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Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: SmellyJelly on March 03, 2010, 02:13:41 PM

Title: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: SmellyJelly on March 03, 2010, 02:13:41 PM
You know the song "Empire state of mind" by Jay-Z feat. Alicia Keys...

[youtube:bmqf75co]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjsXo9l6I8[/youtube:bmqf75co]

in the second stanza, there are several verses interesting...

Labor Day parade, rest in peace Bob Marley,
Statue of Liberty, long live the World Trade,
Long live the king yo,
I’m from the Empire State thats…
In New York!!!!

They refer to Bob Marley or to Michael?

We know that the song was launched at the Video Music Awards on September, 14 2009, edition dedicated to Michael.
We know that Jay-Z is Beyonce's boyfriend.
We know that Beyonce loves Michael and vice versa.

Why they released the song then and there?
Maybe is a connection?
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: MJ_92_Believe on March 03, 2010, 03:04:17 PM
Optimistic.
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: kelly wright on March 03, 2010, 04:11:28 PM
I got news for you ,Jayz is an illuminati worshiping ,evil Aliester Crowely worshiping , devil ,and he knows full well what he is doing see Human batteries channel on u tube . Dead or alive MJ would have outsold the both of them and he did ! Jayz ,Beyonce ,Riahanna , Ga Ga ,illuminatti worshipers . People specializing in symbology have studied their video's .I will not even look at their  video's .
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: Kirsche on March 03, 2010, 04:19:38 PM
Quote from: "SmellyJelly"
You know the song "Empire state of mind" by Jay-Z feat. Alicia Keys...

[youtube:1dx92geq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjsXo9l6I8[/youtube:1dx92geq]

in the second stanza, there are several verses interesting...

Labor Day parade, rest in peace Bob Marley,
Statue of Liberty, long live the World Trade,
Long live the king yo,
I’m from the Empire State thats…
In New York!!!!

They refer to Bob Marley or to Michael?

We know that the song was launched at the Video Music Awards on September, 14 2009, edition dedicated to Michael.
We know that Jay-Z is Beyonce's boyfriend.
We know that Beyonce loves Michael and vice versa.

Why they released the song then and there?
Maybe is a connection?


I've wondererd why he didn't sing something "rest in peace, king" or whatever.

You know, what I think?

We all know, Bob Marley is really dead.  We all know the WTC has been attaacked. We all know Michael has been attacked ( by media etc.)

BUT:

you can rebuild the WTC ( I don't know if these plans are still up?). So the WTC WILL RETURN

AND

You can rebuild the king (means:  THE KING WILL RETURN )

I think that's why it sang  "Long live the king" and not "RIP " etc.


Just my thought!

I don't even know if Jay-Z knows something, haha
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: MJLover1990 on March 03, 2010, 04:21:58 PM
Quote from: "kelly wright"
I got news for you ,Jayz is an illuminati worshiping ,evil Aliester Crowely worshiping , devil ,and he knows full well what he is doing see Human batteries channel on u tube . Dead or alive MJ would have outsold the both of them and he did ! Jayz ,Beyonce ,Riahanna , Ga Ga ,illuminatti worshipers . People specializing in symbology have studied their video's .I will not even look at their  video's .

Exactly!
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: CrazyBanana on March 03, 2010, 08:19:08 PM
Jay Z?? the devil worshiping freemason?  :roll: probably mentioning some illimunati figure
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: looking4truth on March 03, 2010, 09:22:06 PM
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
Jay Z?? the devil worshiping freemason?  :roll: probably mentioning some illimunati figure

 :lol: I'm sorry but I think some people are running with this Illuminati stuff and going on the attack for no real reason. I know, I know. He has a lot of symbols in his videos. I get that. However, he could've did these symbols because he knew people were talking about him being a "devil worshipper" and figured, okay I'll give them something to talk about. That's a great way to get some buzz going. It's a business tactic. He is a businessman.

I think we really do not know what these people truly believe versus what they are projecting.  And I HIGHLY doubt he is part of any Illuminati. A couple of secret societies, maybe but I doubt he is part of the team that is supposedly running the country. I don't think anyone in public is apart of that IMO. I could be wrong because who knows but at this point, the "Illuminati" probably just changed their name because that one is simply overused.

Oh and that lyric could mean anyone especially since he probably recorded this song before MJ transitioned.
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: misha86 on March 03, 2010, 11:30:02 PM
Quote from: "looking4truth"
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
Jay Z?? the devil worshiping freemason?  :roll: probably mentioning some illimunati figure

 :lol: I'm sorry but I think some people are running with this Illuminati stuff and going on the attack for no real reason. I know, I know. He has a lot of symbols in his videos. I get that. However, he could've did these symbols because he knew people were talking about him being a "devil worshipper" and figured, okay I'll give them something to talk about. That's a great way to get some buzz going. It's a business tactic. He is a businessman.


he has meantioned being in/with the illuminati since his first album that came on in 1996 so i dont think he is just using the symbols when he not only has been down since day one but his label is named after 1 of the 13 bloodlines

as far as him mentioning mj as the king, i doubt it BUT i will point out that he meantions mike at at least 3 times on his album

"black or white we both like mike"-venus vs mars

"I thought shorty like mike, found out she likes prince"-venus vs mars

"mj at the summer jam, obama on the text, yall should be scared of what im gonna do next.."-on to the next

I also want to point out that mike has been mentioned in ALOT of songs in the past year, starting right before he "died" if i have time at work tomorrow i will make a list of them and post them here
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: MJonmind on March 04, 2010, 01:29:39 AM
Also Beyonce did a tribute song to Michael last fall, using part of her song "Halo" and kept singing how much she loves Michael and about his having a halo.
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: CrazyBanana on March 04, 2010, 01:37:00 AM
Quote from: "looking4truth"
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
Jay Z?? the devil worshiping freemason?  :roll: probably mentioning some illimunati figure

 :lol: I'm sorry but I think some people are running with this Illuminati stuff and going on the attack for no real reason. I know, I know. He has a lot of symbols in his videos. I get that. However, he could've did these symbols because he knew people were talking about him being a "devil worshipper" and figured, okay I'll give them something to talk about. That's a great way to get some buzz going. It's a business tactic. He is a businessman.

I think we really do not know what these people truly believe versus what they are projecting.  And I HIGHLY doubt he is part of any Illuminati. A couple of secret societies, maybe but I doubt he is part of the team that is supposedly running the country. I don't think anyone in public is apart of that IMO. I could be wrong because who knows but at this point, the "Illuminati" probably just changed their name because that one is simply overused.

Oh and that lyric could mean anyone especially since he probably recorded this song before MJ transitioned.
thats exactly what I thought at first! for buisness or not it is disturbing...
he is clearly a freemason but I could be wrong although I highly doubt it...
and I never said he was in the illuminati as in hes one of the people controlling the world.. he is probably just used by them and I dont think he's a slave either... he knows exactly what he's doing... for publicity or for his own beliefs :roll:
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: teine21 on March 04, 2010, 05:30:49 AM
If he's not a part of it, then he is OBSESSED with it, that's just as bad.
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: MJLover1990 on March 04, 2010, 05:44:20 AM
Quote from: "looking4truth"
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
Jay Z?? the devil worshiping freemason?  :roll: probably mentioning some illimunati figure

 :lol: I'm sorry but I think some people are running with this Illuminati stuff and going on the attack for no real reason. I know, I know. He has a lot of symbols in his videos. I get that. However, he could've did these symbols because he knew people were talking about him being a "devil worshipper" and figured, okay I'll give them something to talk about. That's a great way to get some buzz going. It's a business tactic. He is a businessman.

I think we really do not know what these people truly believe versus what they are projecting.  And I HIGHLY doubt he is part of any Illuminati. A couple of secret societies, maybe but I doubt he is part of the team that is supposedly running the country. I don't think anyone in public is apart of that IMO. I could be wrong because who knows but at this point, the "Illuminati" probably just changed their name because that one is simply overused.

Oh and that lyric could mean anyone especially since he probably recorded this song before MJ transitioned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYPzurge ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYPzurgenCo&feature=related)

Listen to that, it's from his song ''lucifer'' what a subtle title for a song by the way. Forward the song and words mean nothing but backwords he says 666 and Murder Murder Jesus. He's definitely high up in the Illuminati! But that is what I believe at least.
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: MJLuva84 on March 04, 2010, 06:52:30 AM
Quote from: "kelly wright"
I got news for you ,Jayz is an illuminati worshiping ,evil Aliester Crowely worshiping , devil ,and he knows full well what he is doing see Human batteries channel on u tube . Dead or alive MJ would have outsold the both of them and he did ! Jayz ,Beyonce ,Riahanna , Ga Ga ,illuminatti worshipers . People specializing in symbology have studied their video's .I will not even look at their  video's .


Exactly Check out TheForerunner's videos on youtube he is awesome!
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: MJLuva84 on March 04, 2010, 06:57:17 AM
Quote from: "looking4truth"
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
Jay Z?? the devil worshiping freemason?  :roll: probably mentioning some illimunati figure

 :lol: I'm sorry but I think some people are running with this Illuminati stuff and going on the attack for no real reason. I know, I know. He has a lot of symbols in his videos. I get that. However, he could've did these symbols because he knew people were talking about him being a "devil worshipper" and figured, okay I'll give them something to talk about. That's a great way to get some buzz going. It's a business tactic. He is a businessman.

I think we really do not know what these people truly believe versus what they are projecting.  And I HIGHLY doubt he is part of any Illuminati. A couple of secret societies, maybe but I doubt he is part of the team that is supposedly running the country. I don't think anyone in public is apart of that IMO. I could be wrong because who knows but at this point, the "Illuminati" probably just changed their name because that one is simply overused.

Oh and that lyric could mean anyone especially since he probably recorded this song before MJ transitioned.

(coughs) BULLSHIT! Open your eyes. I am a firm believer that Jayz is indeed a devil worshiper and he was labled a devil worshiper BEFORE his recent videos therefore he is not doing it for record sales because he was deemed one before hand. I used to be one of Beyonce's biggest fans and have learned different. I'm not gonna be blinded by the media. U gotta open your eyes and realize we know VERY little about this world we are living in and also that there is a HUGE price to fame. You think these TOP people in the world have all this fame and they don't have to give anything but sing/rap some lyrics...nope..they pay a much higher price...their souls. And you'd be surprised as to what people will do for fame, power, and wealth...just look at reality tv people do that sick idiotic crap for chump change or nothing most of the time...just to have their 15 minutes...so what do you think people would do for say a lifetime of wealth and fame? Just think about it. Everything is not as cut and dry as some of us would like to think. We live in a sick complicated world and sadly Satan has his hand in everything.
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: clea on March 04, 2010, 07:13:36 AM
MJLover1990 say:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYPzurge ... re=related

Listen to that, it's from his song ''lucifer'' what a subtle title for a song by the way. Forward the song and words mean nothing but backwords he says 666 and Murder Murder Jesus. He's definitely high up in the Illuminati! But that is what I believe at least.


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :o  :o
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: SearchingForTruths on March 04, 2010, 07:32:41 AM
Oh jeez, guys, really? Jay Z being part of the illuminati??  :lol: You all sound like stereotypical Elvis-type hoaxers. It's really getting out of hand...

Anyway, Jay was most likely talking about himself when he said "Long Live The King". He tends to do that.
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: dragonflylilies on March 04, 2010, 07:56:29 AM
You guys,  Long live the King....  He is refering to Martin Luther King.   I think we are all just reading too much into everything...  Sorry but that is just my opinion.
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: Sabrina on March 04, 2010, 08:01:40 AM
Quote from: "dragonflylilies"
You guys,  Long live the King....  He is refering to Martin Luther King.   I think we are all just reading too much into everything...  Sorry but that is just my opinion.


This is my though too
Not everyone is on the hoax
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: looking4truth on March 04, 2010, 09:46:40 AM
I've seen all of that stuff. I know all about that stuff that you guys are talking about. I've done the research too. And I am not saying there is no underground world underneath the glitz and glamour of the entertainment industry. HOWEVER, that does not equate to Jay being a "devil worshiper" or possibly affiliated with the Illuminati. Since we are not in it, we cannot really speak of it 100%. Since we do not know Jay, we cannot speak of him 100%. That's why I don't put those labels on Jay or any other artists because you just don't know why they are doing these things, what they are going through and what their true beliefs are. I also believe that freemasonry does not necessarily mean evil. In fact, freemasonry roots are probably not as bad as people make it out to be. It's just that some in power may have twisted the core beliefs for their own agenda that may not be as saintly, let's say. And it seems that this "exposure" of the Illuminati is another way for them to create fear. Now everyone is catching the signs and pouncing on them and saying these people are evil and all that stuff, instead of focusing on things that really matter like love and peace. Geez, I sound like a hippie.  :lol: And sorry to the OP for moving the conversation away from what it was originally intended to be about.
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: CrazyBanana on March 04, 2010, 12:52:55 PM
ok people need to know that he was known as a freemason before that song! who he refers to might not say anything but honestly people wake up...
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: Dancing_Machine on March 04, 2010, 04:10:02 PM
Quote from: "kelly wright"
I got news for you ,Jayz is an illuminati worshiping ,evil Aliester Crowely worshiping , devil ,and he knows full well what he is doing see Human batteries channel on u tube . Dead or alive MJ would have outsold the both of them and he did ! Jayz ,Beyonce ,Riahanna , Ga Ga ,illuminatti worshipers . People specializing in symbology have studied their video's .I will not even look at their  video's .

Exactly.

For those who don't believe it: watch "The Industry Exposed" on youtube.
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: chrisman on March 04, 2010, 08:27:10 PM
If it helps. I heard the song before the VMA's on the radio here in Florida :/

by the way I always say that line when I hear that song "mumble mumble sing mumble mumble -Long live the King yo!" hehe ^^
Title: Re: Empire State Of Mind
Post by: mollyosheaMJ on March 06, 2010, 06:25:25 PM
People are taking this illuminati stuff and running with it. Every out of place thing they're applying it to. Jay-Z part of the illuminati? Think again guys.
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