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Title: The nurse
Post by: MeandMyShadow on February 14, 2010, 01:03:42 PM
This may have been discussed before.  I hadn't seen it since I joined this board, so could be in the archives somewhere but...

What do you make of the nurse who came forward at the beginning of all this and told the media about propofol.  Why go on the media about it?  And why come forward?  Nobody had even mentioned anything about him taking anesthesia for sleeping, or that he had a sleeping problem.  And, as far as I know, she wasn't a suspect.  So why did she do it?  

Seems like at the time, she also stated that she was in the E.R. for something on herself in Florida.  So, why would MJ or somebody working for him, call her on her cell phone for propofol when he was in California and had CM as a doctor.  Or, was this before CM came on board?

I'm just trying to look back on a lot of things that happened early on, that really seems fishy.  Like her going to the media about this.
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: bec on February 14, 2010, 01:44:29 PM
Because she's a plant... an unknowing plant but a plant nontheless. Michael very likely recognized something in her persona and personality would make her compelled to "tell her story" following "death". I'd be willing to bet after all these years of dealing with people coming in and out of his life and the media, that he had good perception of who in his life was a talker and who he could trust. Talkers would be cut out of the inner circle but they could be useful to play other roles... like feeding the media with wild wacked out stories.... when they benefited Michael.

So Michael knew A. that she was too honest to actually provide him with the weirdo bizarre drug (propofol) but B. would be inclined to go forward and tell the story to the media follwoing his death to enjoy her 15 minutes of fame.

So, perfect. He back planted the propofol story through Miss Nurse who dutifully played her part, completely unbeknownst to her, some few days after 6-25.
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: Venus7 on February 14, 2010, 02:01:27 PM
That call from MJ to the nurse happened on Easter day. She said she was in ER, sick herself.
Michael called her NOT for diprivan, he just asked her to come over, and that  1/2 of his body was cold and other 1/2 was hot. She said to him that she cannot come because she is in FL and in the hosp. at the moment.
Conrad Murray was probably in Las Vegas. I think CM started ordering Propofol For MJ in May, 2009.
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: LiteEyeZ22 on February 14, 2010, 02:10:50 PM
Quote from: "Venus7"
That call from MJ to the nurse happened on Easter day. She said she was in ER, sick herself.
Michael called her NOT for diprivan, he just asked her to come over, and that  1/2 of his body was cold and other 1/2 was hot. She said to him that she cannot come because she is in FL and in the hosp. at the moment.
Conrad Murray was probably in Las Vegas. I think CM started ordering Propofol For MJ in May, 2009.


but she did say he asked her for propofol, she was the 1st 1 to mention propofol.
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: Venus7 on February 14, 2010, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: "LiteEyeZ22"


but she did say he asked her for propofol, she was the 1st 1 to mention propofol.

MJ probably couldn't get propofol on Easter time, who knows why. That's why he was probably calling everyone he knew  very close in healthcare.
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: adventureland on February 14, 2010, 02:22:53 PM
I know, MJ called Cheryl on the 21.06.(Fatherday) and that because CM dont work for MJ on Saturday or Sunday.

And by the way - Cheryl was on the TII-Premiere

http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=h ... N%26um%3D1 (http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZZ-CqtHjAnk/SuoO7Fau1XI/AAAAAAABozY/GbZyV-89d-A/s400/Cherilyn%2BLee,%2BMichael%2BJackson%27s%2Bnurse.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.timessquaregossip.com/2009_10_01_archive.html&usg=__3bwn_j5pWUycgNpufgmNGbbaY_c=&h=400&w=365&sz=18&hl=de&start=16&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=WuvIgyq9Gu-jOM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=113&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcheryl%2Blee%2Bmichael%2Bjackson%26hl%3Dde%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1)
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: Raven on February 14, 2010, 03:32:15 PM
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
This may have been discussed before.  I hadn't seen it since I joined this board, so could be in the archives somewhere but...

What do you make of the nurse who came forward at the beginning of all this and told the media about propofol.  Why go on the media about it?  And why come forward?  Nobody had even mentioned anything about him taking anesthesia for sleeping, or that he had a sleeping problem.  And, as far as I know, she wasn't a suspect.  So why did she do it?  

Seems like at the time, she also stated that she was in the E.R. for something on herself in Florida.  So, why would MJ or somebody working for him, call her on her cell phone for propofol when he was in California and had CM as a doctor.  Or, was this before CM came on board?

I'm just trying to look back on a lot of things that happened early on, that really seems fishy.  Like her going to the media about this.
Going to the media (after informing the police) can be a way of securing that the information will be known and not swept under the carpet. To my knowledge, only after she pointed to the propofol, investigators went back to the house and found the bottles of propofol. What would have happened if she hadn't; did Murray mention by himself at the hospital to the physicians and investigators that he had administered propofol?
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: voiceforthesilent on February 14, 2010, 03:45:02 PM
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
This may have been discussed before.  I hadn't seen it since I joined this board, so could be in the archives somewhere but...

What do you make of the nurse who came forward at the beginning of all this and told the media about propofol.  Why go on the media about it?  And why come forward?  Nobody had even mentioned anything about him taking anesthesia for sleeping, or that he had a sleeping problem.  And, as far as I know, she wasn't a suspect.  So why did she do it?  

Seems like at the time, she also stated that she was in the E.R. for something on herself in Florida.  So, why would MJ or somebody working for him, call her on her cell phone for propofol when he was in California and had CM as a doctor.  Or, was this before CM came on board?

I'm just trying to look back on a lot of things that happened early on, that really seems fishy.  Like her going to the media about this.

From the beginning I thought it odd that she would go to the media with the information. I know she wanted to set the record straight and get the news out there of what MJ was asking her for, but if it were me, I would have just gone to the police and left the media out of it. It's really hard to say because there are so many attention seekers out there. I believe too, as someone mentions, that she's an unknowing participant. I think this was before CM was his full time doctor.
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: Aintnosunshine on February 14, 2010, 04:36:15 PM
As far as I remember she was talking about 2 different phone calls. First - at around easter - MJ reached her asking for Diprivan/Propofol and second - on June 21 - his entourage (or himself, there were contradictious statements) called her for help because "one side of his body was hot and the other side cold". Since she was in Florida at that time she just told them to get him in a hospital asap.

She also said that that at the second call "she knew he must have been given something that hit his central nerve system". But obviously he was not going to a hospital.

I was thinking about this since I know that these symptoms (different body side`s perceptions) are typical for people who just suffered a - more or less severe - stroke. But we never heard anything else about this. We were told that the very next day Monday, 22nd June) he was fit for rehearsals .... I can`t help, but this still sounds kind of strange to me ...

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: bec on February 14, 2010, 04:49:00 PM
You guys seriously think Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, would have to make phone calls himself to get these drugs if he really wanted them? Yeah right.
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: Aintnosunshine on February 14, 2010, 05:10:18 PM
Quote from: "bec"
You guys seriously think Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, would have to make phone calls himself to get these drugs if he really wanted them? Yeah right.


Well, of course! Do you think he would reveal himself to his staff in such a highly private matter?  We are not talking about Aspirin ...
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: karen-ishealive on February 14, 2010, 05:20:58 PM
I agree with Bec, she was the seed... MJ is an intelligent man and knew who would run to the media.
Didn't demerol or diprivan only come into the equasion after she spoke out on LKL and then all of a sudden MJ was on this all the time which one doctor on LKL can't think of his name but he's a celebrity doctor but he said this was so bizarre and in the same logic as aliens coming down to earth, something to this effect which brings me back to MJ and the oxygen chamber and the elephant mans bones!!
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: Venus7 on February 14, 2010, 05:30:59 PM
Quote from: "Aintnosunshine"


I was thinking about this since I know that these symptoms (different body side`s perceptions) are typical for people who just suffered a - more or less severe - stroke. But we never heard anything else about this. We were told that the very next day Monday, 22nd June) he was fit for rehearsals .... I can`t help, but this still sounds kind of strange to me ...

Any thoughts?

Actually, it makes more sence that MJ died from stroke. Maybe AEG, Sony wanted more drama on this because the more sad and dramatic his death  that means more sales. money and so on.
Propofol was likely  planted afterwards, and they payed to the nurse and CM for propofol stories?
Everybody wins in this situation...everybody.
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: mjboogie on February 14, 2010, 06:55:38 PM
I have always believed this as well. When this nurse came forward out of nowhere. If you notice after the nurse here comes Arnie Klein on LK discussing the fact that MJ had used propofol in the past when he was touring in London remember. Also the nurse stated that MJ told her that another doc had given it to him before. When she asked MJ who he did not want to tell her this info. This particular scenario has me puzzled because of other docs coming forward during this time stating that MJ asked for it. There were I think like 2 other docs? Correct me someone if I am wrong. Also. security people just all types of staff coming out saying MJ was addicted to all types of drugs like majorly. Remember some security that worked for him stated that he was popping 40 xanax pills a night? Yeah I know bull shit but the media did report these dam stories! That is why I feel all of this is not right. The way they have depicted MJ as this drug crazed junkie since June 25th just does not sit right with me. The one thing is that nobody will personally EVER make me feel like MJ was a junkie prescription or whatever because I feel that he cared about his health waaay too much, his kids, hell his life! Anytime anyone asked him if he was afraid of death he would say NO! remember? He wanted to live forever. SO I still stand on HOAX or MURder 1 of the 2. :(
Then I know some people would say well when you are an addict its kinda hard to say what an addict would or would not do u know? But I just cant see it!
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: bec on February 14, 2010, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: "Aintnosunshine"
Quote from: "bec"
You guys seriously think Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, would have to make phone calls himself to get these drugs if he really wanted them? Yeah right.


Well, of course! Do you think he would reveal himself to his staff in such a highly private matter?  We are not talking about Aspirin ...

.... yet he'd personally call some obscure nutritionist nurse and reveal that desire just like that. Cmon, use your own logic here.

Especially a nurse who couldnt even get him that stuff even if she wanted to.
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: voiceforthesilent on February 14, 2010, 07:07:20 PM
Quote from: "Venus7"
Quote from: "Aintnosunshine"


I was thinking about this since I know that these symptoms (different body side`s perceptions) are typical for people who just suffered a - more or less severe - stroke. But we never heard anything else about this. We were told that the very next day Monday, 22nd June) he was fit for rehearsals .... I can`t help, but this still sounds kind of strange to me ...

Any thoughts?

Actually, it makes more sence that MJ died from stroke. Maybe AEG, Sony wanted more drama on this because the more sad and dramatic his death  that means more sales. money and so on.
Propofol was likely  planted afterwards, and they payed to the nurse and CM for propofol stories?
Everybody wins in this situation...everybody.

I don't think AEG could act quick enough to make up a story like that.  Plus, I'm not sure Randy Phillips is creative enough to think of something like propofol.
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: Venus7 on February 14, 2010, 07:14:07 PM
Now I have some conflict with stroke and propofol suspicion. Because there some documents from DEA that Dr. Murray was ordering Propofol before June 25. Can someone link me to that document, please?
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: Christiana on February 14, 2010, 07:34:33 PM
This is information that my friend posted on the MJJC community. It has a lot of info on this topic. She does not believe in the hoax at all, but some good info here. Read On:

In one of the first search warrants issued, within the affidavit, it is noted that on June 27th, Murray spoke with Detective Smith and Officer Martinez.

"Murray stated that he was Jackson's personal physician. Murray had been treating Jackson for insomnia for approximately the past six weeks. He had been giving Jackson 50 mg of PROPOFOL (DIPRIVAN), diluted with LIDOCAINE (XYLOCAINE) every night via intravenous (IV) drip to assist Jackson in sleeping."

Further in that same affidavit, it is stated that, "Murray told Officer Martinez that he was not the first doctor to introduce Jackson to PROPOFOL. Murray stated that Jackson was very familiar with the drug and referred to it as his "milk."

Then further down it states, "At one time Murray noticed and inquired about injection marks on Jackson's hands and feet. Jackson stated that Doctor Cherilyn Lee had been giving him a "cocktail" to help him. Murray believed the cocktail to be a PROPOFOL (DIPRIVAN) mix."

So that was stated by Murray to the detectives on June 27th, according to the affidavit. It also states that a search warrant was issued on June 29th for "the doctor's bag and supplies" at Jackson's home. There they recovered several bottles/vials of Propofol and the other meds we know about.

The affidavit further states that the LA County Coroner's investigator subpoenaed medical records from all the doctors noted to have treated MJ (Murray, Klein, Metzger, Adams, Tadrissi, Slavit, Rosen, and nurse practitioner, Cherilyn Lee). This happened on or after July 17th, according to the affidavit. It is noted that at the time of the warrant, "Dr. Lee and Dr. Metzger's medical records have not been received by the LA Country Coroner's Officer.

In the very next paragraph it states that "Detectives Smith and Myers interviewed Cherilyn Lee." It does not give the date there, but since it notes previously that Murray was interviewed on June 27th, when he mentioned his belief that Lee was giving MJ a "cocktail" of a propofol mix, I think it's safe to assume that Murray brought Lee's name into the investigation, her medical records were later subpoenaed, and she was subsequently interviewed by police.

On June 30, on AC360 on CNN:

Campbell: did you go to the authorities with any of this?

Cherilyn Lee: no

Campbell: did you think about doing that?

Cherilyn Lee: well, when I saw it on the news I kind of felt I knew what happened. And I just didn't really - I really didn't know what to do. I was saddened; I heard there was a physician there.

On RadarOnline, Lee says LAPD questioned her after she'd done an interview (I assume she's talking about one of her many TV appearances). You can see that here:

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2 ... ut-strange (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/exclusive-video-interview-michael-jacksons-nurse-lapd-questioned-me-about-strange)

Here's another video where she talks about the LAPD coming to her "about a week or so after...I don't totally remember the time frame." This is at about 1:45 in the video.

http://www.accesshollywood.com/access-e ... eo_1140681 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/access-extended-nurse-cherilyn-lee-talks-michael-jackson-investigation_video_1140681)

She implies that the LAPD now had information they didn't have before, once she had gone to the AP (Associated Press, which was her first official interview and it was on 6/30). So she's saying that she is the sole person to bring up propofol, and that's basically how the LAPD knew about it.

It seems to me though, in all of this information, that Murray first mentioned propofol in his interview with detectives on June 27, which means he was the first person to mention it. And it seems likely that someone had to have leaked that tidbit of info to her, giving her the heads up, which is when she started doing her interviews and such. This just says to me that she was trying to tell what she knew about propofol with MJ, to clarify that he asked her for it, but she did not give it to him. Why else would she bring it up? Especially since she admits in the AC360 interview that she did not go to the LAPD with that info. She says in the later interviews that she was fully cooperating with them and such, but she didn't voluntarily contact the LAPD, which is odd to me.
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: mjssoulmate on February 14, 2010, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: "Venus7"
That call from MJ to the nurse happened on Easter day. She said she was in ER, sick herself.
Michael called her NOT for diprivan, he just asked her to come over, and that  1/2 of his body was cold and other 1/2 was hot. She said to him that she cannot come because she is in FL and in the hosp. at the moment.
Conrad Murray was probably in Las Vegas. I think CM started ordering Propofol For MJ in May, 2009.

NO, Michael called her about his body being half cold and half hot on Father's Day, June 21st.  He supposedly asked her for Diprivan some months before that.
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: MJsSuperflyPYT on February 14, 2010, 10:26:01 PM
Quote from: "mjssoulmate"
Quote from: "Venus7"
That call from MJ to the nurse happened on Easter day. She said she was in ER, sick herself.
Michael called her NOT for diprivan, he just asked her to come over, and that  1/2 of his body was cold and other 1/2 was hot. She said to him that she cannot come because she is in FL and in the hosp. at the moment.
Conrad Murray was probably in Las Vegas. I think CM started ordering Propofol For MJ in May, 2009.

NO, Michael called her about his body being half cold and half hot on Father's Day, June 21st.  He supposedly asked her for Diprivan some months before that.

I've had my suspicions about Lee from the start.  All her interviews seem a little "scripted".  To me, they are all the same and almost like...idk...she came out of nowhere basically.  I'm still trying to figure that one out because when she came out with it then everyone else followed suit with propoful stories.

According to this article, http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6615737.ece, and from my understanding of it, allegedly MJ asked her for the drug 3 months before June.  Maybe someone else can understand it better than me  :?
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: Venus7 on February 14, 2010, 10:43:27 PM
Nurse Lee came out quick to save her ass. As someone stated if CM already testified to investigators about Propofol, then is logical for nurse Lee to save her ass. The best deffense is attack first, you know...So she came forward fast before it was getting too ugly, because cops knew about propofol before she said anything about that. She didn't want to be in that mess because she probably gave propofol to Mike in past and she just was lucky that MJ didn't die under her care. IMO
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: MJsSuperflyPYT on February 14, 2010, 10:53:52 PM
Quote from: "Venus7"
Nurse Lee came out quick to save her ass. As someone stated if CM already testified to investigators about Propofol, then is logical for nurse Lee to save her ass. The best deffense is attack first, you know...So she came forward fast before it was getting too ugly, because cops knew about propofol before she said anything about that. She didn't want to be in that mess because she probably gave propofol to Mike in past and she just was lucky that MJ didn't die under her care. IMO

You could be right, and I've wondered about her reasons too.  That article I mentioned above stated too that she allegedly claims that MJ practically begged her for the drug or else find someone who could get it.
Title: Re: The nurse
Post by: foreverking on February 14, 2010, 11:49:06 PM
Quote from: "Venus7"
Nurse Lee came out quick to save her ass. As someone stated if CM already testified to investigators about Propofol, then is logical for nurse Lee to save her ass. The best deffense is attack first, you know...So she came forward fast before it was getting too ugly, because cops knew about propofol before she said anything about that. She didn't want to be in that mess because she probably gave propofol to Mike in past and she just was lucky that MJ didn't die under her care. IMO
I Totally disagree! She tried to warn MJ. She works with other Hollywood clients and is well Known for her Vitiam cocktails. There is no way she gave MJ that drug. Dr Murray was trying to save his butt by blaming everyone else for his deed.
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