Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Talk => Topic started by: Good Lets Dance on April 21, 2010, 12:24:05 AM
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I have often noticed this term "The Haters". What brought on this "Hate" of MJ? Did this hate exist prior to the False Allegations? Are Haters Primarily Male or are there Female Haters too? Does anybody here know a "hater" personally? If so; why do they hate him? (Is it simply due to his skin color change? or does it go deeper than that?) Are Haters people who are confused about their own sexuality and resent the fact that MJ's Androgynous Look turned them on? Any insights into this would be appreciated 'cause I just don't understand it :|
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IMO:
Jealousy/enviousness/resentment and projection ... plain and simple.
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Ignorance - They are gullible and so when everybody called him Wacko Jacko, they did too. They followed the crowd because they couldn't make up their mind by themselves. They believed all the tabloid trash and just accepted it. They never knew anything different, never read Michael's book, never watched one of his interviews, (or maybe just watched Bashir) and all they ever saw of MJ was the person who "wanted to be white" and "bought the elephant man's bones". I even believed that at one point, and thought MJ was a bad person, and never thought anymore about it. Than, after This is It came out on DVD and I watched it and I started watching more videos and things and eventually got here. The people who are "haters" are the people who won't even give him a try. I gave him a try and look where I am now, I'm pretty much full obsessive :lol:
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imo...people like that are just unhappy souls who hate all kinds of things......it is easy for those sort to be negative.........because as we are all too aware on this hoax investigation...being optomistic requires a lot of inner strength at times..........xxxxx
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The dislike or hatred of MJ stems from many things.
Some people hate him because they are envious and the entertainment business is very competitive and cut throat.
Some people hate him because he refused to be pigeon-holed within one music genre or simply appealing to one audience demographic.
Some people hate him because they feel that he turned his back on his race with skin bleaching and his choice of female companions.
Some people hate him because they do feel that he is a pedophile who got away with molesting children.
The reasons vary depending on who you ask.
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imo...people like that are just unhappy souls who hate all kinds of things......it is easy for those sort to be negative.........because as we are all too aware on this hoax investigation...being optomistic requires a lot of inner strength at times..........xxxxx
Thank you all who responded so far. Loyalfan; what you said about "unhappy souls..." as in do "haters" have certain traits in common ?(personality defect, emotional problem, etc.) I was hoping someone here knows a Hater in their personal life and could elaborate on other facets of that persons personality. I guess it's more the "Psychology" of a Hater that fascinates me. But something like this might be too personal to post on a public forum if you do know such a person, so that I can understand.
I myself feel like they must not be a well-adjusted person to begin with, to allow a celebrity to effect them in such a Negative way, and that these people are probably not very charming or popular people, and may even be mentally/ emotionally unstable.
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Judging makes the judger feel more superior and righteous. Ignorance makes us believe what others say if we don't have the time or interest to learn the truth for ourselves. I come from a strong religious background, and I would say from people's reactions around me that Michael was seen as a heathen because of the heavy beat, elecric guitar, crotch grabbing, seeming occult connection, sexual lyrics in songs. Secondly the men in my life (husband and sons) are amazed women would even be attracted to Michael because they see certain pics of him as being feminine so they assume MJ as unmanly which repulses them. So I think it's like people just don't know how to catagorize him or understand him because he is so inncredibly unique and one of a kind, and most people come from a narrowminded perspective of some kind. Myself personally hardly was aware of him before his death, besides hearing some of his songs occasionally and seeing bits of the trial and baby-dangling stories, never really thought anything either way. My mind and heart have slowly opened to him, and now I love him wholeheartedly, but can understand the haters to an extent.
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All of the reasons listed above and more.
The Haters need to stop drinking that HATERade! :twisted: :x
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I know people who are against Michael but I wouldn't call them "haters". I leave that term for Diane Dimond, that congressman from New York, and others that have publicly said mean and hateful things about Michael.
The people that I know mostly don't understand the situation and they don't take the time to learn the truth. They believe what they've been told by the media. They see pictures that are so different than the Michael we know (yes, one even showed me a picture and it was one of the impersonators LOL). Anyway, it's mostly ignorance and confusion by what they see and hear. I have to admit, some of it was brought on by Michael by what he fed the media. We tend to lash out at what we don't understand so now It's time to help people understand.
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I know people who are against Michael but I wouldn't call them "haters". I leave that term for Diane Dimond, that congressman from New York, and others that have publicly said mean and hateful things about Michael.
The people that I know mostly don't understand the situation and they don't take the time to learn the truth. They believe what they've been told by the media. They see pictures that are so different than the Michael we know (yes, one even showed me a picture and it was one of the impersonators LOL). Anyway, it's mostly ignorance and confusion by what they see and hear. I have to admit, some of it was brought on by Michael by what he fed the media. We tend to lash out at what we don't understand so now It's time to help people understand.
That's a good point, I agree, cuz some people need the clarity and understanding. :D
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Judging makes the judger feel more superior and righteous. Ignorance makes us believe what others say if we don't have the time or interest to learn the truth for ourselves. I come from a strong religious background, and I would say from people's reactions around me that Michael was seen as a heathen because of the heavy beat, elecric guitar, crotch grabbing, seeming occult connection, sexual lyrics in songs. Secondly the men in my life (husband and sons) are amazed women would even be attracted to Michael because they see certain pics of him as being feminine so they assume MJ as unmanly which repulses them. So I think it's like people just don't know how to catagorize him or understand him because he is so inncredibly unique and one of a kind, and most people come from a narrowminded perspective of some kind. Myself personally hardly was aware of him before his death, besides hearing some of his songs occasionally and seeing bits of the trial and baby-dangling stories, never really thought anything either way. My mind and heart have slowly opened to him, and now I love him wholeheartedly, but can understand the haters to an extent.
MJonmind, what you say about the "men in your life" being repulsed that women find MJ attractive...I think you *Hit it on the Head* with that one! It upsets their sense of Male Equalibrium! The "Macho-Type" Male is totally baffled by this Skinny Twinkle-Toed Black/Tan/White, LIttle-Boy-Man wearing lipstick, eyeliner, ponytail, etc. and women of all ages & races Swooning and Obsessed over him! Thank You for coming up with that! I'm sitting here laughing about all the poor Neanderthals that have no idea how to compete with this :lol:
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I have often noticed this term "The Haters". What brought on this "Hate" of MJ? Did this hate exist prior to the False Allegations? Are Haters Primarily Male or are there Female Haters too? Does anybody here know a "hater" personally? If so; why do they hate him? (Is it simply due to his skin color change? or does it go deeper than that?) Are Haters people who are confused about their own sexuality and resent the fact that MJ's Androgynous Look turned them on? Any insights into this would be appreciated 'cause I just don't understand it :|
Okay i am going to answer this one simply because ive gotten into more than enough arrangements with "haters" on youtube. Most of these haters always say the same thing, hes a weirdo, hes sick, hes a pedo, he molests little boys, he bleached his skin. So to my opinion after dealing with way to many, i have come to a conclusion that they are just ignorant bastards who make themselves feel better by belittling Michael, they seem to feel the need to spend so much time bashing his music page and bashing his videos that sometimes they are more obsessed with him than the fans themselves, I think they are just ignorant and choose to believe what the media says about him cause it makes them feel better and bigger. Most of these haters that ive dealt with are mostly MALE. so i sense some hardcore jealousy going on due to the fact that Michael can probably satisfy their women more than they can just by looking at a picture of him. I sense because hes talented and can pretty much do anything men tend to envy him. Also the fact every girl lusts for him isnt helping these poor men either. LOL. Also i think they are just ignorant morons who cant make up their own mind and have to judge him in order to feel superior, They sit on their asses all day at a computer screen since im assuming how much time they spend bashing his videos they obviously dont have much of a social life. probably some morons who stay at home bashing his videos and playing call of duty all day. I know its harsh to say this but ive dealt with way to many of them i can quickly pick up on their next move or words cause they all act exactly the same and say the same things. I even wrote a whole thing for them on my youtube page hoping to shut them up for good. I'm quick to defend Michael against any of these morons because thats all they do is bash on him. like youd think they would rather go out then sit for hours just bashing his videos. UGH.
This is what i wrote on my youtube page.
Michael Jackson, i love him dearly and i have been a fan of his since i was 3, & i will never stop, i will come to his defense in a heartbeat i will gladly fight someone who bashes him. He is a sicko, he is a pedophile, and a child molester??? thats what the haters always say, well i have one question where is the proof? your always asking the fans where the proof is that he is innocent, try reading the newly released 300 pages of FBI files that were released, they show that he was scammed and extortion was going on and they caught Evan chandler on tape planning it, it even clearly states that over a span of 10 years they found NOTHING, not ONE piece of evidence over ten years that prooved he did it. so i ask where is YOUR PROOF haters, where is your proof he was guilty, and making up bullshit by taking the truth and making it negative doesnt make it PROOF! you guys need to take your heads out of your asses and open your eyes and ask, why would any CONCERNED parent settle for money? why would a parent who actually loved their child accept 20 million from an alleged child molester? isnt that just paying off your kid... wow Evan your a winner! Obviously he wanted the money people, if he cared at all he would have rather wanted Michael's ass in jail, or dead, not accept money! you guys are blind & delusional =). if that was my child i wouldn't rest until his ass was dead or in jail, i would not accept money no matter how famous or how much they offered me. Stupidity kills, and unfortunately Michael suffered a lot, with no true friends by his side, except maybe Liz & Mac, other then that everyone betrayed him. If i could meet him just once, i would sit for hours with him and just talk, fuck the autographs and fuck the fan questions, i would rather just talk to him and get to know him and cherish my time with him, i would just want to try to make him happy again, maybe have a water fight, he always did love those :)(L) I LOVE you Michael Jackson. It's all for LOVE.
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Had to cut my post short due to a phone call...I want to also thank YoungNewMJFan, GirlSaturday, Chi-Town (Haterade :lol: ) and everybody else who responded with reasons. I personally don't know any "haters" and my social circle is much smaller than it used to be, but all the females in my life said they NEVER believed the Child Allegations, and 2 males (one a nephew and the other a long-time close friend) Chose to believe the allegations--even after he was exonerated! To the male friend I said something like: "and what would your excuse to dislke him be IF there had NEVER been any Child charges?" Well - I never got an answer to that question! He was VERY uncomfortable with my Emotional response to MJ's "death"; although he seemed to be affected by it too, (but did not want to admit it or acknowledge it) But this ended our relationship. So from my perspective it's all the Females are accepting and supportive and the Men Not so.
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JACKSONGIRL,
Thanks for your resonse regarding You-Tube Trolls! Here is my take on these Trolls: I think they are latent/repressed Homos that were aroused/activated by watching MJ in Videos! I think they are turned on by him and *Do It* while watching the videos...and then are angry about it afterwards. I think MJ was so stimulating to watch that he affected everybody, no matter what their normal sexual orientation! I have even seen cute comments on YT videos of guys saying things like "Wow - I'm a Straight guy but he looks beautiful here" OK, to me that's a well-adjusted straight guy that can admit that and be OK with it, and laugh at themselves. But then there are the ones that are Turned On and Refuse to Admit it, feel ashamed about it and react by lashing out as "Trolls". I truly sense that this is the REAL Problem with the Trolls!
Madonna said in her Tribute on this years MTV awards "Millions of women fell in love with him" and then she added "and lots of men too" and the audience applauded - remember that?
I think "Trolls" are actually Guys who have the HOTS for MJ and they Think they are Deflecting that, but in actuality they are Exposing their Lust for him by posting such venom. They aren't fooling anybody! They are CRAZY about him, too :P
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MJ haters are pervert, stupid and totally ugly.
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I personally feel that ignorance and ego plays a huge part in a person's bias of someone. It takes a great deal of emotional investment to either love or hate someone. For those who hate, I feel, have a deep-seated anger, dislike or inadequacy about something within themselves that MJ (or anyone) reminds them of. Perhaps, it could be the fact that MJ always remained composed even throughout all of the hurtful, deceitful allegations; or because he is talented and successful; or that MJ-despite his physical changes-can still be attractive in the eyes of many and that is threatening to their ego. MJ has so many great qualities that seem unattainable, which I feel threatens people who are unwilling to look at themselves and the world with their eyes wide-open and make personal proactive changes. These people are blinded by ignorance which culminates hate, prejudice, discrimination. Oftentimes, because of this fact, these individuals aren't even aware of how repulsive they actually are.
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JACKSONGIRL,
Thanks for your resonse regarding You-Tube Trolls! Here is my take on these Trolls: I think they are latent/repressed Homos that were aroused/activated by watching MJ in Videos! I think they are turned on by him and *Do It* while watching the videos...and then are angry about it afterwards. I think MJ was so stimulating to watch that he affected everybody, no matter what their normal sexual orientation! I have even seen cute comments on YT videos of guys saying things like "Wow - I'm a Straight guy but he looks beautiful here" OK, to me that's a well-adjusted straight guy that can admit that and be OK with it, and laugh at themselves. But then there are the ones that are Turned On and Refuse to Admit it, feel ashamed about it and react by lashing out as "Trolls". I truly sense that this is the REAL Problem with the Trolls!
Madonna said in her Tribute on this years MTV awards "Millions of women fell in love with him" and then she added "and lots of men too" and the audience applauded - remember that?
I think "Trolls" are actually Guys who have the HOTS for MJ and they Think they are Deflecting that, but in actuality they are Exposing their Lust for him by posting such venom. They aren't fooling anybody! They are CRAZY about him, too :P
haha that made me smile :D lol probably true too.
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This is all because of media brainwashing nothing to see with mental illness or disorder or whatever. The medias turn stories like they want, twist the truth, they lie it doesn't matter for them. Don't underestimate the power of medias. They're very dangerous and can destroy someone's life very fast. With all the crap they said on Michael they didn't manage to get him down because the truth always prevails. The fans are still there for him stronger than ever.
A lot of people are easily manipulated and believe everything they read or see on TV that's just as simple as that and it's available for everything not only Michael Jackson. I know persons who don't like Michael the person (but admit to love his songs) because of what they read on tabloids !! I just can't take it and each time it goes into an argument ! Well I don't know how to awake certain persons...
"The pen is mightier than the sword" goes an old proverb...
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To Sarahli...
"The pen is mightier than the sword" goes an old proverb...
We need to come up with a NEW Slogan to Counteract the *Pen* don't we?...
How About...
"The Enlightened are Mightier Than the Pen" or "The Truth is Mightier Than the Pen"...
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how about "the pen is mightier than the sword, until it runs out of ink..."
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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That won't work cause when the pen runs out of ink they just get a new one :cry:
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That won't work cause when the pen runs out of ink they just get a new one :cry:
cute, but that would mean they (with the pen) would need to retreat... he with the sword would win LOL
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That won't work cause when the pen runs out of ink they just get a new one :cry:
cute, but that would mean they (with the pen) would need to retreat... he with the sword would win LOL
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: have you seen the pics? MJ can handle a sword too LOL watch out now :lol: :lol: :lol:
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To Sarahli...
"The pen is mightier than the sword" goes an old proverb...
We need to come up with a NEW Slogan to Counteract the *Pen* don't we?...
How About...
"The Enlightened are Mightier Than the Pen" or "The Truth is Mightier Than the Pen"...
Yes good propositions. I like The Truth because this is what it's all about in this world full of lies written, printed, spoken and finally spread all around the world.
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I don't know any real haters but I have spoken to a few people who have mocked MJ about his looks, etc. and then, as soon as tickets for TII went on sale, these people were falling over themselves to buy them.
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To Sarahli...
"The pen is mightier than the sword" goes an old proverb...
We need to come up with a NEW Slogan to Counteract the *Pen* don't we?...
How About...
"The Enlightened are Mightier Than the Pen" or "The Truth is Mightier Than the Pen"...
Yes good propositions. I like The Truth because this is what it's all about in this world full of lies written, printed, spoken and finally spread all around the world.
well, then the truth is, in this world of lies, the writers no longer uses the pen anymore anyway...
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To Sarahli...
"The pen is mightier than the sword" goes an old proverb...
We need to come up with a NEW Slogan to Counteract the *Pen* don't we?...
How About...
"The Enlightened are Mightier Than the Pen" or "The Truth is Mightier Than the Pen"...
Yes good propositions. I like The Truth because this is what it's all about in this world full of lies written, printed, spoken and finally spread all around the world.
well, then the truth is, in this world of lies, the writers no longer uses the pen anymore anyway...
True. Many writers love using the PC. A bit off topic, but as an aspiring author, I love to do rough drafts of my stories in PEN and THEN type them on the PC. :lol:
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It's an old proverb I know it's not accurate nowadays but the pen is the most significant object to describe the act of writing and the power of words. Because with a pen you shape each letter yourself, with your hand, you are part of what you write.
"But with your pen
you torture men"
MJ
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It's an old proverb I know it's not accurate nowadays but the pen is the most significant object to describe the act of writing and the power of words. Because with a pen you shape each letter yourself, with your hand, you are part of what you write.
"But with your pen
you torture men"
MJ
you mean the proverb "pen is mightier than the sword"?
The first time I heard that, I think i was in High school and Mrs. Webb our old Art teacher told us to write about our opinions on it. :D
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It's an old proverb I know it's not accurate nowadays but the pen is the most significant object to describe the act of writing and the power of words. Because with a pen you shape each letter yourself, with your hand, you are part of what you write.
"But with your pen
you torture men"
MJ
you mean the proverb "pen is mightier than the sword"?
The first time I heard that, I think i was in High school and Mrs. Webb our old Art teacher told us to write about our opinions on it. :D
Yes I'm talking about this proverb and find it still up to date even if nowadays we use computers to write. The words are still the same and it's us who use them for good or evil purposes. I love to say that words have the meaning we give them.
Good thing that you had to write your thoughts about this proverb. I used to like these kind of homeworks when I was at school :).
I quoted Tabloid Junkie because Michael uses the word pen in it :)
God bless you.
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To Sarahli...
"The pen is mightier than the sword" goes an old proverb...
We need to come up with a NEW Slogan to Counteract the *Pen* don't we?...
How About...
"The Enlightened are Mightier Than the Pen" or "The Truth is Mightier Than the Pen"...
Yes good propositions. I like The Truth because this is what it's all about in this world full of lies written, printed, spoken and finally spread all around the world.
well, then the truth is, in this world of lies, the writers no longer uses the pen anymore anyway...
True. Many writers love using the PC. A bit off topic, but as an aspiring author, I love to do rough drafts of my stories in PEN and THEN type them on the PC. :lol:
as a writer myself, so do I :D sometimes I can look at my handwriting and see how I was feeling 8-) It's an old proverb I know it's not accurate nowadays but the pen is the most significant object to describe the act of writing and the power of words. Because with a pen you shape each letter yourself, with your hand, you are part of what you write.
"But with your pen
you torture men"
MJ
Very true. Even on a typed letter, the signature on the paper is what makes the letter sincere, and in other cases as well... :geek:
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It's an old proverb I know it's not accurate nowadays but the pen is the most significant object to describe the act of writing and the power of words. Because with a pen you shape each letter yourself, with your hand, you are part of what you write.
"But with your pen
you torture men"
MJ
you mean the proverb "pen is mightier than the sword"?
The first time I heard that, I think i was in High school and Mrs. Webb our old Art teacher told us to write about our opinions on it. :D
Yes I'm talking about this proverb and find it still up to date even if nowadays we use computers to write. The words are still the same and it's us who use them for good or evil purposes. I love to say that words have the meaning we give them.
Good thing that you had to write your thoughts about this proverb. I used to like these kind of homeworks when I was at school :).
I quoted Tabloid Junkie because Michael uses the word pen in it :)
God bless you.
Thanks. xD I love Tabloid Junkie.
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To Sarahli...
"The pen is mightier than the sword" goes an old proverb...
We need to come up with a NEW Slogan to Counteract the *Pen* don't we?...
How About...
"The Enlightened are Mightier Than the Pen" or "The Truth is Mightier Than the Pen"...
Yes good propositions. I like The Truth because this is what it's all about in this world full of lies written, printed, spoken and finally spread all around the world.
well, then the truth is, in this world of lies, the writers no longer uses the pen anymore anyway...
True. Many writers love using the PC. A bit off topic, but as an aspiring author, I love to do rough drafts of my stories in PEN and THEN type them on the PC. :lol:
as a writer myself, so do I :D sometimes I can look at my handwriting and see how I was feeling 8-) It's an old proverb I know it's not accurate nowadays but the pen is the most significant object to describe the act of writing and the power of words. Because with a pen you shape each letter yourself, with your hand, you are part of what you write.
"But with your pen
you torture men"
MJ
Very true. Even on a typed letter, the signature on the paper is what makes the letter sincere, and in other cases as well... :geek:
Oh yes. I always thought Snail mail letters seemed much more personal, IMO. :D :ugeek: :ugeek:
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Back to the topic, :idea:
I have often noticed this term "The Haters". What brought on this "Hate" of MJ? Did this hate exist prior to the False Allegations? Are Haters Primarily Male or are there Female Haters too? Does anybody here know a "hater" personally? If so; why do they hate him? (Is it simply due to his skin color change? or does it go deeper than that?) Are Haters people who are confused about their own sexuality and resent the fact that MJ's Androgynous Look turned them on? Any insights into this would be appreciated 'cause I just don't understand it :|
Alot of people don't like to hear this, and NO one mentioned it, yet, so...I'll tell you a story, one that you may or may not know, and then I'll expose a real cruel and deviant hater.
When MJ came out "BAD", dressed in studded leather and kind of biker-wear, to harden his SweetyPie image, the tabloids had him for dinner. Because of what we "know" about him, I'm not so sure that some of the press wasn't fueled by the Genius, himself---but when it got cruel and intimate, it was actually a real hater, instigating the rest of it. I wasn't there, but this is the story: read it and weep, as I did, from sheer RAGE.
The tour kicked off in Japan, and the papers said that MJ's show was SO risque' for the properly polite Japanese, that, when the parents discovered Jackson Gyrating in "bondage-wear", they covered their childrens' eyes in horror and left the show.Every night he was in town somewhere, they cut him and ridiculed him. They said every song sucked. This was years prior to the police getting into the manly :roll: "sport "of Michael-hunting. The only thing missing was REAL dogs.
By the time our :D Bad Boy got to England, the media (radio! and papers) were cutting one of the most beautiful songs EVER written, his new single (IJCSLY) to ribbons. Not certain which came first---maybe the record was released prior to the tour. They made fun of "sappy" lyrics and his voice and everything they could think of. It was SO cruel and hurtful to such a sensitive, talented, GIVING, young artist.
Anyway, This cut had that sexy rap at the beginning. 8-) Nothing dirty. But TOO much tenderness for the worthless cruel IGNORANT world. TOO MUCH INNOCENT LOVE, all on display. [IMO, casting his pearls before swine, but MJ, THANK YOU SO MUCH for having the guts to give this to us. Sweetness like this doesn't come easily from men's lips, because they are too busy ridiculing one another ("whipped") and being "cool" (WAY foolish ;) ). That rap is one of the most precious things I ever :D :D heard, in ANY book or movie or song.
Things got SO "BAD" the radio station(s?) were GIVING the record away in boxes, thinking that the concert wouldn't draw a crowd unless they gave stuff away with his handsome picture on it to distract from the no-talent worthless song. They actually said that they'd rope the girls in with his looks and before they knew he couldn't sing his way out of a paper sack, :shock: :o the money would be raked in and deposited and the concert would just be a bad memory for everyone.
All I could think when I read this was that they must've been under their rock, all the time MJ was making chicks swoon and headlining with his brothers for two decades. Or...the Hate was already in full boil even in Europe.
I can't even imagine what this did to Michael Jackson's confidence. They were going for his heart, nothing less; not to win it, but to razor it out of his body. Such vehemence! Such disrespect. Such cruelty.
But he never let on that it fazed him one bit!!!
THAT made them try even harder to break him. It was a challenge to bring him to his knees, crying. Bullying isn't NEW. Any time someone SHINES as too good to be true, the do nothings are compelled to step up. They relentlessly badgered him and his associates regarding his personal convictions about abstaining from sex until marriage. Such crass, crude cruelty over his movements on stage and wagering on when It will happen that he falls into bed with someone, I can't even IMAGINE getting through censors that long ago.
You know? MJ practically never PREACHED outright to folks, and so they thought it was all hype from his promoters that he was ACTUALLY religious. He ALWAYs led by example, something which seems to have gone way over the heads of alot of people, who chose to ignore what they saw, or rather NEVER saw: MJ as a rounder.
The hate about this subject came to a head even before the "Bad" era, and along with it all the homo innuendo. Women who wanted a piece of THAT were offended at his artless oblivion, seeming to make fools of them...hence, he "MUST not even LIKE girls..." It was not that he had no EYES, or a clue---he just was not into hounds. He knew early early on, that he didn't want or need to accept what was handed him. HE would TAKE what he wanted. BY choice. Where and when.
To answer your questions about haters, we can distill it down to ONE dynamic. Fear. Always. Anyone with eyes, knew MJ was a heartbreaker and a money maker. The media was angry that his personal business was none of theirs. They were angry that there was all this promise of SEX and HEAT, and NO story there. :roll: Not only THAT, but, by his example of self control amongst all the temptations afforded other huge celebrities, he inadvertently shamed all the others who freely indulged. (Even people who think nothing of it, i.e., not a sin or anyhow wrong, take offense at someone showing them up with even a rumor of more self-possession and control.)
(It is a psychological fact, that everyone compares themselves with everyone else. And those who ARE doing something--ANYthing, name it, drinking, drugs, sex, pilfering from work, lying, GOSSIPING------take offense :o at those who DECIDE they "won't, right now" and take steps to divide company, and take pot shots at the "different one". It's not that you aren't drinking because you have to walk home and you don't want to be that vulnerable on the street at night. It IS that YOU seem to have taken possession of your own WILL, which makes everyone feel like a slacker, and "get their dander up", through NO intent of your own.)
Women :? who did everything but beg for it, felt ashamed at having to try so hard. They felt "played", by his charm and felt stupid to have misunderstood SO badly, that he wasn't offering what they thought.
People who took a shot at him, were afraid of him, because he didn't fall down when they punched him. No matter how dirty or hard. All's fair, even a bashir sucker-punch special.
Guys who were undemonstrative, or, unimaginative, getting girls, felt embarrassed and shamed by his freely expressing Love and Tenderness, and turning THEIR girls' heads. Fear of being uncool, putting their OWN hearts on the line, and fear of losing what they have because they won't and MJ will. Feeling threatened.
He was doing things RIGHT, which no one else had thought of or, had the ...guts...to do, and
god forbid if he's all that and Black. :o :o :evil:
Some can say whatever they want about Michael Jackson and religion. You can TRY to divide him from the place Jesus Christ held in his esteem and admiration, even though EVERYthing he does has some scripture backing it up. (Did you know the song "2Bad" is even in the bible?? AND so called "crotch-grabbing"? and dancing your heart out, and giving all you have, and taking dominion over the the earth and Life? and doing good and healing...)
But this is the Truth: :) to the pure, all things are pure. To the evil, all things are suspect. MJ viewed Life with the purest lens until he was force-fed a wake up call. He acted like he actually believed he could sing to any color gal he wanted to (he most certainly CAN, WE know this :!: Anytime :!: :D )as if prejudice had evaporated. :?
Naw...it just took its evil head and putrid ideology underground.To strike at a more opportune time...
The fact is, there IS a real enemy of man. This is what causes hate. The original hater. Believe it or not. I didn't invent this. I'm not "giving you a lesson in religion". I'm giving you Love. Please open your heart and see if I am not telling the truth. I don't have the luxury of showing you by example. You don't know me from anyone. I need to TELL you.
He's the cruelest of personalities, whispering lies into every human, here, at one time or another. He IS a personality, not a force, as, a "force", such as electricity, cannot harbor hate. It is personal. We have bodies and he does not. Everything he does to turn things his corrupt way, is by rumor, innuendo, speculation, suggestion, and outright untruth. The media is but a baby step-child to this monster who hates on purpose, with strategy you can't imagine. This "thing" HATES us. But not as much as it hated Michael Jackson, who was peacefully kicking in doors and busting up walls all over the earth, oozing Love from every pore....
He HATES anyone who DARES to pick themselves up by their own bootstraps and actually MAKE something of their life and talent. He hates the human being's ability to have whatever they decree and work towards. He ESPECIALLY hates someone who discovers how to use his gifts to help others "get it", also. His plan is 'every man for himself and blow the others off.'
He will disrupt and derail unselfishness and peace, every chance we give him. And part of what he does BEST, is divide people, keeping them so busy in fear that they fight all the time and accomplish nothing in the name of Love.
When Michael Jackson came along speaking about Love (capital "L"), he meant GOD. Ask him. God IS Love. He doesn't DO love, He IS it. The evil one is NO way in hell just going to stand back and let Love direct the affairs of Men again. We have to do it on purpose pushing past him. He loves it when we fight each other, because there goes MJ's TOTAL message of how to take this planet by the shoulders and shake people awake. He loves it when we waste our time and lives on ourselves instead of what needs to be done, First.
Yeah, the world system is very sick and evil. But nobody cares WHAT you know, until they know you care about them. They DON'T know without action. Not only hugs, but hard work. Deferring to others' preference, sometimes. PUTTING off selfishness. Being pro-actively kind and considerate. It won't go by itself. We can't fake it. :?
Look at what MJ DID with both handsful of pure Love, straight from the heart. The evil one is especially hateful of someone who can FOCUS seas of people. This kind of hate is instigated by monstrous possessive fear, whispered into the ears of men who were first promised by this same evil, that perhaps THEY are the rightful owners of such power. It is fear that MJ has usurped them. While they were wishing, he was doing... 8-) Man!
All the things others have mentioned have their root in fear. But, Guess What? Perfect(not a mixture of like and dislike!)) Love casts OUT fear. :lol: Just sayin. :| Just answering the OP. ;)
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The following is a column that was published in my local newspaper Sunday, July 5, 2009. After reading it, in that moment, I felt my hometown was "the skunk of the world". This was before I had any idea that Michael had hoaxed his death. This article just added to the heartbreak of his "passing". I felt anger towards the writer, I was embarrassed for her, and ashamed for and of her. The fact that the newspaper would print such vitriolic garbage was inconceivable to me. What was clear was that the author was a bonafide MJ hater.
"Masks", by Adele Elliot
It is said that by age 50 we have the face we deserve. For most of us that is a reflection of life and experience.
At middle age, we can polish that face with a smile or, for women, a bit of lipstick and blush. However, except for extreme plastic surgery (and excluding the picture of Dorian Gray), we are pretty much forced to wear the results of the life we lived. Events and emotions of our past are etched around our eyes and impossible to hide with anything offered at the cosmetic counter.
These last two weeks we have been forced to see Michael Jackson's garish face ad nauseam. Television seems to be all Michael, all the time. Throughout the country fans are wailing, in the throes of inconsolable grief over the death of an (alleged) pedophile. Why?
He is being lauded for dance steps and music videos. He had talent, to be sure. But, in my mind, he will always be a monster who was accused of abusing children. From "innocently sleeping with little children" to dangling his own (?) progeny from a balcony, this man was vile.
Historically, evil outlives good in human memory. Does anyone remember that Hitler was a painter? Did you know that Charles Manson was a musician and wrote songs that are still performed by Guns N' Roses? Probably not.
My friend, Karen Berger, writes from New Orleans, "I believe Michael Jackson is responsible for young men walking around all the time with their hands on their crotch. He introduced America to this by doing it to himself while dancing."
But, this column is not really about a has-been pop star and the circus that surrounds his death. His eulogy will be written by better scribes than I.
My real concern is why we let people get away with such wickedness. It appears that we are blinded by fame or wealth or status. Why are some acts criminal only for some people? If a local child were molested by a trench coat-wearing stranger at the Riverwalk, the citizens of Columbus would be relentless in our search for the offender. Why is it different when malevolence wears glitzy clothes and picks that child up in a stretch limo?
And why do we cover up and excuse horrifying behavior in those who should be role models?
A few years ago, in New Orleans, there was the sensational case of Boy Scout Troop leaders abusing the scouts on campouts. For decades, the Catholic Church reassigned pedophile priests, covering their tracks and horrific actions. Sometimes very sick people choose honorable professions, like coaching and education, based on proximity to children. Often, they get away with it for a very long time.
The idea of blind justice is a farce. She peeks from beneath that blindfold, modifying her verdict based on the prominence and affluence of the accused. Those who have the right connections and the right clothes appear to be immune to retribution.
I truly believe that Michael Jackson hated himself. The well-published defenses of his actions do not ring true in the knowledge that he paid vast sums of money to his victims. (As did the Catholic Church.)
But, my theory of his self-loathing is based primarily on his face. With multiple cosmetic surgeries he transformed a relatively nice face into a horror movie-type man/woman mask. We must wonder what he really saw when he looked at "the man in the mirror"?
For the rest of us, I suppose we should learn to love those little lines, they tell much about our journey. We might try, however, to peek behind the masks of others. Not all monsters have faces that are bleached and terrifyingly distorted like the late, and very talented, Mr. Jackson.
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I have a friend who is a disliker not hater and it is because she believes what she reads and when the baby dangling over the balcony happened she went mad I said he had a strong grip and it was for a few secs we have had a few rows about him I think it is all misstrust and jealousy they can't believe anyone is that honest giving and kind without an agenda
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The following is a column that was published in my local newspaper Sunday, July 5, 2009. After reading it, in that moment, I felt my hometown was "the skunk of the world". This was before I had any idea that Michael had hoaxed his death. This article just added to the heartbreak of his "passing". I felt anger towards the writer, I was embarrassed for her, and ashamed for and of her. The fact that the newspaper would print such vitriolic garbage was inconceivable to me. What was clear was that the author was a bonafide MJ hater.
"Masks", by Adele Elliot
It is said that by age 50 we have the face we deserve. For most of us that is a reflection of life and experience.
At middle age, we can polish that face with a smile or, for women, a bit of lipstick and blush. However, except for extreme plastic surgery (and excluding the picture of Dorian Gray), we are pretty much forced to wear the results of the life we lived. Events and emotions of our past are etched around our eyes and impossible to hide with anything offered at the cosmetic counter.
These last two weeks we have been forced to see Michael Jackson's garish face ad nauseam. Television seems to be all Michael, all the time. Throughout the country fans are wailing, in the throes of inconsolable grief over the death of an (alleged) pedophile. Why?
He is being lauded for dance steps and music videos. He had talent, to be sure. But, in my mind, he will always be a monster who was accused of abusing children. From "innocently sleeping with little children" to dangling his own (?) progeny from a balcony, this man was vile.
Historically, evil outlives good in human memory. Does anyone remember that Hitler was a painter? Did you know that Charles Manson was a musician and wrote songs that are still performed by Guns N' Roses? Probably not.
My friend, Karen Berger, writes from New Orleans, "I believe Michael Jackson is responsible for young men walking around all the time with their hands on their crotch. He introduced America to this by doing it to himself while dancing."
But, this column is not really about a has-been pop star and the circus that surrounds his death. His eulogy will be written by better scribes than I.
My real concern is why we let people get away with such wickedness. It appears that we are blinded by fame or wealth or status. Why are some acts criminal only for some people? If a local child were molested by a trench coat-wearing stranger at the Riverwalk, the citizens of Columbus would be relentless in our search for the offender. Why is it different when malevolence wears glitzy clothes and picks that child up in a stretch limo?
And why do we cover up and excuse horrifying behavior in those who should be role models?
A few years ago, in New Orleans, there was the sensational case of Boy Scout Troop leaders abusing the scouts on campouts. For decades, the Catholic Church reassigned pedophile priests, covering their tracks and horrific actions. Sometimes very sick people choose honorable professions, like coaching and education, based on proximity to children. Often, they get away with it for a very long time.
The idea of blind justice is a farce. She peeks from beneath that blindfold, modifying her verdict based on the prominence and affluence of the accused. Those who have the right connections and the right clothes appear to be immune to retribution.
I truly believe that Michael Jackson hated himself. The well-published defenses of his actions do not ring true in the knowledge that he paid vast sums of money to his victims. (As did the Catholic Church.)
But, my theory of his self-loathing is based primarily on his face. With multiple cosmetic surgeries he transformed a relatively nice face into a horror movie-type man/woman mask. We must wonder what he really saw when he looked at "the man in the mirror"?
For the rest of us, I suppose we should learn to love those little lines, they tell much about our journey. We might try, however, to peek behind the masks of others. Not all monsters have faces that are bleached and terrifyingly distorted like the late, and very talented, Mr. Jackson.
Angel, this was vile. My Newspaper (Washington Post) made a snide comment too about "how long is this Circus going to last" after he died and I cancel my subscription. It sounds like you live in San Antonio, TX (Riverwalk?)
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The following is a column that was published in my local newspaper Sunday, July 5, 2009. After reading it, in that moment, I felt my hometown was "the skunk of the world". This was before I had any idea that Michael had hoaxed his death. This article just added to the heartbreak of his "passing". I felt anger towards the writer, I was embarrassed for her, and ashamed for and of her. The fact that the newspaper would print such vitriolic garbage was inconceivable to me. What was clear was that the author was a bonafide MJ hater.
"Masks", by Adele Elliot
It is said that by age 50 we have the face we deserve. For most of us that is a reflection of life and experience.
At middle age, we can polish that face with a smile or, for women, a bit of lipstick and blush. However, except for extreme plastic surgery (and excluding the picture of Dorian Gray), we are pretty much forced to wear the results of the life we lived. Events and emotions of our past are etched around our eyes and impossible to hide with anything offered at the cosmetic counter...
(Edited here. No point in repeating it again---such hate, in its entirety)
... For the rest of us, I suppose we should learn to love those little lines, they tell much about our journey. We might try, however, to peek behind the masks of others.
Not all monsters
have faces that are bleached and terrifyingly distorted like....
Suffice it to say, someone so bitter, herself over middle age and the face SHE ended up with, would better spend her time duct-taping her poison tongue. As I said, To the pure, all things are imagined pure...the perverse can't see anything BUT the imagined perverse.
How soon she forgets that people who are tortured in life, such as orphans, or the malnourished, neglected or unappreciated; and those who give their entire lives in service to others having a hard time (think Mother Theresa), look worn and old before their natural time, through NO fault of their own. To presume someone is evil by the lines on their skin, and by tint as well, is just showing her TRUE ignorant colors.
I'm wondering why she finds it so hard to believe HIS innocence. It would take a minute to locate enough accolades about Michael Jackson's consideration and thoughtfulness towards hurting and sickly children WORLDWIDE, to shame her speechless. What is in HER closet, that makes this concept so foreign to her? It almost sounds as if she is resentful, because she seemed think he got away with something she didn't...AND she seems resentful at having to be stuck ("forced", she said) to wearing HER face.
I'd LOVE to give THIS (out of her own mouth) "MONSTER" a piece of the TRUTH (and my mind :o ), but....alas, her dirty eyes would prevent her seeing that, as well. Well, evil has its own reward. People like that will probably burst something (instead of being joyful) when MJ appears ALIVE and glowing again... To be (she said) 50, old, ugly on the outside AND inside, AND unable to enjoy Mikey?? Too sad for her. But that's what hate does to you. :(
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I think people are Haters because they wish they had something the person who is on the receiving end of their hate has. It's all about jealousy and envy and the person who is doing the hating not being happy with themselves. I think Haters are people who are ignorant. If you are happy with yourself, and you stay focused on God's plan for your life you don't have the time nor the desire to be a Hater. You will be focused on making a difference in life and uplifting people like MJ wanted to do.
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Well, I plan to look for a picture of this "Adele Elliot" of (I think) San Antonio, TX and post it so we can critique her face and suggest what cosmetic procedures might benefit her. If she is a journalist for a newspaper there has to be a pic of her somewhere...but for now I think she needs an Attitude Transplant....
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I think people are Haters because they wish they had something the person who is on the receiving end of their hate has. It's all about jealousy and envy and the person who is doing the hating not being happy with themselves. I think Haters are people who are ignorant. If you are happy with yourself, and you stay focused on God's plan for your life you don't have the time nor the desire to be a Hater. You will be focused on making a difference in life and uplifting people like MJ wanted to do.
I agree with you here, and also I believe MJ has an Emotional Effect on people (obviously - by the way his "death" affected so many who never acknowledged him while he was alive!) Some people (especially men) are emotionally suppressed. People who try to mask (or deny) their emotional responses are put off or confused by MJ's effect on them, so they rebel against this by expressing hate & resentment.
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@Good Lets Dance, sorry I took so long to get back to you...very busy week. No, I am not in San Antonio, I live in Columbus, MS. My newspaper is the Commercial Dispatch. There is a footnote along with every column by Ms. Elliot which reads, "Adele Elliot, a New Orleans native, moved to Columbus after Hurricane Katrina. E-mail reaches her at You are not allowed to view links.
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i just thought i would mention.....
ignorance............often breeds ...fear....in people
what you dont or cant .......understand........makes you feel afraid.....
what many saw was.
micheal was a man,who was hugely talented,hugely popular,hugely rich,hugely different.
so they are envious to start with of his....success,wealth,talent.
they know they will never be like him....so they feel angry
they dont know micheal and dont bother to know him......its a vicious circle.........hope i have made myself clear.. :D :D :D :D
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AND THIS IS MY COMMENT TO THE HATERS ABOUT MICHEAL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: