Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
General Michael Jackson Forum => Pictures & Videos of Michael => Topic started by: Angela1958 on January 05, 2010, 06:55:31 PM
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Does anyone of you have pics, where Michaels Vitiligo is clearly shown , I think most of the time he has been covering it with Make-Up (Camouflage)
By the way, Mikey, I love every inch and every Vitiligo-Spot on your sexy body <3 <3 <3
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Horrible photo, i will apologise.. but only one i have of MJs legs which show the vitiligo along with a horrible injury. :D
Happy to help. Ive asked on a different thread if anyone has any photos of MJs nail discolouration.. so if any guys can help me please go to my thread. :D here: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2937 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2937)
If i find any more vitiligo posts i will post again.. 8-)
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very clear here...
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Thank you so much, this pic where he puts his fingers into his ears, I had saved already im my Michael photo-album, the other pic with the sweetest smile I only know a bit darker.
This photo of his legs makes me very sad, what an injury has that been? Had it something to do with the spider-bite? Poor Michael, my darling!
And the last two pics from "Sma" I haven't seen before!
Thank you, girls! :P
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I am hoping this was to convince somebody that he had vitiligo right?
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The book cover of Dancing the Dream clearly shows his arm is black and his hand is white if you want to look
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0385403682/? ... 7jykl87h_e (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0385403682/?tag=yahhyd-21&hvadid=36739255031&ref=pd_sl_2j7jykl87h_e)
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This photo of his legs makes me very sad, what an injury has that been? Had it something to do with the spider-bite? Poor Michael, my darling!
If I remember correctly(?), the photo of the legs, was to prove he couldn't get to a court date or something because he claimed he had suffered a really bad spider bite on his leg. But people in the press have claimed that the area on his leg, can infact be caused by over injecting substances. Don't know how true this is. There was a topic about it over at MJJC.
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Horrible photo, i will apologise.. but only one i have of MJs legs which show the vitiligo along with a horrible injury. :D
Happy to help. Ive asked on a different thread if anyone has any photos of MJs nail discolouration.. so if any guys can help me please go to my thread. :D here: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2937 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2937)
If i find any more vitiligo posts i will post again.. 8-)
This may be out of topic, but i keep looking, mostly, at his left foot (not the injured one...)! Except for the vitiligo, his ankles and feet are REALLY swollen (especially the left foot)! Could that be a result of a possible heart decease or arthritis??? Or maybe the result of a sprain?
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I am hoping this was to convince somebody that he had vitiligo right?
You are right, I have to convince some people, who always tell he bleached his skin.
I of course had never any doubts about his Vitiligo.
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I dont think heart disease causes swollen ankles? Maybe swollen from the bite?
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Here's another and lols i like this pic :D
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/history/shortfilms/tdcau_b/003.jpg
srry the pic was to big :oops:
http://]http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9100000/pic-showing-patched-from-MJ-s-vitiligo-michael-jackson-9174086-283-400.jpg
http://media.photobucket.com/image/mj%20vitiligo/CrazyCarla/knotie-Vitiligo_mj1.jpg
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do yall consider it a possibility that (i do not deny Michael having vitiligo) but when he saw what it was doin to his skin he decided to even it out with whatever products to whiten skin? again i'm not saying Michael didn't have vitiligo. I'm just saying maybe he wanted to even it out becuase we've heard that the vitiligo was so bad he was more white than black.
which would be understandable knowing that he is an entertainer and he would need to look his best so he decided to even it all.
poor Michael. Black, white or indifferent he was/is still SO GORGEOUS. 8-)
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do yall consider it a possibility that (i do not deny Michael having vitiligo) but when he saw what it was doin to his skin he decided to even it out with whatever products to whiten skin? again i'm not saying Michael didn't have vitiligo. I'm just saying maybe he wanted to even it out becuase we've heard that the vitiligo was so bad he was more white than black.
which would be understandable knowing that he is an entertainer and he would need to look his best so he decided to even it all.
poor Michael. Black, white or indifferent he was/is still SO GORGEOUS. 8-)
yeah i think he actually said that somewhere...that like at first he used darker make up to cover it up because he was more black then white and then just eventually went to whiter make up ad it got so bad the doctor gave him something to help him even it out a bit...I think the reason why he said he used ABSOLUTLEY none of it was because everyone was attacking him about it and they would just assume he bleached his skin when really he was just just trying to even out what was left...does that make sense? But i mean i would have done the same thing as well...at my work i met a girl that had the exact same thing as michael i mean she was so white but you can still see some spots...but she was so beautiful to i just saying its not uncommon to people getting that cream to help even it out
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I dont think heart disease causes swollen ankles? Maybe swollen from the bite?
Unfortunately, it does...
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do yall consider it a possibility that (i do not deny Michael having vitiligo) but when he saw what it was doin to his skin he decided to even it out with whatever products to whiten skin? again i'm not saying Michael didn't have vitiligo. I'm just saying maybe he wanted to even it out becuase we've heard that the vitiligo was so bad he was more white than black.
which would be understandable knowing that he is an entertainer and he would need to look his best so he decided to even it all.
I thought that was common knowledge? :? They found Benoquin bleaching cream in his bedroom after he "died". From what I've read, the pigment comes back in some areas, so it makes sense he had to continue to do touch-ups.
I might get flayed for this (please be gentle...I would never think badly of Michael!) but I thought this comment below was kind of interesting, only because we don't truly know anything personally about MJ. I happen to believe he did have vitiligo but you never know...it is obvious he had some sort of body dysmorphic disorder.
http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/06/1 ... l-jackson/ (http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/full-information-on-vitiligo-michael-jackson/)
Michael Jackson does not have vitiligo. Micheal Jackson HAD what is called “post in flammatory Hyper-pigmentation” as a result of severe adolescent acne. This condition leaves dark spots of pigment on the skin, and is most prominent in blacks. Jackson talks about his spots in many interviews. One treatment for this is bleaching cream usually combined with the acne medication cream Retin-A, which acts as a vehicle to make the bleaching cream penetrate the skin even further. The cream is applied on the face, but not the eyelids, lips and around the nostrils.
This treatment targets the over active melanicites (the cells in the skin that produce pigment) and slowly destroys them. If used properly, for the right amount of time and then discontinued, the spots will disappear and skin tone will be evened out.
I believe he used too much, for too long doing what is called “self-medicating”.
Google pictures of Jackson’s face in his late teens, it is dark brown with spots (when seen without make-up). Around the time of Thriller, his facial skin becomes refined perfectly even, smooth and brighter. You can see this starting in the Motown25 special. Look closely at his face in the movie theater scene of the Thriller video. You will see his cheeks are lighter and smooth, while the color of his nose tip, upper lip and eye lids is darker. This is because he wasn’t using the bleaching creams there. Look at the Beat it video, shot soon after Thriller. There is a scene at the beginning of the video showing him leaning back in bed. You can clearly see that his face looks pink and light compared to his neck, nose, eye lids and upper lip which are still dark brown, his arms are darker too. Check out phots of his recieving his Grammy’s for Thriller, you can start to see thsi too, especially his hands being darker brown than hsi face. This becomes extremely obvious in many other photos of his around this time. Check out the “The Way You Make me Feel” video in the close up of him at the beginning. His face looks almost white except for his eye lids. In the Bad video, his face changes from light yellow to pink from scene to scene, depending on the make up and lighting. I have seen many photos of him on line from the Bad era, with the pattern of coloring described above. In pictures that do not show this it is because he is wearing make up to cover it and probably using a self tanning lotion to cover light spots.
Sometime by the late 80’s or early 90’s he had to make a choice; go through life with a bleached white face and black body, or de-pigment his entire body to match his face. This is what some vitiligo patients do. So Michael Jackson had to litterally bathe in bleaching solution to make his body color match his bleached face.
For all you skeptics, watch the scene in the Martin Bashire interview with Jackson in a Las Vegas hotel, talking about his first sexual experiences and Tatum Oneal. He puts his pink hand up to his white face but his fingernails are still brown! That is because you can’t get bleaching cream under your fingernails, you can see this in many other pictures on line too.
Michael Jackson was the mentally unstable superstar of the world in the 80’s. It is obvious he is into excess, to put it mildly. The insidious thing about overusing bleaching cream is that it takes about 1-1/2 months to see the permanent effect of ‘over-doing’ it because that’s how long it takes for newly created pigment cells to reach the surface of the skin. In other-words, if you over do it, you won’t know right away. What you will think is that you skin is getting better and better looking, then discover you went to far, and it’s too late. Michael Jackson is obviously someone who is into “self-medicating” with plastic surgery, so this makes sense.
When you see Jackson today, wearing that bizarre wig that hangs over the sides of his face, notice that he uses it to shade his face from the sun. That is what his “germ mask” and fedora hats were all about too.
I think the whole Vitiligo explanation was devised by Jackson’s publicists and he is trapped in this tragic lie.
I feel sorry for Jackson for two reasons; One, he inadvertently ruined not only his skin, but his face with plastic surgery (destroyed his nose and has to wear a prosthetic tip, cheek implants, upper lip implant, lower lip and eye lid fat removal, chin cleft and implant, forehead light) He has to live with this everyday. Two, he can’t come clean about this and it is one of the primary reasons he is perceived as odd, reculsive and eccentric. Oh yes, there is a third; When he was black, he built Neverland, the ultimate outdoor fantasy land. As soon as it was complete the turned white and could no longer expose himself to the sun. Oh, there is a fourth; the active ingredient in bleaching cream contain mercury. Too much mercury absorbed into the bloodstream causes insanity…Go figure!
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do yall consider it a possibility that (i do not deny Michael having vitiligo) but when he saw what it was doin to his skin he decided to even it out with whatever products to whiten skin? again i'm not saying Michael didn't have vitiligo. I'm just saying maybe he wanted to even it out becuase we've heard that the vitiligo was so bad he was more white than black.
which would be understandable knowing that he is an entertainer and he would need to look his best so he decided to even it all.
I thought that was common knowledge? :? They found Benoquin bleaching cream in his bedroom after he "died". From what I've read, the pigment comes back in some areas, so it makes sense he had to continue to do touch-ups.
I might get flayed for this (please be gentle...I would never think badly of Michael!) but I thought this comment below was kind of interesting, only because we don't truly know anything personally about MJ. I happen to believe he did have vitiligo but you never know...it is obvious he had some sort of body dysmorphic disorder.
http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/06/1 ... l-jackson/ (http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/full-information-on-vitiligo-michael-jackson/)
Michael Jackson does not have vitiligo. Micheal Jackson HAD what is called “post in flammatory Hyper-pigmentation” as a result of severe adolescent acne. This condition leaves dark spots of pigment on the skin, and is most prominent in blacks. Jackson talks about his spots in many interviews. One treatment for this is bleaching cream usually combined with the acne medication cream Retin-A, which acts as a vehicle to make the bleaching cream penetrate the skin even further. The cream is applied on the face, but not the eyelids, lips and around the nostrils.
This treatment targets the over active melanicites (the cells in the skin that produce pigment) and slowly destroys them. If used properly, for the right amount of time and then discontinued, the spots will disappear and skin tone will be evened out.
I believe he used too much, for too long doing what is called “self-medicating”.
Google pictures of Jackson’s face in his late teens, it is dark brown with spots (when seen without make-up). Around the time of Thriller, his facial skin becomes refined perfectly even, smooth and brighter. You can see this starting in the Motown25 special. Look closely at his face in the movie theater scene of the Thriller video. You will see his cheeks are lighter and smooth, while the color of his nose tip, upper lip and eye lids is darker. This is because he wasn’t using the bleaching creams there. Look at the Beat it video, shot soon after Thriller. There is a scene at the beginning of the video showing him leaning back in bed. You can clearly see that his face looks pink and light compared to his neck, nose, eye lids and upper lip which are still dark brown, his arms are darker too. Check out phots of his recieving his Grammy’s for Thriller, you can start to see thsi too, especially his hands being darker brown than hsi face. This becomes extremely obvious in many other photos of his around this time. Check out the “The Way You Make me Feel” video in the close up of him at the beginning. His face looks almost white except for his eye lids. In the Bad video, his face changes from light yellow to pink from scene to scene, depending on the make up and lighting. I have seen many photos of him on line from the Bad era, with the pattern of coloring described above. In pictures that do not show this it is because he is wearing make up to cover it and probably using a self tanning lotion to cover light spots.
Sometime by the late 80’s or early 90’s he had to make a choice; go through life with a bleached white face and black body, or de-pigment his entire body to match his face. This is what some vitiligo patients do. So Michael Jackson had to litterally bathe in bleaching solution to make his body color match his bleached face.
For all you skeptics, watch the scene in the Martin Bashire interview with Jackson in a Las Vegas hotel, talking about his first sexual experiences and Tatum Oneal. He puts his pink hand up to his white face but his fingernails are still brown! That is because you can’t get bleaching cream under your fingernails, you can see this in many other pictures on line too.
Michael Jackson was the mentally unstable superstar of the world in the 80’s. It is obvious he is into excess, to put it mildly. The insidious thing about overusing bleaching cream is that it takes about 1-1/2 months to see the permanent effect of ‘over-doing’ it because that’s how long it takes for newly created pigment cells to reach the surface of the skin. In other-words, if you over do it, you won’t know right away. What you will think is that you skin is getting better and better looking, then discover you went to far, and it’s too late. Michael Jackson is obviously someone who is into “self-medicating” with plastic surgery, so this makes sense.
When you see Jackson today, wearing that bizarre wig that hangs over the sides of his face, notice that he uses it to shade his face from the sun. That is what his “germ mask” and fedora hats were all about too.
I think the whole Vitiligo explanation was devised by Jackson’s publicists and he is trapped in this tragic lie.
I feel sorry for Jackson for two reasons; One, he inadvertently ruined not only his skin, but his face with plastic surgery (destroyed his nose and has to wear a prosthetic tip, cheek implants, upper lip implant, lower lip and eye lid fat removal, chin cleft and implant, forehead light) He has to live with this everyday. Two, he can’t come clean about this and it is one of the primary reasons he is perceived as odd, reculsive and eccentric. Oh yes, there is a third; When he was black, he built Neverland, the ultimate outdoor fantasy land. As soon as it was complete the turned white and could no longer expose himself to the sun. Oh, there is a fourth; the active ingredient in bleaching cream contain mercury. Too much mercury absorbed into the bloodstream causes insanity…Go figure!
ok so now I'm a little confused about whether he had vitiligo or not. because of the fingernail color point. I don't know. but vitiligo is common so thats why its not so hard to believe that he may have had it. I don't think he would change his color purposely though.
the article though completely disappointed me with the crap about cheek bone implants, eye lid fat removal. OMG please. i dont believe that jive.
I do believe Michael just changed his nose and enhanced the cleft. His eyes, cheeks, chin have always looked the same.
I will have to give this article (up intil that jive about cheek implants, etc) a little bit of thought.
thank you for the article, Iloveumoremj. its food for thought. i just cant really stand the stories about the cheek implants.
seriously the whole family has porky pig cheeks. (no offense to them. its a good feature) i just think Michael changed diffeerent little things like his hair, shape of eyebrows, his weight went up and down, he matured, change in makeup, attitude, etc. all changd so it made it look like he had 100s of surgeries. but i cant believe that. i really think just the nose and cleft changed.
dont get me wrong i do believe Michael and his family have fibbed many times. but this time i think Michael is telling the truth simply becuase of the evidence and analysis of his face.
let me know what yall think
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I don't believe that his skin pigment was a result of bleaching because why & how would he only bleach in spots(as you see in the pic where he's holding the microphone)? Your skin is one organ. Even if you bleach a specific area it may bleed a little into the others. And why would he bleach his neck?
Also, even if he *DID* have problems with his face, why would this automatically mean he has to bleach his whole body?! :?
He was used to wearing make up. I would only think it would mean he had to keep makeup on his face.
I've seen people who used hydroquinone to lighten their skin(usually to even out old acne scars). It isn't splotchy like on Michael's hands, arms, chest, and face. It was mostly even with maybe a few areas lighter than others. The "bleach" cream, isn't like liquid bleach where if you pour it on a surface, it turns that one spot white and the rest stays the original color. The chemical works by slowing down the skin's production of pigment. NOT erasing. If you use a high concentration for a long period of time, it may(especially when combined with alpha hydroxy acids) help to turn your skin white. But it wouldn't be patches and splotchy like in MJ's case.
I DO believe, however, that he probably used some medicated cream to lighten the areas that were still brown so they would blend in with the white areas and he could worry less about the makeup.
By the way, here's a pretty good blog post addressing Michael Jackson & vitiligo with some pics of others who have it - without their makeup:
http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2009/07/auto-immune-diseases-and-michael.html
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do yall consider it a possibility that (i do not deny Michael having vitiligo) but when he saw what it was doin to his skin he decided to even it out with whatever products to whiten skin? again i'm not saying Michael didn't have vitiligo. I'm just saying maybe he wanted to even it out becuase we've heard that the vitiligo was so bad he was more white than black.
which would be understandable knowing that he is an entertainer and he would need to look his best so he decided to even it all.
poor Michael. Black, white or indifferent he was/is still SO GORGEOUS. 8-)
You are very true Crescendo because the news reporter that has the same skin condition uses a darker makeup to keep his skin brown but the doctors told him that he will have to use the lighter makeup someday so i think once Michael saw the change he said why not to make it even and that most definitely is not a problem and yes he is gorgeous no matter what color he is i will always love him the same :D :D :D
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do yall consider it a possibility that (i do not deny Michael having vitiligo) but when he saw what it was doin to his skin he decided to even it out with whatever products to whiten skin? again i'm not saying Michael didn't have vitiligo. I'm just saying maybe he wanted to even it out becuase we've heard that the vitiligo was so bad he was more white than black.
which would be understandable knowing that he is an entertainer and he would need to look his best so he decided to even it all.
poor Michael. Black, white or indifferent he was/is still SO GORGEOUS. 8-)
You are very true Crescendo because the news reporter that has the same skin condition uses a darker makeup to keep his skin brown but the doctors told him that he will have to use the lighter makeup someday so i think once Michael saw the change he said why not to make it even and that most definitely is not a problem and yes he is gorgeous no matter what color he is i will always love him the same :D :D :D
Seems like the reporter has the exact same situation like Michael. I know there are some people who have vitiligo but not as bad meaning that (like michael) theyre more white than black. or more paler white than white.
I don't think Michael had any reason to change his color. although i know quite a few people personally who arent proud of their color and would like to change it. I just cant so much see Michael like that. i think the only thing he may have been self conscious about was his acne and nose. BUT I HAVE NO IDEA WHY cuz even when he was goin through that stage of blemishes he STILL was a FOXY MAN. He was cute and adorable from day 1 and went to being handsome and foxy at year 18. ;)
lol but in all seriousness I understand some see flaws when others see none.
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I just love the piccies you posted of MJ! He is just sheer perfection! ;)
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Are you guys really discussing whether he has vitiligo or not?? :roll:
Isn't it already obvious. He said so himself.
Michael is not the first person I saw with vitiligo, I've seen what it does to people so I can tell it's vitiligo.
I do think he did tried to even it out with some kind of treatment, wich is really understandable. I would have done the same thing.
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do yall consider it a possibility that (i do not deny Michael having vitiligo) but when he saw what it was doin to his skin he decided to even it out with whatever products to whiten skin? again i'm not saying Michael didn't have vitiligo. I'm just saying maybe he wanted to even it out becuase we've heard that the vitiligo was so bad he was more white than black.
which would be understandable knowing that he is an entertainer and he would need to look his best so he decided to even it all.
poor Michael. Black, white or indifferent he was/is still SO GORGEOUS. 8-)
his vitiligo progressed extremely fast..he know just has a spot on his neck,forhead and some but few on arms..he doesnt really need makeup anymore unless performing...it progress very quickly..but my answer is yes,he could have,but it doesnt matter :D
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This is a really sad picture of MJ with vitiligo. :cry:
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HE HAD VITILIGO . THE ARTICLE WAS FULL OF RIDICULOUS STUFF MURCURY ABSORPTION .........IRRITATING ....NAIL DISCOLORATION WAS DUE TO VITILIGO . PLEASE DONT DOUBT HIS ILLNESS
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HE HAD VITILIGO . THE ARTICLE WAS FULL OF RIDICULOUS STUFF MURCURY ABSORPTION .........IRRITATING ....NAIL DISCOLORATION WAS DUE TO VITILIGO . PLEASE DONT DOUBT HIS ILLNESS
Or maybe Nail Discolouration due to something else....
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Prince has vitiligo too, right??
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Prince has vitiligo too, right??
Yes. There are pictures on YouTube that clearly highlight it's effect on his face.
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Prince has vitiligo too, right??
I've seen a few pix and I'm pretty sure he does. Plus, when the Jack5on reality show was on, I can't be sure because I've not seen any close-ups but, in one episode with Jackie's daughter Brandi, I thought I seen what looked like these same spots on her neck. Idk, it could've been the lighting :? Does anyone know if any other Jackson family member has this?
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Prince has vitiligo too, right??
Yes. There are pictures on YouTube that clearly highlight it's effect on his face.
That's were I found out he had it. I saw some pics on utube
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i have had so many arguments about Michaels Vitiligo at home with friends they always say well he was odd he even wanted to be white and I BLAST them tell them learn the facts and show them pictures poor Michael has vitiligo and that is cruel to say he doesnt it is clear he has and he suffers for it siting in a bath of bleach what rubbish i feel so sorry for him dont even quetion it here he has it and that is that .
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HE HAD VITILIGO . THE ARTICLE WAS FULL OF RIDICULOUS STUFF MURCURY ABSORPTION .........IRRITATING ....NAIL DISCOLORATION WAS DUE TO VITILIGO . PLEASE DONT DOUBT HIS ILLNESS
so agree dont doubt Michael
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Ok, I just want to say that many of these vitiligo pictures are clearly photoshopped because you can find the exact same pictures without the appearance of blotches. There are however more realistic pictures where you can see some blotches. The pictures of Prince with blotches are also photoshopped because I've seen the same picture where he's "blotch-free", that doesn't mean he does not have vitiligo he might have blotches in less visible areas. I do however think alot of MJ fans wants to prove Michael is Prince's biological dad by stating that they have the same disease. I strongly believe Michael has vitiligo and have read a lot about the condition. It is not only hereditary, it can be but the doctors are still not 100% sure what the causes are. I've read that it's very likely that it's stress-related which would explain Michael's case very well since he started getting blotches around the Thriller era and I'm quite sure that was a stressful period for him. There are also different types of vitiligo, I can't remember the names but one is milder whereas one is more "aggressive". Michael suffers from the latter one. I do believe he bleached bits of his visible body parts to even it out which a lot of people with this condition do. However it's a process that is restricted to people with Vitiligo since it's permanent, although blotching will sometimes reappear. Bleaching creams that can be bought on the market are not permanent. The brown finger nails does not disprove the fact that he has vitiligo, have you seen black people's nails? They're not brown but light.
My advice is, if you want to find pictures that prove Michael had vitiligo go look for it randomly. YT videos and sites that want to show/prove Michael had vitiligo many times present photoshopped pictures and we want the real ones right? ;) Sorry about the long post just thought I'd share what I know...
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Dont hate me for this... but i dont believe Prince and Paris are biologically Michaels children.
And the reason i think MJ made that decision is because he didnt want to pass his health problems on.
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Dont hate me for this... but i dont believe Prince and Paris are biologically Michaels children.
And the reason i think MJ made that decision is because he didnt want to pass his health problems on.
I don't hate you. I believe the same. I appreciate your courage as well.
I don't believe they are biologically his children but I do not doubt the love and care he gave them. I don't think any of us doubt that.
I Love Michael. and sadly I think he did have vitiligo. But still never made him any less gorgeous.
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sorry if someone posted this, I didn't read the whole thread because I got so upset. MICHAEL JACKSON HAD VITALIGO! Once most of his body was covered with white depigmented blotches and the makeup could no longer take care of the problem he used the bleaching cream to take away the dark spots so, as his mother said, so he wouldn't look like a cow. This is common among vitaligo patients who have most of the pigment gone from their body. Why are we still wondering about MJ's skin? Vitiligo is comon in people with Lupus, which MJ had.
http://www.avrf.org/treatments/treatments2.htm
by Thomas B. Fitzpatrick, MD , Ph.D
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Topical Creams To Remove Normal Skin Pigment And Unify Skin Color
The goal of depigmentation is to unify skin color in patients with vitiligo virtually all over the body and those who have failed PUVA, who cannot use PUVA, or who reject the PUVA option. Bleaching with monobenzylether of hydroquinone 20% cream (Benoquin) is a permanent, irreversible process. Since application of Benoquin may be associated with distant depigmentation, Benoquin cannot be used to selectively to bleach certain areas of normal pigmentation, because there is a real likelihood that new and distant white macules will develop over the months of use. Bleaching with Benoquin normally requires twice-daily possible side effects. Uncommonly, contact dermatitis is observed. The success rate is about 93%. Periodically following sun exposure, an occasional patient will observe focal repigmentation, which will require a month or so of local use of Benoquin to reverse.
The end-stage color of skin bleached with Benoquin is the same chalk-white as the vitiligo macules. Most patients are quite satisfied with uniformity and the finality of the results. An occasional patient may wish to take 30 to 60 mg beta-carotene to impart on off-white color to the skin. The only side effect of beta-carotene is the uncommon risk of diarrhea.
Patients who undergo bleaching are at risk for sunburn. They should avoid midday sun exposure and should use a high-SPF sunscreen. To date no long-term untoward effects have been reported from the use of monobenzylether of hydroquinone for skin bleaching.
Why Is It Important To Treat Vitiligo?
Many physicians, and even some dermatologists, fail to recognize the profound social and psychological impact vitiligo may have on its victims. Vitiligo is painless and non-pruritic and, unlike psoriasis, it is not associated with shedding of skin scales. But the disfigurement of vitiligo, accentuated among persons with brown or black skin, can be devastating.
The recent media publicity about Michael Jackson's battle with vitiligo has helped raise public awareness of the disease. While vitiligo is worldwide and affects all races equally, it is a particularly troubling social problem for persons whose normal skin color is brown or black. The contrast between brown skin and white vitiligo spots can create a grotesque "harlequin" appearance. The same kind of disfigurement can become a problem for vitiligo victims with normally fair skin who tan deeply during the summer months or, among those who live in sunny climates, throughout the year.
In India, vitiligo, or "leukoderma" as it is called there, is regarded as "white leprosy." The late Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru ranked vitiligo as one of three major medical problems in India, alongside malaria and leprosy. A woman in India cannot marry if she has even one spot of vitiligo, and if a woman develops vitiligo after marriage it is considered grounds for divorce.
It is no wonder vitiligo patients can turn aggressive, feel a sense of shame, or become withdrawn and resentful. For many, vitiligo is not just a cosmetic problem-it is a major social dysfunction that seriously curtails their ability to lead a normal work, social or married life. Reversal of the white spots and restoration of normal skin color is therefore the primary hope for all these disfigured vitiligo patients.
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If Michael said he had vitiligo I believe him a 1000% and have never ever questioned it
These pics just prove it to make all the nay sayers shut up
Michael i love you no matter what!!!
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he had vitiligo. it is something he's very insecure about and it's not something anyone can control. imagine how insecure you get with a pimple, now think about how you would feel if those pimples were actually spots that are different color than your natural skin tone. and they spread everywhere, in masses. let's not deny what it is anymore, for michael's sake.
black, white, spotted, green...i don't care. i'll take michael any way.
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I'm really tired of this topic, I blew up on this girl at my school about it. He was diagnosed mid to late 80s, this is 2010. I know this thread wasn't originally asking if he had it or not, I think we should just... drop it. I freak out when people talk about my acne scars, even if they're just mentioning them fading. Things like this embarress people, any imperfections do really. Michael is human too, let's not forget.
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i'm sure is vitiligo...my ex-boyfriend have vitiligo too...and when i look at the pic of MJ legs, i can see the same kind of spots that he have.
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I just love Michael anyway he comes. But I have wondered about the discoid lupus he suffered with and how he dealt with it's effects on his skin. I see the effect it has had in the singer Seal's face and it made me think about how MJ dealt with this too. I have entertained a thought for a while now that perhaps the surgery and tweeking that we have heard about over the years was to keep the ravages of this disease at bay as best he could. Appearance is important for an entertainer. And maybe the media was way wrong in their assumptions. Just some of my thoughts. Also, you can clearly see the butterfly rash of discoid lupus across MJ's nose and cheeks from around thriller era.
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Oh, and one more thing. Even vitilligo couldn't make Michael look bad. He made goth look good before it was fashionable. So cool.
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Dont hate me for this... but i dont believe Prince and Paris are biologically Michaels children.
And the reason i think MJ made that decision is because he didnt want to pass his health problems on.
oh wow I didn't know that. MJ worried about the sweetest things lol... allergies run in my family, but it was largely due to diet. My kids are teens now and they are not allergic to anything (unlike me lol) and their father had a different type of allergies than me yet the babies were born perfect LOL
:lol: :lol: i better chill, I'm doing alot of baby talk today... :oops:
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Dont hate me for this... but i dont believe Prince and Paris are biologically Michaels children.
And the reason i think MJ made that decision is because he didnt want to pass his health problems on.
I understand where you are coming from but idk what it is but when I look at blanket his eyes are just...wow....to me blanket looks like michael..Prince and Paris I would have to compare more because I have never been sure about them...just my opinion :)
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For all you skeptics, watch the scene in the Martin Bashire interview with Jackson in a Las Vegas hotel, talking about his first sexual experiences and Tatum Oneal. He puts his pink hand up to his white face but his fingernails are still brown! That is because you can’t get bleaching cream under your fingernails, you can see this in many other pictures on line too.
I think the whole Vitiligo explanation was devised by Jackson’s publicists and he is trapped in this tragic lie.
Wow! I cant believe anyone would still question this...first, I want to say that African Americans do not have brown nails. MJ's nails themselves have the brown pigment within them and this can only be caused by something he is ingesting that is being deposited in his nail root and growing out with his nail. There are many types of medications that do this, some that treat Lupus...which MJ has. I am including a picture of MJ, white with white nails, and MJ white with brown nails, so you can see this is something that happened after he became totally white. I am also including a picture of an African Americans nails to show you that they are not brown. African Americans, in my opinion, have the most lovely nails and nail beds. I have noticed that many African Americans (like MJ) have long nail beds and very white half moons and beds. This contrast with the brown of their skin, is so lovely. MJ's nails are brown from discoloration.
As for the vitiligo and the reason why he had brown eye skin in those videos...because usually those are the last parts to become discolored...as you can see from this picture.
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I just love Michael anyway he comes. But I have wondered about the discoid lupus he suffered with and how he dealt with it's effects on his skin. I see the effect it has had in the singer Seal's face and it made me think about how MJ dealt with this too. I have entertained a thought for a while now that perhaps the surgery and tweeking that we have heard about over the years was to keep the ravages of this disease at bay as best he could. Appearance is important for an entertainer. And maybe the media was way wrong in their assumptions. Just some of my thoughts. Also, you can clearly see the butterfly rash of discoid lupus across MJ's nose and cheeks from around thriller era.
because most likely it wasn't discoid but systemic Lupus...Systemic Lupus cuses butterfly rash as well and also affects the lungs (plurisy that MJ said he had in Moon walker for those who do not want to believe the autopsy report) and the joints as well, authritis to be exact. (again, you can see pictures of his pinky finger to see the artritic joint for those who don't want to believe the autopsy report) and can later cause vitaligo as well.
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I just love Michael anyway he comes. But I have wondered about the discoid lupus he suffered with and how he dealt with it's effects on his skin. I see the effect it has had in the singer Seal's face and it made me think about how MJ dealt with this too. I have entertained a thought for a while now that perhaps the surgery and tweeking that we have heard about over the years was to keep the ravages of this disease at bay as best he could. Appearance is important for an entertainer. And maybe the media was way wrong in their assumptions. Just some of my thoughts. Also, you can clearly see the butterfly rash of discoid lupus across MJ's nose and cheeks from around thriller era.
because most likely it wasn't discard but systemic Lupus...Systemic Lupus causes butterfly rash as well and also affects the lungs (pleurisy that MJ said he had in Moon walker for those who do not want to believe the autopsy report) and the joints as well, arthritis to be exact. (again, you can see pictures of his pinkie finger to see the arthritic joint for those who don't want to believe the autopsy report) and can later cause vitiligo as well. Not one of his personal Doctors has come forward and said it was Discoid...only stating it is Lupus. Discoid Lupus can also turn into Systemic in some cases.
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For all you skeptics, watch the scene in the Martin Bashire interview with Jackson in a Las Vegas hotel, talking about his first sexual experiences and Tatum Oneal. He puts his pink hand up to his white face but his fingernails are still brown! That is because you can’t get bleaching cream under your fingernails, you can see this in many other pictures on line too.
I think the whole Vitiligo explanation was devised by Jackson’s publicists and he is trapped in this tragic lie.
Wow! I cant believe anyone would still question this...first, I want to say that African Americans do not have brown nails. MJ's nails themselves have the brown pigment within them and this can only be caused by something he is ingesting that is being deposited in his nail root and growing out with his nail. There are many types of medications that do this, some that treat Lupus...which MJ has. I am including a picture of MJ, white with white nails, and MJ white with brown nails, so you can see this is something that happened after he became totally white. I am also including a picture of an African Americans nails to show you that they are not brown. African Americans, in my opinion, have the most lovely nails and nail beds. I have noticed that many African Americans (like MJ) have long nail beds and very white half moons and beds. This contrast with the brown of their skin, is so lovely. MJ's nails are brown from discoloration.
As for the vitiligo and the reason why he had brown eye skin in those videos...because usually those are the last parts to become discolored...as you can see from this picture.
where are you getting your facts from? black people don't have brown nails? I know plenty of black people with brown nails even close to purple nails... (why wasn't the brown nails on the autopsy?) MJ's nails been brown from childhood, i noticed it in a pic he was giving the peace sign he looks about 12. you are being quite critical
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For all you skeptics, watch the scene in the Martin Bashire interview with Jackson in a Las Vegas hotel, talking about his first sexual experiences and Tatum Oneal. He puts his pink hand up to his white face but his fingernails are still brown! That is because you can’t get bleaching cream under your fingernails, you can see this in many other pictures on line too.
I think the whole Vitiligo explanation was devised by Jackson’s publicists and he is trapped in this tragic lie.
Wow! I cant believe anyone would still question this...first, I want to say that African Americans do not have brown nails. MJ's nails themselves have the brown pigment within them and this can only be caused by something he is ingesting that is being deposited in his nail root and growing out with his nail. There are many types of medications that do this, some that treat Lupus...which MJ has. I am including a picture of MJ, white with white nails, and MJ white with brown nails, so you can see this is something that happened after he became totally white. I am also including a picture of an African Americans nails to show you that they are not brown. African Americans, in my opinion, have the most lovely nails and nail beds. I have noticed that many African Americans (like MJ) have long nail beds and very white half moons and beds. This contrast with the brown of their skin, is so lovely. MJ's nails are brown from discoloration.
As for the vitiligo and the reason why he had brown eye skin in those videos...because usually those are the last parts to become discolored...as you can see from this picture.
where are you getting your facts from? black people don't have brown nails? I know plenty of black people with brown nails even close to purple nails... (why wasn't the brown nails on the autopsy?) MJ's nails been brown from childhood, i noticed it in a pic he was giving the peace sign he looks about 12. you are being quite critical
post them. If you have African American friends and the nail itself (not the skin under the nail) is brown...I would love to see it...then I would ask them if they smoke or have a disorder or take medicatation that colors the nail, because the nail plate itself has no color, unless some sort of medication or disease is causing it because there are no pigment cells.
Nail Root
The root of the fingernail is also known as the germinal matrix. This portion of the nail is actually beneath the skin behind the fingernail and extends several millimeters into the finger. The fingernail root produces most of the volume of the nail and the nail bed. This portion of the nail does not have any melanocytes, or melanin producing cells. The edge of the germinal matrix is seen as a white, crescent shaped structure called the lunula.
Nail Plate
The nail plate is the actual fingernail, made of translucent keratin. The pink appearance of the nail comes from the blood vessels underneath the nail. The underneath surface of the nail plate has grooves along the length of the nail that help anchor it to the nail bed.
Dr. Jennifer Shu says this about yellowish brown nails: A yellowish, brownish coloring of the nails may also be caused by diabetes, lung problems, arthritis, lupus, certain medications, lymphatic system disorders and liver disease. Not having enough vitamin B-12 can cause nails to turn dark, thin and possibly spoon shaped. Your doctor may want to perform some tests to check for nutrition problems or an illness.
we know MJ had ... Lung problems, arthritis, lupus, and took many medications.
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What the hell does it matter???
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For all you skeptics, watch the scene in the Martin Bashire interview with Jackson in a Las Vegas hotel, talking about his first sexual experiences and Tatum Oneal. He puts his pink hand up to his white face but his fingernails are still brown! That is because you can’t get bleaching cream under your fingernails, you can see this in many other pictures on line too.
I think the whole Vitiligo explanation was devised by Jackson’s publicists and he is trapped in this tragic lie.
Wow! I cant believe anyone would still question this...first, I want to say that African Americans do not have brown nails. MJ's nails themselves have the brown pigment within them and this can only be caused by something he is ingesting that is being deposited in his nail root and growing out with his nail. There are many types of medications that do this, some that treat Lupus...which MJ has. I am including a picture of MJ, white with white nails, and MJ white with brown nails, so you can see this is something that happened after he became totally white. I am also including a picture of an African Americans nails to show you that they are not brown. African Americans, in my opinion, have the most lovely nails and nail beds. I have noticed that many African Americans (like MJ) have long nail beds and very white half moons and beds. This contrast with the brown of their skin, is so lovely. MJ's nails are brown from discoloration.
As for the vitiligo and the reason why he had brown eye skin in those videos...because usually those are the last parts to become discolored...as you can see from this picture.
where are you getting your facts from? black people don't have brown nails? I know plenty of black people with brown nails even close to purple nails... (why wasn't the brown nails on the autopsy?) MJ's nails been brown from childhood, i noticed it in a pic he was giving the peace sign he looks about 12. you are being quite critical
post them. If you have African American friends and the nail itself (not the skin under the nail) is brown...I would love to see it...then I would ask them if they smoke or have a disorder or take medicatation that colors the nail, because the nail plate itself has no color, unless some sort of medication or disease is causing it because there are no pigment cells.
Nail Root
The root of the fingernail is also known as the germinal matrix. This portion of the nail is actually beneath the skin behind the fingernail and extends several millimeters into the finger. The fingernail root produces most of the volume of the nail and the nail bed. This portion of the nail does not have any melanocytes, or melanin producing cells. The edge of the germinal matrix is seen as a white, crescent shaped structure called the lunula.
Nail Plate
The nail plate is the actual fingernail, made of translucent keratin. The pink appearance of the nail comes from the blood vessels underneath the nail. The underneath surface of the nail plate has grooves along the length of the nail that help anchor it to the nail bed.
Dr. Jennifer Shu says this about yellowish brown nails: A yellowish, brownish coloring of the nails may also be caused by diabetes, lung problems, arthritis, lupus, certain medications, lymphatic system disorders and liver disease. Not having enough vitamin B-12 can cause nails to turn dark, thin and possibly spoon shaped. Your doctor may want to perform some tests to check for nutrition problems or an illness.
we know MJ had ... Lung problems, arthritis, lupus, and took many medications.
I'm not taking a picture of anybody's hands for you. did i say anything about yellow? it is not dire for me to prove this fact to you cause you think you know everything. and i had a fingernail that stayed bluish purple from childhood till i was about 25. from a childhood injury. add that to your list. perfectly healthy people can have nails with dark pigmentation
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Horrible photo, i will apologise.. but only one i have of MJs legs which show the vitiligo along with a horrible injury. :D
Happy to help. Ive asked on a different thread if anyone has any photos of MJs nail discolouration.. so if any guys can help me please go to my thread. :D here: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2937 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2937)
If i find any more vitiligo posts i will post again.. 8-)
This may be out of topic, but i keep looking, mostly, at his left foot (not the injured one...)! Except for the vitiligo, his ankles and feet are REALLY swollen (especially the left foot)! Could that be a result of a possible heart decease or arthritis??? Or maybe the result of a sprain?
Not enough water. Can be any number of reasons, but I bet he was dehydrated.
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I found a couple good pics of MJ's leg showing the vitaligo as well as the healed (or semi healed) spider bite.
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I was very sad to see this.... I had Neurodermitis several years and i don't want that anyone saw it....i covered it so good i could....today all is oK, but i saw the area where the skin was open...it's darker pigmented.
I saw the pics from the spiderbit and thought that there must be forever a scar or something.
So i surch the autopsie report and found that on that leg was a ...i can't read all...a hyperpigmentation area...
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... son19.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson19.html)
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Holy crap.. sorry but how big was that spider and what was it doing anywhere near Michael?! :shock:
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While searching for thoughts on this theme some noticed MJ sometimes had discoloration and sometimes not, indicating medication use or not. Some suggested aging might bring more discoloration but you can see here Katherine and Joe's nails are light. There may be a normal range of color for nails that may still be perfectly healthy, and we shouldn't just jump to conclusions that he was so unhealthy. ALWAYS he's gorgeous younger/older.
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Holy crap.. sorry but how big was that spider and what was it doing anywhere near Michael?! :shock:
it was a brown recluse spider and this is what it does...her is another picture of a bite victim.
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Those spider bite pics are making me want to spew..
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Yes, it looks like when my mother was bit by a spider years ago. She went to the doctor several times for medication and the area around the bite kept getting larger. They finally got it under control but it was difficult. They also thought she was bit by a brown recluse.
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Those spider bite pics are making me want to spew..
:mrgreen: sorry...LOL...thats the color of your face right now...LOL....they are gross. Poor MJ. :mrgreen:
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For all you skeptics, watch the scene in the Martin Bashire interview with Jackson in a Las Vegas hotel, talking about his first sexual experiences and Tatum Oneal. He puts his pink hand up to his white face but his fingernails are still brown! That is because you can’t get bleaching cream under your fingernails, you can see this in many other pictures on line too.
I think the whole Vitiligo explanation was devised by Jackson’s publicists and he is trapped in this tragic lie.
Wow! I cant believe anyone would still question this...first, I want to say that African Americans do not have brown nails. MJ's nails themselves have the brown pigment within them and this can only be caused by something he is ingesting that is being deposited in his nail root and growing out with his nail. There are many types of medications that do this, some that treat Lupus...which MJ has. I am including a picture of MJ, white with white nails, and MJ white with brown nails, so you can see this is something that happened after he became totally white. I am also including a picture of an African Americans nails to show you that they are not brown. African Americans, in my opinion, have the most lovely nails and nail beds. I have noticed that many African Americans (like MJ) have long nail beds and very white half moons and beds. This contrast with the brown of their skin, is so lovely. MJ's nails are brown from discoloration.
As for the vitiligo and the reason why he had brown eye skin in those videos...because usually those are the last parts to become discolored...as you can see from this picture.
Mykidsmum,
Thanks for your post and setting the record straight.
However, I was shocked to notice on closer examination the shape and size of MJ's nailbeds. When comparing them in particular to other pics of MJ they don't match. On here (your posted pic) they are shorter/wider. I have seen multiple other pics where he has longer more rectangular nailbeds plus his nails have always been cut short. I find this odd....could that pic be of a double? One's nailbeds do not change shape over a lifetime unless traumatized and in this case every finger would have had to have incurred significant trauma. What do you think?????
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For all you skeptics, watch the scene in the Martin Bashire interview with Jackson in a Las Vegas hotel, talking about his first sexual experiences and Tatum Oneal. He puts his pink hand up to his white face but his fingernails are still brown! That is because you can’t get bleaching cream under your fingernails, you can see this in many other pictures on line too.
I think the whole Vitiligo explanation was devised by Jackson’s publicists and he is trapped in this tragic lie.
Wow! I cant believe anyone would still question this...first, I want to say that African Americans do not have brown nails. MJ's nails themselves have the brown pigment within them and this can only be caused by something he is ingesting that is being deposited in his nail root and growing out with his nail. There are many types of medications that do this, some that treat Lupus...which MJ has. I am including a picture of MJ, white with white nails, and MJ white with brown nails, so you can see this is something that happened after he became totally white. I am also including a picture of an African Americans nails to show you that they are not brown. African Americans, in my opinion, have the most lovely nails and nail beds. I have noticed that many African Americans (like MJ) have long nail beds and very white half moons and beds. This contrast with the brown of their skin, is so lovely. MJ's nails are brown from discoloration.
As for the vitiligo and the reason why he had brown eye skin in those videos...because usually those are the last parts to become discolored...as you can see from this picture.
Mykidsmum,
Thanks for your post and setting the record straight.
However, I was shocked to notice on closer examination the shape and size of MJ's nailbeds. When comparing them in particular to other pics of MJ they don't match. On here (your posted pic) they are shorter/wider. I have seen multiple other pics where he has longer more rectangular nailbeds plus his nails have always been cut short. I find this odd....could that pic be of a double? One's nailbeds do not change shape over a lifetime unless traumatized and in this case every finger would have had to have incurred significant trauma. What do you think?????
as you age, your nails tend to dry out and don't hold a curve as well as in the younger days. When I don't wear polish on my nails, they flatten out, become wider, because my hands are always in water and drying out...(ok, age too) when I wear polish (mostly clear) it holds moisture in the nail and my nails stay rounded, curved, and look less wide and more narrower. I need to use polish because the curve it keeps in my nail makes the nail stronger, if they flatten out, they tend to be flimsy and break easily. His nail bed itself could look shorter because he wasn't taking care of his nails and was letting the cuticle grow up. If you notice, in his younger years, he never had long nails or ragged cuticles like he did in later life... I don't buy the doubles theory.
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Larry Kings interview with a Newsreader turning white due to vitiligo.
[youtube:2hg4dnah]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZGA9gEysHc&feature=related[/youtube:2hg4dnah]
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Omg thats horrible. poor poor Michael... again.. WHY was that thing near Mike?!
Where are them spider like.. based :lol: Just America?? :?
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they have them in California and I have heard 2 stories about how it happend...anyone feel free to add. I heard that he brushed up against some brush near his house and got bit that way that his house was being fumigated and it was one that was being pushed out...and another story was that he was sleeping and one got in his bed and in his pajama leg...
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I don't think it was a spider bite. Wasn't it the one where he had the IV leak into his leg?
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I don't think it was a spider bite. Wasn't it the one where he had the IV leak into his leg?
that story was told by that white haired dude, the same guy he called at 3 in the morning being afraid someone was out to get him...(deiter I think) this guy was pushed out of MJ's circle and I'm sure he said that to get revenge. He said an IV needle broke off in MJ's leg when he tried to remove the IV...first...IV's no longer use a needle that stay in the skin. A hollow needle is used to insert a catheter (it lies inside the hollow needle) and once it's inplace the needle is removed leaving the rubbery like catheter in place. Even if it did break, how in the world would it do something like that? I think the guy mentioned MJ was doing heroin, but don't quote me on that. Second and most important, these photo's were taken by a Doctor and admitted to court and the Doctor actually corroborated MJ's story.
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I don't think it was a spider bite. Wasn't it the one where he had the IV leak into his leg?
that story was told by that white haired dude, the same guy he called at 3 in the morning being afraid someone was out to get him...(deiter I think) this guy was pushed out of MJ's circle and I'm sure he said that to get revenge. He said an IV needle broke off in MJ's leg when he tried to remove the IV...first...IV's no longer use a needle that stay in the skin. A hollow needle is used to insert a catheter (it lies inside the hollow needle) and once it's inplace the needle is removed leaving the rubbery like catheter in place. Even if it did break, how in the world would it do something like that? I think the guy mentioned MJ was doing heroin, but don't quote me on that. Second and most important, these photo's were taken by a Doctor and admitted to court and the Doctor actually corroborated MJ's story.
And the effects of the bite also look very much like in the other photo you posted.