Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Hoax Pictures => Topic started by: foreverlovinyou on March 17, 2010, 10:57:43 PM
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Hey guys =) I'm a new member here! So .. I'm going to share what I've noticed. On Michael's right side of his tooth, he has a "fang" tooth, and his front teeth have a distinct position. Take a look at my photos and tell me what you think.
(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv335/jedoodoolloon/005.jpg)
(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv335/jedoodoolloon/MichaelJacksonReturningHotel1hc3DJR.jpg)
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Hmmmmm yes I see what you mean but if that is MJ his teeth are getting pretty yellow in the back :lol: jokes aside if it's a double it explains the weird behavior. If it's MJ than idk why he was acting so strange.??
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Hmmmmm yes I see what you mean but if that is MJ his teeth are getting pretty yellow in the back :lol: jokes aside if it's a double it explains the weird behavior. If it's MJ than idk why he was acting so strange.??
LOL if its a double .. then damn they have weird teeth coincidences. But if it's MJ, then I guess he just felt like it? Idk, but it was PROBS MJ at the 02 imo. :?
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You'll notice also with his smile, his lower lip slants down on the left side. It's in every pic he smiles in. Thats how I can tell its him. :D
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You'll notice also with his smile, his lower lip slants down on the left side. It's in every pic he smiles in. Thats how I can tell its him. :D
Do you mean when his bottom lip does like this?
[attachment=0:pyrqu72a]MJ156.jpg[/attachment:pyrqu72a]
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It was Michael at the 02, anyone who thinks otherwise needs to stop being blinded by their hoax minds.
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Oh and here too?? :D :D :D (not as obvious but i see more of his teeth on his left side than his right so yeah :) )
[attachment=0:1oqy5b1l]lips.jpg[/attachment:1oqy5b1l]
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I knew that it was him there. As for the question "If it's really him, then why is he acting strange there." The answer is, he wanted us to thought that, it's a double. And only true fans will know it wasn't. That's all! Nahh, just joking. I don't know either. Hehe. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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You'll notice also with his smile, his lower lip slants down on the left side. It's in every pic he smiles in. Thats how I can tell its him. :D
Do you mean when his bottom lip does like this?
[attachment=0:2qpdx2vs]MJ156.jpg[/attachment:2qpdx2vs]
Yes, thats it. Whenever your not sure if its Michael, just look at the lip... :D
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You'll notice also with his smile, his lower lip slants down on the left side. It's in every pic he smiles in. Thats how I can tell its him. :D
Do you mean when his bottom lip does like this?
[attachment=0:12gl4d9y]MJ156.jpg[/attachment:12gl4d9y]
Yes, thats it. Whenever your not sure if its Michael, just look at the lip... :D
Now we need to do this with all the different costumes in This is It, I think we should also compare the teeth and if possible the fingernails and/or hands. :)
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You'll notice also with his smile, his lower lip slants down on the left side. It's in every pic he smiles in. Thats how I can tell its him. :D
I have always LOVED that! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/images/smilies/wub.gif)(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/images/smilies/wub.gif)(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/images/smilies/wub.gif)
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As for the question "If it's really him, then why is he acting strange there." The answer is, he wanted us to thought that, it's a double. And only true fans will know it wasn't.
Or maybe he was acting strange to make us think that he was addicted to drugs.
Anyway, I also think it was really Michael at o2.
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100% Michael at 02. Moreover,there was no reason to use a double there.
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Yes, I think it was MJ, and I have analyzed the hand lines and I´m 99% shure.
But I cannot avoid saying this sorry:
"Some proof that it was probably Michael at the o2?"
What kind of statement is that? we don´t need a proof to say it was probably him...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
No offense, just in the mod of some laughter. ;)
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100% Michael at 02. Moreover,there was no reason to use a double there.
I always said it was him!!!
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It's no wonder he's died or faked his death.. look at how his own fans rip him apart and claim he's using doubles to do his own press conferences. People hadn't even seen him in a professional manner in years and years then tear into his ears and entire build.
It's ridiculous.
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ohhh this again lol, it was him at O2.
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If that was him I wonder what he ate before going on stage??
Someone must have given him a slice of space cake :lol: :lol:
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I'm also sure it was Michael :)
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Hi Minamai!
Long time without coming across with you.
Nice to see you!
A.M.O.R.
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He is Michael Jackson in TII and O2….there are no doubles ....... :mrgreen:
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You all know my opinion about O2-Michael.
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If that was him I wonder what he ate before going on stage??
Someone must have given him a slice of space cake :lol: :lol:
Black tar heroin on his hands.
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He is Michael Jackson in TII and O2….there are no doubles ....... :mrgreen:
Right on!!!
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Keep on dreaming... I only wish I could see your faces when this is all over... :lol:
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ha ha people what are you afraid of ? , michael had doubles. He used some in his tours, and were to use some doubles in TII concerts . To change cloths between songs, like in the History or Dangerous tour..
cant w8 to see your faces when this is all over, as *Mo* said :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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is this a proof? :?
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its the one and only mj
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yes - why not?
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is this a proof? :?
Yeah without that it is all heresay! I refuse to believe it myself. Michael didnt need anyone pretending to be him. He does the best impression of himself!!!
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as i said before he could walk down the street and everyone would say he was a double
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as i said before he could walk down the street and everyone would say he was a double
Agreed. If you watch fan footage you have people screaming "Michael, Michael!!!" and others questioning..."Is that really him? It looks like him...I dunno?"
You either know or you KNOW.
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wish he walked down my street :D
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I don't think it was Michael at the O2, even though his teeth look the same. I work as a dental prothesic and I would like to tell you how easy it is to make a prothesis to look like somebody else... Michael is been specially known as a perfectionist, so, when he used a double, I'm pretty sure that he and his team took care that every small detail would match "the real one" perfectly. They would only need a person with a similar facial bone structure. After that.... only lots of make-up and some complements ( a wig, glasses, teeth...). Remember Ghosts? well, if Michael can be the Major, don't you think an allready similar person or impersonator can also look like Michael? just a thought...
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If he was using doubles a lot like some people say, then I begin to wonder how many times we have seen the real Michael ;)
PS: I still think it's him at O2.
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Like I posted in other threads:
I did not alter the pics, I only scaled one pic so the nose and mouth (we can't see O2 dude's eyes) would match. Mike's chin is shorter and his jaws are smaller (which would make sense if O2 dude was wearing a mask (prostetic make-up).
It's clear the faces don't match so one of them is a double, and I am pretty sure the black and white one is the real deal, that is why I picked that picture. Of all the comparisations you made, there is not one where I am sure you compared it to the real MJ. But maybe I am wrong and i just don't know how Mike looks like.
These are the 2 pics I compared:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/11.jpg)
Split in half:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/Comp1.jpg)
Animated comparisation. Just put your cursor on the tip of Mike's chin and wait till O2 dude pops up again. Or on O2 dudes jaw line and wait till Mike is back. No match:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2-mike.gif)[/color]
Another one:
These are the 2 pics I compared:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/11-2.jpg)
Split in half:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/Comp2.jpg)
Animated comparisation. Just put your cursor on the tip of Mike's chin and wait till O2 dude pops up again. Or on O2 dudes jaw line and wait till Mike is back. No match:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2-mike2.gif)[/color]
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Nice work, Souza.
Oh the many faces of Michael Jackson. He is probably the most difficult person to figure out this sort of thing about since his face is always changing.
Based on your pictures, I think you make a great point. Would explain the sunglasses, because out of all the lookalikes, nobody can make their eyes look like his. He's just got such distinct eyes.
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to me the same guy - just distance from the camera or zoomed up pic - its not a like for like shot - it is the same person
plus you dont know if the photo - ebony photo was altered to narrow the nose etc
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Of course I respect you all discussing this along the threads, but I ask to myself.
Is this such a big deal?
I MJ used doubles, it´s all under his direction and it was really well done, as it has to be so discussed to come to a conclusion.
If it could be proven it would shed a litle light on some issues. But not that much.
And anyway I see this is not taking us anywhere.
Just what I think.
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to me the same guy - just distance from the camera or zoomed up pic - its not a like for like shot - it is the same person
plus you dont know if the photo - ebony photo was altered to narrow the nose etc
Yeah... hard to tell... I go back and forth with it. Wish he would have taken off his glasses.
I do know that when I first saw the announcment, I didn't think for a second that it wasn't him. I remember noticing that he looked good, better than he had recently. Hmm...
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the reason that some pp get so upset about the doubles thing is because they i think feel that if he used a double in life then he would use a double in the hoax. eg dead body, body in helicopter etc, autopsy etc
but there must be a million threads on this
and its boring now
so what - does it prove anything - dont know - waiting to see
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Of course I respect you all discussing this along the threads, but I ask to myself.
Is this such a big deal?
I MJ used doubles, it´s all under his direction and it was really well done, as it has to be so discussed to come to a conclusion.
If it could be proven it would shed a litle light on some issues. But not that much.
And anyway I see this is not taking us anywhere.
Just what I think.
The issue about using doubles is not important, but I think it's important that people will open their eyes. If they are already denying this, I wonder what else they will deny. People still think he 'wouldn't do this or that', but they forget that when the reason is good enough, which it is IMHO, he WOULD do certain things. I think it's important that people will open their mind about everything, maybe starting with admitting that the people in my comparisations are not the same. And it raises the question WHY did he send a double to O2?
But this is the last I posted on this as well, I am done with it. I made my point and I compared enough, either you see it or you deny it.
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to me the same guy - just distance from the camera or zoomed up pic - its not a like for like shot - it is the same person
plus you dont know if the photo - ebony photo was altered to narrow the nose etc
Just distance from the camera or zoomed up pic?? Gimme a break please!! The noses are a PERFECT match, so please stop saying stupid things like distance and zoom!
IF THE NOSES ARE A PERFECT MATCH AND THE REST OF THE FACES AIN'T MATCHING, THEN WE'RE SEEING TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS!
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the reason that some pp get so upset about the doubles thing is because they i think feel that if he used a double in life then he would use a double in the hoax. eg dead body, body in helicopter etc, autopsy etc
NO, the reason why people get freaking upset and deny the use of doubles is that they are afraid of their OWN feelings once they acknowledge the doubles!
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I cannot believe O2 was MJ, although i caught myself trying to believe it was him. I see what we all can see i.e. same teeth, nose, chin…. but this is like trying to prove the guy is indeed MJ despite he seems to be different.
When people are trained how to identify fake dollar bills, they do not learn how the fake bill looks like, they instead are taught how the real bill looks like, and they learn this to the most possible extend, so, while looking for fake, they look for real, so then when they see fake, they know it is fake because it is not real.
So to me it is quite similar here, it is like trying to prove fake is real: to me the guy does not look like real MJ (not to mention his behavior) so unless I can find the evidence (nose, teeth, chin) then he is real???? It does not make much sense to me.
I think I can imagine, that you can make someone look like someone else, in particular when you make all of the critical most obvious "elements" looking the same (teeth, nose, etc), the things that will be the most obvious things to mislead the viewer. And on top of this, as far as I was able to figure out, there are no photos of O2 guy available other than made "officially", no fan photos other than screen shots from O2 videos, so no one can say with 100% confidence that the O2 pics are not altered and the key things that make O2 guy look like MJ have been additionally photoshopped.
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Oh my god,
I can't believe this, I see people almost FIGHTING over a "question" if Michael send a double to the O2 Arena or not.
Why is that?
I'm sorry but what is so important about this regarding the hoax? So a double said "This is the final curtain call" or Michael said "This is the final curtain call" what does it matter? If it WAS a double Michael probably had reasons for not showing up there, if it WASN'T a double, then maybe Michael was just overwhelmed by the amount of people who showed up for his press conference, and maybe he was really excited to be there maybe that's why he "acted strange" we will never know until Michael will tell us himself when he used a double, or when it was himself. In the end the words "the double" or "the real Michael" said were Michaels words, words he wanted to say at that moment. So does it really matters if the real Michael or the fake Michael said these words? This is an endless discussion and I think both sides will NEVER agree with each other, like the believers of the death hoax and the other fans who really believe Michael is gone...
I don't want to sound like a b"t"h or anything, but I just don't understand why all this arguing is necessary and what use it could be for this DEATH hoax?...
So people please stop being so mad at eachother over this, either you think O2 Michael was a double, or you think it was the real deal. end of story right?
Remember that this is all for love, we all want to find out what really happend to our beloved angel, isn't that all that matters? Sure Michael would have used doubles to live a normal life, I don't get the drama over it... :)
(I do love you all haha :lol: )
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I prefer to call it an in-depth discussion rather than a fight. I like a good debate and I also find the comments interesting.
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I'm sorry but what is so important about this regarding the hoax? So a double said "This is the final curtain call" or Michael said "This is the final curtain call" what does it matter?
It matters a LOT, because that double was used for a reason. If people are still in denial over the use of doubles, then how will they ever understand WHY Mike used doubles?
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Oh my god,
I can't believe this, I see people almost FIGHTING over a "question" if Michael send a double to the O2 Arena or not.
Why is that?
I'm sorry but what is so important about this regarding the hoax? So a double said "This is the final curtain call" or Michael said "This is the final curtain call" what does it matter? If it WAS a double Michael probably had reasons for not showing up there, if it WASN'T a double, then maybe Michael was just overwhelmed by the amount of people who showed up for his press conference, and maybe he was really excited to be there maybe that's why he "acted strange" we will never know until Michael will tell us himself when he used a double, or when it was himself. In the end the words "the double" or "the real Michael" said were Michaels words, words he wanted to say at that moment. This is an endless discussion and I think both sides will NEVER agree with each other, like the believers of the death hoax and the other fans who really believe Michael is gone...
I don't want to sound like a b"t"h or anything, but I just don't understand why all this arguing is necessary and what use it could be for this DEATH hoax?...
So people please stop being so mad at eachother over this, either you think O2 Michael was a double, or you think it was the real deal. end of story right?
Remember that this is all for love, we all want to find out what really happend to our beloved angel, isn't that all that matters? Sure Michael would have used doubles to live a normal life, I don't get the drama over it... :)
(I do love you all haha :lol: )
Like I stated in another post: I am posting the comparisations for people to open their eyes. I feel there is a lot of fear admitting it wasn't him, because people are afraid they might be wrong and he might be reading this. Or they just don't want to see because 'MJ would never do that". I think it's important that people see that things are not always as the media presents it. If they can't even see this, how on earth can they filter out all the other lies presented to them? That is the point I am trying to make, although people simply don't seem to understand.
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It matters a LOT, because that double was used for a reason. If people are still in denial over the use of doubles, then how will they ever understand WHY Mike used doubles?
I totally understand you Mo, that's why I said "Sure Michael would have used doubles to live a normal life, I don't get the drama over it... "
By that I meant "I don't understand the drama of Michael using a double ... " That I don't understand why people don't want to admit that :)
Like I stated in another post: I am posting the comparisations for people to open their eyes. I feel there is a lot of fear admitting it wasn't him, because people are afraid they might be wrong and he might be reading this. Or they just don't want to see because 'MJ would never do that". I think it's important that people see that things are not always as the media presents it. If they can't even see this, how on earth can they filter out all the other lies presented to them? That is the point I am trying to make, although people simply don't seem to understand.
I understand what you mean, I do believe in the doubles, and your comparisastions are excellent!, but I just don't like the fact that people are almost fighting over this. I understand that both sides have their points as to why they believe it's the real Michael or a DOUBLE, but that's no reason to fight is it? It is important that people see what is happening and what influence the media has, and what they did to present Michael as bad as they could/can you're right about that part to. As for the "MJ would never do that" that's something I can answer only by saying "Do you know MJ personally?, if not how can you say he wouldn't do this or that?..you don't cause you don't REALLY know him" right? :)
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fair enough Missy007
i am a bit sick of the name calling as well - i found the effort put in by all the contributors awesome, but pp let themselves down with their intolerances.
its a shame and upsetting
after all this is a public forum and all this is available to the world
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the reason that some pp get so upset about the doubles thing is because they i think feel that if he used a double in life then he would use a double in the hoax. eg dead body, body in helicopter etc, autopsy etc
NO, the reason why people get freaking upset and deny the use of doubles is that they are afraid of their OWN feelings once they acknowledge the doubles!
I can totally and completely understand why you're outbursting like this, Mo- you know what? I just hate the idea of doubles so much, I hate knowing that we probably haven't been seeing Michael as many times as we thought and certainly not in TII or at the O2, but I accept it. I wish it were him all the time, but I accept it that there are times where it probably wasn't, and times where it certainly wasn't, because I know he has his reasons. I know he has danger around him, and I accept that his life is far, FAR more important than making some appearance. (though I hope he at least never "double'd out" at any concerts) I just cannot for the life of me see why people don't seem to even want to open their minds to the possibility, especially with TII and the O2. I don't know about them, but I know you're right with what you're saying there about me, because at first a while back I hated the idea as soon as I read it, and I tried to find logical and practical reasons and ways that it might have been really him. Not for a forum, just for myself. It's a thing in the back of your mind going "he wouldn't do that to us", whether you realize it or not.. But I've already realized long ago that Michael can't make every aspect of his life work for US, the FANS..In the biggest picture, we are not THAT important.
And it makes so much more sense. First of all, I agree with what you've said before that it's kind of insulting to say that that's him in TII, "he" looks about the same weight as in the Thriller era yet he's dancing like a beginner. That's not the King. Next, most people that believe in the Illuminati know that these two, TII and O2, are doubles, yet most people that think he was going to be murdered say it's the real him- in that case doubles are even safer. I don't want to get into a big debate over that now, though, I just wanted to speak my feelings on this issue and ask WHY is it so hard for people to accept the doubles? Excluding ALL theories and reasoning, why can't they even consider it?
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hey everyone, look at the thread "marks on MJ's hand" It's all about this. I posted a TON of photos to prove MJ was at the O2...I posted the one that is also my signature.
also, it may help those people who thought MJ was acting weird...check out google or wikipedia for benzodiazepine effect. One of the symptoms of that is lack of inhibitions. This could also be an explanation for MJ peeing in a cup in his Dr. Office. Oh, and the fact that he had enlarged prostate and needed to go frequently and like his Dr. said, he didn't want to leave the safety of the office to go down the hall every 5 minutes to be chased by the mob, just to use the bathroom.
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Like I stated in another post: I am posting the comparisations for people to open their eyes. I feel there is a lot of fear admitting it wasn't him, because people are afraid they might be wrong and he might be reading this. Or they just don't want to see because 'MJ would never do that". I think it's important that people see that things are not always as the media presents it. If they can't even see this, how on earth can they filter out all the other lies presented to them? That is the point I am trying to make, although people simply don't seem to understand.
Souza, I think you posted this way before we had our photo duel in the other thread. I just want to say, and go back and look at all my previous posts for the proof, that I am NOT one of those you described. I have gotten in trouble many many times with "fans" who refuse to see anything negative about MJ...I posted before the "real" autopsy came out that MJ did wear wigs and had a tattooed hairline..I posted my photos to prove that. I am not one of those who say "MJ would never do that" I'm the person who says "yeh, he probably would" When people were saying the Glenda tapes were MJ I was saying NO! Not because I can't imagine MJ talking this way, (I enjoyed them very much) but because MJ's drink of choice is not a "wine cooler" (I didn't spend more than a week reading trial transcripts just to make that statement) and the best evidence is "him" fumbling over pronunciations of places he's been a thousand times!!!! (when reading off the dates of his tour and spelling the ones he couldn't pronounce) Not to mention MJ has said these places without problem in various interviews. If MJ wants to use a double to trick the paparazzi...hey go for it...if he wants to use a double to fly away in his jet pack in the Dangerous tour...go ahead (he did by the way...when he goes to wheel out the jet pack, if you look at the floor you can see he gets in that box and the double gets out with the jet pack...they weel the box off stage with MJ and he makes his getaway while the double flys away on the jet pack) I saw this years ago from grainy footage of my favorite VHS tape back in the 90's when I was in high school. I am not one of "those" fans. Why would he use a double for the O2? The fact is, his "fans" don't want to admit that he looked like crap at that announcement...bad wig and bad lighting, so they want to pass the blame onto someone else...they can't believe MJ would act different then how they envision him acting...so they pass the blame, they can't imagine MJ would be dirty..dirty hands, dirty clothes, and his zipper unbuttoned, so, they pass it off onto someone who is "less perfect" then "their" MJ. they don't realize he looked great in the after shots and before shots at the hotel from the "normal" lighting, and they don't want to see that he "yet again" has played with his features.... MJ...if you are reading this....could you back me up?
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Like I stated in another post: I am posting the comparisations for people to open their eyes. I feel there is a lot of fear admitting it wasn't him, because people are afraid they might be wrong and he might be reading this. Or they just don't want to see because 'MJ would never do that". I think it's important that people see that things are not always as the media presents it. If they can't even see this, how on earth can they filter out all the other lies presented to them? That is the point I am trying to make, although people simply don't seem to understand.
Souza, I think you posted this way before we had our photo duel in the other thread. I just want to say, and go back and look at all my previous posts for the proof, that I am NOT one of those you described. I have gotten in trouble many many times with "fans" who refuse to see anything negative about MJ...I posted before the "real" autopsy came out that MJ did wear wigs and had a tattooed hairline..I posted my photos to prove that. I am not one of those who say "MJ would never do that" I'm the person who says "yeh, he probably would" When people were saying the Glenda tapes were MJ I was saying NO! Not because I can't imagine MJ talking this way, (I enjoyed them very much) but because MJ's drink of choice is not a "wine cooler" (I didn't spend more than a week reading trial transcripts just to make that statement) and the best evidence is "him" fumbling over pronunciations of places he's been a thousand times!!!! (when reading off the dates of his tour and spelling the ones he couldn't pronounce) Not to mention MJ has said these places without problem in various interviews. If MJ wants to use a double to trick the paparazzi...hey go for it...if he wants to use a double to fly away in his jet pack in the Dangerous tour...go ahead (he did by the way...when he goes to wheel out the jet pack, if you look at the floor you can see he gets in that box and the double gets out with the jet pack...they weel the box off stage with MJ and he makes his getaway while the double flys away on the jet pack) I saw this years ago from grainy footage of my favorite VHS tape back in the 90's when I was in high school. I am not one of "those" fans. Why would he use a double for the O2? The fact is, his "fans" don't want to admit that he looked like crap at that announcement...bad wig and bad lighting, so they want to pass the blame onto someone else...they can't believe MJ would act different then how they envision him acting...so they pass the blame, they can't imagine MJ would be dirty..dirty hands, dirty clothes, and his zipper unbuttoned, so, they pass it off onto someone who is "less perfect" then "their" MJ. they don't realize he looked great in the after shots and before shots at the hotel from the "normal" lighting, and they don't want to see that he "yet again" has played with his features.... MJ...if you are reading this....could you back me up?
I know you aren't addressing me, but I just want to say a few things- I think that's pretty obvious that MJ made someone else do the pack thing, I doubt there are many fans that think that's actually him, and in fact I cannot for the life of me understand the ridiculousness of that little act at all, going through all that hassle for people to watch some Joe fly off.. I, like a great number of others, believe that that is actually him on those Glenda tapes, and I do think that fans find reasons to believe it isn't, but I don't want to get into that. I personally think that whoever that is at the O2 looks very sexy (that mouth makes me wish it were Michael..rawr) and to the best of my knowledge so do most fans, I've never really seen any negative comments on how he looks there, however, if you want to talk crap, just look at TII. Too skinny, weird expressions, slurry, rusty dancing.. I just wonder if maybe you could accept things like you mentioned, but maybe not things where "MJ" speaks and is supposed to be seen and be..well, himself, like the speech and the movie.. Because I understand, because I felt that way myself when I first saw about doubles.. But not for long because I realized that this increased the chances that he's a lot more aggressive/assertive for himself and whatnot for real.. Rawr again, LOL..
Oh, BTW, this ISN'T Michael- I don't know his name and I'm probably an @ss for saying this, but if I didn't know it wasn't him I would sure got fooled,(http://www.bryantmcgill.com/myspace/evan/photo_003.jpg)
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Pinktopaz...I don't understand what you are trying to say?
Dangerous example...I used that because at the time I was so young, I was saying that I noticed that so so long ago...the year it actually happend!
People saying MJ looked like crap at O2...that comes from comments people make on photos of what they belive to be the imposter...people who believe it is MJ usually say nice things...except for me...I am not afraid that MJ is "watching" like Souza said and I will say that I thought he looked like crap. His hair was too puffy and his makeup to much and his lip liner too extrememe...he looked great in pictures before and after that were taken in less bright light and when his lip liner wore off. I don't understand what you are trying to say about TII. As for that impersonator... He's not a match...
Heres a pic of Carlos Riley compared to MJ
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the reason that some pp get so upset about the doubles thing is because they i think feel that if he used a double in life then he would use a double in the hoax. eg dead body, body in helicopter etc, autopsy etc
NO, the reason why people get freaking upset and deny the use of doubles is that they are afraid of their OWN feelings once they acknowledge the doubles!
I think so too.. :) I REALLY can't tell wether there are doubles or not!! I KNOW MJ would use some ocasionally. And in THIS great illusion - why not? In TII he does seem different and on the O2 as well. And though time changes I cannot tell when or not it's a double.
Some of those doubles are so GOOD even I really can't tell the difference! It's torture.. But really I can't.
Elegantly illuted :lol:
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The question is not so much the point that Michael used doubles or stuntdoubles, for he did. Problem is that it is being tremendously exaggerated. Doubles DO look similar to the person they resemble, but not to the level that some people in here are suggesting.
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that being the case - can we take it to the next step - the hoaxing on 25th -
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http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5207/mj1.png
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http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5207/mj1.png
I can't see his eyes, so I can't say it's him. But if that is Mike, then who is this?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/Comp1.jpg)
Rara biljartbal...
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Souza, do u think there might be a possibility that this O2 MJ was just the real King of pop. I mean I know it sounds strange to u, but what if its WAS MJ... :?
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http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5207/mj1.png
I can't see his eyes, so I can't say it's him. But if that is Mike, then who is this?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/Comp1.jpg)
Rara biljartbal...
you had your size off Souza...
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No mykidsmum, it's just NO MATCH! I have no idea what you did, but that's no match either.
Nose and lips match in my comparisation, the rest does not. The size is fine, these are just 2 different persons.
But I am not here to convince you, think whatever you want. I have stated my opinion 100 times: O2 dude is NOT Mike. And now I am done with it, time will tell...... 8-)
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No mykidsmum, it's just NO MATCH! I have no idea what you did, but that's no match either.
Nose and lips match in my comparisation, the rest does not. The size is fine, these are just 2 different persons.
But I am not here to convince you, think whatever you want. I have stated my opinion 100 times: O2 dude is NOT Mike. And now I am done with it, time will tell...... 8-)
Souza...increase your size by about 8 percent and try the match again...
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of the gray guy
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You call your comparison a MATCH mykidsmum? Seriously, in an instant I can clearly see the mouths don't match, Mike's eye is too high to fit into the face of O2 dude, and the chin of O2 dude is still longer!
You know what? I'm tired of this, I really am. Have fun proportioning until you think you have a match. I'm awaiting the appearance of Mike and O2 dude together.
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain this still from the O2 press conference video that were posted on the old forum.
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/phpKYaft8PM.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/O2MJmask608.jpg)
Along with the audio taken from a fan video: "we're going to a (your) funeral"
http://www.zshare.net/audio/74187095623256f8/
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well maybe that's the double off stage??? :lol: :lol:
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He is Michael Jackson in TII and O2….there are no doubles ....... :mrgreen:
IVE SEEN COMMENTS HERE AND THERE PEOPLE TRYIN TO SAY HE HAD DOUBLE IN THE MOVIE. I WAS DEVISTATED! I WONT HARDLY LET MYSELF WATCH IT AGAIN THINKING ITS NOT HIM IN ALOT OF THOSE SHOTS. i WAS SO MEMERIZED THE FIRST TIME I WATCHED IT SOAKING IN SO MUCH OF MICHAEL. THEN I READ WHERE ALOT OF FOLKS SAID IT WASNT ALL HIM AND IT CRUSHED ME! SO I HAVE IT JUST SETTING ON MY DESK NOT WANTING TO WATCH THOSE "OTHER GUYS" IF IT WASNT HIM. I HATE DOUBTING. NOW I AM GOING TO GO BACK AND REWATCH AND KEEP A EYE ON HIS LIP :) THE HARD THING IS THERES NOT ALOT OF CLOSEUPS TO LOOK AT HIS LIPS WHEN HE SMILES. BUT I WANT TO BELIEVE THOSE ARE ALL HIM AND NOT DOUBLES.
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The question is not so much the point that Michael used doubles or stuntdoubles, for he did. Problem is that it is being tremendously exaggerated. Doubles DO look similar to the person they resemble, but not to the level that some people in here are suggesting.
To me they do. If double wears sunglasses, I can't really tell the difference - just IMO. :)
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Souza, do u think there might be a possibility that this O2 MJ was just the real King of pop. I mean I know it sounds strange to u, but what if its WAS MJ... :?
No, no possibility at all, I am convinced that O2 dude was NOT Mike. I can't believe his own true fans don't even see that....
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You call your comparison a MATCH mykidsmum? Seriously, in an instant I can clearly see the mouths don't match, Mike's eye is too high to fit into the face of O2 dude, and the chin of O2 dude is still longer!
You know what? I'm tired of this, I really am. Have fun proportioning until you think you have a match. I'm awaiting the appearance of Mike and O2 dude together.
I guess we have a long wait.
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain this still from the O2 press conference video that were posted on the old forum.
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/phpKYaft8PM.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/O2MJmask608.jpg)
Along with the audio taken from a fan video: "we're going to a (your) funeral"
http://www.zshare.net/audio/74187095623256f8/
Maybe this is an explaination? :)
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7206/potw010.jpg)
(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7276/michaelato2.jpg)
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6976/michaelmy.jpg)
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain this still from the O2 press conference video that were posted on the old forum.
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/phpKYaft8PM.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/O2MJmask608.jpg)
Along with the audio taken from a fan video: "we're going to a (your) funeral"
http://www.zshare.net/audio/74187095623256f8/
Maybe this is an explaination? :)
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7206/potw010.jpg)
I have that photo as well. It is from TNZ's myspace and really doesn't explain anything...
Nor does it explain why someone in the crowd was yelling about going to a funeral during the O2 press conference.
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain this still from the O2 press conference video that were posted on the old forum.
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/phpKYaft8PM.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/O2MJmask608.jpg)
Along with the audio taken from a fan video: "we're going to a (your) funeral"
http://www.zshare.net/audio/74187095623256f8/
Maybe this is an explaination? :)
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7206/potw010.jpg)
I have that photo as well. It is from TNZ's myspace and really doesn't explain anything...
Nor does it explain why someone in the crowd was yelling about going to a funeral during the O2 press conference.
Haha ok... still... I don't want to have a discussion about this, I know what I think and that's it lol... just trying to help ;)
That's weird.. someone yelling about going to a funeral...
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Yeah i never needed proof, I knew it was MJ all along. I am shocked to think that anyone believes that MJ had a double that day on stage or on TII. That is ALL Michael, baby. sweet sweet Michael
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then these two do not match.....these are two MJ's you posted, as is...I did not do anything to them...then I changed the size of one of the pictures and they match better. If you want to compare photo's, it is better to use a photo that is not from a photo shoot...A photo shoot in the age of Photo-shop I mean. I think the two examples you posted, that I am using, is a good example of what they do to professional photoshoot photos....notice the chin and size of eyes....and eyebrow placement...these, according to you, are both MJ.
THE BOTTOM ONE IS YOUR ORRIGINAL SOUZA...THE TOP ONE IS MINE...I RESIZED THE COLORED GUY.
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The question is not so much the point that Michael used doubles or stuntdoubles, for he did. Problem is that it is being tremendously exaggerated. Doubles DO look similar to the person they resemble, but not to the level that some people in here are suggesting.
Ditto.
His own his siblings looks nothing like him, but he did find a lot of random men that looks exactly like him? No way guys, even with surgeries you can't do that.
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The question is not so much the point that Michael used doubles or stuntdoubles, for he did. Problem is that it is being tremendously exaggerated. Doubles DO look similar to the person they resemble, but not to the level that some people in here are suggesting.
Ditto.
His own his siblings looks nothing like him, but he did find a lot of random men that looks exactly like him? No way guys, even with surgeries you can't do that.
Breaking news...I found the O2 match guy! It was a sibling...It was Jermaine!
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No mykidsmum, it's just NO MATCH! I have no idea what you did, but that's no match either.
Nose and lips match in my comparisation, the rest does not. The size is fine, these are just 2 different persons.
But I am not here to convince you, think whatever you want. I have stated my opinion 100 times: O2 dude is NOT Mike. And now I am done with it, time will tell...... 8-)
She did what everyone should do to compare two pics when they have different sizes, in order to get a valid conclusion. No manipulation, no tricks, she just made the whole pic proportionally (?) bigger.
With the due respect admins, by reading through your posts I think you ignore, forget or deny some basic notions/rules of proportions, dimensions, perception, angles, position, distances and lightening. I could be wrong, though.
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Breaking news...I found the O2 match guy! It was a sibling...It was Jermaine!
OMG, perfect match! So it was Jermaine all the time? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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loll I like this one loll Jermaine loll
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Pinktopaz...I don't understand what you are trying to say?
Dangerous example...I used that because at the time I was so young, I was saying that I noticed that so so long ago...the year it actually happend!
People saying MJ looked like crap at O2...that comes from comments people make on photos of what they belive to be the imposter...people who believe it is MJ usually say nice things...except for me...I am not afraid that MJ is "watching" like Souza said and I will say that I thought he looked like crap. His hair was too puffy and his makeup to much and his lip liner too extrememe...he looked great in pictures before and after that were taken in less bright light and when his lip liner wore off. I don't understand what you are trying to say about TII. As for that impersonator... He's not a match...
Heres a pic of Carlos Riley compared to MJ
Well I just meant that it's pretty obvious that MJ didn't REALLY do that jet thing, I mean it just sounds too daredevil-y or whatever, and I also meant that I never saw the point of putting it in the show for that reason. I get you on the O2, I didn't like the guy's hair but I still say the little V with the lip stuff is sexy, LOL.. TII, I meant that I thought the doubles in that looked worse than the O2 one (save for the Gilda movie part). And I wasn't trying to say Riley could be a double or whatever, I just wanted to say that besides an in-depth comparison, people really can look AMAZINGLY like someone else- come on, if you didn't know already that beautiful picture would fool you, too.. ^_'
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Michael's walk was different, maybe he had a few cocktails before the show. But he reminds me of someone who is happy to have the attention but upset that he has too many concerts to do. As I noticed there was a arrogance to his demeaner, which we fans have never seen before. He looked both happy and stressed, (in his walk).
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come on, if you didn't know already that beautiful picture would fool you, too.. ^_'
See Topaz...that is what I am trying to say. Just like singing... there are some people who can and some people who can't and there are some people who "think" they can. Eyesight is this way. There are some people who are talented at detecting shape, size, spacial recognition, little things that other people pass over etc and like singing, there are people who can and people who can't but think they can. It is difficult for people to compare and see something in detail and close up when the bigger picture looks so different. There is something that happens and the mind does not allow anything in visually that does not fit with the original picture they saw. The saying about first impressions...this is the same type of thing. There are always going to be the people, who see the big picture, but at the same time, they see the details, the lighting, the environment, the angle, the time of day, the pimple, the chip on the tooth, the fly away hair, the bowed legs or knock knees, they see the makeup or lack of, they see the broken capillaries and pores, they see the distance between the object rather than the object...and there are people who will only see the big picture... that is ok because what is this world without the variety. The trouble lies when the proof is presented and the bigger picture people refuse to see the details. They can if they tried, but usually there is biased that prevents them from doing it...like their own agendas. Agenda's is a strong word because it could be as simple as the details don't fit with their ideal.
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Michael's walk was different, maybe he had a few cocktails before the show. But he reminds me of someone who is happy to have the attention but upset that he has too many concerts to do. As I noticed there was a arrogance to his demeaner, which we fans have never seen before. He looked both happy and stressed, (in his walk).
I agree about the walk...he had that same walk at the trial and many other times in his life...take a look at TracyK's vid [youtube:7oh17wd9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHMC1t6wvIw&feature=related[/youtube:7oh17wd9]
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come on, if you didn't know already that beautiful picture would fool you, too.. ^_'
See Topaz...that is what I am trying to say. Just like singing... there are some people who can and some people who can't and there are some people who "think" they can. Eyesight is this way. There are some people who are talented at detecting shape, size, spacial recognition, little things that other people pass over etc and like singing, there are people who can and people who can't but think they can. It is difficult for people to compare and see something in detail and close up when the bigger picture looks so different. There is something that happens and the mind does not allow anything in visually that does not fit with the original picture they saw. The saying about first impressions...this is the same type of thing. There are always going to be the people, who see the big picture, but at the same time, they see the details, the lighting, the environment, the angle, the time of day, the pimple, the chip on the tooth, the fly away hair, the bowed legs or knock knees, they see the makeup or lack of, they see the broken capillaries and pores, they see the distance between the object rather than the object...and there are people who will only see the big picture... that is ok because what is this world without the variety. The trouble lies when the proof is presented and the bigger picture people refuse to see the details. They can if they tried, but usually there is biased that prevents them from doing it...like their own agendas. Agenda's is a strong word because it could be as simple as the details don't fit with their ideal.
Oo-kay, so in other words, I wouldn't know it isn't him, but you would? Figures, lame me.. But I get it about all of the different ways of seeing.
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[quote="PinkTopaz]
Oo-kay, so in other words, I wouldn't know it isn't him, but you would? Figures, lame me.. But I get it about all of the different ways of seeing.
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umm...actually when I was writing that, I wasn't implying you...I had two other people in my mind...sorry if you took offence to it. For the record, I don't see you that way.
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@ Missyb007:
the thing behind the curtain is not Mike but a camera and a camera guy - this has been discussed and debunked before in another thread. Sorry. :roll:
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@ Missyb007:
the thing behind the curtain is not Mike but a camera and a camera guy - this has been discussed and debunked before in another thread. Sorry. :roll:
It hasn't been debunked properly because not everyone actually believes it was a cameraman. I've seen two photos, one definitely was a cameraman but the other didn't look like one at all - it was a little blurry but did look like someone wearing a surgical mask.
These two pics side by side were never debunked as far as I know.
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[quote="PinkTopaz]
Oo-kay, so in other words, I wouldn't know it isn't him, but you would? Figures, lame me.. But I get it about all of the different ways of seeing.
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umm...actually when I was writing that, I wasn't implying you...I had two other people in my mind...sorry if you took offence to it. For the record, I don't see you that way.[/quote][/quote][/quote]
Would that be Souza & Mo mykidsmum? So we THINK we can see things, but we can't? So youare saying you can? Because that's what I got from that post.
I have tried to explain a 100 times that you shouldn't look at scars and stuff like that. IMO this is a mask (prostetic make-up) and with that you can MAKE scars, make someone look like somebody else. Maybe you should watch some more movies.
I can assure you that my eyes are perfect and my brain doesn't even have to interfere here. O2 dude looks like someone with a LOT of prostetic make-up on his face, hence the bigger head. He doesn't look like Mike at all.
In my comparisation (the black & white one, because I am not 100% the other one is him, because of the photoshop job they did) I have scaled the nose/mouth erea until the space between nose and mouth was the same. He has a closed mouth on both pics, so that means we should have a match on the rest of the face as well. Of course it's possible it's not exact, because you will always have a different angle, but this difference is WAY to big. O2 dude's chin is longer and the face is wider, and that makes sense, if his face is full of prostetc make-up....
Do not imply I am blind mykidsmum, I can see clearly now. If O2 dude is the real deal, I promise you I will tell you that I was wrong. But I am convinced I don't have to.
We disagree and that is fine, but don't pretend that others have a blurry vision.
Now this was REALLY the last thing I said about this topic, because we are going in circles here and it's annoying the crap outta me.
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It's hard to have an opinion on here lol
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here Souza...what are your oppinions on this? Do you think this would happen with a mask of MJ? Do you think that something could match up this well? If you want, I can make my next comparison of MJ's body if you would like...including the head, so you can see the only thing "big" about his head was that wig.
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here Souza...what are your oppinions on this? Do you think this would happen with a mask of MJ? Do you think that something could match up this well? If you want, I can make my next comparison of MJ's body if you would like...including the head, so you can see the only thing "big" about his head was that wig.
brilliant cut and paste - how do you do that - fantastic
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And Souza, Did u noticed that MJ (O2) had way other wig than normal. Look to his hair.. I mean he has another hairstile, so maybe that explains the reason why we think MJ looked strange @O2.. Becuz we never have seen him before with that wig!
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i wasnt sure i liked this wig, but it has grown on me - :lol:
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or this? Even the teeth match..or I guess those are some pretty good dentures.
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this is the last one I got for now...I gotta get the kids dinner and stuff. and a cup of coffee...you see, they have the same legs.
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this is the last one I got for now...I gotta get the kids dinner and stuff. and a cup of coffee...you see, they have the same legs.
who, your kids?
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this is the last one I got for now...I gotta get the kids dinner and stuff. and a cup of coffee...you see, they have the same legs.
who, your kids?
:lol: ha ha ha...No, thank God...LOL! I meant the picture...the picture, MJ has the same legs in both pictures...Thanks for that laugh I needed it...LOL
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this is the last one I got for now...I gotta get the kids dinner and stuff. and a cup of coffee...you see, they have the same legs.
who, your kids?
:lol: ha ha ha...No, thank God...LOL! I meant the picture...the picture, MJ has the same legs in both pictures...Thanks for that laugh I needed it...LOL
You are very welcome Mykidsmum xxxx
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this is the last one I got for now...I gotta get the kids dinner and stuff. and a cup of coffee...you see, they have the same legs.
i feel sure mike would kiss you
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ok...one more body comparison, I took O2 MJ and compared him with another MJ.... Hope you like
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ok...one more body comparison, I took O2 MJ and compared him with another MJ.... Hope you like
your on a roll with this
when your right your right :D
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THAT IS A SEXY BODY :D
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wow! Great! Love that lol but i also think the last one with 3 arms...weird loll ;) great job
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wow! Great! Love that lol but i also think the last one with 3 arms...weird loll ;) great job
with 3 arms he can give bigger hugs :) :D
thanks everyone for the positve feedback...I really appriciate it.
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Oh my, poor Mike.....
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It is 100% the real Michael Jackson at the O2
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Oh god......Sorry Mike.....please forgive them for they don't know what they're doing...
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Oh god......Sorry Mike.....please forgive them for they don't know what they're doing...
care to explain? Could you also tell me what about those pictures is not "Mike"...for people who are not "fans", you both sound like two peas in the fan pod. Why do you think I or anyone else is in need of MJ's forgiveness. Why is believing MJ was not at the announcement of his own concerts too difficult to believe? Better yet, show me anyone in the whole world who could pass for MJ in this type of comparison. Just one person is all I ask...even among his impersonators there is no one who would fit with the match ups I did. Tell me, what am I missing?
Think about this...if you had someone who was a fan of MJ during the Bad era, and for some reason they fell off the face of the Earth for a few years...Suddenly they come back and it's the Invincible era...They turn on MTV hoping to see their lovely MJ...and see....
If MJ had lived for another 30 years, I guarantee, 10 years from now you wouldn't recognise him again...This is who he is and what he is about...He is always growing and changing...He's an artist. Not to mention his wig maker is in London....
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Why is believing MJ was not at the announcement of his own concerts too difficult to believe?
Because O2 dude DOES NOT LOOK LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON....
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That sounded like when a father says
-You can´t do this.
Annd the son asks
-Why?
and the father answers
-Because you can´t do this.
Well, well just because...
FORGIVE ME MICHAEL, I DON´T KNOW WHAT TO THINK.
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Well if O2 dude is Mike, then who is the other guy?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O222.jpg)
Sorry, but if you still say those two are the same, then I rest my case...
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I can´t denny those 2 pics SEEMS different people.
Anyway, I have not decided and still think that the hands are the same.
I think here we´re seeing the same again and again, a vicious circle.
He is - No he isn´t - He is - No he isn´t
I don´t know if we´re gonna get to a conclusion any day.
But I ask myself if you, Souza and Mo, have a special interest to convince (good sense) about this question for any further statement of yours.
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I can´t denny those 2 pics SEEMS different people.
Anyway, I have not decided and still think that the hands are the same.
I think here we´re seeing the same again and again, a vicious circle.
He is - No he isn´t - He is - No he isn´t
I don´t know if we´re gonna get to a conclusion any day.
But I ask myself if you, Souza and Mo, have a special interest to convince (good sense) about this question for any further statement of yours.
It is going in circles and it's getting on my nerves now. Comparing bodies now that wear jackets? Come on...
Like I said before: If people can't even see the O2 'lie', how on earth will the be open minded about the message?
And if you believe in this message, how on earth is it possible that people are so desperate to deny the fact that he sends a double on stage at O2?
He is trying to tell people that you shouldn't just believe anything that is written or on TV. He is showing people how easily they are being fooled, by sending out doubles to O2, in This is It. You are being told Michael Jackson was on stage at O2 and TII, you are being told he died, you are being told he was buried, you are being told a load of crap. And the funny fact is that he makes it so obvious, so easy for everyone to see, yet people don't see it or they just don't want to see it.
Also with the doubles in TII. Most of them couldn't even dance. How is it possible that his true fans think that's him? The argument? He aged....
Well I think he is very capable of moving and dancing like himself, yet some of the MJ's on stage were screwing up.
One has long skinny legs, the other one doesn't. One has broad shoulders, the other one doesn't. Just a few examples.
Then you get the question: "How can someone look that much like him, it's impossible." First of all, he clearly doesn't look like Mike that much, his facial structure is off, his smile is off and his manners are off. Besides that, prostetic make-up can do so much, maybe some people didn't watch Ghost? Just look at the color of O2 dude's face, it's all make-up. Lots and lots of make-up. Yet the picture from behind the curtain shows a Michael Jackson with a healthy color on his face. You can't always blame the lighting and the angle.
It's about seeing that you are being lied to. That is what this whole hoax is all about. And I think that if you can't even see that he sent a double to O2 (while being behind the curtain himself) they can't see his message. That is why this is bugging the hell out of me. That and the fact that people say we are disrespectful for saying there were doubles, while I think it's not very nice to claim that some of those doubles in TII were the real deal, even I can dance better than some of them...
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By "if you can´t see" you mean me or us?
Because as I said I don´t think he is nor he isn´t.
Which I think is a good open attitude.
Response to this is not necessary. ;)
And thank you for your answer.
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By "if you can´t see" you mean me or us?
Because as I said I don´t think he is nor he isn´t.
Which I think is a good open attitude.
Response to this is not necessary. ;)
And thank you for your answer.
No, I mean in general...
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I can´t denny those 2 pics SEEMS different people.
Anyway, I have not decided and still think that the hands are the same.
I think here we´re seeing the same again and again, a vicious circle.
He is - No he isn´t - He is - No he isn´t
I don´t know if we´re gonna get to a conclusion any day.
But I ask myself if you, Souza and Mo, have a special interest to convince (good sense) about this question for any further statement of yours.
It is going in circles and it's getting on my nerves now. Comparing bodies now that wear jackets? Come on...
Like I said before: If people can't even see the O2 'lie', how on earth will the be open minded about the message?
And if you believe in this message, how on earth is it possible that people are so desperate to deny the fact that he sends a double on stage at O2?
He is trying to tell people that you shouldn't just believe anything that is written or on TV. He is showing people how easily they are being fooled, by sending out doubles to O2, in This is It. You are being told Michael Jackson was on stage at O2 and TII, you are being told he died, you are being told he was buried, you are being told a load of crap. And the funny fact is that he makes it so obvious, so easy for everyone to see, yet people don't see it or they just don't want to see it.
Also with the doubles in TII. Most of them couldn't even dance. How is it possible that his true fans think that's him? The argument? He aged....
Well I think he is very capable of moving and dancing like himself, yet some of the MJ's on stage were screwing up.
One has long skinny legs, the other one doesn't. One has broad shoulders, the other one doesn't. Just a few examples.
Then you get the question: "How can someone look that much like him, it's impossible." First of all, he clearly doesn't look like Mike that much, his facial structure is off, his smile is off and his manners are off. Besides that, prostetic make-up can do so much, maybe some people didn't watch Ghost? Just look at the color of O2 dude's face, it's all make-up. Lots and lots of make-up. Yet the picture from behind the curtain shows a Michael Jackson with a healthy color on his face. You can't always blame the lighting and the angle.
It's about seeing that you are being lied to. That is what this whole hoax is all about. And I think that if you can't even see that he sent a double to O2 (while being behind the curtain himself) they can't see his message. That is why this is bugging the hell out of me. That and the fact that people say we are disrespectful for saying there were doubles, while I think it's not very nice to claim that some of those doubles in TII were the real deal, even I can dance better than some of them...
We're on the exact same level, I couldn't have said it any better. Thanks Souz!
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He's trying to tell people not to believe what they see on TV and the Media by deceiving the people and using a body double to trick them.
Ohhhh kay.
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Souza...those 2 people you posted are both MJ...One he is out of the light and one he is under the light. When you have the lights he had on stage...it washes out all lines and DEPTH. You are seeing the depth in his features when he is stepping out.
You said the bone structure is not the same...well the profile doesn't lie...here it is. Do you think maybe his "message" at O2 was simply...concerts?
as for the "jackets" I compared...I was thinking more along the lines of the legs...but I guess you didn't "see" that?
The pictures I am comparing here are from Japan music awards in 2008 and O2
the last one is that Dylan guy...he looks different too.
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mykidsmum, I already gave up on you and I am done discussing your comparisations. Whatever I say, you are always coming up with another one that doesn't match, so save your breath and try someone else. You will never see, not even when he would tell it himself. That's it about O2 dude, 'nuff said.
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LOL! mykidsmum you are awesome. Souza and Mo... ya'll are nuts!!! IT'S MJ! Admit it, mykidsmum's comparisons clearly show that it's him. :lol: :lol:
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Souza...I've given the "proof" If you want to believe that wasn't MJ simply because he "doesn't look like MJ" then you've got me laughing :lol: because I have said all along...It doesn't look like "MJ". That doesn't change the fact that it is. MJ doesn't look like he did 2 years, 5 years, 6 years ago... He certainly doesn't look like he did in the Thriller era. I've come across my fair share of recent photos where I've said..."what the...?" In the span of 2009, if you look at the beginning of his Dr. visits and at the end...WOAH! Just his nose alone went from sharp to more plump and round...his chin thinner and deeper cleft. I had to look twice! Ok, you may find someone with the same type of legs, or same type of hands, or similar nose (I've never seen one) but the odds of finding them ALL on one person. If it's important to you to believe that was not MJ...fine. it's no skin off my back... I've presented evidence and called you on yours. I've asked you what is wrong with mine and you said they don't match...HUH? WTH? In what universe is that? Unless you mean the slight variation for not finding the EXACT angle and position. Well...I'll be working on TII pics next....:)
Thanks to all the people who PM'ed me with support and encouragement. I also have info from a Denture maker who worked in the theater...but that's for another thread sometime....
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Souza...I've given the "proof" If you want to believe that wasn't MJ simply because he "doesn't look like MJ" then you've got me laughing :lol: because I have said all along...It doesn't look like "MJ". That doesn't change the fact that it is. MJ doesn't look like he did 2 years, 5 years, 6 years ago... He certainly doesn't look like he did in the Thriller era. I've come across my fair share of recent photos where I've said..."what the...?" In the span of 2009, if you look at the beginning of his Dr. visits and at the end...WOAH! Just his nose alone went from sharp to more plump and round...his chin thinner and deeper cleft. I had to look twice! Ok, you may find someone with the same type of legs, or same type of hands, or similar nose (I've never seen one) but the odds of finding them ALL on one person. If it's important to you to believe that was not MJ...fine. it's no skin off my back... I've presented evidence and called you on yours. I've asked you what is wrong with mine and you said they don't match...HUH? WTH? In what universe is that? Unless you mean the slight variation for not finding the EXACT angle and position. Well...I'll be working on TII pics next....:)
Thanks to all the people who PM'ed me with support and encouragement. I also have info from a Denture maker who worked in the theater...but that's for another thread sometime....
Nice work!
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I request excuses by my English because it is not my language. But you would mean to them to all who the type of O2 and TII is Michael Jackson. This demonstrated in other forums. In O2 we saw a MJ very badly combed and very thin. One does not see as MJ but is MJ. So that to send a double to the O2? In 12 years the people can change their way to interpret the things. We cannot remain with the way to dance of MJ of years ago. She can interpret of a way different his performance from the past because she is 50 years old and artistic she has matured his routine of dance and no longer he is a youngster, although we saw a MJ fortified in TII. The jackets so fit that I use in TII made me think about the Magician of Oz. I fodder that MJ queria that noticed the thin thing to him that this. MJ is a person who when changing its hairdo, its glasses, their clothes or its gestures we can confuse it with another person. They remember what can make the bad illumination in a face, a scene or a house (we can see ghosts). I am going to try to secure a photo of MJ in O2 where we can clearly see the scars him in the face. [Attachment = 0] o2mj_1.jpg [/ attachment] [attachment = 1] o2mj_2.jpg [/ attachment] [ attachment = 2] o2mj_3.jpg [/ attachment][attachment=0:3qfspjgv]Michael O2.jpg[/attachment:3qfspjgv][attachment=1:3qfspjgv]Michael O2.2.jpg[/attachment:3qfspjgv][attachment=2:3qfspjgv]o2mj_1.jpg[/attachment:3qfspjgv][attachment=3:3qfspjgv]o2mj_2.jpg[/attachment:3qfspjgv][attachment=4:3qfspjgv]o2mj_3.jpg[/attachment:3qfspjgv]
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I request excuses by my English because it is not my language. But you would mean to them to all who the type of O2 and TII is Michael Jackson. This demonstrated in other forums. In O2 we saw a MJ very badly combed and very thin. One does not see as MJ but is MJ. So that to send a double to the O2? In 12 years the people can change their way to interpret the things. We cannot remain with the way to dance of MJ of years ago. She can interpret of a way different his performance from the past because she is 50 years old and artistic she has matured his routine of dance and no longer he is a youngster, although we saw a MJ fortified in TII. The jackets so fit that I use in TII made me think about the Magician of Oz. I fodder that MJ queria that noticed the thin thing to him that this. MJ is a person who when changing its hairdo, its glasses, their clothes or its gestures we can confuse it with another person. They remember what can make the bad illumination in a face, a scene or a house (we can see ghosts). I am going to try to secure a photo of MJ in O2 where we can clearly see the scars him in the face. [Attachment = 0] o2mj_1.jpg [/ attachment] [attachment = 1] o2mj_2.jpg [/ attachment] [ attachment = 2] o2mj_3.jpg [/ attachment][attachment=0:3m0ydzp8]Michael O2.jpg[/attachment:3m0ydzp8][attachment=1:3m0ydzp8]Michael O2.2.jpg[/attachment:3m0ydzp8]
those were great pictures showing him moving into the light...I was looking for those...Good find! I agree with your post too. Not to mention in TII he was not dancing at full strength and the dancers said he was telling them to "conserve" themselves too.
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We follow with the comparisons ..... : Roll:: roll:: roll:: roll:: roll: [attachment = 1] MichaelJacksonO2.jpg [/ attachment] [attachment = 1] MichaelJacksonO2.jpg [/ attachment]
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And now a small assembly ..... 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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And now a small assembly ..... 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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welcome to the club! LOL...great picture! I know how hard it is to find 2 pictures of him in the same pose...good job...MJ 100 percent!
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The question is not so much the point that Michael used doubles or stuntdoubles, for he did. Problem is that it is being tremendously exaggerated. Doubles DO look similar to the person they resemble, but not to the level that some people in here are suggesting.
Ditto.
His own his siblings looks nothing like him, but he did find a lot of random men that looks exactly like him? No way guys, even with surgeries you can't do that.
Breaking news...I found the O2 match guy! It was a sibling...It was Jermaine!
LOL omg this one will give me nightmares, I'm sure of it.
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And now a small assembly ..... 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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welcome to the club! LOL...great picture! I know how hard it is to find 2 pictures of him in the same pose...good job...MJ 100 percent!
Seriously! It's hard. I've tried without luck. Actually if I even used the pictures that you used I still wouldn't be able to cut them and rearrange them the way you guys do! .
I don't think people realize the hard work that it takes.
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brilliant postings - chocolate easter eggs around
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brilliant postings - chocolate Easter eggs around
I hope they are Cadbury chocolate Easter eggs...those are my favorite! I think I have gone thru 2 packages of them already! YUM!!! LOL
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You can fake scars. :roll:
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to lighten the thread
watch this
[youtube:2gmpd0zc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4gfQDDw4F8[/youtube:2gmpd0zc]
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
The best post of all this thread!
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Come on guys! Please stop arguing. I posted this in hopes for clearing up that "issue" but seems like people still want it to be a double. I believe it was MJ at 02. I respect people who believe the opposite, but seriously! if it was a double, it's none of our business! it was probably done for MJ's benefit. And as for the "theres a real michael and fake michael at the 02" .. give me a break! what do pictures tell us? it shows michael, just in different lighting, angles, make up. Come on guys, open your eyes please.
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Come on guys! Please stop arguing. I posted this in hopes for clearing up that "issue" but seems like people still want it to be a double. I believe it was MJ at 02. I respect people who believe the opposite, but seriously! if it was a double, it's none of our business! it was probably done for MJ's benefit. And as for the "theres a real michael and fake michael at the 02" .. give me a break! what do pictures tell us? it shows michael, just in different lighting, angles, make up. Come on guys, open your eyes please.
yeh, the real Michael and Fake Michael at the O2 is even better... if anyone happend to walk by them together, they would just face eachother and MJ would pretend he was touching up his powder in the "mirror"... No one would ever suspect a thing!
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Come on guys! Please stop arguing. I posted this in hopes for clearing up that "issue" but seems like people still want it to be a double. I believe it was MJ at 02. I respect people who believe the opposite, but seriously! if it was a double, it's none of our business! it was probably done for MJ's benefit. And as for the "theres a real michael and fake michael at the 02" .. give me a break! what do pictures tell us? it shows michael, just in different lighting, angles, make up. Come on guys, open your eyes please.
yeh, the real Michael and Fake Michael at the O2 is even better... if anyone happend to walk by them together, they would just face eachother and MJ would pretend he was touching up his powder in the "mirror"... No one would ever suspect a thing!
:lol:
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It is 100 percent certain that the O2 MJ is the REAL MJ.. the evidence here proves it. It is undesputable and the evidence to say it wasnt him does not stand up.
I dont have to apologise to Michael for knowing that... my mind has always been open and thats why i am on this journey. I know what i see and i know truth when i see it.
I think it is actually an insult to Michael to believe he would send doubles up on stage in placement of him.
Think about it.. why would Michael do that anyway? Why would he let someone else stand up on stage and take all the adulation and glory and love??... thats Michaels glory and he worked for it. I dont think he would put a double on stage and let him take that from him.
I also know Michael wouldnt trick his fans like that.. he wasnt a malicious man. Michael knew those people had queued for days to be near the stage just to see him for a few minutes. He wouldnt trick his fans like that.. he loved them more, remember?
I know Michael when i see him.. i know good evidence and good research when i see it.
I think its an insult to Michael to say it wasnt him, to be honest.
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I'm still on the fence but, with respect, no-one knows what Michael would or wouldn't do.
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It is 100 percent certain that the O2 MJ is the REAL MJ.. the evidence here proves it. It is undesputable and the evidence to say it wasnt him does not stand up.
I dont have to apologise to Michael for knowing that... my mind has always been open and thats why i am on this journey. I know what i see and i know truth when i see it.
I think it is actually an insult to Michael to believe he would send doubles up on stage in placement of him.
Think about it.. why would Michael do that anyway? Why would he let someone else stand up on stage and take all the adulation and glory and love??... thats Michaels glory and he worked for it. I dont think he would put a double on stage and let him take that from him.
I also know Michael wouldnt trick his fans like that.. he wasnt a malicious man. Michael knew those people had queued for days to be near the stage just to see him for a few minutes. He wouldnt trick his fans like that.. he loved them more, remember?
I know Michael when i see him.. i know good evidence and good research when i see it.
I think its an insult to Michael to say it wasnt him, to be honest.
Oh reallllllly? Well let's see what happens.... I would be careful with the 100%.
And please don't think for him, I think he's very capable of doing that himself.
I am not going to argue again, I have shared my opinion and I stick with it. There is no proof in this thread that O2 dude was Mike, nor is there proof it wasn't him.
And to be honest, I think it's an insult to Mike to say it was him, the dude freaked me out.
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Think about it.. why would Michael do that anyway? Why would he let someone else stand up on stage and take all the adulation and glory and love??...
Well THAT'S the $64.000 question! I have given a few reasons for that before, and I'm tired of repeating myself. If you chose not to ask yourself WHY, then you are missing a whole lot, maybe even the most important reason for this entire hoax.
I also know Michael wouldnt trick his fans like that.. he wasnt a malicious man. Michael knew those people had queued for days to be near the stage just to see him for a few minutes. He wouldnt trick his fans like that.. he loved them more, remember?
You only THINK you know him... Remember: "DISCOVER THE MAN YOU NEVER KNEW".
I know Michael when i see him..
Well, apparently you don't.
I think its an insult to Michael to say it wasnt him, to be honest.
And I think it's an insult to say that O2 dude IS Mike, because that dude has nothing to do with Mike at all.
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THE BEST WAY TO PROTECT "THE REAL DEAL" IS TO PLANT COPIES EVERYWHERE.
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We are all free-thinking people, with our own opinions, as is our right. We can all agree to disagree, can't we? Peace and harmony. One Love.
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I'm still on the fence but, with respect, no-one knows what Michael would or wouldn't do.
Knowing what i know of Michael, i can make a pretty good prediction on this one.
He didnt let his fans down.
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I'm still on the fence but, with respect, no-one knows what Michael would or wouldn't do.
Knowing what i know of Michael, i can make a pretty good prediction on this one.
He didnt let his fans down.
:lol:
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This is becoming a bit ridiculous.
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I'm still on the fence but, with respect, no-one knows what Michael would or wouldn't do.
Knowing what i know of Michael, i can make a pretty good prediction on this one.
He didnt let his fans down.
Possibly that is why a double may have been used so as not to let the fans down.
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I'm still on the fence but, with respect, no-one knows what Michael would or wouldn't do.
Knowing what i know of Michael, i can make a pretty good prediction on this one.
Haven't you learned ANYTHING these past nine months..? Get rid of your emotional barrier, get rid of Mike's PR persona, and start paying attention.
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This is becoming a bit ridiculous.
This is the only time in this thread I have to agree with you, it IS getting ridiculous.
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im not responding to this thread anymore if its resulting in people putting :lol: next to peoples opinions.
Laugh all you want. Go ahead.
You're right, im wrong... believe that if it makes you feel better about yourselves.
Ive never insulted you or laughed at any of your views. But it seems fine to do that to me. Good.
Its not Michaels PR persona.. give me some credit. I have followed Michaels career since the 80's.
I know his musical career and his private one.. the charities, the caring, the giving, etc..... i know someones heart when i see it.
Ive researched beyond research... i know the score.
I also know a honest, caring man when i see it. I see a perfectionist who cares about his fans and cares about not tricking them.
Remember the tour he did with the Jacksons when he found out fans were being tricked into sending money in the post and not being gauranteed tickets? He was furious and put a stop to it and donated his earnings to charity.
Thats the man he was and he never changed... he cared about his fans and he wanted the best for them.
He loved them more.
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im not responding to this thread anymore if its resulting in people putting :lol: next to peoples opinions.
Laugh all you want. Go ahead.
You're right, im wrong... believe that if it makes you feel better about yourselves.
Ive never insulted you or laughed at any of your views. But it seems fine to do that to me. Good.
Its not Michaels PR persona.. give me some credit. I have followed Michaels career since the 80's.
I know his musical career and his private one.. the charities, the caring, the giving, etc..... i know someones heart when i see it.
Ive researched beyond research... i know the score.
I also know a honest, caring man when i see it. I see a perfectionist who cares about his fans and cares about not tricking them.
Remember the tour he did with the Jacksons when he found out fans were being tricked into sending money in the post and not being gauranteed tickets? He was furious and put a stop to it and donated his earnings to charity.
Thats the man he was and he never changed... he cared about his fans and he wanted the best for them.
He loved them more.
I thought that smiley was for my comment, however, its not something to get too upset about - its all only a matter of opinion, nothing is set in stone, nor will it be until MJ says so.
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LOVE all those pictures of Michael!!!
And that is all iam saying :)
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There is no proof in this thread that O2 dude was Mike, nor is there proof it wasn't him. (...) And to be honest, I think it's an insult to Mike to say it was him, the dude freaked me out.[/color]
If that is an insult, saying it´s not him and that he freaks anyone out, if it´s him, would be also an insult.
As far as MJ loves illusion, I don´t think that believing neither of them would be an insult.
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As long as people do not have 100% proof that someone is NOT Michael, they should remain silent with their accusations since these are insulting to both Michael and many fans. Especially remarks such as name calling, or "freaks me out" are highly insulting.
So as long as you don't have any hard proof, please refrain from accusations that it isn't him in any occasion. It is similar to publically spreading doubts that he supposedly is a pedophile and then have others proof he isn't.
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Haven't you learned ANYTHING these past nine months..? Get rid of your emotional barrier, get rid of Mike's PR persona, and start paying attention.
What emotional barrier?
People here are not saying "I feel that it was him".
People would accept it´s not him, no big deal with feelings.
START PAYING ATTENTION?
What have we being doing all this time?
People here knows media lies.
Why do you think it´s so important this fact to realize something we already know (that everybody lies)?
Why do you say there´s no proof on whether he was him or not, and that you´re done with this, but keep on?
Sorry I don´t understand all of this and, yes, it´s a little ridiculous.
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Dancingthedream...what you said up above about MJ is true.
This is what I know:
1: MJ used decoys...He would send someone out who looked like him, to trick the "MEDIA" and fans who were out of control so he could make a safe get-away. This is when safety is a concern or when he wanted to go someplace or leave someplace private, this person could look a lot like him (Navi for example) or not so much...(his huge English body guard who told that funny story of MJ wanting him to dress in his clothes to be a decoy...LOL.
2: He would use a stand in for technical purposes...for correct lighting, camera angles...all things that took time. He could be off doing something else with his time.
3: He used stunt doubles when there were some action scenes he couldn't or didn't want to do. We saw this in TII.
4: in the video Who Is It...MJ used an impersonator to do the scenes where you don't see him close up because he was away and not able to participate in the shoot. The close ups of MJ singing are him. He was later quoted as hating that video...I wonder why...(don't bother telling me..I know why)
5: As far as using a double, impersonator, stunt double to stand in for him and speak for him and talk to the fans as him...this never happened in MJ's history. (Don't show me that clip of Navi talking about being MJ's "official double" wearing a mask and showing how he did it and interacting with the "fans"...that was the filmmakers who asked him to do and show that, not MJ)
Now, Mo you said Get rid of your emotional barrier, get rid of Mike's PR persona, and start paying attention.
You and Souza are the ones using the excuse that it wasn't MJ because MJ wouldn't "act like that" or "look like that" You are the ones basing your opinion on past "PR persona." As far as emotional barrier...I don't understand how that comes in to play? I don't think we have enough knowledge about each other to judge if emotions are blinding us or not. I for one have an emotion about MJ...and I'm not gonna say it here...(think gold pants). For myself, I am critical of MJ's private life. I have said in the past that there is evidence he was a manipulator and his persona he shows the public is just that... a persona. My history of emotional thinking about MJ is limited to what I said above. I have NO PROBLEM entertaining the Idea that MJ was less than an angel or a saint. My attraction to his life, is like the attraction to a good mystery...I can't get enough...Just when you think you are on to something about MJ...you find something else. If it was not MJ at the O2...I would have NO PROBLEM saying it...and here is a pic for you all to enjoy...here is a screen capture from the making of In the Closet...you can see a "stand in/double" doing MJ's part. MJ is the red shoulder in the frame.
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Haven't you learned ANYTHING these past nine months..? Get rid of your emotional barrier, get rid of Mike's PR persona, and start paying attention.
What emotional barrier?
People here are not saying "I feel that it was him".
People would accept it´s not him, no big deal with feelings.
START PAYING ATTENTION?
What have we being doing all this time?
People here knows media lies.
Why do you think it´s so important this fact to realize something we already know (that everybody lies)?
Why do you say there´s no proof on whether he was him or not, and that you´re done with this, but keep on?
Sorry I don´t understand all of this and, yes, it´s a little ridiculous.
somekindofsign, it's obvious that you don't understand a thing about what I wrote, otherwise you would not come up with a reply like this.
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As long as people do not have 100% proof that someone is NOT Michael, they should remain silent with their accusations since these are insulting to both Michael and many fans. Especially remarks such as name calling, or "freaks me out" are highly insulting.
So as long as you don't have any hard proof, please refrain from accusations that it isn't him in any occasion. It is similar to publically spreading doubts that he supposedly is a pedophile and then have others proof he isn't.
Well said!!! Same goes for what "somekindofsign" said as well
There is NO proof that O2 was NOT Michael. I personally dont need proof. I know in my heart.
I think we need to step back and take some deep breathes. Just because we dont have proof doesnt mean it isnt so...
Ie: Miracle on 34th Street Movie (re-make) the judge is given a $1 american bill with "In God We Trust" put on it. If the government can back up a claim we cannot see, touch etc then why argue? Iam not going to get into a debate on god or any religions etc however i think we should all LEAVE THIS ALONE
Enough with trying to annalize the hell out of it and just let it be!!!!
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You and Souza are the ones using the excuse that it wasn't MJ because MJ wouldn't "act like that" or "look like that" You are the ones basing your opinion on past "PR persona."
NEVER EVER, PERIOD. It's time you start reading what we write.
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Don´t know if it obvious. Maybe.
Can you please help to see what I don´t understand?
I´m always opened to be corrected.
As I said:
Sorry I don´t understand all of this ...
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I like the way people dare to say that we as fans, can't see things clearly because our "emotional barriers", yet you deny the facts exposed in this thread saying "he looks nothing like Michael, the guy freak me out"... Is that the best you have got? Really?.
Please, instead being arrogant laughing at members, and assuming "we are not learning anything", would you mind come up with one good proof or explanation that support your statements?. Just one. "He doesn't look like Michael" is not working, that's not enough, and you know it.
Oh, and this thread doesn't proof anything, but a whole thread about trash cans (just to mention one) does it? :roll: ...
The proofs are out there: accept them, or stay in denial. It's up to you.
Peace.
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mykidsmum wrote:
You and Souza are the ones using the excuse that it wasn't MJ because MJ wouldn't "act like that" or "look like that" You are the ones basing your opinion on past "PR persona."
NEVER EVER, PERIOD. It's time you start reading what we write.
Why is believing MJ was not at the announcement of his own concerts too difficult to believe?
Because O2 dude DOES NOT LOOK LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON....
I do read what you write and this IS what you said....
Sometimes when people have a theory, they only seek and see information that fits and does not DIS-prove their theory. Often they are unable or UNWILLING to see information that goes against what they are looking for. The PROOF could be staring them in the face, but if it does not go along with what they are trying to prove, they will avoid, not see, deny it and project their own blindness onto others and accuse others of not seeing the bigger picture. Since I have no big theory I am trying to "wake up" the world to, it's not me...don't worry, this happens in scientific research and criminal investigations all the time...scientific biased.
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mykidsmum wrote:
You and Souza are the ones using the excuse that it wasn't MJ because MJ wouldn't "act like that" or "look like that" You are the ones basing your opinion on past "PR persona."
NEVER EVER, PERIOD. It's time you start reading what we write.
For cryin' out loud: I am the one who wrote that, not Souza!!!
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/post_mo.jpg)
This perfectly proves that you do not READ what we write, and you even changed my nick into Souza's!
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divided we rule
there are other battles that need to be fought
is this so important
can we agree to disagree
or are we loving it!
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divided we rule
there are other battles that need to be fought
is this so important
can we agree to disagree
or are we loving it!
As far as I'm concerned there's no fight, but I do not like snipers...
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Interesting to see that everyone can be bashed according to some:
Kenny Ortega
Jermaine
La Toya
Karen Faye
etc.
But nothing can be said about Mike (O2 dude). I guess he's the only one with feelings and can be insulted.
This thread is going in circles for pages already and it's time to close this. I guess time will tell.