Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: Raven on March 27, 2010, 05:46:39 PM
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According to News Of The World - (tabloid, not the best of sources) Medics at UCLA managed to trigger a pulse for ten minutes:
"By James Desborough, 28/03/2010
MICHAEL JACKSON was almost brought back from the dead, the News of the World can exclusively reveal.
Battling medics managed to restart his heart a full hour after he "flat-lined" following a cardiac arrest last June.
Hospital docs triggered a weak pulse for TEN MINUTES but it could not be sustained.
The incredible development emerged in a lawsuit filed by the pop superstar's father Joe against Conrad Murray, Jacko's personal doctor.
Murray is already charged with involuntary manslaughter over Jacko's death.
Joe's detailed 13-page document claims Murray caused his son's death by giving him drugs and not getting him to hospital sooner. The lawsuit also states Murray:
FAILED to tell paramedics he had given the singer Propofol, the anaesthetic coroners ruled killed the King Of Pop.
OBSTRUCTED justice by giving FIVE different versions of events about the star's death.
ORDERED bodyguards to clear up and hide the Propofol bottles before paramedics were called to the scene in Los Angeles' Hollywood Hills.
LIED to Richelle Cooper, the hospital doctor who took over the stricken star's treatment, telling her Jacko had not been ill when he had pneumonia, bronchitis and brain swelling.
Last night angry Joe, 81, said: "This evidence is damning. They should lock him up and throw away the key. It's disgusting what happened here."
A family insider told us: "Murray's delays and lies cost Michael his life. Why has he not been charged with murder? He failed to do his job and willingly gave Michael the drugs that killed him.
"This lawsuit is not about what we think, it's filled with documentary evidence from those at the scene, who saw what Murray did."
The suit was compiled from police and coroners' documents and evidence from Dr Cooper, the respected head of the UCLA Medical Center Emergency Department.
As we revealed last week, paramedics declared 50-year- old Jackson dead at his home but he was still rushed to hospital, arriving at UCLA at 1.21pm on June 25.
Miraculously in the emergency room Dr Cooper and her team, with their superior equipment, established "cardiac rhythm." Hospital reports say the heartbeat "appeared to be wide and slow in the 40s."
The lawsuit explains: "The nurses and physicians at UCLA detected a weak femoral pulse and cardiac activity.
"At 13:22 hours he showed cardiac activity. At 13:33 he showed a weak ventricular rhythm (contracting of the lower heart chambers).
"At 13:52 he had a pulse of 53 beats per minute."
At 14:05 doctors inserted a balloon pump up through the star's leg to his heart valve entrance, hoping to kick-start normal heart activity. The report goes on: "His diastolic blood pressure (the pressure between heartbeats) went from 20 to approximately 40 at times and sometimes to 60.
"Despite these efforts, Michael Jackson did not regain a spontaneous pulse or heartbeat. Michael was pronounced dead at 2:26 pm."
The exact time of Jacko's Propofol-induced cardiac arrest is unsure, but expert medical analysis obtained for the lawsuit suggests he was actually dead at 11am.
A report by Dr Cooper, filed the day after Jacko's death, is among the most damning parts of the lawsuit against Murray. It shows he did not tell her about his daily Propofol injections.
Dr Cooper wrote: "By report of Dr Murray the patient had been working long hours but had not been ill.
"The only medications reported were Valium and Flomax. There is no history of drug use by the patient as reported by Dr Murray."
Last week we revealed Murray also lied to paramedics about what drugs he had given Jackson.
The lawsuit was filed by Brian Oxman, the attorney who represented Jacko at his 2005 child molestation trial.
Oxman insists Murray has told FIVE different stories about Jacko's drug intake. The suit claims: "He concealed his reckless and deadly use of Propofol for the purpose of protecting himself from his improper use of medications for Michael Jackson when the life of his patient was in jeopardy.
"Three times the defendant falsely stated the nature of the drugs used by and which he administered to Michael."
The suit then claims Murray altered his story a further two times about what and when he gave his patient over a few days last June.
To make matters worse for Murray the lawsuit confirms reports that bodyguard Alberto Alvarez, who raised the alarm, was told to clean up the death scene. It states: "Alvarez told police that before he called 911 defendant instructed him to conceal bottles of Propofol and place them in a bag.
"In an outrageous departure from the standard of care, defendant stopped giving CPR and cleaned up the room so the medications would not be discovered.
"Defendant placed the previously unused wires of a pulse oximeter on Michael Jackson's fingers.
"Alberto Alvarez told police defendant asked him to call 911 only after the drugs were concealed."
The suit also says hours before Jacko's death, Murray was leering at strippers.
The lawsuit continues: "Prior to treating Michael Jackson, defendant was at a strip club called Sam's Hof Brau where he had been drinking.
"It was reckless for him to drink prior to administering anaesthesia to Michael Jackson. He concealed his conduct from Michael Jackson."
Among a huge quantity of powerful medicines found at Jacko's home were 19 tubes of hydroquinone and 18 tubes of Benoquin, both of which are used to whiten skin.
The lawsuit also confirms the singer - once famous for his energetic dancing - was a weak, exhausted, stressed out drug addict in the days before his death.
Murray has 90 days to respond to it.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/76 ... apsed.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/765565/Docs-got-brief-heartbeat-1hr-after-superstar-collapsed.html)
It supposedly is in the files Joe Jackson ordered to file a wrongful death suit: possibly the bombshell he was mentioning earlier.
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How does News of The World get info in the UK before we get it in the US? :?
Did Joe make his statement yet?
Did I miss it?
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How does News of The World get info in the UK before we get it in the US? :?
Did Joe make his statement yet?
Did I miss it?
I'm dammed if i know, and i live in the UK?
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royal tabloid BS!!! alien news! :mrgreen:
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This is very interesting:
FAILED to tell paramedics he had given the singer Propofol, the anaesthetic coroners ruled killed the King Of Pop.
OBSTRUCTED justice by giving FIVE different versions of events about the star's death.
ORDERED bodyguards to clear up and hide the Propofol bottles before paramedics were called to the scene in Los Angeles' Hollywood Hills.
LIED to
FOOL ;)
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And piece by piece... ;)
I bet we will get more stories like that from now on.
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And piece by piece... ;)
I bet we will get more stories like that from now on.
exactly, piece by small piece :)
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I don't believe in all the tabloids either, but why is this good news that we
will get pieces like this? Maybe I am living on another planet? :|
If any of this turns out to be true, then those bodyguards should have almost equal
culpability. They did not WORK for this doctor. They were not required to take any
orders from him, much less something of this magnitude as ANY life hanging in the
balance. :!:
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I don't believe in all the tabloids either, but why is this good news that we
will get pieces like this? Maybe I am living on another planet? :|
If any of this turns out to be true, then those bodyguards should have almost equal
culpability. They did not WORK for this doctor. They were not required to take any
orders from him, much less something of this magnitude as ANY life hanging in the
balance. :!:
I think the report is accurate. This is why there were mixed reports after he got to the
hospital. Mr. Alverez is blaming himself in part I'm sure. He looked really bummed at the funeral. Puts the sensor on his finger after the fact. Gosh...this man just doesn't think clearly about anything. Even if the sensor story isn't true, Dr. Murray doesn't see to know what a condom is. The upside is this...if they had revived Michael he would have had brain damage. I don't know why the family is calling him a drug addict though, aside from the propofol, those scripts they found were barely touched and some had been sitting around for a while. So he didn't seem to be a pill popper. Heck, there's kids today whose parents willingly medicate them with all kinds of junk that's very harmful -ritalin is one. The substance thought to be tar heroin tested negative -that could have belonged to anyone too. Calling him a drug addict makes if sound like he was using elicit drugs.
You know I saw a story in the Enquirer [waiting in line didn't buy] Anyone see that = it was two or three weeks ago. They printed this ridiculous story about a DEA agent coming out with his story. They even had a picture of him. For starters, I don't think an undercover agent is going to be flashing his picture in the paper. Well, briefly his story was this- I don't remember particulars.........The DEA had been watching Michael's house. All kinds of strange vehicles coming and going. Named some license plates from various states. He said something about one of the plates, but I don't recall what. He said something like he didn't know who these vehicles belonged to. It struck me odd that he didn't run the plates. Anyway, it was a bogus story. I think it was that same article that showed a diagram of Michael's body riddled with marks and of course didn't bother to say that most of the marks were from attempts to revive him.
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Woooow,just amazing isn't it.This forum mentions we haven't heard a single thing about Joe Jackson and the papers he obtained,while wondering whats up with that then just a couple of days later BAM we now have a tabloid who furnishes the info for us,well what da ya know.Hey what should we ask for next(aside from michael coming back that is)?Maybe we can get another answer popping up on the internet lol...
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Well...it does show Michael could well have been revived at the hospital. There is the possibility that after having found out that someone had indeed tried to murder him, it was decided IN the hospital to put him under protection. In that case however, the AR is still a very big hurdle, but could have been forged ofcourse. The AR however does mention the balloon pump.
What I find a bit odd is that
- The family had to go to court to get the medical records. Were they already aware of the regaining of a pulse at the hospital?
- After regaining a pulse and insertion of an aorta balloon pump, he was surprisingly enough declared 'dead' within 20 minutes.
- The 'death' declaration at 14:26 was exactly 2 hours after the ambulance call at 12:26
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Well...it does show Michael could well have been revived at the hospital. There is the possibility that after having found out that someone had indeed tried to murder him, it was decided IN the hospital to put him under protection. In that case however, the AR is still a very big hurdle, but could have been forged ofcourse. The AR however does mention the balloon pump.
What I find a bit odd is that
- The family had to go to court to get the medical records. Were they already aware of the regaining of a pulse at the hospital?
- After regaining a pulse and insertion of an aorta balloon pump, he was surprisingly enough declared 'dead' within 20 minutes.
- The 'death' declaration at 14:26 was exactly 2 hours after the ambulance call at 12:26
:lol: IF he was dead when the paramedics arrived, then there is NO WAY a balloon 2 hours later can make him living again. Diffrent statements all the time, nothing but lies.
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Well...it does show Michael could well have been revived at the hospital. There is the possibility that after having found out that someone had indeed tried to murder him, it was decided IN the hospital to put him under protection. In that case however, the AR is still a very big hurdle, but could have been forged ofcourse. The AR however does mention the balloon pump.
What I find a bit odd is that
- The family had to go to court to get the medical records. Were they already aware of the regaining of a pulse at the hospital?
- After regaining a pulse and insertion of an aorta balloon pump, he was surprisingly enough declared 'dead' within 20 minutes.
- The 'death' declaration at 14:26 was exactly 2 hours after the ambulance call at 12:26
:lol: IF he was dead when the paramedics arrived, then there is NO WAY a balloon 2 hours later can make him living again. Diffrent statements all the time, nothing but lies.
Exactly, different statements. It's hard to get to the truth in this. But to my knowledge there isn't a reliable source that confirms the paramedics found him dead.
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Guys, it doesn't matter what the whole article says. What matters is the subliminal message that is being planted in non-believer's heads:
"brought back from the dead"
But, of course, I might be wrong... :)
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This is from Jul 2009
When Michael Jackson went into cardiac arrest, rescuers took him to a place known for bringing the dead back to life. A world-renowned surgeon at the UCLA Medical Center has pioneered a way to revive people that most doctors would have long written off, including a woman whose heart had stopped for 2 1/2 hours.
Tested on a few dozen cardiac arrest patients, 80 percent survived. Usually, more than 80 percent perish.
“They took people who were basically dead, not all that different than Michael Jackson, and saved most of them,” said Dr. Lance Becker, an emergency medicine specialist at the University of Pennsylvania and an American Heart Association spokesman.
Could Jackson, too, have been saved?
It’s impossible to know. Doctors at the hospital worked on him for an hour. The UCLA expert, cardiothoracic surgeon Dr. Gerald Buckberg, said he was not personally involved in Jackson’s treatment, and that too little is known about what preceded it.
“We have no idea when he died versus when he was found,” Buckberg said in a telephone interview.
However, the results in other patients show that “the window is wide open to new thinking” about how long people can be successfully resuscitated after their hearts quit beating, Buckberg said. “We can salvage them way beyond the current time frames that are used. We’ve changed the concept of when the heart is dead permanently.”
They call it “the Lazarus syndrome” for the man the Bible says Jesus raised from the dead.
Let’s be clear: No one is saying that people long dead without medical attention can be revived. The lucky ones in Buckberg’s study received quick help, and the reason they suffered cardiac arrest was known and could be fixed: blocked arteries causing a heart attack, in most cases.
Buckberg’s method requires:
_Prompt CPR — rhythmic chest compressions — to maintain blood pressure until the patient gets to a hospital.
_Use of a heart-lung machine to keep blood and oxygen moving through the body while doctors remedy what caused the heart to quiver or stop in the first place, such as a drug overdose or a clogged artery.
_Special procedures and medicines to gradually restore blood and oxygen flow, so a sudden gush does not cause fresh damage.
Without all three elements, patients might suffer brain damage if they survive at all.
“You can save the heart and lose the brain,” Buckberg explained.
UCLA and hospitals in Birmingham, Ala.; Ann Arbor, Mich.; and in Germany tested Buckberg’s method on 34 patients who had been in cardiac arrest for an average of 72 minutes. All had failed resuscitation methods with standard CPR and defibrillation to try to shock their hearts back to beating.
Only seven died. Only two survivors were left with permanent neurological damage. Results were published in 2006 in the journal Resuscitation.
Dr. Constantine Athanasuleas (pronounced uh-than-uh-SOO’-lee-us), a surgeon at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, treated one man in the study who had been in cardiac arrest for about an hour and a half. The man’s wife, a nurse, did CPR until a helicopter brought him to the hospital.
“He was flatlined,” with a heart “as still as your dining room table,” Athanasuleas said.
Doctors put him on a heart-lung machine, whisked him to the catheterization lab to see if he had artery blockages, then did bypass surgery to detour around them.
“The guy went home and was neurologically perfect” at least two years later, the doctor said.
Buckberg treated a woman who had been in cardiac arrest for 2 1/2 hours.
He would not send her to the operating room until her CPR and blood pressure could be maintained so further treatment could be attempted, he said.
Sadly, the woman survived all this but died several weeks later from an infection.
Buckberg has taken his work further in experiments with pigs in cardiac arrest. He deliberately deprived their brains of blood flow for half an hour, then used his resuscitation techniques to bring them back, with normal or near-normal function. Results presented at a heart association conference last fall stunned many, including Dr. Myron Weisfeldt, a cardiologist and chairman of medicine at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.
“He’s doing extraordinary things. You almost don’t believe the results that he got,” Weisfeldt said of Buckberg. “Most of us carry around in our head that if somebody’s brain is deprived of blood flow for 10 to 15 minutes that we’re just not going to get them back to any useful function. His data suggest it’s possible.”
Doctors in Japan, Taiwan and elsewhere in Asia have tried approaches similar to Buckberg’s with excellent results, said Becker, who is about to try it in Philadelphia.
“It takes training. It takes rethinking” to get doctors to adopt something this new, and funding for bigger studies to prove it works, Buckberg said.
Source: AP
http://jnelj.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/j ... -the-dead/ (http://jnelj.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/just-in-ucla-medical-center-known-for-raising-the-dead/)
So why was Michael not saved??? This is what makes me think he actually did survive it.
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OMG ! have any of you read the book " Hideaway " by Dean R. Koontz ? this book is about a man who survives drowning for about 80 min.But the main thing is, that the metode they use to bring him back is very well written in this book.Very similar to this article, exept that they cool the patient down, and then slowly heat him up again.
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i love the books from dean koontz but this one i havent read yet ,i should read it you think?? :shock:
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i love the books from dean koontz but this one i havent read yet ,i should read it you think?? :shock:
yes, he's a great writer.... and this one is exellent. I can't believe I diden't think of this book before.... :?
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This is from Jul 2009
When Michael Jackson went into cardiac arrest, rescuers took him to a place known for bringing the dead back to life. A world-renowned surgeon at the UCLA Medical Center has pioneered a way to revive people that most doctors would have long written off, including a woman whose heart had stopped for 2 1/2 hours.
Tested on a few dozen cardiac arrest patients, 80 percent survived. Usually, more than 80 percent perish.
“They took people who were basically dead, not all that different than Michael Jackson, and saved most of them,” said Dr. Lance Becker, an emergency medicine specialist at the University of Pennsylvania and an American Heart Association spokesman.
Could Jackson, too, have been saved?
It’s impossible to know. Doctors at the hospital worked on him for an hour. The UCLA expert, cardiothoracic surgeon Dr. Gerald Buckberg, said he was not personally involved in Jackson’s treatment, and that too little is known about what preceded it.
“We have no idea when he died versus when he was found,” Buckberg said in a telephone interview.
However, the results in other patients show that “the window is wide open to new thinking” about how long people can be successfully resuscitated after their hearts quit beating, Buckberg said. “We can salvage them way beyond the current time frames that are used. We’ve changed the concept of when the heart is dead permanently.”
They call it “the Lazarus syndrome” for the man the Bible says Jesus raised from the dead.
Let’s be clear: No one is saying that people long dead without medical attention can be revived. The lucky ones in Buckberg’s study received quick help, and the reason they suffered cardiac arrest was known and could be fixed: blocked arteries causing a heart attack, in most cases.
Buckberg’s method requires:
_Prompt CPR — rhythmic chest compressions — to maintain blood pressure until the patient gets to a hospital.
_Use of a heart-lung machine to keep blood and oxygen moving through the body while doctors remedy what caused the heart to quiver or stop in the first place, such as a drug overdose or a clogged artery.
_Special procedures and medicines to gradually restore blood and oxygen flow, so a sudden gush does not cause fresh damage.
Without all three elements, patients might suffer brain damage if they survive at all.
“You can save the heart and lose the brain,” Buckberg explained.
UCLA and hospitals in Birmingham, Ala.; Ann Arbor, Mich.; and in Germany tested Buckberg’s method on 34 patients who had been in cardiac arrest for an average of 72 minutes. All had failed resuscitation methods with standard CPR and defibrillation to try to shock their hearts back to beating.
Only seven died. Only two survivors were left with permanent neurological damage. Results were published in 2006 in the journal Resuscitation.
Dr. Constantine Athanasuleas (pronounced uh-than-uh-SOO’-lee-us), a surgeon at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, treated one man in the study who had been in cardiac arrest for about an hour and a half. The man’s wife, a nurse, did CPR until a helicopter brought him to the hospital.
“He was flatlined,” with a heart “as still as your dining room table,” Athanasuleas said.
Doctors put him on a heart-lung machine, whisked him to the catheterization lab to see if he had artery blockages, then did bypass surgery to detour around them.
“The guy went home and was neurologically perfect” at least two years later, the doctor said.
Buckberg treated a woman who had been in cardiac arrest for 2 1/2 hours.
He would not send her to the operating room until her CPR and blood pressure could be maintained so further treatment could be attempted, he said.
Sadly, the woman survived all this but died several weeks later from an infection.
Buckberg has taken his work further in experiments with pigs in cardiac arrest. He deliberately deprived their brains of blood flow for half an hour, then used his resuscitation techniques to bring them back, with normal or near-normal function. Results presented at a heart association conference last fall stunned many, including Dr. Myron Weisfeldt, a cardiologist and chairman of medicine at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.
“He’s doing extraordinary things. You almost don’t believe the results that he got,” Weisfeldt said of Buckberg. “Most of us carry around in our head that if somebody’s brain is deprived of blood flow for 10 to 15 minutes that we’re just not going to get them back to any useful function. His data suggest it’s possible.”
Doctors in Japan, Taiwan and elsewhere in Asia have tried approaches similar to Buckberg’s with excellent results, said Becker, who is about to try it in Philadelphia.
“It takes training. It takes rethinking” to get doctors to adopt something this new, and funding for bigger studies to prove it works, Buckberg said.
Source: AP
http://jnelj.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/j ... -the-dead/ (http://jnelj.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/just-in-ucla-medical-center-known-for-raising-the-dead/)
So why was Michael not saved??? This is what makes me think he actually did survive it.
Thank you for this article simalves. UCLA is specialised in revival techniques. Additionally, propofol has neuroprotective properties meaning it prevents brain damage (it is being used in suspended animation techniques, and even as the main substance in cryogenics because of this property). So having that as an extra, and no known clogged arteries, it is very peculiar they would not have been able to revive him.
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@Raven.. but dont forget Michael was exhausted and emaciated too. He had not body fat on him, he was so thin. He wasnt eating properly and they say he was ill with bronchitis and brain swellling too... it wasnt just the Propofol injection that caused his demise... it was a whole load of factors leading up to it.
So if MJ was sick and weak and thin,.. once his heart had stopped i think there was minimal chance of his recovery. His body was just too weak and he had had enough.
There was also the benzodine effect.. Michael had other drugs in his system other than the Propofol.
Maybe the people who were revived in the Lazarus method were otherwise a lot healthier than Michael was when they had their heart attacks.
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@Raven.. but dont forget Michael was exhausted and emaciated too. He had not body fat on him, he was so thin. He wasnt eating properly and they say he was ill with bronchitis and brain swellling too... it wasnt just the Propofol injection that caused his demise... it was a whole load of factors leading up to it.
So if MJ was sick and weak and thin,.. once his heart had stopped i think there was minimal chance of his recovery. His body was just too weak and he had had enough.
There was also the benzodine effect.. Michael had other drugs in his system other than the Propofol.
Maybe the people who were revived in the Lazarus method were otherwise a lot healthier than Michael was when they had their heart attacks.
True, but at the same time we have to keep in mind that the data from the bronchitis, brain swelling and benzodiazepine effect originate only from the autopsy report. That leaves several options:
1. The autopsy report is genuine and Michael died
2. The autopsy report was forged, possibly with the aid of Michael's medical records, so there really was bronchitis, brainswelling and benzodiazepine effect, but Michael was revived despite the odds.
3. The autopsy report was completely forged, so there was no bronchitis, brainswelling or benzodiazepine effect at all, so Michael was revived with greater odds.
I tend to lean towards option 1 or 2
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How can someone be dead for almost 3 hours and then have a pulse of 50 BPM? That is bullshit. Unless they were mechanically pumping the heart and then it is irrelevant information anyway.
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Right.. can I just say ..can ANYONE imaging Michael after this??
If this did happen and he survided.. you know.. heart attack scenario... could you imagine Michael after a heart attack?
It just wouldnt happen.
He would be so fragile.
This I think is a reason I believe he is alive. and for my mixed feeling the night he "died".
the second i heard he had had a heart attack i KNEW he would "die" or.. die.
The next morning I was sure he was alive. Either it was all fake.. or he survived but would not now come back. :?
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@Raven.. but dont forget Michael was exhausted and emaciated too. He had not body fat on him, he was so thin. He wasnt eating properly and they say he was ill with bronchitis and brain swellling too... it wasnt just the Propofol injection that caused his demise... it was a whole load of factors leading up to it.
So if MJ was sick and weak and thin,.. once his heart had stopped i think there was minimal chance of his recovery. His body was just too weak and he had had enough.
There was also the benzodine effect.. Michael had other drugs in his system other than the Propofol.
Maybe the people who were revived in the Lazarus method were otherwise a lot healthier than Michael was when they had their heart attacks.
True, but at the same time we have to keep in mind that the data from the bronchitis, brain swelling and benzodiazepine effect originate only from the autopsy report. That leaves several options:
1. The autopsy report is genuine and Michael died
2. The autopsy report was forged, possibly with the aid of Michael's medical records, so there really was bronchitis, brainswelling and benzodiazepine effect, but Michael was revived despite the odds.
3. The autopsy report was completely forged, so there was no bronchitis, brainswelling or benzodiazepine effect at all, so Michael was revived with greated odds.
I tend to lean towards option 1 or 2
True.....
...but he passed a 5 hour medical exam?
SOMEONE is lying...
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@Raven.. but dont forget Michael was exhausted and emaciated too. He had not body fat on him, he was so thin. He wasnt eating properly and they say he was ill with bronchitis and brain swellling too... it wasnt just the Propofol injection that caused his demise... it was a whole load of factors leading up to it.
So if MJ was sick and weak and thin,.. once his heart had stopped i think there was minimal chance of his recovery. His body was just too weak and he had had enough.
There was also the benzodine effect.. Michael had other drugs in his system other than the Propofol.
Maybe the people who were revived in the Lazarus method were otherwise a lot healthier than Michael was when they had their heart attacks.
True, but at the same time we have to keep in mind that the data from the bronchitis, brain swelling and benzodiazepine effect originate only from the autopsy report. That leaves several options:
1. The autopsy report is genuine and Michael died
2. The autopsy report was forged, possibly with the aid of Michael's medical records, so there really was bronchitis, brainswelling and benzodiazepine effect, but Michael was revived despite the odds.
3. The autopsy report was completely forged, so there was no bronchitis, brainswelling or benzodiazepine effect at all, so Michael was revived with greated odds.
I tend to lean towards option 1 or 2
True.....
...but he passed a 5 hour medical exam?
SOMEONE is lying...
If MJ had all that wrong with him, he wouldn't have attended any rehearsals at all.
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How can someone be dead for almost 3 hours and then have a pulse of 50 BPM? That is bullshit. Unless they were mechanically pumping the heart and then it is irrelevant information anyway.
Did any of you watch a special on CNN a few months ago with Dr Sanja Gupta. It was amazing and yes people were brought back FROM THE DEAD. They had literally been declared "dead" for hours. There was this one woman who was like 50-60 degrees (her temperature) and it took several days of warming her up and she came back to life with a heartbeat. Another was considered medically dead for quite some time too and what they did was cool the body down (putting them like a hibernation like state) and he too came back. There was several people on that episode that should have been dead and normally would have been burried however with advanced medical procedures that are being done now people can actually be brought back despite having not breathed for many hours. It was fascinating stuff. Dr. Gupta wrote a book on this as well. There is actually a VERY thin line between life and death. It is truly amazing and a little scary as well what they can do now. To think some people COULD have actually been saved many years ago. Check out his book:
http://www.amazon.ca/Cheating-Death-Doc ... 044650887X (http://www.amazon.ca/Cheating-Death-Doctors-Medical-Miracles/dp/044650887X)
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Ummm okay ....so this is not from news of the world...its from dailymail UK and 2 new things stood out to me in this....
1...MJ when intubated had GOOD breath sounds :shock:
2...Creams came in TOOTHPASTE sized tubes.....toothpaste on his bed? :)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... rrest.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1261131/Michael-Jackson-resuscitated-hour-suffering-cardiac-arrest.html)
Michael Jackson was resuscitated an hour after suffering from cardiac arrest
By Mail Foreign Service
Drugged: Detectives found 11 containers of the powerful anesthetic propofol, some of them empty, at the house where Jackson died
Michael Jackson was resuscitated for ten minutes an hour after he suffered cardiac arrest, the Jacksons' lawsuit has revealed.
An excerpt from the document, published in the News of the World, states: 'At 13:21 hours or 1:21pm, the nurses and physicians at UCLA detected a weak femoral pulse and cardiac activity for Michael Jackson. At 13:22 hours he showed cardiac activity. At 13.33 he showed a weak ventricular rhythm (contracting of the lower heart chambers).
It continues: 'Dr Cooper reported that when Michael Jackson was intubated with an endotrachial tube he had good breath sounds and "The initial cardiac rhythm appeared to be wide and slow in the 40s." At 13.52 or 1.52pm he had a pulse of 53 beats per minute, with a MAE complex (major arrhythmic event).'
The 50-year-old's father Joe Jackson believes his son's death could have been prevented by his personal doctor Conrad Murray.
He said to the News of the World: 'This evidence is damning. They should lock him up and throw away the key. It's disgusting what happened here.'
The lawsuit against Murray is a catalogue of alleged decisions made by Murray which Jackson claims led to his death.
These include failing to tell paramedics he had given the singer Propofol - the anaesthetic coroners ruled led to his death.
Search warrants have also revealed large quantities of general anaesthetic and dozens of tubes of skin-whitening creams were discovered in Jackson's home after the singer's death.
Investigators went to his rented mansion on June 29 following a lengthy interview with Murray, who told them he had placed a medical bag in a cupboard in a closet.
At the home, detectives found 11 containers of Propofol, some of them empty, as well as a range of sedatives and various medical items including a box of blood pressure cuffs, according to the warrants.
Jackson's death four days earlier was ruled a homicide caused by an overdose of propofol and other sedatives. Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter.
During their search, detectives found 19 tubes of hydroquinone and 18 tubes of Benoquin, both of which are commonly used in the treatment of a skin condition Jackson had called vitiligo.
The disease creates patches of de-pigmented skin, and creams can be used to lighten skin that has retained its color to give a more even appearance.
'Some people with vitiligo get to the point where there is so much of them that is pale, it makes more sense to remove the bits that are brown,' said Dr. David Sawcer, assistant professor of clinical dermatology at the University of Southern California.
Benoquin is derived from hydroquinone. Though the creams can be used at the same time, it is unusual to do so, Sawcer said.
Enlarge A massive stash of drugs and skin whitening creams were discovered in Michael Jackson's home
Jackson's body is loaded into a van to be taken to the Los Angeles County Coroner's office on June 25 last year
The medications typically come in travel-toothpaste-sized tubes and each treatment usually lasts a few months. Side effects include acute sensitivity to the sun.
'In the places they have no pigment, they are exactly like an albino,' Sawcer said.
The discovery of medical creams in Jackson's home dovetails with an odd remark Murray reportedly made soon after Jackson's death.
Dr Conrad Murray faces involuntary manslaughter charges over Jackson's death
Jackson's personal assistant, Michael Amir Williams, told detectives that in the hospital where the singer was pronounced dead, Murray told him he wanted to return to Jackson's house 'so that he could pick up some cream that Mr. Jackson has so that the world wouldn't find out about it.'
Alberto Alvarez, Jackson's logistics director, who was summoned to the stricken star's side as he was dying, told police Murray interrupted CPR on the pop star to collect drug vials.
He gave the vials and an IV line with a milky substance resembling propofol to Alvarez, according to the statement Alvarez gave police, and told him to put them in bags that were similar in description to those later found in the closet.
The skin cream was not listed as a factor in Jackson's death nor was it detected in a toxicology report.
What killed Jackson, according to the autopsy report, was an overdose of propofol, an anesthetic normally used for surgery.
Murray told police he gave it to Jackson to help him sleep, a use anesthesiology experts have said is grossly improper.
Dr. Zeev Kain, anesthesiology department chair at the University of California, Irvine Medical Centre, said he was surprised by the amount of propofol detectives found.
Among the 11 containers police said they found were three 100ml vials, which Kain said could be used as general anesthesia for several hours.
'A doctor should not use propofol at home to start with,' Kain said.
The warrants also show Murray shipped propofol and other medications to his girlfriend Nicole Alvarez's house in Santa Monica. It's unusual to send propofol to a private residence but not illegal.
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Guys, it doesn't matter what the whole article says. What matters is the subliminal message that is being planted in non-believer's heads:
"brought back from the dead"
But, of course, I might be wrong... :)
So, VerylittleSusie, is it your opinion that these stories coming out about Mj might have been brought backto life, is sort of a gearing up for a BAM? :D
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The ambulace arrived at 12,26 in Hollomby Hills.
Paramedics claims he was dead around 11 am.
Michael was at the UCLA at 13,21.
If Michael showed cardiac activity at 13:22 and at 13:52 he had a pulse of 53 beats per minute and at 14:05 his diastolic blood pressure (the pressure between heartbeats) went from 20 to approximately 40 at times and sometimes to 60, that`s mean he was alive 3 hours after 11 am..???? It is possible to live 3 hour after an cardiac arrest? C`mon people..something`s wrong here. Smell like HOAX !!!!
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Guys, it doesn't matter what the whole article says. What matters is the subliminal message that is being planted in non-believer's heads:
"brought back from the dead"
But, of course, I might be wrong... :)
No, your right. that is the keyword :mrgreen:
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WE HAVE TONS OF AMAZING STUFF A HEAD OF US COMING.......... :lol: IAM ALREADY PREPARED...
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I personally dont even believe that MJ had bronchitis or brain swelling.
Question....if he did have brain swelling what would have caused it ? the propofol? :?
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The lawsuit also states Murray:
FAILED to tell paramedics he had given the singer Propofol, the anaesthetic coroners ruled killed the King Of Pop.
OBSTRUCTED justice by giving FIVE different versions of events about the star's death.
ORDERED bodyguards to clear up and hide the Propofol bottles before paramedics were called to the scene in Los Angeles' Hollywood Hills.
LIED to Richelle Cooper, the hospital doctor who took over the stricken star's treatment, telling her Jacko had not been ill when he had pneumonia, bronchitis and brain swelling.
Prop of FOOL. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Just search and find out.
There is no dr. Cooper working in UCLA
http://www.uclahealth.org/workfiles/smu ... ectory.pdf (http://www.uclahealth.org/workfiles/smucla-medstaff/SMHMedicalStaffDirectory.pdf)
M. and Souza go for it Girls!
Chappie xxxx
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The lawsuit also states Murray:
FAILED to tell paramedics he had given the singer Propofol, the anaesthetic coroners ruled killed the King Of Pop.
OBSTRUCTED justice by giving FIVE different versions of events about the star's death.
ORDERED bodyguards to clear up and hide the Propofol bottles before paramedics were called to the scene in Los Angeles' Hollywood Hills.
LIED to Richelle Cooper, the hospital doctor who took over the stricken star's treatment, telling her Jacko had not been ill when he had pneumonia, bronchitis and brain swelling.
Prop of FOOL. :lol: :lol: :lol:
ooooo 8-)
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What Michael had to say about the tabloids:
Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
The hounding media in hysteria
Who's the next for you to resurrect
JFK exposed the CIA
Truth be told the grassy knoll
The blackmail story in all your glory
It's Slander
You say it's not a sword
But with your pen you torture men
You'd crucify the Lord
And you don't have to read it
And you don't have to eat it
To buy it is to feed it
So why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
They say he's homosexual
In the hood
Frame him if you could
Shoot to kill
To blame him if you will
If he dies sympathize
Such false witnesses
Damn self righteousness
In the black
Stab me in the back
In the face
To lie and shame the race
Heroine and Marilyn
The headline stories of
All your glory
It's slander
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
If you don't go and buy it
Then they won't glorify it
To read it sanctifies it
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
She's blonde and she's bisexual
Scandal
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it
Then they won't glorify it
To read it sanctifies it
Why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Slander
You say it's not a sin
But with your pen you torture men
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
You're so damn disrespectable
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What Michael had to say about the tabloids:
Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
The hounding media in hysteria
Who's the next for you to resurrect
JFK exposed the CIA
Truth be told the grassy knoll
The blackmail story in all your glory
It's Slander
You say it's not a sword
But with your pen you torture men
You'd crucify the Lord
And you don't have to read it
And you don't have to eat it
To buy it is to feed it
So why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
They say he's homosexual
In the hood
Frame him if you could
Shoot to kill
To blame him if you will
If he dies sympathize
Such false witnesses
Damn self righteousness
In the black
Stab me in the back
In the face
To lie and shame the race
Heroine and Marilyn
The headline stories of
All your glory
It's slander
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
If you don't go and buy it
Then they won't glorify it
To read it sanctifies it
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
She's blonde and she's bisexual
Scandal
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it
Then they won't glorify it
To read it sanctifies it
Why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Slander
You say it's not a sin
But with your pen you torture men
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
You're so damn disrespectable
+1
Please, c'mon ! Don't post any links from tabloid magazines anymore on this forum... You don't understand Michael's message ?
Stop beeing sheeps,
There are ways to get there
If you care enough for the living
Make a little space
Make a better place...
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What? These are lyrics from Michael's Tabloid Junkie.
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So if Michael's blood is circulating for 62 minutes at UCLA, Propofol should ONLY have been present in the fatty tissue upon autopsy and IT IS NOT AT ALL POSSIBLE FOR PROPOFOL TO HAVE BEEN PRESENT IN THE BLOODSTREAM. Recall the autopsy reports of Propofol present within the blood vessels of the eyes. This is simply factually impossible with the properties of this drug. This is a scientific FACT... one of those very rare things that we encounter in the course of this hoax.
...On a side note, CPR will also circulate blood by manually pumping the heart. Blood circulation drives metabolic elimination and CPR alone will account for elimination rates of any drug. Even without this new report of Michael returning from the dead, lifesaving efforts performed at the scene and en route to UCLA should have eliminated all traces of Propofol AT LEAST from the bloodstream, if not surrounding tissue (considering multiple reports that CPR was maintained for over an hour), so this information is not really new... it simply has become particularly damning by making it really really clear... the autopsy simply CANNOT be genuine.
I wrote significantly more including links and screen shots from medical sites in a blog post here:
http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/ (http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/)
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Even though I didn't read the article, this is what I found...Google search " Dr Cooper UCLA and you do get information about her, and it confirms she works at UCLA Emergency. But what I find interesting, is that even after a google search, there's absolutely nothing relating her name to any of the news articles of recent. That seems odd to me. Most of the time, searching with google will give you everything there is about that persons name. Just another odd discovery......with L.O.V.E xox
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The ambulace arrived at 12,26 in Hollomby Hills.
Paramedics claims he was dead around 11 am.
Michael was at the UCLA at 13,21.
If Michael showed cardiac activity at 13:22 and at 13:52 he had a pulse of 53 beats per minute and at 14:05 his diastolic blood pressure (the pressure between heartbeats) went from 20 to approximately 40 at times and sometimes to 60, that`s mean he was alive 3 hours after 11 am..???? It is possible to live 3 hour after an cardiac arrest? C`mon people..something`s wrong here. Smell like HOAX !!!!
I am really like: WTF! :shock:
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This all makes my head hurt
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The only way to keep a sane spirit in this maze of lies is to laugh.
Doc Murray is a figurine of press twists just like MJ and this time the puppet master must be keeping a good hold pulling on the strings - but geeh this is getting wild now.
There are only two alternatives:
1) There seems to be a storybook of some events we would not think of in our wildest dreams to exhibit whoever needed to be exhibited to the world. Then the story will not take care of whoever will be suffering from it and then I recommend some aspirine, camomille tea and some rusk because most likely somebody is busy out there completely freaking.
I begin to feel honest pity for those folks who do not follow the case closely because they are completely lost in space... Those only reading tabloids and hopping from sensation to sensation - how will they ever know how much they are being lied to. One day they will swallow it was was 11 a.m. the next they will swallow 12:21 p.m., one day they will swallow Doc Murray did kill MJ, the next day they will swallow it was MJ himself or the nurse or the aide or security staff or whoever. (I recommend it was the lizard - to give the story a new spin and potential for new twists :lol: )
These folks are representing 95% of persons living in industrialized countries having closed the case of MJ for just one more weird celeb in Hollywood gone nuts.
They will completely be lost, they are already lost.
2) If somebody is inventing all this for us minority to read to keep us busy and in order to cover something up, I am taking my non-existing hat bowing for such a vivid imagination.
This phantasy kindergarden however will not result in me giving up.
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The regained heartbeat as reported by the News of the World article of the first post has now been confirmed by CNN...plus more including Joe's lawsuit for wrongful death against Murray:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/29/mic ... n.lawsuit/ (http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/29/michael.jackson.lawsuit/)
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@Raven.. but dont forget Michael was exhausted and emaciated too. He had not body fat on him, he was so thin. He wasnt eating properly and they say he was ill with bronchitis and brain swellling too... it wasnt just the Propofol injection that caused his demise... it was a whole load of factors leading up to it.
So if MJ was sick and weak and thin,.. once his heart had stopped i think there was minimal chance of his recovery. His body was just too weak and he had had enough.
There was also the benzodine effect.. Michael had other drugs in his system other than the Propofol.
Maybe the people who were revived in the Lazarus method were otherwise a lot healthier than Michael was when they had their heart attacks.
Michael was the same size he always was. Earlier in the decade - like when Michael played the Garden with his brothers he was overweight in my opinion. I know someone 6" and he ranges 140*160. Even at 140 he's not a tooth pick. It's right for his build and he's plenty meaty. He's all muscle.
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What Michael had to say about the tabloids:
Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
The hounding media in hysteria
Who's the next for you to resurrect
JFK exposed the CIA
Truth be told the grassy knoll
The blackmail story in all your glory
It's Slander
You say it's not a sword
But with your pen you torture men
You'd crucify the Lord
And you don't have to read it
And you don't have to eat it
To buy it is to feed it
So why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
They say he's homosexual
In the hood
Frame him if you could
Shoot to kill
To blame him if you will
If he dies sympathize
Such false witnesses
Damn self righteousness
In the black
Stab me in the back
In the face
To lie and shame the race
Heroine and Marilyn
The headline stories of
All your glory
It's slander
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
If you don't go and buy it
Then they won't glorify it
To read it sanctifies it
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
She's blonde and she's bisexual
Scandal
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it
Then they won't glorify it
To read it sanctifies it
Why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Slander
You say it's not a sin
But with your pen you torture men
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
You're so damn disrespectable
+1
Please, c'mon ! Don't post any links from tabloid magazines anymore on this forum... You don't understand Michael's message ?
Stop beeing sheeps,
There are ways to get there
If you care enough for the living
Make a little space
Make a better place...
I think you have to put the peices from the tabloids here so it can be read thought about and picked over we might get a tiny scrap of information from them that is important and the other 98% ignore
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I'm watching the repeat of Larry King right now.
And at the bottom in the ticker
CNN is reporting about the brief heartbeat.
I'm a CNN and hadn't watched all day, till now.
So IDK if they reported it earlier or if
it's another Larry King connection or what.
I'm checking his blog now to see if that's where it's posted or not.
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Attorney: Michael Jackson had heartbeat at hospital
By Alan Duke, CNN
March 24, 2010 7:49 a.m. EDT
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/29/mic ... index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/29/michael.jackson.lawsuit/index.html)
Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- Medical records showed that Michael Jackson's heart beat briefly at a hospital emergency room, but he was "long gone" by then, a lawyer for Jackson's father said.
Joe Jackson's lawyer mailed a notice over the weekend to Dr. Conrad Murray saying the elder Jackson would file a wrongful death lawsuit against him in 90 days, attorney Brian Oxman said.
"The bottom line is, had [paramedics] gotten there earlier and had they been called right away, chances are he could have been revived," Oxman said.
Jackson's father's lawsuit will accuse Murray, the pop star's personal physician, of causing his death by delaying the call for an ambulance, Oxman said.
Oxman said records showed that Jackson was "long gone, 20 to 40 minutes before the paramedics got there."
Jackson, 50, was pronounced dead at UCLA Medical Center two hours after he arrived there by ambulance from his Holmby Hills, California, home.
The Los Angeles coroner concluded that Jackson's death on June 25, 2009, was from "acute propofol intoxication." The autopsy revealed that Jackson's blood had a level of propofol, a powerful anesthesia, equal to that used in major surgery.
Murray has been charged with involuntary manslaughter by acting "without malice" but also "without due caution and circumspection." He was freed on $75,000 bail.
Video: Joe Jackson filing lawsuit
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California law requires medical wrongful death lawsuits to be filed within a year of the death, Oxman said. Since a doctor must be given 90 days notice, Saturday's mailing was timed to meet the deadline, he said.
A prosecution report leaked to the media last week included a statement from a witness who said Murray stopped resuscitation efforts on Jackson so he could collect propofol bottles.
Oxman's notice to Murray called that delay "an outrageous departure from the standard of care."
Oxman said the lawsuit will really put "this whole blasted thing together from top to bottom, from top to bottom. It identifies what happened by time, by date and by place."
"There was cardiac activity, electrical impulses, and he did have a cardiac rhythm which they got going through their resuscitation," Oxman said of Jackson. "But he could not sustain it on his own."
A spokeswoman for Murray's criminal defense lawyer said he has not received the notice from Oxman.
"It's like a bucket of water thrown on a man drowning in the ocean," said Miranda Sevcik, a spokeswoman for defense lawyer Ed Chernoff.
The California state medical board will ask a judge to prevent Murray from practicing medicine in California while he is being prosecuted in Jackson's death, according to documents filed last week by California Attorney General Jerry Brown.
Brown said in his filing that Murray, who was the pop star's personal physician, "administered a lethal dose of propofol, as well as other drugs, to Michael Jackson."
"We will argue in court that Murray was reckless in giving Jackson such a dangerous drug and has demonstrated a serious lack of judgment that should prohibit him from practicing medicine," Brown said.
Los Angeles County Judge Keith Schwartz refused a prosecution request to suspend Murray's California medical license as a term of his bail last month, but he did order him not to use any anesthesia on patients.
"I don't want you sedating people," Schwartz told Murray.
Chernoff said nothing has changed since then. Murray has no office or patients in California, he said. Murray resumed his medical practice in Texas and Nevada last fall.
The next hearing date for the criminal case is April 5.
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Now they are saying that MJ had a hearbeat at the house, in the ambulance and at the hospital. :roll:
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And he still has a heartbeat... and the beat goes on...
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And he still has a heartbeat... and the beat goes on...
Kinda reminds me of the heart-beat sound at the start of "Smooth Criminal"
Michael.. he is smooth, but no criminal! :lol:
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He "died" of cardiac arrest under the hands of a cardiologist who later was practizing his holistic approach as a family doctor and was taken to UCLA where they are "able to bring back dead to life" (suffering from cardiac arrest since 72 minutes and still alive) - so the patient had best circumstances to survive. However he "did" not. He took off to the airport (I guess to get some fresh air to breath again ;) ).
UCLA = gives me a smile, that was fashion when I was 18 to have a darkblue sweatshirt with a white UCLA logo on it (and nobody knew what this was about...LOL), seriously: UCLA has 11 nobel prize laureates, is the second oldest university in California, the second best public university and is #13 university worldwide.
UCLA Ronald Reagan Medical Center is located on the campus and is top 3 US hospital.
So not really the worst choice. ;)
cardiac arrest = heartfelt imprisonment / detention
cardiologist = doctor for heart functions / love / life
holistic = overall - concerning everything and the whole from each angle and aspect of view
family doctor = doctor for everyone
Remember the child support case with 4 (open) windows?
I am expecting some surprises for Monday.
Guess the color of the trash cans once again will be grey?
:lol:
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If there was already livor mortis as the rumours about the paramedics version suggest, there is also a large chance rigor mortis was setting in, which would make it hard to intubate. Michael was intubated. So that tabloid version is less likely. The story about the paramedics was never confirmed by a reliable source. This report of him having a pulse at UCLA is much more reliable since it originates directly from the medical records.
What is available from the paramedics is the account of the LAFD chief on video. Basically he was also saying they worked on him until they stabilised him then took the short ride to UCLA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJT0I1YcOQk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJT0I1YcOQk)
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:D Jolly good. Slowly but surely... first he was dead now the info is getting out that he "came back" if only briefly, the next news will be MJ is back for good.... :D on a logical note the coma theory springs to mind :?
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I'm watching the repeat of Larry King right now.
And at the bottom in the ticker
CNN is reporting about the brief heartbeat.
I'm a CNN and hadn't watched all day, till now.
So IDK if they reported it earlier or if
it's another Larry King connection or what.
I'm checking his blog now to see if that's where it's posted or not.
I saw that yesterday too. Note how they worded it...
Lawyer: Michael Jackson's heart beat briefly at hospital
Why of course...then he got the hell out of dodge!!! LOL
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:D Jolly good. Slowly but surely... first he was dead now the info is getting out that he "came back" if only briefly, the next news will be MJ is back for good.... :D on a logical note the coma theory springs to mind :?
The coma theory is seemingly very plausable now....
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Triggering a heartbeat is what occurs when one does CPR; that is what happens when you "push" on the sternum. You are artificially giving them a pulse (i.e.,circulating the blood). Sustaining it however, is the critical part and the most stressful task for a medical professional.
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Then why did the ambulance not RUSH to the hospital with SIRENS BLARING! If mj had even a hint of a pulse wouldn't that have happened. Unless....he was stable and there was no need to rush. I posted this before but here it is again....The LAFD chief saying that....it was important to stay in the field (mj's house) for as long as it took (42 minutes) to STABILIZE him. This is right from the mouth of the LAFD. Check out the link starting around 5:28.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJT0I1YcOQk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJT0I1YcOQk)
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Then why did the ambulance not RUSH to the hospital with SIRENS BLARING! If mj had even a hint of a pulse wouldn't that have happened. Unless....he was stable and there was no need to rush. I posted this before but here it is again....The LAFD chief saying that....it was important to stay in the field (mj's house) for as long as it took (42 minutes) to STABILIZE him. This is right from the mouth of the LAFD. Check out the link starting around 5:28.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJT0I1YcOQk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJT0I1YcOQk)
I've discussed this before in regards to the siren thing. There were a lot of bystanders around and no vehicles driving in the ambulances way. It is a courtesy to not deafen all of the bystanders. There was no need to have the siren blaring at that point in time. I know I wouldn't have done it, and I don't do it on my day to day calls. That's the equivalent to putting on the siren while in someone else's driveway. There's just no need. It doesn't help get him there any faster.
And about the stabilizing thing, I've also briefly discussed this here and there. It is important for paramedics and EMTs to do what they can on scene. If a pulse is not regained and maintained on scene, the chances of overall survival greatly lessen. You have a very small window from the time the patient codes to the time of defibrillation, and every minute the patient is not defibrillated, the chances of survival drop substantially. That's why we don't just grab the patients, toss them in the back of the ambulance and fly. It's also been brought up that the medics wanted to stop. It is in their protocol that after full attempts at resuscitation - CPR/defibrillation, medications, intubation - if the patient has had no rhythm changes, they are allowed to stop. There's also the joke that asystole is the most stable rhythm.
This is straight from the AHA website:
"Survival is directly linked to the amount of time between the onset of sudden cardiac arrest and defibrillation. If no bystander CPR is provided, a victim’s chances of survival are reduced by 7 to 10 percent with every minute of delay until defibrillation."
And there are many, many, many studies that correspond with this.
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What I was trying to point out was the fact that the Fire Chief guy said they stabilized him... :)
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sorry about that ! :D
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What I was trying to point out was the fact that the Fire Chief guy said they stabilized him... :)
:lol: Which I pointed out 6 posts before you
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Then why did the ambulance not RUSH to the hospital with SIRENS BLARING! If mj had even a hint of a pulse wouldn't that have happened. Unless....he was stable and there was no need to rush. I posted this before but here it is again....The LAFD chief saying that....it was important to stay in the field (mj's house) for as long as it took (42 minutes) to STABILIZE him. This is right from the mouth of the LAFD. Check out the link starting around 5:28.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJT0I1YcOQk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJT0I1YcOQk)
I'm sure they put the sirens on when they got to the Blvd. They do it like that here where I am too. Have seen it many times.
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What I was trying to point out was the fact that the Fire Chief guy said they stabilized him... :)
They did stabilize him. He remained asystolic. That's 100% stable.
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What I was trying to point out was the fact that the Fire Chief guy said they stabilized him... :)
:lol: Which I pointed out 6 posts before you
I didn't realize it was a race and I didn't see yours because I wrote it over a long period of time in between running my kids around to various activities. (i actually posted a thread about it weeks ago though) It's people like you who make a mockery of Michael's message of love. Too bad the world has more of you and less of him. It would be a much nicer place to live. I am here because I am concerned and sad and to know that I am here with people who are rude makes me want to never participate in this site again. I really hoped that everyone here would be nice and respectful and I have been happy to see that for the most part people treat each other fairly well. Keep it up for those who do!
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What I was trying to point out was the fact that the Fire Chief guy said they stabilized him... :)
:lol: Which I pointed out 6 posts before you
I didn't realize it was a race and I didn't see yours because I wrote it over a long period of time in between running my kids around to various activities. (i actually posted a thread about it weeks ago though) It's people like you who make a mockery of Michael's message of love. Too bad the world has more of you and less of him. It would be a much nicer place to live. I am here because I am concerned and sad and to know that I am here with people who are rude makes me want to never participate in this site again. I really hoped that everyone here would be nice and respectful and I have been happy to see that for the most part people treat each other fairly well. Keep it up for those who do!
What a vicious, vile, NASTY, hateful post that is!!!
"Didn't realise it was a race" - you started yourself with writing to someone else "what I was trying to point out"
"It's people like you" - Well sorry for existing your highness!
"Who make a mockery of Michael's message of love" - you make such a nasty remark just because of my remark that "I pointed out the same 6 posts before you"?
"Too bad the world has more of you and less of him" - How dare you??? Who the hell do you think you are?? That is a plain diabolical remark!!
You are the one that is rude! It says a lot about the person YOU are. YOU dare call yourself "nice and respectful" after such putrid posts??? You are accusing others of mocking Michael's message of love with hatred filled messages!
EDIT: 7 posts before you
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Could we stop this please? Thank you.
This does not help but destroy and plant negative thoughts and feelings.
We are here to respect each other and help each other and not to yell at each other.
It does not matter who posted what when but it does matter how we speak to each other.
Take a step back please and try it 5 inches lower then for the sake of all. Thanks for not hurting.
L.O.V.E.
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What I was trying to point out was the fact that the Fire Chief guy said they stabilized him... :)
They did stabilize him. He remained asystolic. That's 100% stable.
Very hard to take, but very true. It's all matter of interpretation.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not being negative, but please we should keep that on mind. I've seen very complex interpretations of things around this board, so let's do it regarding this article too, shall we?.
Just in order to keep our sanity and not being dissapointed if it turns out badly.
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sorry about that ! :D
Here, here!!!