Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: Smooth-Criminal on March 11, 2010, 01:24:43 AM
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Hi everyone! I want to share this with you:
In the intervew, when they start talking about Michael's death there's an interesting and maybe a hoax-worthy statement from a bodyguard while the others just agreed with him. He said something like "It appeared few times that he was on something (...) He was different. Something was not right at the moment"
Boy, something's definitely not right... I mean, why would Michael be different? If it was an accidental drug overdose or even murder, he was far from knowing he was going to die anyway.
And by the way, I want to say IMO I do not believe those guys were lying. Actually you could see them getting very emotional over the whole thing, they were genuine and they were not payed for that interview. If Michael is alive I'm 100% sure they don't know about the hoax.
Go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hstJNpg-4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hstJNpg-4) at 6:42.
Your thoughts?
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Well I had watched the second part of this intereview this moring and was really dissapointed. Because I think about 90% of what they said is not accurate, and the other 10% is half right, as far as him being on something that I believe, in several photos and videos throughout the years I had noticed his eyes gave him away, he looked out of it sometimes. Now the list of what I believe they are lying about.
1. In part 2 all of them say Micheal was broke, that he could not even afford to go to a celebration for Jesse Jackson, that Jesse had to flip the bill, that on several occasions they were kicked out of hotels for non payment, and finally claiming that they were at one time not paid for 4 months, but decided to stay with Michael even without pay anyway.
If Micheal was broke then how could he:
Rent the masion in Hombly Hills?
Travel the world with his children?
Go to all of these fast food restaurants?
Afford the vacation home in Vegas?
Afford all the doctors (and the restruction of his nose from Dr. Klien) which he surely charged Michael for.
2.The drugs they claim he was asking for, and apparently not knowing that several women standing on a street were prostitutes.
I highly doubt he would be asking for drugs from bodyguards.
He wrote the song street walker many years ago, I think he knew what they were obviously.
I have many more things that do not mesh that they said but it would make my entry way to long. To sume this all up, I hope all 3 of them can find a new career, because they just ruined there current positions as bodyguards. After opening their mouths about a ex clients business, no high profile person would trust to hire them, to much of a risk of your personal business wether made up or real getting leaked. A good bodyguard never reveals personal business while on the payroll of a client or not on the payroll any longer, I think these guys should watch the movie "Bodyguard" maybe they may learn something from Kevin Costner on how to be a professional bodyguard. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Funnily enough... Streetwalker isn't about a prostitute... it's a about a girl who litteraly walked down the street past his place every day that he was enamoured with. Read the lyrics.
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I have many more things that do not mesh that they said but it would make my entry way to long. To sume this all up, I hope all 3 of them can find a new career, because they just ruined there current positions as bodyguards. After opening their mouths about a ex clients business, no high profile person would trust to hire them, to much of a risk of your personal business wether made up or real getting leaked. A good bodyguard never reveals personal business while on the payroll of a client or not on the payroll any longer, I think these guys should watch the movie "Bodyguard" maybe they may learn something from Kevin Costner on how to be a professional bodyguard.
That sounds logical, but not living in the US, I do not know how those things are being done there, I mean, someone must have authorized them to speak out on MJ. ( :D MJ himself, that would be the deal, but IDK).
I have a question to english mothertongue members :?: :?: ; does " he was on to something" definately and only refer to medication? I thought of a possible translation like; he was busy with something, he had something on his mind, he was planning something.
Thanks for helping! :D
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My question is why were they even on the Television giving an interview in the first place???
why could't they just keep their mouths shut and get on with their lives?
oh i forgot where there's lies there's MONEY
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Hi everyone! I want to share this with you:
In the intervew, when they start talking about Michael's death there's an interesting and maybe a hoax-worthy statement from a bodyguard while the others just agreed with him. He said something like "It appeared few times that he was on something (...) He was different. Something was not right at the moment"
Boy, something's definitely not right... I mean, why would Michael be different? If it was an accidental drug overdose or even murder, he was far from knowing he was going to die anyway.
And by the way, I want to say IMO I do not believe those guys were lying. Actually you could see them getting very emotional over the whole thing, they were genuine and they were not payed for that interview. If Michael is alive I'm 100% sure they don't know about the hoax.
Go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hstJNpg-4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hstJNpg-4) at 6:42.
Your thoughts?
I agree, and the thought crossed my mind too hearing that remark. That he appeared on something and that there was a change in his demeanor. This is consistent with other observations during the last couple of weeks: security being doubled/tripled/quadroupled, Michael increasingly not showing up on several rehearsals, fans stating they were not allowed to get in touch with him anymore, family stating Michael was being isolated from them and so on. There definately was SOMETHING going on in the last couple of weeks, making an "accident" highly unlikely.
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My question is why were they even on the Television giving an interview in the first place???
why could't they just keep their mouths shut and get on with their lives?
oh i forgot where there's lies there's MONEY
yeap with you all the way - easter soon eh - 30 pieces of silver - oh yes
so why werent they there on the faithful day, why?
they are very presumptive of their positions - so what if the tv station did not pay for the interview - they probably wouldnt
but are they working now - doubtful
their too busy getting someone to write a tell all (lies/secrets) to make money
but are you going to buy this book?
isnt this book like the one Ian wrote - mj unmasked
they dont have any idea about mike medical history but say unqualified statements about him looking out of it - this will do more harm than good
are they going to give evidence at the trial? nope - they have got someone to write a book
a lot of the hoaxers thought that their comments about mike kissing in the back seat was good news, why - the comments that followed were pure sensational, producing notes paris wrote, what else
its seems that they were lucky getting their jobs with mike but they are not professionals, surely they are unhireable now that they leak such information
well they can smile and giggle and do what ever - enjoy your 10minutes enjoy your percentage of the sales, but your not getting my money
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I still don't understand why so many of you approve of these bodyguards blabbing all about their former client.
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one other thing one of them states that he drew his weapon at randy jackson,
if i was mike i would not be too happy that my bodyguard did not recognise a family member and would drew a "gun" on of them
and he has the nerve to broadcast this BS on tv - harmful and concerning to the family
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Someone must have given them the authority to speak out, I guess.
BTW, does "being on something" automatically refer to medication,drugs and stuff or could it also mean "being busy on something, "planning something".
Thank you,native speakers!
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Someone must have given them the authority to speak out, I guess.
BTW, does "being on something" automatically refer to medication,drugs and stuff or could it also mean "being busy on something, "planning something".
Thank you,native speakers!
I also wondered whether he said "on something" or "on TO something", it's difficult to hear.
Being "on to something" is planning something.
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Someone must have given them the authority to speak out, I guess.
BTW, does "being on something" automatically refer to medication,drugs and stuff or could it also mean "being busy on something, "planning something".
Thank you,native speakers!
Yes, "on something" usually refers to being on medication or street drugs.
Even if someone said, "on TO something" that usually means that they have an idea or a lead to something else.
Like we may be "on to something" with thinking that this "death" is a hoax.
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arent these guards form vegas and not from june 25th
I think they are discussing things that happen when he was in vegas and not when he was in la during the weeks before his death(hoax).
this was the first interview in a few weeks that got true airplay on many tv stations and online as well since abc was the interviewer.
to me this was start of an image repair, they are also letting the media turn around how they discuss michael, now they will have to show a little compasion and michael has the media doing all the work.
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arent these guards form vegas and not from june 25th
I think they are discussing things that happen when he was in vegas and not when he was in la during the weeks before his death(hoax).
this was the first interview in a few weeks that got true airplay on many tv stations and online as well since abc was the interviewer.
to me this was start of an image repair, they are also letting the media turn around how they discuss michael, now they will have to show a little compasion and michael has the media doing all the work.
I totally agree, I feel like they were directed to do this interview. It is positive in the aspect they show Michael to be a genuine person. It is also sad to hear how he had to constantly have protection and be sheltered.
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Well I had watched the second part of this intereview this moring and was really dissapointed. Because I think about 90% of what they said is not accurate, and the other 10% is half right, as far as him being on something that I believe, in several photos and videos throughout the years I had noticed his eyes gave him away, he looked out of it sometimes. Now the list of what I believe they are lying about.
1. In part 2 all of them say Micheal was broke, that he could not even afford to go to a celebration for Jesse Jackson, that Jesse had to flip the bill, that on several occasions they were kicked out of hotels for non payment, and finally claiming that they were at one time not paid for 4 months, but decided to stay with Michael even without pay anyway.
If Micheal was broke then how could he:
Rent the masion in Hombly Hills?
Travel the world with his children?
Go to all of these fast food restaurants?
Afford the vacation home in Vegas?
Afford all the doctors (and the restruction of his nose from Dr. Klien) which he surely charged Michael for.
2.The drugs they claim he was asking for, and apparently not knowing that several women standing on a street were prostitutes.
I highly doubt he would be asking for drugs from bodyguards.
He wrote the song street walker many years ago, I think he knew what they were obviously.
I have many more things that do not mesh that they said but it would make my entry way to long. To sume this all up, I hope all 3 of them can find a new career, because they just ruined there current positions as bodyguards. After opening their mouths about a ex clients business, no high profile person would trust to hire them, to much of a risk of your personal business wether made up or real getting leaked. A good bodyguard never reveals personal business while on the payroll of a client or not on the payroll any longer, I think these guys should watch the movie "Bodyguard" maybe they may learn something from Kevin Costner on how to be a professional bodyguard. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Oh, I definitely think Michael was broke because 2 + 2 = 4, you can't keep spending like he was when the income wasn't there. If he wasn't broke he would have owned all of his Sony catalog instead of just half. Remember our broke and their broke is two different things. McDonald's outing is far cry from a huge hotel bill. But I digress, I didn't watch all the show so I do not know how much the hotel bill was. There are a lot of actors and entertainers that are broke but can still get virtually anything they want because they are good for the money. You see how the creditors are filing their suits now? Any business man would have know he was good for it, one way or another.
Frankly, I don't think it was all his fault. If you read the interviews from his early days and how most of his managers and whatnot made up schedules, did his business etc I figure they could have helped him manage his money (even though he is a grown man, he can do what he wants). I think he fell prey to yes men that would take his money too.
. and remember this friends, just because Michael was broke does not mean the kids were..lol. If he played his cards right the kids had money that they could spend on their outings etc. Also, many rich people put money in kids names to protect the money from being ravaged by taxes. It is not a bad thing, it is a wonderful thing for the children because if they ever have a crisis the money did not get taxed to death.
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So if Michael was "broke" in that sense that could mean that he was forced (i.e. in need for money) to do the shows and not because he wanted to... We've heard Michael say he doesn't like to tour, although it wouldn't exactly be a tour in the sense that he has to travel around all the time, but still a lot of hardwork. This could mean that Michael was under a huge amount of pressure since he had to do something he might not have wanted to do but still had to go through with it. The pressure might have affected his logical thinking and common sense which resulted in his death :cry: :cry:
This is a theory and I'm not saying that this is what happened but I'm suggesting the possibility. Does it not seem logical? I so want him to be alive but it's getting harder to beLIEve everyday even with all the facts we have. Clues are just not good enough for me so I try looking at facts... There are so many easier ways to fake ones death I belive. Idk, I'm feeling kind of down about all of this... :(
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I really think that this hoax has been in Michael's mind from A LONG TIME AGO and that the 02 concerts (and him eventually not wanting to do them) are not a starter. This is all part of the hoax. So whatever people say you have to read between the lines and think hoax. The family also said that something was not right but they smiled at the Memorial. There is always something that comes to counterbalance all the "negative clues".
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Idk, the more I watch the memorial the more I see a family in grief but in their own ways... Someone posted a pic of hatman on another thread but what I paid more attention to was a young girl looking heartbroken (think it might been one of Michael's nieces) and another relative (not sure if it was one of the brothers or some other relative) wipeing his tears away with a handcharchief... :cry: :cry: I wonder if others were too focused on hatman to see this. Idk, I just wanna be sure that I'm not in denial and staying objective because I want truth. It scares me that we might not get any answers at all :( . These last weeks I've been quite calm and haven't worried too much but then sometimes it just hits you. This week has been emotional, you know the the thought of: what if...?
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Michael wasn't broke. He could've paid all his bills with the money his "people" was swindling from his account into their off shore bank accounts Tohme Tohme, Dileo, & all the boys in da hood, and using for God knows what purposes.
I do believe and would almost be willing to swear that Michael's life had been threatened to the point where a drastic move HAD to be made during the last 3 days of TII rehearsals and that is what set in motion the movie/dvd production, with the increased security around etc.. This Is It - the Movie was not done by accident. For that reason, because I truly believe they gave themselves a 72 hour window to shut things down, I don't believe Michael is dead. I believe he was removed out of harm's way in the only way it could be assured that no one, especially the culprits, would be looking for him. Michael had to die in the eyes of those who were after him, which would end the pursuit and the threats and thwart any future plans.
My opinion. Just mine. :|
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Michael wasn't broke. He could've paid all his bills with the money his "people" was swindling from his account into their off shore bank accounts Tohme Tohme, Dileo, & all the boys in da hood, and using for God knows what purposes.
I do believe and would almost be willing to swear that Michael's life had been threatened to the point where a drastic move HAD to be made during the last 3 days of TII rehearsals and that is what set in motion the movie/dvd production, with the increased security around etc.. This Is It - the Movie was not done by accident. For that reason, because I truly believe they gave themselves a 72 hour window to shut things down, I don't believe Michael is dead. I believe he was removed out of harm's way in the only way it could be assured that no one, especially the culprits, would be looking for him. Michael had to die in the eyes of those who were after him, which would end the pursuit and the threats and thwart any future plans.
My opinion. Just mine. :|
Agree...although I don't understand where you get the 72 hour window from
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I still don't understand why so many of you approve of these bodyguards blabbing all about their former client.
i havent watched or read the interview for that exact reason, i refuse to listen to anymore bullshit from all these "people" that he supposedly trusted, blab out about him for a couple for bucks, to me they were bodyguards thats it, people need to learn to shut the hell up and stop blabbing around his life, was there anyone he could trust besides mac and liz? gosh!
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I totally agree "hesoutamylife"! This is the most believable for me. Whatever the threat was they realized they were going to have to make a movie those last 2 weeks and shut the concerts down. That is why so much security as well as not letting the fan followers get too close to him. They kept things really tight in order to get what they needed for the movie and then put the hoax into action. With that many powerful people around him they would be able to convince the authorities it was the only option. The events that unfold next are just for show and that's a wrap. The King of Pop is indeed gone so there is a loss on a certain level and poor Michael's life won't be the same. That is why there is some sadness mixed with a lack of emotion for some. We won't ever see the King of Pop again as he has been laid to rest however time will tell as to whether we'll see Michael. In some ways that doesn't bother me. More than anything I want him to be out of danger and still able to be a father to his kids and healthy. If that is the case and he's ok I will be happy enough with that.
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So if Michael was "broke" in that sense that could mean that he was forced (i.e. in need for money) to do the shows and not because he wanted to... We've heard Michael say he doesn't like to tour, although it wouldn't exactly be a tour in the sense that he has to travel around all the time, but still a lot of hardwork. This could mean that Michael was under a huge amount of pressure since he had to do something he might not have wanted to do but still had to go through with it. The pressure might have affected his logical thinking and common sense which resulted in his death :cry: :cry:
This is a theory and I'm not saying that this is what happened but I'm suggesting the possibility. Does it not seem logical? I so want him to be alive but it's getting harder to beLIEve everyday even with all the facts we have. Clues are just not good enough for me so I try looking at facts... There are so many easier ways to fake ones death I belive. Idk, I'm feeling kind of down about all of this... :(
It was going to be a tour all over the world according to his contract. Firts there were the London shows and afterwards they wanted to go on tour...all over the world like it would have been in London, so some shows at the same place...Travis Payne was also talking about it in an interview. I completely agree with you and still think that there are more facts which underline that he is dead than alive. Sorry for that
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I believed what they said and I belive they were genuine and they were talking about the 2 or 3 years that they wit Mj at his Las vegas homeI not holmby hills. Iam glad they are talking they let you see the side of MJ a person what he was going through.
If they do write a book I will read it becasuse they seem genuine and you could tell and feel that they care about MJ.
Yes the did not get paid for months so what do that tell you about them, they were humbled men and they became more the MJ's body guards. You guys have my support.
God Bless the 3 body guards]
"God Bless MJ and most of all Mj's children. You can tell that Mike did a great job at raising his kids.
Cant say that about a lot of other celbs.
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I still don't understand why so many of you approve of these bodyguards blabbing all about their former client.
i havent watched or read the interview for that exact reason, i refuse to listen to anymore bullshit from all these "people" that he supposedly trusted, blab out about him for a couple for bucks, to me they were bodyguards thats it, people need to learn to shut the hell up and stop blabbing around his life, was there anyone he could trust besides mac and liz? gosh!
Chris hasn't said a word as far as I know. But I agree as well, I've only seen clips and I'm not sure I want to watch the whole thing. They had to get paid, I don't see why else they would've come out of nowhere basically. Unless... they were directed to by the one behind all this... ;)
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I still don't understand why so many of you approve of these bodyguards blabbing all about their former client.
Because people want all and any info on MJ. Even if it's not true they will listen and consider it lol