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Dr. Murray: 'I'm Hanging by a Thread'
Posted Apr 1st 2010 2:32PM by TMZ Staff
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Dr. Conrad Murray's lawyer filed legal papers today pleading with the judge in his criminal case not to yank his medical license, because he needs it to pay for his defense.
Murray's lawyers are responding to the State Attorney General's motion, asking the judge to suspend his medical license as a condition to bail.
Murray's lawyer, Ed Chernoff, says his client was in financial hot water before Michael Jackson's death and is now, "without fear of overstatement, hanging on by a thread."
Murray believes if the judge suspends his license, Texas and Nevada will follow suit and the doctor won't be able to make the money required to mount a defense. Although we're told Chernoff won't be making money, Murray is still responsible for expert witness fees and other trial-related expenses.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0jsKHhLM0 (http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0jsKHhLM0)
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What!?
What a coincidence! :shock:
Is our Dr Conrad Murray member someone from TMZ???
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What!?
What a coincidence! :shock:
Is our Dr Conrad Murray member someone from TMZ???
Weird :D
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Oh my heart bleeds... if MJ really is dead, then yank his medical licence off him.. he isnt fit to be a Doctor for heavens sake... he should have thought about all this before he injected Propofol into my beloveds veins and taking $100,000 a months for being the worlds lousiest doctor. :roll:
Sorry.. makes me a bit angry.
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Tmz is loving Michael today.
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What!?
What a coincidence! :shock:
Is our Dr Conrad Murray member someone from TMZ???
:shock:
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What!?
What a coincidence! :shock:
Is our Dr Conrad Murray member someone from TMZ???
Weird :D
Have i missed something? Why is this a co-incidence? Can someone explain?
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Have i missed something? Why is this a co-incidence? Can someone explain?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8010 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8010)
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Have i missed something? Why is this a co-incidence? Can someone explain?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8010 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8010)
Ahh.. ok. Thanks. :roll: What the heck???
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Murray/TMZ Mystery solved: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8010&start=50#p131557 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8010&start=50#p131557)
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ok I couldnt help but look up thread on a book about symbology...(im getting obsessed with this so bear with me LOL)
thread: This is a symbol of human life spun by the gods. Greek mythology relates how Theseus ESCAPED from Labyrith after being given a ball of thread to follow. In Hinduism males from the higher castes wear a three-stranded thread symbolizing reality, passion and stillness.
so hear you have it...
LOL I think im going insane... but yea
could be nothing but could be something..probably nothing :lol:
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That argument that he needs to work to pay for his defense... a little strange.
Lawyer: Please Mr judge, my client needs his license to pay me...
Does he even earn enough to support his children, pay the lawyers, the bail(?), his journeys, the gym... ?
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Means that TMZ is secretly watching us... :? :? Weird.
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I have never heard that Ed Chernoff is a public defender for Murray's case, so how come TMZ says "... we're told Chernoff won't be making money...? Is he suddenly a philanthropist helping Murray for free :? :? :?
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I have never heard that Ed Chernoff is a public defender for Murray's case, so how come TMZ says "... we're told Chernoff won't be making money...? Is he suddenly a philanthropist helping Murray for free :? :? :?
Yes it also caught my attention...
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Like Joe said on Larry King well who paid Murray's bail? Who? Now all of a sudden he wants to keep practicing medicine!! They should have BEEN yanked the license but nooooooo....the judge said "Now don't be giving no mo anesthesia ya hear?" :evil: This is crazy.
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`chernoff could be working for free if he hopes to get some fame from such a high profile case...could be..
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he must have professional medical insurance
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Pro bono?
Pro pofol?
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Wasn't there a thread posted last week that Murray was in jail for some time instead of paying bail?
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As far as I know, not exactly.
If you get into the LAPD and look for the case, Murray has never paid the bail, which would mean he should have been in jail.
I´m looking for the LAPD link of the case, but I can´t find it now...
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As far as I know, not exactly.
If you get into the LAPD and look for the case, Murray has never paid the bail, which would mean he should have been in jail.
I´m looking for the LAPD link of the case, but I can´t find it now...
i think that it is the bail bond guys that pays the bail or gurantees the bail, but not sure what murray bails probably only a fraction of it and the full amount if he breaks bail.
i still think that murray would have to pay insurance to practice in the US especially because of US litigation system and that all medical care generally is paid for
this insurance would probably cover legal adice to a certain level of cover
i doubt that his defence will do it for nothing
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It was at LASD. The link is this:
http://app4.lasd.org/iic/details.cfm (http://app4.lasd.org/iic/details.cfm)
Case number: SA07316401
But it´s not working now...
In this thread is where taken into custody was discussed:
LASD site. Nothing makes sense anymore. (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=5454&p=85711&hilit=http%3A%2F%2Fapp4.lasd.org%2Fiic%2Fdetails.cfm#p85711)
There was a first one talking about the lack of any payment entry in that site... but I can´t find it now.
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Thanks somekindofsign
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Murray's lawyer, Ed Chernoff, says his client was in financial hot water before Michael Jackson's death and is now, "without fear of overstatement, hanging on by a thread."
Murray is in hot water .. what are simmering ... :lol: :lol:
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hmmm, this statement is also quite strange for defence to make "Murray's lawyer, Ed Chernoff, says his client was in financial hot water before Michael Jackson's death and is now, "without fear of overstatement, hanging on by a thread."
If Murray was in financial distress before he was hired by MJ, and allegedly was supposed to be paid lots of $$$, so one can assume that in order to keep the job, Murray would have done everything what MJ requested, including giving him any drug he wanted. I am not a lawyer but why the hell the defense is giving such risky statements that may provide evidence to the prosecution :?
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Welcome!
Oh, now I´ve found this (http://app4.lasd.org/iic/case.cfm?BCA_CASE_NO=SA07316401&COURT_NAME=LAX%20LA%20MUNI%20COURT%20DIV%20144%20%20%20%20%20&COURT_ADDRESS=11701%20S.%20LA%20CIENEGA%20BLVD.%20%20%20&COURT_CITY=LOS%20ANGELESUPT&BCA_BAIL_AMO1=0&BCA_TOT_FINE1=%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20.00&BCA_NEXT_COURT_DATE_1=2010-04-05%2000:00:00.0&BCA_DATE_OF_SENTENCE=2010-02-08%2000:00:00.0&BCH_LENGTH_OF_SENTENCE=0&BCA_DISP_CODE=BOND&DISP_DESCRIPTION=BOND) that seems a part of the other report that doesn´t work...
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somekindofsign wrote:
That argument that he needs to work to pay for his defense... a little strange.
Lawyer: Please Mr judge, my client needs his license to pay me...
Does he even earn enough to support his children, pay the lawyers, the bail(?), his journeys, the gym... ?
! yes! life is a carnival ..... :lol: :lol:
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Murray is broke and this seems to be common knowledge right? so,these top class, high price lawyer(s) agreed to defend a man who may not be able to pay for the legal bills - it's a bit risky. Unless it's all for media exposure, this being such a high profile case and all... :?
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! yes! life is a carnival ..... :lol: :lol:
yeah! :lol:
Look, I´ve found the good one:
http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm (http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm)
I remember this record the day before the hearing and the bail amount was 75.000$, and 0$ was payed.
Now it says:
Total Bail Amount: 0 Total Hold Bail Amount: 0.00 Grand Total: 0.00
Actual Release Date: 02/25/2010
Does this mean that he really was in jail from 02/08/2010 to 02/25/2010??? :shock:
Or "release date" means the record release date?
Does it mean that on 02/25 the bail was set to 0$ ? :shock:
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the_gloved_one wrote:
Murray is broke and this seems to be common knowledge right? so,these top class, high prices lawyer(s) agreed to defend a man who may not be able to pay for the legal bills - it's a bit risky. Unless it all for media exposure, this being such a high profile case and all...
Well, Murray is known to relate ... the Murray black or white Murray.
Some time ago it was said that Conrad Murray was an actor, maybe Michael chose a black actor to demonstrate how the trial is both media and the judiciary, and society in general, when the defendant is a black person. ;) 8-)
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Have you seen that below this news they are linking Murray´s first video again?
CONRAD MURRAY THANKS SUPPORTERS (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=0330431a-ded7-4142-9693-8aba7fad8427)
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Have you seen that below this news they are linking Murray´s first video again?
CONRAD MURRAY THANKS SUPPORTERS (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=0330431a-ded7-4142-9693-8aba7fad8427)
YES. Don't you think that it's kinda WEIRD ? Seems that Murray is wearing a green jacket...
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OK TMZ if you're reading please let us know...you could use "Malcolm in the middle" in one of your next breaking news as a hint...
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Stressing his innocence again?
Asking for support?
I do think it´s weird that they link this video again...
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Brian Oxman said in his radio interview that he was told that Murray's lawyers were working pro bono. He did say he did not believe it though.
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Yes because they present it as if it was something new.
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if you link the recent TMZ posts' titles (28 and 30th of March) and this video, interesting message comes up from C.Murray:
- I told the truth. I did nothing wrong. Michael was alive at UCLA.
:)
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if you link the recent TMZ posts' titles (28 and 30th of March) and this video, interesting message comes up from C.Murray:
- I told the truth. I did nothing wrong. Michael was alive at UCLA.
:)
:lol: Yes correct :lol:
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If replacing the video of Murray ... 8-) :lol:
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and the same news by CNN
Lawyer: Dr. Conrad Murray is "hanging on by a thread" financially
By Alan Duke, CNN
March 24, 2010 7:49 a.m. EDT
The California Medical Board wants a judge to bar Dr. Conrad Murray from seeing patients in California as a condition of bail.
Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- Dr. Conrad Murray is "hanging on by a thread" financially and could not afford to defend himself against charges in Michael Jackson's death if he loses his medical license, according to his lawyer.
"His ability to pay for his own defense depends almost entirely on his ability to continue to treat patients in Nevada and Texas," defense attorney Ed Chernoff said in a court filing Thursday.
The California Medical Board will ask a judge Monday to bar Murray -- formerly Jackson's doctor -- from seeing patients in California as a condition of his bail.
When Murray pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter in February, Los Angeles County Judge Keith Schwartz ordered him not to use any anesthesia on patients, as a condition of his $75,000 bail. The judge refused a prosecution request to suspend his medical license.
Read filing on behalf of Dr. Murray (pdf)
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images ... sponse.pdf (http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/04/01/murray.response.pdf)
The Los Angeles coroner concluded Jackson died of "acute propofol intoxication."
Murray told investigators he gave Jackson propofol, a powerful anesthetic, to help him sleep.
California Attorney General Jerry Brown filed a document last week arguing that Murray's treatment of Jackson "demonstrated a serious lack of judgment that should prohibit him from practicing medicine."
Murray's lawyer argued the state is trying to "take another bite at the apple" since the case has been moved to a different judge. They must show "changed circumstances" since bail was first set at the arraignment on February 8, Chernoff said in the filing.
"It cannot be based on a conclusion by the subsequent judge that the first judge simply got it wrong," Chernoff said.
Murray resumed his medical practice in Texas and Nevada last fall, but hasn't had a California patient since Jackson's June 25, 2009 death, Chernoff said.
"As a practical matter, an order that prohibits Defendant from practicing medicine in California will have no effect on the citizens of California," the filing said.
"The order would be a shallow one, designed only to prove a point rather than make a difference," Chernoff said in the filing.
The suspension of his California license, however, would have a "domino effect" on his practices in other states, he said.
"If his Honor restricts his California license even temporarily, then by application of Texas law, Dr. Murray's Texas license to practice medicine shall also be similarly revoked," he said.
The loss of his practices in Las Vegas, Nevada, and Houston, Texas, "would be financially and personally devastating," he said.
"He will likely be faced with the inability to adequately defend himself of the charges facing him in the Superior Court of California."
Murray's defense "will be scientifically based" and requires "intensive attorney work and fees," he said.
"Dr. Murray's financial difficulties as a result of the investigation into this case have already been well publicized," Chernoff said. "He is, without fear of overstatement, hanging on by a thread."
Chernoff also made an argument similar to one successfully used by lawyers for the doctors charged in actress Anna Nicole Smith's death. The judge refused last year to suspend their medical licenses, ruling the medical board should use its own authority to do so.
Attorney General Brown "wants this court to take away defendant's medical license so that the medical board does not have to go through the trouble," Chernoff said.
The constitutions of California and the United States "require due process and at a minimum this means a hearing before an impartial forum."
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/01/mic ... l?hpt=Sbin (http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/01/michael.jackson.conrad.murray/index.html?hpt=Sbin)
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All this looks funny, as it seems he paid no bail...
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http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images ... sponse.pdf (http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/04/01/murray.response.pdf)
45 After arguments of counsel, Judge Schwartz refused the request of the Attorney
46 General to prohibit Defendant from practicing medicine. However, the Judge did order
47 that Defendant limit his practice. Specifically, Judge Schwartz ordered that Defendant 1)
48 not prescribe or administer anesthetic agents such as Propofol and 2) not personally
49 sedate patients. Bail was set at $75,000, which was immediately posted by Defendant
50 (docketed order is attached as Exhibit “B”). Defendant has complied with all conditions
51 set by Judge Schwartz and has made appearances at all required court settings.
Then why the LASD records say 0 $ hold?
http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm (http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm)
BAIL
Total Bail Amount: 0
Total Hold Bail Amount: 0.00
Grand Total: 0.00
Days after the hearing it was
Total Bail Amount: 75,000
Many of us saw it!
What happened between?
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somekindofsign, If it is true many of us saw 8-)
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So...
does anyone understand that now the records from LASD says 0 as bail to pay?
does anyone understand that the defence allegation leaked says it was paid?
(http://www.pkmn-argentina.com/cutenews/data/emoticons/wtf.gif)
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What I understand is that this is false, I am increasingly convinced. 8-) :lol:
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I have never heard that Ed Chernoff is a public defender for Murray's case, so how come TMZ says "... we're told Chernoff won't be making money...? Is he suddenly a philanthropist helping Murray for free :? :? :?
I thought that was odd too. Mr Chernoff would be spending a lot of time gathering evidence in defense of Murray. Maybe it's the exposure that he's banking on.
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Simmer, simmer!!!
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As far as I know, not exactly.
If you get into the LAPD and look for the case, Murray has never paid the bail, which would mean he should have been in jail.
I´m looking for the LAPD link of the case, but I can´t find it now...[/quo
Since the doctor probably didn't have enough of his own money a bondsman probably paid it. I'm sure it was paid.
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That´s not what the report says.
http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm (http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm)
You have skipped some of my posts, I guess.
How you KNOW it?
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I hate to see anyone in hot water. I can't help but feel bad for Dr. Murray. His thinking....and then steps in a huge pile of [in Michael's words] doo doo. The whole thing is just so unfortunate.
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I been simmering soooo long I am about Crispy Crisp!! :lol: