Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: QuirkyDiana on February 14, 2010, 08:27:50 PM
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'The Jackson family has stated they believe Murray was an accomplice in an evil cabal, possibly connected to Freemasons and the Illuminati cult, and plot against Michael to drug, control and murder him for monetary gain'
http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4714 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4714)
Discuss!
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:shock:
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Interesting, but I would have loved to see a source. If the Jacksons are going to mention this now, I wonder what the naysayers will come up with... ;)
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We've already realized that the Illuminati could be a part of the reasons for him to hoax his death! Is this a "conventional" magazine/website?
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Interesting, but I would have loved to see a source. If the Jacksons are going to mention this now, I wonder what the naysayers will come up with... ;)
Oh yeaaaaaaaaah i can't wait to say 'i told you so!!' :D
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We've already realized that the Illuminati could be a part of the reasons for him to hoax his death! Is this a "conventional" magazine/website?
Yup! People is pretty respected.
It's definitely NOT TMZ or News of The World...
Which makes me shocked that they would even say this!
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Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
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This is also posted on their site:
CNN Hunts Down Freemason in U.S. Government
Earth’s largest and oldest secret fraternity has had wide influence on the construction of Washington D.C.’s layout and the people who make up the U.S. government.
While in the halls of Congress on Oct. 6, CNN’s reporters were met mostly with politicians who did not want to speak to them. A couple senators did speak but divulged very little information about their fraternity.
WV Democratic Representative Nick Rahall educated the reporters about the Masonic compass and square symbol and recited a short history of his involvement as a Freemason.
The “my am” anchors let the viewers know they did not really believe Rahall when he said the Masons are not trying to rule the world.
CNN also briefly explained the Freemasonic connection to the Declaration of Independence, the founding fathers of the USA, members including Presidents and Congress members, and one of the many road symbols in the layout of Washington.
They only point out the Masonic compass and square created by the streets around the Capitol Building. Other occult Masonic formations include an owl around the Capitol Building, an upside-down pentagram stemming from the White House and a pyramid. We will explain these formations in greater depth in a later article.
http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=2443 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=2443)
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Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
I am not dismissing anything, but I would like to have a source. This might be a start, let's see what happens next.
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Yup! People is pretty respected.
It's definitely NOT TMZ or News of The World...
Which makes me shocked that they would even say this!
Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
Is there a reason for these opposite statements..? @_@
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Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
I am not dismissing anything, but I would like to have a source. This might be a start, let's see what happens next.
Yeah- I immediately thought when I saw the thread title "Michael is starting to get his message through to the masses"- I sense that the end of the hoax could very well near if more like this comes out!
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Yup! People is pretty respected.
It's definitely NOT TMZ or News of The World...
Which makes me shocked that they would even say this!
Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
Is there a reason for these opposite statements..? @_@
:lol:
Different opinions maybe?
I've read the tabloids, newspapers, & People magazine.
Of them all, People magazine seems to be the one that the celebrities themselves goto when they want to "set the record straight" or come out about something in an informal way. Which is why I consider it "pretty respected" but not on par with say, The New York Times or Time Magazine.
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Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
I am not dismissing anything, but I would like to have a source. This might be a start, let's see what happens next.
Yeah- I immediately thought when I saw the thread title "Michael is starting to get his message through to the masses"- I sense that the end of the hoax could very well near if more like this comes out!
IMO the hoax will only come to an end IF this all comes out. If not it will not be safe for him to return.
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Interesting...
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After looking through their website, I have concluded it is NOT a reliable source. They often cite The Enquirer or News of the World as the source of their stories. :roll:
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Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
I am not dismissing anything, but I would like to have a source. This might be a start, let's see what happens next.
Yeah- I immediately thought when I saw the thread title "Michael is starting to get his message through to the masses"- I sense that the end of the hoax could very well near if more like this comes out!
IMO the hoax will only come to an end IF this all comes out. If not it will not be safe for him to return.
How would that work, about stuff coming out? This could mean it's starting to..
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Yeah- I immediately thought when I saw the thread title "Michael is starting to get his message through to the masses"- I sense that the end of the hoax could very well near if more like this comes out!
But the mere mention of 'illuminati/freemasons' by the family (if true) does not automatically support a hoax theory. It's fair to say it could mean also he was murdered by those they implicate?
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Yeah- I immediately thought when I saw the thread title "Michael is starting to get his message through to the masses"- I sense that the end of the hoax could very well near if more like this comes out!
But the mere mention of 'illuminati/freemasons' by the family (if true) does not automatically support a hoax theory. It's fair to say it could mean also he was murdered by those they implicate?
Of course I know that, but there's also been people looking into that since the 25th. Don't be so quick to push me to believe he's passed..
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Yeah- I immediately thought when I saw the thread title "Michael is starting to get his message through to the masses"- I sense that the end of the hoax could very well near if more like this comes out!
But the mere mention of 'illuminati/freemasons' by the family (if true) does not automatically support a hoax theory. It's fair to say it could mean also he was murdered by those they implicate?
Well, he is not dead, so you can rule out murder here...
And reliable or not, the fact that it's out there is a start.
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http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4626
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Yup! People is pretty respected.
It's definitely NOT TMZ or News of The World...
Which makes me shocked that they would even say this!
Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
Is there a reason for these opposite statements..? @_@
:lol:
Different opinions maybe?
I've read the tabloids, newspapers, & People magazine.
Of them all, People magazine seems to be the one that the celebrities themselves goto when they want to "set the record straight" or come out about something in an informal way. Which is why I consider it "pretty respected" but not on par with say, The New York Times or Time Magazine.
You are right and wrong.. lol.. and not your fault. :D People magazine that is in print is the Celeb one. (they do have a site too, but the point I am making is this is a different one that you are thinking about).
This particular site they are talking about is not the same thing. That site seems unreliable.
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Yup! People is pretty respected.
It's definitely NOT TMZ or News of The World...
Which makes me shocked that they would even say this!
Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
Is there a reason for these opposite statements..? @_@
:lol:
Different opinions maybe?
I've read the tabloids, newspapers, & People magazine.
Of them all, People magazine seems to be the one that the celebrities themselves goto when they want to "set the record straight" or come out about something in an informal way. Which is why I consider it "pretty respected" but not on par with say, The New York Times or Time Magazine.
You are right and wrong.. lol.. and not your fault. :D People magazine that is in print is the Celeb one. (they do have a site too, but the point I am making is this is a different one that you are thinking about).
This particular site they are talking about is not the same thing. That site seems unreliable.
Reliable or not, they do have quotes and Joe's statements at LKL says it all, see link I posted above. Means it's out there for non believers to read, someone has to start the shit train, I can only hope the rest will follow...
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Yup! People is pretty respected.
It's definitely NOT TMZ or News of The World...
Which makes me shocked that they would even say this!
Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
Is there a reason for these opposite statements..? @_@
:lol:
Different opinions maybe?
I've read the tabloids, newspapers, & People magazine.
Of them all, People magazine seems to be the one that the celebrities themselves goto when they want to "set the record straight" or come out about something in an informal way. Which is why I consider it "pretty respected" but not on par with say, The New York Times or Time Magazine.
You are right and wrong.. lol.. and not your fault. :D People magazine that is in print is the Celeb one. (they do have a site too, but the point I am making is this is a different one that you are thinking about).
This particular site they are talking about is not the same thing. That site seems unreliable.
Reliable or not, they do have quotes and Joe's statements at LKL says it all, see link I posted above. Means it's out there for non believers to read, someone has to start the shit train, I can only hope the rest will follow...
Haha, Souza! Is there any way we could, like send suggestions to newspapers and whatnot to think about running stories like this, to help out?
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Well, he is not dead, so you can rule out murder here...
And reliable or not, the fact that it's out there is a start.
Rule out murder? Rule out death? Where is the unequivocal evidence for that, backed up with sources of course. My statement was neither controversial nor inflammatory. Not designed to provoke, just an equal opinion. Actually just an obvious observation, that such an ambiguous 'statement' can go either way. I didn't actually say that it 'definitely does not support hoax theory' and i also stated that it 'could mean' not 'does mean' he was murdered. How is it ok for yourself to state 'he is not dead' and not ok for me to say he 'could be murdered'?
You seem angry though that I even mentioned the possibility of death. Remember, i posted this so that people could discuss.
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Yup! People is pretty respected.
It's definitely NOT TMZ or News of The World...
Which makes me shocked that they would even say this!
Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
Is there a reason for these opposite statements..? @_@
:lol:
Different opinions maybe?
I've read the tabloids, newspapers, & People magazine.
Of them all, People magazine seems to be the one that the celebrities themselves goto when they want to "set the record straight" or come out about something in an informal way. Which is why I consider it "pretty respected" but not on par with say, The New York Times or Time Magazine.
You are right and wrong.. lol.. and not your fault. :D People magazine that is in print is the Celeb one. (they do have a site too, but the point I am making is this is a different one that you are thinking about).
This particular site they are talking about is not the same thing. That site seems unreliable.
Reliable or not, they do have quotes and Joe's statements at LKL says it all, see link I posted above. Means it's out there for non believers to read, someone has to start the shit train, I can only hope the rest will follow...
Haha, Souza! Is there any way we could, like send suggestions to newspapers and whatnot to think about running stories like this, to help out?
They will come. Don't you think they read our stuff? Mo and I are bombarded with mails from alleged reporters. The train needs to get going first before the rest will follow. France, England and Germany have mentioned the hoax already in different ways, the rest will come too, just wait and see. The autopsy report is clearly not MJ's, so they HAVE TO question his death now, otherwise they would make a fool out of themselves.
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Well, he is not dead, so you can rule out murder here...
And reliable or not, the fact that it's out there is a start.
Rule out murder? Rule out death? Where is the unequivocal evidence for that, backed up with sources of course. My statement was neither controversial nor inflammatory. Not designed to provoke, just an equal opinion. Actually just an obvious observation, that such an ambiguous 'statement' can go either way. I didn't actually say that it 'definitely does not support hoax theory' and i also stated that it 'could mean' not 'does mean' he was murdered. How is it ok for yourself to state 'he is not dead' and not ok for me to say he 'could be murdered'?
You seem angry though that I even mentioned the possibility of death. Remember, i posted this so that people could discuss.
Not angry at all, it takes a LOT more to get me angry believe me. But I am very convinced he is alive so murder is not the case. If you want to think about that possibility that's fine by me, but we are investigating a hoax, not a murder. For those that have followed this for 8 months, it should be very clear it is a hoax. Don't feel attacked if someone says it's a hoax, because that is why we are here...
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Yup! People is pretty respected.
It's definitely NOT TMZ or News of The World...
Which makes me shocked that they would even say this!
Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
Is there a reason for these opposite statements..? @_@
:lol:
Different opinions maybe?
I've read the tabloids, newspapers, & People magazine.
Of them all, People magazine seems to be the one that the celebrities themselves goto when they want to "set the record straight" or come out about something in an informal way. Which is why I consider it "pretty respected" but not on par with say, The New York Times or Time Magazine.
You are right and wrong.. lol.. and not your fault. :D People magazine that is in print is the Celeb one. (they do have a site too, but the point I am making is this is a different one that you are thinking about).
This particular site they are talking about is not the same thing. That site seems unreliable.
Reliable or not, they do have quotes and Joe's statements at LKL says it all, see link I posted above. Means it's out there for non believers to read, someone has to start the shit train, I can only hope the rest will follow...
Haha, Souza! Is there any way we could, like send suggestions to newspapers and whatnot to think about running stories like this, to help out?
They will come. Don't you think they read our stuff? Mo and I are bombarded with mails from alleged reporters. The train needs to get going first before the rest will follow. France, England and Germany have mentioned the hoax already in different ways, the rest will come too, just wait and see. The autopsy report is clearly not MJ's, so they HAVE TO question his death now, otherwise they would make a fool out of themselves.
Well over here in America, they only mention Michael when stuff actually happens, like the Murray court stuff, Joe making another idiotic claim for more money.. It's already been nearly a week since that "autopsy" came out, so if they haven't talked about it not really being Michael's here, I suspect they won't.. They would have already..
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Well, he is not dead, so you can rule out murder here...
And reliable or not, the fact that it's out there is a start.
Rule out murder? Rule out death? Where is the unequivocal evidence for that, backed up with sources of course. My statement was neither controversial nor inflammatory. Not designed to provoke, just an equal opinion. Actually just an obvious observation, that such an ambiguous 'statement' can go either way. I didn't actually say that it 'definitely does not support hoax theory' and i also stated that it 'could mean' not 'does mean' he was murdered. How is it ok for yourself to state 'he is not dead' and not ok for me to say he 'could be murdered'?
You seem angry though that I even mentioned the possibility of death. Remember, i posted this so that people could discuss.
Not angry at all, it takes a LOT more to get me angry believe me. But I am very convinced he is alive so murder is not the case. If you want to think about that possibility that's fine by me, but we are investigating a hoax, not a murder. For those that have followed this for 8 months, it should be very clear it is a hoax. Don't feel attacked if someone says it's a hoax, because that is why we are here...
Thanks Souza, that's what I was trying to say when I responded to her earlier in the thread.
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Yup! People is pretty respected.
It's definitely NOT TMZ or News of The World...
Which makes me shocked that they would even say this!
Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
Is there a reason for these opposite statements..? @_@
:lol:
Different opinions maybe?
I've read the tabloids, newspapers, & People magazine.
Of them all, People magazine seems to be the one that the celebrities themselves goto when they want to "set the record straight" or come out about something in an informal way. Which is why I consider it "pretty respected" but not on par with say, The New York Times or Time Magazine.
You are right and wrong.. lol.. and not your fault. :D People magazine that is in print is the Celeb one. (they do have a site too, but the point I am making is this is a different one that you are thinking about).
This particular site they are talking about is not the same thing. That site seems unreliable.
Reliable or not, they do have quotes and Joe's statements at LKL says it all, see link I posted above. Means it's out there for non believers to read, someone has to start the shit train, I can only hope the rest will follow...
Haha, Souza! Is there any way we could, like send suggestions to newspapers and whatnot to think about running stories like this, to help out?
They will come. Don't you think they read our stuff? Mo and I are bombarded with mails from alleged reporters. The train needs to get going first before the rest will follow. France, England and Germany have mentioned the hoax already in different ways, the rest will come too, just wait and see. The autopsy report is clearly not MJ's, so they HAVE TO question his death now, otherwise they would make a fool out of themselves.
Well over here in America, they only mention Michael when stuff actually happens, like the Murray court stuff, Joe making another idiotic claim for more money.. It's already been nearly a week since that "autopsy" came out, so if they haven't talked about it not really being Michael's here, I suspect they won't.. They would have already..
American media is very controlled. The rest of the world will need to get this rolling, so they can't deny it anymore.
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Okay, I'm flippin' out after reading the People Daily article, not only because of the Illuminati stuff but the article about Prince offering to testify because he "was there and saw everything". Please tell me that this magazine is not legit or something because my roller coaster ride just dropped drastically. I couldn't even finish reading your posts to see if anyone else mentioned this.
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Yup! People is pretty respected.
It's definitely NOT TMZ or News of The World...
Which makes me shocked that they would even say this!
Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
Is there a reason for these opposite statements..? @_@
:lol:
Different opinions maybe?
I've read the tabloids, newspapers, & People magazine.
Of them all, People magazine seems to be the one that the celebrities themselves goto when they want to "set the record straight" or come out about something in an informal way. Which is why I consider it "pretty respected" but not on par with say, The New York Times or Time Magazine.
You are right and wrong.. lol.. and not your fault. :D People magazine that is in print is the Celeb one. (they do have a site too, but the point I am making is this is a different one that you are thinking about).
This particular site they are talking about is not the same thing. That site seems unreliable.
Reliable or not, they do have quotes and Joe's statements at LKL says it all, see link I posted above. Means it's out there for non believers to read, someone has to start the shit train, I can only hope the rest will follow...
Haha, Souza! Is there any way we could, like send suggestions to newspapers and whatnot to think about running stories like this, to help out?
They will come. Don't you think they read our stuff? Mo and I are bombarded with mails from alleged reporters. The train needs to get going first before the rest will follow. France, England and Germany have mentioned the hoax already in different ways, the rest will come too, just wait and see. The autopsy report is clearly not MJ's, so they HAVE TO question his death now, otherwise they would make a fool out of themselves.
Well over here in America, they only mention Michael when stuff actually happens, like the Murray court stuff, Joe making another idiotic claim for more money.. It's already been nearly a week since that "autopsy" came out, so if they haven't talked about it not really being Michael's here, I suspect they won't.. They would have already..
American media is very controlled. The rest of the world will need to get this rolling, so they can't deny it anymore.
Well I hope you guys can help my sorry country then so I won't have to be left out anymorre! ToT
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Okay, I'm flippin' out after reading the People Daily article, not only because of the Illuminati stuff but the article about Prince offering to testify because he "was there and saw everything". Please tell me that this magazine is not legit or something because my roller coaster ride just dropped drastically. I couldn't even finish reading your posts to see if anyone else mentioned this.
I'm going to take a leap of faith here and say that that particular article is based on fabrication since it comes straight from The Enquirer as their source. *sarcasm* ;)
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Okay, I'm flippin' out after reading the People Daily article, not only because of the Illuminati stuff but the article about Prince offering to testify because he "was there and saw everything". Please tell me that this magazine is not legit or something because my roller coaster ride just dropped drastically. I couldn't even finish reading your posts to see if anyone else mentioned this.
I'm going to take a leap of faith here and say that that particular article is based on fabrication since it comes straight from The Enquirer as their source. *sarcasm* ;)
For God's sake, MJlover, that is so tabloid I didn't even blink at it! Heck, anytime I see the kids' names in scandalous headlines I don't blink..
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Thank you guys for correcting me.
I thought it was the website for the "regular" People Magazine which isn't totally tabloid, but isn't 100% reliable either... :oops:
Either way, I'm still surprised that anyone would print that out(other than us of course ;) ).
Quick question though:
IMO the hoax will only come to an end IF this all comes out. If not it will not be safe for him to return.
Will he really be safer if all of this comes out?
I mean won't he and his family be in even MORE trouble for openly blowing the whistle rather than playing along or at least pretending to play along?
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Thanks for the reassurance PinkTopaz. ;) That's why I love you guys. :)
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Thanks for the reassurance PinkTopaz. ;) That's why I love you guys. :)
Anytime, pal! I feel the same about this place and all of you members here sortin' and diggin' through the crap and the truth!
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Thank you guys for correcting me.
I thought it was the website for the "regular" People Magazine which isn't totally tabloid, but isn't 100% reliable either... :oops:
Either way, I'm still surprised that anyone would print that out(other than us of course ;) ).
Quick question though:
IMO the hoax will only come to an end IF this all comes out. If not it will not be safe for him to return.
Will he really be safer if all of this comes out?
I mean won't he and his family be in even MORE trouble for openly blowing the whistle rather than playing along or at least pretending to play along?
No, because as long as people will dismiss Illuminati as being a myth, they can do anything they want and 'keep it in the closet'. If the mass is aware of the evil shit they can't anymore, because if Mike pops up and gets killed shortly after exposing them, people will KNOW they killed him. As soon as those groups (Bilderberg, Skulls & Bones, Bohemian Grove etc.) are exposed, they will lose their power and justice will be served. Still Mike is doing a very brave thing here, risking everything not only for his own sake, but the world's sake, so we and our kids can live in freedom and peace. It takes a lot of courage to pull off something like this.
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Thank you guys for correcting me.
I thought it was the website for the "regular" People Magazine which isn't totally tabloid, but isn't 100% reliable either... :oops:
Either way, I'm still surprised that anyone would print that out(other than us of course ;) ).
Quick question though:
IMO the hoax will only come to an end IF this all comes out. If not it will not be safe for him to return.
Will he really be safer if all of this comes out?
I mean won't he and his family be in even MORE trouble for openly blowing the whistle rather than playing along or at least pretending to play along?
No, because as long as people will dismiss Illuminati as being a myth, they can do anything they want and 'keep it in the closet'. If the mass is aware of the evil shit they can't anymore, because if Mike pops up and gets killed shortly after exposing them, people will KNOW they killed him. As soon as those groups (Bilderberg, Skulls & Bones, Bohemian Grove etc.) are exposed, they will lose their power and justice will be served. Still Mike is doing a very brave thing here, risking everything not only for his own sake, but the world's sake, so we and our kids can live in freedom and peace. It takes a lot of courage to pull off something like this.
God.. I know he's alive even more just by the way that those words send a chill through me.. I agree, Souza, my heart is bursting with pride for Michael's awe-inspiring courage and strength.. God Bless him..
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Yes, Bless his heart! I'm going to call it a night. Love and prayers to all of you!
Good night fans! Good night Michael! Good night Peter Pan!
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Thank you guys for correcting me.
I thought it was the website for the "regular" People Magazine which isn't totally tabloid, but isn't 100% reliable either... :oops:
Either way, I'm still surprised that anyone would print that out(other than us of course ;) ).
Quick question though:
IMO the hoax will only come to an end IF this all comes out. If not it will not be safe for him to return.
Will he really be safer if all of this comes out?
I mean won't he and his family be in even MORE trouble for openly blowing the whistle rather than playing along or at least pretending to play along?
No, because as long as people will dismiss Illuminati as being a myth, they can do anything they want and 'keep it in the closet'. If the mass is aware of the evil shit they can't anymore, because if Mike pops up and gets killed shortly after exposing them, people will KNOW they killed him. As soon as those groups (Bilderberg, Skulls & Bones, Bohemian Grove etc.) are exposed, they will lose their power and justice will be served. Still Mike is doing a very brave thing here, risking everything not only for his own sake, but the world's sake, so we and our kids can live in freedom and peace. It takes a lot of courage to pull off something like this.
Thank you so much for your response. :D
My brain has stopped working lately as I've mostly been stuck in confusion between hoax & murder.
Just waiting to see what unfolds...
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Yup! People is pretty respected.
It's definitely NOT TMZ or News of The World...
Which makes me shocked that they would even say this!
Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
Is there a reason for these opposite statements..? @_@
:lol:
Different opinions maybe?
I've read the tabloids, newspapers, & People magazine.
Of them all, People magazine seems to be the one that the celebrities themselves goto when they want to "set the record straight" or come out about something in an informal way. Which is why I consider it "pretty respected" but not on par with say, The New York Times or Time Magazine.
You are right and wrong.. lol.. and not your fault. :D People magazine that is in print is the Celeb one. (they do have a site too, but the point I am making is this is a different one that you are thinking about).
This particular site they are talking about is not the same thing. That site seems unreliable.
Reliable or not, they do have quotes and Joe's statements at LKL says it all, see link I posted above. Means it's out there for non believers to read, someone has to start the shit train, I can only hope the rest will follow...
Haha, Souza! Is there any way we could, like send suggestions to newspapers and whatnot to think about running stories like this, to help out?
They will come. Don't you think they read our stuff? Mo and I are bombarded with mails from alleged reporters. The train needs to get going first before the rest will follow. France, England and Germany have mentioned the hoax already in different ways, the rest will come too, just wait and see. The autopsy report is clearly not MJ's, so they HAVE TO question his death now, otherwise they would make a fool out of themselves.
Well over here in America, they only mention Michael when stuff actually happens, like the Murray court stuff, Joe making another idiotic claim for more money.. It's already been nearly a week since that "autopsy" came out, so if they haven't talked about it not really being Michael's here, I suspect they won't.. They would have already..
American media is very controlled. The rest of the world will need to get this rolling, so they can't deny it anymore.
And there is nobody better than Michael to wake the sleeping world. You are right - America is very controlled ...
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Yup! People is pretty respected.
It's definitely NOT TMZ or News of The World...
Which makes me shocked that they would even say this!
Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
Is there a reason for these opposite statements..? @_@
:lol:
Different opinions maybe?
I've read the tabloids, newspapers, & People magazine.
Of them all, People magazine seems to be the one that the celebrities themselves goto when they want to "set the record straight" or come out about something in an informal way. Which is why I consider it "pretty respected" but not on par with say, The New York Times or Time Magazine.
You are right and wrong.. lol.. and not your fault. :D People magazine that is in print is the Celeb one. (they do have a site too, but the point I am making is this is a different one that you are thinking about).
This particular site they are talking about is not the same thing. That site seems unreliable.
Reliable or not, they do have quotes and Joe's statements at LKL says it all, see link I posted above. Means it's out there for non believers to read, someone has to start the shit train, I can only hope the rest will follow...
Haha, Souza! Is there any way we could, like send suggestions to newspapers and whatnot to think about running stories like this, to help out?
They will come. Don't you think they read our stuff? Mo and I are bombarded with mails from alleged reporters. The train needs to get going first before the rest will follow. France, England and Germany have mentioned the hoax already in different ways, the rest will come too, just wait and see. The autopsy report is clearly not MJ's, so they HAVE TO question his death now, otherwise they would make a fool out of themselves.
Well over here in America, they only mention Michael when stuff actually happens, like the Murray court stuff, Joe making another idiotic claim for more money.. It's already been nearly a week since that "autopsy" came out, so if they haven't talked about it not really being Michael's here, I suspect they won't.. They would have already..
American media is very controlled. The rest of the world will need to get this rolling, so they can't deny it anymore.
And there is nobody better than Michael to wake the sleeping world. You are right - America is very controlled ...
WWAAAAHH! ToT
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Don't feel attacked if someone says it's a hoax
But that's my point! Pink Topaz reacted defensively (as if i had attacked her) when i offered another opinion - 'don't be so quick to push me to believe he's passed'. It's just another side of the coin. How is offering another insight 'pushing'. It makes it sound like anyone who suggests anything pertaining to MJ's 'death' is somehow threatening other people with that opinion. I didn't say that Pink Topaz's opinion was wrong, i just offered mine. No offense intended Pink Topaz.
However, i was told that my opinion was wrong, 'Well, he is not dead so you can rule out murder here' - Souza - . Turn that around, if i say, 'Well he is dead, so you can rule out hoax theory here'. I wonder how well that would go down?
I don't feel attacked if someone says it's a hoax or murder, because i sit in neither camp. However, it is common sense to want concrete evidence for either theory if you want to be sure, otherwise it just remains a theory. I guess that's why we debate.
'We are investigating a hoax, not a murder.
I would just say we are investigating? If something comes up that suggests murder, should it be supressed because it does not fit in with a hoax? Do you want the theory to fit around the facts or the facts to fit around the theory. I think the former is the rational way to go forward. Am i to think then, that you know it is a hoax and you're exploring how he did it? I thought that people on here were investigating to ascertain whether MJ had hoaxed or not, to find the truth of what happened in those last days.
My question is do you want people to investigate open-mindedly, and entertain all the possibilities of MJ's 'death', or do you just want the hoax? I ask these questions peacefully.
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Don't feel attacked if someone says it's a hoax
But that's my point! Pink Topaz reacted defensively (as if i had attacked her) when i offered another opinion - 'don't be so quick to push me to believe he's passed'. It's just another side of the coin. How is offering another insight 'pushing'. It makes it sound like anyone who suggests anything pertaining to MJ's 'death' is somehow threatening other people with that opinion. I didn't say that Pink Topaz's opinion was wrong, i just offered mine. No offense intended Pink Topaz.
However, i was told that my opinion was wrong, 'Well, he is not dead so you can rule out murder here' - Souza - . Turn that around, if i say, 'Well he is dead, so you can rule out hoax theory here'. I wonder how well that would go down?
I don't feel attacked if someone says it's a hoax or murder, because i sit in neither camp. However, it is common sense to want concrete evidence for either theory if you want to be sure, otherwise it just remains a theory. I guess that's why we debate.
'We are investigating a hoax, not a murder.
I would just say we are investigating? If something comes up that suggests murder, should it be supressed because it does not fit in with a hoax? Do you want the theory to fit around the facts or the facts to fit around the theory. I think the former is the rational way to go forward. Am i to think then, that you know it is a hoax and you're exploring how he did it? I thought that people on here were investigating to ascertain whether MJ had hoaxed or not, to find the truth of what happened in those last days.
My question is do you want people to investigate open-mindedly, and entertain all the possibilities of MJ's 'death', or do you just want the hoax? I ask these questions peacefully.
And I reply peacefully.
You clearly DO feel attacked. And yes, we are investigating a hoax, not a murder. The name of this site is Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators. Yes people NEED to be open minded and if someone shows proof that he indeed is dead, than the hoax will be over, but I am sure no such proof exists.
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Clarification: People Magazine Daily and People Magazine are two seperate media sources. The name would naturally lead readers to assume that they are connected. People Magazine Daily is strictly online and draws news from various outlets so that is why they often quote other publications. They focus on "progressive news with controversy, scandel and humor" according to their home page.
Despite that distinction it is still interesting that PMD would scratch the surface of any story related to Freemasons and Illuminati. That is a subject that other media sources have often ignored. I am interested to see how PMD follows up with this story and if other publications decide to report any news about the subject. Sometimes media will copy each other if they think that readers are interested in a subject. If so, then that will speak volumes.
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Don't feel attacked if someone says it's a hoax
But that's my point! Pink Topaz reacted defensively (as if i had attacked her) when i offered another opinion - 'don't be so quick to push me to believe he's passed'. It's just another side of the coin. How is offering another insight 'pushing'. It makes it sound like anyone who suggests anything pertaining to MJ's 'death' is somehow threatening other people with that opinion. I didn't say that Pink Topaz's opinion was wrong, i just offered mine. No offense intended Pink Topaz.
However, i was told that my opinion was wrong, 'Well, he is not dead so you can rule out murder here' - Souza - . Turn that around, if i say, 'Well he is dead, so you can rule out hoax theory here'. I wonder how well that would go down?
I don't feel attacked if someone says it's a hoax or murder, because i sit in neither camp. However, it is common sense to want concrete evidence for either theory if you want to be sure, otherwise it just remains a theory. I guess that's why we debate.
'We are investigating a hoax, not a murder.
I would just say we are investigating? If something comes up that suggests murder, should it be supressed because it does not fit in with a hoax? Do you want the theory to fit around the facts or the facts to fit around the theory. I think the former is the rational way to go forward. Am i to think then, that you know it is a hoax and you're exploring how he did it? I thought that people on here were investigating to ascertain whether MJ had hoaxed or not, to find the truth of what happened in those last days.
My question is do you want people to investigate open-mindedly, and entertain all the possibilities of MJ's 'death', or do you just want the hoax? I ask these questions peacefully.
None taken, QD, it's just that I kind of always see you trying to get people to believe he'd dead in other threads even though plenty of peeps consider it all the time here- and now I see you say you "sit in neither camp" yet I never see you strengthening a hoax theory- maybe I'm wrong..
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God bless you, Mo and Souza, for opening the site. Thank you to everyone who posted on this thread. I do believe that the Illuminati and Freemasonry are behind what they tried to do to MJ. I still believe that MJ is alive. I thank God for a site like this that is not afraid to investigate for the truth. I know that we are all do God's work here. It is all for L.O.V.E.
Blessing to all! :)
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'The Jackson family has stated they believe Murray was an accomplice in an evil cabal, possibly connected to Freemasons and the Illuminati cult, and plot against Michael to drug, control and murder him for monetary gain'
http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4714 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4714)
Discuss!
So i put my opinion foward. Unfortunately it doesn't appear that the family have been quoted or filmed as saying the above paragraph, nor have they explicitly said words like 'Freemasons and Illuminati Cult' to my knowledge. So i don't think any conclusions can be drawn from this article in my opinion. It's obvious though that the family believe something untoward has gone on (not an accident) that either caused MJ to lose his life or hoax his death. Just don't know. No proof either way from this article :D
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'The Jackson family has stated they believe Murray was an accomplice in an evil cabal, possibly connected to Freemasons and the Illuminati cult, and plot against Michael to drug, control and murder him for monetary gain'
http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4714 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4714)
Discuss!
So i put my opinion foward. Unfortunately it doesn't appear that the family have been quoted or filmed as saying the above paragraph, nor have they explicitly said words like 'Freemasons and Illuminati Cult' to my knowledge. So i don't think any conclusions can be drawn from this article in my opinion. It's obvious though that the family believe something untoward has gone on (not an accident) that either caused MJ to lose his life or hoax his death. Just don't know. No proof either way from this article :D
While Joe is not actually speaking out the words, he's still saying it.
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Despite that distinction it is still interesting that PMD would scratch the surface of any story related to Freemasons and Illuminati. That is a subject that other media sources have often ignored. I am interested to see how PMD follows up with this story and if other publications decide to report any news about the subject. Sometimes media will copy each other if they think that readers are interested in a subject. If so, then that will speak volumes.
Thank you, exactly my point!
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Pink Topaz - I ask questions objectively i think. I try to investigate the hoax theories that are put forward, to see how well they stand up to scrutiny, to test their credibility. It's not to undermine people's opinions and if you look, i never tell people they are wrong, i just ask questions that are relevant IMO. Much earlier posts on this site (last year) from me actually commented on inconsistencies and unusual things surrounding MJ's death. I still stand by those unusual things and inconsistencies, they are there. I want to explore those and that means questioning without barriers. It's not meant to be confrontational. I do think that it is more plausible that MJ died than the hoax alternative, but i remain interested in the hoax theories because MJ's death does not seem to be straightforward. That is not to say that those inconsistencies won't be ironed out as the trial saga goes on. I expect they will, one way or another. I just don't rule out murder, and rightfully so i think.
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Also, at the end of the article you can click on more Jackson news. It has some interesting/weird articles. But there is also an article about Brittany Murphy being at Forest Lawn and some other stuff I don't know what to make of it. Here is the link to the other articles.
http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?s=jackson (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?s=jackson)
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'The Jackson family has stated they believe Murray was an accomplice in an evil cabal, possibly connected to Freemasons and the Illuminati cult, and plot against Michael to drug, control and murder him for monetary gain'
http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4714 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4714)
Discuss!
So i put my opinion foward. Unfortunately it doesn't appear that the family have been quoted or filmed as saying the above paragraph, nor have they explicitly said words like 'Freemasons and Illuminati Cult' to my knowledge. So i don't think any conclusions can be drawn from this article in my opinion. It's obvious though that the family believe something untoward has gone on (not an accident) that either caused MJ to lose his life or hoax his death. Just don't know. No proof either way from this article :D
While Joe is not actually speaking out the words, he's still saying it.
Besides, Latoya has been saying it was a "group" of people since last year, Not just Murray, and we all know both the Illuminati & Freemasons constitute a group of people.
The Jacksons haven't said those words directly, but it is easy to see what they mean. I've been reading up on the Illuminati, and I don't like a thing about them.
Maybe now, or rather hopefully now people will see whats really going on, Michael is a very strong person for standing up against "them."
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I know this sounds strange so don't get me wrong, but this is the best news I have been woken up with in a long time. It's good to see this has been picked up my the media. It doesn't really matter who started it, just the fact that it's out there will cause other media outlets to take another look at it and pick up on it as well. Like Souza already said, we are bombarded with emails from reporters, but until now no one seemed to have the guts to write about it while they know very well that Illuminati and freemasonry do exist and what they are capable of. I can only applaud, this is a major step in the right direction!
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I know this sounds strange so don't get me wrong, but this is the best news I have been woken up with in a long time. It's good to see this has been picked up my the media. It doesn't really matter who started it, just the fact that it's out there will cause other media outlets to take another look at it and pick up on it as well. Like Souza already said, we are bombarded with emails from reporters, but until now no one seemed to have the guts to write about it while they know very well that Illuminati and freemasonry do exist and what they are capable of. I can only applaud, this is a major step in the right direction!
I know what you mean and it doesn't sound strange because you're right, this is exactly what we need!
QuirkyDi, I get you, and I appreciate you taking the time to explain yourself. Let's just try too refrain from "predicting" anything at this point, and stick to our investigations, because I think we're all doing a great job!
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Mo netary gain hmmmm......., I wonder who is paying Cm lawyers fee...., are his lawyers taking his case Pro Bono as CM is supposed to be broke. Attorney fees for criminal charges can be in be in the $100,000
range or more. I wonder who is paying for it, if we ;knew we could almost get an idea, who is backing Murray. Or who is in on the conspiracy.
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Mo netary gain hmmmm......., I wonder who is paying Cm lawyers fee...., are his lawyers taking his case Pro Bono as CM is supposed to be broke. Attorney fees for criminal charges can be in be in the $100,000
range or more. I wonder who is paying for it, if we ;knew we could almost get an idea, who is backing Murray. Or who is in on the conspiracy.
I wonder who paid his $ 75,000 bail...
OH I FORGOT! The bail was $ 0.00
:lol:
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Mo netary gain hmmmm......., I wonder who is paying Cm lawyers fee...., are his lawyers taking his case Pro Bono as CM is supposed to be broke. Attorney fees for criminal charges can be in be in the $100,000
range or more. I wonder who is paying for it, if we ;knew we could almost get an idea, who is backing Murray. Or who is in on the conspiracy.
I wonder who paid his $ 75,000 bail...
OH I FORGOT! The bail was $ 0.00
:lol:
Hardee-Har-Har!
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I wonder who is paying Cm lawyers fee....
Joe's answer to that last week on Larry King Live: "Michael's not paying him because he's not here.".
He's not here... ;)
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[youtube:3upr6e9m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oqGxO9AVcA[/youtube:3upr6e9m]
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Transcript of the interview:
Michael Jackson's doctor, Conrad Murray, was officially charged today in the connection with the death of the pop star. The one count of involuntary manslaughter alleges that Murray did unlawfully and without malice kill Michael Joseph Jackson. Dr. Murray entered a not guilty plea and was released on bail.
Joining us are the singer's father, Joe Jackson, and Joe's attorney, Brian Oxman.
What do you make of those charges, Joe?
JACKSON: I don't like those charges (INAUDIBLE). He -- he got off too easy in court today. You know, he's -- there's a lot of things that -- a lot of things that went on behind it that's not illustrated, what's been going on.
KING: Things that you know about? JACKSON: Well, I know that I'm looking for justice for my son. And to me, he's just a fall guy. There's other people, I think, involved with this whole thing. But I think that if he's interrogated, he would come clean and tell everything he knows.
KING: Did you want him charged with -- with homicide or murder?
JACKSON: I was looking for justice. And justice, to me, would be the murder charge.
KING: Because your son, Jermaine, said that the charges were not enough. And I guess you agree with him.
Brian, is it...
JACKSON: Oh, yes. No, we all...
KING: Brian, is it involun...
JACKSON: ...you know, Larry, we...
KING: Oh. Go ahead, Joe.
JACKSON: No, we all agree that it was not enough. Even the fans all over the world agree that this wasn't enough. Believe me, it was not enough.
KING: Brian Oxman, though, involuntary manslaughter means that the doctor was not there to kill him and while he may have used something that -- I'm gathering this -- that shouldn't have been used, it certainly was he didn't intend for him to die. So it had to be accidental.
Isn't that the only charge he could bring -- Brian?
BRIAN OXMAN, ATTORNEY: No, Larry. I -- I am heartbroken by these charges. Everyone in the family is heartbroken by these charges because you've got a reckless endangerment of a human life here. This doctor is giving this drug -- this Propofol -- like it was some kind of Sleep Ease it's -- or a pill for sleep. It is an anesthesia. It's dangerous when you do it outside of a hospital and you don't have the resuscitation equipment, you don't have the necessary monitoring of the heartbeat and the pulse and the oxygen level in the body.
I'm sorry, as a parent, I wouldn't let me child receive this. And I'm sitting here next to Joe Jackson. I'm sorry. This is what his child received. It is dangerous. It raises to the level of implied malice. And that is murder two.
KING: All right. We have a quote, by the way, from La Toya. The quote is: "Michael was murdered and although he died at the hands of Dr. Conrad Murray, I believe Dr. Murray was part of a much larger plan. There are other individuals involved and I will not rest. I will continue to fight until all of the proper individuals are brought forth and justice is served." We should remind you that Dr. Murray has only been charged. He has pled not guilty. And in this country, you're innocent until proven guilty.
Do you know, Joe, what your daughter means by "other people and other things they did?"
Do you know what she's referring to?
JACKSON: Well, I think she was referring to people this -- this was behind all of this. It's not just Dr. Murray himself...
KING: Like what people?
JACKSON: All of the people that was involved with Michael. I don't know exactly what all of them's names are. But, sure, there was a whole slew of them. And if...
KING: (INAUDIBLE)...
JACKSON: ...if he was interrogated enough, that they would find out everything from Dr. Murray.
OXMAN: That's right.
KING: Now, why do you -- why do you believe -- hold it, Brian.
Why do you believe, Joe, that other people were involved in your son's death?
Why do you believe that?
JACKSON: Well, who -- who's paying Dr. Murray?
Michael's not paying him because he's not here.
Who's paying all these other people that's involved?
Frank DeLeo -- all of those guys are no good guys, as far as I'm concerned. And -- Dr. Toomey (ph) is another guy that's in trying to -- all of Michael's memorabilia, he's out there with it and we can't find it. We're looking for it to sell because it belongs to the kids.
KING: Are you saying, Joe, that these people wanted Michael to die?
JACKSON: Michael said that himself, that -- that he would be killed. And he told his mother that. Because he was afraid that -- he was afraid to even do all of these shows because he was afraid that he wouldn't get a chance to finish all of those shows, because he couldn't. You don't do all those shows back to back. Even his kids say that he had told them that he would be murdered.
KING: Joe, do you know the doctor?
JACKSON: No, I don't. I don't (INAUDIBLE)... KING: Do you plan to -- Brian, are there -- are there any civil lawsuits going to come out of this?
OXMAN: Oh, absolutely, Larry. Sure enough. You've got liability on the part of a physician who was giving this drug on a regular, ordinary basis. And -- and what La Toya is talking about -- and I've talked to her a great deal about this -- is that all the people around Michael, they knew of the danger. I warned of the danger. I -- I'm sitting here going, I saw it. And I said, look, people, this man is going to die from the administration of these drugs.
And the family -- La Toya was shunned, Mr. Jackson was shunned. Everyone in this family was told, hey, we -- we have it under control. No, sir. They did not have it under control. It was reckless...
KING: So what was the purpose, Brian...
OXMAN: ...it was irresponsible.
KING: So there was just...
(CROSSTALK)
KING: You don't think they intended to harm him, do you?
Or do you?
OXMAN: I think they intended to take a -- a superstar, a megastar and have him do what they wanted him to do. And one of the ways to do it was to give him every drug that he possibly could ask for. The one thing we don't do in this society is say to people who are addicted to medications, here, have everything you want. That is reckless. It's dangerous. And, frankly, Larry, anyone who says to a drug addict here, let me give you what you want, and then they die, I'm sorry, if their name isn't Michael Jackson as the victim, they're going to be charged with murder two.
KING: All right. We're going to have you both back very soon.
And, Joe, we'll talk more about the foundation.
That's Joe Jackson and Brian Oxman on the news today that Michael Jackson's Dr. Conrad Murray charged with -- in the death of the pop star -- did unlawfully and without malice kill Michael Joseph Jackson. That's the charge.
We, of course, have no proof that any of the people our guests mentioned are involved in any wrongdoing.
Now, that's -- that's one thing to cover.
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Don't feel attacked if someone says it's a hoax
But that's my point! Pink Topaz reacted defensively (as if i had attacked her) when i offered another opinion - 'don't be so quick to push me to believe he's passed'. It's just another side of the coin. How is offering another insight 'pushing'. It makes it sound like anyone who suggests anything pertaining to MJ's 'death' is somehow threatening other people with that opinion. I didn't say that Pink Topaz's opinion was wrong, i just offered mine. No offense intended Pink Topaz.
However, i was told that my opinion was wrong, 'Well, he is not dead so you can rule out murder here' - Souza - . Turn that around, if i say, 'Well he is dead, so you can rule out hoax theory here'. I wonder how well that would go down?
I don't feel attacked if someone says it's a hoax or murder, because i sit in neither camp. However, it is common sense to want concrete evidence for either theory if you want to be sure, otherwise it just remains a theory. I guess that's why we debate.
'We are investigating a hoax, not a murder.
I would just say we are investigating? If something comes up that suggests murder, should it be supressed because it does not fit in with a hoax? Do you want the theory to fit around the facts or the facts to fit around the theory. I think the former is the rational way to go forward. Am i to think then, that you know it is a hoax and you're exploring how he did it? I thought that people on here were investigating to ascertain whether MJ had hoaxed or not, to find the truth of what happened in those last days.
My question is do you want people to investigate open-mindedly, and entertain all the possibilities of MJ's 'death', or do you just want the hoax? I ask these questions peacefully.
I agree ! Quirkey diana :?:
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Ok I maybe off topic and don't want to be banned. But Souza your avatar suddenly scared me - the one all seeing eye - LOL
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QuirkyDi, I get you, and I appreciate you taking the time to explain yourself. Let's just try too refrain from "predicting" anything at this point, and stick to our investigations, because I think we're all doing a great job!
I'm doing no predicting, i'm just analyzing what's in front of me and posting that. As long as i am not threatening anyone (which obviously i am not), what's the harm in posting an observation like you post yours. Nobody needs to be censored. If it appears i am trying harder to unpick hoax theories than to generate them, i think that is just a product of analysis rather than a deliberate attempt to ruffle feathers. You really can't castigate someone for pointing something out if it's relevant. It's not like i say 'get over it people, MJ is dead'. You will see there are others on this forum that have agreed with some things i have said, so it can't be that offensive. Bottom line is it's just an opinion, observation, something to think about, and everyone is entitled to that. So let that be it, i don't think it should be an issue. I respect your opinions.
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I truly believe with all my heart that the newspapers, magazines, reporters, writers and other folks in the media come here first. It is amazing how so much of the info that we post here ends up in the news. People are catching on to what was in front of their eyes from the very beginning. When people are looking for clues with MJ, they type in Michael Jackson death hoax or something similar. This is the first site that comes up on Yahoo. They come here looking for answers. Some people take our info and make a mockery out of it and some people who are involved with MJ, take it and lead us to more clues. I think TMZ is the biggest clue setter out there. I think we are all experienced enough at this to differ between the attention seekers and the clue setters in the media. Trust your instinct, it is usually right on.
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Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
I am not dismissing anything, but I would like to have a source. This might be a start, let's see what happens next.
Yeah- I immediately thought when I saw the thread title "Michael is starting to get his message through to the masses"- I sense that the end of the hoax could very well near if more like this comes out!
IMO the hoax will only come to an end IF this all comes out. If not it will not be safe for him to return.
I absolutely agree, I really hope that Michael's message finally comes through to the masses! This needs to be done carefully though. I have often wondered if the ''media'' comes on here and read what we are saying only to make a mockery out of it. They know we know the truth about all of them but their ''job'' is to make us look crazy isn't it. :roll:
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Did you check the source thoroughly?
It does not have any connection to the People (magazine), but it states to bring Progressive News with Controversy, Scandal and Humor
Yes, they are indeed kind of funny (I recommend the section "Weird News")
And I definitely love these stories:
"Osama bin Laden is infatuated with Whitney Houston and had planned to murder her then-husband Bobby Brown according to claims by bin Laden’s former sex slave." http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4425 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4425)
"Witnesses claim Alien UFO landing in Barstow, Ca" http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=3707 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=3707)
"Pres. Obama Related to Bush, Cheney, Justin Timberlake, Brad Pitt, British Royals, Winston Churchill, John Waters and Senator Scott Brown"
http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4561 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4561)
And here are all your favourite topics as well:
"Beyonce and Lady Gaga’s “Video Phone” Video Allegedly Displays Occult, Demonic References; Gun Abuse; Sexual Harassment and Murder of Men" http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4017 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4017)
"Book Claims Disney World Orgy of Costumed Sex and Drugs; Subliminal Messages in Disney Films" http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=3682 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=3682)
"Jay-Z Brainwashes People with Rihanna’s Help Allegedly" http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=2851 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=2851)
"The evil side of the Michael jackson Movie" http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=2314 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=2314)
and much, much more .... Enjoy :D
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According to you, it would be good to have the source, is the first time I'm crossing my fingers for a story is true.
I guess Michael's plan is to put these people in evidence and show the world to where they can get by all means and the danger posed addition to the damage done to society.
Another thing that strikes me is the part of the story that says if I mistake not Because of my bad english, is the part where they talk about drugs, wisely or not the family of this?, Correct me if I'm wrong.
The Jackson family has stated they believe Murray was an accomplice in an evil cabal, possibly connected to Freemasons and the Illuminati cult, and plot against Michael to drug, control and murder him for monetary gain
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Maybe it's just me and I don't mean any disrespect to anyone with this post. But is the idea of the Illuminati a bit over the top? I just don't believe a powerful secret organization would try to do Michael in.
Granted he's a global, culture, music, and entertainment icon. But he definitely didn't wield the power of a president, scientist, religious figure, or an educator to a degree. Why would the Illuminati set their sights on Michael? Wouldn't that go against their creed in terms of gaining a one world government? Wouldn't that go against their hunger for power?
I do believe an organization was involved in the deaths of JFK, Yassir Arafat, John Murtha, and other political/religious leaders. If Michael was a huge threat to the exposure of the Illuminati then how come Bono, Michael Moore, Dixie Chicks, and many other celebrities/entertainers aren't dead? I mean they've criticized the government and have said far more damaging claims than Michael has. Once again this isn't trying to start any trouble, I am just trying to grasp my mind around the idea of the Illuminati trying to take out Michael.
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Did you check the source thoroughly?
It does not have any connection to the People (magazine), but it states to bring Progressive News with Controversy, Scandal and Humor
Yes, they are indeed kind of funny (I recommend the section "Weird News")
And I definitely love these stories:
"Osama bin Laden is infatuated with Whitney Houston and had planned to murder her then-husband Bobby Brown according to claims by bin Laden’s former sex slave." http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4425 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4425)
"Witnesses claim Alien UFO landing in Barstow, Ca" http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=3707 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=3707)
"Pres. Obama Related to Bush, Cheney, Justin Timberlake, Brad Pitt, British Royals, Winston Churchill, John Waters and Senator Scott Brown"
http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4561 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4561)
And here are all your favourite topics as well:
"Beyonce and Lady Gaga’s “Video Phone” Video Allegedly Displays Occult, Demonic References; Gun Abuse; Sexual Harassment and Murder of Men" http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4017 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4017)
"Book Claims Disney World Orgy of Costumed Sex and Drugs; Subliminal Messages in Disney Films" http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=3682 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=3682)
"Jay-Z Brainwashes People with Rihanna’s Help Allegedly" http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=2851 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=2851)
"The evil side of the Michael jackson Movie" http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=2314 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=2314)
and much, much more .... Enjoy :D
There we have our naysayer, and again with the snarky arrogant smile. Maybe you should read the topic again because we never said it was a reliable source, we said it is OUT THERE ON THE NET for others to see and the mainstream media to pick up. And listen to Joe again, who do you think he means? Tell me that. You are in for a surprise, mark my words.
You are on my bad news list now. Not because you disagree, but because you are not open minded AT ALL and you are only here to debunk this subject without good arguments. That is EXACTLY how they work. Just ridicule it so people will be afraid to believe because they will be laughed at by people like you.
Cut it out and skip this subject the next time, we know already how you think about it and you are not contributing to the thread at all.
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I do believe an organization was involved in the deaths of JFK, Yassir Arafat, John Murtha, and other political/religious leaders. If Michael was a huge threat to the exposure of the Illuminati then how come Bono, Michael Moore, Dixie Chicks, and many other celebrities/entertainers aren't dead? I mean they've criticized the government and have said far more damaging claims than Michael has. Once again this isn't trying to start any trouble, I am just trying to grasp my mind around the idea of the Illuminati trying to take out Michael.
No offence, but I think Mike is a little bit bigger than the names you posted above, makes him way more influential and more dangerous.
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Maybe it's just me and I don't mean any disrespect to anyone with this post. But is the idea of the Illuminati a bit over the top? I just don't believe a powerful secret organization would try to do Michael in.
Granted he's a global, culture, music, and entertainment icon. But he definitely didn't wield the power of a president, scientist, religious figure, or an educator to a degree. Why would the Illuminati set their sights on Michael? Wouldn't that go against their creed in terms of gaining a one world government? Wouldn't that go against their hunger for power?
I do believe an organization was involved in the deaths of JFK, Yassir Arafat, John Murtha, and other political/religious leaders. If Michael was a huge threat to the exposure of the Illuminati then how come Bono, Michael Moore, Dixie Chicks, and many other celebrities/entertainers aren't dead? I mean they've criticized the government and have said far more damaging claims than Michael has. Once again this isn't trying to start any trouble, I am just trying to grasp my mind around the idea of the Illuminati trying to take out Michael.
The Illuminati is not a secret organization. Just go to youtube and search for Illuminati, you will get tons of results.
Did you read our blog about Mind Control and Illuminati? Here's the link, in case you haven't read it: http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2 ... d-control/ (http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2010/01/03/mike-victim-of-illuminati-mind-control/)
Please do some research first, before you reject Illuminati. There are too many signs to ignore Illuminati involvement in Mike's life.
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[~Souza~ » Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:14 am
virgo75 wrote:
Thank you guys for correcting me.
I thought it was the website for the "regular" People Magazine which isn't totally tabloid, but isn't 100% reliable either...
Either way, I'm still surprised that anyone would print that out(other than us of course ).
Quick question though:
~Souza~ wrote:
IMO the hoax will only come to an end IF this all comes out. If not it will not be safe for him to return.
Will he really be safer if all of this comes out?
I mean won't he and his family be in even MORE trouble for openly blowing the whistle rather than playing along or at least pretending to play along?
No, because as long as people will dismiss Illuminati as being a myth, they can do anything they want and 'keep it in the closet'. If the mass is aware of the evil shit they can't anymore, because if Mike pops up and gets killed shortly after exposing them, people will KNOW they killed him. As soon as those groups (Bilderberg, Skulls & Bones, Bohemian Grove etc.) are exposed, they will lose their power and justice will be served. Still Mike is doing a very brave thing here, risking everything not only for his own sake, but the world's sake, so we and our kids can live in freedom and peace. It takes a lot of courage to pull off something like this./b]
souza,
Hello, It's interesting you said that because there was a video on youtube and I am not sure if it has ever been posted on here but there was a gentlemen who was interviewed by someone who mentioned how they contrived the education system to dumb down the children.
So when you mentioned children to live in freedom. I thought about that.
Let me find it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFTpNTUs_uw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFTpNTUs_uw)
Got it. Watch it. At around 5:25 this gentlemen name Aaron Russo has now passed away but my eyes were big as quarters when I watched this last year!!! But pretty much this whole thing is happening and has been happening for a longggg time.!!! Interesting vid!! Though some of it I don't agree or from other perspective. No doubt I believe Illuminati/Freemasons are involved in much of the control of the music industry, education system, and most especially health. There is more parts to this obviously.
As the scripture says "Many perish because of the lack of knowledge!" Hosea 4:6
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You know after seeing that sites ads (affiliate marketing) it made me wonder why this board hasn't been spammed to pieces.
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reading_on » Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:35 pm
You know after seeing that sites ads (affiliate marketing) it made me wonder why this board hasn't been spammed to pieces.
Where?!
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No, because as long as people will dismiss Illuminati as being a myth, they can do anything they want and 'keep it in the closet'. If the mass is aware of the evil shit they can't anymore, because if Mike pops up and gets killed shortly after exposing them, people will KNOW they killed him. As soon as those groups (Bilderberg, Skulls & Bones, Bohemian Grove etc.) are exposed, they will lose their power and justice will be served. Still Mike is doing a very brave thing here, risking everything not only for his own sake, but the world's sake, so we and our kids can live in freedom and peace. It takes a lot of courage to pull off something like this.
I agree for 200%, Souza! ;)
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reading_on » Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:35 pm
You know after seeing that sites ads (affiliate marketing) it made me wonder why this board hasn't been spammed to pieces.
Where?!
The site has all these ads all through there. A lot of sites have them, even CNN. Like that list of Sponsors over on the right. Anyone can just about sign up for those things and they frequently SPAM the crap out of people and message boards etc. (not say People's Magazine site would, I am talking about in general I am surprised someone hasn't done that yet with all the people here)
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Maybe it's just me and I don't mean any disrespect to anyone with this post. But is the idea of the Illuminati a bit over the top? I just don't believe a powerful secret organization would try to do Michael in.
Granted he's a global, culture, music, and entertainment icon. But he definitely didn't wield the power of a president, scientist, religious figure, or an educator to a degree. Why would the Illuminati set their sights on Michael? Wouldn't that go against their creed in terms of gaining a one world government? Wouldn't that go against their hunger for power?
I do believe an organization was involved in the deaths of JFK, Yassir Arafat, John Murtha, and other political/religious leaders. If Michael was a huge threat to the exposure of the Illuminati then how come Bono, Michael Moore, Dixie Chicks, and many other celebrities/entertainers aren't dead? I mean they've criticized the government and have said far more damaging claims than Michael has. Once again this isn't trying to start any trouble, I am just trying to grasp my mind around the idea of the Illuminati trying to take out Michael.
Michael is very well aware of the illuminati and the way they brainwash people, he tried to expose them to us in a subtle way in songs like Money, They Dont Care About Us, We've Had Enough, Tabloid Junkie and others.
He also is too influential, he reaches out to people all over the world.
So they had enough reason to take him down. But I think he was one step ahead of them. ;)
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For all I've read and heard from Michael, he is anti-illuminati.
We are so hard to understand that these people dominate the world economy, including media, recording industry and movie industry. I think they have much to do in this story. :geek:
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I have such respect for this man for refusing to become another knot on their logs. He is standing up for what he believes in. I just hope theres some way that all of us can help him and protect him. That part scares me. :cry:
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No, because as long as people will dismiss Illuminati as being a myth, they can do anything they want and 'keep it in the closet'. If the mass is aware of the evil shit they can't anymore, because if Mike pops up and gets killed shortly after exposing them, people will KNOW they killed him. As soon as those groups (Bilderberg, Skulls & Bones, Bohemian Grove etc.) are exposed, they will lose their power and justice will be served. Still Mike is doing a very brave thing here, risking everything not only for his own sake, but the world's sake, so we and our kids can live in freedom and peace. It takes a lot of courage to pull off something like this.
I agree for 200%, Souza! ;)
Wow me too
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loveratheart4mj, not be afraid, it freezes, you have to talk much about these issues, look at this thought; The love banishes fear and reciprocally love drives out fear. And not only expels fear to love, but also to the intelligence, kindness, all thoughts of beauty and truth, and nothing but the mute despair, and Ultimately the fear of man comes to Expel humanity itself.
Novelist Aldous Huxley, English essayist and poet 8-)
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Well, as 'The People' magazine is not considered to be a reliable source(?), i guess we can dismiss this then, particularly as there are no quotes from the family.
I am not dismissing anything, but I would like to have a source. This might be a start, let's see what happens next.
Yeah- I immediately thought when I saw the thread title "Michael is starting to get his message through to the masses"- I sense that the end of the hoax could very well near if more like this comes out!
IMO the hoax will only come to an end IF this all comes out. If not it will not be safe for him to return.
I know I may be reading too much into this but isn't it quite a big thing for this to be written about at all - even without a source? This subject is not an average topic and as you know the messenger is usually shot down in flames for the mere mention of it. I mean I know there is no conformation of the Jacksons saying anything so it hasn't been verified but just the very fact it is an article?
And yes, I agree that this must come out for Mikael to come back - I really hope people start to see & hear the message.
Love x
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Wow, Just want to add a few thoughts to this really good discussion.
:o No matter what publication we find shit in I think the loose guidelines the rags get away with is this >>> all they would have to hear is any word implying "illuminati or free masons and could come from the rag maggot suggesting it and if one of the Jackson's gave them as much as a certain look, that in itself would be a cue for the rag to take off with pure fabrication. The rag always has the option to retract any statement if they get caught, right? Just my 2 cents
~Souza~ wrote
No offence, but I think Mike is a little bit bigger than the names you posted above, makes him way more influential and more dangerous.
I have mentioned before that Michael Jackson does in fact have a global following larger than some organized religions,,,,Think about it. Black or white, when an icon like MJ starts making public statements about any belief it's for certain that a large % of his fan base will follow and that is a threat to the elite or anyone who wants to keep him under control for their own benefit.
I cast my vote and agree that if the media picks up the notion that MJ was "whatever" by the illuminati that is fantastic news. Think of it this way...all Michael has to do is tell his family to imply illuminati in this case so he can use the media as a weapon against them just like they use the media against us. Quite an addition to his plot to expose the judicial system using Murray. Once the sheeple start hearing the word illuminati along with NWO, terrorists and other Key control words and they start asking questions, that makes it easier for the awakened one's to quick educate them to the truth....uhh, umm, yeah, what I meant to say is easier for the sheeple to have the "option" to decide for themselves about it all :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
xoxoxo
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Michael wants to expose them but something bad might happen to him in the process like MLK and Malcolm X, how come people didn't question there deaths because the illuminati control everything so God forbid Michael dies for this cause will people question it or just accept everything the media tells them, we won't because we are his true fans and we dont let the media control us but we are not a majority and a majority of MJ fans think he is dead so they wouldnt accept the illuminati theory
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a majority of MJ fans think he is dead so they wouldnt accept the illuminati theory
They are being prepared for it. Some of our members do post about this subject on the fan pages, they are spreading the word already. This month we already had close to 12.000 visits coming from the fan pages. They might not believe Mike is alive yet, but for sure there are people among them who know about the existence of the illuminati, who will be able to educate the other members on those pages.
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[*Mo* » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:26 am
King_Michael wrote:
a majority of MJ fans think he is dead so they wouldnt accept the illuminati theory
They are being prepared for it. Some of our members do post about this subject on the fan pages, they are spreading the word already. This month we already had close to 12.000 visits coming from the fan pages. They might not believe Mike is alive yet, but for sure there are people among them who know about the existence of the illuminati, who will be able to educate the other members on those pages/b]
Yeah, keep on exposing the rulers of darkness and high places.
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Maybe it's just me and I don't mean any disrespect to anyone with this post. But is the idea of the Illuminati a bit over the top? I just don't believe a powerful secret organization would try to do Michael in.
Granted he's a global, culture, music, and entertainment icon. But he definitely didn't wield the power of a president, scientist, religious figure, or an educator to a degree. Why would the Illuminati set their sights on Michael? Wouldn't that go against their creed in terms of gaining a one world government? Wouldn't that go against their hunger for power?
I do believe an organization was involved in the deaths of JFK, Yassir Arafat, John Murtha, and other political/religious leaders. If Michael was a huge threat to the exposure of the Illuminati then how come Bono, Michael Moore, Dixie Chicks, and many other celebrities/entertainers aren't dead? I mean they've criticized the government and have said far more damaging claims than Michael has. Once again this isn't trying to start any trouble, I am just trying to grasp my mind around the idea of the Illuminati trying to take out Michael.
Michael is very well aware of the illuminati and the way they brainwash people, he tried to expose them to us in a subtle way in songs like Money, They Dont Care About Us, We've Had Enough, Tabloid Junkie and others.
He also is too influential, he reaches out to people all over the world.
So they had enough reason to take him down. But I think he was one step ahead of them. ;)
i could imagine that they have been trying all those years to lure him in but he kept refusing them ('give in to me'?), so this is why they had to infiltrate his environment the way they did, like getting him back out into the public somehow and around other people. of course that couldn't happen with him not doing shows, there had to be some kind of staff, so there could be a reason to send him people or hire them. what's better than a comeback for that? i don't think, the public knows everyone involved in the project. someone of the staff or different staffs could have acted in the background without anyone noticing. murray himself is a very good example for some to go pretty unnoticed (until something happens...). and he is linked to the freemasons...
just a thought... :roll:
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tabloidburn, remember all the farce surrounding Murray and all we found here, tell me Which is the real Murray, the black man or white man?. Who can Ensure that this man belongs to the Masons?, This representation of Murray will be a message that maybe she really wanted out of the way to Michael? :geek:
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a majority of MJ fans think he is dead so they wouldnt accept the illuminati theory
They are being prepared for it. Some of our members do post about this subject on the fan pages, they are spreading the word already. This month we already had close to 12.000 visits coming from the fan pages. They might not believe Mike is alive yet, but for sure there are people among them who know about the existence of the illuminati, who will be able to educate the other members on those pages.
That is amazing, great job! The more people are prepared for it and know it the better.
Michael is very well aware of the illuminati and the way they brainwash people, he tried to expose them to us in a subtle way in songs like Money, They Dont Care About Us, We've Had Enough, Tabloid Junkie and others.
He also is too influential, he reaches out to people all over the world.
So they had enough reason to take him down. But I think he was one step ahead of them. ;)
I absolutely agree with you! :mrgreen:
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No, because as long as people will dismiss Illuminati as being a myth, they can do anything they want and 'keep it in the closet'. If the mass is aware of the evil shit they can't anymore, because if Mike pops up and gets killed shortly after exposing them, people will KNOW they killed him. As soon as those groups (Bilderberg, Skulls & Bones, Bohemian Grove etc.) are exposed, they will lose their power and justice will be served. Still Mike is doing a very brave thing here, risking everything not only for his own sake, but the world's sake, so we and our kids can live in freedom and peace. It takes a lot of courage to pull off something like this.
I agree for 200%, Souza! ;)
Exactly.....how do you think Obama got elected? Or any other president? You think We the people vote them in? HA!
Please, I mean no offense to anyone...but the man was a NEW governer, had absolutely NO experience at all and all of a sudden he is president? Because he was chosen. A man wrote a book about this and it was in the news recently...I cannot remember his name so I cant link anything...but "THEY" didnt want Hilary Clinton in office (neither did I for that matter) so they chose Obama to run against her.,,,KNOWING he would be supported because of his skin color. AND that he would win.
Presidents have NO power at all, they are just a talking head...."they" are behind the scenes running the show....Its all BS....
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I am very excited about this thread and about the possibility of MJ finally exposing the criminal elite. I am particularly grateful to the Mo and Souza for this enlightening forum and for keeping the discussion lively but on track on this important subject. I believe that when MJ's hoax is finally revealed it will serve as an important demonstration that the entire world CAN be deceived... and has been for many years.
But I have a question. By now it must be that many in the media are aware of the hoax. Perhaps that is why there is no media frenzy over the trial, only intermittent coverage when some major event happens. If they are, in fact, lurking on this forum, why would someone not want to scoop the story? Or would doing so risk exposing a story the media does not want to touch?
Recently, I was listening to the Jeff Rense radio show (he has a conspiracy site which sometimes has good information, mixed in with lots of DISinformation) and the guest mentioned MJ as one of the people within the elite that is on the 'good' side. Rense talked over him, promised to return to the subject and never did, leading me to conclude that MJ is something that one DOES NOT TALK ABOUT, even on conspiracy sites. I since corresponded with the guest to see what he was going to say and why Rense cut him off. His response was not very helpful. He first said that MJ was working with Jane Burgermeister and was going to expose the dangers of the flu vaccine during his tour. He later said that Jane denied this but never answered my question as to why Rense would not discuss MJ. It's made me wonder if the media is on some kind of blackout with regard to MJ and investigators are warned not to dig too deep or question the official story, not unlike 9-11.
That said, is MJ's strategy to force them to cover the story, particularly the trial, where I would imagine some interesting information may come to light?
I'd love to hear others thoughts on the matter! Thanks to everyone on this forum for their great insights. Makes me feel less alone.....and less crazy!!!
LOVE to all.
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tabloidburn, remember all the farce surrounding Murray and all we found here, tell me Which is the real Murray, the black man or white man?. Who can Ensure that this man belongs to the Masons?, This representation of Murray will be a message that maybe she really wanted out of the way to Michael? :geek:
you got me here...i was referring to the black murray cuz it was in the posted article somewhere. i have to keep reminding myself of how they did it in 'wag the dog', everything that was news was fabricated to the smallest details, so this could well be just the kind of stuff to confuse people. or i should read my own signature again: just because it's in print...
i don't get the last part, can you explain what you mean with your last sentence?
This representation of Murray will be a message that maybe she really wanted out of the way to Michael?
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Well, I do not think Michael would not set precisely in the hands of a doctor of Freemasonry. :geek:
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Well, I do not think Michael would not set precisely in the hands of a doctor of Freemasonry. :geek:
of course he wouldn't, if he ever knew beforehand. maybe he didn't find out? that's why i think it was an infiltration of personell on all levels and surely, those people won't tell or show in a situation like this, but rather be very cautious not to be noticed as who they really are. especially when dealing with someone like michael jackson who would be sensitive to anything pointing in that direction. so i guess you had to be extra-careful.
i think it is remarkable that so little is heard from anyone of the tii-staff, or maybe i just don't get nothing here in germany. and murray never really said anything so far (except for his little youtube speech which also didn't say much). like he's zipped. by who? and who paid his bail?
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I still think Murray is part of the deception, fijate TIAI in redirecting the present day. ;)
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sorry to post the obvious but the jackson family accusing dr murray as been connected to they who must not be mention is funny as the BIG J jackson is a member himself so think about what does J get out of this by accusing the doc? does he intend to accuse the doc to take the focus away from himself to bluff us into believing the he isnt a mkd master?
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sorry to post the obvious but the jackson family accusing dr murray as been connected to they who must not be mention is funny as the BIG J jackson is a member himself so think about what does J get out of this by accusing the doc? does he intend to accuse the doc to take the focus away from himself to bluff us into believing the he isnt a mkd master?
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What do you mean? Can you explain please?
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sorry to post the obvious but the jackson family accusing dr murray as been connected to they who must not be mention is funny as the BIG J jackson is a member himself so think about what does J get out of this by accusing the doc? does he intend to accuse the doc to take the focus away from himself to bluff us into believing the he isnt a mkd master?
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What do you mean? Can you explain please?
If you don't even know what truthsuntold means, how can you ridicule the subject in almost all your previous posts??
Shoot me cuz I'm lost... :?
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http://freemasonry-watch.blogspot.com/2 ... mason.html (http://freemasonry-watch.blogspot.com/2009/07/dr-conrad-murrary-secret-freemason.html)
:evil: :evil:
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Guys...i just found something in the lyrics of 2BAD
I'm really undefeated when MJ is on my team, theme
Reality brings forth realizm
It's the man of steel organizm, twizm
Not from the prizm, take charge like manilla
Nine five shaq represent with the Thrilla
Grab my crotch, twist my knee, then I'm through
Mike's bad, I'm bad
Who are you
NOT FROM THE PRIZM..
let me show you a picture of the PRISM
(http://school.discoveryeducation.com/clipart/images/prism4c.gif)
Wow it looks like a pyramid..hmm....BINGO!
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Guys...i just found something in the lyrics of 2BAD
I'm really undefeated when MJ is on my team, theme
Reality brings forth realizm
It's the man of steel organizm, twizm
Not from the prizm, take charge like manilla
Nine five shaq represent with the Thrilla
Grab my crotch, twist my knee, then I'm through
Mike's bad, I'm bad
Who are you
NOT FROM THE PRIZM..
let me show you a picture of the PRISM
(http://school.discoveryeducation.com/clipart/images/prism4c.gif)
Wow it looks like a pyramid..hmm....BINGO!
Can you explain this to me from the "top" please I really dont begin to understand, sorry :oops: :oops:
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:geek:
Normally I don't post anything that has to do with MJ's family but, after watching this interview with LKL and PaPa Joe, and the lawyer, I am wanting to give PaPa Joe a huge hug!
He is a fighter and is kickin butt for his son MJ and so is the lawyer.
This is the reason that makes me stand even stronger by MJ's side and his familys side to seek justice for MJ.
I copied the best part from the interview transcripts.
JACKSON: All of the people that was involved with Michael. I don't know exactly what all of them's names are. But, sure, there was a whole slew of them. And if...
KING: (INAUDIBLE)...
JACKSON: ...if he was interrogated enough, that they would find out everything from Dr. Murray.
OXMAN: That's right.
KING: Now, why do you -- why do you believe -- hold it, Brian.
Why do you believe, Joe, that other people were involved in your son's death?
Why do you believe that?
JACKSON: Well, who -- who's paying Dr. Murray?
Michael's not paying him because he's not here.
Who's paying all these other people that's involved?
Frank DeLeo -- all of those guys are no good guys, as far as I'm concerned. And -- Dr. Toomey (ph) is another guy that's in trying to -- all of Michael's memorabilia, he's out there with it and we can't find it. We're looking for it to sell because it belongs to the kids.
KING: Are you saying, Joe, that these people wanted Michael to die?
JACKSON: Michael said that himself, that -- that he would be killed. And he told his mother that. Because he was afraid that -- he was afraid to even do all of these shows because he was afraid that he wouldn't get a chance to finish all of those shows, because he couldn't. You don't do all those shows back to back. Even his kids say that he had told them that he would be murdered.
KING: Joe, do you know the doctor?
JACKSON: No, I don't. I don't (INAUDIBLE)...
KING: Do you plan to -- Brian, are there -- are there any civil lawsuits going to come out of this?
OXMAN: Oh, absolutely, Larry. Sure enough. You've got liability on the part of a physician who was giving this drug on a regular, ordinary basis. And -- and what La Toya is talking about -- and I've talked to her a great deal about this -- is that all the people around Michael, they knew of the danger. I warned of the danger. I -- I'm sitting here going, I saw it. And I said, look, people, this man is going to die from the administration of these drugs.
And the family -- La Toya was shunned, Mr. Jackson was shunned. Everyone in this family was told, hey, we -- we have it under control. No, sir. They did not have it under control. It was reckless...
KING: So what was the purpose, Brian...
OXMAN: ...it was irresponsible.
KING: So there was just...
KING: You don't think they intended to harm him, do you?
Or do you?
OXMAN: I think they intended to take a -- a superstar, a megastar and have him do what they wanted him to do. And one of the ways to do it was to give him every drug that he possibly could ask for. The one thing we don't do in this society is say to people who are addicted to medications, here, have everything you want. That is reckless. It's dangerous. And, frankly, Larry, anyone who says to a drug addict here, let me give you what you want, and then they die, I'm sorry, if their name isn't Michael Jackson as the victim, they're going to be charged with murder two.
Peace
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Joe Jackson, LaToya: Murray Apart of Conspiracy to Murder Michael: Freemason and Cabal Connections
http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4626 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4626)
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Joe Jackson, LaToya: Murray Apart of Conspiracy to Murder Michael: Freemason and Cabal Connections
http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4626 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4626)
Hi, thanks for the article it is very interesting. Latoya says the exact reason for whole case - I know we all know that - but...
“Michael was murdered and although he died at the hands of Dr. Conrad Murray, I believe Dr. Murray was apart of a much larger plan. There are other individuals involved and I will not rest and I will continue to fight until all of the proper individuals are brought forth and justice is served,” LaToya wrote.
This is interesting...
Murray is a member of the Freemasons according to Fox News; a centuries-old fraternal order with members including numerous heads of state in the Western World, wealthy business people and local middle-class citizens.
In July Fox reported Murray’s friends told their news group that since joining this fraternal order three years ago “this new network galvanized his growing side business [his traveling medical concierge business]” and placed him within the network of AEG LIVE executives in-charge of Michael’s forthcoming London concerts who recommended Murray to Michael.
A theory swirling around the world is that the Masonic organization Murray belongs to brought him connections with powerful people within the recording companies and touring agencies that are also members of that organization, and they conspired together to continuously drug Michael, sway him to assign his rights to music copyrights and other income streams over to them while under the influence of drugs.
There is the other article on the evil side of TII -
http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=2314
They are starting to put two & two together & discussing & recognising the illuminati images in the music industry as a whole - I think this is very good
One other point - it says above that Murray that he joined the fraternity three yrs ago - I know this is slightly off topic but I found the article about Michaels house being sold to a fan - in it they said Michael met Murray at that house - 2006 - 2007 - that would have been 3 yrs roughly - I didn't think he met Murray till May 2009? What do you think this means?
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/01/michael-jacksons-former-vegas-home-sells-31-million-fan
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I just posted a thread about the Illuminati trying to kill Michael, with a link to a video on youtube someone made about them controlling him (sony) & then shows him speaking out about the evil in the industry & EVERYTHING, that being the reason to try to kill him, he knew too much & was exposing them. Check it out.
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If it is true that Michael told his mother he was afraid of being poisoned, and he knew of the conspiracy I do not think has been referred to a doctor who gives drugs and anesthetics, and I think it would hire a doctor mason.
Michael escaped from all these people who wanted to assassinate him. I do not understand, is that by Dr. Tohme in hospital with Jermaine 8-)
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[truthsuntold » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:58 pm
sorry to post the obvious but the jackson family accusing dr murray as been connected to they who must not be mention is funny as the BIG J jackson is a member himself so think about what does J get out of this by accusing the doc? does he intend to accuse the doc to take the focus away from himself to bluff us into believing the he isnt a mkd master/b]
Ok, how do you know if Joe Jackson is a mason also?
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Conrad Murray is a freemason. It'sPROUDLY & BOLDLY stated on his attorney's website!
Craig Harvey is a freemason.
Chief William Bratton is a freemason.
Jesse Jackson is a freemason - and we haven't heard a word from him!
Al Sharpton is a freemason - and we haven't heard a word from him either!
Firpo Carr is a freemason and he is telling us the whole story at his website for those who have been paying attention. Sadly, every week when he lists a new article, he deletes the previous weeks' article so unless you were following from the very beginning you will not get the whole story.
Michael is alive. He is hiding in a grave until his trials and tribulations are over. Like Lazarus, Michael is asleep (propofol) and like Lazarus, Michael will be resurrected. He had a lot of legal help to pull this off and there are some criminals going down in the process. Michael will be back!
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Could b true, i mean they have done alot of heinous things, and mj hasnt surfaced yet? so could be be a possiblity until we see Mic in the flesh :?
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I haven't read most of the replies, but the page doesn't exist (anymore). And the official website of the People magazine is people.com and there is nothing about this.
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I heard that Michael is said to have come out of a coma recently:
http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/673182?page=1 (http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/673182?page=1)
and other pages (meletrik).
What do you guys think? Could the coma story be a part of the hoax? I have looked for a report of Michael coming out of a coma, but I couldn't find it.
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I heard that Michael is said to have come out of a coma recently:
http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/673182?page=1 (http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/673182?page=1)
and other pages (meletrik).
What do you guys think? Could the coma story be a part of the hoax? I have looked for a report of Michael coming out of a coma, but I couldn't find it.
Went to the link but didn't see anything about the coma on the site.
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It's probably further back on the thread by now. Meletrik said she saw something here, on MJHDI, about Michael coming out of a coma; and I wanted to know if there was any more information regarding that story.
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In all my years of following celebrities, Michael Jackson has received by far the most recognition after his "death" than quite possibly in life. Again, It's extremely difficult to make assertions and follow reasoning without substantiated claims, but to be honest, I think there is a fine line between factual evidence and hope. of course, we all want Michael to be alive, but our job is to help verify the claims and clues to help sway our personal opinions and not get bogged down by the illegitimate irrelevant material which pertains to the hoax. I've previously stated this once before, and I'll again reiterate the same sentiments. USE YOUR HEAD AND NOT YOUR HEART. After michael returns, we can all use our hearts, but this is simply an in depth investigation that could quite possibly span years, so please know the facts from fictitious garbage. At this stage, anything written in the media or press, and even the so "called" family of the Jackson's could be very well false, so it's important to assess all the necessary variables when dealing with this sensation. Again, this is just a simplistic reminder to all those who wish MJ to return, but as we all know, its important stay level headed, especially for this hoax-death.
Another issue that I find particularly interesting, is the fact that many on this message board still refer to michael as cute and sexy, which, of course there is NO problem with expressing your affection towards michael, love is infinite, but we need to stay focused and not comment on every little picture that arises, and look deeply to investigate. Because, well all know, when your attracted to someone, sometimes we have a tendency to not think clearly and this gets in the way of logical reasoning and thinking. Again, you can express these feelings, but make sure it doesn't get in the way of investigation purposes. Every little bit of help is recommended, but focus is the key term. so please open your mind and take things into perspective. This isn't going to get any easier so we really need to be on the ball with these findings.
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The domain of the cited articles is up for sale:
http://whois.domaintools.com/peoplemagazinedaily.com
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i believe the illuminate/freemasons are a part of this. it's so obvious i remember an interview with michael jackson and discussed about how his songs are toping the charts in various countries except for the united states, following that by stating that a certain someone(s) is behind the reason why and he refused to go any further with that statement...
I think he was going to expose the truths on his tour but they killed him so he couldn't
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Katherine addressed them yesterday on Oprah "They did it because he was around children always, and I'm not going to mention names, they KNOW who they are."
Also Jackie's new song says a lot, the lyrics are unmistakable. This can't be ignored by the opposers anymore.
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Have to read this later.