Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Theories => Michael's Reasons to hoax his death => Topic started by: Doctor Death on February 28, 2010, 02:49:55 PM

Title: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Doctor Death on February 28, 2010, 02:49:55 PM
I just had a good exchange of ideas with 2 members here----Grace and Bec, and I need to thank them for provoking my thoughts in this direction.

IMO, This is a hoax is a  mission that aims attaining many objectives through the execution of a series of premeditated events stitched together....One of those objectives would be to give people a first hand experience of what he had to go through every day that he spent at the TOP....Because when you're at the top, you are like a flower in full bloom and that in itself is reason enough for people to feel the urge to pluck the flower....There will always be people who wil wanna drag you from the top and take you down the hill.

Look at the past 7 months....After the intial hysteria died down, we al started speculating over his reasons for hoaxing his death...And then every day, stuff kept happening that at times threw the hoax investigation off gear...Becasue we have had a lot of debates and confusion prevailing for along time ovr a lot of issues....and all of us are pretty much frustrated by now and want to know the truth....Thats right, we have become DESPERATE.

Dave on LKL or MJ on LKL, Doubles or no doubles in TII, the true meaning of the TIAI redirections.....wether LArry King knows or not....Who is WHAT? We dont know anymore......

He needed to intentionally create these confusions so that people could feel the FEAR, PARANOIA,INSECURITY, The feeling that you cant trust anyone around you because you dont know who's tellig the truth anymore, The feeling taht everyone is pushing you into a corner and that the more you try to undo the confusion, the moe entangled the whole situation becomes......What to beLIEve and what not to beLIEve......And in the end, TOTAL FRUSTRATION.....And when this situation persists ovr a long span of time, the lesser you care about life.....and either feel like giving it up or punishing those people who are deliberately making the truth more and more opaque for you.

That is exactly what is happening with us now. Because right now, we're suspicious of every soul regarding this case...we dont know who's telling the truth and who's bluffing us. The opinion regarding TIAI and thealleged doubles in TII is also vastly divided.....Then theres all the debate over the o2 guy.....

In short all these months,there have been enough diversions that have challenged our convictions and perceptions regarding the whole scenario and,... we've been oscillating between YES and NO....And this is exactly how Michael would have felt in recent years with everyone out there wanting a piece of him and earning money AND attention off his name in the most distasteful fashion. He felt intimidated, insecure and unsure of the people around him......And maybe  maknig us feel the way he felt was a secondary....if not primary objective of this hoax.

Too many people mesing with his head and manipulating him...thats what he wanted us to feel.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: the arabian nights on February 28, 2010, 02:55:08 PM
dr death i think your losing it

you know im your friend so it is will love in my heart i say this to you

please get a grip

go get some sleep
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Doctor Death on February 28, 2010, 03:13:22 PM
These are my thoughts.....I dont see why people should think I am NUTS just because I wanna share them with other people on a forum.....

If its such a big crime to present a perspctive then shut down the whole forum for god's sake..... :roll:

It seems that a healthy discusion isnt valued here.....anymore....

Look Mr/Mrs/Miss .....I 've spent enough time on my bed to keep me sane......Please dont impose your opinion on me......You dont like it...You dont read it.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: bec on February 28, 2010, 03:20:17 PM
Pretty confident Doc has got a grip just fine. Others? I have my doubts, lol.

I do believe some objectives were planned and some sprung up of their own accord. This may be one that was not laid out but evolved naturally. You figure we are all human, and when subjected to similar stimuli, we can experience similar resulting emotions.

So, could this be orchestrated? Posibly. More likely, in my opinion, the paranoia, fear, and distrust is us identifying with the subject of our investigation, and experiencing similar situations in miniture, within our alternate reality roll playing game, rather then a purposeful goal planed by him.

Because really, you figure, any one of us could drop this and walk away at any time. Michael couldn't. Not to say you're off the mark, Doc, I'm just expanding on your observation and throwing out an alternative perspective.

I do enjoy the banter and debate.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: loyalfan on February 28, 2010, 03:25:28 PM
well i have read your post and it makes a lot of sense to me..........how clever micheal is.........we have only had a few months of this circus.....he had years and years.........and none of us will ever be the same again...even if ends tomorrow........its been quite unbelievable..........xxx
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Doctor Death on February 28, 2010, 03:28:03 PM
I do enjoy the banter and debate




So do I.....you talkin' to a person of the same breed...I can assure you that :D

@arabian nights...no offense.....Things get pretty much heated up here sometimes.


Yes...I do agree that this consequence of the hoax spring off its own accord.....It was an obvious consequence.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: steffmaster1 on February 28, 2010, 03:47:34 PM
but the fans know wot he went through so in this sense we are being punished as we are affected by this the haters should no how it feels we already know please come back soon this is so tough :x Im so glad i found this site i couldnt do this alone!
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: angel on February 28, 2010, 04:22:45 PM
Doctor Death, good post.  I too believe the hoax has many objectives.  As Jacksonologist has said, "I do think with this hoax that MJ is killing many birds with one stone".
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: tabloidburn on February 28, 2010, 05:34:56 PM
Quote from: "angel"
Doctor Death, good post.  I too believe the hoax has many objectives.  As Jacksonologist has said, "I do think with this hoax that MJ is killing many birds with one stone".


i think so, too. i think many developments in this hoax are left open, subject to how the public reacts to clues or if they are even noticed. some clues or newsbits are thrown out there and you just have to see where that goes, how it is handled and what to do next according to that. last but not least: there is still a lot of reasoning about why in the first place. i think there are as many possibilites in this as michael wrote more than 100 songs for any of his albums...everything possible.  

@ doctordeath: i think you described one of the reasons why all this is happening very well. it's all about exposure somehow, but much bigger than just letting the public feel his pain. that was very well much more than any of us would ever be able to endure. and it's not just about the tabloids or media. this whole sick system has to come down!

i have the highest admiration and respect for michael how he handled and carried himself through all that - over decades!!!
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: RK on February 28, 2010, 09:36:24 PM
Makes me think of that line at the beginning of TII. "but there was still one thing he wanted to do for the fans". For us it has been like the movie"Being John Malcovich" where we get to,  as you say , feel him, to a degree. A really gutsy bold move on the part of our lovely shy one. But this is just one aspect of the whole hoax I believe. An incredible adventure and the ultimate gift for his fans. Thank you Michael. This hoax has taken over my  life for the last 8 months and made me feel every emotion possible and opened my eyes. An adventure, a truly great adventure.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Doctor Death on March 01, 2010, 12:59:24 AM
Yeah...This has been an enlightening experience for all of us. Its just not about the ambigiuty of the media but also about US being given a chance to walk in his shoes..........


...Which of course reminds me of that tweet by Conrad Murray-----

"DONT JUDGE ME UNTIL YOU HAVE WALKED IN MY SHOES"
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: 2 Bad on March 01, 2010, 01:34:24 AM
Oh I think we feel him a lot!!
Believers and non believers alike feel him now!
We believers have the added mental anguish of having the best news in the galaxy in our hearts and no way to proof it! Just the faith that the truth will prevail!

Keeping the faith and simmering....
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Doctor Death on March 01, 2010, 01:56:45 AM
@ 2 Bad.....


Although you caouldnt have put it better, I would like to correct you on the "proving thing"......We CAN prove it.....In more than a 100 ways.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: teerockjelli on March 01, 2010, 01:59:56 AM
LOL  :lol: feel him? love to!  ;)
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: loma on March 01, 2010, 02:07:01 AM
Quote from: "2 Bad"
Oh I think we feel him a lot!!
Believers and non believers alike feel him now!
We believers have the added mental anguish of having the best news in the galaxy in our hearts and no way to proof it! Just the faith that the truth will prevail!

Keeping the faith and simmering....

Well said.
Even my friends that aren't fans say that I've changed.
I feel him and spread love everywhere now.  :lol:
Agreed Doctor Death.
He wanted us to feel the strong, vibrant love in him.
But that's not all he is. He's human too, and he feels pain, anger, and fear. That's what we're feeling now.
Bravo Michael.   :(

Quote from: "teerockjelli"
LOL  :lol: feel him? love to!  ;)
lol more like feel him up.
 :oops:
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: teerockjelli on March 01, 2010, 02:09:10 AM
hee-hee  :lol:
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: bec on March 01, 2010, 02:38:33 AM
Quote from: "Doctor Death"
...Which of course reminds me of that tweet by Conrad Murray-----

"DONT JUDGE ME UNTIL YOU HAVE WALKED IN MY SHOES"

well. well. well. eyes, opened.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: bec on March 01, 2010, 02:45:51 AM
Quote from: "loma"
Even my friends that aren't fans say that I've changed.

I'm with ya. I have made some massive life changes that have hit me in the pocket book really hard but I am so much happier then I was before 6-25. Every single day I am glad I made that change, and continue to do so. I completely reject negativity and gossip and refuse to allow it to control me and refuse to feed it in others. I have ended some relationships and started some new ones and have systematically surrounded myself with postive people, situations, and attitude. I did it all BECAUSE of this hoax, because of my research, and because I stay mindful of WWMJD? Sound lame? Maybe, whateves, works for me. 8 months later, I'm a different person.

I've also turned OFF the TV. Completely.

Life is good. I'm really happy. People notice.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: loma on March 01, 2010, 02:56:00 AM
My mom thinks i'm crazy for living by WWMJD.
She says "He's a 50 year old man!"
I don't care. He's totally changed me for the better.
Sometimes I wish more people would listen to his real message.
He's made being a teenager a whoole lot easier.  :lol:
Don't worry. It's not lame.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: hesoutthere on March 01, 2010, 03:56:00 AM
Quote from: "Doctor Death"
These are my thoughts.....I dont see why people should think I am NUTS just because I wanna share them with other people on a forum.....

If its such a big crime to present a perspctive then shut down the whole forum for god's sake..... :roll:

It seems that a healthy discusion isnt valued here.....anymore....

Look Mr/Mrs/Miss .....I 've spent enough time on my bed to keep me sane......Please dont impose your opinion on me......You dont like it...You dont read it.


I Like your thoughts here.... I think this is MJs message... He want's us to unite nation to nation.. He want's to bring people together world wide in the true meaning of L.O.V.E.... The L.O.V.E we all have for Michael...
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Doctor Death on March 01, 2010, 03:56:27 AM
excuse me for my ignorance but what is WWMJD? :oops:
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: the arabian nights on March 01, 2010, 04:00:04 AM
hi dr death
i can not believe that a sweet soul like mike would want to pile woes on us

he is a father and a very moral person - i cant accept this

wouldnt you want to protect pp, his fans who are innocent from these things

not put them in it and then watch
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: jessicakthx on March 01, 2010, 04:59:05 AM
This makes total sense to me, Doc
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: loyalfan on March 01, 2010, 05:01:36 AM
but dont you think that sometimes for the greater good ...unfortunately the will be damage.......nothing is acheived in life without sacrifice.....and yes i am sure micheal thought about how some would suffer....xxxx
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Doctor Death on March 01, 2010, 05:30:13 AM
Dont forget that new members are joining in every day......There are a lotta people who became Micahel Jackson fans only after his death, like me.

So, MJ could have welcomed this consequence of the hoax, so that new fans who are not THAT familiar with his personality do not have any misconceptions about his actions left in their minds......I can alreday feel the monumental pressure that man took on his head.....And also to those people who have been his fans all along, who might have felt a teeny weeny bit betrayed because of what the media prefers to call his "eccentricities"......This consequence of the hoax JUSt sets the record straight about his life......His insecurities.....But he STILL managed to take all that o his shoulders and kept moving ahead....

...IMO Only Superman can do better.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: tabloidburn on March 01, 2010, 05:31:46 AM
Quote from: "loyalfan"
but dont you think that sometimes for the greater good ...unfortunately the will be damage.......nothing is acheived in life without sacrifice.....and yes i am sure micheal thought about how some would suffer....xxxx


well, this is a l.o.v.e.-war. love against hate, prejudice, ignorance, corruption and whatever else we got ruling this world.
in any war, you have something called 'collateral damage', which is hard, of course when you plan such a thing and there's no way around it. but look what the world is going through, what some people are going through on this planet, and you don't have to look to africa, haiti or south america to see that! those people who are still crying about michael not being here and want him back just to sing and perform, have not understood what he is about in the first place. as long as the outcome outweighs the damage, you have to take it. no way around it.

this is also what this whole trip is teaching us: you don't have to become a member of an organisation to be helpful, to do something. most people ask themselves what they can do, thinking they don't have the means to help, whatever.
you can do so much as smile when you walk down the streets to brighten up someone else's day. take your clothes to charity instead of throwing them in the trash. give your old glasses to charity, there is something anyone can do. stop buying tabloids, stop eating so called 'nutritional supplements' like vitamin pills and anything else commercials are trying to sell you. nobody needs that if they eat healthy enough with fresh fruit and veggies, stop buying processed foods.  and you don't have to 'become a rabbit', just because you don't eat meat or eat organic food. just stop supporting the system that kills you. anyone can do that! start with yourselves!
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: tabloidburn on March 01, 2010, 05:43:43 AM
Quote from: "Doctor Death"
Dont forget that new members are joining in every day......There are a lotta people who became Micahel Jackson fans only after his death, like me.

So, MJ could have welcomed this consequence of the hoax, so that new fans who are not THAT familiar with his personality do not have any misconceptions about his actions left in their minds......I can alreday feel the monumental pressure that man took on his head.....And also to those people who have been his fans all along, who might have felt a teeny weeny bit betrayed because of what the media prefers to call his "eccentricities"......This consequence of the hoax JUSt sets the record straight about his life......His insecurities.....But he STILL managed to take all that o his shoulders and kept moving ahead....

...IMO Only Superman can do better.



 :lol:  oh, really?!?! a minute ago you was about to call me a looney for making that superman-comic-connection (see my post again about that auction...). why you think that association came to me in the first place???  ;) (*giggles*)

but srsly, i feel the same way. because of all that media circus goin' on over the years, you almost didn't get to find out about michael the man vs. his public persona. plus, where i live, you almost didn't get nothing else except the tabloid trash. now and with the help of internet over the last 10smthn years, i was able to conceive a totally different picture of him and how frustrating it must have all been and how very strong he carried himself through all that. always friendly, never freaked, even through the biggest of crowds with a dozen hands grabbing and pulling on him. terrible. and he still didn't throw the same dirt back at people, he just took it and smiled.

i also think that he was terribly underestimated in terms of intellect. like he said in one of his speeches: 'they never thought that i would outthink them'. this is outthinking the whole world, damn there!!! i can't wait how this is all gonna come down. truly genius!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: the arabian nights on March 01, 2010, 06:52:51 AM
yes i think he had the amazing ability to turn the other  cheek and to take it, even in his darkest hour thus i do not believe he wanted us to live his pain, he was sometimes selfless and in this regard i believe he would continue to be

i would not want my family and friends to feel any personal trauma that i have suffered, that would not bring them closer, that would not fix the previous problem, that is cruel.

we do not want our children to suffer what we have suffered - that is progress

there are other ways

i dont believe mike was like that - he had the strength of character not to do this
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Sangre on March 01, 2010, 07:35:06 AM
Nah, I don't think it's the case. I don't know Michael personally, but I think it's safe to predict he wouldn't have done this.

It's kind of a pointless and selfish reason...Maybe it's just me.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: tabloidburn on March 01, 2010, 09:20:22 AM
Quote from: "Sangre"
Nah, I don't think it's the case. I don't know Michael personally, but I think it's safe to predict he wouldn't have done this.

It's kind of a pointless and selfish reason...Maybe it's just me.


it's not selfish as long as the people closest and most important to him are in on it and def understand the purpose of it all. who knows him better than his family? if i was a family member, i would stand there and lie to the world as well and not think bad about it for a split second, if it was to protect my blood.
he really cannot care too much about any other people here. he very probably still does, that's the hard part, but on the other hand, the clues have been thrown out there from day one (ambulance pic? who did seriously think it was real? i didn't, as soon as i saw it, struck me right there.), you just had to look hard enough or start to take some action in finding out why all this stuff looks strange. it's a news bit everyday to show the people that things just won't add up.  
this is also done to find out, how many people DID actually understand what michael is really all about, how strong his concerns really are. and finding out who is really looking, who is starting to investigate, who is really on his side and not 'just' a fan of his music and performances (no offense here, but there are many like that, too, i think). there was no other way to wake up the whole world. and it's working!!! it's michael-time all over again! (sooo clever...! :mrgreen: )

you think his people are not looking into forums like this, checking the net left and right to 'count' the people and read their thoughts? what easier way is there to count numbers than have a 'visitor' count on each page, or have people sign up for certain purposes, create comment sections? add it all together and you will get a huge number, plus some, already! there is monitoring going on as i write this, i'm pretty sure of that. from all sides, that is. one recent newsbit on the fake ambulance tape was discussed here for hours, just to show up as 'breaking news' by the tabloids - 3 hours later!!! not saying, that it was taken from this forum but it could have been anyone where people throw their thoughts around, places just like this one.

that will probably also determine if and when michael decides to show himself to the public again. he will need full support then, because there will still be the ones who are going to turn all this against him. for exactly that: the 'damage' that was caused. other than emotional with the fans and others who believe he is really dead, there is actually no damage done. damage claims are mostly financial, if not always. there is none of that. everybody is making money, everybody is getting their bills paid and there's even more money coming in each day. anything michael jackson has been selling  like hotcakes since last june, all over the world. now, start counting... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Sangre on March 01, 2010, 09:31:39 AM
Making people feel scared and confused seems pretty selfish to me. Besides, it's the fans who are confused, so what did we do to deserve all of that?


Though, you might never know...
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: DooDoo on March 01, 2010, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: "Doctor Death"
These are my thoughts.....I dont see why people should think I am NUTS just because I wanna share them with other people on a forum.....

If its such a big crime to present a perspctive then shut down the whole forum for god's sake..... :roll:

It seems that a healthy discusion isnt valued here.....anymore....

Look Mr/Mrs/Miss .....I 've spent enough time on my bed to keep me sane......Please dont impose your opinion on me......You dont like it...You dont read it.
I think what you exposed it is part of Michael's purpose in this hoax; he wants us to change our perspective, he wants to show us how it really is being Michael Jackson.It is hard. Very.Don't judge a man if haven't walked a mile in his shoes  ;)
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Chamone on March 01, 2010, 09:37:21 AM
I like the way you think, the way you write it, it makes sense.

But still, I don't think this is the case. The confusion we have experienced the past couple of months is NOTHING compared to what MJ has gone through is WHOLE LIFE. His key message in my opinion is LOVE.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on March 01, 2010, 09:44:19 AM
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "loma"
Even my friends that aren't fans say that I've changed.

I'm with ya. I have made some massive life changes that have hit me in the pocket book really hard but I am so much happier then I was before 6-25. Every single day I am glad I made that change, and continue to do so. I completely reject negativity and gossip and refuse to allow it to control me and refuse to feed it in others. I have ended some relationships and started some new ones and have systematically surrounded myself with postive people, situations, and attitude. I did it all BECAUSE of this hoax, because of my research, and because I stay mindful of WWMJD? Sound lame? Maybe, whateves, works for me. 8 months later, I'm a different person.

I've also turned OFF the TV. Completely.

Life is good. I'm really happy. People notice.


Congratulations on my new positive approach to life. 8-)

What is WWMJD :oops:  :roll:

I can be a bit "thick" sometimesLOL :lol:
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Doctor Death on March 01, 2010, 10:20:52 AM
@Chamone

This confusion and turmoil is nothing to what he went through, I know.

But still, It is a good DEMO of what he had to endure.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Chamone on March 01, 2010, 10:25:16 AM
Quote from: "Doctor Death"
@Chamone

This confusion and turmoil is nothing to what he went through, I know.

But still, It is a good DEMO of what he had to endure.
It is!
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: bec on March 01, 2010, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: "Ijustcantstoplovingu"
What is WWMJD :oops:  :roll:

WWMJD?= What would Michael Jackson do?

 :D
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Doctor Death on March 01, 2010, 10:40:00 AM
:oops:

Should've thought about that.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: 2 Bad on March 01, 2010, 03:36:42 PM
"Although you couldnt have put it better, I would like to correct you on the "proving thing"......We CAN prove it.....In more than a 100 ways."

Well Doctor Death we are viewed as 'being in denial' by too many to count. How many times have I been looked at with confusion when I drop a sentence to the fact that I believe he is alive? I don't even have to go into specifics to get that look. Just saying things don't add up and I am not believing all the garbage is enough.
 Yes I am feeling him, I am trying to live my life holding him dear to my heart. He's been in my heart since the 80's and it is so hard to smile when I get that pat on the shoulder that I'll eventually 'have to accept'.
I'm sure each one of us has that feeling of being a one man/woman army with the greatest weapon of LOVE and Truth against the general population that believe everything they hear.
Yes we are feeling him.
If it wasn't for all of you and other forums I may have gone over the edge. Because what my heart says and what has "happened" they just don't jive.
Yes we are feeling him. We have to, in order to continue...
So I "Simmer" and wait for BAMSDAY.
I had a little dream last night, just a glimpse. I woke up laughing which is not normal. But the dream was a lot of people chanting "Michael come out, we need you like you need us" the setting was like in TII with the soldiers and us and the big "M" in the backgound.
That's all we had to focus on, the big rock "M". Then I woke up.

Back to simmering. Love all of you!!! I love Michael!
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: _Dangerous_ on March 01, 2010, 03:57:22 PM
I totally agree wit u :)
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Believe 777 on March 01, 2010, 04:59:18 PM
I think that Michael is not just wanting us to feel him, but to feel in general. For many people, their feelings have become somewhat numbed. He could be causing all sorts of different emotions to shake us up a bit into realizing that we as individuals are needed and that we all have a purpose. The bigger picture is that he has brought many people together in a common cause for love on an unpresidented level. We are here for eachother and many friendships have formed, which it it wasn't for the emotional roller coaster ride we may not do to quite same degree.

I believe that by throwing so many things out that question everything, is making us do just that, question/doubt everything and in the end we learn to connect the dots and also learn to use our intuition.

I personally understand why this is necessary, things needed to be stirred up a bit to get people to use all their senses, including the sixth (intuition), so that we learn how see through the trash. The bigger picture is what needs to be seen and now so many more people are really seeing and feeling it. This has had such a personal effect on everyone and is connecting people together like a spiders web around the World. :D

@ 2 Bad, What a wonderful dream or maybe preminition. I can visualize this very well. Dreams hold a lot of significance ;)
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: 2good2btrue on March 01, 2010, 10:19:03 PM
This site has changed me as a person, and especially as a mother.  It has not only opened up my eyes about what is really going on in this wierd but wonderful world, it has made me a better person.  I didn't really know alot about MJ before, but the more I get to know him, THE MORE I LOVE HIM.  He has this amazing energy about him.  We are all here because we can FEEL IT.  We are spreading his LOVE......his message, his beauty.  He is everywhere. In the stars, the moon, the sun and the trees.............I thankyou Michael.....thankyou for teaching me about the more important things in life, and especially how to LOVE unconditionally.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: ibelieveinmj on March 02, 2010, 12:20:45 AM
Whatever Michael wanted... he received in me!!!!  I agree he wanted us to open our eyes and seek the truth and not only the truth about him, but the world around us.   When we let others be our eyes, ears or voice, in a sense, we choose to stay blind and deaf.  

After 8 months I still feel like I was hit by lightening or something, I have made some changes in my life that weren't easy and if it had been any time before June 25th I'm not sure how I would have handled it.  In the last few weeks I have to admit I have reverted back to feeling sadness about him but just last night I had a dream.  I was in a theatre, filled with people and we were waiting for Michael, we waited so long but there was so much anticipation and everyone was talking with each other.  It was joyful.  I woke up smiling and feeling like I needed to hang on and not give up on him.

If it wasn't for this I would surely feel alone and crazy.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Doctor Death on March 02, 2010, 09:44:09 PM
somtimes I feel kinda sick....I feel I am running after nothing ..Maybe theres no end to this.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: miriam34 on March 02, 2010, 10:36:19 PM
this post is interesting but i think michael no want us to suffer , we always stand up for him...in goods and bads and is no reason why he want hurt his fans ...
i know michael from my 8 years old and i near to 40 , i learn english because him ...and i know he no want make this to his fans but for sure because the media ...
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Doctor Death on March 02, 2010, 10:43:41 PM
@Miriam...

You got it wrong .....

I said that this result of the hoax COULD be intentional/unintentional......

And either way, that doesnt make him a bad person

I am happy to have at least felt for once what he would have felt.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: L.O.V.Eispower on March 03, 2010, 07:23:42 AM
i dnt know if it actually is one of the objectives but it makes a lot of sense 2 me
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: the arabian nights on March 04, 2010, 05:19:39 AM
when the guy only spoke of love, why would he suddenly on the eve of his comeback then decide that his primary or secondary objective is for the public to feel pain, including children from all around the world

this does not make sense. No.

if he wanted us to show empathy or live his experience then maybe writing a further book or doing a television series, but i think all of that is too negative, he was alway a positive person.

he wanted to raise his profile and turn a new leaf (that's what i think) that works if he has passed and if he hoaxed

dont demean all this good work but thinking that he wanted us to feel the misery he felt, because no kind, warm spirited person would evey want that.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Doctor Death on March 04, 2010, 11:11:00 AM
@arabian nights....
 you really didnt get it......

Michael Jackson is not a sadist...he doesnt go around hurting people so that they can feel his pain.....

All I ws saying is that he wanted us and also the many new fans to perceive the reality about his life through these constant revelations that we have been subjected to over the past few months.....the truth behind the shiny curtain.....
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: the arabian nights on March 04, 2010, 01:42:27 PM
Quote from: "Doctor Death"
@arabian nights....
 you really didnt get it......

Michael Jackson is not a sadist...he doesnt go around hurting people so that they can feel his pain.....

All I ws saying is that he wanted us and also the many new fans to perceive the reality about his life through these constant revelations that we have been subjected to over the past few months.....the truth behind the shiny curtain.....

why - a book deal better option, with a tv serial, a movie - this is me, more money - better option - high profile with the this is it
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Doctor Death on March 04, 2010, 11:51:59 PM
The general public opinion had been biased against him ever since the media started dissing him around all over the place......A large section of people had lost faith in hi after the second child abuse accusations....Thanks to the gimicks of broacasters who wanted to show hom in poor light......always......

People had branded him as a freak.......Some people remained loyal....But  a lot of people didnt care as to what he had to say anymore.....Dont take this personally.....But public opinion had swayed greatly against him.

He had been thrust out of the limelight and had his life permanenetly tainted due to the malicious intentions of a few predatory people......Due to the HUGE media circus, the general public had truly forgotten what he was.....His contribution to the industry and to charity........

Under these circumstances, Do you think the people who had come to think of him as a monster, would really have bothered about his BOOK, or TV series?

Aphrodite Jones herself had a hard time trying to get her book published because no publisher would publish it...WHY? BECAUSE SHE HAD SHOWN MICHAEL JACKSON AS AN INNOCENT MAN.....EVERY ONE WANTED TO TAKE HIM DOWN.......DO YOU THINK THAT AFTER ALL THAT MOCKERY THAT WAS MADEOF HIM ON TV AND OTHER TALK SHOWS.....THOSE HORRIBLE CARTOONS PRINTED IN THE NEWS PAPERS.....WOULD ANYONE EVR LISTEN TO HIM? PEOPLE HAD LEARNT TO NEGLECT HIM.......

ONE TO ALL....

His "death" came as a reminder to many people that a monumental figure had left a void that could never be filled.People remembered how many of the modern day artists are influenced by his work...his dance....his concepts.....people once again remembered the King Of Pop.....The Humanitarian.....The humble Do-gooder.....and almost forgot the so-called monster....


And after his "death", when one by one, the curtains got lifted on the truth about his life......People became aware of his true intentions rather than draw premature conclusions based upon the pseudo--persona created by irreponsible journalism based on sensationalism.

Its easier to drive home the truth when people really realise that their judgement had been clouded...that opinions and forced perceptions were IMPOSED on them and now its no use crying over spilt milk......People are angry now.....and even more desperate to know the truth.....

And look, arabian nights, this is for the last time I am gonna offer an explanation......If you get it fine. If you dont, then you're welcome to leave this topic discussion. There are millions of other threads out here.....I dont want people to misunderstand my point of view....I am not a bad man and people shouldnt try to brand me a bad man for no reason at all.........I didnt say for 1 sc that Micahel iontentionally wanted to hurt his fans.....I dont know why you see it that way....I dont know why...the members here are always keep dissing me, no matter which thread I start.


Micahel Jackson had many fans and well wishers.....but all that those fans could do was to leave supportive messages on his doorstep...Or wave at him from beyond the gates...Michael Jackson NEVER DID HAVE A SHOULDER TO CRY ON.......So through this hoax investigation, he took us on a trip..whose....ONE of the objectives....Rather SECONDARY objectives was to make us experience the dismal truth that is so often buried under a heap of LIES.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: GINAFELICIA on March 05, 2010, 03:26:36 AM
I like your post, very interesting.

Remembers me of Mr. V in V for Vendetta telling Evey:

"Yes I created a lie, but because you believed it you found something true about yourself"

Maybe he created this "lie" to "shake us up a little but", like that dancer tells in the beginning of This is it. To make us think, to provoke us to discover and to understand better.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: teerockjelli on March 06, 2010, 12:30:05 PM
Quote from: "Doctor Death"
The general public opinion had been biased against him ever since the media started dissing him around all over the place......A large section of people had lost faith in hi after the second child abuse accusations....Thanks to the gimicks of broacasters who wanted to show hom in poor light......always......

People had branded him as a freak.......Some people remained loyal....But  a lot of people didnt care as to what he had to say anymore.....Dont take this personally.....But public opinion had swayed greatly against him.

He had been thrust out of the limelight and had his life permanenetly tainted due to the malicious intentions of a few predatory people......Due to the HUGE media circus, the general public had truly forgotten what he was.....His contribution to the industry and to charity........

Under these circumstances, Do you think the people who had come to think of him as a monster, would really have bothered about his BOOK, or TV series?

Aphrodite Jones herself had a hard time trying to get her book published because no publisher would publish it...WHY? BECAUSE SHE HAD SHOWN MICHAEL JACKSON AS AN INNOCENT MAN.....EVERY ONE WANTED TO TAKE HIM DOWN.......DO YOU THINK THAT AFTER ALL THAT MOCKERY THAT WAS MADEOF HIM ON TV AND OTHER TALK SHOWS.....THOSE HORRIBLE CARTOONS PRINTED IN THE NEWS PAPERS.....WOULD ANYONE EVR LISTEN TO HIM? PEOPLE HAD LEARNT TO NEGLECT HIM.......

ONE TO ALL....

His "death" came as a reminder to many people that a monumental figure had left a void that could never be filled.People remembered how many of the modern day artists are influenced by his work...his dance....his concepts.....people once again remembered the King Of Pop.....The Humanitarian.....The humble Do-gooder.....and almost forgot the so-called monster....


And after his "death", when one by one, the curtains got lifted on the truth about his life......People became aware of his true intentions rather than draw premature conclusions based upon the pseudo--persona created by irreponsible journalism based on sensationalism.

Its easier to drive home the truth when people really realise that their judgement had been clouded...that opinions and forced perceptions were IMPOSED on them and now its no use crying over spilt milk......People are angry now.....and even more desperate to know the truth.....

And look, arabian nights, this is for the last time I am gonna offer an explanation......If you get it fine. If you dont, then you're welcome to leave this topic discussion. There are millions of other threads out here.....I dont want people to misunderstand my point of view....I am not a bad man and people shouldnt try to brand me a bad man for no reason at all.........I didnt say for 1 sc that Micahel iontentionally wanted to hurt his fans.....I dont know why you see it that way....I dont know why...the members here are always keep dissing me, no matter which thread I start.


Micahel Jackson had many fans and well wishers.....but all that those fans could do was to leave supportive messages on his doorstep...Or wave at him from beyond the gates...Michael Jackson NEVER DID HAVE A SHOULDER TO CRY ON.......So through this hoax investigation, he took us on a trip..whose....ONE of the objectives....Rather SECONDARY objectives was to make us experience the dismal truth that is so often buried under a heap of LIES.

Oh damn the dirt slinging media!! the fact that MJ sold 50 concert dates in a few hours says volumes more than any negative media spin  :lol:  :evil:  8-)  :lol:
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: the arabian nights on March 06, 2010, 01:16:37 PM
it was my understanding that mike wanted to do ten more than prince who opened the 02, he signed for 31(?) the shows sold well and he renegotiated to include films and it was made up to 50.
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Datroot on March 06, 2010, 01:25:44 PM
Quote from: "Doctor Death"
The general public opinion had been biased against him ever since the media started dissing him around all over the place......A large section of people had lost faith in hi after the second child abuse accusations....Thanks to the gimicks of broacasters who wanted to show hom in poor light......always......

People had branded him as a freak.......Some people remained loyal....But  a lot of people didnt care as to what he had to say anymore.....Dont take this personally.....But public opinion had swayed greatly against him.

He had been thrust out of the limelight and had his life permanenetly tainted due to the malicious intentions of a few predatory people......Due to the HUGE media circus, the general public had truly forgotten what he was.....His contribution to the industry and to charity........

Under these circumstances, Do you think the people who had come to think of him as a monster, would really have bothered about his BOOK, or TV series?

Aphrodite Jones herself had a hard time trying to get her book published because no publisher would publish it...WHY? BECAUSE SHE HAD SHOWN MICHAEL JACKSON AS AN INNOCENT MAN.....EVERY ONE WANTED TO TAKE HIM DOWN.......DO YOU THINK THAT AFTER ALL THAT MOCKERY THAT WAS MADEOF HIM ON TV AND OTHER TALK SHOWS.....THOSE HORRIBLE CARTOONS PRINTED IN THE NEWS PAPERS.....WOULD ANYONE EVR LISTEN TO HIM? PEOPLE HAD LEARNT TO NEGLECT HIM.......

ONE TO ALL....

His "death" came as a reminder to many people that a monumental figure had left a void that could never be filled.People remembered how many of the modern day artists are influenced by his work...his dance....his concepts.....people once again remembered the King Of Pop.....The Humanitarian.....The humble Do-gooder.....and almost forgot the so-called monster....


And after his "death", when one by one, the curtains got lifted on the truth about his life......People became aware of his true intentions rather than draw premature conclusions based upon the pseudo--persona created by irreponsible journalism based on sensationalism.

Its easier to drive home the truth when people really realise that their judgement had been clouded...that opinions and forced perceptions were IMPOSED on them and now its no use crying over spilt milk......People are angry now.....and even more desperate to know the truth.....

And look, arabian nights, this is for the last time I am gonna offer an explanation......If you get it fine. If you dont, then you're welcome to leave this topic discussion. There are millions of other threads out here.....I dont want people to misunderstand my point of view....I am not a bad man and people shouldnt try to brand me a bad man for no reason at all.........I didnt say for 1 sc that Micahel iontentionally wanted to hurt his fans.....I dont know why you see it that way....I dont know why...the members here are always keep dissing me, no matter which thread I start.


Micahel Jackson had many fans and well wishers.....but all that those fans could do was to leave supportive messages on his doorstep...Or wave at him from beyond the gates...Michael Jackson NEVER DID HAVE A SHOULDER TO CRY ON.......So through this hoax investigation, he took us on a trip..whose....ONE of the objectives....Rather SECONDARY objectives was to make us experience the dismal truth that is so often buried under a heap of LIES.


Ahhhh Doctor Death, I love your posts xx
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: Doctor Death on March 07, 2010, 10:31:05 AM
Yeah,,,man.....I just hope so.... :roll:
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: teedybear on March 07, 2010, 01:07:45 PM
as a small reminder of Michael s last words (TII):

 Awakening, awareness and LOVE will save the world  ...

As MJ said, love is the key, the scientist who combines science and spirituality also says:"Vibration of love and compassion can save us"..."True force is the language of compassion, the force that holds all life together.
 “I believe that we are making that determination right now”.  by living our lives consciously with intent. ” These are the words of Gregg Braden, author of Fractal Time – The Secret of 2012 .  
Gregg is a believer, as I am, in the consciousness of the Earth and that our combined conscious intent can change how things will eventually turn out. It is up to us, up to you and I, and everyone on this planet to determine what kind of change we want to see. Something will change – what will it be? If we insist on turmoil, hate and destruction then that is what we are going to bring upon ourselves. If, however, we unite in making a difference we can change our world.
Look at Gregg’s simple suggestions. Being kind to one another. The world has had enough of conflict and wars. The population is tired of exploitation and greed. We are yearning for a change and I believe that change will come.
More and more people are opening up to the fact that we are all connected, we are all part a whole, and everyone carries a responsibility towards the whole to do their utmost in bringing good to our world.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s7kTg8NX7k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDgwEFcBlpE
Title: Re: IMO...HE WANTED US TO FEEL HIM.
Post by: word on March 08, 2010, 08:51:35 AM
Dr.Death hit the nail on the head and I believe he's right,but I don't think Michael ever wanted us to feel paranoid,or not in control.
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