Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: MO_1219 on April 15, 2010, 11:00:09 PM
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Don't know this had been post or not :D
The LA LOGO is old one!?
[youtube:306zgb5w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL6Ob4fOOpI&playnext_from=TL&videos=4V77vtQnqUo[/youtube:306zgb5w]
[youtube:306zgb5w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3svFnpD-fgI&playnext_from=TL&videos=yS4WvhZ2llw[/youtube:306zgb5w]
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OMG!!!!!! :o :P
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Don't know this had been post or not :D
The LA LOGO is old one!?
[youtube:3ivsfpis]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL6Ob4fOOpI&playnext_from=TL&videos=4V77vtQnqUo[/youtube:3ivsfpis]
[youtube:3ivsfpis]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3svFnpD-fgI&playnext_from=TL&videos=yS4WvhZ2llw[/youtube:3ivsfpis]
It's a logo. That's all it is. It doesn't change the validity of a report.
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Yes, it's been posted before but thank you for bringing this up again. It is just a logo but what I find interesting is that it's several years old. One would think that it would have been totally replaced by now with the new one. Thanks.
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if the seal is old and dated, it does take away it's authenticity because it isn't up to date.
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if the seal is old and dated, it does take away it's authenticity because it isn't up to date.
I think you might draw the wrong conclusion here. WHY would they use and old seal/stationary for most likely one of their most important and loaded autopsy reports ever?
Back in August the coroners office released a WORD document WITHOUT any letterhead/logo/seal in which they state that manner of death has been ruled homicide, and then in February they release an autopsy report with an old seal. Sorry, but I'm not buying this kind of "sloppiness".
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I have studied about CI system, I think that a (VI)LOGO is so important for a organization. :lol:
and I find that the old LOGO did not use after 2004, so why it appear in a 2009 autopsy :lol:
LA gov is so careless? OMG XD
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I have studied about CI system, I think that a (VI)LOGO is so important for a organization. :lol:
and I find that the old LOGO did not use after 2004, so why it appear in a 2009 autopsy :lol:
LA gov is so careless? OMG XD
So if the LOGO is from 2004 and before that, do you think the "date" is significant dates always seem to have a part to play in all of this, and of course 2004 is before the "trial" 2005? Do you see where I am going with this? :oops: :?
Everything seems to be to do with period around 2005?
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The old seal is also on Patrick Swayze's death certificate. It's huge so I'll just link instead of trying to post it - http://www.starmagazine.com/media/origi ... _Cert2.jpg (http://www.starmagazine.com/media/originals/Swayze_Death_Cert2.jpg)
Also there's this:
Re: TIAI coroner again
Postby let me speak » Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:12 am
bad news guys!!! from page 41 onward they use the correct seal,.
did some researching and here's what i found: there are two seals in use, though the old seal was replaced in 2004 with the new one, it appears that they are still both in use, i've seen an autopsy report from 2008 and it's still the old seal
sorry!!!!!!
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Here i have found the Homepage from the LA Coroner....does they allways use the old seal ?
http://coroner.co.la.ca.us/lacoronr.htm (http://coroner.co.la.ca.us/lacoronr.htm)
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Here i have found the Homepage from the LA Coroner....does they allways use the old seal ?
http://coroner.co.la.ca.us/lacoronr.htm (http://coroner.co.la.ca.us/lacoronr.htm)
I did some research into this a while back. The seal on MJ's death cert (yes I realize the topic is the autopsy report but anyways..) is the old one as is Patrick Swayze's. But MJ's page 2 of 2 that was printed on Jan 8 2010 has the new one. Brittany Murphy, Casey Johnson, and Marie Osmond's son all have the new seal on their DCs.
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I am a little bit confused...
here the second side from the coroner with the new seal.... :o
http://coroner.lacounty.gov/htm/Coroner_Home.htm (http://coroner.lacounty.gov/htm/Coroner_Home.htm)
I have not the time...sadly, it will be interesting to look deeper...but i have to work.
Only the first i saw in the first look.
The phone number in this second homepage was not the same.
On the first page they put the phone number that was on the secone page only for sundays and holidays and outside the normal business times.
On the first side there where two more adresses in Sylmar and Lancaster...
I must see ...later... :(
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the death certificate is not valid imo, because wasn't originally signed by a doctor, but by latoya. even if they used the right seal there.
for the autopsy report, i don't see why they would use two different seals (not 'just a logo', it's their official seal!) on the autospy report of one person. it has to be continous in an official paper like that, no matter if they still use the old one. it should be consistent, i totally go with mo here, i'm not buying the sloppiness.
it is highly unusual to be using two different seals from the same institution on one document or case. that would make it legally invalid here in germany. because the minute the new seal is used, the old one becomes automatically invalid, so people can't mess with that. there is no way that two seals would be used at the same time.
i have not seen a document in this case yet that appears legally valid to me.
waiting... :mrgreen:
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It goes round through my head...
I don't knwo how it is in USA...here in germany when a physician works at a pathologic institute, he only work there...they had enough to do, so i think it was also in LA....they don't have less autopsies i believe.
So i look after the Chief Medical Examiner Coroner Lakshamanan Sathyavagiswaran M.D. and i only can find him in Arcadia Californien. Has he a praxis there or what ? Why he was not most found in combination with the Coroner ?
http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_s ... d-16c70901 (http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_search/physician/profiles/dr-md-reports/dr-lakshmanan-sathyavagiswaran-md-16c70901)
http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Lakshm ... waran.html (http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Lakshmanan_Sathyavagiswaran.html)
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the death certificate is not valid imo, because wasn't originally signed by a doctor, but by latoya. even if they used the right seal there.
for the autopsy report, i don't see why they would use two different seals (not 'just a logo', it's their official seal!) on the autospy report of one person. it has to be continous in an official paper like that, no matter if they still use the old one. it should be consistent, i totally go with mo here, i'm not buying the sloppiness.
it is highly unusual to be using two different seals from the same institution on one document or case. that would make it legally invalid here in germany. because the minute the new seal is used, the old one becomes automatically invalid, so people can't mess with that. there is no way that two seals would be used at the same time.
i have not seen a document in this case yet that appears legally valid to me.
waiting... :mrgreen:
I agree that it's totally weird to use two different seals on the whole case report/autopsy report. It makes absolutely no sense. It irks me that things can be considered legally binding even when they're wrong - even something as simple as spelling errors. My god if you're going to be submitting a document as evidence, can't you at least take the time to spell check/proofread? Even worse is that the EKG that came out could still hold up in court even if the time was set wrong on the AED. That's really insanely stupid in my opinion. Times and dates are so vital especially in a possible murder case. :?
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if the seal is old and dated, it does take away it's authenticity because it isn't up to date.
your sig is just GREAT! :lol:
i still think that a new seal makes the old one invalid automatically. they are not supposed to use an old seal for that exact reason: so nobody can fake docs like that or mess with the seals. what sense would it make then to have a new seal when you can still use an old one?
plus, something else i posted on another thread: where is the form-id-number? all forms have an 'id' somewhere, there is none on any of the pages i saw. or a barcode, something. did anyone see a form-id?
when you check forms on the lafd-page, each document has an id-number (f-1234, something), this autopsy report doesn't. but i haven't read all 50-something pages, so i might have missed that...(don't think so, tho!)
:mrgreen:
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At the Jackson autopsie Information Sources :
1. Detective W.Porche......i only found this name ( firstname only the short W.?) in this document.
2.Detective S. Smith ..... again...only in this document
Here is a real autopsie report :
http://www.sgmt.at/PILOT/Ogger%20Coroner%20Report.pdf (http://www.sgmt.at/PILOT/Ogger%20Coroner%20Report.pdf)
The 1.side Case Report...please take a look
....it seems to be written by the same.
The Number 1 left on the top is different !
What is Crypt ? under the case number ? The real one has there a number, the one from Michael S.C.
No person to indentify at Michael, only the Drivers Licence....
No one scar noticed at Michael....at the real one the scars are noticed.
Michael Josephs Reprot seems to be a copy....at the original report you see the lines...not lines on Michael's.
The real report use a different time ...i don't know how to explain...they write time 15:58, not 3:58 in the report from this other person.
At Michael's report the time was 04:33, not 16:33.
Death time at Michael 14:26 ? Not 2:26 ? I am confused...
At the top they wrote Apparent Mode : Accident / Natural at Michaels Report !
A few lines under it :
LAPD Robbery Homicide Division -Det SCO with phone number.
http://www.lapdonline.org/detective_bur ... _view/6262 (http://www.lapdonline.org/detective_bureau/content_basic_view/6262)
At the Top accident/Natural and then Homicide ?
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Good point about the identification number for the actual form! Most legal if not all legal documents usually have this right!! Good catch. We need to research further, anybody heard from the coroner's office on this? Somebody should email them about the form id number! See what responses we get. ;) The seal issue I am still a bit confused on, ,but it really does seem like they would be consistent with the new seal right? I mean what is the purpose of replacing the old with the new if your still gonna use the old one right????
Maybe we should check to see if there are any other states that have changed seals? And if so,,, are they still using the old and the new together? This info would shed some light on things.
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Maybe someone can do the research. Do government agencies officially retitre logos, seals and such. Do they need to officially requisition new logos, seals, etc. One Love.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_Lo ... California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_Los_Angeles_County,_California)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/carol1219/Los_Angeles_County_California_seal_.png)
Second seal. (1957-2004)
MAY BE MJ "DIE" BEFORE 2004 XDDDDD :lol:
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The old seal is also on Patrick Swayze's death certificate. It's huge so I'll just link instead of trying to post it - http://www.starmagazine.com/media/origi ... _Cert2.jpg (http://www.starmagazine.com/media/originals/Swayze_Death_Cert2.jpg)
Also there's this:
Re: TIAI coroner again
Postby let me speak » Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:12 am
bad news guys!!! from page 41 onward they use the correct seal,.
did some researching and here's what i found: there are two seals in use, though the old seal was replaced in 2004 with the new one, it appears that they are still both in use, i've seen an autopsy report from 2008 and it's still the old seal
sorry!!!!!!
A "seal" and a logo are two different things.
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It goes round through my head...
I don't knwo how it is in USA...here in germany when a physician works at a pathologic institute, he only work there...they had enough to do, so i think it was also in LA....they don't have less autopsies i believe.
So i look after the Chief Medical Examiner Coroner Lakshamanan Sathyavagiswaran M.D. and i only can find him in Arcadia Californien. Has he a praxis there or what ? Why he was not most found in combination with the Coroner ?
http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_s ... d-16c70901 (http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_search/physician/profiles/dr-md-reports/dr-lakshmanan-sathyavagiswaran-md-16c70901)
http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Lakshm ... waran.html (http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Lakshmanan_Sathyavagiswaran.html)
You can look up all the physicians at the http://www.ca.gov/ (http://www.ca.gov/) website. They are all there.
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At the Jackson autopsie Information Sources :
1. Detective W.Porche......i only found this name ( firstname only the short W.?) in this document.
2.Detective S. Smith ..... again...only in this document
Here is a real autopsie report :
http://www.sgmt.at/PILOT/Ogger%20Coroner%20Report.pdf (http://www.sgmt.at/PILOT/Ogger%20Coroner%20Report.pdf)
The 1.side Case Report...please take a look
....it seems to be written by the same.
The Number 1 left on the top is different !
What is Crypt ? under the case number ? The real one has there a number, the one from Michael S.C.
No person to indentify at Michael, only the Drivers Licence....
No one scar noticed at Michael....at the real one the scars are noticed.
Michael Josephs Reprot seems to be a copy....at the original report you see the lines...not lines on Michael's.
The real report use a different time ...i don't know how to explain...they write time 15:58, not 3:58 in the report from this other person.
At Michael's report the time was 04:33, not 16:33.
Death time at Michael 14:26 ? Not 2:26 ? I am confused...
At the top they wrote Apparent Mode : Accident / Natural at Michaels Report !
A few lines under it :
LAPD Robbery Homicide Division -Det SCO with phone number.
http://www.lapdonline.org/detective_bur ... _view/6262 (http://www.lapdonline.org/detective_bureau/content_basic_view/6262)
At the Top accident/Natural and then Homicide ?
At Michael's report the time was 04:33, not 16:33..
You see 4:33 on one of the reports. Michael Jackson or the other report. I do not see that anywhere on either report. Which page is it on?
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Here is a autopsie report from LA from 2007. At page 7 you see the Case Report :
http://www.sgmt.at/PILOT/Ogger%20Coroner%20Report.pdf (http://www.sgmt.at/PILOT/Ogger%20Coroner%20Report.pdf)
It's the same side like here from Michael Joseph Jackson.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... kson1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html)
In the USA you use AM and PM time.
7:00 PM is like 19:00 and so on.
The ...i hope... real autopsie report from the men from 2007, the coroner use not the USA time.
He was found at 12:15
Dead on 12:15
At Coroner at 16:15
Report ready next day at 15:58 and 18:52.
So they had not to wright AM or PM, the time is claer.
Michael Joseph Jackson's Report has a difference here :
Dead on 14:26
Ar Coroner at 18:50
Report ready at 04:33 ???? I don't think so...that was at night, i thought there must be 16:33.
Please take a look at these tweo sides...ones from Michael Joseph, once from an unknown men.
The formula from Michael Joseph's report look's like a copy....most look like the same...writting art ...
But at the unknown men was every scar on this side.....at Michaels report it seems like there are some lines lost.
Also you don't find the lines on the sheet.
I found more then this regular report and i could allways see this lines.
California Drivers Licence has identify him...oh yes....
At the top Accident/Natural Death ...
Allways there was : all natural teeth written...but in the report there are noticed he has implantats.
If i look closer i am sure i found a lot more....but the language is my limit...i can understand but not write then i lost the words...
It's so easy to find it can't be ....when then wanted us to believe that he was dead....why not all regular and believable ?
That would be so much easier for both sides....so why....
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thsi has been discussed before.. and what i remember of that is that they did change seals but the old wone is stil in use. im sure you can find the thread here or on "the other forum".
here are some
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=5460&p=93743&hilit=old+seal#p93743 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=5460&p=93743&hilit=old+seal#p93743)
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=5676&p=90590&hilit=old+seal#p90590 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=5676&p=90590&hilit=old+seal#p90590)
search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=old+seal&start=100 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=old+seal&start=100)
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I saw this video before, but thanks again for sharing :) I forgot about it
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Here is a autopsie report from LA from 2007. At page 7 you see the Case Report :
http://www.sgmt.at/PILOT/Ogger%20Coroner%20Report.pdf (http://www.sgmt.at/PILOT/Ogger%20Coroner%20Report.pdf)
It's the same side like here from Michael Joseph Jackson.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... kson1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html)
In the USA you use AM and PM time.
7:00 PM is like 19:00 and so on.
The ...i hope... real autopsie report from the men from 2007, the coroner use not the USA time.
He was found at 12:15
Dead on 12:15
At Coroner at 16:15
Report ready next day at 15:58 and 18:52.
So they had not to wright AM or PM, the time is claer.
Michael Joseph Jackson's Report has a difference here :
Dead on 14:26
Ar Coroner at 18:50
Report ready at 04:33 ???? I don't think so...that was at night, i thought there must be 16:33.
Please take a look at these tweo sides...ones from Michael Joseph, once from an unknown men.
The formula from Michael Joseph's report look's like a copy....most look like the same...writting art ...
But at the unknown men was every scar on this side.....at Michaels report it seems like there are some lines lost.
Also you don't find the lines on the sheet.
I found more then this regular report and i could allways see this lines.
California Drivers Licence has identify him...oh yes....
At the top Accident/Natural Death ...
Allways there was : all natural teeth written...but in the report there are noticed he has implantats.
If i look closer i am sure i found a lot more....but the language is my limit...i can understand but not write then i lost the words...
It's so easy to find it can't be ....when then wanted us to believe that he was dead....why not all regular and believable ?
That would be so much easier for both sides....so why....
Okay I found it. Thank you. the time of 4:33 in on June 26 not June 25. That's why it wasn't earlier than arriving at the cornoners office. It was the next day. Sorry :|
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The logos/seals make no difference that I can see. In fact, I would bet that the government could use a logo/seal from a 100 years ago if they really wanted to. Why would that matter? It doesn't change the validity. It is the same state, county, city and country in both cases, nothing changed but some graphics on a piece of paper.
Consider this: in most governmental paperwork changes, people are instructed to use of supply that is already in circulation. Like if the post office changes the size of the flat rate envelope they will still accept the old size until supplies are exhausted. It would not make very good economical sense to throw out all the stationery with that logo on it.
Corporations do care about logos because they have something to prove (sarcastically said..lol) the government don't.
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Here is a autopsie report from LA from 2007. At page 7 you see the Case Report :
http://www.sgmt.at/PILOT/Ogger%20Coroner%20Report.pdf (http://www.sgmt.at/PILOT/Ogger%20Coroner%20Report.pdf)
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(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/carol1219/Clip_9-1.jpg)
your PDF file LA logo is NEW one!!!!!!!!!!!!!2007 repoetsXD~~before2004