Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
General Discussion => General Discussion => The Resistance => Topic started by: jill on April 11, 2010, 08:52:09 PM
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This was on Fox News 4/10/10. They retelevised it this evening. This is very interesting. Jon Voight is a well known actor. I will post the link. I do not know how to embed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsiTcgh92T8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsiTcgh92T8)
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Wow. Thank you for sharing. I have so much more respect for the man as it had to take a lot of willpower to read a letter like that.
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he should stick to acting and being a deadbeat dad
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he should stick to acting and being a deadbeat dad
I agree - I really dont like what he stands for.
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uh no, that's Jon Voight's letter to American Republicans/Conservatives/Teabaggers out there. What BS.
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Im assuming most of the posters here are supporters of Obama?
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@Jacksonologist....I do not support Obama.
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Im assuming most of the posters here are supporters of Obama?
@Jacksonologist....I do not support Obama.
I agree - I really dont like what he stands for.
8-)
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As someone not from the U.S. why is John Voight so against Obama? From an outsiders point of view Obama seems like a good guy, what happened? When Obama was elected I can say in my country the majority if not all people were thrilled and felt a dark cloud was lifted.
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As someone not from the U.S. why is John Voight so against Obama? From an outsiders point of view Obama seems like a good guy, what happened? When Obama was elected I can say in my country the majority if not all people were thrilled and felt a dark cloud was lifted.
Really? I felt the complete opposite when he was elected.
Why did they feel this way in your country?
To me, Obama is nothing but a terrorist...period. I still do not understand why people voted for him...I really honestly cannot.
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@Jacksonologist....I do not support Obama.
I didnt think you did or you wouldnt have posted that video.
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As someone not from the U.S. why is John Voight so against Obama? From an outsiders point of view Obama seems like a good guy, what happened? When Obama was elected I can say in my country the majority if not all people were thrilled and felt a dark cloud was lifted.
Really? I felt the complete opposite when he was elected.
Why did they feel this way in your country?
To me, Obama is nothing but a terrorist...period. I still do not understand why people voted for him...I really honestly cannot.
I'm no expert in U.S. politics, i'll just share a little on our view.
Bill Clinton was huge in Ireland, he did so much for our country and he played a major role in Northern Ireland's peace process. He was a regular visitor and loved by all of us.
Then George Bush was elected, he came to Ireland a few years back and there were protests and to say people didn't want to see him was an understatement. There was alot of people protecting him. Now I was alot younger then and not as clued in as I am now to world news but I know alot of Irish people didn't see him as a good leader and saw him as a trouble maker (to put it lightly), then Obama came along and we prayed and hoped he would be elected, I think Irish are more Democrate but then again if there was a Republican more like Bill Clinton we'd love him too, but Obama to us is another Bill Clinton. I can't speak for my whole country but from where I sit Obama will clean up George Bush's mess he made and he is welcome over here with open arms. The U.S. is seen all over the world as a leader and we need a good and strong man/woman to lead the U.S. and the world. I'm not wearing rose tinted glasses and I will change my opinion on him if needs be.
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Well, I have to agree that Bush was a complete and still is....moron. Im not a fan of Clinton either, but if I had to choose...I would pick Clinton.
Obama. Well Im not schooled that well in politics myself, but this guy just oozes bad news. REALLY bad news. He's pushing for complete control of everything and making it easier to swallow by sugar coating it. He's making everything he wants to do seem "wonderful", when in actuality he has a more sinister agenda. He and those creeps in Congress....especially Pelosi.
do you know that Pelosi's husband is a big wig at a major tuna fish company (like Starkist)? He just bought a huge chunk of land in cuba. Pelosi, when the time came for the minimum wage to be raised, forbad his workers in Somoa, where a big tuna factory is, to get the minimum wage because they didnt wanna fork over the extra money and Good ole Nancy persuaded him. So now Somoans still earn the old min wage while the rest of us earn more. WTF?
There is so much evil shit going on in the white house it isnt even funny.
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@Karen-ishealive...the video says it all about Obama. I have never seen our nation in more turmoil! I grew up in Washington D.C. during the Watergate situation with Nixon and the Vietnam War. I have never seen our country this upset over changes this president is making in our laws. Our rights are being taken away right before our eyes. The congressional leaders are voting right along with him against the wishes of the majority of the people. There are protests in almost every city. People I have never talked with about political views are speaking out. People here are angry!
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As someone not from the U.S. why is John Voight so against Obama? From an outsiders point of view Obama seems like a good guy, what happened? When Obama was elected I can say in my country the majority if not all people were thrilled and felt a dark cloud was lifted.
Really? I felt the complete opposite when he was elected.
Why did they feel this way in your country?
To me, Obama is nothing but a terrorist...period. I still do not understand why people voted for him...I really honestly cannot.
I'm no expert in U.S. politics, i'll just share a little on our view.
Bill Clinton was huge in Ireland, he did so much for our country and he played a major role in Northern Ireland's peace process. He was a regular visitor and loved by all of us.
Then George Bush was elected, he came to Ireland a few years back and there were protests and to say people didn't want to see him was an understatement. There was alot of people protecting him. Now I was alot younger then and not as clued in as I am now to world news but I know alot of Irish people didn't see him as a good leader and saw him as a trouble maker (to put it lightly), then Obama came along and we prayed and hoped he would be elected, I think Irish are more Democrate but then again if there was a Republican more like Bill Clinton we'd love him too, but Obama to us is another Bill Clinton. I can't speak for my whole country but from where I sit Obama will clean up George Bush's mess he made and he is welcome over here with open arms. The U.S. is seen all over the world as a leader and we need a good and strong man/woman to lead the U.S. and the world. I'm not wearing rose tinted glasses and I will change my opinion on him if needs be.
They are all controlled puppets, a President is selected from the approved choices only. Citizens do not really choose their leaders, a vote is cast as to whom is the popular face of the real power behind the curtain. This also explains why many of the "Cabinet" is frequently and regularly recycled.
Take for example:
Dick" Cheney served as the 46th Vice President of the United States from 2001 to 2009 under George W. Bush. He has held positions in the White House during the Nixon and Ford administrations, where he served the latter as White House Chief of Staff In 1978. Cheney was selected to be the Secretary of Defense during the presidency of George H. W. Bush, holding the position for the majority of Bush's term. Cheney was chairman and CEO of Halliburton Company from 1995 to 2000. Haliburton has received numerous defense department contracts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halliburton
Donald Rumsfeld diplomat and politician who served as the 13th Secretary of Defense under President Gerald Ford from 1975 to 1977 and as the 21st Secretary of Defense under President George W. Bush from 2001 to 2006. He was also CEO, and then as President, of Searle Pharmaceuticals between 1977 and 1985. Links to the 911 Conspiracy, Pharmaceuticals etc."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld
Henry Kissinger served as National Security Adviser and later concurrently as Secretary of State in the administrations of Presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford. After his term, his opinion was still sought out by many following presidents.
Currently an Obama Adviser. "An unsavory character"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger
Zbigniew Brzezinski served as United States National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981. Currently an Obama Adviser. Not a "wonderful guy"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski
I suggest that you do your own research and check out whom is in Obama's cabinet.
And I am not American, it is like this in other countries too!
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Thank you all for this, it's good to hear this from American citizens it's coming straight from the horses mouth. I certainly will be tuning in more when I hear any news updates on Obama. I don't like being fed BS. I'll be keeping my eyes and ears open so I can eduacate myself on him.
My opinion on Clinton is still the same, i'm just looking at what he did for us and we can't thank him enough.
As far as Ireland's leaders are concerned they are a bunch of morans, they have no idea how to lead and have absolutley no idea how to get us out of recession. It seems us the tax payers are paying for all the banks and property developers f**k ups and it is so frustrating and we're all really pi**ed off with it, and the worse thing is the oppositions are not much better. We have alot of successful business people in Ireland and I swear they could run this country with their eyes closed.If only we could get them elected!
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Don´t want to be rude but again... America = USA?
How do the rest of the Americans feel about that?
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Well, I have to agree that Bush was a complete and still is....moron. Im not a fan of Clinton either, but if I had to choose...I would pick Clinton.
Obama. Well Im not schooled that well in politics myself, but this guy just oozes bad news. REALLY bad news. He's pushing for complete control of everything and making it easier to swallow by sugar coating it. He's making everything he wants to do seem "wonderful", when in actuality he has a more sinister agenda. He and those creeps in Congress....especially Pelosi.
do you know that Pelosi's husband is a big wig at a major tuna fish company (like Starkist)? He just bought a huge chunk of land in cuba. Pelosi, when the time came for the minimum wage to be raised, forbad his workers in Somoa, where a big tuna factory is, to get the minimum wage because they didnt wanna fork over the extra money and Good ole Nancy persuaded him. So now Somoans still earn the old min wage while the rest of us earn more. WTF?
There is so much evil shit going on in the white house it isnt even funny.
Hahaha it's spelled "Samoa" & "Samoan". I'm Samoan :D Anyways, I didn't know about the whole tuna thing, thanks for that post. What a bastard :x As for Obama, I'm not against him, I'm waiting it out to see what happens, as of right now I'm giving him a chance. However, I am iffy about him. All I know is I don't hate him like I hated Bush but that's jmo.
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As someone not from the U.S. why is John Voight so against Obama? From an outsiders point of view Obama seems like a good guy, what happened? When Obama was elected I can say in my country the majority if not all people were thrilled and felt a dark cloud was lifted.
Really? I felt the complete opposite when he was elected.
Why did they feel this way in your country?
To me, Obama is nothing but a terrorist...period. I still do not understand why people voted for him...I really honestly cannot.
President Obama a terrorist?
:roll:
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Im assuming most of the posters here are supporters of Obama?
@Jacksonologist....I do not support Obama.
I agree - I really dont like what he stands for.
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WOW my comment was NOT about Obama, but about Jon Voight...
Actually I think that Obama means well - look at the healthcare thing, that is good for a lot of under privilliged americans..
but then again, Im from scandinavia and its deep in our culture to take for the poor/sick people in our society...
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Im assuming most of the posters here are supporters of Obama?
@Jacksonologist....I do not support Obama.
I agree - I really dont like what he stands for.
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WOW my comment was NOT about Obama, but about Jon Voight...
No but it is how I feel about Obama so I quoted you as I was a little lazy and didn't feel like typing it out. ;) :lol:
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Obama is trying to FIX the healthcare system to make healthcare more accessible to EVERYONE. That's a good thing in my book. & he is now trying to fix things so that same sex couples have the same rights as other couples when it comes to one partner being in the hospital, etc. That is also a good thing. People who don't want change, don't like him because he is changing things, but as far as I can see none of it is bad. What's bad is starting a pointless war in Afghanistan after a terrorist attack that could have been prevented. Obama didn't ruin the economy, that was already in progress before he was elected. When are people going to wake up & stop blaming him for Bush's mistakes? :roll: As far as I'm concerned, he's doing good not bad. He's HALF black & he's a democrat, let's all throw stones. He was born on an island & his father was African, let's give him grief & say he's not really a US citizen. Because someone who wasn't a US citizen would really be elected president without that being checked out first. :roll: Give me a break. As one of the many Americans without health insurance because I am a student & simply can't afford it & my single mom who is one of the many Americans recently laid off can't afford to help me, I support what Obama is doing & I am grateful. Sometimes all I can do is just SMH at this country. :roll:
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Obama is trying to FIX the healthcare system to make healthcare more accessible to EVERYONE. That's a good thing in my book. & he is now trying to fix things so that same sex couples have the same rights as other couples when it comes to one partner being in the hospital, etc. That is also a good thing. People who don't want change, don't like him because he is changing things, but as far as I can see none of it is bad. What's bad is starting a pointless war in Afghanistan after a terrorist attack that could have been prevented. Obama didn't ruin the economy, that was already in progress before he was elected. When are people going to wake up & stop blaming him for Bush's mistakes? :roll: As far as I'm concerned, he's doing good not bad. He's HALF black & he's a democrat, let's all throw stones. He was born on an island & his father was African, let's give him grief & say he's not really a US citizen. Because someone who wasn't a US citizen would really be elected president without that being checked out first. :roll: Give me a break. As one of the many Americans without health insurance because I am a student & simply can't afford it & my single mom who is one of the many Americans recently laid off can't afford to help me, I support what Obama is doing & I am grateful. Sometimes all I can do is just SMH at this country. :roll:
AMEN - I totally agree :D
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Well, I am uninsured myself but I do NOT support what he is doing. He forced this health care plan on us and not alot of people are happy about the govt forcing ANYTHING on their people. Have you ever read the Constittution?
I find it weird that that NO ONE can seem to find his birth cert. He says he was born in Hawii but yet there is no record or him ever being born there....I find that odd. And you HAVE to be born in the USA to be a pres....no one can give the Americans proof that he was born here.
He wants to control everything...now he is trying to convince everyone that the govt needs to control the banks. Look up what happened with Goldmyn-Sachs last week. They were purposely selling their clients stocks they KNEW would tank and when they tanked..THEY made money....so now Obama is using this as his "in" to control the banks. This is only the beginning my friend.He is a LIAR. Hopefully someday you will see that.
And I could give a rats ass if hes half black.
And who blamed him for the economy? I certainly didnt.
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Well, I am uninsured myself but I do NOT support what he is doing. He forced this health care plan on us and not alot of people are happy about the govt forcing ANYTHING on their people. Have you ever read the Constittution?
I find it weird that that NO ONE can seem to find his birth cert. He says he was born in Hawii but yet there is no record or him ever being born there....I find that odd. And you HAVE to be born in the USA to be a pres....no one can give the Americans proof that he was born here.
He wants to control everything...now he is trying to convince everyone that the govt needs to control the banks. Look up what happened with Goldmyn-Sachs last week. They were purposely selling their clients stocks they KNEW would tank and when they tanked..THEY made money....so now Obama is using this as his "in" to control the banks. This is only the beginning my friend.He is a LIAR. Hopefully someday you will see that.
And I could give a rats ass if hes half black.
And who blamed him for the economy? I certainly didnt.
I dont agree with you - why are U being so hostile ? its all for L.O.V.E. Remember ?
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Obama is trying to FIX the healthcare system to make healthcare more accessible to EVERYONE. That's a good thing in my book. & he is now trying to fix things so that same sex couples have the same rights as other couples when it comes to one partner being in the hospital, etc. That is also a good thing. People who don't want change, don't like him because he is changing things, but as far as I can see none of it is bad. What's bad is starting a pointless war in Afghanistan after a terrorist attack that could have been prevented. Obama didn't ruin the economy, that was already in progress before he was elected. When are people going to wake up & stop blaming him for Bush's mistakes? :roll: As far as I'm concerned, he's doing good not bad. He's HALF black & he's a democrat, let's all throw stones. He was born on an island & his father was African, let's give him grief & say he's not really a US citizen. Because someone who wasn't a US citizen would really be elected president without that being checked out first. :roll: Give me a break. As one of the many Americans without health insurance because I am a student & simply can't afford it & my single mom who is one of the many Americans recently laid off can't afford to help me, I support what Obama is doing & I am grateful. Sometimes all I can do is just SMH at this country. :roll:
From what you wrote I am under the impression you think the government healthcare will be free. It will not be free. You will be required by law to purchase healthcare, whether it be thru the government or a private healthcare provider. It is unconstitutional for the government to require us to purchase anything! As a student most college institutions offer healthcare for students who do not have coverage at a minimal cost, which would be a lot cheaper than purchasing the government healthcare. As a result of the passing of this bill healthcare will skyrocket in price and will be harder to find appropriate care. There was a poll taken in the state of Georgia of how many family practice doctors approved of this bill. Over 40% said that in 2014 when it goes into effect they will give up practicing medicine because they will not be able to afford to do so. They have also included student loans in this bill. Up to this point the gov. subsidized bank loans to students at a low interest rate. With the government now taking over the loans the interest rate is also expected to sky rocket. That means many people will no longer be able to afford a college education. It is also written into the bill that the president has the right to call any medical professional into military service at any time. Right now the draft is not in effect in this country, however medical personal are not exempt from this. There are many other outrageous "attachments" to this bill that have absolutely nothing to do with healthcare. It is unconstitutional for the congress and the president to pass a bill that 60% of the people oppose.
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Obama is trying to FIX the healthcare system to make healthcare more accessible to EVERYONE. That's a good thing in my book. & he is now trying to fix things so that same sex couples have the same rights as other couples when it comes to one partner being in the hospital, etc. That is also a good thing. People who don't want change, don't like him because he is changing things, but as far as I can see none of it is bad. What's bad is starting a pointless war in Afghanistan after a terrorist attack that could have been prevented. Obama didn't ruin the economy, that was already in progress before he was elected. When are people going to wake up & stop blaming him for Bush's mistakes? :roll: As far as I'm concerned, he's doing good not bad. He's HALF black & he's a democrat, let's all throw stones. He was born on an island & his father was African, let's give him grief & say he's not really a US citizen. Because someone who wasn't a US citizen would really be elected president without that being checked out first. :roll: Give me a break. As one of the many Americans without health insurance because I am a student & simply can't afford it & my single mom who is one of the many Americans recently laid off can't afford to help me, I support what Obama is doing & I am grateful. Sometimes all I can do is just SMH at this country. :roll:
From what you wrote I am under the impression you think the government healthcare will be free. It will not be free. You will be required by law to purchase healthcare, whether it be thru the government or a private healthcare provider. It is unconstitutional for the government to require us to purchase anything! As a student most college institutions offer healthcare for students who do not have coverage at a minimal cost, which would be a lot cheaper than purchasing the government healthcare. As a result of the passing of this bill healthcare will skyrocket in price and will be harder to find appropriate care. There was a poll taken in the state of Georgia of how many family practice doctors approved of this bill. Over 40% said that in 2014 when it goes into effect they will give up practicing medicine because they will not be able to afford to do so. They have also included student loans in this bill. Up to this point the gov. subsidized bank loans to students at a low interest rate. With the government now taking over the loans the interest rate is also expected to sky rocket. That means many people will no longer be able to afford a college education. It is also written into the bill that the president has the right to call any medical professional into military service at any time. Right now the draft is not in effect in this country, however medical personal are not exempt from this. There are many other outrageous "attachments" to this bill that have absolutely nothing to do with healthcare. It is unconstitutional for the congress and the president to pass a bill that 60% of the people oppose.
I attend a community college & the only healthcare insurance they offer is for international students. So I an American attending an American school am screwed. I know it's not going to be free, but it will be more affordable? Right? Maybe I don't know much about the bill/healthcare thing, I probably need to do some research. I want to be on Obama's side but I admit, I am a little iffy.
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@tienne21...My son is in college also. He just finished writing a paper on the healthcare bill. He called me and told me all that was in the bill after viewing it on line. I was appalled. To me the most outrageous part of this whole thing was the president and speaker Polosi made statements that it would be better to pass the bill without revealing what was in it because the US citizens would find it to complicated to understand! They made the statement they wanted to pass the bill and then explain it to the people. I find this arrogance disgusting!!!
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Tiene,
Im so sorry if I seemed hostile earlier...its because I am when it comes to Obama. I am NOT hostile towrads you. Please forgive me if it seemed so. I just get SO extremely angry with our govt nowadays.
When I was in high school back in the 80's there was nothing to worry about. Now though, we need to worry about wether there will be social security when we get old.
Did you also know that you will be forced to pay a fine of up to $695 if you do NOT get this new insurance? I am also still paying back my student loans and THAT has been added in to the healthcare plan? They passed this bill without ANY kind of plan in place at all...which means it leaves them the option to pass ANYTHING they want and we cant do a damn thing about it. They are going to cut Medicaid as well and I dont know about you but that kinda scares me. My parents rely on Medicaid for all of the healthcare needs and now they will have to forgo some doctor visits. And my parents arent exactly healthy individuals. My father cant even afford his breathing meds as it is right now so what will this new healthcare do for him? It will cut his plan. Its very hard watchng my father gasp for air because he cant afford his meds. I help when I can but I cant help all the time.
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@Jacksonologist....I am sorry to hear about your parents health. I will pray for them. Don't get discouraged! There is an election coming up in November. Things can change in a day. Fourteen states have filed a law suit against the federal government for passing this bill. More states are expected to follow suit. The Health Commissioner for the state of Georgia has written a letter to congress stating "The state of Georgia respectfully declines the health care bill and will not implement it in this state." (We'll see how this goes over, lol.) I was thinking about all that is going on late last night. I feel like it is time to move past frustration and fear and move over into resolve and determination. Just as Voight said in the tape....We can and will prevail.
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@tienne21...My son is in college also. He just finished writing a paper on the healthcare bill. He called me and told me all that was in the bill after viewing it on line. I was appalled. To me the most outrageous part of this whole thing was the president and speaker Polosi made statements that it would be better to pass the bill without revealing what was in it because the US citizens would find it to complicated to understand! They made the statement they wanted to pass the bill and then explain it to the people. I find this arrogance disgusting!!!
Wow. That is disgusting :evil: I am not very informed about what's going on with politics, the healthcare bill, etc as I should be as an American. I seem to find out something new everyday.
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Tiene,
Im so sorry if I seemed hostile earlier...its because I am when it comes to Obama. I am NOT hostile towrads you. Please forgive me if it seemed so. I just get SO extremely angry with our govt nowadays.
When I was in high school back in the 80's there was nothing to worry about. Now though, we need to worry about wether there will be social security when we get old.
Did you also know that you will be forced to pay a fine of up to $695 if you do NOT get this new insurance? I am also still paying back my student loans and THAT has been added in to the healthcare plan? They passed this bill without ANY kind of plan in place at all...which means it leaves them the option to pass ANYTHING they want and we cant do a damn thing about it. They are going to cut Medicaid as well and I dont know about you but that kinda scares me. My parents rely on Medicaid for all of the healthcare needs and now they will have to forgo some doctor visits. And my parents arent exactly healthy individuals. My father cant even afford his breathing meds as it is right now so what will this new healthcare do for him? It will cut his plan. Its very hard watchng my father gasp for air because he cant afford his meds. I help when I can but I cant help all the time.
I understand, I wasn't offended or anything. Politics is a very heated topic, many different views. I actually had heard about them cutting Medicaid a little while ago but I never looked into it. That pisses me off. My grandma also relies on Medicaid & she has Diabetes. SO I'm glad you reiterated that to me. As of right now she gets her meds she needs but idk what's going to happen if that is allowed to happen? That freaks me out. I'm so sorry to hear about what's going on with your parents. That completely disgusts me. I'm actually scared, they are passing things like this without informing us, so that we are unaware. I don't even want to think about what else is going on that we aren't informed about. I'm glad you are telling me this, I feel dumb for not looking into it myself, it's crazy. Thank you.
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[youtube:3s85l7u2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVzDztPno-Y[/youtube:3s85l7u2]
This is what you folks sound like. :D
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[youtube:1etgwtt9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVzDztPno-Y[/youtube:1etgwtt9]
This is what you folks sound like. :D
So what? And I personally never said he was ruining the economy.....That was on its way when Bushit was in office.
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@Shamone...I never claimed to be a member of the tea party. I am just concerned about the direction the country is going. This thread has been a friendly discussion without bashing. Please don't start. If you have something to add to the discussion of the bill or any other piece of legislation that has been passed during this administration please post it.
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Here is some food for thought:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36629520 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36629520)
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As someone not from the U.S. why is John Voight so against Obama? From an outsiders point of view Obama seems like a good guy, what happened? When Obama was elected I can say in my country the majority if not all people were thrilled and felt a dark cloud was lifted.
Really? I felt the complete opposite when he was elected.
Why did they feel this way in your country?
To me, Obama is nothing but a terrorist...period. I still do not understand why people voted for him...I really honestly cannot.
I agree, Obama is the same as George Bush only he has a different face and is an illusion to most of the people over the world, he's a false prophet. He is only a puppet to the Illuminati/NWO.
But is John Voight doing this for really the truth, is he on our side? Because he says join the tea-party people and I have a feeling that when they try to demonize us (the truth seekers) the first people who will be blamed as terrorists are the tea-party people. I have a feeling that the tea-party group was set up as a clone of us so that they could demonize the people who speak the truth even more. Am I making a little sense here? :lol: The tea-party people are not on our side.
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Here is some food for thought:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36629520 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36629520)
Wow! Thanks for posting that. It has gone up 18% just since last week. The democrats are so far out touch with what the American people want! Or maybe they see it and just don't care. They want to ram everything thru with what little time they have left in office.
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Here is some food for thought:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36629520 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36629520)
Wow! Thanks for posting that. It has gone up 18% just since last week. The democrats are so far out touch with what the American people want! Or maybe they see it and just don't care. They want to ram everything thru with what little time they have left in office.
Oh trust me...they do not care. Im sure theyve all been paid off VERY well to pass the healthcare. They know theyre not getting elected again.
The main guy...cant think of his name right now, who is the main one that tried to get this passed...announced he wasnt running again a few weeks ago. Isnt that special?
Why was it SO CRUCIAL for him to get this done and then he retires????? very odd I say.
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It's odd indeed. I think his name is Bart Stupak. He seemed a disconcerted in the interview I saw him do after the bill passed like he was very uncomfortable. It my opinion that he had his arm twisted to vote for this bill. I also find it amazing that the article you posted was from MSNBC. They are very liberal in their political views. Maybe they are seeing they are on a road to nowhere.
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Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are the two that actually spearheaded the healthcare bill. Bart Stupak is a democrat that was not going to vote for the bill because it supports paying for abortions. They did not have time on a Sunday evening to change the wording of the bill, so the president tells him he will sign an Executive Order stating that abortions will not be covered by the bill. The thing is the law out trumps an executive order though, and is not worth the paper it is written on if it is contrary to an existing law. Stupak literally skirmed when this was pointed out to him. It stinks like fish!
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It's odd indeed. I think his name is Bart Stupak. He seemed a disconcerted in the interview I saw him do after the bill passed like he was very uncomfortable. It my opinion that he had his arm twisted to vote for this bill. I also find it amazing that the article you posted was from MSNBC. They are very liberal in their political views. Maybe they are seeing they are on a road to nowhere.
Stupak!! Thats his name. Thank you.
...and yes msnbc surprised me with posting this too.......Im guessing in the past few months, alot of people are starting to see the light.
Sorry, I thought he was the ring leader along with Pelosi and Reid.
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That's a good one, lol.
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@MJLover...I am not sure which side you are talking about. I know most of the tea party people are against the NWO, but I cannot say I have heard them speak about it. Jon Voight has spoken at tea party conventions and also republican conventions. You can find them on Youtube and watch them. He is pretty straight forward with what he says. Watch them and make your own conclusions. Hope this helps.
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@MJLover...I am not sure which side you are talking about. I know most of the tea party people are against the NWO, but I cannot say I have heard them speak about it. Jon Voight has spoken at tea party conventions and also republican conventions. You can find them on Youtube and watch them. He is pretty straight forward with what he says. Watch them and make your own conclusions. Hope this helps.
Well I mean the tea party people, what if they have been put out by the Illuminati/NWO so that when they can demonize them because they are againsts the NWO they can also demonize us the people who are againsts the Illuminati/NWO but who are not part of the tea party. I see it as a way to get us the people who are against the Illuminati/NWO together and swoop them up when it's time.
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@MJLover...The tea party is an independant party that recently formed because they do not like the direction the democrats or the republicans were taking this country. Most of them are doctors, lawyers, judges, healthcare professionals and people who are concerned about what is happening. They fundamentally believe in the Constitution and freedom. They are the most outspoken about what is happening right now. The democrats in office are focusing all of their attention on discrediting them, calling them ignorant illiterates that are hate mongers. Most of them are good hard working people and are not the villans the democrats are making them out to be. As of yet, they do not have a designated leader.
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I understand what you mean, but what if they are the ones who will be demonized as terrorists first. Us truth seekers are always labeled as crazy and dangerous. But when the Illuminati/NWO can make people ''believe'' that people like tea party who are against the government and their plans are terrorists, we who are not part of the tea party but think the same as they do will be seen as terrorists too then. They are demonizing us that's all I'm saying. I'm making it really complicated and diffecult but I can't express what I think in my head at the moment. That is why I say I hope I make a little sense. :lol:
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I understand what you mean, but what if they are the ones who will be demonized as terrorists first. Us truth seekers are always labeled as crazy and dangerous. But when the Illuminati/NWO can make people ''believe'' that people like tea party who are against the government and their plans are terrorists, we who are not part of the tea party but think the same as they do will be seen as terrorists too then. They are demonizing us that's all I'm saying. I'm making it really complicated and diffecult but I can't express what I think in my head at the moment. That is why I say I hope I make a little sense. :lol:
I understand what you are saying. Each one of us must stand up for what we believe, whether they lump us all together or not. We must be true to what we believe, if not who are we? Don't be afraid. God did not fall off his thrown because Obama took office. He is still God and He is in control. Rest in that peace.
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I understand what you mean, but what if they are the ones who will be demonized as terrorists first. Us truth seekers are always labeled as crazy and dangerous. But when the Illuminati/NWO can make people ''believe'' that people like tea party who are against the government and their plans are terrorists, we who are not part of the tea party but think the same as they do will be seen as terrorists too then. They are demonizing us that's all I'm saying. I'm making it really complicated and diffecult but I can't express what I think in my head at the moment. That is why I say I hope I make a little sense. :lol:
I understand what you are saying. Each one of us must stand up for what we believe, whether they lump us all together or not. We must be true to what we believe, if not who are we? Don't be afraid. God did not fall off his thrown because Obama took office. He is still God and He is in control. Rest in that peace.
Absolutely, and I believe and love God and I have all my trust and faith in him. The elite's clock is ticking and their time is running out and they know it. More people are waking up to the truth and the elite's days are numbered. Truth shall prevail and L.O.V.E will take over the world. :mrgreen:
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@Shamone...I never claimed to be a member of the tea party. I am just concerned about the direction the country is going. This thread has been a friendly discussion without bashing. Please don't start. If you have something to add to the discussion of the bill or any other piece of legislation that has been passed during this administration please post it.
No, this thread has not been friendly, the original letter isn't friendly if you catch my drift. And no one has been bashed except for a U.S. president. I'll kindly leave this thread to the paranoid among us.
Y'all have fun. Toodles.
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@Shamone...I never claimed to be a member of the tea party. I am just concerned about the direction the country is going. This thread has been a friendly discussion without bashing. Please don't start. If you have something to add to the discussion of the bill or any other piece of legislation that has been passed during this administration please post it.
No, this thread has not been friendly, the original letter isn't friendly if you catch my drift. And no one has been bashed except for a U.S. president. I'll kindly leave this thread to the paranoid among us.
Y'all have fun. Toodles.
Paranoid? We're just simply stating reality...that is all.
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Alaska just announced they have joined the law suit against the federal government. It is up to 20 states now sueing the government.
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Alaska now too huh? Lets see what happenes. BUT in the meantime...we can all watch this:
http://video.pbs.org/video/1468710007/ (http://video.pbs.org/video/1468710007/)
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Thanks for posting the video. That is one I have not seen. I find it interesting that the person in charge of the interests for the insurance companies was the one insisting that healthcare be made manditory. Since when does someone who has no background in law get to dictate what should be in a major bill to passed by congress. I knew this whole thing was corrupt but did not realize how bad it was! I have not watched the full video but will try to finish it today.
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Thanks for posting the video. That is one I have not seen. I find it interesting that the person in charge of the interests for the insurance companies was the one insisting that healthcare be made manditory. Since when does someone who has no background in law get to dictate what should be in a major bill to passed by congress. I knew this whole thing was corrupt but did not realize how bad it was! I have not watched the full video but will try to finish it today.
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You knwo what? I initially thought that Obama was a good guy..But as each second passes that thought proves to be more and more erroneous.
Apart from the lack of transparency in the healthcare bill, I as an Indian citizen am utterly disgusted at the fact that the USA STILL renders UNCONDITIONAL financial support to a country like Pakistan----where terrorrists are trained like race horses.....He kees saying that al that money is to "HELP" the Pakistani administration "FIGHT" terrorrism, but you know what guys? Living here in India, any man with a rational head on his shoulders will admit that terrorrism has been a part of Pakistan's state policy for DEACDES.....Cross border infiltration into India by Pakistan trained terrorrists didnt start yesterday...It has been going on since 1948.
For deacdes the US has been siding with Pakistan for some odd reason...I dunno...probably they thought that it wasnt their share of the shit.....But when the 9/11 bombings happened, everyone on America realised that the Afghanistan and Pakistan situation had to be dealt with........But they only made it worse...
I really dont understand that why Obama like Bush, keeps avoiding the Paksitan topic nad keeps giving a whole lot of the taxpayers money to them.
Can you guys imagine? 300 billion dollars.....YES!!!! THATS THE AMOUNT THAT PAKISTAN GOT LAST TIME TO "FIGHT" TERRORRISM....AND WHAT HAVE THEY DONE ABOUT IT? NOTHING. On 26th of November 2008, 10 terrorrists conducted an attack on the city of Mumbai....killing 184 people including 4 Americans and an entire Jewish family......And since then India has got NAILING evidence to prove that those terrorrists were from Pakistan and so far hae handed out 7 dossiers to the Pakistani GOVT, regarding the evidence..But even after 2 years, NO ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN...INSPITE OF THIS, USA KEEPS GOING SOFT ON PAKISTAN. To make things more specific, 1 of the terrorrists were captured alive....And he confessed that he wa TRAINED IN PAKISTAN.
Had Obama been giving that amount of money to an African nation, the whole of Africa would have been ridden of poverty by today...But no..he wont. WHY? Because he WANTS that these terrorrist organisations spread their wings to these African countries because the youth there have no future..simply nothing. They have been MIRED in poverty for decades and they know that they are frustrated and so, its easy for these terrorrist organisations to brainwash the angry youth and lure them into their world full of blood and gore.
Dont you guys find it a bit odd taht inspite of having all these thousands of UAVs and spy satellites hovering above Asia, the US govt couldnt really get to Osama Bin Laden to this day? And if the book written by his bodyguards is to be believed, that man is hiding in Pakistan at this point of time......Yet Pakistan never has to answer for all their atroicites.Its an open secret by mow that Obama's policies are failing when it comes to the Afghanistan and Pakistan scene.....ANY analyst would say that.
Its odd that the country that claims to be waging a war o terror itself unconditionally supports a country that churns out terrorrists like a large scale industry.....
And heres another thing....why is it that all the weapons granted to Pakistan by the USA are INDIA--SPECIFIC?......Most of the arms deals that Pakistan engages in are focused on strengthening the military arsenal against India rather than against the terrorrists....[attachment=0:1jou80yy]012.jpg[/attachment:1jou80yy]
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Well Dr Death...after I stop staring at your sig....They cant find Bin Laden because they dont WANT to!!!
Im glad that you posted what you did....I didnt know all of that...I had heard some things but you just educated me more. Thank you.
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Bin Laden's real name was actually Tim Osman and he worked for the CIA. He was in good contact with Zbignew Brzezinski.
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Bin Laden's real name was actually Tim Osman and he worked for the CIA. He was in good contact with Zbignew Brzezinski.
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I read about that here.....very interesting huh?
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@MJLover...Wow, I had never seen that before. They never wanted Bin Laden or whoever he is. They just wanted to get into Iraq to go after Hossein. I am really fed up with the lies we have been told.
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Dr. Death thanks for the info. I have not really kept up on what has been going on in Africa. I have been consumed with the stuff that is going on here. It's enough to make your head reel!
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@MJLover...Wow, I had never seen that before. They never wanted Bin Laden or whoever he is. They just wanted to get into Iraq to go after Hossein. I am really fed up with the lies we have been told.
Me too. This thread is turning out to be very interesting. Each day I hear more crap and it literally just makes me wanna hurl. Its disgusting....and people have no idea.
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@MJLover...Wow, I had never seen that before. They never wanted Bin Laden or whoever he is. They just wanted to get into Iraq to go after Hossein. I am really fed up with the lies we have been told.
Me too. This thread is turning out to be very interesting. Each day I hear more crap and it literally just makes me wanna hurl. Its disgusting....and people have no idea.
I agree and know how you feel, you just want to do more but you can't. I wish that with our conciousness we could make other people aware and awakened, wouldn't that be nice? :(
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@MJLover...Wow, I had never seen that before. They never wanted Bin Laden or whoever he is. They just wanted to get into Iraq to go after Hossein. I am really fed up with the lies we have been told.
Me too. This thread is turning out to be very interesting. Each day I hear more crap and it literally just makes me wanna hurl. Its disgusting....and people have no idea.
I agree and know how you feel, you just want to do more but you can't. I wish that with our conciousness we could make other people aware and awakened, wouldn't that be nice? :(
We can pray for them to wake up. That is what I have been doing for months for our nation. It seems to be working. There are more people aware of what is going on politically in the US than I have seen in years!
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@MJLover...Wow, I had never seen that before. They never wanted Bin Laden or whoever he is. They just wanted to get into Iraq to go after Hossein. I am really fed up with the lies we have been told.
Me too. This thread is turning out to be very interesting. Each day I hear more crap and it literally just makes me wanna hurl. Its disgusting....and people have no idea.
I agree and know how you feel, you just want to do more but you can't. I wish that with our conciousness we could make other people aware and awakened, wouldn't that be nice? :(
We can pray for them to wake up. That is what I have been doing for months for our nation. It seems to be working. There are more people aware of what is going on politically in the US than I have seen in years!
I'm praying as well, I believe in the power of praying. But when people become aware they have to learn so much about how they have been manipulated. You can't learn all this in one day. So they have a whole new life in front of them.
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Every day, I try to talk to at least one more person about all of this and about waking up to what is really going on in this world. Just one person X 365 days X whoever they speak to is going to multiply faster than you can imagine! I also give them a link to prisonplanet.com for all the information they could ever read. And when they respond about "we can't win"... I say "oh yes we can" ... "it's called the law of vibrational energy and positive thinking" and "use that third eye that we all have" just concentrate everyone ... or pray! :mrgreen:
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People are still questioning Obama's right to govern without producing proof of citizenship. In light of this the State of Arizona has passed this bill.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04 ... latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/22/arizona-house-oks-requiring-presidential-candidates-provide-birth-certificate/?test=latestnews)
Arizona House OKs Bill Requiring Presidential Candidates to Provide Birth Certificate
FOXNews.com
The Arizona House approved a bill Wednesday that would require presidential candidates
to show his or her birth certificate in order to be on the state's ballot.
PHOENIX -- The Arizona House approved a bill Wednesday that would require presidential candidates to show his or her birth certificate in order to be on the state's ballot.
The House approved the measure on a 31-29 vote after four Republicans joined all of the Democrats in opposing it. The measure still faces a Senate vote.
It would require U.S. presidential candidates who want to appear on the Arizona ballot to submit documents proving they meet the constitutional requirements to be president.
So-called "birthers" have contended since the 2008 presidential campaign that President Obama was born abroad, even after his official Hawaii birth certificate was made public along with birth notices that two Honolulu newspapers
published in August 1961.
The Constitution says a person must be a "natural-born citizen" to be eligible for the presidency. Skeptics suggest Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate is fake and say he was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland.
Supporters of the Arizona measure say it would help settle the controversy.
"I support this measure in order to remove this as any type of issue in the future," said Rep. Cecil Ash, R-Mesa.
Opponents say it's a waste of time that makes Arizona mocked by the rest of the country.
"I am ashamed that this is even a topic of discussion," said Rep. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Phoenix.
The measure would require the secretary of state to review candidates' documents and withhold a candidate from the ballot if he has "reasonable cause" to believe ineligibility.
Courts have rebuffed lawsuits challenging Obama's eligibility to be president, but the issue hasn't gone away