Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: Doctor Death on February 26, 2010, 04:55:16 AM

Title: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on February 26, 2010, 04:55:16 AM
Sometimes I do get the feeling that we are being manipulated by AEG in various ways.....Maybe that PAINS thing at the memorial was an unreleased version of the Will U B There song that SONY had access to and fetched it just for the sake of creating this premeditated hoax......And got rid of Michael Jackson?

And buried the truth under a pile of money?


Maybe SONY is purposefully releasing unreleased songs of MJ so that they can evaluate wether a NEW Michael Jackson album containing unreleased stuff is REALLY gonna sell or not....Or to what extent.

Maybe the brothers have been paid off.....to behave erratically and do so intentionally.....Just to keep the buzz going, so that in case a new Micahel Jackson album releases containing unreleased stuff, it isnt short of some ADDITIONAL publicity....because MJ's name will generate publicity enough.....


Maybe TIAI is also their creation......


Maybe Conrad Murray was jusT in the wrong place at the wrong time?......And now has no way to defend himself?



BUT THE ONE THING THAT STANDS IN WAY OF THIS THEORY IS CONRAD MURRAY'S DEFENSE.... FROM WHERE IS HE PAYING FOR 4 LAWYERS! ?

AEG AND SONY CANT PROTECT A  MAN UNNECESSARILY FOREVER!.....PLUS IF AEG AND SONY WERE INVOLVED, MURRAY WOULD TELL THE TRUTH IF ARRESTED......HE WOULD DISCLOSE DETAILS OF AEG'S INVOLVEMENT.......

So therefore the "OMG AEG Killed MJ Theory doesnt stand the test of contradictions...."


....Which brings us to only one conclusion----- " Michael Jackson's This Is It.......Like You Have Never Seen Him Before....."



And please, Dont involve CLAIRVOYANTS and PHSYCIC shit . We've all played those Tarot cards and crystal ball games before
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: _Dangerous_ on February 26, 2010, 05:15:47 AM
mmm... I see your point.. but what r u tryin to show with this ?? :/
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: GirlSaturday on February 26, 2010, 07:21:15 AM
You bring up some interesting observations. Some time ago I was having a conversation  with a non-believer. He is open to listen when I discuss the MJ case without judgement. He posed a question that still has me thinking about it to this day. He asked if it were possible that the hoax itself could be a hoax. Afterall a fake hoax could  revive a massive  interest in Michael and  set the stage for lots of people to make money from Michael's legacy. He posed the question after we had discussed the revolving door that exists for MJ's employees i.e. Frank DeLeo, John Branca, Grace Rwamba, Karen Faye etc.

Quote from: "Doctor Death"
Sometimes I do get the feeling that we are being manipulated by AEG in various ways.....Maybe that PAINS thing at the memorial was an unreleased version of the Will U B There song that SONY had access to and fetched it just for the sake of creating this premeditated hoax......And got rid of Michael Jackson?

And buried the truth under a pile of money?


Maybe SONY is purposefully releasing unreleased songs of MJ so that they can evaluate wether a NEW Michael Jackson album containing unreleased stuff is REALLY gonna sell or not....Or to what extent.

Maybe the brothers have been paid off.....to behave erratically and do so intentionally.....Just to keep the buzz going, so that in case a new Micahel Jackson album releases containing unreleased stuff, it isnt short of some ADDITIONAL publicity....because MJ's name will generate publicity enough.....


Maybe TIAI is also their creation......


Maybe Conrad Murray was jusT in the wrong place at the wrong time?......And now has no way to defend himself?



BUT THE ONE THING THAT STANDS IN WAY OF THIS THEORY IS CONRAD MURRAY'S DEFENSE.... FROM WHERE IS HE PAYING FOR 4 LAWYERS! ?

AEG AND SONY CANT PROTECT A  MAN UNNECESSARILY FOREVER!.....PLUS IF AEG AND SONY WERE INVOLVED, MURRAY WOULD TELL THE TRUTH IF ARRESTED......HE WOULD DISCLOSE DETAILS OF AEG'S INVOLVEMENT.......

So therefore the "OMG AEG Killed MJ Theory doesnt stand the test of contradictions...."


....Which brings us to only one conclusion----- " Michael Jackson's This Is It.......Like You Have Never Seen Him Before....."



And please, Dont involve CLAIRVOYANTS and PHSYCIC shit . We've all played those Tarot cards and crystal ball games before
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Michaelangela on February 26, 2010, 07:29:04 AM
This is exactly what I was thinking, too. With memorial and burial, TII and everything else, could be they are making money this way. I remember watching Mazda's advertisement on YT, it was like a game. And there are people investigating, researching... it felt like what we are doing right now.

I hope the purpose is bigger (L.O.V.E.) message then just Sony and AEG profit. If it turns out to be just for profit, I will never ever never ever never see or buy anything from SONY ever again.

My first step after June 25th, never read any tabloid even if at the hairdressers.

I am courious about This is it concert tickets, I think that was a scam.
When they said, people can keep tickets for souvenir if AEG can keep the money. It's obvious they wanted to make money and I don't think MJ would ever alow that to happen to his fans. It makes you wonder.....

When I bought a ticket for Madonna's concert and she cancelled it, I got money back and I kept the ticket.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: mdc on February 26, 2010, 07:49:30 AM
Well if they are they won't be able to hide the truth forever, and when it's found out the SH*T will hit the fan!

Even with that big stack of money, there won't be any place for them to hide.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: ilprincipe on February 26, 2010, 07:53:40 AM
But I don't think that believers spend more money for MJ memorabilia than
non-believers....

The majority are nonbelievers and they don't buy less MJ memorabilia than the believers...
we spend a lot of time in investigating this whole thing...but not more money..
and like I already mentioned....we are the MINORITY...so there's nothing to gain from us

so...what should be the purpose from AEG?
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Bee Bee on February 26, 2010, 07:59:16 AM
I don't really see how they would profit from having a few thousand people or so believe Michael is still alive. The majority of people believes he's dead, and there are tons of people out there whose interest in Michael was only even awakened because he died. Dead celebrities have something very exciting about them, as it seems, and they become ultimate legends. On the other hand, you have a lot of people, who've been Michael's fans before, and who certainly don't like the idea of him faking his death, meaning they'd probably lose their interest in him if they were really lead to believe he's alive. So...
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: GirlSaturday on February 26, 2010, 08:16:09 AM
The events of June 25, 2009  lured current fans, lost fans and non-fans to be re-introduced to MJ. Tribute magazines, newspapers and books kicked off the stampede. MJ cd's were flying off of the shelves along with other MJ memorablia. Reputable stores, vendors and even bootleggers got in on the action. Current and lost fans anxiously awaited the TII movie, new/old TII single and the TII dvd. Consider the  projects coming from the rest of the Jackson family and the money engine continues to churn. Lots of Mj and Jackson related activites are pending for this year alone: Concert tour, release of new music, tribute shows, fan conventions, more episodes of the reality show etc. AEG is an enormously powerful event planning  organization. They could likely get first bid on major international MJ related events especially if given the go-ahead from SONY and the Jackson Estate. AEG has quite a lot to gain.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on February 26, 2010, 08:24:05 AM
If AEG paid murray to take 2 to 4 yrs in jail 4 it, no murray would not rat them out.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: jill on February 26, 2010, 08:39:55 AM
I have wondered if AEG and Sony were behind the hoax as well.  The news said that AEG paid for the Memorial Service at the Staples Center.  If that is the case, I am sure they had a say in who performed and what was performed. From all the crazy stuff that happened at the Memorial we know that is when most people started to doubt Michael's death.  LaToya said she planned the Memorial Service when she was interviewed by Barbara Walters, but I seriously doubt she is able to put together anything that complex!  

I read a blog somewhere from one of the Technicians from This Is It.  He said there were only a handful of people involved with the show that were allowed by AEG to speak about the Show.  He said Kenny Ortega was told by an AEG executive to film Michael Jackson from the time he stepped foot on the property for rehearsals, because they doubted he would complete the shows.  That leads me to think they could have planning to get rid of him to begin with.  It is interesting how Kenny Ortega changed his story about Michael's health.  At first he said Michael was very thin and he was concerned.  He said he even fed Michael himself to make sure he ate.  Then after the memorial all he could talk about was what great shape he was in and how excited he was to do the This Is It Tour!

AEG is definately involved up to their eyeballs!  I pray every day the truth will come out.  I certainly hope Michael out smarted them and is behind the hoax.  I have a gut feeling there is something really sinister going on.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: mdc on February 26, 2010, 08:42:11 AM
What exactly would they gain from us believing he's still alive? I could see the logic in them wanting him dead, but why go through all the trouble of making a few believe otherwise?
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: imabeliever2 on February 26, 2010, 08:44:17 AM
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
The events of June 25, 2009  lured current fans, lost fans and non-fans to be re-introduced to MJ. Tribute magazines, newspapers and books kicked off the stampede. MJ cd's were flying off of the shelves along with other MJ memorablia. Reputable stores, vendors and even bootleggers got in on the action. Current and lost fans anxiously awaited the TII movie, new/old TII single and the TII dvd. Consider the  projects coming from the rest of the Jackson family and the money engine continues to churn. Lots of Mj and Jackson related activites are pending for this year alone: Concert tour, release of new music, tribute shows, fan conventions, more episodes of the reality show etc. AEG is an enormously powerful event planning  organization. They could likely get first bid on major international MJ related events especially if given the go-ahead from SONY and the Jackson Estate. AEG has quite a lot to gain.

Quote from: i[MISS]my[KING]
If AEG paid murray to take 2 to 4 yrs in jail 4 it, no murray would not rat them out

Exactly and so does Sony as well as Tommy Mottola.  And 4 years in jail to be financially set for life would be worth it all.  I just hope that Murray won't be able to handle the pressure and breaks!
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: jill on February 26, 2010, 08:49:44 AM
I read on another thread last night that in the contract MJ was only required to be on stage for a small amount of time for each show.  I am sure he was planning to use doubles on the tour.  One of the impersonators from Romania said he was contracted to be on the This Is It Tour in London, and was planning to leave the day he heard the news of MJ's demise.  There are so many doubles out there I have wondered if they plan on using them to make people believe he is back.

This is just something I have considered.  I am not saying this is something I firmly believe.  I know it sounds out there but so is the whole hoax conception if you think about it.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: mdc on February 26, 2010, 08:58:13 AM
Quote from: "jill"
I read on another thread last night that in the contract MJ was only required to be on stage for a small amount of time for each show.  I am sure he was planning to use doubles on the tour.  One of the impersonators from Romania said he was contracted to be on the This Is It Tour in London, and was planning to leave the day he heard the news of MJ's demise.  There are so many doubles out there I have wondered if they plan on using them to make people believe he is back.

This is just something I have considered.  I am not saying this is something I firmly believe.  I know it sounds out there but so is the whole hoax conception if you think about it.

What about the other Jacksons? Do you think a double would fool his children? Do you think they would go along with such a thing?
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: imabeliever2 on February 26, 2010, 09:13:40 AM
Quote from: "mdc"
Quote from: "jill"
I read on another thread last night that in the contract MJ was only required to be on stage for a small amount of time for each show.  I am sure he was planning to use doubles on the tour.  One of the impersonators from Romania said he was contracted to be on the This Is It Tour in London, and was planning to leave the day he heard the news of MJ's demise.  There are so many doubles out there I have wondered if they plan on using them to make people believe he is back.

This is just something I have considered.  I am not saying this is something I firmly believe.  I know it sounds out there but so is the whole hoax conception if you think about it.

What about the other Jacksons? Do you think a double would fool his children? Do you think they would go along with such a thing?


Ok, I'm trying very hard not to post so much, but Its hard to bypass these threads.  
I thought about the very same thing.  There are so many MJ doubles and as we discovered yesterday, with some, you can't tell the difference.  My question is, whats up with all the doubles?  Are they trying to trick us for a purpose?  As I posted in another thread about a month ago, I've gotten to the point that that I've seen so many Michael Jackson's that I can't remember what he looks like anymore.  And you're right, this "death hoax" is really a strange situation. And yes, they could posible send a MJ imposter back claiming to be MJ and we truthfully would never know the difference.  Only his immediate family would be able to by recognized birth marks.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: illusionist on February 26, 2010, 09:29:05 AM
Perhaps the hoax is to distract the fans and pit them against each other so no one is paying too close attention to what's really going on with the estate?
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: kingofmystery on February 26, 2010, 09:34:03 AM
One answer would settle the question in my mind:  
Who planned the televised Liberian Girl themed "funeral'?  Jackson family or AEG?  Or someone else?
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: jill on February 26, 2010, 10:06:33 AM
Quote from: "mdc"
Quote from: "jill"
I read on another thread last night that in the contract MJ was only required to be on stage for a small amount of time for each show.  I am sure he was planning to use doubles on the tour.  One of the impersonators from Romania said he was contracted to be on the This Is It Tour in London, and was planning to leave the day he heard the news of MJ's demise.  There are so many doubles out there I have wondered if they plan on using them to make people believe he is back.

This is just something I have considered.  I am not saying this is something I firmly believe.  I know it sounds out there but so is the whole hoax conception if you think about it.

What about the other Jacksons? Do you think a double would fool his children? Do you think they would go along with such a thing?

The Jacksons or the children would not be fooled.  Apparently they don't have much say in what AEG or Sony does with the Michael Jackson name.  John Branca was the one that had the say in who would accept the award at the Grammy's for Michael.  The Jackson family were not even invited!  I read somewhere that Michael's contract with Sony was not supposed to end until January 2011.  They have control of his music until that time.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: jill on February 26, 2010, 10:08:23 AM
Quote from: "kingofmystery"
One answer would settle the question in my mind:  
Who planned the televised Liberian Girl themed "funeral'?  Jackson family or AEG?  Or someone else?

That is THE question!  If it was Michael, then he is behind it if it was AEG, who knows what their agenda is!
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: jill on February 26, 2010, 10:09:59 AM
I'm glad to see I am not the only who has been pondering these things.  I was leary of creating a post, though!
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: sailya on February 26, 2010, 10:48:07 AM
Dear friends,do you remember the "Awareness" from TS's message?
Do you remember the "world's situation" TS told?
"in what will go down in HIStory as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation. " do you remember it ?
Don't forget we are Michael's Army of L.O.V.E.

Maybe, one needs to be brave enough to keep believing.
But personaly when I feel lost,I would ask myself:"Am I sure about these negative questioning?No,I'm not sure."
So maybe let it go and focus on positive is the right way. :)
GOD BLESS:)
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Michaelangela on February 26, 2010, 11:03:16 AM
Quote from: "illusionist"
Perhaps the hoax is to distract the fans and pit them against each other so no one is paying too close attention to what's really going on with the estate?

Good point. We have to be open to any possibility.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 26, 2010, 11:04:24 AM
Quote from: "imabeliever2"
Quote from: "mdc"
Quote from: "jill"
I read on another thread last night that in the contract MJ was only required to be on stage for a small amount of time for each show.  I am sure he was planning to use doubles on the tour.  One of the impersonators from Romania said he was contracted to be on the This Is It Tour in London, and was planning to leave the day he heard the news of MJ's demise.  There are so many doubles out there I have wondered if they plan on using them to make people believe he is back.

This is just something I have considered.  I am not saying this is something I firmly believe.  I know it sounds out there but so is the whole hoax conception if you think about it.

What about the other Jacksons? Do you think a double would fool his children? Do you think they would go along with such a thing?


Ok, I'm trying very hard not to post so much, but Its hard to bypass these threads.  
I thought about the very same thing.  There are so many MJ doubles and as we discovered yesterday, with some, you can't tell the difference.  My question is, whats up with all the doubles?  Are they trying to trick us for a purpose?  As I posted in another thread about a month ago, I've gotten to the point that that I've seen so many Michael Jackson's that I can't remember what he looks like anymore.  And you're right, this "death hoax" is really a strange situation. And yes, they could posible send a MJ imposter back claiming to be MJ and we truthfully would never know the difference.  Only his immediate family would be able to by recognized birth marks.


yes you and me could be twins

@ at dr death - public/professional insurance
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 26, 2010, 11:10:07 AM
Quote from: "jill"
Quote from: "mdc"
Quote from: "jill"
I read on another thread last night that in the contract MJ was only required to be on stage for a small amount of time for each show.  I am sure he was planning to use doubles on the tour.  One of the impersonators from Romania said he was contracted to be on the This Is It Tour in London, and was planning to leave the day he heard the news of MJ's demise.  There are so many doubles out there I have wondered if they plan on using them to make people believe he is back.

This is just something I have considered.  I am not saying this is something I firmly believe.  I know it sounds out there but so is the whole hoax conception if you think about it.

What about the other Jacksons? Do you think a double would fool his children? Do you think they would go along with such a thing?

The Jacksons or the children would not be fooled.  Apparently they don't have much say in what AEG or Sony does with the Michael Jackson name.  John Branca was the one that had the say in who would accept the award at the Grammy's for Michael.  The Jackson family were not even invited!  I read somewhere that Michael's contract with Sony was not supposed to end until January 2011.  They have control of his music until that time.

surely sony only have control of the old stuff

the jackson family has no control - we dont know what the trust document says but the children are minors

so the pp who have control are aeg for the TII stuff and tour with the dancers

the estate has control of mj's estate

the family have little say - they have no control

but maybe there is no one who could take that type of control  and mj knew it

the michael jackson brand is in the hands of others

i am sure the family hate that - but what can they do etc live with it and take the allowance given
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 26, 2010, 11:10:31 AM
maybe the family need to move on
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 26, 2010, 11:12:51 AM
but you have not expand the mj element
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on February 26, 2010, 11:16:08 AM
I started this thread because I had been wondering for a long time that wha exactly were the chances of Michael Jackson being murdered in case this were not a hoax. And if that was so, then what could be the events that have occurred in h past 7 months that could contradict the murder theory?

So far, the only thing that contradicts it is the way the Conrad Murray case is being handled. I mean, everyone is so freaking flaccid! Its like no ones bothered at all!

The way he is being protected is what bothers me.......

Plus that e-mail exchanged between Mo and the Coroner where he says that Micahel Jackson's death certificate is bogus and that signing it would amount to fraud.

Apart from that every other aspect of the hoax could be the handiwork of either AEG or MJ himself......

I say AEG COULD be manipulating us.....COULD.....just a possibility....
Heres why:

1.AEG and SONY offer Murray a deal of a lifetime and he knows that he will get what he is promised because if he doesnt get his share, he is gonna tell all of it to the police.
Then, Murray or some other guy takes MJ down and all the drama begins.

2.The brothers who have been eating off MJ's hands for years now, are made to see the shinier side of the coin...and they agree to join in...knowing, once again that their promises will be kept....Same for the dancers...Because AEG and SONY needs them to maintain their silence.

They are asked to make all these weird slip-ups....Just to get the thing going...Becasue they know that there WILL be fans who will think this to be a hoax....and delve into it.....And so these people go about acting NUTS leading us all to believe that MJ  is alive and the family is protecting him and sending us messages.

The thing that contradicts the second point is Janet....She is not the type of girl who would transform into this money-hungry bitch.....No....she wouldnt do that to MJ.But who knows? A lotta people who claimed to  have been close to MJ have betrayed MJ over the years....It wouldnt surprise me if she did.


3.Others like LIz Taylor and McCulkin are kept in the dark...They dont know anything about it.....So is Katherine.

4.FOR THE HOAX BELIEVERS :The weirdness in the Movie, The BAM statement, The "I am alive forever" thing, could have been done by AEG-sony , because they are the ones pulling the strings if MJ is dead. They know we will pick these up as potential clues and start investigating......They've got us HOOKED into this, and they know we wont let go until HE shows up.

Release stuff like "Fake ambulance pics,,,Fake 911 call...." into the media to gt us further assured that we were right all along.....And we follow this with rejuvenated interest.

5.FOR THE NON BELEIVERS: They have got the attention of the hoax believer community.....Now they know veryone wont buy the story o MJ being alive, SO to trap the non-believers, they create this gigantic MIX-UP in the TRIALS....."Murray will face murder charges...."Murray will surrender today" ....."Murray surrender postponed"......"Murray will face manslughter charge"...."Murray surrender postponed again"....."Murray's lawyer says he has no idea of whats going on"....."DA says no case against Murray"....and so on.....
..Murray's out on bail and they keep postponing the trial thing forever. This fuels anger among MJ fans who believe that hes gone. So, in an emotional fit, they hit the Record stores with a vengeance (JUST LIKE AFTER JUNE 25), just to show their SUPPORT......Further sales, Further profit!

They keep delaying the whole thing givin gone excuse after the other...ANd no ones gonna ask them either, coz they are not answerable to the media in this case. Simply because they are still clean in the public eye...They have made the general public feel that they have nothing to do with all of this.....And that they are TRYING TO PRESERVE HIS LEGACY BY DOING ALL THESE AUTOGRAPH SIGNING EVENTS.....MEMORABILLIA EXHIBITION.....AUCTIONS and so on.

6.Now that they have all the attentioin they need, they can keep releasing previously unreleased stuff in the form of new posthumous albums.......FURTHER PROFIT.

When SONY-AEG have dug enough gold..with the Jackson brothers have had enough publicity to earn them selves an occassional place at some Talent hunt contest on TV.....Plus innumerable appearances on the red carpet......When all the loot has been taken-----

Then Murray gets charge with Manslaughter-- No Problem for him coz he's fine as long as he has his money----People celebrate and finally the hysteria dies down.


NOTE: I DO NOT MEAN TO , IN ANY WAY, DISCARD THE POSSIBILITY OF MJ BEING BEHIND THE HOAX.....I AM JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT IF AEG-SONY WERE BEHIND THIS, THIS IS HOW THEY'D PROBABLY DO IT.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: ILWOLVES on February 26, 2010, 11:50:29 AM
:mrgreen:
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: outtamylife09 on February 26, 2010, 12:05:23 PM
Hi all -

My first post.

Let me start by saying I'm a life-long fan, had tix for TII London, and *hope* that this is a hoax and MJ is going to blow us away when all is revealed.

However, knowing his brilliant mind and calculated moves as a world-class entertainer, it's obvious to me that someone like MJ would have had something planned in the event anything ever happened to him. Think about it. He would instinctively know that there would be a certain percentage of folks who would cry hoax no matter the circumstances - that's human nature, right? With a little bit of help, some good planning, and some extra footage here and there, the hoax crowd could be wooed indefinitely and strung along with bits and pieces of planted information. I wouldn't be shocked at all if MJ had filmed a mock funeral, etc. for this exact purpose. Point being, MJ is the kind of person who was very conscious of his place in entertainment history, determined to cement himself as the greatest of all time (which he undoubtedly IS, IMO) and this doesn't necessarily mean it was a last minute hoax strung together randomly with or without anyone else's conscious participation. I'd almost bet this life after death thing was a conscious decision made years ago in the event of his passing.

With no disrespect implied, there WERE signs that MJ was tired of what his life had become. He was a victim of his own eccentricities - much like the FEAR article states. Is there any chance that he was ready to leave this world? I would be much more inclined to believe this scenario over murder.

Regardless of how it happened, *if it happened*, AEG is a huge conglomerate full of creative people. Of course they're going to milk every penny out of all of this, with MJ's help or not. That's what they do, right? And as far as his family goes, I'm not sure that any of them have the smarts to be "in" on something. My take is that they're (sadly) using all of this as a vehicle to promote their own self-interests - which is what entertainer's do, right? And that is more of a commentary on the decline of society and our values more than anything else.

I don't know. I hope I'm wrong. And I'm seriously not trying to be a negative Ned. Just sharing my thoughts as I try to find the truth that works for me.

Again, I would love if MJ was playing us all and on the verge of teaching the whole world something about love, respect, and integrity -all things the world is sorely missing these days.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: bec on February 26, 2010, 12:45:19 PM
AEG stood to make significantly more money from a completed concert series spanning 7-8 months then from an untimely death without completeing even a single performance, which could have been taped and sold and would have presented much better then "rehearsal" footage.

Liberian girl theme was under control of the Jackson family only.

You would have to believe the entire Jackson family are psychopatic crazies with no emotion and worse, agreed to go along with the entire charade surrounding their dead family member. INCLUDING Paris, an 11yo girl, who shed not a single tear at the memorial.

5000 or so odd hoax believers aren't a big enough demographic to bother with.

If this was a corporate hoax the clues would be significantly more obvious and plentiful. You wouldn't have to do serious research to uncover them all, they'd jump right out and bite you.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on February 26, 2010, 01:16:51 PM
How about hiring some creative writers for the purpose?.....They can be found in plenty IMO.....

 IMO Making profits out of an unfinished concert is very easy.....because the very feeling that it was MJ and THE MAN was about to return but "his life got tragically cut short" stuff kindles the nostalgia and a sense of unfulfilment in people.....So, basically , people will never wanna let go and so AEG-SONY have bought themselves potential customers for the next few months...the same timeline for which the concerts would have happened....The plan would be to keep rekindling that  feeling of unfulfilment again and again through these exhibitions and autograph signing sessoins and all. All these things provides them with a big window to sell a lotta merchandise....auction some of them off....Even make stuff that wasnt part of the orginal TII Concerts and sell them off as a part of TII merchandise for some extra profit.

I dont expect emotions from the brothers if they were a part of AEG' scheme.....A far as the children are concerned...well, what can I say? If one tries to analyze their reaction on this forum, one gets bashed up by other members. So I left  that out while writing this.


I did mention a possible way to manipulate the non believers.......

(a) Either incline them to believing by releasing stuff like "Fake 911 call detected"

"Fake ambulance call detected".....This increases the traffic to hoax forums lik these..

(b) Keep the Murray trial alive and ticking for at least a few months......Which keeps the bitter feeling alive andd culminates in people findind it hard to resist buying some MJ stuff anywhere.....


Look, I am not saying that THIS is what HAS happened....I am just trying to weigh the possible options.....And even I mentioned in my post that there are facts that contradict AEG-SONY manipulation......I am jut trying to think how things would turn out if HE were really a victim of these corporate heavyweights.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: paula-c on February 26, 2010, 01:39:52 PM
But all siblings acting strangely, they are paying for, I believe, and Michael's mother said nothing. And if true, is more people believe to have died than those who do not believe it. 8-)
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: jill on February 26, 2010, 01:53:10 PM
I have a feeling there are a lot more people that believe it is a hoax rather than a murder.  Just about anyone I have talked to about it suspects something isn't right about the whole thing.  The last poll I saw taken was 78% believed he was still alive.  They may not be a part of this forum, but there are others out there doing their own individual research and questioning.

I know not everyone buys into the Illuminati theory, but if they are involved there is not telling what their motives could be for the hoax.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: letstalkagain on February 26, 2010, 02:02:25 PM
Well does'nt mystery and intrigue keep Michaels name on your lips.  One side says one thing and the other side says something different.  Total contradictions !!  So either, they want to keep our interest and/or to be involved to keep Michaels name alive.  Or  either they want tomake everything so complex that we will eventually give up.   Me, I think they want to keep the mystery alive, which in turn keeps us interested In MJ which in their eyes will also keep us as cash customers.  I mean look at all qof the sites created some by Sony, after MJ's death.  The more people who vist these sites the more money they make, Look at the advertisements on ntheses sites.  So it is in their best interest to keep the hoax thoughts going.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 26, 2010, 02:10:50 PM
Quote from: "outtamylife09"
Hi all -

My first post.

Let me start by saying I'm a life-long fan, had tix for TII London, and *hope* that this is a hoax and MJ is going to blow us away when all is revealed.

However, knowing his brilliant mind and calculated moves as a world-class entertainer, it's obvious to me that someone like MJ would have had something planned in the event anything ever happened to him. Think about it. He would instinctively know that there would be a certain percentage of folks who would cry hoax no matter the circumstances - that's human nature, right? With a little bit of help, some good planning, and some extra footage here and there, the hoax crowd could be wooed indefinitely and strung along with bits and pieces of planted information. I wouldn't be shocked at all if MJ had filmed a mock funeral, etc. for this exact purpose. Point being, MJ is the kind of person who was very conscious of his place in entertainment history, determined to cement himself as the greatest of all time (which he undoubtedly IS, IMO) and this doesn't necessarily mean it was a last minute hoax strung together randomly with or without anyone else's conscious participation. I'd almost bet this life after death thing was a conscious decision made years ago in the event of his passing.

With no disrespect implied, there WERE signs that MJ was tired of what his life had become. He was a victim of his own eccentricities - much like the FEAR article states. Is there any chance that he was ready to leave this world? I would be much more inclined to believe this scenario over murder.

Regardless of how it happened, *if it happened*, AEG is a huge conglomerate full of creative people. Of course they're going to milk every penny out of all of this, with MJ's help or not. That's what they do, right? And as far as his family goes, I'm not sure that any of them have the smarts to be "in" on something. My take is that they're (sadly) using all of this as a vehicle to promote their own self-interests - which is what entertainer's do, right? And that is more of a commentary on the decline of society and our values more than anything else.

I don't know. I hope I'm wrong. And I'm seriously not trying to be a negative Ned. Just sharing my thoughts as I try to find the truth that works for me.

Again, I would love if MJ was playing us all and on the verge of teaching the whole world something about love, respect, and integrity -all things the world is sorely missing these days.

first post and a brillant post - welcome
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 26, 2010, 02:13:19 PM
Quote from: "bec"
AEG stood to make significantly more money from a completed concert series spanning 7-8 months then from an untimely death without completeing even a single performance, which could have been taped and sold and would have presented much better then "rehearsal" footage.

Liberian girl theme was under control of the Jackson family only.

You would have to believe the entire Jackson family are psychopatic crazies with no emotion and worse, agreed to go along with the entire charade surrounding their dead family member. INCLUDING Paris, an 11yo girl, who shed not a single tear at the memorial.

5000 or so odd hoax believers aren't a big enough demographic to bother with.

If this was a corporate hoax the clues would be significantly more obvious and plentiful. You wouldn't have to do serious research to uncover them all, they'd jump right out and bite you.

bec i like your post
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: deepu priyanka on February 26, 2010, 02:14:33 PM
I THINK BOTH MJ AS WELL AS AEG  R BEHIND THIS HOAX CAUSE SINCE MJ'S DEATH THERE R SO MANY INCONSISTENCIES N WEIRD THINGS GOING ON.. D.C TO AMBULANCE PIC TO 911 CALL ,  MAINLY FAMILY HINTS BEING THROWN TO PUBLIC.. IN MJ DRIVING LICENSE , MIDDLE NAME WAS JOE N IN 2003 TRIAL DOCUMENTS  IT IS JOE AGAIN WHICH I HAVE SEEN SOMEWHERE... N WHY THE HELL HIS NAME BECOMES JOSEPH IN D.C .........  THE AMBULANCE PIC WAS AGAIN CONFIRMED FAKE BY OXMAN THE FAMILY LAWYER..  IF MJ WAS REALLY MURDERED , THE FAMILY WOULD HAD ACTED DIFFERENTLY , BUT NOT LIKE THIS. IF WE THINK ABOUT THE MURRAY THINK ,IT LOOKS MORE LIKE HIDE AND SEEK GAME TO ME THAN MURDER TRIAL N I THINK THEY R JUST USING HIM. LIKE SOMEONE SAID AEG N SONY WOULD NEVER PROFIT FROM HAVING MINORITY OF US BELIEVING THAT  THIS IS A HOAX. WHAT I MEAN IS THIS IS JUST A HOAX N ALL THE CHARACTERS INVOLVED R JUST ACTORS NOTHING ELSE... I THINK MJ IS BEHIND ALLTHIS... HE IS MASTER OF THE GAME..........
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 26, 2010, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: "Doctor Death"
How about hiring some creative writers for the purpose?.....They can be found in plenty IMO.....

 IMO Making profits out of an unfinished concert is very easy.....because the very feeling that it was MJ and THE MAN was about to return but "his life got tragically cut short" stuff kindles the nostalgia and a sense of unfulfilment in people.....So, basically , people will never wanna let go and so AEG-SONY have bought themselves potential customers for the next few months...the same timeline for which the concerts would have happened....The plan would be to keep rekindling that  feeling of unfulfilment again and again through these exhibitions and autograph signing sessoins and all. All these things provides them with a big window to sell a lotta merchandise....auction some of them off....Even make stuff that wasnt part of the orginal TII Concerts and sell them off as a part of TII merchandise for some extra profit.

I dont expect emotions from the brothers if they were a part of AEG' scheme.....A far as the children are concerned...well, what can I say? If one tries to analyze their reaction on this forum, one gets bashed up by other members. So I left  that out while writing this.


I did mention a possible way to manipulate the non believers.......

(a) Either incline them to believing by releasing stuff like "Fake 911 call detected"

"Fake ambulance call detected".....This increases the traffic to hoax forums lik these..

(b) Keep the Murray trial alive and ticking for at least a few months......Which keeps the bitter feeling alive andd culminates in people findind it hard to resist buying some MJ stuff anywhere.....


Look, I am not saying that THIS is what HAS happened....I am just trying to weigh the possible options.....And even I mentioned in my post that there are facts that contradict AEG-SONY manipulation......I am jut trying to think how things would turn out if HE were really a victim of these corporate heavyweights.

yes can see that
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: airieslady on February 26, 2010, 06:52:32 PM
OK, so if Michael was victim of corporate heavyweights and their hoax setup,  then what is keeping the two Reverands, Jesse and Al quiet?  These religious men are being paid off too?  I really don't think so.  They would be loudmouthing everywhere!  Good theory though, but what do you have to say about the "Two Rev's"???  ;)
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: MYLOVELYONE on February 26, 2010, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: "Doctor Death"
Sometimes I do get the feeling that we are being manipulated by AEG in various ways.....Maybe that PAINS thing at the memorial was an unreleased version of the Will U B There song that SONY had access to and fetched it just for the sake of creating this premeditated hoax......And got rid of Michael Jackson?

And buried the truth under a pile of money?


Maybe SONY is purposefully releasing unreleased songs of MJ so that they can evaluate wether a NEW Michael Jackson album containing unreleased stuff is REALLY gonna sell or not....Or to what extent.

Maybe the brothers have been paid off.....to behave erratically and do so intentionally.....Just to keep the buzz going, so that in case a new Micahel Jackson album releases containing unreleased stuff, it isnt short of some ADDITIONAL publicity....because MJ's name will generate publicity enough.....


Maybe TIAI is also their creation......


Maybe Conrad Murray was jusT in the wrong place at the wrong time?......And now has no way to defend himself?



BUT THE ONE THING THAT STANDS IN WAY OF THIS THEORY IS CONRAD MURRAY'S DEFENSE.... FROM WHERE IS HE PAYING FOR 4 LAWYERS! ?

AEG AND SONY CANT PROTECT A  MAN UNNECESSARILY FOREVER!.....PLUS IF AEG AND SONY WERE INVOLVED, MURRAY WOULD TELL THE TRUTH IF ARRESTED......HE WOULD DISCLOSE DETAILS OF AEG'S INVOLVEMENT.......

So therefore the "OMG AEG Killed MJ Theory doesnt stand the test of contradictions...."


....Which brings us to only one conclusion----- " Michael Jackson's This Is It.......Like You Have Never Seen Him Before....."



And please, Dont involve CLAIRVOYANTS and PHSYCIC shit . We've all played those Tarot cards and crystal ball games before

umm.. well the thing is this is odd right I dont share some point of view but it is your opinion well I'm really concerned with Murray whatever happens we must find the truth furthermore if it will hurt
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on February 26, 2010, 10:38:22 PM
Hey, I think I made it clear that I was just exploring a possibility....This necessaarily wouldnt have happened and I am not trying to hammer or impose my theory into your brains...Like all other theories, this one too has pitfalls.

I am inclined more towards the DEA theory though.....Thats one theory thats still valid.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: MJonmind on February 27, 2010, 12:12:52 AM
I believe Mj has set this hoax up with a whole of faith needed for the fans to see him behind it all. I believe only a genius heart of love could be this creative, complex and motivated. MJ  has cryptically put the hoax in his songs for years.All of his family, children, associates, staff can't all be so money hungry or quietly go along, that they would go against him collectively. Michael was not forcably hurried to complete the Dome project, the Fated book, the TII concert rehearsals in HD, completed a week or so just before he died, rather he was completing before the hoax deadline. Where is the film project with surprises he promised Geraldo a couple of years ago? Where's the Ghost ll Paris said she wanted to act in . Like someone said on another thread we're all in live 4D Thriller ll and Ghost ll. To truly know Michael is to believe him in this. Like Light man he is slowly being reavealed to us. In our investigation we are getting to know the good and "bad" and incredible detail about his life, on full display, more than almost any person has been examined, sort of like the Truman Show movie, and like Jim Carey did he figured everything out and broke free and the world loved him and cheered. Just my reaction :)
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: kelly wright on February 27, 2010, 10:22:17 AM
Quote from: "mdc"
What exactly would they gain from us believing he's still alive? I could see the logic in them wanting him dead, but why go through all the trouble of making a few believe otherwise?
                                                                                                                                                                                                              The more that Mj is on people's mind {intrigue } the more they buy the Cds ,the movie ,the Mj related products ,Tv specials ,book deals etc , Some people that were not interested in MJ before he died, are now interested "because of the Hoax " see how that leads to MONEY !And there are way more than a few people that think Mj faked his death . I saw a poll somewhere that said  something like 75% of the people that took the poll think Mj is alive .
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Sangre on February 27, 2010, 10:39:57 AM
Here we go again with the hoax being a hoax theory. I don't believe it.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: kelly wright on February 27, 2010, 10:57:54 AM
Quote from: "airieslady"
OK, so if Michael was victim of corporate heavyweights and their hoax setup,  then what is keeping the two Reverands, Jesse and Al quiet?  These religious men are being paid off too?  I really don't think so.  They would be loudmouthing everywhere!  Good theory though, but what do you have to say about the "Two Rev's"???  ;)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Maybe ,it is Fear that keeps them quiet . Why did Mariah Cary say that she did not say those things to Mj that he said ,she said about Tommy Matolla  {killer thriller speech} Fear ? I saw a video of Kanye on ,I think it was DR Freemason on U-tube ,talking about how hes" sold his soul to the devil "{ he has Bob Dylan on there too } and that artist were too concerned with money and" losing they houses "They are afraid someone might ,say....... Accuse them of something they did not do, to destroy their ability to earn Money . Like they did with MJ ,by conspiring to accuse Mj of child molestation .Interesting ,that one of the few people {Evan Chandaler } That may have had answers as to who else was involved with him {taped phone conversation } winds up dead . Jordie was just a kid ,so he is probably safe . The Arviso broad was just stupid and weak and easily manipulated ,of course they knew this ahead of time from  Leno ,Tucker ,Lopez . And then suddenly after she speaks to the same Lawyer & therapist used in the Chandaler case ,she decides ,coincidentally , that Mj is a child molester . Conspiracy all the way . Maybe it is both Fear and money . But Fear is a driving force that makes people do things they would NEVER do otherwise . Fear is stronger than money { 911 ,terror ,terror , terror . Terror is what caused congress & the American  :o  :o people to give up their rights ! {see Patriot Act } and what helped drive that terror ? MEDIA ,mostly owned by the power elite !!! What a coincidink !
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: lraving on February 27, 2010, 12:31:09 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
I believe Mj has set this hoax up with a whole of faith needed for the fans to see him behind it all. I believe only a genius heart of love could be this creative, complex and motivated. MJ  has cryptically put the hoax in his songs for years.All of his family, children, associates, staff can't all be so money hungry or quietly go along, that they would go against him collectively. Michael was not forcably hurried to complete the Dome project, the Fated book, the TII concert rehearsals in HD, completed a week or so just before he died, rather he was completing before the hoax deadline. Where is the film project with surprises he promised Geraldo a couple of years ago? Where's the Ghost ll Paris said she wanted to act in . Like someone said on another thread we're all in live 4D Thriller ll and Ghost ll. To truly know Michael is to believe him in this. Like Light man he is slowly being reavealed to us. In our investigation we are getting to know the good and "bad" and incredible detail about his life, on full display, more than almost any person has been examined, sort of like the Truman Show movie, and like Jim Carey did he figured everything out and broke free and the world loved him and cheered. Just my reaction :)

I like your Truman Show comparism. It really is how it feels, but reversed. In the movie everybody knew that it was all a show and fake but Truman. When he decided to really follow his heart and found the strenght to face his fears he found the truth.
In this case, the whole world is Truman. And the message is to L.O.V.E. and to follow your heart, that's when you find the truth.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on February 27, 2010, 12:39:19 PM
BTW, An important information--------

Go check out my thread regarding the latest TIAI redirect in the TIAI forum.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Chamone on February 27, 2010, 12:45:58 PM
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
You bring up some interesting observations. Some time ago I was having a conversation  with a non-believer. He is open to listen when I discuss the MJ case without judgement. He posed a question that still has me thinking about it to this day. He asked if it were possible that the hoax itself could be a hoax. Afterall a fake hoax could  revive a massive  interest in Michael and  set the stage for lots of people to make money from Michael's legacy. He posed the question after we had discussed the revolving door that exists for MJ's employees i.e. Frank DeLeo, John Branca, Grace Rwamba, Karen Faye etc.


Hoaxing a hoax. That is indeed interesting.

Too bad the behaviour of the family -to me- is proof that he is alive. Even if they were in on hoaxing the hoax, they would still be grieving and showing pain. (Which they clearly are not.)
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on February 27, 2010, 12:48:23 PM
I dunno...I said I was exploring a possibiity.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Shout on February 27, 2010, 05:18:29 PM
I think Michael is behind this all!
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: bec on February 27, 2010, 10:50:30 PM
Quote from: "Doctor Death"
I dunno...I said I was exploring a possibiity.

I enjoy this. It's good to kick around ideas that are outside of the box. Expands your brain and widens your foundation of thought. Please do not misinterpret my post as dissent, I simply enjoy the debate. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: deepu priyanka on February 28, 2010, 01:50:55 PM
HI DOCTOR DEATH , I LIKE UR IDEAS N THINKING ABOUT THIS HOAX THING... I HAVE MAILED U . HAVE U CHECKED.....
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Infinitylady on March 01, 2010, 06:26:57 PM
Doctor Death:
Quote
4.FOR THE HOAX BELIEVERS :The weirdness in the Movie, The BAM statement, The "I am alive forever" thing, could have been done by AEG-sony , because they are the ones pulling the strings if MJ is dead. They know we will pick these up as potential clues and start investigating......They've got us HOOKED into this, and they know we wont let go until HE shows up.

I posted somewhere on here that I had someone emailed me from Youtube saying she believed that they are hoaxing this whole thing and she believes he is dead.

It's just alot of mess! I am praying that the truth just come out and all of this gets exposed.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: paula-c on March 01, 2010, 06:55:14 PM
Doctor Death, if it could be, but the entire organization and Memorial, burial, hearing the false child support of Murray, the photos in the cemetery Which are obviously false, Dr. Conrad Murray, "white", the attitude of some mienbros family, the false picture of the ambulance, the two bodies in The helicopter, why an unmarked grave?, I never looked at the time the ambulance entered the house, but if we all look the eternal moment of it's supposed to be an emergency, the autopsy report, .... etc. .. :?:
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on March 02, 2010, 08:38:12 AM
I really dont know what to make of this anymore....

everyuthing is so confusing......

TIAI...AEG....Whatta lotta shit..... :evil:


I just hope a breakthrough happens by March.....


I am still on the fence wether Karen Faye's mausoleum pics are genuine or not....Could she be also a part of AEG's sick scheme?

OH LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JUST STOP PRESSURIN ME.....

MAKES ME WANNA SCREAM!!!!!!!! :evil:
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: paula-c on March 02, 2010, 09:00:08 AM
Doctor Death wrote;  I really dont know what to make of this anymore....

everyuthing is so confusing......

TIAI...AEG....Whatta lotta shit.....  


I just hope a breakthrough happens by March.....


I am still on the fence wether Karen Faye's mausoleum pics are genuine or not....Could she be also a part of AEG's sick scheme?

OH LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JUST STOP PRESSURIN ME.....

MAKES ME WANNA SCREAM!!!!!!!!
I really dont know what to make of this anymore....

everyuthing is so confusing......

TIAI...AEG....Whatta lotta shit..... :evil:


I just hope a breakthrough happens by March.....


I am still on the fence wether Karen Faye's mausoleum pics are genuine or not....Could she be also a part of AEG's sick scheme?

OH LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JUST STOP PRESSURIN ME.....

MAKES ME WANNA SCREAM!!!!!!!! :evil:


Well, I can tell you ,.... :?:  :lol:
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: MJonmind on March 02, 2010, 12:45:40 PM
You know I'm sitting here thinking what to say :? ... And I think it all boils down to Paris, Prince and Blanket's behaviour. They've appeared to me happy and content, just nervous on stage. Michael always said he like to hang around children because they were innocent not like conniving adults, with ulterior motives. I think about 911 and the horribleness of it and the serious evil of the people behind it. I think of this MJ hoax and I see awesome beauty, mind-bending illusions, zany humour riddled all through it. Who was that close friend of MJ's (slips my mind) talking about when he tweeted, "I just had supper with that man who runs the world from behind the curtain." ??? And DD with his third eye tweet, "We have come to an interesting time and an interesting place." Come-on l.o.v.e. is behind this, gotta keep the faith. I just refuse to let go, I'm sold.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on March 02, 2010, 01:00:01 PM
@MJonmind


THat man who tweeted "Had supper with the man who controls the world from behind the curtain was GOTHAM CHOPRA......"


HA.....WE've sold our souls havent we?....To MJ I mean.... :lol:
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: the arabian nights on March 02, 2010, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: "Doctor Death"
@MJonmind


THat man who tweeted "Had supper with the man who controls the world from behind the curtain was GOTHAM CHOPRA......"


HA.....WE've sold our souls havent we?....To MJ I mean....

nope - i havent
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on March 02, 2010, 01:37:31 PM
@priyanka...look in you Private Mesasge inbox...I sent you a PM.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Infinitylady on March 02, 2010, 01:46:42 PM
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[bDoctor Death ยป Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:00 pm

@MJonmind


THat man who tweeted "Had supper with the man who controls the world from behind the curtain was GOTHAM CHOPRA......"


HA.....WE've sold our souls havent we?....To MJ I mean.... ][/b]

Neither have I, sorry.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on March 02, 2010, 01:51:35 PM
OK Just to ckarify..It was not meant to have an offensive meaning...I just wanted to say that he's all over us...all over our minds.......Maybe should've put it better.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on March 02, 2010, 01:53:53 PM
Sory to have offended but I nebver intended to ...Was just a light comment.......Once again....No offense.....

I just meant to say that for the past 7 months. MJ has been dominating our thought  process.....Thats all... :|
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Infinitylady on March 02, 2010, 01:56:10 PM
u all good. :D
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on March 02, 2010, 01:59:07 PM
@ priyanka....did you get my Private Message?
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 02, 2010, 02:10:52 PM
Who is AEG?  A = Phillip Anschultz and he is bad news.

http://www.portfolio.com/companies-exec ... -standard/ (http://www.portfolio.com/companies-executives/2009/08/07/who-is-philip-anschutz-and-why-is-he-in-business-with-michael-jackson-and-the-weekly-standard/)

With all his money, power and influence, he could have easily put a hit out on Michael and NO ONE would open their mouths out of fear of retribution.

he is filthy rich and dangerous.

http://www.hoovers.com/company/Anschutz ... yhi-1.html (http://www.hoovers.com/company/Anschutz_Company/cffyhi-1.html)
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 02, 2010, 02:24:52 PM
If they found out that Michael's health or other circumstances would probably not allow him to do those concerts after they had fronted him 10 million, sold 80 million in tickets, and spent another 30 million for production costs, wow, I don't even want to allow myself to imagine what was going through this man's mind. :?
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on March 02, 2010, 02:28:22 PM
Phew!!!  :(

Thats a gross prospect......HAte to think of it.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 02, 2010, 02:40:56 PM
Randy Phillips' head is probably also on the butcher block, reason he had to do This Is It, to keep his ass clean, so to speak.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/09/aeg-li ... 9_aeg.html (http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/09/aeg-live-nation-ticketmaster-business-media-0209_aeg.html)
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: paula-c on March 02, 2010, 05:58:14 PM
Murray, who hired ?,... not, Michael escaped from all this .... :ugeek:
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: deepu priyanka on March 03, 2010, 01:26:57 PM
Quote from: "Doctor Death"
@ priyanka....did you get my Private Message?
YES I DID.  THINK WE R NOT SUPPOSED TO PUT UP FRANK THOUGHTS ON THIS SITE N IF WE , WE R BASHED UP.... THEN HOW CAN WE SPEAK OUR MINDS ABOUT MJ.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: techdiva on March 04, 2010, 09:22:39 AM
Quote from: "mdc"
Quote from: "jill"
I read on another thread last night that in the contract MJ was only required to be on stage for a small amount of time for each show.  I am sure he was planning to use doubles on the tour.  One of the impersonators from Romania said he was contracted to be on the This Is It Tour in London, and was planning to leave the day he heard the news of MJ's demise.  There are so many doubles out there I have wondered if they plan on using them to make people believe he is back.

This is just something I have considered.  I am not saying this is something I firmly believe.  I know it sounds out there but so is the whole hoax conception if you think about it.

What about the other Jacksons? Do you think a double would fool his children? Do you think they would go along with such a thing?
I doubt the doubles would fool the family or the children. I remember what Marlon had said that the memorial. MJ was in disguise and Marlon knew who he was. He said he could tell by way he moved, his body language, and also the shoe he wore.  I read either on old forum or MJHD that the contract with AEG and MJ was not vaild. You need three signatures instead of two. Also, the contract didn't indicate 50 shows. I think it said up to 38 shows.  I also remember what Randy Phillips said on an interview. MJ said "Thanks Randy for all you have done, I can take it from here." This is letting me know that AEG and MJ are involved and MJ is pulling the strings.  IMO.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: deepu priyanka on March 09, 2010, 01:09:48 PM
Quote from: "paula-c"
Doctor Death wrote;  I really dont know what to make of this anymore....

everyuthing is so confusing......

TIAI...AEG....Whatta lotta shit.....  


I just hope a breakthrough happens by March.....


I am still on the fence wether Karen Faye's mausoleum pics are genuine or not....Could she be also a part of AEG's sick scheme?

OH LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JUST STOP PRESSURIN ME.....

MAKES ME WANNA SCREAM!!!!!!!!
I really dont know what to make of this anymore....

everyuthing is so confusing......

TIAI...AEG....Whatta lotta shit..... :evil:


I just hope a breakthrough happens by March.....


I am still on the fence wether Karen Faye's mausoleum pics are genuine or not....Could she be also a part of AEG's sick scheme?

OH LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JUST STOP PRESSURIN ME.....

MAKES ME WANNA SCREAM!!!!!!!! :evil:


Well, I can tell you ,.... :?:  :lol:
MAY BE .. COULD BE A REALITY SHOW...
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: letstalkagain on March 24, 2010, 03:31:50 PM
John Branca was the one who helped Michael financially years ago.  I heard that John Branca was fired, then Brian Oxman said that Branca quit after Michael kept on associateing himself with sleezy characters.

Oh remember when LaToya was married to that shady businessman, who supposedly kidnapped her, made her do the naked pictures and kept her from her family.  Wow,is the Jackson family so sheltered that anyone can get them to do anything against their will ?  LaToya's story seems very similar to Micheal's
in regard to having no control with his life.   IF this is true this is very,very sad.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: MJmakesmespeechless on March 24, 2010, 04:28:53 PM
There definately is more people believing Michael is dead than alive. This is a win-win for everyone. People went nuts and bought MJ albums, memorbillia, t-shirts, etc etc. Anything they could get their hands on!!! He got people that perhaps abandoned him years ago to "care" again and see him as a human being. Sure there are still people that hate him but he gained ALOT more respect and more fans by doing this...Michael come back and see what you have accomplished!!!
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: mjjglory on March 24, 2010, 04:37:48 PM
Guys ,I don't think Michael left Sony when  he had his case with Mottolla . Contracts are very  serious things  and  IMO one can,t break the contract without losses. Michael  simply stopped to write new material for Sony.Remember since 2001 almost nothing new was released by Sony, only compilations of old  music. The 1991 contract was signd for 15 years till 2006 with Sony Software not with Sony Entertainment..So Michael could certainly collaborate with Sony   not only in music .
 2005 .Howard Stringer became a new chief of Sony Corporation.He started  huge structural changes in the company. and here I think  Michael's interests met the interests of Sony. Michael has a creative mind ,he is very inventive and as many say is a smart businessman. I think he created the idea to rise Sony's sells and to renew his own carriere on a higher level.
Do you remember Michael's song "The greatest show on earth"? There are words there " we live in the make believe world".Do you recognize the words?   Of course, this is a new Sony's slogan "MAKE.BELIEVE". Sir Howard Stringer  advertized the new Sony's slogan on  2 of September  2009 in Berlin and  on the 3 of September 2009 it was known already all over the world.
 
Michael's the greatest show on earth started on 25 of june and Sony's started on 2 of september.
 That's why from that time we see and hear Michael everywhere : in films 2012,Avatar, Alice in Wonderland ,we sensed his presence on Grammy's.

And Sony got almost up to the sky with new tecnology products-HD cameras,3D ,blue-ray DVD, PlayStation 3 etc.

Michael helps Sony to renew its image and Sony  helps Michael to  renew his carriere.
I don't believe Sony could  kill Michael.
AEG and even AGE I think  are in it and all of them I'm sure  will get their millions out of it.

By the way ,when Michael signed his 1991 contract with Sony  the addition to it was  Janet Jackson contract for 30 millions as I remember.  Maybe this new  200 million contract  also  has as an addition  the Jackson 5 contract as well. They are so busy with something huge as they say now.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on March 25, 2010, 01:18:21 AM
You know, what you say makes sense. I however was only exploring a possibility.Thats why I didnt post a one sided theory..I weighed both options in my post......


I came across this very interesting stuff on seeingclues...although its kinda old.

Latoya hd said in early 2009 that she was doing a project that she could tell no one about.

Interestingly enough, the only project that she ever ended up doing was a tribute song for her dead brother. ;)

LaToya isnt really known for her discreet-ness but Hey its a hoax right? ;)
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: techdiva on March 25, 2010, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: "mjjglory"
Guys ,I don't think Michael left Sony when  he had his case with Mottolla . Contracts are very  serious things  and  IMO one can,t break the contract without losses. Michael  simply stopped to write new material for Sony.Remember since 2001 almost nothing new was released by Sony, only compilations of old  music. The 1991 contract was signd for 15 years till 2006 with Sony Software not with Sony Entertainment..So Michael could certainly collaborate with Sony   not only in music .
 2005 .Howard Stringer became a new chief of Sony Corporation.He started  huge structural changes in the company. and here I think  Michael's interests met the interests of Sony. Michael has a creative mind ,he is very inventive and as many say is a smart businessman. I think he created the idea to rise Sony's sells and to renew his own carriere on a higher level.
Do you remember Michael's song "The greatest show on earth"? There are words there " we live in the make believe world".Do you recognize the words?   Of course, this is a new Sony's slogan "MAKE.BELIEVE". Sir Howard Stringer  advertized the new Sony's slogan on  2 of September  2009 in Berlin and  on the 3 of September 2009 it was known already all over the world.
 
Michael's the greatest show on earth started on 25 of june and Sony's started on 2 of september.
 That's why from that time we see and hear Michael everywhere : in films 2012,Avatar, Alice in Wonderland ,we sensed his presence on Grammy's.

And Sony got almost up to the sky with new tecnology products-HD cameras,3D ,blue-ray DVD, PlayStation 3 etc.

Michael helps Sony to renew its image and Sony  helps Michael to  renew his carriere.
I don't believe Sony could  kill Michael.
AEG and even AGE I think  are in it and all of them I'm sure  will get their millions out of it.

By the way ,when Michael signed his 1991 contract with Sony  the addition to it was  Janet Jackson contract for 30 millions as I remember.  Maybe this new  200 million contract  also  has as an addition  the Jackson 5 contract as well. They are so busy with something huge as they say now.
I totally agree with what you are saying. I always felt that MJ is the man behind the curtain as in Wizard of OZ.  Since Sony has fresh blood, Mj has taken Sony to another level.  You are right MJ is a very smart businessman.  I didn't believe that garbage about him being broke and he was worth more dead than alive. He even made a statement " I could I be broke when I just wrote a check for %00 million dollars."
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on March 25, 2010, 11:53:15 AM
Yes, I really had a hard time believing that he "died" broke......

He was a shopaholic no doubt......But only becasue his money permitted him to be one....But broke? Hell NO.
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: ZIsis on April 14, 2010, 01:00:24 PM
Hmmm...Interesting & thought-provoking topic (even if it isn't "all-that-pleasant/comfortable" to contemplate)...Quite similar to another one as well-Have a look here: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6929.

Anyways, here's hoping that we ALL find THE answers that we seek SOON...


L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: Doctor Death on April 15, 2010, 10:07:21 AM
Yeah...seen that already...that was posted way after this thread....I ave had a look at that..... ;)[attachment=0:17k61ymy]012.jpg[/attachment:17k61ymy]
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: ZIsis on April 15, 2010, 11:35:30 AM
WHOA DOC, UNLESS U WANT ME TO LOOSE THE SHRED OF COHERENCE I HAVE LEFT (what with not having slept a wink in 24+++hours!) & RESORT TO GIBBERISH COMPLETELY, YOU SHOULDN'T POST THESE KINDA PICS IN HERE :!: AND OMG AT THE 'V SUGGESTIVE' CAPTION TOO!!!
;)  :oops:  :lol:  :!: :D  :oops:  :P


L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
Title: Re: Who's the real hoaxster? AEG or MJ?
Post by: 2 Bad on April 16, 2010, 12:44:44 AM
Again Doc you have me speaking gibberish...I LOVE that photo!!!!!!!!
Makes me scream! LOL! And melt...... :o

Oh and to keep it regarding the hoaxster, yeah MJ is the absolute Master!!!
Whoooo!!! Shamone! 8-)  8-)  8-)
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