Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: Serenitys_Dream on February 17, 2010, 02:09:35 PM
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Lawyer Brian Oxman cofirms that the Ambulance photo is FAKED and a photoshopped picture!!!
Go to 0:32 in to the video to hear Oxman state this!!
[youtube:tvbwium0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRLV9djXZ34[/youtube:tvbwium0]
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He also clearly states
"I'm saying it looks like a fake, and if they want to prove it differently, I'd be interested in seeing the evidence."
Sounds like he's as skeptical as everyone here, but cannot provide definitive proof that is ISN'T fake. He believes it's the stage photo, which it quite subjective. I'm not saying it's not photoshopped, but it sounds like Oxman doesn't have definitive proof, either.
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sounds like he is saying what we all said all along wonder what the next thing will be that they will do about that
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Is this guy known as a "friend" of Michael? Well.. The truth is about to prevail.. Who will tell us that Michael Jackson's death is a fake as well?
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they need to pay us for our hard work us discover that long time a ago this shit is falling down like a house of cards. Why now is a Joe so angry at MJ that he is trying to expose him this is really confusing.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRLV9djXZ34 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRLV9djXZ34)
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Is this guy known as a "friend" of Michael? Well.. The truth is about to prevail.. Who will tell us that Michael Jackson's death is a fake as well?
Oxman was an early representative of the Jackson family on June 25th. He is currently Joe Jackson`s attorney and he has known Michael for 23 years. He was part of the defense team in the 2005 trial but was later fired by Mesereau.
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OMG we were right all along....... :lol:
I would like to add that MJDH was FIRST with the laying on the platform thing.... And it was a member of US that made that compareson........... :lol: :lol:
LMAO this is one for our good work!!!!!!!!!!
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MJDH members were FIRST!!!!........thanks to the member that made the connection to this pic MONTHS ago!!!!
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somebody beat me to it ..lock thread guys
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That means that Karen F. was telling the truth.
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mmmhhh..I don't know if to be happy or not... He admits the picture is a fake,but he says Dr Murray is a murderer....
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God it feels good to be right 8-) :lol: :lol:
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WTF!! oh my god, i'm speechless, how is that BEN character gonna explain this, when he's took credit and money for the photo!! and wasn't JOE JACKSON trying to sue over the pictures of his already dead son...
:o :o :o :o
oh and why hasn't this been on the news, i think this is huge and would give non believers piece of mind so that this isn't their last image of Michael!!
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And just think, The photographer made lots of money off this photo.
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just wrote this on the other one as well cos its a double post, oh and he said he was 99.9% sure it was photoshopped ;)
WTF!! oh my god, i'm speechless, how is that BEN character gonna explain this, when he's took credit and money for the photo!! and wasn't JOE JACKSON trying to sue over the pictures of his already dead son...
:o :o
oh and why hasn't this been on the news, that it could be fake, they report everything else that could be and turns out not to be.. i think this is huge and would give non believers piece of mind so that this isn't their last image of Michael!!
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That means that Karen F. was telling the truth.
Telling truth about what.. what did she say?
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Yeah, I made the comparison...they didn't even bother to give proper credit..
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-ho ... -t1625.htm (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/the-ambulance-photo-theory-t1625.htm)
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just wrote this on the other one as well cos its a double post, oh and he said he was 99.9% sure it was photoshopped ;)
WTF!! oh my god, i'm speechless, how is that BEN character gonna explain this, when he's took credit and money for the photo!! and wasn't JOE JACKSON trying to sue over the pictures of his already dead son...
:o :o
oh and why hasn't this been on the news, that it could be fake, they report everything else that could be and turns out not to be.. i think this is huge and would give non believers piece of mind so that this isn't their last image of Michael!!
Evenstead the photographer is friendly with Michael so it is very possible that he helped create the ambulance photo at Michael`s request as part of the hoax. They in turn then conned the media in to paying him for this exclusive photograph.
Also Oxman was an early representative or spokesperson of the Jackson family back in June. He is now Joe`s lawyer but with all the controversy regarding Branca and Weitzman, I would not necessarily believe Oxman is such a bad guy.
Please look in to Branca & Weitzman`s raping of the Kurt Cobain estate, Courtney has been tweeting about it for a while. Courtney Love`s tweets: http://drumsandguns.livejournal.com/. Check out Twiggy`s blog for more info http://mjhoaxlive.blogspot.com/ (http://mjhoaxlive.blogspot.com/)
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Yeah, I made the comparison...they didn't even bother to give proper credit..
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-ho ... -t1625.htm (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/the-ambulance-photo-theory-t1625.htm)
SUE THEM!!! :D
This is phenomenal. At first they laughed at us... they mocked us.
BUT WE KNEW THE TRUTH FROM THE BEGINNING!!!!!!
NOW THEY LISTEN TO US!!!!
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http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-ho ... -t1625.htm (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/the-ambulance-photo-theory-t1625.htm)
HEH..they could have at least credited our forum...
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Did they show that picture in the video???
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Did they show that picture in the video???
Yeah they did.
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Has Brian Oxman been visiting our site????????
Let the return begin :mrgreen:
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Yeah, I made the comparison...they didn't even bother to give proper credit..
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-ho ... -t1625.htm (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/the-ambulance-photo-theory-t1625.htm)
SUE THEM!!! :D
This is phenomenal. At first they laughed at us... they mocked us.
BUT WE KNEW THE TRUTH FROM THE BEGINNING!!!!!!
NOW THEY LISTEN TO US!!!!
Hehe, no, I'm glad they're letting the world know, but they should have at least credited our forum, right? This is rude :evil: :lol:
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FIRST THEY LAUGHED AS US, THEY TOLD US WE WERE CRAZY
NOW THEY ARE USING OUR RESEARCH!!
NOW THEY LISTEN TO US.
Wa ha ha haaaa... i got angry the other day when SAMANTHA DEGOSSEN used this photo on her facebook. Karen Faye and Samantha block Hoax believers in the past and have been very judgemental... but NOW they use our research. They know we are on to something.
Makes me feel good my gut instinct was right all along.. thats why im still here and havent left.
Lots of people are beginning to open their eyes and realise that what they are being told isnt the truth... whether that is because MJ has been murdered and this is a HUGE cover up.. or because he is alive... one way or another WE have started to expose the lies.
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Now we know people are paying attention to us :)
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The video doesn't play on my iphone, what is it of? Is it actually Brian Oxman talking or someone representing him?
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The video doesn't play on my iphone, what is it of? Is it actually Brian Oxman talking or someone representing him?
It's him!
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Cool! So he just flat out says it's fake?! Shouldn't this make like ET or something?
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OMG YAY :D
i knew from the bottom of my heart that picture was a FAKE and now its confirmed :D
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OMG YAY :D
i knew from the bottom of my heart that picture was a FAKE and now its confirmed :D
It isnt 100 percent confirmed... its Brian Oxmans opinion.
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Did they show that picture in the video???
Of course they re-made it and didn't use the exact comparison...
I'd like to know, WHEN they did that.
This is huge!
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OMG YAY :D
i knew from the bottom of my heart that picture was a FAKE and now its confirmed :D
It isnt 100 percent confirmed... its Brian Oxmans opinion.
ah. well its fake anyway :P
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Aaaaaaaaaah aaaaaaaaah
it feels so good to be right
Mike must be proud of us we're spreading the truth :)
I wonder what will be the next step !!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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Finally.... hope this is the beginning of the resurrection
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Well at least it's a real person's opinion, and that real person is the Jackson family spokesperson.
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Jackson's Dad Wants to Sue Over Death Photos
Posted Feb 5th 2010 6:01PM by TMZ Staff
Joe Jackson has just filed legal docs asking a court to acknowledge Michael Jackson's family has a right to sue news outlets that published photos of Michael Jackson dead.
Joe Jackson's lawyer, Brian Oxman, filed papers with the court in the Michael Jackson estate case, claiming there is legal precedent for a family suing for invasion of privacy when such photos are published.
Although the legal docs don't state which photos he intends to sue over, "Entertainment Tonight" aired a photo of Jackson -- whom paramedics believed was already dead -- as he was taken into an ambulance from his home.
Oxman is trying to get the estate court judge to allow him access to medical records as a prelude for filing such a case.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/micheal-j ... s-lawsuit/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/micheal-jackson-joe-jackson-lawsuit-death-photos-lawsuit/)
So what to make out of this?TMZ lying again I guess 8-)
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Yeah, I made the comparison...they didn't even bother to give proper credit..
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-ho ... -t1625.htm (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/the-ambulance-photo-theory-t1625.htm)
Did you post one the youtube video??? People are freaking out over there! :D More people are understanding it now :)
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Does anybody know what he says while the person is talking over him??? If not I'll listen to it again and type it out but if somebody already knows then please go for it XD
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Did they show that picture in the video???
Of course they re-made it and didn't use the exact comparison...
I'd like to know, WHEN they did that.
This is huge!
Its exactly the same picture and comparion because i saved it to my computer months ago.
Here it is:
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Waouh, it's great !
This is the beginning of the comeback :D
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Does anybody know what oxman is saying when the guy is talking over him?? If not I will watch the video again and type up for here but if somebody does know go for it XD
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OMG!!!OMG!!!!it's a huge victory, i mean OMG!!!i'm so thrilled just now, we were right from the very start thanks Dancingthedream for the brilliant photo, it seems that they used just the same one,we are very close to the BAM,OMg,im just overjoyed.
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Well at least it's a real person's opinion, and that real person is the Jackson family spokesperson.
took the words out of my mouth!! ;)
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I listened to it again and got all that he was saying :)
His words, “The photograph that it was taken from is Michael laying on a stage, with his head leaning back it is identical to the same forehead appearance and the same mouth appearance. It could possibly be a real picture but I would give it a 99.9% chance that it was photo shopped. It is a fake. I‘m saying it looks like a fake and if they wanna prove it differently then I‘d be interested in seeing the evidence.”
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Did they show that picture in the video???
Of course they re-made it and didn't use the exact comparison...
I'd like to know, WHEN they did that.
This is huge!
Its exactly the same picture and comparion because i saved it to my computer months ago.
Here it is:
No, they cut out the edited part from wandulka (that's exactly the same) and re-made the set of pics for the comparison AND put THEIR name on it.
This is really RUDE!
See, their pics on the bottom have the same height, while in wandulka's comparison the left of the two pics on the bottom is higher.
OH, I just saw they DID use wandulka pic for a split second at 0:55 and then switch to the other one. I didn't even notice it without watching frame by frame. THIS is weird!
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He also clearly states
"I'm saying it looks like a fake, and if they want to prove it differently, I'd be interested in seeing the evidence."
Sounds like he's as skeptical as everyone here, but cannot provide definitive proof that is ISN'T fake. He believes it's the stage photo, which it quite subjective. I'm not saying it's not photoshopped, but it sounds like Oxman doesn't have definitive proof, either.
No, he doesn't have definitve proof; the stage photo is subjective and there is more than one of Michael on his back. If the photo is fake, that doesn't necessarily mean Michael isn't gone. It could just mean that the photo is fake. The paramedic's report will be evidence in court, I'm sure. I'll stop there.
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Just think all of those weeks pouring over the pictures with a slight tinge that we might be looking at a real picture then we are told we are right. but how will they get out of this one with the photographer he must have been paid a lot of money for that picture how will they explain it.
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Okay so we have the picture that was used to put in the original but where is the original?? That's what i would like to know..we have the pictures floating around with his head that was put into the ambulance but where is the picture BEFORE his head is put in???
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I have a strong feeling this was Michael's idea. He's a genious.
Since the media already payed Ben for the picture, they can't really get it back.
And it really helps get Michael's message across of not letting the media feed you lies.
More:
Mike probably gave the picture to Ben, told him to sell it.
Ben scatters it all over the media. People believe it, and the fact that he's dead.
This is proven to be a lie, so people might be start to wonder about what other lies there are.
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did this news really come out today??? So the court calendar is right!!! OMG This is AMAZING. SOON AND VERY SOON WE ARE GOING TO SEE THE KING!
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Brian Oxman is leading a campaign on twitter to get the charges upped on Murray from IM to Murder in the 2nd Degree. I don't know how hopeful that is. :?
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i don't think this proves he is alive, but someone like Brian Oxman to have an opinion on a fake photograph is a point in the right direction IMO, things are creeping up here and there and i think this is a positive opinion from someone important!! whether its just an opinion or not its got my attention!!
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[youtube:2lt2uhek]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRLV9djXZ34[/youtube:2lt2uhek]
i posted it for you
see their listening
are they trying to throw us off guard
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Brian Oxman is leading a campaign on twitter to get the charges upped on Murray from IM to Murder in the 2nd Degree. I don't know how hopeful that is. :?
Do you have a link to his twitter? Many thanks
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Yeah, I made the comparison...they didn't even bother to give proper credit..
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-ho ... -t1625.htm (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/the-ambulance-photo-theory-t1625.htm)
SUE THEM!!! :D
This is phenomenal. At first they laughed at us... they mocked us.
BUT WE KNEW THE TRUTH FROM THE BEGINNING!!!!!!
NOW THEY LISTEN TO US!!!!
Hehe, no, I'm glad they're letting the world know, but they should have at least credited our forum, right? This is rude :evil: :lol:
well, if they did tell people to come looking here, it would blow the lid off of everything, wouldn't it? everything here put together is such valuable info and it's all pretty much verifiable. but the screams on the pic got loud enough, i guess, so they probably finally had to say something about it. it was too obvious that this wasn't michael in 2009 and before the dvd comes out next week with people looking even closer at everything(pausing stuff and looking again and again, putting clues together at home...), there would have been more stir. they need that as much as a hole in the head, so they took the wind out of that sail before it even came up. give the dog a bone...
scream louder everybody!
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Brian Oxman is leading a campaign on twitter to get the charges upped on Murray from IM to Murder in the 2nd Degree. I don't know how hopeful that is. :?
Do you have a link to his twitter? Many thanks
on the flip side if there isnt the evidence cm will get off - is that the plan
but the DA would be a fool if the evidence is not there
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FIRST THEY LAUGHED AS US, THEY TOLD US WE WERE CRAZY
NOW THEY ARE USING OUR RESEARCH!!
NOW THEY LISTEN TO US.
Wa ha ha haaaa... i got angry the other day when SAMANTHA DEGOSSEN used this photo on her facebook. Karen Faye and Samantha block Hoax believers in the past and have been very judgemental... but NOW they use our research. They know we are on to something.
Makes me feel good my gut instinct was right all along.. thats why im still here and havent left.
Lots of people are beginning to open their eyes and realise that what they are being told isnt the truth... whether that is because MJ has been murdered and this is a HUGE cover up.. or because he is alive... one way or another WE have started to expose the lies.
Ha Ha! ;) Well said, again, my friend! I have always trusted my gut from day one! I have told so many people here in the USA that MJ is still alive, and they have laughed in my face. But, I never really cared what people said me because I always knew that MJ is smart like a fox! ;) He is capable of pulling anything off. Here in the USA, the Wacko Presso is so controlled. That is why, I have always looked outside of the USA media for a different perspective. First of all, I always knew that people would begin to see the missing pieces of the jigsaw did not add up. MJ, I love you more! ;) God bless everyone on this site for your diligent efforts, your loving research, and your caring support for all who joined us in this great adventure. MJ, You have rocked my world since I was a little girl of eleven. I love you more than words could ever express, my darling MJ! ;)
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Brian Oxman is leading a campaign on twitter to get the charges upped on Murray from IM to Murder in the 2nd Degree. I don't know how hopeful that is. :?
Do you have a link to his twitter? Many thanks
congrats for your postings and your threads - pp are watching you.
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I have a strong feeling this was Michael's idea. He's a genious.
Since the media already payed Ben for the picture, they can't really get it back.
And it really helps get Michael's message across of not letting the media feed you lies.
More:
Mike probably gave the picture to Ben, told him to sell it.
Ben scatters it all over the media. People believe it, and the fact that he's dead.
This is proven to be a lie, so people might be start to wonder about what other lies there are.
Kind of reminds me of the time MJ leaked this photo to the press.... :lol: :lol:
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Sorry about that, I meant facebook
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Brian-Oxman/269101212261?ref=ts
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HOLY SHIT ON SOGGY FRENCH TOAST!!!! (sorry about that)
This is the best EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!! I am so happy right!! WOOT!!!!
But then why up GM charges to 2nd degree murder if this is fake?????
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did this news really come out today??? So the court calendar is right!!! OMG This is AMAZING. SOON AND VERY SOON WE ARE GOING TO SEE THE KING!
This was the sign for today. Little by little it's all coming out. They can't hide it for long! 8-)
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did this news really come out today??? So the court calendar is right!!! OMG This is AMAZING. SOON AND VERY SOON WE ARE GOING TO SEE THE KING!
This was the sign for today. Little by little it's all coming out. They can't hide it for long! 8-)
OMG! I really want to SCREAM but this time of HAPPINESS NOT FRUSTRATION LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BRAVOOOOOOOOOOOO !!! :D ;) THIS ARE REAL NEWS !! and bravo to all who worked to prove that this photo is fake. In my country, I'm from Europe, together with some people we wrote about this photo since July on a forum and most of the members called us crazy, and did a lot of irony, you know very well this attitude.Now I'm so happy that we didn't gave up. In all the countries of Europe and mabye Asia and of course USA were forums and disscused all these starting with June 25. So all together from whole World have searched for the TRUTH all the time and we will go on because ;) It's all for L.O.V.E. ;)
I remember Nuez's painting and he said was a gift for MJ. The photo was published by TMZ: in that painting is President Obama boxing and down was written on a strip :
ALIVE TOGETHER WE CAN ........ and here at the end of strip was painted the Globe
I hope I remember well this painting
MJ, I L.O.V.E. YOU SO MUCH !!!
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*happy*
geeez that s what we needed...
and i don t think Evenstad will be in trouble for selling it. It s the media s job to check what they show the public. It s their own fault if they didnt do their job right.
I remember watching on french tv a story bout a singer who sent pics of him when he was a child to a newspaper who asked for them. But the pics werent his. He found some on internet. But the newspaper published them without checking they were real. Well in the end they looked really silly cause the singer explained the truth. he said he wanted to show people that media are lying and not checking their infos
Soon and very soon :D
Can u feel it? MJ is coming back!
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I listened to it again and got all that he was saying :)
His words, “The photograph that it was taken from is Michael laying on a stage, with his head leaning back it is identical to the same forehead appearance and the same mouth appearance. It could possibly be a real picture but I would give it a 99.9% chance that it was photo shopped. It is a fake. I‘m saying it looks like a fake and if they wanna prove it differently then I‘d be interested in seeing the evidence.”
If he thinks the ambulance picture is fake, then he must also believe the death is apparently a fake also. He almost verbalizes t in the part that says "...if they wanna prove it differently then I'd be interested in seeing the evidence." How else could they prove with evidence less they show him an actual body, which apparently he hasn't seen and now holds some serious doubt about. Just my opinion. But this could be major for real guys. I'm trying to hold my composure, but I feel a big, wide grin forming on my face :D
Michael I LOVE YOU!
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Has anyone thought of emailing this youtube vid to all the MAJOR news outlets like CNN, FOXNEWS etc? We need to do this to make them understand and broadcat it!! I dont think they will but you KNOW if they hear it from Oxmans mouth they will run with it!! Then everyone will know the truth!!!!!
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When Michael returns some of his so called "friends, comrades" are gonna get the shock of their lives. They have done some under handed stuff in these last 7 months thinking that Michael would never again see the light of day; so they were "safe in backstabbing and conniving". Boy, to be a fly on the wall when he returns. Talking about BAMSDAY. I know MJ is making a list and checking it twice. When the axe falls, some heads are gonna roll. I can't WAIT :twisted:
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When Michael returns some of his so called "friends, comrades" are gonna get the shock of their lives. They have done some under handed stuff in these last 7 months thinking that Michael would never again see the light of day; so they were "safe in backstabbing and conniving". Boy, to be a fly on the wall when he returns. Talking about BAMSDAY. I know MJ is making a list and checking it twice. When the axe falls, some heads are gonna roll. I can't WAIT :twisted:
I hope he makes a list of who the HOAX believers are.. who has been investigating and revealing the truth... so that when BHAMs day does come, he will invite us all to Neverland for a party!!!
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When Michael returns some of his so called "friends, comrades" are gonna get the shock of their lives. They have done some under handed stuff in these last 7 months thinking that Michael would never again see the light of day; so they were "safe in backstabbing and conniving". Boy, to be a fly on the wall when he returns. Talking about BAMSDAY. I know MJ is making a list and checking it twice. When the axe falls, some heads are gonna roll. I can't WAIT :twisted:
EXACTLY!!!!
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Brian Oxman is leading a campaign on twitter to get the charges upped on Murray from IM to Murder in the 2nd Degree. I don't know how hopeful that is. :?
Do you have a link to his twitter? Many thanks
I see Susan Etouk is a friend.
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When Michael returns some of his so called "friends, comrades" are gonna get the shock of their lives. They have done some under handed stuff in these last 7 months thinking that Michael would never again see the light of day; so they were "safe in backstabbing and conniving". Boy, to be a fly on the wall when he returns. Talking about BAMSDAY. I know MJ is making a list and checking it twice. When the axe falls, some heads are gonna roll. I can't WAIT :twisted:
I hope he makes a list of who the HOAX believers are.. who has been investigating and revealing the truth... so that when BHAMs day does come, he will invite us all to Neverland for a party!!!
Crossing fingers, and toes :lol:
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Yes! I am glad this has been confirmed!!!!!! :D
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why havent we seen this on english/us tv or what is tmz saying about it - anything
is there an english translation
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why havent we seen this on english/us tv or what is tmz saying about it - anything
is there an english translation
Exactly!! Its been hidden.. this isnt on any US or UK news outlets...
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This news is awesome!! I think it will only be a matter of time before the media starts looking into our site and seeing all the inconsistancies that we have uncovered in this whole story. I won't be surprised if we see more and more of our information being used by the media, to cause "doubt" with the public, regarding Michael's "death."
...and it all began with us!!! :D
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i wonder what else the family are going to debunk
why did they do this
wonder what ben will do
wonder what tmz will do - interview ben
that would be great - are you going to watch - hell yes
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Has this been revealed in the news in the US anywhere? I would like to hear what the commentators are saying in English.
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FIRST THEY LAUGHED AS US, THEY TOLD US WE WERE CRAZY
NOW THEY ARE USING OUR RESEARCH!!
NOW THEY LISTEN TO US.
Wa ha ha haaaa... i got angry the other day when SAMANTHA DEGOSSEN used this photo on her facebook. Karen Faye and Samantha block Hoax believers in the past and have been very judgemental... but NOW they use our research. They know we are on to something.
Makes me feel good my gut instinct was right all along.. thats why im still here and havent left.
Lots of people are beginning to open their eyes and realise that what they are being told isnt the truth... whether that is because MJ has been murdered and this is a HUGE cover up.. or because he is alive... one way or another WE have started to expose the lies.
And i for one am proud and honoured to be a part of this forum, and feel part of a 'family' searching for the truth and justice what was it Michael said that has now been proved sooo true?? ....there is nothing that can't be done If we raise our voice as one
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maybe since the mainstream us and british news arent up to date we should email their newsrooms about it?????????
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did that really need to be confirmed????the whole thing is artifical
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I am feeling mighty good today :lol: :lol: . I have a very special dedication that goes out to Ben Evanstad and Christopher Weiss of the National Photo Company. Since you guys like to live dangerously, this one is for you:
Tabloid Junkie - by Michael Jackson
Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
As the hounding media in hysteria
Who's the next for you to resurrect
JFK exposed the CIA
Truth be told the grassy knoll
As the blackmail story in all your glory
It's slander
You say it's not a sword
But with your pen you torture men
You'd crucify the Lord
And you don't have to read it (read it)
And you don't have to eat it (eat it)
To buy it is to feed it (feed it)
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
They say he's homosexual
In the hood
Frame him if you could
Shoot to kill
To blame him if you will
If he dies sympathize
Such false witnesses
Damn self righteousness
In the black
Stab me in the back
In the face
To lie and shame the race
Heroine and Marilyn
As the headline stories of
All your glory
It's slander
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it (buy it)
And they won't glorify it ('fy it)
To read it sanctifies it ('fies it)
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
(Everybody wants to read all about it)
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
(See, but everybody wants to believe all about it)
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
(See, but everybody wants to believe all about it)
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
She's blonde and she's bisexual
Scandal
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it (buy it)
And they won't glorify it ('fy it)
To read it sanctifies it ('fies it)
Why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Slander
You say it's not a sin
But with your pen you torture men
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
(Though everybody wants to read all about it)
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
(See, but everybody wants to read all about it)
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
You're so damn disrespectable
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Brian Oxman confirms the ambulance picture is a fake, we already know the picture IS fake. Oxmans not saying MJs not dead. Hes just saying the picture is fake, hows this such good news??
A couple weeks ago I remember Joe Jackson saying he going to sue the people that put out the fake ambulance photo, so mayb this is what Joe's getting ready to do??
Maybe he getting ready to sue Ben E.
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wow this has made my day :) i wonder why Brian has decided to come clean after all this time? hahahaha he's been caught red handed!!
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Every important television channel and newspaper who respects itself must take over this news because the only prove that MJ was dead was this photo released then. This was the strongest evidence of the cardiac arrest and after that of the death, which media showed to the the whole World.
If they want to be on top of the news they should hurry to give this news ;) It's my friendly advice :D otherwise there are always OTHERS to be the FIRST !!! :lol: :lol: And this is Break News. Can you imagine ?? the only photo that proves MJ's cardiac arrest IS FAKE !! Wake up media !
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This is huge news for so many reasons - why are representatives of the family looking into HOAX sites for their evidence, shouldn't they be doing their own research? But for those who don't get it - it doesn't matter so much that the pic is probably fake like we knew it was, it's the fact they're now pulling at a loose thread, and this is where the story of what really happened that day might start to unravel... What's Ben Evanstad going to say for himself now?
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This is huge news for so many reasons - why are representatives of the family looking into HOAX sites for their evidence, shouldn't they be doing their own research? But for those who don't get it - it doesn't matter so much that the pic is probably fake like we knew it was, it's the fact they're now pulling at a loose thread, and this is where the story of what really happened that day might start to unravel... What's Ben Evanstad going to say for himself now?
... and the truth shall set you free ;)
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this was Jermaine message on twitter on February 7
it's important to raise our followers so we can share truths to fans over the coming months of media madness. that is very important to us.
I believe it already starts the media madness with this NEWS about the fake photo
I must tell you and please think about it: some of you said here we knew this, yes we knew, but you know how many don't know and truly believe that this photo is real? A lot of people believe this, because that was given by media on June 25 and until now remains the same. So it's not important what WE know, it's important the WHOLE World to be informed
Shake quote :
why are representatives of the family looking into HOAX sites for their evidence, shouldn't they be doing their own research?
Do you really believe this? come on, they are not babies, it comes NOW because this IS THE MOMENT, pls. read carefully Jermaine's tweet.
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did this news really come out today??? So the court calendar is right!!! OMG This is AMAZING. SOON AND VERY SOON WE ARE GOING TO SEE THE KING!
This was the sign for today. Little by little it's all coming out. They can't hide it for long! 8-)
OMG! I really want to SCREAM but this time of HAPPINESS NOT FRUSTRATION LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BAMSDAY is NEAR :D :D :D :D
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Shake quote :
why are representatives of the family looking into HOAX sites for their evidence, shouldn't they be doing their own research?
Do you really believe this? come on, they are not babies, it comes NOW because this IS THE MOMENT, pls. read carefully Jermaine's tweet.
I believe they used a picture from a hoax site, yes. One of the users on this thread confirmed that.
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this was Jermaine message on twitter on February 7
it's important to raise our followers so we can share truths to fans over the coming months of media madness. that is very important to us.
I believe it already starts the media madness with this NEWS about the fake photo
I must tell you and please think about it: some of you said here we knew this, yes we knew, but you know how many don't know and truly believe that this photo is real? A lot of people believe this, because that was given by media on June 25 and until now remains the same. So it's not important what WE know, it's important the WHOLE World to be informed
Shake quote :
why are representatives of the family looking into HOAX sites for their evidence, shouldn't they be doing their own research?
Do you really believe this? come on, they are not babies, it comes NOW because this IS THE MOMENT, pls. read carefully Jermaine's tweet.
@Akiraka, thank you so much for posting Jermaine's tweet. Very interesting and revealing at the same time. ;) Does someone has the link to Jermaine's Twitter account? Thank you in advance. Jermaine, if you can read this message, my mum just loves you!
To the haters, guess what the World Whole, is going to see the King of Music soon ;) , Hallelujah, Hallelujah! Praise Jesus!
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Has anyone heard Brian Oxford confirm this to the U.S. media?
All hell will break lose, when Ben Evenstad has to explain this.
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darkchild ;)
I made a mistake is not Jermaine's twitter is this one ALLJACK5ONS where are all tweeting, and sometime a message is signed JJ - Jermaine, or Study Peace- Marlon, or Tito but here on this account was this message and other messages which I saved.
http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS)
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did this news really come out today??? So the court calendar is right!!! OMG This is AMAZING. SOON AND VERY SOON WE ARE GOING TO SEE THE KING!
This was the sign for today. Little by little it's all coming out. They can't hide it for long! 8-)
OMG! I really want to SCREAM but this time of HAPPINESS NOT FRUSTRATION LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BAMSDAY is NEAR :D :D :D :D
YEAH I CAN FEEL IT!!!!
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tabloidburn wrote:
before the dvd comes out next week
What dvd? I missed something here but please tell me what dvd. :o
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darkchild ;)
I made a mistake is not Jermaine's twitter is this one ALLJACK5ONS where are all tweeting, and sometime a message is signed JJ - Jermaine, or Study Peace- Marlon, or Tito but here on this account was this message and other messages which I saved.
http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS)
Akiraka ;) , God bless you, for the link. I am saving everything I find as well plus the info from Jermaine's tweet just in case it disappears from the internet!
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I wonder if Brian has to approve what he says by the Jacksons first. OR since he is the Jackson's spokesperson, this is what they think, that the ambulance photo is fake. It could be them!
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Call me selfish but for the last few months for me the final confirmation has been his return. I think i'm already totally convinced that Michael is alive. So these new proofs, clues, slip ups don't really excite me as it used to like back in july-september. I just need to see Michael coming back to confirm it 100%, untill that happens, i will not be sure 100%. That's why when i doubt if he's ever gonna return, i start doubting in the hoax. Ok i'm weird! :oops:
p.s. please forgive me for going off topic!
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I find this very exciting!!! :D
Dont you guys wonder who exacly visits this site and reads what we have to say and what we think? :)
I love it! But most importantly I LOVE YOU MICHAEL! ;) :D
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This is awesome! I'm truly happy about this, now I wonder what else will be revealed? There are a LOT of people in high places watching this forum - you can feel it.
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Seeing clues on twitter says Karen's 'friend' Samantha sent the photo to Oxman.
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Considering that we all pretty much agreed from the day this photo was released that it was photoshopped, this is not surprising news. However, it is very surprising that a Jackson spokesperson is speaking about it as well. When I look at the big picture now, and consider the fact that this photo was the only so called proof that any of the fans ever received to confirm his death, it makes it even more clear that this was all a hoax which I have always believed anyway. For me personally, the fact that this photo has now been "Jackson" debunked, we have not been shown a body in any way (via memorial or photos), and the fact that in almost 8 months NOONE from the hospital has said anything, all convinces me even more so that my gut was 100% right from the moment of the announcement.
MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE!!!!!!!!!
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Seeing clues on twitter says Karen's 'friend' Samantha sent the photo to Oxman.
Can you please post the twitter message? Sounds very interesting. I cannot believe that Samantha is credited with sending the fake ambulance photo to Brian Oxman. Hmmm, methinks that Samantha has been on the DL@ this site looking that the great investigating work being done here! ;)
We do it for Michael and for L.O.V.E. :D
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@souza81 @MJAlive999 Samantha, Karen Faye's friend "discovered" it and sent it to him. It has been debunked. about 3 hours ago from web
http://twitter.com/SeeingClues (http://twitter.com/SeeingClues)
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Hi Michael and Brian! We know you're reading!
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THIS IS AMAZING NEWS!!!!! WE ALL HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FROM THE BEGINNING!!!
SO WHY DID MR. BRIAN OXMAN WAIT UNTIL NOW TO SAY THE PICTURES ARE FAKE????
DID HE NOT SEE THEM LIKE WE AND THE WHOLE WORLD DID FROM THE BEGINNING..
DIDN'T THE WHOLE JACKSON 'FAMILY SEE THEM BUT THEY SAID NOTHING.
WE MUST PUT OUR THINKING CAPS ON AND ANALYZE THIS VERY CAREFULLY. WE HAVE BEEN
SCREAMING THIS FROM THE START. I KNOW ABLE TO GET ON THIS SITE WHEN AMY WAS RUNNING THINGS BUT I TOLD EVERYONE OF MY FRIENDS THOSE PICTURES ARE A FAKE. JONELL STAR AND SO MANY HOAX BELIEVERS HAD BLASTED IT ALL ON YOUTUBE. NOW JOE WANTS TO SUE BUT WHY DOES HE NOT WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. WHY DOES JOE NOT SAY I AM GOING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS. STILL
THE FAMILY DOES NOT MAKE ANY SINCE.
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When Michael returns some of his so called "friends, comrades" are gonna get the shock of their lives. They have done some under handed stuff in these last 7 months thinking that Michael would never again see the light of day; so they were "safe in backstabbing and conniving". Boy, to be a fly on the wall when he returns. Talking about BAMSDAY. I know MJ is making a list and checking it twice. When the axe falls, some heads are gonna roll. I can't WAIT :twisted:
I hope he makes a list of who the HOAX believers are.. who has been investigating and revealing the truth... so that when BHAMs day does come, he will invite us all to Neverland for a party!!!
Crossing fingers, and toes :lol:
OMG! That would be a dream come true for all of us. The world could end the next day and we'd all be happy and full of love :)
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SC here..
A fellow hoax investigator purposely smudged the face on one of the MJ ambulance photos so she could put it on a legitimate EMT forum so the paramedics on the message board could answer questions about the age of the ambulance and the equipment. Her mistake was smudging it and not blacking it out. The smudged photo is causing people to think it's a real photo and it has gotten quite out of hand. At first I had thought it was legit (I had found it on the EMTBravowest.com forum) but then when I PM'd the original poster of the photo, they admitted they smudged the face.
Here is the photo and their PM to me that they smudged the photo.
[attachment=0:3hz7mm60]66941224.jpg[/attachment:3hz7mm60]
Unfortunately..this photo won't die, and new threads are popping up still about this being the undiscovered "real" photo when it was just a hoaxer smudging it. Samantha, one of Karen Faye's friends, also thinks it is real, and I had heard she sent it to Oxman.
There are at least two different angles to the MJ ambulance pic, so for it to be photoshopped, you'd have to have the two "originals" and photoshop them the same. But why release two photoshopped pics that are only slightly different?
Here is what I mean..notice how the leg position of the EMT is slightly different.
[attachment=2:3hz7mm60]400_mjackson_ambulance_.jpg[/attachment:3hz7mm60]
[attachment=1:3hz7mm60]500mjackson_ambulance.jpg[/attachment:3hz7mm60]
I believe that due to the slightly different angles, the theory of a dummy is more plausible than photoshop.
Check out how realistic "dummies" can be these days:
[youtube:3hz7mm60]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YN4scW4KLs[/youtube:3hz7mm60]
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So what does Brian mean is fake?
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So what does Brian mean is fake?
I'm thinking he was presented with the smudged photo and thinks it is real and used an example from one of the hoax sites on how you can photoshop a photo of MJ's face on an actual ambulance photo. But he doesn't reveal what the "original" and "real" ambulance photo is. It's probably that smudged one he saw that gave him the idea. I'm only thinking this because he's been in contact with Karen's people who have been discussing that smudged photo. Everyone is getting excited over this but Brian Oxman is just making an ass out of himself.
i hope I'm wrong but since Karen's people think the smudged photo is real, I'm thinking that is the source for Brian Oxman's photoshop theory.
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Oh, well if Michael was really gone, they probably wouldn't even think about this photo in the first place. Maybe they believe he is alive, therefore it must be fake.
Then he must have the smudged one. I still think the ambulance photo is fake and that they photoshopped it because Michael looks too dark, they took off the shine that you see in his stage photo.
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I just learned of this and am shocked that an official actually came out and told the TROOT for once that the pic is indeed a fake and also one that was posted here as a possibilty of him laying on the stage.
I wonder now how much more revelations will be made and also,this totally is :lol: because he just shot poor Joe's lawsuit that he was suing over the "death photo" :lol: ;)
I included the link to the video again incase it suddenly disappears from blogs,etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRLV9djX ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRLV9djXZ34&feature=player_embedded)
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Ok, seeing clues, now that makes me feel worried again. :|
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The media's thread is unraveling..
TRUTH
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So what does Brian mean is fake?
I'm thinking he was presented with the smudged photo and thinks it is real and used an example from one of the hoax sites on how you can photoshop a photo of MJ's face on an actual ambulance photo. But he doesn't reveal what the "original" and "real" ambulance photo is. It's probably that smudged one he saw that gave him the idea. I'm only thinking this because he's been in contact with Karen's people who have been discussing that smudged photo. Everyone is getting excited over this but Brian Oxman is just making an ass out of himself.
i hope I'm wrong but since Karen's people think the smudged photo is real, I'm thinking that is the source for Brian Oxman's photoshop theory.
Good theory...Something to definately think about....... :?
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I just hope that these Hoax Forums get their due recognition for doing all the investigation for all these months.Otherwise apart from the members and guests who visit this forum, the world wont come to know about this on a large scale.
I dont mean to say that we want publicity. Its just that People should know that a minority of the population of the world knew the truth all along......People should know what we did, all those thories, all those evidences, all those conclusions that were drawn on these forums need to be seen by the rest of the world that so blindly believes that Michael Jackson has REALLY PASSED ON (ITS A FIRST PASSING THOUGH !! :lol: )
Good Job Mr.Oxman! Keep the good worK up!! Next time, Dont forget to mention us!!
Looks this is finally gettin over.
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OMG ! OMG ! OMG !
What a day !!!
I love you Mr. Oxman !
( oh and I love Jermaine , too ) :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I'm surprised he isn't touching on the two videos of the ambulance leaving. If he talked about the ambulance video where Ben doesn't even reach the right side of the ambulance to take the picture he could prove 100% it was shopped. But then there is the other video showing that Ben reached it :lol:
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Wow the truth is finally starting to come to the surface. Finally. Yeah but we already knew this pic was fake anyway so thanks for the confirmation. This is the time to be listening to everyone who is speaking about MJ. Jermaine who makes a slip up about the airport instead of saying hospital. Even Celine Deon recently talking about MJ being in good health for This is it. Yeah it's unraveling now. This is not by coincidence.
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and the video is removed from youtube now. damn.... i didn't see it... can someone post the photo he was talking about?
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Here is a link . I hope it works , my friend :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbGrrNyMpZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbGrrNyMpZY)
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The ice is melting. I think we're nearing the end of this long and elaborate game. Mike, you are the master!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRLV9djXZ34
Do you have another link. When I click on it, it said it has been removed by user.
P.S.
I found a link.
[youtube:36u9oc2l]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbGrrNyMpZY[/youtube:36u9oc2l]
I am so glad that the truth is finally comng out. Everyone give yourself a pat on the back. It's almost over. The truth is revealing.
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omg everything falling inot place next will be autopsys fake and burial then michael will come back yay lol :lol:
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Yeooo! :D
We're getting places, we are! :D :D :D
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That's the picture I was looking for....Michael laying down on the stage. A member posted that a few weeks ago and now I see that another member posted it months ago. So, WTF!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
I do hope they credited our forum for uncovering the truth long before they would admit to it. What's Ben gonna say now?? :lol:
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Yes I think they credited our forum for the pic. 8-)
So, what's up Ben ?
That was the pic you took that day or the other dahhh...???
(Do you think that we will hear anything from Ben ...?)
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I not good with this stuff, and I got to get to work, but someone needs to send that video link to the US media outlets and to Ben and Christopher and WHATSSSUP!!! :roll:
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Here is a link . I hope it works , my friend :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbGrrNyMpZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbGrrNyMpZY)
thank you :)
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Integrity » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:09 am
THIS IS AMAZING NEWS!!!!! WE ALL HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FROM THE BEGINNING!!!
SO WHY DID MR. BRIAN OXMAN WAIT UNTIL NOW TO SAY THE PICTURES ARE FAKE????
DID HE NOT SEE THEM LIKE WE AND THE WHOLE WORLD DID FROM THE BEGINNING..
DIDN'T THE WHOLE JACKSON 'FAMILY SEE THEM BUT THEY SAID NOTHING.
WE MUST PUT OUR THINKING CAPS ON AND ANALYZE THIS VERY CAREFULLY. WE HAVE BEEN
SCREAMING THIS FROM THE START. I KNOW ABLE TO GET ON THIS SITE WHEN AMY WAS RUNNING THINGS BUT I TOLD EVERYONE OF MY FRIENDS THOSE PICTURES ARE A FAKE. JONELL STAR AND SO MANY HOAX BELIEVERS HAD BLASTED IT ALL ON YOUTUBE. NOW JOE WANTS TO SUE BUT WHY DOES HE NOT WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. WHY DOES JOE NOT SAY I AM GOING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS. STILL
THE FAMILY DOES NOT MAKE ANY SINCE.[/b]
Yep! I agree!!!! :)
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WOW !And how does it he realized ? :lol: :lol: And so quickly ? :lol: :lol: Only 7 months !!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Nice gay ! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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What makes me angry is first they laugh at us and then they take our investigation for their own use and act like they found out that the pic is fake. WE ARE THE ONES WHO FOUND THAT OUT!!! They act like we are weirdos and don´t respect MJ and his family. But we love him as much as they do but we are looking for the truth. It´s not that we can´t accept the fact that he is dead. Sure many can´t accept this, if he died we want to know how he died and why he died. And as long as we don´t have real proof it´s ok to think that a hoax could be possible. We love MJ and his family and we respect him. We just want to find out the truth and you know what??? IF HE HOAXED HIS DEATH WE ARE THE FIRST ONES TO FORGIVE!!! And they who think he is dead, many of them would be angry and dissapointed. But our love is stronger than everything. Our love is unconditional. They should stop and say we don´t love him. Cause like I have told you: We would not get angry if he really faked his death and I think they would be outraged. All we want is the truth!!!
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What makes me angry is first they laugh at us and then they take our investigation for their own use and act like they found out that the pic is fake. WE ARE THE ONES WHO FOUND THAT OUT!!! They act like we are weirdos and don´t respect MJ and his family. But we love him as much as they do but we are looking for the truth. It´s not that we can´t accept the fact that he is dead. Sure many can´t accept this, if he died we want to know how he died and why he died. And as long as we don´t have real proof it´s ok to think that a hoax could be possible. We love MJ and his family and we respect him. We just want to find out the truth and you know what??? IF HE HOAXED HIS DEATH WE ARE THE FIRST ONES TO FORGIVE!!! And they who think he is dead, many of them would be angry and dissapointed. But our love is stronger than everything. Our love is unconditional. They should stop and say we don´t love him. Cause like I have told you: We would not get angry if he really faked his death and I think they would be outraged. All we want is the truth!!!
AMEN! ;)
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What makes me angry is first they laugh at us and then they take our investigation for their own use and act like they found out that the pic is fake. WE ARE THE ONES WHO FOUND THAT OUT!!! They act like we are weirdos and don´t respect MJ and his family. But we love him as much as they do but we are looking for the truth. It´s not that we can´t accept the fact that he is dead. Sure many can´t accept this, if he died we want to know how he died and why he died. And as long as we don´t have real proof it´s ok to think that a hoax could be possible. We love MJ and his family and we respect him. We just want to find out the truth and you know what??? IF HE HOAXED HIS DEATH WE ARE THE FIRST ONES TO FORGIVE!!! And they who think he is dead, many of them would be angry and dissapointed. But our love is stronger than everything. Our love is unconditional. They should stop and say we don´t love him. Cause like I have told you: We would not get angry if he really faked his death and I think they would be outraged. All we want is the truth!!!
AMEN! ;)
YESSSSSSSSS!
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Has anyone sent this youtube vid to any media people?
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Has anyone sent this youtube vid to any media people?
NOT ME... BUT I SEE IN THE VIDEO THAT WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM... I DON´T KNOW :?
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I WILL SEND THE LINK TO SOME MEDIA IN MY COUNTRY... ;)
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That's the picture I was looking for....Michael laying down on the stage. A member posted that a few weeks ago and now I see that another member posted it months ago. So, WTF!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
I do hope they credited our forum for uncovering the truth long before they would admit to it. What's Ben gonna say now?? :lol:
I posted that pic, and I guess other people also, was in many places.
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I hardly watch tv, idk if this video has been in any media.
Do you think is a big clue? all hell will break loose now?
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Well, here in Italy the media talked about this. What I don't get is why Mr Oxman revealed the pic is a fake after nearly eight months. We already knew it was a fake, so it's no big news. But I mean... why saying that now? What's the point? What does he want to prove? :?
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Has anyone sent this youtube vid to any media people?
just mailed it to one of my country's best news channels, though i don't think they're gonna respond or show this... all them in this country are f***ed up morons who think they are "oh so realistic" and smart! :evil:
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Yes, the great discovery after 7 months.... :lol:
Well, I have a slight feeling that Joe should be on the outside of things... :roll: :o
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I posted a thread about alvarez being back, the guy who called 911. I wonder why he is back exactly after Oxman revealed to the world that the ambulance is fake. :o
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I posted a thread about alvarez being back, the guy who called 911. I wonder why he is back exactly after Oxman revealed to the world that the ambulance is fake. :o
People/things are starting to come out of the woodwork....
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Yes, the great discovery after 7 months.... :lol:
Well, I have a slight feeling that Joe should be on the outside of things... :roll: :o
better late than never :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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I posted a thread about alvarez being back, the guy who called 911. I wonder why he is back exactly after Oxman revealed to the world that the ambulance is fake. :o
please expand or provide link - its very difficult to find things on the site now
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Maybe the explanation that he got a totally different picture than the famous one makes more sense. Because he sort of snickers, says that picture was taken from Michael laying on the stage.. and don't forget the media is being sued for invasion of privacy by none other than Oxman. He can't have it both ways.
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why didnt he go on LR or TMZ?
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SC here..
A fellow hoax investigator purposely smudged the face on one of the MJ ambulance photos so she could put it on a legitimate EMT forum so the paramedics on the message board could answer questions about the age of the ambulance and the equipment. Her mistake was smudging it and not blacking it out. The smudged photo is causing people to think it's a real photo and it has gotten quite out of hand. At first I had thought it was legit (I had found it on the EMTBravowest.com forum) but then when I PM'd the original poster of the photo, they admitted they smudged the face.
Here is the photo and their PM to me that they smudged the photo.
[attachment=0:34lp6k9n]66941224.jpg[/attachment:34lp6k9n]
Unfortunately..this photo won't die, and new threads are popping up still about this being the undiscovered "real" photo when it was just a hoaxer smudging it. Samantha, one of Karen Faye's friends, also thinks it is real, and I had heard she sent it to Oxman.
There are at least two different angles to the MJ ambulance pic, so for it to be photoshopped, you'd have to have the two "originals" and photoshop them the same. But why release two photoshopped pics that are only slightly different?
Here is what I mean..notice how the leg position of the EMT is slightly different.
[attachment=2:34lp6k9n]400_mjackson_ambulance_.jpg[/attachment:34lp6k9n]
[attachment=1:34lp6k9n]500mjackson_ambulance.jpg[/attachment:34lp6k9n]
I believe that due to the slightly different angles, the theory of a dummy is more plausible than photoshop.
Check out how realistic "dummies" can be these days:
[youtube:34lp6k9n]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YN4scW4KLs[/youtube:34lp6k9n]
I cant believe how real those dummies looked they look like real dead bodies they would fool anybody at first.
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so we all looked at it and knew it was an old picture surely the family must have thought that as well they are the ones that saw him in the flesh and all his workers body guards etc so they have all been keeping quiet for avery good reason you are so clever Michael well done looking forward to seeing you soon.
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I posted a thread about alvarez being back, the guy who called 911. I wonder why he is back exactly after Oxman revealed to the world that the ambulance is fake. :o
People/things are starting to come out of the woodwork....
Alvarez was seen at the Grammys, remember?
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[youtube:34kj3gcn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVffO-mNLdE[/youtube:34kj3gcn]
Confused you won't be after this episode of Soap
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I posted a thread about alvarez being back, the guy who called 911. I wonder why he is back exactly after Oxman revealed to the world that the ambulance is fake. :o
People/things are starting to come out of the woodwork....
Alvarez was seen at the Grammys, remember?
NO!!! I missed that!!! Really???????????????????
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If he was at the Grammys, it can mean only one thing right? He was taking care of MJ :mrgreen:
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So I'm asking is any media in USA has announced this statement made by Mr. Oxman? And if until this hour they did not I'm asking WHY ??? Are they silent ? again asking WHY?
If there is no interest to be on media we should ask ourselves WHY?
I believe this is on what we should focus now !! M E D I A
Don't you think this is what MJ wants to prove?
They act very quickly on June 25 to announce his death. What about now? What are they waiting for?
I'm from Europe and in my country we'll try to get this to media. I believe is very important, we must not let the things like that, I mean this already must be mediatized all over the World.
Please tell me if there are any news from other countries related to Mr. Oxman's statement .
UK, France, Germany, Russia, Poland, Australia etc.............
By the way, ITALY BRAVOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!
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steffmaster1 wrote, omg everything falling inot place next will be autopsys fake and burial then michael will come back yay lol
¡YES¡ :lol: :lol: :lol:
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So I'm asking is any media in USA has announced this statement made by Mr. Oxman? And if until this hour they did not I'm asking WHY ??? Are they silent ? again asking WHY?
If there is no interest to be on media we should ask ourselves WHY?
I believe this is on what we should focus now !! M E D I A
Don't you think this is what MJ wants to prove?
They act very quickly on June 25 to announce his death. What about now? What are they waiting for?
I'm from Europe and in my country we'll try to get this to media. I believe is very important, we must not let the things like that, I mean this already must be mediatized all over the World.
Please tell me if there are any news from other countries related to Mr. Oxman's statement .
UK, France, Germany, Russia, Poland, Australia etc.............
By the way, ITALY BRAVOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!
Im in the US and as far as I know, they havent said a word yet. Thats why I wanted to send the video to CNN, FOXNEWS etc....if they hear the photo is fake from a lawyers mouth then they may talk about it.
The media in the US is full of doodoo. they only allow us to hear what THEY want us to hear.
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wooow this is the best news i've had since ages its made my day!!!!! This is totally amazing and i hope this will be the begining of MJ revealing himself to us yayyyy :P
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i suppose it is like what venus said
that whether the photo is fake or not, it is not proof that mj is alive - all it is a further opinion that the photo is fake nothing more.
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arabian nights is not quite so.. it's a fake photo that media showed us as being a REAL ONE. Maybe media was fooled, it's not my problem that, now they must make the correction.
And it's not the photo of a dead chicken, it's the photo of MJ THE KING OF POP !!! so it's HUGE difference do you understand me ? ;)
I don't care if it proves or not anything, I care that since that day seeing that photo on all media channels we all don't sleep, don't eat, WE SUFFERED !!! yes ? so I want media to give Mr. Oxman's statement nothing more, It's their DUTY to do so.
And I have to contradict you, but do you remember everyone, inclusive media, said : "did you see that photo" ?? "is MJ there intubated, in coma etc........... cardiac arrest" SO IF IT IS FAKE , as we all said for 7 months, it proves 1 thing : MJ was not in coma, not in cardiac arrest, not intubated, it's so simple no big philosophy.
Based on a fake photo you can't say those things, BUT those were said and reached to every citizen on this Planet, now must be made the correction.
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In the Netherlands, it was also on the tv!!!
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arabian nights is not quite so.. it's a fake photo that media showed us as being a REAL ONE. Maybe media was fooled, it's not my problem that, now they must make the correction.
And it's not the photo of a dead chicken, it's the photo of MJ THE KING OF POP !!! so it's HUGE difference do you understand me ? ;)
I don't care if it proves or not anything, I care that since that day seeing that photo on all media channels we all don't sleep, don't eat, WE SUFFERED !!! yes ? so I want media to give Mr. Oxman's statement nothing more, It's their DUTY to do so.
And I have to contradict you, but do you remember everyone, inclusive media, said : "did you see that photo" ?? "is MJ there intubated, in coma etc........... cardiac arrest" SO IF IT IS FAKE , as we all said for 7 months, it proves 1 thing : MJ was not in coma, not in cardiac arrest, not intubated, it's so simple no big philosophy.
Based on a fake photo you can't say those things, BUT those were said and reached to every citizen on this Planet, now must be made the correction.
the maybe proper way to complain is through the media compliants authority - that you must have in america - or press association
why not consider complaining to ok magazine and ET who posted it i think
this cannot be the first time the media has posted an incorrect item of information in the US, what happens?
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has brian made such a complaint or the family - if not why not
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i don't get it...WHY NOW????
Not even a week ago(?) Joe jackson was going to sue those that published that pic, claiming violation of privacy... Oxman is Joe's lawyer...He's just taken a probably do-able lawsuit away from his own client .... How would this all fit in???
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I remember on Geraldo, he referred to Oxman as the family spokesperson and not actually their lawyer.
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The link to the video on the first page doesn't work for me. The user of this yt account has removed the video. Does anyone else have another link for this video? I'd like to see it. Thanks :)
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Kuki ;)
BRAVOOOOOOOOO Netherlands
arabian nights I'm not from USA.
And I don't see this as a complain, I see it like a natural behaviour of media to take over Mr. Oxman's video record from that italian TV channel /transmission and give it to the public. It's like an event happens somewhere on the globe and all the other televisions transmit this either directly or second day.
Or maybe I don't understand who the things are going on, but I must tell you that everybody are waiting to see this as media news on many channels.
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joe does not have any resources - he claims?
oxman would be very expensive
is oxman actually employed by joe, does he do work pro bono?
or is he making publicity for his firm?
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Kuki ;)
BRAVOOOOOOOOO Netherlands
arabian nights I'm not from USA.
And I don't see this as a complain, I see it like a natural behaviour of media to take over Mr. Oxman's video record from that italian TV channel /transmission and give it to the public. It's like an event happens somewhere on the globe and all the other televisions transmit this either directly or second day.
Or maybe I don't understand who the things are going on, but I must tell you that everybody are waiting to see this as media news on many channels.
yes yes - i understand your point
i am just thinking what is the correct way of dealing with this
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Brian Oxman confirms the ambulance picture is a fake, we already know the picture IS fake. Oxmans not saying MJs not dead. Hes just saying the picture is fake, hows this such good news??
I agree generally with this point of view, except Brian does say it is possible that the photo is real. I can't see how Ben E won't be in trouble if this photo is fake, because surely he sold a photo for a LOT of money on the false premise that it was real? As for the family, with this photo being the only one available (aside from the other angles) of MJ in the ambulance i can see them wanting to put an end to this issue one way or another. Particularly if they believe the photo was fake. I can imagine them being very angry at Ben E. for taking such a personal picture and profiting so heavily. Presuming their suspicions were aroused about it being photoshopped i can imagine them wanting to give Ben a taste of his own medicine for being such a vulture. Either way, the actions of this man Ben are despicable especially since he supposedly gained the trust of MJ.
Also, if this photo turns out to be fake then there is no photo of MJ at all in any scenario. Something confuses me though. My view is that Brian is just saying Ben probably made this up for profit, and is challenging Ben to provide evidence. If however Brian is alluding to a hoaxed death, why is he also trying to increase the charges against Murray? The answer depends on whether you believe Murray is really being charged, or whether it is all a drama.
If it's all a drama then everything, i mean everything - the courtroom, judge, LAPD, DA, affidavit, death cerificate, Elissa Fleak's report, autopsy report, family reactions, memorial/burial, forest lawn tomb, Will dispute etc (I can't remember the rest!) has to be fake. If it's all fake, it can't be just a joke on the media. Why would all these people collaborate to have a joke on the media? So if it all was fake and the reason is serious (think it would have to be) like MJ was actually going to be murdered, then Conrad Murray has to be part of the hoax too. If MJ was about to be murdered by Conrad Murray or Murray administered drugs in a suspicious way that night but it didn't kill MJ, they would have to charge him of attempted murder or the like. Point here is that if MJ hoaxed his death because Murray tried to kill him but didn't succeed, it would be illegal to charge him with murder/manslaughter as they do now - I think MJ would agree. So this scenario where it is partly hoaxed but Murray really is being convicted has to be discredited IMO.
This means that if the LAPD really is charging Murray, MJ has to be dead. There are no circumstances that would allow the two situations to co-exist. One is right and one is wrong. The other theory is that MJ hoaxed to escape being murdered and Conrad is part of the hoax, either to make it convincing MJ is dead or to act as a cover to make it seem like LAPD are on the wrong trail while they uncover the real murder plot . Problem is, are they not seriously putting Murray in harm's way by parading him as a murderer? Plenty want to kill him. But why use Murray at all? Why make him such a reviled figure, lying about his testimonies, maintaining his right to practise, pleading 'not guilty'......i mean he's really giving himself a bad character reference here! Also, crucially, why get Conrad to plea 'not guilty' when he can avoid trial by pleading 'guilty'? Why build up evidence that implies Conrad is guilty when he is going to plead 'not guilty'? Very confusing. While there has been many a strange thing,these are my thoughts as i go through the logistics of the hoax theory.
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If MJ gave Ben the photo to publish, then nothing will happen. If being the operative word here, but its all ifs and buts anyway.
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Confused you wont be when you have watch the next episode of Soap
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i think that they should write a letter to ben and ask him to explain the position - instead of going to a european news network to make this disclosure of oxman's opinion - which just happens to match our opinion
is he a hoax believer?
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Finally they are showing and telling that the photo was fake, we already knew it months ago but this is a step in the right direction!
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QuirkyDiana, have you read bec's thread "Why it is VERY IMPORTANT that Conrad Murray be charged by the DA"? It may answer some if your questions.
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My opinion Ben and the other from Photo Group was and is with MJ in the same boat, ;) That is why only them were at MJ's house, one of them since early morning on June 25, where were all those papparazzi that followed MJ at the doctor's office until June 11 or 15 ?
Do you remember that no television was there and they arrived after the ambulance has left ? This is very important, I guess. In 45 min. the supposed time when paramedics stayed in the house NO televisions came there and sorry but this news with paramedics at MJ's house would have spread in minutes.
About Murray pro 70% in MJ's boat, so for Murray I'm still thinking.
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QuirkyDiana, have you read bec's thread "Why it is VERY IMPORTANT that Conrad Murray be charged by the DA"? It may answer some if your questions.
Provide a link please.
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QuirkyDiana, have you read bec's thread "Why it is VERY IMPORTANT that Conrad Murray be charged by the DA"? It may answer some if your questions.
Provide a link please.
Sorry, I haven't learned how to do that. :oops: but it's on page 2 of "Breaking News".
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If MJ gave Ben the photo to publish, then nothing will happen. If being the operative word here, but its all ifs and buts anyway.
This is an interesting moot point that has implications for the whole 'hoax theory or not' debate. Brian Oxman, in making this public statement, has practically challenged Ben to provide evidence for where the photo came from. Brian says it is fake. So if Ben does indeed admit it is fake he will not be looked on favourably i imagine. After all, he can't say, yeah it's fake 'cos MJ wanted it to be. He will be condemned for trying to profit from MJ's death - in poor taste? What will it do to his reputation as a photographer? Will he be sued? If he proves that it is indeed a real picture, well i think that has huge implications.
Angel - it's ok i'll find it, thanks for locating it.
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this has caused a huge stir on the internet
but it get us no further,
no legal action - just puff
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this has caused a huge stir on the internet
but it get us no further,
no legal action - just puff
I agree. I wonder who is listening to what Oxman said and who is aware of what he said. I hope this pricks up the ears of those who bought his pictures. I'm sure this will develop. The end result is we could get some answers.
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Let's see, there was only ONE physical proof that MJ is dead and that is the picture. Everybody, particularly the nonbelievers always take it like the proof of the dead. And if that's not real so they have nothing, no confirmation from the hospital, no picture, no body in the coffin, NOTHING. I think this is a big deal.
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Let's see, there was only ONE physical proof that MJ is dead and that is the picture. Everybody, particularly the nonbelievers always take it like the proof of the dead. And if that's not real so they have nothing, no confirmation from the hospital, no picture, no body in the coffin, NOTHING. I think this is a big deal.
How often, unless you are a family member, do you get physical visible proof of the dead? Unless the family/coroner releases the autopsy pics, how do you ever get physical proof someone has died? Did Brittany Murphy die? The absence of a picture does not prove whether MJ is alive or dead. However Ben claims to have a picture. Brian has disturbed the waters by saying it's fake and challenges Ben to come forward with what he has and how he got it. If it was legitimately taken on camera there would be evidence of that. If Ben proves he did it with a camera, logically that is a big deal. If he admits it is faked, and he gets in trouble with that, i think that's worth noting - because you wouldn't get someone in trouble for helping with a 'hoax'. If he gets in no trouble, that's worth noting too. We'll have to see how it plays out! But what of Ben's reputation? These are legitimate questions.
This brings up interesting points (there are 2 pages) http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... tml?cat=49 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2520091/brittany_murphy_autopsy_photo_is_death.html?cat=49)
Personally, if someone from the coroner's office or LAPD leaks a photo of MJ for money or other reasons, regardless of how tasteless that is i would not think it is a wholly bad thing. It would settle the issue for certain. If Murray goes to trial, will there be photographic evidence submitted?
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Wonder WHY was it so URGENT to REMOVE the original link from youtube?
Besides I'm in Hungary and there were nothing about the fake picture in the media neither on tv nor on the net... :(
I see truths are coming, hope BAMSDAY is near :P :P :P
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Wonder WHY was it so URGENT to REMOVE the original link from youtube?
Besides I'm in Hungary and there were nothing about the fake picture in the media neither on tv nor on the net... :(
I see truths are coming, hope BAMSDAY is near :P :P :P
It's still on youtube i thought?
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Let's see, there was only ONE physical proof that MJ is dead and that is the picture. Everybody, particularly the nonbelievers always take it like the proof of the dead. And if that's not real so they have nothing, no confirmation from the hospital, no picture, no body in the coffin, NOTHING. I think this is a big deal.
How often, unless you are a family member, do you get physical visible proof of the dead? Unless the family/coroner releases the autopsy pics, how do you ever get physical proof someone has died? Did Brittany Murphy die? The absence of a picture does not prove whether MJ is alive or dead. However Ben claims to have a picture. Brian has disturbed the waters by saying it's fake and challenges Ben to come forward with what he has and how he got it. If it was legitimately taken on camera there would be evidence of that. If Ben proves he did it with a camera, logically that is a big deal. If he admits it is faked, and he gets in trouble with that, i think that's worth noting - because you wouldn't get someone in trouble for helping with a 'hoax'. If he gets in no trouble, that's worth noting too. We'll have to see how it plays out! But what of Ben's reputation? These are legitimate questions.
This brings up interesting points (there are 2 pages) http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... tml?cat=49 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2520091/brittany_murphy_autopsy_photo_is_death.html?cat=49)
Personally, if someone from the coroner's office or LAPD leaks a photo of MJ for money or other reasons, regardless of how tasteless that is i would not think it is a wholly bad thing. It would settle the issue for certain. If Murray goes to trial, will there be photographic evidence submitted?
Taking your example of Brittany Murphy we didn't see her dead or in the ambulance, but we know for sure that she's dead because the doctors of the Cedar Sinai hospital in LA gave a press conference and a press release saying all the details of her death, including that she was actually there and that she died in the premises. As far as I know no one from the UCLA, or the paramedics or anyone with any medical authority said anything about MJ being there. We only had the picture, that's obviously fake, and some very weird press conference by Jermaine Jackson saying that MJ died.
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well we do have the weird ambulance arrival,
the equally weird helicopter and surf board delivery to the coroner's office, the coroner's office informing sky news that mj was there, we have the AR report, we have the private service then straight to the memorial (non tearful event), then we have the staged funeral, we have the trial, we have the probate lawyers, we have the disclosed will but not the disclosed trust deed, we have aeg,sony the dancers making a pack on the death of mj, we have janet unable to get her facts right as to where she was - we have the above
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@jonnysgirldangerous. Very true. For me, unless someone can absolutely prove that a family member holding a press conference after a death either discredits the death, or renders the death announcement invalid, i will say back it up or it is not credible. If somone is going to assert that because Jermaine made the announcement, MJ's death is not valid in this way and it proves he didn't die, i would like solid proof of that. Maybe someone can provide it.
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Let's see, there was only ONE physical proof that MJ is dead and that is the picture. Everybody, particularly the nonbelievers always take it like the proof of the dead. And if that's not real so they have nothing, no confirmation from the hospital, no picture, no body in the coffin, NOTHING. I think this is a big deal.
How often, unless you are a family member, do you get physical visible proof of the dead? Unless the family/coroner releases the autopsy pics, how do you ever get physical proof someone has died? Did Brittany Murphy die? The absence of a picture does not prove whether MJ is alive or dead. However Ben claims to have a picture. Brian has disturbed the waters by saying it's fake and challenges Ben to come forward with what he has and how he got it. If it was legitimately taken on camera there would be evidence of that. If Ben proves he did it with a camera, logically that is a big deal. If he admits it is faked, and he gets in trouble with that, i think that's worth noting - because you wouldn't get someone in trouble for helping with a 'hoax'. If he gets in no trouble, that's worth noting too. We'll have to see how it plays out! But what of Ben's reputation? These are legitimate questions.
This brings up interesting points (there are 2 pages) http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... tml?cat=49 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2520091/brittany_murphy_autopsy_photo_is_death.html?cat=49)
Personally, if someone from the coroner's office or LAPD leaks a photo of MJ for money or other reasons, regardless of how tasteless that is i would not think it is a wholly bad thing. It would settle the issue for certain. If Murray goes to trial, will there be photographic evidence submitted?
i think the main point here is: when does it make 'sense' to even fake a picture like that?
if mj was d.o.a. or what's more probable given the murray-timeline so far, already dead when the paramedics came, they could have taken the shot for real. nobody did. no other pic has ever emerged, although other photographers were swirming around the ambulance. but would there really be a necessity to have such a photo? wouldn't it be enough to hear it and have the confirmation from hospital officials? (which never happened!) why the extra confirmation with a fake photo? - doesn't make sense.
if it was a murder conspiracy, there would also be no need for that photo. on the contrary, or i would also go for the real thing (if just to prove that i did it, if i was the killer). and since ben signs responsible for this photo, why would someone murder mj and buy this photo from his friend? like: 'erm...listen, i'm in a high-profile murder plot, would you mind doing some photoshopping for me? by the way, it's also a good friend of yours, i mean the victim...' - 'yeah, sure, i'll go for that!' - doesn't make sense.
the only reason to have this kind of 'evidence' produced is if i wanna hoax my death and do everything i need to do and publish to make it look real, with the right selected personell at hand! everybody is a professional at what they are doing, playing themselves. nobody outside of michael's immediate environment (which is still huge) really says anything, or? all we see is documents and pics (almost all fake so far), camera statements are made by jackson personell (or ex-) only, inlcuding the jacksons themselves. other than that, everybody is zipped except for expressing their love for michael and clearing his rep. - makes perfect sense.
strike, mike! :mrgreen:
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As Jermaine mentioned, the media brought it out as truth on 6/25/09. It has stood in most people's minds as fact since that date simply because the media imprinted it in the mind, without any documented proof no less. Simply word of mouth. Most people took it annd ran with it. Another example of just because you read it in a magazine or see it on a t.v. screen don't make it actual, factual. They're so damn disrespectable. It proves that no matter how many times many of his fans have heard him say it himself, they remain as gullible as they have always been. If you read it in some news context, if it is seen on television, it's GOT to be the real deal. Once again for Michael, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Michael said believe, but with your heart. Not with your eyes.
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@hesouttamylife I agree with what you say about the media. Yet the media have played that game for a long time. They will always print unsubstantiated reports, some more than others. Not all papers are like that though, and most are pretty easy to spot. The way people react to media in general is a very interesting topic. But it is well known that not all reporters are unbiased, not all journalists can be trusted to write objective articles and not all papers print the truth. It is one thing to fake a story, but it is quite another to fake your death, get the coroner to lie about the autopsy, get the chief operating officer Amir Dan Rubin to allow your family to make a false statement about your brother's death in his hospital, falsely state that Dr.Cooper (currently working at UCLA) pronounced his death, falsify an affidavit and all the information implicating people in it, have the LAPD be complicit in the hoax death, have a judge play along with it all......think about the sheer level of involvement at all the different stages. I'm not saying it's impossible, but highly unlikely. Also, what extraordinary lengths to go to.
@tabloid burn. Quote 'i think the main point here is: when does it make 'sense' to even fake a picture like that?' Possibly when you are a photographer who will risk a fake picture for a bit of money. If it's not fake then the same answer applies. Regarding this situation, it's very interesting that Oxman is having a prod at Ben. I can appreciate your idea of Brian trying to give people a hint, but really, if brian speaks the truth there is no other way to see it other than Ben will lose his reputation as a photographer with credibility.
Let's just see how it develops.
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It is one thing to fake a story, but it is quite another to fake your death, get the coroner to lie about the autopsy, get the chief operating officer Amir Dan Rubin to allow your family to make a false statement about your brother's death in his hospital, falsely state that Dr.Cooper (currently working at UCLA) pronounced his death, falsify an affidavit and all the information implicating people in it, have the LAPD be complicit in the hoax death, have a judge play along with it all......think about the sheer level of involvement at all the different stages.
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That was a loong sentence! I felt like gasping for air! :lol:
I'm sure Michael is one of the most powerful and influential people in the world.
I'm sure it can be done for the president, and I'm sure Michael could pull it off as well. ;)
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The video is back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCehO7R-9Xk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCehO7R-9Xk)
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Has anyone ever worked in a television station and watched the scramble for the reporters to get out there and get the first cap on a top breaking story? It is a circus. Believe me when I tell you that they take at face value most of what is FIRST reported, to be first to get their transcript finished and into the hands of the anchor. They will add a little fluff as needed and will sometimes go to the extreme of adding a bit of sensationalism just by the way they choose to word it. After it breaks, depending on the interest generated and the rating, then will they start doing extra homework. But the top breaking story, most times will have some errors in it. So long as does not constitute a complete or willful lie, it's on and poppin. Nothing was more breaking than the sudden death of Michael Jackson. NOTHING. They took what ever they could get and it appears that TMZ got the golden goose when they got their hands on the first report and the first and apparently ONLY death picture. Do you think they researched for any validity? Please. They didn't have to. The world was salivating for it. Somebody got PAID big time and their ratings got a boost. More people watched TMZ and relied on their reporting than ever before. Tabloid junkies. Michael spoke the truth.
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@hesouttamylife I agree with what you say about the media. Yet the media have played that game for a long time. They will always print unsubstantiated reports, some more than others. Not all papers are like that though, and most are pretty easy to spot. The way people react to media in general is a very interesting topic. But it is well known that not all reporters are unbiased, not all journalists can be trusted to write objective articles and not all papers print the truth. It is one thing to fake a story, but it is quite another to fake your death, get the coroner to lie about the autopsy, get the chief operating officer Amir Dan Rubin to allow your family to make a false statement about your brother's death in his hospital, falsely state that Dr.Cooper (currently working at UCLA) pronounced his death, falsify an affidavit and all the information implicating people in it, have the LAPD be complicit in the hoax death, have a judge play along with it all......think about the sheer level of involvement at all the different stages. I'm not saying it's impossible, but highly unlikely. Also, what extraordinary lengths to go to.
@tabloid burn. Quote 'i think the main point here is: when does it make 'sense' to even fake a picture like that?' Possibly when you are a photographer who will risk a fake picture for a bit of money. If it's not fake then the same answer applies. Regarding this situation, it's very interesting that Oxman is having a prod at Ben. I can appreciate your idea of Brian trying to give people a hint, but really, if brian speaks the truth there is no other way to see it other than Ben will lose his reputation as a photographer with credibility.
Let's just see how it develops.
total credit for the 'going through the lengths' part, which is indeed something to consider and subject to further development and more statements. it pretty much depends on ben's move now and what happens after that.
regarding the media i can only say: who would know better how to spread a rumor, multiply the gossip etc? who is it?
about the people involved you are right: why would they play along? but why not, if there was a truly good reason behind it all. which is again subject to further development.
i am not saying ben is giving a hint. oxman is giving the hint and ben is the next one to move. he has no choice but to react to it. it's like a chess game almost. one move at a time. why would he risk his credibility like that? he has to come up with a very good reason why he did that or at least took credit for it. i don't think he would purposely destroy his rep if this wasn't possibly even the biggest kick of his career. i wouldn't, for no money in the world. like he thought nobody would notice that michael didn't look like this in 2009? naaahhh...
'if it's not fake' is outruled now, there is no way this picture was taken on june 25, 2009. why would oxman say it is fake and not confirm it is real, if it was? he could have did that, too.
subject to further development... ;)
(had to re-edit the names, brian/ben-mixup, sorry for any confusion)
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tabloidburn quote:
"it's like a chess game almost" , yes MJ likes chess ;)
first it is not a picture of MJ from 2009, because he looks younger.
anyone can take e picture of him from TII and compare to this photo.
second the tube holder is in a wrong position, why is so wrong put if you want to save his life and the intubation system to work.
and third I spoke with a photographer specialist and he said: paramedics are 1 photo, and MJ second photo, so he said there are minimum 2 photos there. This can be seen also because the paramedics' shapes are larger than of MJ. One leg of a paramedic is almost equal with MJ's head, chest... so there it was supposed that all of them are in the same frame, not MJ closer and paramadics more far, and this shows that sizes, shapes there are not OK.
These are only a few elements which demonstrate that the photo is fake, and there are more, all were discussed.
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Once again the MEDIA HAS SHOWN US THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE TRUTH!!!!
WHEN MICHAEL JACKSON'S ACCUSER SHOT HIMSELF IN THE HEAD THAT WAS NOT REPORTED
AND BLASTED OUT TO EVERY NEWS STATION IN THE WORLD. AND NOW BRIAN OXMAN
MAKES A STATEMENT SAYING THE AMBULANCE PIC IS A FAKE IT IS NOT REPORTED ANYWHERE
ON THE NEWS OR RADIO STATIONS. LIKE WE HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG THE MEDIA AND EVERYTHING IT REPORTS IS CONTROLLED.
NOTHING IS ALLOWED TO BE REPORTED UNTIL THE ONES IN POWERS GIVE THERE OKAY!!!
I STILL ASK THOUGH WHY DID HE WAIT 8 MONTHS TO MAKE THIS STATEMENT!
WHY DID THE FAMILY SAY NOTHING WHEN THEY NEW THE PICTURES ARE
A FAKE.
THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE ARE COMING TOGETHER AND I WONDER WHAT IS NEXT!!!
I CAN'T WAIT!!!
MICHAEL JACKSON THE MASTER OF HYPE WHO WANTS TO HELP BREAK THE CHAINS THAT PREVENTS SO MANY FROM THINKING FOR THEMSELVES!!!
"THE PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID OF THERE GOVERNMENT"
"THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE AFRAID OF THE PEOPLE"
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One thing I recommend is that if your local station has an informant section on their website or has a number to call, we could try and get them to air something about it then. I am going to write mine forsure. ;)
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GREAT IDEA!! HEY MAYBE WE SHOULD CALL TMZ!!!!!
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Oxman was speaking at the Michael Jackson European Convention when he brought up the issue of the photo being photoshopped from the picture of Michael lying on the stage.
http://www.mjportal.com/michael-jackson ... tionq.html (http://www.mjportal.com/michael-jackson/michael-jackson-news/957-the-qmichael-jackson-official-european-conventionq.html)
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that dude who sold the picture as real has a lot explaining to do...
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that dude who sold the picture as real has a lot explaining to do...
Only assuming he declared it real. I doubt ET even asked.
Imagine:
Ben: "I have this pic for sale" *holds up ambulance pic*
ET rep: *eyes fall out of head* "Who do we make the check out to?"
Done. Ben may not have done anything wrong.
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Oxman was speaking at the Michael Jackson European Convention when he brought up the issue of the photo being photoshopped from the picture of Michael lying on the stage.
http://www.mjportal.com/michael-jackson ... tionq.html (http://www.mjportal.com/michael-jackson/michael-jackson-news/957-the-qmichael-jackson-official-european-conventionq.html)
@="Liberian Girl Hee Hee, thank you so much for this link. I am glad to see Oxman's statement in print. God bless you! :D
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First of all, for me this IS a big thing, didn't let me with my mouth open but yes with a big biiig smile in my face.
@seeingclues: IMHO the fact that they have been into this fake photo thing because some blured photo, makes totally sense.. BUT.. that doesn't implies the didn't research for further information regarding a fake picture.. so, I believe that if the source of oxman shown the piture you shared with us, and that was the only thing that made him doubt, then he would probably said something in the short interview.. but if I'm correct, he mentions the stage.. maybe I'm wrong because english is not my first language and I'm not even mention the translator speaking over BO voice :P. Thanks for the picture.. I did also believed that the equipment was kinda old.
@quirkyDiana
I'm not one of those who believe that everybody is in the hoax, even when I respect if people wanna believe in it, I don't. But I do believe that some people needs to be in the hoax for this to work as its supposed to.. for example.. the family, a friend (maybe the guy who "took" the picture?), some managers in wich he trust, and some of the media.. in fact this picture was first shown in ET, but later we have seen it all over the world, but we have TMZ who is the first in reporting everything, and from where (IMHO) the rest of the tabloids gets the info.. so the news are spread as hot bread and MJ only need ONE tabloid conexion.
But here is where speculation has an important role.. wich theory will you choose for this hoax?... I choose the one of the eyewitnesses program or something like that (here in argentina I asume that something like that exist, but I have no clue), because if that theory is right, then you don't need to pay or to care about LAPD, coroners, fire department, UCLA, the helicopter transportation, etc..
And what if.. (and I want to put it just like that... what if) CM isn't as innocent as we all think.. and this program from the goverment was a deal to reveal a large chain of doctors who are doing practices that they shouldn't do and that it is so much rentable in the music business?..
I believe we have discussed a lot of theorys here and some preffers one or another or not only one but a combinacion of 2... so, it will depend on wich theory are you believing for your arguments to be realistics.. if you believe that he made this all by his own, with no support from anyone (and that includes the family) then I agree that your posts have a correct deduction based on what we all have seen so far.
Sorry for my english, hope you al get the point, because this goes particulary for QD's posts, but I believe that this is something we all should have in our minds before throwing down others opinion.
I love you all And sorry for the long post
Lots of L.O.V.E!!
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This has not mad headline new's so not holding my breath. Sorry. I know the photo is hiding something but does anyone have the link to him stating this.
L.O.V.E
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This has not mad headline new's so not holding my breath. Sorry. I know the photo is hiding something but does anyone have the link to him stating this.
L.O.V.E
well.. you will have to read the 8 pages.. there are a few links about the video and if I'm not wrong.. even a link with the translation of the video.
Lots of L.O.V.E
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The user took it down again but it is back up as of 4 am EST
Can't wait for whatever confessions Mr. Oxman feels obliged to share since Joe is suing ET and other media outlets for publishing his "death photo" and his family attorney just admitted on TV that the photo is a fake..because he is not dead!!! :lol: :D
They can take this video down how many times they like,it is still out there and is now public record! :lol:
[youtube:pnovh50p]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbGrrNyMpZY[/youtube:pnovh50p]
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GREAT IDEA!! HEY MAYBE WE SHOULD CALL TMZ!!!!!
i see...you mean people feeding the media and not the other way round?
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so am i rite? We havnt had a pic of mj dead!!! :o
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so am i rite? We havnt had a pic of mj dead!!!
Yeah, you are right .
We never had a pic of MJ dead , never had a body in a casket ,
never had a real autupsy ,never had .......anything !!!
Just lies, lies, lies .
Wow ! I think ...I love lies!!! :D
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GREAT IDEA!! HEY MAYBE WE SHOULD CALL TMZ!!!!!
i see...you mean people feeding the media and not the other way round?
edit: just checked tmz. nothing. no oxman, no jermaine. maybe someone should notify them or are they told not to make a move just yet...? ;)
i say it again: this is 'wag the dog' for real!
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@Inhalib.....there was no throwing down of anyone's opinions. What i wrote was either factual, common sense or just objective analysis. It's obviously not personal :roll: People reading the hoax theories want to know 'how it was done', so you go through the motions in your head of how it could have conceivably been done. There will inevitably be questions.
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Legend Music Awards and MJPortal are proud to have been the organizers of this important event which was given an incredible visibility through the media coverage which included not only national but international journalists. Included on the guest list and present at the Convenition were RAI, ANSA, Mediaset and international newspapers
So at this Convention were invited international newspapers, I'm STILL waiting to see on their front page the title : THE PHOTO OF MJ IN THE AMBULANCE E UN FALSO - translated it's FAKE [/b]
TG1 (TeleGiornale 1) is the brand for Italian state-owned TV channel Rai Uno's news programmes. They are shown domestically on Rai Uno and across the Europe on Rai News 24 and the world on Raitalia several times throughout the day. The journalist Augusto Minzolini is the editor-in-chief.
BRAVO RAI UNO!, it was the FIRST TELEVISION IN THE WORLD to give this important news, what it means to : TELL THE TRUTH
quote from the video of TG1 - Rai Uno "the photo of MJ in the ambulance related to his death which was shown all over the World on the first page of the newspapers E UN FALSO - it's FAKE!!
How much I like these 3 words :THE PHOTO E UN FALSO ! ;) ;)
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First of all, for me this IS a big thing, didn't let me with my mouth open but yes with a big biiig smile in my face.
@seeingclues: IMHO the fact that they have been into this fake photo thing because some blured photo, makes totally sense.. BUT.. that doesn't implies the didn't research for further information regarding a fake picture.. so, I believe that if the source of oxman shown the piture you shared with us, and that was the only thing that made him doubt, then he would probably said something in the short interview.. but if I'm correct, he mentions the stage.. maybe I'm wrong because english is not my first language and I'm not even mention the translator speaking over BO voice :P. Thanks for the picture.. I did also believed that the equipment was kinda old.
@quirkyDiana
I'm not one of those who believe that everybody is in the hoax, even when I respect if people wanna believe in it, I don't. But I do believe that some people needs to be in the hoax for this to work as its supposed to.. for example.. the family, a friend (maybe the guy who "took" the picture?), some managers in wich he trust, and some of the media.. in fact this picture was first shown in ET, but later we have seen it all over the world, but we have TMZ who is the first in reporting everything, and from where (IMHO) the rest of the tabloids gets the info.. so the news are spread as hot bread and MJ only need ONE tabloid conexion.
But here is where speculation has an important role.. wich theory will you choose for this hoax?... I choose the one of the eyewitnesses program or something like that (here in argentina I asume that something like that exist, but I have no clue), because if that theory is right, then you don't need to pay or to care about LAPD, coroners, fire department, UCLA, the helicopter transportation, etc..
And what if.. (and I want to put it just like that... what if) CM isn't as innocent as we all think.. and this program from the goverment was a deal to reveal a large chain of doctors who are doing practices that they shouldn't do and that it is so much rentable in the music business?..
I believe we have discussed a lot of theorys here and some preffers one or another or not only one but a combinacion of 2... so, it will depend on wich theory are you believing for your arguments to be realistics.. if you believe that he made this all by his own, with no support from anyone (and that includes the family) then I agree that your posts have a correct deduction based on what we all have seen so far.
Sorry for my english, hope you al get the point, because this goes particulary for QD's posts, but I believe that this is something we all should have in our minds before throwing down others opinion.
I love you all And sorry for the long post
Lots of L.O.V.E!!
Hi! thanks for your words... I'm from Argentina too!
I send an e-mail with the link of the video to Artear, I hope they read it!
CC
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I tried sending the link to the Oxman comments to LKL, but can't figure out where to send it. Anyone have a clue? :lol: Hee, hee!
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Just thinking back, didn't Ben also get a shot of the computer screen which said something like, 'male, 50 yrs, not breathing'? Also, if Ben did photoshop, did he manage to get a couple of paramedics to collude with him and take a pic like that - because how would he get a pic of the ambulance like that (assuming it's photoshopped).
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Jackson's Dad Wants to Sue Over Death Photos
Posted Feb 5th 2010 6:01PM by TMZ Staff
Joe Jackson has just filed legal docs asking a court to acknowledge Michael Jackson's family has a right to sue news outlets that published photos of Michael Jackson dead.
Joe Jackson's lawyer, Brian Oxman, filed papers with the court in the Michael Jackson estate case, claiming there is legal precedent for a family suing for invasion of privacy when such photos are published.
Although the legal docs don't state which photos he intends to sue over, "Entertainment Tonight" aired a photo of Jackson -- whom paramedics believed was already dead -- as he was taken into an ambulance from his home.
Oxman is trying to get the estate court judge to allow him access to medical records as a prelude for filing such a case.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/micheal-j ... s-lawsuit/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/micheal-jackson-joe-jackson-lawsuit-death-photos-lawsuit/)
So what to make out of this?TMZ lying again I guess 8-)
Is Oxman working for media companies? Can anybody find out?
The fact he says the picture is fake could protect media from a law suit by Joe Jackson and huge fines.
Do you get the game?
This is mole and hedge hog playing who will be first.
It's again all about money I'm afraid.
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that dude who sold the picture as real has a lot explaining to do...
Only assuming he declared it real. I doubt ET even asked.
Imagine:
Ben: "I have this pic for sale" *holds up ambulance pic*
ET rep: *eyes fall out of head* "Who do we make the check out to?"
Done. Ben may not have done anything wrong.
He doesnt really say the pic is real, but in a way he does...he doesnt come out and say it though.....he kind of insinuated to it....he basically dodged coming out and saying "yea, the pic is fake"....so I agree with you in a sense, but at the same time, if he KNEW it was fake and allowed the world to believe its real then I feel he owes us an explanation as to why he leaked the pic...
[youtube:303unofk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VR-HSc2aM4[/youtube:303unofk]
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Just thinking back, didn't Ben also get a shot of the computer screen which said something like, 'male, 50 yrs, not breathing'? Also, if Ben did photoshop, did he manage to get a couple of paramedics to collude with him and take a pic like that - because how would he get a pic of the ambulance like that (assuming it's photoshopped).
I think he said something that he or one of his guys just climbed up the vehicle and looked in the window and saw the computer screen and took a pic of it. I think thats how it went down if I remember correctly.
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I tried sending the link to the Oxman comments to LKL, but can't figure out where to send it. Anyone have a clue? :lol: Hee, hee!
don't they have a 'your email to larry king' section or somethig? he reads viewer emails in his show, doesn't he?
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I tried sending the link to the Oxman comments to LKL, but can't figure out where to send it. Anyone have a clue? :lol: Hee, hee!
don't they have a 'your email to larry king' section or somethig? he reads viewer emails in his show, doesn't he?
Yep, he does. The thing is...SOMEONE has to have the guts to report what Oxman said....sadly I think no one will, because they have to uphold their reputation. They will be laughed at most likely.
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I tried sending the link to the Oxman comments to LKL, but can't figure out where to send it. Anyone have a clue? :lol: Hee, hee!
don't they have a 'your email to larry king' section or somethig? he reads viewer emails in his show, doesn't he?
Yep, he does. The thing is...SOMEONE has to have the guts to report what Oxman said....sadly I think no one will, because they have to uphold their reputation. They will be laughed at most likely.
i dont think that it is such a big thing to report what oxman said - it has been on the internet and they have mentioned the pic before, the thing is that US and Uk media are not really interested - remember the lead up to CM's Arraignment
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Hi, I write from Italy and I post all the articles I found from Italian newspaper regarding The "Michael Jackson Official European Convention" for all of you to read,
I used the Google translator, so hopefully is going to be understandable !!
But as you will notice in the article they do not mention what Brian Oxman said on the Italian National Television RAI1 about the fake photo ,so the interview is the only one who mention the alleged fake photo, and even in Italy RAI was the only TV who broadcast the event.
I will check better on internet tomorrow though.
My opinion is : if Jo Jackson really want to sue the photographers who took the picture , they need to be sure the photo is authentic.
But Mr. Oxman” has experience as a Law Professor and lecturer on legal and business, is an advisor, counselor, and professional speaker who helps businesses recover from scandal “(copy from his facebook page) so I suppose the Jackson Family is trying very hard to "rehabilitate" MJ as a human figure and artist to the eyes of the word and bring JUSTICE whatever it is,
So as MJ fans I think we have to be unite to find the truth whatever it is and listen to them who are asking for our support, Believers and not Believers because (I’M 50% )we can show strength in numbers !!
Here the articles, now go to get same sleep, long day tomorrow !!! By everybody .
First from :Corriere della Sera ( National Newspaper)
Rabbis and lawyers, and the Jack Day
Fans arriving from all over Europe. Spent a few hours to 200 tickets. There will also be a religious Shmuley Boteach
The pop star never cease to exist when they die. Indeed, from the dead are more alive than ever. Take Michael Jackson, died June 25, 2009: Sunday in the conference hall of the hotel Melia (via Masaccio 19, at 9.30-19), we held the first convention dedicated to the worship of the European Union Jack. "At the moment this is a unique event, but given the many requests, replicas of course, both in Italy and abroad," says Samantha Zolla of Jam Music, the company that organized the day in memory of Jackson. The two hundred seats available, 65 euros each, have been exhausted by time with reservations also from England and Germany, a sign that the program has enticed fans of the former king of pop.
Open the meeting will be Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, author of "The book that Michael Jackson would have wanted you to read," published in Italy by Newton Compton. Unbeknownst to us, in the U.S., "Rabbi Shmuley" is a true celebrity leading programs in radio and TV. Character discussed, became a close friend of Jack thanks to Uri Geller, the Israeli guy in the '70s bent forks and spoons with the power of thought. Power proved a sensational hoax a few years later. Geller Geller or not, Jackson still found in "Rabbi Shmuley" a true spiritual confidant. And, says the cleric, most of those confidences have ended in his book. "I know that 65 euros are not few but, believe me, there are enough to cover all costs," says the organizer Zolla. "To come to Milan all guests have claimed the flight in business class, otherwise it would not move from home." Even the rabbi? "Even him.
Around 13 are expected emergence Marlon, one of the brothers Jackson, former Jackson 5: "I hope to arrive in time, otherwise it will connect live video from Atlanta." Then comes the turn of Brian Oxman, attorney for 25 years to Michael. By the way, is two days ago, the indictment for manslaughter by Conrad Murray, a doctor who was at the side of the singer during his last hours of life: "The family expected him-declares Samantha Zolla who worked with Jack in the tour "History" and "Dangerous" -. Seven months to bring it to court is just one of many anomalies in this story. End the day a video conference with Travis Payne, Choreographer for Michael Jackson and the projection of unreleased material from the film "This Is It," which, guardacaso, will be released in Italy on February 22. As they say, the show must also continue.
Roberto Rizzo
February 12, 2010
Second From TGCOM (RAI):
Jacko fans from across Europe in Milan
First European convention for Michael
Something special for all fans of Michael Jackson. Sunday, February 14th, the congress hall of the Hotel Melia Milano, will be held the first "Michael Jackson European Convention". The main purpose of the operation is to rehabilitate the figure of the king of pop for some tragically overshadowed by rumors about him. Video messages are provided by the Jackson brothers and Laura Pausini.
The Pausini received the "Legend Award for Music", as a reward for his career and for his commitment to the world of solidarity and on the occasion of the convention will be held on Michael Jackson the Grand Gala Music Legend Award. The Italian singer will not be present but will respond with a video message as the premium represents a new opportunity for her to remember a friend, someone like Jackson, with whom Laura has shared several moments of its history.
Laura and Michael Jackson met the first time during the recording of the song beneficial "Todo Para Ti", thought at the time of the tragedy of the Twin Towers, and interpreted by the biggest world music including Ricky Martin, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion , Shakira and Gloria Estefan. It was Michael to seek and obtain the presence of Laura in the song. The last tour Pausini recalled the unforgettable Michael, entering the lineup in the song "Heal The World," his personal tribute, which wanted to sing every evening of the World tour and has also added in his latest cd-dvd Laura Live.
But the day, organized by Legend Music Awards - Jam Music Production Int " and "MJPortal" will have more of a special moment for fans of Jack. Chiara Blacks and Roberto Troisi (Responsible Trade mktg Sony Pictures) will present some extras, interviews and media screen video, and not related to the film came out last October, "This is it." It 'also provided a video conference with Travis Payne, Choreographer of "This Is It Tour" and a personal friend of Michael Jackson directly from Los Angeles, and a video message from the Jackson brothers. A member of the Jackson family should also be present for the withdrawal of the Prize "Legend Music Awards" 2009 awarded to Michael as "legendary male pop artist of the century.
3° from www.melodicamente.com (http://www.melodicamente.com)
Everything has been said about him before and after his death, violence, intrigue, murder charges not proven, and various tributes have been dedicated, but still no one has paused to duty on the humanitarian and beneficent, the King of Pop, Michael Jackson.
To pay tribute to Michael, and give the possibility to his countless fans of "riunrsi" to speak of the legendary figure of Mr. Jackson, are the MJPortal, Legend Music Awards and Int Jam Music Production, the organizers of the first MICHAEL JACKSON EUROPEAN CONVENTION a sort of meeting place for all fans of Michael.
Michael Jackson Official European Convention is an event that will have as its central point the side benefit of the varied personalities of this huge artist, of which we spoke little or not at all, focusing on humanitarian purposes, which has become the protagonist , often with no other aid except that of their presence and their donations.
This event will be the first in a long series, with the aim to "rehabilitate" a character and a human figure and artist who is off too soon and "too" often has been mistreated, with rumor and innuendo, unsubstantiated .
Guests for the premiere of "Michael Jackson Official Convetion whole Europe" are many, first of all, Brian Oxman, who for 25 years has represented the interests of Jack, and brought it to success in the 2005 molestation trial, the same Laura Pausini, unfortunately unable to attend, send a video message. Among the other guests we have, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, whom you can discuss the newly published book in Italian, "the book that Michael Jackson would have wanted you to read," Blacks Chiara and Roberto Troisi (Responsible Trade mktg Sony Pictures), which present some Videos related to the film and released last October, THIS IS IT!
Also planned is the presence of a member of the Jackson family to receive the prize Legend Music Awards 2009 awarded to Michael Jackson.
4° and last :
Legend Music Awards - Jam Music Prod Int Portal and MJ are the organizers of the first "Michael Jackson Europe Official Convention", an initiative designed to give the possibility to fans of the King of Pop to meet and discuss around his figure in several viewpoints. The target date is February 14, 2010, the planned program will be held over one day in Milan.
Some of these contributions: Rabbi Shmuley Boteach will present his book / interview book that Michael Jackson would have wanted you to read (Newton Compton Editori), Brian Oxman, Michael Jackson's legal representative, will talk about his friendship with the King of Pop.
E 'expected to attend a Jackson family member to pick up the Legend Award Music Awards 2009 will be presented in more than a few extras and exclusive interviews for the film This is it and Los Angeles, videoconference with Trevis Payne, choreographer This is it and personal friend of Michael Jackson.
It was just Michael Jackson's desire to reveal to an audience that he knew to be deeply suspicious of him. The result: 30 hours of exchange that are the basis of everything that you wanted to know about Michael Jackson and no one has ever told.
In those 30 hours of incandescent and sincere words, Michael tells his emotional pain, the deep loneliness, his desire to be loved and the feeling of emptiness left by his fame, the reasons for his distrust of women and because only The children communicate that innocence of which he was so desperately seeking. The result is this spiritual testament of Michael Jackson.
In private conversations with Rabbi Boteach, collected and transcribed, the great King of Pop wanted, in fact, free the heart of every weight, trusting to this close friend and special fears, his hopes and his secrets. By memories of childhood to the difficult relationship with women, the search for purity and innocence to the fear of growing old, Michael Jackson tells with unprecedented honesty, revealing the most hidden thoughts and inaccessible that accompanied his restless existence.
A book that finally answers the questions left unanswered so far, a touching book that makes us discover a man sincere, humble, fragile. Pages that give the impression of touching the soul of one of the most tragic icons of our century.
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arabian nights quote:
|"i dont think that it is such a big thing to report what oxman said - it has been on the internet and they have mentioned the pic before, the thing is that US and Uk media are not really interested - remember the lead up to CM's Arraignment"
yes no big deal MJ' s FAKE PHOTO :shock: . What's so important with THAT photo which shows a fake intubation, a fake coma, fake rushed to the hospital ? .. and so on
let's see some HEADLINES quotes from newspapers on June 25 and June 26
images and the video of Michael Jackson's dying or dead on the way to the hospital Since news hit on Thursday afternoon ..."
BREAKING NEWS: Michael Jackson Has Massive Heart Attack .... Click here to see Michael Jackson Ambulance photo
The photo shows Michael Jackson trying to be resuscitated by paramedics. The photo appears to have been taken in the ambulance that carried Jackson. ...
26 Jun 2009 ... then rushed him to the hospital where doctors continued to work on him. .
Jackson's sudden death had been reported earlier by U.S. media including the Los Angeles Times and the TMZ entertainment website, which said he was taken ill at his home and rushed to the hospital by paramedics who found him not breathing when they arrived.
TMZ said on its website that Jackson suffered a cardiac arrest on Thursday afternoon at his Holmby Hills home
25 Jun 2009 ... Pop star Michael Jackson is rushed to hospital in Los Angeles, with some US media reporting ... BBC News Updated every minute of every day ...
CNN Live News: Michael Jackson Dies on June 25, 2009 Age 50 *EXCLUSIVE ...
call made shortly before Michael Jackson was rushed to the hospital ... LAPD Spokeswoman Karen Rayner told FOX News that police hope the ...
25 Jun 2009 ... Michael Jackson Heart Attack: Singer Rushed To Hospital
25 Jun 2009 ... At 12:30 PST this afternoon a 911 call was placed from Michael Jackson's home when he stopped breathing. Michael Jackson was rushed by ambulance
Title: Breaking News: Michael Jackson Rushed to Hospital, Not Breathing When Paramedics
US news organizations are reporting that pop singer and actor Michael Jackson has been rushed by ambulance to a Los Angeles hospital after ...
Telegraph Michael Jackson has been rushed to a Los Angeles hospital after he was found not breathing at his home, the Los Angeles Times reported on ...
It's quite enough with this examples I guess it's not necessary to take also the international press. So everywhere were written with big letters this news and of course THE FAKE PHOTO next to them.
Does anybody realize that all these news after their break become credible because of and based on that photo ?
All that came up after the news was sustained by A FAKE PHOTO......... so pleaseeeeeeeeeee why it's important now ? because it is! anyone can think a bit.
I hardly can wait to be proved 911 call is not FAKE, it's VERY FAKE
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[quote = "akiraka"] Mil y Una Noches citar:
| "i dont think que es algo tan serio como para informar de lo Oxman dijo - que ha sido en internet y que han mencionado la foto antes, la cosa es que EE.UU. y Reino Unido los medios de comunicación no están realmente interesados - ¿recuerdan el plomo de hasta el Comparecencia de los MC "
Si no es gran cosa MJ 's FOTO FAKE: shock:. ¿Qué es tan importante con la foto que muestra una intubación falso, un estado de coma falso, falso de urgencia al hospital? .. y así sucesivamente
Veamos algunas citas NOTICIAS No hay noticias de los periódicos el 25 de junio y 26 de junio
Imágenes [/ b] y el video de Michael Jackson, moribundos o muertos en el camino al hospital desde que la noticia golpeó en la tarde del jueves ... "
NOTICIA: Michael Jackson tiene un gran Heart Attack .... Haga clic aquí para ver a Michael Jackson foto de ambulancia [/ b]
El foto muestra [/ b] Michael Jackson tratando de ser resucitado por paramédicos. La foto parece haber sido tomada en la ambulancia que llevó a Jackson. ...
26 de junio 2009 ... a continuación, lo llevaron al hospital [/ b], donde los médicos siguió trabajando en él. .
Muerte súbita de Jackson se había informado anteriormente por los medios de EE.UU., incluyendo Los Angeles Times y el sitio web de entretenimiento TMZ, que dijo que estaba enferma en su casa y llevado al hospital [/ b] por paramédicos que lo encontraron sin respiración cuando que llegaron.
TMZ en su página web que Jackson sufrió un paro cardíaco [/ b] el jueves por la tarde en su casa de Holmby Hills
25 de junio 2009 ... La estrella del pop Michael Jackson se apresuraron a hospit [/ b] al de Los Ángeles, EE.UU., con algunos medios de información ... BBC News Actualizado cada minuto de cada día ...
CNN Live News: Michael Jackson Dies [/ b] 25 de junio de 2009 Edad 50 * EXCLUSIVO ...
llamamiento realizado poco antes de que Michael Jackson fue llevado de urgencia al hospital [/ b] ... Portavoz de la policía dijo Karen Rayner FOX News que la policía de la esperanza ...
25 de junio 2009 ... Michael Jackson Heart Attack: Singer trasladado a un hospital [/ b]
25 de junio 2009 ... A las 12:30 PST esta tarde una llamada al 911 se colocó en casa de Michael Jackson, cuando dejó de respirar. Michael Jackson fue se apresuraron en ambulancia [/ b]
Título: Breaking News: Michael Jackson trasladado al hospital [/ b], si no respira cuando los paramédicos
las organizaciones de noticias de EE.UU. [/ b] se informa que la cantante pop y actor Michael Jackson ha sido se apresuraron en ambulancia [/ b] a un hospital de Los Ángeles después de ...
Telegraph Michael Jackson se ha apresurado a [/ b] en un hospital de Los Ángeles después de que fue encontrado sin respiración en su casa, el diario Los Angeles Times informó el ...
Es más que suficiente con estos ejemplos creo que no es necesario tener también la prensa internacional. Así que por todas partes fueron escritas con letras grandes esta noticia y por supuesto LA FOTO FAKE junto a ellos.
¿Alguien cuenta de que todas estas noticias después de sus vacaciones a causa de ser creíble y basado en esa foto?
Todo lo que vino después de la noticia fue sostenido por un FAKE FOTO ......... así pleaseeeeeeeeeee por qué es importante ahora? porque lo es! cualquiera puede pensar un poco.
Casi no puedo esperar para ser probado llamada al 911 no es FAKE, es muy [/ b] FAKE [/ quote]
Great post!!!
Thanks for that
Lots of L.O.V.E!
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Inhalib :) with Love, L.O.V.E. ;)
FOR OUR BELOVED MICHAEL !!! ;)
And I have one of the MJ quotes, if now the media is so mousy and mute, let's read this again :
"It's BS! They made it up! They lie! They don't wanna give me credit for anything!...
Ignorant fool who wrote such a thing...Don't believe that stupidity! Don't waste money on it!...cuz when you're buying it, you don't buy something based on the truth! It's not the truth! It's garbage!" MJ
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Inhalib :) with Love, L.O.V.E. ;)
FOR OUR BELOVED MICHAEL !!! ;)
And I have one of the MJ quotes, if now the media is so mousy and mute, let's read this again :
"It's BS! They made it up! They lie! They don't wanna give me credit for anything!...
Ignorant fool who wrote such a thing...Don't believe that stupidity! Don't waste money on it!...cuz when you're buying it, you don't buy something based on the truth! It's not the truth! It's garbage!" MJ
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
...which is pretty much the answer to a question i put up before: why publish such a photo in the first place? to hold the mirror to their faces!
who's the freak now? who's weird now?
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arabian nights quote:
|"i dont think that it is such a big thing to report what oxman said - it has been on the internet and they have mentioned the pic before, the thing is that US and Uk media are not really interested - remember the lead up to CM's Arraignment"
yes no big deal MJ' s FAKE PHOTO :shock: . What's so important with THAT photo which shows a fake intubation, a fake coma, fake rushed to the hospital ? .. and so on
let's see some HEADLINES quotes from newspapers on June 25 and June 26
images and the video of Michael Jackson's dying or dead on the way to the hospital Since news hit on Thursday afternoon ..."
BREAKING NEWS: Michael Jackson Has Massive Heart Attack .... Click here to see Michael Jackson Ambulance photo
The photo shows Michael Jackson trying to be resuscitated by paramedics. The photo appears to have been taken in the ambulance that carried Jackson. ...
26 Jun 2009 ... then rushed him to the hospital where doctors continued to work on him. .
Jackson's sudden death had been reported earlier by U.S. media including the Los Angeles Times and the TMZ entertainment website, which said he was taken ill at his home and rushed to the hospital by paramedics who found him not breathing when they arrived.
TMZ said on its website that Jackson suffered a cardiac arrest on Thursday afternoon at his Holmby Hills home
25 Jun 2009 ... Pop star Michael Jackson is rushed to hospital in Los Angeles, with some US media reporting ... BBC News Updated every minute of every day ...
CNN Live News: Michael Jackson Dies on June 25, 2009 Age 50 *EXCLUSIVE ...
call made shortly before Michael Jackson was rushed to the hospital ... LAPD Spokeswoman Karen Rayner told FOX News that police hope the ...
25 Jun 2009 ... Michael Jackson Heart Attack: Singer Rushed To Hospital
25 Jun 2009 ... At 12:30 PST this afternoon a 911 call was placed from Michael Jackson's home when he stopped breathing. Michael Jackson was rushed by ambulance
Title: Breaking News: Michael Jackson Rushed to Hospital, Not Breathing When Paramedics
US news organizations are reporting that pop singer and actor Michael Jackson has been rushed by ambulance to a Los Angeles hospital after ...
Telegraph Michael Jackson has been rushed to a Los Angeles hospital after he was found not breathing at his home, the Los Angeles Times reported on ...
It's quite enough with this examples I guess it's not necessary to take also the international press. So everywhere were written with big letters this news and of course THE FAKE PHOTO next to them.
Does anybody realize that all these news after their break become credible because of and based on that photo ?
All that came up after the news was sustained by A FAKE PHOTO......... so pleaseeeeeeeeeee why it's important now ? because it is! anyone can think a bit.
I hardly can wait to be proved 911 call is not FAKE, it's VERY FAKE
I think, not taking sides here, that what arabian nights said was an answer to the member who seemed to hint in her post that she didn't know if we could get in trouble if we sent the vid to the press.
I could be wrong in my interpretation, but I really think she meant it was nothing to get us in trouble to e-mail this vid to LKL. :?:
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I think, not taking sides here, that what arabian nights said was an answer to the member who seemed to hint in her post that she didn't know if we could get in trouble if we sent the vid to the press.
I could be wrong in my interpretation, but I really think she meant it was nothing to get us in trouble to e-mail this vid to LKL. :?:[/quote]
i think it is more interesting to just wait and see... :mrgreen: ...we know it, let's see how long everybody else is taking. plus, we don't wanna mess it up for mike, or do we? he's just getting ready to get into it... :mrgreen:
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I'm trying to understand why would Brian Oxman,the family's sometimes attorney would make such a comment. He was never close to Michael,and Michael never gave him permission to speak on his behalf.Is'nt he the same person who said the Katherine said Michael's children aren't really his,let me answer that ,yes,so his credibility is somewhat shot with me.
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tabloidburn quote :
"why publish such a photo in the first place? to hold the mirror to their faces!"
Snow White (MJ) and the Witch Queen (guess who?) :lol: :lol:
Michael I hope you like it! :D :D
The Witch Queen was proud of being the most beautiful woman of her kingdom. However, her magic mirror told her that she wasn't the most beautiful woman in all kingdom, since Snow White was the most beautiful one in her kingdom.
He later killed a deer and passes its heart as snow White's heart, convincing the Witch Queen that she was dead.
Snow White, knowing that if she returned to her kingdom, the Witch Queen would find out and killer her, hid in a house in the forest, that belonged to seven dwarfs
However, the Magic Mirror told the Witch Queen that Snow White was still alive[/b] :lol: :lol:
"who's the freak now? who's weird now?"
Yes, I wonder who ?? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Love it !! GO, GO, GO MICHAEL !!! :D :D :D
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I think, not taking sides here, that what arabian nights said was an answer to the member who seemed to hint in her post that she didn't know if we could get in trouble if we sent the vid to the press.
I could be wrong in my interpretation, but I really think she meant it was nothing to get us in trouble to e-mail this vid to LKL. :?:
i think it is more interesting to just wait and see... :mrgreen: ...we know it, let's see how long everybody else is taking. plus, we don't wanna mess it up for mike, or do we? he's just getting ready to get into it... :mrgreen:[/quote]
I agree - we shouldn't be the ones to force this along. It will all come out because the truth prevails in the end. Blessings.
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I think, not taking sides here, that what arabian nights said was an answer to the member who seemed to hint in her post that she didn't know if we could get in trouble if we sent the vid to the press.
I could be wrong in my interpretation, but I really think she meant it was nothing to get us in trouble to e-mail this vid to LKL. :?:
i think it is more interesting to just wait and see... :mrgreen: ...we know it, let's see how long everybody else is taking. plus, we don't wanna mess it up for mike, or do we? he's just getting ready to get into it... :mrgreen:
I agree - we shouldn't be the ones to force this along. It will all come out because the truth prevails in the end. Blessings.[/quote]
I can see what you guys mean here... when you force things or a situation it never has the outcome that was planned. IMO However, I will be the 1st to admit how odd it is that the media isn't actually all over this.... They love any scandal related to MJ.. :?
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Ok guys, sorry for posting again so soon I hate when I do this... :oops:
Someone posted here something about the EMT''s screen pic. Now I wonder if that pic is fake as well. Now I dont believe they would leave their windows open because they were at MJ's after all, of course some people wouldn't have been able to resist climbing in and trying to hide just to get in on the action. I'm wondering if the front windows we're tinted or not, if they were'nt I guess someone could have snaped it through the glass of the window. But if my memory serve's me correct the angle of the pic/pics we we're shown would be wrong.. :? I think... :?
What do you guys think?
Here is a link to google images where at the bottom, last photo, there is a photo of the screen in Michael's ambulance on that day. Not sure what to make of it???? :roll:
http://images.google.ca/images?hl=fr&gb ... 18&ndsp=18 (http://images.google.ca/images?hl=fr&gbv=2&tbs=isch:1&q=michael+jackson+ambulance&sa=N&start=18&ndsp=18)
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come on, everyone please relax ;) ;) I qouted arabian nights not for what she posted but I wanted to show that this photo is really important. You all, I myself worked for 8 months to prove that it is fake, nobody listened or cared, so now when was public admitted, I think we can not afford to say or accept that is not important FOR MEDIA, and the whole world. As I wrote in my previous post I underlined that all the evidence that MJ was dead was supported by this photo, I believe you know how big is the IMPACT of a photo, visual and audio as it is 911 call. These 2 elements are the tools for any media work. (audio-video)
So please think again if Mr. Oxman came now with this news may be is MJ's will. Also MJ said "will you be there"? I don't think he wish us to be passive. The truth will prevail yes, but maybe we must put a shoulder (in my language it's an expression, hope you understand). Why do you think is all this assembly on twittters, or MJ's LO.V.E. Army, MJ LO.V.E. soldiers ? We can not be passive, we are IN since June 25.
If we want the truth to prevail remember also MJ's words in TII trailer -It's an adventure, a big adventure, I wanna take them in places they've never been before......... so we are not simply viewers, we are WITH him ;) ;)
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Just thinking back, didn't Ben also get a shot of the computer screen which said something like, 'male, 50 yrs, not breathing'? Also, if Ben did photoshop, did he manage to get a couple of paramedics to collude with him and take a pic like that - because how would he get a pic of the ambulance like that (assuming it's photoshopped).
i think it was a vid still
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Ok guys, sorry for posting again so soon I hate when I do this... :oops:
Someone posted here something about the EMT''s screen pic. Now I wonder if that pic is fake as well. Now I dont believe they would leave their windows open because they were at MJ's after all, of course some people wouldn't have been able to resist climbing in and trying to hide just to get in on the action. I'm wondering if the front windows we're tinted or not, if they were'nt I guess someone could have snaped it through the glass of the window. But if my memory serve's me correct the angle of the pic/pics we we're shown would be wrong.. :? I think... :?
What do you guys think?
Here is a link to google images where at the bottom, last photo, there is a photo of the screen in Michael's ambulance on that day. Not sure what to make of it???? :roll:
http://images.google.ca/images?hl=fr&gb ... 18&ndsp=18 (http://images.google.ca/images?hl=fr&gbv=2&tbs=isch:1&q=michael+jackson+ambulance&sa=N&start=18&ndsp=18)
think you can see the window was open in a vid
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Hi, I write from Italy and I post all the articles I found from Italian newspaper regarding The "Michael Jackson Official European Convention" for all of you to read,
I used the Google translator, so hopefully is going to be understandable !!
But as you will notice in the article they do not mention what Brian Oxman said on the Italian National Television RAI1 about the fake photo ,so the interview is the only one who mention the alleged fake photo, and even in Italy RAI was the only TV who broadcast the event.
Please take everything published by RAI, Corriere della Sera etc. with a good grain of salt.
These are the spokesmedia of Mr. Berlusconi. There is a network behind that could be interesting to question as to content of publications. If you want to know more about it, read wiki on this (and don't forget to breath pls):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAI)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corriere_della_Sera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corriere_della_Sera)
Better to know what kind of field the sources are coming from.
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Hi, I write from Italy and I post all the articles I found from Italian newspaper regarding The "Michael Jackson Official European Convention" for all of you to read,
I used the Google translator, so hopefully is going to be understandable !!
But as you will notice in the article they do not mention what Brian Oxman said on the Italian National Television RAI1 about the fake photo ,so the interview is the only one who mention the alleged fake photo, and even in Italy RAI was the only TV who broadcast the event.
Please take everything published by RAI, Corriere della Sera etc. with a good grain of salt.
These are the spokesmedia of Mr. Berlusconi. There is a network behind that could be interesting to question as to content of publications. If you want to know more about it, read wiki on this (and don't forget to breath pls):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAI)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corriere_della_Sera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corriere_della_Sera)
Better to know what kind of field the sources are coming from.
Sorry Grace what you mean ?
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Oh, please Grace............ really what do you mean? RAI Uno broadcasted an INTERVIEW/statement with Mr. Oxaman, nothing more, or less. It is his voice, his image, and even if I'm not italian I can understand some, ;) and I may say that all they said in italian language, he said in English language. He was not forced with a gun at his head to make this statement at that channel. So what's the problem, I don't understand?
If you heard on the video his last words were : IT''S FAKE. For me is enough.
Now about Rai Uno I don't care if belongs to Berlusconi or to Aliens, :lol: TG 1 reproduced exactly Mr. Oxman's words. And Rai Uno has a large area of coverage.
Usually a National TV is powerful that is why it's called National.
As any television in the World probably it's not perfect, show me one in USA, UK etc... to be 100% perfect. As I read here some posts, some said that in USA "THEY" give on TV channels what 'THEY" want in other words media is controlled.
And yes it is controlled everywhere on the earth, let's not be children!
But here, I repeat Rai Uno did his job. Mr. Oxman had to say something in that interview, so the interview was shown on the television.
And I say again I'm not from Italy, but I'm proud that Italy showed Mr. Oxman interview. They could have taken from him, and never show for the public. These also could happened, but they did what they should do.
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I found two newspapers who talked about brian oxman 's declaration:
the first one is a swiss newspaper:
http://www.lematin.ch/people/michael-ja ... age-239723 (http://www.lematin.ch/people/michael-jackson-photomontage-239723)
I tried to translate on google but it was impossible to understand (very broken english) So here is basically what they say:
They report oxman's words, when he says he s 99,9 % sure it s fake and that it is clearly photoshoped. Then they mention that those believing it s fake often mention that Chris and Ben knew Michael in person. Which they say is a "strange coincidence". And the reflection of the red car in the window when there wasnt any red car in the street is also mentioned. In the end they report Ben Evenstad words in reaction to oxman s allegation. It is said, Ben considers those accusations "ridiculous". Ben answers (very weird IMO): "The NASA presents no proof when people that the moon landing has never taken place. Same for us: we have no reason to defend ourselves." And then he adds: " we receive hundreds of e-mails of people who believe that Michael is alive and that we are liers. We have no time to answer those stupid remarks. "
(if anyone can translate it better, feel free ;) )
The second article i found is written on LEPOST.FR which is a huge blog belonging to France's biggest newspaper, LE MONDE. Lepost.fr is very visited but anyone can add articles there. This one was added by a reader not by a journalist:
http://www.lepost.fr/article/2010/02/18 ... ausse.html (http://www.lepost.fr/article/2010/02/18/1948567_brian-oxman-confirme-que-la-photo-de-michael-jackson-dans-l-ambulance-est-fausse.html)
The text is very short (following the video of brian oxman). I try to translate:
"In this video, Brian Oxman explains that the picture showing Michael jackson in an ambulance is a joke. He explains that it was in fact an old picture (that was used) where one could see MJ lying in a oxygen chamber. What do you think?"
(Strange comment anyway, imho but at least they put the video on the site)
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thank you for this amazing effort - bless your heart
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PrettyYoungTeletubby thank you :)
quote:
Ben answers (very weird IMO): "The NASA presents no proof when people that the moon landing has never taken place", wow he compares with NASA, it's funny :lol: :lol:
anyway, I still believe he and the other guy, I forgot his name, were/are good friend with MJ. So this is in the script.
No one can convince me that out of all the important and well-known representatives of the Media : ABC, CNN, FoxNews, SkyNews.. and other newspapers in that morning the ONLY "lucky" guys were these 2 from Photo National Group, paradoxical, JUST them in that place!
No one from the Starline tourists didn't call one of these televisions IN the 45 MIN. the time that paramedics were in the house :lol: :lol: and their statement of "tourists" was that they arrived when the ambulance was still there.
Of course they didn't call anybody because they were not real tourists :lol: :lol: There is a video presenting this Company's vans, and the vans have under the exterior mirror on the car body a number of 2 figures and on the back of these vans there are not numbers
On "tourists" van from MJ house I saw that number on the back of the van : NO.17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU)
I can't find the other video with a lady speaking about StarLine Tours and she was standing next to a tourist van, there it seems ther is no number on the back of the van it is just under the exterior mirror. I'm sorry I can't find this video, I saw it long time ago.
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Lol @ akiraka. Yeah that s exactly what made me laugh. He s comparing the "picture issue" to another supposed hoax...and not just elvis 's death but the landing of the moon!!
If i was accused by a lawyer of selling a fake picture, i wouldn't answer in such a mysterious way...geeez he could have just said: "no, the pic is real"....lol....maybe he meant the moon like in "moonwalking"
I didnt know what you pointed about the tourist car that doesnt look as the real ones. THX
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Lol @ akiraka. Yeah that s exactly what made me laugh. He s comparing the "picture issue" to another supposed hoax...and not just elvis 's death but the landing of the moon!!
If i was accused by a lawyer of selling a fake picture, i wouldn't answer in such a mysterious way...geeez he could have just said: "no, the pic is real"....lol....maybe he meant the moon like in "moonwalking"
I didnt know what you pointed about the tourist car that doesnt look as the real ones. THX
you guys are so smart
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PrettyYoungTeletubby thank you :)
quote:
Ben answers (very weird IMO): "The NASA presents no proof when people that the moon landing has never taken place", wow he compares with NASA, it's funny :lol: :lol:
anyway, I still believe he and the other guy, I forgot his name, were/are good friend with MJ. So this is in the script.
No one can convince me that out of all the important and well-known representatives of the Media : ABC, CNN, FoxNews, SkyNews.. and other newspapers in that morning the ONLY "lucky" guys were these 2 from Photo National Group, paradoxical, JUST them in that place!
No one from the Starline tourists didn't call one of these televisions IN the 45 MIN. the time that paramedics were in the house :lol: :lol: and their statement of "tourists" was that they arrived when the ambulance was still there.
Of course they didn't call anybody because they were not real tourists :lol: :lol: There is a video presenting this Company's vans, and the vans have under the exterior mirror on the car body a number of 2 figures and on the back of these vans there are not numbers
On "tourists" van from MJ house I saw that number on the back of the van : NO.17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU)
I can't find the other video with a lady speaking about StarLine Tours and she was standing next to a tourist van, there it seems ther is no number on the back of the van it is just under the exterior mirror. I'm sorry I can't find this video, I saw it long time ago.
'17' on the tourist van and '71' on the ambulance...very interesting.
regarding ben: of course he freaks out now on anyone questioning his credibilty. the way he exaggerates it and gets mad is saying: don't you dare ask me any more about this pic, like he wants 'em all to shut up at once. if he had nothing to hide, why freak? he could just sit there, totally relaxed, show the original with a date on there. end of the discussion.
what does he do? gets angry, comes up with ridiculous comparisons etc. because: he gets really nervous now. and he should...the bubble is about to bust.
again: why would he risk his rep and credibility for a photoshop? he just turned himself from just being a paparazzi to a respected celebrity photographer. why do this for anyone?
there is only one person that could have ordered and paid for it to make sense of this: michael jackson.
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this is so strange - i know that the photoshop does not mean that mjis alive but it is so strange the reactions
if you have a legit product you stand by it, you produce the pics in sequence whats the problem?
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'17' on the tourist van and '71' on the ambulance...very interesting.
regarding ben: of course he freaks out now on anyone questioning his credibilty. the way he exaggerates it and gets mad is saying: don't you dare ask me any more about this pic, like he wants 'em all to shut up and once. if he had nothing to hide, why freak? he could just sit there, totally relaxed, show the original with a date on there. end of the discussion.
what does he do? gets angry, comes up with ridiculous comparisons etc. because: he gets really nervous now. and he should...the bubble is about to bust.
again: why would he risk his rep and credibility for a photoshop? he just turned himself from just being a paparazzi to a respected celebrity photographer. why do this for anyone?
there is only one person that could have ordered and paid for it to make sense of this: michael jackson.
So true. who would risk all his carrer at his age if it wasnt 4 sth bigger...u right..
yeah his reaction sounds really weird..definitely...wonder why no other media talks bout this issue tho...i wonder what ET think bout this...or if they even heard bout oxman's interview...they paid a lot of money for that pic...they should adress the issue imo
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'17' on the tourist van and '71' on the ambulance...very interesting.
regarding ben: of course he freaks out now on anyone questioning his credibilty. the way he exaggerates it and gets mad is saying: don't you dare ask me any more about this pic, like he wants 'em all to shut up and once. if he had nothing to hide, why freak? he could just sit there, totally relaxed, show the original with a date on there. end of the discussion.
what does he do? gets angry, comes up with ridiculous comparisons etc. because: he gets really nervous now. and he should...the bubble is about to bust.
again: why would he risk his rep and credibility for a photoshop? he just turned himself from just being a paparazzi to a respected celebrity photographer. why do this for anyone?
there is only one person that could have ordered and paid for it to make sense of this: michael jackson.
So true. who would risk all his carrer at his age if it wasnt 4 sth bigger...u right..
yeah his reaction sounds really weird..definitely...wonder why no other media talks bout this issue tho...i wonder what ET think bout this...or if they even heard bout oxman's interview...they paid a lot of money for that pic...they should adress the issue imo
yep. and demand their money back! :mrgreen:
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arabian nights thanks, BUT ALL HERE ARE SMART :D and it's MJ merit he gave us a lot of things to think about ;) ;)
PrettyYoungTeletubby yes I was thinking the same "Moonwalking" :lol: :lol: :lol: maybe he exercised too much the moonwalk at home :lol:
tabloidburn:
"there is only one person that could have ordered and paid for it to make sense of this: michael jackson."
AGREE . ;) ;) ;)
PrettyYoungTeletubby:
"they paid a lot of money for that pic...they should adress the issue imo"
maybe they paid or maybe not ;) Photo National Group, Ben said so in the first, but who really knows?
We have here some "actors" involved who were very active related to MJ also before June 25: TMZ, Hollywood TV, ET the only one who was a big surprise I believe for all, for me really was, it's Photo National Group and as you can see it seems they had the "key".
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arabian nights thanks, BUT ALL HERE ARE SMART :D and it's MJ merit he gave us a lot of things to think about ;) ;)
PrettyYoungTeletubby yes I was thinking the same "Moonwalking" :lol: :lol: :lol: maybe he exercised too much the moonwalk at home :lol:
tabloidburn:
"there is only one person that could have ordered and paid for it to make sense of this: michael jackson."
AGREE . ;) ;) ;)
PrettyYoungTeletubby:
"they paid a lot of money for that pic...they should adress the issue imo"
maybe they paid or maybe not ;) Photo National Group, Ben said so in the first, but who really knows?
We have here some "actors" involved who were very active related to MJ also before June 25: TMZ, Hollywood TV, ET the only one who was a big surprise I believe for all, for me really was, it's Photo National Group and as you can see it seems they had the "key".
please no offence intended
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arabian nights no, no offence ;) ;) I meant, that I really admire all of you because you work hard for every evidence to be found, analyse, share opinions etc....... a good TEAM here on forum, for a long time I was reading here also on MJDH. ;) ;)
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yes i agree the team is good and strong
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I love all this posts!! I just love it!!
I was starting loosing the faith but not on the hoax, i was loosing it in us, we have seen so many friends here loosing their hopes after the video of CM at the court, and now I see a lot of discussion again and it makes me happy!! we are really in this together.. and I'm glad to see that some people has recovered the trust or at least the wish of kep investigating
Love you all! I'm felling happy today!!
Lots of L.O.V.E!
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I L.O.V.E. you ALL too, and don't give up, you are GOOD, ;) and you are together for MJ! ;)
Kenny O. wrote this long time ago and now I love it more than ever :
Captain, the ice is melting, the sun is out, the flowers are all in bloom...
..... HE'S BACK!! :D :D
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PrettyYoungTeletubby thank you :)
quote:
Ben answers (very weird IMO): "The NASA presents no proof when people that the moon landing has never taken place", wow he compares with NASA, it's funny :lol: :lol:
anyway, I still believe he and the other guy, I forgot his name, were/are good friend with MJ. So this is in the script.
No one can convince me that out of all the important and well-known representatives of the Media : ABC, CNN, FoxNews, SkyNews.. and other newspapers in that morning the ONLY "lucky" guys were these 2 from Photo National Group, paradoxical, JUST them in that place!
No one from the Starline tourists didn't call one of these televisions IN the 45 MIN. the time that paramedics were in the house :lol: :lol: and their statement of "tourists" was that they arrived when the ambulance was still there.
Of course they didn't call anybody because they were not real tourists :lol: :lol: There is a video presenting this Company's vans, and the vans have under the exterior mirror on the car body a number of 2 figures and on the back of these vans there are not numbers
On "tourists" van from MJ house I saw that number on the back of the van : NO.17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU)
I can't find the other video with a lady speaking about StarLine Tours and she was standing next to a tourist van, there it seems ther is no number on the back of the van it is just under the exterior mirror. I'm sorry I can't find this video, I saw it long time ago.
Just a quick remark here, if you reverse the order of the 1 and 7 in 17 you get 71. What is 71? The number of the ambulance that showed up that day. ;)
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I L.O.V.E. you ALL too, and don't give up, you are GOOD, ;) and you are together for MJ! ;)
Kenny O. wrote this long time ago and now I love it more than ever :
Captain, the ice is melting, the sun is out, the flowers are all in bloom...
..... HE'S BACK!! :D :D
Lol, I remembered this also, but didn't use it because I was late to my family dinner.. thanks for this!
Lots of L.O.V.E!
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Jennie VERY, VERY GOOD remark, 17 reversed is 71 .This 17 number at "tourists" van it's not a coincidence, come on .. ambulance 71, firetruck 71, tourists van 17......... or 71 :D :D and of course we have the 7, and we know it's very important for MJ. ;)
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I L.O.V.E. you ALL too, and don't give up, you are GOOD, ;) and you are together for MJ! ;)
Kenny O. wrote this long time ago and now I love it more than ever :
Captain, the ice is melting, the sun is out, the flowers are all in bloom...
..... HE'S BACK!! :D :D
i wrote the exact same thing a few days ago (when the sun came out and stayed all day for the first time in months, birds cheeping like crazy, the whole nine yards). weather report for germany: the ice is melting. i didn't continue cuz i thought everybody would get the hint. some thought i was actually just talking about the weather...
funny that all the major news (fake photo, jermaine's slip up, murray's new timeline) all fall into this time, when the weather breaks...the ice is melting means the same to me now like 'it's all gonna unfold', like jermaine said recently.
'it's a great adventure' :mrgreen:
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GREAT JOB OXMAN , WHAT IS NEXT.........
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The video has been removed
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbGrrNyMpZY
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I L.O.V.E. you ALL too, and don't give up, you are GOOD, ;) and you are together for MJ! ;)
Kenny O. wrote this long time ago and now I love it more than ever :
Captain, the ice is melting, the sun is out, the flowers are all in bloom...
..... HE'S BACK!! :D :D
@akiraka, God bless you, for your positive energy on the site. I am so bless to be here with all these lovely, devoted MJ fans and wonderful, investigative, research team! :D
Oh yes, MJ is back and in full force! MJ, I love you more, my angel! ;)
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Just thinking back, didn't Ben also get a shot of the computer screen which said something like, 'male, 50 yrs, not breathing'? Also, if Ben did photoshop, did he manage to get a couple of paramedics to collude with him and take a pic like that - because how would he get a pic of the ambulance like that (assuming it's photoshopped).
Here is the computer screen pic http://www.x17online.com/images/photo-s ... 4-full.jpg (http://www.x17online.com/images/photo-sets/conv/MJacksonComputerTranscript_X17/MJacksonComputerTranscript_04-full.jpg)
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Just thinking back, didn't Ben also get a shot of the computer screen which said something like, 'male, 50 yrs, not breathing'? Also, if Ben did photoshop, did he manage to get a couple of paramedics to collude with him and take a pic like that - because how would he get a pic of the ambulance like that (assuming it's photoshopped).
Here is the computer screen pic http://www.x17online.com/images/photo-s ... 4-full.jpg (http://www.x17online.com/images/photo-sets/conv/MJacksonComputerTranscript_X17/MJacksonComputerTranscript_04-full.jpg)
the screenshot was taken from the firetruck outside. It is a little suspicious though, because the trucks windows were not open, and then they were.
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Maybe of topic but
why was the ambulance driving sloooooooowly of the driveway backwords?
I saw a You Tube film of the mansion filmed from above and it has large driveway so the ambulance could have easily turned IMO. And don't the ambulances usually pull up backwords first if they are supposed to take someone to hospital? Isn't that easier to load the person in?
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And don't the ambulances usually pull up backwords first if they are supposed to take someone to hospital? Isn't that easier to load the person in?
You make a very good point there... and I believe the answer is YES they do back in to be ready to go and it is easier to load patient. :roll:
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Wonder WHY was it so URGENT to REMOVE the original link from youtube?
Besides I'm in Hungary and there were nothing about the fake picture in the media neither on tv nor on the net... :(
I see truths are coming, hope BAMSDAY is near :P :P :P
NO media reported about that. Only 'private' blogs, MJ fan sites, hoax forums, twitter. But no media comment on that. Come on, not even TMZ!!! And I posted three comments about that on TMZ.com, but they didn't publish them! MAYBE there was some problem at transfer, but I don't think so - they rather didn'T want them to show up. Around that time I looked through the comments, and NOT A SINGLE comment was made about Brian Oxman and the fake photo.
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Ninanina » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:48 am
Michelle wrote:
Wonder WHY was it so URGENT to REMOVE the original link from youtube?
Besides I'm in Hungary and there were nothing about the fake picture in the media neither on tv nor on the net...
I see truths are coming, hope BAMSDAY is near
NO media reported about that. Only 'private' blogs, MJ fan sites, hoax forums, twitter. But no media comment on that. Come on, not even TMZ!!! And I posted three comments about that on TMZ.com, but they didn't publish them! MAYBE there was some problem at transfer, but I don't think so - they rather didn'T want them to show up. Around that time I looked through the comments, and NOT A SINGLE comment was made about Brian Oxman and the fake photo[/b]
Hah!!! :lol:
Doesn't this sound familiar!!! :lol: You probably won't get a response from them for a good while. Sounds like the time when it took them AGES just to post about MJs death on their site. I don't believe its no problem at transfer. They just didn't post it, simple as that. It will be awhile before it get posted about the fake one too. :lol:
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Ether he is apart of the plan or he is the enemy. He said they drugged him and the family did nothing to stop it. My question is WHERE WAS HE AND WHY DID HE NOT STOP IT OR AT LEAST TRY.
I CAN NOT FEEL HIM AT ALL. HE SOUNDS LIKE HE IS IN COURT WHEN HE IS TALKING ABOUT MJ.
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yup this was since the old forum, this comparison, and well, this pic part seems obvious enough to me that it's fake, first of all because we dont have any other photos from that day in the ambulance (thre were lots of paparazzis there, someone else could have taken a pic not only that guy, friend of Mike), and well, second cause those 2 photos are too similar, mouth part, eyebrows, eyes..everything!
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THIS IS AMAZING! HOW PLEASE TELL ME CAN THERE BE NOT ONE REAL PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPEND JUNE 25. NOT ONE! NOT ONE PICTURE ON MIKE! WOW!!
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they need to pay us for our hard work us discover that long time a ago this shit is falling down like a house of cards. Why now is a Joe so angry at MJ that he is trying to expose him this is really confusing.
Because Joe did,nt get his cut to keep quiet?
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mmmhhh..I don't know if to be happy or not... He admits the picture is a fake,but he says Dr Murray is a murderer....
....if he was, it was,nt Michael.
Could be the reason why you cant pull a trial off accusing someone of murdering someone who they did,nt murder...
What a tongue twister!!
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I didn't see this posted anywhere so I thought I would put it in this thread.
(http://www.dancehallareaz.com/forum/attachments/entertainment-talk/7573d1246038950-confirmed-michael-jackson-rushed-hospital-pronounce-dead-michael-jackson-ambulance.jpg)
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From Maximum Jackson: http://www.maximum-jackson.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=17617
This was posted by daisy @ MJJC who used the ET image with Exif find out what information is attached to the ET pic. She not only found that the picture was made @ 12:08 (before the ambulance was called!) but are clear cases of photoshopping involved:
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Also Ben Evenstad says in an interview with ABC News that the photographer he had sent out to Michael's home on the morning of June 25th looked into the Firetruck and saw the display screen inside.
In the VH1 reenactment Ben says when he arrived he looked inside the firetruck and saw the screen and doesn't mention the other photographer being the one to have seen that screen.
Starts @3:49 of the video
[youtube:2lsc919q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRsHDwpDA1o[/youtube:2lsc919q]
In an interview with Vanity Fair Magazine Ben says the following:
On June 25, National sent a photographer named Alfred Ibanez to the house. Just after noon, Ibanez called Evenstad, panicked: “There is an ambulance here. Get your video camera and get here now.”
On the way to the scene, Evenstad called Chris Weiss and the rest of his photographers on their cell phones, ordering them to Jackson’s house immediately. Weiss, who was staking out Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie’s driveway...raced 7.9 miles to Jackson’s. He arrived to find the National photographers (the only paps there) talking to two fans and three autograph collectors who’d been in front of the house all morning. Weiss saw an ambulance inside the gates and a fire truck parked on the street. Ibanez had zoomed in through the window of the fire truck with his telephoto lens and snapped a picture of the call screen, which provided a few details about the situation inside. At this point, Weiss’s experience as an E.M.T. came in handy. He read from the digital image: “50-year-old male … not breathing … ”
“That told me this was probably serious,” Weiss says, “and not just an anxiety attack like he’s had in the past.” Still, he adds, “you can never know exactly what ‘not breathing’ means at that point. It’s laypeople being quoted in a clinical context.” The more time passed, the less serious Weiss figured Jackson’s problems must be. “We were there for 20 minutes,” he says, “and if you’ve got a full arrest”—when a patient really has stopped breathing—“the paramedics usually load and go within 8 to 10 minutes.”
Having been scooped in the past, Evenstad knew anything could happen. As the ambulance started backing down the driveway toward the gate, he barked orders at his guys: “This might be the biggest picture ever, so get up to the windows of that vehicle and shoot. I don’t care if you can’t see. Just shoot.” When he saw Weiss standing a foot from the window, he worried that Weiss would get nothing more than a picture of the reflection of his own camera flash. Weiss says, “Ben told me, ‘Put your lens against the window, and shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot.’”
“We couldn’t see inside the ambulance,” Weiss continues. “For all I knew when I was taking the pictures, Michael could have been sitting up on a gurney with oxygen on.”
The National photographers jumped in two cars that followed the Jackson entourage’s two blue Escalades that followed the screaming ambulance to the emergency room at U.C.L.A. medical center—and by then, TMZ and other paps were on the scene. When Evenstad rushed the ambulance, one of Jackson’s bodyguards tried to block his camera and said, “‘C’mon man. Don’t do this. This isn’t cool,’” and Evenstad said, “‘When it’s this big, we have to,’ and I ran around to the other side, because at a certain point there’s no delicacy. We gotta do what we gotta do.”
Weiss saw a look on the guards’ faces that made him believe something was really wrong: “They were being aggressive, but it was remorseful aggressiveness. ‘Please guys, please just stop.’ They kept saying ‘please.’”
By then, Weiss had checked the last few frames he’d shot through the ambulance window, and all he saw was a reflection on the glass. “I thought, I didn’t get it. I was depressed that I missed a shot that could have been a big deal.”
Evenstad collected the memory cards from everybody’s cameras and headed to National’s office to edit the images. Not long after, he called Weiss again: “Chris, you have made up for every knucklehead maneuver you have ever done. We have a usable frame of M.J. in the back”—the now ubiquitous shot of Jackson strapped to a gurney, his face shown in profile as one paramedic attempts chest resuscitation and another pumps oxygen into his mouth.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2009/07/michael-jackson-photo200907?currentPage=2
So they only got that one picture...
Then why are there two?
And the angels are different, the paramedics knee is closer to Michael's ear and eyebrow (in the first one I have posted here).
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[attachment=0:2lsc919q]ambulance pic 2.jpg[/attachment:2lsc919q]
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So they only got that one picture...
Then why are there two?
And the angels are different, the paramedics knee is closer to Michael's ear and eyebrow (in the first one I have posted here).
[attachment=1:fm311cug]ambulance pic 1.jpg[/attachment:fm311cug]
[attachment=0:fm311cug]ambulance pic 2.jpg[/attachment:fm311cug]
There are more than two, actually, I believe there are 3? They were all taken in very fast succession. I'm no camera expert, but I'm assuming since they were photographers, their camera is capable of taking numerous shots in that manner. Here's a thread where it was discussed:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ ... 3&start=75 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2833&start=75)
On the main page -
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/)
Towards the bottom under "The Weird List", #9
I think the thought of him saying there was one and there being 3 was just that there weren't different pictures. Different meaning from the back windows, a good view of them coming out of the house, a bunch of different angles/views in the ambulance. It's essentially 3 of the same view. Nothing is different enough about them to say they have a bunch of photos of the incident. That's just my thought. I also think that Ben is just trying to milk his 15 minutes of fame to 20 minutes and he'll say whatever he can to get/keep eyes on him.
And as a side note, that "the paramedics usually load and go within 8 to 10 minutes" thing definitely does not apply to ANYONE who would be in this situation. Famous, not famous, hoax, not hoax. And the manner in which the events have been stated about the alleged cardiac arrest, it made FAR more sense for them to stay on scene than to load and go. I can post numerous sources about prehospital cardiac arrest care, and you will never see that they should "load and go within 8 to 10 minutes". Thank goodness Chris doesn't practice in EMS anymore. No wonder why. Both Chris and Ben seem awfully sketch to me.