Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => Updates & Posts by TS => Topic started by: TS on March 14, 2010, 06:44:16 AM
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TIAI Update #4d: 777 + 999 = Greatest Proof of Hoax, Not Murder
4-32. Would a “Death Hoax” Murder Plot Convince the Family???
If there was a conspiracy to murder MJ (and don’t get me wrong, that is a very real possibility): what would be the point in all the complexity, trying to make it look like MJ faked his death? Would they do all that, just to convince a few thousand hoax believers? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6929}
More and more MJ fans are now thinking maybe MJ was murdered (including former hoax believers); so I guess it didn’t work very well, if they were trying to convince all the fans that it was a death hoax.
But far more even than the fans, the murderers would need to shield themselves from detection by the family; because the family would be motivated to catch the murderers, as much or more than most fans. And in this case, several family members are already well known in the music industry (Jackson Five, Janet Jackson, etc). So as much or more than any other family, the murderers would want to avoid detection by the Jackson family—because they have the influence to do something about it.
Now get ready for the murder-theory destroying question: if they planned a murder to look like a hoax, what is the likelihood that they could http://succeed in convincing the http://family that MJ faked his death???????
The only way that a murder (made to look like a hoax) could work, is if the family was in on the murder plot—whether for money, or their own lives were threatened, or because they all hated him and wanted him dead, or something. I’m not trying to say that any of these things are true; but we are turning every stone, so to speak.
It is quite unlikely that even one family member would want MJ dead, much less the entire family. It is also unlikely that any family member could be bought with money to help in a murder plot; and again, certainly not the entire family. The threat of death is no doubt a stronger motivation than money; but true love is stronger than death—so if there’s even one family member that truly loves MJ, then the whole family could not be in on a murder plot.
Yet another problem is that we have Jermaine and others saying that they know all about it, and they are going to spill the beans. So I guess the huge, long-term, and very complicated plot to murder MJ and make it look like a hoax—it didn’t work! And they had to be planning it for many years: including the will dated 7-7-02, and the 1998 autographs (somehow they convinced or forced MJ to do this). All that ingenuity, and it failed!
Yet another problem is the many indications not only of the hoax, but also of the return and bam. Wouldn’t it be better to make it look like a hoax with no return, so that the hoax believers would not be expecting to see MJ again (then they could believe the hoax for decades, and not wonder what happened to MJ)? In fact, wouldn’t it be a whole lot easier to murder MJ with an entirely different plan—having nothing to do with a death hoax? They could make it look like an accident (car or airplane), or maybe a suicide; perhaps a “crazy” person could just shoot him (Lennon), etc.
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4-33. Does the NWO Promote the End of the World?
Clearly, the 911 call at 12:21 fits very well with the planned timing. So if it was really planned murder, and not a planned hoax: then the NWO conspiracy team decided to promote the end of the world concept, as part of the plan. Now it is quite understandable that MJ himself, who believes the Bible and knows it very well, it is easy to accept that he would want to warn about the end of the world.
But why would NWO murderers do that? They don’t believe in the end of the world soon, or ever for that matter; they don’t care about warning people to get ready, and they have no reason to promote such a message. If they thought that the current world would soon be destroyed, then they would not spend all the money and energy trying to set up their own world order!
Another point is that it’s very unlikely for NWO murderers to understand the Bible well enough to know about inclusive reckoning, and come up with the plan for 77 days and 7 days to 9-9-09 (inclusive). And MJ has not used inclusive reckoning publicly in the past; so they couldn’t merely watch how he operates, and then mimic him to make it look like he was behind the timing.
Last but not least: God would not cooperate in a NWO plot to murder MJ, and make it look like a hoax. But on 3-6-09 (immediately after the O2 press conference) God did step in and reverse the NWO plot to destroy the economy; with a low of 666, the fastest six-month rally in history started on 3-9-09 (and six months later was 9-9-09).
Although God would not be involved in a murder plot, it is quite likely that God would help in a plan to warn about the end of the world, to expose the NWO conspiracy, and to turn the NWO upside down (666 pyramid to 999). “The LORD ... relieveth the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.” (Psalm 146:9; see Isaiah 24:1; Acts 17:6).
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4-34. Is TIAI Part of a Murder Conspiracy?
This question has been asked {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=6345&start=0}; and there is nothing wrong with asking the question. We are all here to find out the truth about MJ; and if the truth is a huge murder plot, we all want to know it.
Even if MJ was murdered, that would not necessarily mean TIAI is part of a plot to cover it up. However, we have just seen loads of evidence that the murder (made to look like a hoax) theory is totally unrealistic. If nothing else, the family alone should prove that this theory doesn’t hold a drop of water. And if MJ was not murdered, then TIAI could not be part of a conspiracy to cover-up murder.
Furthermore, TIAI has worked hard to expose the NWO conspiracies and murders, etc {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}. So how’s that for a mind-warping theory: TIAI is part of a plan to hide the murderers—by exposing the murderers!
Nevertheless, if anyone still thinks that the murder theory is a realistic possibility, then please investigate it. I’m not trying to silence investigation about murder, or anything else. The truth has nothing to lose by close examination: the “truth will prevail”!
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4-35. TIAI Appeal to TINI Followers
For those who now recognize that the murder theory doesn’t hold any water: perhaps it’s time to stop looking for clues in every car that drives by, and every cloud in the sky. Yes, we should still be watching for any major developments; especially things that would help to convince non-believers. But the little clues are not needed anymore; they won’t help non-believers, and we don’t need them because we have plenty of evidence already.
So let’s start spending more time trying to reach ourselves and others with MJ’s message. I know that many have already tried to convince others, with little success; but the evidence is continually getting stronger (piece by piece, MJ is revealed).
Although there are many different ways to do this: one way is by going to (non-hoax) forums, and asking them to read this {Update #4, http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com}. If they are willing to read this, and still remain unconvinced, then probably nothing in the universe will convince them—at least not before bamsday. In fact, some won’t be convinced even after bamsday! Yes, they will say that it is a double; and the family knows it’s not the real MJ, but they are silenced by threats from those who murdered MJ.
To all those supporting the campaign at http://www.This-Is-Not-It.com (TINI): hoax believers and http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com (TIAI) have read your website, and understand your position. Have you read our material? Are you aware of the very strong evidence which goes against your position? Do you realize that you might be working against MJ and his message, even though no doubt your motives are to defend MJ? Please be informed, and don’t oppose our position without carefully examining it—that is what true investigation is all about.
As far as the reports about MJ’s failing health: we believe that this was an act, and all part of the plan to make it look like he died. MJ’s own brother said: “Michael was very, very healthy. He had passed a physicals for the show. ... He was very, very healthy ...” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs}. And MJ’s own physical trainer, Incredible Hulk star Lou Ferrigno, said three times in a row: “He was in great shape” {http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/mjs-trainer-he-could-still-walk-the-walk/}. We believe that these sources are as reliable as you can get.
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4-36. Hoax Objections Answered
Those who believe in the intentional murder theory, as well as those who believe the official story, have often given one or more of the following reasons against the hoax: there would be way too many people “in on it” (so surely someone would’ve let the cat out of the bag by now); or, many of the things that have happened would be illegal, if it was a hoax; or, the government would not be in on a plan to expose corruption in the government, etc.
First and most important: the intentional murder theory (designed to look like a fake death) would require as much or more people to be “in on it”, than the hoax theory (it even requires the family to be involved). And if it’s possible to get people involved in murder, for whatever reason (money, or power, or whatever): don’t you think it would be even easier to get people involved in a hoax?
Besides, the entire state of California is not in on the hoax. MJ has been planning this hoax for many years; and he had the time and influence to get a few key people in the right positions to pull it off—and yes, even government agencies still have some good people in them. Look at history: many times people in high positions have stood up against the corruption in their own system (government, or church, etc).
But MJ did not involve large quantities of people. In fact, the “three-way theory” is basically correct {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=5382&start=0}; this theory states that the fewer people “in on it”, the better (although more than three are actually involved, and the “three-way theory” does allow for more than three).
Also, as far as possible, legal loopholes were used. Nevertheless, with a hoax of this magnitude and importance: whether the line was ever crossed, between being inside or outside of legal loopholes, is a question that probably doesn’t even need to be answered.
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4-37. Hints on the “How’s” of the Hoax
In this update, I have gone into great detail about the timing of the hoax (as well as a few other aspects). Previously, I have gone into great detail about the reasons for the hoax {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}. That leaves only one frontier remaining: how did MJ succeed in pulling off this massive hoax?
I’m not going to go into great detail on that now, it would be very long—and this update is already the longest update by far. But I will give some hints, to help you go in the right direction if you want to investigate it further.
For starters, maybe it is time to create a sub-forum for Coherent Theories. By this, I mean theories that start putting all the pieces together, fitting into one bigger picture. But we can’t have MJ hopping on a plane at LAX, escaping out of a tunnel in the basement of UCLA, and riding alive in the helicopter to the coroner’s office, as well as in the other helicopter—all at the same time. This would not qualify as a coherent theory.
I think we already have a huge clue from Jermaine, telling us that MJ went to the “airport”—NOT the hospital. And in fact, it would’ve been very risky and unnecessary for him to ride alive in the ambulance to UCLA, and then go into UCLA where he could be easily recognized (and hard to play dead), and then try to escape somehow. What would be the point?
Based on the planned timing of the hoax, we should now be able to see very plainly that the living MJ body double theory doesn’t work. There is no chance that a living double just happened to die on the right year, the right day, and the right hour.
This leaves us with three possibilities. There was no body at all, which would require quite a few people to be “in on it”. There was a dummy, not a real human; this reduces the number of people “in on it”, and also makes it easy to duplicate the looks of MJ (but paramedics would need to be “in on it”, because they would not be fooled by a dummy). Or there was a real human corpse, which had recently died. In fact, at different times and places, there could’ve been more than one corpse and/or dummy used as needed.
Considering the corpse possibility: do you remember anything about the room being heated extra warm—in the summer of all times {http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/26/jackson-time-of-death-a-mystery/}? Maybe the room was heated to make the corpse feel warm, like it had just died. And do you remember the paramedics saying that MJ had been dead for more than an hour before they arrived—and also that they did not realize it was MJ, and thought it looked like an old man? {http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/27/paramedics-jackson-dead-when-we-arrived/; http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/; http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-jackson-the-911-call/}
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4-38. Only a Few Would Need to Be “In On It”
Let me also clue you in on a few tricks, so that only a relatively few people would need to be “in on it”. The endlessly discussed helicopter ride to the coroner: it could’ve had a living and/or a dead body in it, but not MJ; and yet none of the people in the copter, or working that situation, would’ve had any clue that MJ was alive.
All you would need to do is create a diversion for the media and public: the helicopter and all would be a big show for the media, while they transport the (supposedly) “real” MJ’s body in an unmarked vehicle—this would keep MJ’s body safer. And all the people “involved” in that diversion operation would play right along, and obey without question like good little boys and girls, thinking all the while that MJ’s dead body was being transported in some unmarked vehicle (and not even questioning whether or not MJ was actually dead). And even if they suspected later that MJ is alive, how would they know? They would not know, they would just suspect it (like hoax believers).
The fact that it’s a criminal case is another good alibi for secrecy and cover-up; this way, nobody thinks twice when they’re told not to talk about what they did or did not see at UCLA on June 25 (or other times and places).
Some have said that Forest Lawn (FL) would need to be in on the hoax; and maybe they are, but maybe not. If there was an actual dead body used during at least some of the process: then a dead body could’ve been at FL, even though it was not MJ. And sooner or later, the family could say: “We’ve decided to bury MJ somewhere else; but for privacy and security reasons, we want the public to think that he is buried here.”
They might even have FL sign confidentiality agreements, promising not to let anyone know that MJ was not buried at FL. Of course FL would still get paid, because the family did purchase space there {http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/us/04jackson.html}; and since FL got their money, they would not care where MJ was actually buried, and that would be the end of it—FL might never imagine that MJ is still alive.
Do I need to give any more hints? I think I’ve said enough already. Besides, you want some surprises left for after Bamsday, don’t you?
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4-39. Piece by Piece Return, Versus Bamsday
If you search through TIAI Revealed, Parts 1-9; and also TIAI Updates, #1 - #3, you will find that I repeatedly used the word “return”, but only used the word “bam” about six times—and when I did use “bam”, I was merely referring generally to the statement at the end of TII (but not discussing the meaning of “bam”, when or what it is about, etc). Also, I never once use the term “bamsday” (not until this update).
Since this update is about timing, the time has come for me to discuss the “bam”; and also the differences between the “return” and the “bam”. The “return” is a process, which can be short or long, depending on several factors; regardless of whether or not the return is short, the “bam” is very abrupt—and marks the end of the return process. The fact that “bam” is abrupt should be obvious—based on the word itself, based on MJ’s usage of the word in context, and based on the audio and visual imagery that is very abrupt on Jack5ons “coming soon” website {http://www.5brothersenterprises.com/}.
The return, on the other hand, is not necessarily abrupt. There are a few things in TII which indicate that the return might not be abrupt. During Light Man, it says: “... and piece by piece by piece by piece [return process], MJ is revealed, until he jumps out [bam!], and on Michael’s command, we begin.” {TII DVD, Main Movie, text from subtitle; at 3:43}
In Staging the Return (as well as in the main movie), you can see a little of MJ before he comes out of the spider. “Then Michael was gonna come out and be revealed underneath the black widow.” {TII DVD, Staging the Return, The Adventure Begins, text from subtitle; at 19:50}.
And the bam statement itself is very clear: “Let me bathe in my own time when I come back in. I’m gonna button my shirt or jacket or whatever it is. I’m gonna look around a little bit, play with them. Snap my fingers maybe, then bam!” {TII DVD, Main Movie, text from subtitle; at 1:49:45}
Do you feel like MJ has been “playing with them” recently? If so, it means we are in the return process. You see, the return is when things go beyond just clues for hoax believers; it is when the public sees things that just don’t add up with the official story. Since MJ is in control: he could have several pieces revealed all in one day; or he could slow the process down, and do it over a longer period of time (until people start getting it)—in either case, the return would end with the bam (the final and ultimate revelation that MJ is alive).
Has a gradual return processes started? We may not all agree exactly when, but I think we can agree that many such things have happened in the last month or two: no RIP at the Grammy’s; Jermaine’s “airport” slip-up; Brian Oxman saying 99.9% the ambulance photo is fake; tabloid magazine publishing that MJ is alive, because the autopsy report doesn’t add up; and TMZ publishing MJHD.net website right there on their front page!
Yes, these and other things in the last month or two are more than just clues for hoax believers; they are all things which could easily cause the public to start questioning the MJ death. And keep watching for more such events; we should see them coming more and more, now that we are in the return process {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=97}.
But if you go back before January, things like these were rare if ever, because we were not in the return phase yet until January. In fact, the JACK5ONS tweet on January 18: “ur eyes don't lie - media does”—this was obviously referring to the circumstances around MJ’s death; so that should’ve caused some of the public (non-hoax believers) to question the official media story. And in fact, this was the first time any of the Jacksons had referred to the hoax publicly {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965&p=61068#p61068; see also http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7155}. What better time to mark the beginning of the return, than the Jacksons first public reference to the hoax?
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4-40. High Probability of MJ “Return” in January 2010
And when did I say that the return would probably happen? In the month January, and specifically maybe even January 18 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3391&p=52818#p52818}. Did you think that I meant the end of the return would be in January, the bamsday? I never mentioned bamsday in that update (or at any time before Update #4); yet my usage of “return” has often referred to the end of the return (the bam). And certainly if MJ wanted, he could’ve both started and completed the return in January.
You see, in January MJ had to decide whether to end the hoax at that time (bamsday), or continue into the court case with Murray. The fact that the court process has started, should actually show us that things are going reasonably well; if not, MJ would’ve pulled the plug on it by now. And at any time, he could say: “okay everybody, that’s a wrap!” But if not, we should be prepared to wait out the court process (see 4-42, below).
By the way: I never said that the NWO/illuminati subject (TIAI message) was the only reason why MJ did not return back at Halloween. It should be noted, however, that nothing significant happened between the TII release around Halloween, and the January return process beginning—nothing except of course the TIAI redirects, and TIAI Revealed. Once that happened, then the return process began in January.
Oh, and one more thing: TMZ has been using the word “return” in their articles recently. On February 7, they had an article titled: “Plotting Return to Golf” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/07/tiger-woods-golf-return-isleworth-masters/; see also http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/12/tiger-woods-golf-return-tavistock-cup-isleworth-lake-nona-country-club/}. On March 3, they had an article “The Return of Jaafar Jackson” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/03/jaafar-jackson-stun-gun-katherine-jackson-children-services/3}. And on March 5, the anniversary of the London press conference, they had this: “Returning to the Stage … Conan O'Brien is coming back ...” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/05/conan-obrien-return-dodge-theatre-arizona-phoenix-tickets/}.
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4-41. Bam: Not If, But When
Some were troubled by the redirect to a YouTube video, titled “Michael Jackson death hoax: What is his message?” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhAxTYemoQM; and see this thread
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=6028} Please remember first of all, that the redirects point to information already out there on the internet; the information is not created by TIAI, so there may be a few minor things included that are not the reason for the redirect.
This redirect was intended to emphasize the need for us all to have more LOVE in our lives—not just a word, not just a four-letter acronym (L.O.V.E.), but the real thing. This redirect was done in the context of Valentine’s Day (though about a week later); and the purpose again was to emphasize LOVE, not to minimize the importance of the return and bamsday. Nothing in that video said bamsday would never come, or that bamsday is pointless and unnecessary.
The video indicated that maybe our lack of LOVE could delay MJ; and if so, emphasizing the LOVE message would not delay the bam or make it less important—rather, it would help speed it up, which we all want because the bam is important!
And speaking of bamsday, notice that bam statement once again: “I’m gonna look around a little bit, play with them. Snap my fingers maybe, then bam!” Especially in a musical context like this, “snap my fingers” can only be referring to timing! Can you think of anything that has happened recently, about the hoax timing??? Then the next thing in that statement, after snapping his fingers, is the bam!
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4-42. Guilty Until Acquitted, Still Guilty After Acquitted
So much for “innocent until proven guilty”; Conrad Murray is being charged as an intentional murderer, not by the court but by the public! Yes, the Jackson family is talking more and more about murder; but this is part of the plan. And even if the court charged him with murder, the public should not consider him guilty yet; he would only be a murder suspect—until he has had a fair trial, and also been convicted.
But if he goes to trail, and is acquitted, what are the chances that the media and public are going to accept it? Much like MJ himself, no doubt Murray will still be condemned in the eyes of the public. In fact, MJ may save the bam until this happens—just to show the public that they did not treat Murray as innocent until proven guilty. Remember in V for Vendetta: V was fighting for the freedom of the citizens in general; but he was also fighting for his own personal Vendetta.
Also keep in mind the simple fact that if the hoax has continued this far, it’s has to be much more than just a joke. MJ is a prankster, yes; but it has gone way beyond that. There must be some very serious reasons for this hoax (which is what TIAI has said all along).
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4-43. For Those Losing Faith: the Trial Is Not Over Yet
In TIAI Update #2, I wrote the following: “If the doctor goes to trial, and is found not guilty: again, watch the family. If they make an uproar (which they are certainly capable of doing, with all the publicity that they get)—and show truths about a murder plot, then MJ is really dead. But if they act nearly the same as at the memorial and funeral, then MJ is alive.”
In spite of the fact that the court case is not over yet: still some people have been losing faith over the autopsy report, or the court case itself, or DR at FL, etc. But it’s not time to lose faith yet, whatever happens.
In the interview with the “airport” slip-up, Jermaine said: “... it’s all gonna come out. It’s all gonna unfold.” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs}. So this is what we need to be waiting for; and giving up before that time is premature. “And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?” (Matthew 14:31).
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4-44. Do You Still Need Even More Evidence???????-??
For those who need even more evidence—either that MJ is alive, and/or that TIAI has valid information—probably no amount of evidence would ever convince you; at least not before bamsday, and maybe not even after bamsday (you will say it’s not really MJ, it is a double).
I’m not ready yet to say how/where I got my information; that may not happen until after bamsday. But I did give some significant indicators in this update, for those who picked up on it.
And for the video-makers in YouTube land: it would be good to put together videos about the timing of the hoax—not necessarily as detailed as this update, but enough detail to show clearly that the timing was planned (and maybe a link to this update, for those who want more detail).
Last but certainly not least: a huge thank-you to Souza and Mo for your hard work in providing this forum, and also your own research. Don’t worry about the fact that people criticize you for not being MJ fans. You are doing for MJ what millions of MJ fans are not doing. There are millions of MJ fans in the world—yes, maybe even billions. But he himself said: “I’ve met a lot of people in my life. And very few are real, real, real friends—could probably count them on one hand.” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ycuZXKqdZE} Before this is all over, hopefully Michael will need more than one hand to count his real, real, real friends.
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More and more MJ fans are now thinking maybe MJ was murdered (including former hoax believers);
haha they were never believers ;)
Remember in V for Vendetta: V was fighting for the freedom of the citizens in general; but he was also fighting for his own personal Vendetta.
exactly! :mrgreen:
Don’t worry about the fact that people criticize you for not being MJ fans. You are doing for MJ what millions of MJ fans are not doing. ui
thank you, TS!
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Remember in V for Vendetta: V was fighting for the freedom of the citizens in general; but he was also fighting for his own personal Vendetta.
Don’t worry about the fact that people criticize you for not being MJ fans. You are doing for MJ what millions of MJ fans are not doing.
THANK YOU TS!!!!!! :D
And THANK YOU Mo and Souza!
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Thank you TS, really!!!!!
Brilliant as always... :lol:
& Thanks to Mo & Souza !
And believers...Keep the faith!
Love you all
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Thank you so much ts .. <3
Do I need to give any more hints? I think I’ve said enough already. Besides, you want some surprises left for after Bamsday, don’t you?
Hints ? I didn't get hints, I got ANSWERS !!
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Thanks again, TS ;)
You just gave substance to my thoughts: I thought about the whole thing so many times, countless..and I came to the conclusion it couldn't be a murder, it doesn't add up.
I've always thought MJ involved few people in the hoax, just like you said: it does make sense, there'd be no reason to involve a lot of people with the risk of being exposed. ;) I agree with you when you say we should stop looking for clues in small things and we should focus on major hints. I find sometimes ludicrous looking for hints in EVERY thing concerning the Jacskons family, fellow artists, etc etc...
I remember in one of your previous update you said: if Murray goes on trial, look for family reaction. At the time it made me think "So Murray will go on trial..." and that's what happened. If Michael decided to go through that there must be good reasons, and probably one of the reason is we should learn not to condemn someone without evidence. It happened to him before.
Do not judge a man if you haven't walked a mile in his shoes.
Thanks again ;)
And thanks to Souza & Mo, you are amazing! I knew that from the very beginning! Love ya girls! :D
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I appreciate another interesting update. The diversion theory in 4-38 brought out points I had not thought of that make the hoax seem actually less complicated. And yes, your indicators of sources caught my eye. Thanks for explaining in detail the return process. This thing is heating up. From simmer to full boil is imminent. And to be counted a "real friend" of Michael would indeed be an honor. "A friend loveth at all times". (Prov.17:17)
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Thank you TS for your excellent and detailed explanation, and your kind words. We will never give up fighting for Mike and we will keep defending him to the bone, no matter what happens or what people say about us. We have chosen to walk this path, and we will keep on walking it.
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WOW--TS i could never really THANK YOU as much as i could ever meant to...i'm lost for words over your hard work and dedication to what Mike has been planning for soo many years..You are amazing...your updates keep people going and that's very important cause we have reached a phaze in which unfortunately many hoax-believers seem to lose faith...
--NOW IS THE TIME TO KEEP THE FAITH STRONGER THAN EVER--
i can't possibly describe the great importance of your work
--THANK YOU SOO MUCH ;)
-- PLEASE CONTINUE UPDATING-- :P
THUMBS UP 4 TS...
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Thank you so much Ts.
Thanks Mo, thanks Souza, I'm proud to be here :P
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like all..... thank you very much TS for your hard work... your writting skill shows your intellagence!! ;)
if you could... plz pass my regards to MJ and tell him (Badria from OMAN (MUSCAT) says salam alaikom dear MJ!.. waiting for your second visit! :D )
again and again.. thank you! God bless you...
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Thank you TS for your excellent work....I appreciate another interesting update!
I agree with you when you say we should stop looking for clues in small things... and we should focus on major hints.... :!:
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Thank you again TS. Whatever happens, whoever attacks us, we will indeed keep walking.
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TS thank you so much.
Thank you Mo & Souza.
Ottimo lavoro, grazie ancora per tutto.
Sono veramente felice di essere in grado di camminare con tutti voi.
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I have not enough words to thank you TS. :)
I think that the people that have come so far with REAL faith that MJ is alive , they don't need any more proofs.
How can someone would had come this far and still have doubts ?
We choose this way against the media and public "truth" , we choose to be the crazy or fanatics ones , we choose to face all the mockery and laughs at our faces.
BUT we also choose to fight for justice in this world and justice for Michael .
So -at least as I'm concerned- I'll fight till the end , no matter what.
May God be on his side. God bless him and the whole world.
Also a great, great thanks to you Souza and Mo. :)
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Thank you so much TS for your hard work and dedication :)
Thank you Souza and Mo :D You're awesome :D
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Okay, I believe! This is the 1st time I ever spoke on this forum, but I've been following MJHD since Sep. 2009 and this site since last Dec. I always had faith, but sometimes I would think I'm going crazy. Now, I'm FULLY convinced. Thank you TS for helping me see the light. At times, I thought you were pulling our legs. Thank you so much!!!
P.S.
I already knew about the NWO and Illuminati well before MJ died and their influences on the world. That's why when MJ "died", I knew they might have had something to do with his "death." I was SO heartbroken, so somehow, I stumbled across these type of sights and videos on YouTube.
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Thank you so much TS, Mo, and Souza! :D
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Thankyou TS. and we are well aware of the excellent work Mo and Souza do . It is greatly appreciated.
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Thank you again TS :D
Little tidbit, something I just realized: Brian Oxman said he is 99.9% sure that the photo is a fake.
999 :D
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More and more MJ fans are now thinking maybe MJ was murdered (including former hoax believers);
haha they were never believers ;)
Remember in V for Vendetta: V was fighting for the freedom of the citizens in general; but he was also fighting for his own personal Vendetta.
exactly! :mrgreen:
Don’t worry about the fact that people criticize you for not being MJ fans. You are doing for MJ what millions of MJ fans are not doing. ui
thank you, TS!
(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/3076/michaeljackson1625.jpg) (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/michaeljackson1625.jpg/)
Thanks for TS & all who contributes to maintain the peoples BELIEVING. This is the POWER for Michael wherever he is... WELL of course...I BELIEVE!
Yes ,MJalive999, BELIEVER is BELIEVER or "they were never BELIEVERS"!
As we can see TMZ is the best BELIEVERS' friend ALWAYS...daily! :roll:
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TS, you have always been there for us and especially for MJ to help him get his messages across. Thank you SO MUCH for all you've done and all you are doing. Thank you as well to Souza and Mo, you guys have been so patient and tolerant. L.O.V.E. God bless you three! See you soon Michael!
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Thank you TS for your excellent and detailed explanation, and your kind words. We will never give up fighting for Mike and we will keep defending him to the bone, no matter what happens or what people say about us. We have chosen to walk this path, and we will keep on walking it.
Bravo, TS! Mo has stated so eloquently exactly how I feel about about your effort. I'm speechless! And I have a very big smile on my face! Thank you from the bottom of my heart. And thank you Mo & Souza . . . you're guidance and inspiration keeps us walking the path everyday. This experience has changed me forever.
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Smiling ear to ear now... What can I say after all this? Nothing that has been already said. Just thank you, TS for keeping us united. And Michael, dear, yes, thank you, thank you, thank you a milion times for always bringing us to you world and showing how much YOU CARE.
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hello, for just a few times in my life i was speechless ,and now it is one of that time.i have learn a lot of things watching you all.thank you
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This are the kind of update that I like to read! where speculation is put it on a side and reasoning is the key.
I haven't been agree with many things since the reveal of TIAI and the updates, but this one was incredible and I just have some little little objections that I won't even mention because are not important at all!
My position about TS, and I believe that is the same that other members has, is similar to the "innocent until proven guilty".. I won't say TS is a confirmed informer until proven.. but as I did with almost most of the topics discussed here, I'll let my door open. Of course I'll have to wait until Bamsday or, if I'm lucky, before that... but i'll be waiting for it.
Thanks for the update, and is good to see that you are thankful with Mo and Souza, most of us where thankful with them since the beggining and since the update 2 I was thinking that it was kind of strange that you don't mention them... not because they need people to be thankfull, but just because we really are. So, is nice to see that you also know the big effort they put on this community.
Lots of L.O.V.E!
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This time I have to thank you TS, I needed this post.
Michael I LOVE YOU and I'm still here...waiting for you, remember!
Fede
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Thank you...very very much!
It's almost over...
Ts, your words emotionally move, really.
I hope that after all of this Michael will understand how much we love him...
...it's not easy to be a Michael's Fan :lol: ...really...some people call me "crazy"...but hey! during the bamday or whatever it is, I'll wear a t-shirt with a sign like "I TOLD YOU!!!!!"
hihihihih
anyway, thank you again.
Many thanks to Souza&Mo too.
With Love ;)
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Very good, like you said TS (If this doesn't convince people, nothing will!) nothing can change my mind now, MJ is alive!
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Michael when you'll come back you'll need many hands to count your REAL friends :lol:
I love you Michael, I love you TS and thank you for all your work and your support.
I love you all :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
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Once again, A big thank you for this TS. You have amazed me again. So much information here, it couldn't be anything else but the truth. To Michael, you have gone above and way beyond anyone's wildest expectations and you are achieving the seemingly impossible/unbelievable, in such a perfect way. I'm speechless :D ;)
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I am IMPRESSED!! :D Great post. I am amazed with your skills of placing info in order.
Absolutely "Timing is everything".
Thank you for making things clearer.
And yes, lots of love to Mo & Souza for managing the website so well and working so hard on this case for Michael. You two girls are great! And I deeply appriciate all the information you share with us in hard your work. I am happy to be a part of this with you. :)
Eventually the truth will prevail and we shall see.
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Thank you once again TS for your incredible work. Reading your Updates always makes things so clear and they always come at a time when people are starting to lose hope or become confused by all the events and media surrounding Michael's "death".
The planning in this is mind blowing. Some of the "how's" of the hoax which you explained amazed me and I can't wait to find out about the rest when the time comes of course!!! I understand Michael has done this for serious reasons as well; to spread love to the world and to warn people about what is happening in the world and to us.
Thank you Michael Jackson....I hope your hands will be full with many true, true friends.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you. These updates reinforce, beyond any shadow of a doubt, what TS has said from the beginning. It does not matter who he/she is, nor whether or not we believe they are 'in the know'. That is all irrelevant when you focus on the message being put forward. These updates have now gone beyond the message to give us a glimpse (or several) into the how's and when's of the hoax. Again, disputing who TS is or their involvement in the hoax just serves to cloud the logic and brilliance of MJ's plan...and he truly is the master of genius! And TS, whoever you are, you should also be applauded for your uncanny ability to bring us into the mind of a genius at work...and for taking the time and energy to keep the hope alive.
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TS I don't know how to thank you for your posts. I am sorry I didn't know about them before.
The info you gave here is so interesting, makes me believe without a trace of doubt.
I would like to see all your posts when I have time to read them all.
Please don't stop keeping us informed.
L.O.V.E.
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The big problem was for me the the paramedics - they couldn't be in the hoax in my opinion.
But now after reading that article of TMZ where they said the paramedics didn't even recognize MJ, it's much more clear what happened.
Big relief for me :D
Of course they didn't recognise him :lol: but it's human nature to believe what you are told. They were told it's MJ, everything in that moment pointed to the fact that the corpse was MJ, so... they believed it !
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Thank you TS.From the beginning of all of your posts I would copy them and send them to evreyone in my email to hopefully open their eyes concerning Michael Jackson and although many scoffed at what I sent them there were 8 people in my list of 37 that did in fact start paying attention to the fact that MJ may have indeed hoaxed his death for reasons we have yet to fully find out.Out of those 8 people 7 of them now honestly believe he is still alive.If I hadn't of had the indepth information you have given us,I doubt that I would have been able to convince them that MJ is really alive.By passing it on to others who didn't believe before but now do I feel that it is a small step in turning this world around to where more and more people can make that change.Mo & Souza have done a fabulous job with this site and it is the only one I have felt comfortable being in since before joining.Thank you for your part in helping those of us reach others in a way we may never been able to do before...L.O.V.E. to all...
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Thank You TS very much for one more awesome post!
I couldn't agree more with Bethechange post up above!
I am planning to go back to TIAI very first post and read through them slowly in order and look at each link as I go along. May I suggest that more of us do that? It may take awhile seeing I'am in the middle of moving, and the fact I get called crazy by my husband, so I have to sneak my reading!
Yes, a BIG thank you to MO and SOUZA! Keep up the great work!
LOVE to all, and God Bless.
MJ you can count me in on your fingers!
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And for the video-makers in YouTube land: it would be good to put together videos about the timing of the hoax—not necessarily as detailed as this update, but enough detail to show clearly that the timing was planned (and maybe a link to this update, for those who want more detail).
[youtube:1g1ens86]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsiKRv8wKXk[/youtube:1g1ens86]
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(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=4676)
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TS, Thank you. :D
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Again & again, Thank you Souza & Mo for always holding the fort & the torch for us.Thank you so much TS for putting everything together.
SOUZA & MO & TS, thanks for being strong. So much time has passed and your strength have kept us together.
;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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God Bless You!!
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Thank You TS! In appreciation for all your hard work, This Bow Is For You. Peace and happiness! One Love.
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Thank you TS for this enlightening update! :D
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Thank you TS!
Thank you MO&SOUZA!
Michael,thank you so much?I believe in you always.
It's all for L.O.V.E.
GOD BLESS ALL:)
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I also thank you TS, and Mo and Souza for all your efforts!
And especially, thank you, Mr. Jackson! I have so much respect for you, you are an incredibly loving and intelligent human being.
I don't know why but I always start crying when people talk about bamsday or return. It's just too emotional, all this...
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:P Thanks so much TS for Your update and as per usual all the work You are doing and have done thus far!!
You are truly right in saying that there are those that will never believe, I have many people like that in my life, but I couldn't care less!! MJ is the Man! the one and only and pure Genius plus plus plus!!
I can relate to those that get emotional everytime, as I can't help it he just triggers You , just watch TII DVD again and it just triggers that raw emotion that MJ and Only MJ is capable of!! I saw the bit tonite where I think Frank Dileo says 'MJ was Innocent but not naive!!!' and that he was so very intelligent!!( I only use the term was as that is what was said, but as we all here believe he still is , Just pure genius as we all know!! just hearing the immense and numerous validations for the awesome Human Being that MJ is, connects the emotion with it all!!
well thanks agin and to MO and Souza as well for all Your awesome work!!!
and to everyone that believes in MJ I love L.O.V.E You all, we are all family united in one strong belief!! So lets all keep the faith and keep strong and true to MJ and believe in him and his message L.O.V.E!! I truly celebrate that You awesome people are here to share all this with, as without all You fabulous people and TS and MO and SOUZA what would it be like?/
well al my love and hugs to You all!!
thanks again for the fabulous work You guys!!
all my love and hugs, take care!!
L.O.V.E!!
MIchelle
New Zealand
thank You!!
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I am very greatfull to all of you; TS, Mo, Souza, everybody that is keeping hope and evidence up, and Michael in the very first place! You all enrich my life and my view on many things, you all are an inspiration for my daily life and the corepiece of life.
In case you read this, Michael; I thank you with all of my heart for everything you gave and I would like you to be sure of my support in good as well as in bad times!!I am very much looking forward to seeing you back again and to justice being prevailed!!!
We love you!!
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thanks to ts and moderators...great forum ...a lot info...
Michael love you each day even more ...miss you my angel...coming back soon...i need you..we need you...the entire world need from you ...
big hug to you ;)
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I didn't need this post for believing and keeping the faith but I apreciate your hard work. I would tell more but my English is too bad to express all emotions. Just wanted to say that I always feel comfortable in this forum and there is no day that I would pass by this forum.
Michael, we are patient for you.
Thank you.
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I thank you too, TS for all the tantalizing, provocative and profound TIAI redirects and updates. I have eagerly looked for them since way back to the start. What a blessing you truly are! Just wondering though about the TIAI twitter daily links, if they are also from you. I daily enjoy those as well. They seem to coming from the same mind and heart. Has that been answered somewhere here? Although I've had occasional doubts when negative news comes in, its the overwhelming weight of evidence from ALL hoax investigators online, for Michael living and planning to visibly return to us that has beLIEve burned strong in me since August 09!! Love my genius MJ!
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I tempi dell'hoax :)
[youtube:3idfrba2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFoAWrMWPao[/youtube:3idfrba2]
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great italian video... :D
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Wow, thank you thank you thank you!
I really needed this. I honestly go through the day jumping back and forth. With every update you write I am more convinced.
I wish more people knew about this.
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Thank you TS for your excellent and detailed explanation, and your kind words. We will never give up fighting for Mike and we will keep defending him to the bone, no matter what happens or what people say about us. We have chosen to walk this path, and we will keep on walking it.
My sentiments exacty! Thank you TS, Mo and Souza for all that you do to keep us encouraged to continue to believe. God Bless! Keep the Faith!
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eheh.. naturally "my friends" in the real life are starting with: "are you crazy jo? c'mon don't lose your life to follow these people, and more.."
Bhà, patience.. It's my life,right? And i believe... I CAN THINK WITH MY OWN MIND..
(sorry just a my "steam"..)
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@mjonmind TS has stated in pervious posts that he is not the one running the twitter account. It is others, taking his info and sharing it, which is fine, the more the message can get out the better!
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Frankly speaking, I really dont think that this ("updates") is something that is very ingenious or novel.....That however should not imply that I do not believe in the hoax....
I do believe.....
The essence of this hoax is that there is an alternative explanation for every oddity that surfaces....Let me correct myself...not every..but some....
For things like MJ saying Geraldo that he has many new "surprises"...He could be referring to the 3D effects in TII...
TMZ posting articles with the words "return" doesnt really have to mean anything...What other word would you use for Tiger Woods comeback other than "return" or "comeback"?
Sorry to break the hearts of numerology fans, but If yu want to convince other people, you cant rely on 7s and 9s and 3s and 1s.....That will simply not do..When you tell about the hoax....you have to form a foundation to your theory based on more concrete facts(PAINS) and not some mere additions that add up to 7.....The 7 thing "COULD" be a thing but tha fact is that we have no way of knowing that.....
Heck....my cousin was born on 3.01.03....3+1+3=7 So What?
Did Mj plan his birth? :roll:
But on the other hand I do agree taht the MURDER theory is totally absurd..because if MJ was murdered and Jermaine and Latoya "knew" all along, then why on earth did they allow AEG to host their brother's memorial? Exactly. ;)
And there are certain things for which there are no excuses.....like the Jermaine "airport" slip up....
All I am saying is that whnever I see this number interpretation, I feel that its too much.
I feel that we are reading too much into it.....Instead of concentrating on the more REASONABLE and RELIABLE clues...
Sorry folks, I prefer to side with fact rather than co-incidence......
PAINS, Slip-ups, technical loopholes are all FACTS...As for the numbers thing, its not THAT convincing....truth be told.
FACTS ar more convinving.
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OH LORD! :roll:
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For people who don't believe in the number thoery " Men lie, woman lie, numbers don't" I know this probably isnt the best place to be qouting Jay-Z. However, this statement is very true!!
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Like I said...Thres an alternative excuse to some oddities in this whole story......
We can keep talking about numbers but numbers alone cant be used to form a foundation for the hoax theory.....At least the family will wholeheartedly deny it....
Just imagine...You being asked "Why do you think this is a hoax?"
And you answer "Because everything adds up to a 7"......
"Oh Lord!! Thats It?!..... :roll: "
Do you expect people to buy that?.....
Wouldnt it be more convincing if you cited more apparent anomalies like the ones I have listd above? :roll:
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if it was just about 7, sweetheart. OK!
but it's not. and about the autograph?? about 999(autopsy report)?
your cousin is not MJ, so it doenst matter :)
if u don't like/don't agree. don't read! EASY!
don't make things more difficult for other people, it is already difficult enough. (not mj being alive or not, he is alive with or without this theory).
but, we don't need negative people or who always have to complain about something.
This is better than hidden messages in This Is It Backwards :roll:
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Please abstain from unnecessary fabrication and concoctions...Becasue if you do that you are being as bad as one of those flaccid tabloids that ruined Mj's image.....
I nevr did say that my cousin is MJ did I ? And nor do I expect him to be Mj..... :roll: :roll:
And since it is an open forum have the right to read and comment wherever I like....so there.....
All I am saying is that we can interpret a thousand things in a thousand ways...Theres no limit to it...And no I am not being negative or dismissive......Do we really know what MJ was thinking when he signed those Dangerous autographs?......NO...Who knows it was just a casual intention? An why did that autograph spring up in the first place?
All I want to say is that I prefer being a bit mor LOGICAL....
Because that will keep me from believing in bogus rumours being spread on this forum like "Global Warming Is a Hoax" ....Oh Good Lord!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Listen Hon.......Just because countries in the north arent feeling the heat dosnt mean that It aint happening.......Thres enough wweather fluctuations here in the subcontinent....The Maldives are sinking....I heard it from a member here itself who lives there...hear it from the people themselves instead of some arbitrary YouTube videos.......Infuse your brain with some LOGIC
...And Michael was planning to hoax his death right since the day he was born right? :roll: :roll:
THERE IS A HOAX 100%........But not like this...frankly I am fed with some of the crazy rumours being fed to the members on this forum. :roll:
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Please abstain from unnecessary fabrication and concoctions...Becasue if you do that you are being as bad as one of those flaccid tabloids that ruined Mj's image.....
I nevr did say that my cousin is MJ did I ? And nor do I expect him to be Mj..... :roll: :roll:
And since it is an open forum have the right to read and comment wherever I like....so there.....
All I am saying is that we can interpret a thousand things in a thousand ways...Theres no limit to it...And no I am not being negative or dismissive......Do we really know what MJ was thinking when he signed those Dangerous autographs?......NO...Who knows it was just a casual intention? An why did that autograph spring up in the first place?
All I want to say is that I prefer being a bit mor LOGICAL....
Because that will keep me from believing in bogus rumours being spread on this forum like "Global Warming Is a Hoax" ....Oh Good Lord!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Listen Hon.......Just because countries in the north arent feeling the heat dosnt mean that It aint happening.......Thres enough wweather fluctuations here in the subcontinent....The Maldives are sinking....I heard it from a member here itself who lives there...hear it from the people themselves instead of some arbitrary YouTube videos.......Infuse your brain with some LOGIC
...And Michael was planning to hoax his death right since the day he was born right? :roll: :roll:
THERE IS A HOAX 100%........But not like this...frankly I am fed with some of the crazy rumours being fed to the members on this forum. :roll:
I think you might be up for a surprise. And if you are so fed up with this board, you are free to leave. No one is stopping you.
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I know the global warming is real.. The society of Islands I used to live on are slowly disappearing
I agree with the numerology.. I do not believe somebody would take the time to calculate every step
If Michael faked his death, it was for something close to him not to save the world
But to tell you the truth, I am now 80% sure that Michael passed away... I need one more prove
PLease keep his memory alive and respect his family
L O V E to all
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I know the global warming is real.. The society of Islands I used to live on are slowly disappearing
I agree with the numerology.. I do not believe somebody would take the time to calculate every step
If Michael faked his death, it was for something close to him not to save the world
But to tell you the truth, I am now 80% sure that Michael passed away... I need one more prove
PLease keep his memory alive and respect his family
L O V E to all
Global Warming might be real, but global warming occurs every few 100 years. It's not us that causes it, it's nature. They want to believe we caused it, so we feel guilty and spend a lot of money to things that will save us from it. It won't, because the sun is causing the warming, just as it will cause a cooling again as well. We didn't drive Hummers back in the Middle Ages. CO2 increases because the temperature goes up, not the other way around. The public is being lied to, and that is what he is showing us.
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@Souza
I didnt say that I was tired of the forum...I said that I was tired of the rumours being spread of late.....
you know, when we confront 45 degree Celsius temperatures in India in Summer and then we get to read HERE that Global warming is a hoax.....Its a but too unrealistic to believe...plus a little frustrating....
Dont blow your top off just becasue someone put forward a little measureof contradiction to your perspective...... ;)
I put forward my opinion but didnt ask anyone to LEAVE...I do expect a little considerate response....at least from the moderators of this website.
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Well, in that case let me tell you that we had the coldest winter here in Holland since 1980. We had 60 days of snow, while mostly we don't have snow at all. So that would mean a European cooling and an Indian warming?
I was only showing you that global warming is nothing new and people should stop blaming the public for it by telling scrambled truths.
And besides that: being an admin or moderator on this forum, doesn't mean you're not allowed to participate in the discussion or have an opinion.
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What?.... :? When did I say that you were not allowed to participate in a discussion?
I just asked you to be a bit more considerate in your replies......And not just straightforward order someone to leave the forum just becasue he/she said something contradictory to what you believe/not believe......
How on Earth is the above statement supposed to mean that "the moderator is not allowed to participate in the forum"? :? :roll:
Please dont put forward wrong interpretations of a simple statement.
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What?.... :? When did I say that you were not allowed to participate in a discussion?
I just asked you to be a bit more considerate in your replies......And not just straightforward order someone to leave the forum just becasue he/she said something contradictory to what you believe/not believe......
How on Earth is the above statement supposed to mean that "the moderator is not allowed to participate in the forum"? :? :roll:
Please dont put forward wrong interpretations of a simple statement.
I call it as I see it and I reply like I reply, just like you do.
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Where I live, we had the coldest winter for thirty years. We had snow for weeks at a time. We usually only get maybe two days of a dusting of snow. It was like my childhood back in the seventies where you could build snowmen. We have had very poor summers for many years. It's not worth having a summer wardrobe. The weather here is quite different from the summers you get in say, London. The warm air from the south converges with the cold air from the north, right over the roof of my house.
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Where I live, we had the coldest winter for thirty years. We had snow for weeks at a time. We usually only get maybe two days of a dusting of snow. It was like my childhood back in the seventies where you could build snowmen. We have had very poor summers for many years. It's not worth having a summer wardrobe. The weather here is quite different from the summers you get in say, London. The warm air from the south converges with the cold air from the north, right over the roof of my house.
London has had two crap summers in a row.
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I know the global warming is real.. The society of Islands I used to live on are slowly disappearing
I agree with the numerology.. I do not believe somebody would take the time to calculate every step
If Michael faked his death, it was for something close to him not to save the world
But to tell you the truth, I am now 80% sure that Michael passed away... I need one more prove
PLease keep his memory alive and respect his family
L O V E to all
Global warming is real but it is a naturally occurring phenomenon. Man Made Global Warming is not real, Al Gore is a liar and is highly invested financial in the whole Man made global warming BS. The IPCC has used model based on skewed and fabricated data. Research Climategate and discover for yourself. Michael is alive open your eyes, your heart and your mind!
Here are a couple of documentaries that may open your eyes on these global warming lies!
[youtube:8y5d7o36]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TqqWJugXzs[/youtube:8y5d7o36]
[youtube:8y5d7o36]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaNcQ4Wj7bQ[/youtube:8y5d7o36]
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@Souza
I prefer a treating people a tad more respect and keeping in mind a SEVEN (7) letter word.....DIGNITY :D ...No offense really 8-) ..Unless someone starts dissing me around for nothing.
This forum is just like a huge home with many different members with their own inclinations and preferences.....You dont just order someone to leave just because you dont see eye to eye......at least I never did that.
Plus I DID NOT USE SWEAR WORDS AT YOU....
You see, any rational person reading this thread can see that I am not at fault here.....On the contrary I am the one being threatened unnecessarily. Its unfortunate.
And any rational person can also see that there was no indication in my statement that the Admins were NOT ALLOWED to post (What a joke btw, :lol: ).....
I am rational enough to understand that you are the MODS and NO ONE CAN REFRAIN YOU from posting..... ;)
Oh C'mon Souza....People were worse on the Doubles Thread.......IS a TINY measure of consideration too much to ask? :|
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I know that the IPCC messed up the whole thing...I know it because an Indian scientist heads that panel....His name is prof.R K Pachauri.....
I know that the IPCC is not to be trusted with.....But that dosnt mean that the planet is not being damaged....
Sadly enough it is and we CAN fel it....
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Datroot, We call London the "deep south". We have consistently cool/poor summers year on year. I have to remind myself though that the Falkland Islands in the south Atlantic Ocean are nearer the Equator than I am. The Falkland Islands look a God forsaken place weather wise and when you see how far south they are it really brings home how far north I am. I realize in reality the Falklands are probably colder but that is due to the land mass of the Antartic.
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I was talking about these 2:
And I stated that where exactly?
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TS this is for you ((((((((((((((((big hug))))))))))))))) Thank you. I needed this. sigh.... :)
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Because that will keep me from believing in bogus rumours being spread on this forum like "Global Warming Is a Hoax" ....Oh Good Lord!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
.......Just because countries in the north arent feeling the heat dosnt mean that It aint happening.......Thres enough weather fluctuations here in the subcontinent....The Maldives are sinking....I heard it from a member here itself who lives there...hear it from the people themselves instead of some arbitrary YouTube videos.......
THANK YOU, DOC for that bit about the notion of the "Global warming myth". I don't know who started that or where & when 'the idea' first began in the MJ hoax related stuff. Nor am I interested in finding out/accusing/bashing those particular who/what/where here either...
All I know with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY is that NO ONE (not even "the man" himself!) is going to convince me that Global warming is not real!!!
But for those of you who believe global warming isn't real...Duh, people, listen to MJ's words on the Earth song segment part of This Is It. AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN! What do you really think he means when he says, "the planet is sick"?!? It doesn't sound as if he's describing a conspiracy when he's asking us to take care of the planet! Nor does it sound as if he's warning us of "doomsday" when he mentions the four years we've got either! Here is just one man (because of his 'influence' & using it for good too!) trying to get us to notice, acknowledge & change the gross negligence & abuse that we've been dishing on our collective heritage; OUR HOME! Why must we try to pick away at the simple message/try to complicate it beyond recognition & read between the lines when it's all so obvious (at least, on this respect)!?!
Yes, IPCC botched up bad. Once. So, does it mean that those years of research & work goes poof up in smoke just because of that? Do you honestly think that most (or the rest) of the world are so stupid to have been taken in by the "money-making scheme" all these years? By the way, despite the idea of global warming having existed for years now, it's only been very recently that the 'green-friendly' products have been introduced. It didn't all start with a 'hidden agenda' by some 'crooks'. Just ask those millions of people around the world who have been DIRECTLY experiencing the effects of pollution, resultant warming & sea level rise for years now. Erosion & inundation are not stuff we have read about in textbooks only! :cry: Some of us grew up with that too. We've learned to make small sacrifices & modifications into our daily lives that many elsewhere take for granted. Now those are more REAL to me than anything a mere clinical data sheet or clever conspiracy theory could EVER be!!! Do you really think that the countries with little means are spending big bucks on reversion, correction, prevention & awareness methods & programs just for the heck of it? Because we are fools who know no better? :evil:
I've LOATHED hearing all that I've on MJ hoax related forums about "the global warming scam". It's shocking, horrifying & shameful to see the lengths people would go to avoid taking their fair of responsibility & blame for the present vulnerable state of our planet! The plant wasn't always "sick", you know. And nature does not conspire against us. So, the deterioration you see around you is NOT just a 'natural course' or whatever else they call it. These are signs from our tired, lonely & crying mother earth, begging for our attention. We are a part of this "nature" too, so we are not doing this for "others" or just for the planet itself. WE HAVE TO DO THIS FOR US. We all have had a hand in this, either directly or indirectly, whether we like it or not. Now is not the time to shirk behind illusions of "nature will take care of itself" & to invent self-indulgent theories. It's high time we joined forces to work with nature for once.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not trying to start something or to insult anyone here. Plus, I also love a good conspiracy myself, but really, we have got to learn to draw the line somewhere. There are things that belongs in FICTION & stuff that is FACTUAL. Not everyone is out to "get you". Not everything around you is fake. For, what is life (& the LOVE we keep claiming to understand so well & mention so often) worth without a little trust! :)
PEACE out!
L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
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Because that will keep me from believing in bogus rumours being spread on this forum like "Global Warming Is a Hoax" ....Oh Good Lord!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
.......Just because countries in the north arent feeling the heat dosnt mean that It aint happening.......Thres enough weather fluctuations here in the subcontinent....The Maldives are sinking....I heard it from a member here itself who lives there...hear it from the people themselves instead of some arbitrary YouTube videos.......
THANK YOU, DOC for that bit about the notion of the "Global warming myth". I don't know who started that or where & when 'the idea' first began in the MJ hoax related stuff. Nor am I interested in finding out/accusing/bashing those particular who/what/where here either...
All I know with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY is that NO ONE (not even "the man" himself!) is going to convince me that Global warming is not real!!!
But for those of you who believe global warming isn't real...Duh, people, listen to MJ's words on the Earth song segment part of This Is It. AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN! What do you really think he means when he says, "the planet is sick"?!? It doesn't sound as if he's describing a conspiracy when he's asking us to take care of the planet! Nor does it sound as if he's warning us of "doomsday" when he mentions the four years we've got either! Here is just one man (because of his 'influence' & using it for good too!) trying to get us to notice, acknowledge & change the gross negligence & abuse that we've been dishing on our collective heritage; OUR HOME! Why must we try to pick away at the simple message/try to complicate it beyond recognition & read between the lines when it's all so obvious (at least, on this respect),?!?
Yes, IPCC botched up bad. Once. So, does it mean that those years of research & work goes poof up in smoke just because of that? Do you honestly think that most (or the rest) of the world are so stupid to have been taken in by the "money-making scheme" all these years? By the way, despite the idea of global warming having existed for years now, it's only been very recently that the 'green-friendly' products have been introduced. It didn't all start with a 'hidden agenda' by some 'crooks'. Just ask those millions of people around the world who have been DIRECTLY experiencing the effects of pollution, resultant warming & sea level rise for years now. Erosion & inundation are not stuff we have read about in textbooks only! :cry: Some of us grew up with that too. We've learned to make small sacrifices & modifications into our daily lives that many elsewhere take for granted. Now those are more REAL to me than anything a mere clinical data sheet or clever conspiracy theory could EVER be!!! Do you really think that the countries with little means are spending big bucks on reversion, correction, prevention & awareness methods & programs just for the heck of it? Because we are fools who know no better? :evil:
I've LOATHED hearing all that I've on MJ hoax related forums about "the global warming scam". It's shocking, horrifying & shameful to see the lengths people would go to avoid taking their fair of responsibility & blame for the present vulnerable state of our planet! The plant wasn't always "sick", you know. And nature does not conspire against us. So, the deterioration you see around you is NOT just a 'natural course' or whatever else they call it. These are signs from our tired, lonely & crying mother earth, begging for our attention. We are a part of this "nature" too, so we are not doing this for "others" or just for the planet itself. WE HAVE TO DO THIS FOR US. We all have had a hand in this, either directly or indirectly, whether we like it or not. Now is not the time to shirk behind illusions of "nature will take care of itself" & to invent self-indulgent theories. It's high time we joined forces to work with nature for once.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not trying to start something or to insult anyone here. Plus, I also love a good conspiracy myself, but really, we have got to learn to draw the line somewhere. There are things that belongs in FICTION & stuff that is FACTUAL. Not everyone is out to "get you". Not everything around you is fake. For, what is life (& the LOVE we keep claiming to understand so well & mention so often) worth without a little trust!
Peace out!
L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
Maybe you didn't get the point....
Global warming is a natural thing, it occured many times in tha past few thousand years. I am not saying we don't have to take care of the planet, I am saying that 'man made global warming' is a LIE.
Just watch the movie The Great Global Warming swindle, CO2 does not cause global warming. This is big business nowadays and people are making BIG BUCKS because of it. Green power is a scam as well, the power companies only purchase green certificates from Scandinavia, but you get just the normal stuff, but for a higher price.
I don't know how it is in other countries, but here in Holland companies like that are often busted and exposed. Governments have to stop lying about this and spend tax money on nature, as they tell us they do, instead of filling their own pockets.
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Thank you, Souza! You know, it's even in my granddaughter's eighth grade science textbook that CO2 causes global warming. I had her insert "theory" in her answers concerning that because it is not fact.
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Maybe you didn't get the point....
Global warming is a natural thing, it occured many times in tha past few thousand years. I am not saying we don't have to take care of the planet, I am saying that 'man made global warming' is a LIE.
Just watch the movie The Great Global Warming swindle, CO2 does not cause global warming. This is big business nowadays and people are making BIG BUCKS because of it. Green power is a scam as well, the power companies only purchase green certificates from Scandinavia, but you get just the normal stuff, but for a higher price.
I don't know how it is in other countries, but here in Holland companies like that are often busted and exposed. Governments have to stop lying about this and spend tax money on nature, as they tell us they do, instead of filling their own pockets.
Thank you for the suggestions, but I think I've watched quite a number of them myself too. And my point was to put across my take, my personal viewpoint (as we all do constantly share here on this forum, on all topics) on this topic of "the great global warming scam". Not just something I'm reciting off a standard old-school textbook & not something I've just discovered/read/watched online, but rather from close personal experience.
I appreciate you for sharing your knowledge of the going-ons there in Holland (which was news to me). And yes, even I am aware that it's true that some people have been using unscrupulous means & generally taking advantage of the whole "green" concept & theme. And of course, we should not indulge or tolerate the likes of them too! But that does not mean that everyone, everywhere out there is necessarily doing the same. And I've immense respect for those genuine "doers" who are quietly working on/trying to make a real difference, in stead of being active "sayers" & "quoters".
Granted that there has been many instances of global warming in the past too, but those were isolated, separate occurrences, NOTHING an on an increasing, progressive scale like we witness today. The rise in sea level alone, is one REAL, pressing & serious dilemma that many amongst us face today. The sight of an actual island, however tiny, disappearing from the face of the map is not a very pleasant prospect at all. It may be "them" today, but tomorrow it could be us; it's as simple as that.
I'm NOT saying that it's ALL man-made global warming either! But the evidence & effects of global warming have been directly proportional to man's 'industrialisation'. That fact alone is enough to establish a co-relation there.
I'm saying that we should ALL try to do something more constructive here, for the PLANET, for US, instead of merely wasting our efforts, energy & expertise on proving each other/each "theory" wrong. I'm saying we should STOP debating over & sensationalising the whole "man versus big bad/unknown nature" blah blah (we are not that far-out, separate identities: man is really one with nature & it doesn't have to be a fight with nature or against fellow men either!) & address the actual issue: that of Global warming (at least, we agree there, regardless of who/what is to be "blamed").
I'M SAYING, WE NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING; THE ONLY THING: TAKE RESPONSIBLE, CONSCIENTIOUS ACTION WITH REGARDS TO THE EARTH NOW & that's ALL!!!
Again, I respect you all for your opinion(s) though & you are most entitled to them too, but you OWE it to yourselves, the rest of us & OUR planet to ensure that they are your OWN & NOT influenced by others, new fads etc. So, go out there & find out the answers for yourselves. And because I believe I merit the same too, I still unapologetically & unashamedly stand by mine, thank you very much.
And PEACE out again.
L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
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There is a difference between Global Warming which is a naturally occurring phenomenon and Anthropological Global Warming. AGW proclaims that MAN is responsible for the changes in global temperatures due to technological and industrial advances; THIS IS THE LIE! There is also a big difference between our planet being sick from pollution, destruction of the rainforest (the earth's lungs) etc and being sick because of MAN in general. We are being told that having children is ecologically irresponsible, that each of us is leaving a carbon footprint that is destroying the planet, that we should feel guilty about breathing and therefore are very existence. There is nothing wrong with being environmentally friendly, stop the clear cutting, recycling etc but we are being taxed and controlled by this all based on complete lies, which the IPCC was caught doing, not once but many times. The proponents of AGW say the debate is over yet scientists continue to debate this bogus theory. Do your own research, don't believe what is being feed to you.
Anthropological Global Warming History
John Coleman, the founder of the Weather Channel, presents an excellent history of the development of the political scam known as anthropological global warming: The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam. The Global Warming myth is less about science than about a confluence of political agendas mascarading as science. In the end, even the founder of the AGW scam had doubts:
There he had time to rethink Carbon Dioxide and the greenhouse effect. The man who had inspired Al Gore and given the UN the basic research it needed to launch its Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was having second thoughts. In 1988 he wrote two cautionary letters to members of Congress. He wrote, “My own personal belief is that we should wait another 10 or 20 years to really be convinced that the greenhouse effect is going to be important for human beings, in both positive and negative ways.” He added, “…we should be careful not to arouse too much alarm until the rate and amount of warming becomes clearer.”
Alas, he soon died and his warnings ignored. Too much power to be had by nobodies like Al Gore. Read the article. You will be amazed at how a group of bureaucrats and nobodies can foist a global-scale hoax on the world to suit their individual power agendas.
http://reformedmusings.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/anthropological-global-warming-history/
The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam
By John Coleman
January 28, 2009 (Revised and edited February 11, 2009)
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/38574742.html
James Hansen, head of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies one of the main cheerleaders for the AGW theory told us back in the 1970's that we were headed for an ICE AGE. That did not occur and he quickly switched to this new AGW theory. It is time to realize we are being lied to, this global warming BS has almost become a new religion, all based on skewed data and manipulated computer models.
The author of Jurassic Park also wrote a book on this subject. Michael Crichton's book "State Of Fear" is a work of fiction but he wrote this book after extensive research and looking at the data that has been used. He also believed that AGW was complete BS, until his death in 2008.
In 2004, Crichton published State of Fear, a novel concerning eco-terrorists who attempt mass murder to support their views. Global warming and climate change serve as a central theme to the novel, and in Appendix I of the book, Crichton warns both sides of the global warming debate against the politicization of science. He provides two examples of the disastrous combination of pseudo-science and politics, the early 20th-century idea of eugenics, which allowed for the Holocaust, and Lysenkoism. The novel had an initial print run of 1.5 million copies and reached the #1 bestseller position at Amazon.com and #2 on the New York Times Best Seller list for one week in January 2005.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton
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According to what TS said I think we have to count the fullmoons for guessing the BAMsday
Here's what I found: (Please if I wrong the post can you move in a proper topic? TY :))
06/25/2009 "Death"
7 fullmoons = 12/31/2009
9 fullmoons = 02/28/2010
07/07/2009 Memorial
7 fullmoons = 01/30/2010
9 fullmoons = 03/30/2010
09/03/2009 Burial
7 fullmoons = 02/28/2010
9 fullmoons = 04/28/2010
09/09/2009 999
7 fullmoons = 30/03/2010
9 fullmoons = 28/05/2010
Well there are only 2 date that repeats in 7 and 9 full moons:
02/28/2010 -> 9 full moons from the "death" e 7 full moons from the burial:
03/30/2010 -> 9 full moons from the memorial e 7 full moons from the 9-9-09 (9 from 7.07 e 7 from 9.09)
30 March! 30 + 03 + 2010 = 2043 -> 2+4+3=9!
Or 3 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 9! nonchè 333
Or more 30-03-10 3+3+1=7
The three 9
9 full moons from the memorial
9 months from the "death"
9 as sum of the numbers of the date
What do you think? It can be?
P.S. Sorry for bad english
P.P.S. I apologize if someone already done it :)
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:P Dear Souza Hi how are You?
I heard the same thing, I think it was on the David Letterman Show... do You know that American Show?? well he had a guest from somewhere that described exactly that ( at least I am pretty sure it was on there, and he said that the big powerful countries purchase those credits from other countries to off set all the things they say to the jpublic that they are doing in an effort to stop global warming but still carrying on with all the same things, but most public don't know this and believe in their governements.
so thanks agian for all YOur great work!!
take care and love L.O.V.E to everyone here!!
MIchelle ;)
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TS, in your post, you referred to hints. I don't understand the rationale behind hinting. Why not be direct?
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TS are you going to post anymore or was 3/14/10 your last post?
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Thank u very much TS,excellent post,also thank u Mo and Souza for your great job,this post was very important for me,i've recently been very sad and down about all this and this awsome post about the murder and hoax theories encouraged me a lot,keep doing what u do, it's appreciated a lot,kisses.
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paciente it's all we need I'll be waiting I have all the time of the world just for see michael revindicated
not where, WHY
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TS
it's time to show that you are not kidding .. Give us the proof that Mike will return
thanks :(
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Lady clio,
What makes you think TS is kidding?
Do you think he or she would of gone to great lengths to give us the posts he or she did.
I for one am sitting with baited breath for this to finish unfolding, we will all found out
at the same time, and as for proof that Michael will return, I would LOVE for TS to supply that
but for some reason just a smigden of a reason I think TS is connected to this hoax, Michael, or has the
knowledge of what is taking place............
Please be patient, and know that everything is in perfect order on this....
REMEMBER.......
It's all for L.O.V.E
:) :) :) :) :) :)
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TS
it's time to show that you are not kidding .. Give us the proof that Mike will return
thanks :(
Agreed. This hinting and unfolding seems like toying.