Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Theories => The Double Theory => Topic started by: QuirkyDiana on March 05, 2010, 11:46:02 AM

Title: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 05, 2010, 11:46:02 AM
What are the marks on MJ's hands. They were very noticeable on tv.

http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/ ... 60x375.jpg (http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2009/03/20090305_jackson_560x375.jpg)
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: michaelsupporter on March 05, 2010, 11:48:14 AM
I had heard a report that Michael fell in the parking lot (or when getting off the bus).....perhaps this is what resulted from that tumble?!?!?!??!
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: lotus_sutra on March 05, 2010, 11:50:33 AM
LOL, I think he was showing the world that he is going to wash his hands from this entire mess!!!  (meaning corporate BS, media, even fans that love to criticize his every move!)
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: awesome1 on March 05, 2010, 12:32:36 PM
Well he Did fall just after he got off the Golf Cart thingy
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 05, 2010, 12:58:48 PM
Quote from: "awesome1"
Well he Did fall just after he got off the Golf Cart thingy

How do you know that?
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: Grace on March 05, 2010, 01:12:59 PM
There's a video of Michael being driven to the arena backstage entrance and a video of Navi backstage taking the fans.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: Raven on March 05, 2010, 01:14:52 PM
On close up pictures it resembles black ink. Maybe from signing autographs, who knows.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: Army of L-O-V-E on March 20, 2010, 10:38:50 AM
I think that from lupus

(http://www.network.londonbridgehospital.com/sites/kdtest2.co.uk/uploads/images/skin.jpg)

(http://www.jamaa.cc/up/_=21025=_Raynaud.jpg)

that became diffrent from one to another

(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/MJHD/mjhd/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/hand-compare-3.jpg)

they say he have lupus is this right?
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: MJmakesmespeechless on March 20, 2010, 11:41:59 AM
I would say ink or just dirt
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: the arabian nights on March 20, 2010, 12:13:07 PM
poor baby :(
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: this1crazygirl on March 20, 2010, 12:22:16 PM
all these things seem like the effects of long term stress.

restricted blood flow is always stress releated... lack of joy, no ideas circulating, holding the natural flow of feelings/ideas in
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: voiceforthesilent on March 20, 2010, 12:33:56 PM
Quote from: "this1crazygirl"
all these things seem like the effects of long term stress.

restricted blood flow is always stress releated... lack of joy, no ideas circulating, holding the natural flow of feelings/ideas in


 :?:  Michael was still creating music, formulating ideas, etc. I'm not sure I follow you're meaning. I think sometimes we add more into something than is really there. Kind of like the media when they take a story...say, one of the kids with a lazer gun, and the next thing you know they say it's a plot to use it on one of Michael's children. It just looks like ink or dirt to me. Haven't we all fallen down at some point in our lives? Before long we'll have Michael's fall as proof of his failing health. LOL.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 20, 2010, 12:34:40 PM
Seriously, I think MY hand looks more like MJ's than O2 dude's hand. Don't you see the hands are totally different?
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: somekindofsign on March 20, 2010, 01:30:43 PM
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
I had heard a report that Michael fell in the parking lot (or when getting off the bus).....perhaps this is what resulted from that tumble?!?!?!??!

No it wasn´t then, we have that footage in TII...
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: somekindofsign on March 20, 2010, 01:43:24 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Seriously, I think MY hand looks more like MJ's than O2 dude's hand. Don't you see the hands are totally different?

Sorry Souza, I´m fond in palmistry and I´m accostumed to compare hands.
I´ve have seldom found a such a complicated and messy hand like his.
I dind´t expect to be different...

Look at all these vertical lines on the fingers (propitious, like antennas).
He also have lots of horizontals (obstacles).
Categorical double/triple lines on all the articulations (rare to find)
There are many many other aspects I see.

A double could fake many things, but not the hands.
They are the same 100% to me.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: this1crazygirl on March 20, 2010, 02:02:59 PM
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
Quote from: "this1crazygirl"
all these things seem like the effects of long term stress.

restricted blood flow is always stress releated... lack of joy, no ideas circulating, holding the natural flow of feelings/ideas in


 :?:  Michael was still creating music, formulating ideas, etc. I'm not sure I follow you're meaning. I think sometimes we add more into something than is really there. Kind of like the media when they take a story...say, one of the kids with a lazer gun, and the next thing you know they say it's a plot to use it on one of Michael's children. It just looks like ink or dirt to me. Haven't we all fallen down at some point in our lives? Before long we'll have Michael's fall as proof of his failing health. LOL.

I wasn't actually saying those problems where MJ's problems, I was explaining what circulatory problems come from. The hands I was focusing on were probably  not MJ's hands anyway cause I never saw him with long nails...
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 20, 2010, 02:34:04 PM
Quote from: "somekindofsign"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Seriously, I think MY hand looks more like MJ's than O2 dude's hand. Don't you see the hands are totally different?

Sorry Souza, I´m fond in palmistry and I´m accostumed to compare hands.
I´ve have seldom found a such a complicated and messy hand like his.
I dind´t expect to be different...

Look at all these vertical lines on the fingers (propitious, like antennas).
He also have lots of horizontals (obstacles).
Categorical double/triple lines on all the articulations (rare to find)
There are many many other aspects I see.

A double could fake many things, but not the hands.
They are the same 100% to me.




I was talking about these 2:
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/MJHD/mjhd/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/hand-compare-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: somekindofsign on March 20, 2010, 03:10:25 PM
I think the same about those...
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 20, 2010, 04:45:25 PM
Quote from: "somekindofsign"
I think the same about those...

Then we disagree. Those hands don't look the same at all.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: Raven on March 20, 2010, 04:49:26 PM
They are totally the same Souza. As an extra, they both have 2 oval scars halfway on the middlefinger. Hard not to miss.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 20, 2010, 05:17:14 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
They are totally the same Souza. As an extra, they both have 2 oval scars halfway on the middlefinger. Hard not to miss.

Those are easily created. O2 dude's hand is wider and the tips of the fingers are different. The lines also don't match so to me: definitely not the same hands. With other words: O2 dude was not MJ...
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: voiceforthesilent on March 20, 2010, 05:19:57 PM
Quote from: "this1crazygirl"
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
Quote from: "this1crazygirl"
all these things seem like the effects of long term stress.

restricted blood flow is always stress releated... lack of joy, no ideas circulating, holding the natural flow of feelings/ideas in


 :?:  Michael was still creating music, formulating ideas, etc. I'm not sure I follow you're meaning. I think sometimes we add more into something than is really there. Kind of like the media when they take a story...say, one of the kids with a lazer gun, and the next thing you know they say it's a plot to use it on one of Michael's children. It just looks like ink or dirt to me. Haven't we all fallen down at some point in our lives? Before long we'll have Michael's fall as proof of his failing health. LOL.

I wasn't actually saying those problems where MJ's problems, I was explaining what circulatory problems come from. The hands I was focusing on were probably  not MJ's hands anyway cause I never saw him with long nails...

Thank you - I misunderstood what you had said. Blessings.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: Raven on March 20, 2010, 05:26:22 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Raven"
They are totally the same Souza. As an extra, they both have 2 oval scars halfway on the middlefinger. Hard not to miss.

Those are easily created. O2 dude's hand is wider and the tips of the fingers are different. The lines also don't match so to me: definitely not the same hands. With other words: O2 dude was not MJ...
They are the same and so are the scars. Anything that is identical to Michael you will label as "can be faked". In other words, it NEVER can be Michael according to you. That is not an arguement. You are bending the facts like you want it to be.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mumof3 on March 20, 2010, 06:25:51 PM
I also read that michael fell over at the 02 but i cant remember where i read it.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 20, 2010, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Raven"
They are totally the same Souza. As an extra, they both have 2 oval scars halfway on the middlefinger. Hard not to miss.

Those are easily created. O2 dude's hand is wider and the tips of the fingers are different. The lines also don't match so to me: definitely not the same hands. With other words: O2 dude was not MJ...
They are the same and so are the scars. Anything that is identical to Michael you will label as "can be faked". In other words, it NEVER can be Michael according to you. That is not an arguement. You are bending the facts like you want it to be.

No Raven, I am not. In MY opinion they are totally different. The fact that you disagree, doesn't mean YOU are right as well.

My argument is stated above, the hands are different because what I mentioned there. So that IS an argument.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 20, 2010, 06:39:38 PM
I brought this issue with the hands up because the marks were really, really noticeable on tv. I still have it all taped in fact. Having read other people's comments, if MJ did take a fall or used a cart then that on his hands is most likely to be dirt or grease.

I agree with the notion that MJ's hands are the same in both pics. I think the circular scar in particular is good proof.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 20, 2010, 08:19:05 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Raven"
They are totally the same Souza. As an extra, they both have 2 oval scars halfway on the middlefinger. Hard not to miss.

Those are easily created. O2 dude's hand is wider and the tips of the fingers are different. The lines also don't match so to me: definitely not the same hands. With other words: O2 dude was not MJ...
They are the same and so are the scars. Anything that is identical to Michael you will label as "can be faked". In other words, it NEVER can be Michael according to you. That is not an arguement. You are bending the facts like you want it to be.

No Raven, I am not. In MY opinion they are totally different. The fact that you disagree, doesn't mean YOU are right as well.

My argument is stated above, the hands are different because what I mentioned there. So that IS an argument.
souza, MJ's hands don't look right to you because in the one from the 02 the angle is different,  his hand is tipped back more making the palm look shorter.  It is the same hand...
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 20, 2010, 08:24:12 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Raven"
They are totally the same Souza. As an extra, they both have 2 oval scars halfway on the middlefinger. Hard not to miss.

Those are easily created. O2 dude's hand is wider and the tips of the fingers are different. The lines also don't match so to me: definitely not the same hands. With other words: O2 dude was not MJ...
They are the same and so are the scars. Anything that is identical to Michael you will label as "can be faked". In other words, it NEVER can be Michael according to you. That is not an arguement. You are bending the facts like you want it to be.

No Raven, I am not. In MY opinion they are totally different. The fact that you disagree, doesn't mean YOU are right as well.

My argument is stated above, the hands are different because what I mentioned there. So that IS an argument.
souza, MJ's hands don't look right to you because in the one from the 02 the angle is different,  his hand is tipped back more making the palm look shorter.  It is the same hand...

Oh, when will people realize that I'm not a moron...?

I KNOW the angle is different, but STILL I see the hands are different. The fingers, the lines, the wrist. Under the pink it's round at O2 dude's hand and straight down on MJ's hand.

O2 dude is not Mike, I keep saying that. If you don't agree that's fine by me, but I stick to it because O2 dude doesn't even look like him.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 20, 2010, 09:19:00 PM
souza, here are 4 different hands of MJ.  the top left is from O2.  I circled all the corresponding marks that are the same.  It is MJ's hand.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: TracyK on March 20, 2010, 10:28:41 PM
somekindofsign I COMPLETELY agree with you! I did a video about this very thing. It's ABSOLUTELY 100% Michael Jackson!
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: TracyK on March 20, 2010, 10:33:06 PM
He had ink on him because he signed autographs.

(http://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/14/42/98/95/01210.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=355&u=14429895)
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 20, 2010, 10:39:37 PM
here are some more comparasons I did...
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: TracyK on March 20, 2010, 10:52:24 PM
OOOOH I may use these for a future video SAVE!! LOL
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: TracyK on March 20, 2010, 10:57:03 PM
Mykidsmum I took your pics and circled a few more things that stand out for me. Look at his middle finger and pointer finger they have the same bone structure!!

Where his hands are together look at the length of his first finger and the thumb are i have circled both same shape all the way down.Those are things you cannot fake!

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n174/lilly2874/untitled-7-1.jpg)

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n174/lilly2874/aergy-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 20, 2010, 11:52:18 PM
TracyK...I see what you are showing!  Yes, use my pics...anything for the truth.  Here are some face pics.  The only difference I see is his lips, more makeup in some pics, also maybe some plumping injections....LOL  any way, they look great to me...all of them.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: Puff on March 21, 2010, 03:32:16 AM
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/MJHD/mjhd/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/hand-compare-3.jpg)

There are many differences between these two hands.
The fingers are different, the palm is different and also the lines of the hands are different!
Look at the first hand (on the left) the fingers are long and thin, otherwise in the other hand the fingers are short and tubby.
The first palm is not as rounded circular as the second one.

Look at this pic..
(http://i42.tinypic.com/hvvwc3.jpg)

The hands are totally different.
And the o2 guy is NOT Mike...
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: *Mo* on March 21, 2010, 03:41:11 AM
Quote from: "Puff"
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/MJHD/mjhd/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/hand-compare-3.jpg)

There are many differences between these two hands.
The fingers are different, the palm is different and also the lines of the hands are different!
Look at the first hand (on the left) the fingers are long and thin, otherwise in the other hand the fingers are short and tubby.
The first palm is not as rounded circular as the second one.

Look at this pic..
(http://i42.tinypic.com/hvvwc3.jpg)

The hands are totally different.
And the o2 guy is NOT Mike...

Indeed, you can clearly see these hands are totally different.  We can go on and on about this but nothing is going to change my mind - O2 dude is NOT Mike.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: 1VLOVE on March 21, 2010, 03:57:28 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Raven"
They are totally the same Souza. As an extra, they both have 2 oval scars halfway on the middlefinger. Hard not to miss.

Those are easily created. O2 dude's hand is wider and the tips of the fingers are different. The lines also don't match so to me: definitely not the same hands. With other words: O2 dude was not MJ...

I have to agree. From the git-go I have felt this O2 guy wasnt MJ and still agree with my first thought. However, I did have to study these hands for differences, there are many I see. He knew he'd be waving and showing his hands, they were made to look like Mikes with dirt and more than likley makeup. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 21, 2010, 04:08:13 AM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
TracyK...I see what you are showing!  Yes, use my pics...anything for the truth.  Here are some face pics.  The only difference I see is his lips, more makeup in some pics, also maybe some plumping injections....LOL  any way, they look great to me...all of them.

Sorry, but you are comparing O2 dude with other doubles....
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: MJmakesmespeechless on March 21, 2010, 09:29:01 AM
Oh come on people are you blind or what??? Michael was at 02. There is NO other 02 "due"
It's totally authentic Michael Jackson

Everything matches up - teeth, mouth, hands etc. Look at the PALM lines on his hands. That is a dead give away
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: *Mo* on March 21, 2010, 09:32:12 AM
Keep on dreaming... I only wish I could see your faces when this is all over...  :lol:
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mjj29081958 on March 21, 2010, 10:18:18 AM
Quote from: "MJmakesmespeechless"
Oh come on people are you blind or what??? Michael was at 02. There is NO other 02 "due"
It's totally authentic Michael Jackson

Everything matches up - teeth, mouth, hands etc. Look at the PALM lines on his hands. That is a dead give away

I know! :D

I am and always have been sure about it. But it's enough to me. I give up with this. I wont even bother in post more pics or wathever. But I do appreciate your efforts! :D
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: somekindofsign on March 21, 2010, 11:02:58 AM
Yes, this is nice sharing our thoughts here about this, everyone has his opinion on it, this is completelly healthy.  ;)
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: the arabian nights on March 21, 2010, 11:08:38 AM
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Quote from: "MJmakesmespeechless"
Oh come on people are you blind or what??? Michael was at 02. There is NO other 02 "due"
It's totally authentic Michael Jackson

Everything matches up - teeth, mouth, hands etc. Look at the PALM lines on his hands. That is a dead give away

I know! :D

I am and always have been sure about it. But it's enough to me. I give up with this. I wont even bother in post more pics or wathever. But I do appreciate your efforts! :D
i agree
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: the arabian nights on March 21, 2010, 11:11:00 AM
but guys dont get disheartened there is a wider audience than just the members of the forum.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: MJmakesmespeechless on March 21, 2010, 12:10:02 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Quote from: "MJmakesmespeechless"
Oh come on people are you blind or what??? Michael was at 02. There is NO other 02 "due"
It's totally authentic Michael Jackson

Everything matches up - teeth, mouth, hands etc. Look at the PALM lines on his hands. That is a dead give away

I know! :D

I am and always have been sure about it. But it's enough to me. I give up with this. I wont even bother in post more pics or wathever. But I do appreciate your efforts! :D
i agree

Thanks guys. We KNOW in our heart and that is what matters. Others can say what they want
I think i will give up on it as well. You can believe whatever you like but i stand behind my own beliefs.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: the arabian nights on March 21, 2010, 12:16:36 PM
we have to appreciate pps view - and that they have bothered to source and post - so many pp are leaving the site
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 21, 2010, 04:07:18 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
we have to appreciate pps view - and that they have bothered to source and post - so many pp are leaving the site

If people are leaving just because others don't disagree, than fine. We don't fight, we argue. That's healthy and I even think it's quite amusing. One of us is right, either we or you who think it is Mike, I just think we are right and there is nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: techdiva on March 21, 2010, 05:46:20 PM
Quote from: "TracyK"
He had ink on him because he signed autographs.

(http://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/14/42/98/95/01210.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=355&u=14429895)
I found out that this picture was taken after the O2 press conference. MJ was going back to the hotel.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 21, 2010, 05:48:08 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Seriously, I think MY hand looks more like MJ's than O2 dude's hand. Don't you see the hands are totally different?

They are the same.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 21, 2010, 05:49:59 PM
Quote from: "techdiva"
Quote from: "TracyK"
He had ink on him because he signed autographs.

(http://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/14/42/98/95/01210.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=355&u=14429895)
I found out that this picture was taken after the O2 press conference. MJ was going back to the hotel.

You can see the arthitis in his fingers in this photo!   :cry:
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: techdiva on March 21, 2010, 05:58:35 PM
I found a photo of MJ attending the Oliver Twist play. He doesn't have the marks on his left hand. This is after the press conference. Also, notice how dark his nails are. I didn't see this with the O2 guy.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 21, 2010, 06:22:21 PM
Quote from: "techdiva"
I found a photo of MJ attending the Oliver Twist play. He doesn't have the marks on his left hand. This is after the press conference. Also, notice how dark his nails are. I didn't see this with the O2 guy.

His nails look the same colour to me..  and maybe he washed his hands
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: *Mo* on March 21, 2010, 06:28:14 PM
I'm really cracking up by reading all the fancies  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 21, 2010, 06:44:03 PM
Mj with arthiritis..   see his fingers....  this is real MJ...  real MJ at O2...  same hands.

Arthitis confirmed in autopsy report...
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mjkate on March 21, 2010, 07:04:00 PM
I am going to be no help here sorry...i am not tech savvy for posting pictures but I have a question. Does anyone have any close up pictures from earlier than the trial that show a close up of his hand? It would be interesting to see if an 80's and 90's picture are comparable at all. I know there wouldn't be arthritis but the line would match up and mj had distinct hands in my opinion so there should be some characteristics that date back and maybe we could solve the issue once and for all. Also for the record I really like that there are differing opinions. It helps us all see things from different angles. The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same way. I think we should celebrate our differing opinions and see what we can learn from them.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 21, 2010, 07:25:03 PM
Quote from: "techdiva"
I found a photo of MJ attending the Oliver Twist play. He doesn't have the marks on his left hand. This is after the press conference. Also, notice how dark his nails are. I didn't see this with the O2 guy.
the O2 guys nails were dark...It was very bright lighting because it was a PRESS conference.  Here is a pic...
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 21, 2010, 07:33:33 PM
@mykidsmum    That pic you have just posted matches up to the hands of the one i posted above,

Look at the arthiritis lump on his little finger on his left hand.  You can see it in the o2 guy..  you can see it in the pic i have posted and you can see it in the pic further up of MJ with Thome Thome.

All the same.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 21, 2010, 07:59:09 PM
Ok MO and SOUZA...here is your hand...the one you said is not MJ...Here I put it with his LEFT hand...I guess the guy doesn't have matching hands!  You can now see it is the angle...I went ahead and did the same thing with my own hand to show you the same thing can be accomplished.  The two pics of my hand don't even look the same...I can assure you they are both from my own hand...wait...am I a double? :o  :shock:  :D
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 21, 2010, 08:01:35 PM
here are the three MJ hands all together.  You can see the outsides match eachother and the middle is the one that is different...but the middle and left one are taken from the same time!
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 21, 2010, 08:05:00 PM
I just wanted to post on my own hand photo...look at the right one...how slender my thumb looks and on the left one how fat and thick.  Likewise my fingers all look slender and my palm longer than in the left, my palm looks short and square and my fingers short and stubby.  The lines where my wrist meet my hand even look different between the two pics, as well as some of the lines on my palm.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 21, 2010, 08:11:26 PM
sorry guys...one more...do we look good together?  Please say yes! :lol:
the one on the right is MY HAND AND NOT MJ"S! :lol:
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 21, 2010, 09:00:39 PM
I agree that O2 is real MJ...  look at the pinky on the left hand.. the arthritis bump.  You can see it in loads of other photos too
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: CC on March 21, 2010, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: "somekindofsign"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Seriously, I think MY hand looks more like MJ's than O2 dude's hand. Don't you see the hands are totally different?

Sorry Souza, I´m fond in palmistry and I´m accostumed to compare hands.
I´ve have seldom found a such a complicated and messy hand like his.
I dind´t expect to be different...

Look at all these vertical lines on the fingers (propitious, like antennas).
He also have lots of horizontals (obstacles).
Categorical double/triple lines on all the articulations (rare to find)
There are many many other aspects I see.

A double could fake many things, but not the hands.
They are the same 100% to me.

this two hands match, but i´m with souza on this... :roll:
this hand is from the guy who went to the clinic several times and looks like him but have the ear damaged like the ambulance picture, and the palm of the hand at the o2 dude looks bigger than mj hand, i really think was mj at o2 speech but when i loook this hands i doubt about it... :roll:
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: onemoretime on March 21, 2010, 09:42:32 PM
It is fun to read, but there is no doubt in my mind, that 02-dude is NOT Michael.

Quote
Souza wrote:
I KNOW the angle is different, but STILL I see the hands are different. The fingers, the lines, the wrist. Under the pink it's round at O2 dude's hand and straight down on MJ's hand.

O2 dude is not Mike, I keep saying that. If you don't agree that's fine by me, but I stick to it because O2 dude doesn't even look like him.

The hands are completely different. Michael has an artist's hand, whereas the double has thicker fingers.
The wrist looks more like a raw chicken thigh to me with veins in it - sorry no insult intended, just a description to make the difference clearer. This person is not as intellectual as Michael, guessing from his fingers. More practical, I suppose. Michael has beautiful slim fingers and thumbs, not as thick as the double's - sorry.
The lines on their palms are totally different. Michael's hands have more distinct lines, they are older hands, as there are more life-lines. 02-dude has younger hands, it even looks as if he is wearing very thin plastic gloves to make them look older. Look at his wrist near the bracelet which shall cover the line where the glove's rim can be seen.
There are two Michaels at the 02 conference, one is the real one.
Michael's face is more elegant and without the slightly aggressive touch, which is shown in the body language, too. Michael would never behave like this dude. Watch him enter the stage - like a monkey.
Compare it with Michael on stage, when he held his Sony-speech in London. He walks like a LORD, that is such a difference. No-one can completely copy Michael, no double can.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: this1crazygirl on March 21, 2010, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: "onemoretime"
It is fun to read, but there is no doubt in my mind, that 02-dude is NOT Michael.

Quote
Souza wrote:
I KNOW the angle is different, but STILL I see the hands are different. The fingers, the lines, the wrist. Under the pink it's round at O2 dude's hand and straight down on MJ's hand.

O2 dude is not Mike, I keep saying that. If you don't agree that's fine by me, but I stick to it because O2 dude doesn't even look like him.

The hands are completely different. Michael has an artist's hand, whereas the double has thicker fingers.
The wrist looks more like a raw chicken thigh to me with veins in it - sorry no insult intended, just a description to make the difference clearer. This person is not as intellectual as Michael, guessing from his fingers. More practical, I suppose. Michael has beautiful slim fingers and thumbs, not as thick as the double's - sorry.
The lines on their palms are totally different. Michael's hands have more distinct lines, they are older hands, as there are more life-lines. 02-dude has younger hands, it even looks as if he is wearing very thin plastic gloves to make them look older. Look at his wrist near the bracelet which shall cover the line where the glove's rim can be seen.
There are two Michaels at the 02 conference, one is the real one.
Michael's face is more elegant and without the slightly aggressive touch, which is shown in the body language, too. Michael would never behave like this dude. Watch him enter the stage - like a monkey.
Compare it with Michael on stage, when he held his Sony-speech in London. He walks like a LORD, that is such a difference. No-one can completely copy Michael, no double can.

don't know whose right, but ya'll are funny  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mjkate on March 21, 2010, 09:47:47 PM
Look at the wrist though right by the bracelet. One is very different from the other there.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 21, 2010, 09:49:40 PM
Quote from: "onemoretime"
It is fun to read, but there is no doubt in my mind, that 02-dude is NOT Michael.

Quote
Souza wrote:
I KNOW the angle is different, but STILL I see the hands are different. The fingers, the lines, the wrist. Under the pink it's round at O2 dude's hand and straight down on MJ's hand.

O2 dude is not Mike, I keep saying that. If you don't agree that's fine by me, but I stick to it because O2 dude doesn't even look like him.

The hands are completely different. Michael has an artist's hand, whereas the double has thicker fingers.
The wrist looks more like a raw chicken thigh to me with veins in it - sorry no insult intended, just a description to make the difference clearer. This person is not as intellectual as Michael, guessing from his fingers. More practical, I suppose. Michael has beautiful slim fingers and thumbs, not as thick as the double's - sorry.
The lines on their palms are totally different. Michael's hands have more distinct lines, they are older hands, as there are more life-lines. 02-dude has younger hands, it even looks as if he is wearing very thin plastic gloves to make them look older. Look at his wrist near the bracelet which shall cover the line where the glove's rim can be seen.
There are two Michaels at the 02 conference, one is the real one.
Michael's face is more elegant and without the slightly aggressive touch, which is shown in the body language, too. Michael would never behave like this dude. Watch him enter the stage - like a monkey.
Compare it with Michael on stage, when he held his Sony-speech in London. He walks like a LORD, that is such a difference. No-one can completely copy Michael, no double can.
a monkey?  are you serious?  are you doing your research?  there are MANY MANY videos on youtube from people who have spent countless hours putting together footage of MJ entering onto stages and doing the same things that he has done at O2!  Did you even look at my photo's I posted?  Did you look at his left hand and his right hand (the one everyone is talking about)  They don't match but yet they are from the same time.  Please....scroll up and take a look at my pics again.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mjj29081958 on March 21, 2010, 09:51:35 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
I agree that O2 is real MJ...  look at the pinky on the left hand.. the arthritis bump.  You can see it in loads of other photos too

Yes, that's a very specific sign.
Also you can see these kind of marks in his hands, in pics from other Michael's appearances, I too think that it's ink.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 21, 2010, 09:53:52 PM
Quote from: "onemoretime"
It is fun to read, but there is no doubt in my mind, that 02-dude is NOT Michael.

Quote
Souza wrote:
I KNOW the angle is different, but STILL I see the hands are different. The fingers, the lines, the wrist. Under the pink it's round at O2 dude's hand and straight down on MJ's hand.

O2 dude is not Mike, I keep saying that. If you don't agree that's fine by me, but I stick to it because O2 dude doesn't even look like him.

The hands are completely different. Michael has an artist's hand, whereas the double has thicker fingers.
The wrist looks more like a raw chicken thigh to me with veins in it - sorry no insult intended, just a description to make the difference clearer. This person is not as intellectual as Michael, guessing from his fingers. More practical, I suppose. Michael has beautiful slim fingers and thumbs, not as thick as the double's - sorry.
The lines on their palms are totally different. Michael's hands have more distinct lines, they are older hands, as there are more life-lines. 02-dude has younger hands, it even looks as if he is wearing very thin plastic gloves to make them look older. Look at his wrist near the bracelet which shall cover the line where the glove's rim can be seen.
There are two Michaels at the 02 conference, one is the real one.
Michael's face is more elegant and without the slightly aggressive touch, which is shown in the body language, too. Michael would never behave like this dude. Watch him enter the stage - like a monkey.
Compare it with Michael on stage, when he held his Sony-speech in London. He walks like a LORD, that is such a difference. No-one can completely copy Michael, no double can.
are these artists hands you are talking about?  LOL...
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 21, 2010, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
I agree that O2 is real MJ...  look at the pinky on the left hand.. the arthritis bump.  You can see it in loads of other photos too

Yes, that's a very specific sign.
Also you can see these kind of marks in his hands, in pics from other Michael's appearances, I too think that it's ink.

Yes...  its not something that can be fakes, the arthiritis in the fingers.. and in the left hand pinky it is very prominent.  I have seen it in lots of photos in 2009 and clearly, 02 guy is real MJ as he also has this.

My mum has this.. and it makes the finger thicker..  hence why some people are saying his hands are not "long and artistic" looking as when he was younger.  MJ was suffering from arthitis in his fingers, and this is why they look different and thicker to what we are used to from the past.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 21, 2010, 10:15:39 PM
This article here is really good:  http://www.buzzle.com/articles/arthriti ... ngers.html (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/arthritis-symptoms-in-fingers.html)

It explains how arthiritis affects the joints of the fingers and can alter the look of the hands.

Ive also had a sudden thought.. this may explain the scars and marks in the autopsy around MJs wrists and hands...   Cortison injections can be used to treat the symptoms of this condition.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 21, 2010, 10:24:20 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
This article here is really good:  http://www.buzzle.com/articles/arthriti ... ngers.html (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/arthritis-symptoms-in-fingers.html)

It explains how arthiritis affects the joints of the fingers and can alter the look of the hands.

Ive also had a sudden thought.. this may explain the scars and marks in the autopsy around MJs wrists and hands...   Cortison injections can be used to treat the symptoms of this condition.
if you take a look at the photos I posted of MJ giving the peace sign, you will notice on a couple of photos he has some bumps in the wrist, or nodules.  This can happen with people who have Lupus, as well as other things can cause this.  Most probably he had these removed and that is what caused the small scars because they are in some photos and then in more recent ones, not there.  But cortizone shots would explain all the puncture marks around joint areas on the autopsy report!  You are right about that I bet!
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 22, 2010, 12:35:02 AM
I am sorry, but you are comparing O2 dude's hands with hands of MJ's with sunglasses and masks...
Please explain to me how you know that is Mike?

You know, I have made my point. O2 dude and Mike do not match, I guess time will tell.

Let's discuss this further after bamsday!  :lol:
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: Hopeless on March 22, 2010, 05:41:43 AM
Hello,
i am very confused and can't say on witch picture we see Michael Jackson...the one who was black in the past....for me he looks so much bigger, the head so much bigger in the last 15 years but that's my opinion...
I found pictures from his hands in his youth....i know hands changes when we get older, but 50 years isn't old and the length of the fingers, the propotions from fingers to the hand must be nearly the same...also the lines.
Please take a look :

http://mjjgallery.free.fr/thriller/awar ... ng/006.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/thriller/awards/screening/006.jpg)

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/En ... 070109.jpg (http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20090701/425.jackson.michael.lc.070109.jpg)

http://www.handresearch.com/news/pictur ... -white.jpg (http://www.handresearch.com/news/pictures/michael-jackson-right-hand-wax-cast-madame-tussauds-white.jpg)
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: 1VLOVE on March 22, 2010, 07:34:10 AM
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
I agree that O2 is real MJ...  look at the pinky on the left hand.. the arthritis bump.  You can see it in loads of other photos too

Yes, that's a very specific sign.
Also you can see these kind of marks in his hands, in pics from other Michael's appearances, I too think that it's ink.

Why would he have ink on his left hand? He's right handed so seems to me that the ink would be on his right hand, not his left.
Just my thought.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mjj29081958 on March 22, 2010, 09:46:27 AM
Quote from: "1VLOVE"
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
I agree that O2 is real MJ...  look at the pinky on the left hand.. the arthritis bump.  You can see it in loads of other photos too

Yes, that's a very specific sign.
Also you can see these kind of marks in his hands, in pics from other Michael's appearances, I too think that it's ink.

Why would he have ink on his left hand? He's right handed so seems to me that the ink would be on his right hand, not his left.
Just my thought.

Yes, you'll think I'm a dumb, but that happens to me sometimes, when I try to close the pen/ marker.  I'm right handed too. Just my experience with pens!. :D
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: techdiva on March 22, 2010, 09:50:46 AM
Quote from: "onemoretime"
It is fun to read, but there is no doubt in my mind, that 02-dude is NOT Michael.

Quote
Souza wrote:
I KNOW the angle is different, but STILL I see the hands are different. The fingers, the lines, the wrist. Under the pink it's round at O2 dude's hand and straight down on MJ's hand.

O2 dude is not Mike, I keep saying that. If you don't agree that's fine by me, but I stick to it because O2 dude doesn't even look like him.

The hands are completely different. Michael has an artist's hand, whereas the double has thicker fingers.
The wrist looks more like a raw chicken thigh to me with veins in it - sorry no insult intended, just a description to make the difference clearer. This person is not as intellectual as Michael, guessing from his fingers. More practical, I suppose. Michael has beautiful slim fingers and thumbs, not as thick as the double's - sorry.
The lines on their palms are totally different. Michael's hands have more distinct lines, they are older hands, as there are more life-lines. 02-dude has younger hands, it even looks as if he is wearing very thin plastic gloves to make them look older. Look at his wrist near the bracelet which shall cover the line where the glove's rim can be seen.
There are two Michaels at the 02 conference, one is the real one.
Michael's face is more elegant and without the slightly aggressive touch, which is shown in the body language, too. Michael would never behave like this dude. Watch him enter the stage - like a monkey.
Compare it with Michael on stage, when he held his Sony-speech in London. He walks like a LORD, that is such a difference. No-one can completely copy Michael, no double can.

Thank you so much for your description. It has hit the nail on the head. I always knew there were too MJ's at the O2 press conference.  The MJ was backstage looking through the curtains.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 22, 2010, 09:50:26 PM
If no body can see that these two hands are from the same person, I don't know what else to say...I give up.  I'm scared for what else other people are unwilling to see :(
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 22, 2010, 10:07:57 PM
these are the same as well
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 22, 2010, 10:18:22 PM
and last but not least...SOUZA...MO...Here is a better picture of the hand from the O2 anouncement.  Please...It is the same hand...It is MJ...He was there...If you can't see it, I am really so afraid for all the other things people refuse to see.
the comparison photo he is wearing glasses...is that ok?
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 23, 2010, 12:11:54 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
and last but not least...SOUZA...MO...Here is a better picture of the hand from the O2 anouncement.  Please...It is the same hand...It is MJ...He was there...If you can't see it, I am really so afraid for all the other things people refuse to see.
the comparison photo he is wearing glasses...is that ok?


mykidsmum, you are free to believe whatever you want, but I can assure you you will not convince us, certainly not with the pics you posted.

Like I said: Let's wait and see.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 23, 2010, 06:58:17 PM
ok souza, I don't know why I take the time to do this, I have no idea why it is so important to me, other than I want everyone to use their eyes and not their hearts.  I took the photo of the actual imprint of MJ's hand that someone posted and then took MJ's hand from the O2 conference and cut out pieces and laid them on top so everyone could see they are the same.  There is no photo of him with masks, or glasses, or if its him or not...I took the photo of his actual hand (cast) that is on display somewhere (I don't know where)  I can't do anymore.  It was MJ at the 02.  there is no possible way you will find anyone with this similar hand structure...who also possess body structure, face structure..etc.  Unless you take a twin or a clone...Even his brother's hands would not match like this.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 23, 2010, 07:17:54 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
ok souza, I don't know why I take the time to do this, I have no idea why it is so important to me, other than I want everyone to use their eyes and not their hearts.  I took the photo of the actual imprint of MJ's hand that someone posted and then took MJ's hand from the O2 conference and cut out pieces and laid them on top so everyone could see they are the same.  There is no photo of him with masks, or glasses, or if its him or not...I took the photo of his actual hand (cast) that is on display somewhere (I don't know where)  I can't do anymore.  It was MJ at the 02.  there is no possible way you will find anyone with this similar hand structure...who also possess body structure, face structure..etc.  Unless you take a twin or a clone...Even his brother's hands would not match like this.

May I remind you that I am not a fan and therefore I don't have an emotional barrier? I rely on my eyes here, and the hands are absolutely different.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 23, 2010, 07:24:06 PM
Im really sorry.. but all these hands are Michaels real hands.

The o2 guy was the REAL Michael Jackson.

If people wish to ignore the fact that arthiritis can clearly be seen in his left pinky finger.. and that this can be tracked to other pictures of MJ then, all i can say, is that some people are not willing to open their minds.

This cannot be faked... its 100 percent arthiritis as i have seen this in real life...   no way this can be faked.

Others have also posted pictures here which cleary prove that the lines of the hands and the bone structures are all the same.

I have seen more prove on this page to proof that this is the real MJ than i have seen evidence to DISPROVE.  In fact there is no proof on this thread that those hands are not the same.

Michael had a lot of work done on his face by Dr Klein in the upcoming months to that announcement.  He had fillers, etc..  clearly he has fillers in his lips and then a lot of lipstick over the top.   He has a lot of make up on in general, and is wearing a different wig.  All these factors contribute to his different look.
He was nervous as he did not believe he would be recieved well by the audience..  it had been over ten years since MJ had announced concerts and the man was very, very nervous.  Thats why his behaviour was a bit off..  its called nerves and stage fright.  Michael was a human being.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 23, 2010, 08:05:43 PM
ok souza...you think the hands are different...here is the face.  And you don't have to be a fan to have a heart.

I took the cut outs and pasted them onto another pic of MJ.  Underneath is what they both looked like before I started cutting.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: onemoretime on March 23, 2010, 08:32:39 PM
Hands and face totally different. No match. Sorry.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 23, 2010, 08:37:45 PM
Quote from: "onemoretime"
Hands and face totally different. No match. Sorry.

Its very easy to say this and not back it up with evidence.

mykidsmum has worked hard here and put a lot of pictures and time to illustrate her point.

if you have valid evidence to disprove what mykidsmum and myself have posted on here, then please do post it so we can see and discuss it.

I am still dumbfounded how the arthritis can be ignored...   its clear and its trackable.   It was also in the autopsy report.    :cry:

Thankyou
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 23, 2010, 08:45:57 PM
here is another cut and paste...I think I know more about MJ's face and hands then I ever wanted to know...LOL :lol:
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 23, 2010, 09:01:32 PM
@mykidsmum..  its awesome how much work and effort you have put into this.  xxx

Thankyou.. i appreciate it.   For me, the arthritis was the final persuasion for me.   Now you have concretely confirmed in my head that the real MJ was at O2...  not that i ever really felt it wasnt, but MJs behaviour was just off that day so i understand why people thought it wasnt the real him. Bless him.  X

Thankyou again.  Awesome effort. x
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 23, 2010, 09:52:16 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
@mykidsmum..  its awesome how much work and effort you have put into this.  xxx

Thankyou.. i appreciate it.   For me, the arthritis was the final persuasion for me.   Now you have concretely confirmed in my head that the real MJ was at O2...  not that i ever really felt it wasnt, but MJs behaviour was just off that day so i understand why people thought it wasnt the real him. Bless him.  X

Thankyou again.  Awesome effort. x
aww...thanks.... I got a couple more for you...  carlos riley, an impersonator, compared with MJ and MJ compared with MJ... To make them both the same, I used the nose as the focal line up point.  You can see Carlos doesn't line up too good.  I'm not saying Carlos was the one everyone thinks was there, I'm just using a dang good look alike.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: kemre on March 23, 2010, 10:26:17 PM
MYKIDSMUM

Thank you so very much for the comparison pictures. You did a great job. That must have took a lot of work. How did you do it if you wouldn't mind sharing? ? The way you cut the pieces and put them together? Prettttyyyy cool.

I was convinced that the 02 man was NOT Michael. He looked nothing like the Michael I had seen before.

But .. those hands look like a match to me! My mom has Lupus and her hands resemble MJ's a bit. I still don't think he looks like MJ but I'm no longer convinced that it wasn't him. I would think it would be impossible to mimmick the bumps on his fingers? I mean.. come on. They'd have to make a whole fake hand.

And the pictures that you cut and put together.. looks like a match to me.

Good work :)

I know I appreciate it!
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 23, 2010, 11:26:04 PM
Quote from: "kemre"
MYKIDSMUM

Thank you so very much for the comparison pictures. You did a great job. That must have took a lot of work. How did you do it if you wouldn't mind sharing? ? The way you cut the pieces and put them together? Prettttyyyy cool.

I was convinced that the 02 man was NOT Michael. He looked nothing like the Michael I had seen before.

But .. those hands look like a match to me! My mom has Lupus and her hands resemble MJ's a bit. I still don't think he looks like MJ but I'm no longer convinced that it wasn't him. I would think it would be impossible to mimmick the bumps on his fingers? I mean.. come on. They'd have to make a whole fake hand.

And the pictures that you cut and put together.. looks like a match to me.

Good work :)

I know I appreciate it!
Thank you so much!  I do appreciate that!  Is your avatar picture you?  If it is, you are striking!  As for the pictures, I use mjjpictures.com.  I find a pic of MJ from the O2 set and using my memory (I usually know where I have seen a picture to use as comparison, one that has him at the same angle...it is just a matter of finding it again)  I don't have photo shop, I use paint and photobucket.  If the picture isn't rotated exactly, I upload the photo I want to turn, to photobucket and make a copy of it and then turn it (like if his body is not quite in the same angle) then save it and then save it to my pictures on my computer...from there I open paint and paste the photo in, re-size and crop it.  Then I open another paint, take the second comparison picture, crop and re-size it. and then cut it and go back to the first one and paste it in beside the first one.  This is where I take out my handy measuring device...a ruler!  I have to re-size the picture I just pasted until it is the same size as the one I want to compare...after a few measurements and adjustments I save a copy to use as the comparison to the one I chop up.  Then I click on the upper left button on paint and that allows me to trace a line on the picture I want using my mouse.  Then I can click on it and move it over to the other picture.  That's it!  When I'm done, I paste the original in too for comparison...LOL!  So, thank you so so much for your appreciation:)
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 23, 2010, 11:35:06 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
@mykidsmum..  its awesome how much work and effort you have put into this.  xxx

Thankyou.. i appreciate it.   For me, the arthritis was the final persuasion for me.   Now you have concretely confirmed in my head that the real MJ was at O2...  not that i ever really felt it wasnt, but MJs behaviour was just off that day so i understand why people thought it wasnt the real him. Bless him.  X

Thankyou again.  Awesome effort. x
I'll admit something, at first I didn't think it was MJ...then I saw the same thing you did..the arthritis bump on his pinkey finger...I went thru all the pics on mjjpictures.com and on other picture sites looking for it!  Once I found that I started looking at face pictures...  There is a youtube segment that TracyK did about his walk...she did a great job showing clips of the same walk (strut) he did at the O2, on other occasions.  
[youtube:14hjye9h]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHMC1t6wvIw&feature=related[/youtube:14hjye9h]
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: LieBecomesTheTruth on March 23, 2010, 11:51:25 PM
mykidsmum you did such an awesome job! If people can look at those match-ups and still think that they are not the same person, then you will never be able to change their minds. In my opinion, they've spent so much time trying to prove that it was not MJ at the O2 arena that, at this point, they would be too embarrassed to admit they've been wrong along.   ;)
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: kemre on March 24, 2010, 01:34:51 AM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "kemre"
MYKIDSMUM

Thank you so very much for the comparison pictures. You did a great job. That must have took a lot of work. How did you do it if you wouldn't mind sharing? ? The way you cut the pieces and put them together? Prettttyyyy cool.

I was convinced that the 02 man was NOT Michael. He looked nothing like the Michael I had seen before.

But .. those hands look like a match to me! My mom has Lupus and her hands resemble MJ's a bit. I still don't think he looks like MJ but I'm no longer convinced that it wasn't him. I would think it would be impossible to mimmick the bumps on his fingers? I mean.. come on. They'd have to make a whole fake hand.

And the pictures that you cut and put together.. looks like a match to me.

Good work :)

I know I appreciate it!
Thank you so much!  I do appreciate that!  Is your avatar picture you?  If it is, you are striking!  As for the pictures, I use mjjpictures.com.  I find a pic of MJ from the O2 set and using my memory (I usually know where I have seen a picture to use as comparison, one that has him at the same angle...it is just a matter of finding it again)  I don't have photo shop, I use paint and photobucket.  If the picture isn't rotated exactly, I upload the photo I want to turn, to photobucket and make a copy of it and then turn it (like if his body is not quite in the same angle) then save it and then save it to my pictures on my computer...from there I open paint and paste the photo in, re-size and crop it.  Then I open another paint, take the second comparison picture, crop and re-size it. and then cut it and go back to the first one and paste it in beside the first one.  This is where I take out my handy measuring device...a ruler!  I have to re-size the picture I just pasted until it is the same size as the one I want to compare...after a few measurements and adjustments I save a copy to use as the comparison to the one I chop up.  Then I click on the upper left button on paint and that allows me to trace a line on the picture I want using my mouse.  Then I can click on it and move it over to the other picture.  That's it!  When I'm done, I paste the original in too for comparison...LOL!  So, thank you so so much for your appreciation:)

Yes. That's me. I'm flattered! Thank you :)

WOW! I thought for sure that you would have used photoshop. The picture with the black hand mold.. and the 02 hand picture looks pretty awesome.

I would have never been able to distinguish the similarities that you pointed out had I not seen those photo's.

The face photo matches spot on. Good work. Kudos
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: the arabian nights on March 24, 2010, 08:08:02 AM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Im really sorry.. but all these hands are Michaels real hands.

The o2 guy was the REAL Michael Jackson.

If people wish to ignore the fact that arthiritis can clearly be seen in his left pinky finger.. and that this can be tracked to other pictures of MJ then, all i can say, is that some people are not willing to open their minds.

This cannot be faked... its 100 percent arthiritis as i have seen this in real life...   no way this can be faked.

Others have also posted pictures here which cleary prove that the lines of the hands and the bone structures are all the same.

I have seen more prove on this page to proof that this is the real MJ than i have seen evidence to DISPROVE.  In fact there is no proof on this thread that those hands are not the same.

Michael had a lot of work done on his face by Dr Klein in the upcoming months to that announcement.  He had fillers, etc..  clearly he has fillers in his lips and then a lot of lipstick over the top.   He has a lot of make up on in general, and is wearing a different wig.  All these factors contribute to his different look.
He was nervous as he did not believe he would be recieved well by the audience..  it had been over ten years since MJ had announced concerts and the man was very, very nervous.  Thats why his behaviour was a bit off..  its called nerves and stage fright.  Michael was a human being.

i second that  but i dont think his behave was off he was in sinq with the crowd - brill
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: the arabian nights on March 24, 2010, 08:09:55 AM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
@mykidsmum..  its awesome how much work and effort you have put into this.  xxx

Thankyou.. i appreciate it.   For me, the arthritis was the final persuasion for me.   Now you have concretely confirmed in my head that the real MJ was at O2...  not that i ever really felt it wasnt, but MJs behaviour was just off that day so i understand why people thought it wasnt the real him. Bless him.  X

Thankyou again.  Awesome effort. x
I'll admit something, at first I didn't think it was MJ...then I saw the same thing you did..the arthritis bump on his pinkey finger...I went thru all the pics on mjjpictures.com and on other picture sites looking for it!  Once I found that I started looking at face pictures...  There is a youtube segment that TracyK did about his walk...she did a great job showing clips of the same walk (strut) he did at the O2, on other occasions.  
[youtube:tg8lcm02]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHMC1t6wvIw&feature=related[/youtube:tg8lcm02]

exactly and all of this has been posted on previous doubles threads of which there must be 10 or more
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: the arabian nights on March 24, 2010, 08:11:15 AM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
ok souza...you think the hands are different...here is the face.  And you don't have to be a fan to have a heart.

I took the cut outs and pasted them onto another pic of MJ.  Underneath is what they both looked like before I started cutting.

good work on the cut and paste
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 24, 2010, 10:43:36 AM
I will do some comparisations when I get home.  ;)
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 24, 2010, 10:46:17 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
I will do some comparisations when I get home.  ;)
Souza, I would love to see...honestly, :)  I would like to see something from your vantage point so I can understand what you are seeing or not seeing.  I'll be looking forward to it....Enjoy your day:)
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 24, 2010, 01:32:17 PM
So, like I promised, here is the comparisation. I did not alter the pics, I only scaled one pic so the nose and mouth (we can't see O2 dude's eyes) would match. Mike's chin is shorter and his jaws are smaller (which would make sense if O2 dude was wearing a mask (prostetic make-up).

It's clear the faces don't match so one of them is a double, and I am pretty sure the black and white one is the real deal, that is why I picked that picture. Of all the comparisations you made, there is not one where I am sure you compared it to the real MJ. But maybe I am wrong and i just don't know how Mike looks like.


These are the 2 pics I compared:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/11.jpg)


Split in half:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/Comp1.jpg)


Animated comparisation. Just put your cursor on the tip of Mike's chin and wait till O2 dude pops up again. Or on O2 dudes jaw line and wait till Mike is back. No match:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2-mike.gif)
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 24, 2010, 02:05:43 PM
And another one:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/11-2.jpg)


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/Comp2.jpg)


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2-mike2.gif)
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: AnnieIsNotOK on March 24, 2010, 02:26:07 PM
Well...definately no match with the jaw line :?...I keep changing my mind about this 02 guy :shock: My first gut feeling was that it wasn't Michael...Then some posts try to proove it was him...Now these jaw pics...disturbing :? Will I ever make up  my mind on this :shock:  :lol:  :lol: Maybe I should stick with my first idea...it wasn't him...
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: Raven on March 24, 2010, 02:41:28 PM
Souza concerning the jawline and not lining up, can you do me a favour?

Walk up to a mirror. Look at yourself. Then lower your jaw but keep your lips closed. Then pull your jaw to the left whilst keeping your lips closed. And then the same to the right.
Then do the same in front of a camera and have yourself photographed and try to line up the pictures.

Another one. In your own morphing picture, focus on the lines in his lips. They are total match. Like everything else. Even the eyebrows overlap identically
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 24, 2010, 02:45:20 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
Souza concerning the jawline and not lining up, can you do me a favour?

Walk up to a mirror. Look at yourself. Then lower your jaw but keep your lips closed. Then pull your jaw to the left whilst keeping your lips closed. And then the same to the right.
Then do the same in front of a camera and have yourself photographed and try to line up the pictures.

Sure, and my chin will be a hell of a lot shorter as well  :?  :roll:

Like I said, either you see it or you deny it, I made my point.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: *Mo* on March 24, 2010, 02:49:58 PM
You know what?  The next time Souza is here I will grab my Nikon and do a whole shoot.  We will then start layering up the pics and show you the results.  I can tell you right now that pulling your jaw to one side does not make your jaw wider on BOTH sides.  Next to that - one chin (length from lower lip to the end of the chin) is definitely shorter, which has nothing to do with opening or closing your mouth.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: Raven on March 24, 2010, 02:52:10 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Sure, and my chin will be a hell of a lot shorter as well  :?  :roll:

Like I said, either you see it or you deny it, I made my point.
Yes, you can lower your jaw when you keep your lips closed, so the jawline lowers. I think you get the point.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: Raven on March 24, 2010, 02:56:17 PM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
You know what?  The next time Souza is here I will grab my Nikon and do a whole shoot.  We will then start layering up the pics and show you the results.  I can tell you right now that pulling your jaw to one side does not make your jaw wider on BOTH sides.  Next to that - one chin (length from lower lip to the end of the chin) is definitely shorter, which has nothing to do with opening or closing your mouth.
the jaw is not wider on both sides. the o2 picture has the wig cover the sides of the jaws. the morph souza posted is a perfect match.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: *Mo* on March 24, 2010, 02:57:26 PM
:roll: I give up...really I give up...  Just wait and see, but don't come crying at my door!
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 24, 2010, 02:58:09 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
the morph souza posted is a perfect match.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: jacilovesmichael on March 24, 2010, 02:58:58 PM
Not to mention the picture where he's wearing white, his lips are slighly parted - which means his jaw was most likely relaxed and could potentially make his chin appear longer. But it doesn't. It is shorter. It is unlikely that he would be lowering his jaw while keeping his mouth closed at the 02 announcement. I don't think that's a natural habit for anyone? To be fair, I do think it's important to keep in mind that both of these photos without glasses clearly have been photoshopped, as all pictures are when they appear in magazines. Wrinkles and blemishes are removed, it is also possible to change the appearance of features. I don't think that is likely though.. he was always changing his chin to be more masculine, so I don't think he would want his chin reduced in the photos. If that makes sense.

I think Souza's comparisons make a valid point. When were both of those pictures taken?  I know the white was in Vanity Fair, right? just a few years ago? Just curious.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: Raven on March 24, 2010, 03:00:10 PM
I'll really look forward seeying Souza's photo's  :lol:

 :|  -> :)  -> :D
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: alovesmichael on March 24, 2010, 03:17:06 PM
@Souza

First photo is from the 90's and Michael's face has changed a bit since then (e.g. it's not as full). Second picture is also not very recent and looks well photo-shopped so perhaps you should try finding a more recent photo to compare. Just some advice not being sarcastic.

I have had my doubts about o2-Michael but I do believe that it was real Michael. I also do believe make-up, fillers, different wigs and weight loss changed Michael's appearence in a short period of time. Just as, I think it was DancingTheDream, has already mentioned. I don't think it's the first time Michael's appearance has changed quite drastically in a short period of time (e.g 1984-1985, 1999-2000/01, 2007-2008 etc.)
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: *Mo* on March 24, 2010, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
I don't think it's the first time Michael's appearance has changed quite drastically in a short period of time (e.g 1984-1985, 1999-2000/01, 2007-2008 etc.)

Mike has not changed that much, it's the use of doubles that makes you THINK he has changed so much...  It's just an ILLusion.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: alovesmichael on March 24, 2010, 03:37:27 PM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
I don't think it's the first time Michael's appearance has changed quite drastically in a short period of time (e.g 1984-1985, 1999-2000/01, 2007-2008 etc.)

Mike has not changed that much, it's the use of doubles that makes you THINK he has changed so much...  It's just an ILLusion.

I do not doubt that Michael had many doubles but not during appearances where he actually spoke. I've been a fan of Michael all my life and I've looked at many interviews, pictures etc. which is what I based my comment on. I also like to look into things and research things before I make up my mind, so I'm not a fan that see what I want to see. "Drastically" might not have been the right choice of word but at least a visible change. Back then mainly because of vitiligo, weight loss and make-up and these factors including fillers and wigs are, what I believe, the reasons for the more recent changes.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: MJmakesmespeechless on March 24, 2010, 04:20:09 PM
And how do we not know that the photo has not been altered and touched that your posting???
For instance that one of Michael in white i think he was on one of the magazines either Ebony or Time or something from 2007???? Come on it is definately touched. Maybe to make him look "perfect" which come on nobody is
How about you take some TII photos and try this instead.....
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: the arabian nights on March 24, 2010, 04:22:20 PM
Quote from: "MJmakesmespeechless"
And how do we not know that the photo has not been altered and touched that your posting???
For instance that one of Michael in white i think he was on one of the magazines either Ebony or Time or something from 2007???? Come on it is definately touched. Maybe to make him look "perfect" which come on nobody is
How about you take some TII photos and try this instead.....

good

yes he did look perfect and global in his looks - i do love those pics

and to the pic genius' fantastic work - even if i disagree
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: *Mo* on March 24, 2010, 04:27:29 PM
Quote from: "MJmakesmespeechless"
And how do we not know that the photo has not been altered and touched that your posting???
For instance that one of Michael in white i think he was on one of the magazines either Ebony or Time or something from 2007???? Come on it is definately touched. Maybe to make him look "perfect" which come on nobody is
How about you take some TII photos and try this instead.....

Hahahahaha, from which double in TII?  :lol:
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 24, 2010, 04:36:32 PM
souza, I saw your pics...great pics.  I just want to say, you must use two pictures that are not from a photo shoot.  I know these are great pics, but pictures from photo shoots are photo shopped.  Chins are made smaller, eyes widened and everything to put in a place that is pleasing to the consumer.  This is why when I choose my pictures, I choose from public events or outings...things that people are not going to take the time to alter like in photo shoots.  I love what you did but one of them the size is off.   What program do you use and how do you do it?  I would love to be able to do that. (the fading).  Any way, I don't want to make more work for you, but can you choose another pic that is not from a photo shoot.  The more candid the better.  Like I said...gimme an hour...LOL
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 24, 2010, 05:04:01 PM
ok, Souza, here is my first result...I took two of your pictures as is...All I did was crop them.  You had the size of the colored photo off so as you can see, it does not lign up at all.  The next one is the same two photos but I increased the size of the colored photo by 8 percent.  They lign up better but you can see the eyes were photo shopped (made smaller) and the chin and nose were re aligned.  These are not good pictures to compare to the O2 picture.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 24, 2010, 05:24:22 PM
ok souza, here are two pictures you compared....Once again the sizes were off.  Once they were even, they lineup.  The only difference is the top of the lip where he had lip liner at the O2 and his chin very slightly.  This no doubt has to do with the more defined "dimple" he was sporting and the injections Dr. Klein was administering.   It could also be from the angle of the black and white photo, where he is angled down a little more.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: Raven on March 24, 2010, 05:46:25 PM
Well...another clue, Michael has 2 round scars on the right side of his chin. If you KNOW where to look that is UP CLOSE :lol:
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 24, 2010, 05:48:46 PM
To Souza and anyone else who doesn't believe the O2 MJ was the real MJ...here is the last picture...it is Young MJ with Old MJ...show me any other picture of any ANY ANY ANY impersonator who could EVER match up as well.  It is not ever going to happen because the O2 MJ was the real MJ...50 years old and some surgical cosmetic touch ups later...go to to mjjpictures.com  take a look at the year 2009...take a look at the list of pictures under "various"...now tell me how many pictures are taken at Dr. Klein's office....almost too many to count.  I guess he was just visiting and these visits had NOTHING to do with why he looked so different at the O2?
Enjoy the match
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 24, 2010, 07:31:55 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
Well...another clue, Michael has 2 round scars on the right side of his chin. If you KNOW where to look that is UP CLOSE :lol:
you mean these two round scars?  I know where to look.
PS...the lighting at the O2 was very bright (the way MJ liked it when being recorded...remember him with the black eyed peas guy, the ET interview...he tells them to make the light very bright to wash out his wrinkles and shadows and make it look like he slept) and washed out lots of stuff.  I played with the contrast in one of the pics so you can see the two round scars you are talking about...or are you now going to say those are not them?
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 24, 2010, 07:46:07 PM
or maybe this one?  LOL...you guys know I am being light hearted about this...I really love what you guys have to say about other stuff.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 24, 2010, 10:14:16 PM
where is everyone?
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: kemre on March 25, 2010, 01:41:11 AM
I tried to make a comparison tonight. And wow! .. It's a lot of work.

That's l.o.v.E!
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: the arabian nights on March 25, 2010, 03:37:27 AM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
or maybe this one?  LOL...you guys know I am being light hearted about this...I really love what you guys have to say about other stuff.

i totally agree with you
mike all the way
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: Raven on March 25, 2010, 03:38:43 AM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "Raven"
Well...another clue, Michael has 2 round scars on the right side of his chin. If you KNOW where to look that is UP CLOSE :lol:
you mean these two round scars?  I know where to look.
PS...the lighting at the O2 was very bright (the way MJ liked it when being recorded...remember him with the black eyed peas guy, the ET interview...he tells them to make the light very bright to wash out his wrinkles and shadows and make it look like he slept) and washed out lots of stuff.  I played with the contrast in one of the pics so you can see the two round scars you are talking about...or are you now going to say those are not them?
Yes, they are exactly the ones I ment. Thanks Mykidsmymum. Actually, there is a slightly less more visible third one right above the one on the outside as well. On other pics those two outside ones are most visible.
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: mykidsmum on March 25, 2010, 07:29:24 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "Raven"
Well...another clue, Michael has 2 round scars on the right side of his chin. If you KNOW where to look that is UP CLOSE :lol:
you mean these two round scars?  I know where to look.
PS...the lighting at the O2 was very bright (the way MJ liked it when being recorded...remember him with the black eyed peas guy, the ET interview...he tells them to make the light very bright to wash out his wrinkles and shadows and make it look like he slept) and washed out lots of stuff.  I played with the contrast in one of the pics so you can see the two round scars you are talking about...or are you now going to say those are not them?
Yes, they are exactly the ones I ment. Thanks Mykidsmymum. Actually, there is a slightly less more visible third one right above the one on the outside as well. On other pics those two outside ones are most visible.
oh my gosh...LOL...Raven, I thought you were Souza when you made that post!  I saw the yellow brick road and not the name...sorry:)  Thanks for the idea to look for the scars...LOL
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: the arabian nights on March 27, 2010, 02:04:39 PM
doubles can in many guises

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: [youtube:ta1vg11d]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSY3KpGLpe4&NR=1[/youtube:ta1vg11d]
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: AgentBJ on March 30, 2010, 01:03:43 PM
I don't see scars on his chin... :?
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: the arabian nights on March 30, 2010, 04:40:14 PM
arnie in his tmz 1 hour long talk said that he filled mikes face so this may alter the appearence of scars dents, etc
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: MissG on June 06, 2010, 07:15:48 PM
The hands issu keept me thinking, so I searched for a pic of MJ when he was a little boy and pasted other hands from his adult periods. Checking his hand, looks like O2 Guy is MJ.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: MissG on June 06, 2010, 07:16:12 PM
:arrow:
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: ~Souza~ on June 07, 2010, 04:21:28 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
The hands issu keept me thinking, so I searched for a pic of MJ when he was a little boy and pasted other hands from his adult periods. Checking his hand, looks like O2 Guy is MJ.

What do you think?

I think O2 dude is O2 dude and not Mike. I do wonder who he could be...
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: xxmjxx on June 07, 2010, 05:14:16 PM
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/q67BiXO7Ryf/Michael+Jackson+Returning+Hotel/BrTXjMUbHN6/Michael+Jackson just some pictures i found of the 02,please delete if they have been posted before. :) x
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: MissG on June 10, 2010, 06:08:43 PM
*skeaking out of my cell*
 :?  where is the pic I posted?
*back to my cell*

@xxmjxx to me all those pics looks shopped  :?
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: suesuzzfaithkeeper on June 11, 2010, 12:06:04 AM
yeah same here to me..just clicked on the link above and they seem to be shopped..only due to looking at his finger nails at this time...i didnt really look at his face or anything else much..lol..
long rough day..tired..but thats what i get out of the pictures in the link
huggs to all
suzz
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: Grace on June 11, 2010, 07:45:26 AM
What a horror anyway.
I cannot understand why for heaven's sake fans do behave like that.


(http://www1.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Returning+Hotel+DUzM2_4NMAjl.jpg)
http://www1.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Mich ... 4NMAjl.jpg (http://www1.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Returning+Hotel+DUzM2_4NMAjl.jpg)
Title: Re: Marks on MJ's hands
Post by: AgentBJ on June 11, 2010, 12:30:36 PM
This picture is very disturbing...poor Michael (is this the real one or the O2-dude? :? )...I adore his hair, it hurt me to see how fans are grabbing his beautiful hair... :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
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