Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: Jacksonology on January 31, 2010, 11:48:39 PM
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Earth Song Tribute @ Grammy's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4) stop it at 3:12 (clears his throat)
Earth Song LIVE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI)
stop at 5:01 he doesn't clear his throat or anything on that peformance
*EDIT* have the your volume HIGH to hear it at 3:12
*Re-Edit* Thought this deserved to be here too. *NEW DISCOVERY*
@ 5:00 it sounds like ''what if i live again'' but in the original song it's what about death again...
*EDIT* http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-j (http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-j) ... yrics.html
Original:
(What was us)
What about death again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn
Aaaaaaaaah Ooooooooh
Grammy:
(What was us)
What about ''if i live'' again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn
Aaaaaaaaah Ooooooooh
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Earth Song Tribute @ Grammy's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4) stop it at 3:12 (clears his throat)
Earth Song LIVE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI)
stop at 5:01 he doesn't clear his throat or anything on that peformance
*EDIT* have the your volume HIGH to hear it at 3:12
Thanx for posting, of course he was singing live, just in the memorial in that same place with the changing of "painSSS" insted of "pain", besides in the Earth Song performance he sounded very emotional :) I love him and just can't get enough of him.
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Not live but recorded in 2009 with KO!
Stop talking nonsense! :lol:
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Earth Song Tribute @ Grammy's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4) stop it at 3:12 (clears his throat)
Earth Song LIVE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI)
stop at 5:01 he doesn't clear his throat or anything on that peformance
*EDIT* have the your volume HIGH to hear it at 3:12
Thanx for posting, of course he was singing live, just in the memorial in that same place with the changing of "painSSS" insted of "pain", besides in the Earth Song performance he sounded very emotional :) I love him and just can't get enough of him.
Just sounded TOO CLEAR for it to be ''Recorded'' and i just really felt he was Singing Too Us :D
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Not live but recorded in 2009 with KO!
Stop talking nonsense! :lol:
Do you have proof of that?
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Not live but recorded in 2009 with KO!
Stop talking nonsense! :lol:
Stop the hate and respect other's opinions, we all come from love and that's what we must spread, the Earth NEEDS that to be healed. I love you and hope you can stop the negative comments, take care michangelo.
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Not live but recorded in 2009 with KO!
Stop talking nonsense! :lol:
Do you have proof of that?
It is possible btw to Perform live and Not Be There..
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Well we indeed hear him clear his throat,if that was recorded,he would have fix that part,no????
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I could tell it was live, I could hear a click or clearing his throat before MJ sang "What about yesterday?" I bet he was either backstage or under the stage or maybe up on a catwalk behind the curtain where no one could see him because at the end, Usher pointed to MJ's picture like he was really there.
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Well we indeed hear him clear his throat,if that was recorded,he would have fix that part,no????
It's LIVE. He can't fix it :lol:
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I could tell it was live, I could hear a click or clearing his throat before MJ sang "What about yesterday?" I bet he was either backstage or under the stage or maybe up on a catwalk behind the curtain where no one could see him because at the end, Usher pointed to MJ's picture like he was really there.
Didn't notice that :O have to re-view the performance!!!
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Well we indeed hear him clear his throat,if that was recorded,he would have fix that part,no????
It's LIVE. He can't fix it :lol:
I was referring to Michangelo's post ;) ...
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Well we indeed hear him clear his throat,if that was recorded,he would have fix that part,no????
It's LIVE. He can't fix it :lol:
I was referring to Michangelo's post ;) ...
oops :oops:
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*NEW DISCOVERY*
@ 5:00 it sounds like ''what if i live again'' but in the original song it's what about death again...
*EDIT* http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-j ... yrics.html (http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/earth-song-lyrics.html)
Original:
(What was us)
What about death again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn
Aaaaaaaaah Ooooooooh
Grammy:
(What was us)
What about ''if i live'' again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn
Aaaaaaaaah Ooooooooh
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*NEW DISCOVERY*
@ 5:00 it sounds like ''what if i live again'' but in the original song it's what about death again...
OMG, you're kidding!. I've got to listen again. Amazing find. So, do you think it might be possible that these were recordings made during TII rehearsals vs. actually being at the Grammies, live? I mean, he was willing to have all the tech at the Grammies know that he's alive? I definitely believe he's alive but, what of the possibility that MJ recorded these songs especially for TII?
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He did it live, the passion in his voice was to clear to be recorded and he did clear his throat, knowing the perfectionist Michael is he would have edited that part out if it was recorded
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FIRST 'i don't want hurt anyone here!
But I say what I think, and your comments are unfounded!
Jezzz, everyone lost their heads here
I'm going and I leave you to your dreams of little girls!
MICHAEL JACKSON IS DEAD, you have not seen his children?
They wanted away from this circus to cry!
Rest in peace Michael, if we are willing to let you go!
I LOVE MICHAEL ENOUGH TO LEAVE THE REST IN PEACE!
ALL IS OVER! Peace and Love ,I can not continue in a lie
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I can hear a slight "gasp" or like he went out of breath when he says "What about Abraham"? . It happens in both videos, but its heavier on the Grammys version. Maybe it was prerecorded, but also he could have left it like that to give us a hint? ;)
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FIRST 'i want don't hurt anyone here!
But I say what I think, and your comments are unfounded!
Jezzz, everyone lost their heads here
I'm going and I leave you to your dreams of little girls!
MICHAEL JACKSON IS DEAD, you have not seen his children?
They wanted away from this circus to cry!
Rest in peace Michael, if we are willing to let you go!
I LOVE MICHAEL ENOUGH TO LEAVE THE REST IN PEACE!
ALL IS OVER! Peace and Love ,I can not continue in a lie
Michangelo, Im sorry but you are saying people are talking nonsense when they are just expressing their opinions. If you believe MJ to be dead, then what are you doing here?
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in the tribute before "what about yesterday" you can hear the bit of a hiccup sound michael did.
but if you listen to the short film for earth song you don't hear the hiccup.
[youtube:2imzk8ij]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAi3VTSdTxU[/youtube:2imzk8ij] starting from 4:11 you dont hear the hiccup like you hear in the tribute
i don't know. I'm very depressed after seeing the kids and all.
but i won't leave intil i see more unfold. but im depressed and discouraged to say the least.
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in the tribute before "what about yesterday" you can hear the bit of a hiccup sound michael did.
but if you listen to the short film for earth song you don't hear the hiccup.
[youtube:1yvf7uvj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAi3VTSdTxU[/youtube:1yvf7uvj] starting from 4:11 you dont hear the hiccup like you hear in the tribute
EXACTLY :D
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and did u notice paris and prince look?
(http://i49.tinypic.com/4q642q.jpg)
i was like omg when mj was singing
i said to myself "this is live"
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I still like the fact Lionel Richie said "Singing along and WITH Michael Jackson," then introduced them. Also, when the camera pans out, I'm gonna try to look between the screens. You know, just to see. ;)
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in the tribute before "what about yesterday" you can hear the bit of a hiccup sound michael did.
but if you listen to the short film for earth song you don't hear the hiccup.
[youtube:1n4ubf41]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAi3VTSdTxU[/youtube:1n4ubf41] starting from 4:11 you dont hear the hiccup like you hear in the tribute
i don't know. I'm very depressed after seeing the kids and all.
but i won't leave intil i see more unfold. but im depressed and discouraged to say the least.
But Michael wasn't on the "in memoriam" list,that's a good thing ;)
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I still like the fact Lionel Richie said "Singing along and WITH Michael Jackson," then introduced them. Also, when the camera pans out, I'm gonna try to look between the screens. You know, just to see. ;)
please do, and share it :)
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and did u notice paris and prince look?
(http://i49.tinypic.com/4q642q.jpg)
i was like omg when mj was singing
i said to myself "this is live"
Interesting :ugeek:
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and did u notice paris and prince look?
(http://i49.tinypic.com/4q642q.jpg)
i was like omg when mj was singing
i said to myself "this is live"
i need to see their speeches again but im not sure if i can handle it right now. theyre the ones that really made me sad. made me question this whole thing. but again they weren't crying and even i was tryin to keep it all in but failing miserably.
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Sorry i couldnt hear what ya were talking about...but when i was listening to it i thought it sounded live but i didnt hear the change in lyrics or the clearing of the throat...but it did definately sound live...i also caught lionle saying singing WITH MJ lol i was like oh really hmm and i kept expecting to see MJ walk out haahaa like how they introduced the other singers walking out one at a time instead of them all being there at once they walked out haha...i thought MJ was gonna come out on his part lol
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and did u notice paris and prince look?
(http://i49.tinypic.com/4q642q.jpg)
i was like omg when mj was singing
i said to myself "this is live"
i need to see their speeches again but im not sure if i can handle it right now. theyre the ones that really made me sad. made me question this whole thing. but again they weren't crying and even i was tryin to keep it all in but failing miserably.
same here
i was like freking shaking and crying and just lost all my hope then....
but deffinetly IT WAS LIVE
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and did u notice paris and prince look?
(http://i49.tinypic.com/4q642q.jpg)
i was like omg when mj was singing
i said to myself "this is live"
i need to see their speeches again but im not sure if i can handle it right now. theyre the ones that really made me sad. made me question this whole thing. but again they weren't crying and even i was tryin to keep it all in but failing miserably.
same here
i was like freking shaking and crying and just lost all my hope then....
but deffinetly IT WAS LIVE
the speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxxhvghQlfc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxxhvghQlfc)
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and did u notice paris and prince look?
(http://i49.tinypic.com/4q642q.jpg)
i was like omg when mj was singing
i said to myself "this is live"
Interesting :ugeek:
i just noticed something to about the red arm band....
OK mj always wore it on his right arm yes i kno...but didnt u notice the other ppl wearing the band on the opposite side that MJ did because he has "died" so his kids wearing it on the right side as if he were "alive" right?
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Yes. Michael's voice definitely current. Compare it with any youtube video. The voice tonight was deeper. Even in the beginning when Michael is talking. Clearly different.
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i love when Lionel says Michael WAS gone too soon lol how cute...i dont get Paris's speech lol what was the point in that?...and when Prince was like we would like to thank your.. the fans lol
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and did u notice paris and prince look?
(http://i49.tinypic.com/4q642q.jpg)
i was like omg when mj was singing
i said to myself "this is live"
Interesting :ugeek:
i just noticed something to about the red arm band....
OK mj always wore it on his right arm yes i kno...but didnt u notice the other ppl wearing the band on the opposite side that MJ did because he has "died" so his kids wearing it on the right side as if he were "alive" right?
hmm.. something to consider :geek:
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i love when Lionel says Michael WAS gone too soon lol how cute...i dont get Paris's speech lol what was the point in that?...and when Prince was like we would like to thank your.. the fans lol
poor things
they were adorable :x
it doesnt really matter this but i thing paris wanted to say that he was supposed to perform this year(TII or GRAMMY) but he couldnt
haha lol smth like that
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that sounds real LIVE, i got tears welling in my eyes, and i miss him more and more.
p/s: watched their speech. prince looked so nervous, but he did well so did paris. proud of them!
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Yea, I don't think he sung it live, but it more than likely was recorded again for this. Michael's voice is actually a lot deeper live than on record. Just listen to him sing in TII. I think that's why he lipsynced some of his songs live because his voice does have a different effect in a live setting. it seemed to get that way as he got older, which it would naturally do. It's more bassy live and harder to recreate the effect of what it sounds like on records recorded over 15 years ago.
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OMG ! I could clearly hear : What if I live again. :o This is so great ! Michael, I know your out there :D
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i didnt get the point of paris speech also, but i heard the part about
what if I LIVE AGAIN,
do YOU give a damm
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i didnt get the point of paris speech also, but i heard the part about
what if I LIVE AGAIN,
do YOU give a damm
i hear " what about death again"
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and did u notice paris and prince look?
(http://i49.tinypic.com/4q642q.jpg)
i was like omg when mj was singing
i said to myself "this is live"
Interesting :ugeek:
Paris'e shirt under her coat jacket remind's me of MJ's shirt in the ghost's video!!
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Okay so I watched the MJ tribute tonight on the grammys and I'm feeling 100% that he was singing live. :) I was shocked that it sounded like he was right on stage with everybody else that was singing. :shock: As soon as I heard his voice I told my family man it sound just like he is there singing live. That was my first thought and my family agreed with me too. It sounded too crystal clear to be a recording. So this really convinces me that MJ is still alive and behind the scenes.
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i didnt get the point of paris speech also, but i heard the part about
what if I LIVE AGAIN,
do YOU give a damm
i hear " what about death again"
im for sure i heard it,
but when i listened again. what about abraham was gone and there was.
what if i live again, what about death again, do we give a damm.
so i listened again, and abraham was back and what if i live again was gone.
lol am i going to get crazy.
im sure i heard it this way, it was strange. i thought what now are they changing it.
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http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/micha ... --44116925 (http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/michael-jackson/ghost--44116925)
Paris's white top really reminds me of mj's in this video. ;)
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they are wonderul children I feel proud of them and they are not mine. to get up there and talk at that age is incredable.
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O.K. JUST TO SAY I HAVE NOT STOPPED CRYING TODAY AFTER WATCHING THE GRAMMY VIDEO........I DONT KNOW WHAT TO THINK ANYMORE............HOW CAN THIS GO ON AND ON AND ON..........ITS TOO DISTRESSING.........XXXXX
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I kind of agree with @loyalfan.. the grammy made me very, very depressed..
and i don't even know why.. but, anyway, i didn't lost my faith, i just don't know how much pain i can endure...
but, these news.. wow! make everything worth it.
i love you guys.
btw, i guess Paris forgot her lines.. LOL
what she said was too confuse.. like, hey, daddy would be performing here, but he couldn't perform last year. LOL
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I was just watching the Grammys again because its been repeated and when I listened to Earth song
again the beginning is very clear and its sounds live I thought that the first time I heard but dismissed it but after hearing it several times parts of it sounds live especially in the beginning then some of it sounds like the recorded version...
Yes Weird..
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Well we indeed hear him clear his throat,if that was recorded,he would have fix that part,no????
I don't know if the recording was not clear but I didn't hear him clear his throat at all.
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The kids look adorable and I love what they were wearing especially Paris's blouse! I've listened to it again and I can't hear the "what if I live"-part but I did hear him clear his throat but I had to really really focus and turn the volume up. Idk, with all the technology today there is a big chance that it was a recording. When he talks in the beginning is definitely a recording...
I don't think Paris's speech should be analyzed too much because she probably just wanted to say what we already know, that Michael was supposed to perform this year at the Grammy's. She probably forgot the rest cuz she seemed nervous. I can't make out if the kids were close to tears or if they were simply nervous...
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You know I don't know if it was live.. I HOPE!!! but it just sounds like it was from a cd. just a cd from his album. I hope I am wrong. But lots of things were just too beautiful. Like it was not live. Like the what about us part. Michael didn't did it live in his tours right? I thought not. And if he does it live now, it sounds just too good you know! Don't misunderstand me!! :D But I just think that there has to be a false note or something especially when he sings so loud and strong you know. With his 30th annivesary he song live. Like the way you make me feel. But you can hear some other notes you know. Other notes then the original and I didn't heard it here.. :(
And I also hear something like: What if I live again. But not clear: Live so I am not sure if we are right but I hope ofcourse :)
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Are we sure it isnt smokey clearing his throat?
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Are we sure it isnt smokey clearing his throat?
where do you hear he is clearing his throat? :) Sorry, I missed something :P
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It's not Michael clearing his throat. It's one of the performers. I don't want to sound like Debbie Downer here, but there is a possibility of jacking up the vox on MJ when they remixed the track. It's a canned track because they pulled the vox out for the performers. The levels were simply manipulated. No live band, it was karaoke at it's finest. There is 98% NO WAY he was there live singing without it being leaked from someone on staff. Not to say he isn't still alive, just saying that he wasn't live.
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Are we sure it isnt smokey clearing his throat?
where do you hear he is clearing his throat? :) Sorry, I missed something :P
It's very subtle. But it's where the OP said it was. That's why I think it could be smokey. Cause the mic was kind of near his chest. He could of taken the opportunity to clear his throat a little and the mic picked it up.
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All these scenes remind me of what Michael said a couple of years ago in one of his interviews:"I would like to disapper in some way and do my things behind the curtain(smth like that), not visually".
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All these scenes remind me of what Michael said a couple of years ago in one of his interviews:"I would like to disapper in some way and do my things behind the curtain(smth like that), not visually".
yeah I remember that too. Those kind of things were also in Smulleys book.. (eww)
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..just for you to know....BOW said once that we had to listen carefully to earth song...the were clues in it.I start to believe she is very legit. AND THANKS TO YOUR POST,I COULD HEAR IF I LIVE AGAIN!!! I am not english..can you please listen for me what else he is saying different from original version?ANd also tell me...I am adressing to american people...How clear it is If I live again? To you think it is just what us believers want to hear,or it is pretty clear?
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..just for you to know....BOW said once that we had to listen carefully to earth song...the were clues in it.I start to believe she is very legit. AND THANKS TO YOUR POST,I COULD HEAR IF I LIVE AGAIN!!! I am not english..can you please listen for me what else he is saying different from original version?ANd also tell me...I am adressing to american people...How clear it is If I live again? To you think it is just what us believers want to hear,or it is pretty clear?
Yeah I thought that too. Maybe we just wanna hear it :P But I hear something like 'live' but not a clear 'L'
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:roll:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3vTBiOsSGY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3vTBiOsSGY)
minute 5:54...don't you think that also here if you listen he says if I live again?
First I was excited..then I tried to listen to the original version and it seems the same..Am I wrong?Please tell me yes...
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Sounds like 'What about everything'.
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mj may very well have recorded the song sang 'live' to be played at the this is it concert, like how he did for this other songs eg. smooth criminal
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Sounds like 'What about everything'.
sorry ,I mean 5:59..right after...Can't you hear if I live again? I am italian..so I can be wrong..
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Well we indeed hear him clear his throat,if that was recorded,he would have fix that part,no????
I don't know if the recording was not clear but I didn't hear him clear his throat at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4)
At 3:12,I could be wrong but I kind a hear a sound with my headphones :?
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I dont think it was Michael clearing his throat, sounds like it could be either Smokey or Usher to me :?
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I didn't saw it live but my boyfriend did!!
And I have to say: He's a non-believer!
But:
This morning, he told me, that he saw the tribute live on tv at about 4 this morning...
and he said: "The first two or 3 verses were playback, but at the last part I was like :OMG! It sounded like he stood behind the stage, singing live"
And I was like :shock: and :D at the same time!
and we watched it again on Youtube in HQ and I got goosebumps....! It really sounded like he was there, singin behind the stage!!
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Most tv's nowadays come with a "closed caption" feature. Even if something is live you should still have the closed captioning available...maybe this would clear up the "live" and "death" thing up. But I too thought that MJ's voice sounded too clear to have been recorded compared to the other singers.
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Most tv's nowadays come with a "closed caption" feature. Even if something is live you should still have the closed captioning available...maybe this would clear up the "live" and "death" thing up. But I too thought that MJ's voice sounded too clear to have been recorded compared to the other singers.
and compared with his first 2 verses ( they sounded playback) but the last part was like live ...like he wanted to show us he's there
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Earth Song Tribute @ Grammy's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4) stop it at 3:12 (clears his throat)
Earth Song LIVE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI)
stop at 5:01 he doesn't clear his throat or anything on that peformance
*EDIT* have the your volume HIGH to hear it at 3:12
*Re-Edit* Thought this deserved to be here too. *NEW DISCOVERY*
@ 5:00 it sounds like ''what if i live again'' but in the original song it's what about death again...
*EDIT* http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-j (http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-j) ... yrics.html
Original:
(What was us)
What about death again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn
Aaaaaaaaah Ooooooooh
Grammy:
(What was us)
What about ''if i live'' again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn
Aaaaaaaaah Ooooooooh
I can clearly hear someone clears his throat....and it's not Usher or the other singers ( I looked at every face of them when the part came, I repeated it a lot)...and with the "what if I live again" I'm not so sure....
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if mike had sung it live or recorded it, too many pp would have been involved, or do you think its hollywoods best kept secret?
just asking
x
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if mike had sung it live or recorded it, too many pp would have been involved, or do you think its hollywoods best kept secret?
just asking
x
But Ken Ehrlich and MJ are very close friends ( and yeah I think Usher is involved with that) Maybe noone else knew that he's gonna sing it live....or they just had to sign a contract or something...
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I posted this in the other hoax death site, before seeing this thread...
I immediately, thought that MJ was performing LIVE. He conveyed SUCH "emotion" !! There's NO WAY that wasn't Michael singing LIVE.
I also thought it was interesting how Prince said how "GOD" has been watching over them these past seven months. I would've expected him to say,"Daddy", if MJ were really deceased.
I think that 3T was onstage to "help" them feel more comfortable and agree that Paris was on the verge of letting the"cat out of the bag" (somehow) (fyi- she looked so pretty and mature).
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/blackat81/sigwild.png)
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I posted this in the other hoax death site, before seeing this thread...
I immediately, thought that MJ was performing LIVE. He conveyed SUCH "emotion" !! There's NO WAY that wasn't Michael singing LIVE.
I also thought it was interesting how Prince said how "GOD" has been watching over them these past seven months. I would've expected him to say,"Daddy", if MJ were really deceased.
I think that 3T was onstage to "help" them feel more comfortable and agree that Paris was on the verge of letting the"cat out of the bag" (somehow) (fyi- she looked so pretty and mature).
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/blackat81/sigwild.png)
When I saw Paris speaking at the last moment...she looked like she wanted to say something more but then decided not to..or am I the only one who noticed that?
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I posted this in the other hoax death site, before seeing this thread...
I immediately, thought that MJ was performing LIVE. He conveyed SUCH "emotion" !! There's NO WAY that wasn't Michael singing LIVE.
I also thought it was interesting how Prince said how "GOD" has been watching over them these past seven months. I would've expected him to say,"Daddy", if MJ were really deceased.
I think that 3T was onstage to "help" them feel more comfortable and agree that Paris was on the verge of letting the"cat out of the bag" (somehow) (fyi- she looked so pretty and mature).
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/blackat81/sigwild.png)
Wow! This gif in your sighiture is JUST AMASING AND HOT!!!!! HOT HOT HOT!!!
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I posted this in the other hoax death site, before seeing this thread...
I immediately, thought that MJ was performing LIVE. He conveyed SUCH "emotion" !! There's NO WAY that wasn't Michael singing LIVE.
I also thought it was interesting how Prince said how "GOD" has been watching over them these past seven months. I would've expected him to say,"Daddy", if MJ were really deceased.
I think that 3T was onstage to "help" them feel more comfortable and agree that Paris was on the verge of letting the"cat out of the bag" (somehow) (fyi- she looked so pretty and mature).
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/blackat81/sigwild.png)
When I saw Paris speaking at the last moment...she looked like she wanted to say something more but then decided not to..or am I the only one who noticed that?
I Also think that something with her speech went wrong. I think she wanted to say more and I think what she said now was also not what should happen. I think she was just really nervous that's why it didnt went really great ;)
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I agree it sounded live. But let's think logically here. Suppose he were backstage and in disguise. Suppose he sang that part. How do you keep all the people working backstage quiet about this? This involves so many more people at this point - than his circle of trusted friends. The only way this was pulled off is,if it was a NEW recording made by him specifically for the Grammy's show. I can't think of any other way.
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I agree it sounded live. But let's think logically here. Suppose he were backstage and in disguise. Suppose he sang that part. How do you keep all the people working backstage quiet about this? This involves so many more people at this point - than his circle of trusted friends. The only way this was pulled off is,if it was a NEW recording made by him specifically for the Grammy's show. I can't think of any other way.
yeah thats also what I think.. Is that even possible?
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More TELLING, is the fact that Blanket , wasn't on stage. I mean EVEN if he didn't "speak", I feel that he could've still stood off to the side or something.
I've gotten a "vibe" from the kids (from the beginning-memorial) that something is not quite "right".
They seem so well-adjusted (of course, being raised by a terrific father) for kids who have gone through SUCH "trauma". Plus, considering that they probably had minimal contact with their extended family, prior to MJ's "death", it seems like their lives (from what we've been shown) have gone on, as if, nothing has happened.
I'm NO expert but....even in an "average Joe" family, usually one if not more of the kids "react" negatively to the death of a parent...in some way. The grief manifests itself, somehow! IE.... in their mood, behavior, etc...
Add to the fact that were talking about an ICON, Michael Jackson. I just don't view the families overall "grief", as ginuine.
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You guys,
Regarding clearing the throat bit on 3.12 on the grammy tribute (link posted by the original poster of this thread), try to ignore the clearing throat and focus on Smokey and Usher..It weren't them that was clearing their throat..Both of their mikes (no pun intended), were obviously a bit further than the position when they were singing their part and no gestures whatsoever that indicate them clearing throat..no lips/jaw movement..Right now i got goosebumps, coz whoever clear his throat on 3.12, i am 100% sure it wasn't Usher/Smokey..considering they were the only 2 male perfomers with microphone on, i don't know..it seems odd but it could be Mike :shock:
As for the 5.00 bit on the tribute..what i heard was a mix of 'death' and 'live'..for me it sounded like 'deave/deaf'..'what about if i 'deave' again'..
My opinion is, if our assumption is correct (that MJ still alive), the mixed word is done intentionally, for it's being a hint yet not to make it too obvious..
But i love it, feels like Michael was really up there on the stage..
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you are right on this, the kids seems very in balance, since day one. The only thing was the speech Paris gave at the memorial, but no tears...
Your signature is hot , by the way :D I could look at it all day long.
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Wow! This gif in your sighiture is JUST AMASING AND HOT!!!!! HOT HOT HOT!!![/quote]
Thanks, I saw it on another site and after reading and analyzing the "placement" of words, i'm wondering if there isn't another message, within a message!
Look at the word HISTORY and see what "other" words, come up, using those letters....
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/blackat81/sigwild.png)
How about "THIS IS IT"? ;)
ADDENDUM....
LMAO....My bad! I thought you were referring to the other image.
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You guys,
Regarding clearing the throat bit on 3.12 on the grammy tribute (link posted by the original poster of this thread), try to ignore the clearing throat and focus on Smokey and Usher..It weren't them that was clearing their throat..Both of their mikes (no pun intended), were obviously a bit further than the position when they were singing their part and no gestures whatsoever that indicate them clearing throat..no lips/jaw movement..Right now i got goosebumps, coz whoever clear his throat on 3.12, i am 100% sure it wasn't Usher/Smokey..considering they were the only 2 male perfomers with microphone on, i don't know..it seems odd but it could be Mike :shock:
As for the 5.00 bit on the tribute..what i heard was a mix of 'death' and 'live'..for me it sounded like 'deave/deaf'..'what about if i 'deave' again'..
My opinion is, if our assumption is correct (that MJ still alive), the mixed word is done intentionally, for it's being a hint yet not to make it too obvious..
But i love it, feels like Michael was really up there on the stage..
So was it a rerecord for us ? I truly don't think he would of been back there singing. I truly think it was redone with that intent and we found it.
As far as the kids, they are super well adjusted. But Prince was well rehearsed last night - he got his dad's message across loud & clear. These kids have TERRIFIC upbringing.
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Yeah I also think it was not live, but I think this version of Earth Song Michael recorded this year. After his death. I think that ;)
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in the tribute before "what about yesterday" you can hear the bit of a hiccup sound michael did.
but if you listen to the short film for earth song you don't hear the hiccup.
[youtube:27gohvs0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAi3VTSdTxU[/youtube:27gohvs0] starting from 4:11 you dont hear the hiccup like you hear in the tribute
i don't know. I'm very depressed after seeing the kids and all.
but i won't leave intil i see more unfold. but im depressed and discouraged to say the least.
But Michael wasn't on the "in memoriam" list,that's a good thing ;)
Do they also do an in memorian list at the Grammys?? Well I suppousse like at the Oscars and he was not on the list?' Well, they probably thought the part dedicated to him,should be enough?¿ :?: :?:
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Did you noticed that Jennifer Hudson changed the lyrics. She said "What is wrong with us" the original lyrics are "Where did we go wrong." I feel that was live performance by MJ. Even my daughter thought same thing. It didn't sound like a recording. I didn't hear "What if I live again." I heard "What about death again." I listen to the Grammy Video several times and he still said "What about death again." I also felt that Paris was slipping up again. My daughter thinks someone told her to stop.
Also, I did hear him take a breathe.
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It could be " what if i'd live again" so that's why we can hear the "d". I'm just thinkin'..somethimes i hear that, somethimes i don't.
Dunno... :shock:
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Earth Song Tribute @ Grammy's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4) stop it at 3:12 (clears his throat)
Earth Song LIVE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI)
stop at 5:01 he doesn't clear his throat or anything on that peformance
*EDIT* have the your volume HIGH to hear it at 3:12
*Re-Edit* Thought this deserved to be here too. *NEW DISCOVERY*
@ 5:00 it sounds like ''what if i live again'' but in the original song it's what about death again...
*EDIT* http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-j (http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-j) ... yrics.html
Original:
(What was us)
What about death again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn
Aaaaaaaaah Ooooooooh
Grammy:
(What was us)
What about ''if i live'' again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn
Aaaaaaaaah Ooooooooh
I can clearly hear someone clears his throat....and it's not Usher or the other singers ( I looked at every face of them when the part came, I repeated it a lot)...and with the "what if I live again" I'm not so sure....
There's something else I want to add to that list
[youtube:33ws8t27]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ENvhzDokIg[/youtube:33ws8t27]
This is the video from the Grammy's ... now @ 5:12 (after do we give a damn) he starts to do his " WHOO" sound... only he does it FOUR times..and listen to the LAST (4th) Woooh, it almost sounds like he is out of breath.
Now Listen to this (This is the actual recorded version of Earth song)
[youtube:33ws8t27]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3vTBiOsSGY[/youtube:33ws8t27]
Listen @ 6:05 (After Do we give a damn)
He "sings" his "WHOOO" 12 times(!!)
[youtube:33ws8t27]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJqIEU6RfUo[/youtube:33ws8t27]
This is a live version (probably with the vocals running in the background)
But also in this LIVE version you hear @ 6:10 (Again after do we give a damn)
The WHOOO is again 12 times.. not 4 times... (You can also hear his "out of breath "WHOOO" here..)
[youtube:33ws8t27]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBiPqkQFR-k[/youtube:33ws8t27]
to back it all up I've got ANOTHER LIVE video over here
again with the 12 WHOOO's instead of 4... so...
EVEN if they used a LIVE version of his EARTH SONG... it;s not quite the same
or am I totally of here?
Yep! I noticed that, too I wondered if it were Usher makes the "Whoo" or was it Michael?? Because I could clearly hear him goin out of breath but you couldn't see if it was Usher or michael
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in the tribute before "what about yesterday" you can hear the bit of a hiccup sound michael did.
but if you listen to the short film for earth song you don't hear the hiccup.
[youtube:2s26odbo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAi3VTSdTxU[/youtube:2s26odbo] starting from 4:11 you dont hear the hiccup like you hear in the tribute
i don't know. I'm very depressed after seeing the kids and all.
but i won't leave intil i see more unfold. but im depressed and discouraged to say the least.
But Michael wasn't on the "in memoriam" list,that's a good thing ;)
Do they also do an in memorian list at the Grammys?? Well I suppousse like at the Oscars and he was not on the list?' Well, they probably thought the part dedicated to him,should be enough?¿ :?: :?:
I noticed too. I thought the same thing, but they still could've put him on the list. That make you think, they know he's not dead. MJ and Ken Ehrlich are good friends And he did meet with MJ on June 24th about the Grammys.
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if mike had sung it live or recorded it, too many pp would have been involved, or do you think its hollywoods best kept secret?
just asking
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I thought the exact same thing.
And sorry to spoil but I hear what about death again
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Earth Song Tribute @ Grammy's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4) stop it at 3:12 (clears his throat)
Earth Song LIVE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI)
stop at 5:01 he doesn't clear his throat or anything on that peformance
*EDIT* have the your volume HIGH to hear it at 3:12
*Re-Edit* Thought this deserved to be here too. *NEW DISCOVERY*
@ 5:00 it sounds like ''what if i live again'' but in the original song it's what about death again...
*EDIT* http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-j (http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-j) ... yrics.html
Original:
(What was us)
What about death again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn
Aaaaaaaaah Ooooooooh
Grammy:
(What was us)
What about ''if i live'' again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn
Aaaaaaaaah Ooooooooh
I can clearly hear someone clears his throat....and it's not Usher or the other singers ( I looked at every face of them when the part came, I repeated it a lot)...and with the "what if I live again" I'm not so sure....
There's something else I want to add to that list
[youtube:5zszc4ju]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ENvhzDokIg[/youtube:5zszc4ju]
This is the video from the Grammy's ... now @ 5:12 (after do we give a damn) he starts to do his " WHOO" sound... only he does it FOUR times..and listen to the LAST (4th) Woooh, it almost sounds like he is out of breath.
Now Listen to this (This is the actual recorded version of Earth song)
[youtube:5zszc4ju]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3vTBiOsSGY[/youtube:5zszc4ju]
Listen @ 6:05 (After Do we give a damn)
He "sings" his "WHOOO" 12 times(!!)
[youtube:5zszc4ju]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJqIEU6RfUo[/youtube:5zszc4ju]
This is a live version (probably with the vocals running in the background)
But also in this LIVE version you hear @ 6:10 (Again after do we give a damn)
The WHOOO is again 12 times.. not 4 times... (You can also hear his "out of breath "WHOOO" here..)
[youtube:5zszc4ju]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBiPqkQFR-k[/youtube:5zszc4ju]
to back it all up I've got ANOTHER LIVE video over here
again with the 12 WHOOO's instead of 4... so...
EVEN if they used a LIVE version of his EARTH SONG... it;s not quite the same
or am I totally of here?
Yep! I noticed that, too I wondered if it were Usher makes the "Whoo" or was it Michael?? Because I could clearly hear him goin out of breath but you couldn't see if it was Usher or michael
The Earth Song Live video from the Brit Awards, That's a major clue. MJ being Christlike.
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Don’t forget that this was at the Staples Center where TII was filmed. There is the underground part that the dancers came up with the toaster thing..so most likely that is where Michael was singing ;)
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I didn't realize that Blanket WAS there....He looks "so much" LIKE his dad, doesn't he?[/b]
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz26/mjjfan4life/Prince%20Paris%20and%20Blanket%20Album/Blanket2010Grammyawards-1.jpg)
I have a feeling that "Blanket" is gonna have the same "PIZZAZ" as MJ and that he's gonna be "something" to behold! as he gets older. I see "Prince", as more of a scholar (low key type). "Paris", (MJ's... little princess is "lovely")..... I see her as a humanitarian, an "advocate" and passionate about whatever she decides to focus on, in the future.
I can't help but to only think of them as Michael's sweet little babies that we've come to know and LOVE..... from the home videos, pics, etc. They're GROWING UP though.... (http://www.maximum-jackson.com/discussion/images/smilies/unhappy.gif)
I wish the "three" of them.....MANY BLESSINGS!!!
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Hi, I want to tell you something very important. In Earth Song his voice sounds similar to all voices that sang that night, if it was a recording should have sound different at least a little bit. Because of the transmittion from a recorded device to audition devices there.I dont know all the technic terminology hope you understand.
And the most imp. is the final part sang by Jennifer H.
Can't you hear them cry
(What about us)
Where did we go wrong
(ooo, ooo)
Someone tell me why(What about us)
This "WHY" IS IMP. she sang a long WHYYYYYYYYY
and Michael makes an intro on WHYYY, while she was still singing not finishing the WHYYYYY
So this intro shows that MJ sang here LIVE, can't be a recording is difficult to make and sounds different
pls. listen again THIS IS A PROOF
if you rememeber when many ppl sing on a stage a song the use to do the same make an intro on other word because it's a smooth pass from one to other and a better effect of the melody and sound.
When I heard this I was sure here was LIVE i mean the last part.
And pls remember at the Memorial Will you be there last part of MJ sounds so perfect the same LIVE, even the interpretation there was more emotional, I am sure this 2 songs are imp. for this. Then at Memorial I was 70% convinced he was LIVE in the final, here at Grammy I'm 99% convinced for this last part of the song.Michael is brilliant he uses this 2 songs with a purpose, both are emotional, in both his voice can be heard clear both are songs for voice and chorus than instrumental part.
and here comes Michael
What about babies
(What about it)
What about the days
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The ending was live the emotion that came from that part was amazing, people ask how could he have done it live with no one knowing well how could he pull off a hoax without people knowing, anything is possible with Michael
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Wow! This gif in your sighiture is JUST AMASING AND HOT!!!!! HOT HOT HOT!!!
Thanks, I saw it on another site and after reading and analyzing the "placement" of words, i'm wondering if there isn't another message, within a message!
Look at the word HISTORY and see what "other" words, come up, using those letters....
How about "THIS IS IT"? ;)
ADDENDUM....
LMAO....My bad! I thought you were referring to the other image.[/quote]
OMG! You want to kill me?! :P The third animated image from badtour is just HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!! :o :shock:
No, I don't know the word in English to describe what I feel
Jee.. :oops:
I won't sleep tonight
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I just say it again pls listen to Jennifer H. at the end of the song with that WHYYYYYYYYYYYY LONG and how Michael makes that INTRO and she is still singing from this word. Here MJ is singing LIVE. A recording of MJ voice with the next line on this part performed by Jennifer like she did wouldn't be easy or sound good, because IS NOT HER THAT MAKES INTRO AT MICHAEL, IS HIM !!, that is the difference. Yes, if it was Michael's voice recorded she could make her intro in the middle of the word said by him but here Michael makes a perfect INTRO almost at the half of the time when she is singing WHYYYYYYY. Please listen and think about it. I'm am sure you heard in many songs sang by many people on a stage that kind of introes, are specific for melodies sang by many is like "taking over" from one to another as I said for a smooth path from a voice to other. Hope you understand my mother language is not English and these are details much to specific to the music domain. Someone with experience in music domain can explain better than me.
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Very very beautiful, just brilliant (and kindly announced as being pre-recorded...).
It is out of question for me now that Michael is in any protection program or facing any nwo related issue.
He would not have the technical equipment of a first class studio there to fade his voice so seamlessly into a life performance of other persons.
Nobody needed to be in the know except the technical and production staff mixing together. That's a hand full only.
MJ could have been anywhere on the planet.
This is the best show on earth I ever was honoured to be able to witness.
Smiling from east to west.
Do you acknowledge guys what a privilege we are being given? These are VIP seats right now.
It is breathtaking.
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But friends, How can Michael sing there live? Hundreds of people are backstage. I don't think he would sing it in his backstage room. How you think Michael would do that? I don't think its live. (hope Im wrong) I think it was recorded after his death but not live.
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With "MJ" in charge, ANY and EVERYTHING is possible. There could be SECURITY levels "within" his SECURITY. Yes, is seems implausable that he could be there behind the scenes (which means more and more people would be in on the hoax). But it could be POSSIBLE. I think the more realistic explanation would be that he has a small group of people who know the truth. Think of it as an "onion" (sorry...nothing else comes to mind), which has "LAYERS".
There is general "security" for the venue....then there's the family's "security".... then there's "security" that is specific to MJ's kids. He could be backstage....
at another location (within the stadium) or EVEN, if he was to be SO BOLD. "Incognito" walking around with yet, ANOTHER, layer of "security" around him.
I wouldn't put ANYTHING past the lengths he would go to, to pull this off. That said, this whole "undertaking" would've HAD TO have been.... soooo strategically planned, YEARS AGO! MJ and his "people" would've had to consider and work through, "every" possible scenario that may come up, that could jeapordize the "hoax".
And I believe they HAVE. He would've HAD to have known that there would be some who may question things. Especially given how the series of events (that they "say") happened, last June.....went down. There was nothing CONCRETE about the way they claim, MJ, "died". Where the hell is this Dr. Murray? Why has this been swept under the rug? We're talking about the KING OF POP! Why isn't the family marching in front of the courthouse for Murray's "head" on a platter?!
Where's the outrage? It's as if the "family", by their INACTION, has admitted "YES, WE ACCEPT THAT MICHAEL "KNOWINGLY" PUT HIMSELF, IN HARMS WAY AND PASSED AWAY, JUST LIKE "DR. MURRAY" STATED. IT WAS PUT IN "PRINT" FANS, THEREFORE, IT'S THE GOSPEL! NOW LET'S JUST GET PAST THIS, PUT OUT THIS "REALITY SHOW" AND GO ON WITH OUR LIVES....?!
?! Now doesn't that sound ridiculous, when it's layed out that way?
There is DOUBT and SUSPICION because, DOUBT and SUSPICION have been "placed" before us....so that we will "question" what we've been told!!!
It's REALLY, as simple as that.
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Ok i was so thrilled when i read here that the lyrics in the Earh Song were a bit changed,so i checked it out very carefully,while listening to it very loudly i was reading the lyrics of the song very carefully,so they were the same,it was not changed,it said: What about the crying man
What about Abraham
What about death again
Do we give a damn
the Grammy's Earth Song lyrics was just the same as the original one,it was not changed,cause i was listening very carefully and for several times,what a pitty,it got me down,neverthless we have other great clues,esp that he was not mentioned in the memorial list. ;)
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The kids look adorable and I love what they were wearing especially Paris's blouse! I've listened to it again and I can't hear the "what if I live"-part but I did hear him clear his throat but I had to really really focus and turn the volume up. Idk, with all the technology today there is a big chance that it was a recording. When he talks in the beginning is definitely a recording...
I don't think Paris's speech should be analyzed too much because she probably just wanted to say what we already know, that Michael was supposed to perform this year at the Grammy's. She probably forgot the rest cuz she seemed nervous. I can't make out if the kids were close to tears or if they were simply nervous...
Those children are beautiful and are very manerable. They also seem to really depend on the support of each other, which is a wonderful way to have been taught. To me the children appeared to be very nervous. You could see it from the moment they stepped on stage. The constant looks at each other appeared to be them comforting each other with eye contact, reassuring the other that I'm here with you. At times when they couldn't remember the words they would look also toward their cousin for support. I just think they were so nervous they couldn't concentrate on the speech. As a child, I've been there before as I'm sure many other adults can remember from grade school plays etc. Paris was so nervous, almost nothing came out. Again, the children were extremely nervous standing before so many people regardless of the fact of whether their dad is alive or not.
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I know mayn of you thinking " How could he be there without being noticed"...
Well maybe there could be an area "closed up" for not being entered ( like a lot of Venues have)
Just remember that Ken Ehrlich and Michael are very close friends and they met on June 24th.
And I also think: With MIchael, anything is possible. Expect the unexpactable.
Just my opnion
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I posted this in the other hoax death site, before seeing this thread...
I immediately, thought that MJ was performing LIVE. He conveyed SUCH "emotion" !! There's NO WAY that wasn't Michael singing LIVE.
I also thought it was interesting how Prince said how "GOD" has been watching over them these past seven months. I would've expected him to say,"Daddy", if MJ were really deceased.
I think that 3T was onstage to "help" them feel more comfortable and agree that Paris was on the verge of letting the"cat out of the bag" (somehow) (fyi- she looked so pretty and mature).
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/blackat81/sigwild.png)
When I saw Paris speaking at the last moment...she looked like she wanted to say something more but then decided not to..or am I the only one who noticed that?
That was my point: She wanted to say something else!!! Glad to see you saw that too :)
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I posted this in the other hoax death site, before seeing this thread...
I immediately, thought that MJ was performing LIVE. He conveyed SUCH "emotion" !! There's NO WAY that wasn't Michael singing LIVE.
I also thought it was interesting how Prince said how "GOD" has been watching over them these past seven months. I would've expected him to say,"Daddy", if MJ were really deceased.
I think that 3T was onstage to "help" them feel more comfortable and agree that Paris was on the verge of letting the"cat out of the bag" (somehow) (fyi- she looked so pretty and mature).
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/blackat81/sigwild.png)
When I saw Paris speaking at the last moment...she looked like she wanted to say something more but then decided not to..or am I the only one who noticed that?
That was my point: She wanted to say something else!!! Glad to see you saw that too :)
I noticed that the first time I watched....It could mean nothing but I thought it was interesting to mention it :)
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I posted this in the other hoax death site, before seeing this thread...
I immediately, thought that MJ was performing LIVE. He conveyed SUCH "emotion" !! There's NO WAY that wasn't Michael singing LIVE.
I also thought it was interesting how Prince said how "GOD" has been watching over them these past seven months. I would've expected him to say,"Daddy", if MJ were really deceased.
I think that 3T was onstage to "help" them feel more comfortable and agree that Paris was on the verge of letting the"cat out of the bag" (somehow) (fyi- she looked so pretty and mature).
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/blackat81/sigwild.png)
When I saw Paris speaking at the last moment...she looked like she wanted to say something more but then decided not to..or am I the only one who noticed that?
That was my point: She wanted to say something else!!! Glad to see you saw that too :)
It looks like she's hesitating about what to say...
But no matter how hard I try, I here 'what about death again'...
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Earth Song Tribute @ Grammy's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4) stop it at 3:12 (clears his throat)
Earth Song LIVE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI)
stop at 5:01 he doesn't clear his throat or anything on that peformance
*EDIT* have the your volume HIGH to hear it at 3:12
*Re-Edit* Thought this deserved to be here too. *NEW DISCOVERY*
@ 5:00 it sounds like ''what if i live again'' but in the original song it's what about death again...
*EDIT* http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-j (http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-j) ... yrics.html
Original:
(What was us)
What about death again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn
Aaaaaaaaah Ooooooooh
Grammy:
(What was us)
What about ''if i live'' again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn
Aaaaaaaaah Ooooooooh
I can clearly hear someone clears his throat....and it's not Usher or the other singers ( I looked at every face of them when the part came, I repeated it a lot)...and with the "what if I live again" I'm not so sure....
There's something else I want to add to that list
[youtube:25flflcf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ENvhzDokIg[/youtube:25flflcf]
This is the video from the Grammy's ... now @ 5:12 (after do we give a damn) he starts to do his " WHOO" sound... only he does it FOUR times..and listen to the LAST (4th) Woooh, it almost sounds like he is out of breath.
Now Listen to this (This is the actual recorded version of Earth song)
[youtube:25flflcf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3vTBiOsSGY[/youtube:25flflcf]
Listen @ 6:05 (After Do we give a damn)
He "sings" his "WHOOO" 12 times(!!)
[youtube:25flflcf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJqIEU6RfUo[/youtube:25flflcf]
This is a live version (probably with the vocals running in the background)
But also in this LIVE version you hear @ 6:10 (Again after do we give a damn)
The WHOOO is again 12 times.. not 4 times... (You can also hear his "out of breath "WHOOO" here..)
[youtube:25flflcf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBiPqkQFR-k[/youtube:25flflcf]
to back it all up I've got ANOTHER LIVE video over here
again with the 12 WHOOO's instead of 4... so...
EVEN if they used a LIVE version of his EARTH SONG... it;s not quite the same
or am I totally of here?
Yep! I noticed that, too I wondered if it were Usher makes the "Whoo" or was it Michael?? Because I could clearly hear him goin out of breath but you couldn't see if it was Usher or michael
They could have shortened it to only 4 whoos...in my opinion...but it did sound out of breath on the 4th one...but you also got a live version where he sounded out of breath on the 4th woo...so maybe they used that version just saying
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Eva in all that big Staples is very easy for him, but again I'm talking about something specific in the music, if somebody here knows about music can say better than me how was make that intro part of Michael while Jennifer was still singing, she didn't stop!!!! both voices hers and his were heard in the same time not for long but for seconds, so technically this can be PERFECT as sound ONLY IF IS LIVE SINGING BY BOTH SINGERS.
And if I'm not wrong Staples is owned by AEG.
And by the way, you are speaking about the last lines of the song- Abraham- if I remember well KO had a message about 1 month ago were he wrote sometihng with Blessing ..DANCE, first part of word I don't remember, I looked on net and this word Dance and Blessing led me directly to a link with a song related to Abraham.On that moment I did not made the connections, I know Abraham from Bible, but suddenly know I realize I must related to Earth Song : "What about Abraham"
[youtube:36iq7htt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NanUoTv4DnM[/youtube:36iq7htt]
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More TELLING, is the fact that Blanket , wasn't on stage. I mean EVEN if he didn't "speak", I feel that he could've still stood off to the side or something.
I've gotten a "vibe" from the kids (from the beginning-memorial) that something is not quite "right".
They seem so well-adjusted (of course, being raised by a terrific father) for kids who have gone through SUCH "trauma". Plus, considering that they probably had minimal contact with their extended family, prior to MJ's "death", it seems like their lives (from what we've been shown) have gone on, as if, nothing has happened.
I'm NO expert but....even in an "average Joe" family, usually one if not more of the kids "react" negatively to the death of a parent...in some way. The grief manifests itself, somehow! IE.... in their mood, behavior, etc...
Add to the fact that were talking about an ICON, Michael Jackson. I just don't view the families overall "grief", as ginuine.
uhhh how do u expect us to read what you posted when have such Hot gifs on your posts.
GOOD GRIEF that one from the 10 mtv anniversary is SMOKIN :D :lol: HOT
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Not live but recorded in 2009 with KO!
Stop talking nonsense! :lol:
Agree, agree and he does not sing "what if a lived again" BUT "what about death again". Sometimes I really can not stand it here.
Ah, and the history concert, which I visited in 1997 in Germany (I am still happy thinking about it), in my opinion Michael never sang completely live during the tour. He has to dance and to me it is not a problem not to sing live.
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I am certain that Michael was there singing live. I don't know why but I just have this overwhelming feeling that he was there. It just sounded like he was right there on stage singing it. And it really took me by suprise when Lional Richie said these next stars will be performingwith and for Michael I was like :shock:
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True, the sound was so good that at one point it almost sounded LIVE.
But like mentioned above, it's highly unlikely since then the organisation of the grammy's also had to be in on the "hoax". Also unlikely since he would not risk blowing his own cover
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This is the deal and I dont wanna hear anymore about it dammit!! :D
Ok...Obviously this is a different recording then anyone has heard before...it could have been recorded after his "death"...but maybe not....we simply dont know.
There are ways to dub out someones voice in a song. With Celine, Smokey, Usher, Carrie and Jennifer singing this live, they probably just dubbed out Michaels voice in the parts THEY SANG and left in the parts where we hear MJ.
Natalie Cole and her father Nat did this very thing in his song "Unforgettable". In the original he sang the whole song, as we all know, but the engineers dubbed out certain parts of her fathers voice and she sang in his place....
Michael, I dont believe was there singing live,, that would be way too risky...he recorded another version and they dubbed out certain parts and then the other singers just sang their part in his place...here is an example..
[youtube:1w2gyat2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uRtNMFfF-g[/youtube:1w2gyat2]
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uhhh how do u expect us to read what you posted when have such Hot gifs on your posts.
GOOD GRIEF that one from the 10 mtv anniversary is SMOKIN :D :lol: HOT
LOL..... You're right about that! Without getting too "graphic", i've NEVER had O's as strong as the one's i've been having.....since all these gifs, pictures of MJ have DOMINATED my computer. BTW- I AM "NOT" COMPLAINING!
As much as i'm "jealous"... all I can say is that "wherever" he is....I hope Michael is "working it out" with SOME "lucky" woman.... cause it would be a low down dirrrty SHAME!, for all of that sex appeal to just remain "stagnant".
Lord Have Mercy....."the visual" that's going through my head right now. :D
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Nope, it wasn't live.. :cry: I found the same sound at 3:12 in the acappella version of the song. It's 100% match. I've uploaded it for those who don't have it.
http://rapidshare.com/files/344490769/E ... _.mp3.html (http://rapidshare.com/files/344490769/Earth_Song__Acappella_.mp3.html)
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akiraka, I am with you.
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Nope, it wasn't live.. :cry: I found the same sound at 3:12 in the acappella version of the song. It's 100% match. I've uploaded it for those who don't have it.
http://rapidshare.com/files/344490769/E ... _.mp3.html (http://rapidshare.com/files/344490769/Earth_Song__Acappella_.mp3.html)
Aww. :( That sucks :cry:
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uhhh how do u expect us to read what you posted when have such Hot gifs on your posts.
GOOD GRIEF that one from the 10 mtv anniversary is SMOKIN :D :lol: HOT
LOL..... You're right about that! Without getting too "graphic", i've NEVER had O's as strong as the one's i've been having.....since all these gifs, pictures of MJ have DOMINATED my computer. BTW- I AM "NOT" COMPLAINING!
As much as i'm "jealous"... all I can say is that "wherever" he is....I hope Michael is "working it out" with SOME "lucky" woman.... cause it would be a low down dirrrty SHAME!, for all of that sex appeal to just remain "stagnant".
Lord Have Mercy....."the visual" that's going through my head right now. :D
OMG!!!! (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing001.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
"O's"!!!!! HA!!!!
Is it wrong to think of MJ when youre with your man???? :oops:
Ok....back to subject at hand...lets not let MJ distract us!!
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it shouldn't put you down... it couldn't have been live anyway...would have meant that people organizing the grammy's were in on the hoax... which goes against the whole concept of the hoax...
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Hell No! there ain't nothing wrong with thinking about MJ!! Hell, he's ALL I think about (he's my visual "aid"....if you will) ;) :lol:
Back to the topic!!
Ain't nobody gonna "question" MJ or his co-conspirators... FRONTSTAGE, BACKSTAGE, WHEREVER! Cause only a few, "select" individuals would be able to get CLOSE enough to his security, to ASK! Even still, his people don't have to tell them a "doggone thing." They're not "obligated" to answer any questions...
Furthermore, everything would've been setup and "HID" from view (if necessary) BEFOREHAND. IE...Camera placement, mics, trap doors, etc..
You must remember, MJ has been been making "entrances and exits" all his life! I'm sure, he's got DOWN, how to get "in and out" with ease (no pun intended).
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it shouldn't put you down... it couldn't have been live anyway...would have meant that people organizing the grammy's were in on the hoax... which goes against the whole concept of the hoax...
BUt what if the employees organizing weren't involved, but only Ken Ehrlich?
I think you can hide that if it's supposed to be kept a secret.
That could have been the thing Mj and Ehrlich have talked about when they met. Just like I said before maybe there was a closed up area where no emplyees have any access or something and MJ could have make it up from there...I think nobody would ask what the extra mic is used for...they just did their jobs
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I noticed something strange when Michael says "what about yesterday" it's not as usual.
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I noticed something strange when Michael says "what about yesterday" it's not as usual.
hm I compared the Acapella version and the Grammys-Veriosn...I played them both at the same time and they sounded the same...for me
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I posted this in the other hoax death site, before seeing this thread...
I immediately, thought that MJ was performing LIVE. He conveyed SUCH "emotion" !! There's NO WAY that wasn't Michael singing LIVE.
I also thought it was interesting how Prince said how "GOD" has been watching over them these past seven months. I would've expected him to say,"Daddy", if MJ were really deceased.
I think that 3T was onstage to "help" them feel more comfortable and agree that Paris was on the verge of letting the"cat out of the bag" (somehow) (fyi- she looked so pretty and mature).
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/blackat81/sigwild.png)
When I saw Paris speaking at the last moment...she looked like she wanted to say something more but then decided not to..or am I the only one who noticed that?
That was my point: She wanted to say something else!!! Glad to see you saw that too :)
I noticed they did keep cutting the mic out on people but I can't believe they would do it to Paris since she was probably the one everyone wanted to hear especially since she gave that "tearful"speech at the memorial. (Notice the quotation marks around tearful)
Maybe she was just too nervous and decided to cut it short instead reading out her entire speech. She must have had a longer speech. Can't believe it was that short.
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I felt it was him live right away, and the way the singers came out of the darkness
then onto the stage, was like each time i had this pit in my stomach, I thought it was
him.. He was singing.. to me they sang/acted like they were waiting for his cue.
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I felt it was him live right away, and the way the singers came out of the darkness
then onto the stage, was like each time i had this pit in my stomach, I thought it was
him.. He was singing.. to me they sang/acted like they were waiting for his cue.
for his cue to what?
I would like you to explain that a little bit more, please
I'm very curious about that :)
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lookimg around listening, for his voice..i don't know
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I indeed noticed a difference in the version when watching it live. perhaps it was him in a car doing it off site? while the kids were backstage... ? :P
Or it just might be a good quality recording of one of his MANY live performances. I'm sure mike, being the perfectionist he is had recordings of each individual sound feed for some use.
By the way when I heard Celine was going to do the tribute, I imagined her singing this so well. It was a great choice :)
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I still like the fact Lionel Richie said "Singing along and WITH Michael Jackson," then introduced them. Also, when the camera pans out, I'm gonna try to look between the screens. You know, just to see. ;)
omg i noticed that too i was like did he just say with lol
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Even compare the performance to the studio version itself, there is NO clearing of the throat.
Lionel gave it away saying they were singing "with" MJ.
My mind has officially been blown.
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Even compare the performance to the studio version itself, there is NO clearing of the throat.
Lionel gave it away saying they were singing "with" MJ.
My mind has officially been blown.
When I heard that, it felt like my heart skipped a beat.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ePkkdx11A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ePkkdx11A)
up to the right at 8.00-8.01 :D
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I see a dark shadowy figure.
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This Grammy makes me feel like another memorial. Clues is everywhere. Don't cha think? :mrgreen:
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I see a dark shadowy figure.
wHAT????? :shock: Where???
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Thank you mjlover77 on Maura's forum :D I copied it from there :[attachment=0:xuqjjwgf]whoisthat.jpg[/attachment:xuqjjwgf]
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Sorry, but I can't even see a person standing there----
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I can't see a person on your photo :?
I have listened the Earth Song Grammy song, and at the end, when MJ says " what about....!!!" I had the feeling that it was like live.
Can you please tell me if there are clue about if it was live or not ?
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Thank you mjlover77 on Maura's forum :D I copied it from there :[attachment=0:401ieb57]whoisthat.jpg[/attachment:401ieb57]
no problem ;)
u kinda have to watch the video to see movement guys
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I can't see a person on your photo :?
I have listened the Earth Song Grammy song, and at the end, when MJ says " what about....!!!" I had the feeling that it was like live.
Can you please tell me if there are clue about if it was live or not ?
Yesterday I compared the A capella version on youtube and the grammy version, and I was pretty sure it sounded the same...but now I watched it again and now it sounded like the " What about ..." was live :shock:
Are there two versions out there? :D
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I read in the other topic, that there was difference in the text.
Instead of: What about death again the lyrics that Michael sang at the Grammys sounded like:"What about if i live again"
:shock:
It's hard to decide whether it's true or not, I just couldn't make comparison, not being able to open any Earth Song video in yt. :(
Here's the link to that topic:
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4532&start=75 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4532&start=75)
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This Grammy makes me feel like another memorial. Clues is everywhere. Don't cha think? :mrgreen:
yes, lots of clues.. :)
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I read in the other topic, that there was difference in the text.
Instead of: What about death again the lyrics that Michael sang at the Grammys sounded like:"What about if i live again"
:shock:
It's hard to decide whether it's true or not, I just couldn't make comparison, not being able to open any Earth Song video in yt. :(
Here's the link to that topic:
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4532&start=75 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4532&start=75)
I hear "what about death again"
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I read in the other topic, that there was difference in the text.
Instead of: What about death again the lyrics that Michael sang at the Grammys sounded like:"What about if i live again"
:shock:
It's hard to decide whether it's true or not, I just couldn't make comparison, not being able to open any Earth Song video in yt. :(
Here's the link to that topic:
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4532&start=75 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4532&start=75)
I hear "what about death again"
Oh. :(
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This is getting werider and werider. So was it live or recorded? :|
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IDK some parts sounded recorded, some parts sounded live... I really don't know what to make of it
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Thank you mjlover77 on Maura's forum :D I copied it from there :[attachment=0:91o69f5i]whoisthat.jpg[/attachment:91o69f5i]
I see it!.... TOP LEFT "SILHOUETTE"
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=2727)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91vY9QLQOYk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91vY9QLQOYk)
6.41
8-)
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Now that I listened to it again I can't decide if it's death or live either... :?
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I clearly hear "what about death again", sorry. :(
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The lyrics aren't changed, all Michael's parts sound exactly the same as the CD version...sorry :(
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listern to it carefully he clears his throat at one part it isnt exactly the same lister NCAREFULLY even my muM heard it luk at smokey he knows that parts cumin its disguised well cant be too obvious can it pls LISTERN!!!
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Dont throw a book at me but i have to agree, it doesnt sound different than the cd version to me either.
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I clearly hear "what about death again", sorry. :(
Yes me too. Ok maybe he sang it live, but he didn't change the lyrics I believe. :(
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well here"s the actual music video for Earth Song and at about 6:02 he clearly says the same words as heard at the grammys
[youtube:26lxffm5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN4er-VQ19I[/youtube:26lxffm5]
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Listening to it over and over again I can't tell if it is saying live or death, It almost sounds like live. But I did watch the music video and the Grammy video and its the same. I heard no difference.
I watched these to videos to get the conclusion
Grammy Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91vY9QLQOYk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91vY9QLQOYk)
Music Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOnL5c8LMqM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOnL5c8LMqM)
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Sorry I can't hear it I hear death again. But I feel he is singi g live at the end
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Earth Song Tribute @ Grammy's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4) stop it at 3:12 (clears his throat)
Earth Song LIVE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI)
stop at 5:01 he doesn't clear his throat or anything on that peformance
*EDIT* have the your volume HIGH to hear it at 3:12
*Re-Edit* Thought this deserved to be here too. *NEW DISCOVERY*
@ 5:00 it sounds like ''what if i live again'' but in the original song it's what about death again...
*EDIT* http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-j (http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-j) ... yrics.html
Original:
(What was us)
What about death again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn
Aaaaaaaaah Ooooooooh
Grammy:
(What was us)
What about ''if i live'' again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn
Aaaaaaaaah Ooooooooh
I'd listen to it very careful several times, And he is saying "What about "if I live again" just before he says Do you give a damn.
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It seems that we are hearing different things... Some people hear What about if I live again, and others hear What about death again (like me).
So what to do with this....
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Download the free program Audacity (or any other free audio program.)
Download 1-click-Youtube-to-MP3-Converter (free)
Download the youtube video into this program.Save as MP3 file,
Open Audacity and import the mp3 of the grammy tribute.Click on the key that looks like an I.Drag it over the sound waves.Go under Effects and click change speed. On screen that pops up move pointer till it says -5.00 This will slow the speed a bit.
Plug in headphones,turn volume up.
You can make out "What if I'd live again"
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Sorry I don't hear it :|
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There are several other topics about this ;)
Oh, and I still hear 'what about death again'
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It seems that we are hearing different things... Some people hear What about if I live again, and others hear What about death again (like me).
So what to do with this....
Maybe it's an illusion.
Like those optical illusions where if you look at it one way you see a rabbit if you look at it another way you see a duck. Some people see a duck, some people see a rabbit, some people see both. [attachment]
In this case the rabbit can be "What about death again" and the duck can be "What if I live again"
Some people hear the rabbit, some people hear the duck, some people hear both.
I hear both. :?
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It seems that we are hearing different things... Some people hear What about if I live again, and others hear What about death again (like me).
So what to do with this....
Maybe it's an illusion.
Like those optical illusions where if you look at it one way you see a rabbit if you look at it another way you see a duck. Some people see a duck, some people see a rabbit, some people see both. [attachment]
In this case the rabbit can be "What about death again" and the duck can be "What if I live again"
Some people hear the rabbit, some people hear the duck, some people hear both.
I hear both. :?
And I see what I want to see, BOTH: When I think of the rabbit, I see the rabbit. When I think of the duck, I see the duck... So maybe the 'What about...' thing IS an illusion...
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I thought personally there was some tech stuff done to make it soound more live,so that it really would sound like a collaberstion...I think I am the only one on any of the forums that really didnt like it as a tribute.As many Grammys' as Michael has won and the differant memorable moments...I sure thought that he was owed a bigger tribute-as far as tributes in performance are concerned.
Paris and Prince really had me worried for like 2 seconds...I was sure I was gonna burst into tears...and I never did. Just like I was sure that I was gonna cry at TII,but never did.
When she said "Daddy was supposed to be here..." and you all know how that finished,I was like -she slipped up on her lines I know that,but stayed real calm dont you think. To calm...I think.
They are the most beautiful kids on earth,and Princes' mannersims were remarkably like Michaels'. Made me smile alot.
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its like the smooth criminal dr murray and mouth to mouth i reckon hes being smart knowing only certain people would hear it i did cum on u guys too :lol:
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AT THE RISK OF "THE JACKSONOLOGIST" LOCKING THIS THREAD AS WELL!!!!! I AGREE ABOUT HEARING THE SHORT BREATH..........OOOPS.......PROBABLY GONNA GET SHOUTED AT NOW....LOL...XXXX
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It seems that we are hearing different things... Some people hear What about if I live again, and others hear What about death again (like me).
So what to do with this....
Maybe it's an illusion.
Like those optical illusions where if you look at it one way you see a rabbit if you look at it another way you see a duck. Some people see a duck, some people see a rabbit, some people see both. [attachment]
In this case the rabbit can be "What about death again" and the duck can be "What if I live again"
Some people hear the rabbit, some people hear the duck, some people hear both.
I hear both. :?
Me too. I'm so confused.
I was listening to Earth Song on my iPod a second ago and...
I heard "what if I live again."
Then I played it again and I heard "what about death again".
I guess it depends on what your mind wants to hear.
If you want to hear "what if I live again", that's what you'll hear, even if you heard "what about death again" originally.
Same with the optical illusion.
If you see a duck, then someone tells you there's also a rabbit, then you can see the rabbit.
Does that make sense to anyone? :?
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What a fuzz about some breath...there were 4 people holding a microphone up that stage, it could have been any one of them, or some other recording of Michael, there is no way that it can be proven that this is Michael live, it´s a wild goose chase.
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and this is how many threads stating this clue now?...
I clearly hear death again...and if you have to listen to it 1000 times to hear live then maybe your brain finally lied to you so you can move on :lol: sorry lol i will listen to it again
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Guys like I JUST got here and I have already seen multiple topics saying the same things...can we really STOP doing that,I dont wanna lock and delete but seriously start doing topic searches.
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For whats its worth... i hear
"What about baby boys"
"What about the days"
"What if I live again"
"Would you give a damn"
And at 3.01 its not so much he is clearing his throat, but more the like grunt he does before singing. God did I just describe the GENIOUS as "grunting" his lyrics... sorry MJ. :lol:
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The words are partially INAUDIBLE, so you can interpret it any way you want. You can listen to it and listen another time and interpret it another time and yet another time, play it slowed down, play it reversed and forth and backwards, when something is inaudible, don´t draw any conclusions from it. At some point it starts to become obsessive. You can never draw any conclusion or proof from something that is vague.
Besides, ´what if i live AGAIN´ would not make sense. You can not live `again`, you can only live once.
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I listened so many times and I hear what if I'd live again but at first I heard die again but now I think it is def live again
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I listened so many times and I hear what if I'd live again but at first I heard die again but now I think it is def live again
Which proofs it´s inaudible.
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It seems that we are hearing different things... Some people hear What about if I live again, and others hear What about death again (like me).
So what to do with this....
I don't hear neither "death again" nor "live again". I find that it is absolutely unclear to understand and exactly that is what makes me feel it might be live. I can't remember that it ever sounded that blurred. I use to sing along and I am familiar with the lyrics but I did not hear "death again" here. It is totally mumbled and that I find untypical.
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Earth Song Tribute @ Grammy's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQpvQoD9g4) stop it at 3:12 (clears his throat)
Earth Song LIVE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wCemsGocI)
stop at 5:01 he doesn't clear his throat or anything on that peformance
*EDIT* have the your volume HIGH to hear it at 3:12
Thanx for posting, of course he was singing live, just in the memorial in that same place with the changing of "painSSS" insted of "pain", besides in the Earth Song performance he sounded very emotional :) I love him and just can't get enough of him.
Just sounded TOO CLEAR for it to be ''Recorded'' and i just really felt he was Singing Too Us :D
That is what I exactly what I said to my mum when we were watching Earth Song on the Grammys. I have already mentioned in two previous posts that MJ's voice was clear as a bell, and that it sounded like he was singing live on the stage. I also think that it was strange the Grammys were held at the Staples Center where MJ's memorial service was held. The strange, camera angle shot on stage during Earth Song from where Jennifer Hudson was standing across the stage was very weird too me. I thought that MJ was going to walk out on stage. Also a photo of this weird camera angle has already been posted on the forum. I had the strongest feeling that MJ was really at the Grammys on Jan 31, 2010.