Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: whozbad10 on February 02, 2010, 08:09:38 PM
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(http://i46.tinypic.com/2w3njww.jpg)
this is michael right here. I searched and searched and i found him.
here is the video like...at 5 mins you can look in the upper right corner and see him...holding the mic and stomping his foot...this is mike. At the end of this song he changed up the lyrics. The original lyrics were what about death...would we give a damn....the lyrics said here at the end of the song were "What if I lived again....would you give a damn" ....Make fullscreen so you can really see. he has the striped pants on...and he holds the mic just like he does when he is singing and gets emotional. I am no longer skeptical.... the K.O.P is alive. :D :shock: 8-) :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91vY9QLQOYk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91vY9QLQOYk)
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better flip
(http://i49.tinypic.com/25p4d9e.jpg)
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I enlarged the second pic, and I can see an image but it looks as though he is standing bow leggedly on the left leg. Not clear enough to say for sure that it is Michael.
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my computer is running to slow to play the video...does anyone see it for real? be honest i dont wanna get my hopes up on this
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it is real... me and my fam have watched it hundreds of times to be sure
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whozbad10, Thanks for the pictures. You can tell from these images that it is MJ? How?
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he stomps his foot in the video...i show the image so you know where to look in the vid. you have to see the vid to see that it has to be michael...he holds the mic and the movements jus look like his
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I don't even see anything moving.
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this person is moving...u see the arm n the whole body
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I don't even see anything moving.
Neither do I :(
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full screen the vid... it helps
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I'm sorry but this is ridiculous...there is a figure but it could a light person...it could be a production person...it could be anybody. This post is so misleading you have provided not one shread of evidence. There is no zoom in photo enhancement and Mike would never make his presence so obvious. He was inconspicuous and walked amongst everyday people all the time without being noticed. The whole entertainment industry is not in on the hoax with Mike. They believe he is gone too. This is not logical....I'm sorry.
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full screen the vid... it helps
I do see something moving but isn't that a screen? and If it is it doesn't look like any of the other performers I though maybe Celine but I don't know :?
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whozbad10, Could it not be a video recording of MJ. How do you know it is live pictures of MJ simultanaeously performing with singers on stage?
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if you can believe an old man is mike.... yet u cant believe this is. He even changed the lyrics at the end....did u hear that?
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its not a picture.... there is no screen up there. its a place to stand
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No, I am sorry...I disagree....believing and having facts are two different things. People believe in the tooth fairy. This site was a site that use to piece together the evidence. I am sorry but this is wishful thinking and when you want to see something you will see what you want to see. The mind is powerful enough to provide you with illusions if you think of something long enough.
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Lols i saw it and i hope it's him lols i didn't see at first but when i focused i saw it :D :D :D I'm really hoping it's him but not getting my hopes up toooo much ;)
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isnt everything we post wishful thinking....correct? Dont be so close minded.
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(http://i46.tinypic.com/2w3njww.jpg)
this is michael right here. I searched and searched and i found him.
here is the video like...at 5 mins you can look in the upper right corner and see him...holding the mic and stomping his foot...this is mike. At the end of this song he changed up the lyrics. The original lyrics were what about death...would we give a damn....the lyrics said here at the end of the song were "What if I lived again....would you give a damn" ....Make fullscreen so you can really see. he has the striped pants on...and he holds the mic just like he does when he is singing and gets emotional. I am no longer skeptical.... the K.O.P is alive. :D :shock: 8-) :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91vY9QLQOYk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91vY9QLQOYk)
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omg i think you might be on to something, i cant tell weather its mj, but i def saw something moving up there :S i sure hope it was him XD
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I'm sorry but this is ridiculous...there is a figure but it could a light person...it could be a production person...it could be anybody. This post is so misleading you have provided not one shread of evidence. There is no zoom in photo enhancement and Mike would never make his presence so obvious. He was inconspicuous and walked amongst everyday people all the time without being noticed. The whole entertainment industry is not in on the hoax with Mike. They believe he is gone too. This is not logical....I'm sorry.
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I must thank you and I am really glad that here are some critical voices here which do not jump on any information and believe this is the truth! The picture and the video are not clear enough to say that it is Michael. THIS IS IT for me. I wish that people could be more realistic here but everyone has his own opinion...
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whozbad10, I want to believe in what you're saying. How can you tell it is a place for someone to stand and not a screen? You must have very good eyes. :)
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isnt everything we post wishful thinking....correct? Dont be so close minded.
Well maybe if it is him which I don't know ppl wouldn't have seen him probably since they were focused on the video and the artists And if ppl did see him they wouldn't think it was him
But I'm not sure it is him :?
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look at the feet...how do u think people get up there to place the lights...there are places to stand....n he had to be out of sight.... look I am trying to have faith....as a fan we all should.... its worth believing because of the lyrics and the visual... sure it may not be clear but its pretty coinsidental
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:lol: this thread is killing me softly. But all's fair in love (Michael) and war (the mind is a terrible thing to waste). We really use ours in this house and it's all good. I love it :mrgreen:
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I'm sorry but this is ridiculous...there is a figure but it could a light person...it could be a production person...it could be anybody. This post is so misleading you have provided not one shread of evidence. There is no zoom in photo enhancement and Mike would never make his presence so obvious. He was inconspicuous and walked amongst everyday people all the time without being noticed. The whole entertainment industry is not in on the hoax with Mike. They believe he is gone too. This is not logical....I'm sorry.
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I;m sorry did you know him personally ? cause you missed out that info to everyone on this forum. don;t say he wouldn't , or he would never YOU DON;T KNOW MICHAEL, none of us do, michael is smart and he knows what hes doing and to say he wudnt do that or he would never do that or make that obvious, maybe he would? none of us knew him personally so quit it with that crap!, noone would expect him to be so open so maybe hes doing things that people dont think he would do like show himself like that. how do we know anything for sure or weather or not he would do something. stop acting like you know what actions he would and wouldn't do considering you don't know him!!!
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This is what I saw, please tell me if any of you saw the same:
It looks like possibly a thin-ish man facing the left of the screen wearing a white t-shirt and darker colored pants.
I didn't make out anyone singing or dancing, but I think there is arm movement with their left arm?
I wouldn't say that it was positively MJ because I can't see clear enough.
I also don't think that he would show up to an awards show in a t-shirt even if he's going incognito. :P
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I'm sorry but this is ridiculous...there is a figure but it could a light person...it could be a production person...it could be anybody. This post is so misleading you have provided not one shread of evidence. There is no zoom in photo enhancement and Mike would never make his presence so obvious. He was inconspicuous and walked amongst everyday people all the time without being noticed. The whole entertainment industry is not in on the hoax with Mike. They believe he is gone too. This is not logical....I'm sorry.
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I must thank you and I am really glad that here are some critical voices here which do not jump on any information and believe this is the truth! The picture and the video are not clear enough to say that it is Michael. THIS IS IT for me. I wish that people could be more realistic here but everyone has his own opinion...
You are most welcome....I miss the days when the site provided concrete evidence...scren shots that were zoomed in...dissected...enhanced...materials use to be looked at with a FINE tooth comb and a MICROSCOPE. Now people just put anything up and get poor, gullible fans whose hearts are broken to buy into this. People need hard core evidence and ANSWERS....not FAIRYTALES...wishes and dreams.
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I'm sorry but this is ridiculous...there is a figure but it could a light person...it could be a production person...it could be anybody. This post is so misleading you have provided not one shread of evidence. There is no zoom in photo enhancement and Mike would never make his presence so obvious. He was inconspicuous and walked amongst everyday people all the time without being noticed. The whole entertainment industry is not in on the hoax with Mike. They believe he is gone too. This is not logical....I'm sorry.
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I;m sorry did you know him personally ? cause you missed out that info to everyone on this forum. don;t say he wouldn't , or he would never YOU DON;T KNOW MICHAEL, none of us do, michael is smart and he knows what hes doing and to say he wudnt do that or he would never do that or make that obvious, maybe he would? none of us knew him personally so quit it with that crap!, noone would expect him to be so open so maybe hes doing things that people dont think he would do like show himself like that. how do we know anything for sure or weather or not he would do something. stop acting like you know what actions he would and wouldn't do considering you don't know him!!!
Dear, you really don't know who knows who or what....don't try to shift the topic off of the facts. This is what happens ALLLLLLL the time. When a person can not refute the critique, they attack the person. This is not realistic. There is no evidence provided in the video that it is MJ. Where is the FORENSIC inquiry that use to exist in the early days.....???????
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(http://i46.tinypic.com/2w3njww.jpg)
this is michael right here. I searched and searched and i found him.
here is the video like...at 5 mins you can look in the upper right corner and see him...holding the mic and stomping his foot...this is mike. At the end of this song he changed up the lyrics. The original lyrics were what about death...would we give a damn....the lyrics said here at the end of the song were "What if I lived again....would you give a damn" ....Make fullscreen so you can really see. he has the striped pants on...and he holds the mic just like he does when he is singing and gets emotional. I am no longer skeptical.... the K.O.P is alive. :D :shock: 8-) :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91vY9QLQOYk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91vY9QLQOYk)
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okay i re watched it and when it stops after the 5 mark you can clearly see that spot, and i def see someone dancing, hes def moving like hes dancing, it could easily be him
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I don't agree. I see nothing. probably a the video producer.
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I'm sorry but this is ridiculous...there is a figure but it could a light person...it could be a production person...it could be anybody. This post is so misleading you have provided not one shread of evidence. There is no zoom in photo enhancement and Mike would never make his presence so obvious. He was inconspicuous and walked amongst everyday people all the time without being noticed. The whole entertainment industry is not in on the hoax with Mike. They believe he is gone too. This is not logical....I'm sorry.
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I;m sorry did you know him personally ? cause you missed out that info to everyone on this forum. don;t say he wouldn't , or he would never YOU DON;T KNOW MICHAEL, none of us do, michael is smart and he knows what hes doing and to say he wudnt do that or he would never do that or make that obvious, maybe he would? none of us knew him personally so quit it with that crap!, noone would expect him to be so open so maybe hes doing things that people dont think he would do like show himself like that. how do we know anything for sure or weather or not he would do something. stop acting like you know what actions he would and wouldn't do considering you don't know him!!!
THANK YOU!
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I don't agree. I see nothing. probably a the video producer.
you would have very good vision i wear glasses and i def see someone kinda dancing :)
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I'm sorry but this is ridiculous...there is a figure but it could a light person...it could be a production person...it could be anybody. This post is so misleading you have provided not one shread of evidence. There is no zoom in photo enhancement and Mike would never make his presence so obvious. He was inconspicuous and walked amongst everyday people all the time without being noticed. The whole entertainment industry is not in on the hoax with Mike. They believe he is gone too. This is not logical....I'm sorry.
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I;m sorry did you know him personally ? cause you missed out that info to everyone on this forum. don;t say he wouldn't , or he would never YOU DON;T KNOW MICHAEL, none of us do, michael is smart and he knows what hes doing and to say he wudnt do that or he would never do that or make that obvious, maybe he would? none of us knew him personally so quit it with that crap!, noone would expect him to be so open so maybe hes doing things that people dont think he would do like show himself like that. how do we know anything for sure or weather or not he would do something. stop acting like you know what actions he would and wouldn't do considering you don't know him!!!
THANK YOU!
your welcome and omg your right i def heard what if i live again he def changed the lyrics :)
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I will have to listen again but what I am most focused on here to begin before going any further is wether or nor the lyrics are changed. I couldn't make it out, I will have to listen again, now the lyrics changing is that near the end as well, after the 5 minute mark?
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I'm sorry but this is ridiculous...there is a figure but it could a light person...it could be a production person...it could be anybody. This post is so misleading you have provided not one shread of evidence. There is no zoom in photo enhancement and Mike would never make his presence so obvious. He was inconspicuous and walked amongst everyday people all the time without being noticed. The whole entertainment industry is not in on the hoax with Mike. They believe he is gone too. This is not logical....I'm sorry.
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I;m sorry did you know him personally ? cause you missed out that info to everyone on this forum. don;t say he wouldn't , or he would never YOU DON;T KNOW MICHAEL, none of us do, michael is smart and he knows what hes doing and to say he wudnt do that or he would never do that or make that obvious, maybe he would? none of us knew him personally so quit it with that crap!, noone would expect him to be so open so maybe hes doing things that people dont think he would do like show himself like that. how do we know anything for sure or weather or not he would do something. stop acting like you know what actions he would and wouldn't do considering you don't know him!!!
THANK YOU!
You still haven't clearly showed us Michael Jackson as your post falsely claims! I am very angry and disturbed by this thread because my hopes were up and you produced smoke and mirrors! You lied about this thread topic. There is no MJ on this video. It could be a CURTAIN for all we know.
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I will have to listen again but what I am most focused on here to begin before going any further is wether or nor the lyrics are changed. I couldn't make it out, I will have to listen again, now the lyrics changing is that near the end as well, after the 5 minute mark?
yes its towards the end
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If your so angry...dont read it Truth
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I will have to listen again but what I am most focused on here to begin before going any further is wether or nor the lyrics are changed. I couldn't make it out, I will have to listen again, now the lyrics changing is that near the end as well, after the 5 minute mark?
yes at the very end of the song :D
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I'm sorry but this is ridiculous...there is a figure but it could a light person...it could be a production person...it could be anybody. This post is so misleading you have provided not one shread of evidence. There is no zoom in photo enhancement and Mike would never make his presence so obvious. He was inconspicuous and walked amongst everyday people all the time without being noticed. The whole entertainment industry is not in on the hoax with Mike. They believe he is gone too. This is not logical....I'm sorry.
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I;m sorry did you know him personally ? cause you missed out that info to everyone on this forum. don;t say he wouldn't , or he would never YOU DON;T KNOW MICHAEL, none of us do, michael is smart and he knows what hes doing and to say he wudnt do that or he would never do that or make that obvious, maybe he would? none of us knew him personally so quit it with that crap!, noone would expect him to be so open so maybe hes doing things that people dont think he would do like show himself like that. how do we know anything for sure or weather or not he would do something. stop acting like you know what actions he would and wouldn't do considering you don't know him!!!
THANK YOU!
You still haven't clearly showed us Michael Jackson as your post falsely claims! I am very angry and disturbed by this thread because my hopes were up and you produced smoke and mirrors! You lied about this thread topic. There is no MJ on this video. It could be a CURTAIN for all we know.
well she has the right to post what she BELIEVES, we dont need proof right now were looking for clues related to the hoax and if she believes that its mj than she can post about it , theres nothing against posting your beliefs thats what this forum if for and i suggest if it bothers you so much that you simply ignore the thread and stay off it everyone is entitled to post what they feel or find.
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Ok the "Investigators" are his fans... us... we dont need forensics... or DNA... even the police dont have that. So we go on hopes and visuals.... I have been a fan all my life. I am just showing people what I would want someone to show me.
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This is what I saw, please tell me if any of you saw the same:
It looks like possibly a thin-ish man facing the left of the screen wearing a white t-shirt and darker colored pants.
I didn't make out anyone singing or dancing, but I think there is arm movement with their left arm?
I wouldn't say that it was positively MJ because I can't see clear enough.
I also don't think that he would show up to an awards show in a t-shirt even if he's going incognito. :P
But I think we must also ask ourselves a very good question here. If most agree there is someone up there, who on earth, wich artist would go up there and stand in the dark to sing the song? I thought perhaps one of the Jackson brothers but then again I am sure that person would rather be on stage with the other performers rather than stand up there where nobody is paying attention. :? That makes no sense either. :?: :roll:
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This is what I saw, please tell me if any of you saw the same:
It looks like possibly a thin-ish man facing the left of the screen wearing a white t-shirt and darker colored pants.
I didn't make out anyone singing or dancing, but I think there is arm movement with their left arm?
I wouldn't say that it was positively MJ because I can't see clear enough.
I also don't think that he would show up to an awards show in a t-shirt even if he's going incognito. :P
But I think we must also ask ourselves a very good question here. If most agree there is someone up there, who on earth, wich artist would go up there and stand in the dark to sing the song? I thought perhaps one of the Jackson brothers but then again I am sure that person would rather be on stage with the other performers rather than stand up there where nobody is paying attention. :? That makes no sense either. :?: :roll:
not unless he was hiding or trying no to be as noticed.
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heres the video in the best quality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91vY9QLQOYk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91vY9QLQOYk)
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Don't jump to conclusions.
I agree with truth_freedom.
We need to zoom in and dissect this before we even think it could be Michael.
Does anyone here have good enough technology and whatever to get a good zoomed-in picture?
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Don't jump to conclusions.
I agree with truth_freedom.
We need to zoom in and dissect this before we even think it could be Michael.
Does anyone here have good enough technology and whatever to get a good zoomed-in picture?
i can try in photoshop?
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This is what I saw, please tell me if any of you saw the same:
It looks like possibly a thin-ish man facing the left of the screen wearing a white t-shirt and darker colored pants.
I didn't make out anyone singing or dancing, but I think there is arm movement with their left arm?
I wouldn't say that it was positively MJ because I can't see clear enough.
I also don't think that he would show up to an awards show in a t-shirt even if he's going incognito. :P
But I think we must also ask ourselves a very good question here. If most agree there is someone up there, who on earth, wich artist would go up there and stand in the dark to sing the song? I thought perhaps one of the Jackson brothers but then again I am sure that person would rather be on stage with the other performers rather than stand up there where nobody is paying attention. :? That makes no sense either. :?: :roll:
Honestly, I couldn't make out if someone was up there singing or not?
I could only make out what I saw - probably a man, thin, white shirt, facing the left, arm movement - which could be anybody doing anything. :?
On the other hand, I **DID** hear the different lyrics. :D
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I will have to listen again but what I am most focused on here to begin before going any further is wether or nor the lyrics are changed. I couldn't make it out, I will have to listen again, now the lyrics changing is that near the end as well, after the 5 minute mark?
yes its towards the end
:o :shock: :o :shock:
Ok well I definetly hear the change in lyrics now and I think he actually says it twice. OMG!!!! I think this could be a breakthrough no matter if it is Michael or not standing up there. Come on everybody let's use our common sense here, why would Michael pre-record those lyrics before "dying"? Other wise why would he change the lyrics for the concerts to "what is I live again?" I swear we clearly hear it... My mind is racing a hundred miles an hour now :mrgreen:
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I sharpened the picture to the max and i agree with that girl i def see a white shirt :)
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Don't jump to conclusions.
I agree with truth_freedom.
We need to zoom in and dissect this before we even think it could be Michael.
Does anyone here have good enough technology and whatever to get a good zoomed-in picture?
i can try in photoshop?
Okay thank you! I would do it myself but Im writing this on my iPod Touch because my parents wont let me use my computer.
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I sharpened the picture to the max and i agree with that girl i def see a white shirt :)
Yay! Somebody else saw it! :D
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I am going to try and enhance the image if i can
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I don't agree. I see nothing. probably a the video producer.
you would have very good vision i wear glasses and i def see someone kinda dancing :)
Why should he dance if noone see him...does not make any sense to me. He just could stand there and sing (if he was there which I do not believe the video is not clear enought to prove that it was Michael). I do not understand why people jump on this story, maybe because someone wrote it...
"Just because it is print it does not mean its the gospel"
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I have to say that this is one of, if not thee most impressive finds thus so far.
I have to say that in a a previous topic wherein folks where discusses the lyrics "what if im alive", etc., that I was positive MJ did not sing that verse.
However, it seems to me that he had indeed sung it. The clip you provided absolutely shows someone upstage. I viewed it a few types enlarged & I must agree.
I also noticed that when the lyrics from MJ were sung, the other stars all turned & looked in that exact direction IMO, with the exception of one.
I am not in any way familiar with such shows, but I would like to know why any single individual would be in that particular spot during the show?
This will be extremely interesting to me to pursue.
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I sharpened the picture to the max and i agree with that girl i def see a white shirt :)
Yay! Somebody else saw it! :D
I see the white shirt too.
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whozbad10, With your heading on this thread you certainly got our attention. But you make it sound like a fact. Don't go all tabloid on us. ;)
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Don't jump to conclusions.
I agree with truth_freedom.
We need to zoom in and dissect this before we even think it could be Michael.
Does anyone here have good enough technology and whatever to get a good zoomed-in picture?
i can try in photoshop?
Okay thank you! I would do it myself but Im writing this on my iPod Touch because my parents wont let me use my computer.
using ipod touch to lol...trying my best
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Can anyboddy tell me how to zoom into pictures? Im very computer ILLiterate and proud. NOT. :D
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okay so photoshop made the photo way to blurry but i did sharpen it and i def see a white shirt like one girl mentioned.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/14mvssh.jpg)
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I also noticed that when the lyrics from MJ were sung, the other stars all turned & looked in that exact direction IMO, with the exception of one.
So you mean to tell me that EVERYBODY, including the proformers and the entire entertainment industry is "in" on the hoax???
God help you...... :(
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Can anyboddy tell me how to zoom into pictures? Im very computer ILLiterate and proud. NOT. :D
it depends on what program your using try increasing the size of it
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no michaels friends are in on the hoax.... he knew ppl... not everyone knows... but im sure his friends know
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Don't jump to conclusions.
I agree with truth_freedom.
We need to zoom in and dissect this before we even think it could be Michael.
Does anyone here have good enough technology and whatever to get a good zoomed-in picture?
i can try in photoshop?
Okay thank you! I would do it myself but Im writing this on my iPod Touch because my parents wont let me use my computer.
using ipod touch to lol...trying my best
Oh my gosh I thought I was the only one! lol it's very difficult isn't it!
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I also noticed that when the lyrics from MJ were sung, the other stars all turned & looked in that exact direction IMO, with the exception of one.
So you mean to tell me that EVERYBODY, including the proformers and the entire entertainment industry is "in" on the hoax???
God help you...... :(
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I so understand and support you. You are not alone
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I also noticed that when the lyrics from MJ were sung, the other stars all turned & looked in that exact direction IMO, with the exception of one.
So you mean to tell me that EVERYBODY, including the proformers and the entire entertainment industry is "in" on the hoax???
God help you...... :(
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Haha I noticed them looking too. I think Ushers in on it he tweeted about meeting with a king.
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ok to all that do not see any thing, i did not see anything a first too, but i replayed it over and over and then i saw it, it's fuzzy but it's there. remember that everything that maybe about the hoax needs to be posted. sometimes the hoax is a team effort and needs many people to crack it. do not bash a person that posts something because they may find something that is a big time clue and be afraid to post it. this is not strong but it is something to look at.
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okay so photoshop made the photo way to blurry but i did sharpen it and i def see a white shirt like one girl mentioned.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/14mvssh.jpg)
did any of the celebs on stage seem to look to their upper LEFT at all? I mean something like Mj standing up there would definitely catch their attention even if they knew he was up there. Althought the way the lights are positioned and their brightness could possibly obstruct the celebs view from seeing any kinda of a figure.
Kinda reminds me of the Phantom of the Opera.
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okay so photoshop made the photo way to blurry but i did sharpen it and i def see a white shirt like one girl mentioned.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/14mvssh.jpg)
did any of the celebs on stage seem to look to their upper right at all? I mean something like Mj standing up there would definitely catch their attention even if they knew he was up there. Althought the way the lights are positioned and their brightness could possibly obstruct the celebs view from seeing any kinda of a figure.
Kinda reminds me of the Phantom of the Opera.
i think they did at one point they all looked there but im not sure.
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Kinda reminds me of the Phantom of the Opera.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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It is true....the last 2 lines in the song were changed by Michael. The original lyrics read:
"What about death again"
"Do we give a damn"
Michael sang this at the grammy's:
"What if I live again."
"Do you give a damn"
Whether or not it is him up there in that camera box or whatever is not relevant to me. The lyric change is huge and indication enough that he is alive. Alive, I say!!!! ALIVE!!!!!
If you wish to check this out for yourself it is at 6:42----nearly the very end of the YouTube video. Oh my gosh, it is so worth checking out!!!!!
Love you Michael!!! ;)
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It is true....the last 2 lines in the song were changed by Michael. The original lyrics read:
"What about death again"
"Do we give a damn"
Michael sang this at the grammy's:
"What if I live again."
"Do you give a damn"
Whether or not it is him up there in that camera box or whatever is not relevant to me. The lyric change is huge and indication enough that he is alive. Alive, I say!!!! ALIVE!!!!!
If you wish to check this out for yourself it is at 6:42----nearly the very end of the YouTube video. Oh my gosh, it is so worth checking out!!!!!
Love you Michael!!!1
yes its like all you hear youd have to be clueless to miss that big ass line hahaha:)
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I zoomed in to 400% on the pic that jackson girl shapened. I dont see a white t-shirt, what I see is someone sitting on something legs kinda spread out a little and head down kinda if looking at it's feet. Can anybody else here try that and tell me if it's what they see.
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I zoomed in to 400% on the pic that jackson girl shapened. I dont see a white t-shirt, what I see is someone sitting on something legs kinda spread out a little and head down kinda if looking at it's feet. Can anybody else here try that and tell me if it's what they see.
i see someone standing and what looks like a white shirt :P your way off of my guess haha its all good everyone will see something different :P
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ok to all that do not see any thing, i did not see anything a first too, but i replayed it over and over and then i saw it, it's fuzzy but it's there. remember that everything that maybe about the hoax needs to be posted. sometimes the hoax is a team effort and needs many people to crack it. do not bash a person that posts something because they may find something that is a big time clue and be afraid to post it. this is not strong but it is something to look at.
I think that it is okay to anylize but to write headlines that mislead people is a little bit funny, to say it carefully. It is fact that the picture and the video are not clear enough to say that it is Michael. I do see a person and many people who are here see a person too but they do not scream that it is Michael. This makes me really angry. Why not just be a little bit carefully with conclusions?! That is the whole criticism
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Ok there is someone there définitevement top of that it was Michael mmmm I'm not sure I try to improve the image with photoshop but ... :?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/veuliah/check.jpg)
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I zoomed in to 400% on the pic that jackson girl shapened. I dont see a white t-shirt, what I see is someone sitting on something legs kinda spread out a little and head down kinda if looking at it's feet. Can anybody else here try that and tell me if it's what they see.
I don't see doo doo in the pic.
What I could see came from watching the video.
Before I saw the arm movement I could barely make out anything.
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okay so photoshop made the photo way to blurry but i did sharpen it and i def see a white shirt like one girl mentioned.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/14mvssh.jpg)
did any of the celebs on stage seem to look to their upper LEFT at all? I mean something like Mj standing up there would definitely catch their attention even if they knew he was up there. Althought the way the lights are positioned and their brightness could possibly obstruct the celebs view from seeing any kinda of a figure.
Kinda reminds me of the Phantom of the Opera.
I think I saw Usher looking to the left side.
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Gosh... I guess I was way off with what I thought I saw. :lol:
But I wanna say this :
MICHAEL YOU'RE KILLING US!!!! :lol:
:cry:
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(http://i47.tinypic.com/28hep1d.jpg)
made it a little lighter
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looks like he is wearing the gold pants he wore in this is it....he does know this stage in n out....he rehearsed here plenty of times.... so remember that as well
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(http://i47.tinypic.com/28hep1d.jpg)
made it a little lighter
brighter you mean?
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I also noticed that when the lyrics from MJ were sung, the other stars all turned & looked in that exact direction IMO, with the exception of one.
So you mean to tell me that EVERYBODY, including the proformers and the entire entertainment industry is "in" on the hoax???
God help you...... :(
:?
I so understand and support you. You are not alone
All I can do is pray..don't people also realize that as long as you look at an image andteh longer you look at it with an already PRECONCEIVED idea or a wish the mind will allow you to see things as you wish them to be??????? :?:
:(
PS: Nice try but the enhanced photo makes things WORSE!! First he is wearing striped pants now GOLD! Don't folks realize that this is happening because the mind already knows what it wants to see????
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looks like a blue shirt over the white shirt...like he did in the way you make me feel. not sure but i think
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looks like a blue shirt over the white shirt...like he did in the way you make me feel. not sure but i think
Right because that's they way you want to see him.
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are u even a fan? seems like you dont want hope....nd thats not what we are looking for....we are looking for hope....you are looking for doubt
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I zoomed in to 400% on the pic that jackson girl shapened. I dont see a white t-shirt, what I see is someone sitting on something legs kinda spread out a little and head down kinda if looking at it's feet. Can anybody else here try that and tell me if it's what they see.
I don't see doo doo in the pic.
What I could see came from watching the video.
Before I saw the arm movement I could barely make out anything.
HELLO!!!! There is nothing to see. This man is too creative to be singing from the top of a stage!! Nobody is answering the question. The question is....IS THE WHOLE MUSIC INDUSTRY IN ON THE HOAX?????
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are u even a fan? seems like you dont want hope....nd thats not what we are looking for....we are looking for hope....you are looking for doubt
Are you afan? Because if you were you would be seeking the truth and not trying to trick the board. You are exactly RIGHT!! I don't want HOPE I want FACTS. You are misleading these sweet people. I am looking for facts...NOT HOPE and you should be too. Facts and real potential evidence give us hope. Now I asked you a question and you have yet to answer.. Do you mean to tell me that the entire Music Industry is in on the HOAX????
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how am i misleading? did you NOT hear the lyrics...cuz everyone else did....or are you just trying to avoid what is right in front of you
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looks like a blue shirt over the white shirt...like he did in the way you make me feel. not sure but i think
Right because that's they way you want to see him.
truth_freedom: What is your problem? You're just bashing everything everyone says. Yes I agree with you on some things but please try to be a little nicer? Where Is the L.O.V.E...
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how am i misleading? did you NOT hear the lyrics...cuz everyone else did....or are you just trying to avoid what is right in front of you
I've heard the lyrics and there are many logical explanations for that...there is such a thing as ALTERNATE takes in a recording studio. Most artists do not record the song in one take....they also lay down at least one or two versions of the song and decide which ones they want. It does not mean that he was behindthe curtain live. I use to record and do session work....I know how this is done.....it may have very well been from an alternate take of the song that was prefered by the ESTATE or the production team...
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looks like a blue shirt over the white shirt...like he did in the way you make me feel. not sure but i think
Right because that's they way you want to see him.
truth_freedom: What is your problem? You're just bashing everything everyone says. Yes I agree with you on some things but please try to be a little nicer? Where Is the L.O.V.E...
Where was the love when this thread was created?? :(
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At 5:00 there is definitely someone up in that camera box standing there sideways---with his left shoulder to us. It appears as if he is dancing to the song and singing into a mic. The camera pans it soooo fast that it is impossible to make out anything further.
However, I did note that the "Mr. Magoo" character and his wide-eyed sidekick were seated in the audience right behind where Smokey Robinson enters for the Earth Song. So, at least we all know the whereabouts of these 2 individuals at the time of the "live" song .....looks like front and center to me.
OK, this all enlightens me and really has me going now. I have been waiting for some positive, apparent news for weeks, months now. I have known it all along but this is proof to me. Thanks goodness. Can it really be any more apparent.
And, to make it more clear those last 2 lines were clearly changed in that song to "what if I live again. Do you give a damn?"
Michael, I will answer that one for you!!! I have always-will always-give a damn about you! I love you....we all do!!!!
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are u even a fan? seems like you dont want hope....nd thats not what we are looking for....we are looking for hope....you are looking for doubt
Are you afan? Because if you were you would be seeking the truth and not trying to trick the board. You are exactly RIGHT!! I don't want HOPE I want FACTS. You are misleading these sweet people. I am looking for facts...NOT HOPE and you should be too. Facts and real potential evidence give us hope. Now I asked you a question and you have yet to answer.. Do you mean to tell me that the entire Music Industry is in on the HOAX????
Why are you being so mean to her? She's just an innocent person trying to share her opinion. Sometimes we HOPE something might be fact so we INVESTIGATE it until we can decide if it's fact or not.
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tell me why he would make an alternate version truth....with the lyric "What if i was still alive"....before he "died"....tell me the logic in that statement
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I zoomed in to 400% on the pic that jackson girl shapened. I dont see a white t-shirt, what I see is someone sitting on something legs kinda spread out a little and head down kinda if looking at it's feet. Can anybody else here try that and tell me if it's what they see.
I don't see doo doo in the pic.
What I could see came from watching the video.
Before I saw the arm movement I could barely make out anything.
HELLO!!!! There is nothing to see. This man is too creative to be singing from the top of a stage!! Nobody is answering the question. The question is....IS THE WHOLE MUSIC INDUSTRY IN ON THE HOAX?????
Actually, that's not the question on this thread.
The question on this thread is:
Is it or is it not Michael on video at the Grammy awards?
My answer:
I don't know. :lol:
I don't believe he's "everywhere" like some people.
I don't think he's the guy with the big nose in the audience.
I don't think he's Conrad Murray.
I don't think he's the blonde lady or the guy in the fedora.
I don't think he's Dave Dave on Larry King Live.
But if someone says they see him in a pic or video, I'm gonna look and share what I saw.
Which is:
Maybe a man(or a flat chested woman?), thin-ish, white t-shirt, facing the left side of the screen, their left arm moved.
That's it.
I don't see a blue shirt, gold pants, striped pants, singing or dancing.
I did hear the change in lyrics.
But to answer your question:
No, I don't think the whole industry is in on it.
Then again, how could as many people be in on it as need to be in on it to pull it off?
The police dept., FBI releasing his files, UCLA, coroner's office, Forrest Lawn Cemetary, etc.?
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are u even a fan? seems like you dont want hope....nd thats not what we are looking for....we are looking for hope....you are looking for doubt
Are you afan? Because if you were you would be seeking the truth and not trying to trick the board. You are exactly RIGHT!! I don't want HOPE I want FACTS. You are misleading these sweet people. I am looking for facts...NOT HOPE and you should be too. Facts and real potential evidence give us hope. Now I asked you a question and you have yet to answer.. Do you mean to tell me that the entire Music Industry is in on the HOAX????
Why are you being so mean to her? She's just an innocent person trying to share her opinion. Sometimes we HOPE something might be fact so we INVESTIGATE it until we can decide if it's fact or not.
C'mon Molly.....If it brings you hope...than so be it....I just don't see it...but carry on..
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how am i misleading? did you NOT hear the lyrics...cuz everyone else did....or are you just trying to avoid what is right in front of you
I've heard the lyrics and there are many logical explanations for that...there is such a thing as ALTERNATE takes in a recording studio. Most artists do not record the song in one take....they also lay down at least one or two versions of the song and decide which ones they want. It does not mean that he was behindthe curtain live. I use to record and do session work....I know how this is done.....it may have very well been from an alternate take of the song that was prefered by the ESTATE or the production team...
Even so, I really see no reason why Michael, unless he had a specific reason to alert us, to change the lyrics to "what if I live again. Do you give a damn?" To me this version(alternate take) is clearly illogical if he is infact dead and gone.
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are you saying that the music industry is innocent? Michael knew people. He had friends that would do anything for him because of the good man he was. Am i saying every single artist is in on it? NO... but some people do know. Seems all you do on here truth...is try to bring people down.... and thats not something Michael was about.
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tell me why he would make an alternate version truth....with the lyric "What if i was still alive"....before he "died"....tell me the logic in that statement
the original lyrics are
"what about death again, do we give a damn"
at the grammys it was changed to
"what if i live again, do you give a dam"
who said anything about still alive?
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are u even a fan? seems like you dont want hope....nd thats not what we are looking for....we are looking for hope....you are looking for doubt
Are you afan? Because if you were you would be seeking the truth and not trying to trick the board. You are exactly RIGHT!! I don't want HOPE I want FACTS. You are misleading these sweet people. I am looking for facts...NOT HOPE and you should be too. Facts and real potential evidence give us hope. Now I asked you a question and you have yet to answer.. Do you mean to tell me that the entire Music Industry is in on the HOAX????
Why are you being so mean to her? She's just an innocent person trying to share her opinion. Sometimes we HOPE something might be fact so we INVESTIGATE it until we can decide if it's fact or not.
C'mon Molly.....If it brings you hope...than so be it....I just don't see it...but carry
on..
Thank you. I really don't see anyone there either, but I'm going to look into it tomorrow. It is worth investigating.
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how am i misleading? did you NOT hear the lyrics...cuz everyone else did....or are you just trying to avoid what is right in front of you
I've heard the lyrics and there are many logical explanations for that...there is such a thing as ALTERNATE takes in a recording studio. Most artists do not record the song in one take....they also lay down at least one or two versions of the song and decide which ones they want. It does not mean that he was behindthe curtain live. I use to record and do session work....I know how this is done.....it may have very well been from an alternate take of the song that was prefered by the ESTATE or the production team...
Even so, I really see no reason why Michael, unless he had a specific reason to alert us, to change the lyrics to "what if I live again. Do you give a damn?" To me this version(alternate take) is clearly illogical if he is infact dead and gone.
hes giving us a clue he is alive , like hes been doing for the past 7 months, if you arent a believer which you dont sound like it then you shouldnt be here. it makes sense for him to say that cause he is infact alive.
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tell me why he would make an alternate version truth....with the lyric "What if i was still alive"....before he "died"....tell me the logic in that statement
I listened again to the Grammy's version he says nothing of the sort. He says what about 'Death Again"...you are hearing what you want. @6:55 he says what about DEATH AGAIN just as he did on the song.
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seems like your hearing what YOU want. flip that script
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how am i misleading? did you NOT hear the lyrics...cuz everyone else did....or are you just trying to avoid what is right in front of you
I've heard the lyrics and there are many logical explanations for that...there is such a thing as ALTERNATE takes in a recording studio. Most artists do not record the song in one take....they also lay down at least one or two versions of the song and decide which ones they want. It does not mean that he was behindthe curtain live. I use to record and do session work....I know how this is done.....it may have very well been from an alternate take of the song that was prefered by the ESTATE or the production team...
Even so, I really see no reason why Michael, unless he had a specific reason to alert us, to change the lyrics to "what if I live again. Do you give a damn?" To me this version(alternate take) is clearly illogical if he is infact dead and gone.
hes giving us a clue he is alive , like hes been doing for the past 7 months, if you arent a believer which you dont sound like it then you shouldnt be here. it makes sense for him to say that cause he is infact alive.
There is no clue. he says "WHAT ABOUT DEATH AGAIN"...to live again would mean that he would have to be dead and resurrected....who is the doubter???
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as much as i want to see something...i dont lol. I am not going to HOPE to much because the more you think you see something the more your mind is going to trick you into seeing it. Just like the lyrics...i played it over and over again and i heard the same original lyrics...
Dont jump on truth its a good thing to have someone here to debunk stuff because it seems like lately people have been throwing out random clues that are false and we need TO WAKE UP PLEASE!!! believing the wrong clues could lead us the wrong direction...
ALSO i have been meaning to say to everyone is that lately i have not been seeing much love in these forums :( when we first started out it was nice but not it seems like every thread i go to there is people yelling at people just because they dont agree with the majority... get it together people and start showing some love please.
Respect what other people say because there information can be useful just because what they say doesnt go with what you want to believe does not make them a "nonbeliever" PLEASE SPREAD SOME LOVE BECAUSE LATELY I HAVE JUST BEEN SEEING BICKERING quite upsetting we have taken a huge step backwards...please dont bash me..
spread the L.O.V.E because michael alive or not would want that rather than us tearing eachother apart
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how am i misleading? did you NOT hear the lyrics...cuz everyone else did....or are you just trying to avoid what is right in front of you
I've heard the lyrics and there are many logical explanations for that...there is such a thing as ALTERNATE takes in a recording studio. Most artists do not record the song in one take....they also lay down at least one or two versions of the song and decide which ones they want. It does not mean that he was behindthe curtain live. I use to record and do session work....I know how this is done.....it may have very well been from an alternate take of the song that was prefered by the ESTATE or the production team...
Even so, I really see no reason why Michael, unless he had a specific reason to alert us, to change the lyrics to "what if I live again. Do you give a damn?" To me this version(alternate take) is clearly illogical if he is infact dead and gone.
hes giving us a clue he is alive , like hes been doing for the past 7 months, if you arent a believer which you dont sound like it then you shouldnt be here. it makes sense for him to say that cause he is infact alive.
There is no clue. he says "WHAT ABOUT DEATH AGAIN"...to live again would mean that he would have to be dead and resurrected....who is the doubter???
obviously you dont have good hearing, cause most people heard loud and clear " what if i live again"
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truth freedom:
There is a difference between an observation & an accusation.
I made my own personal observation on the topic. You on the other hand made an accusation.
I never at any time stated that any individual was in on a hoax. I stated my observation & nothing more.
Please refrain from making alleged comments about my statements.
Thank you
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in peoples minds... he is dead...correct? so he means for him to live again to us....think about it....your being so simplistic with your reasoning. You gotta open your mind and realize what hes saying... WHAT IF HE LIVES AGAIN...to the world...he is no longer...so if we found out he was alive...he would live AGAIN. easy as said
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there is NO REASON to be questioning ANYONES hoax belief status! that is very hurtful...just because they dont agree with your opinion does not make him a nonbeliever...
QUIT ARGUING ABOUT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAYS AND INSTEAD GET ON WITH THE INVESTIGATION BEFORE THIS THREAD GETS LOCKED...THREADS HAVE BEEN GETTING LOCKED LEFT AND RIGHT LATELY!! AND WITH THAT WE ARE GETTING NO WHERE...AGREE TO DISAGREE PLEASE I AM GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF SEEING ALL THIS LASHING OUT!!...
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in peoples minds... he is dead...correct? so he means for him to live again to us....think about it....your being so simplistic with your reasoning. You gotta open your mind and realize what hes saying... WHAT IF HE LIVES AGAIN...to the world...he is no longer...so if we found out he was alive...he would live AGAIN. easy as said
all shes doing is bashing everyones ideas and opinions if thats all shes here to do then maybe she shouldnt be apart of this forum at all, this is supposed to be a free forum for people to express ideas and opinions not bash every little thing that is said, she doesnt seem like much of a believer or someone who ahs a open mind to this hoax so she shouldnt even be here.
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in peoples minds... he is dead...correct? so he means for him to live again to us....think about it....your being so simplistic with your reasoning. You gotta open your mind and realize what hes saying... WHAT IF HE LIVES AGAIN...to the world...he is no longer...so if we found out he was alive...he would live AGAIN. easy as said
all shes doing is bashing everyones ideas and opinions if thats all shes here to do then maybe she shouldnt be apart of this forum at all, this is supposed to be a free forum for people to express ideas and opinions not bash every little thing that is said, she doesnt seem like much of a believer or someone who ahs a open mind to this hoax so she shouldnt even be here.
I know...how do you report someone?
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there is NO REASON to be questioning ANYONES hoax belief status! that is very hurtful...just because they dont agree with your opinion does not make him a nonbeliever...
QUIT ARGUING ABOUT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAYS AND INSTEAD GET ON WITH THE INVESTIGATION BEFORE THIS THREAD GETS LOCKED...THREADS HAVE BEEN GETTING LOCKED LEFT AND RIGHT LATELY!! AND WITH THAT WE ARE GETTING NO WHERE...AGREE TO DISAGREE PLEASE I AM GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF SEEING ALL THIS LASHING OUT!!...
maybe a certain individual should stop trashing other peoples beliefs everyone has a right to their own opinions and beliefs without someone bashing them and tearing them down which is exactly what she is doing
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in peoples minds... he is dead...correct? so he means for him to live again to us....think about it....your being so simplistic with your reasoning. You gotta open your mind and realize what hes saying... WHAT IF HE LIVES AGAIN...to the world...he is no longer...so if we found out he was alive...he would live AGAIN. easy as said
all shes doing is bashing everyones ideas and opinions if thats all shes here to do then maybe she shouldnt be apart of this forum at all, this is supposed to be a free forum for people to express ideas and opinions not bash every little thing that is said, she doesnt seem like much of a believer or someone who ahs a open mind to this hoax so she shouldnt even be here.
I know...how do you report someone?
i'm not exactly sure lol.
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I don't see gold pants or anything but I do see something moving up there.
And whatever it is, it looks like they're wearing something white and rocking back and forth. Oh, and the fact that the singers take a look up there should tell us something. I am not saying it's Michael, but hey, anything is possible.
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I don't see gold pants or anything but I do see something moving up there.
And whatever it is, it looks like they're wearing something white and rocking back and forth. Oh, and the fact that the singers take a look up there should tell us something. I am not saying it's Michael, but hey, anything is possible.
you saw exactly what i did lol
thats what i said it def looks like a white shirt and that they are dancing and moving back and forth
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Remember ...michael loves pranks..... all im saying is he is veryyyy smart....very. and he knows people would not expect that.... and doubt would surface.
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if you dont believe the vid...the lyrics come into play...if you dont hear the lyrics....then the vid is very strange...why would someone be up there during a tribute to the king of pop....they would not want any distractions. so my heart says its michael...and my mind.
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tell me why he would make an alternate version truth....with the lyric "What if i was still alive"....before he "died"....tell me the logic in that statement
the original lyrics are
"what about death again, do we give a damn"
at the grammys it was changed to
"what if i live again, do you give a dam"
who said anything about still alive?
I do hear "what about death again"...repeat, repeat, repeat untill everyone believes the lie that he sings "what if I live again"
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OMG!!!
Look!
There he is!!!
Mr. Bommbastic!!! :o
[youtube:3n0vw4rb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSKy1x0Ppc4[/youtube:3n0vw4rb]
just trying to lighten things up a little
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OMG!!!
Look!
There he is!!!
Mr. Bommbastic!!! :o
[youtube:2m444djz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSKy1x0Ppc4[/youtube:2m444djz]
just trying to lighten things up a little
hahahaha yes he is :D i seeeee him :)
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@virgo75- Ho-ho-holy crap...that vid is HOT! :D
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OMG!!!
Look!
There he is!!!
Mr. Bommbastic!!! :o
[youtube:21id18fj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSKy1x0Ppc4[/youtube:21id18fj]
just trying to lighten things up a little
Oh, I see it clear its him :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :D
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there is NO REASON to be questioning ANYONES hoax belief status! that is very hurtful...just because they dont agree with your opinion does not make him a nonbeliever...
QUIT ARGUING ABOUT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAYS AND INSTEAD GET ON WITH THE INVESTIGATION BEFORE THIS THREAD GETS LOCKED...THREADS HAVE BEEN GETTING LOCKED LEFT AND RIGHT LATELY!! AND WITH THAT WE ARE GETTING NO WHERE...AGREE TO DISAGREE PLEASE I AM GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF SEEING ALL THIS LASHING OUT!!...
I am very hurt and offended by this thread...I just feel so hurt and tricked. I was all excited hoping that someone had conclusive evidence that OUR Michael was at the Grammy's and I comehere and find nothing but a movement of someone or something in the balcolny that could be ANYTHING or anybody. HOW DARE you try to fool me!! I can't believe this.....I had such high hopes and it could have been some stage lightening person who liked the music!! Why would you do this to us?? Why would you get our hopes up just so that your thread could get a bunchof views. I hate this endless journey!! Where are the real photos OF MICHAEL! I want him BACK and this was the best that you could give me!! How dare you accuse me of not knowing that he is with us!!!??? You ought to be ashamed of yourself!! I wanted to see MJ and YOU DON't care about anyone's FEELINGS!!! You are pushing a HOPE and I want to see HIM. :x
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truth.... are you five?
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tell me why he would make an alternate version truth....with the lyric "What if i was still alive"....before he "died"....tell me the logic in that statement
the original lyrics are
"what about death again, do we give a damn"
at the grammys it was changed to
"what if i live again, do you give a dam"
who said anything about still alive?
I do hear "what about death again"...repeat, repeat, repeat untill everyone believes the lie that he sings "what if I live again"
I sure do too...clear as day Shout....(sigh)....I am so tired of the inconclusive lies....
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seems you only see n hear what you want truth... stop coming in this thread if it "hurts" you so much as u claim. I think your exaggerating
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seems you only see n hear what you want truth... stop coming in this thread if it "hurts" you so much as u claim. I think your exaggerating
i say you change the title of the thread so people can shut up, if a thread hurts you dont come on it simple you dont have to bash everyone elses feelings and opinions.
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seems you only see n hear what you want truth... stop coming in this thread if it "hurts" you so much as u claim. I think your exaggerating
i say you change the title of the thread so people can shut up, if a thread hurts you dont come on it simple you dont have to bash everyone elses feelings and opinions.
I have every right to be here...just as much as you do. Michael is not exclusively yours!!
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and he is not exclusively yours yet you seem to think you know him. All your trying to do is pick fights... I am an adult... I am notplaying these mind games anymore. You havea nice day there mr/ms/mrs. ;)
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and he is not exclusively yours yet you seem to think you know him. All your trying to do is pick fights... I am an adult... I am notplaying these mind games anymore. You havea nice day there mr/ms/mrs. ;)
i;m on your side lol i was talking about the fact truth seems to be so picky about the title so i was suggesting you change it so she can stop complaning :)
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oh my gosh... i am in tears right now, i really did see it move.. i think it was him..
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Guys, please dont fight, simply agree to disagree and if not possible perhaps consider leaving the thread all together and move on to something else.
I'm going to bed saddened by the fact that people are fighting on here again.
Night all
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Guys, please dont fight, simply agree to disagree and if not possible perhaps consider leaving the thread all together and move on to something else.
I'm going to bed saddened by the fact that people are fighting on here again.
Night all
good night jennie
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please ignore me now
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and he is not exclusively yours yet you seem to think you know him. All your trying to do is pick fights... I am an adult... I am notplaying these mind games anymore. You havea nice day there mr/ms/mrs. ;)
i;m on your side lol i was talking about the fact truth seems to be so picky about the title so i was suggesting you change it so she can stop complaning :)
omg my bad girl...i meant that to truth....im sorry
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and he is not exclusively yours yet you seem to think you know him. All your trying to do is pick fights... I am an adult... I am notplaying these mind games anymore. You havea nice day there mr/ms/mrs. ;)
Again, you don't know who knows what...I hope you stop your games with this forum. Good day to you too.
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i hope you gain logic.gnite to u
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as much as i want to see something...i dont lol. I am not going to HOPE to much because the more you think you see something the more your mind is going to trick you into seeing it. Just like the lyrics...i played it over and over again and i heard the same original lyrics...
Dont jump on truth its a good thing to have someone here to debunk stuff because it seems like lately people have been throwing out random clues that are false and we need TO WAKE UP PLEASE!!! believing the wrong clues could lead us the wrong direction...
ALSO i have been meaning to say to everyone is that lately i have not been seeing much love in these forums :( when we first started out it was nice but not it seems like every thread i go to there is people yelling at people just because they dont agree with the majority... get it together people and start showing some love please.
Respect what other people say because there information can be useful just because what they say doesnt go with what you want to believe does not make them a "nonbeliever" PLEASE SPREAD SOME LOVE BECAUSE LATELY I HAVE JUST BEEN SEEING BICKERING quite upsetting we have taken a huge step backwards...please dont bash me..
spread the L.O.V.E because michael alive or not would want that rather than us tearing eachother apart
I LOVE YOU!!! :)
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i hope you gain logic.gnite to u
I have it....you presented none. And you still produced no enhanced images so that we could see clearly what the figure was standing in the balcolny. You simply made a lot of noise.
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n ur simply making a lot of fuss over something that doesnt have to involve u
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n ur simply making a lot of fuss over something that doesnt have to involve u
Well as long as I am a member like the other thousands of people are...guess what sweetie...it involves me. You still have answered none of my questions.....
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(http://i46.tinypic.com/2w3njww.jpg)
this is michael right here. I searched and searched and i found him.
here is the video like...at 5 mins you can look in the upper right corner and see him...holding the mic and stomping his foot...this is mike. At the end of this song he changed up the lyrics. The original lyrics were what about death...would we give a damn....the lyrics said here at the end of the song were "What if I lived again....would you give a damn" ....Make fullscreen so you can really see. he has the striped pants on...and he holds the mic just like he does when he is singing and gets emotional. I am no longer skeptical.... the K.O.P is alive. :D :shock: 8-) :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91vY9QLQOYk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91vY9QLQOYk)
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i see it!!! and if it was a ''screen'' why would it be in the UPPER CORNER and people are focusing on the one on Stage??? IT''S HIM :D :D :D
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OMG!!!
Look!
There he is!!!
Mr. Bommbastic!!! :o
[youtube:1va69fan]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSKy1x0Ppc4[/youtube:1va69fan]
just trying to lighten things up a little
Hmm...this sure does look like MJ...Jaysus!
I just see someone stomping a leg to the sound of the music, but this, seriously, it can be anyone. He wasnt facing the public, so it can be MJ, of course. On the other hand, he knew there were cameras filming live...would he risk it just to give us clues? I'm not fully convinced on this one, but I gotta say that whoever spotted this person has eagle eyes, and I thank him/her for posting.
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if you can believe an old man is mike.... yet u cant believe this is. He even changed the lyrics at the end....did u hear that?
I have to admit I did hear the lyric changes :P
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n ur simply making a lot of fuss over something that doesnt have to involve u
Well as long as I am a member like the other thousands of people are...guess what sweetie...it involves me. You still have answered none of my questions.....
Truth try to ignore people who claim to know everything.There are too many people who do not look carefully, that is why I will continue to be critical. It is really sad from the beginning (the speech made by Jermaine which supposedly is not allowed to to be done by a family member and because of that it is a clue for Michael being alive, but he could do it if he wanted, so not a prove that there is a hoax... but who cares, people see it on youtube and repeat it like idiots...and say there was not an official statement on Michael´s death which is not true, Jermaine did the official statement...I do not get it really why people are so blind and do not questioning anything...).
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at first when i saw the video i thought it was just a reflection of carrie underwood, because her dress is metallic and normally that type of fabric will reflect light against a screen. i viewed it full screen, and that was not carrie. if you put you look close enough, it looks like someone in a metallic blazer (it looks silver to me not gold like carrie's dress, but it's so hard to tell). who was it? i have no idea, but it was someone.
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tell me why he would make an alternate version truth....with the lyric "What if i was still alive"....before he "died"....tell me the logic in that statement
I listened again to the Grammy's version he says nothing of the sort. He says what about 'Death Again"...you are hearing what you want. @6:55 he says what about DEATH AGAIN just as he did on the song.
No, ur mistaken. I definitely hear "What if I live again" !!! And this was even b4 I read this thread!
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OMG!!!
Look!
There he is!!!
Mr. Bommbastic!!! :o
[youtube:3g411zf7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSKy1x0Ppc4[/youtube:3g411zf7]
just trying to lighten things up a little
Thank you for that virgo. that was hilarious. very nicely done. :lol: 8-)
So Im just gonna give my opinion on this.
I can't really make out an image from the top of the stage. Sadly. Maybe my eyes are bad or something. I'm gonna watch the tribute as I write this although I don't know if I'm emotionally capable. Everytime I see just a clip of the kids going up to make their speech, I just ball like a baby.
But the image at the top of the stage is someone, it could be anyone. It could the some of the crew that do things for the shows like drop snow or whatever kind of props. If you go to enough NBA games and sit in the nose bleed seats, like I do, you'll know what I'm talking about. :lol:
As for the change of lyrics. I did listen to it when it was running live and as I play it now, I don't feel like I hear "What if live again" Although I must admit the voice just sounded different as if it was live. The beginning of the song sounded like the album version. But after the celebs came out and sang their parts, it seemed like it was no longer the album version of the song.
Mind you though it is a performance so maybe the sound crew had added special effects to a track and not too mention a possible echo because it is in the staples center. I don't know. All i think is the beginning sounded like the track but after the celebs came out, Michael's parts sounded different.
I just thought there was an extra 'umph' to Michael's voice. I don't know if it was an alternate version or what but it did sounded different than the album or short film version. I heard a hiccup or grunt before "What about yesterday" unlike the album version.
Maybe if someone could use one of those audio programs that eliminates the music and brings out the vocals, that would be useful especially for the "What about death again" or "What if I live again" part. I don't know how to do it, unfortunately.
By the way, the last thing I wanna do is lead anyone astray. I just wanna tell yall what I think. I don't wanna clutch at straws but I wanna look at everything from all aspects and leave no rock unturned. I just wanna find the truth because I know it is much better to find the truth.
Watching that video just brings me to tears.
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n ur simply making a lot of fuss over something that doesnt have to involve u
Well as long as I am a member like the other thousands of people are...guess what sweetie...it involves me. You still have answered none of my questions.....
You and your buddy are really making asses out of yourselves. Here's a novel concept GO DO YOUR OWN DAMN RESEARCH and quit picking on this poor girl who posted her findings. You're acting like a big whiney spoiled internet bully who didn't get her lolly.
Now piss off and go pick on someone your own size.
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n ur simply making a lot of fuss over something that doesnt have to involve u
Well as long as I am a member like the other thousands of people are...guess what sweetie...it involves me. You still have answered none of my questions.....
You and your buddy are really making asses out of yourselves. Here's a novel concept GO DO YOUR OWN DAMN RESEARCH and quit picking on this poor girl who posted her findings. You're acting like a big whiney spoiled internet bully who didn't get her lolly.
Now piss off and go pick on someone your own size.
:shock: :roll: :roll: :lol:
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I've listened to it several times over and compared it to other recordings of the song and even though I do hear different pitches in his voice I don't hear a change in the lyrics sorry.
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I've listened to it several times over and compared it to other recordings of the song and even though I do hear different pitches in his voice I don't hear a change in the lyrics sorry.
I agree with you on that
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OMG!!!
Look!
There he is!!!
Mr. Bommbastic!!! :o
[youtube:3k8bge3k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSKy1x0Ppc4[/youtube:3k8bge3k]
just trying to lighten things up a little
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Love/love-086.gif) Awesome video!
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oh man that video is like...ahhh that video made me smile i actually watched it three times haahaa
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n ur simply making a lot of fuss over something that doesnt have to involve u
Well as long as I am a member like the other thousands of people are...guess what sweetie...it involves me. You still have answered none of my questions.....
You and your buddy are really making asses out of yourselves. Here's a novel concept GO DO YOUR OWN DAMN RESEARCH and quit picking on this poor girl who posted her findings. You're acting like a big whiney spoiled internet bully who didn't get her lolly.
Now piss off and go pick on someone your own size.
haha good job :D
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I can't see MJ on the photo. It's could be a technician or other... Or maybe it's not a person, this photo is too small we can't see clearly.
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idk if its Michael there. But I don't hear live again. I hear clear: 'what about' and death is not really clear but not 'what if i'.
And if Michael was in danger and had to fake his death, why would he be up there? :S
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukSJpqsmL0M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukSJpqsmL0M)
new video from alwaysbelieveMJ :D
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I am going to try and enhance the image if i can
Good for you don't worry about people having a go at you. You care and that is all we need. Who knows what michael would do expect the unexpected he could do that so keep going and see what happens. Many thanks
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukSJpqsmL0M
new video from alwaysbelieveMJ :D
WOW!
thank you for the vid!
I personally don't think Michael would be go on stage where everyone can see him.
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n ur simply making a lot of fuss over something that doesnt have to involve u
Well as long as I am a member like the other thousands of people are...guess what sweetie...it involves me. You still have answered none of my questions.....
Nobody onhere should speak like you be kind.
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I'm going to be honest here. I don't see a thing that proves it to be Michael standing there infront of a whole Grammy audience performing. I don't even hear the difference in lyrics. In the orginal it also sounds like he is saying 'what if I live again'...@6.00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCu8bWbecLY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCu8bWbecLY)
It's like the DR.Murray part in Smooth criminal. You think you hear it because you know about Dr. Murray now. But a year ago you wouldn't think about hearing Dr.Murray because you did not know him back then. Same with the live again.
But believe what you want to believe. I think we are drifting off in a major way.
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I'm going to be honest here. I don't see a thing that proves it to be Michael standing there infront of a whole Grammy audience performing. I don't even here the difference in lyrics. In the orginal it also sounds like he is saying 'what if I live again'...@6.00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCu8bWbecLY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCu8bWbecLY)
It's like the DR.Murray part in Smooth criminal. You think you hear it because you know about Dr. Murray now. But a year ago you wouldn't think about hearing Dr.Murray because you did not know him back then. Same with the live again.
But believe what you want to believe. I think we are drifting off in a major way.
With all respect due, what about the thing with dr. murray being in Smooth Criminal?
Obviously we know thats not true.
I think I did hear a joke about the guy that comes up behind Michael with a knife, someone joked and called him Conrad.
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I'm going to be honest here. I don't see a thing that proves it to be Michael standing there infront of a whole Grammy audience performing. I don't even here the difference in lyrics. In the orginal it also sounds like he is saying 'what if I live again'...@6.00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCu8bWbecLY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCu8bWbecLY)
It's like the DR.Murray part in Smooth criminal. You think you hear it because you know about Dr. Murray now. But a year ago you wouldn't think about hearing Dr.Murray because you did not know him back then. Same with the live again.
But believe what you want to believe. I think we are drifting off in a major way.
With all respect due, what about the thing with dr. murray being in Smooth Criminal?
Obviously we know thats not true.
I think I did hear a joke about the guy that comes up behind Michael with a knife, someone joked and called him Conrad.
Yeah I did not pay much attention to it because like with these lyrics I just don't hear it. No offense to anyone who does hear it.
With Dr.Murray it was the part where Michael sings 'mouth to mouth resuscitation' @2.25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDUbAgfrvU0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDUbAgfrvU0) and some were hearing in a new version or something 'Dr.Murrays hesatation' or something.
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Im a little late to this thread, but Im only going to say this once.
Any more arguing and this thread is DELETED. Im SO sick of people fighting...REALLY sick of it.
Now,,,I watched this part of the Grammys again and frankly I really dont even see that this "figure" up in the rafters is even a person and I didnt see any tapping of the foot in time with the music.
Im more interested in Mr Magoo.
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tell me why he would make an alternate version truth....with the lyric "What if i was still alive"....before he "died"....tell me the logic in that statement
I listened again to the Grammy's version he says nothing of the sort. He says what about 'Death Again"...you are hearing what you want. @6:55 he says what about DEATH AGAIN just as he did on the song.
No, ur mistaken. I definitely hear "What if I live again" !!! And this was even b4 I read this thread!
Much as I truly want to believe I here "What if I live again" I think I hear what about Abraham? :oops:
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Sorry but I don't see it :?
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They took the version of the song, that is Michael usually uses for his shows - was always playback.
It's exactly the same, only shorter at the Grammy's.
The "body" above the stage is actually a screen for the audience.
Take the pic from the original post and light it up a little bit, maybe a little contrast - you'll see the form and that it looks nothing like a person.
The screen can also be seen on a pic of Eminem's performance.
Sorry, have no link now, because I have to go.
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I slowed this clip down if you are interested...
[youtube:2sgr0hfp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifC0nJcBaAM[/youtube:2sgr0hfp]
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I don't see gold pants or anything but I do see something moving up there.
And whatever it is, it looks like they're wearing something white and rocking back and forth. Oh, and the fact that the singers take a look up there should tell us something. I am not saying it's Michael, but hey, anything is possible.
I agree 100%! There's someone there. You can see it when you pause the video. Pause and watch and pause again. You can see he moves his arm. But of course I can not be sure if that's MJ or not.
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I thought this had been debunked. At first I thought I saw a shadowy figure but someone posted that it was actually a screen showing the audience what the TV viewers could see and, on reviewing the pic, I could see the screen.
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I watched the video and somebody is up there and the lyrics to me changed to what if i lived again, now what is going on in the forum when someone finds something and is brave enough to share it with us we shouldn't shoot it down without looking at it first, Truth your acting very immature if someone doesn't think the idea is right move on it was pretty sad reading what you said to her and shouldn't be tolerated
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Who said what to who?
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I see people are getting very excited here but please everyone be honest to yourselves, ok! I hope you're not seeing something/someone because you want to see it so badly and I'm not bashing anyone just trying to remind everyone to stay objective.
Personally I don't see anything and I can't hear a change in the lyrics either. I think someone on another thread did a proper comparison between the original Earth song and the one at the Grammy's and founnd no difference, except from it being shortened. I too wish all this was true but I'm trying to not see what I want to see.
My question is, why on earth would MIchael be there performing?! Doesn't make any sense what so ever :? I'm not saying that I know what he would or wouldn't do but does anyone have a theory of why he'd even be there? cuz I can't think of anything... However, keep looking!! :D
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I think he could have been there in disguise but not up there performing.
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I'm sure there are some folks whom do wish to grab onto any bit of news for hope. However, in this case I believe that what we really want to know is who is the image or what is it.
Some folks stated that it was a "screen" that is provided so that the audience can view the event. I am not familiar with event proceedings, so I cannot comment on that topic.
However, as I previously stated, I felt I viewed one single individual in that video as opposed to a screen shot.
I think the only thing that will resolve the matter is to have someone provide a very clear & concise view of the image.
Irregardless, kudos should & have gone out to the individual that has brought this image to our attention.
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Exactly you might not agree with the idea but just give credit where credit is due you don't need to make people feel stupid cause they believe in it isn't it all for L.O.V.E.?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukSJpqsmL0M
new video from alwaysbelieveMJ :D
WOW!
thank you for the vid!
I personally don't think Michael would be go on stage where everyone can see him.
welcome ! :D
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Im a little late to this thread, but Im only going to say this once.
Any more arguing and this thread is DELETED. Im SO sick of people fighting...REALLY sick of it.
Now,,,I watched this part of the Grammys again and frankly I really dont even see that this "figure" up in the rafters is even a person and I didnt see any tapping of the foot in time with the music.
Im more interested in Mr Magoo.
The Magoo Thread is CERTAINLY of interest with something more substantial to look at and go hmmmmmm.....Ditto for the portion of the comment on not seeing a single thing in the rafters. Hallelujah! :roll:
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n ur simply making a lot of fuss over something that doesnt have to involve u
Well as long as I am a member like the other thousands of people are...guess what sweetie...it involves me. You still have answered none of my questions.....
Nobody onhere should speak like you be kind.
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Well I watched the grammy video several times, paused, stopped, zoomed the photo and I can't even see someone, sorry, no white t-shirt neither :? The camera goes too fast. But thanks for sharing your thoughts.
For the lyrics too I listenend again and again and can't hear "what if I live again" I hear "what about death again". I just noticed there is something weird when he says "What about yesterday" try to listen again it's not as usual. Anyway I prefer to focus on the man in disguise which is a more plausible possible clue to me. Paris was wearing a (beautiful) shirt which looks like Michael in Ghost. To me it can be a hint because when you think about Ghost you think Michael in disguise as an old man (DS)....and there is an old man in the grammy's audience which really seems to be disguised...
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I slowed this clip down if you are interested...
[youtube:3f1tvze4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifC0nJcBaAM[/youtube:3f1tvze4]
OK NOW I see someone! But it could be anyone! Could be a person for the light or the sound too..
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as much as i want to see something...i dont lol. I am not going to HOPE to much because the more you think you see something the more your mind is going to trick you into seeing it. Just like the lyrics...i played it over and over again and i heard the same original lyrics...
Dont jump on truth its a good thing to have someone here to debunk stuff because it seems like lately people have been throwing out random clues that are false and we need TO WAKE UP PLEASE!!! believing the wrong clues could lead us the wrong direction...
ALSO i have been meaning to say to everyone is that lately i have not been seeing much love in these forums :( when we first started out it was nice but not it seems like every thread i go to there is people yelling at people just because they dont agree with the majority... get it together people and start showing some love please.
Respect what other people say because there information can be useful just because what they say doesnt go with what you want to believe does not make them a "nonbeliever" PLEASE SPREAD SOME LOVE BECAUSE LATELY I HAVE JUST BEEN SEEING BICKERING quite upsetting we have taken a huge step backwards...please dont bash me..
spread the L.O.V.E because michael alive or not would want that rather than us tearing eachother apart
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I just this k we should be more polite on this site. Michael has manners and so should we we all have our thoughts but some people here are just too much
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yes people, please try to be nice, everyone has their own opinions about all of this it's only fair we let them think what they want to, even if we think it's incorrect
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Someone else saw this and I was just going to post something about it. Yes you really can see MJ. I knew he was singing live and yes, he did change the lyrics at the end and Jennifer Hudson change some lyrics. The original lyric is "Where did we go wrong" and she sang "What is wrong with us." Another piece to the puzzle.
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I don't know, I can't see a human being there.. It's really hard to see. It's so quick. And for it looks like another Videoscreen? I'll try my best to see it...
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I also don't believe that Michael would stand somewhere so everybody could see him.
And I still hear 'what about death again...'
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I cant believe my eyes...are you serious, do you really think THAT is Michael?
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I cant believe my eyes...are you serious, do you really think THAT is Michael?
I don't think so ;)
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I was just watching the music video for Earth Song on the Michael Jackson Channel and I swear I can hear "What if I live again? do you give a damn?" If others want to check it out go ahead but I swear thats what I heard in the Grammys and now in the music video too.
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I was just watching the music video for Earth Song on the Michael Jackson Channel and I swear I can hear "What if I live again? do you give a damn?" If others want to check it out go ahead but I swear thats what I heard in the Grammys and now in the music video too.
Maybe it's just my ears, but I listened it over and over again, also other versions, and I still hear What about death again...
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I was just watching the music video for Earth Song on the Michael Jackson Channel and I swear I can hear "What if I live again? do you give a damn?" If others want to check it out go ahead but I swear thats what I heard in the Grammys and now in the music video too.
Maybe it's just my ears, but I listened it over and over again, also other versions, and I still hear What about death again...
Same here :?