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Title: Mikes mug shot
Post by: Steph16 on April 12, 2010, 06:10:08 AM
I just read a thread on doubles where quite a few people were saying the mug shot looked nothing like mike. I just though I would leave my input here.

About 90% of the time we have seen mike he has been in full makeup with His hair done ect. If the police took you out of your house when you were maybe just watching tv or working or playing with the kids and took you to the station where you had a mug shot taken, I'm pretty sure no one would look much like what everyone is used to when that person goes out fully made up.
If you look at the face structure and shape of the nose, mouth, eyes it is clearly mike.

If you disagree then could you please post why because I'm quite interested to know (genuinely). :)

xxx

p.s. Here are a few examples of not-so-good mug shots

http://www.justicejunction.com/Assets/bleethmugshot.JPG (http://www.justicejunction.com/Assets/bleethmugshot.JPG)
http://z.about.com/d/crime/1/0/x/6/campbellg.jpg (http://z.about.com/d/crime/1/0/x/6/campbellg.jpg)
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: DancingTheDream on April 12, 2010, 06:20:54 AM
Police mug shots are done on very poor camera equipment and the with no professional lighting.

Its also a "full on" face shot.. no flattering angles, etc.   I think the main thing people have to remember is the lighting.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 12, 2010, 06:40:57 AM
(http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/1230903306000/00726/eng_mugshot_michael_726843g.jpg)

I think it's him, just like said before they don't take beautiful pictures because it's not a professional photoshoot  ;)
And to be honest, I don't think that I look at my best when they arrest me.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: lotus_sutra on April 12, 2010, 06:50:25 AM
Hi Steph, yes you are correct that most of us without full makeup on will look a bit different...however MJ was not pulled from his home...he surrendered himself (remember the illegaly taped airplane) and was obviously wearing makeup...maybe it's that 'hooker-red' lipstick that is making him look more gaunt/ghostly, maybe that was the point, who knows???  But I don't know many women that can get away with that shade, let alone men...lol!   ;)
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: PrettyYoungTeletubby on April 12, 2010, 09:05:09 AM
yep exactly...Mj is wearing full make up there. And he surrended himself he wasnt brought in by surprise. I remember that day perfectly.

That double theory is really getting too far. The whole world saw Mj surrending that day and the mugshot was taken at that moment. So how could a double come in the police station and do the picture without anybody noticing the change and WHY???????????????? Oh yes i forgot...The whole LAPD back then was aware of the doubles and didnt mind... :roll:

and those who believe it wasnt MJ surrending that day, i just would like to ask if they are even fans? It was MJ, hot stuff even in handcuffs.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: mjkate on April 12, 2010, 09:14:51 AM
I did mention that I was shocked by the mug shot. I still am however I am not closed off to the fact that it's Michael. His eyes are open so wide though and cheeks sunken and it's just sad I guess. I did look up some pics of him around that time and there are similarities. I don't think the doubles theory has gone too far though. When I think in terms of this theory, I am not thinking interchangeable bunches of doubles. I am thinking 2 people who look incredibly alike who may even be blood related and who are not doing this because they are trying to fool anyone, but rather, entrenched in a life together that is so complex and started so long ago that it may be impossible to figure out. I really appreciate both sides. My family is split. We all believe in the hoax but we are split 50/50 on the doubles theory.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 12, 2010, 09:18:34 AM
It was MJ, hot stuff even in handcuffs.

Yes you're right  ;)
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on April 12, 2010, 09:19:39 AM
i think its mike because you can see the tattoo on his head in the pic.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on April 12, 2010, 12:24:12 PM
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
(http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/1230903306000/00726/eng_mugshot_michael_726843g.jpg)

I think it's him, just like said before they don't take beautiful pictures because it's not a professional photoshoot  ;)
And to be honest, I don't think that I look at my best when they arrest me.


By the way, if you get arrested  you will not have time to put lipstick or any make up. How come Michael jackson has red lipstick on?  When did he have the time to put lipstick??This is just a thought.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: ~Souza~ on April 12, 2010, 12:50:21 PM
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
(http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/1230903306000/00726/eng_mugshot_michael_726843g.jpg)

I think it's him, just like said before they don't take beautiful pictures because it's not a professional photoshoot  ;)
And to be honest, I don't think that I look at my best when they arrest me.


I have serious doubts, it doesn't look like him. The eyes are off, the mouth is off. Either it's not him, or the one I have in mind being the real deal is a double, who knows. Same with the one that showed the bruises on his arm. He was skinny as hell, while Mike was at good weight back then.

What I think is odd about this mugshot as well is that his hair is covering a big part of his face. I'm not sure what the rules are for mugshots in the US, but here you have to keep your hair back, it's not supposed to cover up a part of your face.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: ~Souza~ on April 12, 2010, 12:54:11 PM
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]i think its mike because you can see the tattoo on his head in the pic.

And how do we know for sure he had those tattoos? In all the pics where I think I see the real MJ, I don't see the tattooed hairline.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: jacilovesmichael on April 12, 2010, 01:08:53 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]i think its mike because you can see the tattoo on his head in the pic.

And how do we know for sure he had those tattoos? In all the pics where I think I see the real MJ, I don't see the tattooed hairline.

Hey Souza - is there a thread on here about photos of which you believe is the real deal? I
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: MJonmind on April 12, 2010, 01:15:03 PM
I believe it's MJ because his eyebrows have the little winged tuft at their peaks, the mark is on his left cheek, and to me it just has his essence. His forehead is wrinkled on top because he is raising his eyebrows, opening his eyes wide, just the way he does when he is expressing himself with surprise or emphasis, like he did on DD on LKL. The picture is snapped just at that precise second which isn't really representative of his usual calm looks. Of course the world jumped on this picture because it makes him look more weird. Someone posted on another thread Michael in a photo booth popping his eyes out and sticking out his tongue at the same time. He loved to be silly and wasn't shy to make faces, even though he knew they would be posted online. Even during the 2005 trials stresses, MJ still didn't mind being theatrical and giving something endearing just for his fans he was well aware were watching his every move and loving him.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: ~Souza~ on April 12, 2010, 01:15:38 PM
I will make one later tonight.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: jacilovesmichael on April 12, 2010, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
I will make one later tonight.

Great! Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on April 12, 2010, 01:44:23 PM
SIMPLY WAS STATING MY OPINION.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: Hopeless on April 12, 2010, 04:17:06 PM
It's not the theme, but whenever i see this Mug shot i wonder why there only stands Michael Jackson on this card..not Joe, not Joseph....only Michael and when it was official...because in the FBI Files he was Michael Joe....i can't understand why only Michael....
Have you more informations ?
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: DancingTheDream on April 12, 2010, 07:56:05 PM
Stress made MJ drop weight at a rate of knots...    i have the same thing.  I can eat like a horse, but if i am stressed out then the weight will drop.  I can literally lose a stone in a week.  

So MJ being a good weight and then dropping dramatically after his arrest doesnt surprise me.
He did the same thing with his weight in TII.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: michaelsupporter on April 12, 2010, 08:10:24 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
(http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/1230903306000/00726/eng_mugshot_michael_726843g.jpg)

I think it's him, just like said before they don't take beautiful pictures because it's not a professional photoshoot  ;)
And to be honest, I don't think that I look at my best when they arrest me.


I have serious doubts, it doesn't look like him. The eyes are off, the mouth is off. Either it's not him, or the one I have in mind being the real deal is a double, who knows. Same with the one that showed the bruises on his arm. He was skinny as hell, while Mike was at good weight back then.

What I think is odd about this mugshot as well is that his hair is covering a big part of his face. I'm not sure what the rules are for mugshots in the US, but here you have to keep your hair back, it's not supposed to cover up a part of your face.

Souza,
I agree with you!
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: michaelsupporter on April 12, 2010, 08:17:42 PM
Has anyone ever dyed their hair with a dark dye and not been really careful about getting the dye off the scalp at the hairline????  That is what first comes to mind when I see pics of anything that remotely looks like a tatoo at the front scalp line.

I definitely am not an expert on wigs etc. but a part of me wants to think that perhaps MJ died his hair to cover the white that vitiligo naturally causes. No one ever talks of this aspect---but I know vitiligo and it not only effects the melanin of the skin but of the hair too!
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: LOVEYOUMORE on April 12, 2010, 08:58:58 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
(http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/1230903306000/00726/eng_mugshot_michael_726843g.jpg)

I think it's him, just like said before they don't take beautiful pictures because it's not a professional photoshoot  ;)
And to be honest, I don't think that I look at my best when they arrest me.


I have serious doubts, it doesn't look like him. The eyes are off, the mouth is off. Either it's not him, or the one I have in mind being the real deal is a double, who knows. Same with the one that showed the bruises on his arm. He was skinny as hell, while Mike was at good weight back then.

What I think is odd about this mugshot as well is that his hair is covering a big part of his face. I'm not sure what the rules are for mugshots in the US, but here you have to keep your hair back, it's not supposed to cover up a part of your face.His make-up is tatooed on .
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: wilds on April 12, 2010, 09:57:27 PM
Michael Jackson's ex publicist, Raymone Bain, and tennis star Serena Williams both agree Michael was wearing a disguise!

In the September 2009 issue of Sister 2 Sister Magazine, Raymone Bain did an interview where she spoke about how she became Michael's right hand woman during the 2005 trial. She and Serena Williams, whom Raymone worked for at the time, visited Michael at Neverland. He liked her so much he asked her to come and work for him. Raymone explained how the night she and Serena visited with Michael, he was very handsome. Then, the next day, they saw Michael on CNN going into court and looking completely different from just the night before! They both agreed Michael was wearing a disguise. Now if these two women who were just with the man the whole day and night before don't even recognise him the next day then we know something is wrong! I scanned that part of the article. The larger photos of the whole page were too big to post here.. if anyone wants to see them.

page1
http://ebookbuck.com/pics/Michael-jackson-s2s-2009-00.jpg

(http://ebookbuck.com/pics/Michael-jackson-s2s-2009-01.jpg)

Page 2
http://ebookbuck.com/pics/Michael-jackson-s2s-2009-02.jpg

(http://ebookbuck.com/pics/Michael-jackson-s2s-2009-03.jpg)
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: RK on April 12, 2010, 10:46:48 PM
Thanyou for this post. It is new to me and the possibilities going through my mind are boundless.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: voiceforthesilent on April 12, 2010, 11:40:24 PM
Thank you! This clears up a lot in my mind about that mug shot. I always wondered why there would be this picture that was sooo off from the Michael we usually see. I believe he was in disguise. Way to go Michael! I love your sense of humor :)
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: msteetee34 on April 13, 2010, 02:12:12 AM
I have yet to see any celebrity mug shot that looks decent.  Most of them be looking tore up to be honest.  I think it's him.  He would have to be really brave to send an impersonator to fill in when he is suppose to be turning himself in to the police.  I doubt if he would do that.  He's in full make up because MJ turned himself in voluntarily.  I just think the photo is unflattering.  We've all had bad photos before.  It trips me out how the height on the mugshot says 5'11 but on the autopsy report 5'9.  So he shrunk since 2005?  Okay.....
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: CrazyBanana on April 13, 2010, 02:31:13 AM
unfortunately I think this one is the real deal  :( ... I think it would have been too much of a gambble to send in a double, 4 a photo that he knew would be shown all over the world...but what do I know  :cry:
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: GirlSaturday on April 13, 2010, 05:03:45 AM
I would prefer to think that this is a double because "MJ" looks like crap in this picture.  :lol:

Quote from: "MJJ1982"
(http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/1230903306000/00726/eng_mugshot_michael_726843g.jpg)

I think it's him, just like said before they don't take beautiful pictures because it's not a professional photoshoot  ;)
And to be honest, I don't think that I look at my best when they arrest me.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: Ninanina on April 13, 2010, 07:28:10 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
(http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/1230903306000/00726/eng_mugshot_michael_726843g.jpg)

I think it's him, just like said before they don't take beautiful pictures because it's not a professional photoshoot  ;)
And to be honest, I don't think that I look at my best when they arrest me.


I have serious doubts, it doesn't look like him. The eyes are off, the mouth is off. Either it's not him, or the one I have in mind being the real deal is a double, who knows. Same with the one that showed the bruises on his arm. He was skinny as hell, while Mike was at good weight back then.

What I think is odd about this mugshot as well is that his hair is covering a big part of his face. I'm not sure what the rules are for mugshots in the US, but here you have to keep your hair back, it's not supposed to cover up a part of your face.

How do we know this is a real mugshot anyways? Did we see it in any official document or on an official website?
Could've been made up by anybody with some little graphic skills by adding seal and personal data.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: Ninanina on April 13, 2010, 07:38:30 AM
I was browsing other mugshots - very hard to tell, which are legit and which aren't.
Do we know for sure he wore a white shirt under his black jacket that day?

Sorry, off topic.
Oh, I love this man... Even on a mug shot most stylish and classy.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/bowiemug1.jpg)
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 13, 2010, 07:50:53 AM
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
I would prefer to think that this is a double because "MJ" looks like crap in this picture.  :lol:

Quote from: "MJJ1982"
(http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/1230903306000/00726/eng_mugshot_michael_726843g.jpg)

I think it's him, just like said before they don't take beautiful pictures because it's not a professional photoshoot  ;)
And to be honest, I don't think that I look at my best when they arrest me.

You're right, looking at this pic makes me want to believe in doubles  ;) but I really think it's him though..
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: *Mo* on April 13, 2010, 02:16:53 PM
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/mugshot01.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/Mikes8.jpg)
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: looking4truth on April 13, 2010, 02:43:22 PM
Quote from: "wilds"
Michael Jackson's ex publicist, Raymone Bain, and tennis star Serena Williams both agree Michael was wearing a disguise!

In the September 2009 issue of Sister 2 Sister Magazine, Raymone Bain did an interview where she spoke about how she became Michael's right hand woman during the 2005 trial. She and Serena Williams, whom Raymone worked for at the time, visited Michael at Neverland. He liked her so much he asked her to come and work for him. Raymone explained how the night she and Serena visited with Michael, he was very handsome. Then, the next day, they saw Michael on CNN going into court and looking completely different from just the night before! They both agreed Michael was wearing a disguise. Now if these two women who were just with the man the whole day and night before don't even recognise him the next day then we know something is wrong! I scanned that part of the article. The larger photos of the whole page were too big to post here.. if anyone wants to see them.

page1
http://ebookbuck.com/pics/Michael-jackson-s2s-2009-00.jpg

(http://ebookbuck.com/pics/Michael-jackson-s2s-2009-01.jpg)

Page 2
http://ebookbuck.com/pics/Michael-jackson-s2s-2009-02.jpg

(http://ebookbuck.com/pics/Michael-jackson-s2s-2009-03.jpg)

I read this and did not remember this part. Thanks for posting. Very interesting.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: Jacksonology on April 13, 2010, 03:19:16 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
(http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/1230903306000/00726/eng_mugshot_michael_726843g.jpg)

I think it's him, just like said before they don't take beautiful pictures because it's not a professional photoshoot  ;)
And to be honest, I don't think that I look at my best when they arrest me.


I have serious doubts, it doesn't look like him. The eyes are off, the mouth is off. Either it's not him, or the one I have in mind being the real deal is a double, who knows. Same with the one that showed the bruises on his arm. He was skinny as hell, while Mike was at good weight back then.

What I think is odd about this mugshot as well is that his hair is covering a big part of his face. I'm not sure what the rules are for mugshots in the US, but here you have to keep your hair back, it's not supposed to cover up a part of your face.
i fully agree.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: Jacksonology on April 13, 2010, 03:20:45 PM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/mugshot01.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/Mikes8.jpg)
Are you saying it's the real Michael?
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: mumof3 on April 13, 2010, 03:28:23 PM
I would have thought it would be illegal to send adouble to court and would they have taken finger prints   the mug shot does make him look unwell but so would I. If I had to go through that ordeal
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: *Mo* on April 13, 2010, 03:37:03 PM
Quote from: "Jacksonology"
Quote from: "*Mo*"
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/mugshot01.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/Mikes8.jpg)
Are you saying it's the real Michael?

Do these faces match..........?
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: DancingTheDream on April 13, 2010, 03:38:31 PM
Have you ever considered that the awful mugshot was DELIBERATE??

They used the worst and most harsh lighting in the room and captured MJ in a bad pose, full on with a startled expression.. in order for Mike to look as "wierd" and "abnormal" as possible??

The LAPD did it on purpose.. they wanted him to look like this so the public could look at the pic and say "yeah, he looks really wierd.  He must be a paedo"

Get it??  Its called PR.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: *Mo* on April 13, 2010, 03:42:47 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Have you ever considered that the awful mugshot was DELIBERATE??

They used the worst and most harsh lighting in the room and captured MJ in a bad pose, full on with a startled expression.. in order for Mike to look as "wierd" and "abnormal" as possible??

The LAPD did it on purpose.. they wanted him to look like this so the public could look at the pic and say "yeah, he looks really wierd.  He must be a paedo"

Get it??  Its called PR.

Until today I didn't know that PR can cause more than half an inch of length difference in between the eyes and the upper lip...  :roll:
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: DancingTheDream on April 13, 2010, 04:01:39 PM
Michael is a lot older in the mugshot to the picture you have posted, Mo..  Michael is a child in the first picture.  He has aged and face has grown.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: *Mo* on April 13, 2010, 04:08:23 PM
As I posted in the Real Deal thread, where we got a similar reply:

Humans are born with a relatively big head compared to the rest of their body and it stays in proportion while growing. A head doesn't grow as much as i.e. a leg does. A head reaches its final size around the age of 17-18. It's not that just your upper jaw all of a sudden starts growing bigger after the age of 17.

The pic used to compare the mugshot with is from the same shoot as the ones we used to compare the "Liberian Girl/Come Together" pic with, and the others from the Bad era when Mike was in his 30's. Those MATCH, so if the mugshot is of the same person as the person on the pics of the 1977 shoot, these pics also HAVE to match.

Your mouth just doesn't drop more than half an inch because of aging.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: DancingTheDream on April 13, 2010, 04:12:23 PM
Yeah it does.. the skin droops.

Plus Mike has had plastic surgery.. had surgery to his jaw when he had the cleft put in.  Also may have had surgery/ botox / fillers in his lips / cheeks / etc...   these all change the shape of face.

Mike also had several nose jobs between these two periods, changing the distance from his nose to his mouth.

Nose jobs and Chin cleft.

In the two pics you have posted in the first one he has his mouth open showing his teeth.. in the second his mouth is closed, so cant see where the teeth are aligned to.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: *Mo* on April 13, 2010, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Yeah it does.. the skin droops.

Plus Mike has had plastic surgery.. had surgery to his jaw when he had the cleft put in.  Also may have had surgery/ botox / fillers in his lips / cheeks / etc...   these all change the shape of face.

In the two pics you have posted in the first one he has his mouth open showing his teeth.. in the second his mouth is closed, so cant see where the teeth are aligned to.

Chin cleft and an opened mouth only change the LOWER part of the face, not the part above the upper lip!  In order to change THAT, they would have to saw his skull in two and add extra bone.  So I guess he had his skull sawn in two and bone added or removed every once in a while huh?
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: *Mo* on April 13, 2010, 04:24:11 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Mike also had several nose jobs between these two periods, changing the distance from his nose to his mouth.

The distance between the eyes and the upper lip stays basically the same, no matter how many nose jobs one has had.  In order to change that distance you have to alter the skull as I described in my previous reply.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: the arabian nights on April 13, 2010, 04:27:52 PM
the pic says he was 45 years old - it is amazing how the stress of this ordeal - wrecked his face

poor many

do you remember how he looked when dancing with the james brown i think in the same year? he looked fine
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: *Mo* on April 13, 2010, 04:34:04 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
the pic says he was 45 years old - it is amazing how the stress of this ordeal - wrecked his face

poor many

do you remember how he looked when dancing with the james brown i think in the same year? he looked fine

Wrecked his face...?  These faces don't match, not even close.  No wonder his face looked 'wrecked' when he's not the person in the picture.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: Puff on April 13, 2010, 04:49:00 PM
Now, also his face is magical? he can add bone every now and then....
he can shrink and grow.... he can change his chin every morning..he can change his eyes as well. and what else?...
Com'on guys! Take a good look at those comparisons. They are not the same person.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: the arabian nights on April 13, 2010, 04:56:23 PM
this is mike at 45 at his birthday party on 30th August

which month was the mug shot taken

looking at the pictures they look similar - the bottom one stressed out
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 13, 2010, 04:57:13 PM
Well, if mugshot MJ isn't Michael, then I begin to wonder how and why the eyes exactly look the same  ;)
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: *Mo* on April 13, 2010, 05:17:04 PM
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
Well, if mugshot MJ isn't Michael, then I begin to wonder how and why the eyes exactly look the same  ;)

They do...?

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/Mikes8.gif)
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 13, 2010, 05:20:03 PM
Call me nuts, but imo they do, yes  ;)
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: Puff on April 13, 2010, 05:26:18 PM
His eyes don't match... The left one doesn't match at all, and it's not because of his facial expression...
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: mykidsmum on April 13, 2010, 05:40:00 PM
about the article...he looked so handsome at home because he wasn't all made up with makeup like he wears to go out.  This is why I love these photos so much...it is MJ around the same time period without any of his makeup.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: misha86 on April 13, 2010, 09:35:27 PM
i knew that wasnt him..no one in the bashir interview looked like that lol
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: voiceforthesilent on April 13, 2010, 11:45:14 PM
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/index.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/index.html)

I've been looking at mugshots of people. I didn't look at every one but I did see quite a few. Please don't hate me for putting these names together with Michael - it's only a comparison of photo layouts. I am not labeling him with the others.

The one person who's picture layout is the closest to Michael is Marilyn Manson but in Marilyn's it has his middle name where in Michael's it doesn't.  Many photos had the front and side view. I didn't see anyone except for Michael with the hair covering part of their face. The biggest thing that stood out to me is that in every picture I looked at, with the exception of Michael, the person had a strong resemblance to their normal self (minus the red eyes and messy hair LOL). I'm not saying there was a double here for Michael because I don't know. I'm just pointing out a few differences in photo layouts. Thanks.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: LieBecomesTheTruth on April 14, 2010, 12:08:21 AM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Have you ever considered that the awful mugshot was DELIBERATE??

They used the worst and most harsh lighting in the room and captured MJ in a bad pose, full on with a startled expression.. in order for Mike to look as "wierd" and "abnormal" as possible??

The LAPD did it on purpose.. they wanted him to look like this so the public could look at the pic and say "yeah, he looks really wierd.  He must be a paedo"

Get it??  Its called PR.

DancingTheDream, I absolutely agree with you. The police department did do this on purpose in order to make him look as "weird" as possible. I'm sure many of us here have seen the video where MJ talks about how he was treated by those people, and what he says he was subjected to is absolutely despicable. And what I also think is despicable is analyzing this particular picture of him at an almost microscopic level. This was one of the hardest things MJ had to go through, and I really think it's disrespectful to be doing this. But of course, thats just my opinion.

On another note... as someone previously stated, when someone is booked in a county jail, fingerprints are taken.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: *Mo* on April 14, 2010, 12:27:21 AM
Quote from: "LieBecomesTheTruth"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Have you ever considered that the awful mugshot was DELIBERATE??

They used the worst and most harsh lighting in the room and captured MJ in a bad pose, full on with a startled expression.. in order for Mike to look as "wierd" and "abnormal" as possible??

The LAPD did it on purpose.. they wanted him to look like this so the public could look at the pic and say "yeah, he looks really wierd.  He must be a paedo"

Get it??  Its called PR.

DancingTheDream, I absolutely agree with you. The police department did do this on purpose in order to make him look as "weird" as possible. I'm sure many of us here have seen the video where MJ talks about how he was treated by those people, and what he says he was subjected to is absolutely despicable. And what I also think is despicable is analyzing this particular picture of him at an almost microscopic level. This was one of the hardest things MJ had to go through, and I really think it's disrespectful to be doing this. But of course, thats just my opinion.

On another note... as someone previously stated, when someone is booked in a county jail, fingerprints are taken.

I'm getting a bit tired of repeating myself, but here we go again:

This website is called Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators. It was set up as one in which people were invited to forensically examine the obviously strange and discordant events of June 25th and beyond. Although every moment of Mike's life is scrutinized, it is done with respect.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 14, 2010, 03:22:55 AM
Quote from: "LieBecomesTheTruth"

DancingTheDream, I absolutely agree with you. The police department did do this on purpose in order to make him look as "weird" as possible.

But how did they do it then? By shooting numbers of pictures, and pick the most weird one? Or maybe they photoshopped it?
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: mjfansince4 on April 14, 2010, 03:28:10 AM
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
Quote from: "LieBecomesTheTruth"

DancingTheDream, I absolutely agree with you. The police department did do this on purpose in order to make him look as "weird" as possible.

But how did they do it then? By shooting numbers of pictures, and pick the most weird one? Or maybe they photoshopped it?


i know when shia labeouf was arrested in chicago, the police officer took multiple photos of him to get a good shot, since he knew it'd be released to the public. however, we already know the prejudice the police had with michael, it's very possible they did it deliberately. probably a plan from the get-go to send out the most negative image of michael possible (this is including sneddons idiotic and unprofessional news conference he held). too bad it didn't work. ha.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 14, 2010, 03:57:10 AM
When I compare these 2 pictures, I see one guy: MJ

(http://mjtruth.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/yoohoo.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5L213Ip_Dg4/SldhpDrqkSI/AAAAAAAAErw/Q3br7EkAFSI/s400/michael+jackson+mugshot.jpg)
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: DancingTheDream on April 14, 2010, 11:22:34 AM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Mike also had several nose jobs between these two periods, changing the distance from his nose to his mouth.

The distance between the eyes and the upper lip stays basically the same, no matter how many nose jobs one has had.  In order to change that distance you have to alter the skull as I described in my previous reply.

What i am saying is that it would be more useful to compare a photo of Michael from this era to the mugshot..  rather than a photo of him when he was in his teens.

I dont have the tech that you do to do this so cant do it myself.   :D  :D
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: *Mo* on April 14, 2010, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Mike also had several nose jobs between these two periods, changing the distance from his nose to his mouth.

The distance between the eyes and the upper lip stays basically the same, no matter how many nose jobs one has had.  In order to change that distance you have to alter the skull as I described in my previous reply.

What i am saying is that it would be more useful to compare a photo of Michael from this era to the mugshot..  rather than a photo of him when he was in his teens.

I dont have the tech that you do to do this so cant do it myself.   :D  :D

I'm just repeating myself here again:

Aging does not change the distance between the eyes and the upper lip.

In order to find a photo of the same person from the "mug shot era" it first has to match with one from the 1977 shoot, so it won't make any difference.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: DancingTheDream on April 14, 2010, 11:32:14 AM
MO - we will have to agree to disagree   :D
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: mjjveritas on April 14, 2010, 11:44:32 AM
When this mugshot was released, I don't remember anyone in the media saying it wasn't MJ or that it didn't look like MJ. The eyes belong to MJ. Eyes are more unique than fingerprints. Now if this person had their eyes obscured in this photo one could not be as sure it was the real MJ but the eyes identify that this is MJ.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: Kuki on April 14, 2010, 12:05:55 PM
Quote from: "mjjveritas"
When this mugshot was released, I don't remember anyone in the media saying it wasn't MJ or that it didn't look like MJ. The eyes belong to MJ. Eyes are more unique than fingerprints. Now if this person had their eyes obscured in this photo one could not be as sure it was the real MJ but the eyes identify that this is MJ.

Amen to that!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 14, 2010, 12:16:14 PM
Quote from: "mjjveritas"
When this mugshot was released, I don't remember anyone in the media saying it wasn't MJ or that it didn't look like MJ. The eyes belong to MJ. Eyes are more unique than fingerprints. Now if this person had their eyes obscured in this photo one could not be as sure it was the real MJ but the eyes identify that this is MJ.

Exactly, if people had doubts about that picture, we sure would have heard from them.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: DancingTheDream on April 14, 2010, 12:52:33 PM
Look at these pics.  I cant do the comparisons as dont have the software.. but all look the same as the mugshot to me.. :?

And the first pic could explain why the changes.......     surgery, botox, fillers, etc

There was rumour he had surgery to shorten his top lip area prior to the O2 announcement.
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 14, 2010, 12:53:54 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Look at these pics.  I cant do the comparisons as dont have the software.. but all look the same as the mugshot to me.. :?

And the first pic could explain why the changes.......     surgery, botox, fillers, etc

There was rumour he had surgery to shorten his top lip area prior to the O2 announcement.

They look the same to me too...
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: Jacksonology on April 14, 2010, 01:33:36 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Look at these pics.  I cant do the comparisons as dont have the software.. but all look the same as the mugshot to me.. :?

And the first pic could explain why the changes.......     surgery, botox, fillers, etc

There was rumour he had surgery to shorten his top lip area prior to the O2 announcement.
it was also rumoured that Michael was going through Facial ReConstruction to un-do the ''plastic surgeries'' he had while doing This Is It
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: alovesmichael on April 14, 2010, 03:00:51 PM
Quote
DancingTheDream ยป Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:52 pm

Look at these pics. I cant do the comparisons as dont have the software.. but all look the same as the mugshot to me..


About the first picture, I think the bodyguards explained that it was a disguise for Michael. "The burn victim disguise". I know some are doubting how true that interview was but I find that believeable. Botox, for example, doesn't leave big marks so there wouldn't be necessary to cover it up...
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: alovesmichael on April 14, 2010, 03:09:01 PM
Quote from: "Ninanina"
I was browsing other mugshots - very hard to tell, which are legit and which aren't.
Do we know for sure he wore a white shirt under his black jacket that day?

Sorry, off topic.
Oh, I love this man... Even on a mug shot most stylish and classy.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/bowiemug1.jpg)

Aaooww! *drools* Is that actually a real mugshot? If it is it should win a price for the most gorgeous mugshot of all time or something!  :D What was he arrested for?

I personally laugh a lot whenever I see some mugshots cuz they really aren't flattering, lol! In my pass card (for uni.) I look like a 40 year old crack addict, lol!  :lol:  :lol: I only show it to people if I want to make them laugh but most people just look shocked hahah!
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: mjj29081958 on April 14, 2010, 03:39:38 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Yeah it does.. the skin droops.

Plus Mike has had plastic surgery.. had surgery to his jaw when he had the cleft put in.  Also may have had surgery/ botox / fillers in his lips / cheeks / etc...   these all change the shape of face.

Mike also had several nose jobs between these two periods, changing the distance from his nose to his mouth.

Nose jobs and Chin cleft.

In the two pics you have posted in the first one he has his mouth open showing his teeth.. in the second his mouth is closed, so cant see where the teeth are aligned to.


It's a fact that your face drops when you get older, this "effect" is increased by the weight lost... and he was very thin in that pic.

Try to pass your own test: if you are 45+, go and take a very close-up pics of your face. Don't use makeup. Use a place with bad lighting and the worst camera you can find. If you had lost a lot of weight, then better (for my test!). Now, compare it with a pic of your 17's... What did you find?... Why do you think that "Facial Lifting" is one of the more practiced surgeries (esthetical)?
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on April 14, 2010, 03:58:59 PM
ALL MIKEY   8-)
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: mykidsmum on April 14, 2010, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Quote from: "Ninanina"
I was browsing other mugshots - very hard to tell, which are legit and which aren't.
Do we know for sure he wore a white shirt under his black jacket that day?

Sorry, off topic.
Oh, I love this man... Even on a mug shot most stylish and classy.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/bowiemug1.jpg)

Aaooww! *drools* Is that actually a real mugshot? If it is it should win a price for the most gorgeous mugshot of all time or something!  :D What was he arrested for?

I personally laugh a lot whenever I see some mugshots cuz they really aren't flattering, lol! In my pass card (for uni.) I look like a 40 year old crack addict, lol!  :lol:  :lol: I only show it to people if I want to make them laugh but most people just look shocked hahah!
is this David Bowie?  I LOVE him in the Labyrinth!
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: alovesmichael on April 15, 2010, 12:06:19 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Quote from: "Ninanina"
I was browsing other mugshots - very hard to tell, which are legit and which aren't.
Do we know for sure he wore a white shirt under his black jacket that day?

Sorry, off topic.
Oh, I love this man... Even on a mug shot most stylish and classy.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/bowiemug1.jpg)

Aaooww! *drools* Is that actually a real mugshot? If it is it should win a price for the most gorgeous mugshot of all time or something!  :D What was he arrested for?

I personally laugh a lot whenever I see some mugshots cuz they really aren't flattering, lol! In my pass card (for uni.) I look like a 40 year old crack addict, lol!  :lol:  :lol: I only show it to people if I want to make them laugh but most people just look shocked hahah!
is this David Bowie?  I LOVE him in the Labyrinth!

Yeah, it's him. Amazing mugshot isn't it? One almost wonders if it's for real  :lol: .
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: katooooooo on April 17, 2010, 08:52:08 AM
OMG!|! I love David Bowie  :oops: soooo sexy on this pic
lol sorry i have to tell lolll
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Quote from: "Ninanina"
I was browsing other mugshots - very hard to tell, which are legit and which aren't.
Do we know for sure he wore a white shirt under his black jacket that day?

Sorry, off topic.
Oh, I love this man... Even on a mug shot most stylish and classy.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/bowiemug1.jpg)

Aaooww! *drools* Is that actually a real mugshot? If it is it should win a price for the most gorgeous mugshot of all time or something!  :D What was he arrested for?

I personally laugh a lot whenever I see some mugshots cuz they really aren't flattering, lol! In my pass card (for uni.) I look like a 40 year old crack addict, lol!  :lol:  :lol: I only show it to people if I want to make them laugh but most people just look shocked hahah!
is this David Bowie?  I LOVE him in the Labyrinth!
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: mmz on April 17, 2010, 10:00:17 AM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
about the article...he looked so handsome at home because he wasn't all made up with makeup like he wears to go out.  This is why I love these photos so much...it is MJ around the same time period without any of his makeup.

I agree!! These are great pictures!!!..but ..something lookes odd to my eyes...what about his nose? I enlarged the picture and this is the result... maybe no make up,and no prosthatic nose? I don't want to sound unrespectful...I love him anyway....
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7913/michaelnose.jpg (http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7913/michaelnose.jpg)
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: MJmakesmespeechless on April 17, 2010, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: "PrettyYoungTeletubby"
yep exactly...Mj is wearing full make up there. And he surrended himself he wasnt brought in by surprise. I remember that day perfectly.

That double theory is really getting too far. The whole world saw Mj surrending that day and the mugshot was taken at that moment. So how could a double come in the police station and do the picture without anybody noticing the change and WHY???????????????? Oh yes i forgot...The whole LAPD back then was aware of the doubles and didnt mind... :roll:

and those who believe it wasnt MJ surrending that day, i just would like to ask if they are even fans? It was MJ, hot stuff even in handcuffs.

Exactly!!!
Does anyone look good on their driver's licence??? Nope not usually.
It's Michael...I couldnt care less if he wears an ounce of makeup i love him all the same
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: mjthelegendlives on April 17, 2010, 12:42:17 PM
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
When I compare these 2 pictures, I see one guy: MJ

(http://mjtruth.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/yoohoo.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5L213Ip_Dg4/SldhpDrqkSI/AAAAAAAAErw/Q3br7EkAFSI/s400/michael+jackson+mugshot.jpg)

To those pictures, we can add this one also.  Can't post the pic, but here's the link.

http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/app ... vo/020.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/appearances/sarajevo/020.jpg)
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 17, 2010, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: "mjthelegendlives"
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
When I compare these 2 pictures, I see one guy: MJ

(http://mjtruth.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/yoohoo.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5L213Ip_Dg4/SldhpDrqkSI/AAAAAAAAErw/Q3br7EkAFSI/s400/michael+jackson+mugshot.jpg)

To those pictures, we can add this one also.  Can't post the pic, but here's the link.

http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/app ... vo/020.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/appearances/sarajevo/020.jpg)

Thank you for posting, here it is:

[attachment=0:3s9ilbh1]020.jpg[/attachment:3s9ilbh1]
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: DancingTheDream on April 17, 2010, 12:47:02 PM
Quote from: "mjthelegendlives"

To those pictures, we can add this one also.  Can't post the pic, but here's the link.

http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/app ... vo/020.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/appearances/sarajevo/020.jpg)

Here.. ive posted it for you as ive never seen that one before.  You can put pics up by "downloading attachement" at the bottom when you post replies.  :)

Just goes to show, that with lighting and makeup, angles and expressions.. people can look different.  This is from the Dangerous era as well!
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 17, 2010, 12:49:00 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"

Here.. ive posted it for you as ive never seen that one before.  You can put pics up by "downloading attachement" at the bottom when you post replies.  :)


Same thoughts :lol:   ;)
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: mjthelegendlives on April 17, 2010, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"

Here.. ive posted it for you as ive never seen that one before.  You can put pics up by "downloading attachement" at the bottom when you post replies.  :)


Same thoughts :lol:   ;)

DTD, MJJ1982...Thanks... :D
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: mykidsmum on April 17, 2010, 02:59:43 PM
Quote from: "mmz"
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
about the article...he looked so handsome at home because he wasn't all made up with makeup like he wears to go out.  This is why I love these photos so much...it is MJ around the same time period without any of his makeup.

I agree!! These are great pictures!!!..but ..something lookes odd to my eyes...what about his nose? I enlarged the picture and this is the result... maybe no make up,and no prosthatic nose? I don't want to sound unrespectful...I love him anyway....
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7913/michaelnose.jpg (http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7913/michaelnose.jpg)
most likeley its the bandaid or medical tape he wore when at home.  And out...LOL  He had no prosthetic nose...His Dr. already said that and the autopsy confirms.
Here is the pic
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: MJonmind on April 18, 2010, 01:50:12 AM
Well the Yoo Hoo picture settles it once and for all. Michael it all is. You know, I think Michael uses all the muscles in his face, very expressive, not afraid to look goofy, angry, sleepy, shy, whatever, and it could alter the appearance of his face for the second of the picture. Every square inch of him is talented and handsome-m-m!
Title: Re: Mikes mug shot
Post by: Shamone Jackson on April 18, 2010, 02:24:05 AM
Quote from: wilds

Thank you for posting that article. That is good to know about that mug shot. I'm not surprised MJ would pull a stunt like that. He knew the media was waiting for that mugshot, so he gave them something to blabber about.
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