Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Hoax Videos => Topic started by: koulio02 on March 04, 2010, 04:29:02 AM
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désolé c'est en francais
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xce605_micka (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xce605_micka)
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désolé c'est en francais
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xce605_micka (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xce605_micka)
This is a very interesting video, wish I had paid more attention when leaning french in school!
Is this a creditable source "dailymotion" if it is this could be good news for us beLIEvers as although my french in non existent these days it would seem they are discussing the hoax.
Any french speakers please correct me if I am wrong ;)
I think we are moving along there 8-)
:)
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can some one plz translate
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It is actually everything we wrote in this and the old forum, there is nothing new except the fact that for the first time it is being broadcasted by television and brought to a large number of people.
Could any french member tell us a little about what kind of channel it is that is broadcasting?
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It's a little channel they do have an audience
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[quote = "raphaelleanique"] Il s'agit en fait tout ce que nous a écrit dans le présent et l'ancien forum, il n'ya rien de nouveau à part le fait que, pour la première fois, il est diffusé par la télévision et amené dans un grand nombre de personnes.
Tout membre français pourrait nous en dire un peu sur ce genre de canal, il est qui diffuse? [/ Quote]
is a new television channel
This television channel broadcasts programs of all styles.
this is not a trash television.
It is the first in France to be interested in hoax .
i hope you enderstand :)
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This channel is a small one, every kind of programs. They usely are "direct" TV (name is Direct8) and they had a whole week talking about all the hoax theories about MJ's death. There was an information everyday, to explain about the hoax. The informations are juste the same as what we have on the net : hatman, davedave, beLIEve picture, Michael's making a movie about his death, they talk about what the sisters wrotte in the book at the funeral (we hope too see you soon again right here)
It's juste the first time on french tv that a channel talks about the hoax possibility.
We also had a show (documentary) about MJ last days and this afternoon we had special MJ's video clip on tv.
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Is there any possibility to contact them and ask them for their reasons since they seem to be the only ones in the world doing these things?
I was in LA a week ago and visited carolwooddrive 100 and I was approached by two members of a (rather more serious)french tv channel at MJs house. They were filming the surrounding and wanted to make a tv special on MJs children. They kindly asked me a few questions upon Michaels kids and I got a litttle curious and asked them a few questions,too. They told me that they were going to interview Brian Oxman, and the cameraman told me that he was there as the ambulancepicture was taken and such stuff.
So you guys in France, please watch out for the next time,IDK what channel it was but the cameraman said something like ZDF in Germany, so not the ultimate trash one and not a small one.
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As direct8 is interesseted in it, maybe other channels want to find clues about that.
Maybe you can contact Direct8 to ask them, but I think they are often interesseted in what happen on the web.
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Is there any possibility to contact them and ask them for their reasons since they seem to be the only ones in the world doing these things?
I was in LA a week ago and visited carolwooddrive 100 and I was approached by two members of a (rather more serious)french tv channel at MJs house. They were filming the surrounding and wanted to make a tv special on MJs children. They kindly asked me a few questions upon Michaels kids and I got a litttle curious and asked them a few questions,too. They told me that they were going to interview Brian Oxman, and the cameraman told me that he was there as the ambulancepicture was taken and such stuff.
So you guys in France, please watch out for the next time,IDK what channel it was but the cameraman said something like ZDF in Germany, so not the ultimate trash one and not a small one.
What did he exactly said about ZDF in Germany? This is interesting because ZDF is known as a serious chanel, nothing like RTL which is tabloid...
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Is there any possibility to contact them and ask them for their reasons since they seem to be the only ones in the world doing these things?
I was in LA a week ago and visited carolwooddrive 100 and I was approached by two members of a (rather more serious)french tv channel at MJs house. They were filming the surrounding and wanted to make a tv special on MJs children. They kindly asked me a few questions upon Michaels kids and I got a litttle curious and asked them a few questions,too. They told me that they were going to interview Brian Oxman, and the cameraman told me that he was there as the ambulancepicture was taken and such stuff.
So you guys in France, please watch out for the next time,IDK what channel it was but the cameraman said something like ZDF in Germany, so not the ultimate trash one and not a small one.
When you say "he was there", are you referring to the cameraman being there when the photo was taken or Brian Oxman?
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WOW good vid! I believe that the bigger these hoax rumors are gonna get the sooner he has to come back! And now they are starting to broadcast these rumors, I strongly believe the BAM is more then near!!
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What I don't understand with french tv in this moment is that we continue to have things about MJ. I mean, we know it's about money, but for "a dead guy" it should be less and less, and it seems to be more and more :D
We have many documentary, video clip, things about the hoax...I don't know but if you see and DaveDave "map" you can see many french people consulting his myspace.
I think France definitly WANTS to beLIEve :lol: !
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What I don't understand with french tv in this moment is that we continue to have things about MJ. I mean, we know it's about money, but for "a dead guy" it should be less and less, and it seems to be more and more :D
We have many documentary, video clip, things about the hoax...I don't know but if you see and DaveDave "map" you can see many french people consulting his myspace.
I think France definitly WANTS to beLIEve :lol: !
Yeah I know what you mean, I can't turn the tv on without MJ's face in music videos, documentary, news. And it's not just Direct 8 I saw two documentary on TF1 the biggest channel of Europe
France is really intrested in MJ
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Of course we musn't forget that March is the "DVD Month" :? But yes we have MJ everywhere here. I listen to MFm radio for about 3/4hours a day (while cleaning and taking care of pets) and I can hear at least 3 or 4 songs every time (so it means 1 per hour) I've never heard Michael so often on radio in 15 years :lol: Last time I was having a warm bath, and I turned on the radio, and it was Smooth Criminal...I mean, warm water, just relaxing, and good old MJ's song on the radio...how could life be better ? :D
yeserday it was "blame it on the boogie" and "the way you make me feel", and this afternon on W9 I had "will you be there" and "you are not alone" video clip.
I wish we could have "younger" songs like "Blood on the dance floor"'s songs, or "Invincible" ones...
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désolé c'est en francais
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xce605_micka (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xce605_micka)
Very good video!Merci for the link ;)
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I also work on HOAX
here : http://www.newsmichaeljackson.net/f54-E ... s-etre.htm (http://www.newsmichaeljackson.net/f54-Etre-ou-ne-pas-etre.htm)
I'll try to contact direct8
to know their position on the hoax.
I will keep you informed
I hope you understand me
keep the faith
it's all for L.O.V.E
koulio02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6uh1xqQeCk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6uh1xqQeCk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUV6-MI9omc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUV6-MI9omc)
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Is there any possibility to contact them and ask them for their reasons since they seem to be the only ones in the world doing these things?
I was in LA a week ago and visited carolwooddrive 100 and I was approached by two members of a (rather more serious)french tv channel at MJs house. They were filming the surrounding and wanted to make a tv special on MJs children. They kindly asked me a few questions upon Michaels kids and I got a litttle curious and asked them a few questions,too. They told me that they were going to interview Brian Oxman, and the cameraman told me that he was there as the ambulancepicture was taken and such stuff.
So you guys in France, please watch out for the next time,IDK what channel it was but the cameraman said something like ZDF in Germany, so not the ultimate trash one and not a small one.
What did he exactly said about ZDF in Germany? This is interesting because ZDF is known as a serious chanel, nothing like RTL which is tabloid...
Sorry for answering late,had to go to bed and get up at 03.30 this morning for work!
I visited MJs house with a german friend of mine. The cameraman heard us talking german, so, on my question which channel he is working for, he answered: "a french channel like the german ZDF"but did not mention the french channel. They interviewed us about the children;what we thought of them and so on,which I did not like,because we do not really know them.I asked about the hoaxprogram on french tv, but he denied being involved in that. As I had a chance to talk to his colleague,I asked about their plans for the tv program. She then answered that they were also going to have an interview with Brian Oxman. I reacted and asked what they thought of B.O. claiming the ambulancepic to be fake. The cameraman, who was very kind and calm and respectfull, answered that he had been there as the ambulancepic was taken and that the picture is real, which I did not discuss. So, that surprised me and we got to talk about Ron Evenstadt and Christoph Weiss and I had the impression he was well prepared and I guess he was surprised that I knew some details,too.I also asked whether Christian Audigier still had any plans to move in the mansion or make some MJ museum/exhibition/tribute out of it.He said no, but on my question whether the mansion is still owned by Ed Hardy CEO, he confirmed. The house is obviously not occupied. BTW, we were there on a wednesday and the trashcontainers were outside the house. Already emptied. Remember it was discussed why they were outside on that thursday 25th? Some LA members confirmed wednesday being the trashpickupday (sorry for my somewhat inventive english!).This encounter with the tv people was so unexpected and rushing .My non- believer- but -fan- friend pushing in the background; what the hell I was talking about and me wanting to talk more. Anyway, maybe the french members could do some research on the more serious french channels concerning MJ broadcasting.BTW, I heared many french TV channels are financially well supported by the government. How about their influence on the topics?
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I also work on HOAX
here : http://www.newsmichaeljackson.net/f54-E ... s-etre.htm (http://www.newsmichaeljackson.net/f54-Etre-ou-ne-pas-etre.htm)
I'll try to contact direct8
to know their position on the hoax.
I will keep you informed
I hope you understand me
keep the faith
it's all for L.O.V.E
koulio02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6uh1xqQeCk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6uh1xqQeCk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUV6-MI9omc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUV6-MI9omc)
Thank you!
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Of course we musn't forget that March is the "DVD Month" :? But yes we have MJ everywhere here. I listen to MFm radio for about 3/4hours a day (while cleaning and taking care of pets) and I can hear at least 3 or 4 songs every time (so it means 1 per hour) I've never heard Michael so often on radio in 15 years :lol: Last time I was having a warm bath, and I turned on the radio, and it was Smooth Criminal...I mean, warm water, just relaxing, and good old MJ's song on the radio...how could life be better ? :D
yeserday it was "blame it on the boogie" and "the way you make me feel", and this afternon on W9 I had "will you be there" and "you are not alone" video clip.
I wish we could have "younger" songs like "Blood on the dance floor"'s songs, or "Invincible" ones...
Me too,I would like some more of the invincable cd!
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Of course we musn't forget that March is the "DVD Month" :? But yes we have MJ everywhere here. I listen to MFm radio for about 3/4hours a day (while cleaning and taking care of pets) and I can hear at least 3 or 4 songs every time (so it means 1 per hour) I've never heard Michael so often on radio in 15 years :lol: Last time I was having a warm bath, and I turned on the radio, and it was Smooth Criminal...I mean, warm water, just relaxing, and good old MJ's song on the radio...how could life be better ? :D
yeserday it was "blame it on the boogie" and "the way you make me feel", and this afternon on W9 I had "will you be there" and "you are not alone" video clip.
I wish we could have "younger" songs like "Blood on the dance floor"'s songs, or "Invincible" ones...
Me too,I would like some more of the invincable cd!
the hing is TV cannot air Invincible songs cause MJ did one music video for that album. And for radio that's weird because I remember MJ's Invincible was #1 for weeks
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Is there any possibility to contact them and ask them for their reasons since they seem to be the only ones in the world doing these things?
I was in LA a week ago and visited carolwooddrive 100 and I was approached by two members of a (rather more serious)french tv channel at MJs house. They were filming the surrounding and wanted to make a tv special on MJs children. They kindly asked me a few questions upon Michaels kids and I got a litttle curious and asked them a few questions,too. They told me that they were going to interview Brian Oxman, and the cameraman told me that he was there as the ambulancepicture was taken and such stuff.
So you guys in France, please watch out for the next time,IDK what channel it was but the cameraman said something like ZDF in Germany, so not the ultimate trash one and not a small one.
What did he exactly said about ZDF in Germany? This is interesting because ZDF is known as a serious chanel, nothing like RTL which is tabloid...
Sorry for answering late,had to go to bed and get up at 03.30 this morning for work!
I visited MJs house with a german friend of mine. The cameraman heard us talking german, so, on my question which channel he is working for, he answered: "a french channel like the german ZDF"but did not mention the french channel. They interviewed us about the children;what we thought of them and so on,which I did not like,because we do not really know them.I asked about the hoaxprogram on french tv, but he denied being involved in that. As I had a chance to talk to his colleague,I asked about their plans for the tv program. She then answered that they were also going to have an interview with Brian Oxman. I reacted and asked what they thought of B.O. claiming the ambulancepic to be fake. The cameraman, who was very kind and calm and respectfull, answered that he had been there as the ambulancepic was taken and that the picture is real, which I did not discuss. So, that surprised me and we got to talk about Ron Evenstadt and Christoph Weiss and I had the impression he was well prepared and I guess he was surprised that I knew some details,too.I also asked whether Christian Audigier still had any plans to move in the mansion or make some MJ museum/exhibition/tribute out of it.He said no, but on my question whether the mansion is still owned by Ed Hardy CEO, he confirmed. The house is obviously not occupied. BTW, we were there on a wednesday and the trashcontainers were outside the house. Already emptied. Remember it was discussed why they were outside on that thursday 25th? Some LA members confirmed wednesday being the trashpickupday (sorry for my somewhat inventive english!).This encounter with the tv people was so unexpected and rushing .My non- believer- but -fan- friend pushing in the background; what the hell I was talking about and me wanting to talk more. Anyway, maybe the french members could do some research on the more serious french channels concerning MJ broadcasting.BTW, I heared many french TV channels are financially well supported by the government. How about their influence on the topics?
Oh, this is interestung. Thank you for the detailed answer. There is a little light in the dark investigation. So B.O. says the photo could be/or is fake and the cameraman mentioned that he was there and the pc is real...Hm..so far there is not one convincing evidence that this picture is a fake...speculations are not enoughp for me.
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How can the cameraman be there when the picture was taken ?
I mean,it was already weird that someone stood there this special morning to take the picture, but this special cameraman was there too ?
:?
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My thoughts, but it surely could have been the case. Maybe people were waiting for him to get out to go to staples and tried to get a glimpse and a picture of him.@ shout: no evidence, but a suspicious situation all together, with B.O. bringing out the imagination of a fake amb.pic. to the big public!
I wish I had posed him more questions. I definetaly would be a very unsuccesfull paparazzi ! :geek:
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Bonne vidéo, ils ont réussi a résumer nos 8 derniers moisdans une vidéo
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Bonne vidéo, ils ont réussi a résumer nos 8 derniers moisdans une vidéo
Translation: Good video; they succeeded in putting together the results of our 8 month investigation in a video.
I agree!
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Bonne vidéo avec un bon résumé, ils ont en plus reprit mon indice de l'arbre qui disparaît :D
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Bonne vidéo avec un bon résumé, ils ont en plus reprit mon indice de l'arbre qui disparaît :D
L'arbre est bien sur les 2 plans c'est juste une question d'angle :? J'ai bien vérifié et j'ai pas trouvé d'arbres manquants. Si on tient compte, de la hauteur, de l'angle et de la profondeur de champs, l'arbre est en fait bien plus loin et décalé sur la gauche.
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Bonne vidéo avec un bon résumé, ils ont en plus reprit mon indice de l'arbre qui disparaît :D
L'arbre est bien sur les 2 plans c'est juste une question d'angle :? J'ai bien vérifié et j'ai pas trouvé d'arbres manquants. Si on tient compte, de la hauteur, de l'angle et de la profondeur de champs, l'arbre est en fait bien plus loin et décalé sur la gauche.
in the video it does not mean the tree
but roads that appear and disappear! 8-) 8-)
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Bonne vidéo avec un bon résumé, ils ont en plus reprit mon indice de l'arbre qui disparaît :D
L'arbre est bien sur les 2 plans c'est juste une question d'angle :? J'ai bien vérifié et j'ai pas trouvé d'arbres manquants. Si on tient compte, de la hauteur, de l'angle et de la profondeur de champs, l'arbre est en fait bien plus loin et décalé sur la gauche.
in the video it does not mean the tree
but roads that appear and disappear! 8-) 8-)
Yes but there was also this tree problem. maybe It's the same problem with the road. You can see it on an image but it is more far than we think and we cannot see it on other images. If I had time I would check this...but i'm sure it's only a problem of different position of the 2 camera.
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Bonne vidéo avec un bon résumé, ils ont en plus reprit mon indice de l'arbre qui disparaît :D
L'arbre est bien sur les 2 plans c'est juste une question d'angle :? J'ai bien vérifié et j'ai pas trouvé d'arbres manquants. Si on tient compte, de la hauteur, de l'angle et de la profondeur de champs, l'arbre est en fait bien plus loin et décalé sur la gauche.
On parle bien du même arbre qui disparait ?
Parce que les arrières plans sont parfois trompeur mais là je veux bien que tu m'expliques où devrait être l'arbre sur la dernière image selon toi... :ugeek:
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1170/mjfuneralmysterioustree.jpg)
(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1170/mjfuneralmysterioustree.jpg)
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9386/mjfuneralmysterioustreef.jpg)
Topic : viewtopic.php?f=43&t=3546 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=3546)
J'ai bien regardé et re-regardé à nouveau, d'après les 2 première captures, l'arbre est à peu près aligné à la poubelle grise et le plan de la dernière image est assez éloigné pour se rendre compte qu'il n'y est pas. Si il était plus loin qu'il en a l'air, il ne serait pas visible sur les 2 première capture...
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Bonne vidéo avec un bon résumé, ils ont en plus reprit mon indice de l'arbre qui disparaît :D
L'arbre est bien sur les 2 plans c'est juste une question d'angle :? J'ai bien vérifié et j'ai pas trouvé d'arbres manquants. Si on tient compte, de la hauteur, de l'angle et de la profondeur de champs, l'arbre est en fait bien plus loin et décalé sur la gauche.
On parle bien du même arbre qui disparait ?
Parce que les arrières plans sont parfois trompeur mais là je veux bien que tu m'expliques où devrait être l'arbre sur la dernière image selon toi... :ugeek:
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1170/mjfuneralmysterioustree.jpg)
(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1170/mjfuneralmysterioustree.jpg)
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9386/mjfuneralmysterioustreef.jpg)
Topic : viewtopic.php?f=43&t=3546 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=3546)
J'ai bien regardé et re-regardé à nouveau, d'après les 2 première captures, l'arbre est à peu près aligné à la poubelle grise et le plan de la dernière image est assez éloigné pour se rendre compte qu'il n'y est pas. Si il était plus loin qu'il en a l'air, il ne serait pas visible sur les 2 première capture...
N'oublie pas que tu es sur une vue de DESSUS. Donc on cherche plus un paquet de branches, que un tronc...et moi je vois bien des branches, il faudrait que je retrouve la photo. mais en fait il est plus bas, après la bordure. Je me souviens d'une photo plus nette où on voyait les branchages, qui laissaient supposer que l'arbre était bien là mais le tronc était hors champs. je cherche depuis tout à l'heure mais je trouve pas l'image sur le net.
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http://static.open.salon.com/files/fore ... 354547.jpg (http://static.open.salon.com/files/forest_lawn1261354547.jpg)
voila une image où tu peux voir l'arbre en biais, et en haut à gauche, tu as le début des branches du fameux "arbre" manquant. Comme c'est sur la vidéo de la famille Jackson qu'on le voit, et que c'est seulement sur la video de la télévision qu'il n'apparait pas...j'en déduis que cet arbre existe bien, s'il apparait sur des photos de Forest lawn non liées à MJ.
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http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0bh ... e/610x.jpg (http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0bh78Xy8gl1le/610x.jpg)
another picture where you can see the "missing tree"
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Attention, je ne dis pas que l'arbre n'existe pas !
Il existe bien, il serait seulement "mal positionné" sur la vidéo des jacksons par rapport à la réalité :ugeek:
I don't clamed that the tree doesn't exist. It exists but it is not at the right place in the jackson recording compared to the reality.
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Attention, je ne dis pas que l'arbre n'existe pas !
Il existe bien, il serait seulement "mal positionné" sur la vidéo des jacksons par rapport à la réalité :ugeek:
I don't clamed that the tree doesn't exist. It exists but it is not at the right place in the jackson recording compared to the reality.
Yes but what I mean is that the tree SEEMS to be near, but in fact it's not. It's just an optical stuff.
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Bonne vidéo avec un bon résumé, ils ont en plus reprit mon indice de l'arbre qui disparaît :D
L'arbre est bien sur les 2 plans c'est juste une question d'angle :? J'ai bien vérifié et j'ai pas trouvé d'arbres manquants. Si on tient compte, de la hauteur, de l'angle et de la profondeur de champs, l'arbre est en fait bien plus loin et décalé sur la gauche.
On parle bien du même arbre qui disparait ?
Parce que les arrières plans sont parfois trompeur mais là je veux bien que tu m'expliques où devrait être l'arbre sur la dernière image selon toi... :ugeek:
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1170/mjfuneralmysterioustree.jpg)
(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1170/mjfuneralmysterioustree.jpg)
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9386/mjfuneralmysterioustreef.jpg)
Topic : viewtopic.php?f=43&t=3546 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=3546)
J'ai bien regardé et re-regardé à nouveau, d'après les 2 première captures, l'arbre est à peu près aligné à la poubelle grise et le plan de la dernière image est assez éloigné pour se rendre compte qu'il n'y est pas. Si il était plus loin qu'il en a l'air, il ne serait pas visible sur les 2 première capture...
N'oublie pas que tu es sur une vue de DESSUS. Donc on cherche plus un paquet de branches, que un tronc...et moi je vois bien des branches, il faudrait que je retrouve la photo. mais en fait il est plus bas, après la bordure. Je me souviens d'une photo plus nette où on voyait les branchages, qui laissaient supposer que l'arbre était bien là mais le tronc était hors champs. je cherche depuis tout à l'heure mais je trouve pas l'image sur le net.
Bien sur que j'y ai pensé, mais là je ne vois ni feuillage ni tronc, alors qu'on voit bien celui du premier arbre...
Et il ne peut pas être après la bordure, même si l'ont peut mettre en doute la profondeur de champs. Pour moi il devrait se situer au bout de la flèche "where is the second tree ?"
Ce que je trouve d'étrange d'ailleur sur la 2e capture c'est la netteté de l'arbre qui semble meilleure que les 2 personnes bavardant alors que celles-ci sont plus prochent de la caméra et alors que la mise au point est faite sur les spectateurs au premier plan... Admet que c'est louche :geek:
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Alors moi le tronc je le vois pas à l'endroit de la flèche mais en haut de la photo, hors champs.
Je sui ok pour la bizzarerie sur la netteté sur les différents plans. Mais si tu as regardé les photos de forest lawn que j'ai mis, tu verras qu'il y a bien un arbre. Et on ne le voit pas sur les plans des caméras de télévision.
Pourquoi la famille Jackson s'amuserait à faire un fake d'un arbre qui existe "vraiment" :roll: Si on le voyait sur la caméra de télé et sur forest lawn, et qu'on le voyait pas sur la video jackson, là je me poserais des questions...
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Je recommence :
- si fond vert il y a, alors il y a des chances que l'on trouve des incohérences entre le paysage réel (caméra tv) et l'enregistrement des jackson
- il se trouve pour ma part qu'un arbre sur l'enregistrement des jacksons apparait juste a coté des poubelles alors qu'en réalité il devrait etre bien plus loin. D'ailleurs si il etait aussi loin qu'on le prétend sur l'enregistremen des jacksons, il serait plus flou que les personnes discutant juste devant.
- il y a donc une incohérence pour moi, les scènes ne se sont pas déroulées au même moment / endroit