Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => After June 25, 2009 => The Funeral, The Body & Forest Lawn => Topic started by: MP7 on January 15, 2010, 11:00:07 AM
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Hi,
I'm a french fan so I'll try to explain with the best way the new clue I have founded.
I watched a lot of time, again and again the burial scene. There are two records, one "unofficial" from a tv cam, and an "official", from the jackson family. Some people think these records are differents. So logicaly, the only way to prove that is to find a mistake between the two records.
In other posts, some people think to have founded some mistakes with the roads in the background. I don't know if is it true because the depth of field seems to be a bit confusing... :?
But, I notice a detail that no other people seems to have found : a tree behind the trashes.
I made screenshots and write legends to show what I'm speaking. What do you think about that ?
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1170/mjfuneralmysterioustree.jpg)
(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1170/mjfuneralmysterioustree.jpg)
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9386/mjfuneralmysterioustreef.jpg)
Here there are the original records :
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8)
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LoTWVvG ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LoTWVvGl6I&feature=related)
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJIqyaJh ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJIqyaJhZx0&feature=related)
If it's true, why Jackson family have made a record with a so advanced attention to details ?
And if a tree has appears, it confirm that the scene doesn't take place in the same location... probably in studio... what's the goal ? :?:
I want to believe :D
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I also want to believe.But do you now whats boutter my for a long time?THE LAMP THAT IS HANGING IN THE AIR.WHY A LAMP ON BRIGHT DAY!!
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Just to light when the night is coming :ugeek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWNMH4S_cHE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWNMH4S_cHE)
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BUT IS IT COINCEDENCE THAT THE SAME LAMP AND THE SAME GREEN GROUND WHERE ALSO IN THE CULVER STUDIO WHERE MICHAEL WAS REHARSING FOR HIS THIS IS IT??
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Same retailer :D
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Look I am sorry but I cant laugh with it!I am almost crazy,I miss my baby and I want to now what is happened.I NEVER EVER NOW THAT A BURIAL HAPPENS IN THE DARK!!
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BUT IS IT COINCEDENCE THAT THE SAME LAMP AND THE SAME GREEN GROUND WHERE ALSO IN THE CULVER STUDIO WHERE MICHAEL WAS REHARSING FOR HIS THIS IS IT??
yep, that's what i noticed too..maybe even the second tree was the one in the studio......
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Hmm, I thought the "lamp" were the cameras. At least that is what I recalled reading a few months ago on memorial sites.
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hmmm strange nice find with the tree it is definetely missing in the pic
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I think it is the angle but ahaha that tree looks SO FAKE:P
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It's strange, it seems that the tree really disappeared. I don't think it's just a matter of angle... :? :?:
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I think it is the angle but ahaha that tree looks SO FAKE:P
I don't think it is the angle, because fake or not, the tree is right next to the silver bin on the first 2 screengrabs, and then is miles away from them in the 3rd shot. Definitely the case of the missing tree!! :?
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Here are a few more images from TNZ's myspace page.
http://www.myspace.com/truenewszone
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/funeral.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/funeral3.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/funeral2.jpg)
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That floaty thing i am baffled by, it doesn't seem to be teathered to anything to stop it floating away, but it doesn't look to have an engine on to keep it in the right place, A gust of wind and it's anyone's guess where it would have gone!!?? Strange how it was seen at Culver.
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Yes, we have noticed the trees before. I am still baffled by the garbage containers. Why would there be trash cans lining the side of the road in front of such an exclusive burial site? What is the need? And why so many? Weird, if you ask me.
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^^^The disappearing tree baffles me more than the trash cans...maybe they wanted trash containers so people won't be throwing their Kleenex on the ground, making the grounds look trashed and littered... I don't know, but what I'm saying is that the trash cans can be explained....not a tree that keeps coming and going.....
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The trash cans are odd, trees that move and disappear are strange and a building that is there and gone the next is just plain weird. Explains why the family had control of the feed for this "event". It all screams 2 funerals, one at Forest Lawn, one at Culver Studios with a green screen and most definitely fake! No real funeral, means no real internment, which equals faked death.
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I haven't seen these before. I always knew things were fake but this proves it doesn't it.
I love how the garbage cans are in all of the signicant shots.
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and my question is why 2 funerals ? for what ? :roll:
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I haven't seen these before. I always knew things were fake but this proves it doesn't it.
I love how the garbage cans are in all of the signicant shots.
There aren't in the Conrad Murray's video
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and my question is why 2 funerals ? for what ? :roll:
One for the money, two for the show.... :P
Lol, excuse me but I couldn´t resist! ;)
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Here are a few more images from TNZ's myspace page.
http://www.myspace.com/truenewszone
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/funeral.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/funeral3.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/funeral2.jpg)
I was watching one of Jordanoggs videos on YT and this was exactly what made me go wtf! Missing building! The thing is the video is not actually pointing this out but just focusing on the funeral in general but I just noticed it anyway cuz it's so obvious! What's up with the missing building and tree?! Can only mean what, 2 different funerals?`but why? Any ideas?
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You must see a bigger plan, then you´ll see that the building is there but not so near. I think it is just diffrerent angle. Yes, that moving tree by trash is very odd. :geek:
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You must see a bigger plan, then you´ll see that the building is there but not so near. I think it is just diffrerent angle.
I second that, we had a discussion about it back then on MJHD and compared the footage - the buildings were really there, but a good distance away from what it seems. So it´s most likely the camera angle and/or the slope of the area.
But something is definitley phony with the footage - in some settings I could swear the background is a picture wallpaper! :geek:
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You must see a bigger plan, then you´ll see that the building is there but not so near. I think it is just diffrerent angle.
I second that, we had a discussion about it back then on MJHD and compared the footage - the buildings were really there, but a good distance away from what it seems. So it´s most likely the camera angle and/or the slope of the area.
But something is definitley phony with the footage - in some settings I could swear the background is a picture wallpaper! :geek:
K, I see just looked like the building was closer but tree's still missing... And isn't there two "types" of footage, the private footage (Jackson's) and the media footage if I remember correctly. With the amount of people in the funeral, not loads but still many, I think we could assume they couldn't all be in on a hoax which would make 2 funerals a bit unlikely. Although it all seems dodgy... Why would the Jackson's have to release footage from the private funeral anyway if there was gonna be a memorial? To prove that it happened? Oh, I don't know...
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I also want to believe.But do you now whats boutter my for a long time?THE LAMP THAT IS HANGING IN THE AIR.
That is a thing for me also, that darn lamp that seems to be attached to nothing!! It just hoovers overhead!
Em
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You must see a bigger plan, then you´ll see that the building is there but not so near. I think it is just diffrerent angle.
I second that, we had a discussion about it back then on MJHD and compared the footage - the buildings were really there, but a good distance away from what it seems. So it´s most likely the camera angle and/or the slope of the area.
The camera was in the back when this was shot. They had to use a telephoto lens to film it. When using this type of lens, you will get image compression. This will make the background appear closer than it really is.
As far as the paths and the trees goes, this type of lens will not add paths or trees!
Em
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Okay, you guys. Yes, there probably was two berials. So, look. If you do the arial view of the memorial, and the one that is close to the ground, you see that in the one close to the ground, there are roads on the background, and in the arial, there are only trees and a small path. Plus, in the screenshot where the camera is pointing close to the ground, it seems like the entire location of the memorial is up. What I mean, is that with the background, it seems slanted, and you can't see the bottoms of the trunks of the various trees. It's as if the private memorial was held on a raised platform. Also, you can see that there is a big lighting 'thingy' by the background. That is the same lighting that was in the green screen room in TII. So, the background is obviously fake, and this was greenscreened. Get what I mean?
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...and the rows are different.
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4726/stuhlreihen.jpg (http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4726/stuhlreihen.jpg)
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love the missing tree :D
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As far as the paths and the trees goes, this type of lens will not add paths or trees!
Em
I posted this on another thread to correct myself, I would like to correct myself here as well:
I must correct my last post about the roads and trees not being there in the aerial pic, but in the ground footage.
Aerial shot:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/FOTOFORRESTLAWNFROMABOVE.jpg)
Ground shot:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/FOTOFUNERALAUTO1.jpg)
I went to FL this past weekend and saw for myself. It is again types of lenses and angles that were used that make it look different.
Keep in mind, I am a photographer:
The road where the funeral was held is next to a hillside. We see the hillside in the aerial view, bit we do not see the grade of it, the steepness, it appears to be flat.. In the ground view, we do not see the hill at all because it drops down. We only see the roads and trees in the distance past the hillside. They seem closer than they really are, due to the compression of the telephoto lens that was used. This kind of lens makes background objects appear closer than they really are. Hence, the mystery of the roads and trees. Also the arches in the background behind the coffin, the same thing, compression.
Em
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=1502&start=25#p139097 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=1502&start=25#p139097)
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^^^The disappearing tree baffles me more than the trash cans...maybe they wanted trash containers so people won't be throwing their Kleenex on the ground, making the grounds look trashed and littered... I don't know, but what I'm saying is that the trash cans can be explained....not a tree that keeps coming and going.....
Really? They need that many trash cans for tissue? It's only 200 guests. They must have thought these guests would be crying a river. As precise as the Jacksons were with every detail it's highly unlikely that they would have gotten their film home to watch and went "darn! we forgot to move the trashcans out of camera view!" :) No, I think there must be more to it. The tree is also a very confusing - even if it was the shot of the camera.
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...and the rows are different.
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4726/stuhlreihen.jpg (http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4726/stuhlreihen.jpg)
Can't you see the pictures you are talking about(with rows missing) are clearly distorted. Everything is crooked in them.
They are also magnified more, so the distortion is magnified more as well.
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great observation.......let them talk their way out of this then...!!!!!
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Michael Jackson loved trees. :D :D :D :D
There are many bins. It must mean " What a load of rubbish"
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EXACTLY!!!!!!
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The trees, building, garbage cans, all stange stuff indeed and all points to Hoax!!!
These are all super finds
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I've found this vid in where the reporters speculate about what the blimp and the footage of the funereal could be for:
Listen at 0:47
[youtube:dcwi6ocn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B30Yz2RLCDc&NR=1[/youtube:dcwi6ocn]
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i'm not sure but it just went through my mind... if the helicopter footage were from the "media"... why can't it be made my themselves? :?
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i have another one:
why is this whole 'funeral' outside in the first place? i have never in my life been at a funeral service that takes place outside. it is either in a church, cathedral or some building for that purpose on the cemetery grounds. what happened there? they didn't have a free capacity for michael jackson's funeral? no filming allowed in there for just a show? maybe someone should ask forest lawn if that's standard procedure or what...?
the tree, trashcans, building and funny 'floating light' are 3 more reasons to beleive that all this was a 'one for the money, two for the show' thing! i absolutely agree here! i bet anyone caught cryin' there was just too happy it was all just a showcase. yes, they had to come up with some material for the press to 'prove it happened', so they wouldn't get haunted afterwards. give the dog a bone...
about the light: there are some tripods near that big tree, but the light looks so high up in the air, i doubt that these flimsy tripods could hold that in place on this height. i don't see anything on that lamp in terms of wires or straps going from there to any fixture point or construction...anyone?
the trascans: if i had any say so in the organisation of a funeral service of that caliber, i woudl make SURE there are no trashbins in sight! if i had to move 'em myself, they would def not show in any footage on my watch! so, was anyone sloppy here does it turn the trashbins into a clue? i'm pretty sure the latter applies... :mrgreen:
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Know what though, about the trash cans...
Why do they look so...Industrial? why aren't they ornate/matching with the rest of the setup? They stick out like sore thumbs, and you wouldn't normally have them all lined up in one place. you'd have nice trash cans, spread out over different areas...Am I right? :?
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Tabloidburn, I also thought about that, but started another topic.
Why did they even have it oudoors when Forest Lawn has private function buildings and churches that are even free, and a part of the service they offer.
They obviously wanted to be seen by the world for a reason.
Private funeral should mean that......private !!