is under from a full bladder.
-The thing to note, that is on death the bladder would have relaxed...MJ was found with more than 2 cups of urine in his bladder in the AR...this means that his flow was very much affected by his enlarged prostate. Without that pushing on his urethra, he would have let go of that on his death.
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I find it very hard to believe that Michael was being put down every single night with propofol. Propofol does not rest the body, it anesthetizes your organs. Once that wears off I would think one would be just as tired after as before using it. A buildup of weeks and weeks of non sleep would have one virtually dead on his feet, or dropping dead on his feet. We all know that wasn't the case after watching This Is It.
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I find it very hard to believe that Michael was being put down every single night with propofol. Propofol does not rest the body, it anesthetizes your organs. Once that wears off I would think one would be just as tired after as before using it. A buildup of weeks and weeks of non sleep would have one virtually dead on his feet, or dropping dead on his feet. We all know that wasn't the case after watching This Is It.
You're right except for the weeks part.
6 days without sleep causes seizure resulting in death.
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I find it very hard to believe that Michael was being put down every single night with propofol. Propofol does not rest the body, it anesthetizes your organs. Once that wears off I would think one would be just as tired after as before using it. A buildup of weeks and weeks of non sleep would have one virtually dead on his feet, or dropping dead on his feet. We all know that wasn't the case after watching This Is It.
You're right except for the weeks part.
6 days without sleep causes seizure resulting in death.
No one said MJ had no sleep. The Dr. says that he was using the propofol to make him fall asleep and then would rely on the drugs already in his system to keep him asleep. (the other two drugs he administered before the propofol.) This is why the Propofol was not on a continuous drip attached to the I.V. but rather administered once thru a syringe into the IV line.
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:?: the doctor said :?: :?: :?: what doctor :shock: Conrad Murray :roll: Wow, how credible. I don't believe a word that rolls out of that idiot's mouth. He's had how many stories now>?? :lol: :lol:
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I personally think the whole story is concocted. After all, until now, the general public knew little of this drug. The entire story about the condom catheter/propofol sound absurd to me.
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People, let's get a few things straight up:
"His doctor Conrad Murray gave him Propofol shortly after midnight, as he had done on numerous occasions." WHAT TIME IS IT? 12.30 AM, 1 AM, 1.30 AM, LATEST 2AM. WHAT WAS GOING ON ALL NIGHT UNTIL 11.30 AM WHEN MICHALE "DIED"? MJ WAS FINE AND SLEEPING, WAS ON RPOPOFOL ALL NIGHT BUT HIS HEART STOPPED JUST AT 11.30 AM? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY INFO ABOUT ALL NIGHT. ALL ATORY WE HAVE STARTS FROM 8 AM TIL 11.30 AM. However , Murrey was living msg to his patient at 11.45am as if nothing happened!!! ??? And suddenly cameras were not working that day or not found!
THIA MAKES ME THINK OF HOAX OR HOMICIDE. But not manslaughter. WHY MURREY STILL HANGING AROUND?
"Exactly what happened is a mystery – one the Los Angeles Police Department is desperately trying to solve." Right, AGAIN MYSTERY SURROUNDING MICHAEL. THAT's MICHAEL OR LAPD is crap:)
"One theory they are working on is that the doctor then fell asleep himself, and by the time he woke up Jackson was dead." FELL A SLEEP, or WENT to the BATHROOM or ..............?
"Crucially, equipment deemed vital in administering Propofol was absent from the 50-year-old star’s bedroom. It was equipment that might have saved his life."
Dr Murray allegedly failed to use a EKG machine, which sounds an alarm when the patient’s pulse drops too low. He also reportedly did not use a pulse oximeter, which sounds an alarm if breathing slows to a dangerous level.". THIS MAKES ME THINK OF HOMICIDE or HOAX BECAUSE MICHAEL IS NOT THAT NAIVE TO PUT HIMSELF ON THAT HIGH RISK and scare his children.
A lot is not clear, investigators!
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arnie said that this was his drug of choice
what, why?
and why in June
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some say that the AR is fake
i have to admit i read only a few pages [sorry]
but do we have any other information that would confirm that he had an enlarged prostate
pap joe wanted his medical records, suppose we will not know until the trial
do the meds he takes point to it, are any of the meds used to control this condition
does anyone know - noddy's guide about this condition
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I have three questions if anyone could help.
1. According to the AR, the catheter was still in place. Would
this NOT be removed at the hospital? I mean they clean up
don't they before removal of bodies?
2. Do you know that some types of poison in a human
body paralize the body, and that person cannot then expel
bodily functions?
3. WHAT happened to the interview with the person who
drove Michael Jackson home from the Staples center?
This is not the rhetorical question, I never did get to read
that interview.
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some say that the AR is fake
i have to admit i read only a few pages [sorry]
but do we have any other information that would confirm that he had an enlarged prostate
pap joe wanted his medical records, suppose we will not know until the trial
do the meds he takes point to it, are any of the meds used to control this condition
does anyone know - noddy's guide about this condition
yes, the flomax he was using. It relaxes the muscles of the prostate and the bladder to make urine flow easier. It's used to treat patients with prostate enlargement. Other than the evidence in the AR, I don't know of anything
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I have three questions if anyone could help.
1. According to the AR, the catheter was still in place. Would
this NOT be removed at the hospital? I mean they clean up
don't they before removal of bodies?
2. Do you know that some types of poison in a human
body paralize the body, and that person cannot then expel
bodily functions?
3. WHAT happened to the interview with the person who
drove Michael Jackson home from the Staples center?
This is not the rhetorical question, I never did get to read
that interview.
when you say catheter, are you referring to the one they put in his leg that went up to his heart? or the condom catheter? either way, none of them would have been removed because they would want to see the if it attributed to the death. They would clean up any fluids and make the body presentable, but they would leave the body as is.
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Does anyone know if is there any way to know wich things (punctures, catheters, etc) were on his body already at home, and wich ones were placed by the paramedics in order to practice the resuscitation, by reading the Report? I don’t seem to find it out...
In the Report, all these things are stated under the "Evidence of Theraphy" e.g the Endotracheal Tube (obviously placed there by the Paramedics) and the Condom Catheter (that we suppose was already there).
It's just to know what did Dr. Murray about the dehydration... Did he put a line with fluids or something? (Both Femoral and the Jugular lines were practiced by the paramedics or once in the UCLA, not at home right?).
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In urinary catheterization, or "cathing" for short, a plastic tube known as a urinary catheter that is gently slid into a patient's bladder via his or her urethra. Catheterization allows the patient's urine to drain freely from the bladder for collection. Condom or Texas catheter- bassically is a one of 6 types of catheters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinary_catheterization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinary_catheterization)
Do not forget anesthesiologist conclusion recently we had an article about.He said Murrey could not give small amount of the propofol intravenous.That's not possible, small amount can be injected only intramascular. So, why whould Michael use catheter if he was not under long time intravenous therapy?
Read some more about IV Therapy and types.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intravenous_therapy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intravenous_therapy)
So, catheter usually used if patient is going to have long time IV and cannot go to pee. Michael could not be long time under propofol IV, HE WOULD HAVE DIED MOMENTARILY FOR THE FIRST TIME DOING THAT.
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some say that the AR is fake
i have to admit i read only a few pages [sorry]
but do we have any other information that would confirm that he had an enlarged prostate
pap joe wanted his medical records, suppose we will not know until the trial
do the meds he takes point to it, are any of the meds used to control this condition
does anyone know - noddy's guide about this condition
yes, the flomax he was using. It relaxes the muscles of the prostate and the bladder to make urine flow easier. It's used to treat patients with prostate enlargement. Other than the evidence in the AR, I don't know of anything
would mike have been in pain?
would such a condition prevent a world tour?
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Does anyone know if is there any way to know wich things (punctures, catheters, etc) were on his body already at home, and wich ones were placed by the paramedics in order to practice the resuscitation, by reading the Report? I don’t seem to find it out...
In the Report, all these things are stated under the "Evidence of Theraphy" e.g the Endotracheal Tube (obviously placed there by the Paramedics) and the Condom Catheter (that we suppose was already there).
It's just to know what did Dr. Murray about the dehydration... Did he put a line with fluids or something? (Both Femoral and the Jugular lines were practiced by the paramedics or once in the UCLA, not at home right?).
yes why wasnt mike fitted with a saline drip or what ever, this is not knew he had been admitted i read or heard with this previous i think during the trial - it was a very serious thing at that time
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In urinary catheterization, or "cathing" for short, a plastic tube known as a urinary catheter that is gently slid into a patient's bladder via his or her urethra. Catheterization allows the patient's urine to drain freely from the bladder for collection. Condom or Texas catheter- bassically is a one of 6 types of catheters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinary_catheterization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinary_catheterization)
Do not forget anesthesiologist conclusion recently we had an article about.He said Murrey could not give small amount of the propofol intravenous.That's not possible, small amount can be injected only intramascular. So, why whould Michael use catheter if he was not under long time intravenous therapy?
Read some more about IV Therapy and types.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intravenous_therapy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intravenous_therapy)
So, catheter usually used if patient is going to have long time IV and cannot go to pee. Michael could not be long time under propofol IV, HE WOULD HAVE DIED MOMENTARILY FOR THE FIRST TIME DOING THAT.
first, that is not true, you can give a small amount intravinously and that is where propofol in intended to go. Second, the catheter was a condom catheter and went on the outside of the body and did not enter into the urethra. Read what I wrote about why he used the condome catheter above...it is not because he was under anesthesia.
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some say that the AR is fake
i have to admit i read only a few pages [sorry]
but do we have any other information that would confirm that he had an enlarged prostate
pap joe wanted his medical records, suppose we will not know until the trial
do the meds he takes point to it, are any of the meds used to control this condition
does anyone know - noddy's guide about this condition
yes, the flomax he was using. It relaxes the muscles of the prostate and the bladder to make urine flow easier. It's used to treat patients with prostate enlargement. Other than the evidence in the AR, I don't know of anything
would mike have been in pain?
would such a condition prevent a world tour?
I don't know about pain so much as discomfort. The prostate itself wouldnt give him pain but if his bladder got too full, that could, and the act of trying to urinate with an enlarged prostate could cause pain. I don't think that it would affect him being able to perform (on stage...LOL), especially if he was taking medicine to help it. Many men suffer this problem and they are still able to live their life. But, since I'm a woman, I can only speculate. I guess we need to ask someone who is suffering from this same sort of problem.
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thanks for all your research.
you say that they are able to get on with their live - yeap
but do a world tour?
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thanks for all your research.
you say that they are able to get on with their live - yeap
but do a world tour?
well, it wasn't supposed to be a WORLD tour, just 50 concerts in one place...the O2 arena...but I agree with you...I always believed MJ only agreed to 10!
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In History tour Michael was peeing in a bottle on stage. Or it really looks that way...but then again, the Tour de France people do it also, on the bike.
[attachment=0:29z50fj9]peeing in bottle.jpg[/attachment:29z50fj9]
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thanks for all your research.
you say that they are able to get on with their live - yeap
but do a world tour?
well, it wasn't supposed to be a WORLD tour, just 50 concerts in one place...the O2 arena...but I agree with you...I always believed MJ only agreed to 10!
According to Dileo that´s not true.
http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/105631 (http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/105631)
How did you get involved with Michael again?
Michael first called me a couple of years ago, after he came back from Bahrain, then was in Ireland and Vegas for a while. We chitchatted, he called again and we started communicating about film projects. There were a couple of scripts we wanted to develop and produce. Then he got involved in this concert deal. He called me in March and said, “Frank, I need someone with a little bit of experience. Would you like to manage me again and take care of all this stuff?” And I said, “Yeah, sure.” By the time I came in, everything was signed. Dr. Thome Thome—who is someone I don’t want to talk about in this interview—had miscalculated the scheduling on the dates, which is something I had to take care of, because Michael didn’t want to perform more than twice a week.
Was Michael aware that he was signing for up to 50 individual shows?
Absolutely. I read the contract. I know what the minimum amount of dates were, as well as the maximum number of dates. That contract was read to Michael by three different lawyers, as well as Dr. Thome. He wanted to beat Prince’s record and be in the Guinness Book of World Records. He was the one who picked the number 50. There were enough ticket sales to do 85 shows, but he was zeroed in on 50. That’s what he wanted and that’s what happened. Dr. Thome had him doing three or four shows a week, though. I was adjusting and moving dates to try to make it more palatable for Michael to do.
But that´s what he says.
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thanks for all your research.
you say that they are able to get on with their live - yeap
but do a world tour?
well, it wasn't supposed to be a WORLD tour, just 50 concerts in one place...the O2 arena...but I agree with you...I always believed MJ only agreed to 10!
According to Dileo that´s not true.
http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/105631 (http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/105631)
How did you get involved with Michael again?
Michael first called me a couple of years ago, after he came back from Bahrain, then was in Ireland and Vegas for a while. We chitchatted, he called again and we started communicating about film projects. There were a couple of scripts we wanted to develop and produce. Then he got involved in this concert deal. He called me in March and said, “Frank, I need someone with a little bit of experience. Would you like to manage me again and take care of all this stuff?” And I said, “Yeah, sure.” By the time I came in, everything was signed. Dr. Thome Thome—who is someone I don’t want to talk about in this interview—had miscalculated the scheduling on the dates, which is something I had to take care of, because Michael didn’t want to perform more than twice a week.
Was Michael aware that he was signing for up to 50 individual shows?
Absolutely. I read the contract. I know what the minimum amount of dates were, as well as the maximum number of dates. That contract was read to Michael by three different lawyers, as well as Dr. Thome. He wanted to beat Prince’s record and be in the Guinness Book of World Records. He was the one who picked the number 50. There were enough ticket sales to do 85 shows, but he was zeroed in on 50. That’s what he wanted and that’s what happened. Dr. Thome had him doing three or four shows a week, though. I was adjusting and moving dates to try to make it more palatable for Michael to do.
But that´s what he says.
funny that i have cut and paste an news report abut it being a 3 year tour anf frank in the interview said mike knew had to do more
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[youtube:1xlsg5hr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cNeJjA6LlM&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:1xlsg5hr]
see posts on the AEG contract viewtopic.php?f=34&t=1396 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=1396)
see posts on AEG the true criminals
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4297 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4297)
remember at about 3.10 frank said he spoke to mike post death and mike still wanted to do the shows.
so this new statement, he was trying to reduce them eh!
i have read that he wanted to do 10 more than prince - mike was/is very competitive and wanted to beat another record i would accept this, but the deal was negotiated - movies
so it was read over, why could he not read it?
we have not seen the 50 show contract why did they release just a letter for 31 shows?
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think what you want about the shows...the fact is MJ signed on for 10... There is fan footage (I saw it before it was taken down) where MJ is saying that he was very upset...that he went to bed and it was 10 concerts and that when he woke up it was 50...he goes on to say that He needs to put on weight in order to do that many and that he didn't know how he was going to do that because he wasn't a big eater. You won't find the video, just a write up of what he said, because the BIG guys took the video down....Frank says all that crap to cover his ass, AEG's ass and everyone else who is making money off this. MJ was freaked out and there is video footage of Kenney telling us MJ called him up and said "that's enough Kenney...no more concerts!" and there is footage of Kenney saying how he had to cut up MJ's chicken and follow him around making sure he was eating and that MJ told Him that he wasn't eating or drinking and that he thought someone was trying to poison him...Kenney was asked about MJ not showing up for rehersals and Kenney made a joke and said if that were true he would just go over to MJ's house and pick him up and carry him to the rehersal because he was very thin and was easy to move!...once he realized that he was gonna be making some big bucks off this movie and that people were starting to suspect AEG had a role in putting stress on MJ ....he changed his tune...and all of a sudden...MJ was thrilled..MJ was healthy as a horse...MJ was in better shape than Kenney...MJ wanted to beat prince....
It's all a bunch of lies to cover their asses! I'ts been a while people...don't forget...don't let them make you forget!
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The question is WILL THEY BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE? WILL THEY REAP WHAT THEY SOW? :(
IN that video you are right at about 3;09 Frank says "He (MJ) told me that last night, he told me he wanted to do the 50 shows!" I am going OMG MJ is suppose to be well you know :? So how could he tell Frank anything last night unless it was a slip of Franks's tongue. :?
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by mykidsmum » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:03 am
think what you want about the shows...the fact is MJ signed on for 10... There is fan footage (I saw it before it was taken down) where MJ is saying that he was very upset...that he went to bed and it was 10 concerts and that when he woke up it was 50..
THANK YOU! I will NEVER forget this video! He looks helpless
and resigned when he says it too! At that moment, I really feel
HATE for those people. :twisted: :twisted:
So, I wonder where the fan is and the original video?
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mykidsmom- "Read what I wrote about why he used the condome catheter above...it is not because he was under anesthesia"
Like you were there and saw since you wrote.... :roll:
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In History tour Michael was peeing in a bottle on stage. Or it really looks that way...but then again, the Tour de France people do it also, on the bike.
[attachment=0:vkjgeqa9]peeing in bottle.jpg[/attachment:vkjgeqa9]
Wht I ment with this pic was, that if someone have a entlarged prostata, they must pee very often. Maybe that's why he needed to have a bottle on stage...Maybe he had problems with the blatter allready in History tour.
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funny that i have cut and paste an news report abut it being a 3 year tour anf frank in the interview said mike knew had to do more
arabian we also have this ;) :
R. Hallett: MJ was planning going with "This is it" to Madrid
Source: TheTimesOnline
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/article6962266.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797084
Hallett saw Jackson three weeks before he died. “Michael was excited, he was enthused, fit. The day before he died we agreed, ‘Spain’s a bit depressed, so let’s go to Madrid after the O2’. He was driving home when someone called and asked, ‘Have you heard the news?’ I got drunk for three days.”
I think he was maybe thinking on a real tour after London.
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mykidsmom- "Read what I wrote about why he used the condome catheter above...it is not because he was under anesthesia"
Like you were there and saw since you wrote.... :roll:
No, I wasn't there but I happen to have a pharmacist for a husband and Propofol does not relax the bladder muscles...it does not not make you wet yourself when you are "under" and the only type of catheter that can empty your bladder while under sedation is one that is threaded up into the urethra and past the sphincter muscle of the bladder and into the bladder itself....A condom catheter like MJ was using, does not do this...it fits on the outside of the body, just how the name implies and needs the person wearing it to voluntarily "pee".
The fact that MJ was found on the Autopsy table with more than 2 cups of urine in his bladder (wich is a lot and he would have felt the urge to pee had he been awake) and the fact that the Autopsy report said he had: Nodular prostatic hyperplasia a) prominent intravesical median lobe enlargement. b) urinary retention and later in the report... the urinary bladder is distended and trabeculated (trabeculated means that the walls of the bladder have thickened over time due to urinary retention and/or blockage) Trabeculation of the bladder happens when urine flow from an enlarged prostate inhibits the urine flow.
-MJ took flomax (according to AR) which helps sufferers of prostate enlargement go "pee" more easily
-MJ was collecting his urine in a bottle and was complaining of dehydration
-upon death, MJ did not release his bladder (which is normal) which shows the amount of pressure the prostate was pushing on the urethra...enough to keep the urine inside his bladder.
from all this, and the fact that MJ was trying to sleep and that with an enlarged prostate and full bladder, we can see that MJ was probably collecting his urine in the bottle to keep track of his hydration levels and so that he would not have to leave his bed every 20 minutes to use the bathroom, which would be counter productive to someone trying to get to sleep. He most probably wore the condom catheter (which actually looks like a condom with a long rubber tube coming off the end) in order to relieve himself into the collection bottle from his bed and with modesty. (only the rubber tube would need to be exposed)
I only ever said this is my best logical guess, I never said this is the reason, but I can say for a fact that he was not wearing for the anesthesa because propofol has no effect on relaxation of bladder muscles. It is possible that he was taking medication that relaxed his bladder muscles and was wearing the condom catheter as a precaution, but again, more than 2 cups of urine was in his bladder and if this were the case, it would have been released.
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I'd really like to see that fan-video of Michael saying he only wanted to do 10 shows. Not doubting anyone but I want to see it with my own eyes! Is that fan apart of TINI? If so I'd expect him/her to try and spread that footage, however that has not happened, I wonder why?
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I'd really like to see that fan-video of Michael saying he only wanted to do 10 shows. Not doubting anyone but I want to see it with my own eyes! Is that fan apart of TINI? If so I'd expect him/her to try and spread that footage, however that has not happened, I wonder why?
me too
guys thanks for all your contributions.
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I dont like this thread.
I dont think Mike would like us discussing things like this "catheta".
I know I wouldnt.
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I dont like this thread.
I dont think Mike would like us discussing things like this "catheta".
I know I wouldnt.
i dont mean to be personal about mike, i am just thinking does this seem from what we know to be his bed time routine, prior to murray kiling him - i want the answer to be no
just trying to work out if he is dead or not
i really dont think we want to hurt him in any way - i would be the first to to say close the thread, but if it offends you, then ask for it to be locked, i mean no harm and sorry if i have upset you. ask for it to be locked - sorry
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I'd really like to see that fan-video of Michael saying he only wanted to do 10 shows. Not doubting anyone but I want to see it with my own eyes! Is that fan apart of TINI? If so I'd expect him/her to try and spread that footage, however that has not happened, I wonder why?
me too
guys thanks for all your contributions.
It really puzzles me that these fans haven't tried to spread this supposed video. They could put it up on a blog or e-mail it to other fans or even the media. They could also have played the video/audio outside the court. It just seems too strange, if Michael really has left us wouldn't we want to do everything for justice to be served?
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I'd really like to see that fan-video of Michael saying he only wanted to do 10 shows. Not doubting anyone but I want to see it with my own eyes! Is that fan apart of TINI? If so I'd expect him/her to try and spread that footage, however that has not happened, I wonder why?
me too
guys thanks for all your contributions.
It really puzzles me that these fans haven't tried to spread this supposed video. They could put it up on a blog or e-mail it to other fans or even the media. They could also have played the video/audio outside the court. It just seems too strange, if Michael really has left us wouldn't we want to do everything for justice to be served?
You don't understand...the video was taken down off youtube around June 29th. I saw it with my own eyes. No doubt AEG paid the person big bucks to hand over the video. The only other thing I can think of is that they had to take it down because it is going to be used at trial?! Here is what they are saying about it on other forums and also what it said in print...http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/michael-jackson-didnt-want-50_1105337
what other forums were saying about it
http://www.mjfanclub.net/mjforum373/showthread.php?t=31611&page=10 There is a reason why they took it down...
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[youtube:2fk28asf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyUHQqQBKHU&playnext_from=TL&videos=202mFJOUr8A[/youtube:2fk28asf]
here is my video I posted long ago.[youtube:2fk28asf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6I1LuwHeSc[/youtube:2fk28asf] I saw the video before it was taken down and I saw MJ putting his hands on his face looking like he wanted to cry! I saw this.
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I saw the video before it was taken down and I saw MJ putting his hands on his face looking like he wanted to cry! I saw this.
That breaks my heart, it truly, truly does :cry: :cry: I want him to be well, this is not fair! :( I don't understand why other fans that met him say he looked happy and excited :? . If AEG did manage to pay that fan I guess justice is not that important to him/her anyway... Yeah, let's all just support the ugly side of humanity :x ! Michael, I'm sorry about my bitterness, I try to be positve but sometimes it's so so hard.
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skin cancer?!
Did they (contactmusic.com) just decide to throw that in there or what? If we're to believe the AR we know that is a complete lie.
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skin cancer?!
Did they (contactmusic.com) just decide to throw that in there or what? If we're to believe the AR we know that is a complete lie.
how do you know? If he had some skin cancer removed how could you know he had skin cancer at all? There were no history medical records spoken of in AR...if you remember, there is an irregular scared patch on his shoulder about 4 inches in diameter and a few other things here and there that could be caused by removal of some skin cancer. We can't even tell he had Lupus from the AR report but we know know he did based on what his Dr. has said....
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I saw the video before it was taken down and I saw MJ putting his hands on his face looking like he wanted to cry! I saw this.
That breaks my heart, it truly, truly does :cry: :cry: I want him to be well, this is not fair! :( I don't understand why other fans that met him say he looked happy and excited :? . If AEG did manage to pay that fan I guess justice is not that important to him/her anyway... Yeah, let's all just support the ugly side of humanity :x ! Michael, I'm sorry about my bitterness, I try to be positve but sometimes it's so so hard.
To be fair, I think MJ was like a lot of us when presented with something in our future that seems so large and looming...at times you feel excited and euphoric and the next minute you realize the mountain you are about to climb and you choke up, doubt yourself and your abilities...I have no doubt that fans are telling the truth as well as some of his friends that said he was excited...I am sure there were times he was and times, like in the video I saw, where he was doubtful, anxious, and in despair over how he could do this.
for me, it's going back to school...I'm so excited at the thought...but then I start to think...I have 2 more children, my hubby works full time...I'm only one person, when am I going to study and be a mom...the panic sets in and I get gloomy and moody.
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skin cancer?!
Did they (contactmusic.com) just decide to throw that in there or what? If we're to believe the AR we know that is a complete lie.
how do you know? If he had some skin cancer removed how could you know he had skin cancer at all? There were no history medical records spoken of in AR...if you remember, there is an irregular scared patch on his shoulder about 4 inches in diameter and a few other things here and there that could be caused by removal of some skin cancer. We can't even tell he had Lupus from the AR report but we know know he did based on what his Dr. has said....
No I do not know that so I guess you're right but how do they know that though? (who ever their sources are). Has anyone heard about any doctors talking about Michael having skin cancer? I might have missed that from other posts...
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skin cancer?!
Did they (contactmusic.com) just decide to throw that in there or what? If we're to believe the AR we know that is a complete lie.
how do you know? If he had some skin cancer removed how could you know he had skin cancer at all? There were no history medical records spoken of in AR...if you remember, there is an irregular scared patch on his shoulder about 4 inches in diameter and a few other things here and there that could be caused by removal of some skin cancer. We can't even tell he had Lupus from the AR report but we know know he did based on what his Dr. has said....
No I do not know that so I guess you're right but how do they know that though? (who ever their sources are). Has anyone heard about any doctors talking about Michael having skin cancer? I might have missed that from other posts...
I havn't heard anything...I think Dr. Klein denied the rumors, but I'm not sure...if anyone heard anything I'd love to know too. For what it's worth, its extremely likely it could be true. People who suffer from vitaligo have no melanin in their skin to protect them from the harmful rays of the sun and I think I read that its like 80 percent or more of vitaligo sufferers with total depigmentation (like MJ) will battle skin cancer at some point.
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcnwpm ... hoax_music (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcnwpm_michael-jackson-autopsy-part-2-hoax_music)
please watch this vid
with so much wrong how did he pass the med tests
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I personally think the whole story is concocted. After all, until now, the general public knew little of this drug. The entire story about the condom catheter/propofol sound absurd to me.
THANK YOOOOOOOOOOOU! :roll: I couldn't have said it better..or else why would we all be here on a "death hoax" board if we really beLIEve this mess to be real? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Ok, I'm going to post some info on this "milk" and I know you may have seen it before or you may have not but I want you to read this and tell me if any of this bs make sense to you.
What is propofol?
Propofol slows the activity of your brain and nervous system.
Propofol is used to help you relax before and during general anesthesia for surgery or other medical procedure. Propofol is also used in critically ill patients who require a breathing tube connected to a ventilator (a machine that moves air in and out of the lungs when a person cannot breathe on their own).
Propofol may be used for other purposes not listed in this medication guide.
What are the possible side effects of propofol?
Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat.
Call your doctor at once if you have a serious side effect such as:
* pain, swelling, blisters, or skin changes where the medicine was injected;
* seizure (convulsions);
* weak or shallow breathing; or
* fast or slow heart rate.
Less serious side effects may include:
* nausea;
* cough;
* slight burning or stinging around the IV needle;
* mild itching or skin rash;
* numbness or tingly feeling;
* confusion, agitation, anxiety;
* muscle pain; or
* discolored urine.
This is not a complete list of side effects and others may occur. Tell your doctor about any unusual or bothersome side effect. You may report side effects to FDA at 1-800-FDA-1088 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 1-800-FDA-1088 end_of_the_skype_highlighting.
What is the most important information I should know about propofol?
You should not receive this medication if you are allergic to propofol or to eggs, soy products, or soybeans.
Before you receive propofol, tell your doctor if you have epilepsy or other seizure disorder, high triglycerides (fats in the blood), liver disease, or kidney disease.
Your caregivers will monitor your heart function, blood pressure, and breathing while you are under the effects of propofol.
Tell your caregivers at once if you have a serious side effect such as seizure, weak or shallow breathing, fast or slow heart rate, or pain, swelling, blisters, or skin changes where the medicine was injected.
Before you receive propofol, tell your doctor about all other medications you use, especially chloral hydrate (Somnote), droperidol (Inapsine), a sedative, or a narcotic pain medication such as fentanyl (Actiq, Duragesic).
Propofol can cause severe drowsiness or dizziness, which may last for several hours. You will need someone to drive you home after your surgery or procedure. Do not drive yourself or do anything that requires you to be awake and alert for at least 24 hours after you have been treated with propofol.
What happens if I overdose?
An overdose of propofol is unlikely to occur since the medication is given by a healthcare professional. Your vital signs will be closely watched while you are under anesthesia to make sure the medication is not causing any harmful effects.
What should I avoid after receiving propofol?
Propofol can cause severe drowsiness or dizziness, which may last for several hours. You will need someone to drive you home after your surgery or procedure. Do not drive yourself or do anything that requires you to be awake and alert for at least 24 hours after you have been treated with propofol.
What other drugs will affect propofol?
Tell your doctor about all other medications you use, especially:
* chloral hydrate (Somnote);
* droperidol (Inapsine);
* a barbiturate such as amobarbital (Amytal), butabarbital (Butisol), mephobarbital (Mebaral), secobarbital (Seconal), or phenobarbital (Solfoton);
* diazepam (Valium) or similar medicines such as alprazolam (Xanax), chlordiazepoxide (Librium), clorazepate (Tranxene), estazolam (ProSom), flurazepam (Dalmane), lorazepam (Ativan), midazolam (Versed), temazepam (Restoril), triazolam (Halcion), and others; or
* a narcotic medication such as fentanyl (Actiq, Duragesic), hydrocodone (Lortab, Vicodin), hydromorphone (Dilaudid, Palladone), morphine (Kadian, MS Contin, Oramorph, and others), oxycodone (OxyContin), oxymorphone (Numorphan, Opana), and others.
This list is not complete and there may be other drugs that can interact with propofol. Tell your doctor about all your prescription and over-the-counter medications, vitamins, minerals, herbal products, and drugs prescribed by other doctors. Do not start a new medication without telling your doctor.
Where can I get more information?
Now ask yourselves do all these articles and reports on MJ add up to you.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: