Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Hoax Pictures => Topic started by: jill on April 10, 2010, 10:10:31 AM
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Michael Jackson -- Casket Mystery Solved
Originally posted 10 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
It's the answer to the question you were kinda curious about, then forgot about, but now you're like "Holy cow, I really wanna know -- how did Michael Jackson's body seemingly disappear after his memorial, only to reappear at the cemetery?"
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/04/10/photo-credit-2.jpg)
On July 7, 2009 the Staples Center memorial was held in front of thousands of people in downtown L.A. -- Jackson's body was ensconced in a $25,000 red casket.
After the memorial, although hundreds of cameras and thousands of eyes were trained on the exits, no one saw any evidence that the casket left the building. It fueled a grassy knoll-type theory that Jackson's body wasn't really inside the casket and maybe he was still alive.
Finally, our spies have come clean. Jackson's body did indeed arrive in a hearse, but it left in a SWAT van. The van was driven to a secret location, where it rendezvoused with a Forest Lawn van -- which then transported the body to the cemetery without being noticed.
You're welcome.
Notice it says RED casket instead of Gold! Misprint or on purpose???? Are they trying to get us to take another look at the casket? I know there were 2 different ones for the memorial and one for the funeral. Anyone have those pics?
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:lol: :lol: RIP or Still Alive? :lol: :lol:
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Ok, so they are rehashing all old news that already has answers...what does this mean? Sleuthers time to do some work! :P
edit to add...OMG I just looked at the pic you have above, did they really post his legs under the casket??? :lol: MJ is not only a Moonwalker he is now a Casketwalker as well!!!! :lol:
lol, edited again to ask; where does it say 'red' casket? Oops, just saw it...lol sorry going back for coffee now...omg I need to wake up before posting :oops: !
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It fueled a grassy knoll-type theory that Jackson's body wasn't really inside the casket and maybe he was still alive.
Maybe ... ?? bvaahahahah :mrgreen:
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This is hillarious.
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i have to admit.... that pic is genius :lol:
but he did walk out of the memorial didnt he ... :lol: ;)
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This ain't real is typed uderneath the picture. How true TMZ. We KNOW it ain't real cause it's a HOAX
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TMZ is so funny lately..... I dont know if they are kicking our asses, with the poll.
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HAHAHAHA! That picture is adorable, LOL! Little sneak!
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That picture is hilarious!
a.k.a THIS AIN'T REAL :lol: :lol:
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This is really funny! :lol: Thanks for sharing.
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Michael Jackson
* 60%RIP
* 40%Still alive
Total Votes: 12,956
around 5000 people voted still alive, there are many people having FAITH.
Keep the faith ;).
Peace.
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What picture ? I can't see anything ! And Tmz is blocked for me !
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Well finally TMZ think they found out where Michael went... :lol: dead or alive
Good thing is that they appear -eventhough not in the open- to be investigating every option
Seems as if this has been occupying their minds quite a bit...
Still alive 39%.. Of 12000 total votes
That's a LOT
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as I have already posted on another thread: "The Eyes Have It" means - those who vote yes - win ;)
maybe we just have to outvote all of non-believers here ;)
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I sincerely hope TMZ are not playing with emotions... Michaels death (if its real) is not something to play with, make fun of or use to toy with peoples very real grief and emotions.
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@DancingTheDream: it appears from this article they are openminded on this (albeit not publically), just as many of us are.
It may be a good thing they are investigating this option as well, unless it would jeopardize Michael's savety
44% alive now out of 18000 votes
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sorry, this brings me much laughter, ... :lol:
The voting is true of those who think that living is increasing :lol:
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O.k ..I saw the picture >thanks to seeing clues ....And LOL its funny !!
44% alive now out of 18000 votes
thats only the percentage of people that can vote...Like myself , tmz is blocked ..So I can't vote and I think a few members here have the same problem ..... :|
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O.k ..I saw the picture >thanks to seeing clues ....And LOL its funny !!
44% alive now out of 18000 votes
thats only the percentage of people that can vote...Like myself , tmz is blocked ..So I can't vote and I think a few members here have the same problem ..... :|
Blocked? That is strange...any idea how come?
I copied the vote-link, see if this works for you:
http://cdn.polls.telepicturestv.com/pol ... cil_id=201 (http://cdn.polls.telepicturestv.com/polls/9532/iframe?stencil_id=201)
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48 % now :)))
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O.k ..I saw the picture >thanks to seeing clues ....And LOL its funny !!
44% alive now out of 18000 votes
thats only the percentage of people that can vote...Like myself , tmz is blocked ..So I can't vote and I think a few members here have the same problem ..... :|
Blocked? That is strange...any idea how come?
I don't know ! I used to visit it, but suddenly I couldn't anymore ...
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48 % now !
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O.k ..I saw the picture >thanks to seeing clues ....And LOL its funny !!
44% alive now out of 18000 votes
thats only the percentage of people that can vote...Like myself , tmz is blocked ..So I can't vote and I think a few members here have the same problem ..... :|
Blocked? That is strange...any idea how come?
I don't know ! I used to visit it, but suddenly I couldn't anymore ...
It could be something in your browser settings perhaps?
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@DancingTheDream: it appears from this article they are openminded on this (albeit not publically), just as many of us are.
It may be a good thing they are investigating this option as well, unless it would jeopardize Michael's savety
44% alive now out of 18000 votes
I hope so.. i just dont want them to turn Michael Jackson and his fans into a joke. Know what i mean?
I love Michael.. and he deserves respect. :D
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It could be something in your browser settings perhaps?
I don't think so , other members from the Arabic forum have the same problem ..Maybe its blocked in Saudia Arabia ...I don't know ..But I check my settings ..
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its now 50-50 :lol:
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Michael Jackson -- Casket Mystery Solved
Originally posted 10 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
It's the answer to the question you were kinda curious about, then forgot about, but now you're like "Holy cow, I really wanna know -- how did Michael Jackson's body seemingly disappear after his memorial, only to reappear at the cemetery?"
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/04/10/photo-credit-2.jpg)
On July 7, 2009 the Staples Center memorial was held in front of thousands of people in downtown L.A. -- Jackson's body was ensconced in a $25,000 red casket.
After the memorial, although hundreds of cameras and thousands of eyes were trained on the exits, no one saw any evidence that the casket left the building. It fueled a grassy knoll-type theory that Jackson's body wasn't really inside the casket and maybe he was still alive.
Finally, our spies have come clean. Jackson's body did indeed arrive in a hearse, but it left in a SWAT van. The van was driven to a secret location, where it rendezvoused with a Forest Lawn van -- which then transported the body to the cemetery without being noticed.
You're welcome.
Notice it says RED casket instead of Gold! Misprint or on purpose????
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Um wow...this is hilarious! :lol: First of all why would MJ's body need to be taken away in a SWAT van? Yes, MJ is VERY VERY VERY important. But higher security than normal would do. :lol: :lol: And MJ's body wasn't in the casket because he never died. I find it interesting too that they have a poll if people think he's dead or not. Wow...TMZ always has something up their sleeves...smh! :roll:
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Not anymore
[attachment=0:1mqywjmf]poll.jpg[/attachment:1mqywjmf]
The standings are still the same at this time but the votes are 29,197 :)
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Michael Jackson
49%RIP
51%Still alive
:? :?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
THIS SO FUNNY
im sorry its the funniest Tmz post...and at the end "youre werlcome"
well thanx TMZ!!
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TMZ dont usually post on a Saturday or Sunday either.. :?
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:lol: :lol: :lol: the picture is hilarious ! Michael walking in his coffin... :lol: :lol: :lol:
TMZ.com composite (aka THIS AIN'T REAL) I can't believe it TMZ !! Thank you Michael !
51% believe Michael is still alive now...
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30,000 votes now standings still the same.
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TMZ dont usually post on a Saturday or Sunday either.. :?
they probably didnt wanna exlain it on TMZ Live LOL!!
and hope ppl will 4get about it on monday...
I dunno... they rarely post on saturday and sunday but Harvey and sometimes mike always say they were working all weekend....
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Michael Jackson -- Casket Mystery Solved
Originally posted 10 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
It's the answer to the question you were kinda curious about, then forgot about, but now you're like "Holy cow, I really wanna know -- how did Michael Jackson's body seemingly disappear after his memorial, only to reappear at the cemetery?"
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/04/10/photo-credit-2.jpg)
On July 7, 2009 the Staples Center memorial was held in front of thousands of people in downtown L.A. -- Jackson's body was ensconced in a $25,000 red casket.
After the memorial, although hundreds of cameras and thousands of eyes were trained on the exits, no one saw any evidence that the casket left the building. It fueled a grassy knoll-type theory that Jackson's body wasn't really inside the casket and maybe he was still alive.
Finally, our spies have come clean. Jackson's body did indeed arrive in a hearse, but it left in a SWAT van. The van was driven to a secret location, where it rendezvoused with a Forest Lawn van -- which then transported the body to the cemetery without being noticed.
You're welcome.
Notice it says RED casket instead of Gold! Misprint or on purpose????[/quote
That they wrote
" maybe he was still alive " first time they definetly wrote this !
Food for the hoax....mhhhhh.... :lol:
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Michael Jackson
48%RIP
52%Still alive
Total Votes: 32,137
Note on Poll Results
Copied and pasted :)
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OMG !!! This is exciting !!
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Look at the poll...pretty close actually. There ARE more believers out there!!! Hurray!
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My favourite article so far !
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I have been thinking that they may have posted the casket beinhg RED instead of GOLD because they want us to look into the fact that there were two different caskets used. The one for the memorial is different from the one for the funeral. I do not have these photos. If anyone out there has them could you please post them for us???
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This is so funny :lol: ...ODD :shock: but funny :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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52% alive now :D :D
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and piece by piece _______ .
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Michael Jackson
* 60%RIP
* 40%Still alive
Total Votes: 12,956
around 5000 people voted still alive, there are many people having FAITH.
Keep the faith ;).
Peace.
...And that is only among those that voted. I haven't voted which means that 40% is probably higher.
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Michael Jackson
47%RIP
53%Still alive
Total Votes: 38,248
Note on Poll Results
This is what it is now. :)
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OMG !! xDD a pic is so amazing!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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47%RIP
53%Still alive
Total Votes: 40,368
Now. :)
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47%RIP
53%Still alive
Total Votes: 40,368
Now. :)
i just voted too.. ;)
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47%RIP
53%Still alive
Total Votes: 43,946
Now. :)
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47%RIP
53%Still alive
Total Votes: 40,368
Now. :)
i just voted too.. ;)
+1 ;)
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Also, they posted a article about Andy Dick and a winery 26 minutes ago (as I am typing this) and they posted the Michael one 7:53 AM this morning but then they moved the MJ one to the top of the home page. Just something I noticed. Nothing major about it. :)
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I just voted too!!!
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OMG OMG OMG !!!! :o :D :lol: :D
Im so happy , Its the first time TMZ is making allusion that MJ could still be alive!!!!
WOWWWWW
Something is coming for sure ...and tmz gonna say we told you first LOL :lol:
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Any of you noticed the picture of Michael they posted in the corner, holding his hand in front his mouth in awe
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Any of you noticed the picture of Michael they posted in the corner, holding his hand in front his face in awe
I did!! ;)
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I wonder why they mentioned a red casket in the article...Maybe a misprint but I have doubts...any thoughts on this guys???
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Probably some mix-up with the red roses
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OMG! :o :D
53% Still Alive
47% RIP
52,220 votes
THIS IS JUST GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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OMG OMG OMG !!!! :o :D :lol: :D
Im so happy , Its the first time TMZ is making allusion that MJ could still be alive!!!!
WOWWWWW
Something is coming for sure ...and tmz gonna say we told you first LOL :lol:
haha TMZ is always 1st on MJ news :)
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i just voted! this is hilarious!
the best note of TMZ!!! :D
"...still alive"
about the picture: the coffin can walk!!! and michael laughing on top of this picture, well... :lol:
51.452 votes now. 53% still alive!!!
why they moved this to the top of the page if after post this srticle they post another???
THIS ARE BIG NEWS!
;)
AND PIECE BY PIECE BY PIECE...
BIG THANK YOU TMZ!!! ;)
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i just voted! this is hilarious!
the best note of TMZ!!! :D
"...still alive"
about the picture: the coffin can walk!!! and michael laughing on top of this picture, well... :lol:
51.452 votes now. 53% still alive!!!
why they moved this to the top of the page if after post this srticle they post another???
THIS ARE BIG NEWS!
;)
AND PIECE BY PIECE BY PIECE...
BIG THANK YOU TMZ!!! ;)
Yeah, you're right MJs laughing on the top right hand corner :D THIS IS AMAZING!
THis brought me back to life after taking the ACT just a while ago I was falling asleep and then I saw this and I was like Whoa! :shock: WHAT?! :o HUH! OMG!!! :o :shock: :D
54,006 votes!!!!!
Same percentage
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In the left corner, up in the trees, in the pic from TMZ, there is sort of a face... :? God, I think I'm loosing it.
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In the left corner, up in the trees, in the pic from TMZ, there is sort of a face... :? God, I think I'm loosing it.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I LOVE YOU GUYS
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EVERYONE YOU CAN VOTE MULTIPLE TIMES! :D keep clicking on tmz homepage then go back to the story & the poll-
& it stands at 53% now ;)
even if there are some non-beLIEvers online lets try & vote more than once to make MJ (if he is still alive) realize that we love & support him no matter what & to maybe put some pressure on the family to say something against the hoax theories- cause its time they spoke up once and for all :shock:
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OMG STILL ALIVE
Michael Jackson
* 47% RIP
* 53% Still alive
Total Votes: 57,457
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Guys we went down to 52 We can't let that happen! KEEP VOTING!
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I wonder why they mentioned a red casket in the article...Maybe a misprint but I have doubts...any thoughts on this guys???
Red is the warmest of all colors. Red is the color most chosen by extroverts and one of the top picks of males. On the negative side red can mean temper or anger. In China, red is the color of prosperity and joy. Brides wear red and front doors are often painted red. Red is Tuesday's color. Red roses symbolize passionate love. Ruby rings should be worn on the left hand. Red is the color of Mars. This planet is known as the God of War.
Red Energy
Red is associated with fiery heat and warmth. It can also mean danger (burning).
Red is the color of blood, and as such has strong symbolism as life and vitality. It brings focus to the essence of life and living with emphasis on survival. Red is also the color of passion and lust.
Put some red in your life when you want:
* increased enthusiasm and interest
* more energy
* action and confidence to go after your dreams
* protection from fears and anxieties
http://crystal-cure.com/red.html (http://crystal-cure.com/red.html)
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In the left corner, up in the trees, in the pic from TMZ, there is sort of a face... :? God, I think I'm loosing it.
I can see it too...
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I hope this isn't a sick joke. Maybe TMZ started losing it's ratings and had to revert to what brought them fame in the 1st place-- MJ. They know that beLIEvers are watching them like hawks so.. i hope they aren't using us.
On the other hand, I can't help but feel ecstatic that the word is getting out! Something big is coming! And I want the truth, no matter what it is. We're so close, I can feel it. I'm beaming :-D
THIS IS IT.
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In this part of the TMZ picture we can see 2 faces. One seems to be the V for Vendetta mask. The other I don't know. What do you think am I going insane ? :roll:
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My god this is by far the best TMZ post ever! :lol: :lol: :lol:
And that pic of MJ they put up is that a behind the scenes picture of MJ???
Maybe red casket = a clue about the camera RED in the pic with MJ???
This voting thing they put up could that be to see how many of us are really out there???
So everybody keep voting! Don't let MJ die!!! :lol: 8-)
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If you vote lot of times we will never know the real opinion of people, the same about the comments.
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@DancingTheDream: it appears from this article they are openminded on this (albeit not publically), just as many of us are.
It may be a good thing they are investigating this option as well, unless it would jeopardize Michael's savety
44% alive now out of 18000 votes
I hope so.. i just dont want them to turn Michael Jackson and his fans into a joke. Know what i mean?
I love Michael.. and he deserves respect. :D
I know what u mean. A part of me thinks it would be impossible for Michael to still be here with us and therefore it's really difficult to know how to react to everything that is reported. Watching Janet on Oprah didn't make it better although I have no clue why they started discussing drug addiction since that's not really what "killed" Michael :? . And we've seen the kids out and about which to me would have to mean that Michael is still in the States if alive but where? Would it even be possible for him to hide for this long? Sorry for bringing these things up but I need to let it out...
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In this part of the TMZ picture we can see 2 faces. One seems to be the V for Vendetta mask. The other I don't know. What do you think am I going insane ? :roll:
Thank God ! Someone else can see it too :) I thought I was crazy ! No, I dont know what the other face means, it dont look familiar.
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Don't know what to think; if TMZ are in on the hoax this is superb if not its all a bit sick. :?
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Did you read the comments?
13. tmz you need to get a life you are a sorry news or whatever you suppose to be your mission in life is
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Harvey, shamone...
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/04/10/photo-credit-2.jpg) interesting they use this pic on the corner of the article. is that recent? who knows ;)
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I wonder why they mentioned a red casket in the article...Maybe a misprint but I have doubts...any thoughts on this guys???
Annie...I posted about the red casket on page 2. Take a look.
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In this part of the TMZ picture we can see 2 faces. One seems to be the V for Vendetta mask. The other I don't know. What do you think am I going insane ? :roll:
Thank God ! Someone else can see it too :) I thought I was crazy ! No, I dont know what the other face means, it dont look familiar.
saw it too :)
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Back to the double layer of the article.
I don't really know to make something out of the "knoll-type theory" statement.
I'll give it a try:
"Knoll type" seems to be attributed to "in the style of" design furniture (home and office).
Knoll is recognized as a worldwide design leader.
So the hoax theory is designed, stylish, global and leading.
Nice, TMZ, thx for the flowers ;)
So hoaxers are better off than TMZ - we are worldwide leaders and stylish. :lol:
Then TMZ wants to sell us a spy story...
"Finally, our spies have come clean.
Jackson's body did indeed arrive in a hearse, but it left in a SWAT van"
http://www.lapdonline.org/metropolitan_division/content_basic_view/849
[History of S.W.A.T.
The special weapons and tactics concept originated in the late 1960s as a result of several sniping incidents against civilians and police officers around the country. Many of these incidents occurred in Los Angeles during and after the Watts Riot. Upon critical examination of how each incident was managed by police, the leadership of the LAPD realized that an effective response to these dangerous situations was virtually non-existent. Officer John Nelson presented the special weapons and tactics concept to a young inspector by the name of Darryl F. Gates. Inspector Gates concurred and approved the concept of a small group of highly disciplined officers utilizing special weapons and tactics to cope with these unusual and difficult attacks.
The first Special Weapons And Tactics (SWAT) Unit consisted of 15 four-man teams. Members of each team, who volunteered from the ranks of patrol and other police assignments, had specialized experience and prior military service. Each unit was activated for monthly training or when the need for special weapons personnel actually arose. These units, known as "station defense teams," provided security for police facilities during civil unrest.
In 1971, the SWAT personnel were assigned on a full-time basis to Metropolitan Division to respond to continuing action by subversive groups, the rising crime rate and the continuing difficulty of mustering a team response in a timely manner. Metropolitan Division, which had a long-established reputation as the tactical unit of the Department, was organized into "A", "B" and "C" Platoons. The Special Weapons And Tactics Unit was given the designation of "D" Platoon, and at the same time formally adopted the acronym SWAT. ]
Think of warnings of civil unrests in near future - not only in the U.S.
Double layer:
"Finally, our spies have come clean." - no drug addict
"Jackson's body did indeed arrive in a hearse, but it left in a SWAT van"
- MJ was at Staples July 7 but only the hearse left.
;)
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@Grace...the grassy knoll theory is about the JFK assassination. The grassy knoll is where many believe there was another shooter and that may have been where the fatal shot came from. It's a well known conspiracy theory in the US.
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I googled 'grassy knoll' and this is the 1st page that appeared.... :shock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dealey_Plaza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dealey_Plaza)
and #2 on the page is this;
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/gk_name.htm (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/gk_name.htm)
Thirty-five years after the Kennedy assassination and speculation about a conspiracy, "grassy knoll" has become a generic term connoting hidden plots and subterfuge.
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oops sorry Jill, I did not see your post :oops:
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I wonder why they mentioned a red casket in the article...Maybe a misprint but I have doubts...any thoughts on this guys???
Annie...I posted about the red casket on page 2. Take a look.
I just took a look. ;) But I always thought it was the same casket(memorial/funeral)??
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The caskets were different. Both were gold but the one at the funeral had different handles on it than the one at the memorial. Someone did a video and pointed out the differences. I do not have these photos. If someone could post them that would be great.
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(http://images.smh.com.au/2009/09/04/714196/mj23-600x400.jpg) (http://chuvachienes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/image-1-for-michael-jackson-s-memorial-gallery-842691865.jpg) the handles are different.
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The caskets were different. Both were gold but the one at the funeral had different handles on it than the one at the memorial. Someone did a video and pointed out the differences. I do not have these photos. If someone could post them that would be great.
Was this really debunked??I'd like to see some pics also :?
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Are they making fun of us? Okay TMZ, go ahead laugh all you want. :roll: I find it funny that they would even post this article, I don't remember that question of what happened to the casket being asked anywhere but on these forums. They really ARE watching us. I don't know whether that's a good thing, like they're involved in the hoax & they're bringing this news out to prepare people for the BAM or if we're just fueling their fire. So that they can laugh at us & play with our minds some more & this whole hoax thing is what they're trying to stir up. Whatever the case, I have a strong feeling he was NEVER in either one of those caskets.
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@Grace...the grassy knoll theory is about the JFK assassination. The grassy knoll is where many believe there was another shooter and that may have been where the fatal shot came from. It's a well known conspiracy theory in the US.
Thanks for explaining - some of the hoax is pure and only U.S. related.
We "outsiders" don't know all of that mud in detail.
This however leads again to the double theory. Point.
Not M Joe died but the other had a fatal shot.
What we were saying since I don't remember anymore... ;)
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People just get confused by the reflections of the gold. Same casket
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Hmm, I'd like to know how they solved the mystery, though. They say "their spies have come clean", but... how did they get the information? Did they travel back in time to see where "Michael" was taken? :roll:
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(http://images.smh.com.au/2009/09/04/714196/mj23-600x400.jpg) (http://chuvachienes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/image-1-for-michael-jackson-s-memorial-gallery-842691865.jpg) the handles are different.
The handles are the same. Look at the handle on the end of the casket from memorial, and look at the handles on the other pic. It's the same.
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oops sorry Jill, I did not see your post :oops:
That's great. I'm glad you posted that.
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As to the caskets - compare to the funeral:
Memorial underground:
[attachment=2:1fd0i7lo]10eojg0.jpg[/attachment:1fd0i7lo]
IMO different:
[attachment=1:1fd0i7lo]memorial_casket.jpg[/attachment:1fd0i7lo]
[attachment=0:1fd0i7lo]burial_casket.jpg[/attachment:1fd0i7lo]
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(http://images.smh.com.au/2009/09/04/714196/mj23-600x400.jpg) (http://chuvachienes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/image-1-for-michael-jackson-s-memorial-gallery-842691865.jpg) the handles are different.
The handles are the same. Look at the handle on the end of the casket from memorial, and look at the handles on the other pic. It's the same.
It does look the same. I wonder why the "red" casket. I don't think TMZ made a mistakes. Any other thoughts?
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Maybe that "red casket" has another meaning in english ?
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Thanks for the pics!It's the same casket.
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Handles on the casket at the memorial are different to the ones at the funeral if you look closely the funeral handles have a detailed pattern whereas the ones on the memorial are less ornate. There is a video on ytube which goes into great details on the differences between the caskets.
;)
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As to the caskets - compare to the funeral:
Memorial underground:
[attachment=2:2v2q4fpz]10eojg0.jpg[/attachment:2v2q4fpz]
IMO different:
[attachment=1:2v2q4fpz]memorial_casket.jpg[/attachment:2v2q4fpz]
[attachment=0:2v2q4fpz]burial_casket.jpg[/attachment:2v2q4fpz]
Agree they are different.
;)
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Handles on the casket at the memorial are different to the ones at the funeral if you look closely the funeral handles have a detailed pattern whereas the ones on the memorial are less ornate. There is a video on ytube which goes into great details on the differences between the caskets.
;)
LOL, I thought I was losing it. I am glad someone else saw the video as well. Do you remember who did the video?
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About the RED casket, could it have something to do with this ?
(http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab301/topsecretgirl/MJ_Red_One_400px.jpg)
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Maybe that "red casket" has another meaning in english ?
well... im english and...
No. :D
haha
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/04/10/photo-credit-2.jpg) interesting they use this pic on the corner of the article. is that recent? who knows ;)
Please don't bash me or anything. Is it just me or is the feet under the casket similar to the spider/thriller scene from TII? Idk just a thought.
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@Jess...good point!
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As to the caskets - compare to the funeral:
Memorial underground:
[attachment=2:2pm34t93]10eojg0.jpg[/attachment:2pm34t93]
IMO different:
[attachment=1:2pm34t93]memorial_casket.jpg[/attachment:2pm34t93]
[attachment=0:2pm34t93]burial_casket.jpg[/attachment:2pm34t93]
agree too!
they are different, and btw, all the SWAT thing... makes me wonder... Swat are trained police or something like that in the US? they protected people?
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@Jess...good point!
Thanks Jill for agreeing. We just need Michael to pop out now.
;)
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Maybe that "red casket" has another meaning in english ?
well... im english and...
No. :D
haha
Ok thanks :| :lol:
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Ok, now this is really strange. I googled Michael Jackson red casket. The tmz article came up and a link to Michael Jackson.com came up. I clicked on the MichaelJackson.com and this same article came up with Jill as the one posting it! I have never posted on that site! Did they take it from here???
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As to the caskets - compare to the funeral:
Memorial underground:
[attachment=2:m50bud90]10eojg0.jpg[/attachment:m50bud90]
IMO different:
[attachment=1:m50bud90]memorial_casket.jpg[/attachment:m50bud90]
[attachment=0:m50bud90]burial_casket.jpg[/attachment:m50bud90]
agree too!
they are different, and btw, all the SWAT thing... makes me wonder... Swat are trained police or something like that in the US? they protected people?
...annnnd so we slowly integrate the police and soon enough you get..
...witness protection.
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I accidentally read "red carpet" instead of "casket". How convenient. :lol: Showtime!
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I do not think that "red coffin" was written by mistake, all that the writing was on purpose. :lol:
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I accidentally read "red carpet" instead of "casket". How convenient. :lol: Showtime!
remember the red carpet on the heliport at the moment when the body went to the coroner???
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just voted (ca. 1:00 am/ germany):
RIP 48%
Still alive 52%
votes: ca. 82.000 +
:lol:
someone's counting soldiers... :mrgreen:
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I accidentally read "red carpet" instead of "casket". How convenient. :lol: Showtime!
remember the red carpet on the heliport at the moment when the body went to the coroner???
Red carpet ? helicoptor? do you have a link to that please :D
;)
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I accidentally read "red carpet" instead of "casket". How convenient. :lol: Showtime!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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just read this on a funeral planning website:
http://www.funeral-planning-online.com/red-casket.html (http://www.funeral-planning-online.com/red-casket.html)
Though many people would not choose a red casket for funeral of their loved ones, it is a color and concept that would attract those that want to view death differently. It is for those that choose to avoid the solemn and subdued mood of this occasion and instead focus on the brighter and more cheerful celebration of a life lived in joy and that, inevitably, has ended.
It is not a radical choice. It is more a choice of difference and open understanding of fate. Red as a color adds meaning and brightens the otherwise somber occasion. And the fact that the finishing is artificial, you will be able to lower the cost of the casket, as opposite to when you are using hardwood.
lol...just saying...if red casket could be seen that way: view death differently
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well on the other hand when u type red casket on google u get pics of wooden caskets with red flowers on it...
They even call it red casket (talking bout the flowers) when u wanna order:
http://www.richmondhillflowers.com/prod ... sket-spray (http://www.richmondhillflowers.com/product/sy00204/majestic-red-casket-spray)
is it a way of saying in english? when u have red flowers on the casket? looks so.....
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@Grace: you might be misled by the reflections in the gold.
On a sidenote, at the memorial underground picture this person (presumably one of the brothers) is kissing the casket. If he would be aware of a hoax, why would he kiss the casket when they were in private?
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@Grace: you might be misled by the reflections in the gold.
On a sidenote, at the memorial underground picture this person (presumably one of the brothers) is kissing the casket. If he would be aware of a hoax, why would he kiss the casket when they were in private?
because there was a photographer there...? thus, NOT private.
:mrgreen:
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@Grace: you might be misled by the reflections in the gold.
On a sidenote, at the memorial underground picture this person (presumably one of the brothers) is kissing the casket. If he would be aware of a hoax, why would he kiss the casket when they were in private?
Good point! I also wanna know why.
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Michael Jackson
* 48%RIP
* 52%Still alive
Total Votes: 83,464
atleast 40000 think with us :D
Peace.
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Back to the double layer of the article.
I don't really know to make something out of the "knoll-type theory" statement.
I'll give it a try:
"Knoll type" seems to be attributed to "in the style of" design furniture (home and office).
Knoll is recognized as a worldwide design leader.
So the hoax theory is designed, stylish, global and leading.
Nice, TMZ, thx for the flowers ;)
So hoaxers are better off than TMZ - we are worldwide leaders and stylish. :lol:
Then TMZ wants to sell us a spy story...
"Finally, our spies have come clean.
Jackson's body did indeed arrive in a hearse, but it left in a SWAT van
;)
the 'grassy knoll type theory'-expression is based on a figure of speech. it means that people came up with that who 'can hear the grass grow', i think it may be used as a term for 'insider information', like 'from the root'. or, if used in a way to tell someone he's losing it by coming up with some outrageous theory.
'our spies have come clean' is a very interesting wording. 'to come clean' means to finally unveil, give up information that was withheld.
i think this is made to look like a joke, but it's really a serious clue. especially with the attached poll. that's a people counter!! 'how much support is there, really'. i just checked again, it's over 83.000 votes now and 52% percent of that say mike lives!
this hoax is such a genius piece of art. bow to the king!
:mrgreen:
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tabloidburn wrote; because there was a photographer there...? thus, NOT private.
Of course, private? .. and a photographer .. not as private :lol:
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well on the other hand when u type red casket on google u get pics of wooden caskets with red flowers on it...
They even call it red casket (talking bout the flowers) when u wanna order:
http://www.richmondhillflowers.com/prod ... sket-spray (http://www.richmondhillflowers.com/product/sy00204/majestic-red-casket-spray)
is it a way of saying in english? when u have red flowers on the casket? looks so.....
it's called 'red casket spray'. a red spray of flowers for a casket.
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Hmm.. i think TMZ is playing with us you know...
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well on the other hand when u type red casket on google u get pics of wooden caskets with red flowers on it...
They even call it red casket (talking bout the flowers) when u wanna order:
http://www.richmondhillflowers.com/prod ... sket-spray (http://www.richmondhillflowers.com/product/sy00204/majestic-red-casket-spray)
is it a way of saying in english? when u have red flowers on the casket? looks so.....
it's called 'red casket spray'. a red spray of flowers for a casket.
oh ok.didnt get that difference. Thx
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Photo is fake indeed. Moreover, on Larry King question during the interview where is the body, Joe Jackson answered he does not know.
Plus, why would casket be taken to cemetery from memorial. Memorial was in July, funeral in September. Cemetery in not a public storage to keep casket for 2,5 months until funeral. :roll:
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RIP 49%
Still Alive 51%
90661 Votes
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"Thirty-five years after the Kennedy assassination and speculation about a conspiracy, "grassy knoll" has become a generic term connoting hidden plots and subterfuge."
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/gk_name.htm
It started after the Kennedy assasination saying that there was not only Oswald in the Book Depository but also one, two or three gunmen were alsoon the ground ready to assasinate Kennedy, one of which is said to have been on the grassy knoll. People were reported to have seen and heard gunshots coming from the grassy knoll. Then it is said that the direction from which Kennedy was hit was an impossible shot to come from the Book Depository. It is known as "the magic bullet."
More Reading (Sources):
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/11/dayintech_1122
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/organ3.htm (did not read all of this but it seems pretty informative) :)
Also just common knowledge on my part since I have lived in Texas my whole life. :)
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"Thirty-five years after the Kennedy assassination and speculation about a conspiracy, "grassy knoll" has become a generic term connoting hidden plots and subterfuge."
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/gk_name.htm
It started after the Kennedy assasination saying that there was not only Oswald in the Book Depository but also one, two or three gunmen were alsoon the ground ready to assasinate Kennedy, one of which is said to have been on the grassy knoll. People were reported to have seen and heard gunshots coming from the grassy knoll. Then it is said that the direction from which Kennedy was hit was an impossible shot to come from the Book Depository. It is known as "the magic bullet."
More Reading (Sources):
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/11/dayintech_1122
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/organ3.htm (did not read all of this but it seems pretty informative) :)
Also just common knowledge on my part since I have lived in Texas my whole life. :)
Tabloid Junkie:
Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
As the hounding media in hysteria
Who's the next for you to resurrect
JFK exposed the CIA
Truth be told the grassy knoll
As the blackmail story in all your glory
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"Thirty-five years after the Kennedy assassination and speculation about a conspiracy, "grassy knoll" has become a generic term connoting hidden plots and subterfuge."
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/gk_name.htm
It started after the Kennedy assasination saying that there was not only Oswald in the Book Depository but also one, two or three gunmen were alsoon the ground ready to assasinate Kennedy, one of which is said to have been on the grassy knoll. People were reported to have seen and heard gunshots coming from the grassy knoll. Then it is said that the direction from which Kennedy was hit was an impossible shot to come from the Book Depository. It is known as "the magic bullet."
More Reading (Sources):
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/11/dayintech_1122
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/organ3.htm (did not read all of this but it seems pretty informative) :)
Also just common knowledge on my part since I have lived in Texas my whole life. :)
And that make this sentence: "It fueled a grassy knoll-type theory that Jackson's body wasn't really inside the casket and maybe he was still alive."
actually sound like this: "It fueled a very plausible theory that Jackson's body wasn't really inside the casket and maybe he was still alive."
;)
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(http://i41.tinypic.com/xn84lh.jpg)
Read the material that came out at TMZ:
Is the answer to the question you were curious, so I forgot but now you think like: "Wow, I really want to know - as did the body of Michael Jackson seems to disappear after his memorial, and only to reappear in the cemetery? "
On July 7, 2009, Staples Center memorial was held in front of thousands of people in downtown Los Angeles - The body of Jackson was housed in a red coffin of $ 25,000.
After the memorial, although hundreds of thousands of cameras and the eyes were trained on the exits, no one saw any evidence that the coffin left the building. He fed a theory of type Grassy Knoll Jackson's body was not inside the coffin, and perhaps he was still alive.
Finally, our spies found. The body of Jackson, in fact, arrive in a hearse, but was leaving in a SWAT van. The van was taken to a secret location, where they met with a van Forest Lawn - who then transported the body to the cemetery without being noticed.
You're welcome.
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Hi?
Our .... They took too long to figure that out? Because I always knew it!
After that another explanation for the coffin had to leave without being seen? It is clear that someone picked up the coffin and took to the Forest Lanw. My God! After coming out of a coffin funeral goes where? Always been told that the coffin was there waiting for the funeral. Or forgotten mausoleum? From this room that Michael was 874,653 and the Securities?
In the field above says that the disappearance of the coffin raised suspicions about him being alive (love)
but ..
Just because the team efficient TMZ discovered that the coffin was all that time in the cemetery, we now believe he died?
Hi? I laughed .. (sorry)
Putz! This becomes tãooo little before so many clues. Passes unnoticed by lala ..
Wow! .. Actually everything should be forgotten now, because TMZ has discovered that the coffin was in the cemetery. Something that is more than normal in the cemetery the coffin is, after all before he was in a funeral! Where else's coffin should be?
MY GOD!
And you know what I found most "funny"? It is that TMZ was the only one who spoke of the brain after so long .. hehe
And TMZ detective needed to discover all this? rs
Why the brain of Michael and the fate of his body was secret? rs
Another thing ..
What is this montage of the photo? The coffin running with the feet of Michael? hehehe want to say that Michael himself ran out and taking his own coffin. And dead you run? ('ve Died)
I just thought that with a tone of irony and sarcasm? lalalala (I'm sorry but unfortunate enough to be so)
Now the best of all is now ..
TMZ put this matter a poll asking: Michael alive or dead?
Aveeee ...
Detail: "still alive" is gaining ...
Look:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/16bex34.jpg)
Does TMZ will say something about the result? Bammmm!!
Seriously ..
TMZ is doing is that poll? For pure personal pleasure? And where ethics and respect they should have the death of Michael? Oh okay! The connection is ended when they put material in the air! And remembering that TMZ is a gossip site, and only with the death of Michael they can be so "superior" to CNN and co.
OMG! As the polls that a TMZ puts on the air? 'm Beige!
It's definitely a lot of air play in my opinion, this type of question should not be on a site. The family must be "offended" .. hehe
Let's vote and prove that Michael may be alive!
I loved the "DE NADA" at the end of the matter ... rs (mta irony). We thank the staff of TMZ detective who is very efficient, and took more than 5 months to find out that Michael was in the cemetery .. that would be buried? (I wonder where they thought he was)
In my humble opinion, when TMZ says that we must believe that he is alive, because now they know that Michael's body was in the cemetery and thus explaining the disappearance of the body, they are in some way "forced" to believe that he dead! But followed shortly finalize the matter with the polls asking if people think he is alive.
(Complex)
TMZ decides dear ..! Or do you want fans to think he is alive or dead! (TMZ TMZ TMZ ALWAYS ..)
And remembering that she is profiting from this kind of matter. And if her goal is to be funny is getting, but if you wanted a picture of a broadcaster with credibility and serious .. this kind of "game" will be named to the drain. After all we are talking about a person who died.
Anyway ..
here is the link of the matter:
http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/10/michael-j ... es-center/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/10/michael-jackson-casket-memorial-burial-staples-center/)
Michael is alive!
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double post mate
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the picture is very explicit TMZ :lol: :lol:
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If what TMZ says in this article is actually true, the use of the SWAT fan suggests to me that this could all be a witness protection situation. Just sayin'.
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The real meaning of "Red Casket" from seeing clues:
http://seeingclues.blogspot.com/2010/04 ... offin.html (http://seeingclues.blogspot.com/2010/04/red-casketnot-necessarily-coffin.html)
As always, with L.O.V.E xox
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This has been posted on the 4/9/09
Jackson's body has been kept at the cemetery since his public memorial service at the Stapes Centre in downtown Los Angeles on July 6.
So since when has it been a Mystery about the whereabouts of MJ's coffin and body????
Every other news article I've seen have said the coffin was at Forest Lawn already.
Do you know what I mean :?: :?:
http://www.mjbaltic.com/ (http://www.mjbaltic.com/) As always with L.O.V.E xox
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@2good2betrue...Fraud-Red Casket....We couldn't get a better description!
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2good2btrue , In fact Murray is crucified, all the media talk, at least here .. the doctor who "murderer Michael Jackson" :geek:
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"Thirty-five years after the Kennedy assassination and speculation about a conspiracy, "grassy knoll" has become a generic term connoting hidden plots and subterfuge."
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/gk_name.htm
It started after the Kennedy assasination saying that there was not only Oswald in the Book Depository but also one, two or three gunmen were alsoon the ground ready to assasinate Kennedy, one of which is said to have been on the grassy knoll. People were reported to have seen and heard gunshots coming from the grassy knoll. Then it is said that the direction from which Kennedy was hit was an impossible shot to come from the Book Depository. It is known as "the magic bullet."
More Reading (Sources):
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/11/dayintech_1122
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/organ3.htm (did not read all of this but it seems pretty informative) :)
Also just common knowledge on my part since I have lived in Texas my whole life. :)
And that make this sentence: "It fueled a grassy knoll-type theory that Jackson's body wasn't really inside the casket and maybe he was still alive."
actually sound like this: "It fueled a very plausible theory that Jackson's body wasn't really inside the casket and maybe he was still alive."
;)
Thank you. The grassy knoll is THE one American conspiracy theory that is considered mainstream and plausible. In that way, it stands alone from other conspiracy theories which are generally considered fringe-y and a little woo woo out there.
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http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?secti ... id=6906708 (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=6906708)
Here is an old article that mentions the same:
The Jackson family is not revealing where the body is at this point. It's possible his remains were brought back to Forest Lawn, but the Hollywood Hills cemetery may not be his final resting place.
The family gathered for a private memorial service Tuesday morning at Forest Lawn, then the golden casket was driven to Staples Center, where about 19,500 people attended the public memorial service.
Eyewitness News has learned how Michael Jackson's casket was removed from Staples Center undetected after Tuesday's memorial service. It was taken out of the arena hidden in an LAPD SWAT vehicle minutes after the memorial ended.
"We're not going to discuss how the body was removed. As Chief Bratton says we have to keep some secrets," a spokesperson for the LAPD chief told Eyewitness News when asked about the removal.
L.A. City Councilmember Dennis Zine is outraged Jackson's memorial service is costing the city what he estimates to be more than $1.4 million. The amount included $1.1 million in overtime pay for the 4,173 officers who worked to secure Staples Center, Forest Lawn cemetery and other areas that attracted fans and members of the media, police said in a statement.
"Why would they have to put a casket in the SWAT van?" Zine questioned. "Why did they have to have SWAT deployed anyway? What kind of terrorist threat was placed upon this with Michael Jackson who had passed away?"
He says Jackson's concert promoter and Staples Center owner AEG should pick up the tab.
"AEG Staples should measure up and do what they're supposed to do. And the Jackson family as a part of this should say it was our loved one, it was the services that were performed for Michael Jackson, they should pay we shouldn't be profiting off of this," said Zine.
City officials said Wednesday that the remaining amount covered traffic control, cleanup and other costs related to Tuesday's public memorial service, which was watched by tens of millions of people around the world.
The city has also set up a Web site urging fans to make tax-deductible donations through credit cards, PayPal or check to help defray costs.
Fans have thus far donated $17,000, but contributions have been hampered by technical problems, Szabo said in a statement.
The site received so many hits that the servers crashed Tuesday night and several times Wednesday, Szabo said. The city's information technology department is working to rectify the problems.
New City Controller Wendy Greuel is also raising an issue with the cost. Greuel has called on the City Council to create a policy declaring who should pay for city services associated with such events.
In a letter to the emergency management department, Greuel criticized the nearly $49,000 expense for 3,500 police officers' lunches, which were ordered from a restaurant located 80 miles from Los Angeles in Wrightwood.
Greuel said her office called a local sandwich shop that could have provided box lunches for less than $17,500. The purchase would have had the added benefit of supporting a local business, she said.
Jackson's public memorial service has prompted an investigation by City Attorney Carmen Trutanich to determine how the city got stuck with the bill and who authorized the city's use of resources.
Officials said although the memorial cost $1.4 million, it was far less than the $4 million that was originally estimated.
Police detectives are looking into Jackson's prescription drug history and trying to talk with his numberous former doctors. The coroner has so far deferred the cause of Jackson's death pending the results of toxicology tests.
"Based on those we'll have an idea of what it is that we're dealing with," said LAPD Chief William Bratton. "Are we dealing with a homicide? Are we dealing with an accidental overdose? What are we dealing with?"
According to ABC News, Jackson was addicted to the painkillers Demerol and oxycontin. The sedative Diprivan was also found inside Jackson's rented mansion.
ABC News is also reporting that Jackson's brothers will ask the state if they can bury the body at Neverland Ranch, even though that is reportedly not what his mother Katherine Jackson wants.
Los Angeles County records show Forest Lawn mortuary as a temporary location.
Experts say a delay in burial is not unusual, but the law requires that the body be stored properly.
"It's my understanding that once the body is released, that there are no other requirements as long as its being properly stored. If, however, it is not being properly stored, and it becomes a matter of health and safety concerns, then the county coroner would be the individual who would be taking responsibility at that point," said Rick Wallender from the state cemetery and funeral bureau.
Dozens of Encino residents met with city officials on Wednesday night to discuss the disruptions casued by street closures and fans and media gathered outside the Jackson family residence.
After being closed for several days, Hayvenhurst Avenue has reopened and is now subject to regular parking restrictions.
The Associated Press contributed to this story.
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hahahahahaha hahaha is there another mystery for to solve?
I love the pic
:)
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:D
"Thirty-five years after the Kennedy assassination and speculation about a conspiracy, "grassy knoll" has become a generic term connoting hidden plots and subterfuge."
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/gk_name.htm
It started after the Kennedy assasination saying that there was not only Oswald in the Book Depository but also one, two or three gunmen were alsoon the ground ready to assasinate Kennedy, one of which is said to have been on the grassy knoll. People were reported to have seen and heard gunshots coming from the grassy knoll. Then it is said that the direction from which Kennedy was hit was an impossible shot to come from the Book Depository. It is known as "the magic bullet."
More Reading (Sources):
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/11/dayintech_1122
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/organ3.htm (did not read all of this but it seems pretty informative) :)
Also just common knowledge on my part since I have lived in Texas my whole life. :)
Tabloid Junkie:
Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
As the hounding media in hysteria
Who's the next for you to resurrect
JFK exposed the CIA
Truth be told the grassy knoll
As the blackmail story in all your glory
TMZ :lol: :lol: a grassy-knoll theory. You must be reading MJ's lyrics. Hmmmm seems to match with your story. TMZ poll that MJ is alive or RIP, and then Uri Geller saying at MJ is 99% dead or be maybe 1% alive. All on the same day. That is a killer to me. MJ, I know that you are alive! Applehead, please just come home to us! We love you and need you more than words could express! I want MJ back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think that Christmas is coming early this year! TMZ, can you feel it!
Piece by piece, MJ is revealed until he jumps out. And on Michael's command, we begin."
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Have you noticed that this article is still the first one when there has been other articles posted after it :)
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Oh I noticed! The article is top story still after it was posted at 7:53am on 4/10! TMZ does this when they want people to take notice.
I dunno about you...but I'm thinking we aren't too far off from B-day (BAMs Day!)
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If what TMZ says in this article is actually true, the use of the SWAT fan suggests to me that this could all be a witness protection situation. Just sayin'.
Perhaps.
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Oh I noticed! The article is top story still after it was posted at 7:53am on 4/10! TMZ does this when they want people to take notice.
I dunno about you...but I'm thinking we aren't too far off from B-day (BAMs Day!)
Yeah I feel very excited! Hopefully soon and very soon we are going to see the KING! :D
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I accidentally read "red carpet" instead of "casket". How convenient. :lol: Showtime!
remember the red carpet on the heliport at the moment when the body went to the coroner???
Red carpet ? helicoptor? do you have a link to that please :D
;)
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I do not think that "red coffin" was written by mistake, all that the writing was on purpose. :lol:
As a non-native English speaker I admit I LOVE the word games we are constantly witnessing.
Native English speakers may have a difficulty in getting the double meanings since they most likely understand the common main meaning of a word or sentence.
Non-native English speakers check words or sentences once in a while by searching for the right interpretation or out of curiosity.
CASKET = A LITTLE CASE FOR JEWELS
:lol:
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I accidentally read "red carpet" instead of "casket". How convenient. :lol: Showtime!
remember the red carpet on the heliport at the moment when the body went to the coroner???
Red carpet ? helicoptor? do you have a link to that please :D
;)
ROFL :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Double post
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Back to the double layer of the article.
I don't really know to make something out of the "knoll-type theory" statement.
I'll give it a try:
"Knoll type" seems to be attributed to "in the style of" design furniture (home and office).
Knoll is recognized as a worldwide design leader.
So the hoax theory is designed, stylish, global and leading.
Nice, TMZ, thx for the flowers ;)
So hoaxers are better off than TMZ - we are worldwide leaders and stylish. :lol:
Then TMZ wants to sell us a spy story...
"Finally, our spies have come clean.
Jackson's body did indeed arrive in a hearse, but it left in a SWAT van
;)
the 'grassy knoll type theory'-expression is based on a figure of speech. it means that people came up with that who 'can hear the grass grow', i think it may be used as a term for 'insider information', like 'from the root'. or, if used in a way to tell someone he's losing it by coming up with some outrageous theory.
'our spies have come clean' is a very interesting wording. 'to come clean' means to finally unveil, give up information that was withheld.
i think this is made to look like a joke, but it's really a serious clue. especially with the attached poll. that's a people counter!! 'how much support is there, really'. i just checked again, it's over 83.000 votes now and 52% percent of that say mike lives!
this hoax is such a genius piece of art. bow to the king!
:mrgreen:
What about the wording ensconced in "Jackson's body was ensconced in a $25,000 red casket"
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What about the wording ensconced in "Jackson's body was ensconced in a $25,000 red casket"
It may mean:
to settle snuggly
to hide
to shelter
to settle down
in a red (love) case for jewels... ;)
In this sense it sounds like a hidden honeymoon ("it is all for love").
or
Protection from theft like in a safe.
;)
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What about the wording ensconced in "Jackson's body was ensconced in a $25,000 red casket"
It may mean:
to settle snuggly
to hide
to shelter
to settle down
in a red (love) case for jewels... ;)
In this sense it sounds like a hidden honeymoon ("it is all for love").
or
Protection from theft like in a safe.
;)
Exactly, that's what I mean, it suggests as if he was actively hiding himself comfortably
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I'm starting to thing that they are playing with us. They've probably come across this site & know what we talk about, so they know we've discussed & questioned the whereabouts of the casket after the memorial. I don't remember hearing about that being questioned, I've only read it here. I think they are getting a kick out of this & they are playing along. Sure, they could be involved in the hoax or they might see the possibility of him being alive. But stories like this just seem like they are pulling our leg.
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i dont think this site or similar are important to the hoax or the press - we are fluff
august bank holiday news or april fools news
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:shock: Shock! Ive actually only just noticed the red carpet on the helicopter scene :lol: :oops: Oh dear god. Now i feel like an idiot. Ha... I obviously noticed it, i just didnt register it...
why IS there a red carpet there... :?
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Ahhhh! This just made my day!! :lol:
While I do agree with the possibility of TMZ just playing with us (it could seem like the to some, but not those of us who have been doing our own research and not only relying on TMZ) BUT I personally believe this to be perhaps the best and most OBVIOUS clue they have given us! For crying out loud, Michael's feet are walking the casket. I don't think they would take death jokes quite THAT far, unless they knew it was okay. The only way to know it's okay is to get the THUMBS UP from the man himself! As well as over HALF of TMZ viewer's who believe he's alive.
This was a fantastic post by TMZ. The poll put the cherry on top, because even non-believers who just see that will start to question things and hopefully dig deeper.
I have a great feeling about this. We are getting closer!! :)
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:shock: Shock! Ive actually only just noticed the red carpet on the helicopter scene :lol: :oops: Oh dear god. Now i feel like an idiot. Ha... I obviously noticed it, i just didnt register it...
why IS there a red carpet there... :?
it's not a red carpet, it's painted on...
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current result:
49%RIP
51%Still alive
Total Votes: 134,905
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Please, please guys, do not forget to thank the very efficient researchers TMZ, which took 10 months to discover this :lol:
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I'm starting to thing that they are playing with us. They've probably come across this site & know what we talk about, so they know we've discussed & questioned the whereabouts of the casket after the memorial. I don't remember hearing about that being questioned, I've only read it here. I think they are getting a kick out of this & they are playing along. Sure, they could be involved in the hoax or they might see the possibility of him being alive. But stories like this just seem like they are pulling our leg.
I agree. Don't believe they're involved in the hoax.
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TMZ take long to figure that out? Because I always knew it!
After that another explanation for the coffin had to leave without being seen? Of course, someone picked up the coffin and took to the Forest Lanw. My God! After coming out of a coffin funeral goes where? Always been told that the coffin was there waiting for the funeral. Or forgotten mausoleum? From this room that Michael was 874653 Securities?
In the field above says that the disappearance of the coffin raised suspicions about him being alive (love)
but ..
Just because the team efficient TMZ discovered that the coffin was all that time in the cemetery, we now believe he died?
Hi? I laughed .. (sorry)
This becomes tãooo little before so many clues. Passes unnoticed by
Wow! Really .. it must be forgotten now, because TMZ has discovered that the coffin was in the cemetery. Something that is more than normal in the cemetery the coffin is, after all before he was in a funeral! Where else's coffin should be?
MY GOD!
And you know what I found most "funny"? It is that TMZ was the only one who spoke of the brain after so long ... :lol:
And TMZ detective needed to discover all this?
Why the brain of Michael and the fate of his body was secret? :lol:
TMZ is doing is that poll? For pure personal pleasure? And where ethics and respect they should have the death of Michael? Oh okay! The connection is ended when they put material in the air! And remembering that TMZ is a gossip site, and only with the death of Michael so they can be more than CNN and co.
OMG! As the polls that a TMZ puts on the air?
Definitely it is very fun in my opinion, this type of question should not be on a site. The family must be "offended."
In my humble opinion, when TMZ says that we must believe that he is alive, because now they know that Michael's body was in the cemetery and thus explaining the disappearance of the body, they are somehow forcing us to believe he died! But followed shortly finalize the matter with the polls asking if people think he is alive. So she is putting a question in the air: Michael is still alive?
TMZ decides dear ... Or do you want fans to think he is alive or dead! (TMZ, ALWAYS TMZ)
And remembering that she is profiting from this kind of matter. And if her goal is to be funny is getting, but if you wanted a picture of a serious broadcaster with credibility and this kind of joke .. take the name down the drain. After all we are talking about a person who died.
let's get into the rhythm of "game" of TMZ? I´m voting still alive
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:shock: Shock! Ive actually only just noticed the red carpet on the helicopter scene :lol: :oops: Oh dear god. Now i feel like an idiot. Ha... I obviously noticed it, i just didnt register it...
why IS there a red carpet there... :?
it's not a red carpet, it's painted on...
:oops: okay then..
oops.
Someone earlier said it was a carpet...
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Michael Jackson
48%RIP
52%Still alive
Total Votes: 148,086
Standings now :)
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:shock: Shock! Ive actually only just noticed the red carpet on the helicopter scene :lol: :oops: Oh dear god. Now i feel like an idiot. Ha... I obviously noticed it, i just didnt register it...
why IS there a red carpet there... :?
it's not a red carpet, it's painted on...
:oops: okay then..
oops.
Someone earlier said it was a carpet...
It's painted where the chopper is supposed to land.
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What is the point in the same people continually voting for "RIP" or "alive" - arent polls supposed to reflect the general publics view on the situation?
The poll means nothing now that believers are fixing the results of the poll by continually voting for their own beliefs.
What is the point of that> what does it achieve????
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What is the point in the same people continually voting for "RIP" or "alive" - arent polls supposed to reflect the general publics view on the situation?
The poll means nothing now that believers are fixing the results of the poll by continually voting for their own beliefs.
What is the point of that> what does it achieve????
yes, i´m with you!
btw, i didn´t say that was a red carpet, someone say thet read red carpet on red casket and i say that reminds me of the heliport looks like red carpet! lol sorry!
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What is the point in the same people continually voting for "RIP" or "alive" - arent polls supposed to reflect the general publics view on the situation?
The poll means nothing now that believers are fixing the results of the poll by continually voting for their own beliefs.
What is the point of that> what does it achieve????
You're right, but it's pointless mentioning.
Another thing, it appears everytime you need to vote in order to see the poll results
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What is the point in the same people continually voting for "RIP" or "alive" - arent polls supposed to reflect the general publics view on the situation?
The poll means nothing now that believers are fixing the results of the poll by continually voting for their own beliefs.
What is the point of that> what does it achieve????
I honestly think that TMZ got lot of attention in the last year thanks to the believers..and I think the percentage RIP/STILL ALIVE deosn't reflect correctly the general people mind.I think that most of the voters are believers,the same that are paying so much attention to TMZ in last months. But I don't care..I believe and that' s all.
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What is the point in the same people continually voting for "RIP" or "alive" - arent polls supposed to reflect the general publics view on the situation?
The poll means nothing now that believers are fixing the results of the poll by continually voting for their own beliefs.
What is the point of that> what does it achieve????
Yes , its most likely that the believers are voting ,but I don't think the voting percentage matters as much as the idea in posting the poll ............
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If the poll result really mattered for TMZ they would have made it impossible to vote several times. The matter here is clearly the poll itself.
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What is the point in the same people continually voting for "RIP" or "alive" - arent polls supposed to reflect the general publics view on the situation?
The poll means nothing now that believers are fixing the results of the poll by continually voting for their own beliefs.
What is the point of that> what does it achieve????
I know what you mean. The only reason I continue to vote again is because i want to post the progress on the polls and I'm not voting,refreshing, voting, refreshing, I will just vote every 15-20 minutes, or longer, to check. I am not continually voting over and over again so my measly 10 votes or so probably barely effected the standings.
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If the poll result really mattered for TMZ they would have made it impossible to vote several times. The matter here is clearly the poll itself.
i think that is correct - its only a bit of fun
i think it is self serving only pp interested in mike or the hoax would be bothered it is not a proper poll.
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I just checked and it is now
RIP 45%
Still Alive 55%
total votes: 164907
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regarding the inaccuracy of the poll-meter:
even if single people vote several times and it thus cannot be a representative in terms of individual votes, the sheer number of votes is an indicator here. almost 165,000 votes were counted, so even if you have a few hundred votes coming from only a few people, that is a vast number altogether!
i don't know if any 'ballot box' on tmz was ever frequented that much... :mrgreen:
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Update:
Michael Jackson
45%RIP
55%Still alive
Total Votes: 172,279
Wow, it seems like the Death Hoax is really building momentum.
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I'm starting to thing that they are playing with us. They've probably come across this site & know what we talk about, so they know we've discussed & questioned the whereabouts of the casket after the memorial. I don't remember hearing about that being questioned, I've only read it here. I think they are getting a kick out of this & they are playing along. Sure, they could be involved in the hoax or they might see the possibility of him being alive. But stories like this just seem like they are pulling our leg.
i think u r right!! i keep saying the same thing~but everyone here keeps telling me im crazy :evil:
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I'm starting to thing that they are playing with us. They've probably come across this site & know what we talk about, so they know we've discussed & questioned the whereabouts of the casket after the memorial. I don't remember hearing about that being questioned, I've only read it here. I think they are getting a kick out of this & they are playing along. Sure, they could be involved in the hoax or they might see the possibility of him being alive. But stories like this just seem like they are pulling our leg.
i think u r right!! i keep saying the same thing~but everyone here keeps telling me im crazy :evil:
It's kind of obvious, the question about the whereabouts of the casket after the memorial was asked on these forums, & they obviously check these forums & read everything we say. Also, they say "You're welcome" at the end of the article, as if directing it to us, like "there you go hoax believers, we found your answer" & then they put the poll just to mess with us. It's all directed to the hoax believers. Stupid TMZ. :roll:
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Update:
Michael Jackson
45%RIP
55%Still alive
Total Votes: 172,279
Wow, it seems like the Death Hoax is really building momentum.
I don't find it particulary funny since all the hoaxers was voting over and over again, I think the real statistics would have been really interesting to see. And what I find most interesting in the whole thing, is that TMZ put the poll there from the beginning. What kind of poll is that? And why didn't Farrah Fawcett or Brittany Murphy get a poll like that? Hmm. :lol:
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Very interesting about TMZ: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=8589 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=8589)
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TMZ was first to speak about the death of Michael, so I think she should be more certain about it ..
The point here is that they should not have any doubt about a person who makes more than 4 months who died, and even more when dealing with a celebrity.
If they throw it in the air now, is yes because they want to create a question mark in our mind. Even though TMZ is a gossip site, it should be more responsible and not hurt the feelings of a family.
By the way ... why the family don´t process the TMZ?
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Woooowwww!!!!!!!!!! This picture is just too much, Michael simply walked away from his own memorial....Yeahhh!!!!!!!!!!! :P
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RIP 43%
STILL ALIVE 57%
Total Votes 203,824
THIS IS SO AWESOME!!!! 14% more BELIEVERS :D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLeGMMIwfQo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLeGMMIwfQo)
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i'm starting to think that they knew already that the outcome would be 'still alive' but actually didn't expect the huge number in votes.
'love you people' = we love it that you people are still with the hoax!
:mrgreen:
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Also, most of us refreshed the page and kept voting 8-)
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Did you notice that TMZ changed the order in the poll?
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Alive: 60%
RIP: 40% :D
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Michael Jackson -- Casket Mystery Solved
Originally posted 10 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
It's the answer to the question you were kinda curious about, then forgot about, but now you're like "Holy cow, I really wanna know -- how did Michael Jackson's body seemingly disappear after his memorial, only to reappear at the cemetery?"
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/04/10/photo-credit-2.jpg)
On July 7, 2009 the Staples Center memorial was held in front of thousands of people in downtown L.A. -- Jackson's body was ensconced in a $25,000 red casket.
After the memorial, although hundreds of cameras and thousands of eyes were trained on the exits, no one saw any evidence that the casket left the building. It fueled a grassy knoll-type theory that Jackson's body wasn't really inside the casket and maybe he was still alive.
Finally, our spies have come clean. Jackson's body did indeed arrive in a hearse, but it left in a SWAT van. The van was driven to a secret location, where it rendezvoused with a Forest Lawn van -- which then transported the body to the cemetery without being noticed.
You're welcome.
Notice it says RED casket instead of Gold! Misprint or on purpose???? Are they trying to get us to take another look at the casket? I know there were 2 different ones for the memorial and one for the funeral. Anyone have those pics?
It seems that tmz corrected their mistake : http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/10/michael-j ... es-center/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/10/michael-jackson-casket-memorial-burial-staples-center/)
ensconced in a $25,000 bronze casket
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That's funny they corrected that but it is still not right. The casket was gold wasn't it?
ensconced in a $25,000 bronze casket
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We know that TMZ does not correct articles in the sense of "oh, there's a typo".
Well, there is a lot to be read about bronze.
Definition (all fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze):
[Bronze is a metal alloy consisting primarily of copper, usually with tin as the main additive, but sometimes with other elements such as phosphorus, manganese, aluminium, or silicon. It is hard and brittle, and it was particularly significant in antiquity, giving its name to the Bronze Age.]
[The discovery of bronze enabled people to create better metal objects than was previously possible. Tools, weapons, armor, and various building materials, like decorative tiles, made of bronze were harder and more durable than their stone and copper ("Chalcolithic") predecessors.]
[Typically bronze only oxidizes superficially;]
The colour of the oxide is green.
[Bronze parts are tough and typically used for bearings, clips, electrical connectors and springs.] [Phosphor bronze ]...] is also used in guitar and piano strings.]
[Bronze is the most popular metal for top-quality bells, particularly bell metal, which is about 23% tin.]
So in short bronze is strong, a tough metal alloy and not only serving for art and sculptures but also for music instruments.
Should we wait for some new music now after the love messages?
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I happened to notice that in this picture below, Michael's feet are moonwalking:
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/04/10/photo-credit-2.jpg)
Obviously, we know moonwalking is a backward motion, so why is his coffin essentially moving FROM the Forest Lawn van TO the S.W.A.T van?
Shouldn't it be the other way around judging by the article?
Is this a clue in itself? Why did they show a Forest Lawn van? The article isn't about FL, it's about the memorial!
This is the original photo TMZ used:
(http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/06-michael-jackson-moonwalking-WI-062609-lg-24899849.jpg)
It's from the 1995 MTV VMA Awards, so he definitely IS moonwalking in both this shot AND the photoshopped composition.
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I happened to notice that in this picture below, Michael's feet are moonwalking:
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/04/10/photo-credit-2.jpg)
Obviously, we know moonwalking is a backward motion, so why is his coffin essentially moving FROM the Forest Lawn van TO the S.W.A.T van?
Shouldn't it be the other way around judging by the article?
Is this a clue in itself? Why did they show a Forest Lawn van? The article isn't about FL, it's about the memorial!
This is the original photo TMZ used:
(http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/06-michael-jackson-moonwalking-WI-062609-lg-24899849.jpg)
It's from the 1995 MTV VMA Awards, so he definitely IS moonwalking in both this shot AND the photoshopped composition.
:lol: :lol: :lol: This is good ! Indeed Michael is moonwalking in both pictures ! Thank you for posting. Love you more Michael !
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It is now up to 90% - still alive!!! :D
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...and this Michael in the upper right corner of TMZ's photo looks like he was chuckling....
This Moonwalking towards Police car - to me it's an obvious clue that he is under a strict protection of Police.
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There are more and more :mrgreen:
(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/209/fdroute.jpg)
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It still works...
I think it's near 99 %... :D
http://cdn.polls.telepicturestv.com/pol ... cil_id=201 (http://cdn.polls.telepicturestv.com/polls/9532/iframe?stencil_id=201)
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It still works...
I think it's near 99 %... :D
http://cdn.polls.telepicturestv.com/pol ... cil_id=201 (http://cdn.polls.telepicturestv.com/polls/9532/iframe?stencil_id=201)
still 98%
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The pic is extremely funny. TMZ is either running out of MJ news, or they are the bricklayers and in on the hoax. This is sooooooo stupid.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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It takes a long time, but now it's 99 % alive !!!
Michael Jackson
99%Still alive
1%RIP
Total Votes: 6,838,099
Note on Poll Results
NOTE: Poll results are not scientific and reflect the opinions of only those users who chose to participate. Poll results are not reflected in real time.
Back to Poll Results
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Michael Jackson
99%Still alive
1%RIP
Total Votes: 6,838,111 8-)
"On July 7, 2009 the Staples Center memorial was held in front of thousands of people in downtown L.A. -- Jackson's body was ensconced in a $25,000 bronze casket. " NOW IT IS BRONZE? :? :? :?
http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/10/michael-j ... es-center/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/10/michael-jackson-casket-memorial-burial-staples-center/)
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Michael Jackson -- Casket Mystery Solved
Originally posted 10 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
It's the answer to the question you were kinda curious about, then forgot about, but now you're like "Holy cow, I really wanna know -- how did Michael Jackson's body seemingly disappear after his memorial, only to reappear at the cemetery?"
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/04/10/photo-credit-2.jpg)
On July 7, 2009 the Staples Center memorial was held in front of thousands of people in downtown L.A. -- Jackson's body was ensconced in a $25,000 red casket.
After the memorial, although hundreds of cameras and thousands of eyes were trained on the exits, no one saw any evidence that the casket left the building. It fueled a grassy knoll-type theory that Jackson's body wasn't really inside the casket and maybe he was still alive.
Finally, our spies have come clean. Jackson's body did indeed arrive in a hearse, but it left in a SWAT van. The van was driven to a secret location, where it rendezvoused with a Forest Lawn van -- which then transported the body to the cemetery without being noticed.
You're welcome.
Notice it says RED casket instead of Gold! Misprint or on purpose???? Are they trying to get us to take another look at the casket? I know there were 2 different ones for the memorial and one for the funeral. Anyone have those pics?
The above post is the first one on this topic - dated Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:10 pm - I wonder when TMZ changed it from "red" to "bronze".
Maybe they will change it to "gold" when they decide to put the "poll" at 100% ;)
Michael Jackson -- Casket Mystery Solved
4/10/2010 7:53 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
It's the answer to the question you were kinda curious about, then forgot about, but now you're like "Holy cow, I really want to know -- how did Michael Jackson's body seemingly disappear after his memorial, only to reappear at the cemetery?"
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/04/10/photo-credit-2.jpg)
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/04/10/photo-credit-2.jpg (http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/04/10/photo-credit-2.jpg)
On July 7, 2009 the Staples Center memorial was held in front of thousands of people in downtown L.A. -- Jackson's body was ensconced in a $25,000 bronze casket.
After the memorial, although hundreds of cameras and thousands of eyes were trained on the exits, no one saw any evidence that the casket left the building. It fueled a grassy knoll-type theory that Jackson's body wasn't really inside the casket and maybe he was still alive.
Finally, our spies have come clean. Jackson's body did indeed arrive in a hearse, but it left in a SWAT van. The van was driven to a secret location, where it rendezvoused with a Forest Lawn van -- which then transported the body to the cemetery without being noticed.
You're welcome.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/10/michael-j ... es-center/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/10/michael-jackson-casket-memorial-burial-staples-center/)
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... in a SWAT van?! :shock: What on earth has a SWAT van to do with a funeral :shock: :?: :!: Holy cow, if this is no hoax (which I believe it is) then a SWAT van clearly is pretty much exagerated for a simple 'body transfer' ... ;) even when transferring a celeb body ... *shakes her head*
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99% Still alive
1% RIP
Total Votes: 6,875,337
:lol: :lol: