Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => After June 25, 2009 => This Is It => Topic started by: itsall4love on January 06, 2010, 08:46:41 AM
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I was watching the "Thriller" part from This is it and noticed that on one of the gravestones, there was written "RIP BILL BLAKE"
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4250504953_7afe66e445_o.jpg)
It might be nothing, but I thought I'd show you guys this and discuss.
Would it be just a random name? Or does it mean anything?
When I googled "Bill Blake", the first to appear was Bill Blake on the IMDB page, the producer. (Pumpkinhead)
Then I thought maybe it 's the short form of "William Blake", the English writer?
I don't know, at this point this seems to have been chosen randomly, but I guess it's in our nature to question everything.
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i googled their names together and got this
http://books.google.be/books?id=L_IDAAA ... on&f=false (http://books.google.be/books?id=L_IDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=bill+blake+michael+jackson&source=bl&ots=vvtQLaOZs4&sig=KLlpM-Se7BUZDHtG28M7BN7PGws&hl=nl&ei=aKxES6iwH8X94AbAlpSqCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=bill%20blake%20michael%20jackson&f=false)
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This doesn’t seem like a random name, that article you posted has written something about Michael's staging his death.
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This doesn’t seem like a random name, that article you posted has written something about Michael's staging his death.
Really? Sorry I didn't see that? Is it the same article or?... :o :shock:
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Ok Guys,
SO I googled MJ and B.B and that's what I found:
Rich Ford twitted (http://twitter.com/rfordc1 (http://twitter.com/rfordc1)) that message:
Holy cow, I had no idea Michael Jackson and Bill Blake knew one and other
7:20 AM Jun 26th, 2009 from web
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This doesn’t seem like a random name, that article you posted has written something about Michael's staging his death.
It does not say that at all. It says, "Bizarre superstar Michael Jackson will never perform again".
The date on this is August 2, 1994 (don't know if that is relevant)
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that guy has to be the worst psychic of all time.. :lol:
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Bill Blake died becasue of heart problems too. :shock:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news ... lice_Death (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/Sgt_Bill_Blake_Minneapolis_Police_Death)
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Ok Guys,
SO I googled MJ and B.B and that's what I found:
Rich Ford twitted (http://twitter.com/rfordc1 (http://twitter.com/rfordc1)) that message:
Holy cow, I had no idea Michael Jackson and Bill Blake knew one and other
7:20 AM Jun 26th, 2009 from web
Seems like someone is joking with a coworker or friend is all. They have a twitter friend in the same computer industry as them named Bill Blake. Doesn't seem related imo. http://twitter.com/bblake
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Hmm, there are so many Bill Blake in the world. How do we know which one is the tombstone referring to? :?
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Bill Blake died becasue of heart problems too. :shock:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news ... lice_Death (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/Sgt_Bill_Blake_Minneapolis_Police_Death)
Okay this is getting silly and this particular bill Blake is important to all this because?
Minneapolis Police Officer Dies
Sgt. Bill Blake suffered heart problems
I don't see any link to Michael nor the hoax here...
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Bill Blake died becasue of heart problems too. :shock:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news ... lice_Death (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/Sgt_Bill_Blake_Minneapolis_Police_Death)
Okay this is getting silly and this particular bill Blake is important to all this because?
Minneapolis Police Officer Dies
Sgt. Bill Blake suffered heart problems
I don't see any link to Michael nor the hoax here...
Well, that is why I say there's too many BB in the world.
:oops:
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If this has any relevance I think it would be to this Bill Blake.
William Blake (28 November 1757–12 August 1827) was an English poet, painter, and printmaker. Largely unrecognised during his lifetime, Blake is now considered a seminal figure in the history of both the poetry and visual arts of the Romantic Age. His prophetic poetry has been said to form "what is in proportion to its merits the least read body of poetry in the English language". His visual artistry has led one modern critic to proclaim him "far and away the greatest artist Britain has ever produced"] Although he only once journeyed farther than a day's walk outside London during his lifetime, he produced a diverse and symbolically rich corpus, which embraced the imagination as "the body of God", or "Human existence itself".
Considered mad by contemporaries for his idiosyncratic views, Blake is held in high regard by later critics for his expressiveness and creativity, and for the philosophical and mystical undercurrents within his work. His paintings and poetry have been characterized as part of both the Romantic movement and "Pre-Romantic", for its large appearance in the 18th century. Reverent of the Bible but hostile to the Church of England, Blake was influenced by the ideals and ambitions of the French and American revolutions,[ as well as by such thinkers as Jakob Böhme and Emanuel Swedenborg.
Despite these known influences, the singularity of Blake's work makes him difficult to classify. The 19th century scholar William Rossetti characterised Blake as a "glorious luminary," and as "a man not forestalled by predecessors, nor to be classed with contemporaries, nor to be replaced by known or readily surmisable successors."
Dante's Divine Comedy
The commission for Dante's Divine Comedy came to Blake in 1826 through Linnell, with the ultimate aim of producing a series of engravings. Blake's death in 1827 would cut short the enterprise, and only a handful of the watercolours were completed, with only seven of the engravings arriving at proof form. Even so, they have evoked praise:
'[T]he Dante watercolours are among Blake's richest achievements, engaging fully with the problem of illustrating a poem of this complexity. The mastery of watercolour has reached an even higher level than before, and is used to extraordinary effect in differentiating the atmosphere of the three states of being in the poem'
Blake's illustrations of the poem are not merely accompanying works, but rather seem to critically revise, or furnish commentary on, certain spiritual or moral aspects of the text.
Because the project was never completed, Blake's intent may itself be obscured. Some indicators, however, bolster the impression that Blake's illustrations in their totality would themselves take issue with the text they accompany: In the margin of Homer Bearing the Sword and His Companions, Blake notes, "Every thing in Dantes Comedia shews That for Tyrannical Purposes he has made This World the Foundation of All & the Goddess Nature & not the Holy Ghost." Blake seems to dissent from Dante's admiration of the poetic works of the ancient Greeks, and from the apparent glee with which Dante allots punishments in Hell (as evidenced by the grim humour of the cantos).
At the same time, Blake shared Dante's distrust of materialism and the corruptive nature of power, and clearly relished the opportunity to represent the atmosphere and imagery of Dante's work pictorially. Even as he seemed to near death, Blake's central preoccupation was his feverish work on the illustrations to Dante's Inferno; he is said to have spent one of the very last shillings he possessed on a pencil to continue sketching
Death
On the day of his death, Blake worked relentlessly on his Dante series. Eventually, it is reported, he ceased working and turned to his wife, who was in tears by his bedside. Beholding her, Blake is said to have cried, "Stay Kate! Keep just as you are – I will draw your portrait – for you have ever been an angel to me." Having completed this portrait (now lost), Blake laid down his tools and began to sing hymns and verses.At six that evening, after promising his wife that he would be with her always, Blake died. Gilchrist reports that a female lodger in the same house, present at his expiration, said, "I have been at the death, not of a man, but of a blessed angel."
George Richmond gives the following account of Blake's death in a letter to Samuel Palmer:
“ He died ... in a most glorious manner. He said He was going to that Country he had all His life wished to see & expressed Himself Happy, hoping for Salvation through Jesus Christ — Just before he died His Countenance became fair. His eyes Brighten'd and he burst out Singing of the things he saw in Heaven.
Since 1965, the exact location of William Blake's grave had been lost and forgotten. Blake is now recognised as a saint in the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blake
http://www.online-literature.com/blake/
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@ serenitys dream
interesting eh? Check out "Dead Man" on IDMB Bill Blake is played by Johnny Depp
in short he's on the run and gets help from someone who thinks that "Bill" is actually the writer William Blake. Tagline is interesting too: No one can survive becoming a legend.
Sorry can't copy the link here , am on my daughters new mini PC without a mose and have not figured the touchpad out yet! But go to IDMB and check it out with the full plot summary
Links to MJ ? Well heard that Johnny Depp would play part of MJ in the eventuality of a film about MJ, Johnny Depp knew Marlon Brando personally as did MJ, and your piece on William Blake the writer esp that last part .
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Interesting catch! We picked the meat off of the bones of TII or... so we thought. Since few things are coincidental with the hoax, I am inclined to think that the name has some relevance. Maybe it isn't so clear as in one person named Bill Blake. Could Mj be saying RIP to one person with first name Bill and another person with the last name Blake? Yeah yeah I know it's a long shot. His former head of security was Bill Bray. Mr Bray worked with MJ for decades and died in 2005. Maybe he is the "Bill". Were there any people with the last name Blake that Mj might have known who also passed away? LOL...if we don't throw it against the wall, we'll never know what sticks.
I was watching the "Thriller" part from This is it and noticed that on one of the gravestones, there was written "RIP BILL BLAKE"
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4250504953_7afe66e445_o.jpg)
It might be nothing, but I thought I'd show you guys this and discuss.
Would it be just a random name? Or does it mean anything?
When I googled "Bill Blake", the first to appear was Bill Blake on the IMDB page, the producer. (Pumpkinhead)
Then I thought maybe it 's the short form of "William Blake", the English writer?
I don't know, at this point this seems to have been chosen randomly, but I guess it's in our nature to question everything.
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This doesn’t seem like a random name, that article you posted has written something about Michael's staging his death.
Really? Sorry I didn't see that? Is it the same article or?... :o :shock:
No it's not in the same article, I would assume its the same writers or makers if you will. I can't seem to find that article but someone posted that one this forum.
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@ serenitys dream
interesting eh? Check out "Dead Man" on IDMB Bill Blake is played by Johnny Depp
in short he's on the run and gets help from someone who thinks that "Bill" is actually the writer William Blake. Tagline is interesting too: No one can survive becoming a legend.
Sorry can't copy the link here , am on my daughters new mini PC without a mose and have not figured the touchpad out yet! But go to IDMB and check it out with the full plot summary
Links to MJ ? Well heard that Johnny Depp would play part of MJ in the eventuality of a film about MJ, Johnny Depp knew Marlon Brando personally as did MJ, and your piece on William Blake the writer esp that last part .
WOW that is really interesting!
Plot Summary for Dead Man (1995)
Dead Man is the story of a young man's journey, both physically and spiritually, into very unfamiliar terrain. William Blake travels to the extreme western frontiers of America sometime in the 2nd half of the 19th century. Lost and badly wounded, he encounters a very odd, outcast Native American, named "Nobody," who believes Blake is actually the dead English poet of the same name. The story, with Nobody's help, leads William Blake through situations that are in turn comical and violent. Contrary to his nature, circumstances transform Blake into a hunted outlaw, a killer, and a man whose physical existence is slowly slipping away. Thrown into a world that is cruel and chaotic, his eyes are opened to the fragility that defines the realm of the living. It is as though he passes through the surface of a mirror, and emerges into a previously-unknown world that exists on the other side.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112817/plotsummary
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i would never have even spotted this!!! you guys are great at spotting thing i think ill be better with the dvd!! :lol:
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Wow guys, thank you all so much for looking into this.
Great connections with William Blake - the writer and "Dead Man". Maybe the name isn't so random after all. You're really good at this :D
Funny how just recently we were discussing about Johnny Depp and the possible influence that Michael had on him. And now he's in discussion again.
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This doesn’t seem like a random name, that article you posted has written something about Michael's staging his death.
Really? Sorry I didn't see that? Is it the same article or?... :o :shock:
No it's not in the same article, I would assume its the same writers or makers if you will. I can't seem to find that article but someone posted that one this forum.
I found the article it was apperently written in 1994 about his faked death.
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/93 ... h-29-1994/ (http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/9364/michael-jackson-article-march-29-1994/)
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Oh and about Sgt. Blake, the one iMISSYOUMJ linked to, he died on August 1st 2009.
And if we consider this particular Bill Blake to be the one on the gravestone... (for who knows what reasons) that would mean
1. His name was added in post production
2. His name was there on the stone when they filmed it, meaning the filming was done in August?
Ok but we don't have too many reasons to think that Sgt. Blake is the one.So... :roll:
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I found the article it was apperently written in 1994 about his faked death.
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/93 ... h-29-1994/ (http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/9364/michael-jackson-article-march-29-1994/)
Oh, I remember this "eerie" article, I also read it on the forums. Thanks for re-posting it.
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I found the article it was apperently written in 1994 about his faked death.
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/93 ... h-29-1994/ (http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/9364/michael-jackson-article-march-29-1994/)
Oh, I remember this "eerie" article, I also read it on the forums. Thanks for re-posting it.
Holy crap! I've never seen that article before but it's creepy as hell indeed. Even if the World News is a bogus paper, it's pretty accurate in its prediction...it even says the cover story for the death hoax is a heart attack.
Maybe Michael saw this article back in '94 and decided make that prediction come true.
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Dead Man
Date of Release: May 26, 1995
Director and playwright: Jim Jarmusch
Genre: Western
Main artists: Johnny Depp (William Blake), Avital (Thel Russell), Gary Farmer (Nobady), Lance Henriksen (Cole Wilson), Michael Wincott (Conway Twill) and John Hurt (John Scholfield).
Synopsis:
Bill Blake comes in the town of Machine to work in a factory as an accountant; but unfortunately he has come just one month late because of his parents’ death and dealing with their funerals and so he losses the job. At the coming night of his arrival in to town, Bill confronts with a hawker girl and being invited to be with her for the night but the girl's former boy friend (son of Machine's Metal Works Company owner) comes and bill obliged to kill him as self-defense and he himself became wounded. He ran away and at morning waking up he meets Nobody who is an English literate Indian; he calls William Blake the Dead Man as he has name of a dead English poet and also carrying a bullet in his chest. They start a journey to escape from their prosecution(ors), on way they face with different surprising and adventures; these events transforms William Blake into a cold blooded man slaughterer just for his survival. It makes a killing-field which their death is its outcome.
Setting:
Time: the film is set in late 19th century,
Place: in extreme western frontier of America.
Genre: Western, Drama
"It is preferable not to travel with a dead man." Is a quotation from Henri Michaux with which the movie begins, so initially it is obvious that the audiences are going to watch a fully metaphoric movie. William Blake (1757-1827), English poet, painter, and engraver, who created an unusual form of illustrated verse; his poetry, inspired by mystical vision, is among the most original, lyric, and prophetic in the language is name of the main character and Nobody which I think can be a metaphor from American dramatist Arthur Miller’s most renowned work, Death of a Salesman (1949) which tells the story of a traveling salesman, Willy Loman, who experiences frustration and failure as he reflects upon his life, in a scene that Charley (Loman’s friend)speaks over the salesman’s grave start with “Nobody dast blame this man. You don’t understand: Willy was a salesman…” is name of the second man. Both are metaphors seeking and fighting for their identities: Blake has lost his kin and hits the road to west in search of a location where he can ignite a new life. Although it’s asserted in the finishing scripts that it’s a fictional story and no one should be considered as any real character but to a high extend Willy Blake (the dead man) represents the ex-President Andrew Jackson who was a orphan as Billy is and a Dead Man as he had a bullet in his chest too.
Technique of Film:
Dead Man is projected in black and white, which by itself represents the sorrow mood of the story; furthermore it shows that all main characters in the work are white and good or black and villain, there is no gray main character in the story. In 1995 a black and white film can also considered as a dehabitualization and deconstruction after long time color motion pictures (since 1940 & 50s). Dead Man is full of violence and that’s why it got R in rating, it conveys a full sense of bitterness and fright in 19th centaury America.
The music of the film is outstanding; written and performed by Neil Young using an electric guitar, he did solely what the whole blacks and whites did or what had been done in whole black and white.
Figures of Play (rather than speech)
The train seems to move retroversively which might is intended to takes back the audiences to the willing time in the western territories of 19th centaury America. Starting in train Billy Blake understood that people in that land “speak dagger” to innocents; but as it’s a long time since Shakespeare’s Hamlet, they speak and versify in gun. From street to bed and from hate to love all should have gun “because it’s America”. Industrialization also put more wood on fire of brutality as locomotive engineer did in the starting scenes. Another notion which must be considered is tobacco, a healing herb for Indians which has been changed into a smoking grass for whites.
Conclusion
Dead Man talks and shows nothing but a dead value of humanity. It shows that in modern so-called civilized West even a pinto is more valuable than a man (even a white one). Jarmusch’s cinema always shows social problems and issues just as it’s observable in his other work like: Stranger Than Paradise (1984), Down by Law (1986), Mystery Train (1989), Night on Earth (1992), Coffee and Cigarettes: Somewhere in California (1993), Year of the Horse (1997) and Butterfly Man (2005).
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I found the article it was apperently written in 1994 about his faked death.
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/93 ... h-29-1994/ (http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/9364/michael-jackson-article-march-29-1994/)
Oh, I remember this "eerie" article, I also read it on the forums. Thanks for re-posting it.
Isn't it strange that this is posted on June 20th 2009??? They posted it again on June 25th.
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@Believe 777
Good observation, didn't notice the date. :shock:
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I found the article it was apperently written in 1994 about his faked death.
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/93 ... h-29-1994/ (http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/9364/michael-jackson-article-march-29-1994/)
Oh, I remember this "eerie" article, I also read it on the forums. Thanks for re-posting it.
Isn't it strange that this is posted on June 20th 2009??? They posted it again on June 25th.
Could be a coincidence, but who knows. I would not be suprised if Michael leaked info here and there intentionally.
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That article is creeeepy! lol
JMO, I think it could be William Blake. His "Songs of Innocence" and "Songs of Experience" would speak to Michael I think...along with some of his other works.
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@ serenitys dream
interesting eh? Check out "Dead Man" on IDMB Bill Blake is played by Johnny Depp
in short he's on the run and gets help from someone who thinks that "Bill" is actually the writer William Blake. Tagline is interesting too: No one can survive becoming a legend.
Sorry can't copy the link here , am on my daughters new mini PC without a mose and have not figured the touchpad out yet! But go to IDMB and check it out with the full plot summary
Links to MJ ? Well heard that Johnny Depp would play part of MJ in the eventuality of a film about MJ, Johnny Depp knew Marlon Brando personally as did MJ, and your piece on William Blake the writer esp that last part .
I have that DVD.. :D
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@ serenitys dream
interesting eh? Check out "Dead Man" on IDMB Bill Blake is played by Johnny Depp
in short he's on the run and gets help from someone who thinks that "Bill" is actually the writer William Blake. Tagline is interesting too: No one can survive becoming a legend.
Sorry can't copy the link here , am on my daughters new mini PC without a mose and have not figured the touchpad out yet! But go to IDMB and check it out with the full plot summary
Links to MJ ? Well heard that Johnny Depp would play part of MJ in the eventuality of a film about MJ, Johnny Depp knew Marlon Brando personally as did MJ, and your piece on William Blake the writer esp that last part .
:o