Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: farhatmjj on March 08, 2010, 09:07:18 AM
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many have been discussing this lately. i just wanted to know all of your opinions about this. sometimes i feel like someone is playing a sick mind game on us with the clues and evidences. like - the This Is It movie could very well be a set up to make us believe there are clues are in it when they were not meant to be clues. may be Michael was really talking to the dancers when he said "it's a great adventure". may be there's nothing called "bamsday" as he didn't mean anything when he was saying it. they put that part in the end intentionally to make it feel like a clue.
many even believe Michael was indeed killed by the illuminati and they're just trying to cover it all up by the hoax theories. point to be noted, as we believe the media is completely controlled by illuminati, if they actually killed him they can control our minds with all the clues.
i don't know what to think anymore. how far can this really go? are we fooling ourselves?
please share your thoughts. i really need to talk. :cry:
love to all.
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i'm sorry but what do you mean?
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Aww Farhat! Please, don't get too confused! Being a believer is difficult. There is no proof he is alive. But there is no proof he is dead either.
Just take a step back. Turn off your computer, go take a walk, watch a movie, read a book. Just nothing MJ-related. And when you're all fresh again, come back here and take a look at all the news from the past couple of days and all the facts we've gathered!
1. Murray trial at easter
2. All the stuff going on in Hayvenhurst (PP&B could be leaving, off to live with their dad)
3. The lack of emotions in the Jackson family
4. The moving body bag
5. Fake ambulance pic
If the illuminati did kill MJ, there wouldn't be a moving body bag.
Please take care, stay sane!
HUGS!
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Aww Farhat! Please, don't get too confused! Being a believer is difficult. There is no proof he is alive. But there is no proof he is dead either.
Just take a step back. Turn off your computer, go take a walk, watch a movie, read a book. Just nothing MJ-related. And when you're all fresh again, come back here and take a look at all the news from the past couple of days and all the facts we've gathered!
1. Murray trial at easter
2. All the stuff going on in Hayvenhurst (PP&B could be leaving, off to live with their dad)
3. The lack of emotions in the Jackson family
4. The moving body bag
5. Fake ambulance pic
If the illuminati did kill MJ, there wouldn't be a moving body bag.
Please take care, stay sane!
HUGS!
aww thank you Chamone... :) but they could have been lifting the body up... geeeeeez, i know when i feel down i doubt everything! :roll: the family is the only thing that keeps me believing, but Jermaine has been shading tears in interviews as well these days... the way he said "Michael can't come back" in that vid... :( thanks anyways.
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Aww Farhat! Please, don't get too confused! Being a believer is difficult. There is no proof he is alive. But there is no proof he is dead either.
Just take a step back. Turn off your computer, go take a walk, watch a movie, read a book. Just nothing MJ-related. And when you're all fresh again, come back here and take a look at all the news from the past couple of days and all the facts we've gathered!
1. Murray trial at easter
2. All the stuff going on in Hayvenhurst (PP&B could be leaving, off to live with their dad)
3. The lack of emotions in the Jackson family
4. The moving body bag
5. Fake ambulance pic
If the illuminati did kill MJ, there wouldn't be a moving body bag.
Please take care, stay sane!
HUGS!
aww thank you Chamone... :) but they could have been lifting the body up... geeeeeez, i know when i feel down i doubt everything! :roll: the family is the only thing that keeps me believing, but Jermaine has been shading tears in interviews as well these days... the way he said "Michael can't come back" in that vid... :( thanks anyways.
You are right, they could have been lifting the body up... To replace it with a surf board. :mrgreen:
Jermaine did say that MJ can't come back. He also said that MJ was not with us, before he went to the airport. Errrm, hospital! :mrgreen:
So as you see, for every con, there is a pro.
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The family are the only ones I see as a legit source of clues. They would never play with our minds, I dont see why they would do so.
All the others, like Sony and AEG, can and would provide us with fake clues to keep us busy so we won't investigate a murder IF Michael indeed was killed by them ( :( ).
Anyway I'm not losing hope yet, I'm still a believer but I have to admit it's really hard.
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The family are the only ones I see as a legit source of clues. They would never play with our minds, I dont see why they would do so.
All the others, like Sony and AEG, can and would provide us with fake clues to keep us busy so we won't investigate a murder IF Michael indeed was killed by them ( :( ).
Anyway I'm not losing hope yet, I'm still a believer but I have to admit it's really hard.
who is us? How many are we? I mean not all MJ fans believe that hes still alive. It is just a small number. So why would they put effort in things to play with ''us''
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Everyone reacts to close one's death in a different way, but how come the Jackson family seem careless while they were very emotional and supportive during the 2005 trial? And why didn't TII movie include any mentions of Michael's death? Why isn't there an accurate autopsy report? And what about Jermaine's statement in UCLA?
When we are having our doubts (and I am having doubts), we cannot and should not forget everything we've sorted out during the recent months.
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The family are the only ones I see as a legit source of clues. They would never play with our minds, I dont see why they would do so.
All the others, like Sony and AEG, can and would provide us with fake clues to keep us busy so we won't investigate a murder IF Michael indeed was killed by them ( :( ).
Anyway I'm not losing hope yet, I'm still a believer but I have to admit it's really hard.
who is us? How many are we? I mean not all MJ fans believe that hes still alive. It is just a small number. So why would they put effort in things to play with ''us''
To keep us busy with investigating the hoax instead of a murder if he was indeed killed.
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I dont think that they have made all the clues on purpose,i dont think that they have anything to gain from it,only hate towardsome them
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Aww Farhat! Please, don't get too confused! Being a believer is difficult. There is no proof he is alive. But there is no proof he is dead either.
Just take a step back. Turn off your computer, go take a walk, watch a movie, read a book. Just nothing MJ-related. And when you're all fresh again, come back here and take a look at all the news from the past couple of days and all the facts we've gathered!
1. Murray trial at easter
2. All the stuff going on in Hayvenhurst (PP&B could be leaving, off to live with their dad)
3. The lack of emotions in the Jackson family
4. The moving body bag
5. Fake ambulance pic
If the illuminati did kill MJ, there wouldn't be a moving body bag.
Please take care, stay sane!
HUGS!
1. Could be planned by illuminati to thing it was planned by MJ. They are not stupid and they investigate him all him life: his symbology, his speeches and other
2. Don't see any point in it, sorry. They just live in the house full of kids - anything can happen.
3. They can be on antidepressants. If you are on drugs you just phisycally cant be sad. btw, they are sectants of Jehova's witness so they are continuosly brainwashed. They are old themselves and can stand it on public.
They are jelous to Michael and now they feel it's their time and you can continue the list and it's more believable than "clues"
4. I watched it many times and I don't see serious moving. And it can be fake bag to mislead media.
5. Fake pic doesn't mean fake death. It just means they didn't get the picture and replace it by fake to make money on it, because the whole world needed some proof.
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1. Could be planned by illuminati to thing it was planned by MJ. They are not stupid and they investigate him all him life: his symbology, his speeches and other
2. Don't see any point in it, sorry. They just live in the house full of kids - anything can happen.
3. They can be on antidepressants. If you are on drugs you just phisycally cant be sad. btw, they are sectants of Jehova's witness so they are continuosly brainwashed. They are old themselves and can stand it on public.
They are jelous to Michael and now they feel it's their time and you can continue the list and it's more believable than "clues"
4. I watched it many times and I don't see serious moving. And it can be fake bag to mislead media.
5. Fake pic doesn't mean fake death. It just means they didn't get the picture and replace it by fake to make money on it, because the whole world needed some proof.
sorry I dont get point 3, could you please explain? thanks
who is us? How many are we? I mean not all MJ fans believe that hes still alive. It is just a small number. So why would they put effort in things to play with ''us''
my thoughts exactly, we're not that many and most of the fans who are investegating are investegating a murder
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okay hold up. i get what you're saying about the illumanti. if this secret society does exist, it's scary as hell and i want out of the US.
and i can totally see your point, that they could covering up, planting "clues" as a distraction.
however, the one thing that gets to me out of all of this is the jackson family.
now venus said anti-depressants can make them appear not sad at all in interviews. sorry, that's completely wrong. i have a lot of friends and family on anti-depressants, and they still have emotions. they can still feel, smile, laugh, cry, get angry, etc. anti-depressants don't make you smile constantly. if you're sad, you can cry. it's not like they block you from emotion, they block you from sinking so deep down into a darkness that you can't get up, feel happy, be motivated to do anything. also, michael's kids, prince in particular, are a big sign to me. he looked so bored at the funeral. i don't know if anyone of you have been to a funeral, but i've never seen anyone look bored, especially when it's your relative (even father). when my grandmother passed, i was a damn running faucet.
so, my point being, you can ignore the entire media if you want. if you think they're giving us a two-faced approach to throw us off of what the truth is, then it's your right to think that way. all i'm saying is, the illumanti can control the media, but have you SEEN the jacksons? there's no way to control those folks. they're fierce. don't lose hope. this process is long, it's confusing as hell, and it's a rollercoaster. take things as they come, but always believe in what kind of greatness michael is capable of!!
much love
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Everyone reacts to close one's death in a different way, but how come the Jackson family seem careless while they were very emotional and supportive during the 2005 trial? And why didn't TII movie include any mentions of Michael's death? Why isn't there an accurate autopsy report? And what about Jermaine's statement in UCLA?
When we are having our doubts (and I am having doubts), we cannot and should not forget everything we've sorted out during the recent months.
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=3316 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=3316)
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As long as you don't have it out from Michael's lips...you will have to LIVE with it. I mean, if he never comes back, you'll have to choose what you want to believe. We can't say whether you're wrong or you're right. Maybe he's been murdered...we don't know ! We only find strange facts that could make us think he is not dead.
Sometime I wonder if HE did not suicide, leaving "Hoax theories clues" to make us think he's not dead, to create a legend, like Elvis hoax death...to be some kind of "immortal" (because no one could know if he is dead or not)
Best way not to die, is to remain alive in people's head :roll:
I mean, there are so many "truth" you could believe...I jut suggest that you choose so one that seems the best for you, and that you just "move on" to your own life. I don't think Mj would have wanted us to ruin our lifes, hoping for "we don't know what"
If he's preparing something, then just wait for this big surprise but I think you shouldn't be wondering too much. Just believe in what you think is YOUR truth, cause you know, we DON'T hav the truth. We all have our own vision, our own feelings. We are just here to WONDER about strange things.
I agree with you about this possibility for the hoax to be a hoax itself, but who knows ? Only Mr Michael J Jackson has the truth in is pocket ;) WE are just "brainstorming" so just feel free ;)
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It's too obscure. There's what? 5000 of us? At the most generous count? Actual number is probably a lot closer to 2000.
If the hoax were a hoax, it would be being pushed HARD. It's not. There's just enough to keep us going... and only for those who bother to look DEEP into events and timelines and documents...
Yes, all signs point to hoax but only when you look for them. When pushing an agenda, you have to remember the lowest common denominator. Most people are going to have to be beat over the head with a full bottle of propofol to get this...
It's obscurity actually tells me that there's more coming, lots more... because the vast majority of people simply aren't going to give up their lives, and plain and simple haven't, to investigate this like many of us have.
So if some sinister evil do-er's wanted to push hoax to cover up a murder... it'd be real in your face and obvious and it's anything but.
Not to mention, the entire Jackson family would have to be a bunch of sick psychopaths with the Liberian Girl stuff and their weird behavior... and I simply do not believe that is realistic.
Also, where'd this sinster evil do-er group get a recording of Michael singing plural "painS" in WYBT for the memorial?
Many other little things like this point to the hoax not being a hoax.
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Oh lastly, if he was murdered, the process at ucla and the coronors would have no reason to be anything but routine, orderly, and timely. Some doc would have signed that properly prepared and produced DC right quick, autopsey produced, toxicology completed, Jackson's private autopsey either supported it (if they're involved) or contradicted it (if not and it's a massive conspiracy sans Jacksons to rid the world of Michael Jackson), he'd be interned neatly, orderly, and in short order, Murray would be quickly ushered away as the fall guy and that would be THAT.
Murder simply doesn't fit at all with the events as they have transpired.
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Great post and very good insights.
I agree with every word within every sentence of your statement except...
So if some sinister evil do-er's wanted to push hoax to cover up a murder... it'd be real in your face and obvious and it's anything but.
When committing the "perfect" murder, petty amateurs leave bird seed trails and fingerprints. Seasoned and ruthless professionals do not. :lol:
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The illuminati, AEG, Sony or whoever doing this hoax just to cover MJ's murder or to make money off of hoax believers. They have already gone to an incredible amount of work, hiring so many players, for what? Loyal MJ fans (hoax and not) are all buying MJ stuff regardless. It would never be worth the minuscule money in the hoax, IMO. I agree Michael may be worth more dead than alive but clearly dead, not with a long drawn elaborate game. Only a heart of love, a genius could do this!!, clearly not for the money but OTHER reasons. HE knows we love him and know him enough to look this closely and this long. It's about faith and love.
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Great post and very good insights.
I agree with every word within every sentence of your statement except...
So if some sinister evil do-er's wanted to push hoax to cover up a murder... it'd be real in your face and obvious and it's anything but.
When committing the "perfect" murder, petty amateurs leave bird seed trails and fingerprints. Seasoned and ruthless professionals do not. :lol:
No no no, meaning if said alleged evil do-ers were hoaxing a hoax in an attempt to cover up a sinister murder plot, to debunk someone else's "what-if".
First of all you're right, so there'd be no need to use anything to cover it up. Second of all... nah nevermind, you debunked this hoaxing a hoax theory better then I ever could with just that, lol.
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The family are the only ones I see as a legit source of clues. They would never play with our minds, I dont see why they would do so.
All the others, like Sony and AEG, can and would provide us with fake clues to keep us busy so we won't investigate a murder IF Michael indeed was killed by them ( :( ).
Anyway I'm not losing hope yet, I'm still a believer but I have to admit it's really hard.
who is us? How many are we? I mean not all MJ fans believe that hes still alive. It is just a small number. So why would they put effort in things to play with ''us''
i think farhat's question is very legitimate just so that we're clear on our answer. @ frogh777 you make a very good point - and a welcomed point.
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Oh lastly, if he was murdered, the process at ucla and the coronors would have no reason to be anything but routine, orderly, and timely. Some doc would have signed that properly prepared and produced DC right quick, autopsey produced, toxicology completed, Jackson's private autopsey either supported it (if they're involved) or contradicted it (if not and it's a massive conspiracy sans Jacksons to rid the world of Michael Jackson), he'd be interned neatly, orderly, and in short order, Murray would be quickly ushered away as the fall guy and that would be THAT.
Murder simply doesn't fit at all with the events as they have transpired.
You are so right, bec! :D :P :lol:
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I never wrote in a topic where is discussed this subject that other leave clues, signs to mislead us, or I don't know for what reason. I'll try now to give you some explanations why it doesn't sustain this
Ok illuminati, I believe they are very busy at high levels, I don't know.. to make money, to rule, but I don't think they waste time with some fans to convince them that MJ is ALIVE.
I must tell you that we are not interesting for them, maybe if we were millions yes.
Then AEG they have business in many domains as I read, not only organizer of shows, they are making money, I don't think they spent time to give us clues, but if they give us through some representatives of them that means that this was and is MJ's plan and they collaborate on this, because This is it, is not This is it ..is This is not it :lol: meaning: THERE IS MORE........ ;)
Some of you here are saying they distract us so we don't investigate the murder, we ?? to investigate a murder? come on this can be made by 2 only :family and police, WE DON'T HAVE ANY POWER, even if we would investigate a murder 10 years. A murder is a serious job, we don't come with videos from youtube as evidence, or TMZ's titles, because the officials won't take them into account.
In fact they won't take us in account not for a second, we were not witness at a crime and we don't have evidences (documents, and many other useful to any murder investigation). I'll remind you, we are not a family member, not Frank Dileo, Thome, Thome etc.. who worked for MJ -they have documents not us. We are fans, yes you can also investigate anything but, if we want to sustain something in a muder case we have to probate, with what? but family, detectives, profesional investigators, police they can.
So, I say this : the only one who is interested in us is MJ ;) then his brothers,.. family so with some help of media and social media MJ spread his messages,also clues, that's how I see all this after 8 months. ;)
I found this video very interesting with Autopsy Report, it was on SeeingClues Tweet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBdY4Mx31EY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBdY4Mx31EY)
and it says something about S.C. Crypt .. but no. number, and shows in video that real one are Crypt no. etc... and I notice that S.C. doesn't exist were is the real one , just the Crypt no. so I start to search what is S.C. ?
I believe I found something which may be correct and if it's real could be a big surprise
I found on Google this :
James Brown's body Placed in South Carolina Crypt, South Carolina is S.C. ;)
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 38,1933765 (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1951&dat=20070311&id=a1AwAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TKsFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2238,1933765)
also when you open this link on right is written James Brown's remains rest on SC island private service and this is a link too, open this one too.
So I'm thinking could this Autopsy Report be of James Brown ? or an inspiration/combination in MJ "death"?
Also in video says about this Autopsy report that MJ slept severals hours in that night. WHAT?? :shock: we know that he didn't sleep 1 second until 11 a.m. when was that with Propofol
And says that Murray put him down on the floor, to resuscitate at arround 12:00 when he discovered MJ didn't breath. We know that he called 911 at 12:21 and the operator after someone was whispering to him said : put him down. So what autopsy report is this ? based on investigation. These are new with MJ sleeping before 11 o'clock and Murray puting him on the floor before 911 call. Pls. watch this video maybe I didn't understand well this part, but the one with SC Crypt I understood.
So maybe someone should search about James Brown's death and Autopsy Report, is it true that Murray was JB's doctor? who give this news in June or July 2009? And even if it's not true then is more clear that the intention was to be made a connection with James B.
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The death of Michael Jackson is a hoax.
Facts, facts, facts abound!
Family NEVER grieved like a family who lost someone suddenly would...and I don't care if it was covered on live TV....a family AND CHILDREN who lost somone unexpectedly WOULD BE GRIEVING whether private or in public. AND they would never allow it to become a circus like is was....it clearly was a great prduction
Same with "planned" tour, movie...ambulance, 911 call, helicopter ride, transport of body, coroner's van, forrest lawn, dr. murray, funeral, memorial, court appearances, tmz, jermaine's "tribute tour", J5 dynasty tv series, J5 website, mj's song lyrics, album covers and content, cris angel.......blah, blah, blah...etc., etc., etc., you get the picture don't you???
He's alive.
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"...always believe in what kind of greatness michael is capable of!!"
This is absolutely right!
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The death of Michael Jackson is a hoax.
Facts, facts, facts abound!
Family NEVER grieved like a family who lost someone suddenly would...and I don't care if it was covered on live TV....a family AND CHILDREN who lost somone unexpectedly WOULD BE GRIEVING whether private or in public. AND they would never allow it to become a circus like is was....it clearly was a great prduction
Same with "planned" tour, movie...ambulance, 911 call, helicopter ride, transport of body, coroner's van, forrest lawn, dr. murray, funeral, memorial, court appearances, tmz, jermaine's "tribute tour", J5 dynasty tv series, J5 website, mj's song lyrics, album covers and content, cris angel.......blah, blah, blah...etc., etc., etc., you get the picture don't you???
He's alive.
I agree with you.Not only that but what I have looked at this whole time like many others is the families reaction.Jermain right from the start with his lil speech at UCLA.I'm sorry but if my brother were to have passed away there would have been NO WAY in hell that I would be able to stand there without a care in the world and announce that my brother has just died,and he did it as if he were calling the family to dinner or something,no tears,no pain on his face, nada.Also I have been searching for ANYTHING on Katherine Jackson that may show she gave an interview or speech since Michaels death and the ONLY one I found was a phone interview with Geraldo,trust me I wasn't convinced.Most of it pertained to papa Joe allowed at Encino and a VERY brief mention of her son being dead.We are talking a 79 year old who did this brief interview 1 month after his death and the way she talked sounded to me IMO as if she were hiding something herself.If my son had been murdered I would be the first in line to show my anger not only towards the culprit but also to anyone else involved.Now people grieve differently and I understand this but as a mother it didn't feel right to me.Then we have CM,LOL who needs to go there,I am just biding my time to see if he honestly gets convicted of this or walks.I 100% believe Michael is alive,will he come back?Will he stay hidden? Nobody knows.Alls we know is that through Michaels death we have learned far more then we ever did during his life,The Illuminati,NWO etc and for me that is serious stuff...
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wow!! great posts by many of you! thank you all. :)
the thing many of you are talking about the importance of "us" makes me think too. though there are like 5000+ members in a facebook group that believes Michael is alive, i'm not sure how many of them are "officially" hoax beLIEvers like us 8-) . as someone said Michael's fans are buying his stuff anyway, whether they believe he's dead or not. so the hoax won't do much for their business. if someone gets any benefit from the hoax is the family. a clear proof is the reality show of the Jack5ons, i think the audience of this show were mostly the beLIEvers. we were looking for clues, slip ups and may be even a possible return on the show. :!: i wouldn't care much about it if i didn't believe in the hoax. but i can't see the family spreading the hoax to spread their names. that would be a bit too much and i hope it never turns out to be the truth.
i am again starting to think that this hoax can not be a murder cover up reading some of your posts and thank you for that. :) especially i mostly agree with akiraka when you said "illuminati, I believe they are very busy at high levels, I don't know.. to make money, to rule, but I don't think they waste time with some fans to convince them that MJ is ALIVE.
I must tell you that we are not interesting for them, maybe if we were millions yes."
we forget that we are actually no one to them. we're no one in any way. we're not the police or any official investigator so they would not worry about us investigating and finding out the truth about him being murdered by them. no one would listen to us. putting so much effort to make about 5000 people believe Michael is alive doesn't make that much of sense i guess. you're right, "the only one who is interested in us is MJ ;) ". i hope you can go further investigating the things you stated about the autopsy report.
ok here i'm gonna say something about one of the clues, about the "pains" at the memorial. i have listened to it like thousands of times and compared it with the original one and i believe it was 99% from the original track. only the extra "s" was added. so my question is, is there a way we can find out that the "s" was by the same voice that spoke the other parts as well (i mean Michael ofcourse)? cause we can't identify a voice just by one sound like that "s". i don't know what i'm asking for but i guess some of you'd get what i'm talking about. :roll:
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The death of Michael Jackson is a hoax.
Facts, facts, facts abound!
Family NEVER grieved like a family who lost someone suddenly would...and I don't care if it was covered on live TV....a family AND CHILDREN who lost somone unexpectedly WOULD BE GRIEVING whether private or in public. AND they would never allow it to become a circus like is was....it clearly was a great prduction
Same with "planned" tour, movie...ambulance, 911 call, helicopter ride, transport of body, coroner's van, forrest lawn, dr. murray, funeral, memorial, court appearances, tmz, jermaine's "tribute tour", J5 dynasty tv series, J5 website, mj's song lyrics, album covers and content, cris angel.......blah, blah, blah...etc., etc., etc., you get the picture don't you???
He's alive.
you put it so nice in a short post! :)
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when I told my friend about the hoax theory and michael could be still alive, my friend asked me that if michael really want to hoax his death, so why he left so many clue .. too many .. and her conclusion is someone want to make michael's death be more mysterious for a reason .. IDK what to think anymore .. :cry:
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when I told my friend about the hoax theory and michael could be still alive, my friend asked me that if michael really want to hoax his death, so why he left so many clue .. too many .. and her conclusion is someone want to make michael's death be more mysterious for a reason .. IDK what to think anymore .. :cry:
aw, don't worry. this whole thing confuses a lot of us. look. i think he leaves so many clues so that things like this forum can be created. we can discuss, dissect and look beyond what we've been taught to just take at face value. this hoax is not about money. let's be real, michael jackson is wealthy. this debt talk is ridiculous. the man owns the infamous catalog which brings in revenues like you wouldn't believe. i dont even think this hoax is about the environment (yes, i know he was adamant about protecting it & we should). this hoax, i think, deals with something we can't even grasp right now. something that we don't even know, but he does. and he leaves clues for us. the truth seekers. the fans that he loves to a magnitude we can't even comprehend. even though we still may be a small majority,more people are starting to realize [other posts about foreign countries reporting the hoax!]. While it may be ignored in the US (thanks media!), you can't ignore it forever. patience & faith.
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farhatmjj
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i hope you can go further investigating the things you stated about the autopsy report.
I'd like this ;) but for just now it's all I could find, as I said maybe someone can find James Brown's Autopsy Report, I'm not living in USA, so my "sources" are limited, that's why I asked someothers help, anyone living in USA maybe can get more information about this Report, also about this S.C. Crypt which appeared to be in MJ's Report.
Anyway I looked now more carefully to this part of video
So now I very sure that this is fake, I mean that with S.C. Crypt for MJ, or is taken from James Brown, or typed there, but alike to JB's Report.
Look also here in this link is written similar to the words in this Report.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/beech-i ... 0EMKM833KE (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/beech-island-sc/TS6L0AI0EMKM833KE)
I mean this S.C. with dots
I looked in comparison to that Autopsy Report from April 2009 mentioned in video.
The form where is written this S.C. Crypt is different of that one of April 13 which was chosen for comparison.
The letters of word CRYPT are different as shape and especially between them it's a space the others from April 13-th Report are different and are united
On that one from April is mentioned Case no. at this one, supposed of MJ, DOES NOT EXIST !!.
And finally at this supposed MJ' Report I summed this figures 2009-04415 which should represent the Case no.
2009-04415 and the result is 25 !!!!!! the date of "death", if this figures were not chosen by MJ to make 25, I'll go on the Moon flying :lol: :lol:
And now I searched who was Marilyn Ann Taylor, that Autopsy Report from April 13 used for comparison in this video, so was a porno actress, died on April 12, 2009, in video said : Case Report Marilyn A. T. from April 13 2009, LA County Coroner's office and the Case no. is 2009-02652, if I sum all this figures, like I did above they don't result on the figure 12, the day she died.
here are some information about her death:
On April 12, 2009, Chambers was found dead in her home in Santa Clarita, California.[21][1] Documents found with her body identified her as Marilyn Ann Taylor, presumably the name she assumed after a marriage.[1] She was discovered by her 17-year-old daughter, McKenna Marie Taylor.[22] The Coroner's autopsy revealed that Chambers died of a cerebral hemorrhage and aneurysm related to heart disease. Pain killer hydrocodone (Vicodin) and anti-depressant Citalopram were found in her blood stream but not enough to cause death.[
Maybe this Autopsy Report and this inf. are not fit here on this topic, I'm sorry, but I saw this video yesterday and when I saw this topic, I wanted to show you another argument that if this is related to James Brown then I'm sure that MJ is behind ;)
Now about the painS , this is my favourite too ;) I listened like you ;) many many times this part of the song from the Memorial and I make the comparison with all versions I found.
I understand your point, you wonder if was MJ's voice all or that "S" was added and was another voice ? in my opinion it's 150% HIS VOICE for all
And my arguments are :
-I noticed something :the interpretation here on Memorial is more dramatic, powerful, exactely like in the Earth Song at Grammys and where I'm convinced he sang LIVE the last part and he was there in the direction where Usher looked.
-back to S from Memorial, at a begining of a line before he is saying the first word , I don't remember now which line, but not this with In my anguish and my pains, I think the one before this, I heard 2 sighs instead of one, how it is at any version recorded or in concert, so this was for me a big question, because I started to believe that he made this part LIVE at Memorial, as I told you are some differences not so big, but they are, mainly regarded the interpretation.
So we are crazy fans, :lol: true devoted fans... the truth seekers ;) so to count even his sighs I think only MJ's fans are able of doing this, no other fans. :D :D
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Going back to your post Infinatetrinity, about Katherine's interview with Geraldo. I listened to it a while ago, and I thought back then that maybe she justified the lie by thinking to herself, "My son did die, but I won't tell them it's my son Brandon." I'm thinking this hoax has been hard on her, but then she's put up with media circus for at least 40 years. She is faithful to her children and grands.
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Aww Farhat! Please, don't get too confused! Being a believer is difficult. There is no proof he is alive. But there is no proof he is dead either.
Just take a step back. Turn off your computer, go take a walk, watch a movie, read a book. Just nothing MJ-related. And when you're all fresh again, come back here and take a look at all the news from the past couple of days and all the facts we've gathered!
1. Murray trial at easter
2. All the stuff going on in Hayvenhurst (PP&B could be leaving, off to live with their dad)
3. The lack of emotions in the Jackson family
4. The moving body bag
5. Fake ambulance pic
If the illuminati did kill MJ, there wouldn't be a moving body bag.
Please take care, stay sane!
HUGS!
Whoa! Back up a minute. When was it said that Prince, Paris and Blanket could be leaving?? Did I miss something? :?
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The only thing that confuse me with mamma Katherine (sorry that is what I call her :? ) is that she is such a DEVOUT Jehova Witness? I mean she is (as far as I know) dedicated to her religion and her becoming a part of this well......
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Ive heard the original hoax site was created by an Australian women on June 23rd?? Is this true?
Ive heard the theory that the Hoax was originated by Sony in order to keep the fans interested in MJ and also to bat the heat off them.. if people believe this is a hoax, then they spent time focusing on that and not on the murderers and the greed...
Also a hoax is easier for the heart to accept than a murder...
but i am thankful that this site looks at all avenues and we discuss both hoax and murder theories.. and we are coming out with some phenomenal research and discoveries...
so whether this is a hoax or a murder, either way the truth will be uncovered. I trust in that.
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Ive heard the original hoax site was created by an Australian women on June 23rd?? Is this true?
Ive heard the theory that the Hoax was originated by Sony in order to keep the fans interested in MJ and also to bat the heat off them.. if people believe this is a hoax, then they spent time focusing on that and not on the murderers and the greed...
Also a hoax is easier for the heart to accept than a murder...
but i am thankful that this site looks at all avenues and we discuss both hoax and murder theories.. and we are coming out with some phenomenal research and discoveries...
so whether this is a hoax or a murder, either way the truth will be uncovered. I trust in that.
wow any links (you always do great posts) :D
but what about the possibility that it was just a medical accident or incompetency and a weak doctor - why does it have to be so dramtic as murder
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i do think that there is the possibility that aeg and other are encouraging hoax theories or myths - to add mystery -
the first trailer for concerts was a bit rocky (film).
we had the dec 2008 hoax as well
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Yep.
The original hoax site was kinda suspicious in some ways.
If my memory serves me right, It was created by.. Amy?
:|
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Ive heard the original hoax site was created by an Australian women on June 23rd?? Is this true?
Ive heard the theory that the Hoax was originated by Sony in order to keep the fans interested in MJ and also to bat the heat off them.. if people believe this is a hoax, then they spent time focusing on that and not on the murderers and the greed...
Also a hoax is easier for the heart to accept than a murder...
but i am thankful that this site looks at all avenues and we discuss both hoax and murder theories.. and we are coming out with some phenomenal research and discoveries...
so whether this is a hoax or a murder, either way the truth will be uncovered. I trust in that.
wow any links (you always do great posts) :D
but what about the possibility that it was just a medical accident or incompetency and a weak doctor - why does it have to be so dramtic as murder
:D Ah thanks babes!
No i have no links.. just something ive heard on the rumour mill.
I strongly believe if this isnt a hoax then its a planned murder. There are too many people lying.
Frank DiLEo and Randy Phillips have both been inconsistent with their accounts and been caught out in interviews. Frank says a fan called him to say there was an ambo outside MJs house... how would a fan have Franks personal mobile number??? And both have said MJ was alive and on life support at the hospital before he died. The family insist MJ was long dead at the house before the ambo even arrived.
Sony are acting very suspicious too in my mind... MJ was due to get his master recordings handed back to him by Sony in 2009. Is it now a coincidence that MJ dies in 2009 and Sony get a contract to have all of Michaels music and unheard tracks? Also John Brancas involvement in all this. Branca was fired by MJ due to his conflicting interests with Sony. MJ wanted nothing more to do with Sony and wanted to be a free agent. Something he would have in 2009 once his master recordings handed back.
Now we are told Branca was rehired 7 days before his death?? Why would MJ re hire him? Makes no sense.
Also if Branca was fired he would have to hand over all paperwork.. so why was Branca the one to have possession of the will? A will that left Joe Jackson out... a father who MJ had publicly said he had forgiven? Also a will that gives Branca control and the Jackson family no say. A will that was signed in New York but states Los Angeles??
Hmm.. too many fishy smells for this to be a simple case of a trained cardiologist making a mistake... a mistake that involves injecting Propofol for insomnia... a drug that would be of no use for insomnia and restful sleep.. and then conducting CPR on a bed.
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The death of Michael Jackson is a hoax.
Facts, facts, facts abound!
Family NEVER grieved like a family who lost someone suddenly would...and I don't care if it was covered on live TV....a family AND CHILDREN who lost somone unexpectedly WOULD BE GRIEVING whether private or in public. AND they would never allow it to become a circus like is was....it clearly was a great prduction
Same with "planned" tour, movie...ambulance, 911 call, helicopter ride, transport of body, coroner's van, forrest lawn, dr. murray, funeral, memorial, court appearances, tmz, jermaine's "tribute tour", J5 dynasty tv series, J5 website, mj's song lyrics, album covers and content, cris angel.......blah, blah, blah...etc., etc., etc., you get the picture don't you???
He's alive.
Oh my!Well said ;)
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'okay hold up. i get what you're saying about the illumanti. if this secret society does exist, it's scary as hell and i want out of the US."
me too want to go out US !! :)
okay hold up. i get what you're saying about the illumanti. if this secret society does exist, it's scary as hell and i want out of the US.
and i can totally see your point, that they could covering up, planting "clues" as a distraction.
however, the one thing that gets to me out of all of this is the jackson family.
now venus said anti-depressants can make them appear not sad at all in interviews. sorry, that's completely wrong. i have a lot of friends and family on anti-depressants, and they still have emotions. they can still feel, smile, laugh, cry, get angry, etc. anti-depressants don't make you smile constantly. if you're sad, you can cry. it's not like they block you from emotion, they block you from sinking so deep down into a darkness that you can't get up, feel happy, be motivated to do anything. also, michael's kids, prince in particular, are a big sign to me. he looked so bored at the funeral. i don't know if anyone of you have been to a funeral, but i've never seen anyone look bored, especially when it's your relative (even father). when my grandmother passed, i was a damn running faucet.
so, my point being, you can ignore the entire media if you want. if you think they're giving us a two-faced approach to throw us off of what the truth is, then it's your right to think that way. all i'm saying is, the illumanti can control the media, but have you SEEN the jacksons? there's no way to control those folks. they're fierce. don't lose hope. this process is long, it's confusing as hell, and it's a rollercoaster. take things as they come, but always believe in what kind of greatness michael is capable of!!
much love
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okay hold up. i get what you're saying about the illumanti. if this secret society does exist, it's scary as hell and i want out of the US.
and i can totally see your point, that they could covering up, planting "clues" as a distraction.
however, the one thing that gets to me out of all of this is the jackson family.
now venus said anti-depressants can make them appear not sad at all in interviews. sorry, that's completely wrong. i have a lot of friends and family on anti-depressants, and they still have emotions. they can still feel, smile, laugh, cry, get angry, etc. anti-depressants don't make you smile constantly. if you're sad, you can cry. it's not like they block you from emotion, they block you from sinking so deep down into a darkness that you can't get up, feel happy, be motivated to do anything. also, michael's kids, prince in particular, are a big sign to me. he looked so bored at the funeral. i don't know if anyone of you have been to a funeral, but i've never seen anyone look bored, especially when it's your relative (even father). when my grandmother passed, i was a damn running faucet.
so, my point being, you can ignore the entire media if you want. if you think they're giving us a two-faced approach to throw us off of what the truth is, then it's your right to think that way. all i'm saying is, the illumanti can control the media, but have you SEEN the jacksons? there's no way to control those folks. they're fierce. don't lose hope. this process is long, it's confusing as hell, and it's a rollercoaster. take things as they come, but always believe in what kind of greatness michael is capable of!!
much love
Amen to that! the family is my #1 source of reassurance when I do get a doubt here and there, it's hard not to with all the different things happening right now. We have to stay strong and keep our minds well rested. L.O.V.E. to you all!
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Yep.
The original hoax site was kinda suspicious in some ways.
If my memory serves me right, It was created by.. Amy?
:|
The original hoax site had some pretty good investigations, the only thing was there were some things going on with the admin, named Amy. What it was I am not sure, I became a member shortly after hearing rumors that M.J. died, I did see some post towards Amy that were not to nice, she finally said enough is enough, and the site went down hill from there. I really liked that site, and liked alot of people that were there,but glad we now have this site. ;)
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Unfortunatly there are several secret societies all around the world, they have existed for along time, and will continue to exist. They are within governments, they run the world, the best way to deal with them is to know the TRUTH.
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The death of Michael Jackson is a hoax.
Facts, facts, facts abound!
Family NEVER grieved like a family who lost someone suddenly would...and I don't care if it was covered on live TV....a family AND CHILDREN who lost somone unexpectedly WOULD BE GRIEVING whether private or in public. AND they would never allow it to become a circus like is was....it clearly was a great prduction
Same with "planned" tour, movie...ambulance, 911 call, helicopter ride, transport of body, coroner's van, forrest lawn, dr. murray, funeral, memorial, court appearances, tmz, jermaine's "tribute tour", J5 dynasty tv series, J5 website, mj's song lyrics, album covers and content, cris angel.......blah, blah, blah...etc., etc., etc., you get the picture don't you???
VERY WELL SAID,AGREE
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It wouldn't make sense. The Illuminati would not want the shit out in the open and that is exactly the case now.
Read TIAI update 4 again.
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Ive heard the original hoax site was created by an Australian women on June 23rd?? Is this true?
Ive heard the theory that the Hoax was originated by Sony in order to keep the fans interested in MJ and also to bat the heat off them.. if people believe this is a hoax, then they spent time focusing on that and not on the murderers and the greed...
Also a hoax is easier for the heart to accept than a murder...
but i am thankful that this site looks at all avenues and we discuss both hoax and murder theories.. and we are coming out with some phenomenal research and discoveries...
so whether this is a hoax or a murder, either way the truth will be uncovered. I trust in that.
wow any links (you always do great posts) :D
but what about the possibility that it was just a medical accident or incompetency and a weak doctor - why does it have to be so dramtic as murder
:D Ah thanks babes!
No i have no links.. just something ive heard on the rumour mill.
I strongly believe if this isnt a hoax then its a planned murder. There are too many people lying.
Frank DiLEo and Randy Phillips have both been inconsistent with their accounts and been caught out in interviews. Frank says a fan called him to say there was an ambo outside MJs house... how would a fan have Franks personal mobile number??? And both have said MJ was alive and on life support at the hospital before he died. The family insist MJ was long dead at the house before the ambo even arrived.
Sony are acting very suspicious too in my mind... MJ was due to get his master recordings handed back to him by Sony in 2009. Is it now a coincidence that MJ dies in 2009 and Sony get a contract to have all of Michaels music and unheard tracks? Also John Brancas involvement in all this. Branca was fired by MJ due to his conflicting interests with Sony. MJ wanted nothing more to do with Sony and wanted to be a free agent. Something he would have in 2009 once his master recordings handed back.
Now we are told Branca was rehired 7 days before his death?? Why would MJ re hire him? Makes no sense.
Also if Branca was fired he would have to hand over all paperwork.. so why was Branca the one to have possession of the will? A will that left Joe Jackson out... a father who MJ had publicly said he had forgiven? Also a will that gives Branca control and the Jackson family no say. A will that was signed in New York but states Los Angeles??
Hmm.. too many fishy smells for this to be a simple case of a trained cardiologist making a mistake... a mistake that involves injecting Propofol for insomnia... a drug that would be of no use for insomnia and restful sleep.. and then conducting CPR on a bed.
one thing i woke up with today - didnt travis payne say that he would go to mikes house to wake him up and ensure he went to the rehearsals?
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I'm glad someone actually posed this question as a topic. Because, like it or not, I'm sure even "the most faithful & the most patient" (I'm neither, by the way :P ) of us have pondered over this, at least, in the recesses of our minds...So, thank you, farhatmjj, for your refreshing honesty. And akiraka, I like your last post here. Thanks for sharing all those thoughts, everyone; I really appreciated them all & found them most inspirational! :)
To say that "the news" of 25 June 2009 was merely shocking is a HUGE understatement. But it certainly was one that affected us all in a multitude of ways. I was drawn towards this "great adventure" because I was sick of moping around at home for DAYS. It was as if an alien had taken over me. NOTHING I did (NOT the spending frenzy on all things MJ related, NOT the hours of browsing for MJ related news/videos, NOT leading a cyber existence & forgetting my 'real' life, NOT even the reaching out to fellow, grieving fans) seemed to help. The pain (& confusion because of that: why I didn't 'get' what it was that I was feeling exactly) refused to go away & just kept worsening. I kept failing to attain the closure & comfort that I so desperately sought. I felt angry, cheated & plain MISERABLE. It all just didn't seem real to me. I suspect it is half because of this indescribable & mysteriously quality MJ has always had of being ageless & timeless. Plus, for many of us, so much of our childhood/teenage memories are associated/intertwined with him somehow too :)
I was taken aback when I first heard about the hoax. Well, I've always preferred most of my "conspiracies" in fiction rather than real life (yes, guilty: nerdy, boring bookworm, romantic/idealist/optimist & a habitual escapologist from most 'unpleasantries' :oops: ). To me, it all seemed as the natural & quite understandable reaction from certain diehard fans in denial; their way of coping etc. At first, it was just curiosity that kept me returning. To be honest, some of the earlier stuff even seemed a bit ludicrous to me back then. I was a skeptic when I joined my first hoax forum & made no secret of that either. I was afraid that people would regard me as the oddball & treat me differently from others. But everyone was so caring, understanding & supportive that my initial awkwardness & misgivings vanished completely. As time went on, I realised that I had become one of them; a "BeLIEver" without even realising it. And the pain kept lessening as I made new friends from all over the world & discovered that we have quite a few things (even apart from MJ :shock: :P ;) ) that we share together. And Oh yes, the laughter over both MJ & non-MJ related stuff also helped a GREAT deal too! :D
Now, personally, there are days & then there are days. Well, I do know that I wish to to remain 'BeLIEver' more than I actually do BeLIEve. Maybe because a huge part of the whole hoax & my believer adventure has always been the return/comeback (that raises much speculation & keeps getting 'postponed') too. I know it's childish, but I keep clinging on to the hope of the fulfillment of the promise, "the best is yet to come". But my need isn't half as burning & as urgent as it was before. I have discovered the importance of letting life be a 'full course'. We all have to create a few of our own adventures & live them too! ;) It can't all be about one man, one aspect of life that the whole universe revolves around. And we can't just isolate ourselves from it all either. That is to say, this "quest" isn't ALL about MJ & the truth. It never really was; we just liked believing that because we didn't wish to delve too deeply about our part (the "self" bit) in it (acknowledging that we aren't as impartial/doing this only out of curiosity etc). I know a lot of people keep saying that they are "doing this for MJ" (out of their love/regard for him only), but I truly, firmly believe that this notion is very wrong. I really dislike the self-serving & self-indulgent implication that we are being somehow 'magnanimous/self-sacrificing' enough to do this for 'MJ's sake' because he 'needs' us more than we need him (as if we are doing him a favour etc)! Excuse me, but that's the other way around in reality!! In fact, we are doing this for US: both individually & as a team. Because it's we who need the answers most. It's us who want justification for what happened on 25.06.09. We are the ones who need an explanation for what happened to US that day; how all of the following events relate to us personally. We are ones who feel bitter, guilty, angry, confused & sad. It's us who wish to make peace/come to terms with the events & our resultant inner turmoil. We wanted a change; an escape from our real lives. We needed a 'sign' , a 'confirmation' to have more faith in our own dreams too. We are the ones desperately seeking to "know the man we never really knew"!
The past 8 months+++ has been quite a journey in so many different ways for so many of us, hasn't it? Both on an individual level & as a group! We've had our fair share of ups & downs too. But the best part about it all for me (has ALWAYS been & continues to be) is the sheer human spirit that kept & keeps us connected together in all this. I now realise that MJ & 'the truth' plays second fiddle to that for me. The friendships I've made along the way (not just with believers, but non-believers as well), the discoveries I've made about myself & human nature & our relationships with others in general are more precious to me above anything else. I would never claim to "get it"; understand 'exactly' why MJ is doing what he is doing (hoax-related, I mean). While I do admit I wonder about it too, I'm not going to join in on the over-analysations/speculations there either. Because I do realise, it's his OWN personal journey TOO; one that he walks alone (that bit, which no matter how much we wish to be a part of, we cannot). Sometimes we all have to do the things we have to do, despite everyone & everything. So, I respect him & his reasons for it. Also, a BIG thank you, A HUGE THANK YOU TO MJ: for making this possible; for taking me on this "great adventure" like no other that I've experienced before; I shall never ever regret even a bit of it or having been a tiny part of it all! :D :lol: :D
We are echoing & helping spread "the message" of peace & love NOT because it's all merely HIS message alone, but because it's one that's etched on our own soul songs as well.
I still don't know a lot of "hows & whys" about the whole experience. Maybe I never will either. But I have FAITH in US. People, all humans are essentially good or at least have a bit of good buried/shadowed somewhere within ourselves. Sometimes, some of us need an occasional sign, a hint, an encouragement to bring that to the surface & to use it. Whatever happens, we shall always be able to live with it somehow because none of us are ever truly alone. We just need to give a little of ourselves & to reach out to the others to realise that & to receive too. My grandmother always tells me that life should be a combination of what we want & what we need & I've grown to trust her there :) Plus, I'm a BIG fan of Paulo Coelho & I REALLY, TRULY, DEEPLY believe that “When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.”!!! :D :) :D
So, CHIN UP, my fellow sister believers (sorry about the sexism, 'dudes', but you are included there as well! :P ), it's still NOT over. Not unless we, ourselves let it be so. This is SOOOOOOO NOT "IT", not by a looooooooooong shot, not just yet. Remember, there's much, much more to come on this adventure that we all chose to embark on TOGETHER. Hang on for the ride, let's continue to be there for each other & let's keep an open mind.
BELIEVE that there's ALWAYS HOPE!!! ;) :) :lol: :) :D
L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
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Aww Farhat! Please, don't get too confused! Being a believer is difficult. There is no proof he is alive. But there is no proof he is dead either.
Just take a step back. Turn off your computer, go take a walk, watch a movie, read a book. Just nothing MJ-related. And when you're all fresh again, come back here and take a look at all the news from the past couple of days and all the facts we've gathered!
1. Murray trial at easter
2. All the stuff going on in Hayvenhurst (PP&B could be leaving, off to live with their dad)
3. The lack of emotions in the Jackson family
4. The moving body bag
5. Fake ambulance pic
If the illuminati did kill MJ, there wouldn't be a moving body bag.
Please take care, stay sane!
HUGS!
nice post :mrgreen:
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I agree that the original question is a legitimate one. Some say all the "facts" point to a hoax. All the same facts could easily point to murder. And no, that doesn't mean the processes following a murder would be neat and tidy as one suggested.
Covering up a murder is probably messy business - one that requires the paying off or blackmailing of certain officials and others involved. It would also involve the manipulation of information, pinpointing a fall guy, etc. The same way a hoax would likely also require the paying off of certain officials and others involved, the manipulation of information, etc. Either way, it's a lot of work, with a lot of room for human error and miscommunication.
I don't think a "hoax of a hoax" would be orchestrated to cater to a small group of people... rather a contrived hoax is more likely to be useful for misleading fans re any possible loose ends or inconsistencies in a murder cover-up, while at the same time inspiring them to purchase more merch. Whether a hoax or a murder, you can trust that someone wants all the fan money they can generate.
By the same token, most of this might also apply to a witness protection action.
Nothing about any of this is certain, and it's probably supposed to be that way, whatever the truth is.
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I just hope we'll find out the truth-whether it's good news or not,we need to know it in order to have some closure,my mind hurts since june 25,i just pray to God that he wasnt murderd, it would be easier for me to find out that he was overdosed accidently by an ignorant doctor rather than that our Michael was murderd is a very cruel way,my heart is bleeding. :( I just hope that God will help us to reach the truth
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It wouldn't make sense. The Illuminati would not want the shit out in the open and that is exactly the case now.
Read TIAI update 4 again.
To me it would make sense, as much as they have people like Alex Jones providing bites of real information, more the terrifying side.
Actually it would even make sense that he whole thing of the NWO, was somehow a similar hoax of a conspiracy. They let us know a portion side, in a way that terrifies people, so they take advange of it from the same fact of conspiring against us. We never see these people giving solutions, nor good bites of news showing that we, sometimes, stop their actions (mandatory vaccinations). All always negative.
This could be perfectly possible.
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Hi everybody,
Could someone really help me because I am really going crazy with this story. All you are writing I believed from the beginning and said it to my family from the very first day I can't stand it no more. It's becoming really hard. Sometimes I can't stop crying thinking he could be gone. Why do we all have this feeling that something's going wrong ?
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Hi everybody,
Could someone really help me because I am really going crazy with this story. All you are writing I believed from the beginning and said it to my family from the very first day I can't stand it no more. It's becoming really hard. Sometimes I can't stop crying thinking he could be gone. Why do we all have this feeling that something's going wrong ?
Dear Carisya and dear beLIEvers,
After the crazy dates of April 4 and 5 we can realize that we had too many expectations for Murray's arraignment and disbelief got into some of us, as a form of disappointment rather than real evidence of death. I was reading your post, thinking very deeply at your words and feeling you to the bottom of my heart, when the MJ radio channel I am listening to suddenly stopped for 2 seconds (during "We Are the World"), then reloaded with high volume - impossible to ignore - with Michael's angelic voice singing:
"When you're down and out
There seems no hope at all
But if you just believe
There's no way we can fall
Well, well, well, well, let us realize
That a change will only come
When we stand together as one
It was like a revelation to me, I really needed that reassurance today and it came from Michael himself... I can only pass it to you and advise you to recall all the reasons you started believing in this hoax, since the beginning.. Michael is a genius, a visionary, he is unbreakable and invincible, believe in his power to change the world! Nothing is impossible if you just beLIEve it!
Keep the faith!
LOVE,
Andy
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there are just toooooo many things that say mj is not dead! but I hope he comes back soon or we'll all get mad!! :geek:
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I'm glad someone actually posed this question as a topic. Because, like it or not, I'm sure even "the most faithful & the most patient" (I'm neither, by the way :P ) of us have pondered over this, at least, in the recesses of our minds...So, thank you, farhatmjj, for your refreshing honesty. And akiraka, I like your last post here. Thanks for sharing all those thoughts, everyone; I really appreciated them all & found them most inspirational! :)
To say that "the news" of 25 June 2009 was merely shocking is a HUGE understatement. But it certainly was one that affected us all in a multitude of ways. I was drawn towards this "great adventure" because I was sick of moping around at home for DAYS. It was as if an alien had taken over me. NOTHING I did (NOT the spending frenzy on all things MJ related, NOT the hours of browsing for MJ related news/videos, NOT leading a cyber existence & forgetting my 'real' life, NOT even the reaching out to fellow, grieving fans) seemed to help. The pain (& confusion because of that: why I didn't 'get' what it was that I was feeling exactly) refused to go away & just kept worsening. I kept failing to attain the closure & comfort that I so desperately sought. I felt angry, cheated & plain MISERABLE. It all just didn't seem real to me. I suspect it is half because of this indescribable & mysteriously quality MJ has always had of being ageless & timeless. Plus, for many of us, so much of our childhood/teenage memories are associated/intertwined with him somehow too :)
I was taken aback when I first heard about the hoax. Well, I've always preferred most of my "conspiracies" in fiction rather than real life (yes, guilty: nerdy, boring bookworm, romantic/idealist/optimist & a habitual escapologist from most 'unpleasantries' :oops: ). To me, it all seemed as the natural & quite understandable reaction from certain diehard fans in denial; their way of coping etc. At first, it was just curiosity that kept me returning. To be honest, some of the earlier stuff even seemed a bit ludicrous to me back then. I was a skeptic when I joined my first hoax forum & made no secret of that either. I was afraid that people would regard me as the oddball & treat me differently from others. But everyone was so caring, understanding & supportive that my initial awkwardness & misgivings vanished completely. As time went on, I realised that I had become one of them; a "BeLIEver" without even realising it. And the pain kept lessening as I made new friends from all over the world & discovered that we have quite a few things (even apart from MJ :shock: :P ;) ) that we share together. And Oh yes, the laughter over both MJ & non-MJ related stuff also helped a GREAT deal too! :D
Now, personally, there are days & then there are days. Well, I do know that I wish to to remain 'BeLIEver' more than I actually do BeLIEve. Maybe because a huge part of the whole hoax & my believer adventure has always been the return/comeback (that raises much speculation & keeps getting 'postponed') too. I know it's childish, but I keep clinging on to the hope of the fulfillment of the promise, "the best is yet to come". But my need isn't half as burning & as urgent as it was before. I have discovered the importance of letting life be a 'full course'. We all have to create a few of our own adventures & live them too! ;) It can't all be about one man, one aspect of life that the whole universe revolves around. And we can't just isolate ourselves from it all either. That is to say, this "quest" isn't ALL about MJ & the truth. It never really was; we just liked believing that because we didn't wish to delve too deeply about our part (the "self" bit) in it (acknowledging that we aren't as impartial/doing this only out of curiosity etc). I know a lot of people keep saying that they are "doing this for MJ" (out of their love/regard for him only), but I truly, firmly believe that this notion is very wrong. I really dislike the self-serving & self-indulgent implication that we are being somehow 'magnanimous/self-sacrificing' enough to do this for 'MJ's sake' because he 'needs' us more than we need him (as if we are doing him a favour etc)! Excuse me, but that's the other way around in reality!! In fact, we are doing this for US: both individually & as a team. Because it's we who need the answers most. It's us who want justification for what happened on 25.06.09. We are the ones who need an explanation for what happened to US that day; how all of the following events relate to us personally. We are ones who feel bitter, guilty, angry, confused & sad. It's us who wish to make peace/come to terms with the events & our resultant inner turmoil. We wanted a change; an escape from our real lives. We needed a 'sign' , a 'confirmation' to have more faith in our own dreams too. We are the ones desperately seeking to "know the man we never really knew"!
The past 8 months+++ has been quite a journey in so many different ways for so many of us, hasn't it? Both on an individual level & as a group! We've had our fair share of ups & downs too. But the best part about it all for me (has ALWAYS been & continues to be) is the sheer human spirit that kept & keeps us connected together in all this. I now realise that MJ & 'the truth' plays second fiddle to that for me. The friendships I've made along the way (not just with believers, but non-believers as well), the discoveries I've made about myself & human nature & our relationships with others in general are more precious to me above anything else. I would never claim to "get it"; understand 'exactly' why MJ is doing what he is doing (hoax-related, I mean). While I do admit I wonder about it too, I'm not going to join in on the over-analysations/speculations there either. Because I do realise, it's his OWN personal journey TOO; one that he walks alone (that bit, which no matter how much we wish to be a part of, we cannot). Sometimes we all have to do the things we have to do, despite everyone & everything. So, I respect him & his reasons for it. Also, a BIG thank you, A HUGE THANK YOU TO MJ: for making this possible; for taking me on this "great adventure" like no other that I've experienced before; I shall never ever regret even a bit of it or having been a tiny part of it all! :D :lol: :D
We are echoing & helping spread "the message" of peace & love NOT because it's all merely HIS message alone, but because it's one that's etched on our own soul songs as well.
I still don't know a lot of "hows & whys" about the whole experience. Maybe I never will either. But I have FAITH in US. People, all humans are essentially good or at least have a bit of good buried/shadowed somewhere within ourselves. Sometimes, some of us need an occasional sign, a hint, an encouragement to bring that to the surface & to use it. Whatever happens, we shall always be able to live with it somehow because none of us are ever truly alone. We just need to give a little of ourselves & to reach out to the others to realise that & to receive too. My grandmother always tells me that life should be a combination of what we want & what we need & I've grown to trust her there :) Plus, I'm a BIG fan of Paulo Coelho & I REALLY, TRULY, DEEPLY believe that “When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.”!!! :D :) :D
So, CHIN UP, my fellow sister believers (sorry about the sexism, 'dudes', but you are included there as well! :P ), it's still NOT over. Not unless we, ourselves let it be so. This is SOOOOOOO NOT "IT", not by a looooooooooong shot, not just yet. Remember, there's much, much more to come on this adventure that we all chose to embark on TOGETHER. Hang on for the ride, let's continue to be there for each other & let's keep an open mind.
BELIEVE that there's ALWAYS HOPE!!! ;) :) :lol: :) :D
L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
you left me speechless cause you said it all! so i guess, after reading all the posts, the majority is still confused... and i think we will always be confused cause no matter how many evidences we have, we can never be sure about Michael being alive until or unless he comes back. this is fact. we just can not be sure about anything if he doesn't come back. and coming back or not is entirely Michael's own decision. 10 months it has been, i'm not sure if he actually wants to come back, and if he doesn't we will all be like Elvis fans again. i just don't hope 10 months becomes 10 years that i will be looking for hoax videos and visiting the hoax forums, i just don't. :cry:
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Farhat, just smile girl. Because Michael is NOT going to leave us like this, no way. He would have never ever left all the clues if he wasn't going to come back. ;)
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why do you say that they are clues - they not be
they may just be the shocking reality of the life the poor soul lived
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why do you say that they are clues - they not be
they may just be the shocking reality of the life the poor soul lived
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eeeek sorry venus (love you)
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eeeek sorry venus (love you)
love you too
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Thank You for putting up this question.
I don't know what to believe anymore.
In June 09 I was shocked.And in disbelieve..I was watching TV nonstop,just to understand what happened.My first thought My gut feeling,deep inside my heart, was telling me Oh MY GOD THEY KILLED HIM.And I was crying like crazy.
I watched the memorial then,and I was Like what the heck?Something is wrong here.
All those people *stars* that spoke at his memorial,I did not know that he still had something to do with him.And I was thinking Oh Lord Girl,what do U actually know about his deep privat life,maybe he did have still a friendship going on there,it was the final thing what hit me,that he maybe did hoaxed his death,the speech from Paris.I start looking up in the Internet,if there where others,having that feeling.And I was happy to found,the old MJDH.I was NOT registered there,but I was reading thru it ,though.Anyway,More I was watching and reading the news,I became 50/ 50 on the hoaxed.Then there where times where I was only 10 % in believe.It is an up and down.
My Husband thought I'm crazy,and still thinks I'm in denial.I am not in denial.
Cause, more things happened.And I feel right now,95% they murdered him.Those f****ing B*****s :cry: And since the "suicide" from his lawyer only 5% leftin believe> and coming in here in this Forum ,and HOPE finding here a post,to cheer me up,that he maybe might have did hoaxed his Death.I might not post as much,but I read always,the updates here.
They doing everything,in Plain sight.They don't care about us. :( How comes "dangerous" People make all of a sudden suicide,die in planecrashes,get killed from a "crazy"person or have a drug overdose!!!.Isn't it weird,that they die the same death those people in Hollywood?
I dont wanna bring anybody down here,sorry if this might offended somebody,just throwing my feelings in here.
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@ farhatmjj
If I am not mistaking, you are the one who was out of the site long time, right? So, you missed a lot of news. You need to go over threads and find your answer. For example, did you read "Slip ups", where Jermain having interview with UK and "slips up": "Before we arrived, Michael was alredy at the airport, I am sorry, I ment at the hospital", or have you seen Jackson Dynasty doc film, where brothers go to visit MJ at LOS Angeles Forest lawn instead of Glendale Forest Lawn. These are not illuminaty clues. BTW, I don't much beleieve in BS about illuminaty having power to control minds in distance. Did they put some chip in Michael's head to control him? Come on. Michael is money machine for everybody, that's the fact. IF MJ was killed, the reasons are greed, competition, desire to dominate over him since we know Michael IS HARD NUT. It seems he is Peter Pan, and childelike, pure, gentle human being,that is right. BUT HE IS ALSO TOUGH and STUBBORN that many people would not like. But, majority of FACTS, not clues, telling us MJ IS ALIVE. Too much inconsistency in the case.
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I'm glad someone actually posed this question as a topic. Because, like it or not, I'm sure even "the most faithful & the most patient" (I'm neither, by the way :P ) of us have pondered over this, at least, in the recesses of our minds...So, thank you, farhatmjj, for your refreshing honesty. And akiraka, I like your last post here. Thanks for sharing all those thoughts, everyone; I really appreciated them all & found them most inspirational! :)
To say that "the news" of 25 June 2009 was merely shocking is a HUGE understatement. But it certainly was one that affected us all in a multitude of ways. I was drawn towards this "great adventure" because I was sick of moping around at home for DAYS. It was as if an alien had taken over me. NOTHING I did (NOT the spending frenzy on all things MJ related, NOT the hours of browsing for MJ related news/videos, NOT leading a cyber existence & forgetting my 'real' life, NOT even the reaching out to fellow, grieving fans) seemed to help. The pain (& confusion because of that: why I didn't 'get' what it was that I was feeling exactly) refused to go away & just kept worsening. I kept failing to attain the closure & comfort that I so desperately sought. I felt angry, cheated & plain MISERABLE. It all just didn't seem real to me. I suspect it is half because of this indescribable & mysteriously quality MJ has always had of being ageless & timeless. Plus, for many of us, so much of our childhood/teenage memories are associated/intertwined with him somehow too :)
I was taken aback when I first heard about the hoax. Well, I've always preferred most of my "conspiracies" in fiction rather than real life (yes, guilty: nerdy, boring bookworm, romantic/idealist/optimist & a habitual escapologist from most 'unpleasantries' :oops: ). To me, it all seemed as the natural & quite understandable reaction from certain diehard fans in denial; their way of coping etc. At first, it was just curiosity that kept me returning. To be honest, some of the earlier stuff even seemed a bit ludicrous to me back then. I was a skeptic when I joined my first hoax forum & made no secret of that either. I was afraid that people would regard me as the oddball & treat me differently from others. But everyone was so caring, understanding & supportive that my initial awkwardness & misgivings vanished completely. As time went on, I realised that I had become one of them; a "BeLIEver" without even realising it. And the pain kept lessening as I made new friends from all over the world & discovered that we have quite a few things (even apart from MJ :shock: :P ;) ) that we share together. And Oh yes, the laughter over both MJ & non-MJ related stuff also helped a GREAT deal too! :D
Now, personally, there are days & then there are days. Well, I do know that I wish to to remain 'BeLIEver' more than I actually do BeLIEve. Maybe because a huge part of the whole hoax & my believer adventure has always been the return/comeback (that raises much speculation & keeps getting 'postponed') too. I know it's childish, but I keep clinging on to the hope of the fulfillment of the promise, "the best is yet to come". But my need isn't half as burning & as urgent as it was before. I have discovered the importance of letting life be a 'full course'. We all have to create a few of our own adventures & live them too! ;) It can't all be about one man, one aspect of life that the whole universe revolves around. And we can't just isolate ourselves from it all either. That is to say, this "quest" isn't ALL about MJ & the truth. It never really was; we just liked believing that because we didn't wish to delve too deeply about our part (the "self" bit) in it (acknowledging that we aren't as impartial/doing this only out of curiosity etc). I know a lot of people keep saying that they are "doing this for MJ" (out of their love/regard for him only), but I truly, firmly believe that this notion is very wrong. I really dislike the self-serving & self-indulgent implication that we are being somehow 'magnanimous/self-sacrificing' enough to do this for 'MJ's sake' because he 'needs' us more than we need him (as if we are doing him a favour etc)! Excuse me, but that's the other way around in reality!! In fact, we are doing this for US: both individually & as a team. Because it's we who need the answers most. It's us who want justification for what happened on 25.06.09. We are the ones who need an explanation for what happened to US that day; how all of the following events relate to us personally. We are ones who feel bitter, guilty, angry, confused & sad. It's us who wish to make peace/come to terms with the events & our resultant inner turmoil. We wanted a change; an escape from our real lives. We needed a 'sign' , a 'confirmation' to have more faith in our own dreams too. We are the ones desperately seeking to "know the man we never really knew"!
The past 8 months+++ has been quite a journey in so many different ways for so many of us, hasn't it? Both on an individual level & as a group! We've had our fair share of ups & downs too. But the best part about it all for me (has ALWAYS been & continues to be) is the sheer human spirit that kept & keeps us connected together in all this. I now realise that MJ & 'the truth' plays second fiddle to that for me. The friendships I've made along the way (not just with believers, but non-believers as well), the discoveries I've made about myself & human nature & our relationships with others in general are more precious to me above anything else. I would never claim to "get it"; understand 'exactly' why MJ is doing what he is doing (hoax-related, I mean). While I do admit I wonder about it too, I'm not going to join in on the over-analysations/speculations there either. Because I do realise, it's his OWN personal journey TOO; one that he walks alone (that bit, which no matter how much we wish to be a part of, we cannot). Sometimes we all have to do the things we have to do, despite everyone & everything. So, I respect him & his reasons for it. Also, a BIG thank you, A HUGE THANK YOU TO MJ: for making this possible; for taking me on this "great adventure" like no other that I've experienced before; I shall never ever regret even a bit of it or having been a tiny part of it all! :D :lol: :D
We are echoing & helping spread "the message" of peace & love NOT because it's all merely HIS message alone, but because it's one that's etched on our own soul songs as well.
I still don't know a lot of "hows & whys" about the whole experience. Maybe I never will either. But I have FAITH in US. People, all humans are essentially good or at least have a bit of good buried/shadowed somewhere within ourselves. Sometimes, some of us need an occasional sign, a hint, an encouragement to bring that to the surface & to use it. Whatever happens, we shall always be able to live with it somehow because none of us are ever truly alone. We just need to give a little of ourselves & to reach out to the others to realise that & to receive too. My grandmother always tells me that life should be a combination of what we want & what we need & I've grown to trust her there :) Plus, I'm a BIG fan of Paulo Coelho & I REALLY, TRULY, DEEPLY believe that “When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.”!!! :D :) :D
So, CHIN UP, my fellow sister believers (sorry about the sexism, 'dudes', but you are included there as well! :P ), it's still NOT over. Not unless we, ourselves let it be so. This is SOOOOOOO NOT "IT", not by a looooooooooong shot, not just yet. Remember, there's much, much more to come on this adventure that we all chose to embark on TOGETHER. Hang on for the ride, let's continue to be there for each other & let's keep an open mind.
BELIEVE that there's ALWAYS HOPE!!! ;) :) :lol: :) :D
L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
OMG as I would be reading my own thoughts..so well written and summarized! thank you sister!
L.O.V.E.
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I have wondered myself about the HOAX being a HOAX. I have thought about every angle of this mystery. It is a REAL mystery. I have never seen anything like this in my entire life. I have seen celebrities come and go and die and never ever was there any case (not even Elvis) that was surrounded with such mystery and unanswered questions. With that being said, I am going to elaborate on some thoughts that have been bothering me about this investigation lately. If it were not for forums such as this one where everyone has the chance to speak their thoughts we wouldn't have a place to exchange information and bring to light the hidden and obscure nature of this supposed death. I sincerely hope that what I am about to touch on doesn't offend anyone that is not my intention. Just food for thought is all. Things really started to bother me when I heard about the Rome tribute. I have nothing against Italy or the wonderful ppl for starters. I know that there is strong talk about the Illuminati and the control they have over this world. Make no mistake, it's not just the USA it's literally everywhere. They are all about the NWO (New World Order) The bible speaks of one that will come out of Rome to bring peace to the world and the entire would will be surprised and they will worship this man. He will be all about PEACE and he is very charismatic. Okay stay with me I promise I will get there. Now, this man fools everyone and the world is amazed at his signs and wonders. This person will appear on the scene first IN ROME. Okay, I am not saying that our sweet beloved Michael is the ANTICHRIST but what if the Illuminati had this planned for a long time and murdered the REAL Michael and has a double waiting for this very purpose? I have to say these things do cross my mind as I too am looking at all aspects of this mystery. There are some out there that believe Michael is the Christ or the chosen one etc. I love Michael with all my heart but what if he didn't even know what he was being set up for. His family may be acting strange because they are afraid and have been threatened. It's only a theory but I have to say I am confused and nothing about anything makes sense since June 25th 2010. I pray this theory is absolutely wrong but I do not like this relation to Rome at all. I know Michael loves/loved all countries and the people in them. I know there will be tributes all over the world that day but it bothers me too that Randy Jackson is not happy about the Rome tribute. Why isn't he questioning the others? Did he not say that the organizers of the Rome tribute are telling ppl that Micheal is alive and well and will be there? I am full of questions that need answers just as we all are. I do know that the Illuminati is real and they have real power and they are global. The more I think about it the more I wonder, would Michael have really faked his death? Knowing how much his fans love him. There were fans that were starving themselves at his trial in Santa Maria. They sat outside the courthouse everyday fasting and vowing not to eat or drink till he walked free. There were those that stated they would commit suicide if Micheal went to jail. Michael would never want to hurt anyone like this. I truly believe he would have thought there would be those that would take their life if he died. Okay I know about the clues and how that some say he left those so fans would know he was alive. But what about the breaking news of his death? That right there would have been enough to push some over the edge. I first heard that there were some that committed suicide, then never heard another word about it. Micheal would never hurt his fans this way. In my opinion he would not take that chance. There is much more going through my overwhelmed mind with all of this but I will wait to post that another time. In closing, I will say that if anyone steps up and says they are Micheal to the world, I will watch for a while and see how that pans out before I celebrate.Thanks for hearing me on this.
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I believe that this topic is very important. I wrote a topic a while ago about being aware of who is in charge of this Hoax (and other things). Yes, it can be Michael, but it is not the only possibility, and there could be people with various intentions trying to control it for whatever reason.
And someone mentioned something like the Illuminati wouldn't do this, because this way it would make it possible for more people to be aware of them. Maybe, but this is not the first time that people come across the illuminati. At least, i have read stuff about them before, and a band i like have wrote a song about them before. Many people are looking for illuminati symbols in mainstream artists like Beyonce, Jay-Z, Kanye West, and others, there are books about the illuminatis...it's not like only people interested in the hoax are taking notice of this. And why won't the illuminati crawl over the internet and delete every information about them or get rid of all books? The information is available, but they won't do it, because they can distract people with other matters.. Even when the government is taking important decisions, notice how the media always find some other celebrity subject or whatever not so important topic to talk about. The illuminati is not about these mind control programs, in my opinion, they just manipulate the information, they have money, power, means to do it. They do not put chips on your brain ( i don't believe this), they just throw stuff at people, and they fall for it. (look at the recent THE SUN incident, not only they couldn't keep their word, but also rip apart the text, and only used what was convenient for them. The other information they decided to occult, their readers probrably will never read about or know that it was omitted -- and this is a clear example of manipulation.)
Why would there be a hoax of a hoax? Well, i would say Sony is a strong candidate. This way they could keep people always talking about MJ, fueling theories (people see clues everywhere, it is not so hard). Then, they can make a myth bigger or at the same level as the famous "Elvis is not dead". It would work like a huge marketing device. This could be possible, if you ask me. Why would Sony sign such a huge contract with MJ? Because they know they will earn a lot of money, of course. It is about millions and millions. If we are talking about millions why not take the effort to elaborate a HOAX? I can definately see this as a possibility. Yeah, maybe we are only 5,000 registered users, but there are also unregistered users(guests) that visit this site regularly ( do you have any notion on how many people enter here every day?). Besides, we see all the time news on TMZ, and other places, it is like they must always have something to talk about. If these news were not getting good hits at web sites, do you think they would keep writing them? Of course not, because then they would start loosing money, they could be writing about some other stuff that generates more hits = more money. However, they insist in writing all that, even absurd stuff. Why is that? Because it gets people's attentions and hits. These guys think mainly about money. And if the hoax is managed by Sony, even if these sites were not getting enough hits, Sony could pay the sites to keep writing stuff. I am talking about Sony, but it could be any other "player". Besides this "marketing" thing, Sony could easly work with John Branca behind the curtains and continue to do what they did before, you know. And also they could even get Branca to sell more songs from the Beatles catalog...or worse, the whole catalogue that MJ still has. We could also think the same way about that company (? i don't remember exactly) that bought part of neverland, they could even "cooperate" with Branca to get the last part, and then make millions out of it, because everyone will want to go there, just like people go visit Graceland. And if you think it is not good enough, they will find a way to convince you that you must visit Neverland and buy all the MJ's cds even it it is full of songs you already have.
If MJ is alive, why did he allow his lawyers to sign a contract with Sony? He displayed a lot of unpleasantness toward Sony in the past, i just cant understand this. Why keep lawyers that acted unethically before? If he was alive, wouldn't he find a way to fire these people and a way to not get signed to Sony?
And finally, i would like to make a consideration about the family pictures and behaviour. I don't think it is fair when people look at pictures of the family and start analyzing how they don't look sad ,.... i mean, are you inside them? I just don't think it is fair.
Hm, i guess i wrote way to much, sorry for any English mistakes, i am not a native speaker.