Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: mjkate on March 07, 2010, 07:19:13 PM
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What the what? If you click on Kris's name the whole article will pop up and he states that mj didn't start rehearsing with the dancers until the staples centre. This means, if I am not mistaken that mj didn't rehearse with the dancers until June 23rd when the footage was filmed. I am sorry if this has already been discussed. So he rehearsed with the dancers once on the 23rd and there have been conflicting reports that he rehearsed on the 24th. I am quite shocked at this....what you guys make of this?
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There were rehearsals in 2006 sooo...plus the movie says different. :shock:
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Yep... and i believe the dancer. He has no reason to lie or make it up. No agenda there from that kid.
And ive always suspected the movie was only made up from a couple of days.
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There have been at least 5 legitimate people who have stated this and for some
reasons, you get no comments on this news. With risking jobs and financial ruin,
the truth is TRYING to get out, but not one listens.
The lies have become the truth.
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Yep... and i believe the dancer. He has no reason to lie or make it up. No agenda there from that kid.
And ive always suspected the movie was only made up from a couple of days.
The last 3
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i think that the rehearsals at staples start before the june 23rd, i don´t remember exactly, but today i look TII (again) and i was thinking the same... all the images of him was on the staples. if you look the stage is in different points of the construction and he wear different clothes (orange pants, golden pants, black pants)
at the end, when he do the speech in round and sing billie jean and man in the mirror are the beggining of the rehearsals because the stage is not finished, have red squares in the place where then we see the elevators, and i found strange that this speech is at the beggining of the rehearsals, it´s like putting this at the end make think that was the end of the rehearsals, but are the beggining... something fishy... :roll:
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Makes sense because the orange pants man was at the Forum in Inglewood and not at Staples. I think this guy was hired to rehearse with the dancers and MJ came in at Staples. Remeber MJ has done all of these songs thousands of times he didn't want to rehearse until the dancers were ready to do the songs with him.
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by DancingTheDream » Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:31 am
Yep... and i believe the dancer. He has no reason to lie or make it up. No agenda there from that kid.
And ive always suspected the movie was only made up from a couple of days.
thank you. You are always smart and right on.
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I agree with the idea that MJ was only involved [maybe on camera] in the last few days. When viewing TII I noticed that Judith Hills hair had grown so much since her performance in IJCSLY and when she is interviewed in the movie. Doesn't look like add ons and way too much growth for the time frames of filming they want us to believe. :?:
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Makes sense because the orange pants man was at the Forum in Inglewood and not at Staples. I think this guy was hired to rehearse with the dancers and MJ came in at Staples. Remeber MJ has done all of these songs thousands of times he didn't want to rehearse until the dancers were ready to do the songs with him.
Oooh.. really? How do you know, or how can you tell orange pants man is at the Forum?
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I have heard many times that orange pants man was not MJ, but was hand picked from many MJ Lookalikes because he had MJs moves and look and mannerisms down to a science.
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Makes sense because the orange pants man was at the Forum in Inglewood and not at Staples. I think this guy was hired to rehearse with the dancers and MJ came in at Staples. Remeber MJ has done all of these songs thousands of times he didn't want to rehearse until the dancers were ready to do the songs with him.
Oooh.. really? How do you know, or how can you tell orange pants man is at the Forum?
:lol: i have to watch again but i´m sure that orange pants is on staples... like i say before, (1)blue shirt first day of rehearsal and (2 and 3) red shirt (at least) two days... one without 777 and other with 777, and then we have (4) black pants with a line on the side, with white shirt and black t-shirt when he sing i´ll be there, and black or white with ori and thriller with the big pants with joker face on the side, and part of beat it on the elevator... (the same day, i think) :roll: and then the golden pants :?
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Well I guess this would confirm; if we can confirm that Orange pants isn't MJ.
What else does this mean? Could it mean that TII was only supposed to be a movie in the first place?
Ideas anyone?
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Makes sense because the orange pants man was at the Forum in Inglewood and not at Staples. I think this guy was hired to rehearse with the dancers and MJ came in at Staples. Remeber MJ has done all of these songs thousands of times he didn't want to rehearse until the dancers were ready to do the songs with him.
Oooh.. really? How do you know, or how can you tell orange pants man is at the Forum?
:lol: i have to watch again but i´m sure that orange pants is on staples... like i say before, (1)blue shirt first day of rehearsal and (2 and 3) red shirt (at least) two days... one without 777 and other with 777, and then we have (4) black pants with a line on the side, with white shirt and black t-shirt when he sing i´ll be there, and black or white with ori and thriller with the big pants with joker face on the side, and part of beat it on the elevator... (the same day, i think) :roll: and then the golden pants :?
I also think Orange pants was at Staples too.
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Well I guess this would confirm; if we can confirm that Orange pants isn't MJ.
What else does this mean? Could it mean that TII was only supposed to be a movie in the first place?
Ideas anyone?
My belief from day 1
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I have heard many times that orange pants man was not MJ, but was hand picked from many MJ Lookalikes because he had MJs moves and look and mannerisms down to a science.
He even talked like MJ. Watch TII again and listen to him speaking. It's amazing. He's cloned :lol:
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What the what? If you click on Kris's name the whole article will pop up and he states that mj didn't start rehearsing with the dancers until the staples centre. This means, if I am not mistaken that mj didn't rehearse with the dancers until June 23rd when the footage was filmed. I am sorry if this has already been discussed. So he rehearsed with the dancers once on the 23rd and there have been conflicting reports that he rehearsed on the 24th. I am quite shocked at this....what you guys make of this?
So and this perfect adds up to the last picture from MJ on his memorial program which refers to the whole program. And it explains why they are so exited to see him on June 4th.
Take a look and compare it to the reaction of the dancers how exited they are that Michael is there "cool move"... ;) :lol:
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What the what? If you click on Kris's name the whole article will pop up and he states that mj didn't start rehearsing with the dancers until the staples centre. This means, if I am not mistaken that mj didn't rehearse with the dancers until June 23rd when the footage was filmed. I am sorry if this has already been discussed. So he rehearsed with the dancers once on the 23rd and there have been conflicting reports that he rehearsed on the 24th. I am quite shocked at this....what you guys make of this?
theres already posts about this
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Well I guess this would confirm; if we can confirm that Orange pants isn't MJ.
What else does this mean? Could it mean that TII was only supposed to be a movie in the first place?
Ideas anyone?
My belief from day 1
Yes, absolutely agree!
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And I think that the real MJ is the one with the RED SHIRT with the 777 on it ...and the others...idk hahha
And i think i was done on a short period !
That's my thought you don't have to agree :)
Thanx for the finding
PEACE
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i've been thinking TII was only meant to be a movie. i mean, technically it is a "concert." it could be seen 50 times. and it's worldwide. (the criteria for the AGE contract?)
also, what this dancer said would confirm one of kenny's slip ups. remember when he said "i brought michael into the room with me, we lived in the editing room for weeks, 7 days a week.."
here's the link to refresh your memory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2qycVHI4I4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2qycVHI4I4)
at 2:49
okay, so let's say they shot the film over the course of 3 days. michael "left" on june 25th. but he spent the next few weeks editing TII. probably planning his own memorial as well- Kenny's "we were here a little less than a week ago." michael's a busy guy for being on a vacation.
anyway, my point is that if this dancer's story coincides with kenny's slip up....well..more proof michael is alive.
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If you watch Randy Phillips interview it says it all...and of course Frank Dileo...
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What the what? If you click on Kris's name the whole article will pop up and he states that mj didn't start rehearsing with the dancers until the staples centre. This means, if I am not mistaken that mj didn't rehearse with the dancers until June 23rd when the footage was filmed. I am sorry if this has already been discussed. So he rehearsed with the dancers once on the 23rd and there have been conflicting reports that he rehearsed on the 24th. I am quite shocked at this....what you guys make of this?
Link plz?
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It was very obvious the dancers had barely worked in his actual presence and Mike with theirs either. "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" and "Billie Jean" were first time walk-thru's which Michael says in the film. If you piece the costumes together just from those two songs (and be sure to look at the layers under the coats), you already know that 70% of this movie is from a two day rehearsal.
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Hello,
where can i find this information from the dancer ?
I will try in english what i found out....it's only my feeling ..
Saturday i watch TII the first time...shame on me....from Blu Ray.
My feeling say...only the Michael without sunglasses was the real Michael ! Look at the body language, he was so much friendly the other not so....he makes advises in a stronger way....pardon...i miss the words...
In the booklet of the album and all the photos from TII, there omly use pictures with MJ without sunglasses ! The real one !
Look at the performances....Michael was a perfektionist...in past tours you can see on youtube he has always the same performance in every city...every step is the same....look at the TII....same song, but the one with sunglasses makes a different performance like the one without !
It looks like two different stages !
Kenny says....not his words, because in that momant i look at the german subtitle...he said : we have half of the movie ! :o
I one scene "Start of "the way you make me feel ", they called this sunglasses wearung MJ : Prince !
At the end Michael was alone of the stage....he wears sunglases but i am not sure who it is...he was absolutly alone on stage, dancing...two songs...the dancer are before the stage.
There are the red lines and in the right yellow lines...
We can be wrong, but it....in the right above the big glass...like a very big laser scanner...the lines on stage are for the laser to find the points....my man knows very much about this and he said it in this moment...oh he was laser scanned !
We can be wrong....but why he was so alone there ? The dancers had to learn, not Michael !
When they performed They don't rearly care about us...you see what laser scanner can make ! 5 dancers are scanned and then there are hunderts. It seems absolut real...
In they don't rearly care about us Michael seems like he was not rearly there....the last picture when he laugh...we could see before that he was before the dancers, but from the front he seems to be behind them....a absolutly different light.
I don't know waht they have done...my men is e few days not here and he want's to have a look at the Blu Ray with a very higher solution....we habe a blue ray player with 400 hertz, but he must look with a projector and a screen....i can't this...i don't put my hands on this...
He said then we can see very more and picture by picture if there was Michael or a scan.
Sometimes i feel Michael on the picturers seems so unreal....the face like a pupped....
They have used very expensive technologie and the newest you can found....my men always and only had a look of this and he was speechless....
Another time....we can absolutly be wrong...we have only watch one time and i knwe Michael nearer only for months, but i fast have a feeling for body language and saw in a few seconds that this men with sunglasses isn't Michael !
Then the different performences....not only other clothes, other persons, other stages...no other performances...my men said other dancers, but i am not shure...i only have two eyes and when my men isn't here i am glad if i am able to make the tv on....technics are not my favorits...
I wish all of you a good day..my brain hurts...my english isn't good and i hope you understand what i will say ?
Bye, Hopeless
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A short edit...
When i write that Michael in TDRCAU looks unreal...then it can be a projektion of him....not rearly him...when he was scaned it is possible..only the face looks not so rearly good.
Was is in the past not planed to make a MJ projection on stage ? At the grammy's or in February in Las Vagas ? I thought i have read it, but it never happens...mybee they are working on it. In a movie it is possible...look Avatar and other Science fictions...but on a stage...live....that was the first time someone make it when there are able to do it.
Here is the link that says there was planed a MJ Laser Show in Las Vegas....did it ever happend ? For this they can scaned his body at the stage with this big laser, when he performes the two songs all alone on stage...it lokks like a laser scan, because there are those lights on stage and all the others where behind that...the singers ...nobody could bee in this zone where the scan was made...mybee here the real Michael was dancing and protected his eyes with the sunglasses from the laserlight...maybee..
http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/26/michael-j ... san-diego/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/26/michael-jackson-concert-tickets-san-diego/)
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All along I have thought this was just a day or two that we are shown. Oh it hurts my head to think about how much they can do with film.
Look at the current films with special effects, it is very amazing.
Orange pants guy moves more strongly and not as elegant as MJ in red shirt.
We have been watching video of MJ all these years and we know how he moves, he's poetry in motion, he's the music, not just "moves". Believe me my mind fights that idea, I want to think it is all MJ but it isn't IMO.
The booklets do not show any clothes but the red shirt with 777 and without. I have a large size book made by MJJ productions This Is It, all photos and quotes and it does not show anybody but the red shirt MJ. About 25 pages of large photos. So in my mind I don't think they wanted anybody but the real MJ in the book. They can only fool us so much eh?
I'm glad this was brought up because as has been said it gets ignored and I feel it is important for us to understand.
All of it is very confusing...
Back to simmering
Love you, all of you!
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Going on the rehearsals theme i found this article about the Bad tour rehearsal. Its from an interview with Jennifer Batten MJ guitarist during this tour.
Bad Tour Rehearsal
Rehearsals began almost immediately and they were punishing; seven days a week for two solid months. For the first month the band, singers and dancers rehearsed separately. For the second they converged in a production studio, where every element of the show came together. It was here that Batten first met Michael Jackson.
"He was very much hands on and he was an extremely hard worker. By the end of rehearsals we were running the show a minimum of once a day, sometimes twice. I would say that's the number one thing I learned from him: the value of rehearsing that much and that intensely, because by the time we hit the stage everybody was relaxed."
For something so important as TII one would think that MJ would be rehearsing day and night not just for 3 days or whatever as we are being lead to believe. What the hell is going on! Remember the concerts were pushed back - did MJ only start rehearsing during this time? We all know how important rehearsing is to a perfectionist such as Michael so a 3 days of rehearsal is no where near enough!
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I was searching at the United States Copyright Office and found this:
Audiovisual and audio recordings of June 23, 2009 and June 24, 2009...
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Type of Work Preregistered: Sound Recording
Motion Picture
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Preregistration Number / Date: PRE000002494 / 2009-07-02
Application Title: Audiovisual and audio recordings of June 23, 2009 and June 24, 2009 Rehearsals for Michael Jackson ?This Is It? Concert Tour
Title: Audiovisual and audio recordings of June 23, 2009 and June 24, 2009 Rehearsals for Michael Jackson ?This Is It? Concert Tour
Copyright Claimant: AEG Live, LLC. Address: 5750 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 501, Los Angeles, CA, 90036.
Creation of Work Began: 2009-06-23
Date of Anticipated Completion: 2009-09 (Approximate)
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Description of Work: Audiovisual and sound recordings of June 23, 2009 and June 24, 2009 rehearsals at Staples Center in Los Angeles for Michael Jackson?s ?This Is It? concert tour, with Michael Jackson, band (Alfred Dunbar (bass), Roger Bashiri Johnson (percussion), Jonathan Moffett (drums), Thomas Organ (guitar), Orianthi Panagaris (lead guitar), and Morris Pleasure (keyboard)), dancers (Nicholas Bass, Daniel Celebre, Mekia Cox, Christopher Grant, Misha Hamilton, Shannon Holtzapffel, Devin Jamieson, Charles Klapow, Ricardo Reid, Danielle Rueda Watts, Tyne Stecklein, and Timor Steffens), back-up singers (Judith Hill, Dorian Holley, Darryl Phinnesse and Kenneth Stacey), staff, and crew. Performer / co-creator: Michael Jackson. Director/ choreographer / co-creator / producer: Kenny Ortega (as work for hire). Audiovisual recordings made by documentarians Sandrine Orabona and Tim Patterson and video director Bruce Green and crew (as work for hire). Sound recordings made by sound engineer William Sheppell, Jr. Music in the genres of pop, rhythm & blues, and rock. Partial dress rehearsals, with some performers in costume and other performers out of costume. Performed with sets and audiovisual displays. Songs performed include: ?Startin? Somethin?,? ?Jam,? ?They Don?t Care About Us/Drill,? ?Human Nature,? ?Smooth Criminal,? ?The Way You Make Me Feel,? ?Black or White,? ?Jackson 5 Medley,? ?Off the Wall,? ?I Just Can?t Stop Loving You,? ?Dangerous,? ?Thriller/Threatened,? ?Beat It,? ?We are the World,? and ?Earth Song.? Songs are derivative of songs previously released and copyrighted.
Names: AEG Live, LLC
Photographs Taken at Rehearsals for Michael Jackson "This Is It" Concert Tour
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Preregistration Number / Date: PRE000002492 / 2009-07-02
Application Title: Photographs Taken at Rehearsals for Michael Jackson "This Is It" Concert Tour
Title: Photographs Taken at Rehearsals for Michael Jackson "This Is It" Concert Tour
Copyright Claimant: AEG Live, LLC. Address: 5750 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 501, Los Angeles, CA, 90036.
Creation of Work Began: 2009-05-06
Date of Anticipated Completion: 2009-07 (Approximate)
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Authorship on Application: AEG Live, LLC.
Description of Work: More than 1,000 color, digital, still photographs taken on May 6, 2009, June 22, 2009, and June 23, 2009 in connection with rehearsals for Michael Jackson?s ?This Is It? concert tour. May 6, 2009 photographs taken by John Shearer (staff photographer for Getty Images (US), Inc.) (as work for hire) at Center Staging in Burbank, California. June 22, 2009 and June 23, 2009 photographs taken by Kevin Mazur (contributing photographer (free-lance) for Getty Images (US), Inc.) (as work for hire) at Staples Center in Los Angeles, California. May 6, 2009 photographs depict rehearsal of concert performance by Michael Jackson, band, dancers, and back-up singers. June 22, 2009 photographs are portraits of band, dancers, and back-up singers. June 23, 2009 photographs depict rehearsal of concert performance by Michael Jackson, band, dancers, and back-up singers, with sets and audiovisual displays; director, staff, and crew in background of photographs.
Names: AEG Live, LLC
Documentary footage re rehearsals and behind the scenes for Michael Jackson...
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Application Title: Documentary footage re rehearsals and behind the scenes for Michael Jackson ?This Is It? Concert Tour
Title: Documentary footage re rehearsals and behind the scenes for Michael Jackson ?This Is It? Concert Tour
Copyright Claimant: AEG Live, LLC. Address: 5750 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 501, Los Angeles, CA, 90036.
Creation of Work Began: 2009-04-13
Date of Anticipated Completion: 2009-09 (Approximate)
Projected Date of Publication: 2009- (Approximate)
Authorship on Application: AEG Live, LLC.
Description of Work: Audiovisual recordings shot in the Los Angeles, California area by and on behalf of documentarians Tim Patterson and Sandrine Orabona (as work for hire) in connection with preparations and rehearsals for Michael Jackson?s ?This Is It? Concert Tour. Includes footage shot at (1) Center Staging in Burbank, California from May 18, 2009 through June 1, 2009, (2) Stimulated, Inc. in Burbank, California on May 29, 2009, (3) Culver Studios in Culver City, California on June 1, 2009 through June 10, 2009, (4) the Forum in Inglewood, California on June 1, 2009 through June 21, 2009, and (5) Staples Center in Los Angeles, California from June 22, 2009 through June 25, 2009. Footage includes, inter alia: (1) On-stage rehearsals, creative meetings, and behind-the-scenes footage of Michael Jackson and/or band, dancers, and singers. With Michael Bearden (musical director), Alfred Dunbar (bass), Roger Bashiri Johnson (percussion), Jonathan Moffett (drums), Thomas Organ (guitar), Orianthi Panagaris (lead guitar), and Morris Pleasure (keyboard); singers Judith Hill, Dorian Holley, Darryl Phinnesse and Kenneth Stacey; director Kenny Ortega; choreographers Travis Payne, Anthony Testa, and Stacey Walker; Karen Faye Heinze (hair and make up); Michael Bush (costumes); other members of the crew and other persons (including personnel of Stimulated, Inc.); and fans; and (2) Michael Jackson singing and dancing in 3D and 2D formats, for the background Chaos LED screen to be set onstage behind him during his performance. Also footage shot by Steve Stone Productions at the Nokia Theater in Los Angeles, California and Center Staging in Burbank, California from April 13, 2009 through May 2009 of dancers? auditions for Nicholas Bass, Daniel Celebre, Mekia Cox, Christopher Grant, Misha Hamilton, Shannon Holtzapffel, Devin Jamieson, Charles Klapow, Ricardo Reid, Danielle Rueda Watts, Tyne Stecklein, and Timor Steffens.
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Video sequences and visual programs to be shown on audiovisual screens at...
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Preregistration Number / Date: PRE000002491 / 2009-07-02
Application Title: Video sequences and visual programs to be shown on audiovisual screens at Michael Jackson "This Is It" Concert Tour
Title: Video sequences and visual programs to be shown on audiovisual screens at Michael Jackson "This Is It" Concert Tour
Copyright Claimant: AEG Live, LLC. Address: 5750 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 501, Los Angeles, CA, 90036.
Creation of Work Began: 2009-05-17
Date of Anticipated Completion: 2009-08 (Approximate)
Projected Date of Publication: 2009- (Approximate)
Authorship on Application: AEG Live, LLC.
Description of Work: Video sequences and visual programs to be shown on audiovisual screens prior to, during, and immediately after concert performances by Michael Jackson on ?This Is It? concert tour. Video sequences/visual programs made by employees of Stimulated, Inc. (as work for hire). Video sequences include the ?Dome Project,? consisting of seven works: ?Smooth Criminal? (Michael Jackson inserted into classic 2-D black-and-white film noir chase sequence); ?Thriller? (3-D movie starting in a haunted house with a ghostly image of Vincent Price, then moving into a graveyard where the dead awaken); ?Earth Song? (3-D short film featuring little girl who wanders through rain forest, takes a nap and dreams of the splendor of nature, and awakens to find the natural world has been devastated); ?They Don?t Care About Us? (a/k/a ?Drill?) (2-D film in which a sea of soldiers march in unison; 10 male dancers replicated hundreds of times); ?MJ Air? (3-D movie in which a 707 jet pulls into the frame; hole was to open in screen for Michael Jackson to enter; jet flies away); ?The Final Message? (3-D movie of little girl from rain forest embracing the earth); and ?The Way You Make Me Feel? (2-D theatrical background featuring male dancers fashioned as historical construction workers). Other video sequences include: ?Flashes and Glimpses? (historical timeline of last century in 90 seconds); ?Startin? Somethin?? (animation with letters ?MJ? and words ?This Is It?); ?Jackson 5 Medley? (graphic animation featuring Jackson 5 logo); ?I Just Can?t Stop Loving You? (animation of a baroque hall of mirrors); ?Dangerous? (graphic animation replicating brainwaves); ?Dirty Diana? (graphic animation replicating fire); ?We are the World? (graphic animation containing religious icons); and ?Heal the World? (stock footage of children).
Names: AEG Live, LLC
THIS IS IT.
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Registration Number / Date: PA0001648138 / 2009-10-28
Application Title: MICHAEL JACKSON’S THIS IS IT.
Title: THIS IS IT.
Description: 6 Film reels ; 35mm.
Copyright Claimant: The Michael Jackson Company, LLC, Transfer: By written agreement. Address: ATTN: John Branca c/o Ziffren Brittenham, LLP, 1801 Century Park West, Los Angeles, CA 90067 United States.
Date of Creation: 2009
Date of Publication: 2009-10-27
Nation of First Publication: United States
Authorship on Application: The Michael Jackson Company, LLC, employer for hire; Domicile: United States. Authorship: entire motion picture.
AEG Live, LLC, employer for hire; Domicile: United States. Authorship: entire motion picture.
Alternative Title on Application: This Is It
Preregistered as: PRE000002491
PRE000002492
PRE000002493
PRE000002494
Pre-existing Material: preexisting footage, preexisting photograph(s), preexisting music, Previously published graphic designs / cartoon character on clothing.
Basis of Claim: all other cinematographic material, production as a motion picture.
Names: Ortega, Kenny
Michael Jackson Company, LLC
AEG Live, LLC
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Hi guys.
I'll have to check it later BUT for now , I have to ask this :
In a small booklet that I've got with TII , there is a small pic with Mike wearing shades,making his hand a fist , is next to Orianthi and behind him there is ... Travis.
It is 99,99% from TDCAU.
HAVE WE EVER SEEN THAT SCENE IN TII ???? :shock:
WTH is going on ?
( Sorry I can't post the pic but I know what I'm seeing. I haven't lost it ...yet). :lol:
Any ideas , please 'cause I think I'm really close to loose it this time. :shock:
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SO WILL SOME BRAVE PERSON OUT THERE PLEASE SUMMERISE THIS FOR ME AS I AM SOME WHAT CONFUSED........XXXXX THANKS
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@ adventureland what's the relevance of the info you have posted - I'm a bit lost :?:
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I think we should write a petition asking for a clarification of all our doubts. Why should the days that Michael practised be hidden from us?
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@ the_gloved_one
It seems to me, MJ rehearsed on stage only on the 23. and 24.06.!!!
So not enough time to get the show ready. Its difficult for me to explain what I really want to say, because my english is soooooo bad. All I want to say is: A Multi-Million-Dollar-Show on one side and a very bad time-organisation on the other side. Thats all so stupid!!!
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I wonder that we don't see one rehersal for the song " This it is "!
The concerts are named " This it is "...so anybody thought he will sing this new song....but it wasn't on the playlist !
No rehersal, no coreographie...i never heard Michael sing this song.
Only at the screen credits you can hear this song....
:shock: :shock: :shock:
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Yes there are only a few scenes when you see Michael...i mean evrey time without sunglasses...there you can feel Michael and see that he has fun and loves what he does.
My english dosn't make me able to tell all i think....there was so much to discuss, but i surch the words...
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For me the show would not have finished until 13.07.
The only question to myself is: Went Michael into hiding or had AEG murdered him???
What did Randy Phillips say????? "DO OR DIE" .... that rings in my ears every day!!!
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http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/11/01/d ... als-55548/ (http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/11/01/drugged-exhausted-mj-could-barely-walk-during-this-is-it-rehearsals-55548/)
‘Drugged, exhausted’ MJ ‘could barely walk’ during This Is It rehearsals
LONDON - King of Pop Michael Jackson used golf cart to whisk him to and from his car during This Is It tour rehearsals, because he was so drugged and exhausted he could barely walk, it has been revealed.
In the new movie This Is It, the late singer is shown as a master at work as he leaps around the stage at Los Angeles Staples Center.
However, aides have revealed behind the scenes he was a wreck who could hardly stand.
“Everyone in the house knew Michael was not himself, and was clearly under the influence of drugs. I was amazed at how he looks on film, because in the flesh he was a shadow of himself. He was thin, almost anorexic, pale and didn’t seem to have enough energy to walk across the room, let alone dance,” News of the World quoted concert promoter and friend Terry Harvey as saying.
“He had a sharp mind, but he was deluded, hampered by the drugs. He didn’t know what he was saying to people. To make his life easy he would just say ‘yes’.
“He was walking around in a daze like a zombie,” Harvey added.
Harvey also said: “To me that movie is all smoke and mirrors. Michael was struggling with his dance moves and schedule.
“Michael was not fit enough - he couldn’t pull off a tour if his life depended it. They took the best bits of the video and made it into this movie.
“The rehearsals were long days, and Michael was tired. He hadn’t been on stage for over 10 years and wasn’t used to the physical demands of long days. Some days he didn’t even turn up to rehearsals,” Harvey added.
A source close to the production said: “Michael was exhausted. Some days he barely said a word. He slumped down in a chair and would just get talked at. During one rehearsal he nodded off.”
Choreographer Travis Payne admitted Jackson, who died in June, used the golf cart to whisk him to and from his car, parked a few yards from the stage.
Both Payne and promoter Randy Phillips were worried about the star’s weight and mental welfare.
“He used to forget to eat because he was so focused and Kenny Ortega and I used to cut up his food and physically feed him,” Phillips said.
One friend said: “The hard work needed was just too much for him, and his mood became very dark by the end. He was a gibbering wreck.
“He shouted out, ‘They are pushing me and I can’t take it anymore. They are gonna kill me’.” (ANI)
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http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz ... rsals.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/575907/Sick-Michael-Jackson-drove-a-golf-card-after-This-is-It-rehearsals.html)
Blame it on the buggy
. . . a golf buggy to take him the few yards to his car because he was so drugged and exhausted he could barely WALK.
In the new movie This Is It, Jacko is shown as a master at work as he leaps around the stage at Los Angeles Staples Center. But aides have revealed behind the scenes he was a wreck who could hardly stand let alone moonwalk across the stage.
Concert promoter and friend Terry Harvey revealed: "Everyone in the house knew Michael was not himself, and was clearly under the influence of drugs. I was amazed at how he looks on film, because in the flesh he was a shadow of himself. He was thin, almost anorexic, pale and didn't seem to have enough energy to walk across the room, let alone dance. "He had a sharp mind, but he was deluded, hampered by the drugs. He didn't know what he was saying to people. To make his life easy he would just say 'yes'.
"He was walking around in a daze like a zombie."
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@ the_gloved_one
It seems to me, MJ rehearsed on stage only on the 23. and 24.06.!!!
So not enough time to get the show ready. Its difficult for me to explain what I really want to say, because my english is soooooo bad. All I want to say is: A Multi-Million-Dollar-Show on one side and a very bad time-organisation on the other side. Thats all so stupid!!!
If Mike was only on stage for 2 days then stories of him being over stressed and over worked from rehearsals are truly fabricated. So he wouldn't need such drastic measures to get to sleep every night... :lol: I wonder where he would go when people thought he was going to rehearse.
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Sorry I don't believe that story. We' ve all seen him in the pic when he's walking and talking to his son Prince. How could he do that if he was drugged all the time.
I just saw TII yesterday and I have to say I feel he wasn't able to do the concerts cause he really doesn't look well. He looks too skinny and fragile. He still dances pretty good for his age. But seeing him like that really hurts me. What was wrong? Why was he so skinny? In one scene when he's talking he really is out of breath.
After watching TII I must admit I think it might be possible he really did pass away :cry:
I hope you guys don't get mad at me for saying this but it's just my feelings after watching TII :oops:
Anyway I still have a very little bit hope and that's why I stay here no matter what till June 25.
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after he died (?) there was a programme about the rehearsals at the venue prior to the staples - but cant find it on YT yet
so does anyone who
A) when the rehearsals started
B) where they were prior to the move to the staples
C) when the stage stuff was to be moved to 02
thank you
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http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/11/01/drugged-exhausted-mj-could-barely-walk-during-this-is-it-rehearsals-55548/
‘Drugged, exhausted’ MJ ‘could barely walk’ during This Is It rehearsals
LONDON - King of Pop Michael Jackson used golf cart to whisk him to and from his car during This Is It tour rehearsals, because he was so drugged and exhausted he could barely walk, it has been revealed.
In the new movie This Is It, the late singer is shown as a master at work as he leaps around the stage at Los Angeles Staples Center.
However, aides have revealed behind the scenes he was a wreck who could hardly stand.
“Everyone in the house knew Michael was not himself, and was clearly under the influence of drugs. I was amazed at how he looks on film, because in the flesh he was a shadow of himself. He was thin, almost anorexic, pale and didn’t seem to have enough energy to walk across the room, let alone dance,” News of the World quoted concert promoter and friend Terry Harvey as saying.
“He had a sharp mind, but he was deluded, hampered by the drugs. He didn’t know what he was saying to people. To make his life easy he would just say ‘yes’.
“He was walking around in a daze like a zombie,” Harvey added.
Harvey also said: “To me that movie is all smoke and mirrors. Michael was struggling with his dance moves and schedule.
“Michael was not fit enough - he couldn’t pull off a tour if his life depended it. They took the best bits of the video and made it into this movie.
“The rehearsals were long days, and Michael was tired. He hadn’t been on stage for over 10 years and wasn’t used to the physical demands of long days. Some days he didn’t even turn up to rehearsals,” Harvey added.
A source close to the production said: “Michael was exhausted. Some days he barely said a word. He slumped down in a chair and would just get talked at. During one rehearsal he nodded off.”
Choreographer Travis Payne admitted Jackson, who died in June, used the golf cart to whisk him to and from his car, parked a few yards from the stage.
Both Payne and promoter Randy Phillips were worried about the star’s weight and mental welfare.
“He used to forget to eat because he was so focused and Kenny Ortega and I used to cut up his food and physically feed him,” Phillips said.
One friend said: “The hard work needed was just too much for him, and his mood became very dark by the end. He was a gibbering wreck.
“He shouted out, ‘They are pushing me and I can’t take it anymore. They are gonna kill me’.” (ANI)
Which is interestingly contradicted by this testimonial by one of the dancers, Kriyss Grant :
"On the last rehearsal. "He was his old self. He was interacting with us, giving us suggestions, making changes. In the beginning, he let everyone else run things. Then, he was like, ‘This is my show. We’re going to do it how I want to do it.’ I loved it. That’s something I always wanted to see. I thought he was being taken advantage of in the beginning because he was older. … And you could tell he had something to say, but he wouldn’t say it. But that last day, he took over. He knew what he wanted. The dancers were like, ‘Good, he’s speaking up.’ The dancers had Michael’s back".
At the beginning there was a passive, weak, and barely conscient Michael, doing whatever KO would tell, and that on the last rehearsal all changed and he suddenly "was his old self" !
It's to wonder if the man at the beginning and the man at the end was the same person !!! LOL
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Now please think about this:MJ completed the rehearsals in just 2 days 48 hrs, but Kenny Ortega says he had 100 plus hours of footage. Does this mean he is lying, or does he mean he filmed the dancers rehearsing on the other days without MJ??
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http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/11/01/drugged-exhausted-mj-could-barely-walk-during-this-is-it-rehearsals-55548/
‘Drugged, exhausted’ MJ ‘could barely walk’ during This Is It rehearsals
LONDON - King of Pop Michael Jackson used golf cart to whisk him to and from his car during This Is It tour rehearsals, because he was so drugged and exhausted he could barely walk, it has been revealed.
In the new movie This Is It, the late singer is shown as a master at work as he leaps around the stage at Los Angeles Staples Center.
However, aides have revealed behind the scenes he was a wreck who could hardly stand.
“Everyone in the house knew Michael was not himself, and was clearly under the influence of drugs. I was amazed at how he looks on film, because in the flesh he was a shadow of himself. He was thin, almost anorexic, pale and didn’t seem to have enough energy to walk across the room, let alone dance,” News of the World quoted concert promoter and friend Terry Harvey as saying.
“He had a sharp mind, but he was deluded, hampered by the drugs. He didn’t know what he was saying to people. To make his life easy he would just say ‘yes’.
“He was walking around in a daze like a zombie,” Harvey added.
Harvey also said: “To me that movie is all smoke and mirrors. Michael was struggling with his dance moves and schedule.
“Michael was not fit enough - he couldn’t pull off a tour if his life depended it. They took the best bits of the video and made it into this movie.
“The rehearsals were long days, and Michael was tired. He hadn’t been on stage for over 10 years and wasn’t used to the physical demands of long days. Some days he didn’t even turn up to rehearsals,” Harvey added.
A source close to the production said: “Michael was exhausted. Some days he barely said a word. He slumped down in a chair and would just get talked at. During one rehearsal he nodded off.”
Choreographer Travis Payne admitted Jackson, who died in June, used the golf cart to whisk him to and from his car, parked a few yards from the stage.
Both Payne and promoter Randy Phillips were worried about the star’s weight and mental welfare.
“He used to forget to eat because he was so focused and Kenny Ortega and I used to cut up his food and physically feed him,” Phillips said.
One friend said: “The hard work needed was just too much for him, and his mood became very dark by the end. He was a gibbering wreck.
“He shouted out, ‘They are pushing me and I can’t take it anymore. They are gonna kill me’.” (ANI)
Which is interestingly contradicted by this testimonial by one of the dancers, Kriyss Grant :
"On the last rehearsal. "He was his old self. He was interacting with us, giving us suggestions, making changes. In the beginning, he let everyone else run things. Then, he was like, ‘This is my show. We’re going to do it how I want to do it.’ I loved it. That’s something I always wanted to see. I thought he was being taken advantage of in the beginning because he was older. … And you could tell he had something to say, but he wouldn’t say it. But that last day, he took over. He knew what he wanted. The dancers were like, ‘Good, he’s speaking up.’ The dancers had Michael’s back".
At the beginning there was a passive, weak, and barely conscient Michael, doing whatever KO would tell, and that on the last rehearsal all changed and he suddenly "was his old self" !
It's to wonder if the man at the beginning and the man at the end was the same person !!! LOL
first part :( :cry: :(
last part :cry: :( :? :) :D ;)
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when I saw This IS IT the first and second time I could tell Mike was under the influence of something. He slurred several times in conversation, didn't look well, and the amount of times he was forgetting his lyrics even though the monitor prompts were on the floor speaks volumes to me. I also could tell this was most likely the first or second day only of full rehearsal with dancers. He was marking most of his steps and very unsure of some of his marks in the group numbers, just walking in circles getting direction from the crew. I did feel very much for him that he now knew he had 50 shows and couldn't pull it off.
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adventureland GREAT find... I did not think of going to the library of Congress
Of course for the copyrights they cannot lie. So it a FACT that Michael was there only 3 days
Case closed on this subject
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..Dancer didn't rehearse with michael until staples...ok...
But michael rehearse without them. In TII, we can see:
He make a rehearse with the musician in the way you make me feel. It's probable before, because they fix the beat of this song and they were in a practice studio. The reheasal with musician he wear a a popeye's t-shirt.
When they make some takes in culver studio, the dancers are there for the films... and the real michael too...he explain some moves.
he also make a rehearse alone on the stage, without the dancers on it, they were looking at him.
...I think yeah, maybe MJ didn't rehearse a lot with the dancers ON stage, but he had practice with the musician and he practice is song...without the dancers.
He know his move. he didn't have to pratice a lot. The important thing i think, is the dancers have to know it well before rehearsing with MJ...
lol hope my english is not to bad...
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now hold on everyone seems to be jumping to conclusions here, yes the article says that MJ didnt rehearse untill staples, now tell me where in the article that it says the exact date this was..... we dont know when or for how long mike was at staples, for all we know he could have done a day in there and the rest were at other locations then back to the staples again..... i posted a vid of fans outside the staples on the 3rd of June, listening to Mj rehearse The way you make me feel.
now as for orange pants, i know that many think that its a double, but there is no way in hell that they could get an exact double, Navi was asked to be the double for the Dirty Diana ending.... he looks Nothing like Michael !!
if you watch the DVD you see michael watching Thriller performance... the full thing in 3D and what it would have looked like on stage... and of course Travis done the MJ bit, and im sure that if they werre rehearsing, they were doing it with travis on stage with michael at the desk looking on and giving advice.
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http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/11/01/drugged-exhausted-mj-could-barely-walk-during-this-is-it-rehearsals-55548/
‘Drugged, exhausted’ MJ ‘could barely walk’ during This Is It rehearsals
LONDON - King of Pop Michael Jackson used golf cart to whisk him to and from his car during This Is It tour rehearsals, because he was so drugged and exhausted he could barely walk, it has been revealed.
In the new movie This Is It, the late singer is shown as a master at work as he leaps around the stage at Los Angeles Staples Center.
However, aides have revealed behind the scenes he was a wreck who could hardly stand.
“Everyone in the house knew Michael was not himself, and was clearly under the influence of drugs. I was amazed at how he looks on film, because in the flesh he was a shadow of himself. He was thin, almost anorexic, pale and didn’t seem to have enough energy to walk across the room, let alone dance,” News of the World quoted concert promoter and friend Terry Harvey as saying.
“He had a sharp mind, but he was deluded, hampered by the drugs. He didn’t know what he was saying to people. To make his life easy he would just say ‘yes’.
“He was walking around in a daze like a zombie,” Harvey added.
Harvey also said: “To me that movie is all smoke and mirrors. Michael was struggling with his dance moves and schedule.
“Michael was not fit enough - he couldn’t pull off a tour if his life depended it. They took the best bits of the video and made it into this movie.
“The rehearsals were long days, and Michael was tired. He hadn’t been on stage for over 10 years and wasn’t used to the physical demands of long days. Some days he didn’t even turn up to rehearsals,” Harvey added.
A source close to the production said: “Michael was exhausted. Some days he barely said a word. He slumped down in a chair and would just get talked at. During one rehearsal he nodded off.”
Choreographer Travis Payne admitted Jackson, who died in June, used the golf cart to whisk him to and from his car, parked a few yards from the stage.
Both Payne and promoter Randy Phillips were worried about the star’s weight and mental welfare.
“He used to forget to eat because he was so focused and Kenny Ortega and I used to cut up his food and physically feed him,” Phillips said.
One friend said: “The hard work needed was just too much for him, and his mood became very dark by the end. He was a gibbering wreck.
“He shouted out, ‘They are pushing me and I can’t take it anymore. They are gonna kill me’.” (ANI)
Which is interestingly contradicted by this testimonial by one of the dancers, Kriyss Grant :
"On the last rehearsal. "He was his old self. He was interacting with us, giving us suggestions, making changes. In the beginning, he let everyone else run things. Then, he was like, ‘This is my show. We’re going to do it how I want to do it.’ I loved it. That’s something I always wanted to see. I thought he was being taken advantage of in the beginning because he was older. … And you could tell he had something to say, but he wouldn’t say it. But that last day, he took over. He knew what he wanted. The dancers were like, ‘Good, he’s speaking up.’ The dancers had Michael’s back".
At the beginning there was a passive, weak, and barely conscient Michael, doing whatever KO would tell, and that on the last rehearsal all changed and he suddenly "was his old self" !
It's to wonder if the man at the beginning and the man at the end was the same person !!! LOL
first part :( :cry: :(
last part :cry: :( :? :) :D ;)
Hay wait a minute.. this is the same Randy Phillips that said he would trade his body for Michael's anyday?? :?
I smell FISH!
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Sorry, but I don't think Michael only rehearsed the last couple of days. There have been numerous fan reports describing they talked to him entering/leaving rehearsals, listening to him rehearse (there is even youtube video of that), including detailed information of exactly WHICH rehearsals he skipped. It's also obvious from the recordings that they were filmed on different days. In addition, there are weight differences visible, probably the result of a better diet and trying to gain weight over a period of a few months.
It's just nonsense.
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Sorry, but I don't think Michael only rehearsed the last couple of days. There have been numerous fan reports describing they talked to him entering/leaving rehearsals, listening to him rehearse (there is even youtube video of that), including detailed information of exactly WHICH rehearsals he skipped. It's also obvious from the recordings that they were filmed on different days. In addition, there are weight differences visible, probably the result of a better diet and trying to gain weight over a period of a few months.
It's just nonsense.
@raven i would be grateful if you could provide the links please
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Sorry, but I don't think Michael only rehearsed the last couple of days. There have been numerous fan reports describing they talked to him entering/leaving rehearsals, listening to him rehearse (there is even youtube video of that), including detailed information of exactly WHICH rehearsals he skipped. It's also obvious from the recordings that they were filmed on different days. In addition, there are weight differences visible, probably the result of a better diet and trying to gain weight over a period of a few months.
It's just nonsense.
@raven i would be grateful if you could provide the links please
Many of the skipped rehearsals + links are in the timeline @ Debategraph: http://debategraph.org/Stream.aspx?mid=1504 (http://debategraph.org/Stream.aspx?mid=1504)
(anyone feel welcome to help with the timeline!)
Most of the sources concerning rehearsals were fan testimonies of This Is Not It. On youtube is a video of fans standing outside the staples center, evesdropping on Michael rehearsing inside. I'll try and find it
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Not the video I ment, but whilst searching for it I came across this series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwx_aRl2_Wg&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwx_aRl2_Wg&NR=1)
It's just audio.
Ill keep searching for the other one
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adventureland GREAT find... I did not think of going to the library of Congress
Of course for the copyrights they cannot lie. So it a FACT that Michael was there only 3 days
Case closed on this subject
Great find,these are facts,right?
Here we can see exactly what happened where and when.
Amen, its clear. The only important thing that we cannot answer for sure is WHY. But things will reveal.
And the golfcartarticle is absolute crap,IMO. Read the other articles mentioned...
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Here is the evesdropping video rehearsal of This Is It:
[youtube:1dc8uw8p]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3GxQLBswKE[/youtube:1dc8uw8p]
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Rehearsals Move to L.A. Arena
By: Roger Friedman // Thursday June 25, 2009
Michael Jackson: his rehearsals for his London shows have now moved, full throttle, to the Staples Center in Los Angeles.
The Jacko crew had to wait until the L.A. Lakers were done with their season. The Lakers won the NBA championship last week. Now it’s time for Jacko.
My sources say that, despite rumors and potential lawsuits, the Jackson extravaganza is taking shape nicely. Michael, they say, is determined to be in shape for the shows. The occasional doctor’s visit or odd public outing is just for publicity.
In preparing for the 50 London shows, Jackson has at last signed former manager Frank DiLeo to oversee the proceedings. DiLeo was Jackson’s manager during the “Thriller” era. He’s also pretty much the only associate of the singer’s who didn’t rip him off, hasn’t sued him, or written anything bad about him.
The Staples rehearsals will proceed until next Friday, when the whole thing is packed up and shipped to London on July 3rd. That will leave a 10 day countdown until the first show at the O2 Arena. Stay tuned…
http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/2009/06/page/3/ (http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/2009/06/page/3/)
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http://www.mj-777.com/?p=2253 (http://www.mj-777.com/?p=2253)
Sorry I had meant to post the link to Kryiss Grant interview...click on his name in red for the whole interview. As you have seen in the last few posts, they started at the staples centre for those last few rehearsals. I also think that Kryiss Grant meant that MJ rehearsed with them only when they got to Staples not that he had never been to rehearsals. Even Kenny et al said that they used doubles to stand in at the other rehearsals so the fans outside weren't necessarily hearing Michael perform live. Some say he just wasn't that into touring again and I would not blame him. It didn't stop him from creating though...the whole dome project was going on for the first three weeks in June and I think that is where he wanted to be ....creating that. That's where we saw him taking his kids on June 3rd and didn't look tired and on drugs or anything like that. What did "they" do to him those last few weeks when they realized he may not go through with it? Did they threaten him, drug him....he seemed happy in the picture that day on June 3rd with his kids...he waved to the cameras and smiled.....we WILL get to the bottom of this....I am so glad to have you all here to talk this through! :)
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Well yes @ mjkate he did skip a lot of rehearsals it seems, that's for sure, especially nearing 25th june. At the same time security was doubled, tripled, quadroupled, so there definately was something going on
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@mjkate I think the same. But you wrote: "when they realized he may not go through with it" I would say "when they realized THEY not go through with it." Because, AEG are the bad organizer!!! If MJ had enough time and only 10 concerts, he gone through with it!!! (Hope you understand what I mean :oops: )
Because they canceled some shows and say something like "MJ was not ready". And then it was clear, the timelime wasnt ready, because Madonna was playing in the O2-Arena.
And I must say it again and again.... a MULTI-MILLION-DOLLAR-SHOW... and they have not enough time to rehearse, the Light-man wasnt ready, Madonna.... and on and on and on.... ???? Thats all not logically to me. :x
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Rehearsals Move to L.A. Arena
By: Roger Friedman // Thursday June 25, 2009
Michael Jackson: his rehearsals for his London shows have now moved, full throttle, to the Staples Center in Los Angeles.
The Jacko crew had to wait until the L.A. Lakers were done with their season. The Lakers won the NBA championship last week. Now it’s time for Jacko.
My sources say that, despite rumors and potential lawsuits, the Jackson extravaganza is taking shape nicely. Michael, they say, is determined to be in shape for the shows. The occasional doctor’s visit or odd public outing is just for publicity.
In preparing for the 50 London shows, Jackson has at last signed former manager Frank DiLeo to oversee the proceedings. DiLeo was Jackson’s manager during the “Thriller” era. He’s also pretty much the only associate of the singer’s who didn’t rip him off, hasn’t sued him, or written anything bad about him.
The Staples rehearsals will proceed until next Friday, when the whole thing is packed up and shipped to London on July 3rd. That will leave a 10 day countdown until the first show at the O2 Arena. Stay tuned…
http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/2009/06/page/3/ (http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/2009/06/page/3/)
WOW! :shock:
AT LEAST ONE GOOD ARTICLE! POSITIVE!
HE IS FINE, RELAX! TAKE IT EASY!
REMEMBER: IS A GREAT ADEVENTURE, ENJOY THE RIDE!
TII WAS IS AND WILL BE ALWAAYS A MOVIE!
LOVE YOU MJ!
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Travis Payne rehearsed the dancers before they rehearsed with Michael ,no big deal.
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WHat I would say,is that I am sure that when you have to start a 50 dates tour,of those HUGE dimensions, you would need almost a year for preparing and rehearsing.ALso the casting for dancers had been done too late in my opinion...
c'mon...how can you invest so much money,and start rehearsing and preparing the show a pair of months before?!! Can't believe...
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Maybe he did not have to rehearse like the dancers he had been there before , and as he said to a dancer save your energy for the audience
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is this a coincidence, the title THE WAY YOU MAKE ME FEEL that fans listening to the outside is the same as found in the film THIS IS IT.écoutez at 3'59-4'00, mike stops to sing like in the movie saying it is not satisfied, he did not feel transported, he wants the song is more longue.serait chance that the song that fans have registered is the same as film.Michael have repeated this song once.
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My take on this is the people that know about the hoax say the usual he was a druggy could barely dance was in bad shape now the dancers most likely aren't in on the hoax and they say what they see without any influence and it's the opposite of what the people in the hoax are seeing, was Michael skinny yeah but I doubt he was a drug addict and if he was under the influence of something remember he is prepping a hoax here not going to see his family and friends will leave us the fans for a long time he must of been stressed to the max
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For the poster who asked about the "This Is It" song. This is it was released only after 06/25. Correct? They just found it and stuck it out there as a new release.
I am not sure if the case is closed because Library of Congress said what it did, but it is a good start.
I just remembered something very important (and I am sure that those LOC entries were cross references or could be the only references but let's see).
I know this for fact because my husband works in TV, he has his own show and has done work like this for over 20 years. When you compile a piece of footage that contains music, you must source all of it and turn it over to the Library of Congress (we only turn this over to the TV station, and it goes other places after that). This is to insure no copyrights have been infringed upon.
I have a question for adventureland. Did the references actually state "Michael Jackson and This is it? Because I see "??" in the query. Did you put the question marks in there as if to ask was this about him and the show?
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viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5892&p=93328&hilit=jhon#p93328 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5892&p=93328&hilit=jhon#p93328)
this was in another post and I thought it might help a bit here
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http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/11/01/drugged-exhausted-mj-could-barely-walk-during-this-is-it-rehearsals-55548/
‘Drugged, exhausted’ MJ ‘could barely walk’ during This Is It rehearsals
LONDON - King of Pop Michael Jackson used golf cart to whisk him to and from his car during This Is It tour rehearsals, because he was so drugged and exhausted he could barely walk, it has been revealed.
In the new movie This Is It, the late singer is shown as a master at work as he leaps around the stage at Los Angeles Staples Center.
However, aides have revealed behind the scenes he was a wreck who could hardly stand.
“Everyone in the house knew Michael was not himself, and was clearly under the influence of drugs. I was amazed at how he looks on film, because in the flesh he was a shadow of himself. He was thin, almost anorexic, pale and didn’t seem to have enough energy to walk across the room, let alone dance,” News of the World quoted concert promoter and friend Terry Harvey as saying.
“He had a sharp mind, but he was deluded, hampered by the drugs. He didn’t know what he was saying to people. To make his life easy he would just say ‘yes’.
“He was walking around in a daze like a zombie,” Harvey added.
Harvey also said: “To me that movie is all smoke and mirrors. Michael was struggling with his dance moves and schedule.
“Michael was not fit enough - he couldn’t pull off a tour if his life depended it. They took the best bits of the video and made it into this movie.
“The rehearsals were long days, and Michael was tired. He hadn’t been on stage for over 10 years and wasn’t used to the physical demands of long days. Some days he didn’t even turn up to rehearsals,” Harvey added.
A source close to the production said: “Michael was exhausted. Some days he barely said a word. He slumped down in a chair and would just get talked at. During one rehearsal he nodded off.”
Choreographer Travis Payne admitted Jackson, who died in June, used the golf cart to whisk him to and from his car, parked a few yards from the stage.
Both Payne and promoter Randy Phillips were worried about the star’s weight and mental welfare.
“He used to forget to eat because he was so focused and Kenny Ortega and I used to cut up his food and physically feed him,” Phillips said.
One friend said: “The hard work needed was just too much for him, and his mood became very dark by the end. He was a gibbering wreck.
“He shouted out, ‘They are pushing me and I can’t take it anymore. They are gonna kill me’.” (ANI)
Hang on... so Michael was an insomniac who couldnt sleep and had to use Propofol at night... yet he was nodding off" at rehearsals. So could he sleep... or not???
Also.. Michael was drugged up and confused and walked around in a daze like a zombie... yet Michael was so focused that he forgot to eat and Kenny had to feed him chicken. :roll:
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Must have been an imposter acting like that and feeding such stories. No really, that was a joke, but I don`t take that story at all. :evil:
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Hang on... so Michael was an insomniac who couldnt sleep and had to use Propofol at night... yet he was nodding off" at rehearsals. So could he sleep... or not???
Also.. Michael was drugged up and confused and walked around in a daze like a zombie... yet Michael was so focused that he forgot to eat and Kenny had to feed him chicken. :roll:
Well, to be fair, insomniacs frequently nod off during the day when they can't sleep at night. In fact that is one of the symptoms of being a true insomniac.
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so which venue was it before it was staples i think it was a regular dance studio?
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it was the forum before that and the smaller location before that. "they" really tried to make us believe that he had been rehearsing with the dancers and singers for much longer than he did because they knew we would question it if we knew there were only 2/3 full rehearsals. Sure mj was talented enough to be able to jump right in and perform well but as we've heard from earlier posts that isn't mj's normal approach and even though he was rehearsing alone with Travis, he would have wanted to spend much more time working out the wrinkles with the full group. I am still confused about where this leads....could be that it was only intended to be a movie, could be it started out as 10 concerts and he rebelled at the thought of 50, could be he or they realized it wasn't going to come together in time so they needed a plan b. So in the end was mj feeling threatened and backed out or was he killed becauase "they" didn't think he was going to be able to pull off the shows??? I really feel there is enough evidence to suggest that he was feeling threatened and backed out or got help from the authorities to back out.
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[youtube:j95eik9m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiJQ3xod6HU[/youtube:j95eik9m]
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was it the nokia centre for the dance rehearsal or was this just the auditions
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=ztxOBIv8S-g&feature=related[/YouTube]
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I thought it was just the first small place, then the forum and then staples. I could be wrong but I thought that was the case. The video you posted is interesting because it has been used in videos in many different ways to it gets confusing. At one point someone said this was from June 24th. It makes more sense that it was the auditions ie) hair is straight and he looks healthier. He really did get a lot thinner in a short period didn't he?
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I thought it was just the first small place, then the forum and then staples. I could be wrong but I thought that was the case. The video you posted is interesting because it has been used in videos in many different ways to it gets confusing. At one point someone said this was from June 24th. It makes more sense that it was the auditions ie) hair is straight and he looks healthier. He really did get a lot thinner in a short period didn't he?
You know.. im beginning to wonder if that was diliberate.
If he intentionally lost weight to make the hoax seem more believeable??
:?
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the nokia centre - was the scene of the memorial - this is not the same place as the staples centre - confused?
[youtube:wggos49b]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UP3irTYlC4[/youtube:wggos49b]
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i think they are next door to each other
but this is not the place where the dancers rehearsed before they went to the staples
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16/06/09
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=52-REfZw8S4&feature=related[/YouTube]
sorry not having much luck with my YT cut and pasting
the following is the link from the jouralist
Michael Jackson's Last Days - What really happened
Part 1
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=M-BuDLw5I1w&feature=related[/YouTube]
Part 2
[youtube:1nnc1adb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiW37ZxvxEY&NR=1[/youtube:1nnc1adb]
in one city booked to do a minimum of 50 - phillips
ah the centre staging - he was to start 09/03/09
he showed up at the end of march
part 3
[youtube:1nnc1adb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-t1bNFWrP4&NR=1[/youtube:1nnc1adb]
part 4
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=-Q7_fz-W0As&feature=related[/YouTube]
part 5
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=KdUCbOK_BNc&feature=related[/YouTube]
beatles cat coming up for renewal in sept 2010 - what does this mean -as mike did not have any cash - could he have renewed the cat or would he have lost it? so this could not be the reason for the murder conspiracy?
if he lost it for the want of cash, what would have this meant for his financial position as this had provided him with revenue when his record sales had fallen?
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....could be that it was only intended to be a movie, could be it started out as 10 concerts and he rebelled at the thought of 50, could be he or they realized it wasn't going to come together in time so they needed a plan b. So in the end was mj feeling threatened and backed out or was he killed becauase "they" didn't think he was going to be able to pull off the shows??? I really feel there is enough evidence to suggest that he was feeling threatened and backed out or got help from the authorities to back out.
It has every appearance that something like that has indeed been going on
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I watched the vids
:| :cry: :| :) :| 8-)
touching
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what i found startling was that randy phillips said that mike was to do a minimum of 50 shows a city, how could mike or anyone do that - so ridiculous
if you were booked to do that would you not escape
the minimum 50 shows a city came out of the horses mouth
but still not certain about the time line for the production and rehearsals
the rehearsals seemed to start in March 09 at this small dance studio and then moved to staples in june 09 and by the end of june with the shows about to start in the early part of july the set had not been properly built - the props were not in place the lightman was not finished - so were they going to postpone again?
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@arabian nights; first of all thanks for the videos!
About the option of another postponing...... :idea: that got me thinking in an entire other direction that I hardly dare to speak out, allthough it might have been discussed here allready and I simply missed it. It indeed would mean pulling off a deathhoax out of need for several reasons.
Look at this, scroll down..was there really only one show going to be in th summer 2009?! July 13? And the rest to be set much later?
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/i ... -concerts/ (http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/05/20/michael-jackson-postpones-first-o2-arena-this-is-it-concerts/)
So why not "postpone" it all for finally very complex reasons, earn money anyway and open up a big comeback in 2010,greatest show on earth. And this being for an overall purpose; politically, humanitary,imagerecovery,truthseeking and so on. Oh my, am I bad thinking, fantasy is just taking over.
Well now, back to basics. Is this nonsense or what do you think?
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The big question on everyones lips is why in London why in the UK???
i live in the UK so i am glad Michael wanted to do a concert here...
what the hell are we missing here? apart from the obvious, :?
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@arabian nights; first of all thanks for the videos!
About the option of another postponing...... :idea: that got me thinking in an entire other direction that I hardly dare to speak out, allthough it might have been discussed here allready and I simply missed it. It indeed would mean pulling off a deathhoax out of need for several reasons.
Look at this, scroll down..was there really only one show going to be in th summer 2009?! July 13? And the rest to be set much later?
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/i ... -concerts/ (http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/05/20/michael-jackson-postpones-first-o2-arena-this-is-it-concerts/)
So why not "postpone" it all for finally very complex reasons, earn money anyway and open up a big comeback in 2010,greatest show on earth. And this being for an overall purpose; politically, humanitary,imagerecovery,truthseeking and so on. Oh my, am I bad thinking, fantasy is just taking over.
Well now, back to basics. Is this nonsense or what do you think?
do we dare think this - a mass hoax for commercial reasons - sounds possible in this mixed up world?
your rollingsons link was interesting the posts after the article one said as follows:
Disappointed | 5/21/2009, 6:58 pm EST
So the production co. says they can’t get the stage show ready in the short space of time between Madonna’s concert and the start of MJ’s concerts. Surely they should have considered this before they scheduled the dates? What a fiasco!
but the show did not look ready, it was still in progress
MJ fan | 5/22/2009, 7:01 am EST
This just in OMG!!! ALL MJ CONSERTS CANCELLED NO REFUNDS!!! I just read it on Ticketmaster uk. This suxs so much..
GSR | 5/22/2009, 8:41 am EST
Three quarters of a million tickests sold, I would be quite happy to sit on all that money for months on end and then refund it back to those that can claim it back, keeping the intrest.
It looks like one big fraud.
R-UNutS | 6/10/2009, 12:08 am EST
MJ…Has never Done a 50 concert tour in the time alloted for this tour. He didn’t do IT when he was twenty yrs old, what cloud are you sniffing to think he can do it NOW! This is almost as good as the Madoof Fraud.
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wow i hadn't looked at it that way. Add that to the fact that Michael didn't really like touring because he lost weight and got dehydrated and he even said " if I tour again it will kill me" and we've got some pretty compelling reasons to believe that he wouldn't want to tour. The residency wouldn't have the travelling component but it was a gruelling schedule and he would still start to lose weight and get dehydrated. His starting weight wasn't great either...he would have known that things wouldn't go well. I do not blame him one little bit if he backed out....how could Kenny Ortega and the others stand by and let him get backed into corner if that is what happened.
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wow i hadn't looked at it that way. Add that to the fact that Michael didn't really like touring because he lost weight and got dehydrated and he even said " if I tour again it will kill me" and we've got some pretty compelling reasons to believe that he wouldn't want to tour. The residency wouldn't have the travelling component but it was a gruelling schedule and he would still start to lose weight and get dehydrated. His starting weight wasn't great either...he would have known that things wouldn't go well. I do not blame him one little bit if he backed out....how could Kenny Ortega and the others stand by and let him get backed into corner if that is what happened.
i agree, but it wasnt just the 50 shows, i read and heard on vids that Phillips said that it was a minimum of 50 shows a city and frank said that mike knew he had to do 50 shows plus 20 other venues across the globe, so thats why the dancers were booked for 2 years - lets be very clear this was going to be a world tour if all went well in the 02
totally unconceivable isnt it that they were all thinking that this 9 stone man could or would do this?
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In TII doubles were not used, with the exception of " Smoot Criminal". He is Michael with glasses and without glasses. There is a scene in the film where Michael when finishing dancing puts the glasses. They do not underestimate to Michael when saying that they used doubles because " THERE IS no DOBLES". I hope that they understand my English. :mrgreen:
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wow i hadn't looked at it that way. Add that to the fact that Michael didn't really like touring because he lost weight and got dehydrated and he even said " if I tour again it will kill me" and we've got some pretty compelling reasons to believe that he wouldn't want to tour. The residency wouldn't have the travelling component but it was a gruelling schedule and he would still start to lose weight and get dehydrated. His starting weight wasn't great either...he would have known that things wouldn't go well. I do not blame him one little bit if he backed out....how could Kenny Ortega and the others stand by and let him get backed into corner if that is what happened.
i agree, but it wasnt just the 50 shows, i read and heard on vids that Phillips said that it was a minimum of 50 shows a city and frank said that mike knew he had to do 50 shows plus 20 other venues across the globe, so thats why the dancers were booked for 2 years - lets be very clear this was going to be a world tour if all went well in the 02
totally unconceivable isnt it that they were all thinking that this 9 stone man could or would do this?
WOW! :shock:
AT LEAST 50 MILLION EUROS!!!
FRAUD???
EVEN IF THEY REFOUND THE MONEY, THEY HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST!
MAYBE THIS IS IT! :roll: FOR AEG, THIS COULD BE, BUT I DON´T THINK MJ WOULD DO THIS TO HIS FANS... :roll:
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First time I heard about MJ being back on stage I just couldn't believe it. He hated tour and concerts so WHY would he do this again.
I never thought it could be for money, from MJ , because I'm sure Mj knew he couldn't perform 50 shows, so he knew he wouldn't make a lot of money from all that. I mean, if he accepted only 10 show it's not a very big deal to be financially wealthy again. So knowing that 10 show is not very big for money, and that he would never be able to perform 50 times...When I heard about is death, I just told myself for once : OK that's what he sold ! His death. He knew they wanted him to make money, he knew he had nothing about performing to sell, so he had this deal to sell his own death, the final show of his life. Generating millions of dollars, leaving his fans with the image of a man WILLING to be back, preparing big stuff, a real Idol, killed during its flight. The best image he could give to end the life of MJ "the show man" instead of a man that disappeared after molestation trial, or a singer that did 10 shows and is gone to wait for his death in his big house of california...
It's cruel, but that what I thought :oops: Now I really wonder about all this, but I just keep it in mind, and if he really did, I would just say that it's the best thing he could have done to put an end to "Michael Jackson".
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no - not to put an end to the man, the name the persona
no - too hard
i think they all rail roaded him and it was back against the wall time and they added more dates, and he may have thought yes, but a minimum of 50 shows a city on a 2/4 year world tour - you got to be nuts to think that would happen.
but michael jackson i very much doubt would want to get rid of who he is - my god no - he just needed to dump the jerks
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no - not to put an end to the man, the name the persona
no - too hard
i think they all rail roaded him and it was back against the wall time and they added more dates, and he may have thought yes, but a minimum of 50 shows a city on a 2/4 year world tour - you got to be nuts to think that would happen.
but michael jackson i very much doubt would want to get rid of who he is - my god no - he just needed to dump the jerks
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@ the_gloved_one
It seems to me, MJ rehearsed on stage only on the 23. and 24.06.!!!
So not enough time to get the show ready. Its difficult for me to explain what I really want to say, because my english is soooooo bad. All I want to say is: A Multi-Million-Dollar-Show on one side and a very bad time-organisation on the other side. Thats all so stupid!!!
If Mike was only on stage for 2 days then stories of him being over stressed and over worked from rehearsals are truly fabricated. So he wouldn't need such drastic measures to get to sleep every night... :lol: I wonder where he would go when people thought he was going to rehearse.
Right behind them:(http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/mjdeathhoax/This-Is-It-rtv.jpg) ;)
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Its a proven fact now that TII film was made up of footage from only 2 days... MJ only rehearsed on the stage for two days....
so.... that does bring up the big point.. how can they say MJ was overworked if he only was there for two days?? God... my head hurts. So much bullcrap flying around.
But i am now satisifed with all the evidence that he did only rehearse for two days... he may have been there before watching the dancers, choosing the sets, doing the filmed pieces (such as smooth criminal and the dome project)... but all the singing and dancing that was filmed for TII was done only over two days.
On the second day Michael started to speak up and be the boss... the dancers have confirmed this. He said "this is my show and we will do it my way".. At the end he said to someone (forget who) "Thankyou for getting me this far, i can take it from here". In less than 12 hours he was dead.
Suspicious? yes, very...
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Its a proven fact now that TII film was made up of footage from only 2 days... MJ only rehearsed on the stage for two days....
so.... that does bring up the big point.. how can they say MJ was overworked if he only was there for two days?? God... my head hurts. So much bullcrap flying around.
But i am now satisifed with all the evidence that he did only rehearse for two days... he may have been there before watching the dancers, choosing the sets, doing the filmed pieces (such as smooth criminal and the dome project)... but all the singing and dancing that was filmed for TII was done only over two days.
On the second day Michael started to speak up and be the boss... the dancers have confirmed this. He said "this is my show and we will do it my way".. At the end he said to someone (forget who) "Thankyou for getting me this far, i can take it from here". In less than 12 hours he was dead.
Suspicious? yes, very...
This information should confirm the double theory! if michael only rehearsed for 2 days! :D
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@Jacksonology... i dont think it proves the doubles theory as if you watch TII.. all the scenes you can piece together and figure out that they are only from 2 different days.
the trousers for instance... he wears black trousers for the most part and they have a make up stain on them. You can track these trousers throughout the film. lol
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Going on the rehearsals theme i found this article about the Bad tour rehearsal. Its from an interview with Jennifer Batten MJ guitarist during this tour.
Bad Tour Rehearsal
Rehearsals began almost immediately and they were punishing; seven days a week for two solid months. For the first month the band, singers and dancers rehearsed separately. For the second they converged in a production studio, where every element of the show came together. It was here that Batten first met Michael Jackson.
"He was very much hands on and he was an extremely hard worker. By the end of rehearsals we were running the show a minimum of once a day, sometimes twice. I would say that's the number one thing I learned from him: the value of rehearsing that much and that intensely, because by the time we hit the stage everybody was relaxed."
For something so important as TII one would think that MJ would be rehearsing day and night not just for 3 days or whatever as we are being lead to believe. What the hell is going on! Remember the concerts were pushed back - did MJ only start rehearsing during this time? We all know how important rehearsing is to a perfectionist such as Michael so a 3 days of rehearsal is no where near enough!
Remember Michael hated touring and rehearsing. He didn't want to do the concerts in the first place so I am not surprised he didn't show up for rehearsal. Michael had no intentions of going to the UK. Everything that the public saw on TII was all illusions of MJ. I am sure he performed a little but not much. He didn't even have to do that much, afterall the general masses believe anything they see. Few ppl ever look beyond the scope of what's being presented. Nothing surprises me where MJ is concerned. Keep the Faith!
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I love the thought that he was the one that chose when he would "lay the performer mj to rest" Remember Randy Phillips said he had declined to perform at 02 at one point and then Randy got a call and it said "he's ready!" So he planned and he got ready (he had a year and likely way more to cross all the t's) And so it wouldn't matter if he said yes to 10 or 50 if we're right about this. Then he performed for his fans one more time and escaped. I know some people say he would have to have a more serious reason but we know how much he loved his fans and so rather than just hoax his death one day in Bahrain he came back for us and to say goodbye. It would have been hard on him even if it was what he wanted. He was saying goodbye to the fans closing a chapter that words cannot describe.
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I love the thought that he was the one that chose when he would "lay the performer mj to rest" Remember Randy Phillips said he had declined to perform at 02 at one point and then Randy got a call and it said "he's ready!" So he planned and he got ready (he had a year and likely way more to cross all the t's) And so it wouldn't matter if he said yes to 10 or 50 if we're right about this. Then he performed for his fans one more time and escaped. I know some people say he would have to have a more serious reason but we know how much he loved his fans and so rather than just hoax his death one day in Bahrain he came back for us and to say goodbye. It would have been hard on him even if it was what he wanted. He was saying goodbye to the fans closing a chapter that words cannot describe.
Thanks for sharing my opinion. MJ didn't want to die...He was against "getting old" that means, not being able to shine as much as he used to, no more singing, no more dancing. When I heard of his death, I directly remembered of something that came to my ears when I was 12 (so in 1992) I don't remember if it's tabloid or not, but I remembered he was asked about what age he would like to die. And he answered "50" I remember wondering myself if 50 was old or not...and I was aksing myself "if I wait until 18 to marry him, and he dies at 50, how many years will I be able to spend with him ? :D (be nice, I was 12, but really motivated :oops: )
And he died before turning 51...
Michael LOVED his fans, so don't you think he already thought about his death ? How fans would react, how would world would react. How could he control this, and give the best to his fans. If fans lived his real death it could have been harder : having the image of a man not performing anymore, getting old, dying of cancer or something else...Who would still care among not-fan people ? It's better to have it burn in one single big fire, than watch the light slowly coming down... I'm sure Michael really thought about how he could end this the better way for his image, and for his fans. This way he will really be an idol. Still good health, ready for the show, and disapearing in terrible drama. Best he could give for his fans to love him always, as he always was ; young, strong, back on stage, the King of Pop...
I mean if he chooses to disappear for never come back, it's the best LOVE stuff he could do to his fans...Even better than coming back for 10 shows that only few fans could be able to see. What he did became a world event.
If he comes back, I don't know what he has planned to do : performing the show he hasn't done ? It would be really "no surprise"...If there IS a come back, I really wonder what for ? personnal, artistical, business...I dont find any reason.
I already talked about what would most people think about MJ coming back, I asked all my family, and they ALL answered (they're not fans) that they would feel "abused" and think he did it for money, to sell more records. They would think he's a freaky monster manipulating people's feeling for business issues. They wouldn't understand.
I think clues are here so that fans are aware, and understand his decision, but I'm really not sure it about preparing something for coming back.
Sorry not to think the same way as many people here. I don't wanna be hurting anyone's feeling, but I know Michael always kept his business high, making tough decisions, sometime forgetting about "friendship or business relations" he just did what he thought to be the best for his career, and the best to keep the love of his fans alive.
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First time I heard about MJ being back on stage I just couldn't believe it. He hated tour and concerts so WHY would he do this again.
I never thought it could be for money, from MJ , because I'm sure Mj knew he couldn't perform 50 shows, so he knew he wouldn't make a lot of money from all that. I mean, if he accepted only 10 show it's not a very big deal to be financially wealthy again. So knowing that 10 show is not very big for money, and that he would never be able to perform 50 times...When I heard about is death, I just told myself for once : OK that's what he sold ! His death. He knew they wanted him to make money, he knew he had nothing about performing to sell, so he had this deal to sell his own death, the final show of his life. Generating millions of dollars, leaving his fans with the image of a man WILLING to be back, preparing big stuff, a real Idol, killed during its flight. The best image he could give to end the life of MJ "the show man" instead of a man that disappeared after molestation trial, or a singer that did 10 shows and is gone to wait for his death in his big house of california...
It's cruel, but that what I thought :oops: Now I really wonder about all this, but I just keep it in mind, and if he really did, I would just say that it's the best thing he could have done to put an end to "Michael Jackson".
This rings true to me. He sold his "death"... WoW... what a concept
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Whatyourheartsays i absolutely agree with you, in my humble opinion 02 conference and the "rehearsels" were his final appearences as the Michael Jackson that the whole world knows,i'm 100%sure that he is alive but unfortunately doubt that he will come back as the MJ we all know,however he has made some comebacks already-Dave Dave on lKL, the Saw man,the green man
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Whatyourheartsays i absolutely agree with you, in my humble opinion 02 conference and the "rehearsels" were his final appearences as the Michael Jackson that the whole world knows,i'm 100%sure that he is alive but unfortunately doubt that he will come back as the MJ we all know,however he has made some comebacks already-Dave Dave on lKL, the Saw man,the green man
HE DID THAT APPEARENCES FOR US ;) I´M 100% SURE THAT HE IS ALIVE TOO :D
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Wow , now this topic makes me feel verrrry sad indeed. I know MJ luvs his fans but do you all really feel like he could stay away for the remainder part of his life? I suppose so.........I am trying to put myself in his shoes. ....he has been through enough in his life, he should be able to relax and enjoy watching his children grow up and enjoying life. But it truly is hard to accept. Soooo many people felt that MJ was a HUMAN BANK. :( :( hard to let go miss him soooo much.