Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: Dancing_Machine on February 22, 2010, 12:11:35 PM

Title: The family
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 22, 2010, 12:11:35 PM
The Jacksons seemed to show real emotions and reactions during the 2005 trails. So why don't they act the same about his 'death'? Everytime I see them 'cry' about he 'loss' it seemed so fake to me. And not just that, they're also very inconsistent in their interviews. They don't seem to remember where they were when they heared the news, I remember when I heard it like yesterday and he isn't even my relative, Jermaine doesn't know the difference between an airport and a hospital anymore... :?
This really screams HOAAAAAAX, let alone al the other clues we found.

Am I the only one who thinks the biggest clues come from his own family?
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Eva R on February 22, 2010, 12:14:38 PM
thats right yeah!! Also from those beautiful kids :) they never say anything about his death or miss him or so :)
And like I said, you can see now that they can't lie for ever and thats a reason why i think mike will come back. They cant lie forever cuz now you see what happens. they make great slipups!
Title: Re: The family
Post by: frogh777 on February 22, 2010, 12:17:08 PM
So lets pretend your are a brother of MJ, can u ever laugh like this, just two days after his ''dead''? Yes they can laugh with their fans, but this not just laughing, they are enjoying the attention!!!
[youtube:30xhi5wp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiFT4BDR0iA[/youtube:30xhi5wp]

Just see the laugh of Marlon when that woman sings a part of the lyric of their song, just watch that laugh, I just cant see any sadness.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: tiux on February 22, 2010, 12:29:29 PM
Of course it's all fake - tears and sad faces. And they don't remember what they have said before. It makes me laugh actually  :D  Let's take it this way - how many lies can you remember?  ;)  Sooner or later your tongue slips  :D
And even I remember very well where I was when I heard the news in the radio - in my car driving to work. I remember even exact place on the street...
 So, dear Jackson-family, what do you have to say about that, ha?  :lol:
Title: Re: The family
Post by: farhatmjj on February 22, 2010, 12:32:04 PM
You're not alone dear, the family has always been the most important clue for me as well with their slip ups, fake emotions and knowing that the beLIEvers exist their never coming out to declare it's not a hoax.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: frogh777 on February 22, 2010, 12:35:17 PM
Quote from: "tiux"
Of course it's all fake - tears and sad faces. And they don't remember what they have said before. It makes me laugh actually  :D  Let's take it this way - how many lies can you remember?  ;)  Sooner or later your tongue slips  :D
And even I remember very well where I was when I heard the news in the radio - in my car driving to work. I remember even exact place on the street...
 So, dear Jackson-family, what do you have to say about that, ha?  :lol:

We should ask him: what was the last thing u said to MJ? should we!!!
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 22, 2010, 12:37:03 PM
Quote from: "frogh777"
So lets pretend your are a brother of MJ, can u ever laugh like this, just two days after his ''dead''? Yes they can laugh with their fans, but this not just laughing, they are enjoying the attention!!!
[youtube:23eul6zi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiFT4BDR0iA[/youtube:23eul6zi]

Just see the laugh of Marlon when that woman sings a part of the lyric of their song, just watch that laugh, I just cant see any sadness.
yes the family are making a good of this hoax
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 22, 2010, 12:40:27 PM
Quote from: "frogh777"
So lets pretend your are a brother of MJ, can u ever laugh like this, just two days after his ''dead''? Yes they can laugh with their fans, but this not just laughing, they are enjoying the attention!!!
[youtube:2crdy9e1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiFT4BDR0iA[/youtube:2crdy9e1]

Just see the laugh of Marlon when that woman sings a part of the lyric of their song, just watch that laugh, I just cant see any sadness.

Yes exactly!
When my grandfather died I couldn't even put a single smile on my face for weeks not just because of the pain of losing him but also because I feld quilty to smile or laugh while my grandfather whom I loved dearly passed away! He died of old age and passed away peacefully.
But Michael on the other hand seemed to be "murdered" as a relatively young man and his brothers are smiling and LAUGHING just to days after! I know everybody handles differently with their grief, but it's a big coincidence that both his 2 brother as his father, who was also laughing 1 or 2 days after, seemed to handle their grief the same  :roll:
Title: Re: The family
Post by: this1crazygirl on February 22, 2010, 12:41:56 PM
this is the first lie I have ever been happy to hear!

YES  :P
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 22, 2010, 12:44:45 PM
when are the family going to realise that we know its a hoax?
Title: Re: The family
Post by: frogh777 on February 22, 2010, 12:46:17 PM
Quote
I feld quilty to smile or laugh while my grandfather whom I loved dearly passed away!

So damn true, and they are just enjoyin!
Title: Re: The family
Post by: frogh777 on February 22, 2010, 12:47:37 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
when are the family going to realise that we know its a hoax?
This isnt a show for us, IT IS THEIR PLAN TO MAKE US AWARE OF THE HOAX!!! It is all against PAPz!
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 22, 2010, 12:52:12 PM
Quote from: "Eva R"
thats right yeah!! Also from those beautiful kids :) they never say anything about his death or miss him or so :)
And like I said, you can see now that they can't lie for ever and thats a reason why i think mike will come back. They cant lie forever cuz now you see what happens. they make great slipups!

The kids didn't seemed that upset at all a the memorial and that was just 2 weeks after his death... :?
I don't want to judge them, cause they're really well raised and lovely kids but let's face it, it is kinda odd how they seemed bored at the memorial, while I as "just" a fan and admirer of Michael was heartbroken and crying.

I love Jermaine split ups, I really love that man  :lol:
Title: Re: The family
Post by: neversaynever on February 22, 2010, 01:03:06 PM
You guys are sooo right. I don't any type of emotion that is "real" from them. Here it is 8 months later and most of us here are still hurting. I feel like I lost a family member for God's sake. I still cry about it and I am almost certain he's alive! LOL! :lol:
Title: Re: The family
Post by: this1crazygirl on February 22, 2010, 01:09:11 PM
I really think the MJ that we've  known  for the past 50 years is dead...

If he is still alive, he will not be the MJ that we have come to know. I think he is very different now. The old MJ didn't like for the kids to be exposed to the media. Since the old MJ is gone, we actually get to hear the voices of his children, Blanket showing his face  :) ... I think it is a growing experience for MJ. That's what I hope anyway...
Title: Re: The family
Post by: frogh777 on February 22, 2010, 01:13:13 PM
Quote from: "this1crazygirl"
I really think the MJ that we've  known  for the past 50 years is dead...

If he is still alive, he will not be the MJ that we have come to know. I think he is very different now. The old MJ didn't like for the kids to be exposed to the media. Since the old MJ is gone, we actually get to hear the voices of his children, Blanket showing his face  :) ... I think it is a growing experience for MJ. That's what I hope anyway...
Those kids cant live their whole life with masks on!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The family
Post by: this1crazygirl on February 22, 2010, 01:17:23 PM
Quote from: "frogh777"
Quote from: "this1crazygirl"
I really think the MJ that we've  known  for the past 50 years is dead...

If he is still alive, he will not be the MJ that we have come to know. I think he is very different now. The old MJ didn't like for the kids to be exposed to the media. Since the old MJ is gone, we actually get to hear the voices of his children, Blanket showing his face  :) ... I think it is a growing experience for MJ. That's what I hope anyway...
Those kids cant live their whole life with masks on!!!!!!!

yes I think he realized that...

hopefully he's somewhere making that change  8-)
Title: Re: The family
Post by: tiux on February 22, 2010, 01:46:48 PM
Quote from: "frogh777"
We should ask him: what was the last thing u said to MJ? should we!!!
I think so, yes!!! They are his FAMILY!! I was 12 when my father died....and I still remember our last conversation. You can never forget thouse things. I mourned my father for 2 years I think. It was a direct pain in my heart of losing my father :cry:  But Michael childrens act is not mourning...Paris at stage, doing such great performance at memorial...excuse me but I didn't believe it for a second. Prince almost fell over when he stepped out of the car at his dads funeral. Was it sooooo boring and he felt like sleepy?  :evil: My God..please...Blanket is the only one who didn't know at that time what the hell was going on. He was the only one who looked sad, really sad, he was confused  :|
So I think we can focus on Mike family cause they are telling us everything anyway  ;) in purpose or not :D
Title: Re: The family
Post by: frogh777 on February 22, 2010, 01:51:04 PM
Quote from: "tiux"
Quote from: "frogh777"
We should ask him: what was the last thing u said to MJ? should we!!!
I think so, yes!!! They are his FAMILY!! I was 12 when my father died....and I still remember our last conversation. You can never forget thouse things. I mourned my father for 2 years I think. It was a direct pain in my heart of losing my father :cry:  But Michael childrens act is not mourning...Paris at stage, doing such great performance at memorial...excuse me but I didn't believe it for a second. Prince almost fell over when he stepped out of the car at his dads funeral. Was it sooooo boring and he felt like sleepy?  :evil: My God..please...Blanket is the only one who didn't know at that time what the hell was going on. He was the only one who looked sad, really sad, he was confused  :|
So I think we can focus on Mike family cause they are telling us everything anyway  ;) in purpose or not :D
I really hope your father rest in heaven my dear! losing your parent is not easy, specially when u r 12.
Yes, they told Blanket that his father is on vacation, and then hes on a memorial where all the people lookin sad. So he was very confused. He isnt anymore.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: CC on February 22, 2010, 01:57:31 PM
Quote from: "frogh777"
So lets pretend your are a brother of MJ, can u ever laugh like this, just two days after his ''dead''? Yes they can laugh with their fans, but this not just laughing, they are enjoying the attention!!!
[youtube:14gnv457]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiFT4BDR0iA[/youtube:14gnv457]

Just see the laugh of Marlon when that woman sings a part of the lyric of their song, just watch that laugh, I just cant see any sadness.

FEDORA HAT AND FBI CAP...
AT 0:49 A PERSON SAY: WHO´S IN THE BACK SEAT?
WHO IS IT??? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS AGES AGO, BUT.... WHO IS IT???
 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The family
Post by: londonluck on February 22, 2010, 01:58:57 PM
I think this woman is really in pain.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: CC on February 22, 2010, 02:01:23 PM
Quote from: "londonluck"
I think this woman is really in pain.
YES...SHE IS REALLY IN PAIN!
BUT WHO KNOWS? SHE´S 79... MY GRANDMA USES TO FEEL VERY SAD FOR LITLLE THINGS, IMAGINE THE WAY SHE FEEL WITH ALL THIS HOAX, ALL THE LIES... MAYBE SHE DOESN´T WANT TO DO IT BUT HAVE TO... YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
Title: Re: The family
Post by: frogh777 on February 22, 2010, 02:06:42 PM
Quote from: "CC"
Quote from: "londonluck"
I think this woman is really in pain.
YES...SHE IS REALLY IN PAIN!
BUT WHO KNOWS? SHE´S 79... MY GRANDMA USES TO FEEL VERY SAD FOR LITLLE THINGS, IMAGINE THE WAY SHE FEEL WITH ALL THIS HOAX, ALL THE LIES... MAYBE SHE DOESN´T WANT TO DO IT BUT HAVE TO... YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
she looks sad, yes! but when a mother lose a child, then ''looking sad'' isnt just enough!! specially when ur child is the King of Pop
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Eva R on February 22, 2010, 02:20:45 PM
LISTEN!!! When people see pics of a person cryin or a kid cryin, that is NOT weird!! because its a hoax they are not allowed to cry?? This hoax is not so easy for them too. You know that he didn't die but you know millions of people are in pain cuz they think he did die.
And maybe he was in danger and that makes you cry to that you know he did this cuz he was scared to get murdered. So its normal if someone cries. Its not normal that nobody of the family exept the brothers and sisters and father never say something about this death and never says anything about: I miss you or something ;)
Title: Re: The family
Post by: alovesmichael on February 22, 2010, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: "londonluck"
I think this woman is really in pain.

this picture always makes my heart ache  :( That does not look fake to me not at all... I don't know what to say a bout the family showing emotion or not, to me it's a very sensitive subject. What if Michael is gone? I agree that some of the behaviour is strange but that's all I want to say...
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 22, 2010, 02:35:05 PM
Quote from: "frogh777"
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
when are the family going to realise that we know its a hoax?
This isnt a show for us, IT IS THEIR PLAN TO MAKE US AWARE OF THE HOAX!!! It is all against PAPz!
the papz dont care - they make more money - its win win
Title: Re: The family
Post by: this1crazygirl on February 22, 2010, 02:37:10 PM
I hope that they are upset that such a sweet person - their brother, son, father, had to go to such extremes for what some months, a year of solace? I think the memorial was planned after the hoax due to the outcry of the fans. The fans started asking too many questions about his funeral dates and stuff to give condolences... I think MJ was depressed when he planned all of this, plus we don't know what was going on behind the scenes... (and if you ever been around a depressed person, they can not really process love). From their kids yes maybe, but when the kids walk out of the room, depression kicks back in... people talking negative words in his ear...  so he opted out of the reality show, and you know what, I think he was surprised that his brothers did the show without him!
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 22, 2010, 02:43:47 PM
i think like you that he would have been surprised that pp cared and loved him and appreciated him, i hope he wants to come back and is trying to think of a way back to us and his life
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 22, 2010, 02:46:01 PM
mike more presonal appearences, jermaine more slip ups and please interviewers listen to what is said. i suggest jermaine that you go on the LKL show or TMZ and talk for about an hour.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 22, 2010, 02:49:15 PM
and jermaine no one dislikes you, and you were great on celebrity big brother, truly.

its just we miss your brother and we get a bit moody

i for one want you guys to get together and do a museum - jacksons for the jacksons - you take control not aeg or others trying to rip you off,

it was you guys that started this all - you need to take control
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Kirsche on February 22, 2010, 02:52:09 PM
Sorry, but off topic

I heard today on the news, that Janet will be the new jackson 5 member and that they will tour togehter....


What do you think?
Title: Re: The family
Post by: this1crazygirl on February 22, 2010, 02:52:43 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
i think like you that he would have been surprised that pp cared and loved him and appreciated him, i hope he wants to come back and is trying to think of a way back to us and his life

Hey I was surprised too! that so many people felt like me... and that so many people are sick of being force fed music on the radio and video and to hear that MJ passed with all that good music it was just too much!!

this kinda woke EVERYBODY up, from MJ, to the Industry, to the media, to the fans, THE WHOLE DANG WORLD!!
Title: Re: The family
Post by: this1crazygirl on February 22, 2010, 03:01:45 PM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Sorry, but off topic

I heard today on the news, that Janet will be the new jackson 5 member and that they will tour togehter....


What do you think?

that sounds good to me
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 22, 2010, 03:08:08 PM
the family should come together
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 22, 2010, 03:17:05 PM
when mike comes back there is going to be so many pp with eggs on their faces - the embarassment factor will be so great

we just need to get rid of the criminal case
Title: Re: The family
Post by: frogh777 on February 22, 2010, 03:19:56 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
when mike comes back there is going to be so many pp with eggs on their faces - the embarassment factor will be so great

we just need to get rid of the criminal case
rotten eggs?
Title: Re: The family
Post by: still beLIEve on February 22, 2010, 03:28:20 PM
Yes! the family it is what is bugging me since the beggining (even at first when I thought it was all true  :oops: ) nothing make sense on their behaviour...
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 22, 2010, 03:52:25 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Quote from: "londonluck"
I think this woman is really in pain.

this picture always makes my heart ache  :( That does not look fake to me not at all... I don't know what to say a bout the family showing emotion or not, to me it's a very sensitive subject. What if Michael is gone? I agree that some of the behaviour is strange but that's all I want to say...

i think your views are the right ones to have - but things do seem strange - we dont know, when she talks it sounds legit, but then the others - so who knows
Title: Re: The family
Post by: teine21 on February 22, 2010, 04:27:49 PM
imo poor blanket was crying because he was confused & he didn't appear to be crying until he was onstage & listening to what his uncle marlon & paris were saying. he was only 7 he just didn't get it. & the picture of katherine, she looks very sad but i think she could be sad because michael felt like his life was in danger & had to go through all of this to get away & she probably feels horrible having to lie to the world, hence the reason she hasn't been making any statements or appearances. the only people who are, are the ones who love to talk anyways, like latoya, jermaine & joe. the other brothers appeared on the tv show but that's it. randy's been pretty quiet lately, so has janet, rebi, jackie, marlon, tito, katherine...& i have a very good feeling that paris would do anything for her daddy, someone who was interviewed early on said that she was very protective of her daddy. & prince is old enough to be able to understand things, so their speeches, while very sweet & heartfelt, do not convince me he's gone (sorry kids!) i'm not being mean or picking on the kids, just saying prince's at the awards sounded rehearsed & paris' didn't make much sense & she had to cut herself off before saying anymore. & her speech at the memorial didn't say he was gone she just said she loved him & that he'd been the best daddy & maybe she was crying because of the pressure or maybe she was just trying to make it more real, but the family is definitely a huge clue! & i feel bad saying their emotions are fake, etc but honestly they really seem that way, i think when i heard the news & watched the memorial i cried more than any of them! & yeah it can be said that they were hiding it & grieving outside of the spotlight, but that just doesn't cut it for me, if a relative dies who you love soooo much (especially a father), you would not be able to hold it all in, tears would still come out! especially if you are 7, 11, or 12 years old, there would be no way to just stop your heartbreak & tears at any time especially not at a memorial for your dad. anyways, i love the jackson family, i truly believe michael had good reasons to do this & whether he returns or not, i support his decision, if he just wants to live a normal life now that he has the chance, that's great he probably needs that or if he's just away for a little while & this all got out of hand, i still support him  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 22, 2010, 04:30:22 PM
i am a wee bit older than 7.11 and 12 and i could not keep it in
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 22, 2010, 04:31:42 PM
yes but is it fair on the kids
Title: Re: The family
Post by: teine21 on February 22, 2010, 04:36:13 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
i am a wee bit older than 7.11 and 12 and i could not keep it in

exactly! i couldn't hold in my tears at my neighbor's funeral a couple months ago, listening to people speak about her! & i'm 21! so i have no idea how those kids would be able to do that all the time, it just doesn't make sense. katherine looked more upset than them & to me her sadness looked more like pain for her son & guilt for lying. i think usher looked more upset! if i were to lose my mother (crossing my fingers) who's been the only parent in my life there's no way i'd be able to hold it in at all. i would be so heartbroken, & even 7 months past, i'd still be grieving, it would take me a long time to completely get over it, to the point where i could laugh & smile & enjoy life. so either they're "faking" or i don't understand how they do it...
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 22, 2010, 04:39:25 PM
oh babes enjoy your life, life is for living - those who have passed would want you to have fun - you only live life once and your dead a long time.

i still listen to mike every day - i cant imagine what it would be like to have known him and to lose him if he is dead

but hes alive so shake away the blues
Title: Re: The family
Post by: teine21 on February 22, 2010, 04:41:08 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
yes but is it fair on the kids

think about it, would it be better to stick around if you felt your life was in danger & risk being taken away from your kids forever? or to "hoax" your death to get save yourself for them? it would be hard for the kids but imo it would be worth it & i don't know them but i think that's what the kids would want too, for their daddy to be safe. & maybe prince was called upstairs so it could be explained to him before it all happened. they seem very mature, so you can't be sure what they could or could not handle. & if he really were gone, i just wouldn't see the point of telling his 7 year old son that he's on vacation, so that he can be constantly waiting for his daddy to come back, that's extremely unhealthy. so yeah, it's probably really hard on the whole family & the kids but if he was in danger i don't think they care how hard it is & probably wouldn't see it as "unfair".
Title: Re: The family
Post by: teine21 on February 22, 2010, 04:43:37 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
oh babes enjoy your life, life is for living - those who have passed would want you to have fun - you only live life once and your dead a long time.

i still listen to mike every day - i cant imagine what it would be like to have known him and to lose him if he is dead

but hes alive so shake away the blues

i speaking theoretically to make a point. i'm not sad, i haven't really lost my mom, i was just saying i don't know how the kids could do it, if it were me i wouldn't be able to! my mom & i are very close, so i wouldn't be able to just conceal emotions so easily, so i highly doubt the kids could.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 22, 2010, 04:44:42 PM
your right
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 22, 2010, 05:07:04 PM
Quote from: "londonluck"
I think this woman is really in pain.

(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3636)

Have to admit that she looks sad, but I believe in the hoax and everytime I think of how Michael is treated during his life I have to cry. Imagine how it would be for his own mother when she would think of that and then imagine how she would cry on his funeral.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: frogh777 on February 22, 2010, 05:10:27 PM
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
Quote from: "londonluck"
I think this woman is really in pain.

(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3636)

Have to admit that she looks sad, but I believe in the hoax and everytime I think of how Michael is treated during his life I have to cry. Imagine how it would be for his own mother when she would think of that and then imagine how she would cry on his funeral.
IT ISNT EASY FOR A MOTHER TO ACT LIKE HER SON IS DEAD!!!!! NOR ACT THAT SHE IS SITTING AT HIS FUNERAL!! it is a MOTHER.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 22, 2010, 05:18:39 PM
Quote from: "frogh777"
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
Quote from: "londonluck"
I think this woman is really in pain.

(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3636)

Have to admit that she looks sad, but I believe in the hoax and everytime I think of how Michael is treated during his life I have to cry. Imagine how it would be for his own mother when she would think of that and then imagine how she would cry on his funeral.
IT ISNT EASY FOR A MOTHER TO ACT LIKE HER SON IS DEAD!!!!! NOR ACT THAT SHE IS SITTING AT HIS FUNERAL!! it is a MOTHER.

It must have been tough for her.  :(
Title: Re: The family
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 22, 2010, 05:23:28 PM
:lol: Y'all are too funny, but let me add...remember when Janet said she would wear all black for a year?  Ain't that nothing :shock:   It's been removed.  Her interview with Oprah where she had on all white from head to toe.  That's interesting to say the least. :roll:
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 22, 2010, 05:51:19 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
:lol: Y'all are too funny, but let me add...remember when Janet said she would wear all black for a year?  Ain't that nothing :shock:   It's been removed.  Her interview with Oprah where she had on all white from head to toe.  That's interesting to say the least. :roll:

Maybe that has a significance too; because he isn't dead she expresses it with all white? Hmmm... :?
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Raven on February 23, 2010, 05:40:44 AM
Mrs. Jackson has such a sweet pretty face, even at her age. Not a wrinkle to be seen either, except for the ones of sorrow on her forehead.

Hard to tell what sort of sorrow it is. Even if he is still alive and for instance had to be taken into protection, there would be a lot of worries about the whole situation.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 23, 2010, 05:44:32 AM
do you think the family want to be hoax free, i mean that they want to drop the whole thing
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Eva R on February 23, 2010, 06:59:53 AM
Quote from: "Raven"
Mrs. Jackson has such a sweet pretty face, even at her age. Not a wrinkle to be seen either, except for the ones of sorrow on her forehead.

Hard to tell what sort of sorrow it is. Even if he is still alive and for instance had to be taken into protection, there would be a lot of worries about the whole situation.
yeah exactly :)
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 23, 2010, 11:01:21 AM
yes i would say the one person who makes you feel that mj has passes is mrs j.

things have not been easy for her

i dont want to talk about her - out of respect for mj

god bless and hugs
Title: Re: The family
Post by: still beLIEve on February 23, 2010, 11:10:55 AM
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
:lol: Y'all are too funny, but let me add...remember when Janet said she would wear all black for a year?  Ain't that nothing :shock:   It's been removed.  Her interview with Oprah where she had on all white from head to toe.  That's interesting to say the least. :roll:

Maybe that has a significance too; because he isn't dead she expresses it with all white? Hmmm... :?

Well I didn´t see her saying that...just read it.... probably tabloid.... who know.... we can´t trust anything....
Title: Re: The family
Post by: teerockjelli on February 23, 2010, 11:18:34 AM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
yes i would say the one person who makes you feel that mj has passes is mrs j.

things have not been easy for her

i dont want to talk about her - out of respect for mj

god bless and hugs

you right

Momma Jackson has never been a "spotlight" mother if you know what I mean. The only time I remember her talking publicly was when MJ had to go to court she was interviewed by someone like Barbara Walters or something... LEAVE HER OUT OF THIS...

she did have some spectacular kids though  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The family
Post by: MashMike on February 23, 2010, 01:56:09 PM
Thank u very much for this post and topic, i have recently seen a photo of Joe Jackson giggling so happily just one day after Mike's "death", i havent seen it before, dont know what about u, even the journalist was astonished by that photo and called Joe's behavour really bizarre,either this man is extremely cold and heartless and doesnt love Mike at all or this is HOAX indeed, i'm keen on the second one,what u think about the photo?i know its not very clear, but i have taken the photo from the journal which i read.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: MashMike on February 23, 2010, 01:58:41 PM
here is the photo
Title: Re: The family
Post by: frogh777 on February 23, 2010, 02:02:53 PM
Quote from: "MashMike"
here is the photo
It was for me 99.999999999% that he is alive...
After seeing ths pic?? its now 100000000.000000% hes ALIVE!!!! damn,,, nothin seems to be right about his dead!!! everything is weird and absurd!!
Title: Re: The family
Post by: MashMike on February 23, 2010, 02:06:31 PM
yep, i think too that it's one of the best evidences that he is indeed alive,look at Joe's braod smile lol
Title: Re: The family
Post by: teerockjelli on February 23, 2010, 02:08:33 PM
Quote from: "MashMike"
here is the photo

WOW that pic somehow makes me feel good   :)

some things are so spiritual that they can not be explained...

Not because you choose not to explain them, but because there are no words to describe certain feelings  :|
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 23, 2010, 02:41:26 PM
Quote from: "frogh777"
Quote from: "MashMike"
here is the photo
It was for me 99.999999999% that he is alive...
After seeing ths pic?? its now 100000000.000000% hes ALIVE!!!! damn,,, nothin seems to be right about his dead!!! everything is weird and absurd!!

do you think it is possible that some pp who emotionally distance themselves from a one person that others may think that they should naturally to be close to, that when tragedy strikes they dont have the emotional ties or the ability to feel the pain of the tragedy that others would think normal.

it may just be that he is heartless!
Title: Re: The family
Post by: loma on February 23, 2010, 02:53:18 PM
Michael is so alive.
I just pulled off acting sick to get out of going to school.
I can act better than them!  8-)
Katherine is like  :D compared to what I looked like this morning.
I'm 100% sure now. Thanks to the picture of Joe.  :lol:
Title: Re: The family
Post by: MashMike on February 23, 2010, 02:56:28 PM
to loma

Always welcome, IMO Joe is not that heartless  and cold to laugh like that just one day after his son's "death", i just dont think so, this pict. just proves the hoax theory once again
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 23, 2010, 03:08:59 PM
but how heartless has he been in the past - its historical

some pp dont change - sometimes you have to accept that because its the only way to survive it
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Raven on February 23, 2010, 04:43:17 PM
Where did the guess the name of the panther game go
Title: Re: The family
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 23, 2010, 07:57:58 PM
They have removed so many videos regarding Michael from the net it's driving me nuts!
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 24, 2010, 04:49:37 PM
Quote from: "MashMike"
here is the photo

(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3694)

How heartless Joe may be, he could never laughed like that when his beloved son supposedly died the day before!
Even though he's a cold man it's stil his son! Michael loves and forgived him and I think Joe loves Michael too. I don't think a parent who lost a child could put a simple tiny smile on their face the very next day while the shock and pain is still fresh.
Let's pretend he doesn't love Michael, he would be at least still be shocked the next day because his own blood who also happened to be the King Of Pop died.

And we shouldn't forget the fact that Jesse Jackson is laughing his ass of too in that picture!! If Micheal really died he wouldn't laugh like that out of respect of the family.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: loma on February 24, 2010, 08:56:46 PM
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"

And we shouldn't forget the fact that Jesse Jackson is laughing his ass of too in that picture!! If Micheal really died he wouldn't laugh like that out of respect of the family.

So true. Jesse Jackson?
That kinda makes me doubt this picture is from after his death.  :?
Any proof?
Title: Re: The family
Post by: whisper on February 24, 2010, 09:09:03 PM
when I search for that picture this is the details that comes with it :Jessie Jackson and Joe Jackson (the father) laughing outside the home of Michael Jackson after his death.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: whisper on February 24, 2010, 09:11:10 PM
(http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/jessie_joe2.jpg)
Title: Re: The family
Post by: loma on February 24, 2010, 10:04:27 PM
:shock:
Terrible.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: frogh777 on February 25, 2010, 07:19:27 AM
Quote from: "whisper"
(http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/jessie_joe2.jpg)
Poor fans, they cried a river outside, and this people r just enjoyin' a joke or something. It feels good to see these people laughing. It seems that our work for the last 8 months isnt for nothing!
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 25, 2010, 07:22:47 AM
Quote from: "whisper"
(http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/jessie_joe2.jpg)

oh its disgusting
Title: Re: The family
Post by: MashMike on February 25, 2010, 09:06:27 AM
This pict is 100% after his death,i mean i  dont think that if Michael had really passed Joe would have been laughing that way, no matter what, Michael is his son and im sure that he loves him,so the only explanation to this photo is the hoax theory.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 25, 2010, 11:53:42 AM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
Quote from: "whisper"
(http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/jessie_joe2.jpg)

oh its disgusting

Why is it disgusting? This only means that Michael is truly alive  ;)
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Kirsche on February 25, 2010, 11:55:54 AM
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
Quote from: "whisper"
(http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/jessie_joe2.jpg)

oh its disgusting

Why is it disgusting? This only means that Michael is truly alive  ;)


right.

But it would be really disgusting, if Michael is indee "gone"
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 25, 2010, 12:00:38 PM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
Quote from: "whisper"
(http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/jessie_joe2.jpg)

oh its disgusting

Why is it disgusting? This only means that Michael is truly alive  ;)


right.

But it would be really disgusting, if Michael is indee "gone"

True, but there all to many things that just don't make sense. Like his brothers laughing and enjoying attention 2 days after his 'death'.
To me they look like a caring and loving family, they all got his back during the 2005 trails and showed they're emotions about the injustice. So how can they act so happy 1-2 days after his 'death'?  ;)
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Kirsche on February 25, 2010, 12:01:50 PM
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
Quote from: "whisper"
(http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/jessie_joe2.jpg)

oh its disgusting

Why is it disgusting? This only means that Michael is truly alive  ;)


right.

But it would be really disgusting, if Michael is indee "gone"

True, but there all to many things that just don't make sense. Like his brothers laughing and enjoying attention 2 days after his 'death'.


true, very true ;)
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 26, 2010, 09:19:43 AM
i am beginning to think that this whole hoax thing is disgusting

wasting pp's time and energy

there should be a better way to make a point

a kinder way for the fans or the pp who are hoax believers

this is not good for us
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 26, 2010, 10:59:32 AM
another weekend leading to another week - i wonder what gems or wisdom will come forth from the family
Title: Re: The family
Post by: loma on February 26, 2010, 06:38:26 PM
@ the arabian nights

I get what you're saying. Sometimes it gets hard and exhausting.
but you have to understand that this was probably the only way he could get any rest.
And it's the people that waste their time. It's not Michael's fault.
I really hope his real fans will stay true.
 :(
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 27, 2010, 04:31:19 AM
Quote from: "loma"
@ the arabian nights

I get what you're saying. Sometimes it gets hard and exhausting.
but you have to understand that this was probably the only way he could get any rest.
And it's the people that waste their time. It's not Michael's fault.
I really hope his real fans will stay true.
 :(

but honey must pp think that he is dead and gone

most of his fans think that he is dead and gone

hoax believers are in the minority, made of fans and non fans - pp interested in the contradictions

if mike is leaving messages for his fans he has failed because the majority of the worlds population view him as dead

by the way i hope he is alive
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on February 27, 2010, 04:50:27 AM
daddy said that there were all doubles in the TII vid

does anyone have the YT vid saved to upload

i will have a look

i think daddy is speaking some truths
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Chamone on February 27, 2010, 08:22:52 AM
Here are some more pics of Joseph Jackson & Jesse Jackson having a blast right after MJ 'died'

[youtube:1a76mh15]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEet-XcnUB0[/youtube:1a76mh15]

The family is also what puzzles me. After someone dies, you don't have to be sad all the time. Heck, I even laughed my ass of at my grandmothers funeral! I was really sad and crying all the time. But when the choir started to sing, I couldn't help but laugh. They were singing SO false, so off key! And they were looking so serious! My sister was also laughing, so when we looked at each other, it became even worse.

After that one of my nieces read a poem and then I was all tears again.

So what I'm trying to say is, it is not the laughing that makes them suspicious, it is the lack of tears. We have to remember that we cannot compare this family to our families. These people have been in the spotlight for almost all their lives and they are not very prone on hiding their emotions. Just a couple of facts;
- Jermaine cried on camera when reminiscing the time he left J5.
- Janet has been married for seven years, NOBODY knew this (and by nobody, I mean the media).
- MJ crying on camera when Batshit asked about his father.
- During the 2005 trials, they came out as a family. There was always someone with MJ and they ALL (even Jospeh!) seemed genuinly upset.
- When LaToya rushed to the hospital on june 25th, she was crying.
- When Jermaine told the world his brother had died, there were no tears, no nothing. He said 'this is hard' but he came over as very cool and collected.
- When Marlon spoke about Brandon (his dead twin) at the memorial, he teared up.

All these facts lead to one conclusion. This is a family that knows how to handle the media. If they don't want you to know something, you will never know. But if something really upsets them they -just like 'normal' people- can't hide their emotions.

Two days ago, I watched the memorial again. There was grief. There was pain. Look at Usher, look at Mariah Carey (she couldn't even sing!) and more important, look at Brooke Shields. She is the only one that acted 'normal' to me. All chocked up, all teared up, because she lost someone she used to be very close to. But the family? Nothing, just straight faces. The happy backstage pictures with the dancers...

And don't get me started about the 'funeral'. Liz laughing, Macaulay smiling... And those were his true close friends. His dearest friend (and as I like to believe, the love of his life) Diana Ross was nowhere to be seen.

It doesn't add up. I am a bit sceptical about all the 'clues' MJ left behind in TII, but the way his friends and family behave... There's something fishy. They do not act like a family in mourning. Making weird conflicting statements, (No open casket because his face was damaged vs he looked like he was a sleep and the kids saw him) public appearances without showing emotions. I lost a very dear friend four years ago. It took me three years to be able to talk about him, or just think about him, without getting all chocked up.

These are my thoughts. I am curious what you guys think.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Chamone on February 27, 2010, 08:28:34 AM
And a very nice vid about the strange behaviour from the family;

[youtube:ej3j6n0z]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IvHYrXD1m0[/youtube:ej3j6n0z]

Rebbie's tweets are really revealing!
Title: Re: The family
Post by: kelly wright on February 27, 2010, 09:02:52 AM
I think the family will use the hoax to their advantage wether they admit he is alive or not ,either way ,they win . The more people that  talk about Michael ,the more people TALK about MJ ,the more Movie,tabloids,cds.books , Tshirts etc  sells .So the Jackson bros .get more notoriety ,more gigs etc .  So , it lends credit to the notion that "someone " {possibly Sony ,Aeg , John Branca & branca worked for Sony ,which was a conflict of interest ,and MJ fired him because of it . MJ's part of Sony Is called Sony /ATV and then there is just Sony } that "someone " instagated the hoax for profit ,to keep peoples minds in" Limbo " so they will continue to purchase ,read ,look at movies , sites etc. .If you follow the money you will find the truth .I really don't think Mj was that interested in money ,he was more interested in creating art & taking care of his kids . {you don't go on shopping sprees like in the Bashier Docu. if you are worried about Money ! } So who was worried about making money ? Also there is a power element ,Michael was& has been dealing with the "power elite { owners of Sony - AEG etc.} for a long time and they are already rich beyond belief ,so it is more about power to the rich ,evil elite ,than money . The lower end people like Thome , Phiillips is was all about money for them ,and still is . Notice how some of the people involved with TII are all kinda famous now ? {Kenny O , the girl guitar player , Mj;s choreographer etc. } wonder what was promised to them for their silence in this conspiracy ? FAME AND MONEY} It's all about the Money to damn near everybody !
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Raven on February 27, 2010, 09:41:12 AM
Quote from: "Chamone"
Here are some more pics of Joseph Jackson & Jesse Jackson having a blast right after MJ 'died'

[youtube:1n19pwza]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEet-XcnUB0[/youtube:1n19pwza]

The family is also what puzzles me. After someone dies, you don't have to be sad all the time. Heck, I even laughed my ass of at my grandmothers funeral! I was really sad and crying all the time. But when the choir started to sing, I couldn't help but laugh. The were singing SO false, so off key! And they were looking so serious! My sister was also laughing, so when we looked at each other, it became even worse.

After that one of my nieces read a poem and then I was all tears again.

So what I'm trying to say is, it is not the laughing that makes them suspicious, it is the lack off tears. We have to remember that we cannot compare this family to our families. These people have been in the spotlight for almost all their lives and they are not very prone on hiding their emotions. Just a couple of facts;
- Jermaine cried on camera when reminiscing the time he left J5.
- Janet has been married for seven years, NOBODY knew this (and by nobody, I mean the media).
- MJ crying on camera when Batshit asked about his father.
- During the 2005 trials, they came out as a family. There was always someone with MJ and they ALL (even Jospeh!) seemed genuinly upset.
- When LaToya rushed to the hospital on june 25th, she was crying.
- When Jermaine told the world his brother had died, there were no tears, no nothing. He said 'this is hard' but he came over as very cool and collected.
- When Marlon spoke about Brandon (his dead twin) on the memorial, he teared up.

All these fact lead to one conclusion. This is a family that knows how to handle the media. If they don't want you to know something, you will never know. But if something really upsets them they -just like 'normal' people- can't hide their emotions.

Two days ago, I watched the memorial again. There was grief. There was pain. Look at Usher, look at Mariah Carey (she couldn't even sing!) and more important, look at Brooke Shields. She is the only one that acted 'normal' to me. All chocked up, all teared up, because she lost someone she used to be very close to. But the family? Nothing, just straight faces. The happy backstage pictures with the dancers...

And don't get me started about the 'funeral'. Liz laughing, Maculay smiling... And those were his true close friends. His dearest friend (and as I like to believe, the love of his life) Diana Ross was nowhere to be seen.

It doesn't add up. I am a bit sceptical about all the 'clues' MJ left behind in TII, but the way his friends and family behave... There's something fishy. They do not act like a family in mourning. Making weird conflicting statements (No open casket because his face was damaged vs he looked like he was a sleep and the kids saw him) public appearances without showing emotions. I lost a very dear friend four years ago. It took me three years to be able to talk about him, or just think about him, without getting all chocked up.

These are my thoughts. I am curious what you guys think.
Exactly same thoughts here...
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Datroot on February 27, 2010, 01:04:24 PM
I didn't think Brooke did a very good acting job pretending to cry - it was ssoooooo false to me.  I agree with everything else you said though.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: this1crazygirl on February 27, 2010, 01:16:00 PM
Quote from: "kelly wright"
I think the family will use the hoax to their advantage wether they admit he is alive or not ,either way ,they win . The more people that  talk about Michael ,the more people TALK about MJ ,the more Movie,tabloids,cds.books , Tshirts etc  sells .So the Jackson bros .get more notoriety ,more gigs etc .  So , it lends credit to the notion that "someone " {possibly Sony ,Aeg , John Branca & branca worked for Sony ,which was a conflict of interest ,and MJ fired him because of it . MJ's part of Sony Is called Sony /ATV and then there is just Sony } that "someone " instagated the hoax for profit ,to keep peoples minds in" Limbo " so they will continue to purchase ,read ,look at movies , sites etc. .If you follow the money you will find the truth .I really don't think Mj was that interested in money ,he was more interested in creating art & taking care of his kids . {you don't go on shopping sprees like in the Bashier Docu. if you are worried about Money ! } So who was worried about making money ? Also there is a power element ,Michael was& has been dealing with the "power elite { owners of Sony - AEG etc.} for a long time and they are already rich beyond belief ,so it is more about power to the rich ,evil elite ,than money . The lower end people like Thome , Phiillips is was all about money for them ,and still is . Notice how some of the people involved with TII are all kinda famous now ? {Kenny O , the girl guitar player , Mj;s choreographer etc. } wonder what was promised to them for their silence in this conspiracy ? FAME AND MONEY} It's all about the Money to damn near everybody !

I think it good if they make $$ off of this... do you know how many artists in the past 50 years who was cheated out of show $$, royalty $$, spin $$? Do you know how many artists MJ saved and bought their rights back for them and stuff? If the Jacksons make $$ from this,thats's good... do you know how much $$ these new artists make off their image when they dress in a MJ style, or sing a line from one of his songs, or just mention his name in a song? GOOD FOR THE JACKSONS!!! 8-)
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 27, 2010, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: "Chamone"
Here are some more pics of Joseph Jackson & Jesse Jackson having a blast right after MJ 'died'

[youtube:2maqniqx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEet-XcnUB0[/youtube:2maqniqx]

The family is also what puzzles me. After someone dies, you don't have to be sad all the time. Heck, I even laughed my ass of at my grandmothers funeral! I was really sad and crying all the time. But when the choir started to sing, I couldn't help but laugh. They were singing SO false, so off key! And they were looking so serious! My sister was also laughing, so when we looked at each other, it became even worse.

After that one of my nieces read a poem and then I was all tears again.

So what I'm trying to say is, it is not the laughing that makes them suspicious, it is the lack of tears. We have to remember that we cannot compare this family to our families. These people have been in the spotlight for almost all their lives and they are not very prone on hiding their emotions. Just a couple of facts;
- Jermaine cried on camera when reminiscing the time he left J5.
- Janet has been married for seven years, NOBODY knew this (and by nobody, I mean the media).
- MJ crying on camera when Batshit asked about his father.
- During the 2005 trials, they came out as a family. There was always someone with MJ and they ALL (even Jospeh!) seemed genuinly upset. - When LaToya rushed to the hospital on june 25th, she was crying.
- When Jermaine told the world his brother had died, there were no tears, no nothing. He said 'this is hard' but he came over as very cool and collected.
- When Marlon spoke about Brandon (his dead twin) at the memorial, he teared up.

All these facts lead to one conclusion. This is a family that knows how to handle the media. If they don't want you to know something, you will never know. But if something really upsets them they -just like 'normal' people- can't hide their emotions.

Two days ago, I watched the memorial again. There was grief. There was pain. Look at Usher, look at Mariah Carey (she couldn't even sing!) and more important, look at Brooke Shields. She is the only one that acted 'normal' to me. All chocked up, all teared up, because she lost someone she used to be very close to. But the family? Nothing, just straight faces. The happy backstage pictures with the dancers...

And don't get me started about the 'funeral'. Liz laughing, Macaulay smiling... And those were his true close friends. His dearest friend (and as I like to believe, the love of his life) Diana Ross was nowhere to be seen.

It doesn't add up. I am a bit sceptical about all the 'clues' MJ left behind in TII, but the way his friends and family behave... There's something fishy. They do not act like a family in mourning. Making weird conflicting statements, (No open casket because his face was damaged vs he looked like he was a sleep and the kids saw him) public appearances without showing emotions. I lost a very dear friend four years ago. It took me three years to be able to talk about him, or just think about him, without getting all chocked up.

These are my thoughts. I am curious what you guys think.

I agree with you!

Especially the underlined is so true. They all had his back during those awfull times. But now they seem all happy happy joy joy  :?

@Datroot, her emotions looked very real to me. I don't think she is in on the hoax so she thinks he passed away.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Chamone on February 27, 2010, 01:17:51 PM
Quote from: "Datroot"
I didn't think Brooke did a very good acting job pretending to cry - it was ssoooooo false to me.  I agree with everything else you said though.
Really? Was it false to you? Could you explain to me how, because to me it came across very genuine. But why would an old friend be in on the hoax?
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Chamone on February 27, 2010, 01:21:03 PM
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"

I agree with you!

Especially the underlined is so true. They all had his back during those awfull times. But now they seem all happy happy joy joy  :?

@Datroot, her emotions looked very real to me. I don't think she is in on the hoax so she thinks he passed away.

During the 2005 trial I realized for the first time that they are indeed a family, a very close family. There is a lot of love there and -just as you said- they had his back.

I am going to make a risky statement, but it seems like the family was more sad in 2005 then they are today. If a trial already has such an impact on a family, can you imagine what will happen if someone dies?
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 27, 2010, 01:22:15 PM
Quote from: "this1crazygirl"
Quote from: "kelly wright"
I think the family will use the hoax to their advantage wether they admit he is alive or not ,either way ,they win . The more people that  talk about Michael ,the more people TALK about MJ ,the more Movie,tabloids,cds.books , Tshirts etc  sells .So the Jackson bros .get more notoriety ,more gigs etc .  So , it lends credit to the notion that "someone " {possibly Sony ,Aeg , John Branca & branca worked for Sony ,which was a conflict of interest ,and MJ fired him because of it . MJ's part of Sony Is called Sony /ATV and then there is just Sony } that "someone " instagated the hoax for profit ,to keep peoples minds in" Limbo " so they will continue to purchase ,read ,look at movies , sites etc. .If you follow the money you will find the truth .I really don't think Mj was that interested in money ,he was more interested in creating art & taking care of his kids . {you don't go on shopping sprees like in the Bashier Docu. if you are worried about Money ! } So who was worried about making money ? Also there is a power element ,Michael was& has been dealing with the "power elite { owners of Sony - AEG etc.} for a long time and they are already rich beyond belief ,so it is more about power to the rich ,evil elite ,than money . The lower end people like Thome , Phiillips is was all about money for them ,and still is . Notice how some of the people involved with TII are all kinda famous now ? {Kenny O , the girl guitar player , Mj;s choreographer etc. } wonder what was promised to them for their silence in this conspiracy ? FAME AND MONEY} It's all about the Money to damn near everybody !

I think it good if they make $$ off of this... do you know how many artists in the past 50 years who was cheated out of show $$, royalty $$, spin $$? Do you know how many artists MJ saved and bought their rights back for them and stuff? If the Jacksons make $$ from this,thats's good... do you know how much $$ these new artists make off their image when they dress in a MJ style, or sing a line from one of his songs, or just mention his name in a song? GOOD FOR THE JACKSONS!!! 8-)

Amen to that!
If they make money off this, it's they're right. The Jacksons all worked very hard for their accomplishments so if they want to make money off this they have my blessings.  :D They earned it.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 27, 2010, 01:26:20 PM
Quote from: "Chamone"
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"

I agree with you!

Especially the underlined is so true. They all had his back during those awfull times. But now they seem all happy happy joy joy  :?

@Datroot, her emotions looked very real to me. I don't think she is in on the hoax so she thinks he passed away.

During the 2005 trial I realized for the first time that they are indeed a family, a very close family. There is a lot of love there and -just as you said- they had his back.

I am going to make a risky statement, but it seems like the family was more sad in 2005 then they are today. If a trial already has such an impact on a family, can you imagine what will happen if someone dies?

Exactly, it's seems so contradictory.
This is really the reason I got to believe this is a hoax; because of the emotions of the family or rather the lack of emotions.  ;)
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Chamone on February 27, 2010, 08:01:47 PM
And let's not forget another fact, it was the family that condemned TII even before watching it. Joseph stated that it was 'all body doubles'.

Why the heck would a father say that?
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 27, 2010, 08:19:49 PM
Quote from: "Chamone"
And let's not forget another fact, it was the family that condemned TII even before watching it. Joseph stated that it was 'all body doubles'.

Why the heck would a father say that?

I don't believe Michael used doubles.  ;)
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Chamone on February 27, 2010, 08:28:24 PM
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
Quote from: "Chamone"
And let's not forget another fact, it was the family that condemned TII even before watching it. Joseph stated that it was 'all body doubles'.

Why the heck would a father say that?

I don't believe Michael used doubles.  ;)
If he didn't use doubles, that quote from Joseph is even weirder.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 27, 2010, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: "Chamone"
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
Quote from: "Chamone"
And let's not forget another fact, it was the family that condemned TII even before watching it. Joseph stated that it was 'all body doubles'.

Why the heck would a father say that?

I don't believe Michael used doubles.  ;)
If he didn't use doubles, that quote from Joseph is even weirder.

He IS a weird man LOL :P
Title: Re: The family
Post by: letstalkagain on March 09, 2010, 02:14:26 PM
I think that this is too big of a thing to keep all bottled up.  Sooner or later you will see someone slip up.
We all know that there is a reason for it all.  Maybe Michael was having a nervous breakdown and he had to get away for his own sanity.  He also needed money, plus he was under contract for the concerts.
So what else could he possibly do ?  Plus he already had so many lawsuits, did he really need another.  Perhaps he needed and wanted to do the concerts and realised that he could not do all 50 concerts as good as what was expected of him.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Kirsche on March 09, 2010, 02:17:55 PM
Quote from: "letstalkagain"
I think that this is too big of a thing to keep all bottled up.  Sooner or later you will see someone slip up.
We all know that there is a reason for it all.  Maybe Michael was having a nervous breakdown and he had to get away for his own sanity.  He also needed money, plus he was under contract for the concerts.
So what else could he possibly do ?  Plus he already had so many lawsuits, did he really need another.  Perhaps he needed and wanted to do the concerts and realised that he could not do all 50 concerts as good as what was expected of him.


I think Jermaine had a lot of slip ups :D
Title: Re: The family
Post by: MashMike on March 09, 2010, 03:19:56 PM
And let's not forget another fact, it was the family that condemned TII even before watching it. Joseph stated that it was 'all body doubles'.

Why the heck would a father say that?

I absolutely agree with you Chamon,great post,so maybe Joe claimed that there were doubles,cause when  the whole world saw TIE they would see a heathy Michael who didn't seem exhausted or dragged at all,and they would question the hoax as many have already done it and it would become dangerous for his safety
Title: Re: The family
Post by: Dancing_Machine on March 09, 2010, 04:27:22 PM
Quote from: "letstalkagain"
I think that this is too big of a thing to keep all bottled up.  Sooner or later you will see someone slip up.
We all know that there is a reason for it all.  Maybe Michael was having a nervous breakdown and he had to get away for his own sanity.  He also needed money, plus he was under contract for the concerts.
So what else could he possibly do ?  Plus he already had so many lawsuits, did he really need another.  Perhaps he needed and wanted to do the concerts and realised that he could not do all 50 concerts as good as what was expected of him.

I don't think he needed the money IMO.
He planned the hoax for a big message I think, that's why I also think he was prepering for the hoax at least 10 years ago.
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on March 12, 2010, 03:58:51 PM
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/51 ... tapes.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/510977/Hear-secret-Michael-Jackson-tapes.html)

Hear secret Michael Jackson tapes
Shock Neverland tapes reveal what Jacko really thought about family

By James Desborough, 20/09/2009

MICHAEL Jackson made a series of blistering attacks on his family in secret taped interviews, we can reveal.

The singer branded his brothers in the Jackson 5 LAZY MOANERS who just sat around relying on him to make them money.

Hear Michael Jackson slate his family in his secret Neverland tapes
One by one he dubbed them DULL, a COPYCAT, a WOMANISER and ARGUMENTATIVE. Then he bitched about sisters La Toya and Janet.

And he even called MUM Katherine "disappointing" in astonishing rants recorded with the ghost writer of his autobiography Moonwalk.

Then Jacko, who died in June, realised he'd gone too far several times, snapping: "You can't print that."

But today we can - and the revelations will stun fans and his family members who have spent weeks lavishing praise on the dead singer and gushing about how close they were.

"The brothers didn't give me support," he snipes on one tape. "We'd be working on a TV show or video and they'd be sitting around moaning and groaning but I'd be watching and learning.

"It takes a talent, but some people are lazy and don't want to develop anything." Then he goes through the original band members - Jackie, 58, Tito, 55, Jermaine, 54, and Marlon, 52 - in turn.

ON TITO: "Tito is into the anatomy of how a car is built," scoffs Jacko who pinpoints him as one of the biggest whingers in the band. "He is a grease monkey.

"He still goes to the hobby shop and buys airplanes and flys them. He loves putting them together - they're on these plastic things and you glue them. That is so boring."

ON MARLON: "People used to call him ugly and make fun of him - and people would say, 'Which brother is that one?'.

"He constantly imitates me on stage. Whatever I do he'll do right after me. I hate when that happens because he looks too "doo woppy" and so old-fashioned."

ON JERMAINE: Jackson accused Jermaine - who split from first wife Hazel over a fling with another beauty - of being a womaniser and not having the self-belief to follow him as a successful solo act.

Jermaine would either be looking for girls or going along with the jokes," said Jacko.

As a songwriter he lambasted him for "always letting outside influences change what style and beauty he's created.

"It always ends up not being his creation and changed in some type of way."

ON JACKIE: The eldest brother was simply dismissed as stubborn and argumentative.

"He approaches everything with so much negativity and doubting," stormed Jacko.

ON RANDY: His youngest brother - who joined the group when they became The Jacksons - made the mistake of never taking Jacko's advice. "He doesn't listen and is real hard-headed," he said of Randy, now 47. "You say it's dark - he'll say it's daylight. And he has to be macho. I'll never forget the day we had a meeting with our producer who said you've got to stand up on your own.

"Randy stood up and said: "I'm a man' - we are all started laughing."

Jacko's venom didn't stop at his brothers. The women in the family are all told to Beat It too.

ON HIS MUM: Publicly Jackson has always insisted that Katherine, 78, was "the closest person in his life, a great mother and provider."

But on the secret tapes he said: "She disappointed me. She did an interview (about him). I don't like her to talk. It's none of those people's business."

And he revealed how his mother never wanted daughters. "She wished she would have had all boys. She told my sisters that - and they agreed! That's how my sisters are - they are prejudiced against other girls."

And so it was the turn of La Toya, 53, and 43-year-old Janet for the Jacko treatment.

ON LA TOYA: "To me she is Mrs Nice and Nasty. I come in her room (and she says), 'You can't sit on her couch, sit on the bed or walk on the carpet', She wants to keep everything fresh.

"If you cough at the table she covers her plate. If you sneeze forget it, she's in another room. If you clear your throat, you can't do that while she is eating."

"And forget about going to the movies. She doesn't understand what I see in Star Wars, Close Encounters or Jaws."

ON JANET: He was consumed with jealousy when his favourite sister left home to marry pop producer James DeBarge in 1984. Within a year it was over.

"Janet is a tomboy. That is why it kills me to see her off and married. We did everything together and were just alike. We write a whole schedule for the day and follow it. It's a terrible loss."

While she gets off fairly lightly, the 80-year-old father who beat him as a child naturally receives both barrels.

ON DAD JOE: "I would suffer if I had to spend a whole day with him.

"He would sit in a chair with a belt or a switch and we'd do our performance. And if we messed up he hit you."

"To tell you the truth, I never have felt close to him. He has always been like a mystery man."

But when it came to Michael Jackson, the Moonwalk ghost writer was left in no doubt about his high self-esteem. He insisted it was he who got them away from Motown, paving the way for his family to amass a fortune.

ON HIMSELF: "They (the brothers) thought I was naïve, soft and sweet and wimpy, but I wasn't. It was me who went to Berry Gordy (Motown's chief) and said, 'We're gonna leave'.

"I am the captain of my ship. I take suggestions and listen to what everyone has to say, but the final decision is mine."

That's apart from when he did the famous Pepsi commercial in which his hair was set on fire.

He revealed he couldn't stand the drink.

"I hate Pepsi. I hated doing that dumb commercial," he said.

"The only thing I liked about it was working with the children."
Title: Re: The family
Post by: the arabian nights on March 12, 2010, 04:14:20 PM
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Jermaine Jackson “Word to the Bad” Lyrics Disrespect Michael Jackson
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ThecounT on August 7, 2009
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We are all sad over the loss of Michael Jackson, and how this must be affecting his family is inconceivable.

Michael’s brother Jermaine has now stepped in to the spotlight speaking fondly of his fallen brother and vowing to keep Michael’s plight for peace alive.

Speaking on his blog, Jermaine said, “The tragedy of my brother’s death is still with me. But in his death, I have found a mission for my life. My existence is now dedicated to spreading Michael’s message. Michael had a unique place in the world. He not only did good, but taught others how to do the same. This only magnifies his loss to the world. I want to make people aware of the humanitarian side of Michael. I want to show them how his true emphasis wasn’t music, or performing; it was improving the world. Understand this, and you begin to understand the essence of who my brother was.”

Too bad it took Michael’s death for Jermaine to jump his brother’s bandwagon. It was in song and in public, Jermaine voiced his real feelings about his brother and they were not very nice, not at all…

Check out the lyrics to Jermaine Jackson’s “Word to the Badd…”

What up yo,
word to the badd

Reconstructed
Been abducted
Don’t know who you are
They may love you
they don’t know you
Lonely superstar
never think about who you love
only think about number one
You forget about where you started from
You only think about what you want
don’t care about how it’s done
you only think about you, your throne
Be it right or be it wrong

It ain’t about your world
It ain’t about the things that you do
If you don’t care, I don’t care
Cause you keep thinkin’ ’bout you
It ain’t about you takin’ my pie
You been takin’ for a long time
If you don’t care, I don’t care
If you keep
Well I ain’t thinkin’ ’bout you

What up yo, word to the badd

Once you were made
You changed your shade
Was your color wrong?
Could not turn back
It’s a known fact
You were too far gone
You know I tried to be there for you
Like a brother I care for you
It didn’t matter you always play me off
You only care about what you want
You don’t care about how it’s done
You only think about you, your throne
Be it right or wrong

It ain’t about your world
It ain’t about the things that you do
If you don’t care, I don’t care
Cause you keep thinkin’ ’bout you
It ain’t about you takin’ my pie
You been takin’ for a long time
If you don’t care, I don’t care
If you keep
Well I ain’t thinkin’ ’bout you
Oh no no, I ain’t thinkin’ ’bout you
Oh no

What up yo, word to the badd

Thinkin’ about that pie that you’ve been takin’ from me
From a brother to another brother hard to believe
Lost and don’t know it yet you still show it
Givin’ seems to be harder than it is to receive
The glass has gotten shady, time to make it clearer,
Clean it up and lets start with the Man in the mirror.
Theres sadness there brother, aint no mistaken it,
Get a grip cause youre not far from breakin it.
Thinkin about the time when we used to be close,
It shouldnt be past tense, cause nobody knows,
What the future may hold, what tomorrow might bring,
Its not guaranteed that youll be spreading your wings

But meanwhile, I continue to smile, cause in the back of my head,
I know you’re still a child
You say that your a man, but that will never be.

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