Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: shaqspear on March 19, 2010, 03:15:52 PM
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It's time for you to work on some point and try to find some good answers for me, I will ask the question one by one, we have time.
First, we all know that MJ didn't like the fact to be judge as a crazy guy, a wacko, but how do you think the press, the people will judge him if he faked is own death to one day comes back ?
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very controversial
but not rocket science - what are you trying to prove
we all know the answer
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First, we all know that MJ didn't like the fact to be judge as a crazy guy, a wacko,
wow. would anyone like this nickname
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First of all shaqspear wellcome!
Your introduction putting us to work is a little stormy boss, at least it´s one by one.
That question has been discussed in many places of this forum.
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so whats the next question, and i have one for you are you a believer or just interested or what
your coming over very strong
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The thing is that if he came back, the media would be the wackos, having believed he had died in the first place, spreading the lie all over the place, as they do with any lie. You're not a wacko if you manage to have the whole world believe you died, you're a genius. :D
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The thing is that if he came back, the media would be the wackos, having believed he had died in the first place, spreading the lie all over the place, as they do with any lie. You're not a wacko if you manage to have the whole world believe you died, you're a genius. :D
beautiful answer
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I think if he can give the world a very very very good reason, they will forgive him.
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I think if he can give the world a very very very good reason, they will forgive him.
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i dont think anyone would feel badly if mike just came back right now
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Revealing the NEW WORLD ORDER in his speech? ;)
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Revealing the NEW WORLD ORDER in his speech? ;)
you know you cant say that :lol:
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I am sure,that Michael comes back he will be loved more than ever before.
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ok thanks a lot for the answers, to answer one of yours i am a believer...
now question number two, to deal with this escape he has to be focus, to be ready and many think he has prepared that for years, but why then do all the rehearsal for This is it, and use his energy just to go away like 2 weeks before the start of the concerts ?
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Many people believe that the reason is the key to how MJ would be received by the press. I asked myself a question so I'll turn to you with the same one. What would be considered as a good enough reason and by whose standards? In other words, what is the litmus test for the reason? No single reason will satisfy the masses. There will be those naysayers who will question MJs true motive as the reason is revealed. Good reason or mediocre reason... MJ would be hunted by the press.
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you sound like a doubter who wants to be a believer :D
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Question #2.
I am not convinced that TII showcased MJs top form. He held back either by choice or circumstances. By the same token, I am not convinced that the movie was all MJ. I saw doubles.
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I don't give a damn what the media will say and I think Michael doesn't give a damn what the media will say about him neither to be honest, Michael is a strong person one of the strongest persons I've ever seen. Look at what he has been through with all the lying media, I think he is not really concerned about the fact what they are going to say about him. Michael is doing this for one of the biggest and important reasons and some of us know why by now. And Michael is fighting ''them'' back, this is a punch they are not expecting! And ofcourse we always will have his back! I for one know that I'll have his back, and I think all of us will.
And welcome to the forum! :D
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True soooo true. The only thing (not saying MJ would not be able to pull this off because we all know he is a brilliant genius :) ) but legally. I would not want MJ in jail (none of us would) :(
I need to research California laws regarding fake deaths maximum sentences, u know what serves as grounds for being found guilty of something like this. I luv MJ with all my heart and would not want him to endure any time in prison(which I don't think he would)
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has mike every really stepped outside the law?
dont think so
not talking about breach of contact - normal part of his type of business i would have thought
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I don't think that MJ would do any jail time for this. Everyone in the world knew the kind of life that he had and how people treated him. They all knew that he needed to rest, to get away from it all. No matter the reason for MJ doing this, his true fans will be there for him. We have so much love for him, just on this forum to last him a lifetime. I would pack up and support Michael if he ever asked me to. I love him that much and its not just because he was an awesome entertainer, it is because of what he stood for and how he helped those he could.
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i suppose 12 good men would not send him down
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Question #2
You´re assuming in your question that he planned it for a long time, and you´re assuming that he spent a lot of time rehearsing. But we don´t know any of them for a fact. It all could be in a rush.
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Now we have all seen the many videos about the ambulance and the fact that it drives back slowly but if you look again you will notice a red cone on the right of it in one of the view so maybe their were works in the entrance of the house and the ambulance couldn't easily move in and out.
Then you also think it was strange not to turn on the lights and sirens, but maybe in the first miles the road was empty so no need to alert the other cars to move to the side.
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Question #2
You´re assuming in your question that he planned it for a long time, and you´re assuming that he spent a lot of time rehearsing. But we don´t know any of them for a fact. It all could be in a rush.
if this is like a conspiracy with doctors, family, friend involved it is not in a rush at all
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no it is a busy road, you can see that in the vids
why back out - there was a large roundabout on the drive
why wait for the children
why wait 43 min to decide to go to the hospital when its a 5 min drive
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no it is a busy road, you can see that in the vids
why back out - there was a large roundabout on the drive
why wait for the children
why wait 43 min to decide to go to the hospital when its a 5 min drive
about the roundabout maybe their was work on the pavement this is why they placed a cone
about the 43 min maybe it's only because murray gave him illegal drugs and wanted to same him before he goes to the hospital and goes under analysis
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the cone - if you have a dying man in the back - how would you drive - i would wreck the van to get them to hospital
cm - are you saying cm view was save my ass before save the man?
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I checked with someone who works as a fireman. He said that in an emergency situation, vehicles must show lights and sound alarms. It is obviously to keep others aware that an emegency situation is underway. It alerts others to keep away from the source of the noise and lights. That way no one will accidently come along and cut in front or block them.
The absence of lights and sound for transporting MJ during that emergency has baffled me for some time.
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there is also the date of the ambulance pic at the hospital someone posted it was 24/06/09?
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I checked with someone who works as a fireman. He said that in an emergency situation, vehicles must show lights and sound alarms. It is obviously to keep others aware that an emegency situation is underway. It alerts others to keep away from the source of the noise and lights. That way no one will accidently come along and cut in front or block them.
The absence of lights and sound for transporting MJ during that emergency has baffled me for some time.
ok your answer is very good but let's assume we built the hoax, why not turn the lights and alarm on then?
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there is also the date of the ambulance pic at the hospital someone posted it was 24/06/09?
where? maybe he was in a foreign country and when he posted it it was still late at night the 24
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well maybe they dont know the score
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the ambulance audio is fake - the firm station chief said so - not their guy
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the ambulance audio is fake - the firm station chief said so - not their guy
ok but the ambulance went to the hospital, so anyone can like make up a false ambulance and go inside a hospital and no one will notice that ?
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Alarms and lights draw attention. People know where MJs house is located. If someone caught a whiff that there was an emergency situation coming from the direction of that house, then news would have spread like wildfire. Someone wanted this to remain quiet and not alert others. Pesky paps and fans would have gotten in the way if they trailed the ambulance as the events unfolded.
I checked with someone who works as a fireman. He said that in an emergency situation, vehicles must show lights and sound alarms. It is obviously to keep others aware that an emegency situation is underway. It alerts others to keep away from the source of the noise and lights. That way no one will accidently come along and cut in front or block them.
The absence of lights and sound for transporting MJ during that emergency has baffled me for some time.
ok your answer is very good but let's assume we built the hoax, why not turn the lights and alarm on then?
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Alarms and lights draw attention. People know where MJs house is located. If someone caught a whiff that there was an emergency situation coming from the direction of that house, then news would have spread like wildfire. Someone wanted this to remain quiet and not alert others. Pesky paps and fans would have gotten in the way if they trailed the ambulance as the events unfolded.
I checked with someone who works as a fireman. He said that in an emergency situation, vehicles must show lights and sound alarms. It is obviously to keep others aware that an emegency situation is underway. It alerts others to keep away from the source of the noise and lights. That way no one will accidently come along and cut in front or block them.
The absence of lights and sound for transporting MJ during that emergency has baffled me for some time.
ok your answer is very good but let's assume we built the hoax, why not turn the lights and alarm on then?
The best way to find out if your statement is true, and it does make sense, would be to try to find out if when he was brought to the hospital in the past they went w/o lights and sirens. Is that celebrity protocol? Or MJ protocol?
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Question #2
You´re assuming in your question that he planned it for a long time, and you´re assuming that he spent a lot of time rehearsing. But we don´t know any of them for a fact. It all could be in a rush.
if this is like a conspiracy with doctors, family, friend involved it is not in a rush at all
Is this an exam and I answered the question wrong?
Sorry, you have to give arguments, to debunk mine.
A rush - nobody knows first - situation is studied - people are said and involved.
PERFECTLY POSSIBLE!
there is also the date of the ambulance pic at the hospital someone posted it was 24/06/09?
where? maybe he was in a foreign country and when he posted it it was still late at night the 24
I posted that picture.
The ORIGINAL date of the ORIGINAL photo is 24/06/09 exactly 20:00 LA time.
Sorry shaqspear, but I have the impression that we´re repeating here tons of stuff that are already along the whole forum from those months. I don´t really understand this game/thread. It´s seem like your personal revision of the theories. I don´t know how far have you red...
Just my impressions and opinions...
Could you please explain us what´s the final intention of this thread, how many questions are there... I mean, if this is a game, I think we already have enough games with the HOAX itself. Or just let it clear so everyone, aware, decides whether to participate or not.
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That is a very good point. It may indeed be celebrity protocol but accelerated into high gear for a particular celebrity of this status.
The one reason why I might say "no" is the timing. Let's pretend that MJ was really involved in a health emergency. Why risk stalled traffic and delays in getting him the medical treatment that he needed.
The best way to find out if your statement is true, and it does make sense, would be to try to find out if when he was brought to the hospital in the past they went w/o lights and sirens. Is that celebrity protocol? Or MJ protocol?[/quote]
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HMMMMM..... An ambulance does not turn on it's light's or siren's in a non emergency situation. :?
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HMMMMM..... An ambulance does not turn on it's light's or siren's in a non emergency situation. :?
indeed
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I am sure,that Michael comes back he will be loved more than ever before.
i will!! :D
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I CANNOT WAIT FOR MICHAEL TO COME BACK. EVERYTHING ELSE IS BULLSHIT, I DON'T CARE WHY AND HOW. HIS LIFE, HE KNOWS BETTER WHAT TO DO. IF HE HAS TO ESCAPE, THEN I RESPECT HIS DECISION AND LOVE HIM NO MATTER WHAT, HE DECIDES COME BACK, I AM GONNA LOVE HIM MUCH MUCH MORE AND SUPPORT, PHYSICALLY AND PSYCOLOGICALLY. THAT'S IT! :P
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Question #2
You´re assuming in your question that he planned it for a long time, and you´re assuming that he spent a lot of time rehearsing. But we don´t know any of them for a fact. It all could be in a rush.
if this is like a conspiracy with doctors, family, friend involved it is not in a rush at all
Is this an exam and I answered the question wrong?
Sorry, you have to give arguments, to debunk mine.
A rush - nobody knows first - situation is studied - people are said and involved.
PERFECTLY POSSIBLE!
there is also the date of the ambulance pic at the hospital someone posted it was 24/06/09?
where? maybe he was in a foreign country and when he posted it it was still late at night the 24
I posted that picture.
The ORIGINAL date of the ORIGINAL photo is 24/06/09 exactly 20:00 LA time.
Sorry shaqspear, but I have the impression that we´re repeating here tons of stuff that are already along the whole forum from those months. I don´t really understand this game/thread. It´s seem like your personal revision of the theories. I don´t know how far have you red...
Just my impressions and opinions...
Could you please explain us what´s the final intention of this thread, how many questions are there... I mean, if this is a game, I think we already have enough games with the HOAX itself. Or just let it clear so everyone, aware, decides whether to participate or not.
No this is not a game I just try to clear things for myself and maybe others who knows
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I CANNOT WAIT FOR MICHAEL TO COME BACK. EVERYTHING ELSE IS BULLSHIT, I DON'T CARE WHY AND HOW. HIS LIFE, HE KNOWS BETTER WHAT TO DO. IF HE HAS TO ESCAPE, THEN I RESPECT HIS DECISION AND LOVE HIM NO MATTER WHAT, HE DECIDES COME BACK, I AM GONNA LOVE HIM MUCH MUCH MORE AND SUPPORT, PHYSICALLY AND PSYCOLOGICALLY. THAT'S IT! :P
I am afraid he will decide to stay away from all the circus forever.
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I CANNOT WAIT FOR MICHAEL TO COME BACK. EVERYTHING ELSE IS BULLSHIT, I DON'T CARE WHY AND HOW. HIS LIFE, HE KNOWS BETTER WHAT TO DO. IF HE HAS TO ESCAPE, THEN I RESPECT HIS DECISION AND LOVE HIM NO MATTER WHAT, HE DECIDES COME BACK, I AM GONNA LOVE HIM MUCH MUCH MORE AND SUPPORT, PHYSICALLY AND PSYCOLOGICALLY. THAT'S IT! :P
I am afraid he will decide to stay away from all the circus forever.
Me too :(
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shaqspear, thank you for your answer.
But do you realize that many of the things here, are being discussed in its place deeper and details and aclarations were given, so here you may get to wrong conclusions?
Please, understand me, ít´s not that I don´t like this thread, it´s that I don´t think in a thread we´re going to summarize the hoax... Of course, it´s your thread... I just wanted to stress that.
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why dont you give us the list of questions?
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Well, shaqspear, there is an answer in your name already:
It´s all just a midsummer night`s dream (June 25th !):
"If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended.
That you have but slumberd here while these visions did appear."
Right now - still: "To be or not to be, that is the question."
Therefore: Patience and Faith - we`ll wake up after midsummer night again.
:)
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im worried is this a faker
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From what I understand is that you want to know what would media think of Michael if he hoaxed his death?
In that case, I don't even know. a) they could call MJ a genius who could pull of one of the greatest hoaxes or b) they would call him an evil liar
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im worried is this a faker
what do you mean ?
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From what I understand is that you want to know what would media think of Michael if he hoaxed his death?
In that case, I don't even know. a) they could call MJ a genius who could pull of one of the greatest hoaxes or b) they would call him an evil liar
I worry about the fact that if the pressure on him was so hard that he has to go away, imagine how the pressure will be when he comes back...
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It's time for you to work on some point and try to find some good answers for me, I will ask the question one by one, we have time.
First, we all know that MJ didn't like the fact to be judge as a crazy guy, a wacko, but how do you think the press, the people will judge him if he faked is own death to one day comes back ?
Hi funny person,
Two things, since you seem to like to "cut to the chase":
A) You know that most fans already KNOW: when MJ comes back to reality, those who thought of him as wacko or a 12 year old in a man's body, will be
:shock: slam DUNKED, sputtering SPEECHLESS :shock: .
Brains WILL tilt :?, while their tiny ones :roll: attempt to fathom HIS 8-) ...
Those who were jealous and rattled by his power and influence, will be foaming RABID, and I pray (with all my heart), too petrified with newfound RESPECT [absolute F-F-F-FEAR :razz: works, too!!!], to dare tangle with him again :!:
B) People keep asking this question--only different names. Cannot be someone fishing for MJ, HE doesn't care what non-fans think, and he ALREADY has this thing planned to the four walls---beginning, middle and end. HE will not be discouraged, no matter what is said here. He hasn't broken the law; he's not in danger of being charged with a crime---well, except for...
being a Thief of hearts, and a LOVE Bandit in the first degree :D .
He WILL do some :wink: time in MY jail, if he is captured by me :D...But,ANYWAY,
this Forum has an excellent SEARCH feature, which will enable you to get whatever answers are HERE to your questions. You will have more of an "Adventure" reading by Topic in the original posts, than skipping the research and soliciting others to place a bunch of disjointed subjects here, at your command. Nice try. What is the rush to skip concentrated research, as everyone ELSE has had to? A deadline?
BTW,
YOU :shock: said, 'We have time' .
Never mind what WE know-----WHAT do YOU know :?: :?: :?: :!:
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I checked with someone who works as a fireman. He said that in an emergency situation, vehicles must show lights and sound alarms. It is obviously to keep others aware that an emegency situation is underway. It alerts others to keep away from the source of the noise and lights. That way no one will accidently come along and cut in front or block them.
The absence of lights and sound for transporting MJ during that emergency has baffled me for some time.
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I think this is in the wrong place, and may have been answered already, but, to respond to your puzzlement: ER vehicles must use lights and sirens when in an ER situation, by law. Always. If they are transporting a person who has expired, there is no emergency. The only hurry to get that one to a hospital, would be if the vehicle is required on a subsequent ER call.
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the cone - if you have a dying man in the back - how would you drive - i would wreck the van to get them to hospital
cm - are you saying cm view was save my ass before save the man?
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@ "cm - are you saying cm view was save my ass before save the man?"
uh....YEAH. :shock: Definitely. Medical doctors today have, SERIOUSLY, WAY too much authority over people. The prerogative is THEIRS, whether to save you or not, and they know exactly---by protocol, what to do, to cover their singular or collective @$$.
Not certain where MJ is going with the Murray angle of this Hoax...most people STILL (!!!) trust doctors, and don't believe me when I scream WOLF about them... But, I have firsthand, :cry: seen a couple of doctors stall for time, in order to avoid being busted by another hospitals' routine body chemistry analysis (of an ER patient). They know all about drug clearance times in a body. They know the law and how to circumvent it.
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Well, shaqspear, there is an answer in your name already:
It´s all just a midsummer night`s dream (June 25th !):
"If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended.
That you have but slumberd here while these visions did appear."
Right now - still: "To be or not to be, that is the question."
Therefore: Patience and Faith - we`ll wake up after midsummer night again.
:)
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Pure Genius! I Love the way you put it! Thank you for waxing theatrical, & mixing it up most excellently :D. The question is, though, "To BE: MJ/ Musical Innovator :D, or MJ/ Film Maker Phenom :wink: ?"
This one IS going to be a BLOCKBUSTER! :D "See you in JULY!!" :!:
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im worried is this a faker
what do you mean ?
shaqspear, arabian may mean that:
You made a STRONG not introduction of yourself.
It's time for you to work on some point and try to find some good answers for me, I will ask the question one by one, we have time.
First, we all know that MJ didn't like the fact to be judge as a crazy guy, a wacko, but how do you think the press, the people will judge him if he faked is own death to one day comes back ?
You´re almost only participing in this, your own thread.
For that, we don´t know if you are reading the rest, so listening to us all when we have discused your questions before. This seems a let´s all summarize here for you.
We´ve been trolled and even hurt a lot last months (some people have had really bad experiences).
Your questions thing is misterious and can be seen like more of it.
I´m daring to advice you:
If you are just like any of us trying to know the truth without any other intention, please, explain a little on this and where you wanna get to. Understand that we are a little sick about hidden meanings of some people by now.
I hope this will help on avoiding this thread ends in an argument.
L.O.V.E.
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If he comes back.. He would be hit with lawsuits from left and right
City of L.A for spending millions on his memorial
Families of people who killed themselves over his death or are in depression
and on top of that faking your death is ILLEGAL.. Jail time guaranteed
Plus all the contracts made
If he comes back.. It is the end of him unless he was in a witness protection program
But to fake your death to save the planet or denounce the NWO... Nobody cares, especially not the big bucks from Hollywood
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If he comes back.. He would be hit with lawsuits from left and right
City of L.A for spending millions on his memorial
Families of people who killed themselves over his death or are in depression
and on top of that faking your death is ILLEGAL.. Jail time guaranteed
Plus all the contracts made
If he comes back.. It is the end of him unless he was in a witness protection program
But to fake your death to save the planet or denounce the NWO... Nobody cares, especially not the big bucks from Hollywood
Well, good points, you are right.
Legal issues has bothered me from the very beginning.
You can say Michael is/ was a Star, the King of Pop, a Genious, an Illusions maker or whatever you want to call him, but like it or not, he is also an US Citizen with Rights and Obligations, that lives under a Legal Sistem, so he would be judged and sentenced like everyone else, unless as you said, he is in a WPP.
Sadly, I have to agree. Nobody cares the Planet and such. If he did fake his death because of it, Haters, non fans, maybe some fans, media, will eat him alive, mostly of the people are not understanding, kind or compassionate. I can't even imagine what he would has to endure, if so.
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who cares bout papers im gona have to try real hard to ignore them cos ill see them in shops and everywhere ill get angry if i read them but had a thought he could say they said i was dead question is will you believe next thing they print about me had this extreme thing taught u a lesson bout how far theyll go will you believe? :twisted:
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im worried is this a faker
what do you mean ?
shaqspear, arabian may mean that:
You made a STRONG not introduction of yourself.
It's time for you to work on some point and try to find some good answers for me, I will ask the question one by one, we have time.
First, we all know that MJ didn't like the fact to be judge as a crazy guy, a wacko, but how do you think the press, the people will judge him if he faked is own death to one day comes back ?
You´re almost only participing in this, your own thread.
For that, we don´t know if you are reading the rest, so listening to us all when we have discused your questions before. This seems a let´s all summarize here for you.
We´ve been trolled and even hurt a lot last months (some people have had really bad experiences).
Your questions thing is misterious and can be seen like more of it.
I´m daring to advice you:
If you are just like any of us trying to know the truth without any other intention, please, explain a little on this and where you wanna get to. Understand that we are a little sick about hidden meanings of some people by now.
I hope this will help on avoiding this thread ends in an argument.
L.O.V.E.
I use to read the forum, but i wasn't in a mood of participating until few days ago, i am not here to hurt you, trust me i am only here to know the truth; I don't try to hide things, and this thread will never ends in an argument.
Because if this thread ends in an argument BELIEVE me you have learn nothing about the man.
You have to Listen, you need to be Open, we will Vizualize and the world will Evolve
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If he comes back.. He would be hit with lawsuits from left and right
City of L.A for spending millions on his memorial
Families of people who killed themselves over his death or are in depression
and on top of that faking your death is ILLEGAL.. Jail time guaranteed
Plus all the contracts made
If he comes back.. It is the end of him unless he was in a witness protection program
But to fake your death to save the planet or denounce the NWO... Nobody cares, especially not the big bucks from Hollywood
Well, good points, you are right.
Legal issues has bothered me from the very beginning.
You can say Michael is/ was a Star, the King of Pop, a Genious, an Illusions maker or whatever you want to call him, but like it or not, he is also an US Citizen with Rights and Obligations, that lives under a Legal Sistem, so he would be judged and sentenced like everyone else, unless as you said, he is in a WPP.
Sadly, I have to agree. Nobody cares the Planet and such. If he did fake his death because of it, Haters, non fans, maybe some fans, media, will eat him alive, mostly of the people are not understanding, kind or compassionate. I can't even imagine what he would has to endure, if so.
I think but I maybe wrong that all the ceremony as been paid by mj relatives, and no insurance have been paid to the family yet so I am not sure they would be a trial for that.
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I was thinking of something and I wan't to tell you about that,
we imagine a fan of michael was sick, i mean very sick with lots of hurting, and he met michael one day telling him that he would do anything for mj. So mike and him became friend, they talked about doing this hoax maybe around the period of the trial in 2003, the boy went under surgery to look like mj, he even changed his name to michael joseph jackson, and justice won so mj was free after the trial, they kept their friendship. Until the day the boy died and MJ decided to do the biggest hoax of all time....
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I use to read the forum, but i wasn't in a mood of participating until few days ago, i am not here to hurt you, trust me i am only here to know the truth; I don't try to hide things, and this thread will never ends in an argument.
Because if this thread ends in an argument BELIEVE me you have learn nothing about the man.
You have to Listen, you need to be Open, we will Vizualize and the world will Evolve
Thank you for your answer shaqspear, now, we know a little bit more of you, although you keep being a "little" cryptic (nothing about your goal with this thread). But believe me, threads here can end in an argument... to much passion. And also people messing around.
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It's time for you to work on some point and try to find some good answers for me, I will ask the question one by one, we have time.
First, we all know that MJ didn't like the fact to be judge as a crazy guy, a wacko, but how do you think the press, the people will judge him if he faked is own death to one day comes back ?
Hi funny person,
Two things, since you seem to like to "cut to the chase":
A) You know that most fans already KNOW: when MJ comes back to reality, those who thought of him as wacko or a 12 year old in a man's body, will be
:shock: slam DUNKED, sputtering SPEECHLESS :shock: .
Brains WILL tilt :?, while their tiny ones :roll: attempt to fathom HIS 8-) ...
Those who were jealous and rattled by his power and influence, will be foaming RABID, and I pray (with all my heart), too petrified with newfound RESPECT [absolute F-F-F-FEAR :razz: works, too!!!], to dare tangle with him again :!:
B) People keep asking this question--only different names. Cannot be someone fishing for MJ, HE doesn't care what non-fans think, and he ALREADY has this thing planned to the four walls---beginning, middle and end. HE will not be discouraged, no matter what is said here. He hasn't broken the law; he's not in danger of being charged with a crime---well, except for...
being a Thief of hearts, and a LOVE Bandit in the first degree :D .
He WILL do some :wink: time in MY jail, if he is captured by me :D...But,ANYWAY,
this Forum has an excellent SEARCH feature, which will enable you to get whatever answers are HERE to your questions. You will have more of an "Adventure" reading by Topic in the original posts, than skipping the research and soliciting others to place a bunch of disjointed subjects here, at your command. Nice try. What is the rush to skip concentrated research, as everyone ELSE has had to? A deadline?
BTW,
YOU :shock: said, 'We have time' .
Never mind what WE know-----WHAT do YOU know :?: :?: :?: :!:
I couldn't agree with you more "its her"! I get so tired of people coming on here and asking these types of questions. If you wants answers, invest your time and sweat like we have! And for those who think MJ has broken laws? Then you clearly are not paying attention and are buying the tabloid crap which has at times spread to the major media! Anyone who thinks that legal officials were ever involved in this clearly has not been searching for the truth! It was all from UNNAMED sources from June 25th. Only Craig Harvey ever made a statement and he works in the motion picture and film industry. He was "hired" to play a role. That is NOT ILLEGAL!
This is the GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH designed by the most GENIUS ENTERTAINER of all time! If you want answers, go back to June 25th and work your way through it! :geek: :twisted: :twisted:
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I was thinking of something and I wan't to tell you about that,
we imagine a fan of michael was sick, i mean very sick with lots of hurting, and he met michael one day telling him that he would do anything for mj. So mike and him became friend, they talked about doing this hoax maybe around the period of the trial in 2003, the boy went under surgery to look like mj, he even changed his name to michael joseph jackson, and justice won so mj was free after the trial, they kept their friendship. Until the day the boy died and MJ decided to do the biggest hoax of all time....
a good theory. but if that's the case, i would like to mourn and honor the life of the boy who died- not the boy who pretended to be michael jackson. when michael comes back and if this is the explanation for the body, then i hope a memorial for the boy would take place. i mean, at the very least, he (the boy) played an instrumental and vital part of the hoax. recognition is deserved.
@its her: your post made me laugh really hard. "thief of hearts" and "love bandit?" haha love it.
@lovemj4everandever: i totally agree with you. i think these "legal documents" need to be looked at closer. if shaqspear's theory is true in the end, then technically michael hasn't broken a law, since a michael joseph jackson has died.
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So...
If Michael doesn't collect the insurance money
and has enough money in his name to get bailed out,
He should be fine?
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I was thinking of something and I wan't to tell you about that,
we imagine a fan of michael was sick, i mean very sick with lots of hurting, and he met michael one day telling him that he would do anything for mj. So mike and him became friend, they talked about doing this hoax maybe around the period of the trial in 2003, the boy went under surgery to look like mj, he even changed his name to michael joseph jackson, and justice won so mj was free after the trial, they kept their friendship. Until the day the boy died and MJ decided to do the biggest hoax of all time....
a good theory. but if that's the case, i would like to mourn and honor the life of the boy who died- not the boy who pretended to be michael jackson. when michael comes back and if this is the explanation for the body, then i hope a memorial for the boy would take place. i mean, at the very least, he (the boy) played an instrumental and vital part of the hoax. recognition is deserved.
@its her: your post made me laugh really hard. "thief of hearts" and "love bandit?" haha love it.
@lovemj4everandever: i totally agree with you. i think these "legal documents" need to be looked at closer. if shaqspear's theory is true in the end, then technically michael hasn't broken a law, since a michael joseph jackson has died.
Nah...
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If he comes back.. He would be hit with lawsuits from left and right
City of L.A for spending millions on his memorial
Families of people who killed themselves over his death or are in depression
and on top of that faking your death is ILLEGAL.. Jail time guaranteed
Plus all the contracts made
If he comes back.. It is the end of him unless he was in a witness protection program
But to fake your death to save the planet or denounce the NWO... Nobody cares, especially not the big bucks from Hollywood
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Just to straighten out a few things...NO one has killed themselves over MJ's "death". If someone tries to claim this after he comes back, that their loved one did this, it will go un prosecuted, because MJ didn't kill anyone; by the family's own words, they killed them SELVES. No one can be held accountable for the mental illness of another, even if one is in the same room with them and did nothing to stop them. It has been ruled on in the past, that not intervening at a crime scene is NOT punishable, even!
It's not a crime to fake one's death. He hasn't defrauded anyone. In fact, he's made many many entities very rich, these days, including the city of L.A., who would have had to pay overtime police coverage for ANY huge event bringing tourism to their town.
:D
MJ, as a dead man, has once again PULLED the faltering music industry out of the gutter and sent it soaring again. Not to mention the tabloid industry, including the internet.
We really don't know that ANY contracts were made. All of this could be Hoaxing. They can't even get anyone to officially file the death certificate with a doctor's(required) signature on it. :roll:
Michael Jackson wouldn't have started this if he hadn't had it ALL completely scripted out, you KNOW: "beginning, middle, ending", just EXACTLY like ALL his videos. 8-)
It's just that THIS one is going to be such a WHOPPER :shock: (literally----SORRY---pun intended!!!Ha Ha Ha) :razz: :D You KNOW he's not EVER placing himself in position to be captured by the long arm of the law EVER :!: EVER :!: NEVER :!: again :!: Don't worry about this. :)
Don't believe everything you hear.
Unless MJ went NUTS in exile...
The crap has begun to fly free, again, I hear. It is just MJ's people trying desperately to anchor his superman squeaky clean reclusive image to some common dopey, "Playa" crap here on earth...oh, MJ and mj? Hmmmm. WRONG. :!: :evil: PLEASE.
I did see pix of two different women <<sitting on his lap>> :shock:, on the THIS IS IT site, but he has the weirdest expression on his face---I haven't decided what to make of it. He LOOKS, well, kind of miffed. I've been looking at his face too long. Just haven't seen THIS expression in that context. Could just be publicity stunts from before the hoaxed death.
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one thing i want to point out
Everybody in the word believes Michael is dead, right?
There was a memorial, funeral etc...
Faking your death is ILLEGAL
Even if it is in Lalaland it is still illegal
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one thing i want to point out
Everybody in the word believes Michael is dead, right?
There was a memorial, funeral etc...
Faking your death is ILLEGAL
Even if it is in Lalaland it is still illegal
Uuuhhhhh NO! Millions of people and especially the "fans who are attuned to the message" KNOW that he is alive. If you think he is dead, then perhaps this is NOT THE PLACE for you! :evil: :evil:
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im worried is this a faker
what do you mean ?
i must admit i was concerned that due to the tone of your post that you were hoaxing us or messing with us, especially as the questions you want to discuss are on separate threads?
i dont know what you end goal is?
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one thing i want to point out
Everybody in the word believes Michael is dead, right?
There was a memorial, funeral etc...
:arrow: :arrow: Faking your death is ILLEGAL
Even if it is in Lalaland it is still illegal
Is NOT
Faking a death is not illegal, ESPECIALLY in LaLaland :!: :!: unless someone can prove it was done to defraud someone. MJ hasn't done anything but be working like a Mad Hatter on his version of "The Greatest Show On Earth", with perhaps, some pertinent reality twist 8-) . MJ is BAD, but his only really criminal act is in being TOO smokin' Cute and not enough of him to go around.... :cry: Now THAT is evil.
The "funeral" and "memorial" was part of the "act"!! How many families do you know, who shop for designer dresses and attire (just to cry all over)for a dead guy's REAL Homegoing?
It is NOT criminal to COMMIT innovative ART in an inter-active medium, :idea: and DOCUMENT it and market it, in a manner TO BE DETERMINED, 8-) ;) :twisted: heh heh heh .... It is not illegal. :P
Gong. :lol:
Hide and watch... He's NOT going to the Big house! He's going to the Hall of Fame for disrupting everyone's monotony in A Most Novel way!
:arrow: :arrow: Hey! Did they prosecute anyone when It was broadcast on the radio that we were being :shock: :o :? :x :oops: :oops: :oops: :roll: :lol: attacked by aliens in the 50s?????????? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :!: 8-)
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I CANNOT WAIT FOR MICHAEL TO COME BACK. EVERYTHING ELSE IS BULLSHIT, I DON'T CARE WHY AND HOW. HIS LIFE, HE KNOWS BETTER WHAT TO DO. IF HE HAS TO ESCAPE, THEN I RESPECT HIS DECISION AND LOVE HIM NO MATTER WHAT, HE DECIDES COME BACK, I AM GONNA LOVE HIM MUCH MUCH MORE AND SUPPORT, PHYSICALLY AND PSYCOLOGICALLY. THAT'S IT! :P
I am :arrow: afraid he will decide to stay away from all the circus forever.
:arrow: Me too :(
WHAT? :roll:
Shamone, you guys----people PAY to go to the circus----MJ has it right in his lap, where he can 8-) CONTROL it! That would be so rude to string us along all these months , after secretly letting us know he's still with us, and then drop the hoax ball. He's NOT doing that. Michael Jackson is not a PSYCHO. :cry:
He should have been after the way he's been treated all these years...
BUT HE'S NOT. :D 8-) :P :P :P
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I think if he can give the world a very very very good reason, they will forgive him.
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i dont think anyone would feel badly if mike just came back right now
I do agree. A convincing reason would convince the world :)
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I use to read the forum, but i wasn't in a mood of participating until few days ago, i am not here to hurt you, trust me i am only here to know the truth;
I don't try to hide things, and this thread will never ends in an argument.
( I GET THIS PART:) @ :arrow: Because if this thread ends in an argument BELIEVE me you have learn nothing about the man.
( I DO NOT GET THIS:) :arrow: You have to Listen, you need to be OPEN, we will Vizualize and the world will Evolve
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PARDON ME, WHAT DO YOU MEAN, HERE?? :?
LISTEN to what/whom? :?
BE OPEN TO WHAT? :? HOW?
I know he says this in a song, but this doesn't have anything to do with that, does it??? :o
I thought this is what we WERE doing here. :roll: YOU make it sound like we are wrong about something, or MISSED something important. Please.
Just SAY it.
Pretend I am 8 :|
AND, BTW, I'll ask this AGAIN, because you didn't answer:
YOU :o said, 'We have time' . HOW do YOU know? Never mind what WE know-----WHAT do YOU know :?: [/b]
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From what I understand is that you want to know what would media think of Michael if he hoaxed his death?
In that case, I don't even know. a) they could call MJ a genius who could pull of one of the greatest hoaxes or b) they would call him an evil liar
I worry about the fact that if the pressure on him was so hard that he has to go away, imagine how the pressure will be when he comes back...
Sweet innocent baby. Have I misjudged you? You already KNOW what they'll say. I guarantee, at least one paper's headlines ---and NOT necessarily a tabloid, will read:
WACKO JACKO BACKO!!!!! :o
In what they call "Second Coming" font. It is reserved for Jesus, but He's been getting a lot more dissin' these days, too, so I don't expect they'll bat an eyelash at loaning it to Michael Jackson.
I don't think any pressure drove him anywhere. He's VERY strong. Some really sad, frightful and horrible and humiliating and just embarrassing things have happened to him since he was a young man, and he has ALWAYS :D come out grinning and dancing his little doll's heart out.
Maybe he doesn't feel like dancing so much, lately---eventually things wear you down. I haven't really even seen a true genuine grin on his face since about 2004? HE is one of those people that CAN'T shut their lips over their teeth---they are always laughing at something and something else and something else...and suddenly he just wasn't. Well, no one laughs non stop---I just thought we were seeing more of his "down time". And then he never even cracked a smile any more. :(
If he was ever going to disappear, it would have been BEFORE the 2005 trial. I imagine he was sweating blood[/b][/i][/u]. And so was his dad, mother and siblings.
I had heard that he and his brothers had arranged for him to be able to commit suicide very cleanly and quickly, if he was convicted, before being remanded to custody---sort of that old "death before dishonor" thing. I thought it was a real possibility, then. The whole thing was just a modern lynching, and the forced shame on his total innocence made me sick. They were going to do it, and did not imagine that he wasn't going to let them, by beating them to it. I was so scared. It didn't SOUND like him.
One of my favorite things about him is his enthusiasm for LIFE. He was always so smiley. Paralyzing fear could warp anyone's thinking. But MJ, himself, said right before this, that his life would have driven a different man to suicide---but not him. He would NEVER do anything like that.
Yeah, well. He was still smiling then. My mom always said never say "never", because it challenges cosmic things so you have to eat those words, as you do :? the thing you said you'd NEVER do. It's sort of like Murphy's law.
Anyway, my point is, Michael Jackson has been to hell and back, many times. I don't think there is any pressure on earth that can move him any more, if the things in his past didn't. HE can DO this. :D
We will ALL help him, if he needs us to. ;) We don't CARE what any old press has to say.
Michael Jackson, :D Come and Get Your Love :!: :!:
There, I answered your question, Shaqspear. Now go answer mine!
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I keep watching this thread...
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I can only say that I strongly believe that is MJ is alive. I think that MJ is a genius to the max. MJ, baby, I love you most! ;)
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I could get him to "feel" like dancing LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8-) :|
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I use to read the forum, but i wasn't in a mood of participating until few days ago, i am not here to hurt you, trust me i am only here to know the truth;
I don't try to hide things, and this thread will never ends in an argument.
( I GET THIS PART:) @ :arrow: Because if this thread ends in an argument BELIEVE me you have learn nothing about the man.
( I DO NOT GET THIS:) :arrow: You have to Listen, you need to be OPEN, we will Vizualize and the world will Evolve
[/u][/b]
PARDON ME, WHAT DO YOU MEAN, HERE?? :?
LISTEN to what/whom? :?
BE OPEN TO WHAT? :? HOW?
I know he says this in a song, but this doesn't have anything to do with that, does it??? :o
I thought this is what we WERE doing here. :roll: YOU make it sound like we are wrong about something, or MISSED something important. Please.
Just SAY it.
Pretend I am 8 :|
AND, BTW, I'll ask this AGAIN, because you didn't answer:
YOU :o said, 'We have time' . HOW do YOU know? Never mind what WE know-----WHAT do YOU know :?: [/b]
You have to understand that we are all children of LOVE and if we are arguing here, pretending we know the truth, never anymore asking ourselves, thinking yes he is alive so let's wait for him to comes back, maybe we are wrong, maybe we don't do the right thing, for example when jesus faked his death, people started to listen to his messages more than ever before, and then he came back.
So we have time, time to change the world, time to talk to each others, time to help healing the world...
I meant listen to MJ for example or anyone giving positive messages.
And be open to what surrounding you, open your mind, heart, soul...
Take care.
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I use to read the forum, but i wasn't in a mood of participating until few days ago, i am not here to hurt you, trust me i am only here to know the truth;
I don't try to hide things, and this thread will never ends in an argument.
( I GET THIS PART:) @ :arrow: Because if this thread ends in an argument BELIEVE me you have learn nothing about the man.
( I DO NOT GET THIS:) :arrow: You have to Listen, you need to be OPEN, we will Vizualize and the world will Evolve
[/u][/b]
PARDON ME, WHAT DO YOU MEAN, HERE?? :?
LISTEN to what/whom? :?
BE OPEN TO WHAT? :? HOW?
I know he says this in a song, but this doesn't have anything to do with that, does it??? :o
I thought this is what we WERE doing here. :roll: YOU make it sound like we are wrong about something, or MISSED something important. Please.
Just SAY it.
Pretend I am 8 :|
AND, BTW, I'll ask this AGAIN, because you didn't answer:
YOU :o said, 'We have time' . HOW do YOU know? Never mind what WE know-----WHAT do YOU know :?: [/b]
You have to understand that we are all children of LOVE and if we are arguing here, pretending we know the truth, never anymore asking ourselves, thinking yes he is alive so let's wait for him to comes back, maybe we are wrong, maybe we don't do the right thing, for example when jesus faked his death, people started to listen to his messages more than ever before, and then he came back.
So we have time, time to change the world, time to talk to each others, time to help healing the world...
I meant listen to MJ for example or anyone giving positive messages.
And be open to what surrounding you, open your mind, heart, soul...
Take care.
Mmm I get what you're saying. However, I disagree with some points. First, I think more people listened to Jesus's message AFTER he came back. It's a problem with us humans, we like to see evidence rather than just believe it. I know, it's "all about faith," but we're not perfect and we're not without doubt. I think, if Michael has a message to send out, for everyone to really grasp it, it is ESSENTIAL he comes back. (Note: I know that there are people on this forum who are not religious, please don't think I am comparing Michael to Jesus, I am only comparing the situations. I don't mean to offend anyone.) Unfortunately, for the masses "seeing is believing." Also, I got the impression from TII that we actually don't have all the time in the world. Michael said "we've got 4 years" (Sidenote: I don't really understand this. It doesn't fit in the 2012 theory since 4 years from 2009 =2013...unless TII wasn't filmed in 2009...). Have you noticed all the crap going on in the world lately? I'm all for changing the world, making it a better place, "Healing it" if you will...but I don't think "we have time." I think what's going on right now is an emergency.
May I ask you a question? I know it's been posted before, but this topic seems to be a re-cap of everything. You are pretty inquisitive, yet, like Its her, I wonder what do you know about all this?
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Recap of everything? This... thing?
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what another thread about jesus faking his death -rubbish
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sorry but it is still ILLEGAl to fake your own death.. check with your state
Lalaland is another name for L.A!!!
Michael is NOT above the law..
I do not what you guys are trying to prove???
The only way he could escape criminal charges is if he is in under Protection of the gov
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so is this what all the questions were about
this person is not direct - suspicious
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I use to read the forum, but i wasn't in a mood of participating until few days ago, i am not here to hurt you, trust me i am only here to know the truth;
I don't try to hide things, and this thread will never ends in an argument.
( I GET THIS PART:) @ :arrow: Because if this thread ends in an argument BELIEVE me you have learn nothing about the man.
( I DO NOT GET THIS:) :arrow: You have to Listen, you need to be OPEN, we will Vizualize and the world will Evolve
[/u][/b]
PARDON ME, WHAT DO YOU MEAN, HERE?? :?
LISTEN to what/whom? :?
BE OPEN TO WHAT? :? HOW?
I know he says this in a song, but this doesn't have anything to do with that, does it??? :o
I thought this is what we WERE doing here. :roll: YOU make it sound like we are wrong about something, or MISSED something important. Please.
Just SAY it.
Pretend I am 8 :|
AND, BTW, I'll ask this AGAIN, because you didn't answer:
YOU :o said, 'We have time' . HOW do YOU know? Never mind what WE know-----WHAT do YOU know :?: [/b]
You have to understand that we are all children of LOVE and if we are arguing here, pretending we know the truth, never anymore asking ourselves, thinking yes he is alive so let's wait for him to comes back, maybe we are wrong, maybe we don't do the right thing, for example when jesus faked his death, people started to listen to his messages more than ever before, and then he came back.
So we have time, time to change the world, time to talk to each others, time to help healing the world...
I meant listen to MJ for example or anyone giving positive messages.
And be open to what surrounding you, open your mind, heart, soul...
Take care.
Mmm I get what you're saying. However, I disagree with some points. First, I think more people listened to Jesus's message AFTER he came back. It's a problem with us humans, we like to see evidence rather than just believe it. I know, it's "all about faith," but we're not perfect and we're not without doubt. I think, if Michael has a message to send out, for everyone to really grasp it, it is ESSENTIAL he comes back. (Note: I know that there are people on this forum who are not religious, please don't think I am comparing Michael to Jesus, I am only comparing the situations. I don't mean to offend anyone.) Unfortunately, for the masses "seeing is believing." Also, I got the impression from TII that we actually don't have all the time in the world. Michael said "we've got 4 years" (Sidenote: I don't really understand this. It doesn't fit in the 2012 theory since 4 years from 2009 =2013...unless TII wasn't filmed in 2009...). Have you noticed all the crap going on in the world lately? I'm all for changing the world, making it a better place, "Healing it" if you will...but I don't think "we have time." I think what's going on right now is an emergency.
May I ask you a question? I know it's been posted before, but this topic seems to be a re-cap of everything. You are pretty inquisitive, yet, like Its her, I wonder what do you know about all this?
In fact from 2009 to 2012 you have 4 years because you include 2009.
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I wanted to share with you something else that is in my mind, it is about the hatman, everyone have seen the photos, and videos of this man and i am sure if the hatman is a real man not michael jackson in disguise why doesn't he come to the media and say who he is ...
I mean if i saw myself in the media telling i could be michael jackson I will call a newspaper and say who i am to stop the rumours.
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Stopping the rumors... mmmmm... what a good idea! :lol:
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i dont understand whats going on?
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Arabian, your question may be answered... or not. :lol:
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Arabian, your question may be answered... or not. :lol:
:roll:
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I wanted to share with you something else that is in my mind, it is about the hatman, everyone have seen the photos, and videos of this man and i am sure if the hatman is a real man not michael jackson in disguise why doesn't he come to the media and say who he is ...
I mean if i saw myself in the media telling i could be michael jackson I will call a newspaper and say who i am to stop the rumours.
IN MY OPINION ONLY: i think hatman is barry gibb and i doubt he is on the hoax forum to know people are calling him hatman.
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I use to read the forum, but i wasn't in a mood of participating until few days ago, i am not here to hurt you, trust me i am only here to know the truth; I don't try to hide things, and this thread will never ends in an argument.
Because if this thread ends in an argument BELIEVE me you have learn nothing about the man.
You have to Listen, you need to be Open, we will Vizualize and the world will Evolve[/quote]
Now that is starting to sound like crazy talk there at the end Shaq :lol:
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I use to read the forum, but i wasn't in a mood of participating until few days ago, i am not here to hurt you, trust me i am only here to know the truth; I don't try to hide things, and this thread will never ends in an argument.
Because if this thread ends in an argument BELIEVE me you have learn nothing about the man.
You have to Listen, you need to be Open, we will Vizualize and the world will Evolve
Now that is starting to sound like crazy talk there at the end Shaq :lol:[/quote]
aren't we all crazy? michael is crazy because to be a genious you have to believe in things people would think are crazy until you achieve them...
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you are right
galileo galilei has also been told to be crazy
but he was right
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I use to read the forum, but i wasn't in a mood of participating until few days ago, i am not here to hurt you, trust me i am only here to know the truth; I don't try to hide things, and this thread will never ends in an argument.
Because if this thread ends in an argument BELIEVE me you have learn nothing about the man.
You have to Listen, you need to be Open, we will Vizualize and the world will Evolve
Now that is starting to sound like crazy talk there at the end Shaq :lol:
aren't we all crazy? michael is crazy because to be a genious you have to believe in things people would think are crazy until you achieve them...[/quote]
nope :mrgreen:
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I use to read the forum, but i wasn't in a mood of participating until few days ago, i am not here to hurt you, trust me i am only here to know the truth; I don't try to hide things, and this thread will never ends in an argument.
Because if this thread ends in an argument BELIEVE me you have learn nothing about the man.
You have to Listen, you need to be Open, we will Vizualize and the world will Evolve
Now that is starting to sound like crazy talk there at the end Shaq :lol:
aren't we all crazy? michael is crazy because to be a genious you have to believe in things people would think are crazy until you achieve them...[/quote]
ha ha crazy I confess :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: like both ya'll is shakespear :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I seeing double :lol: :lol: :lol: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: ;) :| :mrgreen:
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Haven`t you read my answer to your questions, "Shakespeare"-altered-spelling? :D
Do you really expect us to make a whole recap / summary of nine months research especially for you? Come on ...
What exactly do you consider as questionable?
To be honest, your introduction / appearance here is kind of ... well, unusual.
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Haven`t you read my answer to your questions, "Shakespeare"-altered-spelling? :D
Do you really expect us to make a whole recap / summary of nine months research especially for you? Come on ...
What exactly do you consider as questionable?
To be honest, your introduction / appearance here is kind of ... well, unusual.
First I expect nothing I don't force you to answer this topic or even to read it...
Second anything is questionable
Third I love to be unusual.
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I use to read the forum, but i wasn't in a mood of participating until few days ago, i am not here to hurt you, trust me i am only here to know the truth; I don't try to hide things, and this thread will never ends in an argument.
Because if this thread ends in an argument BELIEVE me you have learn nothing about the man.
You have to Listen, you need to be Open, we will Vizualize and the world will Evolve
Now that is starting to sound like crazy talk there at the end Shaq :lol:
aren't we all crazy? michael is crazy because to be a genious you have to believe in things people would think are crazy until you achieve them...
ha ha crazy I confess :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: like both ya'll is shakespear :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I seeing double :lol: :lol: :lol: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: ;) :| :mrgreen:[/quote]
heheehehe
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That´s not an answer shaqsspear.
Is this "putting people to work" a summary for you?
Is this (your own) the only thread you read/write in?
Please, answer clearly.
We´ve seen this kind of cryptic answers before.
That´s not unusual, but suspicious here now.
Do you love suspicious?
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Mmm I get what you're saying. However, I disagree with some points. First, I think more people listened to Jesus's message AFTER he came back. It's a problem with us humans, we like to see evidence rather than just believe it. I know, it's "all about faith," but we're not perfect and we're not without doubt. I think, if Michael has a message to send out, for everyone to really grasp it, it is ESSENTIAL he comes back. (Note: I know that there are people on this forum who are not religious, please don't think I am comparing Michael to Jesus, I am only comparing the situations. I don't mean to offend anyone.) Unfortunately, for the masses "seeing is believing." Also, I got the impression from TII that we actually don't have all the time in the world. Michael said "we've got 4 years" (Sidenote: I don't really understand this. It doesn't fit in the 2012 theory since 4 years from 2009 =2013...unless TII wasn't filmed in 2009...). Have you noticed all the crap going on in the world lately? I'm all for changing the world, making it a better place, "Healing it" if you will...but I don't think "we have time." I think what's going on right now is an emergency.
May I ask you a question? I know it's been posted before, but this topic seems to be a re-cap of everything. You are pretty inquisitive, yet, like Its her, I wonder :arrow: :arrow: what do you know about all this?[/color][/b]
mjfansince4,
I too think we are in an emergency situation, and I don't think we have 4 years. Either MJ meant something other than what we all got out of TII or he knows something we don't. Some of this evil and destruction was written (as in, "It Is Written" :roll: ;) ) and WILL come to pass at the end of the World system, so I didn't understand if he thought maybe this wasn't the actual end, yet, and we can still stop this nosedive we are in, or push the clock back a decade or so, if we change ways, here, or what??? MJ needs to get back here and explain, very plainly and slowly :? :lol: for me.
Notice that Shaq guy NEVER answers my last question? :roll: :roll: :roll: THAT's NOT NICE.and it's not mysterious or unusual. It is rather snake-ish. :shock: He's NOT MJ or anyone who knows him, because of how he talks. Beware, kids!!!
SNAKE alert!!! :shock:
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Notice that Shaq guy NEVER answers my last question? :roll: :roll: :roll: THAT's NOT NICE.and it's not mysterious or unusual. It is rather snake-ish. :shock: He's NOT MJ or anyone who knows him, because of how he talks. Beware, kids!!!
SNAKE alert!!! :shock:
Have you even considered it sweet heart?
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People keep saying fake death illegal. We know to fake your death is illegal. But what I am trying to research is what does California LAWS say about this. If convicted what is the maximum sentence? What are the fines? I know it depends on how much money has been taken in right?
Once I figure this out I will know what MJ would be facing... but honestly this man is a billionaire, I highly doubt that he could not pay the fines and bail.
Also another thing is what about all the money made from the movie sales? What about internet sales? ALL of that kind of stuff how is it handled? I am going to start researching this and post what I find because at least it will put some of our minds at ease? Because I have put a couple of threads on the web entitled Legalities and I hardly have anyone posting. Understanding the legalities of the situation is important I feel as none of us would want MJ to be in trouble right? We luv him so right we would not want him in any type of legal trouble (even though he is not above the law, I doubt that he would be in trouble) :)
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I use to read the forum, but i wasn't in a mood of participating until few days ago, i am not here to hurt you, trust me i am only here to know the truth;
I don't try to hide things, and this thread will never ends in an argument.
( I GET THIS PART:) @ :arrow: Because if this thread ends in an argument BELIEVE me you have learn nothing about the man.
( I DO NOT GET THIS:) :arrow: You have to Listen, you need to be OPEN, we will Vizualize and the world will Evolve
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PARDON ME, WHAT DO YOU MEAN, HERE?? :?
LISTEN to what/whom? :?
BE OPEN TO WHAT? :? HOW?
I know he says this in a song, but this doesn't have anything to do with that, does it??? :o
I thought this is what we WERE doing here. :roll: YOU make it sound like we are wrong about something, or MISSED something important. Please.
Just SAY it.
Pretend I am 8 :|
AND, BTW, I'll ask this AGAIN, because you didn't answer:
YOU :o said, 'We have time' . HOW do YOU know? Never mind what WE know-----WHAT do YOU know :?: [/b]
You have to understand that we are all children of LOVE and if we are arguing here, pretending we know the truth, never anymore asking ourselves, thinking yes he is alive so let's wait for him to comes back, maybe we are wrong, maybe we don't do the right thing, for example when jesus faked his death, people started to listen to his messages more than ever before, and then he came back.
So we have time, time to change the world, time to talk to each others, time to help healing the world...
I meant listen to MJ for example or anyone giving positive messages.
And be open to what surrounding you, open your mind, heart, soul...
Take care.
Thank you so much for the partial answer. You told me something I needed to know, MORE than what I had asked you. It is especially hard to locate where someone is coming from online, because people lie like rugs. Now that I have located you, come, let us reason together... :)
We are NOT all "children of light". There are people who like to hurt others, especially online, hiding behind anonymity.
Sometimes, all it takes to know who they are is by weighing the spirit of their post. :) Some really fiercely emotional folk are simply frightened little girls(regardless of chronological age) as, someone they are attached to seems to have died. :twisted: But others are calmly and quietly predatory, and attack the weak and the strong with clever postulations, such as someone used on Adam and Eve, when he tricked them into questioning the trustworthiness of the ONLY person in the universe who LOVED them, when he said, "HATH God said??" (did God really say/mean that?)
I mean YOU no harm, either. Without being a royal queen B, I must tell you that I have zero tolerance for predators. I read their files every day, and I am sick to death of the spirit which guides their actions. I promise to be nice, and even though I am addressing this publicly, I do not mean to be cramming my beliefs anywhere, ESPECIALLY into the hearts and minds of others here who are not interested, so if you are NOT Shaqspear, Please don't take this personally, unless you want to. ;)
Nor do I mean to highjack this topic, to become religious pingpong (although THAT can be WAY fun, I am too busy now, to type for hours, after work!)
Shaqspear, I am sorry I asked you what you meant. It is CLEARLY not an amplification :o of what MJ meant :o in his song, and I do intend to undo my part in the damage of linking him to anything you said.
Jesus Christ did not fake :shock: His death. Don't take fiction to the bank; it is counterfeit.
Jesus is NOT a magician.
He is God.
Yes, I believe that. Others may not believe it, or may have never given it serious thought.
This response is to YOU, Shaq, and I can't PM you about it. You publicly posted a dangerous flicker of flame, here, Sir.
Pardon me, while I stomp it out. ALL for LOVE:
People follow Jesus and take His messages to heart, because he is the Truth. The truth makes one FREE. He hasn't had billions of followers because of some publicity stunt (You talk about pretending to know the truth).
Jesus said He came here to die for the sins of the world, so we wouldn't be punished for man's part in the rebellion against God---only fallen angels will, now. Fallen Man has been restored to favor with God, if they want it.
Remember, when Christ was born, an angel SAID this message from God, as He invaded our planet:"Peace on Earth, Good Will to Man!"
We've seen this kind of, "I mean no animosity/harm to you" message in countless SF/alien films, but God said it FIRST! 8-)
It is actually GOOD that you said what you said, though. I'll just tell you. Write this down for your article or whatever. If MJ identifies himself remotely, with the NOTION that "Jesus faked His death", he will be pelted with more vegetables than the Three Stooges in one of their Shorts!!
This damnable lie has been around for 2,000 years. Put that old dog to rest, already! :roll:
If Jesus didn't really die, that means He lied to us when He SAID that was what He was doing, and what He did.
If He didn't die as we thought, our debt to God (for dissing Him and calling HIM a liar) has NOT been paid, and we still owe.
If He lied about that, what ELSE did He lie about? :?:
He SAID He was GOD.
This makes Him NOT our Savior, but a Blasphemer, AND, actually, a SADISTIC PSYCHO (along the lines of Hitler, BTW), for SAYING that He WAS the Messiah everyone was expecting, and out the window goes his reputation as "A good teacher", as everything a psycho says is suspect...
This means, that every DAY that Michael Jackson (and everyone else, too,) spent learning about Jesus and imitating Him was a waste of time and Life.
Don't you think someone who studied Him would know if He was a psycho/liar?
So, we NOW don't have a savior, and are at the mercy of the most powerful Being known, Someone everyone in history practically, has ticked off, MORE so, lately, than in the days before the flood! :roll: :? :o
Hmmm...let's see...Jesus told us to pray in His Name, to guaranteed, automatically get the full ear of God. He told us there was great authority in that name. If he's not God, he has no authority to give us anything like that.
He held out clouds without rain to us. He was nothing, but another worthless poser, who is now, after his own natural death, in that place where all liars go, the Lake of Fire...
So He CAN'T be the person you think YOUR Jesus is.
Shaqspear,the thing you are cozying up to in your meditation /prayer time/ or philosophical view as you do your life, is a fake jesus, an imposter of such deceptive evil, I am afraid for you!
It means to take your soul.
If you don't believe me, there is a test in the Scriptures to try spirits to determine if they are from God. Jn.4:1-3
The one who told you what you told us, can NOT pass this test, dude.
THAT spirit or spirits are loosed from their assignments here, in Jesus' name. Oh, and, hold your peace and don't tear anyone, including Shaq, on the way out.
As people have been telling you here, you need to go to the Index or the Blog and read & read, for the answers you seek.
We do have a couple of topics for people who can't believe, who can't hook up with all we've found which points to MJ being alive, I am content to let THOSE folks keep asking themsleves and us if he is gone, while the rest of us wait for Michael Jackson, himself, to come out from behind the curtain. :lol: :lol: 8-) :D For us, there is too much evidence on our side, to vacillate and waste time crying every other day, but to each, his own. :)
Strangers, who don't even read here first, to FIND the topics to commiserate on with others who are convinced he's gone, but insist on trying to pop OUR balloons, or get us to second-guess the clues MJ drew attention to for us, when they can see we are happy, WILL be examined by us.
I wouldn't take it as hostile or offensive, even if it seems that way. But it is Enthusiastically defensive. :lol: :roll:
No one but MJ is going to talk us out of this.
Oh, and we DON'T have the time you think. I was thinking you knew something about the timing of MJ's comeback---but in case you haven't noticed, Man has this baby careening to the local ditch, bigtime. So many living species have gone extinct, we are already skewered.
Everything is interdependant. Why do you think there are diseases now, NEVER before found on earth? Hmmm...could it be those fruit flies that live on that single rainforest flower, which had the only POSSIBLE answer to the demise of Man, here?
Or could it be all the fake WHITE food we've been eating since the 1930s (sugar, flour, sweeteners, stripped grains, chemicals instead of butter??? )
What? eat vegetables? Which ones, the ones which could possibly feed the people in all poverty stricken countries, except politics won't permit it---or do you mean to give those fake vegetables to ourselves, in order to further alter our DNA, until we can't even put two thoughts together to work our best plan until God intervenes?
I'm not saying do nothing.
Everything matters---the least little kindness one can do for another to lighten their burden, or alter the course of something wrong and make it go right.
I am saying, if you were (read the newspaper) paying attention (hey, :idea: read the entire Forum), you've seen that we are fighting more enemies than we can cover in the the time left.
WE have been "fiddling for DECADES, while Rome Burned". Almost every man for himself. It took YEARS to get people accustomed to recycling---and even just not throwing trash out the car windows onto the streets of America---remember that??! :roll: :x
We have way heavier, scarier things to worry about now, if it is ALL up to US :!: :!: . omg :cry:
But God said :arrow: He will not destroy the earth, nor let man do it. Yes, I have a hand to the plough, but MY efforts are miniscule compared to His plan. I am betting all on HIM., and awaiting more instructions. :D :D :D
Michael Jackson is not going to save the planet.
Don't put all this on him.
He's the most :D fascinating person 8-) I ever heard of, but don't put the burden of this on him, or it will prevent his return, because NO man can fix this thing. If he has something up his sleeve, yeah, lets help him. But, don't add all this crap to what he's already probably going through to get back to us. Pray for him and each other, so we can know what to do. 8-)
:) In Peace and Hope and Love. More than more.
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@It's Her
Preach!
In Jesus name!
I really, really, really, really like you!
You are a great writer.. and you think brilliantly. You type exactly what i'm thinking .. but they are thoughts that I can't seem to transfer into appropriate words!
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That´s not an answer shaqsspear.
Is this "putting people to work" a summary for you?
Is this (your own) the only thread you read/write in?
Please, answer clearly.
We´ve seen this kind of cryptic answers before.
That´s not unusual, but suspicious here now.
Do you love suspicious?
This is only a simple thread you do what you want from that, I mean I am not here to be suspicious I just want to keep my mind focus on this hoax, and this is not because we believe or we see something in a video that we should stop thinking and questionning ourselves. I am not cryptic but you seem to have a problem with people who don't follow your pathway I mean come on we don't know nothing for sure.
This is like Santa Claus for young children, they see him on tv, at home, in the supermarket, they believe in him but he is a fake, we know it but they see him...
Maybe in Michael's case like in Criss Angel "what you see is what you get" but maybe not.
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Mmm I get what you're saying. However, I disagree with some points. First, I think more people listened to Jesus's message AFTER he came back. It's a problem with us humans, we like to see evidence rather than just believe it. I know, it's "all about faith," but we're not perfect and we're not without doubt. I think, if Michael has a message to send out, for everyone to really grasp it, it is ESSENTIAL he comes back. (Note: I know that there are people on this forum who are not religious, please don't think I am comparing Michael to Jesus, I am only comparing the situations. I don't mean to offend anyone.) Unfortunately, for the masses "seeing is believing." Also, I got the impression from TII that we actually don't have all the time in the world. Michael said "we've got 4 years" (Sidenote: I don't really understand this. It doesn't fit in the 2012 theory since 4 years from 2009 =2013...unless TII wasn't filmed in 2009...). Have you noticed all the crap going on in the world lately? I'm all for changing the world, making it a better place, "Healing it" if you will...but I don't think "we have time." I think what's going on right now is an emergency.
May I ask you a question? I know it's been posted before, but this topic seems to be a re-cap of everything. You are pretty inquisitive, yet, like Its her, I wonder :arrow: :arrow: what do you know about all this?[/color][/b]
mjfansince4,
I too think we are in an emergency situation, and I don't think we have 4 years. Either MJ meant something other than what we all got out of TII or he knows something we don't. Some of this evil and destruction was written (as in, "It Is Written" :roll: ;) ) and WILL come to pass at the end of the World system, so I didn't understand if he thought maybe this wasn't the actual end, yet, and we can still stop this nosedive we are in, or push the clock back a decade or so, if we change ways, here, or what??? MJ needs to get back here and explain, very plainly and slowly :? :lol: for me.
Notice that Shaq guy NEVER answers my last question? :roll: :roll: :roll: THAT's NOT NICE.and it's not mysterious or unusual. It is rather snake-ish. :shock: He's NOT MJ or anyone who knows him, because of how he talks. Beware, kids!!!
SNAKE alert!!! :shock:
What was your questions sorry ?
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Ok you seem to have a little problem with me and maybe a little bit of hating even if you keep pretending this is not personal, I will try to answer some of your comments, i am not a liar not a cheater
Jesus Christ did not fake :shock: His death. Don't take fiction to the bank; it is counterfeit.
You have to know that history is always studied and they found lately, I think it was last year that maybe jesus escaped with the help of few but this is only a theory like this hoax
Jesus is NOT a magician.
Michael is not a magician but you seem to believe like I do that he has faked is dead and will come back
He is God.
For many Michael fans Michael is the only God and they will pray him
People follow Jesus and take His messages to heart, because he is the Truth. The truth makes one FREE. He hasn't had billions of followers because of some publicity stunt (You talk about pretending to know the truth).
And centuries ago and nowadays in the world people killed each others in the name of God
Don't you think someone who studied Him would know if He was a psycho/liar?
So if I follow you, ok Jesus hasn't faked is death because if he has done that then he was a psycho/liar but Michael has faked is death and he is perfection, come on don't think you are smarter than anyone judging me and writing huge message about a little thing I wrote down here
As people have been telling you here, you need to go to the Index or the Blog and read & read, for the answers you seek.
We do have a couple of topics for people who can't believe, who can't hook up with all we've found which points to MJ being alive, I am content to let THOSE folks keep asking themsleves and us if he is gone, while the rest of us wait for Michael Jackson, himself, to come out from behind the curtain. :lol: :lol: 8-) :D For us, there is too much evidence on our side, to vacillate and waste time crying every other day, but to each, his own. :)
I don't force you to read or answer my thread like I said
I wouldn't take it as hostile or offensive, even if it seems that way. But it is Enthusiastically defensive. :lol: :roll:
No one but MJ is going to talk us out of this.
you act like "hey we know the truth we are better than anyone else" make me laugh when you seem to follow the message of god and in the same time you don't like at all people who disagree with you
But God said :arrow: He will not destroy the earth, nor let man do it. Yes, I have a hand to the plough, but MY efforts are miniscule compared to His plan. I am betting all on HIM., and awaiting more instructions. :D :D :D
first instruction : stop your ego
That all folks...
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so whats the second and third intruction
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NO ANSWER AGAIN.
Looking for the truth in just one (your own) thread? :lol:
Is this thread gonna end someday and so are we gonna be gifted seeing you participating in the rest of us thoughts?
What is my path shaqspare? Where do you know me/us from?
Why do you have to think that much your answers and get off line when you´re asked?
Are you shaqspare on twitter, myspace and the suspended YT account?
http://www.youtube.com/shaqspear
:lol:
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NO ANSWER AGAIN.
Looking for the truth in just one (your own) thread? :lol:
Is this thread gonna end someday and so are we gonna be gifted seeing you participating in the rest of us thoughts?
What is my path shaqspare? Where do you know me/us from?
Why do you have to think that much your answers and get off line when you´re asked?
Are you shaqspare on twitter, myspace and the suspended YT account?
http://www.youtube.com/shaqspear
:lol:
I don't look for the truth, because no one of you know the truth, neither do I.
i know no one among you.
I don't understand what you mean by getting offline when I am asked, I try to answer what you asked me but sometimes I have no answers to give you it's as simple as that.
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oh has this thread done then?
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@It's Her
Preach!
In Jesus name!
I really, really, really, really like you!
You are a great writer.. and you think brilliantly. You type exactly what i'm thinking .. but they are thoughts that I can't seem to transfer into appropriate words!
Ditto!! It'sHer, you sound like maybe a youth pastor or preacher's kid!! Awesome posts...very cool...
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oh has this thread done then?
no because maybe the best is yet to come ...
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so what is it then, are you another prankster?
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noir ou blanc :lol:
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[quote="shaqspear
I don't look for the truth, because no one of you know the truth, neither do I.
i know no one among you.
I don't understand what you mean by getting offline when I am asked, I try to answer what you asked me but sometimes I have no answers to give you it's as simple as that.[/quote]
So you answered the original question, and the answer is...
You will not look at the different topics of this forum to seek answers because in your opinion we don't have them, at least not "true" answers.
Doh!
So instead...
You create a thread asking for, as you stated, our false insights....
sort of strange :?
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haha i just read this thread over to try and figure out what's going on here. i still have no clue...
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Then keep watching...
"maybe the best is yet to come ...!!!"
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Some of you think that MJ use this ultimate trick to make us realize that the world has to change, that we have to change, and when I read this forum I see lots of people judging each others, pretending to know the truth, not even giving a bit of hope for the future, I had created a thread about that asking you what have you done since his death to change the man in the mirror and no reactions, come on are you that perfect ?
Just because you think he will come back and tell you what to do then you do nothing?
For my part I have decided to be closer to some friends I let along the road of life, sometimes you move on and you forget what is important for you. I will also try to be closer to my family, I will keep being a good mate for my partners at work and listen to people the best I can.
Give a smile...
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is this thread you personal diary?
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is this thread you personal diary?
yes keep on judge me
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i am not judging you it is just your thread and the way you write which country are you from?
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i am not judging you it is just your thread and the way you write which country are you from?
from the moon
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okay that explains it
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After struggling myself through 5 pages I seriously wonder where this thread is heading... I'm getting complaints about it, especially about the "vagueness" of it. Please start being straight to the point.
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After struggling myself through 5 pages I seriously wonder where this thread is heading... I'm getting complaints about it, especially about the "vagueness" of it. Please start being straight to the point.
I used to be straight to the point, and I wanted to show that behind every answers they pretend to know there is another question in the making but they don't wanna hear that they don't wanna hear that maybe we are all wrong...
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why are we here on the board described as they - so you not a member then
you dont associate with us
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we are all walking in the dark - you too
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why are we here on the board described as they - so you not a member then
you dont associate with us
You play with the word there you know I am associated with you I have said that I believe
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Maybe shaqspear and the arabian nights can take this convo to PM...? :roll:
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we are all walking in the dark - you too
yes and as the days go by I think it is darker, because some people tend to see things where there is nothing to see, I take for exemple a thread about pinguins, and one about a reflection in the sunglasses of jermaine where there was nothing, every thing and everyone in the world is not in the hoax...
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is this thread merely for attention? can i delete myself? :lol: :lol: 8-) :|
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is this thread merely for attention? can i delete myself? :lol: :lol: 8-) :|
sorry for all that ^^