Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: bec on February 07, 2010, 06:31:02 PM
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In regards to an old debate made new again on another thread, I decided to post this as it's own topic because it's fucking important. Not the GIF persay, but the emotions and reactions the GIF inspires. Please read, and THINK about the message. Forget the GIF. It's only an example. What I am trying to express is bigger then the GIF. It pertains to the entire hoax, and the entire journey we have all been on these past long 7+ months together.
On another thread, I am involved in a discussion. I presented this post for consideration:
Not a paramedic. Reason #1, ponytails and hair below ear lobe level are expressly against EMT and LAFD dress code protocol. Reason #2, There are 3 paramedics already present in this GIF, two at the head of the stretcher and one at the foot on the left side. Reason #3, there are no legs to accompany this person. Reason #4, this person's head remains level as the other walking people's heads bob up and down with their walking stride. The only other head in this GIF that remains level is the gentleman standing motionless in the doorway.
Conclusion: This ponytailed person is either levitating beside the stretcher or sitting on the stretcher.
Conclusion jumped to: As this is the stretcher unloaded from the ambulance videotaped leaving Michael's residence on 6-25 and arriving at UCLA, this levitating or stretcher riding person is Michael.
In response, QuirkyDiana said this:
The clarity in that footage really isn't great at all. I understand the valid points you made, but they can also be explained other ways. It is not impossible that person is a paramedic. Did MJ cut his hair - because that ponytail is very short. I think it's a big jump to say it's MJ when it doesn't look like him or the pic is too blurry to tell.
Also why sit up like that when you are clearly visible?
Which inspired the following thoughts:
What makes you think the ponytail is short? It's end is obscured by another person. Only where the ponytail originates out of the base of the scull is visible.
Triangulated logic to be sure. But, considering our options, what's more believeable, that it's an EMT, considering the 4 reasons I gave against that theory... or that it's Michael? What makes you say it's illogical that it's Michael? Media reports that he died?
I have 4 reasons why resolving that this is an EMT is illogical and no one has presented a logical reason that it isn't Michael... other then the fact that the media says he died.
So yes, I get that believeing Michael is alive and kicking and entered UCLA fine and dandy is difficult to grasp... but then why are you all here?
Just saying. If we are going to ignore the information that the GIF presents in leu of media reports that we have already and routinely collectively discarded as hearsay or sraight up falsities, then in the end we are STILL NOT thinking outside the box and we are STILL NOT believeing our own eyes and brains and we have learned NOTHING in the course of these 7 months.
So again. In order to research this hoax with any success then you have to turn OFF the TV (metaphorically) and turn ON your own eyes and analytical minds and THINK FOR YOURSELVES.
SO. Discard the information the media presents. Discard what your non-believer friends say. Discard what the general public believes to be true. Shit, even discard what I say, and LOOK AT THE GIF. Look closely at the information we have. Look carefully at the evidence. Look closely at what's real and make up your own mind. But remember, the media is powerful, and they infiltrate your psyche very deeply. All of us under the age of 65ish are TV raised from birth. We have been systematically trained to accept what the pretty lady or the handsome man on the picture box says is true. It's influence runs deep, so deep it's difficult to realise the full extent of it's power. Even we hoaxers have a constant internal and subconscious battle raging within, to independently draw our own conclusions, to put aside what the media tells us is true, he's dead. You see it on the forums and in chat every single day, another one, oh I think he's dead guys, they succumb to the pressure, to the propaganda. Because we all feel that little nagging voice in the back of our heads say "it's not real.... what the box says is real". But that voice isn't reality. That voice is the systematic propaganda we were all born and raised on.
This is the power of the media. They run the entire country. They control the minds and thoughts and perceptions of every single human being who has access to a TV. They control it so deeply is ingrained, like an instinct, like a biological urge.
Dig deep. Our brains still function. We still have the ability to perceive an event and come up with a conclusion based on what our own eyes tell us, completely independently of any outside influence. It's difficult, but please realise what the little voice in your head really is. It's not real. It's the media.
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Very interesting; my only problem is that I don't see the guy with the pony, if you can please point it out that would be great.
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Very interesting; my only problem is that I don't see the guy with the pony, if you can please point it out that would be great.
ahaha i dont see him either maybe i need new glasses :O
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i saw someone on the stretcher, looks like he's wearing sunglasses lying down from his seated position. but..didn't see any ponytail.........
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Keep looking.
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the "ponytail shot" is like 1 second before the GIF ends and starts over again(the sixth frame)..just keep staring between Murray and the security guard.
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I could just be my eyes (They are f.ucked up) But I really don't see a ponytail.
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focus on the intrance ..and u will see him
so the guy with the ponytail is suposed to be ...?
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Thank you Bec for reposting your very well said speech. I love it and did see it in the other thread. Seems though you are being ignored, slightly, with no response and I wonder why that is ??? I know exactly what you are saying about thinking outside the box, listening to what has not been said, observing the least obvious in this case.
If you've ever read my posts I may have mentioned that all my life I've felt things were not right. I've never been a TV addict, so I'm less programmed than most my friends. I'm not sucked into material things or fancy packaging, I'm too practical minded to be sucked into what is considered or appears normal to most. So I feel the bad vibes of mind control and things hidden and am sensitive to the energy around me. I know where you are coming from. I understand your frustration here.
For the past 8 months I've been trying to deprogram myself even more and have learned so much being involved in this investigation. I want justice for Michael too, but very much tilt toward the side of not falling for the illusion. This entire CIRCUS surrounding what happened June 25th, 2009 is meant to open our eyes to the bigger picture. This is Michaels Greatest Show On Earth and people are still hoping he will just show up out of thin air to come rescue the weak minded?????
Things in this world are changing right under our noses to those who are paying attention. Lucky for the sheeple there are enough who have AWAKEN and are trying to stop the really nasty shit that's gonna creep up behind those still under the spell of their own dream states. While thousands of MJ fans are either sobbing over a hypothetical murder, others are arming with pitchforks in LA or glued to this forum. This is what Alex Jones gets so angry about,,,the media distraction that in the end will kill the people and allow the mafia types to take over the world.
Well, I've been here all day myself reading all about it. I think Murray is in on the hoax that has gone way out of hand. He is in the spotlight, that's for sure. I sure hope Michael has plenty of cameras set up for tomorrow or the next day when Murray gets his day in court. I can't wait to see the movie.
Keep throwing your thoughts and wisdom out to us Bec. I for one welcome it !
xoxoxo
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OMG that is sooooo MJ! GUys u dont see it. I have saw this before on another website where there are hundreds of people analyzing it! This is a very good GIF, I would like to know what EMT do u all know that wears a ponytail dark shades and RED lipstick! Comeon it is directly in front of us. I for one believe it to be him. Also I would like to know who is stepping out of the back of the ambulance? :shock:
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I SEE IT! Yay!
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@bec
I understand where u are coming from with this. I always think outside the box because usually that's where most of ur answers could come from :D Now doggone I really wanna see this GIF but I can't til 2marrow after 6 hours of school :!:
Hmmm I wonder if I wake up early will I be able to get on the forum and see it :?: :?
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Thanks Karma.
Oh and one last little bit of funsies for you....
That GIF is constructed from ALL the pics taken at the scene. Know how many pics were taken that day at that time? Yup, you guessed it. 7 pics.
lol.
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Thank you Bec for reposting your very well said speech. I love it and did see it in the other thread. Seems though you are being ignored, slightly, with no response and I wonder why that is ??? I know exactly what you are saying about thinking outside the box, listening to what has not been said, observing the least obvious in this case.
If you've ever read my posts I may have mentioned that all my life I've felt things were not right. I've never been a TV addict, so I'm less programmed than most my friends. I'm not sucked into material things or fancy packaging, I'm too practical minded to be sucked into what is considered or appears normal to most. So I feel the bad vibes of mind control and things hidden and am sensitive to the energy around me. I know where you are coming from. I understand your frustration here.
For the past 8 months I've been trying to deprogram myself even more and have learned so much being involved in this investigation. I want justice for Michael too, but very much tilt toward the side of not falling for the illusion. This entire CIRCUS surrounding what happened June 25th, 2009 is meant to open our eyes to the bigger picture. This is Michaels Greatest Show On Earth and people are still hoping he will just show up out of thin air to come rescue the weak minded?????
Things in this world are changing right under our noses to those who are paying attention. Lucky for the sheeple there are enough who have AWAKEN and are trying to stop the really nasty shit that's gonna creep up behind those still under the spell of their own dream states. While thousands of MJ fans are either sobbing over a hypothetical murder, others are arming with pitchforks in LA or glued to this forum. This is what Alex Jones gets so angry about,,,the media distraction that in the end will kill the people and allow the mafia types to take over the world.
Well, I've been here all day myself reading all about it. I think Murray is in on the hoax that has gone way out of hand. He is in the spotlight, that's for sure. I sure hope Michael has plenty of cameras set up for tomorrow or the next day when Murray gets his day in court. I can't wait to see the movie.
Keep throwing your thoughts and wisdom out to us Bec. I for one welcome it !
xoxoxo
Ah yes, exactly my thoughts- you sound a lot like me, Karma! I was just noticing how on Friday, everyone was getting all caught up by that DATELINE special- about things J. Randy Tarraborelli (or however you spell it..) was saying! No offense, guys, but really- a gossip monger? Nothing he says is important! We need to remember when we watch things like that this is a hoax and what the media says is biased and twisted..
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Does anyone have the pics by themselves - not in a gif?
It seems to blur just as I see someone moving in between, then I'm kinda distracted by the other people & they get in the way. :?
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So again. In order to research this hoax with any success then you have to turn OFF the TV (metaphorically) and turn ON your own eyes and analytical minds and THINK FOR YOURSELVES.
SO. Discard the information the media presents. Discard what your non-believer friends say. Discard what the general public believes to be true. Shit, even discard what I say, and LOOK AT THE GIF. Look closely at the information we have. Look carefully at the evidence. Look closely at what's real and make up your own mind. But remember, the media is powerful, and they infiltrate your psyche very deeply. All of us under the age of 65ish are TV raised from birth. We have been systematically trained to accept what the pretty lady or the handsome man on the picture box says is true. It's influence runs deep, so deep it's difficult to realise the full extent of it's power. Even we hoaxers have a constant internal and subconscious battle raging within, to independently draw our own conclusions, to put aside what the media tells us is true, he's dead. You see it on the forums and in chat every single day, another one, oh I think he's dead guys, they succumb to the pressure, to the propaganda. Because we all feel that little nagging voice in the back of our heads say "it's not real.... what the box says is real". But that voice isn't reality. That voice is the systematic propaganda we were all born and raised on.
This is the power of the media. They run the entire country. They control the minds and thoughts and perceptions of every single human being who has access to a TV. They control it so deeply is ingrained, like an instinct, like a biological urge.
Dig deep. Our brains still function. We still have the ability to perceive an event and come up with a conclusion based on what our own eyes tell us, completely independently of any outside influence. It's difficult, but please realise what the little voice in your head really is. It's not real. It's the media.[/b]
This is very poignant and very true. It's scary how deep the media has brainwashed us. You talk about mind control...we're all victims of it. My brother and I were talking about the effects of the media and how it affects us from childhood onward and how it also makes us have a certain perception as a society with what is considered normal and okay and true and what is considered crazy and blasphemous and false.
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Keep looking.
yep, saw it! it's actually the one i thought was leaning backwards...i saw the ponytail, and the end of it was hidden and i saw the left ear too..hehehee...
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Very interesting; my only problem is that I don't see the guy with the pony, if you can please point it out that would be great.
I've marked this guy you need to follow... keep an eye on him all the time thx[attachment=0:2v8z0doq]UCLA_neu_gif.gif[/attachment:2v8z0doq]
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bec and karmaknowstruth, 100% with you. Thank you, this was needed.
We have to notice however that coming out of their box maybe very difficult, painful and frightening for some people as they are so used to have others think and speak for them.
This is the time to take them gently by the hand.
Not leading but accompanying on their journey with a smile.
Many may fall still for some third party opinions but slowly they will start reflecting.
This is awakening.
This takes time.
A lot of time.
First there's the Murray case to terminate then there are the individual tasks to terminate.
IMO we are heading for 2012 - not for Maya, end of world or other crisis made-up deadlines.
But because we all need so tremendous time to wake up and change our individual life.
There is no sense in MJ coming back to spotlight before as all our interest will focus on him again and not on our personal circumstances and on what needs to be done.
Thanks again for sharing. Highly appreciated. :-)
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Once again, bec, I'm impressed with your comments. I totally agree. What I found interesting and ironic, though, is the most important part of what you are trying to point out in this post gets overlooked by most of the responders. They are focused on seeing the guy with the ponytail and trying to figure out if it's Michael or not. If somebody are still searching for those kinds of clues to "verify" that michael is not dead, they are are still in Kansas, and not on that yellow brick road that leads them to the wizard and all of his wisdom. Keep it coming, bec. Love how you think.....
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Get what you're seeing but MJ was head first in the ambulance so his feet should come out first? When did they turn the stretcher around? Mind you this would mean the ambu pic was real...
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I see it as well. lol I have seen pics of this too. I think this it is highly possible that it could be Michael. And if it's not, it may be a double that he hired.
It's true though. People are so quick to debunk stuff because they are programmed to think a certain way and to stay within the confines of what is 'logical' in the eyes of this corrupt society.
Based on what they think to be logical and prudent, they say>>> Oh! He would NEVER do a thing like that!" or they say "There is no way he could have pulled this off...there would have to be too many people involved."
And I say this…
NO ONE knows what Michael would or would not do. The only ones that know that are God and Michael. AND do not underestimate Michael and his influence.
Always have an open mind and do not be afraid to think differently than others.
In college, I took sociology and we went over this very interesting experiment that was done on live human subjects by social scientists.
They had a group of 5 people and they instructed them on what to do. They then when out on the prowl for people willing to participate in their experiment. They were able recruit many willing participants.
Each participant was lead into a room with the group of 5 people and they were shown different things on a big screen and were asked questions on what they saw. Take note that the participant was under the impression that the others in the room with him/her were also people off the street. Then it came time for the test. The five were now going to do what they were instructed to do.
A picture came up and there was an item in the picture that was red. The social scientists that had instructed these 5 people then asked the participant a question. “What color is such n such item?” and he answered “Red.” They scientists then asked the other 5 (who were in on it) the same question and they all said “Blue.” They were instructed to try to convince that participant to agree with them.
They repeated this many times with other human subjects and the results were staggering. Those five people were able to convince almost all of the subjects to say that the object was blue when it was really red.
This is scary and sad at the same time and it just shows how thinking for oneself is becoming a rare commodity.
I totally understand you all >>Bec, Karma, Mj5StarChick, and looking4truth.
It's really important for all of us to realize how deep this brainwashing goes.
I have always been the odd one out. lol I had a really hard time in grade school because of how those around me would treat me. I never conformed to what they saw as normal. But they did not start to respect me until I stood up for myself and asserted my right to be different.
On occasion, it’s difficult because I don't want to sound condescending or rude. But, either way...hell if you do or hell if you don't. There will always be idiots that get the wrong idea. And because they don't understand, the lash out at you and say hateful things and they do so to cover up their own insecurities.
So.... I would rather be who I want to be and get hell for it then to be who they want me to be and still get hell for it. 8-)
~alma~
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That's a fascinating post White Night. The social experiment you cited on one hand is a little frightening, as the power of peer pressure is strong, but there is a genetic survival trait buried in here that must not be overlooked.
It is a desireable trait in humans to conform. A group of humans are more likely to survive and thrive if they can work together and think similarily. The human who refuses to go along with the group is less likely to survive as he will lack comrads to assist with food and resource gathering, participate in mating and child rearing, and protection from enemies. A human alone is a clever creature not to be underestimated, but a group of humans working together are the most powerful creatures on the planet, hands down.
So really, conformity is a necessary and beneficial trait in human beings, and is linked to our species' success over the millenia in the ecosystem. However, that being said, the study White Night refers to illustrates very clearly the depth that conformity reaches within us, and the power of group suggestion over our own perception of reality. Thankfully, evolution has also gifted us with free will, analytical thought, and self awareness... all traits we should use... frequently, in conjunction with society.
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Does this sequence of gifs posted above say anything about MJ and the "famous" pictures of him in an ambulance while he was "said fighting for his life"?
The gifs only say that a person surrounded by many men was entering a hospital.
Obviously the person was sitting on the stretcher, laying down while entering and some of the men tried to cover the person up.
Nothing more nothing less.
Then you may add questions about the circumstances:
What hospital is it?
A hospital in the US?
In California?
Is this really UCLA back entrance for receiving ill persons?
Is it the arrival of ambulance 71?
WHICH DAY were the pics taken?
Which daytime?
If all questions can TRULY and with your own proof / conclusion be answered with YES
UCLA, back door entrance, ambulance 71, June 25, Murray and bodyguards identified, person laying down identified, then is it important why the stretcher had been turned and pushed "head first"?
(The direction of the stretcher being pushed is a usual one - it has to do with respect for the ill person and for not treating him/her like a sofa relocation and for keeping eye contact in order to be able to recognize when something's going wrong with the patient.)
The complete scene of gifs does NOT imply or prove that another picture like the famous ambulance picture was real, true or is connected in any way to this story of a person being delivered to a hospital.
It does not even imply that the person we see on the pictures ever has been in the ambulance that is standing there.
WE are putting the pieces together to a picture that says:
- footage of an ambulance leaving the mansion
- a miraculous "exclusive" ambulance picture
- footage of helicopters
- pictures of an arriving person at a hospital
- and somebody declares somebody to have passed away.
And oops, the disappearance has become a death. The death of Michael Jackson even.
And with all imagination of hundreds of people in the media and the web, it becomes even manslaughter, murder, even intentional murder by nwo, induced heart attack by cia new secret weapons or whatever. All those getting fed only by print press and TV did see the images / footage cut to the publisher's convenience and adorned with some impressive manipulative "breaking news", comments, interviews, endless monologues and gossip chat.
And each and everybody in media was or played the "I am so concerned" - and they could not care less actually. It just gave them food to move their jaws and a steady primetime full house.
Our interpretation goes where we find the most convenient place for it - even if this may end up as a construct of our vivid imagination.
One last comment on the ambulance pictures that were debunked many times already:
How come that a man having slept for hours and was found in an urgency afterwards does show so little traces of a beard? Did they shave him for the pics in the ambulance?
If you ask me, I would say: YES.
Did anybody in media ask this question? NO.
See: that shows perfectly how much and to what detail they were interested in the case.
And if you go on, you'll see that they are ZERO interested in Doc Murray and all related matters.
They will continue to swallow each and every manipulated piece of the story and the Jackson's once for all can collect the traces of who did when execute a miserable job and PROVE that not only the story was invented but that ALL just fell for it because it was just TOO convenient and fitting the system. The medical system, the law system, the media system, the mind set system, the so convenient "it has ever been that way" sloppyness.
;-)
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But guys, he wouldn´t lay on the stretcher with dark shades! even if he´s alive or not.. c´mon....
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Ok..I see very clear the person with pony tail. Could it be Michael. But who is the person descending from the ambulance ?
And why the bodyguard raised his jackett? He wanted to hide this person or who?
Sound like a illusion show..Everybody`s eyes are on the group with stretcher. And in that moment, could it be Michael descending from the ambulance van..Nobody paid attention to this person...
What do you think?
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It is a very old clue. Someone (maybe bec) posted this gif in the old MJHD sometime in early autumn. We all seem to be forgotten about it. I'm glad bec posted it again, because I'm sure that not everyone here have seen it in the first place.
In the old forum there was a slow version of this video and that was very convincing. If someone could make it very slow, it would be seen more clearly how this guy on the stretcher couldn't be nobody else than Mike.
(I didn't read all the posts, sorry, if the slow version has been already posted here.)
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First of all I want to say that your post is brilliant bec and I totally agree on the fact that we are being brainwshed. However, I read the posts on the other thread too and I'm still not fully convinced. If I believed the media from the beginning I wouldn't even be here would I? I'd accept what they were reporting was true, i.e. that Michael passed away on the 25th of June. I hardly ever trust the media regarding these things and if I do read or watch anything I do it with a critical mind. First of all I find these pictures quite blurry which makes it hard to be sure of anything really. I see a ponytail but I can't see any shades and it's too blurry to make out if this person is wearing lipstick or not. And like someone stated above why would he be wearing sunnies anyway whether alive or not and lipstick as well for that matter? I'm not stating I know what Michael would or would not do but I'm trying to question everything. Then there's the question of which way his head would be facing and I know we can't rely on the ambulance picture but how are patients usually put into the ambulance? Anyone that knows? If this person sat up on the stretcher we would not be seeing the back or the side of the head, we'd see him from the front but that's just my conclusion. And I also question why he'd even sit up if he knew he was still visible? I'm still confused about the legs but perhaps someone elses legs are blocking the vision? I think it's great that we are discussing this so don't get me wrong I'm not trying to bash anyones findings. This is what an investigation is about, seeing things from different angles and then analyzing it. I also want to say this: a lot of us are concerned that some of us might be too affected by the media but keep in mind that many people on this site believe the same thing and might therefore also be easily convinced by fellow hoax believers. I just want us to be honest to ourselves and try not to just see what we want to see. If we were to show this gif to others (not aware of the hoaxt heory) I wonder if they'd even see anything... Sorry about the long post but let's stay focused and work together!
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Hope this helps:
the person is sitting, bending back and then turning her face to the right so that a ponytail may be seen.
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(Remark: about the second pic I have the doubt of photoshop.)
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Once again, bec, I'm impressed with your comments. I totally agree. What I found interesting and ironic, though, is the most important part of what you are trying to point out in this post gets overlooked by most of the responders. They are focused on seeing the guy with the ponytail and trying to figure out if it's Michael or not. If somebody are still searching for those kinds of clues to "verify" that michael is not dead, they are are still in Kansas, and not on that yellow brick road that leads them to the wizard and all of his wisdom. Keep it coming, bec. Love how you think.....
I've been thinking this for the past 5 months or so. I will admit that I get sucked into it as well but I always know there is a bigger picture. It goes way beyond MJ. What I find so interesting is that people forget that right after June 25th, there were people quoting him saying that this project goes beyond him. I find it funny that people that search for clues all the time, didn't catch this very important one. The message and the mission is bigger than the man. It may be difficult for some but we may have to slowly pull away from the man to truly get the message. And perhaps, maybe then, he'll show up.
I see it as well. lol I have seen pics of this too. I think this it is highly possible that it could be Michael. And if it's not, it may be a double that he hired.
It's true though. People are so quick to debunk stuff because they are programmed to think a certain way and to stay within the confines of what is 'logical' in the eyes of this corrupt society.
Based on what they think to be logical and prudent, they say>>> Oh! He would NEVER do a thing like that!" or they say "There is no way he could have pulled this off...there would have to be too many people involved."
And I say this…
NO ONE knows what Michael would or would not do. The only ones that know that are God and Michael. AND do not underestimate Michael and his influence.
Always have an open mind and do not be afraid to think differently than others.
In college, I took sociology and we went over this very interesting experiment that was done on live human subjects by social scientists.
They had a group of 5 people and they instructed them on what to do. They then when out on the prowl for people willing to participate in their experiment. They were able recruit many willing participants.
Each participant was lead into a room with the group of 5 people and they were shown different things on a big screen and were asked questions on what they saw. Take note that the participant was under the impression that the others in the room with him/her were also people off the street. Then it came time for the test. The five were now going to do what they were instructed to do.
A picture came up and there was an item in the picture that was red. The social scientists that had instructed these 5 people then asked the participant a question. “What color is such n such item?” and he answered “Red.” They scientists then asked the other 5 (who were in on it) the same question and they all said “Blue.” They were instructed to try to convince that participant to agree with them.
They repeated this many times with other human subjects and the results were staggering. Those five people were able to convince almost all of the subjects to say that the object was blue when it was really red.
This is scary and sad at the same time and it just shows how thinking for oneself is becoming a rare commodity.
I totally understand you all >>Bec, Karma, Mj5StarChick, and looking4truth.
It's really important for all of us to realize how deep this brainwashing goes.
I have always been the odd one out. lol I had a really hard time in grade school because of how those around me would treat me. I never conformed to what they saw as normal. But they did not start to respect me until I stood up for myself and asserted my right to be different.
On occasion, it’s difficult because I don't want to sound condescending or rude. But, either way...hell if you do or hell if you don't. There will always be idiots that get the wrong idea. And because they don't understand, the lash out at you and say hateful things and they do so to cover up their own insecurities.
So.... I would rather be who I want to be and get hell for it then to be who they want me to be and still get hell for it. 8-)
~alma~
You make a fantastic point especially with that study you quoted and bec, your response to it is right on target too. I see both sides to it and I think both sides are right. Conformity to a degree is necessary for a society to function. However, conformity can lead to us being blinded by what's really in front of us due to our oblivion to our own truth about ourselves, hence a lot of us being discontent and untrue to ourselves.
I am liking this dialogue by the way. Maybe if we go beyond MJ, we can get somewhere. Perhaps, he is lighting the match to burn a fire within us to be the best we can be spiritually, mentally, physically and emotionally. Or perhaps the universe is using him as an image for this awakening to happen to a group of people. The universe can have many vices to prove a point or to create an energy change in our consciousness. Just a thought.
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Grace I realise you are coming in late here but those pics in the GIF are cropped from full size pics that show the entire back door enterence to UCLA ER with the same ambulance that was videotaped leaving Michael's home standing with doors open (I might add, a HUGE breech of emt protocol) just outside. Like I said, this is an old old old clue, and a convincing one. I'm sorry I don't have all the collaborating evidence to present here, I certainly don't expect anyone to take my word for it.
I was simply presenting it as.... remember this? Forgeting that not everyone was around back in late September. We have the old mjhd crashing to thank for incomplete information.
4 of these pics were available shortly after 6-25. Then suddenly in late septemeber, ET presents us with the middle 3 pics, randomly accompanying some MJ article, that showed, low and behold, snippets of Michael's head. Put together, all 7 pics created that GIF... and that's when my world changed forever.
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Does this sequence of gifs posted above say anything about MJ and the "famous" pictures of him in an ambulance while he was "said fighting for his life"?
The gifs only say that a person surrounded by many men was entering a hospital.
Obviously the person was sitting on the stretcher, laying down while entering and some of the men tried to cover the person up.
Nothing more nothing less.
Then you may add questions about the circumstances:
What hospital is it?
A hospital in the US?
In California?
Is this really UCLA back entrance for receiving ill persons?
Is it the arrival of ambulance 71?
WHICH DAY were the pics taken?
Which daytime?
If all questions can TRULY and with your own proof / conclusion be answered with YES
UCLA, back door entrance, ambulance 71, June 25, Murray and bodyguards identified, person laying down identified, then is it important why the stretcher had been turned and pushed "head first"?
(The direction of the stretcher being pushed is a usual one - it has to do with respect for the ill person and for not treating him/her like a sofa relocation and for keeping eye contact in order to be able to recognize when something's going wrong with the patient.)
The complete scene of gifs does NOT imply or prove that another picture like the famous ambulance picture was real, true or is connected in any way to this story of a person being delivered to a hospital.
It does not even imply that the person we see on the pictures ever has been in the ambulance that is standing there.
WE are putting the pieces together to a picture that says:
- footage of an ambulance leaving the mansion
- a miraculous "exclusive" ambulance picture
- footage of helicopters
- pictures of an arriving person at a hospital
- and somebody declares somebody to have passed away.
And oops, the disappearance has become a death. The death of Michael Jackson even.
And with all imagination of hundreds of people in the media and the web, it becomes even manslaughter, murder, even intentional murder by nwo, induced heart attack by cia new secret weapons or whatever. All those getting fed only by print press and TV did see the images / footage cut to the publisher's convenience and adorned with some impressive manipulative "breaking news", comments, interviews, endless monologues and gossip chat.
And each and everybody in media was or played the "I am so concerned" - and they could not care less actually. It just gave them food to move their jaws and a steady primetime full house.
Our interpretation goes where we find the most convenient place for it - even if this may end up as a construct of our vivid imagination.
One last comment on the ambulance pictures that were debunked many times already:
How come that a man having slept for hours and was found in an urgency afterwards does show so little traces of a beard? Did they shave him for the pics in the ambulance?
If you ask me, I would say: YES.
Did anybody in media ask this question? NO.
See: that shows perfectly how much and to what detail they were interested in the case.
And if you go on, you'll see that they are ZERO interested in Doc Murray and all related matters.
They will continue to swallow each and every manipulated piece of the story and the Jackson's once for all can collect the traces of who did when execute a miserable job and PROVE that not only the story was invented but that ALL just fell for it because it was just TOO convenient and fitting the system. The medical system, the law system, the media system, the mind set system, the so convenient "it has ever been that way" sloppyness.
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BEC, GREAT POST!
HI GRACE! I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN... I´M WITH YOU! THE ONLY THINK THAT I HAVE IN MY MIND ALL THE TIME IS HOW THE FAMILY COME IN ALL THIS THINK? THE MEMORIAL, THE FUNERAL... I KNOW HE IS ALIVE AND WELL, WITH HIS KIDS, MAYBE AT NEVERLAND, IN PLAIN SIGHT... BUT HOW THW FAMILY WOULD EXPLAIN ALL THE SPEECHES...
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I think it could be a short ponytail because MJ didn't wear his wig...
His real hair is shorter..
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You make a fantastic point especially with that study you quoted and bec, your response to it is right on target too. I see both sides to it and I think both sides are right. Conformity to a degree is necessary for a society to function. However, conformity can lead to us being blinded by what's really in front of us due to our oblivion to our own truth about ourselves, hence a lot of us being discontent and untrue to ourselves.
Hey lookingfortruth,
Yeah that's exactly what I was trying to say. Like you said, 'Conformity can lead to us being blinded' regardless of whether we are genetically ingrained to do certain things or not. Yes maybe back in our Neanderthal days, this may have been necessary for survival...(and I say this with jest because I personally do not believe in evolution but I still love to engage in analytical discussions) but history has shown us time and again that it is less beneficial to be different in the eyes of society in general than it is to go with what most people are doing.
This, in essence, breeds corruption in almost every level of society. And I say this because what 'most' people are doing is not always the RIGHT thing to do. Just like when you see a homeless person begging. Most people just walk away for fear of being mugged or robbed. But from time to time, a Good Samaritan will come along and help this homeless person. The Samaritan goes against the norm to follow his/her heart and show love to a complete stranger that has the ability to harm him/her.
Desirable or not, conformity can make people do crazy things. Things that no one would do if they were in the right mind. And I say this with all the love in the world.
And yes, I do agree in that I like how the discussion is going.
But it’s important that everyone keep an open mind. Do not be so quick to make a decision on what you may or may not see. Always be true to yourself and do not let anyone make you say that the object is ‘blue’ when you know in your heart that it is ‘red.’
~alma~
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Truly fantastic thought provoking discussion kids.
I am a mind controlled human and I admit it.
First admitting the fact we have been trained through mind control is the first step.
Believing recovery is possible is the next step.
Practicing to de-program is crucial and being here is helping.
Oh, durn, after looking at the video and stills several dozen times,,, I almost forgot to mention...Bec even you missed this,,,did you guys notice right at the beginning (it happened in a flash moment) I'm pretty sure I saw MJ's billfold fly off the cart at the corner of the frame next to the ambulance onto the ground between the white shirt guy in the middle between the ponytail and the wall. I know they found it okay, thank god because it helped them to have his driver's license to.,,,.. compare the photo to his face to properly ID the body after he died remember? Wait minute....dang silly me...it couldn't have been MJ's billfold because he was stark naked on his bed,,,,he was in such a hurry shaving he forgot his pj's,,,oh but could have tucked his license under his skinny 110 pound body armpit,,,,,I just can't believe with all the propofol oozing out of his eyes that they could even tell it was the same person on the photo ID. Ya know sometimes newborn babies get accidentally switched inside hospitals and always wonder why they are so different then their family...........get my drift :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Good discussion !
xoxoxo
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@karmaknowstruth...
OMG! That is the funniest post ever! :lol:
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@karmaknowstruth ROFL
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@karmaknowstruth
I had to copy and print that one! :o :lol: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:
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Ok we know that Dr M is walking by the strecther (he has on a white Tshirt and grey pants), and Mj is on the strecther. So who do you suppose is also coming put of the ambuance. The person that the orderly is holding the jacket for, who do you think that is ? You can see that he is wearing a black jacket (and it appears that he is a man, because of height and it looks like a male's jacket )
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I've already posted that it could be a double because they would have had to make a switch in the hospital - if its not MJ its more than likely a double. There were probably two MJs in the ambulance.
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Ok we know that Dr M is walking by the strecther (he has on a white Tshirt and grey pants), and Mj is on the strecther. So who do you suppose is also coming put of the ambuance. The person that the orderly is holding the jacket for, who do you think that is ? You can see that he is wearing a black jacket (and it appears that he is a man, because of height and it looks like a male's jacket )
The orderly is holding the jacket to prevent people taking pictures/filming the person on the brancard
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Those 7 pics together is just awesome.