Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: 2good2btrue on January 30, 2010, 08:34:19 AM
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This is the link I am quoting from, and as far as I recall, she has proved she is not fake, just a reporter with insight and connections:
http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/ ... 3656&st=15 (http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/?t=45183656&st=15)
The Italian forum suggests that MJ had a good reason for him to fake his death.
How weird is this????
The Italian forum tells us......."There would have been a masses of people in England for the MJ's concerts. She also states that MJ was threatened and knew about a possible terroist attack at the 02 arena and that is why he couldn't do the shows. He was trying to protect us. There were alot of threats made towards him and his audiences. That's why he is in a witness protection program until this is all over. She also states that, that's when MJ will return, but not in the way we would expect. I think the three" 7's on MJ's shirt in TII, is a warning and clue for us. The attack at the underground in England was on....7/7 2005. There it is again. 7, 7, 7... ( 2 +0+0+5 eqals 7 )
Mj's shirt had the three 7's to warn us...... He held the memorial on 7 th July. (7, 7) Maybe this was the only way he could save himself and his fans. Remember, his fans mean the world to him, and he would never put them at risk. Just a thought.
(Quoting from the Italian forum) P.S I apologise if this has already been posted. So many posts to read. I can't keep up. Cheers, from Downunder...Australia
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MJ has been wearing 7-7-7 for many years. Over a decade at least.
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These were the same thoughts I had. Except, I didn't think about the shirt he was wearing. I wish we could find more evidence...
I miss him so much!
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Goes with my initial theory of which I will never waiver.
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hesoutofmylife what was your initial theory? Just curious.
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I've always believed MJ faked his death because of a terrorist attack and he had help from the Authorities to do it - they are still investigating and are keeping him safe until such time as the threat ceases.
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This is all from the Italian forum (blackorwhite) , translated to English::
Question:
Black, do the people who threatened Michael know he is alive? Or they don’t know and FBI fixed it? Michael had to hoax his death only because of threats related to London, I mean just the city, and not Michael directly?
Answer:
They are not suspecting that Michael is alive, and FBI is working out.
Threats were against Michael. His concerts were going to attract thousands of people.
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Sent: 01/05/2010, 10:57 p.m. - user blackorwhite2good2btrue
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BlackorWhite write :
A few answers to some of your questions:
- Dave Dave we have seen has always been himself, he’s not Michael in disguise. He’s not helping him, he knows little or nothing.
- Yes, from 1st to 10th Michael were at Culver Studios; remember the video of guys listening to The way you make me feel, they were listening to an impersonator.
- The new single was removed from the web because Sony is claiming rights.
- Yes, Michael re-hired Branca and Mc Clain. The two laywers are going to help Michael in legal issues, for instance the will, that is a fake.
- Actually, no involvement of 9 doctors.
- Michael was supposed to be dead for prescription drugs overdose and murder (as a diversion).
- Michael had to hoax his death because he couldn’t even cancel his concerts.
- Murray speaks on behalf of Michael, listen to his words carefully.
- I know Neverland67, we don’t rely on the same source, and we have different opinions, mostly about Michael’s comeback.
- Neverland has been restructured. That’s the use of cement they delivered there.
- The ambulance picture (as I already told) actually is two pictures overlapped and photoshopped.
- Larry King is partially informed.
- Michael left clues everywhere, the truth is in front of us, but we are unable to see it…
- 757, 756, 755 is coming on the same date. They don’t refer to the comeback date.
- In the song “Another day” Michel is speaking to us, it is another big clue.
- Michael is worried about the fans’ reaction on his return, but he has to do it sooner or later.
- That helicopter is not real as it seems. It was never registered.
- The infamous van never arrived with a body in, later it turned back to be a simple van. You just saw it getting into the Coroner’s office underground garage. No van, no corpse. It’s all gone.
- Several interviews that are being released lately are false.
- Joe is challenging the will so that we all understand that the will is fake, actually, and the children’s custody was to be temporary.
- Michael’s demise is not connected with Sony.
Michael did not change religion. He did not convert to Islam.
Internet is the only communications medium to make us understand he is still alive.
This is it dancers are involved in the hoax. You should read their interviews and read their statements.
Michael is in a protection program, it is true. He also enjoys great freedom, though, and co-operates to work out the whole situation.
Journalists shouldn’t go in for the hoax. The fewer rumors going round, the better…
Auditions are not rehearsals, but they were both included in TII.
From April to June Michael has been very busy… getting ready for a safe escape plan.
Michael sees at the circulating news, he tries to cope with all this mess at his best. He is giving us as many clues as possible.
Joe said that there were doubles in the movie. He was right, this was the umpteenth clue.
“This is not it”… they’re too sure of what they are claiming.
Each piece of news, each interview hides a message from Michael, a clue…
I’ve earned full trust from my source… we have mutual acquaintances, that’s why this person trusts me.
The children were not threatened.
For the user michaelforeverinmyhear: you NEEDN’T believe me, just believe in what you think is right, no obligation from my part.
The serious danger has gone, but everybody should be very careful, especially right now.
Illuminati and Freemasons have nothing to do with the hoax.
Michael was at Halloween Horror Show.
Elvis??? No, he was neither at the memorial nor at the burial.
Michael knows that his fans are aware of the hoax, who do you think had the idea of deathoax.com?
Michael’s return is not planned for a fixed date.
Michael’s doubles lives his life peacefully, as other impersonators.
Michael did not travel to Italy during his “being on the run”, alas.
The site he visits more often is deathoax.com.
“Another day” and Internet. Somebody is communicating with us.
Actually, autopsies were not officially released by the Coroner. They are fake … and inconsistent with each other. Really absurd.
I’m sure that Michael will continue making donations. He won’t save the world, but he can help improving it… he repeats this all the time.
The two sites are not fake.
At the 02 Arena it was Michael, I hope he will be able to confirm you himself. Remember he is a human being as all of us, that behavior is justifiable.
Regarding Dave Dave… That day this boy was praising Michael for what he had done for him in the past… Do you think Michael would have done something like that? Boast about himself?
There was a double in TII, but it is very hard to tell the differences, he’s his spitting image.
In Smooth Criminal there is a stuntman, not a double. That’s a different thing.
If your gut feelings are different, I won’t compel you to believe me…
Sent: 01/05/2010, 10:41 p.m. - user blackorwhite
Question:
Dear Black, please bear in mind that I trust you. How did you get to trust your source? Do you have conclusive evidence that he/she is really close to Michael?
Answer:
Yes, Chiara.
I met this person face to face.
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Sent: 01/05/2010, 10:41 p.m. - user blackorwhite
Question:
If Michael didn’t get on the Coroner’s van, then the video is a fake. But why should they use a fake LA coroner’s van, and use a real military helicopter? It’s all for L.O.V.E.
Answer:
That infamous van never arrived with a body in, later it turned back to be a simple van. You just saw it getting into the Coroner’s office underground garage. No van, no corpse. It’s all gone. None of the staff working there ever checked that van, that’s why.
Sent: 01/05/2010, 10:50 p.m. - user blackorwhite
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I think this is a very good posts, 2good2btrue. Thank you for them. :)
But I just have run into some problems.. like a hoax this intricate (as it seems) was is last minute that Michael planned to fake his death? When did the terrorist threat become so severe and what time frame was Michael already in in his tour?
I would really like to look into the not being able cancel part. Surely if there was a threat to michael and his fans, the venue would have cancelled the shows
That's why i also thought it was more like people threatening Michael specifically. idk..
But good posts, 2good. It sounds very feasible.
Everything Black or white seems to say sounds like all that I wanna hear. Which makes me 50/50 on that person. Is this person on twitter?
just a side question was the song by Michael "black OR white" or Black AND white"
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I think the theory runs good...
If Michael is protected,he can come back without going to prison..
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BOW is an interesting person:) The only thing is that she doesn't seem to address the issue of "Jeff" whom stated he attended MJ at the scene. This is being discussed in one of the 2 ambulance threads.
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My problem with this is that there are already "masses of people" in London... its one of the most populated cities in the World.
Sure.. MJ would draw a crowd, but so do football matches, other celebrity appearances and shows... the sales in Oxford street.. know what i mean?
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My problem with this is that there are already "masses of people" in London... its one of the most populated cities in the World.
Sure.. MJ would draw a crowd, but so do football matches, other celebrity appearances and shows... the sales in Oxford street.. know what i mean?
And so would MJ. These threats to his fans HAVE happened before, read the FBI files on that. These MJ concerts were internationally very high-profile.
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My problem with this is that there are already "masses of people" in London... its one of the most populated cities in the World.
Sure.. MJ would draw a crowd, but so do football matches, other celebrity appearances and shows... the sales in Oxford street.. know what i mean?
I know what you mean about the crowds in the uk but if they attacked when Michael was in concert a person who gave so much and is loved so much it it would have been the worst thing to happpen it would have been like the twin towers but with a major figure head taken out as well who is loved and respected it would have caused so much trouble can you imagine how bad it would have been i do go along with this theory it makes sense that michael pulled out to save his family and his fans the only things he cared about.
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Wow a terrorist threat, I was supposed to go with my mom to these concerts imagine he went through with it, pretty scary to wonder what would of happened :(
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just a side question was the song by Michael "black OR white" or Black AND white"
Or ;)
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It doesn't matter one way or the other what other people believe as theory. Their beliefs and thoughts and theories are theirs to have. My theory, though possibly the most unpopular remains to be the NWO's fear that Michael's power over people and his messages of change and his revelations about things that were about to happen, his mass appeal to heal the world, would influence millions perhaps billions of people opening their eyes to what the government was scheming to do. Michael became a threat. In his messages he had the propensity to sway people, change their minds and in doing so, the government and the pharmaceutical/medical communities would stand to lose billions and billions of dollars. Money, and mega amounts of it, will cause people to go to the extreme and do crazy things. I think they planned to make the 0-2 venue Michael's assassination platform. However, word got back to Michael's camp and they had Michael safe guarded. This let me state again is MY THEORY. No one else has to agree. Until it is proven untrue, my mind will never change.
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I also believe that some Judas in Michael's circle was aiding in the orchestration of this plot, that being why everyone was fired on the spot. Who? That is yet to be discovered.
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Oh boy.................................
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and the band played on :roll:
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and the band played on :roll:
:lol:
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It doesn't matter one way or the other what other people believe as theory. Their beliefs and thoughts and theories are theirs to have. My theory, though possibly the most unpopular remains to be the NWO's fear that Michael's power over people and his messages of change and his revelations about things that were about to happen, his mass appeal to heal the world, would influence millions perhaps billions of people opening their eyes to what the government was scheming to do. Michael became a threat. In his messages he had the propensity to sway people, change their minds and in doing so, the government and the pharmaceutical/medical communities would stand to lose billions and billions of dollars. Money, and mega amounts of it, will cause people to go to the extreme and do crazy things. I think they planned to make the 0-2 venue Michael's assassination platform. However, word got back to Michael's camp and they had Michael safe guarded. This let me state again is MY THEORY. No one else has to agree. Until it is proven untrue, my mind will never change.
I agree with this theory more than a terrorist attack theory.
I mean why would he have to go through the trouble of faking his death and putting people through all kinds of crazy to thwart an attack? :roll:
That's really not the way to thwart an attack.
If anything they would play it out close to the show date so they could catch whoever was involved and/or step up security. At the worst the dates woud have to be cancelled or rescheduled. Even if Michael himself wasn't "allowed" to cancel the dates, there's nothing anyone can do if the government shuts down a show because of a threat....
Faking MJ's death would only mean that if there actually were some sort of threat against the concert goers, that now these people would have to find another target. This would also cause anyone monitoring and investigating these people to possibly lose track of them and then HOPE that they can catch up with them before they plan something else against a new target. Not a smart move at all.
Finally, if they haven't cancelled the Olympics since 9/11, why would they fake someone's death over some threats? The Olympics draws greater crowds and coverage than any concert...
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BAM! It wasn't the concert goers they were after. It was Michael. The other people possibly killed or hurt in the process would have been the innocent casualties of the attack. We know how compassionate Michael is. Do you think he would risk being the catalyst to draw that many people into an arena of possible doom? Children? NEVER. He HAD to stop the process by any means necessary. If he were already dead, the plan was nill. Right? And in being dead, there was no more concern. That is why I don't believe he will come back. He would not ever want to place anyone in harm's way. It's too presumptuous to fool oneself into thinking he is ever safe again until and unless all those included in the plot is caught and held accountable. The MJ that we knew and loved is dead. Not by choice but by circumstance.
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Hold up guys, we gotta use our common sense. If this is Witness Protection situation, then wouldn't BOW be jeopardizing MJ by posting this on a PUBLIC message board? And how the hell would this person know this? When FBI wants to keep something under wraps, they keep it under wraps. This is just a bunch of BS to me. She probably read about the threats in London and put the two together. I could've wrote everything she wrote.
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Wouldn't Scotland Yard handle that rather than the FBI since it was happening in England?
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This is the site I am quoting from: The escape plan was only planned after the 02 conference. Up until then, there wasn't a threat. It was arranged very quicly. FBI files were released as a clue
http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/ ... 3656&st=15 (http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/?t=45183656&st=15)
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Rumors and hoaxes run rampant over the internet. Some unfortunately put innocent people's lives at risk. Herein lies the reason that I believe MJ was targeted. He was implicated in something sinister and dangerous by a hoaxer. He carried the message of saving and healing the world in his music as a platform in his concerts, he was recognizable by virtually everyone and anyone, which made him an easy target. His being implicated in a scheme to take a stand against these entities during the 0-2 concerts, whether accurate or not, put his life in imminent danger. Please pay close attention to the last line.
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Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:37 AM
Subject: Michael Jackson
Patrick,
A person who writes under the name of Sorcha Faal has been falsely reporting that Michael Jackson was backing my investigation of Baxter and vaccine companies in Austria. I want to make it clear I have never had any contact with Michael Jackson. I myself only presented a dossier of evidence of possible genocide by means of an artificial virus and vaccine to the FBI a couple of weeks ago.
I find it extremely tasteless that the death of Michael Jackson is linked in this way to this investigation for no reason other than Sorcha Faal has run out other ideas to pepper his or her "reports" with.
There are many people who admire Michael Jackson and his concern for humanity, and who are deeply saddened by his death.
There are many people, too, who are very worried about the way vaccine companies send out live bird flu for vaccines apparently with impunity.
For Sorcha Faal to connect the two with such a facetious link raises the question: who is this person working for? What is the purpose of this disinformation? To frighten people?
Unfortunately, it seems these rumours are being deliberately spread by individuals who claim to be serious scientists and who have offered to help with the compilation of evidence concerning a possible act of bioterrorism.
However, the stakes in this game are high.
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KGB is buggin me. KGB is Russian. This is from a Russian website. With this being said, I am ending my discussion of it.
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I meant to include this, sorry. Last post for sure this time.
Journalist Fired Over Flu Pandemic Lawsuit
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Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
July 7, 2009
Austrian journalist Jane Bürgermeister, who recently filed criminal charges with the FBI against the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations (UN), and several high ranking government and corporate officials concerning bioterrorism, has been fired from her job. “On Monday, I was unexpectedly fired from my job as European Correspondent of the Renewable Energy World website,” Bürgermeister writes on her blog.
Jane Bürgermeister contends offshore banksters have cooked up an engineered flu virus in order to realize their eugenics plan for mass extermination.
“Because there is reason to believe this decision was related to my filing charges alleging bioterrorism against the people of the USA and the rest of the world, and because I am entitled as a citizen to report a crime if there is credible evidence, I intend to file a lawsuit against Pennwell, a magazine,” she explains. “I have heard of other journalists fired or harassed for covering this subject.”
In a document entitled Bioterrorism Evidence, Bürgermeister points to an international corporate criminal syndicate and extensively details its plan to carry out mass genocide against the American people by unleashing a deadly flu virus and instituting a forced vaccination program.
“There is proof many organizations — World Health Organization, UN as well as vaccine companies such as Baxter and Novartis — are part of a single system under the control of a core criminal group, who give the strategic leadership, and who have also funded the development, manufacturing and release of artificial viruses in order to justify mass vaccinations with a bioweapon substance in order to eliminate the people of the USA, and so gain control of the assets, resources etc of North America.”
Bürgermeister says the core group sets its strategic goals in secret using the Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg meetings. “It can be identified as the ‘Illuminati,’ a mafia-like group with family dynasties at its center.” It is the “world’s first truly global crime syndicate” based in “off shore banking centers” and employs international organizations such as the UN and WHO.
In her lawsuit, Bürgermeister alleges that a manufactured flu pandemic “is part of a long term plan by the syndicate, who have built large numbers of FEMA concentration camps with incinerators and prepared mass graves in state such as Indiana and in New York to quarantine people and dispose of the bodies of the people who are killed by the bioweapons attack.”
Infowars and Prison Planet have posted reports on the construction of mass graves. In February, D. H. Williams, writing for the Daily Newscaster, published a report on FEMA and DHS vaccination and mass grave plans in the vicinity of Chicago and northern Indiana. In March of this year, Infowars posted extensive coverage of mass grave sites in Arizona and Texas.
A D V E R T I S E M E N T
Bürgermeister names Barack Obama, the UN’s Influenza coordinator David Nabarro, WHO director Margaret Chan, HHS secretary Kathleen Sibelius, DHS secretary Janet Napolitano, bankster kingpins David de Rothschild and David Rockefeller, international criminal financier George Soros, and others as defendants. The WHO, European Union, the CDC and other research labs, FEMA, vaccine companies, and the DHS have interacted with each other to develop and distribute biological weapons, the journalist contends, and have leveraged funding through the banking system and its global drug trade mechanism.
The Rockefeller Foundation has funded the eugenics movement for over a century. “The Rockefeller Foundation is the prime sponsor of public relations for the United Nations’ drastic depopulation program. Evidence in the possession of a growing number of researchers in America, England, and Germany demonstrates that the Foundation and its corporate, medical, and political associates organized the racial mass murder program of Nazi Germany,” writes Anton Chaitkin. “In the 1950s, the Rockefellers reorganized the U.S. eugenics movement in their own family offices, with spinoff population-control and abortion groups.”
Billionaires Ted Turner and Warren Buffett have funded the eugenics movement. “Other billionaires have begun funding parts of the eugenics movement. Bill Gates, the richest man in the country, and George Soros, the financier, have started putting their money into population control projects,” writes John Cavanaugh-O’Keefe in The Roots of Racism and Abortion: An Exploration of Eugenics.
Bürgermeister’s charges include evidence that Baxter AG, Austrian subsidiary of Baxter International, deliberately sent out 72 kilos of live bird flu virus, supplied by the WHO in the winter of 2009 to 16 laboratories in four counties. Bürgermeister “noted that Baxter’s lab in Austria, one of the supposedly most secure biosecurity labs in the world, did not adhere to the most basic and essential steps to keep 72 kilos of a pathogen classified as a bioweapon secure and separate from all other substances under stringent biosecurity level regulations, but it allowed it to be mixed with the ordinary human flu virus and sent from its facilities in Orth in the Donau,” writes Barbara Minton for Health News.
On June 29, Bürgermeister sent an email to the Fourwinds 10 website indicating she plans to take legal action against Sorcha Faal, a mysterious writer often accused of penning sensationalistic disinformation. “I can confirm I am the Jane Burgermeister who sent the email to Fourwinds10 setting the record straight about Sorcha Faal’s false report linking my charges against Baxter for their role in contaminating vaccine material with 72 kgs of live bird flu virus and the sudden death of Michael Jackson,” she wrote. “I am now looking at legal action against whoever writes under the name of Sorcha Faal. I believe this is a deliberate and cynical attempt by the people behind Baxter etc to manipulate public opinion by trivializing Michael Jackson’s death and the Baxter investigation.”
Faal’s disinfo worked so well that even medical doctors emailed Bürgermeister asking her to confirm the link to Michael Jackson. “I have had to spend a lot of time explaining that the Sorcha Faal report is a tissue of lies,” Bürgermeister complained.
Tuesday, 30 June, 2009 3:26 PM
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Steven, my blog is being hacked and my post has not gone up
here it is
There have been forums questioning whether I have really filed charges against Baxter over the bird flu case and whether the police in Austria really are investigating.
The confirmation in the form of a letter from the Austrian Health Minister in German is here
[link to docs.google.com]
I'm not able to give out the names of police for their own protection.
Also, a person called Sorcha Faal has been spreading the false rumour Michael Jackson was backing this investigation to discredit this investigation, and I'm exploring legal action against whoever it is who spreads disinformation under this name and would be grateful for help in ascertaining the identity of the people spreading this rumour.
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This is all from the Italian forum (blackorwhite) , translated to English::
Question:
Black, do the people who threatened Michael know he is alive? Or they don’t know and FBI fixed it? Michael had to hoax his death only because of threats related to London, I mean just the city, and not Michael directly?
Answer:
They are not suspecting that Michael is alive, and FBI is working out.
Threats were against Michael. His concerts were going to attract thousands of people.
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I just felt as I was reading everyones replies that their may be confusion here or maybe I am the one who is confused :lol: :lol: :?
The threats were against Michael and not London. And a possible answer to why this time he took a different approach to the threats against him could be that it wasn't just your ordinary JO-BLO starved for attention making the threats. :? Just a thought
And if the whole Jane thing about swine flu connection with Michael Jackson speaking against it at his concerts is true.... I rest my case.... :roll: :x
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I agree with this theory more than a terrorist attack theory.
I mean why would he have to go through the trouble of faking his death and putting people through all kinds of crazy to thwart an attack? :roll:
That's really not the way to thwart an attack.
If anything they would play it out close to the show date so they could catch whoever was involved and/or step up security. At the worst the dates woud have to be cancelled or rescheduled. Even if Michael himself wasn't "allowed" to cancel the dates, there's nothing anyone can do if the government shuts down a show because of a threat....
Faking MJ's death would only mean that if there actually were some sort of threat against the concert goers, that now these people would have to find another target. This would also cause anyone monitoring and investigating these people to possibly lose track of them and then HOPE that they can catch up with them before they plan something else against a new target. Not a smart move at all.
Finally, if they haven't cancelled the Olympics since 9/11, why would they fake someone's death over some threats? The Olympics draws greater crowds and coverage than any concert...
Ofcourse you are right, if it would only be fans that would be threatened government could just have stopped the shows and there would be no need for MJ to go into hiding.
Except if there was more to it. In the case the FBI described in the recently released files on MJ for instance, someone threatened to kill MJ + his family + fans during concerts. It would not be sufficient to just cancel the concerts to stop a threat like that.
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this b&w persons speacks wht we want to hear i think or maybe he knows something but his ansewrs i like we have heard from casandra and 2 3 ppl here also
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I agree with this theory more than a terrorist attack theory.
I mean why would he have to go through the trouble of faking his death and putting people through all kinds of crazy to thwart an attack? :roll:
That's really not the way to thwart an attack.
If anything they would play it out close to the show date so they could catch whoever was involved and/or step up security. At the worst the dates woud have to be cancelled or rescheduled. Even if Michael himself wasn't "allowed" to cancel the dates, there's nothing anyone can do if the government shuts down a show because of a threat....
Faking MJ's death would only mean that if there actually were some sort of threat against the concert goers, that now these people would have to find another target. This would also cause anyone monitoring and investigating these people to possibly lose track of them and then HOPE that they can catch up with them before they plan something else against a new target. Not a smart move at all.
Finally, if they haven't cancelled the Olympics since 9/11, why would they fake someone's death over some threats? The Olympics draws greater crowds and coverage than any concert...
Ofcourse you are right, if it would only be fans that would be threatened government could just have stopped the shows and there would be no need for MJ to go into hiding.
Except if there was more to it. In the case the FBI described in the recently released files on MJ for instance, someone threatened to kill MJ + his family + fans during concerts. It would not be sufficient to just cancel the concerts to stop a threat like that.
We're forgetting the most important thing(to Michael anyway) - his children.
He loved/loves his children more than anything.
If there were any threat against them, I seriously doubt that he would run off and hide while his children are left exposed to danger by going to Las Vegas with their grandmother, going to karate practice, and showing up at the Grammys...
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I agree with this theory more than a terrorist attack theory.
I mean why would he have to go through the trouble of faking his death and putting people through all kinds of crazy to thwart an attack? :roll:
That's really not the way to thwart an attack.
If anything they would play it out close to the show date so they could catch whoever was involved and/or step up security. At the worst the dates woud have to be cancelled or rescheduled. Even if Michael himself wasn't "allowed" to cancel the dates, there's nothing anyone can do if the government shuts down a show because of a threat....
Faking MJ's death would only mean that if there actually were some sort of threat against the concert goers, that now these people would have to find another target. This would also cause anyone monitoring and investigating these people to possibly lose track of them and then HOPE that they can catch up with them before they plan something else against a new target. Not a smart move at all.
Finally, if they haven't cancelled the Olympics since 9/11, why would they fake someone's death over some threats? The Olympics draws greater crowds and coverage than any concert...
Ofcourse you are right, if it would only be fans that would be threatened government could just have stopped the shows and there would be no need for MJ to go into hiding.
Except if there was more to it. In the case the FBI described in the recently released files on MJ for instance, someone threatened to kill MJ + his family + fans during concerts. It would not be sufficient to just cancel the concerts to stop a threat like that.
We're forgetting the most important thing(to Michael anyway) - his children.
He loved/loves his children more than anything.
If there were any threat against them, I seriously doubt that he would run off and hide while his children are left exposed to danger by going to Las Vegas with their grandmother, going to karate practice, and showing up at the Grammys...
Who said Michael doesn't see his children :roll:
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I agree with this theory more than a terrorist attack theory.
I mean why would he have to go through the trouble of faking his death and putting people through all kinds of crazy to thwart an attack? :roll:
That's really not the way to thwart an attack.
If anything they would play it out close to the show date so they could catch whoever was involved and/or step up security. At the worst the dates woud have to be cancelled or rescheduled. Even if Michael himself wasn't "allowed" to cancel the dates, there's nothing anyone can do if the government shuts down a show because of a threat....
Faking MJ's death would only mean that if there actually were some sort of threat against the concert goers, that now these people would have to find another target. This would also cause anyone monitoring and investigating these people to possibly lose track of them and then HOPE that they can catch up with them before they plan something else against a new target. Not a smart move at all.
Finally, if they haven't cancelled the Olympics since 9/11, why would they fake someone's death over some threats? The Olympics draws greater crowds and coverage than any concert...
Ofcourse you are right, if it would only be fans that would be threatened government could just have stopped the shows and there would be no need for MJ to go into hiding.
Except if there was more to it. In the case the FBI described in the recently released files on MJ for instance, someone threatened to kill MJ + his family + fans during concerts. It would not be sufficient to just cancel the concerts to stop a threat like that.
We're forgetting the most important thing(to Michael anyway) - his children.
He loved/loves his children more than anything.
If there were any threat against them, I seriously doubt that he would run off and hide while his children are left exposed to danger by going to Las Vegas with their grandmother, going to karate practice, and showing up at the Grammys...
Who said Michael doesn't see his children :roll:
Please re-read my post.
Did I say that he doesn't see his children? :roll:
No.
I said that they would be left exposed to danger.
As a parent, the last thing you would do if you know of a threat against your children is to leave them exposed to danger.
And if they were part of a threat I don't think for a second that they would be left behind while Michael is playing dead. :roll:
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I love the attitude smilie :roll: :lol: :lol:
Anyways, I stand corrected ;) . But when you say he wouldn't "run off and hide leaving his children...." it's a bit misleading.
It he is in a witness protection program, he did't "run off", he was systematically taken into custody to a safe place. It could be right under our noses. Not necessarily across the border. Just out of danger to a place where he is "safe and protected".
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It he is in a witness protection program, he did't "run off", he was systematically taken into custody to a safe place. It could be right under our noses. Not necessarily across the border. Just out of danger to a place where he is "safe and protected".
Agree. When people think WPP they think the person has been taken somewhere far away. If you watch the end of Goodfellas (based on a true story), the main character (Ray Liotta) and his wife and his kids were taken into WPP and they lived in a regular neighborhood with different names of course.
Not to mention that movie is all the mafia.
Although I know Michael is Michael Jackson. Most famous man in the world so he may have to be living secluded. idk
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Please re-read my post.
Did I say that he doesn't see his children? :roll:
No.
I said that they would be left exposed to danger.
As a parent, the last thing you would do if you know of a threat against your children is to leave them exposed to danger.
And if they were part of a threat I don't think for a second that they would be left behind while Michael is playing dead. :roll:
If MJ's person/presence or money was the very reason for the threat his children are no longer in danger if the people behind the threat believe he is dead, ofcourse :roll: .
The children are under Mama Jackson's wings and the money is now 'locked away' in the MJ Estate so it is a lot harder, if not impossible, to gain excess to through extortion/death threats.
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
It is not ridiculous or fanfiction, it has happened before. Please get your facts straight before calling something ridiculous.
The FBI has recently released files in which a case is described of a man who also made such threats to Michael and his family and fans. He even threatened to kill Bush.
The files have been made public HERE (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html)
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
It is not ridiculous or fanfiction, it has happened before. Please get your facts straight before calling something ridiculous.
The FBI has recently released files in which a case is described of a man who also made such threats to Michael and his family and fans. He even threatened to kill Bush.
The files have been made public HERE (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html)
Exactly. ONE person who was making random threats from Bush to Michael. Crazy loner who wanted money or fame. What does that have to do with a huge terrorist attack which would force Michael to hoax his death? All the other files prove that Michael worst enemy were the autorities themselve who were trying to put him in jail for a crime he did not commit. Not some huge terrorist threat.
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
It is not ridiculous or fanfiction, it has happened before. Please get your facts straight before calling something ridiculous.
The FBI has recently released files in which a case is described of a man who also made such threats to Michael and his family and fans. He even threatened to kill Bush.
The files have been made public HERE (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html)
Exactly. ONE person who was making random threats from Bush to Michael. Crazy loner who wanted money or fame. What does that have to do with a huge terrorist attack which would force Michael to hoax his death? All the other files prove that Michael worst enemy were the autorities themselve who were trying to put him in jail for a crime he did not commit. Not some huge terrorist threat.
What it has to do with it? It shows that such persons do exist, threatening to mass murder his fans, since you called it ridiculous. Terrorists also do such things for fame, to get attention for their ideas and forcefully get their way.
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Rumors and hoaxes run rampant over the internet. Some unfortunately put innocent people's lives at risk. Herein lies the reason that I believe MJ was targeted. He was implicated in something sinister and dangerous by a hoaxer. He carried the message of saving and healing the world in his music as a platform in his concerts, he was recognizable by virtually everyone and anyone, which made him an easy target. His being implicated in a scheme to take a stand against these entities during the 0-2 concerts, whether accurate or not, put his life in imminent danger. Please pay close attention to the last line.
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Subject: Michael Jackson
Patrick,
A person who writes under the name of Sorcha Faal has been falsely reporting that Michael Jackson was backing my investigation of Baxter and vaccine companies in Austria. I want to make it clear I have never had any contact with Michael Jackson. I myself only presented a dossier of evidence of possible genocide by means of an artificial virus and vaccine to the FBI a couple of weeks ago.
I find it extremely tasteless that the death of Michael Jackson is linked in this way to this investigation for no reason other than Sorcha Faal has run out other ideas to pepper his or her "reports" with.
There are many people who admire Michael Jackson and his concern for humanity, and who are deeply saddened by his death.
There are many people, too, who are very worried about the way vaccine companies send out live bird flu for vaccines apparently with impunity.
For Sorcha Faal to connect the two with such a facetious link raises the question: who is this person working for? What is the purpose of this disinformation? To frighten people?
Unfortunately, it seems these rumours are being deliberately spread by individuals who claim to be serious scientists and who have offered to help with the compilation of evidence concerning a possible act of bioterrorism.
However, the stakes in this game are high.
I was wondering when someone was going to post something from THE website for conspiracy theorists. Did you read the one where they said the CIA killed Michael because of his message in his upcoming concerts?
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
It is not ridiculous or fanfiction, it has happened before. Please get your facts straight before calling something ridiculous.
The FBI has recently released files in which a case is described of a man who also made such threats to Michael and his family and fans. He even threatened to kill Bush.
The files have been made public HERE (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html)
Exactly. ONE person who was making random threats from Bush to Michael. Crazy loner who wanted money or fame. What does that have to do with a huge terrorist attack which would force Michael to hoax his death? All the other files prove that Michael worst enemy were the autorities themselve who were trying to put him in jail for a crime he did not commit. Not some huge terrorist threat.
What it has to do with it? It shows that such persons do exist, threatening to mass murder his fans, since you called it ridiculous. Terrorists also do such things for fame, to get attention for their ideas and forcefully get their way.
I totally agree...if it's possible that ONE person could make threats against MJ and his fans, why a terrorist organization should not make the same? Why you call it ridiculous? Maybe it's ridiculous untill it happens...
Sorry for my english... :roll:
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
This is 2010//!! NOTHING IS RIDICULOUS. This is a terrorist laden society. Are you sleeping under a rock?
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heres an article that cropped up a while back, now a threat is not impossible ...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sh ... eveal.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/usa/2782251/A-maniac-threatened-to-kill-Michael-Jackson-FBI-files-reveal.html)
P.S i know its the sun, but still
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I knew about the Italian forum a long time ago. If we can't trust any information we are reading, then ALL OF OUR THEORIES BASED ON STUFF WE READ, IS ALSO FAKE...
The only thing that really matters, IS THAT
MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE.
We all agree with that don't we? That's why we are here. At the end of the day, nothing else really matters anymore.......we just have to sit back and wait.
My thoughts come from the strange coincidences going on..........The Italian forum stated these facts a long time ago, and then BOOM..........."Severe attack warning issued in London". Lets all stick together, and remember the real reason we are all here. I want him back too, but is it what he wants???????????????? Sometimes when you LOVE something soooooooooooooo much, you have to let it go, and go with the flow.........It's all for L.O.V.E
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I'm actually not following the Italian forum. I heard about this Burgenmeister /Faal conspiracy before Michael was "killed". When she filed this lawsuit and on the same day Michael "died" alarms automatically started going off in my head. Too much of a coincidence.
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
It is not ridiculous or fanfiction, it has happened before. Please get your facts straight before calling something ridiculous.
The FBI has recently released files in which a case is described of a man who also made such threats to Michael and his family and fans. He even threatened to kill Bush.
The files have been made public HERE (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html)
Exactly. ONE person who was making random threats from Bush to Michael. Crazy loner who wanted money or fame. What does that have to do with a huge terrorist attack which would force Michael to hoax his death? All the other files prove that Michael worst enemy were the autorities themselve who were trying to put him in jail for a crime he did not commit. Not some huge terrorist threat.
What it has to do with it? It shows that such persons do exist, threatening to mass murder his fans, since you called it ridiculous. Terrorists also do such things for fame, to get attention for their ideas and forcefully get their way.
I still don't see the the connection of him hoaxing his death. You can believe what you want though.
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
It is not ridiculous or fanfiction, it has happened before. Please get your facts straight before calling something ridiculous.
The FBI has recently released files in which a case is described of a man who also made such threats to Michael and his family and fans. He even threatened to kill Bush.
The files have been made public HERE (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html)
Exactly. ONE person who was making random threats from Bush to Michael. Crazy loner who wanted money or fame. What does that have to do with a huge terrorist attack which would force Michael to hoax his death? All the other files prove that Michael worst enemy were the autorities themselve who were trying to put him in jail for a crime he did not commit. Not some huge terrorist threat.
What it has to do with it? It shows that such persons do exist, threatening to mass murder his fans, since you called it ridiculous. Terrorists also do such things for fame, to get attention for their ideas and forcefully get their way.
I totally agree...if it's possible that ONE person could make threats against MJ and his fans, why a terrorist organization should not make the same? Why you call it ridiculous? Maybe it's ridiculous untill it happens...
Sorry for my english... :roll:
Threats aren't ridiculous. It is far fetched to believe that Michael would hoax his death for his fans who are supposedly a target of Bin Laden or something. :roll:
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
This is 2010//!! NOTHING IS RIDICULOUS. This is a terrorist laden society. Are you sleeping under a rock?
You can believe what you want. I see it as ridiculous to believe that Michael was hoaxing his death because his fans were threatend at the O2 concerts. That is a matter of national security. Threats are made daily to all different high profile events. Nobody hoaxes his death for that reason. Besides on a personal belief...Michael seemed to be more a person to be scared of official authorities since they were the ones making his life a living hell.
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
It is not ridiculous or fanfiction, it has happened before. Please get your facts straight before calling something ridiculous.
The FBI has recently released files in which a case is described of a man who also made such threats to Michael and his family and fans. He even threatened to kill Bush.
The files have been made public HERE (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html)
Exactly. ONE person who was making random threats from Bush to Michael. Crazy loner who wanted money or fame. What does that have to do with a huge terrorist attack which would force Michael to hoax his death? All the other files prove that Michael worst enemy were the autorities themselve who were trying to put him in jail for a crime he did not commit. Not some huge terrorist threat.
What it has to do with it? It shows that such persons do exist, threatening to mass murder his fans, since you called it ridiculous. Terrorists also do such things for fame, to get attention for their ideas and forcefully get their way.
I totally agree...if it's possible that ONE person could make threats against MJ and his fans, why a terrorist organization should not make the same? Why you call it ridiculous? Maybe it's ridiculous untill it happens...
Sorry for my english... :roll:
Threats aren't ridiculous. It is far fetched to believe that Michael would hoax his death for his fans who are supposedly a target of Bin Laden or something. :roll:
Ok, I respect your point of view but we're just trying to discover the thruth...and imo the thruth could be found only if we evaluate every possible context. Don't call me fool but I believe more in this "terrorist attack threat" than in some kind of NWO conspiracy...or maybe at least they're just the same thing.
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
This is 2010//!! NOTHING IS RIDICULOUS. This is a terrorist laden society. Are you sleeping under a rock?
You can believe what you want. I see it as ridiculous to believe that Michael was hoaxing his death because his fans were threatend at the O2 concerts. That is a matter of national security. Threats are made daily to all different high profile events. Nobody hoaxes his death for that reason. Besides on a personal belief...Michael seemed to be more a person to be scared of official authorities since they were the ones making his life a living hell.
That is EXACTLY what I plan to do. No one is asking you to agree. So why are you getting so uptight? I said from jump this is MY THEORY. Not yours.
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Whatever the reason MJ had to do this, the FBI are involved and he is in protective custody, but still can enjoy some freedom, meaning, he can still see his children sometimes, maybe in disguise. We will find out the real reason when he returns. All I know is that it must be for a VERY IMPORTANT REASON.
In the meantime, his LOVE has brought us together. That's the power of MJ. People from all around the world, from all different backgrounds, have united, to find the truth. HE WILL BE SO PROUD OF US, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW HE WANTS US TO STAY: UNITED. ONE PERSON ALONE CAN'T CHANGE THE WORLD, BUT TOGETHER, WITH ONE VOICE, WE CAN. SO CAN WE ALL STAY UNITED IN THIS FORUM. OUR GOALS ARE THE SAME. WE HAVE FOUND THE TRUTH, THAT WAS OUR GOAL. WE NEED TO BE STRONG FOR HIM. LETS MAKE A CHANGE FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN AND OUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN.
MJ HAS NOW (IN HIS ABSENCE) BECOME MORE POWERFUL AND RESPECTED. THAT'S WHAT HE HAS WANTED ALL HIS LIFE. HE IS MAKING MORE MONEY NOW, AND I BET YOU, THAT HE IS DONATING IT MOSTLY TO 'HAITI' THATS THE MAN THAT HE WAS AND STILL IS.............THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE TII MOVIE PROFITS HAVE GONE. TO CHARITIES.....................WHEN ALL IS WELL, HE WILL BE BACK, EVEN MORE POWERFUL THEN BEFORE. PEOPLE WILL RESPECT HIM NOW AND LISTEN THIS TIME. LET HIM FINISH HIS WORK, AND IN HIS RIGHT TIME, HE WILL TELL THE WORLD....ABOUT HIS FANTASTIC JOURNEY. ...IT'S ALL FOR L.O.V.E
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Hi,
Terrorist attack??? And don't tell me it's BenLaden again??? Is there proof? Or is it merely heresay from the italian site? They still have not found nuclear arms in Iraq? I think its too easy to blame terrorism...or perhaps to divert all this positive L.O.V.E into hatred against civilisations that possibly have no connection to the events.
With all due respect, let's not start shouting TERRORISM coz we may start chasing the wrong parties. Michael wants L.O.V.E, he wants us to make things right!!! We need proof and we need to be careful so as not to trigger unwanted hate.
Bring back the L.O.V.E Michael....bring back world harmony.... bring back peace...I beLIEve...have since the day you "died"....
Lots of love to Michael... 8-)
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
This is 2010//!! NOTHING IS RIDICULOUS. This is a terrorist laden society. Are you sleeping under a rock?
You can believe what you want. I see it as ridiculous to believe that Michael was hoaxing his death because his fans were threatend at the O2 concerts. That is a matter of national security. Threats are made daily to all different high profile events. Nobody hoaxes his death for that reason. Besides on a personal belief...Michael seemed to be more a person to be scared of official authorities since they were the ones making his life a living hell.
That is EXACTLY what I plan to do. No one is asking you to agree. So why are you getting so uptight? I said from jump this is MY THEORY. Not yours.
Can you react please to what I've said instead of going into a tirade. I wasn't uptight. You were acting uptight by starting about living under a rock because well we're in 2010 so I have to see it as reasonable that Michael hoaxing his death has anything to do with his fans being under treath. Still don't see the connection. But I guess it is what you wish to believe. I believe Michael hoaxed his death for personal reasons. Not because he was being a hero in somekind of blockbuster movie where terrorists were killing his fans one by one.
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
It is not ridiculous or fanfiction, it has happened before. Please get your facts straight before calling something ridiculous.
The FBI has recently released files in which a case is described of a man who also made such threats to Michael and his family and fans. He even threatened to kill Bush.
The files have been made public HERE (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html)
Exactly. ONE person who was making random threats from Bush to Michael. Crazy loner who wanted money or fame. What does that have to do with a huge terrorist attack which would force Michael to hoax his death? All the other files prove that Michael worst enemy were the autorities themselve who were trying to put him in jail for a crime he did not commit. Not some huge terrorist threat.
What it has to do with it? It shows that such persons do exist, threatening to mass murder his fans, since you called it ridiculous. Terrorists also do such things for fame, to get attention for their ideas and forcefully get their way.
I totally agree...if it's possible that ONE person could make threats against MJ and his fans, why a terrorist organization should not make the same? Why you call it ridiculous? Maybe it's ridiculous untill it happens...
Sorry for my english... :roll:
Threats aren't ridiculous. It is far fetched to believe that Michael would hoax his death for his fans who are supposedly a target of Bin Laden or something. :roll:
Ok, I respect your point of view but we're just trying to discover the thruth...and imo the thruth could be found only if we evaluate every possible context. Don't call me fool but I believe more in this "terrorist attack threat" than in some kind of NWO conspiracy...or maybe at least they're just the same thing.
Ok I apologize if it came across that you were a fool to believe it. I don't believe in the NWO conspiracy either by the way. I just think Michael if you would believe the phonecalls he made was afraid for his own life. So hoaxing his death for his fans just seems a bit far fetched to me. He could have cancelled the shows if he wanted to protect his fans. Why go as far as hoaxing his death?
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Hi,
Terrorist attack??? And don't tell me it's BenLaden again??? Is there proof? Or is it merely heresay from the italian site? They still have not found nuclear arms in Iraq? I think its too easy to blame terrorism...or perhaps to divert all this positive L.O.V.E into hatred against civilisations that possibly have no connection to the events.
With all due respect, let's not start shouting TERRORISM coz we may start chasing the wrong parties. Michael wants L.O.V.E, he wants us to make things right!!! We need proof and we need to be careful so as not to trigger unwanted hate.
Bring back the L.O.V.E Michael....bring back world harmony.... bring back peace...I beLIEve...have since the day you "died"....
Lots of love to Michael... 8-)
Well said and I totally agree. Fear seems to take over instead of love.
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ive made fan friends aswell as you guys cos of this and we meet up and stuff so i agree he would be proud man if he did this to stop us getting hurt WOW :o :)
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A person who writes under the name of Sorcha Faal has been falsely reporting that Michael Jackson was backing my investigation of Baxter and vaccine companies in Austria. I want to make it clear I have never had any contact with Michael Jackson. I myself only presented a dossier of evidence of possible genocide by means of an artificial virus and vaccine to the FBI a couple of weeks ago.
I find it extremely tasteless that the death of Michael Jackson is linked in this way to this investigation for no reason other than Sorcha Faal has run out other ideas to pepper his or her "reports" with.
There are many people who admire Michael Jackson and his concern for humanity, and who are deeply saddened by his death.
There are many people, too, who are very worried about the way vaccine companies send out live bird flu for vaccines apparently with impunity.
For Sorcha Faal to connect the two with such a facetious link raises the question: who is this person working for? What is the purpose of this disinformation? To frighten people?
Unfortunately, it seems these rumours are being deliberately spread by individuals who claim to be serious scientists and who have offered to help with the compilation of evidence concerning a possible act of bioterrorism.
However, the stakes in this game are high.
This is the way they mess things up.
Jane Bürgermeister really filled charges of bioterrorism against WHO.
http://theflucase.com
Sorcha Faal tried to discredit the denounce of the vaccines threat linking Burgermeister and Michael , to make it unbeliveble.
Sorcha Faal is not a person, but a CIA Psi Ops Group infiltrated in the anti-NWO side.
"She" alleges to receive information from KGB... messy messy!
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/sorcha.htm
or
http://www.rense.com/general63/sorcha.htm
This is a quick search.
Fight against NWO is plenty of this kind of things.
Bürgermeister tryied to bring a lawsuit against "her" as "she" (Faal) was trying to mix up MJ´s "death" with the "pndemic" flu.
See how many "" we have to use with all this things...
[youtube:3fkarweo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PelTWCUmTsU[/youtube:3fkarweo]
I´m trying to save some of your time.
Because first you realize about NWO, and after that you have to realize about the lyers of the NWO, who is the NWO itself, people working for them.
Our heart will guide us in this mess, but that way is easier,
and sometimes we can have a little glimpse of it all.
And pleeease people.
Talibans do exist.
Al-Qaeda is a false flag made of nothing.
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and the band played on :roll:
haha :lol: :lol:
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
It is not ridiculous or fanfiction, it has happened before. Please get your facts straight before calling something ridiculous.
The FBI has recently released files in which a case is described of a man who also made such threats to Michael and his family and fans. He even threatened to kill Bush.
The files have been made public HERE (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html)
Exactly. ONE person who was making random threats from Bush to Michael. Crazy loner who wanted money or fame. What does that have to do with a huge terrorist attack which would force Michael to hoax his death? All the other files prove that Michael worst enemy were the autorities themselve who were trying to put him in jail for a crime he did not commit. Not some huge terrorist threat.
What it has to do with it? It shows that such persons do exist, threatening to mass murder his fans, since you called it ridiculous. Terrorists also do such things for fame, to get attention for their ideas and forcefully get their way.
I totally agree...if it's possible that ONE person could make threats against MJ and his fans, why a terrorist organization should not make the same? Why you call it ridiculous? Maybe it's ridiculous untill it happens...
Sorry for my english... :roll:
Threats aren't ridiculous. It is far fetched to believe that Michael would hoax his death for his fans who are supposedly a target of Bin Laden or something. :roll:
Ok, I respect your point of view but we're just trying to discover the thruth...and imo the thruth could be found only if we evaluate every possible context. Don't call me fool but I believe more in this "terrorist attack threat" than in some kind of NWO conspiracy...or maybe at least they're just the same thing.
Ok I apologize if it came across that you were a fool to believe it. I don't believe in the NWO conspiracy either by the way. I just think Michael if you would believe the phonecalls he made was afraid for his own life. So hoaxing his death for his fans just seems a bit far fetched to me. He could have cancelled the shows if he wanted to protect his fans. Why go as far as hoaxing his death?
I heard those phonecalls you're talking about, and I agree he was afraid for his own life, but don't you find a little bit easier to kill a huge star when is on stage? Perhaps you could think the easier way to kill him is infiltrate his private house...I definetly think it's not possible...So my personal opinion is that the fans were just caught in this situation, and I think a "crazy loner" is nothing compared to alQaeda but he's able to make a big mess anyway...
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A person who writes under the name of Sorcha Faal has been falsely reporting that Michael Jackson was backing my investigation of Baxter and vaccine companies in Austria. I want to make it clear I have never had any contact with Michael Jackson. I myself only presented a dossier of evidence of possible genocide by means of an artificial virus and vaccine to the FBI a couple of weeks ago.
I find it extremely tasteless that the death of Michael Jackson is linked in this way to this investigation for no reason other than Sorcha Faal has run out other ideas to pepper his or her "reports" with.
There are many people who admire Michael Jackson and his concern for humanity, and who are deeply saddened by his death.
There are many people, too, who are very worried about the way vaccine companies send out live bird flu for vaccines apparently with impunity.
For Sorcha Faal to connect the two with such a facetious link raises the question: who is this person working for? What is the purpose of this disinformation? To frighten people?
Unfortunately, it seems these rumours are being deliberately spread by individuals who claim to be serious scientists and who have offered to help with the compilation of evidence concerning a possible act of bioterrorism.
However, the stakes in this game are high.
This is the way they mess things up.
Jane Bürgermeister really filled charges of bioterrorism against WHO.
http://theflucase.com
Sorcha Faal tried to discredit the denounce of the vaccines threat linking Burgermeister and Michael , to make it unbeliveble.
Sorcha Faal is not a person, but a CIA Psi Ops Group infiltrated in the anti-NWO side.
"She" alleges to receive information from KGB... messy messy!
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/sorcha.htm
or
http://www.rense.com/general63/sorcha.htm
This is a quick search.
Fight against NWO is plenty of this kind of things.
Bürgermeister tryied to bring a lawsuit against "her" as "she" (Faal) was trying to mix up MJ´s "death" with the "pndemic" flu.
See how many "" we have to use with all this things...
[youtube:3fm11tqi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PelTWCUmTsU[/youtube:3fm11tqi]
I´m trying to save some of your time.
Because first you realize about NWO, and after that you have to realize about the lyers of the NWO, who is the NWO itself, people working for them.
Our heart will guide us in this mess, but that way is easier,
and sometimes we can have a little glimpse of it all.
And pleeease people.
Talibans do exist.
Al-Qaeda is a false flag made of nothing.
THANKS! Let us not forget the glimpse, probably the scened glimpse we are supposed to see on the web. And let us not forget our own minds and knowledges about how things went in history, in the past. Masses of people mobilising these energies and courage finally can provoke justice and truth. It only takes time ,endurance and faith and the will to continue investigating!
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As reported on CNN yesterday, Feb. 2nd, 2010: There WILL BE a terrorist attack within the next 6 months. (Not "possibly," but "will be" !) :shock:
Please go & look/research for yourself.
:~* MICHAEL <-------> L.O.V.E. *~:
Whatever the reason MJ had to do this, the FBI are involved and he is in protective custody, but still can enjoy some freedom, meaning, he can still see his children sometimes, maybe in disguise. We will find out the real reason when he returns. All I know is that it must be for a VERY IMPORTANT REASON.
In the meantime, his LOVE has brought us together. That's the power of MJ. People from all around the world, from all different backgrounds, have united, to find the truth. HE WILL BE SO PROUD OF US, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW HE WANTS US TO STAY: UNITED. ONE PERSON ALONE CAN'T CHANGE THE WORLD, BUT TOGETHER, WITH ONE VOICE, WE CAN. SO CAN WE ALL STAY UNITED IN THIS FORUM. OUR GOALS ARE THE SAME. WE HAVE FOUND THE TRUTH, THAT WAS OUR GOAL. WE NEED TO BE STRONG FOR HIM. LETS MAKE A CHANGE FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN AND OUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN.
MJ HAS NOW (IN HIS ABSENCE) BECOME MORE POWERFUL AND RESPECTED. THAT'S WHAT HE HAS WANTED ALL HIS LIFE. HE IS MAKING MORE MONEY NOW, AND I BET YOU, THAT HE IS DONATING IT MOSTLY TO 'HAITI' THATS THE MAN THAT HE WAS AND STILL IS.............THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE TII MOVIE PROFITS HAVE GONE. TO CHARITIES.....................WHEN ALL IS WELL, HE WILL BE BACK, EVEN MORE POWERFUL THEN BEFORE. PEOPLE WILL RESPECT HIM NOW AND LISTEN THIS TIME. LET HIM FINISH HIS WORK, AND IN HIS RIGHT TIME, HE WILL TELL THE WORLD....ABOUT HIS FANTASTIC JOURNEY. ...IT'S ALL FOR L.O.V.E
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As reported on CNN yesterday, Feb. 2nd, 2010: There WILL BE a terrorist attack within the next 6 months. (Not "possibly," but "will be" !) :shock:
Please go & look/research for yourself.
:~* MICHAEL <-------> L.O.V.E. *~:
On the news here in the US this morning they said this. I saw it with my own eyes. In the next 3 to 6 months they said there WILL be another attack on the US....they just dont know when.
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Yeeeeah, they´ve got the crystal ball.
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
This is 2010//!! NOTHING IS RIDICULOUS. This is a terrorist laden society. Are you sleeping under a rock?
You can believe what you want. I see it as ridiculous to believe that Michael was hoaxing his death because his fans were threatend at the O2 concerts. That is a matter of national security. Threats are made daily to all different high profile events. Nobody hoaxes his death for that reason. Besides on a personal belief...Michael seemed to be more a person to be scared of official authorities since they were the ones making his life a living hell.
That is EXACTLY what I plan to do. No one is asking you to agree. So why are you getting so uptight? I said from jump this is MY THEORY. Not yours.
Can you react please to what I've said instead of going into a tirade. I wasn't uptight. You were acting uptight by starting about living under a rock because well we're in 2010 so I have to see it as reasonable that Michael hoaxing his death has anything to do with his fans being under treath. Still don't see the connection. But I guess it is what you wish to believe. I believe Michael hoaxed his death for personal reasons. Not because he was being a hero in somekind of blockbuster movie where terrorists were killing his fans one by one.
ti·rade (t r d , t -r d ). n. A long angry or violent speech, usually of a censorious or denunciatory nature; - whose response does this rerflect :roll:
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Hi all,
This is definitely a sensitive subject. I would just like to ask one simple question: What is terrorism? When do we quantify an action as a terrorist act? Why is it that certain parties turn to violence in order to express themselves? Is there no other means? Or perhaps should we ask...Have all other means been snatched away or blocked? Perhaps these people think that all other means are lost. THIS, IS WHAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
I think that a decade or two ago, the world was in harmony...or at least...more or less in harmony and at peace. Today U.S. is at the verge of bankrupcy....The West is thus at risk and the Rest wish to stand up and 'take back' what they feel is rightfully theirs, the Rest wishes to define and uphold their own sovreignity according to their definition and their description. We have today opposite ends of the spectrum, each one going all out in the fight. A fight that can ONLY be LOSE-LOSE!!!
Michael sang L.O.V.E.....he 'died' in the name of L.O.V.E.....the world desperately needs to address terrorism by stepping into the shoes of l'autrui....understanding the actions, or shall we call them the REACTIONS, of people in the Rest. Perhaps an understanding could lead us to a solution. Then the question would be.....ARE WE BRAVE ENOUGH to push for a real solution....
PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT TRIGGER ANY MORE FEAR IN THIS WORLD, DO NOT ALLOW TRIGGERED FEAR TO UNITE THE FANS TOWARDS A DESTRUCTIVE MEANS AND OBJECTIVE. DO NOT ALLOW TRIGGERED FEAR TO USE US, THE BELIEVERS INTO ACTIONS THAT WOULD BRING MORE DEVASTATION TO THE WORLD.
Yes, there are terrorists, there are geurillas, there are fighters.....but if we point our fingers blindly this could cause the millions of BELIEVERS (especially those who are less informed) to contribute to the seeds of hatred and greed that have been planted by those with the "power" to do so. Remember how these "powers" pointed their finger at Michael and nearly the whole world believed or wanted to believe that Michael had done those terrible things to a child. Now they know that it was all fake, an accusation that turned into a "truth"....simply because they were manipulated into believing lies. And look at what the victim ...Michael ...went through!!! DON'T POINT UNLESS WE KNOW FOR SURE. STOP USING THE WORD TERRORISM, cause this word is, sadly, equated to the REST.
We need to unite in L.O.V.E. not in fear or in hatred.
Michael, I can't imagine the strength that you have in you and the intelligence to outwit them. It shall be all or nothing. My bet is ALL. You havent come this far to lose. We, the Believers, need to not only to unite, but also to BE UNITED. Please guide and advise in order to strengthen us, your platform before you counter.
Michael, you have millions of fans who adore you, and who passionately want you. In all simplicity and humbleness I offer you, not adoration, not irrational passion, but mere friendship and whatever strength I have and intelligence I have in me to make your plan work.
All my love to Michael...
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I hate to say it but these theories are getting ridiculous. This is fear mongering at its best. So evil terrorists were trying to bomb his concerts and Michael was being a hero by protecting his fans. Feels like I'm reading fanfiction.
This is 2010//!! NOTHING IS RIDICULOUS. This is a terrorist laden society. Are you sleeping under a rock?
You can believe what you want. I see it as ridiculous to believe that Michael was hoaxing his death because his fans were threatend at the O2 concerts. That is a matter of national security. Threats are made daily to all different high profile events. Nobody hoaxes his death for that reason. Besides on a personal belief...Michael seemed to be more a person to be scared of official authorities since they were the ones making his life a living hell.
That is EXACTLY what I plan to do. No one is asking you to agree. So why are you getting so uptight? I said from jump this is MY THEORY. Not yours.
Can you react please to what I've said instead of going into a tirade. I wasn't uptight. You were acting uptight by starting about living under a rock because well we're in 2010 so I have to see it as reasonable that Michael hoaxing his death has anything to do with his fans being under treath. Still don't see the connection. But I guess it is what you wish to believe. I believe Michael hoaxed his death for personal reasons. Not because he was being a hero in somekind of blockbuster movie where terrorists were killing his fans one by one.
ti·rade (t r d , t -r d ). n. A long angry or violent speech, usually of a censorious or denunciatory nature; - whose response does this rerflect :roll:
Lets see who was the first quoting me by using CAPS LOCK and exclamation marks!!!!!! Yep that would be you. I was explaining why I found it far fetched and what were you doing in the meantime..oh ofcourse making personal remarks. Good for you.
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Yeeeeah, they´ve got the crystal ball.
:lol: How amazing are they right. If people fear something they will act irrational.
To quote Oscar Wilde : "The truth is rarely pure and never simple."
I wish mainstream media would learn that. If viewers don't get it. Their loss.
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What things seem and what things are:
[youtube:1xj96ddq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giavJC7Q-TM[/youtube:1xj96ddq]
Description (longer in youtube):
According to Dr True Ott:
Moshe phoned Dr True Ot and said he was a microbiologist who wanted to hand over evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 vaccines being produced by Baxter pharmaceutical.
Moshe said that Baxter"s lab in the Ukraine was in fact preparing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He maintained that the vaccine contained both adjuvants designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 global pandemic.
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The day after Moshe phoned the radio show, a swat team surrounded his Volkswagen Beetle near the near the Federal Building at 11000 Wilshire Boulevard in LA. According to Dr Bill Deagle, the Israeli consulate at 6380 Wilshire Boulevard was Moshes destination. The federal building was locked down at noon and employees were told to stay inside.
The mainstream media spun a story that Moshe had threatened the White House with a bomb, that there were 2 outstanding warrants (misdemeanors) against him and that he was depressed.
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Just in case someone haven´t seen it:
7/7 Ripple Effect - [1 of 7]
[youtube:2lawf9n1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY2NXPl625A[/youtube:2lawf9n1]
There are not many good videos or documentaries about 11/3 bombing in Madrid, because here people have been miss leaded and confronted between "It all happened as supposed" and "No, this is fake and was ETA who really did it" (to me both Al Qaeda and ETA are part of GLADIO and worked together with NATO) So people who don´t believe official story, believe another lie.
This one is very good. But it´s in Spanish:
Madrid 11M: 911 días después (1ª parte)
[youtube:2lawf9n1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzfGMyMDNpE[/youtube:2lawf9n1]
Talks about the ten days mock attack (CMX) NATO was performing in Madrid the days before.
And now we have the same threat that in the USA for the next six months
(although it´s been really silenced here), and I think I know the cause:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE50S5UF20090129
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4226339,00.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/05/04/spain.israel.court/index.htmlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/29/spain-israel-gaza-crimes-humanity
http://interkulti.eu/Junglelaw/index.php/home/gaza-a-international-law/29-reports-confirm-spain-considering-limits-on-universal-jurisdiction-
This is not the first time:
Spanish judge (Baltasar Garzón) seeks Kissinger
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/04/18/spain.kissinger/index.html
Garzón against Pinochet
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3085482.stm
Dots are complicated to connect, but it´s all out there.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jul/0 ... eat-police (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jul/06/far-right-terrorism-threat-police)
Scotland Yard's counter-terrorism command fears that right-wing extremists will stage a deadly terrorist attack in Britain to try to stoke racial tensions, the Guardian has learned.
Senior officers say it will be a "spectacular" that is designed to kill. The counter-terrorism unit has redeployed officers to increase its monitoring of the extreme right's potential to stage attacks.
Commander Shaun Sawyer told a meeting of British Muslims concerned about the danger to their communities that police were responding to the growing threat.
Sawyer said of the far right: "I fear that they will have a spectacular... they will carry out an attack that will lead to a loss of life or injury to a community somewhere. They're not choosy about which community."
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Has anyone researched the cancellation clause in the contract with AEG?? Whether MJ could postpone the concerts due to very severe terroist attack alerts????
People wanted him dead during the 05 trials........wonder whether these are the direct threats made towards MJ and to the fans in the concerts????
Tohme’s own ties to the Nation of Islam came to light in March 2009, when New York auctioneer Darren Julien was conducting an auction of Michael Jackson memorabilia.
Julien filed an affidavit in Los Angeles Superior Court that month in which he described a meeting he had with Tohme’s business partner, James R. Weller. According to Julien’s account, ‘Weller said if we refused to postpone [the auction], we would be in danger from 'Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam; those people are very protective of Michael'.
He told us that Dr Tohme and Michael Jackson wanted to give the message to us that 'our lives are at stake and there will be bloodshed'.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z0qKM5d5vL (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196009/Im-better-dead-Im-How-Michael-Jackson-predicted-death-months-ago.html#ixzz0qKM5d5vL)
Sorry to bring this up again, but something just isn't right about all this. Cheers.
This is a great site for catching up on all the recent terrorist news updates:
http://homelandsecurityus.com/ (http://homelandsecurityus.com/)
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My husband seems to think terrorists want Michael dead because he draws too much attention away from them and I told him that sounded a bit far fetched and he was like no not at all, because terrorists want all of the drama and all of the attention on their causes and their ideas. They want to be in the news and with Michael always in the news when he's in full swing or even in the news at all, it puts a load of crap in their little caboose and makes them angry.
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If this is the case, then wouldn't Obama be protecting him ??????
That would explain the hoax being so elabrorate. All the police involved wouldn't be unusual if there was a risk of a terroist attack.
Too coincidental to me. I felt this from the begginning. (this is just my opinion, not a fact) As always, with L.O.V.E xoxo
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If this is the case, then wouldn't Obama be protecting him ??????
That would explain the hoax being so elabrorate. All the police involved wouldn't be unusual if there was a risk of a terroist attack.
Too coincidental to me. I felt this from the begginning. (this is just my opinion, not a fact) As always, with L.O.V.E xoxo
My gut feeling definately supports your argumentation and I read this news in different contexts and so far ,to me ,it does make sense!
As I heared and saw Obama`s reaction on MJs death, I could not avoid the feeling of him being involved in kind of another truth concerning Michael.
Also, the strong increase of the number of security guards at MJs home by the end of June would fit in a threat "picture".There is more that made me think of that,but I have a notorious lack of time to write and paste here :cry: ;)! It is sort of the bigger picture that made me think of that. ;)
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A very possible theory, if it's true it proves once more what a loving and carrying human being Michael is and honestly it would be great cause his comeback would be possible and he would not go to jail,wishful things
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I still believe this is why he went.
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when I landed my o2 tickets and was trying to decide when to plan my trip there, I was nervous as hell cause I had never been to London before and was paranoid about terrorist attacks cause of what happened on the subways a few years back. I also felt paranoid that they would be after Michael Jackson cause he is a big figure and some people are just crazy and it would be easy to get to him or fans if they are situated at the same place for a number of months. It's too easy. And when I heard of Black or White's theory, I was so surprised too cause I thought of it way before his death from my paranoia in general. It could be possible. Even when he first died and we didn't know details, I kept saying maybe God took him to keep from something worse happening to him and one of the things I thought of was a terror attack or getting sick or injured in the middle of doing the shows.
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It is also my opinion that sth serious like a terrorist attack threat should be behind the hoax.
My only problem is: Why didn't he cancel the concerts instead? If a terrorist attack threat was the reason there was superior force and he wouldn't be sued by the organisers.
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It is also my opinion that sth serious like a terrorist attack threat should be behind the hoax.
My only problem is: Why didn't he cancel the concerts instead? If a terrorist attack threat was the reason there was superior force and he wouldn't be sued by the organisers.
If Michael got word of a terrorist attack being done at his concerts, it could have been a case that he was threatened (which is what I feel happened) and was told that if he did the concerts, him and all of his fans (and his children since they were supposed to be there) would die and if he didn't, then they would come after him. Therefore, he wouldn't be able to just cancel the concerts, he would have to make them think he died instead. This is the feeling I've had for a VERY long time concerning all of this which is why I have a problem believing Michael's been planning this hoax for so many years. Well, that and the fact that he did allow tickets to be sold for the concerts. I can't see Michael screwing his fans like that.
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It is also my opinion that sth serious like a terrorist attack threat should be behind the hoax.
My only problem is: Why didn't he cancel the concerts instead? If a terrorist attack threat was the reason there was superior force and he wouldn't be sued by the organisers.
If Michael got word of a terrorist attack being done at his concerts, it could have been a case that he was threatened (which is what I feel happened) and was told that if he did the concerts, him and all of his fans (and his children since they were supposed to be there) would die and if he didn't, then they would come after him. Therefore, he wouldn't be able to just cancel the concerts, he would have to make them think he died instead. This is the feeling I've had for a VERY long time concerning all of this which is why I have a problem believing Michael's been planning this hoax for so many years. Well, that and the fact that he did allow tickets to be sold for the concerts. I can't see Michael screwing his fans like that.
I agree with you on this one.
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Absolutely agree on that
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Accepting that Michael may have hoaxed his death as a result of a terrorist threat to his residency in London goes counter current to the idea that Michael carefully planned his hoax death to deliver his message in a way and, to a scale never achieved before. "You ain't seen nothing yet!"
Was the 25th June 2009 a random date? It is exactly 9282 days after the Pepsi accident which happened exactly 9282 days after Michael's presumed birth date (29/08/1958); the video of the pepsi accident was leaked 21 days after the 25/06/2009. 25+6+2009 = 2040 the date on the 'Rocket' (MJ-40) Michael's used during the History tour.
I would be very surprised if the O2 concerts were ever meant to happen! Not the right venue for Michael!
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I think the 02 is the big place to perform at the moment it would have been a great place for michael all the big names go there but he is the best and where he was going to stay at chislehurst is only about 20 mins drive away but I have always worried that he would be a terrorist target there I feel it was a horror waiting to happen I had a bad feeling about his concerts there I still feel he ran to safety he had cancelled his concerts he would have been labeled a coward for not standing up to threats when the twin. Towers were hit he was accused of running away from new York what ever he did he got he got bad press but I think a threat was there and we have not been told about it is
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http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/03/micha ... reats.html (http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/03/michael-jackson-and-nation-of-islam-accused-of-making-death-threats.html)
It's only been a few months since Jacko converted to Islam and already he's begun to threaten others with violence and "bloodshed." "Claim: Jacko's Rep Threatened Harm From Nation of Islam," from Fox News, March 24:
It should be rockin’ at the Hard Rock Café in New York today where famed auctioneer Darren Julien is exhibiting items from the forthcoming Michael Jackson memorabilia sale.
Last week, Julien and his partner Martin Nolan entered affavadits [sic] into Los Angeles Superior Court claiming that an associate of Jackson’s suggested they were in danger from the Nation of Islam if they didn’t stop the auction scheduled for Los Angeles next month.
Jackson’s representative, James R. Weller, Julien says, met with him and Nolan on February 9, 2009 and threatened him with reciprocity from the Nation of Islam. For most of 2004, Jackson was managed by Leonard Muhammad, son in law of Louis Farrakhan. His security was provided by the NOI as well throughout his 2005 trial for child molestation.[...]
"During the meeting, Weller told Martin and me that our lives would be in danger if we did not postpone the auction. Weller said if we refused to postpone it, we would be in danger from "Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam; those people are very protective of Michael."
Julien’s statement continues: "He told us that Dr. Tohme and Michael Jackson wanted to give the message to us that "our lives are at stake and there will be bloodshed."...
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My problem with this is that there are already "masses of people" in London... its one of the most populated cities in the World.
Sure.. MJ would draw a crowd, but so do football matches, other celebrity appearances and shows... the sales in Oxford street.. know what i mean?
Let me put this into perspective for you :)
There has been talk that Michael's concerts would attract enough people and enough tourism in London to single-handedly drag the UK economy out of recession.
(Nothing else has yet.. thats quite a few people!)
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I think the 02 is the big place to perform at the moment it would have been a great place for michael all the big names go there but he is the best and where he was going to stay at chislehurst is only about 20 mins drive away but I have always worried that he would be a terrorist target there I feel it was a horror waiting to happen I had a bad feeling about his concerts there I still feel he ran to safety he had cancelled his concerts he would have been labeled a coward for not standing up to threats when the twin. Towers were hit he was accused of running away from new York what ever he did he got he got bad press but I think a threat was there and we have not been told about it is
I used to get paranoid about that big house they would stay in too, I was so worried for him and myself and fans and whoever at times. I wasn't worried that he was in no shape to do them, I was worried about other people's plans.
I don't remember him being accused of running from New York though I remember Corey Feldman claiming michael left him there when in fact he got a ride with the other bus in the Jackson entourage. But I remember being paranoid that he was hurt on 9 11 before I knew anything about where the planes came from.
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The 199 FBI files --> http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http: ... Bpages.pdf (http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.mjj-memorial.info/app/download/3404945951/9A-LA-142276%2B1992%2Bto%2B1993%2B196%2Bpages.pdf)
Starting with the page 17 you can see the letters this man sent to the Daily News, FBI, MBLS, the executives of Paramont and so on. I found out his name is Frank Paul Gambino, but he changed it to Frank Clark Jones and then to Frank Paul Jones and he was an obsessed fan of Janet who was trying to get her attention by saying he would kill Michael, Bush and the actual husband of Janet (in 1992 who I learned it was René Elizondo, Jr.)
Page of Frank Paul Gambino --> http://frankpaulgambino.wordpress.com/ (http://frankpaulgambino.wordpress.com/)
René Elizondo, Jr. (born July 16, 1962 in Durango, Mexico) is a dancer, songwriter, and music video director. However, he is best known as the ex-husband of Janet Jackson. The two met in the mid-1980s and seemingly dated until around 1999. In reality, the two were married secretly in 1991. Etc. continue reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Elizondo,_Jr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Elizondo,_Jr). )
He (Gambino) stated he was the son of John Gotti (but in fact he wasn't, that was only to play with everyone's minds) and that he wanted Michael to pay him otherwise he would commit a mass murder attack at any of his concerts. "My interest is that half of Michael's estate is mines, my proof is if he doesn't pay up I'm going after his."
John Joseph Gotti, Jr (October 27, 1940 - June 10, 2002) was the Boss of the Gambino crime family after the murder of the previous boss Paul Castellano. John Gotti was the most powerful crime boss during his era. He became widely known for his outspoken personality and flamboyant style that eventually caused his downfall.
In 1992, Gotti was convicted of 13 murders, conspiracy to commit murder, racketeering, obstruction of justice, illegal gambling, extortion, tax evasion, and loansharking where he was sentenced to life in prison without parole. He died there 10 years later of cancer. More info at --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gotti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gotti)
Gambino crime family --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambino_crime_family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambino_crime_family)
In that PDF you're going to find letters that have been sent to Janet telling her how disappointed he was because she ridiculed him in the newspapers and also because of a movie she was making at that moment. He was so obsessed he started saying Janet was his wife and no one could ever separate him from her. (what a crazy b**ch)
Page 145: Among the documents is one written by the L.A. City Attorney's office, which claimed that on June 22, 1992, the letter's author "arrives in Calif." and "threatens to kill." The FBI interviewed an unidentified "victim," whose name is redacted but the AP said was presumably Michael Jackson, who told authorities that he was aware of the threats and took them seriously. Jones was arrested June 22 and held on $15,000 bail for investigation of trespassing in the driveway of the Jackson family compound in Encino, California, and sentenced in 1993 to two years in prison for "mailing a threatening communication."
Finally he got to prison in '93 with a sentence of 2 years.. (2years? DUH..)
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/576/37127933.png) (http://img685.imageshack.us/i/37127933.png/)
More articles about Frank Paul Jones (Gambino): http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/frank-paul-jones (http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/frank-paul-jones)
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We know in 2003 Michael received some threats again from members of the italian mafia, I wonder if this was the man Michael was afraid of again when he got out of prison..Maybe he started stalking and asking him for money again..
I saw on that blog I linked at the beginning of the post that that crazy b**tch is still having Janet and MJ under observation since there're posts from 2009 and 2010 there talking about them..I don't know if that page is legit but still..he was released so I doubt he moved on..
In the tape:
Here’s a transcript of the messages:
1st message: “It is Michael calling. It is very important, I want that 150 in that account for me, because... I am very concerned about my life. I am hearing a lot of stories that (name withheld) is still trying to sabotage (inaudible) me and I want to be in a different environment and, um, I've found a place that I like and now (inaudible) I want to be away for a while where they can't find me. So please help me, help (inaudible) help me, and, um, more important than (inaudible). We are brothers."
2nd message: "It is Michael. Ahh, it is 4:30 in the morning here that's why I sound very sleepy (laughs) and I'm really worn out... but please check the message I left a day or so ago. I am very concerned. I don't trust that man. We think he's bad, we think he is Italian mafia. Please... we must be smarter than him. So please, help me with this. I need to get that, those funds so I can do that, I wanna be away. . . I don't want to be in Neverland right now."
3rd message: If you get this message call me immediately at 805 *** ****. What I want to talk to you about is very top - top secret... I need a German or Swiss bank... "
4th message: funds. I wanna be away... I don't wanna be in Neverland
"I am very embarrassed. But, um, there should be that I have some finance that's coming up January, February 2nd, and um... that's why I, we need to have on Sun Screen to the account 150. Please don't be mad at me for... (inaudible) It's something that's very important to me and my family, because I'm (inaudible) that I'm being stalked and I think it is (name withheld)." ---> I also think I know who it is! Gambino again?¿
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I keep trying not to think about this, but the more I try not to, the more it appears to me to be THE reason for Michael to be away. There are other theories, but this one in my mind, far outshines any other. I have been trying to get something official from some sources about ramifications of faking death when acts of terrorism are threatened. I get put on hold, hung up on, no responses to emails, the like. It makes me very afraid for Michael. When I watch his family's faces s they talk or rather try not to talk about what is really going on, I can see the strain, the twitches, the inappropriate smiling, hear the rehearsed replies, see the body language. It's like all there. Mixed messages, conflicting information, all of it is right there. To my eyes and ears, they all seem to be restrained, forced to play this out to the hilt until the culprits are revealed, booked and locked away. Only then will Michael be out of harm's way. The thing is that they will have to have solid facts, information, timeliness, etc. It could take years. They will not be free to make any mistakes. It's like the family, Michael's friends are being told to make it appear as if all is normal when nothing they have done since that day seems normal. Did you know that Debbie Rowe is and has been for a while seeing the children?
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I don't like this at all...I was already disturbed my a dream I had, and now I see you talking about "real" threat...
In my dream : I was walking in a town and wanted to go and take the subway. The man working there tells me "you should take the bus 714 (7/14 = 7/7/7 ?)" So I say ok, and as I leave the place, I see a couple, the woman is wearing a veil and they have what is supposed to be a baby in a "stroller/baby chair" but in fact it's a bomb and everything exploded...
Here in France, 7/14 (july 14) is national day, so always pressure for safety about the subway and everything...
It's might seem stupid, but I'll call my friend so they don't get in the french bus or train on that day... :oops:
Anyway, you shouldn't laugh about numbers and terrorists...I mean, you have to be crazy to even think about killing lots of people with a bomb...and they do believe it's a kind of mission for them. So everything has a "mystery side" the day it's made, the way it's made...it's surely very well planned to be on a special day, linked to any belief they have about the fact that it's ok to kill people.
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What the...........................
If this is his real page then this is so odd! Talking about Michael faking his death. I don't get it..
http://frankpaulgambino.wordpress.com/2009/06/ (http://frankpaulgambino.wordpress.com/2009/06/)
(Note: if you didn't read my previous post maybe you won't understand who am I talking about :lol: )
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[youtube:21pxr0dj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBekoZvfzCc&feature=related[/youtube:21pxr0dj]
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Great to see those videos Hazzely....just when all my hopes are banished....I will hold onto this thought that I've had from the beginning of this adventure.....that's all the strength I have left now. If this is the reason all the family are so "real" with their emotions, because they have no choice, and are instructed to do all these things that convince the world that MJ is really dead, then I will hold onto to that thought for a while longer...but something has just died inside of me today, and I can't keep the faith anymore... :( :( :( :( :(
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Great to see those videos Hazzely....just when all my hopes are banished....I will hold onto this thought that I've had from the beginning of this adventure.....that's all the strength I have left now. If this is the reason all the family are so "real" with their emotions, because they have no choice, and are instructed to do all these things that convince the world that MJ is really dead, then I will hold onto to that thought for a while longer...but something has just died inside of me today, and I can't keep the faith anymore... :( :( :( :( :(
Oh God not you too..come on you are one of our oldest members on this forum..we are so close to the truth! I feel they are just playing with our minds sometimes and that they give us clues where there shouldn't be any just to make us still believe, but hey when you look back and see what we have discovered it is simply amazing! We're way better than FBI and CIA put together :lol:
Things just don't add up. If it's a hoax it's normal that these days you're going to see the family behave in a weird way because of the anniversary. They can't just come and tell us "hey this is a wrap" because if he faked his death it has to look real.
Everytime I watch TII my faith boosts because come on, if those were rehearsals and supposedly wouldn't have seen the light, why is Michael looking straight at the camera when he talks about the planet and 2012 at the end? "Take care of the planet!", he's like warning us, looking straight at us!
Don't lose the hope! Everything will be ok :P