Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: Lady J on March 04, 2010, 03:12:21 AM
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Ejacobs over at MJJC writes:
As always on the 3rd of the month, myself and members of our Michael Jackson fans of southern California took our trip to Visit the Grave of Michael Jackson. We bring cards, letters and gifts from fans around the world. We have been doing this for the last 6 months. Some fans from this site have joined us and many have sent flowers and cards.
Today, like any other 3rd we were at Forest Lawn, when one in the group noticed Debbie Rowe driving back and forth. At first we thought he must be seeing things but then she drove up and we were surprised it was really her. Heidi and myself the group founders walked to the car to welcome and introduce ourselves.
What we were faced with was a woman who was in great pain. The moment she stepped out of the car She began to cry and gave us amazing hugs. After spending some time with Debbie today..we realized two things, she is devastated by the death of her former husband Michael Jackson..and she loved him more than we ever imagined. She is a grieving woman who loved MJ and her children. The second thing we learned is that, she is a kind and lovely woman.
When we asked Her why she was driving back and forth, and this broke my heart..she said she was afraid to stop because she saw us all there and was afraid to stop, she thought that Michael's fans hated her because of all the hate mail she receives. We assured her there was no hate for her with us only gratitude for giving Michael two of the three most precious gifts of his life.
Debbie Rowe was a friend to Michael Jackson for nearly 20 yrs before they married and she is the mother of his two lovely children, Prince and Paris. Let me tell you..looking at her, you see Paris everywhere. I hope that fans will be kind when it comes to her because if you had seen what we saw today...she is a really special person.
We gave her one of our new JUSTICE4MJ tee shirts and she said she would ware it. We have pictures of the visit which will be on our site soon. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wal ... 4254322849 (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&a...id=324254322849)
justice4mj.com
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This is so painful to read. I can´t even imagine Debbie Rowe like that. This is heartbreaking. :cry: Come on guys, I don´t think she would visit FL if he wasn´t dead. :cry:
My day is over... :cry:
btw. In the topic I have written : Lawen, but I mean Lawn! Sorry.
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(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs482.ash1/26409_340540249203_615679203_3394288_7653331_n.jpg)
(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs482.ash1/26409_340660749203_615679203_3394706_3046520_n.jpg)
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(http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/tears/t2354.gif)
I have been wanting to write to her for quite a long time now, to thank her for being someone good in Michael's life. I just don't know where to write to.
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Those pictures are heart breaking.
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This is really sad. But if MJ did hoax his death, would she be in the loop? I'm not so sure about that. I think the only people who would know, would be the people helping him, his kids, his family & a few friends, very few. Otherwise, there'd be too many people who could use it against him or expose the whole thing. I don't know, these pics are heartbreaking though, she seems like she really did love him but then again didn't she testify AGAINST him in the molestation trial & she tried to get custody & take the kids away from him at one point?
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Oh my...... :cry: :cry:
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Hmmm i think Debbie would know about the hoax cause i think she will still be talking to her kids.
I think this is it people. We have to accept that Michael is dead.
God has given the world an angel and the world abused the angel. Now God took his angel back.
Farewell Michael... rest in peace :cry:
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This is really sad. But if MJ did hoax his death, would she be in the loop? I'm not so sure about that. I think the only people who would know, would be the people helping him, his kids, his family & a few friends, very few. Otherwise, there'd be too many people who could use it against him or expose the whole thing. I don't know, these pics are heartbreaking though, she seems like she really did love him but then again didn't she testify AGAINST him in the molestation trial & she tried to get custody & take the kids away from him at one point?
no she was there for him, many people thought that she was there to go agence him but she wasn't
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I don't see why she would know about the hoax. She hasn't been a part of his life in years.
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This is really sad. But if MJ did hoax his death, would she be in the loop? I'm not so sure about that. I think the only people who would know, would be the people helping him, his kids, his family & a few friends, very few. Otherwise, there'd be too many people who could use it against him or expose the whole thing. I don't know, these pics are heartbreaking though, she seems like she really did love him but then again didn't she testify AGAINST him in the molestation trial & she tried to get custody & take the kids away from him at one point?
no she was there for him, many people thought that she was there to go agence him but she wasn't
Debbie was a witness for the prosecution.
Court Transcript April 27 2005: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog/042705.txt (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog/042705.txt)
Court Transcript April 28 2005: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog/042805.txt (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog/042805.txt)
I don't see why Debbie would be in the know of the hoax.
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:o :o so This is REALLLY IT ? :shock: :shock: :shock: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Hmmm i think Debbie would know about the hoax cause i think she will still be talking to her kids.
I think this is it people. We have to accept that Michael is dead.
God has given the world an angel and the world abused the angel. Now God took his angel back.
Farewell Michael... rest in peace :cry:
This why I distrust in God.
Sure Michael was abused but God taken him too soon. WAY TOO SOON!!!
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She is not into the hoax...... of course she will think he is dead!
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
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OMG, I don´t like it :? :(
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Hmmm i think Debbie would know about the hoax cause i think she will still be talking to her kids.
I think this is it people. We have to accept that Michael is dead.
God has given the world an angel and the world abused the angel. Now God took his angel back.
Farewell Michael... rest in peace :cry:
This why I distrust in God.
Sure Michael was abused but God taken him too soon. WAY TOO SOON!!!
:?: :?: :?: :?: Why do ppl lose hope so easily!!!!!After all these months of believing we see Debbie crying n tht's it......we throw our hands(N BRAINS) in the air n accept the most convinient scenario.....that he is gone!!!!!! :xAs far as there are clues n loopholes about the 25th of June I will keep on on my current path.....I will BeLIEve!!!!!
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I know she's crying and all but don't let this fool you, Michael is alive 100% so don't lose hope!
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
Amen to that!
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Speaking of beLIEve...Stevanna, Genevieve, Donte & Jaafar all have formspring (it's a site where people can ask you any questions & you answer them. I know they are real because all of their facebooks are verified & that's where they have the links to their formsprings. Anyways, on Jaafar's someone said beLIEve & his reply was...."no". Does he know what that means? He just replies no & nothing else, like he knows what it means.
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
Amen to that!
Praise the Lord - and anyone else who'll listen - agreed wholeheartedly.
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
amen ! i have billy jean on highest volume and dancing on the carpet now ! :)
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Debbie cries and that is heartbreaking to see :( It makes me think "what if we are wrong?" but then I recall the court room wtih toys and that´s enough for me to not lose hope ;)
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Speaking of beLIEve...Stevanna, Genevieve, Donte & Jaafar all have formspring (it's a site where people can ask you any questions & you answer them. I know they are real because all of their facebooks are verified & that's where they have the links to their formsprings. Anyways, on Jaafar's someone said beLIEve & his reply was...."no". Does he know what that means? He just replies no & nothing else, like he knows what it means.
Facebook doesn't have a verification system. They just typed that over there cuz they wanted to. Nonetheless I do believe it's them though.
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Hmmm i think Debbie would know about the hoax cause i think she will still be talking to her kids.
I think this is it people. We have to accept that Michael is dead.
God has given the world an angel and the world abused the angel. Now God took his angel back.
Farewell Michael... rest in peace :cry:
This why I distrust in God.
Sure Michael was abused but God taken him too soon. WAY TOO SOON!!!
:?: :?: :?: :?: Why do ppl lose hope so easily!!!!!After all these months of believing we see Debbie crying n tht's it......we throw our hands(N BRAINS) in the air n accept the most convinient scenario.....that he is gone!!!!!! :xAs far as there are clues n loopholes about the 25th of June I will keep on on my current path.....I will BeLIEve!!!!!
Yeah I agree. I believe Debbie Rowe would play her part in everything just like the rest of the family. She love MJ and if she have to make an appearance and shed some tears in public I think she would do so for his sake. I saw her crying like that when the memorial was taking place but she didn't bother to show up in person. However, she was seen on tv crying outside while it was taking place. If she truly think he's dead and she is mourning then God bless her but I feel otherwise. Last time I saw her out and about on tv she was in a good mood and looked happy even joking around with the camera people. Not trying to sound inconsiderate but I don't feel a great deal of sadness seeing these pics of her. Either way I do believe her intentions are good if she knows something or not. Also to the above statement about your distrust in God because of this, I would encourage you don't let anything ever affect you trusting in God. God allows things to happen for a reason even when we don't understand why.
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Yeah, I know that it doesn't, I'm on facebook. I'm just saying they "verified it" so I believe that it is REALLY them. There are lots of posers out there, but none of those profiles have verified account on them, so I think that's something special that only they do.
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My heart is breaking...OMG! :cry:
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
Amen to that!
Praise the Lord - and anyone else who'll listen - agreed wholeheartedly.
yup. just my thinking. either she's not in on it (which i think) or she was just overwhelmed of the fríendly welcome by the fans there. she was nervous to come out of the car and when she did, she was embraced, all that tension she felt over months - finally gone. i would cry, too, especially with all this circus going on. her every step is monitored, too. so she was just trying to get some peace, and she did. situations like that can cause tears too. if you feel everybody hates you and then find out they don't, that's a big knot that comes loose. considering that, it doesn't even matter if she's would be in on it or not. plus: you can't let everyone in on something as big as this, especially when you know someone loves you this much.
i also think that she still madly loves mj and took some wrong turns cuz it all didn't work out like she imagined. her love was 'rejected', so she had her little 'payback' when she testified, most probably also because she might have started to miss her kids and noticed that this makes her unhappy. it's a big 'gift' to give someone children and know in advance you won't have the happy family lifeb to come along with that. my thinking is that she might have thought it would all change after the kids were born and they would live 'happily efter after'. it didn't; she signed the deal and had to go when the time came. that's some major pain right there. now carry that around with you for 10+ years...and still loving the other one the same. pressure, frustration, depression...the overall loss, it just all came lose in that moment.
don't panic! it's all still good! we're still 'on schedule'! :mrgreen:
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I still think that Michael is alive. debbie looks sad yes, maybe one from the family told her to visit Forest Lawn, so that everybody can see, that hey ! The family do visit Michael.
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I still think that Michael is alive. debbie looks sad yes, maybe one from the family told her to visit Forest Lawn, so that everybody can see, that hey ! The family do visit Michael.
that, too. she gotta show herself, too. since it's all for l.o.v.e. anyway :mrgreen:
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To me the clues are winning from the fact that debbie rowe cries at forrest lawn, but i dont know why she really cries maybe to much emotions to deal with ? I am very emotional to since june 25 2009 ,i cry al the time if something gets just a little to much ...its hard to deal with everything what is going on dont you agree ? i can be wrong offcourse :?
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Hmmm i think Debbie would know about the hoax cause i think she will still be talking to her kids.
I think this is it people. We have to accept that Michael is dead.
God has given the world an angel and the world abused the angel. Now God took his angel back.
Farewell Michael... rest in peace :cry:
This why I distrust in God.
Sure Michael was abused but God taken him too soon. WAY TOO SOON!!!
Please don't distrust God. It's not God's fault what happened, it's man's fault.
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Of course she knows about hoax. Why she chose March 3? She knew fans will be at Lawn that day. It didn't convince me. I need more prooves! After 8 month you start doubting of someones cry? Pff.. Keep hope alive.
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Of course she knows about hoax. Why she chose March 3? She knew fans will be at Lawn that day. It didn't convince me. I need more prooves! After 8 month you start doubting of someones cry? Pff.. Keep hope alive.
I think the same.
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Of course she knows about hoax. Why she chose March 3? She knew fans will be at Lawn that day. It didn't convince me. I need more prooves! After 8 month you start doubting of someones cry? Pff.. Keep hope alive.
I think the same.
Yes, it's the same group of fans that visits every month the third...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7FBcKVaPJw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7FBcKVaPJw)
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I don't know what to think no more. But I've started to think that we're all in a game of someone(s)! Who are these TMZ, and TIAI? All of them are trying hard to convince us that he's alive. Why didn't TMZ showed these pictures? Who are these people and are they paid? TIAI wrote that Michael was going to come back on Halloween but then it was delayed and then they wrote that after Jan. 25th the delay is not going to be that long. But today they redirect a picture of 4th of July celebration! What does it mean? Now they delay the comeback to 4th of July? Why would Michael delay the comeback from 2009 Halloween to 2010 July? He would think that we were suffering a lot by these Murray case, his brothers calling us crazy and Randy's tweets. They all look very real and he would think about us and what we would feel about all of these. There's one more thing that bugs me all the time. I hope this is not disrespectful because that's NOT my intention. And I hope I don't get banned but I have to ask it. Why Souza and Mo created a hoax forum since they're NOT even fans? I appreciate their hard work and read their blogs with a big interest. But still I don't get why random people who are not even fans create a hoax forum and make all these investigations, write detailed long blogs? Are these people TMZ, TIAI, Souza and Mo trying to make us believe that he is alive and if it so why? I don't know you guys but I don't feel good about it no more :(
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Speaking of beLIEve...Stevanna, Genevieve, Donte & Jaafar all have formspring (it's a site where people can ask you any questions & you answer them. I know they are real because all of their facebooks are verified & that's where they have the links to their formsprings. Anyways, on Jaafar's someone said beLIEve & his reply was...."no". Does he know what that means? He just replies no & nothing else, like he knows what it means.
Debbie is very sincere and caring person. She always loved and cared about Michael. She wouldn't fake her greif because IMO there is no hoax. Just because family did not show his body doesn't mean he is alive. And other strange things that happened with everything with MJ's death is nothing strange, just some people jumped in denial and looking for something in everything to support their believe that he is alive. Too bad that all this energy is wasted on something that is not there instead of looking for justice for Michael.
As for Genevieve, her formspring page is here:
http://www.formspring.me/gjackson (http://www.formspring.me/gjackson)
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I have the height of respect for Debbie Rowe, She gave Michael the children he wanted so much & Michael knew he could trust her & to this very day Michael can still trust her... ;)
Of all the people out there speaking about Michael she is not one of them & I believe she truely loves Michael, If I was at F.L I would have given her the biggest hug, We all now have a much bigger insight into the life that Michael had to endure & Debbie was a part of it......
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Speaking of beLIEve...Stevanna, Genevieve, Donte & Jaafar all have formspring (it's a site where people can ask you any questions & you answer them. I know they are real because all of their facebooks are verified & that's where they have the links to their formsprings. Anyways, on Jaafar's someone said beLIEve & his reply was...."no". Does he know what that means? He just replies no & nothing else, like he knows what it means.
Debbie is very sincere and caring person. She always loved and cared about Michael. She wouldn't fake her greif because IMO there is no hoax. Just because family did not show his body doesn't mean he is alive. And other strange things that happened with everything with MJ's death is nothing strange, just some people jumped in denial and looking for something in everything to support their believe that he is alive. Too bad that all this energy is wasted on something that is not there instead of looking for justice for Michael.
As for Genevieve, her formspring page is here:
http://www.formspring.me/gjackson (http://www.formspring.me/gjackson)
Forgive me but if, in your HO there is no hoax, perhaps you should review why you come to this HOAX site. Not meaning to sound rude or anything but if you are suggesting we are in denial, then may I suggest you join those who believe MJ is dead.
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I don't know what to think no more. But I've started to think that we're all in a game of someone(s)! Who are these TMZ, and TIAI? All of them are trying hard to convince us that he's alive. Why didn't TMZ showed these pictures? Who are these people and are they paid? TIAI wrote that Michael was going to come back on Halloween but then it was delayed and then they wrote that after Jan. 25th the delay is not going to be that long. But today they redirect a picture of 4th of July celebration! What does it mean? Now they delay the comeback to 4th of July? Why would Michael delay the comeback from 2009 Halloween to 2010 July? He would think that we were suffering a lot by these Murray case, his brothers calling us crazy and Randy's tweets. They all look very real and he would think about us and what we would feel about all of these. There's one more thing that bugs me all the time. I hope this is not disrespectful because that's NOT my intention. And I hope I don't get banned but I have to ask it. Why Souza and Mo created a hoax forum since they're NOT even fans? I appreciate their hard work and read their blogs with a big interest. But still I don't get why random people who are not even fans create a hoax forum and make all these investigations, write detailed long blogs? Are these people TMZ, TIAI, Souza and Mo trying to make us believe that he is alive and if it so why? I don't know you guys but I don't feel good about it no more :(
I think that there's no need to be a fan to think that this is interesting and want to know the truth, it's like if you wanna know the story of the inquisition, you don't have to be a fan of Torquemada! ;)
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I don't know what to think no more. But I've started to think that we're all in a game of someone(s)! Who are these TMZ, and TIAI? All of them are trying hard to convince us that he's alive. Why didn't TMZ showed these pictures? Who are these people and are they paid? TIAI wrote that Michael was going to come back on Halloween but then it was delayed and then they wrote that after Jan. 25th the delay is not going to be that long. But today they redirect a picture of 4th of July celebration! What does it mean? Now they delay the comeback to 4th of July? Why would Michael delay the comeback from 2009 Halloween to 2010 July? He would think that we were suffering a lot by these Murray case, his brothers calling us crazy and Randy's tweets. They all look very real and he would think about us and what we would feel about all of these. There's one more thing that bugs me all the time. I hope this is not disrespectful because that's NOT my intention. And I hope I don't get banned but I have to ask it. Why Souza and Mo created a hoax forum since they're NOT even fans? I appreciate their hard work and read their blogs with a big interest. But still I don't get why random people who are not even fans create a hoax forum and make all these investigations, write detailed long blogs? Are these people TMZ, TIAI, Souza and Mo trying to make us believe that he is alive and if it so why? I don't know you guys but I don't feel good about it no more :(
I'm sure they get paid for what they doing, their job is to keep this site hot and bring more traffic and more money. That's why they bashing everyone who has different opinion or trying to challenge them with logic to some crazy theories they post.
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I don't believe she's in the hoax. She wanted back into MJ's life and for some reason, Michael didn't let her, so why should she be a part of the fake death??
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Hey guys, today it's the fourth of March, 4+3 = 7...... again the damn nr. 7.
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This is sad sure :( but dont lose hope this is all part of a plan believe me .
MCHAEL IS ALIVE 100 %
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Venus7,
Im just gonna come out and say this. Im REALLY tired of your crap. All you do is continue to berate and mock and belittle people who believe...and your previous post clearly tells me you think MJ is dead. There are other boards for people like you. Please do not post anymore...I believe you have already been warned by Mo and Souza about your negativity, not only towards the hoax but towards other members as well. Every single post of yours that I have read has been nothing but negativity. If you dont like the atmosphere here, then please leave.
Are you like this is everyday life with your friends and family? Do you knock THEM down if they dont agree with something?
I think you have a serious attitude problem.
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MJalive.........you know that this is part of the plan.......HOW...???????
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Speaking of beLIEve...Stevanna, Genevieve, Donte & Jaafar all have formspring (it's a site where people can ask you any questions & you answer them. I know they are real because all of their facebooks are verified & that's where they have the links to their formsprings. Anyways, on Jaafar's someone said beLIEve & his reply was...."no". Does he know what that means? He just replies no & nothing else, like he knows what it means.
Debbie is very sincere and caring person. She always loved and cared about Michael. She wouldn't fake her greif because IMO there is no hoax. Just because family did not show his body doesn't mean he is alive. And other strange things that happened with everything with MJ's death is nothing strange, just some people jumped in denial and looking for something in everything to support their believe that he is alive. Too bad that all this energy is wasted on something that is not there instead of looking for justice for Michael.
As for Genevieve, her formspring page is here:
http://www.formspring.me/gjackson (http://www.formspring.me/gjackson)
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Sorry but I dont understand why you are here.. :roll: when you clearly believe Michael is dead :roll:
I do not understand at all :|
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This is sad sure :( but dont lose hope this is all part of a plan believe me .
MCHAEL IS ALIVE 100 %
I agree with you MICHEL IS ALIVE 100%
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Stop pretending that all of you belive 100% that MJ is alive when all of you have your own doubts, you just affraid to say it loud. Because whoever runs this site are here to brainwash you, you are tools in their hands just to draw more traffic here.
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Keep it up Venus...
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Of course she knows about hoax. Why she chose March 3? She knew fans will be at Lawn that day. It didn't convince me. I need more prooves! After 8 month you start doubting of someones cry? Pff.. Keep hope alive.
Yes . . . I agree! Of all days to choose to visit Forrest Lawn, it's suspicious that she comes on the 3rd of the month when all of MJ's fans also visit. Great photo op! Please guys, don't stop BeLIEving!
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
amen ! i have billy jean on highest volume and dancing on the carpet now ! :)
I think for everyone there is going to be something that is posted that gives them their personal closure. After all there is going to be something that arises that will cause each poster to draw their own conclusions as to when they need to believe MJ is gone & that is perfectly understandable IMO.
Now, insofar as to the "why" debbie would visit even though she knew she could not actually enter the mausoleum, the answer is that it is as close as they can get. I don't find that strange in any way.
Some individuals here have stated they will close their hoax when CM is in jail & some have various other reasons, but as I stated they will be a reason. I'm not sure it matter which reason they choose.
Speaking for myself, I intend to stay until the truth prevails.
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Speaking of beLIEve...Stevanna, Genevieve, Donte & Jaafar all have formspring (it's a site where people can ask you any questions & you answer them. I know they are real because all of their facebooks are verified & that's where they have the links to their formsprings. Anyways, on Jaafar's someone said beLIEve & his reply was...."no". Does he know what that means? He just replies no & nothing else, like he knows what it means.
Debbie is very sincere and caring person. She always loved and cared about Michael. She wouldn't fake her greif because IMO there is no hoax. Just because family did not show his body doesn't mean he is alive. And other strange things that happened with everything with MJ's death is nothing strange, just some people jumped in denial and looking for something in everything to support their believe that he is alive. Too bad that all this energy is wasted on something that is not there instead of looking for justice for Michael.
As for Genevieve, her formspring page is here:
http://www.formspring.me/gjackson (http://www.formspring.me/gjackson)
i´m reading... but i found this in this page you give
When you think about your uncle Michael, what is the first thing that comes to your mind?
how loving he is and how great he is..and how much i miss him, his spirit was wonderful
6 weeks ago
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Of course she knows about hoax. Why she chose March 3? She knew fans will be at Lawn that day. It didn't convince me. I need more prooves! After 8 month you start doubting of someones cry? Pff.. Keep hope alive.
Was just about to post same then saw yours. Absolutely. There's no such thing as coincidences.
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and this...
why dont you answer from anonymous people with BIG questions? is it because you know we know the truth? dm me on twitter
huh lol
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^^^^^^ IS IS IS IS IS IS :D
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Debbie was a witness for the prosecution.
Court Transcript April 27 2005: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog/042705.txt (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog/042705.txt)
Court Transcript April 28 2005: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog/042805.txt (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog/042805.txt)
I don't see why Debbie would be in the know of the hoax. [/quote]
I agree, Mo. Michael always made it clear that he loved Debbie very much and she was a very special friend. However, she already betrayed him during the trial, and even though she is the "mother" of his children she has made it clear that she doesn't want to play the mother role. Not judging her, I think she is a brave person to have children for someone and give them up to him. I'm just saying, I don't think this is reason enough for everyone to give up on the hoax. It seems like people are giving up really easily lately. I know we're all feeling a bit like we belong in the looney bin, and sometimes it's all exhausting, but just remind yourself of all the clues and reasons to still believe. They are still there. And not just for the sake of believing either. For the sake of truth. There is a reason for this entire thing. If something doesn't add up, it simply doesn't add up. It's up to us to not let the media or anyone fool us and keep searching for the truth.
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I just want to put out there that I do not like people critizing and bitching about our admins. I see the way that Mo and Souza try to lift the spirits of people and encourage them when they are overwhelmed and losing heart. They have a big responsibility to people here in that some of us are quite young . If people aren't happy, they don't have to visit this site. I would just ask us to be kind to each other. And especially our admins. They put in a lot of effort and I for one appreciate and love this site. ;)
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I just want to put out there that I do not like people critizing and bitching about our admins. I see the way that Mo and Souza try to lift the spirits of people and encourage them when they are overwhelmed and losing heart. They have a big responsibility to people here in that some of us are quite young . If people aren't happy, they don't have to visit this site. I would just ask us to be kind to each other. And especially our admins. They put in a lot of effort and I for one appreciate and love this site. ;)
Dont worry....I'll let Mo tell you guys the outcome of this particular person....
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It wasn't Debbie's first visit to FL
http://lisaburks.typepad.com/gravehunting/
I felt her body rattle from sobs as she hugged back. Her grief and sorrow moved through me like a knife into my own heart.
This was not her first visit to Forest Lawn she told us, but it was the first time she had been there when fans were present. Having not been invited to Michael's funeral, understandably, personal time at his resting place has helped to fill the void of that experience in some way. :(
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Poor Debbie. This is heartbreaking. I feel for her.
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I don't think that Debbie is in on the hoax,IMO only a few, really a few people are aware of it,though i have no doubt that she loved Michael very much and for Mike she was a good friend, i dont think that Michael would have told her about faking his death,this is not a reason to lose the faith,i believe that he's alive and thats it
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Still it makes me think, wouldn't it be so cruel not to let your kids' mother about the hoax? Maybe they weren't in touch for a long time but still, she's his 2 kids' mother and the one who gave the biggest gift in this world. :|
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There's one more thing that bugs me all the time. I hope this is not disrespectful because that's NOT my intention. And I hope I don't get banned but I have to ask it. Why Souza and Mo created a hoax forum since they're NOT even fans? I appreciate their hard work and read their blogs with a big interest. But still I don't get why random people who are not even fans create a hoax forum and make all these investigations, write detailed long blogs? Are these people TMZ, TIAI, Souza and Mo trying to make us believe that he is alive and if it so why? I don't know you guys but I don't feel good about it no more :(
If you don't feel comfortable here because you think we are deceiving you, then you're free to leave.
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I just read the article on tmz.com. But why this:
The emotional gathering occurred at Forest Lawn Memorial Park -- where a bunch of Michael Jackson fans meet on the third day of every month and bring cards, gifts and letters from fans around the world ... this according to MichaelJacksonHoaxDeath.net.
Turns out Debbie -- Michael's ex-wife -- showed up to Forest Lawn as the meeting was in full swing, and started hugging MJ's fans and crying.
More Michael Jackson
* MichaelJacksonHoaxDeath.net
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0hDz2YwAm (http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0hDz2YwAm)
?? Because this site was their source?
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I just read the article on tmz.com. But why this:
The emotional gathering occurred at Forest Lawn Memorial Park -- where a bunch of Michael Jackson fans meet on the third day of every month and bring cards, gifts and letters from fans around the world ... this according to MichaelJacksonHoaxDeath.net.
Turns out Debbie -- Michael's ex-wife -- showed up to Forest Lawn as the meeting was in full swing, and started hugging MJ's fans and crying.
More Michael Jackson
* MichaelJacksonHoaxDeath.net
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0hDz2YwAm (http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0hDz2YwAm)
?? Because this site was their source?
AH-HA!!!! TMZ is SO busted!!!!!!! They DO read us!!
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There's one more thing that bugs me all the time. I hope this is not disrespectful because that's NOT my intention. And I hope I don't get banned but I have to ask it. Why Souza and Mo created a hoax forum since they're NOT even fans? I appreciate their hard work and read their blogs with a big interest. But still I don't get why random people who are not even fans create a hoax forum and make all these investigations, write detailed long blogs? Are these people TMZ, TIAI, Souza and Mo trying to make us believe that he is alive and if it so why? I don't know you guys but I don't feel good about it no more :(
If you don't feel comfortable here because you think we are deceiving you, then you're free to leave.
Why don't you make a simple explanation instead of telling people to leave? I said that I appreciate your work and so but I was just trying to understand why random people make this forum and all the investigation. Because if I was not a fan I would never ever do such a work. But it's me ofcourse. I was trying to learn your point of view.
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I just read the article on tmz.com. But why this:
The emotional gathering occurred at Forest Lawn Memorial Park -- where a bunch of Michael Jackson fans meet on the third day of every month and bring cards, gifts and letters from fans around the world ... this according to MichaelJacksonHoaxDeath.net.
Turns out Debbie -- Michael's ex-wife -- showed up to Forest Lawn as the meeting was in full swing, and started hugging MJ's fans and crying.
More Michael Jackson
* MichaelJacksonHoaxDeath.net
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0hDz2YwAm (http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0hDz2YwAm)
?? Because this site was their source?
It's weird indeed. Wondering why they mentioned death hoax forum...
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I just read the article on tmz.com. But why this:
The emotional gathering occurred at Forest Lawn Memorial Park -- where a bunch of Michael Jackson fans meet on the third day of every month and bring cards, gifts and letters from fans around the world ... this according to MichaelJacksonHoaxDeath.net.
Turns out Debbie -- Michael's ex-wife -- showed up to Forest Lawn as the meeting was in full swing, and started hugging MJ's fans and crying.
More Michael Jackson
* MichaelJacksonHoaxDeath.net
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0hDz2YwAm (http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0hDz2YwAm)
?? Because this site was their source?
It's weird indeed. Wondering why they mentioned death hoax forum...
If it isn't a hoax, it really doesn't make sense. but IF it's a hoax (what we all know..) it makes sense!
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I can not view TMZ's page. Is there someone else?
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IF SOMEONE SAY ''HE IS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE''
I WILL KICK (WITH L.O.V.E)
TMZ http://bit.ly/93uTOJ (http://bit.ly/93uTOJ)
michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net
WHY NOOOOOT MJJC????? :D :D :D :D
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA WOW I LOVE THIS!!!
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There's one more thing that bugs me all the time. I hope this is not disrespectful because that's NOT my intention. And I hope I don't get banned but I have to ask it. Why Souza and Mo created a hoax forum since they're NOT even fans? I appreciate their hard work and read their blogs with a big interest. But still I don't get why random people who are not even fans create a hoax forum and make all these investigations, write detailed long blogs? Are these people TMZ, TIAI, Souza and Mo trying to make us believe that he is alive and if it so why? I don't know you guys but I don't feel good about it no more :(
If you don't feel comfortable here because you think we are deceiving you, then you're free to leave.
Why don't you make a simple explanation instead of telling people to leave? I said that I appreciate your work and so but I was just trying to understand why random people make this forum and all the investigation. Because if I was not a fan I would never ever do such a work. But it's me ofcourse. I was trying to learn your point of view.
First of all - why do we have to be fans to investigate this hoax...? I really don't understand why that is a requirement to be interested in this whole matter. Second - we have explained this several times already, but here we go again:
We are not fans, so what are we doing here?
We are not here to find him.
We are here to speak up for someone that can't speak up for himself now.
We are here to report all the shit that the mainstream media has ignored or mis reported.
We are here to support someone that needs support.
We are here to give members a platform to discuss this matter.
We are here for him and we will defend him to the bone, whether you want to believe it or not.
If you want to reply to my post, then please do it through PM. I don't think this thread is the appropriate place to have this conversation.
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Stop pretending that all of you belive 100% that MJ is alive when all of you have your own doubts, you just affraid to say it loud. Because whoever runs this site are here to brainwash you, you are tools in their hands just to draw more traffic here.
I agree. As much as we wish our hero to be alive and OK, we don't know for sure that he is. If we'd know Michael indeed hoaxed his death, we wouldn't need this website.
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uum.. DUUHHH.. IF SHE DOESNT KNOW ABOUT THE HOAX.. OF COURSE SHE'S GONNA GO TO FL TO VISITE HIM AND SHE'S GONNA CRY HER EYES OUT..!!
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There's one more thing that bugs me all the time. I hope this is not disrespectful because that's NOT my intention. And I hope I don't get banned but I have to ask it. Why Souza and Mo created a hoax forum since they're NOT even fans? I appreciate their hard work and read their blogs with a big interest. But still I don't get why random people who are not even fans create a hoax forum and make all these investigations, write detailed long blogs? Are these people TMZ, TIAI, Souza and Mo trying to make us believe that he is alive and if it so why? I don't know you guys but I don't feel good about it no more :(
If you don't feel comfortable here because you think we are deceiving you, then you're free to leave.
Why don't you make a simple explanation instead of telling people to leave? I said that I appreciate your work and so but I was just trying to understand why random people make this forum and all the investigation. Because if I was not a fan I would never ever do such a work. But it's me ofcourse. I was trying to learn your point of view.
First of all - why do we have to be fans to investigate this hoax...? I really don't understand why that is a requirement to be interested in this whole matter. Second - we have explained this several times already, but here we go again:
We are not fans, so what are we doing here?
We are not here to find him.
We are here to speak up for someone that can't speak up for himself now.
We are here to report all the shit that the mainstream media has ignored or mis reported.
We are here to support someone that needs support.
We are here to give members a platform to discuss this matter.
We are here for him and we will defend him to the bone, whether you want to believe it or not.
If you want to reply to my post, then please do it through PM. I don't think this thread is the appropriate place to have this conversation.
Thank you. This is all I was asking. Thanx for replying.
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I am really curious as to why people come to an obvious hoax site to stay if they obviously don't believe in the hoax. Please, please sisters/brothers of L.O.V.E., stop trying to bury MJ alive over this paltry evidence. One Love.
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There's one more thing that bugs me all the time. I hope this is not disrespectful because that's NOT my intention. And I hope I don't get banned but I have to ask it. Why Souza and Mo created a hoax forum since they're NOT even fans? I appreciate their hard work and read their blogs with a big interest. But still I don't get why random people who are not even fans create a hoax forum and make all these investigations, write detailed long blogs? Are these people TMZ, TIAI, Souza and Mo trying to make us believe that he is alive and if it so why? I don't know you guys but I don't feel good about it no more :(
If you don't feel comfortable here because you think we are deceiving you, then you're free to leave.
Why don't you make a simple explanation instead of telling people to leave? I said that I appreciate your work and so but I was just trying to understand why random people make this forum and all the investigation. Because if I was not a fan I would never ever do such a work. But it's me ofcourse. I was trying to learn your point of view.
I'm not trying to speak for someone else, but to my you don't have to be a fan to be here, to investigate. Everyone closely following the news can see all the conflicting stories, all the inaccuracies... You don't have to be a fan to smell the hoax.
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I think its strange that if Deb goes to see MJ's fake grave and TMZ knows about our existance, and TMZ is always the first to know everything, then WHY havent THEY ever taken a pic of Deb at Forrest Lawn? They rely on fan pics?Same thing with Karen Fay...she took pics of inside the mausoleum and she sold them to TMZ. I know TMZ would not be allowed in to see MJ but no one has a pic of Karen at FL either do they? Or the family...
Why doesnt anyone ever have any pics of these people going to see MJ? If TMZ are so up on their news and the first ones to report anything....I find it odd that they have to rely on other peoples photos......
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There's one more thing that bugs me all the time. I hope this is not disrespectful because that's NOT my intention. And I hope I don't get banned but I have to ask it. Why Souza and Mo created a hoax forum since they're NOT even fans? I appreciate their hard work and read their blogs with a big interest. But still I don't get why random people who are not even fans create a hoax forum and make all these investigations, write detailed long blogs? Are these people TMZ, TIAI, Souza and Mo trying to make us believe that he is alive and if it so why? I don't know you guys but I don't feel good about it no more :(
If you don't feel comfortable here because you think we are deceiving you, then you're free to leave.
Why don't you make a simple explanation instead of telling people to leave? I said that I appreciate your work and so but I was just trying to understand why random people make this forum and all the investigation. Because if I was not a fan I would never ever do such a work. But it's me ofcourse. I was trying to learn your point of view.
I'm not trying to speak for someone else, but to my you don't have to be a fan to be here, to investigate. Everyone closely following the news can see all the conflicting stories, all the inaccuracies... You don't have to be a fan to smell the hoax.
Yes, I understand. Everybody has an opinion. I wouldn't do it if I wasn't a fan. But you would do it, Souza and Mo do it. I wasn't trying to be mean to them. I was just trying to learn their reasons and Mo answered my question. No need to talk about it no more. It gets off-topic. ;)
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ok, the site mentioned in TMZ is over capacity... error 505...i hope a lot of people take a look on this site and wake up! ;)
i this is not a hoax why they´re are looking this sites???
i think that debbie knows about the fans being there and know that they will take this pictures and publishing on the net and.... who knows what is the real meaning of all this??? :roll:
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I think its strange that if Deb goes to see MJ's fake grave and TMZ knows about our existance, and TMZ is always the first to know everything, then WHY havent THEY ever taken a pic of Deb at Forrest Lawn? They rely on fan pics?Same thing with Karen Fay...she took pics of inside the mausoleum and she sold them to TMZ. I know TMZ would not be allowed in to see MJ but no one has a pic of Karen at FL either do they? Or the family...
Why doesnt anyone ever have any pics of these people going to see MJ? If TMZ are so up on their news and the first ones to report anything....I find it odd that they have to rely on other peoples photos......
And isn't that interesting TMZ posted it just after we started to talk why TMZ didn't have any news about this thing?
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I think its strange that if Deb goes to see MJ's fake grave and TMZ knows about our existance, and TMZ is always the first to know everything, then WHY havent THEY ever taken a pic of Deb at Forrest Lawn? They rely on fan pics?Same thing with Karen Fay...she took pics of inside the mausoleum and she sold them to TMZ. I know TMZ would not be allowed in to see MJ but no one has a pic of Karen at FL either do they? Or the family...
Why doesnt anyone ever have any pics of these people going to see MJ? If TMZ are so up on their news and the first ones to report anything....I find it odd that they have to rely on other peoples photos......
And isn't that interesting TMZ posted it just after we started to talk why TMZ didn't have any news about this thing?
Maybe we should secretly come up with some fake news to see if TMZ buys it. If they do, they read us and rely on us, if they don't - well, then they might actually know something.
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Maybe is a possibility that Debbie made amends with MJ just before he started the hoax?? and very likely she's in it, at the end she's the mum of his two oldest kids and as far as I know she sees them often. And of course she's playing her part in front of fans for MJ's sake, she would do that for him and the kids, the same way she did that video saying how a great person he is. She's always been in love with him and gave him his two precious oldest kids.
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I can't believe they actually mentioned MichaelJacksonDeathHoax! !This is weird ....
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perhaps she isnt happy with the stun gun incident, the jackson's are opening the door for her to try and fight for those kids.
I think thats why she went to forrest lawn yesterday, would not be upset if you found out that possibly
prince was tased (according to friedman) and jermaine was saying its ok he bought the stun gun for me?
wasnt she suppose to get visits???
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I think its strange that if Deb goes to see MJ's fake grave and TMZ knows about our existance, and TMZ is always the first to know everything, then WHY havent THEY ever taken a pic of Deb at Forrest Lawn? They rely on fan pics?Same thing with Karen Fay...she took pics of inside the mausoleum and she sold them to TMZ. I know TMZ would not be allowed in to see MJ but no one has a pic of Karen at FL either do they? Or the family...
Why doesnt anyone ever have any pics of these people going to see MJ? If TMZ are so up on their news and the first ones to report anything....I find it odd that they have to rely on other peoples photos......
And isn't that interesting TMZ posted it just after we started to talk why TMZ didn't have any news about this thing?
Maybe we should secretly come up with some fake news to see if TMZ buys it. If they do, they read us and rely on us, if they don't - well, then they might actually know something.
Well in that case I hope they don't read this ..LOL..
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ok, the site mentioned in TMZ is over capacity... error 505...i hope a lot of people take a look on this site and wake up! ;)
i this is not a hoax why they´re are looking this sites???
i think that debbie knows about the fans being there and know that they will take this pictures and publishing on the net and.... who knows what is the real meaning of all this??? :roll:
You know what else is weird? The fact that she supposedly said to the fan that she was scared to get outof her truck cus she has gotten lots of hatemail.
funny, she had absolutely no problem confronting a photog and almost kicking his ass, but she was scared of a few fans??????
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I wonder if TMZ stole those pics of her at FL or the fan sold them to tmz....
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thinking the same thing
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ok, the site mentioned in TMZ is over capacity... error 505...i hope a lot of people take a look on this site and wake up! ;)
i this is not a hoax why they´re are looking this sites???
i think that debbie knows about the fans being there and know that they will take this pictures and publishing on the net and.... who knows what is the real meaning of all this??? :roll:
You know what else is weird? The fact that she supposedly said to the fan that she was scared to get outof her truck cus she has gotten lots of hatemail.
funny, she had absolutely no problem confronting a photog and almost kicking his ass, but she was scared of a few fans??????
yes... all is weird!
maybe she was afraid of the reaction of the fans but i think that someone else was asking her this favor, to went there and let the fans take pictures, and all this... you know... maybe someone who want to distract the attention on the family... or like one of the brothers say: family reunion!
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I wonder if TMZ stole those pics of her at FL or the fan sold them to tmz....
Also thinking the same thing
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HI MO U SOUND RIGHT. I DON'T GET WHY PEOPLE JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS FOR SUCH A COUNTER THING THROWN TO US TO MAKE US TO SWALLOW THE MURDER THING. WHAT WAS DEBBIE DOING ALL THESE DAYS ? NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN SHE VISITS M.J. GRAVE N WEEPS OUT N THAT TOO IN PRESENCE OF FANS... SHE HAS DONE THIS TO MAKE US SWALLOW THAT MJ IS NO MORE N HE IS DEAD. WE R BEING WATCHED BY M.J CAMP N TMZ. WHAT EVER IS BEING PUT UP HERE IS BEING COUNTERED BY SOME. ANY ONE CAN SURF THE SITE WHO KNOWS...
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
HI MO U SOUND RIGHT. I DON'T GET WHY PEOPLE JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS FOR SUCH A COUNTER THING THROWN TO US TO MAKE US TO SWALLOW THE MURDER THING. WHAT WAS DEBBIE DOING ALL THESE DAYS ? NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN SHE VISITS M.J. GRAVE N WEEPS OUT N THAT TOO IN PRESENCE OF FANS... SHE HAS DONE THIS TO MAKE US SWALLOW THAT MJ IS NO MORE N HE IS DEAD. WE R BEING WATCHED BY M.J CAMP N TMZ. WHAT EVER IS BEING PUT UP HERE IS BEING COUNTERED BY SOME. ANY ONE CAN SURF THE SITE WHO KNOWS...
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Wounder if TMZ is member on this forum.. hmm.. and wounder if MJ is a member . wounder witch name mj would choose ? 8-)
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Wounder if TMZ is member on this forum.. hmm.. and wounder if MJ is a member . wounder witch name mj would choose ? 8-)
YEAH ANYONE CAN DO THAT... IT IS SIMPLE .
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Wounder if TMZ is member on this forum.. hmm.. and wounder if MJ is a member . wounder witch name mj would choose ? 8-)
I wonder that too ;)
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
Her pain looks real.
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
Her pain looks real.
Im pretty sure she doesnt know anythin about the hoax.. so.. of course shes gonna go to FL and of course shes gonna cry her eyes out..!!
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
Her pain looks real.
Im pretty sure she doesnt know anythin about the hoax.. so.. of course shes gonna go to FL and of course shes gonna cry her eyes out..!!
Michael haven't have contact with her in years, so why let her in inside the HOAX ? just my 2 cents..
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HELLO GUYS.WELL THIS DONT BRING ME DOWN.DEBBIE ROWE IS VISITING F.L.AND HIS OWN MOTHER NEVER DID??MAKES NO SENCE RIGHT!
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
Her pain looks real.
I think her tears are real but not of the pain. I think it's another reason for that.
Wounder if TMZ is member on this forum.. hmm.. and wounder if MJ is a member . wounder witch name mj would choose ? 8-)
I wonder that too ;)
They don't need to be a member to read all things here. I'm sure they know and read hoax forums but just that and not posting here.
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Ive always liked Debbie Rowe. Ive always believed she loved Michael deeply... and when Michael asked her to give him children, she accepted because she wanted to PLEASE him.
Yes she was a surrogate, and i think Michael loved her as a person but not in a romantic way. This must have hurt Debbie who wanted more, but she settled for being his surrogate and giving him children.
Yes she was paid, but that was the pay off Michael chose to give her in exchange for those children.
I dont think we should judge her, as how do we know how we would have reacted in her situation? Love is blind and we would do anything for those we love.
Ive never heard Debbie slag off Michael in any way. I think she has been hurt by Michael, due to her deep love for him.
Its hard to see those pictures because i can only imagine her pain and sorrow.
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BUT... i think it is either a co-incidence, or very good timing that she should turn up today... the day after the big contreversy at Encino house regarding the children...
is this the start of those children being removed and going back to Debbie???
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HELLO GUYS.WELL THIS DONT BRING ME DOWN.DEBBIE ROWE IS VISITING F.L.AND HIS OWN MOTHER NEVER DID??MAKES NO SENCE RIGHT!
uhoh why do i have the feeling we r gonna see pics of katherine there now :roll:
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HELLO GUYS.WELL THIS DONT BRING ME DOWN.DEBBIE ROWE IS VISITING F.L.AND HIS OWN MOTHER NEVER DID??MAKES NO SENCE RIGHT!
uhoh why do i have the feeling we r gonna see pics of katherine there now :roll:
we probaly will, they have to keep the circus going, right ? :D
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Wounder if TMZ is member on this forum.. hmm.. and wounder if MJ is a member . wounder witch name mj would choose ? 8-)
I wonder that too ;)
THE JACKSONOLOGIST maybe?
KIDDING!!!!! I am NOT mj,.
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OK... ive just been on TMZ.. why are they quoting a HOAX site as their source???
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Wounder if TMZ is member on this forum.. hmm.. and wounder if MJ is a member . wounder witch name mj would choose ? 8-)
I wonder that too ;)
THE JACKSONOLOGIST maybe?
KIDDING!!!!! I am NOT mj,.
mmm.. you r my first suspect right now..!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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OK... ive just been on TMZ.. why are they quoting a HOAX site as their source???
and what is gonna happen if non-believers enter to that page ??!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
that would b awesome :D
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OK... ive just been on TMZ.. why are they quoting a HOAX site as their source???
and what is gonna happen if non-believers enter to that page ??!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
that would b awesome :D
cause the pics of Debbie was first posted on this hoaxside.
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OK... ive just been on TMZ.. why are they quoting a HOAX site as their source???
and what is gonna happen if non-believers enter to that page ??!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
that would b awesome :D
cause the pics of Debbie was first posted on this hoaxside.
No they were not. They were posted on Facebook on the "fans of california page"
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Ive always liked Debbie Rowe. Ive always believed she loved Michael deeply... and when Michael asked her to give him children, she accepted because she wanted to PLEASE him.
Yes she was a surrogate, and i think Michael loved her as a person but not in a romantic way. This must have hurt Debbie who wanted more, but she settled for being his surrogate and giving him children.
Yes she was paid, but that was the pay off Michael chose to give her in exchange for those children.
I dont think we should judge her, as how do we know how we would have reacted in her situation? Love is blind and we would do anything for those we love.
Ive never heard Debbie slag off Michael in any way. I think she has been hurt by Michael, due to her deep love for him.
Its hard to see those pictures because i can only imagine her pain and sorrow.
MJ didnt ask her to give him kids...she did. In fact she pestered him until he said yes. I heard her say it out of her own mouth. I cant find the vid of her saying it, but she did.
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OK... ive just been on TMZ.. why are they quoting a HOAX site as their source???
and what is gonna happen if non-believers enter to that page ??!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
that would b awesome :D
cause the pics of Debbie was first posted on this hoaxside.
No they were not. They were posted on Facebook on the "fans of california page"
Oh, yes I forgot ;) Sorry. I saw them on the other hoax site, that's why. My head is really confused today.
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OK... ive just been on TMZ.. why are they quoting a HOAX site as their source???
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As always posted under
"CELEBRITY JUSTICE"
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Sorry but after all the evidence we have seen Debbie Rowe crying isn't enough to convince me that Michael is gone. Why did she pick a day when fans were there? Whether she's in on the hoax or not she has to show herself. She is the mother of Prince and Paris.
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mm.. idk why..
but she's crying like if michael died yesterday :lol:
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I feel sad to see her crying like that. :(
From her interviews she seems like a tough woman, so I imagine it would take quite a bit to make her cry.
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mm.. idk why..
but she's crying like if michael died yesterday :lol:
Well when i think of MJ dead in that coffin, i still cry too.
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Ive always liked Debbie Rowe. Ive always believed she loved Michael deeply... and when Michael asked her to give him children, she accepted because she wanted to PLEASE him.
Yes she was a surrogate, and i think Michael loved her as a person but not in a romantic way. This must have hurt Debbie who wanted more, but she settled for being his surrogate and giving him children.
Yes she was paid, but that was the pay off Michael chose to give her in exchange for those children.
I dont think we should judge her, as how do we know how we would have reacted in her situation? Love is blind and we would do anything for those we love.
Ive never heard Debbie slag off Michael in any way. I think she has been hurt by Michael, due to her deep love for him.
Its hard to see those pictures because i can only imagine her pain and sorrow.
MJ didnt ask her to give him kids...she did. In fact she pestered him until he said yes. I heard her say it out of her own mouth. I cant find the vid of her saying it, but she did.
Well we all should consider the option, that WE don't know what EXACTLY happened between them. And we never will.
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...sorry guys!! but don't you think this is a HUGE clue?????
TMZ is reveling its contacts with the hoax!!!!
Just below the picture of debby rowe,you can read HOAXDEATHFORUM.net as source..
This is the best evidence Tmz should have given for making us understand they are connected with the hoax!!!!!
I think this is BIIIIIGGG!!!!
ANd close to the BAM!
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mm.. idk why..
but she's crying like if michael died yesterday :lol:
Well when i think of MJ dead in that coffin, i still cry too.
But do you cry in such a desperate way ???
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mm.. idk why..
but she's crying like if michael died yesterday :lol:
Well when i think of MJ dead in that coffin, i still cry too.
But do you cry in such a desperate way ???
She knew Michael for real, unlike us. She wanted to get back into his life, but couldn't and the only chance for her to see him now is to visit his tomb. Even thinking about it hurts like hell, her feelings are all normal. She does seem like a tough woman, but what if it's because she's kept her feelings all bottled up inside?
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I find this devestating, and I hope she is in on it. But, I actually don't think so.
What if he's really gone. I can not accept it. He was the best man to walk the face of the planet.
I just need him to breathe, somewhere. Michael! Please don't be gone!
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
I'm with Mo on this one. The fact that Debbie was at FL today does not worry me. I doubt that she is in on the hoax.
Don't allow this to make you give up. The inconsistencies and odd behaviour over the last 8 months still far outweigh the events of today. ;)
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
I'm with Mo on this one. The fact that Debbie was at FL today does not worry me. I doubt that she is in on the hoax.
Don't allow this to make you give up. The inconsistencies and odd behaviour over the last 8 months still far outweigh the events of today. ;)
WORD!! Don't lose hope, just when you see pictures like this.
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am i reading it right? Did tmz say according to michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com!!!! clue guys ;)
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OK... ive just been on TMZ.. why are they quoting a HOAX site as their source???
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Okay...so, this is weird! Is this the revealing of TMZ being involved in that whole "adventure"????? :shock:
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am i reading it right? Did tmz say according to michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com!!!! clue guys ;)
its actually michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.NET but.. of course its a clue
that shows that TMZ knows about the hoax.. even that they're not in it
they know about the existance of the website
idk why ppl is so skeptical with this..
DR its not into the hoax.. of course she'll go to FL and of course shes gonna cry her eyes out
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i agree pain for other reasons thasks debbie for ur kindness im glad fans were nice to her he will be pleased as i think they are still friends i think shes in on hoax remember the sudden agreement on katherine having the kids? tmz revealed as being in on hoax now remember kenny piece by piece by piece by piece mj is revealed (clue by clue by clue by clue) we just got another!!! and its the 4th today 1st week march news in coming thanks court calenders lol!! :lol:
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yep... she is not in the HOAX!!
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
Her pain looks real.
I think her tears are real but not of the pain. I think it's another reason for that.
Wounder if TMZ is member on this forum.. hmm.. and wounder if MJ is a member . wounder witch name mj would choose ? 8-)
I wonder that too ;)
They don't need to be a member to read all things here. I'm sure they know and read hoax forums but just that and not posting here.
What reason?
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I don't care anymore what comes up my personal deadline on this is June 25th and I will believe just until then!! :D
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Stop pretending that all of you belive 100% that MJ is alive when all of you have your own doubts, you just affraid to say it loud. Because whoever runs this site are here to brainwash you, you are tools in their hands just to draw more traffic here.
I can brainwash them better than they can brainwash me :lol:
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This is so painful to read. I can´t even imagine Debbie Rowe like that. This is heartbreaking. :cry: Come on guys, I don´t think she would visit FL if he wasn´t dead. :cry:
My day is over... :cry:
btw. In the topic I have written : Lawen, but I mean Lawn! Sorry.
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She probably is not in on the hoax. She honestly things MJ is dead. Why would they want to ;) tell her? Or maybe yet the Jackson's taught her to be an actress.. Throwing us off again.. Do not listen to anyone, listen to your heart.. What does your heart say? Mine says he is still alive and well.. Keep the Faith.
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Bellexx, was to mention it to TMZ MichaelJacksonHoaxDeath.net labeling, another of the oddities of TMZ, I do not think Michael has sent an email to everyone telling them that I knew that doing this, we must not forget everything has been discovered in all this time that Debbie Rowe siplemente has gone to the cemetery. 8-)
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Ok. What is the conclusion that can be drawn from this?
The conclusion is: Only a small group of people is in on the possible hoax.
This is a progress in the investigation. If even the mother of his children and his former ex-wife is not in on it, only a very few people will be.
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I think she is not in the hoax, simpel as that ... ;)
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dont u remember the pic where she was crying and everyone thought it was after seeing paris cry but actuallly it was cos of the paps? didnt tmz say it was cos of paris?
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OK I wonder if someone from that site tipped TMZ!
anyone on there know anything?
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am i reading it right? Did tmz say according to michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com!!!! clue guys ;)
Yes, I thought the same when I read it . They put in first place "Debby crying in the grave....." and then "with michaeljacksonhoaxdeath fans" seems like ridiculous, i dont know, like contradictory...
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lucrecia wrote; Yes, I thought the same when I read it . They put in first place "Debby crying in the grave....." and then "with michaeljacksonhoaxdeath fans" seems like ridiculous, i dont know, like contradictory...
or go crazy ,.... :lol: :lol:
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You can't fake that kind of pain,she is grieving the loss of Michael Jackson,her former husband and father of her children.People need to give Debbie a break.We are just fans but she was his wife and was his friend long before she married him.Its unfair to think or say she's not supposed to grieve for him.Like it or not Michael and Debbie share a bond that none of us fans can touch. As a mother I may not have agreed with Debbie's parenting skills but at least she had sense enough to give her children to someone who loved them like no other and that's their father Michael Jackson.As far as I'm concernd the hoax is over,the stun gun incident with Blanket proved this hoax was over first,because there is no way Michael Jackson would let his children stay in a situation that could get any of them hurt or killed,Michael would have blown his own damn cover for his beloved children.
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I think this is brilliant. IMO, they have put a live link to the hoax forum as they say this is where the pictures came from, when they didn't. They were first posted on a fan site??? This says it all to me...
They know that fans go there on the 3rd day of every month so they knew they would be there and I think that 3rd March was supposed to be a significant day for the hoax.
I have seen a few videos with Debbie and she seems very genuine to me and I'm sure she would play her part in the hoax to help Michael. I know her tears seem genuine but to me I feel this all too deliberate and way to many coincidences. Hopefully, Michael's fans who believe that he is dead and wouldn't think to look at anything related to this on the net, will now be encouraged to, as TMZ have so kindly provided the link. ;)
:D ;)
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LOL i just love TMZ
LOOk GUYS...
the site IS GONE
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http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/04/debbie-ro ... mausoleum/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/04/debbie-rowe-visits-michael-jacksons-grave-mausoleum/)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
This is hilarious!
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
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LOL i just love TMZ
LOOk GUYS...
the site IS GONE
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http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/04/debbie-ro ... mausoleum/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/04/debbie-rowe-visits-michael-jacksons-grave-mausoleum/)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
This is hilarious!
OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM SPEECHLESS :shock: THEY READ OUR FORUM.. THERES NO DOUBT ABOUT IT :shock: :shock:
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Debbie is such a nice person/
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they saw me post the photo of the link xD ? lol.. nah dont think so.. but , could be so..
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maybe they saw what someone said here that the pics and the information was first time posted on facebook (if i remember well reading) :lol:
they are .... !! :mrgreen:
PS: HI TMZ!! :oops:
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Hmm those are "google" links? i just say maybe because it happens to me when i search for flowers too much (for example) at every corner of the site i visit,flower commercials/links appear
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OK I wonder if someone from that site tipped TMZ!
anyone on there know anything?
I'm the original poster on the other site and I didn't tip TMZ off, for sure. I have all kinds of people up my ass for "stealing pictures" which were on a PUBLIC FACEBOOK PAGE. I didn't even have to join the community to find them, it's not like I searched them out.
They act like I'M the one who "disregarded her privacy" - k? How 'bout the people that posted those pictures in a public place to begin with?
I say fuck the lot of 'em.
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OK I wonder if someone from that site tipped TMZ!
anyone on there know anything?
I'm the original poster on the other site and I didn't tip TMZ off, for sure. I have all kinds of people up my ass for "stealing pictures" which were on a PUBLIC FACEBOOK PAGE. I didn't even have to join the community to find them, it's not like I searched them out.
They act like I'M the one who "disregarded her privacy" - k? How 'bout the people that posted those pictures in a public place to begin with?
I say fuck the lot of 'em.
oh ok
then the mention of the site is truly weird... they could have said according to fans or fan photos...
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OK... ive just been on TMZ.. why are they quoting a HOAX site as their source???
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Okay...so, this is weird! Is this the revealing of TMZ being involved in that whole "adventure"????? :shock:
Hm and now they removed the link...just too funny :lol:
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bless Debbie I have always liked her she just seems so normal to me
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OK... ive just been on TMZ.. why are they quoting a HOAX site as their source???
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http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/5386/skrmklippl.jpg
Okay...so, this is weird! Is this the revealing of TMZ being involved in that whole "adventure"????? :shock:
Hm and now they removed the link...just too funny :lol:
yeah I agree this is really interesting ;) Maybe it was a clue for us but now for sure TMZ are looking in this forum HELLO TMZ WELCOME :) .
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OK... ive just been on TMZ.. why are they quoting a HOAX site as their source???
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http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/5386/skrmklippl.jpg
Okay...so, this is weird! Is this the revealing of TMZ being involved in that whole "adventure"????? :shock:
Hm and now they removed the link...just too funny :lol:
yeah I agree this is really interesting ;) Maybe it was a clue for us but now for sure TMZ are looking in this forum HELLO TMZ WELCOME :) .
They are funny.
And it was not this forum on their direct but I'm sure they also know about this forum
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ok, the site mentioned in TMZ is over capacity... error 505...i hope a lot of people take a look on this site and wake up! ;)
i this is not a hoax why they´re are looking this sites???
i think that debbie knows about the fans being there and know that they will take this pictures and publishing on the net and.... who knows what is the real meaning of all this??? :roll:
You know what else is weird? The fact that she supposedly said to the fan that she was scared to get outof her truck cus she has gotten lots of hatemail.
funny, she had absolutely no problem confronting a photog and almost kicking his ass, but she was scared of a few fans??????
EXACTLY!
mAY I REMIND YOU THAT THIS IS THE VERY SAME WOMAN WHO RE SOLD MJ'S KIDS TO HIM 5 TIMES OVER AND GOT 9 MORE MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF HIM.
AFTER THAT YOU ARE SUPRISED THAT MJ DON'T WANNA HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HER.
cry me a river debbie.
cry me a river.
SHE AIN'T SCARED OF PAPARRAZZIS BUT SHE IS SCARED OF A FEW FANS, LIKE YOU SAID.
PUH LEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, now seem strange to me that Debbie Rowe appears, telling TMZ, saying it was Concerned about blanket. 8-)
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Why is that so strange? I think most of the general public who have been following this stun gun incident are concerned about those kids.
As far as the disappearing hoax link on TMZ, it's just as possible that they're toying with believers and trying to increase the number of hits on these MJ items.
And whatever the truth is about the details of MJ's relationship with Debbie, or just about anyone else for that matter, we will never really know.
At the end of the day, all we have on both sides of the hoax issue is speculation.
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Ok, with all my due respect for Debbie, know I can't say for sure what is her role, and I must say my GREAT LOVE TO TMZ :D :D.
But about Debbie I also want to say because I really don't understand why wasn't she there every week starting with September 2009? Why now ?? Why the hot subject was the kids and that gun and suddenly was changed to Debbie and then again suddenly was changed to the kids again by Randy tweets, I guess you read them, some important tweets.
Can you think what was all these about ? On one hand Debbie and the other Randy saying of some "she" inside the house who want to exploit them and separate the kids. Not Debbie because she is not "inside", but for me were wired all these last events
And now for some who lose hope : OK, I made the MJ photo in the ambulance :lol: :lol: :lol: ... COME ON !! dear people you forget about this photo ?? IT IS FAKE and MR. OXMAN said this on TV channel, in Italy ... FAKE, FAKE, FAKE , and those 2 guys from Photo National Group are MJ's friends, what more do you need ??
And one more thing on 911 call the operator is told that it is a dr. with MJ, THE personal DR. who tries to resuscitate him and no result. But AFTER THIS OPERATOR said where is he now ?? ah, on the bed.. put him down. God!!!!!!!!, how can a operator ask this knowing that A DR. is there and he is already making a resuscitation ?? This means that he desconsiders THE DOCTOR !!! he, the Operator advises A DOCTOR where should the patient be put ??? HAHAHAHAHAHA :lol: :lol: THIS OFFEND ANY DOCTOR IN THE WORLD, I GUESS, :P because YOU, the OPERATOR, IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW that if it is a Dr. with the patient, THAT DR., ANY DR. knows where the resuscitation must be done.
So this is the BIG MISTAKE in 911 call, no Operator can recommend to a Dr. how to do a resuscitation, as I said could offend him........... GOD is so obvious !!
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Yes, it seems very strange that she did not appear, is now declaring to TMZ, appears in the cemetery, and according to her whenever you can, why there is another photo before they were released today? 8-)
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To me the clues are winning from the fact that debbie rowe cries at forrest lawn, but i dont know why she really cries maybe to much emotions to deal with ? I am very emotional to since june 25 2009 ,i cry al the time if something gets just a little to much ...its hard to deal with everything what is going on dont you agree ? i can be wrong offcourse :?
Or maybe she's been drinkin'! :P
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Okay akiraka.... :lol:
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To me the clues are winning from the fact that debbie rowe cries at forrest lawn, but i dont know why she really cries maybe to much emotions to deal with ? I am very emotional to since june 25 2009 ,i cry al the time if something gets just a little to much ...its hard to deal with everything what is going on dont you agree ? i can be wrong offcourse :?
Or maybe she's been drinkin'! :P
I wouldn't let debbie anywhere near the kids cause
1 she is a heavy beer drinker, i have seen a pic of her even giving beer to her parots
and
2 she would be burger kinging, carl jring, jack in the boxing, in and out burgering, mc donalding , KFCING these kids to death.
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paula-c :lol: Super Okay !! :lol: I have a fake photo, THE ONLY PHOTO !!! and a 911 call with a LOT of "mistakes" :D , so for me it's enough !! I'm not blind ;)
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Photo false 911 call with an error momton, clumsy doctor who can not apply a CPR .. Today I powered on my work as do CPR, first aid to prepare as there are so many earthquakes these days, and I think I had better CPR :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I wasn't all that fond of Debbie until I watched this: http://www.123video.nl/playvideos.asp?MovieID=559560 (http://www.123video.nl/playvideos.asp?MovieID=559560)
I've got a lot of respect for her.
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I wonder if it's good that TMZ is watching us. What if they're mocking us or misleading us? TMZ is the ONLY media source that we believe it is the one who has been giving us clues. What if they're paid by someone(s) else to make us believe that Michael is alive? TMZ, TNZ, TIAI are all trying hard to convince us but WHY? It seems like these are all very connected. We were talking why TMZ didn't post anything about Debbie Rowe visiting FL and then bam; it was on TMZ. Someone told TMZ about it or they were already watching the forums. I don't know who to trust in this case no more. And this whole thing can be a game to us from the start :|
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PureLove quote:
"TMZ, TNZ, TIAI are all trying hard to convince us but WHY? "
Please, I must ask you do you remember the begining ? so we all see at many TV channels : MJ rushed to the hospital .. cardiac arrest... then in the very first days we began to THINK what was wrong with those news, images etc. , then came the ambulance photo AGAIN we analysed that and so on ... ALL this images, news were officialy released by WHOLE MEDIA not TMZ, TNZ, TIAI only.
Why do you doubt of your analyses, judgements??
In this case we should doubt about all media and all we've seen, heard .. so ALL MEDIA was paid by somebody to make us believe MJ is alive ?? I guess it's really impossible, first WHY ?? second, it would mean a HUGE PLAN made long time ago by them... by media. On the contrary, they always said and say MJ is dead. Also TMZ was on this path. I may say that not TMZ wanted to convince us that MJ is alive, but WE wanted to convince them and others that MJ is alive.
I want to say only this, I remember many people saying let's sent MJ's ambulance photo to TMZ and the photo from 1984, don't they see that these 2 photos are alike.. and so on other examples, so who convince who ? :D :lol:
So the conclusion, I think you must believe in your judgements, analyses based on facts and the main fact was that at the begining when ALL said MJ is dead, some of us started an investigation.... because we opened our eyes. ;)
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PureLove quote:
"TMZ, TNZ, TIAI are all trying hard to convince us but WHY? "
Please, I must ask you do you remember the begining ? so we all see at many TV channels : MJ rushed to the hospital .. cardiac arrest... then in the very first days we began to THINK what was wrong with those news, images etc. , then came the ambulance photo AGAIN we analysed that and so on ... ALL this images, news were officialy released by WHOLE MEDIA not TMZ, TNZ, TIAI only.
Why do you doubt of your analyses, judgements??
In this case we should doubt about all media and all we've seen, heard .. so ALL MEDIA was paid by somebody to make us believe MJ is alive ?? I guess it's really impossible, first WHY ?? second, it would mean a HUGE PLAN made long time ago by them... by media. On the contrary, they always said and say MJ is dead. Also TMZ was on this path. I may say that not TMZ wanted to convince us that MJ is alive, but WE wanted to convince them and others that MJ is alive.
I want to say only this, I remember many people saying let's sent MJ's ambulance photo to TMZ and the photo from 1984, don't they see that these 2 photos are alike.. and so on other examples, so who convince who ? :D :lol:
So the conclusion, I think you must believe in your judgements, analyses based on facts and the main fact was that at the begining when ALL said MJ is dead, some of us started an investigation.... because we opened our eyes. ;)
But I'm NOT talking about the time when the media showed us MJ rushed to hospital. Of course everyone was going to show it. I'm talking about the "CLUES" that was given to us which try to convince us he's alive. They were all given by TMZ. That's what I'm talking about. And that's the reason why I think they can be paid.
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I am so sorry to see DR crying. :( I still believe that MJ is alive and out there in the world. I pray to God to bless everyone here at this site. God bless you all! Please do not leave the site. You are all part of the MJ family! :)
Debbie, please know that I am a long time MJ fan, and I do not hate you at all. I know how much that you still love MJ. God bless you, Debbie! :)
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I am so sorry to see DR crying. :( I still believe that MJ is alive and out there in the world. I pray to God to bless everyone here at this site. God bless you all! Please do not leave the site. You are all part of the MJ family! :)
Debbie, please know that I am a long time MJ fan, and I do not hate you at all. I know how much that you still love MJ. God bless you, Debbie! :)
Agree and I won't be leaving until the truth prevails. Even if it's bad or not, I'll be staying.
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PureLove the clues that they are given to us are somehow belated, they don't convince me NOW...or for the last months, I was convinced since MJ photo appeared for the first time and at that moment TMZ was very quiet, they only presented news about autopsy, all types of drugs and pharmacy ... all kind of news.... without any clue. After some months they started give some clues. So for me those moments at the begining count very much. ;) These 4 moments are: MJ's photo, 911 call, ambulance leaving the house and helicopter transport.
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I heard today on the Insider that Debbie Rowe wasn't even allowed to step foot inside the Musoleum. She is not listed on the so called lists of people who are allowed to visit. Now doesn't this seem suspicious? It does to me. You would think that MJ's baby momma would be able to visit his burial site. Why wouldn't she be able to go inside? Debbie and Katherine are on good terms. That place is on lockdown for a reason. Hmmm wonder why? Also they showed Jaafar Jermaine's son on the show today as well. I thought that was kinda tasteless that they put that young boy on blast on national tv. He is 13 but he's still a kid. Kids do dumb things sometimes because they think it's cool not thinking about the consequences of their actions. Even if the story is true I think they should lay off the kid. We don't know the full story of what happened anyway. The media does tend to blow things up more than what they really are.
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I agree with MO. The evidence of mysterious death is way too heavy than the forest lawn trip of Debbie.
She either Not in hoax or she was sent on purpose at the same day fans go there to "confirm" Michael is "death". Debbie's "coincidental" trip is suspicious and MJ knows it will quickly sread out. So, he needed strenghten the hoax. Tha's my opinion.
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Forest Lawn is on lock down because Karen Faye went in there and took pictures and sold them to TMZ.
Ive heard only family allowed in now... which is odd that Debbie not allowed, as she is his ex wife and mother of his kids; i would class her as family.
Who knows?
Ive never heard of Lisa Marie going there either....
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Forest Lawn is on lock down because Karen Faye went in there and took pictures and sold them to TMZ.
Ive heard only family allowed in now... which is odd that Debbie not allowed, as she is his ex wife and mother of his kids; i would class her as family.
Who knows?
Ive never heard of Lisa Marie going there either....
Debbie has never been considered a part of the family, and never will be.
MJ didn't want her near his kids,
i personally didn't like the fact that debbie re sold the kids to MJ and got $ 9.000.000 more out of mj.
she got the rest of the money only recently last year,
i don't know if you guys remember that she said that she hopes that the family will follow up in respect to the agreement that she had with MJ regarding the kids, MJ was paying her $ 60.000 per month from 2004 i think to 2009.
well! now she is only coming out ?
and acting like she is scared of the fans because she has been receiving a few hate male but she is not scared of the paparazzis? :roll:
wow !!!!!!!!!!!
i don't feel bad for debbie at all, she has no idea what is going on she in not in on anything MJ kept her out and i personally am glad he did keep her out.
she was a financial burden to MJ. and she would have been to his estates if Katherine didn't have custody of mj's kids.
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I agree with MO. The evidence of mysterious death is way too heavy than the forest lawn trip of Debbie.
She either Not in hoax or she was sent on purpose at the same day fans go there to "confirm" Michael is "death". Debbie's "coincidental" trip is suspicious and MJ knows it will quickly sread out. So, he needed strenghten the hoax. Tha's my opinion.
Exactly... OMG - it's so obvious. This will keep those people going for awhile. Yes - she helped MJ and was a "friend". But to me - she gave up her parental rights for money. That to me is just... well let me end it here. NUFF SAID. Don't worry about this folks. You know - she could be crying to try and get in! ;)
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Forest Lawn is on lock down because Karen Faye went in there and took pictures and sold them to TMZ.
Ive heard only family allowed in now... which is odd that Debbie not allowed, as she is his ex wife and mother of his kids; i would class her as family.
Who knows?
Ive never heard of Lisa Marie going there either....
Debbie has never been considered a part of the family, and never will be.
MJ didn't want her near his kids,
i personally didn't like the fact that debbie re sold the kids to MJ and got $ 9.000.000 more out of mj.
she got the rest of the money only recently last year,
i don't know if you guys remember that she said that she hopes that the family will follow up in respect to the agreement that she had with MJ regarding the kids, MJ was paying her $ 60.000 per month from 2004 i think to 2009.
well! now she is only coming out ?
and acting like she is scared of the fans because she has been receiving a few hate male but she is not scared of the paparazzis? :roll:
wow !!!!!!!!!!!
i don't feel bad for debbie at all, she has no idea what is going on she in not in on anything MJ kept her out and i personally am glad he did keep her out.
she was a financial burden to MJ. and she would have been to his estates if Katherine didn't have custody of mj's kids.
If she TRULY loved him and TRULY was a friend no money would of been exchanged. The thought of walking away from her children just like that ....UGH!
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Forest Lawn is on lock down because Karen Faye went in there and took pictures and sold them to TMZ.
Ive heard only family allowed in now... which is odd that Debbie not allowed, as she is his ex wife and mother of his kids; i would class her as family.
Who knows?
Ive never heard of Lisa Marie going there either....
Debbie has never been considered a part of the family, and never will be.
MJ didn't want her near his kids,
i personally didn't like the fact that debbie re sold the kids to MJ and got $ 9.000.000 more out of mj.
she got the rest of the money only recently last year,
i don't know if you guys remember that she said that she hopes that the family will follow up in respect to the agreement that she had with MJ regarding the kids, MJ was paying her $ 60.000 per month from 2004 i think to 2009.
well! now she is only coming out ?
and acting like she is scared of the fans because she has been receiving a few hate male but she is not scared of the paparazzis? :roll:
wow !!!!!!!!!!!
i don't feel bad for debbie at all, she has no idea what is going on she in not in on anything MJ kept her out and i personally am glad he did keep her out.
she was a financial burden to MJ. and she would have been to his estates if Katherine didn't have custody of mj's kids.
If she TRULY loved him and TRULY was a friend no money would of been exchanged. The thought of walking away from her children just like that ....UGH!
i second that. a real friend would do this kind of gesture out of love not for money.
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dear TMZ,
we know.
also, debbie- i'll admit, i've never been a big fan. i don't like the whole idea of being "bought out of being a mother." however, if you really don't know what's going on with this hoax, then cheer up. cause he's alive.
PEOPLE can we please please please remember the calender we claim tells us when our next "clue" will be? DON'T lose faith in this yet. Millions of people have cried for michael since his "death." Hell, Jermaine does it every 5 minutes. please look at what we've FOUND. This week we've gotten some major clues. The Jacksons have been in the news EVERY SINGLE DAY. HELLOOOO. we're jackson saturated right now...and who is always in the back of our mind when a jackson speaks? MICHAEL. as for the stun gun incident, yes michael would fight through hell and back to protect his children....but the media is completely sensationalizing this. i doubt ANYTHING happened.
okay i'm ready for tomorrow's clue now.
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debbie wants some attention from somebody, funny how she just happened to be there on the 3rd of the month when his fans visit. I am sure she did have some type of friendship with Michael, but not the kind of relationship she had hoped to have. MAY GOD BLESS HER, ANYWAY.
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debbie wants some attention from somebody, funny how she just happened to be there on the 3rd of the month when his fans visit.
I agree.
And about the kids, I think it's just low to "sell" your kids like she did.
I don't like her. Sorry, but this is my opinion.
I keep hoping he's alive, in spite of Debbie's "drama"
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WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...b]
This story is told by fans who go to FL and know they won't be allowed to enter the mausoleum either. So you have your response. If the fans do it, why not her ?
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ok, the site mentioned in TMZ is over capacity... error 505...i hope a lot of people take a look on this site and wake up! ;)
i this is not a hoax why they´re are looking this sites???
i think that debbie knows about the fans being there and know that they will take this pictures and publishing on the net and.... who knows what is the real meaning of all this??? :roll:
You know what else is weird? The fact that she supposedly said to the fan that she was scared to get outof her truck cus she has gotten lots of hatemail.
funny, she had absolutely no problem confronting a photog and almost kicking his ass, but she was scared of a few fans??????
EXACTLY!
mAY I REMIND YOU THAT THIS IS THE VERY SAME WOMAN WHO RE SOLD MJ'S KIDS TO HIM 5 TIMES OVER AND GOT 9 MORE MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF HIM.
AFTER THAT YOU ARE SUPRISED THAT MJ DON'T WANNA HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HER.
cry me a river debbie.
cry me a river.
SHE AIN'T SCARED OF PAPARRAZZIS BUT SHE IS SCARED OF A FEW FANS, LIKE YOU SAID.
PUH LEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you are going to criticise Debbie for SELLING children you also criticise Michael for BUYING children.
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PureLove the clues that they are given to us are somehow belated, they don't convince me NOW...or for the last months, I was convinced since MJ photo appeared for the first time and at that moment TMZ was very quiet, they only presented news about autopsy, all types of drugs and pharmacy ... all kind of news.... without any clue. After some months they started give some clues. So for me those moments at the begining count very much. ;) These 4 moments are: MJ's photo, 911 call, ambulance leaving the house and helicopter transport.
I'm talking about all of them (including TMZ clues). That's the reason why I said, "what if this is a mind game on us from the begining"! I mean "everything" like death reports, helicopter vids, Liberian Girl pictures at the memorial and funeral, everything! U got what I'm trying to say? Anything is possible.
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ok, the site mentioned in TMZ is over capacity... error 505...i hope a lot of people take a look on this site and wake up! ;)
i this is not a hoax why they´re are looking this sites???
i think that debbie knows about the fans being there and know that they will take this pictures and publishing on the net and.... who knows what is the real meaning of all this??? :roll:
You know what else is weird? The fact that she supposedly said to the fan that she was scared to get outof her truck cus she has gotten lots of hatemail.
funny, she had absolutely no problem confronting a photog and almost kicking his ass, but she was scared of a few fans??????
EXACTLY!
mAY I REMIND YOU THAT THIS IS THE VERY SAME WOMAN WHO RE SOLD MJ'S KIDS TO HIM 5 TIMES OVER AND GOT 9 MORE MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF HIM.
AFTER THAT YOU ARE SUPRISED THAT MJ DON'T WANNA HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HER.
cry me a river debbie.
cry me a river.
SHE AIN'T SCARED OF PAPARRAZZIS BUT SHE IS SCARED OF A FEW FANS, LIKE YOU SAID.
PUH LEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you are going to criticise Debbie for SELLING children you also criticise Michael for BUYING children.
YOU ARE RIGHT RAVEN,
debbie is a Gold digger for selling her kids and MJ shouldn't have bought them in the first place.
you are right.
i blame both for having children via financial transaction
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I agree.
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Regarding Debbie taking to the witness stand for the prosecution in 2005 - i thought she gave positive testimony and that is why Mes did not seek to discredit her testimony. She was very scathing of the people around Jackson who made the rebuttal video. However, it was clear that she was hurting from not being able to see her kids, and she did say she did the interview in the hope that she would see Jackson and the kids (apparently Jackson said this would happen) but she never saw them in the end.
It is clear there was some kind of agreement between MJ and Debbie about the marriage and the kids she would provide. I don't think MJ promised her something and then didn't deliver and just ran away with the kids. I think Debbie agreed to the initial arrangement (whatever it was) but then once the kids were born she changed her mind and wanted to become more involved. This was inevitably going to cause problems if MJ did not want her to become attached to them. I do think it is slightly harsh that MJ did not let his kids know who their mother was. But don't surrogate mother's do this all the time? Surrender the child once it is born? Maybe MJ was hoping he would get married and his wife would become the children's mother. It does seem Debbie was very pained about this though, and i'm sure things would have worked out just fine even if the kids did have contact with her.
Am i right in saying the kids have no idea who Debbie is?
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PureLove I understood what you were trying to say .. and you meant with the reference to everything. So you mentioned TMZ, TNZ, TIAI misleading us and possibly doing all this because they were paid by somebody.
So my point was as you said "everything" it is difficult TO BE DONE, need an elaborate plan and made it in time, follow a schedule etc.. And who is this "undercover" payer??
I can admit the only one must be a GENIUS to manage, direct all and this one can be MJ only, otherwise coming from a X person, as I said, is much too difficult to coordonate the scenario, I mean that "everything".
And if this would be true -a X person /persons involvment, I believe until now, meaning 8 months, the family would have known the same and revealed to the public. A simple statement :that we were/ are misleading, as you, personally thought of this possibility, I think they would have also thought of it, before us, because they always were/are more informed that we are. But as you can see they didn't say anything.
And this hypothetical payer would have to pay all, not only these 3, including ET, Photo National Group, HollywoodTV, CNN Larry King, Kenny O, some of TII dancers, Jermaine J. and other of MJ's family members, because all of them gives us some clues, inclusiv one of MJ's nephew who wrote on his twitter to pay attention at the last Dynasty episod, at the end of it, also Liz Taylor on twitter to pay attention at the end of TII film - credits etc... so, I'm sorry, but I can't believe this.. it's so unreal, in fact it's impossible. This is my opinion ;)
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Forest Lawn is on lock down because Karen Faye went in there and took pictures and sold them to TMZ.
Ive heard only family allowed in now... which is odd that Debbie not allowed, as she is his ex wife and mother of his kids; i would class her as family.
Who knows?
Ive never heard of Lisa Marie going there either....
ex is not considered family. lisa has no business there since they didn't have kids. since debbie has 'sold' her rights to the kids in terms of having custody, she could only go in with them or katherine as the custodian of the kids, if at all. debbie
only has visiting rights with the kids, regardless of her being the biological mother. legally, she is not to be considered a family member.
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Forest Lawn is on lock down because Karen Faye went in there and took pictures and sold them to TMZ.
Ive heard only family allowed in now... which is odd that Debbie not allowed, as she is his ex wife and mother of his kids; i would class her as family.
Who knows?
Ive never heard of Lisa Marie going there either....
ex is not considered family. lisa has no business there since they didn't have kids. since debbie has 'sold' her rights to the kids in terms of having custody, she could only go in with them or katherine as the custodian of the kids, if at all. debbie
only has visiting rights with the kids, regardless of her being the biological mother. legally, she is not to be considered a family member.
Which of course brings up another question.
WHY have we not heard anything of her visiting the kids. It was all a big hoopla during court and saying she was going to have visitation and all, but nothing has leaked out. NOTHING. Nothing but weird stuff has leaked out....now she pops up at FL.
They say the kids know who she is and she was going to have supervised visits, but........IDK...weird.
This comes to mind
[youtube:li73lzy2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW08ivHU[/youtube:li73lzy2]
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Jacksonologist.....You are so right this whole thing is like we are in a episode of the Twilight Zone.It's like we don't know what is real or not anymore.I just wish this episode will be over soon.At least for me it will be over on June 25th. Either Michael will be back by then or not (IMO). If he doesn't come back I will have to accept the fact that he doesn't want to come back.I don't blame him for that. And if he does come back I will support him 100%. He deserves that much for everything he has done for this world. LOVE YOU MICHAEL!!!!! ;)
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Did you notice that we are discussing Mike's family again?
Makes me think of the "cardiologist" that became a "family doctor" and the current subject of "dys-functional" families in the context of the "stun gun" theme.
I think it's a whole circle of subjects we are touching while discussing.
Starting with Michael, ending up with Michael. And meanwhile in the process of clearing our minds he changes our lives.
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Debbie was a witness for the prosecution.
Court Transcript April 27 2005: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog/042705.txt (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog/042705.txt)
Court Transcript April 28 2005: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog/042805.txt (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog/042805.txt)
I don't see why Debbie would be in the know of the hoax.
I agree, Mo. Michael always made it clear that he loved Debbie very much and she was a very special friend. However, she already betrayed him during the trial, and even though she is the "mother" of his children she has made it clear that she doesn't want to play the mother role. Not judging her, I think she is a brave person to have children for someone and give them up to him. I'm just saying, I don't think this is reason enough for everyone to give up on the hoax. It seems like people are giving up really easily lately. I know we're all feeling a bit like we belong in the looney bin, and sometimes it's all exhausting, but just remind yourself of all the clues and reasons to still believe. They are still there. And not just for the sake of believing either. For the sake of truth. There is a reason for this entire thing. If something doesn't add up, it simply doesn't add up. It's up to us to not let the media or anyone fool us and keep searching for the truth.[/quote]
Debbie Rowe did NOT betray Michael at the trial. You either wern't paying attention at the time, too young to remember or taking someones word for it from a forum somewhere, that believe just because you are a witness for the prosecution you are personally against the person on trial. That latter simply isn't true. Debbie helped Michael plain and simple. She did not testify the way the prosecution thought she would. If she had told the prosecutor she did not want to testify or would not, he could have hauled her in anyway if he thought it would help his case. She could have been considered a hostile witness which would have been made clear to the jury. This probably would not have been helpful to Michael. That's the short of it. Debbie played the players. She did this for Michael. She did this for her children but she was not dishonest in her testimony. She had her say, praised Michael, and bashed the people around him. So give her some credit and stop with the nonense. It's no better, more justified or rational than what was perpetrated upon Michael. It's hurtful and disgusting to accuse someone of something that you obviously don't know the first damn thing about.
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..just a question...out of topic maybe...Why don't you think Michael has never adopted children? Or he wanted children with his "DNA",but if they are not really his children,as someone claims, why to pay so much money to Debby and not just adopt?
Moreover..I have never understood why he married her...
MJ has often saied he wanted to adopt children,but he never did..moreover,his umanitarian soul would have fit perfectly with adoption...
Madonna,Angelina Jolie did...
A man in USA cannot adopt chidren?
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Did you notice that we are discussing Mike's family again?
Makes me think of the "cardiologist" that became a "family doctor" and the current subject of "dys-functional" families in the context of the "stun gun" theme.
I think it's a whole circle of subjects we are touching while discussing.
Starting with Michael, ending up with Michael. And meanwhile in the process of clearing our minds he changes our lives.
I found this one, suits quite well,though a lttle off topic
http://www.youtube.com/user/jvon2000#p/ ... I8RTbJLTbY (http://www.youtube.com/user/jvon2000#p/a/f/2/EI8RTbJLTbY)
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Forest Lawn is on lock down because Karen Faye went in there and took pictures and sold them to TMZ.
Ive heard only family allowed in now... which is odd that Debbie not allowed, as she is his ex wife and mother of his kids; i would class her as family.
Who knows?
Ive never heard of Lisa Marie going there either....
But do you remember the video of the fans going to the entrance of the tomb to take flowers gifts etc with i think Colin the security man when they opened the gate and you could see the tomb, when i emailed they said you can not do that, when i looked the video has been removed so i can not show you, either it was a fake or it is not lock down or they did something they should not have or it is all a cover up
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So this is why TMZ deleted the MJHD link.
http://lisaburks.typepad.com/gravehunting/2010/03/photo-finish.html
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If you are going to criticise Debbie for SELLING children you also criticise Michael for BUYING children.
I AGREE.
There are surrogate mothers everywhere and this kind of thing happens everyday. It's also normal for them to get paid.
Obviously they don't normally get the kind of money Debbie has, but this is a bit of a special case. Most surrogate mothers also opt to never see the children again. I don't understand why this is all so BAD.
I would be a surrogate if I were approached correctly and correctly compensated. I do not want children, but there are people out there that deserve to be parents who CAN'T for whatever reason. If I could help them, I would.
MJ had an agreement with Debbie. Who are we to judge? I respect them both, personally.
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I agree it was a private matter between the two of them and you have to respect that but have to say Debbie looked so in love in her pictures with Michael I admire her she is a gutsy lady
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Did anyone notice that the person in the background is Marc Schaffel?
http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/debbie_ ... ost_recent (http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/debbie_breakdown#tab=most_recent)
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I agree it was a private matter between the two of them and you have to respect that but have to say Debbie looked so in love in her pictures with Michael I admire her she is a gutsy lady
She really is gutsy. And I admire her attitude, honestly. When it comes to the press and stuff. She doesn't take bullshit and I like that.
And think about it guys, there are millions of women that would have had Michael's kids. He chose Debbie for a reason, and it's just none of our business to try to speculate on it.
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Did anyone notice that the person in the background is Marc Schaffel?
http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/debbie_ ... ost_recent (http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/debbie_breakdown#tab=most_recent)
Who is Marc Schaffel?
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Who is Marc Schaffel? :?:
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This is who Marc Schaffel is...
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/story?id=259163&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/story?id=259163&page=1)
Former Jackson Associate Speaks Out
Former Confidant Details Lawsuit, Allegations of Drug Use, Financial Woes for 'King of Pop'
Nov. 17, 2004 --
"Marc Schaffel, a reputed porn producer and one-time Jackson confidant, filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court against Jackson seeking more than $3 million for alleged breach of contract and other agreements. In his lawsuit, Schaffel alleges the entertainer is broke and has had problems with drugs and lavish spending. In his complaint, which was obtained by ABC News, Schaffel says the pop star's need to borrow money "accelerated when Jackson's increasingly more frequent excessive use of drugs and alcohol impelled him into irrational demands for large amounts of money and extravagant possessions." In an exclusive interview with ABC News' senior legal correspondent Cynthia McFadden on "Good Morning America," Schaffel speculated that Jackson has a dependency on painkillers and pain medication and said the singer would call him in the middle of the night seeking loans for one of his spending sprees.
"When Michael would be on drugs, he would call two, three, four in the morning, very distorted," Schaffel said. "And he would say, 'Oh, can you give me $70,000 tomorrow? There's this table I saw. I gotta have it for my living room."
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Debbie at FL with Marc Schaffel (guy with mustache and glasses) in background.
(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs482.ash1/26409_340540249203_615679203_3394288_7653331_n.jpg)
According to this link from ABC News, if you look at photo #7 this is Marc Schaffel from article "Jackson Case Key Players"
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Leg ... ?id=393475 (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/LegalCenter/popup?id=393475) (photo #7)
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/abc_shaffel_050107_ssv.jpg)
Jackson also faced felony conspiracy charges that refer to alleged attempts to quiet the alleged victim and his family through five associates. One of those associates was Marc Schaffel, a reputed porn producer who has sued Jackson for breach of contract. (ABC News)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_More_Can_I_Give (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_More_Can_I_Give)
"What More Can I Give" is a song written by American musician Michael Jackson and recorded by a supergroup of singers following the September 11 attacks in 2001. "What More Can I Give" was scheduled for release as a charity single, in the hope that $50 million would be raised to aid the survivors and the families of victims of the September 11 terrorist attacks.The plan, however, never came to fruition and the reasons why have varied between sources and the individuals involved. One newspaper stated that the release of the song was abandoned after it emerged that the executive producer had directed pornographic movies. The producer, Marc Schaffel, denied that he was to blame[/u], and offered the opinion that the song was not released as part of a marketing ploy by Sony Music.
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Marc Schaffel seems to have been Debbie Rowe's spokesperson in this article from around the time of the Memorial in July.
(Link to See this article - it won't let me copy the photo of Debbie with Marc Schaffel in background)
http://www.hollyscoop.com/michael-jacks ... 20805.aspx (http://www.hollyscoop.com/michael-jackson/debbie-rowe-to-attend-michaels-memorial_20805.aspx)
July 06, 2009
"Contrary to previous reports, Debbie Rowe will not be attending Michael Jackson’s memorial tomorrow as a “VIP". A ticket was set aside for her as a VIP to the memorial. Mark Schaffel, a former associate of Michael’s, told GMA this morning, "Debbie will attend. We just got confirmation last night from the people who are handling the VIP seats that they do have Debbie's seats and she will be attending.” Schaffel went on to say Debbie has been trying to get in touch with the Jackson family, saying, "There has been outreach, unfortunately, like so many cases, there's so much going on that they just have not been able to make contact. There were several tries, just for the fact of phone numbers that had changed, you know, answering machines that were full. Contact had not been able to happen prior."
As for the custody battle, Schaffel said, "All I can say is the only one that could give an answer to that would be Debbie Rowe's lawyers, and they're the only ones that could make any kind of official statement on that or obviously make any statement regarding that.”
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He is also in this video (March 4, 2009) from TMZ with her. Click on the link to see the video. Interesting that none of the video interviewers asked who he was.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/04/debbie-ro ... d-blanket/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/04/debbie-rowe-blanket-stun-gun-worried-blanket/)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2010/03/030410_debbie_video.jpg)
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Hmmm i think Debbie would know about the hoax cause i think she will still be talking to her kids.
I think this is it people. We have to accept that Michael is dead.
God has given the world an angel and the world abused the angel. Now God took his angel back.
Farewell Michael... rest in peace :cry:IF Michael is alive , he wouldn't let her in on it .
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How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
Hi Mo,
You're absolutely correct! Simply because Debbie Rowe is crying or whatever doesn't sway me in the least. Excuse me, but didn't she agree to have MJ's kids? She was a loyal fan of MJ's. She had pictures of him all over her apartment. She would do anything for Michael. Whether or not she is in on the hoax is another issue but I don't believe for one minute that her tears confirms MJ is gone. They have to do better than that. Trust me honey. I am relaxed. Keep the Faith!
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Ok.. i was sceptical of this at the beginning because its a well known fact that the California Fans go there on the 3rd of every month to Forest Lawn.
Last month it was Dr Murrays time to rock up... and now this month Debbie shows up.
Who next? Lisa Marie? Karen Faye?... take your bets now!
Seems a bit planned to me, to be honest. For whatever reason, i do not know.
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Why does anyone think what happened between Michael & Debbie is there business??? As with any couple in a relationship it is between the two people, if it worked for Debbie & Michael who are we to speculate?!?!?! :?
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Why does anyone think what happened between Michael & Debbie is there business??? As with any couple in a relationship it is between the two people, if it worked for Debbie & Michael who are we to speculate?!?!?! :?
I cant say that divorce after two years meant it worked...
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Why does anyone think what happened between Michael & Debbie is there business??? As with any couple in a relationship it is between the two people, if it worked for Debbie & Michael who are we to speculate?!?!?! :? there was no love for debbie from michael , it was all business for money , she gave him 2 children and he gave her millions , the only reason he married her was because he was thinking of changing over to muslim and they are against having a baby with a person your not married to , another one of Jermaine ideas , Jermaine seem to get him into alot of bad situations . :roll:
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HELLO GUYS.WELL THIS DONT BRING ME DOWN.DEBBIE ROWE IS VISITING F.L.AND HIS OWN MOTHER NEVER DID??MAKES NO SENCE RIGHT!Thats because he's not there, that's why mama has not went. :roll:
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Why does anyone think what happened between Michael & Debbie is there business??? As with any couple in a relationship it is between the two people, if it worked for Debbie & Michael who are we to speculate?!?!?! :?
I cant say that divorce after two years meant it worked...
Well imo Michael choose Debbie to have 2 children for him & that says alot to me, Michael trusted Debbie
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@Disco. I am aware of that.
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Ok.. i was sceptical of this at the beginning because its a well known fact that the California Fans go there on the 3rd of every month to Forest Lawn.
Last month it was Dr Murrays time to rock up... and now this month Debbie shows up.
Who next? Lisa Marie? Karen Faye?... take your bets now!
Seems a bit planned to me, to be honest. For whatever reason, i do not know.
LOL!
HOW ABOUT MJ?
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Ok.. i was sceptical of this at the beginning because its a well known fact that the California Fans go there on the 3rd of every month to Forest Lawn.
Last month it was Dr Murrays time to rock up... and now this month Debbie shows up.
Who next? Lisa Marie? Karen Faye?... take your bets now!
Seems a bit planned to me, to be honest. For whatever reason, i do not know.
LOL!
HOW ABOUT MJ?
Lol. TMZ: BREAKING NEWS! MICHAEL JACKSON VISITS HIS OWN TOMB!
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So TMZ actually admitted to finding the pictures here first?
I bet they love us.
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thank god someone has gone the FL
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So this is why TMZ deleted the MJHD link.
http://lisaburks.typepad.com/gravehunting/2010/03/photo-finish.html
I really think mentioning the link was an occasion, something that fitted in, for tmz.I do not believe that they did not realise the side effects. So, I guess it also is an offer to read between the lines.Like everything in the entire story since 25.6, no clear evidence (YET!), always on ;) the MAYBE base. Stay alerted!
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Hmm. First CM, then Debbie. Who's going to be next? Hmm, I know! How about someone who was actually close to him recently?!! :lol: That would be nice, instead of someone he hasn't had anything to do with for a while & a man accused of killing him :roll: How about an actual FRIEND?!! or how about a family member?!! Since supposedly, it's limited to "only family" now. It doesn't necessarily have to be one of his kids, brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews or parents but doesn't he have any cousins?? any Uncles or Aunts still living?? Wouldn't they be allowed to visit, if he does?? ;)
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Why does anyone think what happened between Michael & Debbie is there business??? As with any couple in a relationship it is between the two people, if it worked for Debbie & Michael who are we to speculate?!?!?! :?
I cant say that divorce after two years meant it worked...
Well imo Michael choose Debbie to have 2 children for him & that says alot to me, Michael trusted Debbie
i heard her say in an interview that mike was desperate to have his own kids and she then 'volunteered' to have them for him. there was no choice on his side. he wanted kids and she said 'i'll be your surrogate'. i also think that her feelings were much stronger to begin with and she might have thought it would result in a relationship, which it didn't.
btw, i was only married for 2 years myself, within a 5 year-relationship, so that is nothing unusual. plus, i think mike wanted to please his mother by marrying debbie, like an approval of sorts. also, the kids' were supposed to be born 'jackson', not 'rowe', so there had to be a marriage to 'secure' the name. going through the motions... :mrgreen:
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actually the fans arent the only ones with pics...here is a video of the paparazzi when debbie went to see mike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sNxkkbm ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sNxkkbmapg&feature=player_embedded)
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This is very strange. Why is Debbie within breathing distance of Marc Schaffel when she has such a scathing opinion of him? Here is an article reporting on the court proceedings of 2005 when Debbie gave evidence for the prosecution - but she actually gave the opposite of what the prosecution wanted. I cannot believe she is with this man?
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/28/jacks ... index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/28/jackson.trial/index.html)
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This is very strange. Why is Debbie within breathing distance of Marc Schaffel when she has such a scathing opinion of him? I cannot believe she is with this man?
I agree, it is very, very strange that she is with him.
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pepper wrote; I agree, it is very, very strange that she is with him.
True, she chooses precisambody besides the day the fans are going to the cemetery, like Murray, also told TMZ that she goes to the cemetery whenever I could, why no photos or videos above?, And finally I believe the story that Michael is broke and asks for money to this man. 8-)
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I FEEL THAT DEBBIE IS NOT INTO THIS ,HOAX THING CAUSE MJ ALWAYS PLACED HER AT AN ARMS LENGTH N HE WOULD NEVER TELL ABOUT THIS...