Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Michael Joe Jackson ~ Michael Joseph Jackson => Topic started by: MJJ1982 on March 12, 2010, 02:57:32 PM
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I've posted this already in another topic, but I think it's worth to look at.
IMO there are 2 things possible:
1) He was born as Michael JOE Jackson
2) He was born as Michael JOSEPH Jackson, but changed his name into Michael JOE Jackson. Which I don't think, because he was too young to change his name during Motown era.
In both ways, his name on the DC has to be JOE, and not JOSEPH like it says now...
His DL and passport both say JOE.
Please read:
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Birth Date and Legal Presence and True Full Name Requirements
Why Is DMV So Careful About Identification?
The issue of identification—its reliability, integrity, confidentiality, etc. —is of prime concern to all citizens. The eligibility for government services, the issuance of various licenses, the assessment of taxes, the right to vote, etc., are all determined through evaluations based on identification documents.
It is critical that identification documents and systems be authentic and accurate in order to positively and uniquely identify each individual. The California legislature has declared the California driver license (DL) and identification (ID) card as the primary identification documents in this state. California state law requires that all applicants for an original California DL/ID card submit proof of legal presence in the United States (U.S.) as authorized under federal law. Your true full name, as shown on your legal presence document and/or your name change document, will appear on your DL/ID card. These requirements help safeguard the accuracy and integrity of the documents issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV).
Do You Need to Replace Documents?
If you need to replace or obtain your birth date/legal presence document, refer to the Vital Statistics information on the outside panels or http://www.vitalrec.com (http://www.vitalrec.com). Immigration-related service and benefit functions of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) transitioned into the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). The customer service phone number and website for USCIS is listed on the back panel.
Identity Requirements For an Original DL/ID Card
When you apply for an original California DL/ID card, you must present:
•An acceptable birth date/legal presence (BD/LP) document(s).
•An acceptable true full name document if the name of your BD/LP document is different from the name on your DL/ID card application.•Your Social Security number (SSN). It will be verified with the Social Security Administration (SSA) while you are in the DMV office. You must also provide verification of your SSN to change an existing SSN on DMV’s date base.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/fa ... ffdl05.htm (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffdl05.htm)
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Thank you for sorting this out!
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Thank you for sharing the information with us MJJ
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he was born Joseph and changed to Joe and the dead man is Joseph, not Joe... ;)
(if there really is a dead man...) :roll:
i saw a video of he saying or writing Michael Joseph Jackson with 7 years. and i saw a video of TMZ (again!) answer to a fan (or a lot of fans) question about this and they say: HIS LEGAL NAME IS JOE!
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On the BMI website, which lists all the songs he wrote, he is listed as Joe, not Joseph....just sayin'! Official ownership of his songs with them would be very specific, I would think, as there are other Michael Jackson's also listed....and the songs listed under Michael Joe Jackson are Michael's songs...
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he was born Joseph and changed to Joe and the dead man is Joseph, not Joe... ;)
(if there really is a dead man...) :roll:
i saw a video of he saying or writing Michael Joseph Jackson with 7 years. and i saw a video of TMZ (again!) answer to a fan (or a lot of fans) question about this and they say: HIS LEGAL NAME IS JOE!
Do you know what video it was? Because I don't believe that he was born as Joseph. Why would daddy Joe sign Michael's Motown contract with Joe then?
I think he changed his artist name into Joseph around the period that he 'fired' Joe. He was struggling with his identity, he said there was a vague boundary between his private life and his life as an artist, and that's why I think he changed his name.
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Here ya go:
[youtube:1emvbatr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djY3a3P2FYc[/youtube:1emvbatr]
[youtube:1emvbatr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wITVoHtVUo4[/youtube:1emvbatr]
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'Yes, we do' :lol:
Thank you Mo for posting. I've never seen the second part.
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I thought this (below) is most interesting too, So, for those of you who haven't seen it yet...
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 10, 2010
It's Joe, According To The Passport
This will be the first of two articles on the GMA bodyguard interview. But in this first one, we will not point to anything that the bodyguards said, rather, what was briefly shown on the screen.
We have seen old copies of driver's licenses on the FBI report, and have yearned to see a form of identification that was CURRENT.
Well, a current passport would fit the bill!
For unknown reasons, Michael Jackson's PASSPORT flashed on the screen while they were discussing his finances..something unrelated to a passport. Did you see it?
Here is the screen shot. (click to enlarge). Many thanks to bmclane for finding this in the video, appoximately 3 minutes in:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kvYJOjDaKfI/S5gMpeMqcmI/AAAAAAAAArg/_VzWryMUnKA/s400/currentpassport.jpg)
It is an image from the passport overlayed over a $100 bill. (This time no doubt a REAL hundred dollar bill. :) ) You can watch the video here:
* [SORRY: I CAN'T EMBED THE VIDEO HERE: PLEASE GO TO THE LINK BELOW TO WATCH IT]
The passport expires 10/18/2013, roughly 4 years after the burial. Oh, and for fans of the Joseph vs. Joe debate, the passport lists "Joe" as the middle name.
Posted by SeeingClues at 1:11 PM
* The link for the above is found here: http://seeingclues.blogspot.com/2010/03/its-joe-according-to-passport.html
L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
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I've seen it, but thank you for posting!
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so go on speculating about his name... I really think it is not that relevant... here you have two COURT videos where he has to state his name. First you have the Dangerous court case, where he states his name as "Michael JOSEPH Jackson" ; the second one verdict announcement, where he´s named as "Michael JOE Jackson".
I think bouth versions are legal!
-Dangerous court case:
[youtube:pswlg5th]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnQh9cdebm0[/youtube:pswlg5th]
- verdict announcement:
[youtube:pswlg5th]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi8HCUp_f5c[/youtube:pswlg5th]
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so go on speculating about his name... I really think it is not that relevant... here you have two COURT videos where he has to state his name. First you have the Dangerous court case, where he states his name as "Michael JOSEPH Jackson" ; the second one verdict announcement, where he´s named as "Michael JOE Jackson".
I think bouth versions are legal!
-Dangerous court case:
[youtube:1o1pu18a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnQh9cdebm0[/youtube:1o1pu18a]
- verdict announcement:
[youtube:1o1pu18a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi8HCUp_f5c[/youtube:1o1pu18a]
Well, it's very simple.
In the first case (Dangerous) he's involved as Michael Joseph Jackson, the artist, and in the second one as Michael Joe Jackson, his private and real name.
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Well, it's very simple.
In the first case (Dangerous) he's involved as Michael Joseph Jackson, the artist, and in the second one as Michael Joe Jackson, his private and real name.
Wow, I never thought of it that way, but you might be right!
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Well, it's very simple.
In the first case (Dangerous) he's involved as Michael Joseph Jackson, the artist, and in the second one as Michael Joe Jackson, his private and real name.
Wow, I never thought of it that way, but you might be right!
You & me both, Kuki!!!
Hmmm...now that's an :idea: (In the light of which, the video where TMZ addresses the question regarding "Joe versus Joseph" makes more sense too!) Tks, MJJ1982; much appreciated :)
L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
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Ok, could be ...
but then, way the FBI files state him as Michael JOSEPH Jackson ... I still think that there is to much interpeted into the whole Joseph vs. Joe thing and doesn´t make so much difference which is where used.
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Ok, could be ...
but then, way the FBI files state him as Michael JOSEPH Jackson ... I still think that there is to much interpeted into the whole Joseph vs. Joe thing and doesn´t make so much difference which is where used.
Don't agree, they use the real name in court, as written on his legal presence/name change document/id, and never shorten the name. http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com ... 004ind.pdf (http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/jacko/camj43004ind.pdf)
So there's no way that his real name is Michael Joseph Jackson, unless all the official documents that we've seen are fake (the ones with Joe on it), and that also would mean that Katherine didn't tell the truth. And I don't think that's the case ;)
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MJJ1982 would you be so kind to explain to my, why on the marriage certificat with LMP he is listed as Michael Joseph Jackson. Sure I was already discussed in another topic here. I wouldn´t like to hear, that this marriage wasn´t really - or only like you say, only with the singer Michael Jackson... not the privat person. You know what I mean, it would devastate me as we all were trying to believe this marriage between them was true and not only from her part... :roll: thank you
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not the privat person. You know what I mean, it would devastate me as we all were trying to believe this marriage between them was true and not only from her part... :roll: thank you
You shouldn't consider his life to be the fan's life .. wether it was a fake or true marriage isn't your bisuness , I don't think you would like anyone to judge your marriage ...
sorry i had to write that ..
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Who says that we saw the real footage and the real document?
I'm not saying his marriage wasn't real, but I think he kept his private things private, and his public (artist) things public.
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EXCUSE ME "ROFL" :o
If you would read all my posts considering this topic (yeah and I didn´t write many in this hoax forum by the way!) you would see, that I am saying that the whole WHICH NAME DID HE USE??? doesn´t matter to me!!! and I think they are both legal - after MJJ1982 went on responding to my post (thank you), I was just asking because he/she writes that the "real" Michael is only stateted with JOE not JOSEPH??? And don´t talk with me like that - because I´m the last one who wants to now every private thing of Michael!!! Gosh it was just a statement of me, that I don´t think this JOE vs. JOSEPH thing is SO relevant! Others here in the topic are more nosy than me about all the legal papers of Michael!
Thank you, I think this was my last post in this forum :!:
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This is a good video about MJ's name being Michael Joe Jackson. It shows his passports and also his motown ID card as a child signed as Michael Joe Jackson. I guess the FBI files also had the name Michael Joe Jackson but the death certificate say Michael Joseph Jackson. Also on the Jackson movie the mom says Michael Joe Jackson when he is born. Jermaine Jackson was a cosultant on this movie so I don't think they would lie about his name in the film. I don't see how a person could go back and forth changing their middle name unless he recently changed it legally to Michael Joseph Jackson which I doubt he did. I'm sorry but I think a real death certificate should have the person's complete legal name. It's just like any other celeb say for instance Brad Pitt. His full legal name is William Bradley Pitt. So when he got divorced I'm sure that's the name on the legal document not his actor name. Anyway here's the video also some good stuff on here with Harvey discussing the legal terms of the will but not addressing the death certificate. To me that's saying the death certificate is not legitimate besides the fact that it was also signed by his sister.
[youtube:2zjn5sqy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI0tS5DBwlE[/youtube:2zjn5sqy]
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I totally think it doesnt matter if Michael used Joseph or Joe as a middle name or even both. All legal in my eyes!!!
I have signed my name with just my first and last, then with my first, middle and last and then also with my first, middle as an initial and then last. So 3 ways.
I think it is definately Joseph but sometimes he went by Joe. After all Michael said himself that he called his dad Joseph because he wanted to be called that (acting like a big man, you cannot call me dad or daddy)
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I have signed my name with just my first and last, then with my first, middle and last and then also with my first, middle as an initial and then last. So 3 ways.
May I ask you what things you've signed in 3 different ways?
Because I think it's clear which name appears on your drivers license or passport:
Your true full name, as shown on your legal presence document and/or your name change document, will appear on your DL/ID card.
And it's really not possible to use another name under oath in court.
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I have signed my name with just my first and last, then with my first, middle and last and then also with my first, middle as an initial and then last. So 3 ways.
May I ask you what things you've signed in 3 different ways?
Because I think it's clear which name appears on your drivers license or passport:
Your true full name, as shown on your legal presence document and/or your name change document, will appear on your DL/ID card.
And it's really not possible to use another name under oath in court.
Well iam not married but i have signed cheques differently does that count?
My driver's licence has just my first and last name but i have used my middle initial on say my
SIN card number and other things. Bank accounts i use my first, middle and last name.
Sometimes i prefer to use just the initial in my middle name other times i will use the entire middle name. Even when purchasing something like a car or whatever
When i have signed my name on a credit card receipt sometimes i use the full name and sometimes not and never been questioned.
Never been to court so dont know about that
I also own registered animals i put them in my name using just middle initial but other times i leave it out.
My birth certificate however shows my entire name - first, middle and last
Does this make sense?
I use 3 names on my stuff and consider it all legal. Maybe it is more lenient in Canada?
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Well iam not married but i have signed cheques differently does that count?
My driver's licence has just my first and last name but i have used my middle initial on say my
SIN card number and other things. Bank accounts i use my first, middle and last name.
Sometimes i prefer to use just the initial in my middle name other times i will use the entire middle name. Even when purchasing something like a car or whatever
When i have signed my name on a credit card receipt sometimes i use the full name and sometimes not and never been questioned.
Never been to court so dont know about that
I also own registered animals i put them in my name using just middle initial but other times i leave it out.
My birth certificate however shows my entire name - first, middle and last
Does this make sense?
I use 3 names on my stuff and consider it all legal. Maybe it is more lenient in Canada?
This comes from the website of the government in California:
Your true full name, as shown on your legal presence document and/or your name change document, will appear on your DL/ID card.
So maybe the rules where you live are different?
I was once in court (as a victim) and they asked my true full name, as shown on my birth certificate. I live in the Netherlands, but it works worldwide like that. I've never seen that they used a deterioration in court.
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so go on speculating about his name... I really think it is not that relevant... here you have two COURT videos where he has to state his name. First you have the Dangerous court case, where he states his name as "Michael JOSEPH Jackson" ; the second one verdict announcement, where he´s named as "Michael JOE Jackson".
I think bouth versions are legal!
-Dangerous court case:
[youtube:2zwfip60]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnQh9cdebm0[/youtube:2zwfip60]
- verdict announcement:
[youtube:2zwfip60]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi8HCUp_f5c[/youtube:2zwfip60]
Well, it's very simple.
In the first case (Dangerous) he's involved as Michael Joseph Jackson, the artist, and in the second one as Michael Joe Jackson, his private and real name.
and is it legal to have two official names for one person? :shock:
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Not only was it the marriage to LMP, but also on the birth cert. for his 3 kids. I was listening to some of the videos you posted, and I could listen to MJ's voice :D forever.
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Well, what about Prince's birth certificate...his name is Michael Joseph Jackson JR. Both names are different....with Joseph...
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/ ... 72-465.jpg (http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9300000/Prince-s-PASSPORT-prince-michael-jackson-9347423-872-465.jpg)