Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: larry141094 on April 03, 2010, 05:29:41 AM
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Hey everyone, luv you mo.
The point of me being here is not to be a nuisance, but rather to help you guys in your grieving process.
Now time for a proper "This Is It" Dissection, Souza and Mo, no disrespect toward you two, but i do believe you made one or two mistakes in your review of Michael Jackson's last stand "This Is It".
For those who haven’t got it yet, you can watch it here:
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<<< Well thats a shame now isn't it? oh well, its ok i have my own High Quality version here on my computer.
First we have the dancers, what a drama and overacting. Particularly Shannon Holzapffel. We looked at eachother in the cinema and had to stop ourselves from laughing our asses off.
<<< Ok we know you think this film is ridiculous but there are two things here, firstly imagine how you would react if you got the chance to dance ON STAGE with MICHAEL JACKSON! it would make you jump up and down with excitement, i know i would, the other thing which you may or may not know is that Shannon has Bipolar, and was in fact wanting to commit suicide (just listen to his words), so we need to show a bit of compassion here, after all we want haters to show compassion to Mike don't we?
Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
Keyplayers:
Red pants (they look orange to me)
Suit guy
S and M start by saying that the video and the sound is off... well it looks to me that Red pants is singing live, i mean how are they meant to let us hear the sound from BOTH videos hmm? Crossfade it? that would be confusing, no i am sure that they used the audio from one of them, and by the looks of things its Red pants that is singing.
S and M then go on by saying that Red pants IS NOT Michael Jackson, rather they give their first "Who the hell IS THAT" remark, and trust me, theres a lot of those, ok they say he looks flimsy... he isn't going full out you know? he's "marking" the dance, i dance so i should know, when you have another group you have no time to be perfect, so you sorta wobble the moves and get off the stage.
Still not convinced? PICTURES PICTURES, GLORIOUS PICTURES! lets have a little comparison of Suit Guy and Red Pants.
Suit guy (with added glasses) (http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s354/larry141094/suitguyglasses.jpg)
Red pants
(http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s354/larry141094/redpants1.jpg)
Now tell me they aren't the same person!
Now hold on a tic... S and M forgot to mention the Acapella of Speechless!
And it was sung LIVE by... RED PANTS
(http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s354/larry141094/redpants2.jpg)
Now S and M shortly mention the auditions saying Michael had the wrong eyes, but i think if i remember the camera was only on him for a split second, so lets take a look at that.
(http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s354/larry141094/rehersalmj.jpg)
Compare that to this one
(http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s354/larry141094/scguy.jpg)
Same person? im pretty sure
Jam ^^^ same shizz
The Drill:
Keyplayers:
Red pants/Orange pants
Suit guy
Gold Pants
Cool moof <<<?? lolwut
Chomp chomp, defa cool moof…. Oh my, here we almost pissed our pants and got banned from the cinema
<<< now i don't know about you but im sure that would be CHEWING gum right? maybe him and the kids got obsessed with it in those final years? i mean Prince WAS chewing gum at the memorial service wasn't he? No way thats a connection i'm sure.
And then there is yet another WHO THE HELL IS THAT? remark, can i offer a person? perhaps it's Michael Jackson maybe? there is no way THREE people could have the same nose, cheekbones and voice of Michael Jackson, Hey e cass was close, but EASILY recognizable from Michael Jackson.
AND THEN THE SHOCKER OF THE DAY (of course no where NEAR as shocking as the 'This is NOT It' ppl claiming Mike was 49kg at the time of death) They said that there was ONE CAMERA?! wait hangon... what? no there were 8, 3 up the front 1 on the immediate left, 2 hand helds on stage, one near the back and one diagonal to the right of the stage.
Human Nature:
Key players:
Red pants
Suit Guy
Gold pants
Penguin guy
S and M didn't give us a "WHO THE HELL IS THAT?!" on the penguin guy, but they did say his shoulders... (lolwut) were too small (despite the fact that it was the actual clothing and not his shoulders) and they said the movements were too FEMININE! Uhm... need i remind you that Michael is a feminine person, and i don't see feminine in that, i just see improvising to tell you the truth.
Now S and M don't think we should be fooled by MJ's beautiful voice... so we won't.
They came to the conclusion that Red pants and Penguin guy are NOT Michael jackson, i beg to differ, Gold pants looks identical to both Red Pants AND Penguin guy, Suit guy only looks identical if you put sunglasses on him.
Smooth Criminal:
Our keyplayers:
- Cool moof
- Red-pants
- Gold-pants
- Smooth Criminal
S and M both agree that the Culver Studio MJ is the REAL MJ <<< I agree there, but they have already screwed themselves by saying that, why? JUN-04 2009 was what the camera read the day of the Drill, same day as Cool moof, Now they were at Culver from 1st June through to 9th of June, Thriller was filmed on the last 3 days, They don't care about us was finished up on the 4th... the 4th was the day they filmed the shadow scene.
What does that mean? Cool moof= MJ
Look i have to have dinner now, i could go on all day, but basically i believe they are ALL Michael Jackson, you may believe different, but it's not rocket science
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Now that I have the DVD, and can sit 2 inches from the screen I can say honestly I think it's all Michael too. Otherwise (a.k.a. doppelganger) is under the absolutely if necessary though quite unlikely category. :)
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It are M.J.and Ernest Valentino.
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It are M.J.and Ernest Valentino.
Your kidding right? this guy (http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/14/48/24/48/ernest10.jpg)
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Hi Larry,
I kinda laughed when I saw the title of your thread, as you claim your dissection of TII is the PROPER one. It's perfectly fine with me for you to say yours is proper, but I still stand with our review. Watching the DVD over and over again only convinced me more that it's not Michael Jackson all throughout This Is it.
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I agree with the OP.
Others are just deluded.
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I agree, I think its all Michael in TII.
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It is ALL Michael in TII
They used doubles to rehearse when the backup dancers were learning their dance moves
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Yeh, but I agree with Mo & Souza on this one. It IS definitely a double in the orange pants.....but that is my opinion. As always with L.O.V.E xox
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Yeh, but I agree with Mo & Souza on this one. It IS definitely a double in the orange pants.....but that is my opinion. As always with L.O.V.E xox
if the orange pants is a double, then they would have to have a perfect voice double ....
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There's only one double in the film and there's very little actual footage of him used.
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It is ALL Michael in TII
They used doubles to rehearse when the backup dancers were learning their dance moves
Yep here i go again
ALL MICHAEL 1000% in TII!
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I also agree... all are Micheal in TII
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I agree with you Larry, The same day I bought TII I watched it.. And I Instantly thought that it was ALL MICHAEL ;) I have no doubt about it.. I also think that TII was meant to be a concert, even that there were cameras all over and everything, it seemed that they spent a lot of money on it :? that doesnt fit to me at all
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The whole Mystery of TII can really only be explained by Michael Himself :lol:
I believe that its all michael and that there in fact was a double going to be used in London, but only for a few endings so that michael can change outfit
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I also believe it's all Michael.
If it's not him, then it makes me wonder why and from whom I'm a fan for almost 20 years now...
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I think that it wasn't always Michael in TII. Even if Michael doesn't give his 100% because it's just rehearsals you recognize his gestures and manners.
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Well, i was convinced from the very start that it's Michael, no doubles used
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I would just like to remind everyone about something... you all keep talking about his "mannerisms" like you knew him personally, we have NEVER seen how he creates a show before, so we have nothing to compare it too, just watch memories of Michael in the special features and tell me it isn't him
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I'll just way i want to beLIEve its all Michael and he is doing it all for L.O.V.E. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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I would just like to remind everyone about something... you all keep talking about his "mannerisms" like you knew him personally, we have NEVER seen how he creates a show before, so we have nothing to compare it too, just watch memories of Michael in the special features and tell me it isn't him
I guess you missed all those youtube videos containing rehearsal footage of previous tours Larry..? Search for them, watch them, and then come back.
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here we go... Bad tour rehearsals, reminds me of This Is It to be honest
[youtube:3iba2b30]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaGcKzvetmQ[/youtube:3iba2b30]
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i agree with mo and souza doubles were used in tii.
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here we go... Bad tour rehearsals, reminds me of This Is It to be honest
[youtube:1h6gl9be]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaGcKzvetmQ[/youtube:1h6gl9be]
Well Larry, after seeing this video I can only conclude one thing: You must have a different DVD of This Is It than I have.
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its possible lol, i have the collectors edition with extra footage, i just want to know, in the bad rehearsal video wat was different between the MJ in that and the MJ in TII, i just want to know what you think.
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Well, at least I saw ONE MJ in it, as far as I could see considering the low quality of the footage, and this MJ could and did dance.
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only thing is, he was in full dress rehearsal, and thats it, but his mannerisms were the same, gentle but to the point.
Case Closed, Michael Jackson was the only Michael Jackson in This Is It, Just watch this [youtube:3m3o4ucr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSvkktZSIXg[/youtube:3m3o4ucr]
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Larry141094, I agree with you for a 100%.
The double-story is the most unrealistic thing I've ever heard.
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only thing is, he was in full dress rehearsal, and thats it, but his mannerisms were the same, gentle but to the point.
Case Closed, Michael Jackson was the only Michael Jackson in This Is It, Just watch this
You are telling me case closed after showing me a clip of different Mikes..? :lol: I don't think so Larry...it's far from closed...
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12 people (including me) that have replied believe it's Michael, 6 people (including you and souza) believe it isn't but even you guys are torn in your beliefs.
^^^ Thats evidence enough, the people can't be wrong, the case IS closed, and it IS time to move on, if your gonna have a hoax site, NEVER use opinion as fact
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i dont think ernest did TII rehearsal footage, i believe what he said is that he was asked to do the tour - on 20th June when he meet up with mike and had some fun
thank god - they had some jokes
TII is on sky at the moment - box office - but i find it hard to watch it - i saw it at the cinema - i believed the person i saw was mike
i have heard that the sound was altered -
but i believe that the person i saw was mike, but i accept that mike had stunt doubles and the mini movies had them
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12 people (including me) that have replied believe it's Michael, 6 people (including you and souza) believe it isn't but even you guys are torn in your beliefs.
^^^ Thats evidence enough, the people can't be wrong, the case IS closed, and it IS time to move on, if your gonna have a hoax site, NEVER use opinion as fact
Never use opinion as fact..? Isn't that what YOU just did Larry...?
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All MJ only double was for stunts (like in smooth criminal shoot).
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(http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s354/larry141094/rehersalmj.jpg)
(http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s354/larry141094/scguy.jpg) they don't look the same, IMO, they both look like doubles...
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OMG you are all cracking me up! Thanks:)
Moving along, I don't agree a "case is closed" simply because some of us agree & some of us don't. It doesn't prove anything,..does it?
I happen to agree however that is was all MJ, excluding the Smooth Criminal, but that doesn't mean I am correct & it doesn't mean that others are either:)
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I believe that it was the real MJ in TII..
Maybe he use stunt doubles sometimes
like in smooth criminal but the rest ALL MJ.. ;)
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The only real Michael Jackson is wearing the 7s shirt under a jacket or other shirt and is sans sunglasses and earpieces after the Dancing Machine/fist in ear segment.
Red pants isn't Michael.
Penguin dude isn't Michael.
It's quite obvious to me having watched Michael move for 25 years, he doesn't have a single effeminate quality to his movements. Never has. And no one has ever produced video evidence to the contrary on one of these doubles debate threads.
SHOW ME tape of Michael Jackson moving like a fag.
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The only real Michael Jackson is wearing the 7s shirt under a jacket or other shirt and is sans sunglasses and earpieces after the Dancing Machine/fist in ear segment.
Red pants isn't Michael.
Penguin dude isn't Michael.
It's quite obvious to me having watched Michael move for 25 years, he doesn't have a single effeminate quality to his movements. Never has. And no one has ever produced video evidence to the contrary on one of these doubles debate threads.
SHOW ME tape of Michael Jackson moving like a fag.
is sans?........
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The only real Michael Jackson is wearing the 7s shirt under a jacket or other shirt and is sans sunglasses and earpieces after the Dancing Machine/fist in ear segment.
Red pants isn't Michael.
Penguin dude isn't Michael.
It's quite obvious to me having watched Michael move for 25 years, he doesn't have a single effeminate quality to his movements. Never has. And no one has ever produced video evidence to the contrary on one of these doubles debate threads.
SHOW ME tape of Michael Jackson moving like a fag.
It's really awesome how you like to refer to the movements as "like a fag".
That's sarcasm. I think it makes you totally ignorant.
Believing in doubles in TII is fine and dandy. Many people do. But I don't think there's really a need to bring FAG into it.
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I would agree that I think all of TII is M.J. However, since there has been a statement made by some person or other that there was a double used, but only for the bit with filming something... I don't think that person was in the movie.You can just tell Michael is Michael, because of the hands. His hands do not lie. :B
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Come on guys :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Where's the ARMY of LOVE gone :?: :?:
Fights will not be won if we are divided. Respect eachother, please.
I tell my 7yo son, If you don't like something, walk away.....It's that simple. MJ would be either ashamed or laughing right now.
Anyway, don't forget the fact that his own FATHER, said there were doubles used in some parts, when MJ was too busy preparing for his ESCAPE, and when he couldn't be there for rehearsals....
It's a fact that doubles get used all the time as "stand ins" so rehearsals can continue without the artist being there.....now that is a fact. Why they used this footage of a stand in, only Kenny Ortega can answer......
As always, with L.O.V.E xox
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The only real Michael Jackson is wearing the 7s shirt under a jacket or other shirt and is sans sunglasses and earpieces after the Dancing Machine/fist in ear segment.
Red pants isn't Michael.
Penguin dude isn't Michael.
It's quite obvious to me having watched Michael move for 25 years, he doesn't have a single effeminate quality to his movements. Never has. And no one has ever produced video evidence to the contrary on one of these doubles debate threads.
SHOW ME tape of Michael Jackson moving like a fag.
It's really awesome how you like to refer to the movements as "like a fag".
That's sarcasm. I think it makes you totally ignorant.
Believing in doubles in TII is fine and dandy. Many people do. But I don't think there's really a need to bring FAG into it.
Let's not use that word anymore, please. Michael had a femme side when he got into character. It was him expressing himself, nothing more. Take a look at "In the Closet " Dangerous Tour Segment. When he's dancing with the two other dancers. Take a look at the VERY old interview from Neverland with Latoya when he was young. He would simply get into character for a song - nothing more. Then other times he was completely different. The genius plays the role for whatever he is feeling.
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The only real Michael Jackson is wearing the 7s shirt under a jacket or other shirt and is sans sunglasses and earpieces after the Dancing Machine/fist in ear segment.
Red pants isn't Michael.
Penguin dude isn't Michael.
It's quite obvious to me having watched Michael move for 25 years, he doesn't have a single effeminate quality to his movements. Never has. And no one has ever produced video evidence to the contrary on one of these doubles debate threads.
SHOW ME tape of Michael Jackson moving like a fag.
It's really awesome how you like to refer to the movements as "like a fag".
That's sarcasm. I think it makes you totally ignorant.
Believing in doubles in TII is fine and dandy. Many people do. But I don't think there's really a need to bring FAG into it.
Let's not use that word anymore, please. Michael had a femme side when he got into character. It was him expressing himself, nothing more. Take a look at "In the Closet " Dangerous Tour Segment. When he's dancing with the two other dancers. Take a look at the VERY old interview from Neverland with Latoya when he was young. He would simply get into character for a song - nothing more. Then other times he was completely different. The genius plays the role for whatever he is feeling.
I very much agree with you.
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There's only one double in the film and there's very little actual footage of him used.
:shock: 8-) :o
Yea I know who the double was for... :?
Kenny O. HUH? Roflmao...
I so wish today was April 1st again! :lol:
:geek:
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Why would you use a stunt double in rehearsals and film that for your archives. I mean, I realize that you may want to have the stunt double practice and all but it just isn't making sense to me. Now if TII was being filmed in HD and was intended to be a movie all along, well then you would film the stunt double doing the stunts, which is what we saw :lol:
Anyways, I am not going to get into this debate. In the end I don't really think it matters double or not, Michael is alive! 8-)
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S and M both agree that the Culver Studio MJ is the REAL MJ <<< I agree there, but they have already screwed themselves by saying that, why? JUN-04 2009 was what the camera read the day of the Drill, same day as Cool moof, Now they were at Culver from 1st June through to 9th of June, Thriller was filmed on the last 3 days, They don't care about us was finished up on the 4th... the 4th was the day they filmed the shadow scene.
What does that mean? Cool moof= MJ[attachment=0:pgxjgaum]mjtiiculverstudio.jpg[/attachment:pgxjgaum]
Is MJ or a double at Culver Studio? I thought that was the real MJ. All I know that he looks so gorgeous. I love how it sounds like he is chewing gum. Prolly Big Red Gum. All I know is that his lips looks so gorgeous and so kissable. Hee hee :oops:
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The only real Michael Jackson is wearing the 7s shirt under a jacket or other shirt and is sans sunglasses and earpieces after the Dancing Machine/fist in ear segment.
Red pants isn't Michael.
Penguin dude isn't Michael.
It's quite obvious to me having watched Michael move for 25 years, he doesn't have a single effeminate quality to his movements. Never has. And no one has ever produced video evidence to the contrary on one of these doubles debate threads.
SHOW ME tape of Michael Jackson moving like a fag.
It's really awesome how you like to refer to the movements as "like a fag".
That's sarcasm. I think it makes you totally ignorant.
Believing in doubles in TII is fine and dandy. Many people do. But I don't think there's really a need to bring FAG into it.
Well luckily I'm too polite and civil and respectful and mature to tell you what I think of you in an unprovoked catty snarky bitch face fashion. Truly, the forum is a better place because of people like me.
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The only real Michael Jackson is wearing the 7s shirt under a jacket or other shirt and is sans sunglasses and earpieces after the Dancing Machine/fist in ear segment.
Red pants isn't Michael.
Penguin dude isn't Michael.
It's quite obvious to me having watched Michael move for 25 years, he doesn't have a single effeminate quality to his movements. Never has. And no one has ever produced video evidence to the contrary on one of these doubles debate threads.
SHOW ME tape of Michael Jackson moving like a fag.
It's really awesome how you like to refer to the movements as "like a fag".
That's sarcasm. I think it makes you totally ignorant.
Believing in doubles in TII is fine and dandy. Many people do. But I don't think there's really a need to bring FAG into it.
Well luckily I'm too polite and civil and respectful and mature to tell you what I think of you in an unprovoked catty snarky bitch face fashion. Truly, the forum is a better place because of people like me.
Whatever you say. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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The only real Michael Jackson is wearing the 7s shirt under a jacket or other shirt and is sans sunglasses and earpieces after the Dancing Machine/fist in ear segment.
Red pants isn't Michael.
Penguin dude isn't Michael.
It's quite obvious to me having watched Michael move for 25 years, he doesn't have a single effeminate quality to his movements. Never has. And no one has ever produced video evidence to the contrary on one of these doubles debate threads.
SHOW ME tape of Michael Jackson moving like a fag.
It's really awesome how you like to refer to the movements as "like a fag".
That's sarcasm. I think it makes you totally ignorant.
Believing in doubles in TII is fine and dandy. Many people do. But I don't think there's really a need to bring FAG into it.
Well luckily I'm too polite and civil and respectful and mature to tell you what I think of you in an unprovoked catty snarky bitch face fashion. Truly, the forum is a better place because of people like me.
Whatever you say. :roll: :roll: :roll:
okay seriously. come on guys. enough is enough. why the hell do people have to get so upset over whether or not michael used doubles? why can't we agree to disagree? in my opinion, i don't think believing either way hinders the hoax. there's like 5 different topics where the "doubles" hoopla is discussed and it's getting annoying. it never ends well. stop bashing each other.
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The only real Michael Jackson is wearing the 7s shirt under a jacket or other shirt and is sans sunglasses and earpieces after the Dancing Machine/fist in ear segment.
Red pants isn't Michael.
Penguin dude isn't Michael.
It's quite obvious to me having watched Michael move for 25 years, he doesn't have a single effeminate quality to his movements. Never has. And no one has ever produced video evidence to the contrary on one of these doubles debate threads.
SHOW ME tape of Michael Jackson moving like a fag.
It's really awesome how you like to refer to the movements as "like a fag".
That's sarcasm. I think it makes you totally ignorant.
Believing in doubles in TII is fine and dandy. Many people do. But I don't think there's really a need to bring FAG into it.
Well luckily I'm too polite and civil and respectful and mature to tell you what I think of you in an unprovoked catty snarky bitch face fashion. Truly, the forum is a better place because of people like me.
Whatever you say. :roll: :roll: :roll:
okay seriously. come on guys. enough is enough. why the hell do people have to get so upset over whether or not michael used doubles? why can't we agree to disagree? in my opinion, i don't think believing either way hinders the hoax. there's like 5 different topics where the "doubles" hoopla is discussed and it's getting annoying. it never ends well. stop bashing each other.
Lolz. My hostility didn't come from the doubles theory at all. It came from the whole "fag" thing. I have a right to find that offensive and as you can see, I will exercise that right.
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The only real Michael Jackson is wearing the 7s shirt under a jacket or other shirt and is sans sunglasses and earpieces after the Dancing Machine/fist in ear segment.
Red pants isn't Michael.
Penguin dude isn't Michael.
It's quite obvious to me having watched Michael move for 25 years, he doesn't have a single effeminate quality to his movements. Never has. And no one has ever produced video evidence to the contrary on one of these doubles debate threads.
SHOW ME tape of Michael Jackson moving like a fag.
It's really awesome how you like to refer to the movements as "like a fag".
That's sarcasm. I think it makes you totally ignorant.
Believing in doubles in TII is fine and dandy. Many people do. But I don't think there's really a need to bring FAG into it.
Well luckily I'm too polite and civil and respectful and mature to tell you what I think of you in an unprovoked catty snarky bitch face fashion. Truly, the forum is a better place because of people like me.
Whatever you say. :roll: :roll: :roll:
okay seriously. come on guys. enough is enough. why the hell do people have to get so upset over whether or not michael used doubles? why can't we agree to disagree? in my opinion, i don't think believing either way hinders the hoax. there's like 5 different topics where the "doubles" hoopla is discussed and it's getting annoying. it never ends well. stop bashing each other.
Lolz. My hostility didn't come from the doubles theory at all. It came from the whole "fag" thing. I have a right to find that offensive and as you can see, I will exercise that right.
I m with u on that @Jessicakthx. Definitely.
@ BEC: How dare u use the "fag" word as an argument???? That s utterly disgusting...I am really sad to see we are able to go on that side. I see MJ didnt teach u nothing. What s next? Some racist words?
If u think u make the forum a better place after calling someone a fag...well...makes me wanna puke
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the bad rehearsals vid is fasinating
he said it was he last as well (wanting to do film and records) - is there anything on the net about this?
yes dont see a difference - except he had a dress rehearsal - no dress rehearsal on the cinema version - unless i missed it when crying.
then footage stated that he used standins - no secret there at all
and she refers to mike - being back
the new comeback kid -
yes looked the same - so not a movie for the sake of a movie
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The only real Michael Jackson is wearing the 7s shirt under a jacket or other shirt and is sans sunglasses and earpieces after the Dancing Machine/fist in ear segment.
Red pants isn't Michael.
Penguin dude isn't Michael.
It's quite obvious to me having watched Michael move for 25 years, he doesn't have a single effeminate quality to his movements. Never has. And no one has ever produced video evidence to the contrary on one of these doubles debate threads.
SHOW ME tape of Michael Jackson moving like a fag.
It's really awesome how you like to refer to the movements as "like a fag".
That's sarcasm. I think it makes you totally ignorant.
Believing in doubles in TII is fine and dandy. Many people do. But I don't think there's really a need to bring FAG into it.
Well luckily I'm too polite and civil and respectful and mature to tell you what I think of you in an unprovoked catty snarky bitch face fashion. Truly, the forum is a better place because of people like me.
Whatever you say. :roll: :roll: :roll:
okay seriously. come on guys. enough is enough. why the hell do people have to get so upset over whether or not michael used doubles? why can't we agree to disagree? in my opinion, i don't think believing either way hinders the hoax. there's like 5 different topics where the "doubles" hoopla is discussed and it's getting annoying. it never ends well. stop bashing each other.
Lolz. My hostility didn't come from the doubles theory at all. It came from the whole "fag" thing. I have a right to find that offensive and as you can see, I will exercise that right.
I m with u on that @Jessicakthx. Definitely.
@ BEC: How dare u use the "fag" word as an argument???? That s utterly disgusting...I am really sad to see we are able to go on that side. I see MJ didnt teach u nothing. What s next? Some racist words?
If u think u make the forum a better place after calling someone a fag...well...makes me wanna puke
I didn't call anyone a fag. I used the word as a metaphor. Nor did I use it in a derogatory sense, merely descriptive. Did I use it for shock value? Yes, but only to draw attention to what I was saying. So easily people become distracted from the issue.
20 years ago "fag" was a loaded word. These days the word has become defused largely in part by giving it a new definition, one which is not derogatory. Is it derogatory to be referred to as a flamboyant homosexual man? Nope, it's descriptive and there's nothing wrong with flamboyant homosexuality in my book. But Michael Jackson is not a flamboyant homosexual man. Michael Jackson is not a fag. I wouldn't like him any less if he was but the fact remains that he is not. And that's my point.
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Was it MJ who performed Billie Jean during the movie? If not, I really really liked that double. :lol:
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Was it MJ who performed Billie Jean during the movie? If not, I really really liked that double. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Thanks. ;)
It was getting very heated in here. I thought that I'd lighten things up a bit.
Was it MJ who performed Billie Jean during the movie? If not, I really really liked that double. :lol:
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