Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: mjkate on March 15, 2010, 09:11:14 PM
-
Please see this video with Aphrodite Jones. She says that the autopsy said michael had bedsores from being in bed for so long recovering from the 2005 trial. Does anybody know anything about that. Was there a previous thread. I did hear that news at the beginning from Arnold Klein actually and didn't hear it again until now. The bedsore story was one of the reasons I first started to believe the hoax. I thought that the autopsy must have been done on an ill and bedridden patient. CAn anyone shed light on bedsores -can someone who isn't bedridden suffer from them?
-
http://investigation.discovery.com/vide ... -hear.html (http://investigation.discovery.com/videos/the-michael-jackson-conspiracy-what-you-didnt-hear.html)
Sorry i forgot to post the link to the Jones video - see above
-
Please see this video with Aphrodite Jones. She says that the autopsy said michael had bedsores from being in bed for so long recovering from the 2005 trial. Does anybody know anything about that. Was there a previous thread. I did hear that news at the beginning from Arnold Klein actually and didn't hear it again until now. The bedsore story was one of the reasons I first started to believe the hoax. I thought that the autopsy must have been done on an ill and bedridden patient. CAn anyone shed light on bedsores -can someone who isn't bedridden suffer from them?
No you cannot have bedsores if you're not bedridden. I used to work at a nursing home and a resident would have to be in the same position for weeks with very little movement to develop bed sores.
-
Thank you so much for your reply! So then why did Arnie Klein mention them and why is Aphrodite saying that the autopsy said that. The MJ we saw performing couldn't have had bedsores!!?? So who had the bedsores.
-
I really like Aphrodite. You can tell that she speaks with conviction from the heart. It really saddens me what he had to go through. God bless people like Aphrodite who are willing to speak up and tell the truth.
-
Please see this video with Aphrodite Jones. She says that the autopsy said michael had bedsores from being in bed for so long recovering from the 2005 trial. Does anybody know anything about that. Was there a previous thread. I did hear that news at the beginning from Arnold Klein actually and didn't hear it again until now. The bedsore story was one of the reasons I first started to believe the hoax. I thought that the autopsy must have been done on an ill and bedridden patient. CAn anyone shed light on bedsores -can someone who isn't bedridden suffer from them?
HI. What the other person said about taking weeks to get bed sores is not accurate. There are variables. Nutrition plays a part in the skins condition, age, hydration, habits, etc...It does not takes weeks of sitting or laying in the same position. In my state it's required that patients be turned every two hours. Think about it. Every two hours. They might take weeks to get septic, but the onset doesn't. Depending on the condition of the patient to begin with, once the sores reach septic the situation is not pretty. Then the goop and powder they recommend be put on these sores, in my opinion is ridiculous, as the air can get at the sore. Proper air is required. But that's another story. I didn't see anything in the autopsy about bed sores. But I might have missed it. I DID see a mention near the beginning of the report about perimortem abrasions and they noted beads were on the bed. Perimortem is near or at the time of death. Maybe that's what she is talking about. People of all ages can get what appears to be healed abrasions from sitting too much and/or not enough air in a given area can cause discoloration. The latter is common in obese people. And again, nutrition and exercise is important. Such marks can go away. Although I don't see it going away much in older folks. Michael no doubt spent time in bed and a wheel chair. He may have had some marks left over - healed, but marks there. With his recent activity, that may have gone away in time, with proper nutrition and the application of certain oils. I noticed when Aphrodite talked about bed sores too. I think she was refering to the abrasions noted in the autopsy. P.S. People that sit at their desk or computer in a stationary postion for weeks on end might not get full blown sores, but can and do get bad looking marks.
-
I have beLIEved for a long time that Aphrodite is on MJ's team. She is playing a role. Her preview clips are most interesting. Her article on Dr. Murray is, too. Especially when she says "isn't what we all want is to bring Michael back?" "What would be the best possible outcome of the trial?"
I believe Aphrodite has definitely been hired by Michael's PR team to play a role. She loves MJ after realizing what a beautiful innocent soul he is. I guess Michael can't come back until after her show airs regarding him on April 29th which kinda disappoints me because I really thought Michael would show up at court on April 5th as the key defense witness....anyway, can't get ahead of his genius! But what she says about "the best possible outcome of the trial, and isn't what we really all want is to bring Michael back" is very, very interesting indeed. :D :D :D
-
I don't really agree with you simplyme. I'm a nurse and I know a patient can get a bedsore in a few days from lying in one position without being turned. Every 2 hours is correct. But I really find it hard to believe MJ would have bedsores. A person who is active and up and walking around wouldn't be COVERED with them! I also remember reading an article without a doubt, that Michael had bedsores. I can't remember where I read it. Does anyone else remember this article?
-
Please see this video with Aphrodite Jones. She says that the autopsy said michael had bedsores from being in bed for so long recovering from the 2005 trial. Does anybody know anything about that. Was there a previous thread. I did hear that news at the beginning from Arnold Klein actually and didn't hear it again until now. The bedsore story was one of the reasons I first started to believe the hoax. I thought that the autopsy must have been done on an ill and bedridden patient. CAn anyone shed light on bedsores -can someone who isn't bedridden suffer from them?
HI. What the other person said about taking weeks to get bed sores is not accurate. There are variables. Nutrition plays a part in the skins condition, age, hydration, habits, etc...It does not takes weeks of sitting or laying in the same position. In my state it's required that patients be turned every two hours. Think about it. Every two hours. They might take weeks to get septic, but the onset doesn't. Depending on the condition of the patient to begin with, once the sores reach septic the situation is not pretty. Then the goop and powder they recommend be put on these sores, in my opinion is ridiculous, as the air can get at the sore. Proper air is required. But that's another story. I didn't see anything in the autopsy about bed sores. But I might have missed it. I DID see a mention near the beginning of the report about perimortem abrasions and they noted beads were on the bed. Perimortem is near or at the time of death. Maybe that's what she is talking about. People of all ages can get what appears to be healed abrasions from sitting too much and/or not enough air in a given area can cause discoloration. The latter is common in obese people. And again, nutrition and exercise is important. Such marks can go away. Although I don't see it going away much in older folks. Michael no doubt spent time in bed and a wheel chair. He may have had some marks left over - healed, but marks there. With his recent activity, that may have gone away in time, with proper nutrition and the application of certain oils. I noticed when Aphrodite talked about bed sores too. I think she was refering to the abrasions noted in the autopsy. P.S. People that sit at their desk or computer in a stationary postion for weeks on end might not get full blown sores, but can and do get bad looking marks.
When they say that they have to be turned every two hours, they're trying to be safe because the elderly have thinner skin and are more sensitive to bruising.
Michael may have had "marks", but to develop "bedsores", in my experience does take a while. And there was almost no one in the entire nursing home where I worked who could walk without assistance. Most were in wheelchairs, some were bedridden and rarely did we have a "bedsore" problem because the nurses were constantly turning them. Keeping this in mind, you have to remember that Michael was fully capable of walking... If we are to believe that was him in This Is It, he was capable of standing for long periods of time and capable dancing. I'm sorry, but if elderly patients who couldn't walk who had nurses caring for them didn't develop bedsores, then there is no way that Michael Jackson, an able-bodied 50 year-old with staff to assist him, would have bedsores.
-
Please see this video with Aphrodite Jones. She says that the autopsy said michael had bedsores from being in bed for so long recovering from the 2005 trial. Does anybody know anything about that. Was there a previous thread. I did hear that news at the beginning from Arnold Klein actually and didn't hear it again until now. The bedsore story was one of the reasons I first started to believe the hoax. I thought that the autopsy must have been done on an ill and bedridden patient. CAn anyone shed light on bedsores -can someone who isn't bedridden suffer from them?
i thought that when i saw the bed that one flattened side ... it reminded me of a bed ridden person living at home. bed ridden ppl usually cant move around on there own. they can't feel/do anything about that prickly feeling most get when they body is uncomfortable... :geek:
-
I remember hearing a few people in the medical profession say that what they saw when they saw MJ's bedroom was a hospital like room. All the medical supplies and the oxygen tanks the personal doctor, the bedsores...it's either all an illusion or someone was bedridden or close to it in that house. The article where I first saw the bedsores mentioned was right after June 25th and it was mentioned by Arnie Klein. He said they were from all the time he had spent in bed following the trial. I thought that was strange at the time because the period following the trial was 2005 and 2006 so they should have been healed up by now and Arnie would have known it was a foolish thing to say. It was nothing to do with the autopsy either it was well before any of that came out so Arnie would not have been referring to the indents from the beads or whatever that was because he had seen the sore before the 25th.
-
I remember hearing a few people in the medical profession say that what they saw when they saw MJ's bedroom was a hospital like room. All the medical supplies and the oxygen tanks the personal doctor, the bedsores...it's either all an illusion or someone was bedridden or close to it in that house. The article where I first saw the bedsores mentioned was right after June 25th and it was mentioned by Arnie Klein. He said they were from all the time he had spent in bed following the trial. I thought that was strange at the time because the period following the trial was 2005 and 2006 so they should have been healed up by now and Arnie would have known it was a foolish thing to say. It was nothing to do with the autopsy either it was well before any of that came out so Arnie would not have been referring to the indents from the beads or whatever that was because he had seen the sore before the 25th.
all able bodied ppl toss n turn in bed as the natural reaction from the body automatically causes them to shift around. depressed people stay in bed alot because of a mental issue, not a physical issue. bedsores are due to a physical issue. if Jackson was depressed and stayed in bed alot, he still would not get bedsores. maybe skin issues due to poor sunlight or something, but not bedsores sorry
-
I remember hearing a few people in the medical profession say that what they saw when they saw MJ's bedroom was a hospital like room. All the medical supplies and the oxygen tanks the personal doctor, the bedsores...it's either all an illusion or someone was bedridden or close to it in that house. The article where I first saw the bedsores mentioned was right after June 25th and it was mentioned by Arnie Klein. He said they were from all the time he had spent in bed following the trial. I thought that was strange at the time because the period following the trial was 2005 and 2006 so they should have been healed up by now and Arnie would have known it was a foolish thing to say. It was nothing to do with the autopsy either it was well before any of that came out so Arnie would not have been referring to the indents from the beads or whatever that was because he had seen the sore before the 25th.
Maybe the bedridden person was someone other than Michael Jackson.
-
I remember hearing a few people in the medical profession say that what they saw when they saw MJ's bedroom was a hospital like room. All the medical supplies and the oxygen tanks the personal doctor, the bedsores...it's either all an illusion or someone was bedridden or close to it in that house. The article where I first saw the bedsores mentioned was right after June 25th and it was mentioned by Arnie Klein. He said they were from all the time he had spent in bed following the trial. I thought that was strange at the time because the period following the trial was 2005 and 2006 so they should have been healed up by now and Arnie would have known it was a foolish thing to say. It was nothing to do with the autopsy either it was well before any of that came out so Arnie would not have been referring to the indents from the beads or whatever that was because he had seen the sore before the 25th.
Maybe the bedridden person was someone other than Michael Jackson.
;)
-
I don't really agree with you simplyme. I'm a nurse and I know a patient can get a bedsore in a few days from lying in one position without being turned. Every 2 hours is correct. But I really find it hard to believe MJ would have bedsores. A person who is active and up and walking around wouldn't be COVERED with them! I also remember reading an article without a doubt, that Michael had bedsores. I can't remember where I read it. Does anyone else remember this article?
If he was under the influence of substances like propofol during the night he would not have natural turning around but was laying motionless for several hours.
-
I don't really agree with you simplyme. I'm a nurse and I know a patient can get a bedsore in a few days from lying in one position without being turned. Every 2 hours is correct. But I really find it hard to believe MJ would have bedsores. A person who is active and up and walking around wouldn't be COVERED with them! I also remember reading an article without a doubt, that Michael had bedsores. I can't remember where I read it. Does anyone else remember this article?
If he was under the influence of substances like propofol during the night he would not have natural turning around but was laying motionless for several hours.
:lol: :lol: ghetto me: :lol: well apparently he kept gettin up even with propo if that ni**a would not stay sleep :lol: :lol: 8-)
excuse my ghetto mouth
-
I don't really agree with you simplyme. I'm a nurse and I know a patient can get a bedsore in a few days from lying in one position without being turned. Every 2 hours is correct. But I really find it hard to believe MJ would have bedsores. A person who is active and up and walking around wouldn't be COVERED with them! I also remember reading an article without a doubt, that Michael had bedsores. I can't remember where I read it. Does anyone else remember this article?
If he was under the influence of substances like propofol during the night he would not have natural turning around but was laying motionless for several hours.
:lol: :lol: ghetto me: :lol: well apparently he kept gettin up even with propo if that ni**a would not stay sleep :lol: :lol: 8-)
excuse my ghetto mouth
I beg you pardon??
-
I don't really agree with you simplyme. I'm a nurse and I know a patient can get a bedsore in a few days from lying in one position without being turned. Every 2 hours is correct. But I really find it hard to believe MJ would have bedsores. A person who is active and up and walking around wouldn't be COVERED with them! I also remember reading an article without a doubt, that Michael had bedsores. I can't remember where I read it. Does anyone else remember this article?
If he was under the influence of substances like propofol during the night he would not have natural turning around but was laying motionless for several hours.
:lol: :lol: ghetto me: :lol: well apparently he kept gettin up even with propo if that ni**a would not stay sleep :lol: :lol: 8-)
excuse my ghetto mouth
I beg you pardon??
forget it. my apologies
-
just my 2 cents!!
Michael going off what i've read and seen is a very clever man.. therefore IMO he would know the risks of pressure sores from being sedated or whatever you wanna call it.. and staying in the same position.. plus i think this would have been discussed with him anyway (if this is the case) hence i think he would of had the proper matresses etc to reduce this.. and he had a good diet according to people so nutrition shouldn't have been an issue
they are painful and nasty once they reach a certain stage before they get to bad and the skin dies.. seen it a few times.. oh and they STINK at this point rotting flesh..
so unless he was superman i don't think this is fesable.. going off his dancing and stuff in TII.. and i still don't think there were doubles.. except in SC ;)
-
Please see this video with Aphrodite Jones. She says that the autopsy said michael had bedsores from being in bed for so long recovering from the 2005 trial. Does anybody know anything about that. Was there a previous thread. I did hear that news at the beginning from Arnold Klein actually and didn't hear it again until now. The bedsore story was one of the reasons I first started to believe the hoax. I thought that the autopsy must have been done on an ill and bedridden patient. CAn anyone shed light on bedsores -can someone who isn't bedridden suffer from them?
One would have to be unable to move to develop a bedsore. And depending on the individual's nutritional state, age, quality of skin etc. would determine how quickly a sore would develop.
-
I don't really agree with you simplyme. I'm a nurse and I know a patient can get a bedsore in a few days from lying in one position without being turned. Every 2 hours is correct. But I really find it hard to believe MJ would have bedsores. A person who is active and up and walking around wouldn't be COVERED with them! I also remember reading an article without a doubt, that Michael had bedsores. I can't remember where I read it. Does anyone else remember this article?
I don't think I said he had bed sores [don't have time right now to read the post over] but more than one person has commented so I'll write this. I'm not saying he necessarily had bed sores but maybe some old marks from previously being in bed and the wheel chair and that if he had old marks they could go away with some care given to them. I commented that bedsores don't takes weeks to develop and I think what Aphrodite was talking about in the autopsy was the perimortem abrasions. That's the upshot of what I remember writing - not that he had bedsores. LPN/LMP
-
Don't forget, If he truly suffered from Lupus here are some of the symptoms. May not have been bed sores -but skin problems from the Lupus:
Skin problems: Most people with lupus develop skin rashes. These rashes are often an important clue to the diagnosis. In addition to the butterfly rash over the cheeks and bridge of the nose, other common skin symptoms include skin sores or flaky red spots on the arms, hands, face, neck, or back; mouth or lip sores; and a scaly, red or purple raised rash on the face, neck, scalp, ears, arms, and chest.
-
Don't forget, If he truly suffered from Lupus here are some of the symptoms. May not have been bed sores -but skin problems from the Lupus:
Skin problems: Most people with lupus develop skin rashes. These rashes are often an important clue to the diagnosis. In addition to the butterfly rash over the cheeks and bridge of the nose, other common skin symptoms include skin sores or flaky red spots on the arms, hands, face, neck, or back; mouth or lip sores; and a scaly, red or purple raised rash on the face, neck, scalp, ears, arms, and chest.
You beat me to it!
I was going to ask if his having lupus could have either accelerated the rate at which he could develop bed sores, or if he could have developed some other type of sores?
-
Don't forget, If he truly suffered from Lupus here are some of the symptoms. May not have been bed sores -but skin problems from the Lupus:
Skin problems: Most people with lupus develop skin rashes. These rashes are often an important clue to the diagnosis. In addition to the butterfly rash over the cheeks and bridge of the nose, other common skin symptoms include skin sores or flaky red spots on the arms, hands, face, neck, or back; mouth or lip sores; and a scaly, red or purple raised rash on the face, neck, scalp, ears, arms, and chest.
You beat me to it!
I was going to ask if his having lupus could have either accelerated the rate at which he could develop bed sores, or if he could have developed some other type of sores?
bed sores are not on the superficial layer of skin as would be the ailments mentioned. bedsores are from the deteriorating tissue underneath the skin. it is from the weight of the body putting too much pressure on certain spots.
-
What page of the report mentions the bed sores? I must have missed it. What exactly does it say?
-
Don't forget he used to wear condom catheters to when he was under propofol...maybe the urine dripped towards the his back and he got sores that way? But the motionless would have to be for a number of days not hours.
-
I heard he had a skin infection which is different from bedsores ,it is probably a thing called "cellulitis " and not the kind on your butt " I had it myself ,it is a form of a staff infection ,and requires IV antibiotics and is reacurring .I got it 3 times and was hospitalized for days . It is most common on extremities or your face and is highly contagious as it is a form of staff infection .
-
I heard he had a skin infection which is different from bedsores ,it is probably a thing called "cellulitis " and not the kind on your butt " I had it myself ,it is a form of a staff infection ,and requires IV antibiotics and is reacurring .I got it 3 times and was hospitalized for days . It is most common on extremities or your face and is highly contagious as it is a form of staff infection .
Actually at one time he had a very bad bacterial infection on his right leg, causing an awful wound. On the autopsy it is not recognised as a scar though, just a heavily pigmented area strangely enough.
-
poor michael..all the suffering he had to deal with :(
-
What is all this about? The autopsy report simply doesnt mention any bedsores...unless sbdy tells me on which pages it states he had bedsores, that s all BS to me. I read the report 3 times carefully and didnt see any mention of that
i knew someone who was bedridden most of her life and never heard u get bedsores over a night. If so all office clercks sitting 8 hours on their a** would be full of them
-
Nowhere in the autopsy report does it state bedsores, people.... :?
-
If you listen to the link at the beginning Aphrodite is the one that mentions that "apparently the autopsy said that he had bedsores. She could be referring to those indents they were referring to in the autopsy or she simply could know some inside info as maybe not all of the autopsy information was recorded or made public. They didn't mention the pepsi scar so they may not have mentioned the bedsores either. Also Arnie Klein mentioned that he had seen them as well when he was asked if he had seen the needle marks. It's not often that we hear people closer to the situation than we are speak so I perk up when they throw out any little thing that may help us.
-
First time hearing about the bed sores.
I didn't read ALL the comment and
maybe someone already mentioned this...
Are they sure it wasn't the spider bite on his leg?? (really nasty)
That's what Klein said it was after the pics of it surfaced.
You know... why Mike tried to call in that day. The day
he showed up to court in his PJs. :?: :?
-
If MJ ever had bed sores he must have been: 1)very sick or 2) sedated for a long period of time to develop them. Plus, he must not have had the care he deserved because if he had, someone should have been repositioning him regularly to prevent them.
I still have my doubts about this story.....but like anything it is difficult to know if it is fact or fiction.
-
Don't forget he used to wear condom catheters to when he was under propofol...maybe the urine dripped towards the his back and he got sores that way? But the motionless would have to be for a number of days not hours.
How can we forget something that we don´t KNOW.
Rememeber the difference between thinking, beliving, have been said, and know.
We KNOW very little, not even if he was ever under propofol or if Murray is a doctor or even exists with that name. You may see it clear, believe it, trust... but we don´t know.
I don´t believe nothing of this so details about the atopsy seems really boring and contradictory to me. The only thing that the autopsy says to me is:
"Look, the whole me is crap".
-
It's not so much about the autopsy at all - it's what Klein and Aphrodite said. These are two people who are very close the details of this case...they have more access than we do to the info that is "on the street". I am asking if we can all think about why they may have said what they did about the bedsores as everything that people who are close to this can be a clue. To me this could be a clue that the person with the bedsores that died was not mj because from what the medical people have said...it's unlikely that the mj we saw dancing around had bedsore... so it just makes you go hmmm why would Klein and Aphrodite say it. It's a really off the wall thing to make up and go on the record to say don't you think. It's certainly not something I expected to hear and it was one of the first reasons I started to believe it might not have been mj that died. I don't think we can dismiss anything lightly or we're not justice to this investigation.
-
I have beLIEved for a long time that Aphrodite is on MJ's team. She is playing a role. Her preview clips are most interesting. Her article on Dr. Murray is, too. Especially when she says "isn't what we all want is to bring Michael back?" "What would be the best possible outcome of the trial?"
I believe Aphrodite has definitely been hired by Michael's PR team to play a role. She loves MJ after realizing what a beautiful innocent soul he is. I guess Michael can't come back until after her show airs regarding him on April 29th which kinda disappoints me because I really thought Michael would show up at court on April 5th as the key defense witness....anyway, can't get ahead of his genius! But what she says about "the best possible outcome of the trial, and isn't what we really all want is to bring Michael back" is very, very interesting indeed. :D :D :D
The timing definately suits with a Murray trial in April and A.J. on tv April 29. It would make sense.
-
:o
This is great!
-
If, if, if, and if. He said, she said. Are there actual facts? We have become what we hate, "TABLOID". One Love.
-
This was an utterance of a "coroner official" whoever that might have been.
It is hear-say. "is believed to have developped" - that explains all. ;)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32542682/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32542682/)
[...Singer had bed sores
Besides the propofol and two sedatives, the coroner’s toxicology report found other substances in Jackson’s system but they were not believed to have been a factor in the singer’s death, the official told the AP.
When he died, Jackson was skinny but not overly emaciated, and his body had bed sores, the official said. The singer is believed to have developed bed sores in the months following his 2005 acquittal of child molestation charges, when he went into seclusion and spent long stretches in bed. ...]