Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => Updates & Posts by TS => Topic started by: TS on February 07, 2010, 04:07:19 AM
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In case anyone has not read TIAI Update #2 yet, here is the link for that: {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965}. And here is a link for the whole series {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}.
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3-1. Outline for TIAI Update #3
3-1. Outline for TIAI Update #3
3-2. Clues About Dates in Up-dates #1 & #2
3-3. Hoax Chronology is Based on CA Time
3-4. TMZ Clue for January 25
3-5. TMZ Big Clue for February 5
3-6. TMZ Clues for Murder or Hoax?
3-7. Return Delays: Long and Short
3-8. Do You Need More Evidence?
3-9. The Best Is Yet to Come!
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3-2. Clues About Dates in Up-dates #1 & #2
Did anyone notice that TIAI Update #1 had 18 sections, ending with “1-18”—this represented Update #1, and section 18; but it also represented the date, January 18 (1-18-2010). Although MJ did not return on January 18 (see 3-7, below), there was a significant clue on that day: the ALLJACK5ONS tweet (see Update #2).
Update #2 had 5 sections, ending with “2-5”; and yes, this also represented the date, February 5 (2-5-2010). Again, among many other things on February 5, TMZ had a big clue on that day (see 3-5, below).
Does this mean that nothing significant will happen before March 9 (3-9, the last section in this update)? No; you don’t need to wait until March 9 to check TMZ again (see 3-9, below).
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3-3. Hoax Chronology is Based on CA Time
Of course the “death” was in CA (California), and was given in CA time (2:26 PM). The memorial and the burial were also in CA. And of course the LAPD (Los Angeles Police Department) is in Los Angeles, CA. So whenever looking at dates and times related to the hoax, we need to be using the CA time zone {or Pacific Time, which is UTC minus 8 hours, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_zone}.
Those who read my threads last fall, in the old MJHD forum, know that I always posted the threads on specific dates and times. And I have also done this with the TIAI posts. The easiest way to see the TIAI times is to go to your “User Control Panel”, then go to “Board preferences”, go down to “My timezone”, and select “[UTC – 8] Pacific Time” (then push the “Submit” button on the bottom). Or if you would rather, just subtract 8 hours from the UTC default time in the forum.
TIAI Revealed (Part 1) was posted on 12-21, three years before 12-21-2012; it was also posted ten minutes before midnight (“It’s close to midnight … The midnight hour is close at hand …”). TIAI Update #1 was posted at 11:11 PM on 1-11 (1+1+1+1+1+1+1 = 7). TIAI Update #2 was posted on 1-21-2010 (1+2+1+2+1 = 7); it was also ten minutes before midnight, exactly one month after 12-21 (TIAI Revealed, Part 1).
TMZ is physically located in CA {http://www.tmz.com/about/; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMZ.com}; however, the times and dates reported on their website are given in Eastern Time. This means that in order to convert times in TMZ articles into CA times, you need to subtract 3 hours.
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3-4. TMZ Clue for January 25
Even though MJ did not return on January 18 or 25 (see 3-7, below), there were major clues on both of these dates—as well as on February 5. These three dates were all mentioned by TIAI weeks in advance (see TIAI Revealed, Part 6; TIAI Update #1, and TIAI Update #2 ending with “2-5”).
The big clue on 1-18, the tweet from ALLJACK5ONS, was already discussed in detail (see Update #2). However, we are now going to look at the clues for 1-25 (this section) and 2-5 (next section).
“Michael Jackson -- Live in Concert? Not Exactly
Michael Jackson is back [return] … The email above sure makes it seem like Michael is performing in San Diego on Valentine’s Day. But the show is actually a laser light show set to Michael’s music. … Shocker.” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/26/michael-jackson-concert-tickets-san-diego/} Although this says that it’s merely a laser show, yet this is clearly a clue—especially since it ends with the word “shocker”!
And even though the article says it was “Posted Jan 26th 2010 7:00AM”, yet those who watch TMZ closely know that articles posted are often revised later to a different time. But you can see when the article was originally posted, by looking at the time listed in the comments; with this article, the first comment was “Posted at 1:53AM on Jan 26th 2010”. Now convert that from Eastern Time to Pacific Time (CA time), and the article was posted roughly an hour before midnight on January 25!
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3-5. TMZ Big Clue for February 5
Those who were watching TMZ and/or the hoax forums last week, are aware of the news on Murray and the court, etc. Here are a dozen TMZ articles about Murray, all posted on February 5 and/or talking about February 5: {http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/04/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-arraignment-involuntary-manslaughter-court-lapd/;
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/04/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-lapd-d-a-district-attorney-involuntary-manslaughter-arrest-meeting/;
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/04/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-lapd-feud-district-attorney/;
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/jimmy-kimmel-dr-murray-should-kill-himself/;
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-arraignment-lapd-district-attorney/;
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-d-a-lapd-surrender-arrest/;
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-lapd-d-a-arraignment-news-conference/;
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=458d1cca-0c14-495e-8ada-0d1aea2c863c;
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/dr-conrad-murray-criminal-charges-arraignment-involuntary-manslaughter-michael-jackson/;
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-involuntary-manslaughter-da-news-conference/;
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/conrad-murray-lapd-arraignment-d-a-bail/;
http://www.tmz.com/tmzlive?autoplay=true&mediaKey=befeeb4a-f88f-4708-97c9-deb582d3695b;
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/06/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-tomb-forest-lawn-photos/}
That last one is very interesting; and it’s another example of an article being posted, and then the time being revised later: “Feb 6th 2010 7:00PM”. The first comment was actually “Posted at 1:06AM on Feb 6th 2010”; in CA time, this would be about 10:00 PM on February 5!
So TMZ saved the best February 5 Murray article for last (the big clue article); and they even kept it at or near the top of the home page for about 24 hours (and it has far more comments than most TMZ articles).
Here is the big clue part: “Murray showed up at Forest Lawn Memorial Park on Wednesday afternoon to visit the tomb of the man he may or may not have accidentally killed.” Notice first that it says “Wednesday”, and yet this news was not posted on TMZ until February 5! Why not, unless it was supposed to be the big clue for “2-5”?
The clue part is quite obvious, at least to hoax believers: “may or may not have accidentally killed”. Yes, it is carefully worded so that non-hoaxers would probably think that maybe Murray intentionally killed MJ (maybe not accidentally). However, the emphasis is actually on the last word, “killed”; it does NOT say “may or may not have killed by accident”! Instead, it says “may or may not have (accidentally) killed”! Maybe MJ was not killed at all!! {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=4954}
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3-6. TMZ Clues for Murder or Hoax?
In TIAI Update #2, you can see not only the “2-5” date predicted in that update—but the subject matter of the February 5 prediction is also discussed. TMZ is specifically mentioned, and in fact the last section has TMZ in the title (Is TMZ a Counterfeit Hoax Informer?). There is also discussion about Dr. Murray in that update; and there is a whole section about murder or hoax (2-4).
And once again, what was the big clue for February 5? It was a clue on TMZ about Conrad Murray; and the clue itself was worded in such a way that it could refer to intentional murder, or to the hoax (although the emphasis indicates hoax more than murder).
Now this brings up another point: has TMZ been giving clues all along that indicate intentional murder, or clues that indicate planned hoax?? I think you know the answer to that, especially if you have already read TIAI Update #1. And again, the TMZ clue for January 25 has nothing to do with murder—it’s about MJ being “back” and performing “live in concert”, etc (see 3-4, above). Therefore, hoax is the proper way to understand the February 5 clue: Murray may not have (accidentally) killed MJ, because maybe MJ is not dead!
Notice also that some of the reader comments under MJ articles are from hoax believers—sometimes there are quite a few hoax comments. And we know that TMZ reads the comments, because sometimes they even respond to them. Then we know for certain that they are aware of hoax believers; and in fact they even know that there are many hoax believers!
Yet TMZ doesn’t ever mention the hoax directly, why not? Surely, if this was not a hoax, then they should say something against the hoax idea. If it is a hoax, then they can only give clues—but not state things directly about the hoax, not until the right time.
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3-7. Return Delays: Long and Short
Speaking of the right time (MJ return): TIAI Revealed, and Update #1 already went into detail about the long delay from Halloween until January. But MJ did not return in January, either; so does this mean that TMZ is a fake informer, since nothing happened on January 18 regarding the investigation? {see again this article, http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/18/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-lapd-investigation-applied-pharmacy-search-warrant-las-vegas/}
No, it just means that there has been a short delay. We know that this delay is much shorter than the first delay (three months): because things are now moving forward, only a couple of weeks after January 18 (and hopefully, there will not be any further delays).
Did anyone catch the clue during the Grammys, about the delay? Paris said: “Daddy was supposed to be here. Daddy was going to perform this year.
But he couldn’t perform [this year?] last year!” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/01/michael-jackson-paris-prince-grammy-speech/;
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=e86bd498-7fec-4a48-a777-87f31e4a48e4}
As with all clues, this one was worded carefully—so that most people would think MJ could not perform this year, because he died. However, neither Paris nor Prince said anything about their father dying or being dead. The only thing mentioned by Paris was performance this year (versus last year); and for hoax believers, we know that she was not really talking about death keeping MJ from performing at the Grammys.
Then what was she talking about? If MJ had returned on January 18, or 25, or even at the Grammys (January 31): then he could have performed “this year”. But there was a delay, a change of plans; in fact, there wasn’t even a hologram performance.
By the way, as most of you know already, the 2010 Grammys did not include MJ in the list of music professionals who had died since the 2009 Grammys {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4532;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiU00Z-xi74; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdcUvhq_3do}.
So we either have an MJ death hoax, or else we have four major cases of dementia: the Grammys; “This Is It” cinema movie (no mention of MJ death); “This Is It” with additional material on DVD (still no mention); and TMZ forgot MJ on their celebrity RIP page for seven months, until hoax believers reminded them about it {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=4986}.
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3-8. Do You Need More Evidence?
Is it clear enough yet, that MJ is alive—or do you need more evidence? And is it clear enough yet that TIAI / STUDY has repeatedly demonstrated advance knowledge, on things about the hoax—or do you need more evidence? Let’s review the examples again, and add the more recent cases (#12, #13, #14).
#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD; stay tuned for the 9-9-09 update, including the spider “return” in TII).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, and was fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
#12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed”.
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
Do you remember redirect 17? “And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe.” (John 14:29, NKJV).
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3-9. The Best Is Yet to Come!
Well, even if you do need more evidence, keep watching for the 9-9-09 update. It will show very strong evidence of the hoax, and against the murder theory—as well as further evidence that TIAI (STUDY) has genuine hoax information (and is not a fake informer).
Also keep watching TMZ; things are going to be very interesting! As MJ himself put it: “The best is yet to come!” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q2yIV-LaPI}
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Hmm.. interesting... (am I the first to read it / comment upon it?)
Thanks, TS for the update. We've been waiting for that. I'm glad to read that from now on everything will be going according to the plan. No more delays.
Paris' speech was weird, but I understood it exactly in the way you explained it. Hmm...
TS, are you working for TMZ? :)
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ooh!!!! all very exciting!!!
But i don't get the last part: if you need more evidence keep watching for the 9-9-09 update, can someone help me understand what is meant by this??Thanks
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i knew you would post today :)
Thank You, TS!
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Yes ,when it is this update ?
Thanks TS ,I keep de fuull hope of MJ alive and his return :)
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Thank TS!
you always make me to keep the faith
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thanks for the update TS :)
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Dear TS or STUDY or TIAI or what ever you would like to be called. I have read all your posts and followed thisisalsoit.com carefully since not the very beginning but almost. You seem like a very intelligent person and to know so much about this hoax. Makes me wonder who you really are, are you mister Jackson or someone close to him. I don't need convincing about the hoax anymore, nor do I need information about the return date. Mister Jackson will come at his own time. We need to focus on the message. Anyway, I sure would like to know where you get your information and how come it seems to be connected to TMZ's articles. Please tell us sometime. =)
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Thanks for your post TS, I've been waiting for that ;) You've been precise as always, and I thank you for that.
I admit I didn't notice the clues about the dates in your previous updates, silly me ...
I've just got a question about the Grammys: Paris' speech was certainly a clue itself, and I also noticed Prince making a gesture with his hand, very clearly. He made a symbol, an unmistakable one. Is it just my imagination or did I see it right?
Thanks again.
L.O.V.E.
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Dear TS or STUDY or TIAI or what ever you would like to be called. I have read all your posts and followed thisisalsoit.com carefully since not the very beginning but almost. You seem like a very intelligent person and to know so much about this hoax. Makes me wonder who you really are, are you mister Jackson or someone close to him. I don't need convincing about the hoax anymore, nor do I need information about the return date. Mister Jackson will come at his own time. We need to focus on the message. Anyway, I sure would like to know where you get your information and how come it seems to be connected to TMZ's articles. Please tell us sometime. =)
Probably a family member - but which one?
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Is it really important to know who he is? I don't think so, it's the message that counts IMO ;)
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Is it really important to know who he is? I don't think so, it's the message that counts IMO ;)
If we could be certain who it is, we could believe for sure what they say.
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beLIEve in his message ;) If he says "I am Marlon, or Jackie, or Michael" just to give you few examples, would you believe that??!!!
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beLIEve in his message ;) If he says "I am Marlon, or Jackie, or Michael" just to give you few examples, would you believe that??!!!
No - I did say, if we could be certain - impossible maybe but the only way to believe for sure.
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Precise make.beLIEve.
Nothing we did not read already at other sources.
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Thanks again for your post TS, if people still think he's dead or you are talking BS, then I have nothing more to say.
I tried http://www.thisisalsoit.com (http://www.thisisalsoit.com) today, but it said I needed a username and password. That's pretty interesting. :lol:
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Thanks TS - I have been waiting for an upate from you. I have followed TIAI from the beginning and also remember the posts of S.T.U.D.Y on the original MJHD.
It is really good have someone clearly point out these things because I felt like my brain was going into overload this past week!!!!
I did pick up on lots of the clues this week from TMZ about Dr Murray and also gorgeous Paris's speech at the Grammy's was a massive sign I thought and also leaving out of MJ from their "In Memoriam" list, however it was coming so thick and fast (esp. about Dr Murray) I felt a bit out of control. Not now though. So thank you. Also that one about Michael performing LIVE was a doozie!!!!
Those boards on TMZ can get really nasty. This week I posted a few comments there in support of Michael being alive and about some of the inconsistencies, especially with the Dr Murray saga - but people shoot you down like you are crazy or something. They are just so vile, rude and unkind...now I know how Michael felt (well kind of, in a really really infintesimal way). It's just awlful. I never responded to their comments because it just wasn't worth the mental stress.
Anyway - "the best is yet to come'...well YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can barely imagine what that will actually be after having survived what has happened the last 7 months.....really if this week is anything to go by I know it's going to be WILD! I am up for it. I have survived these past 7 months so I know I can keep going!
I am here for Michael and for L.O.V.E.
Adi
xxx
PS wanted to add too that I know Michael's message is very important and we need to spread it around the world - but man he has such a great sense of humour....like we always knew he did...Dr M visiting the tomb...LOL!!!!!!
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Thanks again Ts.. :D
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I don't know about anyone else, but it does FEEL like matters are drawing to a close. I can't imagine how it is that he will surface, but look forward to a big surprise and, if truth be told, the ability to say I TOLD YOU SO to all those people who think I/we are nuts!
But there's another part of me that doesn't (almost) want this to end. I've made so many friends, shared an amazing experience, and learned so much.....will we all just celebrate together and go back to our normal lives? Personally, I'm hoping that there will be a show or something where all the video makers and bloggers reveal themselves and share their stories along with some of us who have experienced major transformations. Or are we already part of a movie?
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one thing about the grammys.
so if there was a hologram performance, are you sayng that that would have been MJ's cue to Return ?
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Thanks again for your post TS, if people still think he's dead or you are talking BS, then I have nothing more to say.
I tried http://www.thisisalsoit.com (http://www.thisisalsoit.com) today, but it said I needed a username and password. That's pretty interesting. :lol:
Why TIAI does redirect to this same thread ?
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Dear TS,
u've made my life a sense...i knew from the beginning that MJ "death" started somekind of new "Big Brother" programme but it will be something more than non of us has ever done before....THIS IS IT.....it is done....now we have to wait and see, because the best is yet to come...
To Michael:
Michael, every day i take a breath...i give this world LOVE...and i am crazy about your music, i hope u will still perform ....or at least u will find a musician to sing your new songs.....Love u....always.....
friends, please vote for Michael:
http://www.whopopular.com/Michael-Jackson (http://www.whopopular.com/Michael-Jackson)
Yvonne
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Thanks again for your post TS, if people still think he's dead or you are talking BS, then I have nothing more to say.
I tried http://www.thisisalsoit.com (http://www.thisisalsoit.com) today, but it said I needed a username and password. That's pretty interesting. :lol:
Why TIAI does redirect to this same thread ?
It does now, it didn't this afternoon.
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ooh!!!! all very exciting!!!
But i don't get the last part: if you need more evidence keep watching for the 9-9-09 update, can someone help me understand what is meant by this??Thanks
:oops: Same here :P I don't get what means the "9-9-09 update" part... :oops:
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TIAI, TMZ, I'm very very tired of this game.
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ooh!!!! all very exciting!!!
But i don't get the last part: if you need more evidence keep watching for the 9-9-09 update, can someone help me understand what is meant by this??Thanks
:oops: Same here :P I don't get what means the "9-9-09 update" part... :oops:
Hi,friends, maybe this link will help: (it is part nr 6 of oryginal TIAI revealed:
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1929&p=27570#p27570 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1929&p=27570#p27570)
and i think, after reading it that the date of MJ's come back depends on how many of us will be Soldiers of Army of Love, i think that MJ comes back when there will be 999 of soldeirs, so please, folks, call everyone to sign.......Easter Holidays are coming...let's help MJ comeback on time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yvonne
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Thanks again for your post TS, if people still think he's dead or you are talking BS, then I have nothing more to say.
I tried http://www.thisisalsoit.com (http://www.thisisalsoit.com) today, but it said I needed a username and password. That's pretty interesting. :lol:
Why TIAI does redirect to this same thread ?
It does now, it didn't this afternoon.
Lol, that's interesting.
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Thank you for the clarification of Paris's Grammy speech...I had a feeling there was something there but wasn't quite getting it. Along w/some of the others I'm not quite getting the 9/9/09 part at the end.
I don't need further convincing of the hoax, or that you are a genuine informer...I've read all your posts and it's obvious that you know what's going on. I am curious about who you are and where you have gotten the information, but it's just curiosity.
If Michael is out there somewhere reading this...You broke my heart when you "died", please don't do it again! Wish I could be more than a fan (in my dreams). BTW these are for you...
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=1 ... 6427198699 (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=137717&id=176427198699)
Excuse the RIP stuff...I'm not ready to declare to the world yet that I beLIEve...my husband would have me committed...seriously. Stay well and be safe.
L.O.V.E.
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ooh!!!! all very exciting!!!
But i don't get the last part: if you need more evidence keep watching for the 9-9-09 update, can someone help me understand what is meant by this??Thanks
:oops: Same here :P I don't get what means the "9-9-09 update" part... :oops:
Hi,friends, maybe this link will help: (it is part nr 6 of oryginal TIAI revealed:
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1929&p=27570#p27570 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1929&p=27570#p27570)
and i think, after reading it that the date of MJ's come back depends on how many of us will be Soldiers of Army of Love, i think that MJ comes back when there will be 999 of soldeirs, so please, folks, call everyone to sign.......Easter Holidays are coming...let's help MJ comeback on time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yvonne
You don't honestly believe this, do you?
MJ making his doing dependent on whether there are 999 people in a list somewhere in the web?
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Thank you TS. I am a firm believer, nothing can make me believe he's dead anymore. God Bless. 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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#1. 1998 / 3 = 666; turn 666 upside down (or add 333, the Dangerous formula) and you have 999 (9-9-09).
#2. 1998: add the first digit to the last three, 1 + 998 = 999.
#3. 9-9-09 is a catchy date, and easy to remember (like 6-6-06, and 7-7-07, etc).
#4. 9-9-09 is 77 days from the "death" on 6-25-09 (inclusive reckoning).
#5. 9-9-09 is 7 days from the funeral / "burial" on 9-3-09 (inclusive reckoning).
#6. The Dome Project = TII = Thriller II =(Thriller 2 film) was completed on 6-9-09.
#7. "This Is It" poster was posted on 9-9-09.
#8. "This Is It" movie opens on a Wednesday, 7 weeks after 9-9-09 (and closes 9 weeks after 9-9-09).
#9. Jermaine MJ Tribute press conference was in London on 9-9-09.
Bye, Yvonne
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TO GRACE:
you wrote:
You don't honestly believe this, do you?
MJ making his doing dependent on whether there are 999 people in a list somewhere in the web?[/quote]
my answer from part 6,
TS WROTE:
R27. “WHEN the Disciples Gathered Around Him …”
{http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2014:20&version=NKJV}
“However, WHEN the disciples gathered around him, he rose up and went into the city. And the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe.” (Acts 14:20, NKJV). As usual, not only was the quoted verse important, but also the context (previous verse): “Then Jews from Antioch and Iconium came there; and having persuaded the multitudes, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing him to be dead.”
Here again we have parallels, like with David: enemies trying to kill him, God saving him from death, yet they think that he is dead (like most think MJ is dead), and then a “resurrection” and return to public life (he rose up, etc).
Although many saw the parallels here, it seems that nobody noticed the key word “WHEN” (which is why I have emphasized it here). Do you want to see MJ return to public view? Of course, we all do! Then we need to “gather around him” by joining Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E. (see R28 & R39).
THESE WORDS ARE WRITTEN BY TS, ONLY MY INTERPRETATION OF NUMBER OF SOLDEIRS OF LOVE IS MINE, BUT ALREADY GAVE IN PREVIOUS POST WHAT NUMBER 999 MEANS,
BYE,
Yvonne
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Thank you TS for another brilliant update :D
I found something very interesting and appropriate regarding the importance of 999:-
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/f30 ... -6874.html (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/f30/true-meaning-666-999-mirrors-prception-6874.html)
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For TS:
Dear TS,
i was reading this side thinking (on the begining) that u r just a guy, who spends a lot of time, investigating MJ hoax. Good-i have no time, so it was good to look at youtube channel and your side to compare.
But when u gave the 3rd upadate, i read once againe most of your previous posts. I was shocked. I undestood much more...i opened most of your links....(the most interesting was eastern eggs)...
I read a chronology part from your nr 3 update again and realized....u are also a part of a game, because it is a game, isn't it? (chronology solved all my questions) haha, the best one i have ever taken a part in.....good job - marketing....i have also worked a few years in marketing...
wow...i really belive that it must have taken years to prepare everything, MJ has gotten a lot of time since his last world tour...i belive that in every country there is someone like u working on similar web page, u gave links to many of them...haha, but this one seems to be the biggest....so, i admire your work and friendship with Michael....
Tell him please, that the game is nice, but...not many of us can play it all the time....we must work, we have families and responsibilities...so there is no much time to spend to STUDY all the time....tell Micheal, that the game was scary on the beginning (when he "died"), fascinating (revealing the hoax) but when it takes too long...players can be exhausted and some could finish the game...
of course there is much more important things covering the hoax, i mean reasons why Michael "died" and the way he turned people on important (NWO< Illuminati, planet etc.) subjects is extreme...and he succeded....
but for me the worst thing in life is disappointment....we all here count on Michael.....don't let him disappoint us by not coming back......i believe he will. (this is obvious he is alive)...cause he LOVES us, and he can't comedown us, can he?
So dear friends, i advise u to re read previous posts wrote by TS, when u read them now, they will have clues u could't see before, because i also was reading it from word to word, but all we have to do is to read between the words and open links....TS is also involved in THIS IS IT!!!
Good job TS, for me the case is solved....i try to be good investigator, cause my sister's husband is a prosecutor....and i love Thillers....:):):):):)
Yvonne
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Thank you TS for another very very clear post!
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TS, Thanking you. All these dates and time zones etc makes my mind boggle. I always need to have a lie down afterwards.
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Oh, my! I was needing so badly to read you, TS! I know you/Michael and many others envolved in this hoax always watching us. It's like a huge connection of L.O.V.E. When I get scared and exhausted or I type somewhere on web "oh, how I miss TIAI updates! TIAI is a comfort, it's like taking a deep breath one more time..." then soon we are enlightened with another great update!
I must say we all here are so thankfull for you don't let us in the dark! Now things are gettin' really strange, we can feel the change is comming, but sometimes I just break down and cry. Now I've recharged my batteries.
Michael, we are all strongly connected with you. We feel your pains and sorrows. We feel your L.O.V.E and your light. I wanna say: take care, baby. I want you safe and bright. Love you from the bottom of my heart.
"you are my sunshine, my only sunshine,
you make me happy when skies are grey.
you'll never know dear, how much i love you,
please don't take my sunshine away"
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@TS
Ahhhhhhhh your update is so refreshing! We needed this a lot. THANK YOU! :)
I've got a couple of things to say who still hesitates about TIAI and TMZ! Guys, you need to read every each of the things that were written by TIAI (TS-STUDY). All of these people who believe in TIAI are NOT stupid or blind! We read and we understood why we need to trust TIAI! Pls read everything first VERY CAREFULLY and then decide!
And about TMZ; I've been always sure that TMZ is in on the hoax. It was so obvious but especially after their last clues that they had given to us, I became 100% sure of it! :) Like TIAI wrote, the best clue was the one where Murray went to FL :D he may or may not have accidentally killed! I was like :shock: when I first saw this. TMZ's confession that Murray didn't kill Michael :D And then Murray was seen outside the mausoleum, but not inside. He was seen only? That's how they had 15 pictures of him that day? C'mon it's like a PHOTOSHOOT of him :lol: Pose for me too Murray :D Nice shooting Mr "That Day and the other d... ummm" :lol:
And TMZ still keep this news/clue on the FIRST page for all of us to see! And yep they never said anything about the comments that hoax believers make. I'm one of them. I always make comments and they never wrote anything or said anything about the hoax :D The end of this adventure is too close. So pls try to understand what the message of Michael is and WHY HE DID THIS HOAX! Because when he gets back, he needs all of us! WE HAVE TO UNITE! God bless you all and God bless you too TS! :)
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I agree it seems like to me that TMZ is in on it...they were the first to report the "death" before the hospital declared it, and their clues stand out. I actually find myself laughing at some of their comments...
"Craziest case we've ever seen ... and it hasn't even begun."
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/conrad-mu ... onference/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-involuntary-manslaughter-da-news-conference/)
"The plot thickens."
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/dr-conrad ... onference/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-lapd-d-a-arraignment-news-conference/)
Those two were particularly funny to me that day.
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Precise make.beLIEve.
Nothing we did not read already at other sources.
All right, Grace, let me tell you something: On November 5th, a date that TIAI predicted, Evan Chandler committed suicide.On February 5th, a date that TIAI predicted, the media and the LAPD or whatever were buzzing about Conrad Murray. On MLK Day, a date that TIAI predicted, the Jacksons put up that Tweet. You seem to think that TIAI is a scam or something to do with TMZ, yet those events happened on those dates.Does that mean that Evan Chandler took his own life for a scam? Does that mean that the LAPD and DA office and the Jacksons are all part of a scam, too? I wish you stop being so hasty to ridicule others for something that is obviously not a scam, seeing as important events actually happen on these dates.
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Thanks for another update TS! When I typed in Thisisalsoit.com tonight it said "Access Denied" That scared me! I thought my husband had found out about me visiting this site and had figured out a way to keep me from it! After the 3rd try it worked! Still don't know why it gave me that message. Anyways, glad to be able to read the update now.
Grace wrote:
Precise make.beLIEve.
Nothing we did not read already at other sources.
All right, Grace, let me tell you something: On November 5th, a date that TIAI predicted, Evan Chandler committed suicide.On February 5th, a date that TIAI predicted, the media and the LAPD or whatever were buzzing about Conrad Murray. On MLK Day, a date that TIAI predicted, the Jacksons put up that Tweet. You seem to think that TIAI is a scam or something to do with TMZ, yet those events happened on those dates.Does that mean that Evan Chandler took his own life for a scam? Does that mean that the LAPD and DA office and the Jacksons are all part of a scam, too? I wish you stop being so hasty to ridicule others for something that is obviously not a scam, seeing as important events actually happen on these dates.
@PinkTopaz Very well put!!
Looking forward to Monday and what more laughs it will bring! CHEERS!
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Thanks for the update, TS!
i'm just as confused as some of us abt the 09-09-2009 update. are you referring to any of the posts TMZ made that day? :?:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/09/michael-j ... y-lawyers/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/09/michael-jackson-wrongful-death-family-conrad-murray-lawyers/)
http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/09/the-jacks ... ome-works/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/09/the-jackson-kids-education-home-works/)
http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/09/jermaine- ... ute-video/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/09/jermaine-jackson-mary-j-blige-michael-jackson-tribute-video/)
http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/10/neverland ... mark-move/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/10/neverland-owners-make-trademark-move/) (time listed as 1.50am so i guess it's still Sept 9 in CA.)
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Thanks so much for the update TS, they always make me smile.
Although I do not need anymore evidence, it has been clear to me that MJ is ALIVE for about 6 months now, I eagerly await the 9/9/09 update. The best is yet to come! Bring it on! I hope that whatever and wherever MJ is and doing I hope he is happy, safe and I'm sure he is aware that he is L.O.V.E.D by us, his friends and his family, WE WILL BE THERE! whenever that may be. Proud to be a solider in MJ'S Army of L.O.V.E. :D :D
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PinkTopaz, Godhaschosenmj, thank you for taking the time.
I am not ridiculing. This is a misunderstanding.
I am stating that I am observing that there is a tremendous and very well thought through effort being executed to make believe in a certain direction. This is a brilliant writer and I acknowledge very much his/her abilities. He/she keeps in addition a good summary of the main events we were lucky enough to have witnessed.
I read what is being said but I am not following this emergency exit. That's all.
I have seen too much already.
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I eagerly await the 9/9/09 update.
What IS the 9/9/09 update? Some of us in this thread aren't understanding, and I don't think it's been explained yet. Clearly some of us understand...please enlighten those of us who don't. Thanks!
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I am really tired of this... But i still can't give up. I won't be able to stay updated to the hoax, i'm gonna have a very important exam and my family won't let me spend hours investigating. Please Michael, bring an end to this, i feel i'm going insane. People call me retard for believing you're alive. I can't take it for much longer... And i just can't let you go. Somehow i feel all this is coming to an end, i hope i'm right, and this will be a happy ending. I love you more than you could ever imagine.
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In points 3-2 and 3-3 TS says that the posting dates and times are important. This third update was posted on February 7th at 2:07. Therefore 02-07 and 02:07. So adding each part gives two 9’s and a third one is that there are 9 points in this 3rd update. Therefore 999. I guess the 090909 update will be on March 9.
Point 3-3 The explanation about subtracting three hours from TMZ to get CA time, is in 3-3. 333? Or is that just a coincidence?
Point 3-4 is about the TMZ clue from 01-25-2010 regarding a Valentine’s Day performance. This is from TMZ so I believe does have something to do with the hoax whether TIAI is real or not. Valentine’s Day is all about love. Valentine’s Day this year is also the start of the Chinese New Year - the year of the Tiger. The last year of the Tiger was in 1998. Does that mean anything?
Point 3-7 Long and Short?
31 October (halloween) and 31 January Grammy’s are 3 months apart.
Jan 18, + 1 week to Jan 25 +2 weeks to Feb 8. That’s 3 weeks.
Point 3-8 Do You Need More Evidence?
Is that question just about hoax followers needing more evidence for either the hoax or TIAI? Will we see this question in relation to Dr Murray?
Okay TS. I’m curious- so I’ll keep following this.
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Thank you TS !
No I don't need any more evidence !
I'm absolutely certain . Although a new post from you is always needed.
I can't say why but now lately and especially after your newest post ,
I have the feeling that in some way , we must be close to the end !
Is there anyone else who has that sense ?
And about the hologram at the Grammys ( I had totally forgot it :o )
Does that means that MJ would be that hologram but the change of the plans ( return) postponed the "hologram" tribute too??? Am I right or I miss something ???
Anyway I need my KING back but most of all I need him to be safe and strong!
God bless you Michael ! I'm here for you !
God bless you and the family ...TS !
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What now? :cry:
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PinkTopaz, Godhaschosenmj, thank you for taking the time.
I am not ridiculing. This is a misunderstanding.
I am stating that I am observing that there is a tremendous and very well thought through effort being executed to make believe in a certain direction. This is a brilliant writer and I acknowledge very much his/her abilities. He/she keeps in addition a good summary of the main events we were lucky enough to have witnessed.
I read what is being said but I am not following this emergency exit. That's all.
I have seen too much already.
It is not a darn "emergency exit"! No one is afraid here, no one is being bent to do anything anyone else wants, all TIAI has done (if you don't believe that they're giving real clues) is give very interesting information that is worth thinking about whether it's true or not! You said before how people shouldn't just sit and believe the media- well, TIAI says that, too! And I can't understand you about the "make believe", but I will say: What would be the point of that?! Who would waste months doing this for nothing? Why use the Book of Life, the Holy Bible? I wish you could see that this is most likely Michael's message.
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In points 3-2 and 3-3 TS says that the posting dates and times are important. This third update was posted on February 7th at 2:07. Therefore 02-07 and 02:07. So adding each part gives two 9’s and a third one is that there are 9 points in this 3rd update. Therefore 999. I guess the 090909 update will be on March 9.
Maybe I'm dense, but I'm still not understanding the number stuff (I'm better w/visuals rather than numbers/calculations), but thanks for explaining. In other words, I don't understand how 999=March 9 (03/09/10=09/09/09). I noticed that TINI now redirects to your post, so you must be on the right track somewhere...lol Anyway, I guess I'll look forward to the 09/09/09 update on 3/9/10...lol
BTW the best is yet to come? I hope so, because today was terrible. Still hoping, still beLIEving, but must admit I'm a little shaky after today...maybe I need a pep talk.
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I am also tired of this game, there are too many emotions and you are playing on all of them, I say enough already !!!
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Pink.. just calm down.. she is a believer too, you shouldn't talk to her in that way just because she is not following TIAI/STUDY the way you do.. please.. to have some respect never killed nobody. I still don't have the power or the aknowledgment or whatever to prove to myself and to others the differences between a coincidence and a prediction when it reffers to someonelse like TS, and let me tell you that I really don't want to see comments like yours after mine, because not everybody thinks and understand the things the way you do and, for give me, but you will have to live with that... I'm so tired of bashing comments!! it is not great at all to become a member of a forum wher you discuss just to find out that a lot of people is like you, being rude and not allowing other to think by themself... so please.. calm down.
TS thanks for posting a new update, I'm very bussy with my studies and when I read a post of you I find myself with some kind of principal points that is better for me to know.. so thanks.
the only thing I just don't get is the conection of TS mentioning Murray and TMZ and then that tmz post thing on the Feb 5... I mean.. I don't see any date prediction in there, just coincidential names... names that most of us have wrote together in the same paragraph more than 3 times in different post... so, I won't believe that that was a prediction, sorry for the TIAI believers, don't get mad, is just that if he indeed mention feb 5, i just missed it! ... And just for being clear.. I'm not saying with this that I don't believe in TS at all.. no.. I'm just saying that I didn't get that part.
Lots of L.O.V.E
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Pink.. just calm down.. she is a believer too, you shouldn't talk to her in that way just because she is not following TIAI/STUDY the way you do.. please.. to have some respect never killed nobody. I still don't have the power or the aknowledgment or whatever to prove to myself and to others the differences between a coincidence and a prediction when it reffers to someonelse like TS, and let me tell you that I really don't want to see comments like yours after mine, because not everybody thinks and understand the things the way you do and, for give me, but you will have to live with that... I'm so tired of bashing comments!! it is not great at all to become a member of a forum wher you discuss just to find out that a lot of people is like you, being rude and not allowing other to think by themself... so please.. calm down.
TS thanks for posting a new update, I'm very bussy with my studies and when I read a post of you I find myself with some kind of principal points that is better for me to know.. so thanks.
the only thing I just don't get is the conection of TS mentioning Murray and TMZ and then that tmz post thing on the Feb 5... I mean.. I don't see any date prediction in there, just coincidential names... names that most of us have wrote together in the same paragraph more than 3 times in different post... so, I won't believe that that was a prediction, sorry for the TIAI believers, don't get mad, is just that if he indeed mention feb 5, i just missed it! ... And just for being clear.. I'm not saying with this that I don't believe in TS at all.. no.. I'm just saying that I didn't get that part.
Lots of L.O.V.E
AAaahh, don't think I'm gonna shriek at you, I'm not.. I didn't mean to bash ol' Grace, I was just kind of in one of those bitter moods today where stuff bugs me easily, partly because I was expecting to see people "losing hope" here because of today's Murray events and I guess I maybe shouldn't type when I'm like that.. However, I do like to back up what I think is right, but anyhoo .. Soooorryy..
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PinkTopaz, it's ok, we are having dense times and they will get even more loaded.
Taking a break once in a while will do good to everybody.
Let's follow what Michael prepared as a storybook - I am afraid I will need many breaks :lol:
It was breathtaking yesterday - I am waiting so for the movie afterwards...
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I am also tired of this game, there are too many emotions and you are playing on all of them, I say enough already !!!
Ditto...I haven't cried this much as I did today in months. I just wish the whole thing had never happened...It's been one heck of a roller coaster ride of emotions and confusion from the beginning. I just want it to be over...stop the ride I want to get off.
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I am also tired of this game, there are too many emotions and you are playing on all of them, I say enough already !!!
Ditto...I haven't cried this much as I did today in months.
Er, I thought it was exciting.. why so upset?
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In points 3-2 and 3-3 TS says that the posting dates and times are important. This third update was posted on February 7th at 2:07. Therefore 02-07 and 02:07. So adding each part gives two 9’s and a third one is that there are 9 points in this 3rd update. Therefore 999. I guess the 090909 update will be on March 9.
Maybe I'm dense, but I'm still not understanding the number stuff (I'm better w/visuals rather than numbers/calculations), but thanks for explaining. In other words, I don't understand how 999=March 9 (03/09/10=09/09/09). I noticed that TINI now redirects to your post, so you must be on the right track somewhere...lol Anyway, I guess I'll look forward to the 09/09/09 update on 3/9/10...lol
BTW the best is yet to come? I hope so, because today was terrible. Still hoping, still beLIEving, but must admit I'm a little shaky after today...maybe I need a pep talk.
i understand that 09/09/09 is important in the prediction - do you think it may be the Coroner's Report??? - look at the last page (with hair sample examination):
- the date at the bottom says 09/09/09 :shock: :o is this it :shock:
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I am also tired of this game, there are too many emotions and you are playing on all of them, I say enough already !!!
Ditto...I haven't cried this much as I did today in months.
Er, I thought it was exciting.. why so upset?
Everything that happened today re: Murray, coroner's report, etc. Too emotionally draining...it's getting to be too much.
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Guys TS is obviously reading this thread to see we are getting it as this is the 2nd time I have checked it in about an hour and its changed again to another post! :D :D :D
I have a theory too about the numbers related to TS's 3rd Update which came to me last night in bed!!!! but will post it later as I am in the middle of getting dinner cooked etc for the kiddies.
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In points 3-2 and 3-3 TS says that the posting dates and times are important. This third update was posted on February 7th at 2:07. Therefore 02-07 and 02:07. So adding each part gives two 9’s and a third one is that there are 9 points in this 3rd update. Therefore 999. I guess the 090909 update will be on March 9.
Maybe I'm dense, but I'm still not understanding the number stuff (I'm better w/visuals rather than numbers/calculations), but thanks for explaining. In other words, I don't understand how 999=March 9 (03/09/10=09/09/09). I noticed that TINI now redirects to your post, so you must be on the right track somewhere...lol Anyway, I guess I'll look forward to the 09/09/09 update on 3/9/10...lol
BTW the best is yet to come? I hope so, because today was terrible. Still hoping, still beLIEving, but must admit I'm a little shaky after today...maybe I need a pep talk.
i understand that 09/09/09 is important in the prediction - do you think it may be the Coroner's Report??? - look at the last page (with hair sample examination):
- the date at the bottom says 09/09/09 :shock: :o is this it :shock:
now is redirecting to this post!
I'm feeling like we are all playing CLUE.. you know? going from room to room, guessing who did what, where, with wich weapon... but maybe here it is more like.. we know who.. still need to find when, and where.. we already know the way (or we believe we know it!)
:s
lots of L.O.V.E
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In points 3-2 and 3-3 TS says that the posting dates and times are important. This third update was posted on February 7th at 2:07. Therefore 02-07 and 02:07. So adding each part gives two 9’s and a third one is that there are 9 points in this 3rd update. Therefore 999. I guess the 090909 update will be on March 9.
Maybe I'm dense, but I'm still not understanding the number stuff (I'm better w/visuals rather than numbers/calculations), but thanks for explaining. In other words, I don't understand how 999=March 9 (03/09/10=09/09/09). I noticed that TINI now redirects to your post, so you must be on the right track somewhere...lol Anyway, I guess I'll look forward to the 09/09/09 update on 3/9/10...lol
BTW the best is yet to come? I hope so, because today was terrible. Still hoping, still beLIEving, but must admit I'm a little shaky after today...maybe I need a pep talk.
i understand that 09/09/09 is important in the prediction - do you think it may be the Coroner's Report??? - look at the last page (with hair sample examination):
- the date at the bottom says 09/09/09 :shock: :o is this it :shock:
now is redirecting to this post!
I'm feeling like we are all playing CLUE.. you know? going from room to room, guessing who did what, where, with wich weapon... but maybe here it is more like.. we know who.. still need to find when, and where.. we already know the way (or we believe we know it!)
:s
lots of L.O.V.E
Totally weird...okay I'm back...also w/the help of a good friend who reminded me of a lot of clues and showed a couple of interesting photos...check these out, if you haven't already...
http://twitpic.com/1251vu (http://twitpic.com/1251vu)
http://twitpic.com/1252i1 (http://twitpic.com/1252i1)
The question is...who is Conrad Murray??? haha
MJ you're a genius...*mwah*
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For those who lost hope seeing Murray charged, this is another kind of prediction regarding what could happen next (credit to sephia71 from michaeljacksonhoax.lefora):
"it will never go to trial anyway. i'm 90% positive he's going to take a plea deal [bargain]. the max he can get is 4 years. if it goes to trial they will need a change of venue [good luck with that!]. for a 4 year sentence they will whittle it down to 2 years house arrest, 2 years probation/community service, with a hefty fine and limit his practice priviledges. the jacksons will then take him to civil court for wrongful death suit and be awarded a lump sum paid out by his malpractice insurance. the insurance probably won't cover the total amount paid out, so they'll sue him for the difference personally [which he'll file bankruptcy on of course because he has no assets]. now we know why nothing was in his name.[clever!]
if he goes to jail, the inmates will kill him.[i'm not even exaggerating on that!]. that's why the lawyers were so eager for him to surrender and had bond ready. they don't want him in there with the other inmates. since the judge agreed to bond [thinking he's not a flight risk], they must already be talking plea deal. it's an involuntary manslaughter case. they aren't going to spend millions of dollars on a trial with only a 4 year sentence. what they will do is make a "poster child" out of murray. if you thought naomi campbell picking up trash was as punishment for her brush with the law was amusing, hold on to your seat belts for what they will make murray do!
i think this is very real. but i also think they have to go through the steps to keep mj hidden. this also signals to me that he's not coming out of hiding either. all i can say is, murray must have been paid a king's ransom to suffer like this. 75,000 bond? yeah wonder who fronted that? [smile]"
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For those who lost hope seeing Murray charged, this is another kind of prediction regarding what could happen next (credit to sephia71 from michaeljacksonhoax.lefora):
"it will never go to trial anyway. i'm 90% positive he's going to take a plea deal [bargain]. the max he can get is 4 years. if it goes to trial they will need a change of venue [good luck with that!]. for a 4 year sentence they will whittle it down to 2 years house arrest, 2 years probation/community service, with a hefty fine and limit his practice priviledges. the jacksons will then take him to civil court for wrongful death suit and be awarded a lump sum paid out by his malpractice insurance. the insurance probably won't cover the total amount paid out, so they'll sue him for the difference personally [which he'll file bankruptcy on of course because he has no assets]. now we know why nothing was in his name.[clever!]
if he goes to jail, the inmates will kill him.[i'm not even exaggerating on that!]. that's why the lawyers were so eager for him to surrender and had bond ready. they don't want him in there with the other inmates. since the judge agreed to bond [thinking he's not a flight risk], they must already be talking plea deal. it's an involuntary manslaughter case. they aren't going to spend millions of dollars on a trial with only a 4 year sentence. what they will do is make a "poster child" out of murray. if you thought naomi campbell picking up trash was as punishment for her brush with the law was amusing, hold on to your seat belts for what they will make murray do!
i think this is very real. but i also think they have to go through the steps to keep mj hidden. this also signals to me that he's not coming out of hiding either. all i can say is, murray must have been paid a king's ransom to suffer like this. 75,000 bond? yeah wonder who fronted that? [smile]"
The problem I have w/that theory is where's the BAM? What's the point...to screw a guy over (to possibly go to jail and be killed, as was said) and hide forever? Doesn't sound like MJ to me. How is this "The Greatest Demonstration for Freedom"? I think he has to come back at some point, in order to expose the media/government corruption and conspiracy he's been speaking (and singing) about all these years. Otherwise it seems like there's no point to this.
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The Jackson's are given a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to collect and record all errors, failures, mistakes, mishaps and mistreatments on purpose.
All evidences can be stored and put together - and the movie made from these recordings will really get the jaws go south - in order to proof that the medical system, the justice system, the media system, the mindset system, the government and whoever may be involved in the current (and 1993/2005) errors and sloppynesses, that all of them were abused and are maloriented /terribly organized - at least in MJ's case and currently in Murray's case.
Those who were the hurters then still hurt today and they all went into the trap.
I am bowing for Doc Murray - gee, this man has a standing, what an actor.
Michael always chose the best. :D
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Thanks for posting another update, TS! :)
Now we're awaiting (THE) Easter-Egg(s).....! :D
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The Jackson's are given a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to collect and record all errors, failures, mistakes, mishaps and mistreatments on purpose.
All evidences can be stored and put together - and the movie made from these recordings will really get the jaws go south - in order to proof that the medical system, the justice system, the media system, the mindset system, the government and whoever may be involved in the current (and 1993/2005) errors and sloppynesses, that all of them were abused and are maloriented /terribly organized - at least in MJ's case and currently in Murray's case.
Could this be what that Murray documentary they're recording could be for? hmmm....
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@tklwin
OMG.. I saw the pic of Murray (the apparently real one) and the other link was taking some time.. but I though it was just another picture of him.. when it finally opened I was like.. WTH???!! What is he doing there!??
lol... then I laughed.. you get me stunned with just a picture :)
Lots of L.O.V.E!
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For those who lost hope seeing Murray charged, this is another kind of prediction regarding what could happen next (credit to sephia71 from michaeljacksonhoax.lefora):
"it will never go to trial anyway. i'm 90% positive he's going to take a plea deal [bargain]. the max he can get is 4 years. if it goes to trial they will need a change of venue [good luck with that!]. for a 4 year sentence they will whittle it down to 2 years house arrest, 2 years probation/community service, with a hefty fine and limit his practice priviledges. the jacksons will then take him to civil court for wrongful death suit and be awarded a lump sum paid out by his malpractice insurance. the insurance probably won't cover the total amount paid out, so they'll sue him for the difference personally [which he'll file bankruptcy on of course because he has no assets]. now we know why nothing was in his name.[clever!]
if he goes to jail, the inmates will kill him.[i'm not even exaggerating on that!]. that's why the lawyers were so eager for him to surrender and had bond ready. they don't want him in there with the other inmates. since the judge agreed to bond [thinking he's not a flight risk], they must already be talking plea deal. it's an involuntary manslaughter case. they aren't going to spend millions of dollars on a trial with only a 4 year sentence. what they will do is make a "poster child" out of murray. if you thought naomi campbell picking up trash was as punishment for her brush with the law was amusing, hold on to your seat belts for what they will make murray do!
i think this is very real. but i also think they have to go through the steps to keep mj hidden. this also signals to me that he's not coming out of hiding either. all i can say is, murray must have been paid a king's ransom to suffer like this. 75,000 bond? yeah wonder who fronted that? [smile]"
The problem I have w/that theory is where's the BAM? What's the point...to screw a guy over (to possibly go to jail and be killed, as was said) and hide forever? Doesn't sound like MJ to me. How is this "The Greatest Demonstration for Freedom"? I think he has to come back at some point, in order to expose the media/government corruption and conspiracy he's been speaking (and singing) about all these years. Otherwise it seems like there's no point to this.
It could be the start of that demonstration...it could show how an innocent man's life (remember he pleaded notguilty) can be distroied (even though he could be aquited, his immage, his name are dammadged forever); and in the end we should understand how important is not to jump to conclusions, to think twice before considerring someone a bad person, or (maybe the most important) not to spread a bad oppinion about someone unless we are really, really convinced about that thing. I can't understand why we are able to understand those things when some dear person is involved in such a situation, but in the next minute we can repeat the exact same mistakes, judging another person who could face a similar situation. Maybe (I hope) this case will turn to be a lesson for every body to understand...with love.
*EDIT Well, I see Grace explained it perfectly...there is where I'm comming from too :)
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For those who lost hope seeing Murray charged, this is another kind of prediction regarding what could happen next (credit to sephia71 from michaeljacksonhoax.lefora):
"it will never go to trial anyway. i'm 90% positive he's going to take a plea deal [bargain]. the max he can get is 4 years. if it goes to trial they will need a change of venue [good luck with that!]. for a 4 year sentence they will whittle it down to 2 years house arrest, 2 years probation/community service, with a hefty fine and limit his practice priviledges. the jacksons will then take him to civil court for wrongful death suit and be awarded a lump sum paid out by his malpractice insurance. the insurance probably won't cover the total amount paid out, so they'll sue him for the difference personally [which he'll file bankruptcy on of course because he has no assets]. now we know why nothing was in his name.[clever!]
if he goes to jail, the inmates will kill him.[i'm not even exaggerating on that!]. that's why the lawyers were so eager for him to surrender and had bond ready. they don't want him in there with the other inmates. since the judge agreed to bond [thinking he's not a flight risk], they must already be talking plea deal. it's an involuntary manslaughter case. they aren't going to spend millions of dollars on a trial with only a 4 year sentence. what they will do is make a "poster child" out of murray. if you thought naomi campbell picking up trash was as punishment for her brush with the law was amusing, hold on to your seat belts for what they will make murray do!
i think this is very real. but i also think they have to go through the steps to keep mj hidden. this also signals to me that he's not coming out of hiding either. all i can say is, murray must have been paid a king's ransom to suffer like this. 75,000 bond? yeah wonder who fronted that? [smile]"
The problem I have w/that theory is where's the BAM? What's the point...to screw a guy over (to possibly go to jail and be killed, as was said) and hide forever? Doesn't sound like MJ to me. How is this "The Greatest Demonstration for Freedom"? I think he has to come back at some point, in order to expose the media/government corruption and conspiracy he's been speaking (and singing) about all these years. Otherwise it seems like there's no point to this.
I agree. The problem also if Mj doesn't come back he has left the world who think he is dead believing he died drug addicted & in debt - I know that sounds really bad (of course we know he is not). I just can't imagine he would want that. If he wanted to disappear he would have faked his death very differently and seamlessly and not left all the clues for us.....no-one would be any the wiser......I believe Mj will be back and for a VERY good reason.....not just for the BAM. It's just up to him...no-one else is in control of when he returns.
Re-directed again!!! :D
Yep redirected again
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OK, so before anybody else states the next important dates, my best guess is
(and the winnnnnner is:)
02/12
03/01 - 06
03/17
03/31
timeline until Jan 2011 which could be an important month.
Nothing I know or sucked out of a vivid imagination.
Apparent in known sources we all have seen.
Really important? Well, we'll see if yes or no.
But given the detailed artwork we have witnessed to date, I would assume yes.
But don't tell me I predicted or sb else predicted because I am just citing what is there.
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In case anyone has not read TIAI Update #2 yet, here is the link for that: {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965}. And here is a link for the whole series {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}.
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I would like to thank TS for the exciting new update!
Valuable discussions and suggestions, thank you! ;)
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Keep the faith and beLIEeve this is my plan:) MJ4Ever! L.O.V.E
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For those who lost hope seeing Murray charged, this is another kind of prediction regarding what could happen next (credit to sephia71 from michaeljacksonhoax.lefora):
"it will never go to trial anyway. i'm 90% positive he's going to take a plea deal [bargain]. the max he can get is 4 years. if it goes to trial they will need a change of venue [good luck with that!]. for a 4 year sentence they will whittle it down to 2 years house arrest, 2 years probation/community service, with a hefty fine and limit his practice priviledges. the jacksons will then take him to civil court for wrongful death suit and be awarded a lump sum paid out by his malpractice insurance. the insurance probably won't cover the total amount paid out, so they'll sue him for the difference personally [which he'll file bankruptcy on of course because he has no assets]. now we know why nothing was in his name.[clever!]
if he goes to jail, the inmates will kill him.[i'm not even exaggerating on that!]. that's why the lawyers were so eager for him to surrender and had bond ready. they don't want him in there with the other inmates. since the judge agreed to bond [thinking he's not a flight risk], they must already be talking plea deal. it's an involuntary manslaughter case. they aren't going to spend millions of dollars on a trial with only a 4 year sentence. what they will do is make a "poster child" out of murray. if you thought naomi campbell picking up trash was as punishment for her brush with the law was amusing, hold on to your seat belts for what they will make murray do!
i think this is very real. but i also think they have to go through the steps to keep mj hidden. this also signals to me that he's not coming out of hiding either. all i can say is, murray must have been paid a king's ransom to suffer like this. 75,000 bond? yeah wonder who fronted that? [smile]"
The problem I have w/that theory is where's the BAM? What's the point...to screw a guy over (to possibly go to jail and be killed, as was said) and hide forever? Doesn't sound like MJ to me. How is this "The Greatest Demonstration for Freedom"? I think he has to come back at some point, in order to expose the media/government corruption and conspiracy he's been speaking (and singing) about all these years. Otherwise it seems like there's no point to this.
I agree. The problem also if Mj doesn't come back he has left the world who think he is dead believing he died drug addicted & in debt - I know that sounds really bad (of course we know he is not). I just can't imagine he would want that. If he wanted to disappear he would have faked his death very differently and seamlessly and not left all the clues for us.....no-one would be any the wiser......I believe Mj will be back and for a VERY good reason.....not just for the BAM. It's just up to him...no-one else is in control of when he returns.
Re-directed again!!! :D
Yep redirected again
Patiance, patiance my friends...the story didn't come to an end yet. There must be a lesson to be learned finally. The things are not always what they seam to be, so let's see what will happen next. :)
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Thanks TS. You know we have all been waiting and your update was very informative. Looks like there are more interesting things to unfold, and we are all waiting..........in excitement and anxiously too.
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In points 3-2 and 3-3 TS says that the posting dates and times are important. This third update was posted on February 7th at 2:07. Therefore 02-07 and 02:07. So adding each part gives two 9’s and a third one is that there are 9 points in this 3rd update. Therefore 999. I guess the 090909 update will be on March 9.
Maybe I'm dense, but I'm still not understanding the number stuff (I'm better w/visuals rather than numbers/calculations), but thanks for explaining. In other words, I don't understand how 999=March 9 (03/09/10=09/09/09). I noticed that TINI now redirects to your post, so you must be on the right track somewhere...lol Anyway, I guess I'll look forward to the 09/09/09 update on 3/9/10...lol
BTW the best is yet to come? I hope so, because today was terrible. Still hoping, still beLIEving, but must admit I'm a little shaky after today...maybe I need a pep talk.
i understand that 09/09/09 is important in the prediction - do you think it may be the Coroner's Report??? - look at the last page (with hair sample examination):
- the date at the bottom says 09/09/09 :shock: :o is this it :shock:
OMG!!! i'm so glad u found what 09/09/09 referred to, ForstAMoon! hair sample?? maybe they're gonna say that the DNA from the hair sample doesn't match MJ's DNA?? that'll just rock the world!!!
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For those who lost hope seeing Murray charged, this is another kind of prediction regarding what could happen next (credit to sephia71 from michaeljacksonhoax.lefora):
"it will never go to trial anyway. i'm 90% positive he's going to take a plea deal [bargain]. the max he can get is 4 years. if it goes to trial they will need a change of venue [good luck with that!]. for a 4 year sentence they will whittle it down to 2 years house arrest, 2 years probation/community service, with a hefty fine and limit his practice priviledges. the jacksons will then take him to civil court for wrongful death suit and be awarded a lump sum paid out by his malpractice insurance. the insurance probably won't cover the total amount paid out, so they'll sue him for the difference personally [which he'll file bankruptcy on of course because he has no assets]. now we know why nothing was in his name.[clever!]
if he goes to jail, the inmates will kill him.[i'm not even exaggerating on that!]. that's why the lawyers were so eager for him to surrender and had bond ready. they don't want him in there with the other inmates. since the judge agreed to bond [thinking he's not a flight risk], they must already be talking plea deal. it's an involuntary manslaughter case. they aren't going to spend millions of dollars on a trial with only a 4 year sentence. what they will do is make a "poster child" out of murray. if you thought naomi campbell picking up trash was as punishment for her brush with the law was amusing, hold on to your seat belts for what they will make murray do!
i think this is very real. but i also think they have to go through the steps to keep mj hidden. this also signals to me that he's not coming out of hiding either. all i can say is, murray must have been paid a king's ransom to suffer like this. 75,000 bond? yeah wonder who fronted that? [smile]"
The problem I have w/that theory is where's the BAM? What's the point...to screw a guy over (to possibly go to jail and be killed, as was said) and hide forever? Doesn't sound like MJ to me. How is this "The Greatest Demonstration for Freedom"? I think he has to come back at some point, in order to expose the media/government corruption and conspiracy he's been speaking (and singing) about all these years. Otherwise it seems like there's no point to this.
It could be the start of that demonstration...it could show how an innocent man's life (remember he pleaded notguilty) can be distroied (even though he could be aquited, his immage, his name are dammadged forever); and in the end we should understand how important is not to jump to conclusions, to think twice before considerring someone a bad person, or (maybe the most important) not to spread a bad oppinion about someone unless we are really, really convinced about that thing. I can't understand why we are able to understand those things when some dear person is involved in such a situation, but in the next minute we can repeat the exact same mistakes, judging another person who could face a similar situation. Maybe (I hope) this case will turn to be a lesson for every body to understand...with love.
*EDIT Well, I see Grace explained it perfectly...there is where I'm comming from too :)
I can see how we are learning that lesson now, but the rest of the world thinks this is real and that he's dead, so how does the rest of the world learn the lesson? How does he ultimately get vindication? We just watch it happen again and learn from it, just us? If it goes down that way then those who are the problem (corrupted media/government/everything) aren't going to learn the lesson, that's for sure. How does that make a difference? I'm sorry, but I will be really disappointed if this is all there is to it...just to watch it happen again to someone else, and then happen again to someone else (since no one else learned the lesson), and then again and again, etc. Doesn't make sense. I think he will come back eventually to expose this corruption to the world...not saying I have any idea of when or how, but I think he will eventually...all the clues and messages (including TIAI) seem to point to him coming back at some point (at least for me). Besides, according to Joe Jackson's publicist he loves and misses the fans ;) ...have you all seen this? I doubt she was talking about Joe...
http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/mic ... _talks.php (http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/michael_jackson/x17_xclusive_joe_jackson_talks.php)
L.O.V.E
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Good remark about the last page of the coroner's report.
There is more to the report than just this date. And there's more that happened that day than this date appearing on a page.
The bloody T-Shirt picture was published on 09/09/09 on radaronline.com - remember? The one with the 3.99 price tag. Originally this picture however dates from 08/06/09 (as the picture properties revealed).
09/09/09 was also the day when the kids were said to continue school at home.
It was the day that Mary J. Blige supposedly (on TMZ) denied her contribution and Chris Brown finally refused to starr at the Vienna tribute.
It was also the day Janet Jackson was said to open the VMAs with a tribute to Michael.
And it was the day TMZ reported about a potential "wrongful death" lawsuit by the family against Doc Murray.
;-)
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For those who lost hope seeing Murray charged, this is another kind of prediction regarding what could happen next (credit to sephia71 from michaeljacksonhoax.lefora):
"it will never go to trial anyway. i'm 90% positive he's going to take a plea deal [bargain]. the max he can get is 4 years. if it goes to trial they will need a change of venue [good luck with that!]. for a 4 year sentence they will whittle it down to 2 years house arrest, 2 years probation/community service, with a hefty fine and limit his practice priviledges. the jacksons will then take him to civil court for wrongful death suit and be awarded a lump sum paid out by his malpractice insurance. the insurance probably won't cover the total amount paid out, so they'll sue him for the difference personally [which he'll file bankruptcy on of course because he has no assets]. now we know why nothing was in his name.[clever!]
if he goes to jail, the inmates will kill him.[i'm not even exaggerating on that!]. that's why the lawyers were so eager for him to surrender and had bond ready. they don't want him in there with the other inmates. since the judge agreed to bond [thinking he's not a flight risk], they must already be talking plea deal. it's an involuntary manslaughter case. they aren't going to spend millions of dollars on a trial with only a 4 year sentence. what they will do is make a "poster child" out of murray. if you thought naomi campbell picking up trash was as punishment for her brush with the law was amusing, hold on to your seat belts for what they will make murray do!
i think this is very real. but i also think they have to go through the steps to keep mj hidden. this also signals to me that he's not coming out of hiding either. all i can say is, murray must have been paid a king's ransom to suffer like this. 75,000 bond? yeah wonder who fronted that? [smile]"
The problem I have w/that theory is where's the BAM? What's the point...to screw a guy over (to possibly go to jail and be killed, as was said) and hide forever? Doesn't sound like MJ to me. How is this "The Greatest Demonstration for Freedom"? I think he has to come back at some point, in order to expose the media/government corruption and conspiracy he's been speaking (and singing) about all these years. Otherwise it seems like there's no point to this.
I agree. The problem also if Mj doesn't come back he has left the world who think he is dead believing he died drug addicted & in debt - I know that sounds really bad (of course we know he is not). I just can't imagine he would want that. If he wanted to disappear he would have faked his death very differently and seamlessly and not left all the clues for us.....no-one would be any the wiser......I believe Mj will be back and for a VERY good reason.....not just for the BAM. It's just up to him...no-one else is in control of when he returns.
Re-directed again!!! :D
Yep redirected again
I totally agree...although I'm not getting a different redirect from yesterday...?
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In points 3-2 and 3-3 TS says that the posting dates and times are important. This third update was posted on February 7th at 2:07. Therefore 02-07 and 02:07. So adding each part gives two 9’s and a third one is that there are 9 points in this 3rd update. Therefore 999. I guess the 090909 update will be on March 9.
Maybe I'm dense, but I'm still not understanding the number stuff (I'm better w/visuals rather than numbers/calculations), but thanks for explaining. In other words, I don't understand how 999=March 9 (03/09/10=09/09/09). I noticed that TINI now redirects to your post, so you must be on the right track somewhere...lol Anyway, I guess I'll look forward to the 09/09/09 update on 3/9/10...lol
BTW the best is yet to come? I hope so, because today was terrible. Still hoping, still beLIEving, but must admit I'm a little shaky after today...maybe I need a pep talk.
i understand that 09/09/09 is important in the prediction - do you think it may be the Coroner's Report??? - look at the last page (with hair sample examination):
- the date at the bottom says 09/09/09 :shock: :o is this it :shock:
OMG!!! i'm so glad u found what 09/09/09 referred to, ForstAMoon! hair sample?? maybe they're gonna say that the DNA from the hair sample doesn't match MJ's DNA?? that'll just rock the world!!!
Totally...then he'll be classified from dead to missing...?
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TIAI After reading and seeing the circus yesterday ,........ I'm very very happy :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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So apparently our redirecting today is saying that our next update is going to be march 9th. hmmmmmm
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In points 3-2 and 3-3 TS says that the posting dates and times are important. This third update was posted on February 7th at 2:07. Therefore 02-07 and 02:07. So adding each part gives two 9’s and a third one is that there are 9 points in this 3rd update. Therefore 999. I guess the 090909 update will be on March 9.
Maybe I'm dense, but I'm still not understanding the number stuff (I'm better w/visuals rather than numbers/calculations), but thanks for explaining. In other words, I don't understand how 999=March 9 (03/09/10=09/09/09). I noticed that TINI now redirects to your post, so you must be on the right track somewhere...lol Anyway, I guess I'll look forward to the 09/09/09 update on 3/9/10...lol
BTW the best is yet to come? I hope so, because today was terrible. Still hoping, still beLIEving, but must admit I'm a little shaky after today...maybe I need a pep talk.
i understand that 09/09/09 is important in the prediction - do you think it may be the Coroner's Report??? - look at the last page (with hair sample examination):
- the date at the bottom says 09/09/09 :shock: :o is this it :shock:
now is redirecting to this post!
I'm feeling like we are all playing CLUE.. you know? going from room to room, guessing who did what, where, with wich weapon... but maybe here it is more like.. we know who.. still need to find when, and where.. we already know the way (or we believe we know it!)
:s
lots of L.O.V.E
Totally weird...okay I'm back...also w/the help of a good friend who reminded me of a lot of clues and showed a couple of interesting photos...check these out, if you haven't already...
http://twitpic.com/1251vu (http://twitpic.com/1251vu)
http://twitpic.com/1252i1 (http://twitpic.com/1252i1)
The question is...who is Conrad Murray??? haha
MJ you're a genius...*mwah*
Do you know, what's really funny to me about that?
In the first articles I read about MJ's death on German news sites on June 26th, they showed a pic of a white man and said it was Dr Murray - and it was NOT Dr Klein. And I'm not lying - he was close to this guy. I'm not saying it was him, because I don't recall his looks exactly, but he had a rather light greyish beard and it was also that kind portrait background.
I read the talk about "the white Murray" on another forum, but when I opened the link, the pic was already removed from that website.
Really, it took me 3 or 4 days - probably as long as Murray was "missing" - to finally find out, that Murray was a black man!
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I am also tired of this game, there are too many emotions and you are playing on all of them, I say enough already !!!
Ditto...I haven't cried this much as I did today in months. I just wish the whole thing had never happened...It's been one heck of a roller coaster ride of emotions and confusion from the beginning. I just want it to be over...stop the ride I want to get off.
I cry ocassionally just watching the beautiful man n his videos on youtube. I miss him so much. I dont like this journey. Im ready for it to stop. Everyone thinks i am crazy. Im tired of everyone laughing at me. I have a select few whom i can even discuss this with who wont laugh. I love Michael Jackson and i dont care who knows that. He is a good man. I want him to come back and show himself and tell all these accusers "SHAME ON YOU!" Lets get it done and over with.
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I am also tired of this game, there are too many emotions and you are playing on all of them, I say enough already !!!
Ditto...I haven't cried this much as I did today in months. I just wish the whole thing had never happened...It's been one heck of a roller coaster ride of emotions and confusion from the beginning. I just want it to be over...stop the ride I want to get off.
I cry ocassionally just watching the beautiful man n his videos on youtube. I miss him so much. I dont like this journey. Im ready for it to stop. Everyone thinks i am crazy. Im tired of everyone laughing at me. I have a select few whom i can even discuss this with who wont laugh. I love Michael Jackson and i dont care who knows that. He is a good man. I want him to come back and show himself and tell all these accusers "SHAME ON YOU!" Lets get it done and over with.
I cry too sometimes watching the videos and looking @ pictures. He's so beautiful and such a sweetheart and I miss him so much. I don't discuss this w/people who I don't think would be open-minded enough for it...like I said in a previous post...my husband would have me committed...lol Anyway, I'm feeling better than I was yesterday, but at the same time I wonder sometimes how long I can last with this.
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maybe 9-9-9 is really the update on 3/9..3 nines???
or maybe its the 9th outline of the 9th update on the 9th day of march?
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maybe 9-9-9 is really the update on 3/9..3 nines???
hmmm...I can understand that bit of numbers...maybe?
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^ Nah, cause he was going to talk about the DVD.
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Now TS is redirecting us to the Autopsy report about the hair samples and 90909
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... son23.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson23.html)
I wonder is there more on that page that we should know about besides the date?
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Now TS is redirecting us to the Autopsy report about the hair samples and 90909
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... son23.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson23.html)
I wonder is there more on that page that we should know about besides the date?
the only thing i noticed was that it says the mike was in a yellow casket covered in white towels and sheets but by august wouldnt he have had on his "outfit" that he wore for the viewing? and why would they undress him?
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From what I can see by this latest redirect. The hair was collected on 6 August 09 and the report date finalised was 090909....6 days after Mj's funeral!!!!
So where are the results of this analysis??????? What does this mean?
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Now TS is redirecting us to the Autopsy report about the hair samples and 90909
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... son23.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson23.html)
I wonder is there more on that page that we should know about besides the date?
the only thing i noticed was that it says the mike was in a yellow casket covered in white towels and sheets but by august wouldnt he have had on his "outfit" that he wore for the viewing? and why would they undress him?
Yeh that is weird too. Not sure about that.
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Michael Jacksons case number for the "Autopsy" is the following: 2009-04415
Add them up = 7
how surprising................ :lol:
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Michael Jacksons case number for the "Autopsy" is the following: 2009-04415
Add them up = 7
how surprising................ :lol:
..the "7" mesmerizes me every time anew - it´s simply stunning! :P
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Michael Jacksons case number for the "Autopsy" is the following: 2009-04415
Add them up = 7
how surprising................ :lol:
oh jesus, lol!
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So.... I can´t wait for the update..... :shock:
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Now TS is redirecting us to the Autopsy report about the hair samples and 90909
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... son23.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson23.html)
I wonder is there more on that page that we should know about besides the date?
There's more in the report not only on that page. Just try to read all the 23 pages. This is what made me wonder so far:
- no middle name of the decedent on top of the report
- they state that Murray was performing CPR on the floor from the begginning, not on the bed, even though they mention that they listened the 911 call.
- at 18.11 hour the rigor mortis was not present? is that possible?
- external urin catheter? urin retention? makes me think of Klein
- propofol in stomach contents? how come ?
- tubular adenoma of colon? wth is this?
- surgical scar on his right abdomen but his appendix is intact?
- caterer, pneumonia, bronchitis, but he was able to rehears the night before?
- they mention the vitiligo, but not the loupus
- how did that person identify MJ when he was collecting hair samples, if all that he could see was the hands & head? Only by the tag? Is that normal?
- the thing that shoked me the most (and I couldn't see its relevance): discribing how the neck organs were pulled out together with the tongue and that there were 3 little things on his tongue... I had to repeate ten times to miself: "it's not true, it's a hoax" in order to chase away that immage. But i couldn't help not to think about this as to a methaphoric way of sugesting an attempt to "silence" MJ
- 3 photographs of a silver BMW 645 Ci taken on 29-06-09? lol
Then, on the court, how funny the judge is just warning the good doc "I don't want you sedating people". So not to repeat an action that is ilegal anyway. It is like I would tell my son "Now you can continu to play, but please don't brake your toys anymore"
And the show goes on
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For those who lost hope seeing Murray charged, this is another kind of prediction regarding what could happen next (credit to sephia71 from michaeljacksonhoax.lefora):
"it will never go to trial anyway. i'm 90% positive he's going to take a plea deal [bargain]. the max he can get is 4 years. if it goes to trial they will need a change of venue [good luck with that!]. for a 4 year sentence they will whittle it down to 2 years house arrest, 2 years probation/community service, with a hefty fine and limit his practice priviledges. the jacksons will then take him to civil court for wrongful death suit and be awarded a lump sum paid out by his malpractice insurance. the insurance probably won't cover the total amount paid out, so they'll sue him for the difference personally [which he'll file bankruptcy on of course because he has no assets]. now we know why nothing was in his name.[clever!]
if he goes to jail, the inmates will kill him.[i'm not even exaggerating on that!]. that's why the lawyers were so eager for him to surrender and had bond ready. they don't want him in there with the other inmates. since the judge agreed to bond [thinking he's not a flight risk], they must already be talking plea deal. it's an involuntary manslaughter case. they aren't going to spend millions of dollars on a trial with only a 4 year sentence. what they will do is make a "poster child" out of murray. if you thought naomi campbell picking up trash was as punishment for her brush with the law was amusing, hold on to your seat belts for what they will make murray do!
i think this is very real. but i also think they have to go through the steps to keep mj hidden. this also signals to me that he's not coming out of hiding either. all i can say is, murray must have been paid a king's ransom to suffer like this. 75,000 bond? yeah wonder who fronted that? [smile]"
The problem I have w/that theory is where's the BAM? What's the point...to screw a guy over (to possibly go to jail and be killed, as was said) and hide forever? Doesn't sound like MJ to me. How is this "The Greatest Demonstration for Freedom"? I think he has to come back at some point, in order to expose the media/government corruption and conspiracy he's been speaking (and singing) about all these years. Otherwise it seems like there's no point to this.
It could be the start of that demonstration...it could show how an innocent man's life (remember he pleaded notguilty) can be distroied (even though he could be aquited, his immage, his name are dammadged forever); and in the end we should understand how important is not to jump to conclusions, to think twice before considerring someone a bad person, or (maybe the most important) not to spread a bad oppinion about someone unless we are really, really convinced about that thing. I can't understand why we are able to understand those things when some dear person is involved in such a situation, but in the next minute we can repeat the exact same mistakes, judging another person who could face a similar situation. Maybe (I hope) this case will turn to be a lesson for every body to understand...with love.
*EDIT Well, I see Grace explained it perfectly...there is where I'm comming from too :)
I can see how we are learning that lesson now, but the rest of the world thinks this is real and that he's dead, so how does the rest of the world learn the lesson? How does he ultimately get vindication? We just watch it happen again and learn from it, just us? If it goes down that way then those who are the problem (corrupted media/government/everything) aren't going to learn the lesson, that's for sure. How does that make a difference? I'm sorry, but I will be really disappointed if this is all there is to it...just to watch it happen again to someone else, and then happen again to someone else (since no one else learned the lesson), and then again and again, etc. Doesn't make sense. I think he will come back eventually to expose this corruption to the world...not saying I have any idea of when or how, but I think he will eventually...all the clues and messages (including TIAI) seem to point to him coming back at some point (at least for me). Besides, according to Joe Jackson's publicist he loves and misses the fans ;) ...have you all seen this? I doubt she was talking about Joe...
http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/mic ... _talks.php (http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/michael_jackson/x17_xclusive_joe_jackson_talks.php)
L.O.V.E
Tklein, I never said is not possible for him to comeback. But honestly, do you think "the rest of the world" will just take his word when he will try to explain his reasons? And what do you mean by "the rest of the world"? Did you noticed how nasty we can be here, in these forums where we talk about love and care and understanding? In these conditions can you imagine what "the rest of the world" is capable of? IMHO we still have to learn and to emprouve our love before the next step. PEACE & LOVE to you!
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Michael Jacksons case number for the "Autopsy" is the following: 2009-04415
Add them up = 7
how surprising................ :lol:
..the "7" mesmerizes me every time anew - it´s simply stunning! :P
and the new cd 7even.. :P
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OK, I'm going to risk looking stupid here, but how does 2009-04415 = 7 ????? 2+9+4+4+1+5=25! OK, LOL, as I type this I figured it out! 25 is 2+5=7. Maybe someone else is slow like me and will appreciate this!! CHEERS!
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I am also tired of this game, there are too many emotions and you are playing on all of them, I say enough already !!!
Ditto...I haven't cried this much as I did today in months. I just wish the whole thing had never happened...It's been one heck of a roller coaster ride of emotions and confusion from the beginning. I just want it to be over...stop the ride I want to get off.
I cry ocassionally just watching the beautiful man n his videos on youtube. I miss him so much. I dont like this journey. Im ready for it to stop. Everyone thinks i am crazy. Im tired of everyone laughing at me. I have a select few whom i can even discuss this with who wont laugh. I love Michael Jackson and i dont care who knows that. He is a good man. I want him to come back and show himself and tell all these accusers "SHAME ON YOU!" Lets get it done and over with.
I know MJ felt that exact way many many times in his life. Im not saying he wants people to feel what he felt but maybe he does, so as to better understand him. Dont lose hope sweetie. I almost did on Monday but I kept solidering on and now Im more conviced then ever that he is still among the living.
MJ IS a good man and he needs us!!!
TS,
You are the most awesome person ever (other then MJ himself LOL!). Whenever I feel like giving up or lose hope like I was on Monday, you bring me back to life. Thank you for this and for your work in helping us "see" what is going on......I havent posted much on your threads, but I always read them and they are SOOOOO intriguing!!!
I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders and I feel so ALIVE afterwards!!
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i actually feel very tired of ur comeback dates. ur info can be genuine but plz if u r not sure abt a comeback date then don't say anything abt it 'cause it frustrates a lot of people. :x
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Thanks for doing the math. I was just adding them and you posted. :roll:
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Hello everybody it is the first time that i post here,in my opinion from now on the big drama is starting.
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merci TS pour l introduction du fuseau horraire je suis francaise l aurais tu oublie , ahahah wikipedia tu es sympa je t adore mais quel labirynthe tu vas me faire mourir avant l heure , si j explique ca a ma copine elle va rien y comprendre, tu pouvais expliquer qu il fallait s enregistrer avant , j aurais perdu moins de temps , regarde j ai un cheveu gris qui pousse par ta faute lol que dieu te benisse j espere que la suite va pas me renverser la tete a l envers les maneges de micky j adore sauf la tete en bas moi bisous de normandie france
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One thing about the Autopsy report is that, I think it is said that they identified the body as "Michael Jackson" because they refereed to his Driver's license.... so where exactly would MJ have stashed his Driver's License....because wasn't it also mentioned that he was not wearing any clothes at the time? I don't think he would sleep with a wallet in the pocket? Wouldn't they have a family member come in and I.D the body? Or did they have to I.D the body a second time for the autopsy and they just used the license...which mean it could have been anyone...because you can always pretend to be someone else with a different driver's license if you look kinda like the person....and isn't his license picture really old? [I know in NY you don't have to have a new photo taken...there is a guy that is 65 and he still uses his photo from when he was 25. ]
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Hello World:
:geek:
May I remind you of MJ's words and how they definetly apply here in this section and every where else on this board. I feel I am going to use these lyrics many times as a learning tool. Please read and absorb them. Please apply them when you are reading anything on this board or watching T.V. or reading the tabloids, do not be a junkie to them.
Luv you MJ, God Bless You!
Tabloid Junkie
Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
As the hounding media in hysteria
Who's the next for you to resurrect
JFK exposed the CIA
Truth be told the grassy knoll
As the blackmail story in all your glory
It's slander
You say it's not a sword
But with your pen you torture men
You'd crucify the Lord
And you don't have to read it, read it
And you don't have to eat it, eat it
To buy it is to feed it, feed it
So why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
They say he's homosexual
In the hood
Frame him if you could
Shoot to kill
To blame him if you will
If he dies sympathize
Such false witnesses
Damn self righteousness
In the black
Stab me in the back
In the face
To lie and shame the race
Heroine and Marilyn
As the headline stories of
All your glory
It's slander
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it, buy it
And they won't glorify it, 'fy it
To read it sanctifies it, 'fies it
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
She's blonde and she's bisexual
Scandal
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it, buy it
And they won't glorify it, 'fy it
To read it sanctifies it, 'fies it
Why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Slander
You say it's not a sin
But with your pen you torture men
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
You're so damn disrespectable
:geek: Put your truth glasses on people!
I got mine on! :geek:
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One thing about the Autopsy report is that, I think it is said that they identified the body as "Michael Jackson" because they refereed to his Driver's license.... so where exactly would MJ have stashed his Driver's License....because wasn't it also mentioned that he was not wearing any clothes at the time? I don't think he would sleep with a wallet in the pocket? Wouldn't they have a family member come in and I.D the body? Or did they have to I.D the body a second time for the autopsy and they just used the license...which mean it could have been anyone...because you can always pretend to be someone else with a different driver's license if you look kinda like the person....and isn't his license picture really old? [I know in NY you don't have to have a new photo taken...there is a guy that is 65 and he still uses his photo from when he was 25. ]
And remember- the FBI files showed his driver's license, and it said Joe is his middle name, not Joseph!
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Hello World:
:geek:
May I remind you of MJ's words and how they definetly apply here in this section and every where else on this board. I feel I am going to use these lyrics many times as a learning tool. Please read and absorb them. Please apply them when you are reading anything on this board or watching T.V. or reading the tabloids, do not be a junkie to them.
Luv you MJ, God Bless You!
Tabloid Junkie
Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
As the hounding media in hysteria
Who's the next for you to resurrect
JFK exposed the CIA
Truth be told the grassy knoll
As the blackmail story in all your glory
It's slander
You say it's not a sword
But with your pen you torture men
You'd crucify the Lord
And you don't have to read it, read it
And you don't have to eat it, eat it
To buy it is to feed it, feed it
So why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
They say he's homosexual
In the hood
Frame him if you could
Shoot to kill
To blame him if you will
If he dies sympathize
Such false witnesses
Damn self righteousness
In the black
Stab me in the back
In the face
To lie and shame the race
Heroine and Marilyn
As the headline stories of
All your glory
It's slander
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it, buy it
And they won't glorify it, 'fy it
To read it sanctifies it, 'fies it
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
She's blonde and she's bisexual
Scandal
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it, buy it
And they won't glorify it, 'fy it
To read it sanctifies it, 'fies it
Why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Slander
You say it's not a sin
But with your pen you torture men
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
You're so damn disrespectable
:geek: Put your truth glasses on people!
I got mine on! :geek:
I agree...I heard his music a whole different way when I thought he "died", and now am hearing it a totally different way (but also different from before he "died" also) now that I know he's alive...no matter what the situation it always "speaks" to me...GENIUS... :D
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TIAI has redirected now to this pdf information about the LA Coroner....
http://coroner.lacounty.gov/htm/info_eng.pdf (http://coroner.lacounty.gov/htm/info_eng.pdf)
Now I have had a little idea about part 3-9 of TS Update:
3-9. The Best Is Yet to Come! I am assuming the 3-9 as the date 3/9/2010 (using USA date format)
The date at the end of the Autopsy report (we were redirected there yesterday) is finalised 09/09/09: this is 6 months before TS Update 3-9 (again assuming this as 3/9/2010) "The Best is Yet to Come"
3/9/2010 is 6 months and 6 days after the "funeral" of MJ.
So three 6's 666. Invert them like the MJ autograph code mentioned earlier in this thread = 999 = 3 Nines = 3/9/2010
So does 3/9/2010 = "The Best IS Yet to Come".....reveal? return?
Also - as we know one of the dates when MJ was possibly to "return" was 1/18/2010 and this date is 45 days (inclusive reckoning) before 3/9/2010...4+5=9
Just my rambling thoughts late at night.
:D :D :D
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OK, I'm going to risk looking stupid here, but how does 2009-04415 = 7 ????? 2+9+4+4+1+5=25! OK, LOL, as I type this I figured it out! 25 is 2+5=7. Maybe someone else is slow like me and will appreciate this!! CHEERS!
LOL!! you made me laugh so hard!!
I'm so bad decoding numbers :) lucky for me, there's a lot of people so good at it in this forum.
Lots of L.O.V.E!!!
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OK, I'm going to risk looking stupid here, but how does 2009-04415 = 7 ????? 2+9+4+4+1+5=25! OK, LOL, as I type this I figured it out! 25 is 2+5=7. Maybe someone else is slow like me and will appreciate this!! CHEERS!
LOL!! you made me laugh so hard!!
I'm so bad decoding numbers :) lucky for me, there's a lot of people so good at it in this forum.
Lots of L.O.V.E!!!
he he....
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http://coroner.lacounty.gov/htm/info_eng.pdf (http://coroner.lacounty.gov/htm/info_eng.pdf)
No Craig Harvey..... and what about this?
WHY IS THE CORONER INVOLVED?
State law requires the Coroner to inquire into and
determine the circumstances, manner, and cause of all
sudden, violent, or unusual deaths and those deaths
where the decedent has not been seen by a physician
20 days prior to death. The deceased will be taken to
the Coroner’s Office and examined by a physician to
discover the cause of death. A death certificate is issued
after the examination is completed. Occasionally, more
extensive testing is required, in which case an interim or
deferred death certificate is issued which will allow the
family to make funeral arrangements. A final death
certificate will be issued following completion of special
testing.
the information contained in this pamphlet will assist you by
providing answers to commonly asked questions.
I don´t understand anything..... I really wish I lived in LA.... so Coroner shouldn´t be involved? if he had his doctor with him?
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http://coroner.lacounty.gov/htm/info_eng.pdf
No Craig Harvey..... and what about this?
WHY IS THE CORONER INVOLVED?
State law requires the Coroner to inquire into and
determine the circumstances, manner, and cause of all
sudden, violent, or unusual deaths and those deaths
where the decedent has not been seen by a physician
20 days prior to death. The deceased will be taken to
the Coroner’s Office and examined by a physician to
discover the cause of death. A death certificate is issued
after the examination is completed. Occasionally, more
extensive testing is required, in which case an interim or
deferred death certificate is issued which will allow the
family to make funeral arrangements. A final death
certificate will be issued following completion of special
testing.
the information contained in this pamphlet will assist you by
providing answers to commonly asked questions.
I don´t understand anything..... I really wish I lived in LA.... so Coroner shouldn´t be involved? if he had his doctor with him?
Maybe is my bad english but I understand that the coroner is involved because the physician thing is just another option, like:
the coroner will be involved if:
*there was a sudden death
*violent death
*unusual death
*a death where the decedent has not been seen by a physician 20 days prior to death.
O.o maybe I'm wrong
Lots of L.O.V.E!
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the report was finalised on 9/09/09 but mj was buried on 03/09/09 (3rd of september). do u think this could be significant too?
also, does anybody think that this report may be fake? this report sounds a lot to me, like the "first leaked" autopsy report where it said mj's body was riddled with needle marks. does anybody think this too?
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the report was finalised on 9/09/09 but mj was buried on 03/09/09 (3rd of september). do u think this could be significant too?
also, does anybody think that this report may be fake? this report sounds a lot to me, like the "first leaked" autopsy report where it said mj's body was riddled with needle marks. does anybody think this too?
My opinion is that the Autopsy Report is totally fake because of lots of reasons I won't go into in this post..
That is just another thing wrong with it that fact that MJ was "buried" on 09/03/09 (US date format)...yet the last page of the report says it was finalised on 09/09/09...surely they would have had to complete it before his burial.....they had long enough from when he died.
Another thing TIAI is redirecting to the info sheet on the LA Coroner. Should Craig Harvey's name be there somewhere or not?? because it isn't and all along he has been the main person being talked about in the media etc. I wonder if he still actually works there??
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http://coroner.lacounty.gov/htm/info_eng.pdf
No Craig Harvey..... and what about this?
WHY IS THE CORONER INVOLVED?
State law requires the Coroner to inquire into and
determine the circumstances, manner, and cause of all
sudden, violent, or unusual deaths and those deaths
where the decedent has not been seen by a physician
20 days prior to death. The deceased will be taken to
the Coroner’s Office and examined by a physician to
discover the cause of death. A death certificate is issued
after the examination is completed. Occasionally, more
extensive testing is required, in which case an interim or
deferred death certificate is issued which will allow the
family to make funeral arrangements. A final death
certificate will be issued following completion of special
testing.
the information contained in this pamphlet will assist you by
providing answers to commonly asked questions.
I don´t understand anything..... I really wish I lived in LA.... so Coroner shouldn´t be involved? if he had his doctor with him?
Maybe is my bad english but I understand that the coroner is involved because the physician thing is just another option, like:
the coroner will be involved if:
*there was a sudden death
*violent death
*unusual death
*a death where the decedent has not been seen by a physician 20 days prior to death.
O.o maybe I'm wrong
Lots of L.O.V.E!
I see..... thank you!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4fOuQQpO5M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4fOuQQpO5M) ; bravo meme si ce n est pas vraiment les paroles merci les enfants c est superbe j adore et je chiale superbe que dieu vous benissent vraiment Michael sera surement d entendre ca , en tout cas moi j adore kisses
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Hello World:
:geek:
May I remind you of MJ's words and how they definetly apply here in this section and every where else on this board. I feel I am going to use these lyrics many times as a learning tool. Please read and absorb them. Please apply them when you are reading anything on this board or watching T.V. or reading the tabloids, do not be a junkie to them.
Luv you MJ, God Bless You!
Tabloid Junkie
Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
As the hounding media in hysteria
Who's the next for you to resurrect
JFK exposed the CIA
Truth be told the grassy knoll
As the blackmail story in all your glory
It's slander
You say it's not a sword
But with your pen you torture men
You'd crucify the Lord
And you don't have to read it, read it
And you don't have to eat it, eat it
To buy it is to feed it, feed it
So why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
They say he's homosexual
In the hood
Frame him if you could
Shoot to kill
To blame him if you will
If he dies sympathize
Such false witnesses
Damn self righteousness
In the black
Stab me in the back
In the face
To lie and shame the race
Heroine and Marilyn
As the headline stories of
All your glory
It's slander
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it, buy it
And they won't glorify it, 'fy it
To read it sanctifies it, 'fies it
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
She's blonde and she's bisexual
Scandal
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it, buy it
And they won't glorify it, 'fy it
To read it sanctifies it, 'fies it
Why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Slander
You say it's not a sin
But with your pen you torture men
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
You're so damn disrespectable
:geek: Put your truth glasses on people!
I got mine on! :geek:
My thoughts exactly on this! I am having a hard time understanding how many can beLIEve Michael is alive but yet still want justice for Michael and want Conrad Murray punished, The man didn't do anything wrong, except do what his part is in Michael's plan!!
People also keep beLIEving everything that they see, read, and hear as being real. When Michael himself said it many, many times to not beLIEve everything that is written. I look at the autopsy report and laugh because it is obviously fake. Michael is alive and therefore would not have an autopsy done!! The same with everything that is on TMZ it is so not true and either they are working with MJ and his plan or Michael is making them out to be exactly what he said the tabloids were which is all garbage!!
I do beLIEve Michael is alive and therefore will not beLIEve anything unless it comes from Michael's own mouth! I will read, watch, and observe but take it all with a grain of salt until the day that our precious Michael comes back to us to help carry out his message of LOVE & PEACE in this world!
Please understand I am not trying to hurt anyone or step on any toes here. I am just stating my feelings and opinions. I would never intentionally hurt anyone! I just feel that some are still missing Michael's messages.
I LOVE YOU Michael Forever & Always
Whenever you need me, I'll be there!
Just look over your shoulder Hunny!! ;)
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Dear Ts
thanks so much for your update and all Your informative asistance!!! Much L.O.V.E and hugs to You!! and I love and thank everyone here, all contributing together to better understand what is said and things we might have missed- that others have seen or discovered , it helps that we can feel free to ask others for assistance, as it helps better process the information , when You don't have to worry if You aren't getting every word or clue, ;) redirect or hint!! So thanks so much to everyone for Your patience and love !!
:P Today in New Zealand time it's Prince's 13th b'day, Saturday 13th and he is 13yrs( MJFC fanclub info) So I send my love out to him and hope he gets an amazing celebration full of much love and happiness and that if MJ and him are apart that the day is blessed in knowledge of each others bond of L.OV.E that can never be broken, but if they are together I am so truly happy as Michael is such a beautiful and loving father that it must would be so hard to miss a momentous moment like this, as this is a big day in a boys (childs life reaching teenagehood) I know MJ would be doing what is absolute best but I pray that they are together but if not I pray that the pain of separation is overwhelmed by the shared union of L.O.V.E they have!!
To You Michael and Your beautiful children, today especially Prince on His special Birthday I wish You all so much love, peace happiness and pure joy!! I hope and pray YOU get to share this special day!! and whether You do or not I pray that Your pain is eased in knowledge that 'You are Always There (here)for them and they know that You 'Love them More' and are 'always in Your Heart , for You'll never let them part'!! (just like You so unconditionally always give of yourself, Your love, so unselfishly to one and for one and all !! and I say to You 'I Love You More' Michael!! and I mean that from the bottom of my heart !! take care and I send You much L.OV.E. PEACE, HAPPINESS AND LIGHT!!
I can't say enough as for me likek others have said You connect us so deeply emotionally that I cry when I watch, see, hear You and to know You are still here with us, brings me tears of pure joy and happiness!! 'I Love You More' I truly do!! take care and in Your own time!! as is said 'Love is patient, Love is kind' and who better and more articulately demonstrates this than You!! So I have learned so much from You and still continue to do, like others have said Your songs continually speak to me and now on so many different levels to what I already experienced. So You are the example to me of how to wait for You, With patience, kindness and L.O.V.E in my heart, always and forever!! You are always with me Spiritually!! Love You love You love you!!
To everyone here sorry to go on I send much love and light to You!!! and I just wanted to finish by sharing with You as we here are on the Eve of Valentines Day and belive it's for everyone to share L.O.V.E even us all whom are single, it is so beautiful to have a day to celebrate L.O.V.E in all it;s forms, to love as MJ does, family friends, children adults , animals,planet Earth the Universe, and I had an idea that I wanted to share how about we all as believers in MJ and his beautiful message, how about we all do or give something in L.O.V.E tomorrow February the 14th Valentines Day to someone or something, an animal or our environment, to show love in some way that is significant to MJ and his belief's and even to whom You do it for, whether they believe or not what we do , but we could tell them leave a note that MJ inspired this in us and we hope to inspire them, in the way MJ ahs us to L.O.V.E all and everyone and every being!! It could be as simple as making MUm Dad Hubby sister brother breakfast in bed or putting out the trash showing some perosn on the street a kindness or making a donation or jsut a note of LOVE to someone, but if we start thsi we can creat A CIRCLE OF LOVE MJ's CIRCLE OF LOVE, i say circle for that is all embracing, no gaps eventually it will be a cirlcle of love around the world, I thought this could help MJ spread the message united as one, all linked to embrace the world with a circle of LOVE and eventually LOVE will conquer all for love is the true power!! and on Twitter there is 'MJ'S CIRCLE OF LOVE' ' to do just that like 'paying it forward' but MJ style, so that eventually we have a continuous circle linking us all- that his message becomes our message and the world's message and when there are no gaps all linked in a circle , as in a circle it's all embracing - the world will be embraced by L.O.V.E!!! So I thought Valentines Day is an Amazingly significant day to start as it too is all about L.O.V.E!!
much L.O.V.E and hugs to You all!! always and forever!! and
'HAPPY VALENTINES DAY!!' To You all!! and if You are alone (like us single ones) please know I am thinking of You and sending You love. and All us here believe in MJ and like others have said we are all connected through Him and so too we are not alone 'we are family' and forever will be ... connected as this is an amazing experience and I too have made so many friends and love each and everyone and all of You. many I have yet to know , beyond here as well !! Through this we have all been already united as one, so we could be the start of something big here, a greater movement! greater than all the 'powers that be' for love will turn the world on it's head and for L.O.V.E is the most powerful tool there is and the most powerful thing in the universe!!
So I will close sorry to go on, I just want to help MJ spread the L.O.V.E and all his messages!!
from the bottom of my heart I love You all!!!
thanks again for all the love and knowlege sharing !! You all Rock!!
So let's 'Rock This World' with L.O.V.E !!
take care and lots of love
Michelle Wilkie
New Zealand!!
Happy Valentines!!! ;)
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L.O.V.E the latest redirect TS!!!!!
Especially the last line :-)
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/mjs-train ... -the-walk/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/mjs-trainer-he-could-still-walk-the-walk/)
Adi
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For those who lost hope seeing Murray charged, this is another kind of prediction regarding what could happen next (credit to sephia71 from michaeljacksonhoax.lefora):
"it will never go to trial anyway. i'm 90% positive he's going to take a plea deal [bargain]. the max he can get is 4 years. if it goes to trial they will need a change of venue [good luck with that!]. for a 4 year sentence they will whittle it down to 2 years house arrest, 2 years probation/community service, with a hefty fine and limit his practice priviledges. the jacksons will then take him to civil court for wrongful death suit and be awarded a lump sum paid out by his malpractice insurance. the insurance probably won't cover the total amount paid out, so they'll sue him for the difference personally [which he'll file bankruptcy on of course because he has no assets]. now we know why nothing was in his name.[clever!]
if he goes to jail, the inmates will kill him.[i'm not even exaggerating on that!]. that's why the lawyers were so eager for him to surrender and had bond ready. they don't want him in there with the other inmates. since the judge agreed to bond [thinking he's not a flight risk], they must already be talking plea deal. it's an involuntary manslaughter case. they aren't going to spend millions of dollars on a trial with only a 4 year sentence. what they will do is make a "poster child" out of murray. if you thought naomi campbell picking up trash was as punishment for her brush with the law was amusing, hold on to your seat belts for what they will make murray do!
i think this is very real. but i also think they have to go through the steps to keep mj hidden. this also signals to me that he's not coming out of hiding either. all i can say is, murray must have been paid a king's ransom to suffer like this. 75,000 bond? yeah wonder who fronted that? [smile]"
totally agreed. murray has money problems left and right, behind in child support and whatnot. all of a sudden he is able to pay $75,000 bail? that was my first thought: where did this money come from?
naturally, he won't survive jail. he would have to be in isolation and still be in danger everytime he only passes another inmate. anyone in there be a potential killer. vendetta for real...i'm actually surprised he can walk the streets unharmed.
and i also think that he got a very good deal out of this. like: how would you like to get rid of all your financial troubles and stay filthy rich for the rest of your life in exchange for some rough months or even 4 years in jail? if murray is in half as much trouble as reported, he'd say: sure, at your service. what's 4 years? nothing compared to the lush life afterwards...
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I respect everyone's opinions. You can not trust TIAI BUT "who would waste months doing this for nothing" should be the question that you guys need to ask to yourselves. Pls do NOT underestimate the work they have been doing! Would you do the same or could you? Read very carefully from day 1 what TIAI has been writing and then decide.
Ok, about the come back day I don't know if it can be true but it seems to me that 3 3 3 is the answer! :D 3rd of March can be the day! It's just my opinion though! I know that TIAI wrote something about 3 9 too but maybe that's when TIAI reveals who he is or they are :)
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New redirect...
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Ohhhhhhhh...we LOVE you too Michael (and TIAI and STUDY and TS!!!)
Happy Valentines Day
Much LOVE
xxx
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This is a long, but very touching story which I whish to offer you as a birthday present, Prince-Michael. It is not mine and, unfortunately I don’t know who wrote it in the first place, so I can’t give any credit for it. I’ve just received it the same way that I am sending it to you now. Please excuse the modest translation from Romanian. I know it is not the best wording, but I also know you will understand the message.
In a college classroom a philosophy teacher is training his class…
He wants to explain which is the conflict between philosophy and religion…The teacher, an atheist, points toward one of his new students and asks him:
- You are a Christian, aren’t you?
- Yes sir, I am
- So you do believe that God exists
- Absolutely sir!
- Is it true that God is good?
- Of course, God is good.
- Is God almighty? Can He do anything?
- Yes.
- Are you bad or good?
- The Bible says I’m bad.
- Oh, right, the Bible... look this is a problem for you to solve: let’s suppose that there is an ill person here and that you have the power to heal that person. Would you do this, would you try to heal that person?
- Yes sir, I would.
- So this means you are good.
- I wouldn’t say that…
- But why? You would like to help a sick person if you could…most of us would like to. But God doesn’t.
The student is not answering, so the teacher continues:
- He doesn’t help, does He? My brother was a Christian and he died of cancer, despite the fact that he asked Jesus to heal him. How come Jesus is good? Can you answer this?
The student keeps silence
- You can’t answer, can you?
The teacher sweeps a drip of water in order to give the student the chance to relax
- Let’s start it over: Is God good?
- Well, yes. Answers the student.
- Is Satan good?
- No
- Where is Satan coming from?
The student hesitates a little and then he answers:
- From God
- Correct! God created Satan, didn’t He? Tell me son, is there Evil in this world?
- Yes sir.
- The Evil is everywhere, isn’t it? And God created everything on this world, it’s that correct?
- Yes.
- So who created the Evil? If God created everything, then He also created the Evil. Having in mind that the Evil exists and that the things that we do are the ones that represent us, than God is Evil.
One more time the student doesn’t answer. The teacher asks:
- Is there illness on this world? Immorality? Hate? Uglyness? Do all these awful things exist?
- Yes, answers the student discomforted
- So who created them? Who?
Silence. Sudenly the teacher begins to walk along the classroom. The students are speechless. The teacher addresses to another student:
- Tell me, do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?
- Yes sir, I do, answers the student aloud.
The old teacher stops from his walk and says:
- The science says that we have 5 senses in order to identify and observe the surroundings. Have you ever seen Jesus?
- No sir, I haven’t.
- Then tell us if you’ve ever heard your Jesus? Have you ever tasted Him? Have you ever smelled Him? Have you ever had a sensorial experience of your Jesus or of God?
- No sir, I’m afraid I haven’t.
- And you still believe in him?
- YES
- According to its empiric, verifiable, provable rules, the science says
- Nothing. I just have my faith.
- Yea right, the faith, repeats the teacher. This is the problem that the science has with God. There is no proof, but only the faith.
The student remains silent for a moment, before asking a question on his turn:
- sir, is there such thing as heat?
- Yes.
- And is there such thing as frost?
- Yes son, there is also frost.
- No sir, there is not.
Obviously concerned, the teacher turns toward the student. The classroom suddenly becomes quiet and the student begins his pleading:
- We can talk about “a lot of heat”, “more heat”, “super heat”, “mega heat”, “unlimited heat”, “warmth”, or “no heat at all”, but there is not such thing as “frost”. We can reach 458 degrees under zero, which means “no heat at all”, but we can’t go further. The “frost” doesn’t exist. If it would, we would have reached temperatures even lower than the absolute minimum of -458F degrees. Any body or object worth to be studied if it has or if it generates energy, and the heat is the one that allows to a body or object or material to generate energy. The absolute zero (-458F) means the total absence of heat. So can you see, sir, the “frost” is just a word that we use in order to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure the frost. The heat can be measured in thermal units, because the heat is energy. The frost is not the converse of the heat, but only its absence.
The classroom is wrapped in silence. Somewhere a pen is dropped on the floor like a hammer strike.
- What about darkness, sire? Does the darkness exist?
- Yes, answers the teacher.
- Wrong again, sir. The darkness is not “something”; it is the lack of something. There is “weak light”, “normal light”, “shining light”, “intermittent light”, but if there is no light at all, there is nothing, and this “nothing” is called “darkness”, isn’t it? This is the meaning that we assign to this word. In fact, the “darkness does not exist. If it would have existed, we could have made the darkness even darker, couldn’t we?.
The teacher smiles…this is going to be a grate semester.
- What is your point, young man?
- Sir, I want to say that the philosophical premises you relay your theory on are wrong, which means that the conclusions MUST be wrong too.
This time the teacher cannot hide his wonder:
- Wrong? Can you explain? How come?
- You relay your theory on the duality premises. You claim that there is LIFE and that afterwards there is DEATH; a GOOD God and an EVIL God. You consider the concept of GOD as being finite, something we can measure. Sir, the science cannot even explain what a “thought” is. It uses the electricity and the magnetism, but nobody totally understood or saw them. Considering that the “death” is the converse of “life” means ignoring the fact that the “death” does not exist as a substantial thing. The “death” is not the converse of “life”, but its absence. Now tell me, sir, do you teach your students the theory according to which we evolved from monkeys?
- If you refer to the natural evolution process, yes, of course.
- Have you ever seen the “evolution” with your own eyes, sir?
The teacher continues to smile figuring where the student is trying to turn the argument…a grate semester, indeed
- Considering that nobody really observed the evolution process and nobody can prove that it is happening, I could draw the conclusion that you contradict your own believes when you teach your students about the natural evolution process. So, what are you now: a science man, or a preacher? Please allow me to give you an example in order to continue the demonstration you’ve just begun earlier. Is there any of you (he is addressing to his colleagues) who actually saw the teacher’s brain? The classroom bursts into laughter. Is there any of you who smelled the teacher’s brain? Who heard it? Who felt it? So, according to the empiric rules based on the provable protocol, the science says, with all the respect, sir, that you have no brain. If the science says this, how can we trust your class, sir?
The classroom is silenced now. The teacher is staring to his student with a impenetrable expression on his face. After a lull that seamed lasting for ages, the old teacher answers:
- I suppose you will simply have to believe it.
- So you admit that there is such thing as faith and in fact the faith exists together with the life. Now sir, does the EVIL exist?
- Of course it does, we can see it every day. The Evil is seen daily due to the man’s lack of humanity. It is seen in all the crimes and the violence which happen all-around the world. These facts are nothing else but the EVIL itself.
- The EVIL does not exist, sir. The EVIL is simply the absence of GOD. It is – just like the darkness and the frost – a word created by man in order to describe the absence of GOD. It is not GOD who created the EVIL. The EVIL is what happens when the love of God is absent from one human’s heart. It is just like the frost that appears when there is no heat at all or like the darkness that appears when there is no light.
The teacher seated down, speechless.
Your lovely father understood longtime ago the moral of this story. I know there are many others that also understood it. BUT the particularity that made your daddy special for this world is that he dedicated all his life to the try of making everybody seeing this truth. He always found the best way to make this world remembering this precious thing, feeling it and whishing to carry it forward. The fact that he knew that the Evil is just the absence of God, helped him going on even in his worst days, because only by spreading God’s word and wisdom the Evil can be weakened.
Dear Prince, be strong and proud and pure, keep the faith and whatever happens follow your own way, listen to your call. I know some people could have high expectation from you, due to the overwhelming standards of your father, but please do not let yourself discouraged by this comparison. Each of us is unique in his own way and God let every one of us with a special purpose on this Earth … when you will figure out which one is yours, you will know it and you will follow it and you will shine just as beautiful as your daddy, or maybe even better. God bless you and your wonderful family! Happy Birthday!
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Ralu !! my dear friend!! You are truly beautiful :P and what You put!! makes me so emotional!! I truly believe that Prinnce Paris and Blanket will all be unique and beautiful in their own way !! and I totally agree with the public eye on them everyday!! With a Dad like You Michael they will never go wrong, for You have guided them well, You can see that a mile away!! With great dignity and pride You have raised them and much much love You can see that!! and if everyone was a parent like You the world would be a much better place!!
lots of love MY and to Your Children and Family
Michelle
Ralu You are truly beautiful and much love to YOu and Your family too and Your translation was beautiful!!
all my love and HAPPY VALENTINES DAY TO YOU ALL!! SPREAD THE LOVE!! ;)
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@TS
As I see on all hoax forums, people are confused about Karen Faye, Randy Jackson and Brian Oxman. As we all know Karen Faye has been telling everyone that she saw Michael's dead body and he left his children fatherless etc. Then she made thousands of fans to call DA and LAPD about Murray case and she pointed her finger to Kenny Ortega and blamed him for killing Michael.
And on Murray's trial Randy Jackson made a tweet and blamed AEG and Kenny Ortega too. Thousands of fans hate Kenny.
And then Brian Oxman came to the show and asked fans to call LAPD to ask for justice for Michael.
Believers ask why they need to behave like this and do this all if this is a hoax and if Michael is going to come back? How are they going to explain it after Michael comes back? This confuses people a lot.
So, we all would be so much appreciated if you tell us about this issue. Thank you in advance. :)
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@Purelove, IDK if TS will answer this, coz I feel that this is part of the script, you know?
But, please, let me give you an example about what the answer could be about: When we think about believing (in a higher force), many of us feel like our faith is tested from time to time. And what better way to find for bracing our faith than passing those tests with bright colors? These nonsense facts that seam to contradict our believings, have the role of training and binding our faith. We cannot find an explanation about why they happen, but meantime, struggling to understand them, we can find 1000 other reasons that confirm our believing, so instead of our faith to diminish as a result of all the questionable aspects, it becomes stronger. In the end we will not even pay attention on those things that could shake our faith, because we are going to be already "trained" and very well taught. :)
Well, I think the same pattern is applied here with all the aspects you mentioned before. Maybe in the end they will be revealed as "teaching" instruments. Minor traps placed there for us to learn something...just maybe. Hugs.
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@Purelove, IDK if TS will answer this, coz I feel that this is part of the script, you know?
But, please, let me give you an example about what the answer could be about: When we think about believing (in a higher force), many of us feel like our faith is tested from time to time. And what better way to find for bracing our faith than passing those tests with bright colors? These nonsense facts that seam to contradict our believings, have the role of training and binding our faith. We cannot find an explanation about why they happen, but meantime, struggling to understand them, we can find 1000 other reasons that confirm our believing, so instead of our faith to diminish as a result of all the questionable aspects, it becomes stronger. In the end we will not even pay attention on those things that could shake our faith, because we are going to be already "trained" and very well taught. :)
Well, I think the same pattern is applied here with all the aspects you mentioned before. Maybe in the end they will be revealed as "teaching" instruments. Minor traps placed there for us to learn something...just maybe. Hugs.
Hi ralu sweets. Actually I know it is. There're two kinds of people in this hoax. 1-The ones who know the hoax, never deny it and try to give us clues (like Kenny) 2-The ones who know the hoax but always deny the hoax, call us freaks (like most of them lol)
BUT there had to be the second type too otherwise everyone would have learnt about the hoax long time ago.
I didn't ask TS for myself because I DO know that Michael is alive 100% and why he did this etc. BUT I see people are losing their hopes. I try to explain them but it doesn't work. That's the reason why I asked TS to tell things about them. HUGS back at you :)
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the report was finalised on 9/09/09 but mj was buried on 03/09/09 (3rd of september). do u think this could be significant too?
also, does anybody think that this report may be fake? this report sounds a lot to me, like the "first leaked" autopsy report where it said mj's body was riddled with needle marks. does anybody think this too?
My opinion is that the Autopsy Report is totally fake because of lots of reasons I won't go into in this post..
That is just another thing wrong with it that fact that MJ was "buried" on 09/03/09 (US date format)...yet the last page of the report says it was finalised on 09/09/09...surely they would have had to complete it before his burial.....they had long enough from when he died.
Another thing TIAI is redirecting to the info sheet on the LA Coroner. Should Craig Harvey's name be there somewhere or not?? because it isn't and all along he has been the main person being talked about in the media etc. I wonder if he still actually works there??
yeah good point. so many questions involved in this case
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@Purelove, IDK if TS will answer this, coz I feel that this is part of the script, you know?
But, please, let me give you an example about what the answer could be about: When we think about believing (in a higher force), many of us feel like our faith is tested from time to time. And what better way to find for bracing our faith than passing those tests with bright colors? These nonsense facts that seam to contradict our believings, have the role of training and binding our faith. We cannot find an explanation about why they happen, but meantime, struggling to understand them, we can find 1000 other reasons that confirm our believing, so instead of our faith to diminish as a result of all the questionable aspects, it becomes stronger. In the end we will not even pay attention on those things that could shake our faith, because we are going to be already "trained" and very well taught. :)
Well, I think the same pattern is applied here with all the aspects you mentioned before. Maybe in the end they will be revealed as "teaching" instruments. Minor traps placed there for us to learn something...just maybe. Hugs.
Hi ralu sweets. Actually I know it is. There're two kinds of people in this hoax. 1-The ones who know the hoax, never deny it and try to give us clues (like Kenny) 2-The ones who know the hoax but always deny the hoax, call us freaks (like most of them lol)
BUT there had to be the second type too otherwise everyone would have learnt about the hoax long time ago.
I didn't ask TS for myself because I DO know that Michael is alive 100% and why he did this etc. BUT I see people are losing their hopes. I try to explain them but it doesn't work. That's the reason why I asked TS to tell things about them. HUGS back at you :)
:) I know you know, but I felt the need of confirming this, you know? You mentioned the siblings before. As far as I know they didn't deny the hoax either. They have just spliter in 2 teams for the purpose of this "performance art" which we call a hoax. Otherwise, why didn't any of them come and say "Dear MJ fans, please stop fantasising about our brother being alive, coz he's definetely not, and you are just fooled by a bunch of proffitors that whant to take advantage from his death". Well? I find impossible to believe that they have no idea about the hoax theory.
As for the ones that loose hope, well, I think that what this beautiful hoax-experience tried to point from the beginning was that there is no other way to understand what is happening BUT through your own mind and eyes and heart. You can explain in all possible ways the reason of this hoax and the purpose of the different fishy events that appeares in the spotlight, but if your interlocutor doesn't actually FEEL it, THINK it, SEE it for hiself, he might agree with you, but will change his mind on the first sign of discrepancy. Ofcourse that the final purpose of the hoax is to make us applying this principle in every single aspect of our life, in every situation we have to deal with (think for yourself, look deep in your heart and do what it tells you it's right and fair, don't let yourself influenced by the media or other persons' opinions, when a whole world is wrong, you might be the one who's right). We often have the impression that we understood this, but we realize soon that we still need to practice IF we really want to learn and to apply those rules. Take for exemple the present TIAI redirect and this speaks volumes IMO. This is exactely what I try to point: unless you FEEL these "rules", you cannot apply them. Unless you FEEL MJ is alive, you will never actually believe this...maybe not even when you will have the chance to see him withyour own eyes.
Love & Peace to all of you. HUGS.
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@ralu
yep but I still believe that people need to hear the answer from TS. Not everyone is reading your posts or mine but most believers read TIAI Updates :) If the questions are answered, they will be less confused. But thanx for your replies. Hope you helped the ones who started to lose hope ;)
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@ralu
yep but I still believe that people need to hear the answer from TS. Not everyone is reading your posts or mine but most believers read TIAI Updates :) If the questions are answered, they will be less confused. But thanx for your replies. Hope you helped the ones who started to lose hope ;)
I agree we have to be there for those who need us. I just try to put out my thoughts and feelings for them, and I will always do this from now on, but I will not be too keen to make them see what I do. They are usually less confused for the moment, but not totally convinced about certain truths, so my conclusion is that they HAVE to find their own truths; they may wait fot TS or someone else to answer, but it will not be enough. This is what I try to advise the ones who lose hope: trust in your own mind and intuition. Have a moment with yourself, ignore all the other opinions for a moment and try to draw your own conclusion, your own truth. Then you wil feel better, nomatter what that conclusion will be about...Of course this is only MY conclusion and it is not necesarry the correst one. Hugs, Love & Peace
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Thank you for the redirect today! The video was very interesting as the analyst kept repeating that the jury may dismiss the case or they may not be any charges at all because of the drug, and that the Murrays refuse to comment on any source that is un-named-but will happy to answer any of the police's questions
And how there was supposed to be a THIRD meeting between the LAPD and Murray and it was POSTPONED (DELAYED) until further notice, but there is no debate
As you said, there have been many "delays" that have been quoted with this hoax
ARMY OF L.O.V.E.
The whole point of TuPac and Michael faking their deaths is to have people stop being puppets and believe everything the media says, insteda of listening to their music-watching their performances-and seeing what they're really about, what the truth is, and what they have to say about it.
Funny how those who speak out against the government, media, etc. are the "weird" ones they have to take down in court--but the truth evils and worse killers are the same ones who wanna keep these people under wraps and take them down. The truth always survives, just as these two great men have displayed "in the greatest demostration of freedom our nation has ever seen."
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je n ai plus le moral ; j arrete tout , j en ai marre des verites et contre verites, ça fait huit mois que je travaille toutes les nuits sans relache , j en ai marre des fakes et des personnes qui se font passer pour d autres et en plus je n arrive a convaincre personne , je suis fatiguee, je suis desolee je tenais a vous dire bonne continuation TS , mjalive999, souza ......... que dieu vous benisse tous bisous de normandie france
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For TS:
Dear TS,
i was reading this side thinking (on the begining) that u r just a guy, who spends a lot of time, investigating MJ hoax. Good-i have no time, so it was good to look at youtube channel and your side to compare.
But when u gave the 3rd upadate, i read once againe most of your previous posts. I was shocked. I undestood much more...i opened most of your links....(the most interesting was eastern eggs)...
I read a chronology part from your nr 3 update again and realized....u are also a part of a game, because it is a game, isn't it? (chronology solved all my questions) haha, the best one i have ever taken a part in.....good job - marketing....i have also worked a few years in marketing...
wow...i really belive that it must have taken years to prepare everything, MJ has gotten a lot of time since his last world tour...i belive that in every country there is someone like u working on similar web page, u gave links to many of them...haha, but this one seems to be the biggest....so, i admire your work and friendship with Michael....
Tell him please, that the game is nice, but...not many of us can play it all the time....we must work, we have families and responsibilities...so there is no much time to spend to STUDY all the time....tell Micheal, that the game was scary on the beginning (when he "died"), fascinating (revealing the hoax) but when it takes too long...players can be exhausted and some could finish the game...
of course there is much more important things covering the hoax, i mean reasons why Michael "died" and the way he turned people on important (NWO< Illuminati, planet etc.) subjects is extreme...and he succeded....
but for me the worst thing in life is disappointment....we all here count on Michael.....don't let him disappoint us by not coming back......i believe he will. (this is obvious he is alive)...cause he LOVES us, and he can't comedown us, can he?
So dear friends, i advise u to re read previous posts wrote by TS, when u read them now, they will have clues u could't see before, because i also was reading it from word to word, but all we have to do is to read between the words and open links....TS is also involved in THIS IS IT!!!
Good job TS, for me the case is solved....i try to be good investigator, cause my sister's husband is a prosecutor....and i love Thillers....:):):):):)
Yvonne
Dear Friends:
as i wrote before, this update gave me enough clues to know, how it will all end, sooner or later....i realized the final countdown has started. I understand people who are on emotional rollercoaster....25.06.2009 was a long time ago, but we all still live the case, especcially when Murray is in court,
but this what RALU wrote made me to think...maybe it must take some time more...to finish whole MJ's plan, until the Verdict of the court = V for Vendetta.
And still the eastern eggs are not found yet.....
i think that this TS's update gave so many clues, that lot of us understood all the plan and became exhoused of looking proofes MJ is ok and well and exhoused of fighting with NOT BELIEVERS, and that is the reason of their faith lost for a moment. But i think that they already came that crisis - positively, and even if they don't write posts here they still read TIAI.
Now the most important thing is to spread MJ's massage and understand our role (fans) in a hoax. As TS wrote in one of his posts:
"TS WROTE:
R27. “WHEN the Disciples Gathered Around Him …”
{http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2014:20&version=NKJV}
“However, WHEN the disciples gathered around him, he rose up and went into the city. And the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe.” (Acts 14:20, NKJV). As usual, not only was the quoted verse important, but also the context (previous verse): “Then Jews from Antioch and Iconium came there; and having persuaded the multitudes, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing him to be dead.”
Here again we have parallels, like with David: enemies trying to kill him, God saving him from death, yet they think that he is dead (like most think MJ is dead), and then a “resurrection” and return to public life (he rose up, etc).
Although many saw the parallels here, it seems that nobody noticed the key word “WHEN” (which is why I have emphasized it here). Do you want to see MJ return to public view? Of course, we all do! Then we need to “gather around him” by joining Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E. (see R28 & R39)."
So, i hope we - Belivers - are still on MJ's side and are ready TO BE THERE FOR HIM.
Yvonne
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....Your lovely father understood long time ago the moral of this story. I know there are many others that also understood it. BUT the particularity that made your daddy special for this world is that he dedicated all his life to the try of making everybody seeing this truth. He always found the best way to make this world remembering this precious thing, feeling it and whishing to carry it forward. The fact that he knew that the Evil is just the absence of God, helped him going on even in his worst days, because only by spreading God’s word and wisdom the Evil can be weakened.
Ralu:
these sentences are important, and the story is exellent !!! I wonder why newspapers don't print such stories to teach us and children what is important in life and how we should understand thing that sciens can't measure, instead of the rubbish i find in most of media's news. That is why i DON'T BUY NEWSPAPERS AT ALL. This is my fight with MEDIA. NO DEMAND = NO SUPPLY, economic states.
But regarding to Your statemnets: there are many more people who understand he truth and, f.e. me, i would like to join some kind of organization to HELP people and the world, but i don't know which ones i could trust, there are so many of fronts/covers for BAD business....MJ could create the one, where most people could act...from all over the world.....with responsibilities given.....THAT IS MY DREAM.....
if someone knows where i can join (i live in Poland, Europe) please let me know (You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login) on my email,
thank U Ralu again for great post!!!
MJ: I am still there for U,
Yvonne
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....Your lovely father understood long time ago the moral of this story. I know there are many others that also understood it. BUT the particularity that made your daddy special for this world is that he dedicated all his life to the try of making everybody seeing this truth. He always found the best way to make this world remembering this precious thing, feeling it and whishing to carry it forward. The fact that he knew that the Evil is just the absence of God, helped him going on even in his worst days, because only by spreading God’s word and wisdom the Evil can be weakened. [/color]
Ralu:
these sentences are important, and the story is exellent !!! I wonder why newspapers don't print such stories to teach us and children what is important in life and how we should understand things that scientists can't measure, instead of the rubbish i find in most of media's news. That is why i DON'T BUY NEWSPAPERS AT ALL. This is my fight with MEDIA. NO DEMAND = NO SUPPLY, economic says.
But regarding to Your statemnets: there are many more people who understand the truth, f.e. me, i would like to join some kind of organization to HELP people and the world, but i don't know which one i could trust, there are so many of fronts/covers for BAD business....MJ could create the one, where most people could act...from all over the world.....with responsibilities given.....THAT IS MY DREAM.....
if someone knows where i can join (i live in Poland, Europe) please let me know (You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login) on my email,
thank U Ralu again for great post!!!
MJ: I am still there for U,
Yvonne
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Friends,
please vote for Michael,
http://www.whopopular.com/Michael-Jackson (http://www.whopopular.com/Michael-Jackson)
Thank U, Yvonne
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@Yvonne, I'm humbled about your appreciation, thank you very much dear! I am really glad when people do understand me.
Regarding your wish of joyning some organisation, I must say I had the same dilema, until I made my choyce of starting my own action. I have no better idea for the moment, since people will always be suspicious towards organisations, from the very same reasons you've already mentioned. So, I knew that the ones who know me trust in me and I started my own personal donating campain: firs I addressed a letter to all my friends in which I asked them to join me in this try to make a difference. After receving so many enthusiastic responses I started the real thing. I looked for particular cases of ill children published on different sites, organizations' web sites etc, I personally cheked the reality of those cases, then I pleaded for them among my friends who responded to my call. The most important think was my friends doing the same thing, promoting that case forward, trusting that people still have their humanity and when they are sure about the need for which their help is asked, they offer it easily. Now, you could do the same thing if you want, or you could joyn a certain organization. Another think that brought me much light in my soul, even though is a pretty sad environment, was offering myself as voluntair for a cancer-ill children organization. Being there among the children with cancer, playing with them, treating them as normal children, was so good, because you can really feel their happyness that somebody still cares for them and considers them just like the other kids. Seeing those sad and suffering children suddenly becoming smiling and joyful, is so rewarding, I'm telling you.
All my love.
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Hi how are You all? i agree with YOu in that the message spreading is good to start now and by all thinhgs recycle buy organic food and vegetables as organic living can sustain the planet as no one can control with GM seeds that only last for the growers one year season for eg, don't suport all the big toxic cosmetic countries etcetc and just by saying Hi to everyone you meet be it in a way of smile hello lending a hand but I am trying to make every interaction taht I have be it animal human wahtever to be it psoitive even on the phone and like some said I don't watch the news or buy trash , the cruel ness is out of this world,and liek MJ said 'willing to sell your soul to get the story told' it's money talks and the more of us that spread the L.O.V.E the message jsut small ways is magic and wil change the world because if everyone did it the world would be a better place. so keep the faith andmuch love and MJ hugs to You all!!
take care
L.O.V.E
Michelle
oxoxoox
much peace and light !! ;)
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I posted this on another thread { viewtopic.php?f=72&t=27&start=1400 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=27&start=1400) }
but I thought I would copy it in this thread as well.......
Today’s TIAI redirection
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=27&start=125#p2255
to the picture of Michael with 777 on his shirt had me thinking:
Michael obviously wanted the 777 there for a reason, especially since it wasn’t there during the entirety of This Is It. He wanted us to notice it there.
I wondered if it is suggesting 7 months, 7 weeks, 7 days from his “death” on 25 June 2009.
Using inclusive reckoning (as explained by STUDY /TS in previous posts/updates) this takes us to the date of 21st March 2010.
21st March 2010 is the 45th anniversary of the date when the successful Selma to Montgomery Civil Rights march began in Alabama, USA in 1965. It went for 5 days and 4 nights and ended at the State Capitol Building in Montgomery, Alabama. The march covered 54 miles.
On the steps of the State Capitol Building is where Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his “How Long, Not Long” speech on 25th March 1965.
The Martin Luther King Jr. significance here is pretty obvious with relation to the message MJ has been trying to get us to understand all along with they “Don’t Really Care About Us” and being the constant significant theme since his “death”, the first clip which was released from TII after his “death”, the TIAI redirects, the Army of L.O.V.E. (peaceful, non-violent resistance), the dancing inmates to TDRCAU etc……
“In what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.”
The 21st March 2010 is also the day after the Northern Hemisphere Spring Equinox (this year the spring equinox occurs on 20th March – however in some years it does occur on 21st March)…i.e. the start of spring (growth, renewal, new life)
Also:
21/3/2010 adds up to 9
21/3/1965 ALSO adds up to 9
45th anniversary 4 + 5 = 9
5 days + 4 nights = 9
54 miles : 5 + 4 = 9
LOTS of 9’s there!!!!!
999 the number which STUDY/TS has talked about all along.
Just sayin’
:D :D :D
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very interesting since wordpress
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@TS
Ok, first of all I want to say that this is NOT a hate mail. I'm going to criticize TS a little bit. I’ve been reading all of the posts on this board for a long time and I decided to write. I read all of TIAI’s posts too. TIAI was the only reliable source for me until Murray’s case but later on things started to change. Let me explain this for you pls.
Ok, -TS says that he had “predictions” about the resurrection scene in TII. And I’m asking: ‘Was it so hard to predict this?’ I had already known myself that there was going to be a resurrection scene in the film.
-TS told us about the important days and how they can be related to Michael. And I’m saying: ‘Someone who knows Michael and his favorite 7s could tell us about the important days such as the funeral or the release date of the film, film’s poster etc.
-TS told us Michael’s relation with illuminati and NWO. And I’m saying, I had already known about them all and how they had been threatening Michael etc.
I’m NOT trying to underestimate the work of TS, yes the redirects and all of the writings are very clever BUT all of the “predictions” TS made, could be made by someone who has been following Michael’s life! If TS is really related to Michael and he exactly knows what’s going to happen when, why didn’t he warn us about the coming up trial on their last update?
TS first told us that Michael was going to come back after the public watched the film and learnt about the hoax. I’m asking all of you. What kind of proof was there in TII for all of the public to understand that Michael is alive? Only us, the believers investigated about Gilda and the meaning of spider and understood about it. Most of Michael’s fans didn’t even understand that those scenes were about resurrection. How could Michael pretend all public to understand the message of those scenes?
TS told us the first comeback day was the Halloween but it was postponed to January 25th. And it never happened. On TS’ last update, he wrote that the LAST delay is not going to take that long this time. It’s been 1,5 mounths already. And nothing happened. Besides we know that Jermaine is preparing a tribute for Michael in June 8th! I know that many tributes were cancelled but ‘what if’ this one is true? We need to think everything. If it is true, Michael is NOT coming back until summer!
TS told us the relation of TMZ and the hoax. Yes, it’s very easy to understand it from the news TMZ makes. BUT how do we know that TS is NOT an employee of TMZ? And if TMZ works for Michael, how come they call Michael as ‘Jacko’ and Blanket as ‘electric blanket’? What if some employee’s of TMZ were hired by SONY or AEG to keep the interest and attention high for better sales! We all know how the marketing works.
After very long 8 mounts, this has been such a very very exhausting journey for us all. And we’re the ones who investigate and try to understand everything about this. We had and still have many people who say that they’re related to Michael and the hoax. And there’re several theories. Some say Michael is in a coma and that explains family’s reaction and Murray is still a free man. Some say he was murdered by SONY-AEG or illuminati. Some say he died in 2005. Some say he’s alive but not coming back and some say he is alive and he will come back. There’s one thing that I’m sure of. WE’RE ALL SO TIRED and we need SPECIFIC things to make us sure that Michael is alive and healthy and about the time he’s coming back! We don’t want no more trials, tributes or delays for a comeback.
And to people who ask why the comeback is so important, I say there’s NOTHING more important than that for the most of us! BECAUSE we can never ever be sure Michael is alive and healthy until we see him in flesh and bone with our own eyes! I got his message about illuminati, media and all evil things BUT I don’t believe his message can be spread UNTIL HE COMES BACK! Noone believes us and they think that we’re all freaks. ONLY MICHAEL CAN PROVE THE OPPOSITE and after he comes back people will start to listen what we’re saying!
And I have a couple of questions in my mind. If Michael was going to come back soon, why did he decide to have Murray’s trial? Why Karen has been blaming Kenny and AEG? And why WHY did Randy Jackson joined Karen, and started to blame Kenny? People are sending hate tweets to Kenny. Would Michael want his fans to hate his 20 year long friend? Why does Kenny make a tweet like:”MJ left this world to us” and Gotham Chopra tells us to “Let him go!” ?
If you’re really someone close to Michael, you should give us the specific DETAILS TS, no more predictions please. We need to be sure that you’re not only a smart believer or a TMZ/SONY employee! And it would be appreciated if you and some others stop telling us to focus on the message and spread it instead of thinking about the come back day. YES, MICHAEL’S COME BACK DAY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, not only for us to be sure that he’s alive and fine but also for the sake of spreading the message to the entire world.
Thank You!
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@TS
Ok, first of all I want to say that this is NOT a hate mail. I'm going to criticize TS a little bit. I’ve been reading all of the posts on this board for a long time and I decided to write. I read all of TIAI’s posts too. TIAI was the only reliable source for me until Murray’s case but later on things started to change. Let me explain this for you pls.
Ok, -TS says that he had “predictions” about the resurrection scene in TII. And I’m asking: ‘Was it so hard to predict this?’ I had already known myself that there was going to be a resurrection scene in the film.
-TS told us about the important days and how they can be related to Michael. And I’m saying: ‘Someone who knows Michael and his favorite 7s could tell us about the important days such as the funeral or the release date of the film, film’s poster etc.
-TS told us Michael’s relation with illuminati and NWO. And I’m saying, I had already known about them all and how they had been threatening Michael etc.
I’m NOT trying to underestimate the work of TS, yes the redirects and all of the writings are very clever BUT all of the “predictions” TS made, could be made by someone who has been following Michael’s life! If TS is really related to Michael and he exactly knows what’s going to happen when, why didn’t he warn us about the coming up trial on their last update?
TS first told us that Michael was going to come back after the public watched the film and learnt about the hoax. I’m asking all of you. What kind of proof was there in TII for all of the public to understand that Michael is alive? Only us, the believers investigated about Gilda and the meaning of spider and understood about it. Most of Michael’s fans didn’t even understand that those scenes were about resurrection. How could Michael pretend all public to understand the message of those scenes?
TS told us the first comeback day was the Halloween but it was postponed to January 25th. And it never happened. On TS’ last update, he wrote that the LAST delay is not going to take that long this time. It’s been 1,5 mounths already. And nothing happened. Besides we know that Jermaine is preparing a tribute for Michael in June 8th! I know that many tributes were cancelled but ‘what if’ this one is true? We need to think everything. If it is true, Michael is NOT coming back until summer!
TS told us the relation of TMZ and the hoax. Yes, it’s very easy to understand it from the news TMZ makes. BUT how do we know that TS is NOT an employee of TMZ? And if TMZ works for Michael, how come they call Michael as ‘Jacko’ and Blanket as ‘electric blanket’? What if some employee’s of TMZ were hired by SONY or AEG to keep the interest and attention high for better sales! We all know how the marketing works.
After very long 8 mounts, this has been such a very very exhausting journey for us all. And we’re the ones who investigate and try to understand everything about this. We had and still have many people who say that they’re related to Michael and the hoax. And there’re several theories. Some say Michael is in a coma and that explains family’s reaction and Murray is still a free man. Some say he was murdered by SONY-AEG or illuminati. Some say he died in 2005. Some say he’s alive but not coming back and some say he is alive and he will come back. There’s one thing that I’m sure of. WE’RE ALL SO TIRED and we need SPECIFIC things to make us sure that Michael is alive and healthy and about the time he’s coming back! We don’t want no more trials, tributes or delays for a comeback.
And to people who ask why the comeback is so important, I say there’s NOTHING more important than that for the most of us! BECAUSE we can never ever be sure Michael is alive and healthy until we see him in flesh and bone with our own eyes! I got his message about illuminati, media and all evil things BUT I don’t believe his message can be spread UNTIL HE COMES BACK! Noone believes us and they think that we’re all freaks. ONLY MICHAEL CAN PROVE THE OPPOSITE and after he comes back people will start to listen what we’re saying!
And I have a couple of questions in my mind. If Michael was going to come back soon, why did he decide to have Murray’s trial? Why Karen has been blaming Kenny and AEG? And why WHY did Randy Jackson joined Karen, and started to blame Kenny? People are sending hate tweets to Kenny. Would Michael want his fans to hate his 20 year long friend? Why does Kenny make a tweet like:”MJ left this world to us” and Gotham Chopra tells us to “Let him go!” ?
If you’re really someone close to Michael, you should give us the specific DETAILS TS, no more predictions please. We need to be sure that you’re not only a smart believer or a TMZ/SONY employee! And it would be appreciated if you and some others stop telling us to focus on the message and spread it instead of thinking about the come back day. YES, MICHAEL’S COME BACK DAY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, not only for us to be sure that he’s alive and fine but also for the sake of spreading the message to the entire world.
Thank You!
I appreciate your passionate writing! I have put a deadline for myself ; july 2010.
I put trust in TS, TS is an offer to me. There are fans who have not followed MJs life in detail, so for them it is like a summary, sure we would have come to similar results without TS.But like this it is a little help, and an inspiration to believe.
After 8 Months I landed on a particular track in this whole case. I see reasons to believe.
I see what this has done to my own person and to my life. It is an enriching experience, a great adventure, nothing to be nervous about!. I focuss on issues that I did not see so clear before June 25. This confrontation with MJ and the themes surrounding his life and his person have lead me to wanting to reformulate the spell in my own life.
I also have had my doubts about the many details in clues and how someone who is not so deeply involved in this case could discover them. BUT, there are things that obviously are strange at first sight. Like only one picture of MJ, and that only one is now called fake by Brian Oxman. Like no obvious grave that can be visited by fans. In TII, after the credits, is at least one very obvious sign that make you think. I`ll be back in my own time... And so on, in general, things surrounding 25th June are mysterious and that is something that is being captured by many people.
The reason for the CM trial is complex and exhausting. As long as I am believing, I stick to my trust in a good reason for this and for MJ. It will reveal during the coming up months.We already put a lot of fantasy and logical thinking in the why`s of it, we have reasons to believe. Only the final evidence is missing. If it comes out that people from AEG, Sony, TMZ (Phillips, Branca, Dileo, Ortega and IDK how many others come into question), have maliciously fooled us, I still will look back on an enriching experience and will even have more reason to fight for truth and justice for MJ and in the world.
My gut ( on an argumentive base)tells me it is not going to take ages anymore and these last months maybe the hardest, but after 8 months we will do these last miles, I am very sure, no matter the outcome, we are not alone,we are here together. Hug you all!! :P
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I appreciate your passionate writing! I have put a deadline for myself ; july 2010.
I put trust in TS, TS is an offer to me. There are fans who have not followed MJs life in detail, so for them it is like a summary, sure we would have come to similar results without TS.But like this it is a little help, and an inspiration to believe.
After 8 Months I landed on a particular track in this whole case. I see reasons to believe.
I see what this has done to my own person and to my life. It is an enriching experience, a great adventure, nothing to be nervous about!. I focuss on issues that I did not see so clear before June 25. This confrontation with MJ and the themes surrounding his life and his person have lead me to wanting to reformulate the spell in my own life.
I also have had my doubts about the many details in clues and how someone who is not so deeply involved in this case could discover them. BUT, there are things that obviously are strange at first sight. Like only one picture of MJ, and that only one is now called fake by Brian Oxman. Like no obvious grave that can be visited by fans. In TII, after the credits, is at least one very obvious sign that make you think. I`ll be back in my own time... And so on, in general, things surrounding 25th June are mysterious and that is something that is being captured by many people.
The reason for the CM trial is complex and exhausting. As long as I am believing, I stick to my trust in a good reason for this and for MJ. It will reveal during the coming up months.We already put a lot of fantasy and logical thinking in the why`s of it, we have reasons to believe. Only the final evidence is missing. If it comes out that people from AEG, Sony, TMZ (Phillips, Branca, Dileo, Ortega and IDK how many others come into question), have maliciously fooled us, I still will look back on an enriching experience and will even have more reason to fight for truth and justice for MJ and in the world.
My gut ( on an argumentive base)tells me it is not going to take ages anymore and these last months maybe the hardest, but after 8 months we will do these last miles, I am very sure, no matter the outcome, we are not alone,we are here together. Hug you all!! :P
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with me. I appreciate it. There're very obvious things that I realized which proves this is a hoax BUT when I think about them; for example about after the credits part was that Michael who was saying "I'll come back in my own time"? There were doubles in TII and that part was shot from a distance. It wasn't a close up shot. One of the dancers says that Michael was with them for ONLY A DAY! That's what scares me. What if they used doubles to give us those "special clues" in TII to sell the movie? Anything can happen when it comes to earning money, you know. I'm so scared if this is a big conspiracy that the USA Government is in it too. I hope Michael is alive and fine really. But after all these long 8 mounths I must confess that I started to lose my hope.
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Anxiety is a state that some people want to get you in for their purpose.The people who would like to be mighty over you so that you stay there where you are,stunned.And stop thinking.
Don`t let it happen to you,open up and live love,live Mikes message.Have courage to do good,don`t be scary. If we are being fooled, now see through!Even If Michael really died, his message is there. Take it as a gift, a chance and continue the legacy.
We are all connected, we are all one and we will stay together!
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There were doubles in TII and that part was shot from a distance. It wasn't a close up shot. One of the dancers says that Michael was with them for ONLY A DAY! That's what scares me. What if they used doubles to give us those "special clues" in TII to sell the movie? Anything can happen when it comes to earning money, you know.
It doesn't sound logical to use doubles in This just to generate more $$$. Just a small percentage of the world population are believers. The majority of believers are fans anyway, so they would, next to the thousands and thousands of fans who have no idea about the hoax, go see the movie and buy the DVD anyway.
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RestlessSoul, this is my opinion. Michael spoke of a conspiracy, some family members have talked of a conspiracy.
Perhaps the scenes of the movie were not understood or people just ignored them, as they paid no attention to the fact that the end does not appear Rip 1958-2009.
I do not think Sony have contract-AEG TMZ, Because then you do not think it's a single employee, it also recalls that most fans think that Michael died.
RestlessSoul, this is my opinion. Michael spoke of a conspiracy, some family members have talked of a conspiracy.
Perhaps the scenes of the movie were not understood or people just ignored them, as they paid no attention to the fact that the end does not appear Rip 1958-2009.
I do not think Sony have contract-AEG TMZ, Because then you do not think it's a single employee, it also recalls that most fans think that Michael died.
When you say this has been a tough journey, you are right, I think we all felt exhausted at some point.
I do not think Michael is in a coma, I think it is a crime if a person dies Because of an irresponsible doctor, just as it is a crime a person from being in a coma Because of that physician. I do not think SONY-AEG have held around the Memorial and burial, why an unmarked grave?, Why no photos definitely different from that tomb?.
Yes, I agree we need specific things to make sure that Michael is alive.
On the subject of the Illuminati, many people do not pay attention to these things.
... and Karen, I definitely do not understand it, by telling her make-up the corpse ", as I dare say, the family knew that there would be no open casket.
As for the trial of Murray, Michael said he had wanted to kill people who, perhaps as one person in another thread, this trial is only so that all attention is focused on Murray, and insights to or people wanting to kill Michael. :geek:
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"Patiance, patiance my friends..."
yes,yes Ralu !!!
and "things are not always what they seam to be", nor do they always go as planned.
I can't get w/all this # stuff...too many tangents for me.
Of course C "Murray" had an agreement with MJ.
Preliminary hearing scheduled for 4-5-10.
My gut feeling has been (since TIAI re-direct of 2010 calender) a peak return begin of April.
A few months w/his children; a simmer (hoping & praying it will play out as a simmer)
then "bam" maybe July.
God's speed, Michael...
remember the scene in TII when he was adjusting his earphone ?
I beLIEve that this was meant too be quite significant...[attachment=0:1d12e8e3]Copy of best TII close-up- MJmyspace photos- l_5c83689ae2a04684af77fa83daa5abfd.jpg[/attachment:1d12e8e3]
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This is a long, but very touching story which I whish to offer you as a birthday present, Prince-Michael. It is not mine and, unfortunately I don’t know who wrote it in the first place, so I can’t give any credit for it. I’ve just received it the same way that I am sending it to you now. Please excuse the modest translation from Romanian. I know it is not the best wording, but I also know you will understand the message.....
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Dear Prince, be strong and proud and pure, keep the faith and whatever happens follow your own way, listen to your call. I know some people could have high expectation from you, due to the overwhelming standards of your father, but please do not let yourself discouraged by this comparison. Each of us is unique in his own way and God let every one of us with a special purpose on this Earth … when you will figure out which one is yours, you will know it and you will follow it and you will shine just as beautiful as your daddy, or maybe even better. God bless you and your wonderful family! Happy Birthday!
Bravo! That was absolutely beautiful.