Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: DancingTheDream on January 10, 2010, 12:13:05 PM
-
News of the World have run with a story that they have obtained copy of MJ death certificate that has never been published before.
Link: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/66 ... icide.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/667950/Michael-Jackson-death-certificate-rules-homicide.html)
Michael Jackson: It WAS homicide
By James Desborough, 10/01/2010
MICHAEL Jackson's death certificate rules he WAS murdered, the News of the World can reveal.
We obtained a copy of the document and an amendment to it - that have never been published.
On the original July 7 certificate deputy coroner Cheryl MacWillie refuses to give a cause of death.
But after further probes, it is amended on August 31 by medical examiner Christopher Rogers to "homicide".
He concludes Jacko died from "acute Propofol intoxication" due to an "intra-venous injection by another".
Meanwhile Jacko's doctor Conrad Murray, 56, has hired a hotshot lawyer in case he is charged over the June 25 death.
Jacko basks in the applause at the end of his final concert in LA.
Hollywood legal eagle Michael Flanagan saved a nurse from a murder charge when she was accused of wrongly administering painkiller Propofol.
Murray already has a Houston law firm building his defence. Police affidavits say he admitted loading up Jacko, 50, with Propofol and other drugs in the hours before his death.
The prosecution is likely to use lawyer Patrick Dixon, who helped put Phil Spector behind bars.
Dr. Conrad Murray, Jacko's doctor
But yesterday a Jackson family source said: "We are all keeping our faith with the police. We want them to do this case properly and put away the man who we feel is responsible for Michael's death.
"We want the authorities though to release details of what happened to Michael in his last few hours. We want the paperwork to come out to show just what drugs were put inside him and what happened in his last few hours alive.
"Much of the documentation has been kept secret - and we can't understand it.
"We still feel that there is more than one person responsible for Michael's tragic death. Joe won't give up on getting justice for his son and a lawuit is his focus."
doc1: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime ... 81075a.jpg (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00081/jacko_cert1_81075a.jpg)
doc2: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime ... 81072a.jpg (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00081/jacko_cert2_81072a.jpg)
Last night a coroners office worker explained the void branding on the forms was issued by the health authority which holds the documents. They brand forms like this to avoid them from being used for fraudulent purposes.
-
its got the embalmer's name on it!! :shock: JESUS MIGUEL RUIZ
SOMETHING HAS JUST POPPED OUT!!!
it says DEPOSITION DATE 07/07/09 FORREST LAWN..
THEN IT SAY DEPOSTION TEMP!! what does that mean!!! i thought he was buried there!!
-
..
-
Does TEMP mean Temporary if so does that mean he has not been buried yet
-
All this does not please me at all .... now the turn
Should now be particularly attentive. 8-)
-
Does TEMP mean Temporary if so does that mean he has not been buried yet
Thats what i thought.. and if its up to date then shouldn't that have been amended to PERMINANT!! :shock:
-
Does TEMP mean Temporary if so does that mean he has not been buried yet
Yeh I'd guess it means temporary. But it wouldn't mean that he hasn't been buried yet, just that if he has, it is just temporary. But I'm sure I read something that said they were only burying him there temporarily, until the family decided on a final place ie. Neverland. :?
-
This is making me nervous. :?
But isn't this what we've heard? That January would be a crazy month?
I don't know what to believe anymore :cry: :?
-
Does TEMP mean Temporary if so does that mean he has not been buried yet
Yeh I'd guess it means temporary. But it wouldn't mean that he hasn't been buried yet, just that if he has, it is just temporary. But I'm sure I read something that said they were only burying him there temporarily, until the family decided on a final place ie. Neverland. :?
I heard that too. But if those pics of the crpyt are real, how are they suppose to get him out?
-
Does TEMP mean Temporary if so does that mean he has not been buried yet
Yeh I'd guess it means temporary. But it wouldn't mean that he hasn't been buried yet, just that if he has, it is just temporary. But I'm sure I read something that said they were only burying him there temporarily, until the family decided on a final place ie. Neverland. :?
I heard that too. But if those pics of the crpyt are real, how are they suppose to get him out?
Well, that's a good question! :lol: ... Maybe there is a way.. who knows!
-
ermmm... isn't he suppose to be under huge amounts of concrete!! so there gonna smash all that up without harming his coffin then move him somewhere different!! sounds fishy to me..
oh and put everyone through another buriel!! :shock:
-
ermmm... isn't he suppose to be under huge amounts of concrete!! so there gonna smash all that up without harming his coffin then move him somewhere different!! sounds fishy to me..
oh and put everyone through another buriel!! :shock:
If this is a hoax...and he's alive....and he comes back at some point....can you only imagine how painful his REAL death is going to be?
-
ermmm... isn't he suppose to be under huge amounts of concrete!! so there gonna smash all that up without harming his coffin then move him somewhere different!! sounds fishy to me..
oh and put everyone through another buriel!! :shock:
If this is a hoax...and he's alive....and he comes back at some point....can you only imagine how painful his REAL death is going to be?
yeh i know... but my opinion on that is.. after he has done whatever it is he has to do he'll just disappear.. and the rest will be history!! so it won't be world wide news just a private family thing!!
-
ermmm... isn't he suppose to be under huge amounts of concrete!! so there gonna smash all that up without harming his coffin then move him somewhere different!! sounds fishy to me..
That's what makes me think this is fake. There hardly likely to smash the concrete so he's kinda stuck in there. And think of all the money they would have spent entombing him in concrete, all a bit pointless if you as me.
-
News of the World has NEVER been a reliable source. It is as close to tabloid news as you can get! :| I wouldn't waste too much time dwelling and worrying about this article.
-
doc1: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime) ... 81075a.jpg
Jonathan Fielding MD is listed as the signing Local registrar. He has wiki page.
Jonathan E. Fielding M.D., M.P.H., M.A., M.B.A. is the Director of the Department of Public Health and is the Health Officer for Los Angeles County.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding
The signatory for the LA Coroners Office is Cheryl Macwillie. She is a Coroner's Lieutenant and Spokesperson.
Los Angeles County Coroner's Lt. Cheryl MacWillie
http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie
The embalmer is listed as Jesus Miguel Ruiz - license number 8473
CEMETERY AND FUNERAL BUREAU
Licensee Name: RUIZ JESUS MIGUEL
License Type: EMBALMER
License Number: 8473
License Status: CLEAR Definition
Expiration Date: April 30, 2010
Issue Date: April 08, 1998
County: LOS ANGELES
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=8473&P_LTE_ID=728
doc2: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime) ... 81072a.jpg
Christopher Rogers MD as the certifying Physician or Coroner. He is listed at the:
LOS ANGELES COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER-CORONER
Forensic Medicine - Christopher Rogers, M.D. 323-343-0715
http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oeswebsite.nsf/0/24E79A109ABCF25B8825743C007AB077?OpenDocument
All of these people seem to really exist.... :(
-
ermmm... isn't he suppose to be under huge amounts of concrete!! so there gonna smash all that up without harming his coffin then move him somewhere different!! sounds fishy to me..
oh and put everyone through another buriel!! :shock:
You know if MJ is "dead" which I doubt but have they ever heard of letting the dead rest in peace!!!
-
@Serenitys_Dream
this is what is getting to me about the whole thing.. FRAUD comes to mind if its a fake D/C.. i wouldn't have thought they could sign or lend their name to FAKE documents if you know what i mean.. :?
as much as i try to convince myself.. YEAH IT CAN BE DONE!! but i'm sure that would be illegal.. :roll:
-
I dont understand whats been going on this weekend. Im getting really tired of it all. :(
-
I dont understand whats been going on this weekend. Im getting really tired of it all. :(
I sooo agree. They are REALLY trying to PROVE he is gone especially this weekend!! But this IS coming from one of the worst tabloids out there.
-
They always throw us out from time to time what! You want to keep the issue hot!! It's like a bait ....
-
I cant understand why todays big news in the media is "MJ was murdered" and "world exclusive death certificate" when this has been on the web for months.. we knew about all this ages ago.
-
There is something wrong with this situation on so many levels. On the first set of death certificates Jonathan Fielding signed the death certificates. Why Dean Logan sign this one? Why different signatures? Something isn't right. If he was really dead and his death was documented then there wouldn't be a need for another person to sign another death certificate.
I think they're trying to scare people into trying to prove Michael is dead because time is running out and more evidence is pointing to him being alive than him being dead. So until I get hardcore facts, I'm sticking to my guns. :D
-
[attachment=0:18t7oseb]2dmn8x.jpg[/attachment:18t7oseb]
But anyways lol....if so,then he hasnt been buried,which he never was in the first place.Nothing to worry about.the question is why its being brought up?
Im sure we will get a rejection saying its a fake,I say wait for TMZ,yes its a tabloid but its easier that way,easier to root truth from lie from the brickman .
-
Why there's LaToya's name on it? Is it because she did the formal stuff regarding funeral or is it because she applied for getting this document? If it's so, then it must be fake, 'cause she couldn't apply it, being since 30.12.2009 till now in Europe...
-
Why there's LaToya's name on it? Is it because she did the formal stuff regarding funeral or is it because she applied for getting this document? If it's so, then it must be fake, 'cause she couldn't apply it, being since 30.12.2009 till now in Europe...
yepp,cuz shes in Germany till waht..the 16th.. :lol:
-
yepp,cuz shes in Germany till waht..the 16th.. :lol:
and she went there directly from Poland.... She wasn't in USA since 30.12.2009
-
What's she doing in Europe?
Serious question; I honestly don't know.
-
What's she doing in Europe?
Serious question; I honestly don't know.
In Poland she was on New Years Eve, doing countdown, then she stayed couple of days, she was seeing shopping and sightseeing. She put some videos on her YT profile: http://www.youtube.com/user/latoyaonline (http://www.youtube.com/user/latoyaonline)
Now, she's in Germany. I don't know exactly what she's doing there, but JacksonSource confirmed, she's there.
It's funny actually... another Jackson going to Germany in shortly time... Joe is often here, La Toya was also there 2 months ago...
-
Wasn't there a rumor that MJ was in Berlin?
Odd.
-
I remember Latoya saying on tv that she is an L.A.P.D officer, she had to go through training for a reality tv program... Has anybody seen the actual program, or is the reality thing what is going on now?
-
News of the World has NEVER been a reliable source. It is as close to tabloid news as you can get! :| I wouldn't waste too much time dwelling and worrying about this article.
THANK YOU! Guys come on! These guys are just tabloid trash. Most of the media can't be trusted in the first place, but THESE guys are at the top of the media that you should not trust, PERIOD. Chillax.
-
For those who don't know yet, reputable Entertainment Weekly published an article today that states they "confirmed with the L.A. County coroner’s office that the document, which is part of the public record, is genuine."
The document in question is the amended death certificate that trashy News of the World published, which Entertainment Weekly's article links to directly. So, it seems the amendment to Michael's death certificate may be real.
However, I specify "may" (1) given the original source and (2) the fact that Entertainment Weekly has previously had to recant information it published.
LINK to Entertainment Weekly article: Michael Jackson death certificate ruling homicide appears online (http://news-briefs.ew.com/2010/01/10/michael-jackson-death-certificate-homicide-online/)
-
its got the embalmer's name on it!! :shock: JESUS MIGUEL RUIZ
SOMETHING HAS JUST POPPED OUT!!!
it says DEPOSITION DATE 07/07/09 FORREST LAWN..
THEN IT SAY DEPOSTION TEMP!! what does that mean!!! i thought he was buried there!!
They put TEMP on there when he died. They weren't sure what they were going to do I guess;
-
News of the World have run with a story that they have obtained copy of MJ death certificate that has never been published before.
Link: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/66 ... icide.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/667950/Michael-Jackson-death-certificate-rules-homicide.html)
Michael Jackson: It WAS homicide
By James Desborough, 10/01/2010
MICHAEL Jackson's death certificate rules he WAS murdered, the News of the World can reveal.
We obtained a copy of the document and an amendment to it - that have never been published.
On the original July 7 certificate deputy coroner Cheryl MacWillie refuses to give a cause of death.
But after further probes, it is amended on August 31 by medical examiner Christopher Rogers to "homicide".
He concludes Jacko died from "acute Propofol intoxication" due to an "intra-venous injection by another".
Meanwhile Jacko's doctor Conrad Murray, 56, has hired a hotshot lawyer in case he is charged over the June 25 death.
Jacko basks in the applause at the end of his final concert in LA.
Hollywood legal eagle Michael Flanagan saved a nurse from a murder charge when she was accused of wrongly administering painkiller Propofol.
Murray already has a Houston law firm building his defence. Police affidavits say he admitted loading up Jacko, 50, with Propofol and other drugs in the hours before his death.
The prosecution is likely to use lawyer Patrick Dixon, who helped put Phil Spector behind bars.
Dr. Conrad Murray, Jacko's doctor
But yesterday a Jackson family source said: "We are all keeping our faith with the police. We want them to do this case properly and put away the man who we feel is responsible for Michael's death.
"We want the authorities though to release details of what happened to Michael in his last few hours. We want the paperwork to come out to show just what drugs were put inside him and what happened in his last few hours alive.
"Much of the documentation has been kept secret - and we can't understand it.
"We still feel that there is more than one person responsible for Michael's tragic death. Joe won't give up on getting justice for his son and a lawuit is his focus."
doc1: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime ... 81075a.jpg (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00081/jacko_cert1_81075a.jpg)
doc2: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime ... 81072a.jpg (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00081/jacko_cert2_81072a.jpg)
Last night a coroners office worker explained the void branding on the forms was issued by the health authority which holds the documents. They brand forms like this to avoid them from being used for fraudulent purposes.
Trying to sell papers. This isn't new news.
-
Again, did you notice:
the various MJ DCs consist of some other paper copied into the DC blanks. You'll see the frames of the copy. The size of the included documents does vary from each version that I have seen so far and differs from DCs of other persons. Even the character size and font types are different.
If this were the true output of californian authorities, I would honestly be worried about administration in the U.S.
Come on, they are discussing "fingerprint payment" and "iris eye identification" hence cannot get a DC right? To me this is either proof of fake or middle age sloppyness.
-
maybe they fixed it up because we were having so many questions because there were so many different things gong on in the old DC...
Or maybe the old DC's were fake and the new one is the actualy DC. People said the old DC's were fake however if the '" Jacksons" could make a fake DC of MJ then so could some person trying to mess with peoples emotions
who knows this whole thing is just confusing me i dont know what to think anymore...sadly i think this investigation is coming to a end...but we will find out eventually...hopefully because i not the one to jump on a rollercoaster to often...
-
doc1: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime) ... 81075a.jpg
Jonathan Fielding MD is listed as the signing Local registrar. He has wiki page.
Jonathan E. Fielding M.D., M.P.H., M.A., M.B.A. is the Director of the Department of Public Health and is the Health Officer for Los Angeles County.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding
The signatory for the LA Coroners Office is Cheryl Macwillie. She is a Coroner's Lieutenant and Spokesperson.
Los Angeles County Coroner's Lt. Cheryl MacWillie
http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie
The embalmer is listed as Jesus Miguel Ruiz - license number 8473
CEMETERY AND FUNERAL BUREAU
Licensee Name: RUIZ JESUS MIGUEL
License Type: EMBALMER
License Number: 8473
License Status: CLEAR Definition
Expiration Date: April 30, 2010
Issue Date: April 08, 1998
County: LOS ANGELES
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=8473&P_LTE_ID=728
doc2: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime) ... 81072a.jpg
Christopher Rogers MD as the certifying Physician or Coroner. He is listed at the:
LOS ANGELES COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER-CORONER
Forensic Medicine - Christopher Rogers, M.D. 323-343-0715
http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oeswebsite.nsf/0/24E79A109ABCF25B8825743C007AB077?OpenDocument
All of these people seem to really exist.... :(
Im sure someone on the old MJHD site telephoned the Embalmer and spoke with him, cant for the life of me remember what the reply said exactly. :roll:
-
its got the embalmer's name on it!! :shock: JESUS MIGUEL RUIZ
SOMETHING HAS JUST POPPED OUT!!!
it says DEPOSITION DATE 07/07/09 FORREST LAWN..
THEN IT SAY DEPOSTION TEMP!! what does that mean!!! i thought he was buried there!!
Why are so many people do not listen to me... :(
Please take a look here, there has been alot discussed and it will answer your questions. Many topics are discussed there not only that the burial on September might be not true:
Here the link:http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=2982
-
Why there's LaToya's name on it? Is it because she did the formal stuff regarding funeral or is it because she applied for getting this document? If it's so, then it must be fake, 'cause she couldn't apply it, being since 30.12.2009 till now in Europe...
Every death record has an informant. It can be anyone that informed. In this case it was Latoya. That death certicate was done months ago. Look at the date on it - not the puchase date that is probably on the bottom. It's not fake.
-
The Death Certificate is bogus there are no signatures on it only names so no signature means no legal laws broken. I have searched and looked over death certificates of celebs I KNOW are dead and there is always a handwritten signature plus they still have him listed at Havenhurst but the missing signatures mean to me anyway that he is alive. :D