Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Theories => The Illuminati Theory => Topic started by: *Mo* on January 02, 2010, 10:00:43 PM
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This blog is somewhat controversial and shocking and although you might not go with our theory stated in this blog, it is eye opening and will probably make you as mad and sad as we are.
We were contacted by someone who asked us if we wanted to end up like Evan Chandler for publishing a blog about Mike/Mind Control & Illuminati, but since this is just a theory and the net is all over with articles about this topic, we will post it. There are a lot of people trying to keep us hoaxers from the truth by scaring them and telling half truths, but we have thought this out and unfortunately this fits. The twin-theory might have been off, but if this theory turns out to be true, it wasn’t even that far fetched.
Read more:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php)
Greetz,
Mo & Souza
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I am surprised at your honesty, I knew already and I dared not post things that I know.
Yes Michael was a Monarch slave for the illuminati and since ° They do not care about us °
he tried to break free of his demons.
I hope he reaches his goal. Thank you for showing the hidden face.
If there are things to add, can post here? in NWO? not at all?
It will trigger the tears all that, but he had to say .. Thanks Mo & Souza
L.O.V.E
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I am surprised at your honesty, I knew already and I dared not post things that I know.
Yes Michael was a Monarch slave for the illuminati and then ° They do not care about us °
he tried to break free of his demons.
I hope he reaches his goal. Thank you for showing the hidden face.
If there are things to add, can post here? in NWO? not at all?
It will trigger the tears all that, but he had to say .. Thanks MB & Souza
L.O.V.E
Fear is not in our dictionary, this must be discussed. You can post anything you want, we would be glad if more will do so.
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wow :shock:
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very interesting...very
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it is eye opening and will probably make you as mad and sad as we are.
I'm going to have to wait until tomorrow to read this then. I don't want to cry before bed. Actually, I already upset just by reading this because of the anticipation. :? I'll be braver tomorrow... and less sleepy. :oops:
To be honest, I'm scared. I don't want heartache. The Illuminati is a heavy topic for me. It's really painful. But I'm excited at the same time. I'm a mess.
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Maybe this is hoax is sort of
the "Redemption of Michael".
A very interesting theory indeed.
You guys did a great job..Souza & Mo :)
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it is eye opening and will probably make you as mad and sad as we are.
I'm going to have to wait until tomorrow to read this then. I don't want to cry before bed. Actually, I already upset just by reading this because of the anticipation. :? I'll be braver tomorrow... and less sleepy. :oops:
To be honest, I'm scared. I don't want heartache. The Illuminati is a heavy topic for me. It's really painful. But I'm excited at the same time. I'm a mess.
Do not be sad Michael is a man like us all, and the music is Satan's trap and the illuminati.
Satan is the prince of the music and it appeals to people.
It is normal that the greatest singer and dancer of all time has fallen into the trap
without seeing or without meaning to.
But we must love it anyway, because he try to leave the Circle.
It was because of his refusal to illuminati he suffered then.
After THEY DONT CARE ABOUT US, it has been rejected and destroyed!
He really challenged the illuminati, he pays the price.
But are not we all owned by the illuminati?
The answer is YES we are.
L.O.V.E
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The illuminati has failed to control Michael yeah they had him for a bit but he knew it was wrong like i said in my previous thread he is sick and tired of them and when he comes back he is going to expose everything they did to him, Souza i want to ask you if you think they infected him with vitiligo to warn him and he just brushed it off and continued to fight them
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This has been put together very well. I think that what Michael had to endure and break free from was far more powerful and dark than most could comprehend. I expect far darker than this shows. Michael had the strength to voice what he felt in his lyrics and in his videos, which shows astonishing courage and bravery. I believe whole-heartedly that he now has full control of what he is doing and I think that from the second trial in 2005 he showed an unbreakable strength and inner fight. When he leaves the courtroom dressed all in white along with his family, I feel a strong sense of empowerment from him. I feel he has been completely free since then and 'this is it' was started then, in his determination to free us all from their clutches. Michael understands the true nature of truth, love and freedom for all. I believe that he knew then what lengths he would have to go to open this explosive can of worms. Thank you Michael, you are truly one of a kind.
I am pleased to see this discussed, it needs to be seen. Thank you!
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The illuminati has failed to control Michael yeah they had him for a bit but he knew it was wrong like i said in my previous thread he is sick and tired of them and when he comes back he is going to expose everything they did to him, Souza i want to ask you if you think they infected him with vitiligo to warn him and he just brushed it off and continued to fight them
I think the vitiligo is a result of the drugs they gave him, but I am sure he didn't "brush it off". He is a black man and they made him a white man, even a white female. How do you think that would be like? Imagine yourself (I don't know where you are from, but let's say you are European) turning into a black person. I am not saying it's a bad thing to be black, don't misunderstand me, but your whole identity would be gone. Who are you? Who do you relate to? You would look different from your family, your siblings. Imagine that, that is not something you can 'brush off', that is something you would struggle with for the rest of your life. He dealt with it, because he had to, there was no choice for him. But he did decide to fight, and for that I can only have the deepest respect.
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I've stated on many occasions that I believe in this theory. That is the reason I feel he was in danger for his life and had to get away. He wasn't being delusional when he confided to close associates that he was afraid he was going to be murdered. Michael has never been one to speak before he thinks. He was extremely brilliant. If he said it, I believe it.
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:shock: I have read all of that now. wow. A lot of info. this is a bit different from my theory. Interesting though. One thing that stood out is the alter ego thing and other personalities. Michael was always different off stage than while performing. Those are the only personalities I've seen. Sometimes he exhibited being a bit out of it, depressed, groggy; however, I have always attributed that to the meds he was taking. If he was indeed going to a number of different doctors and ingesting any number of different medications, that would cause anybody to appear out of it or lethargic at times. This thread is interesting, goes into a lot of specifics. Some of it seems plausible, but there are certain parts I'm just not feeling, possibly because I don't have a full understanding and will need to read further. It is however 2:00 a.m., lol. I will have to get back to this one later. It's a lot to digest.
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I think the vitiligo is a result of the drugs they gave him, but I am sure he didn't "brush it off". He is a black man and they made him a white man, even a white female. ...but your whole identity would be gone. Who are you? Who do you relate to? You would look different from your family, your siblings. Imagine that, that is not something you can 'brush off', that is something you would struggle with for the rest of your life.
I promised myself I would stay out of this discussion because the Illuminati/Mind Control stuff has nothing relevant to do with Michael, in my opinion.
However, since I AM black and know a thing or two about medical issues, let me just say that, first of all, nobody *gave* Michael vitiligo or caused him to have it. That suggestion is just pure science fiction and shows an enormous lack of medical knowledge.
Likewise, nobody made Michael a "white man." That suggestion is just fiction period and shows an enormous lack of medical knowledge, as well as a disturbing lack of knowledge of issues related to cultural and racial identity.
Third of all, having vitiligo did ***NOT*** make Michael's identity as a black man disappear or go away. Of course, he looked different and had to deal with that. But he ***NEVER EVER*** stopped being black, in his mind AND in reality. So what if he didn't look the same or like his family? He's not the only black person that has skin that light, with or without vitiligo.
LOTS of black people don't have the same skin tone as other members of their family. LOTS of people don't look like their relatives, no matter what color they are. Yet, somehow they still manage to carry on and get along just fine, especially when they come from a strong family, as Michael does.
Fourth of all, the "white female" comment is just ridiculous. I thought most members of this forum recognized that erroneous caricature for what it is, meaning nonsense, but now one of the owners is perpetrating it. Geesh! Michael struggled with many things his entire life, including the repercussions of uninformed comments like that.
People have the right to think whatever they want, but I felt it was necessary to add some opposing viewpoints here lest future readers of this thread believe that every member of this forum agrees or thinks its acceptable to characterize Michael this way. I do not.
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I think the vitiligo is a result of the drugs they gave him, but I am sure he didn't "brush it off". He is a black man and they made him a white man, even a white female. ...but your whole identity would be gone. Who are you? Who do you relate to? You would look different from your family, your siblings. Imagine that, that is not something you can 'brush off', that is something you would struggle with for the rest of your life.
I promised myself I would stay out of this discussion because the Illuminati/Mind Control stuff has nothing relevant to do with Michael, in my opinion.
However, since I AM black and know a thing or two about medical issues, let me just say that, first of all, nobody *gave* Michael vitiligo or caused him to have it. That suggestion is just pure science fiction and shows an enormous lack of medical knowledge.
Likewise, nobody made Michael a "white man." That suggestion is just fiction period and shows an enormous lack of medical knowledge, as well as a disturbing lack of knowledge of issues related to cultural and racial identity.
Third of all, having vitiligo did ***NOT*** make Michael's identity as a black man disappear or go away. Of course, he looked different and had to deal with that. But he ***NEVER EVER*** stopped being black, in his mind AND in reality. So what if he didn't look the same or like his family? He's not the only black person that has skin that light, with or without vitiligo.
LOTS of black people don't have the same skin tone as other members of their family. LOTS of people don't look like their relatives, no matter what color they are. Yet, somehow they still manage to carry on and get along just fine, especially when they come from a strong family, as Michael does.
Fourth of all, the "white female" comment is just ridiculous. I thought most members of this forum recognized that erroneous caricature for what it is, meaning nonsense, but now one of the owners is perpetrating it. Geesh! Michael struggled with many things his entire life, including the repercussions of uninformed comments like that.
People have the right to think whatever they want, but I felt it was necessary to add some opposing viewpoints here lest future readers of this thread believe that every member of this forum agrees or thinks its acceptable to characterize Michael this way. I do not.
First of all, the fact that you are black does not mean that you know how it feels to turn white, bit by bit and spot by spot.
Second of all, if you read our previous blog, you would know it IS possible to cause or trigger vitiligo with certain drugs.
Mo and I have defended Mike to the bone from the beginning. Although you all might not agree on everything, we never said hurtful things and we will never do that. Don't say we do, because we are not.
We NEVER said any of this to diss Mike, we want people to understand him. The female is an alter Ego, that does NOT say MIKE is a female or that he cut his balls off, it's a mental disorder. I know that might be hard to read, Mike and Mental disorder in one sentence, but what if it turns out to be true lorrie? What if he was glad that this is finally posted and you telling it is ridiculous and science fiction? Think about that. Anyone can have their opinion here, you don't have to agree, but be careful with the word ridiculous here Lorrie, because you could be very wrong...
Oh, and I never stated he is a white man on the inside too, you must have misunderstood something here...
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Lori,
I'm truly appalled by your reply. I'd suggest you do some research first, and think twice before you ridicule and call things 'uninformed comments' and 'science fiction'.
Please come back after you did your homework.
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You guys have done VERY well, I still need to read everything, but from what I've looked at, you could be right... and yeah, looks like some things were very misunderstood by one of the members.. I get what you were trying to say though. Good job!
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Do you know how I'm feeling now? As if somebody opened my head, replaced and completed something there in my brain and , suddenly, my eyes can see the reality in other way, can see all the details i had noticed before but separately now in a new light, and everything has a new sense.
Thank you , Souza and Mo, again and again.
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Thanks.. Great post as always... and you're right.. maybe this is not just a theory... :!:
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I promised myself I would stay out of this discussion because the Illuminati/Mind Control stuff has nothing relevant to do with Michael, in my opinion.
However, since I AM black and know a thing or two about medical issues, let me just say that, first of all, nobody *gave* Michael vitiligo or caused him to have it. That suggestion is just pure science fiction and shows an enormous lack of medical knowledge.
Likewise, nobody made Michael a "white man." That suggestion is just fiction period and shows an enormous lack of medical knowledge, as well as a disturbing lack of knowledge of issues related to cultural and racial identity.
Third of all, having vitiligo did ***NOT*** make Michael's identity as a black man disappear or go away. Of course, he looked different and had to deal with that. But he ***NEVER EVER*** stopped being black, in his mind AND in reality. So what if he didn't look the same or like his family? He's not the only black person that has skin that light, with or without vitiligo.
LOTS of black people don't have the same skin tone as other members of their family. LOTS of people don't look like their relatives, no matter what color they are. Yet, somehow they still manage to carry on and get along just fine, especially when they come from a strong family, as Michael does.
Fourth of all, the "white female" comment is just ridiculous. I thought most members of this forum recognized that erroneous caricature for what it is, meaning nonsense, but now one of the owners is perpetrating it. Geesh! Michael struggled with many things his entire life, including the repercussions of uninformed comments like that.
People have the right to think whatever they want, but I felt it was necessary to add some opposing viewpoints here lest future readers of this thread believe that every member of this forum agrees or thinks its acceptable to characterize Michael this way. I do not.
THANKS, LORRIE, for being brave and the voice of reason !
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Thanks for addressing the topic. Yes...indeed... it is controversial. Some people will open their minds to consider the possibility while others will shut down and completely ignore it. If you two recall, several months ago I posted a lengthy theory in the old MJkit entitled the "3 Faces of Michael" My theory addressed D.I.D. and I looked at three people inside of the mind of one person: Michael Jackson (regular guy), Little Mikey (stunted child) and King of Pop (ego maniac). Based on the PM's that I received, many people thought that I had lost my mind... :lol: . Your blog includes the possibility of a female alter. I had not considered that before but it does answer some questions that had been previously unanswered.
As noted before, I have been a MJ fan for 40+ years and have observed him over the course of that very long period. Growth, development and aging is one thing. Flip-flopping personality and behavioral extremes are something totally different. There is treatment for D.I.D, and it commonly referred to as "merging". In my heart of hearts, I would truly like to believe that is taking place with him as we speak.
On another note, I am currently digging around to uncover how MJ's absence from the American stage and his choice to only tour overseas since 1989 may tie in to the D.I.D. I'll post if/when I find my answers.
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Yes.This isnt really new news.the operation monarch child theory has been out since july,for me that is.I saw videos of it on youtube way before but im not surprised sooner or later you two showstoppers(compliment.not an insult or being sarcastic btw before it is taken wrongly) would say something about this.its a pretty disgusting and mind warping evil one actually if it turns out to be true.I am not going to be ignorant to this which is kind of hard for someone to do concerning something as extreme this.He did not turn into a "white man",he became a black man with white skin,its not really that complicated.he was always black.Yes he had a really nice skin tone before so would be extremely devasted as well if i had to turn pigmentless.I want to hear your explanation about the mental disorder for the white woman comment though.it was kind of shocking for me to read,like those kind of things make it appear that there was seriously something wrong with mr michael.i understand why people would be offended by it.
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He did not turn into a "white man",he became a black man with white skin,its not really that complicated.he was always black.Yes he had a really nice skin tone before so would be extremely devasted as well if i had to turn pigmentless.I want to hear your explanation about the mental disorder for the white woman comment though.it was kind of shocking for me to read,like those kind of things make it appear that there was seriously something wrong with mr michael.i understand why people would be offended by it.
Don't take it that literally, it was meant the way the media addressed it: Michael Jackson turned from a black man into a white woman. It has been said many times. Sow WE do not mean he is a white woman now, we are explaining the white (see previous post) and the female side (as alter ego). Again: we are not claiming Mike is a woman (I can't really believe how you come up with that) but the vitiligo and the alter egos are caused by things they have done to him.
You can say whatever you want, but I will never believe that if a black man slowly turns white (ON THE OUTSIDE), that he can just 'brush that off'. I did not turn black all of the sudden and I think most of people here did not experience that, so I think it is a bit easy to say that he could have just 'brushed it of'.
And I can understand it's shocking to hear, but we DO think there was something wrong with him. Having alter egos is not normal and can effect your life in a bad way. It's not his fault, it was a result of the abuse and the controlling. Also, we think he is better now, like GirlSaturday said the therapy is 'merging'. For what we have seen with Sybil, it means that the main person (Mike) needs to 'meet' his alter egos and accept them, so they won't take over anymore, but will keep your 'skills' for you to use. The main person normally does not know about the alters, while the alters do know about the existing of the others.
It's hard to explain and I hope I did well, since I am not a psychiatrist. You should watch Sybil.
Again and I hope for the last time: we are not here to diss Mike, please read the blog, we want people to understand.
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All I can say is "WHAT A LOAD OF CROCK OF SHIT" Is all this.
Some people are so gullible that they deserve to be brain washed for real, if it actualy existed.
I admire the endurance and and the patients of the crack pot that actualy wrote this bunch of nonsense.
But mostly I feel sorry for the people that say they don't believe in "MEDIA" but actualy are somewhat persuaded to believe this crap.
Sorry Mo no offence to you or Sousa and I'm sure you don't actualy belive this nonsense you girls are way more mature and much more intelligent than this.
I must say though this person has a very colourful imagination, he/she would make millions if they ever decide to write a fictional script, so congrats are in order for the imagination only.
Thank you for reading
Regards Connie
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All I can say is "WHAT A LOAD OF CROCK OF SHIT" Is all this.
Some people are so gullible that they deserve to be brain washed for real, if it actualy existed.
I admire the endurance and and the patients of the crack pot that actualy wrote this bunch of nonsense.
But mostly I feel sorry for the people that say they don't believe in "MEDIA" but actualy are somewhat persuaded to believe this crap.
Sorry Mo no offence to you or Sousa and I'm sure you don't actualy belive this nonsense you girls are way more mature and much more intelligent than this.
I must say though this person has a very colourful imagination, he/she would make millions if they ever decide to write a fictional script, so congrats are in order for the imagination only.
Thank you for reading
Regards Connie
Connie, WE wrote it, and thank you for your nice comment. I think you better wash your mouth with soap now.
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I discovered this a few days ago and I really think THIS IS IT, why Michael faked his death. I mean imagine being a mind control victim since a young age, this makes alot of sense and it adds up everything!
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I think the vitiligo is a result of the drugs they gave him, but I am sure he didn't "brush it off". He is a black man and they made him a white man, even a white female. ...but your whole identity would be gone. Who are you? Who do you relate to? You would look different from your family, your siblings. Imagine that, that is not something you can 'brush off', that is something you would struggle with for the rest of your life.
I promised myself I would stay out of this discussion because the Illuminati/Mind Control stuff has nothing relevant to do with Michael, in my opinion.
However, since I AM black and know a thing or two about medical issues, let me just say that, first of all, nobody *gave* Michael vitiligo or caused him to have it. That suggestion is just pure science fiction and shows an enormous lack of medical knowledge.
Likewise, nobody made Michael a "white man." That suggestion is just fiction period and shows an enormous lack of medical knowledge, as well as a disturbing lack of knowledge of issues related to cultural and racial identity.
Third of all, having vitiligo did ***NOT*** make Michael's identity as a black man disappear or go away. Of course, he looked different and had to deal with that. But he ***NEVER EVER*** stopped being black, in his mind AND in reality. So what if he didn't look the same or like his family? He's not the only black person that has skin that light, with or without vitiligo.
LOTS of black people don't have the same skin tone as other members of their family. LOTS of people don't look like their relatives, no matter what color they are. Yet, somehow they still manage to carry on and get along just fine, especially when they come from a strong family, as Michael does.
Fourth of all, the "white female" comment is just ridiculous. I thought most members of this forum recognized that erroneous caricature for what it is, meaning nonsense, but now one of the owners is perpetrating it. Geesh! Michael struggled with many things his entire life, including the repercussions of uninformed comments like that.
People have the right to think whatever they want, but I felt it was necessary to add some opposing viewpoints here lest future readers of this thread believe that every member of this forum agrees or thinks its acceptable to characterize Michael this way. I do not.
I completely agree with you Lorrie. Without any medical background, just being a patient of a very good GP, I wonder how it is possible that people even consider to take this 'vitiligo being given to Michael' theory serious.
Nice to know not everyone takes everything for granted just because it's well written...
Some persistent urban legends emerged this way.
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Mo and Souza, thanks for the post. I find it courageous that you put in print a very contraversial subject. Kudos to you both. I have been avoiding videos and information on the internet reguarding this subject, however when I saw your post last night I knew it was time to delve into it. It is hard to face things we truly don't want to address, the biggest reason being... it upsets our little world.
Reguarding the skin lightening that Michael went thru over a period of years. I saw an interview on the net of Cher, the singer. ( I cannot remember for the life of me where!) She was talking about when she had her on show years ago how she became friends with Michael and had him perform many times on her variety show. She said they were at a party celebrating one night when an associate of Michael's made the statement to her that she would be shocked at how he would change in the next few years and become "white." This shows it was planned. If the people who are involved in the illuminati are sloppy enough to brag about their exploits, it shows that it can unravel.
I did watch an illuminati video the other day someone had posted on the site that said that Michael's departure was planned by them. His memorial service was held on the day that the Pope announced he wanted a global governmet established to regulate the world financial system. This person that made the video believed that the Memorial was held on that day to distract the world from paying any attention to this news, as it truly refers to the New World Order. The memorial was broadcast around the world, all of our attention was focused on it and were greiving.
In the light of this, I think it is imperative that the Hoax be exposed! When the truth is revealed it would be extremely difficult for any more harm to be done!
All of this information is hard to digest but cannot be ignored. I myself want to take some time to do more research and truly weigh the possibilities.
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Reguarding the skin lightening that Michael went thru over a period of years. I saw an interview on the net of Cher, the singer. ( I cannot remember for the life of me where!) She was talking about when she had her on show years ago how she became friends with Michael and had him perform many times on her variety show. She said they were at a party celebrating one night when an associate of Michael's made the statement to her that she would be shocked at how he would change in the next few years and become "white." This shows it was planned. If the people who are involved in the illuminati are sloppy enough to brag about their exploits, it shows that it can unravel.
This shows how sick the Illuminati is, they had Michael in their power and tried everything to destroy him when he would turn his back against them, this is so sick but so true. The reality we think we live in is not reality at all our history and present is messed up and a big lie, now the future is another thing are we going to WAKE UP together with Michael and fight or do we want to let the future be the same as the past and present, it's up to US!
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Thank you Souza & Mo for opening additional horizons again.
I am not done with reflections on the topic. However I am missing some points.
Logical consequences of what was pointed out in the blog:
The alternatives are still open for a final curtain scene: murder, attempted murder, survived murder attack, suicide, attempted suicide, going underground (saving life due to potential attack), going underground (saving life due to healing requirement - regaining health prior to regaining fame).
Would we then consider possible that Michael was murdered? (remembering the Russian accusations in the web on C I A involvement shortly after 6/25 )
Or that he maybe survived an attempt, but might be severly injured and now recovering as good as possible (didn't that happen twice before?). That he's in kind of rehabilitation at a hidden place?
Or was he hounded down into a suicide (attempt) and maybe is recovering now?
Or did he manage to go underground avoiding a realization of a murder attempt?
Or did he manage to go underground (with Joe's help maybe) in order to finally heal in a recovering program?
Where do we sort then in the various internet appearances of friends, close sources, Michael himself - calmly speaking about "it's all for love" and "I'm alive" and "this is dark times - will you be here when sun is coming up again°?
Natural and human aspects (outside of any MC thought):
I am not speaking about multi-persona issues. We are each and everybody comprehending multi-persona inside of our personality. That results in the multitude of our life aspects, feelings, actions and reactions. This is not sick, any disorder or due to some unhealthy influence. We ARE masculin and feminin, we are young and old, we are right and left and up and down. Each of us.
However, sensitive persons are more prone to external influences in the meaning that they sense them when others do not get anything about it. That's e.g when the inner ear of Michael gets hurt from the earpieces that "have to be worn" on order (of AEG?) and that knock down the musical sensitivity and absolute auditory of notes. Everybody who has worked with excellent artists on stage knows about their extreme sensitivity without which they could not perform like they perform. The absolute auditory e.g. is a very rare and special talent.
Sensitivity also makes more aware of things that surround you and you sense their impact deeper than others. This may lead to more caution and shyness. What we learned about Michael so far about his life makes clear the absolute necessity of having to "function" in different jobs differently. There is nothing strange to me about this. And if you mention the potential of different alter egos - well we take carnival to jump into another role because life doesn't provide us other occasions, to be honest. And don't we love to be someone else once in a while? And wouldn't we love to be more often somebody else and jump out of our shoes?
Michael had the opportunity to live different egos. When he showed this in public, immediately somebody would jump on him and try to destroy this. I call this envy and for a good reason the colour yellow was used at memorial and funeral so many times.
I always understood that the "role" or "job" of the king of pop was being celebrated as past.
That the gold was being buried. There is a deeper meaning behind this. And I don't really care about the little boy, the lady or the stage ego. Because all of that is inside of each of us. And if we are honest, our little childs have suffered too from growing up and were somewhat killed on the way by judgement of others. Michael was an exemple in public of what happened to all of us silently.
Who is governing?
IMHO there is no reason to believe that human beings will ever be able to govern planet earth or mankind. We are just too stupid. Too greedy, too much concerned about ourselves and there will never be a democratic equal powersharing amongst those who may want to govern mankind and the planet. So all experience shows that yes there are powerful individuals and organizations that are lying to us, that are trying to cheat us, that are trying to fill their pockets with our work & money. But do you really think that there will ever be an agreement who will be president of those? No. Never. Because those are too egomaniac and too greedy and there will never be a consentus on who should have the lead. They will kill each other on this disagreement. So there cannot be any "global organization" or "global world order" because Russia will want their "heat cost reduction", OPEC will want their "indemnisation for diminished oil sales", US will want their "our consumption cannot be shortened" interests - look at the desaster at Copenhagen and you'll see that national and even regional interests will always contradict any global project. Everybody wants his own feet warm.
I am not and will never be signing any "they are there so fear them".
There is a power greater than any individual, money accumulation or "mind control attempt".
If anything is bigger than stupidity, it is self-education. If anything is free, it is human spirit. If anything is bigger than fear, it is love.
Everybody is free to decide everyday whether the day will be a good one or a shitty one.
It is the perception of the things that make our lives. Spiders see gras red. We see it green. And sometimes we just see the clover in it and that we have a Saturday with aching back ahead to get rid of it - and all of a sudden the green gras has lost its positive colour to us.
I encourage everybody to learn as much as each of us can - for our mind, for our spirit, for our love. These three will help to overcome any human destruction attempt.
Some personal thoughts
My daughter is showing first signs of vitiligo. We are not in the US, we are not black, we are not under whatever external malicious influence.
We do like green trees, woods, lawns, flowers and butterflies and have not been victim to any external malicious influence.
There are global and eternal symbols that are used in many cultures, many eras. They are of universal character such as music.
Now you may say that the bad forces will first attack good aspects of life such as music, art and culture to redefine human values.
But it is still everybody's right and duty to switch off the radio and TV and not listen, watch and believe what is being published. It is still everybody'S right and duty to think and feel.
That's our freedom.
And that's why I will never agree to anybody controlling my life as long as I have a breath to take and a finger to switch the thingie off that is jumping on my nerves.
Thank you again for raising the topic, Souza & Mo.
I do think that Michael is healing well with all the love he's receiving that he never expected.
There may be a big relief that with the truth prevailed the backpack of saving the world on his shoulders is being distributed right now on many many shoulders.
I hope he's healing thoroughly now and forever.
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If this really has happened to him, it's terrible, but i wouldn't be surprised also..
the world is out of control and a lot of people do anything for money.. kill, lie, manipulate, destroy etc.
and yes it does make me very sad to think of, that maybe this is what happend to him...
but before i'm going complitely crazy again and be so shocked, like i was after the twin theory, i'll see this as a possibility and hope that we'll hear the truth someday from Michael himself!
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Reguarding the skin lightening that Michael went thru over a period of years. I saw an interview on the net of Cher, the singer. ( I cannot remember for the life of me where!) She was talking about when she had her on show years ago how she became friends with Michael and had him perform many times on her variety show. She said they were at a party celebrating one night when an associate of Michael's made the statement to her that she would be shocked at how he would change in the next few years and become "white." This shows it was planned. If the people who are involved in the illuminati are sloppy enough to brag about their exploits, it shows that it can unravel.
In my 'humble' opinion the statement of MJ's associate only shows he probably knew about the vitiligo and was maybe familiar with that skin condition maybe due to personal experience with it or whatever...
Maybe Michael instructed him to tell Cher about the vitligo, because after all, he was performing many times on her show and, maybe, knowing of his skin condition she wouldn't be startled too much....
Let's not forget that Michael hadn't performed in years. When he reappeared he was a changed man and not only skinwise.
Let's also not forget that Michael himself drew a lot of attention to himself 'just to see how people would react to some rumours he spread (fi. hyper chamber..).
Around Christmas time, on 22/12/2009 to be exact, there was a whole tribute to Michael on BBC2. During that tribute the BBC showed many interviews with his friends, co-workers, associates, family and so on.... It was a very candid tribute because for the first time ever, I felt like people (who really knew him) were actually telling what they really experienced, how it really felt to be around him. They diclosed different facets of him (one friend actually said Michael was afraid that if his fans would really get to know him, they would find him boring because he also liked just to sit home, doing nothing). Another person said that at a given moment he said he would cancel or postpone a concert (forgot wich one, but I'm sure if you look at the BBC site, you would be able to retrieve the whole tribute) and then relaunch it.
In short he never, ever struck me as if he were somebody being controlled by someone else..... there is of course always a choice : either you let people control you or you don't let people control you. In the end the choice is always yours.....
I categorically refuse to see him as a mindless, soulless puppet without any (self)responsibility. He was/is a simple mortal with a genius mind, who sometimes made poor choises for reasons only known to him (as the majority of us sometimes also do.. ;) )
I refuse to believe that Michael was/is a victim of the Illuminati, of mind control, of the NWO. If ever he was/is a victim, he was/is his own victim. He wasn't/isn't the first and most certainly wont be the last...
And, as a final note to this long (and maybe boring to some.. :lol: ) post, I'd like to say, as I stated in another thread, that I find it a bit sad that someone like Michael has to come along for us to (re)discover basic values....
Having said this and probably bored some of you to death, I wish each and everyone here a very good, happy, healthy 2010 and may all of your wishes come through.. :D
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Very interesting theory indeed. Nothing to be sad about.
MJ is a human being, so as the one he made his own mistakes and learnt from them. He was stron enough to overcome difficulties and fight agains them.
Thank you Mo & Souza
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Grace - I like your post...
To Michael - I don't know what the exact truth is, I believe ONLY YOU can tell us and hopefully you will when you feel the time has arrived.
BUT I do want you to know that whatever it may be, I will always love you, support you and not judge you.
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@Grace : love your post; was frantically typing away on mine and when I finally posted it I saw yours... :D
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In short he never, ever struck me as if he were somebody being controlled by someone else..... there is of course always a choice : either you let people control you or you don't let people control you. In the end the choice is always yours.....
I categorically refuse to see him as a mindless, soulless puppet without any (self)responsibility. He was/is a simple mortal with a genius mind, who sometimes made poor choises for reasons only known to him (as the majority of us sometimes also do.. ;) )
I refuse to believe that Michael was/is a victim of the Illuminati, of mind control, of the NWO. If ever he was/is a victim, he was/is his own victim. He wasn't/isn't the first and most certainly wont be the last...
Lala,
It's crystal clear to me that you have not looked into MK Ultra nor into D.I.D. Had you done that, you would refrain from making statements like these.
Prejudice is ignorance...
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Very interesting theory indeed. Nothing to be sad about.
MJ is a human being, so as the one he made his own mistakes and learnt from them. He was stron enough to overcome difficulties and fight agains them.
I don't think you understand what mind control is about. In mind control, there's no such thing as "making one's own mistakes". Decisions are programmed, made for one.
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In short he never, ever struck me as if he were somebody being controlled by someone else..... there is of course always a choice : either you let people control you or you don't let people control you. In the end the choice is always yours.....
I categorically refuse to see him as a mindless, soulless puppet without any (self)responsibility. He was/is a simple mortal with a genius mind, who sometimes made poor choises for reasons only known to him (as the majority of us sometimes also do.. ;) )
I refuse to believe that Michael was/is a victim of the Illuminati, of mind control, of the NWO. If ever he was/is a victim, he was/is his own victim. He wasn't/isn't the first and most certainly wont be the last...
Lala,
It's crystal clear to me that you have not looked into MK Ultra nor into D.I.D. Had you done that, you would refrain from making statements like these.
Prejudice is ignorance...
Good for you Mo, I'm really happy and my best wishes for 2010 for you too, oh and Souza of course.
PS : Ignorance is also prejudice
PSPS : I read your blogs, so don't worry
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Reguarding the skin lightening that Michael went thru over a period of years. I saw an interview on the net of Cher, the singer. ( I cannot remember for the life of me where!) She was talking about when she had her on show years ago how she became friends with Michael and had him perform many times on her variety show. She said they were at a party celebrating one night when an associate of Michael's made the statement to her that she would be shocked at how he would change in the next few years and become "white." This shows it was planned. If the people who are involved in the illuminati are sloppy enough to brag about their exploits, it shows that it can unravel.
In my 'humble' opinion the statement of MJ's associate only shows he probably knew about the vitiligo and was maybe familiar with that skin condition maybe due to personal experience with it or whatever...
Maybe Michael instructed him to tell Cher about the vitligo, because after all, he was performing many times on her show and, maybe, knowing of his skin condition she wouldn't be startled too much....
Let's not forget that Michael hadn't performed in years. When he reappeared he was a changed man and not only skinwise.
Let's also not forget that Michael himself drew a lot of attention to himself 'just to see how people would react to some rumours he spread (fi. hyper chamber..).
Around Christmas time, on 22/12/2009 to be exact, there was a whole tribute to Michael on BBC2. During that tribute the BBC showed many interviews with his friends, co-workers, associates, family and so on.... It was a very candid tribute because for the first time ever, I felt like people (who really knew him) were actually telling what they really experienced, how it really felt to be around him. They diclosed different facets of him (one friend actually said Michael was afraid that if his fans would really get to know him, they would find him boring because he also liked just to sit home, doing nothing). Another person said that at a given moment he said he would cancel or postpone a concert (forgot wich one, but I'm sure if you look at the BBC site, you would be able to retrieve the whole tribute) and then relaunch it.
In short he never, ever struck me as if he were somebody being controlled by someone else..... there is of course always a choice : either you let people control you or you don't let people control you. In the end the choice is always yours.....
I categorically refuse to see him as a mindless, soulless puppet without any (self)responsibility. He was/is a simple mortal with a genius mind, who sometimes made poor choises for reasons only known to him (as the majority of us sometimes also do.. ;) )
I refuse to believe that Michael was/is a victim of the Illuminati, of mind control, of the NWO. If ever he was/is a victim, he was/is his own victim. He wasn't/isn't the first and most certainly wont be the last...
And, as a final note to this long (and maybe boring to some.. :lol: ) post, I'd like to say, as I stated in another thread, that I find it a bit sad that someone like Michael has to come along for us to (re)discover basic values....
Having said this and probably bored some of you to death, I wish each and everyone here a very good, happy, healthy 2010 and may all of your wishes come through.. :D
There was a lot more said in the interview by Cher, not just about the skin change but other things as well. She went into detail about the changes she saw in Michael especially after this incident at the party, not physical changes but emotional and personality changes. The interview was very interesting. I will try to find it and post a link.
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There was a lot more said in the interview by Cher, not just about the skin change but other things as well. She went into detail about the changes she saw in Michael especially after this incident at the party, not physical changes but emotional and personality changes. The interview was very interesting. I will try to find it and post a link.
Thank you Jill, that would be great...
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@Jill : thank you, I really would like to read it.
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There was a lot more said in the interview by Cher, not just about the skin change but other things as well. She went into detail about the changes she saw in Michael especially after this incident at the party, not physical changes but emotional and personality changes. The interview was very interesting. I will try to find it and post a link.
Thank you Jill, that would be great...
I found the video on youtube but do not know how to post it here. Can you help me?
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Of course! Please send me the URL in a PM, then I will publish the video here.
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@ jill : you can post the URL in your message, can't you? There is a tab above it?
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Here it is, hope it works.
://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj38MJvb8Ls
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After going over this again, wow, lots of info, the most disturbing part that I can kinda believe is that he was under some type of mind control. Michael has been in the public since he was a baby. He has been tossed back and forth between managers, advisors, religious leaders, magicians, etc. His mind is so absorbent that I am sure that he kept a piece of each one of those people ad their ideals locked somewhere inside him, so many in fact that he really didn't know how to distinguish between who had his best interest at heart and who was detrimental to him. After leaving Motown, he was allowed to do his own thing because he had money and power and presence, but not the background in finances, etc. to be able to handle appropriately that kind of wealth he had generated and the mega wealth he was capable of generating, leaving himself wide open for sharks and fake people to enter into the picture. Thus the firings, the re-hirings, the hiring of people at face value, the mismanagement of his money, his excursions, etc. Michael had no real idea of his worth. And sadly, he wasn't interested in knowing. He lived in the moment, literally. I can believe that some of his handlers (Tohme, Tohme) he sticks out for some reason, Dr. Klein, etc. all of these so called close associates in Michael's life knew that he didn't have a clue, which gave them a coercsive bind in a plot to take over Michael''s empire right under his nose. They told Michael he was broke :?: He HAD to do these shows to get out of debt, 50 :?: Michael obviously believed them initially. That is sad. Yes Michael owed some huge amounts of money because his so called mangers allowed him to spend unwisely and get mixed up in some shady financial transactions. But that was what he hired THEM for, to ensure that he wasn't making foolish mistakes. However, this would go against their plan, so they ALLOWED Michael to dig himself into a hole. In order for them to manipulate him, they had to allow him to get in what would appear to be unreasonable debt to me and you, but MICHAEL JACKSON :!: So once they had him where they wanted him, they started trying to rule and manipulate him. They were all ASSHOLES. I don't know who, but somebody got to Michael in time to reassure him that he was not irreversibly indebted. His worth and his wealth were still intact. He did not need to kill himself trying to do 50 concerts to pay his bills, which I truly believe they wanted him to do. That way they would get paid big time and get control of his masters, etc. according to his concert contract and the way his policy was underwritten. He was probably beginning to see that here were other options. Perhaps the reason AEG's people started turning people away from visiting or seeing Michael is because they knew he was being advised and Michael had started to indicate an unwillingness to follow through with their plan. He became "difficult". Thus the drugs being increased to help him sleep, etc. Michael was changed, right before the world's eyes, but I don't think it was because of alter ego. I think he was afraid and alone and feeling forced to do something his heart wasn't in. He was blocked in and had to find a way out. He did.
I need to read some more. This is quite interesting.
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[youtube:29vx0v42]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj38MJvb8Ls[/youtube:29vx0v42]
I must not be doing something right. It is from the Larry King show on 6/25/2009.
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Recently, an Illuminati slave, also stated that Elvis was an Illuminati slave. Cisco points out that Elvis’ twin brother was dead at his birth, and that Elvis knew that this gave him double spiritual power (according to Illuminati beliefs). The Illuminati will often kill a twin, so that the other will get the power of two souls
this stood out to me...for obvious reasons
i was also wondering about the black and white lyrics because i had seen a clip of the extended version where he is basicly saying f-off to the illuminati and that made me think of the lyrics.." i aint scared of you brother...ect" which never made sense if it was a love song about a girl
i do believe what you guys have said and it all makes sense, i know people want to think that its a bunch of bs but really look at the logic of all this and put it all together. plus think about how many celebs have alter egos
mariah=mimi...plus the butterflys
beyonce=sasha fierce
eminen=slim shady
jay-z=hova
kanye=mr west
christina augiulara=x-tina
*how could i forget chris gaines aka garth brooks...he was one of the first people to seperate the 2 alter egos
i mean i could go on and on plus there alters are always darker and/or more sexual so this does not only applie to mike. there is actually a guy who does "alter ego" photo shoots in atlanta for celebrities here is vivicas
http://necolebitchie.com/2009/12/31/viv ... show-video (http://necolebitchie.com/2009/12/31/vivica-foxxs-alter-ego-shoot-plus-vivica-cries-over-50-cent-on-monique-show-video)
coincident that it has a good person, in white and a bad, in black? i think not
but to conclude this all goes along with everthing i have been looking into and im glad that i am on the right track
and one last thing..i had an argument with a co work who was trying to tell me mike was gay and she says to me " in the 80s my man was in the nba and he said when mike was high he was turn into a girl, she had a name but i forgot" :o i thought she was full of it
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Recently, an Illuminati slave, also stated that Elvis was an Illuminati slave. Cisco points out that Elvis’ twin brother was dead at his birth, and that Elvis knew that this gave him double spiritual power (according to Illuminati beliefs). The Illuminati will often kill a twin, so that the other will get the power of two souls
this stood out to me...for obvious reasons
i was also wondering about the black and white lyrics because i had seen a clip of the extended version where he is basicly saying f-off to the illuminati and that made me think of the lyrics.." i aint scared of you brother...ect" which never made sense if it was a love song about a girl
i do believe what you guys have said and it all makes sense, i know people want to think that its a bunch of bs but really look at the logic of all this and put it all together. plus think about how many celebs have alter egos
mariah=mimi...plus the butterflys
beyonce=sasha fierce
eminen=slim shady
jay-z=hova
kanye=mr west
christina augiulara=x-tina
i mean i could go on and on plus there alters are always darker and/or more sexual so this does not only applie to mike. there is actually a guy who does "alter ego" photo shoots in atlanta for celebrities here is vivicas
http://necolebitchie.com/2009/12/31/viv ... show-video (http://necolebitchie.com/2009/12/31/vivica-foxxs-alter-ego-shoot-plus-vivica-cries-over-50-cent-on-monique-show-video)
coincident that it has a good person, in white and a bad, in black? i think not
but to conclude this all goes along with everthing i have been looking into and im glad that i am on the right track
and one last thing..i had an argument with a co work who was trying to tell me mike was gay and she says to me " in the 80s my man was in the nba and he said when mike was high he was turn into a girl, she had a name but i forgot" :o i thought she was full of it
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Wow. I have a friend who is in a band who worked with James Brown who also said that MJ was too feminine and that he had the tendency to act womanly when he was high. I totally lost all respect for him for saying that. I was pissed. He called him a premadona(mis spelled). Now I read this.
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In Larry King's interview with Cher she said she was disturbed at how they would make Janet stay up during all the rehearsals when she was so small. Could it be they were also trying to use her to? Do they start at such a young age?
At the VMA's when she performed Scream, after the performance the look on her face had such anger and venom. Could she have been letting them know she did not go along with what they had done to her brother and was also defying them?
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If this really has happened to him, it's terrible, but i wouldn't be surprised also..
the world is out of control and a lot of people do anything for money.. kill, lie, manipulate, destroy etc.
and yes it does make me very sad to think of, that maybe this is what happend to him...
but before i'm going complitely crazy again and be so shocked, like i was after the twin theory, i'll see this as a possibility and hope that we'll hear the truth someday from Michael himself!
I absolutely agree with u!!!! ;)
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and one last thing..i had an argument with a co work who was trying to tell me mike was gay and she says to me " in the 80s my man was in the nba and he said when mike was high he was turn into a girl, she had a name but i forgot" :o i thought she was full of it
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Wow. I have a friend who is in a band who worked with James Brown who also said that MJ was too feminine and that he had the tendency to act womanly when he was high. I totally lost all respect for him for saying that. I was pissed. He called him a premadona(mis spelled). Now I read this.[/quote]
i was mad also! that was the end of the conversation with me and her...i couldnt believe she would say something like that...
@jill i wouldnt be shocked , probly not like with mike but im sure all of them had some time of control, maybe not rebbie but the boys and jan and toya i would not be shocked..with the exception of jackie and tito they were children and im sure they had to use something to make them perform ect like that...think about a 10 year old kid you know and tell me if you think they would/could perfom like that for hours/day and weeks natually
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This blog is somewhat controversial and shocking and although you might not go with our theory stated in this blog, it is eye opening and will probably make you as mad and sad as we are.
We were contacted by someone who asked us if we wanted to end up like Evan Chandler for publishing a blog about Mike/Mind Control & Illuminati, but since this is just a theory and the net is all over with articles about this topic, we will post it. There are a lot of people trying to keep us hoaxers from the truth by scaring them and telling half truths, but we have thought this out and unfortunately this fits. The twin-theory might have been off, but if this theory turns out to be true, it wasn’t even that far fetched.
Read more:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php)
Greetz,
Mo & Souza
I read a lot about ML ULTRA in the early days (July) long before I got onto forums etc by when I was on the old MJHD this type of discussion was not permitted. I think there is a lot of information which may have a bearing on what Michael had to go through it would explain a lot.
Thank you for putting this information "out there" for discussion.
At this point, I do not rule anything "out" or for that matter "in" but keep an open mind to all options.
Thank you
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wow!!!!! is all i can say... not that i agree or disagree with any particular theory above another, but we cannot dismiss anything, no matter who might feel hurt about it!!! it is in no way disrespecting mj, we are all here because we want to know the truth, no matter what it is, and IMO any theory is credible until PROVEN otherwise....
this morning, before reading this post i was having some thoughts on MJ, and i didn't even have the time to voice these thoughts to the one and only person who wouldn't laugh at me or be shocked by what i was thinking at that moment, when she said it for me.....that MJ was not 100% ok.... i then said to her that was exactly what i was thinking!! i even went further by saying that if anyone is to blame, IMO and this is a thought like many others, his mother is to blame for raising him to fear God, and all the stuff she made him do for the jehovas witnesses....like going door to door, etc,... but ultimately it was his choice when he became an adult to carry on with this fear he had, but i also think that MJ was very vunerable as a child and therefore more influenced by his mothers preachings than any of the other sibbling, maybe with the exception of Rebbie, who still is a JW.
if anything, hat off to MO and SOUZA for allowing us to have an opinion
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wow!!!!! is all i can say... not that i agree or disagree with any particular theory above another, but we cannot dismiss anything, no matter who might feel hurt about it!!! it is in no way disrespecting mj, we are all here because we want to know the truth, no matter what it is, and IMO any theory is credible until PROVEN otherwise....
this morning, before reading this post i was having some thoughts on MJ, and i didn't even have the time to voice these thoughts to the one and only person who wouldn't laugh at me or be shocked by what i was thinking at that moment, when she said it for me.....that MJ was not 100% ok.... i then said to her that was exactly what i was thinking!! i even went further by saying that if anyone is to blame, IMO and this is a thought like many others, his mother is to blame for raising him to fear God, and all the stuff she made him do for the jehovas witnesses....like going door to door, etc,... but ultimately it was his choice when he became an adult to carry on with this fear he had, but i also think that MJ was very vunerable as a child and therefore more influenced by his mothers preachings than any of the other sibbling, maybe with the exception of Rebbie, who still is a JW.
if anything, hat off to MO and SOUZA for allowing us to have an opinion
The mind control has nothing to do with fearing God, if you study it further it has to do with Satanic principals. Please watch some of the videos. Michael turning back to God was when he started to seperate from the Illuminati and think for himself. That is when they started losing control of him.
I am not saying I agree with the Jehovah's Witnesses. I am strictly talking about Michael's relationship with God.
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I am glad i watched the Manchurian candidate before reading this. That was in a recient rediect.... This is crazy stuff, I MUST SAY back in july lots of people were very closed minded, but today seems like some are taking, waking up to the possibilies every thing is not what it seems........ I got my suzie and me from micheal and because its my middle name, do you think its approiate any more??
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The mind control has nothing to do with fearing God, if you study it further it has to do with Satanic principals. Please watch some of the videos. Michael turning back to God was when he started to seperate from the Illuminati and think for himself. That is when they started losing control of him.
I am not saying I agree with the Jehovah's Witnesses. I am strictly talking about Michael's relationship with God.[/quote]
i get your meaning, really i do.... but being me, i tend to believe that ALL religions, whether they be in God, Satan, JW, or even buddhisme or islam are a different way of escaping reality, don't get me wrong here.... i am an atheist, but do respect others beliefs/religions as long as they keep it in the closet and don't use it to harm others....but todays world, referring to extremists, etc... blowing up innocent people to support their religion/belief.... sort of makes me think that this world would be a better place WITHOUT religion...even the catholic religion IMO is not as innocent as it claims..
well, thats me and my opinion, no intention in offending anybody whatsoever
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Wow....that was deep and kinda eerie...the thought of something like that possibly able to happen to anyone is scary in itself! In many of my posts I wanted to elaborate more on the black organizations that Michael began to join later in life....but I thought that would be one thing here against the no rules policy, so I just posted a little on the muslim group and Dick Gregory. I am a little, No, a lot disturbed and concerned on the threat that you guys received. I also had been looking at the fact that it was very strange for Evan Chandler to just die like that. I'm wondering if the government would directly do this or would they use people close to the victim...such as...Mottola, Malnik, Tohme Thome etc. ?
Although I don't quite understand the illuminati Theory, I believe something life threatening caused the death hoax. Of course my investigations constantly led me to those who are in control of the estate.
So, Michael obviously knew someone was really trying to kill him as he mentioned to LaToya and Dick Gregory. I have a good idea of who really assisted him with this hoax, but also believe there were very few people involved in the hoax.
I don't think MJ would just pull off a hoax just to come back and do some wild concert or for any other vague reason! It had to be something really serious for MJ to be forced to separate from his loved ones at a time like this. Then again, I've noticed that his family/close friends are all spending an awful lot of time in London since his "supposed" death.
Well, I'm glad you guys posted this information as moderators, as it would not have been accepted or received from another member. It is so amazing that racism, control and hate can go this level. As an african american myself the thought of this happening makes me sick to my stomach! :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Wow....that was deep and kinda eerie...the thought of something like that possibly able to happen to anyone is scary in itself! In many of my posts I wanted to elaborate more on the black organizations that Michael began to join later in life....but I thought that would be one thing here against the no rules policy, so I just posted a little on the muslim group and Dick Gregory. I am a little, No, a lot disturbed and concerned on the threat that you guys received. I also had been looking at the fact that it was very strange for Evan Chandler to just die like that. I'm wondering if the government would directly do this or would they use people close to the victim...such as...Mottola, Malnik, Tohme Thome etc. ?
not only dick gregory but we saw him with jesse jackson, rev al stapton and dont forget who went on arsinio hall and had mikes back, louis farrakan and remeber all the rumors, or facts, that mj used all NIO for secruity..thats actually makes alot of sense for him to join with black organizations and also remeber the rumors/or facts of him becoming a muslim?
also can you send me links to your post on dick gregory and muslim groups, i may have missed those.
thank you
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this also makes me think of someone else who stated that they wanted to start a new black panther party,who was raised by a black panther, also used the number 7,went against the illuminati and possibly faked there death...tupac
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Misha86,
You're right, all these are people he turned to during the later years. I am so happy that Souza and Mo mentioned some of these facts. All my links are under:
Report (Michael Jackson Didn't Hire Conrad Murray)
I saw the change of people Michael had started to follow and thought that was strange.
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At first I thought the idea was mad but reading your post souza I am not so sure now Michael was so angry in his latter songs I love the songs but the anger is so strong, and another thing can we be connected when Michael "died" I just felt no he hasnt WHY should i feel this I always oved Michaels music i did not see him in concert I watched on the tv and when he was in trouble I always believed in him and watched what was happening to him and when he did the bashit programme I got into a hell of an argument with a good friend who thought he was wierd and a P I just saw a kind caring man and could not understand why others could not see that in him I got angry with people. I just can not understand why i am so obsessed with Michael now and feeling he is not dead what is that all about , in normal cicumstances I would have just thought how sad and i hope they get the people responsible so what i am saying is this some kind of mind controll going on with us or just a good thing.
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I do think that Michael was the favored child by his mother, not meaning that in a mean way. But because he was so sensitive and caring, I think she felt the need to shelter him more from outside influences. She was his rock. She was his comfort. In latter years Michael's inability to distinguish good from evil in people obviously led him to be in the company of some snakes. He lacked that real street sense to sniff out a rat. (But then he loved rats, but I digress). I HATE when I look at some of Michael's videos, songs where he breaks down and cries,it breaks my heart. But those interviews where he is is obviously hurt and trying desperately to redeem himself from attacks ANGERS me to no end. It is unreal that Michael had to try to defend himself, or that he was allowed and/or expected to do interviews without some kind of attorney or advisor present. Hell, they should have been his spokes person and he not have to personally appear at all. I don't understand it. I just don't understand it.
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Reread this maybe:
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/breaking-ne ... -t1686.htm (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/breaking-news-f3/michaels-late-night-voice-mails-said-he-was-scared-for-his-life-t1686.htm)
I would like to add however that Michael was very much in control of his life IMHO.
I would not consider him a helpless, externally controlled victim.
Whether we are being controlled? Well, I would say, we are emotionally hooked on this.
Despite we have had many occurancies that could have calmed us, we are still insisting, still wanting to go further. That's maybe some kind of obsession with "hide and seek" and we want to seek til the end?
Are we being controlled?
Well, let's say this much: we are definitely being watched. By authorities, press, psychologists, lawyers, social behaviour researchers, who ever likes to watch us (waving "hi-ii" LOL).
We also acknowledged that whenever we were looking for more pictures, for more clues, for guidance and expressed this, miraculously something would happen to be given to us exactly in the desired way.
We noticed as well that the (desired) reactions were coming from media, web, family, Michael or close sources. We were suspicious about an ARG (alternate reality game).
Now I don't want to dig into "you can make wishes come true if you insist in your dreams and wishes enough" in the sense of "you can move a mountain". There are evidences that this is possible though.
There is someone pulling the reins - unidentified, behind the curtain.
We don't know yet who this person or group is - not clearly - but we may eventually find this out. In case we don't get hooked on attention seekers and gamblers that are pure distraction. Remember that Michael himself has placed false information for press release and that all "leakage" so far has come from "close sources" and family.
They are protecting and will continue to place false traces for sure.
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"imabeliever2"]Wow....that was deep and kinda eerie...the thought of something like that possibly able to happen to anyone is scary in itself! In many of my posts I wanted to elaborate more on the black organizations that Michael began to join later in life....but I thought that would be one thing here against the no rules policy, so I just posted a little on the muslim group and Dick Gregory. I am a little, No, a lot disturbed and concerned on the threat that you guys received. I also had been looking at the fact that it was very strange for Evan Chandler to just die like that. I'm wondering if the government would directly do this or would they use people close to the victim...such as...Mottola, Malnik, Tohme Thome etc. ?
Although I don't quite understand the illuminati Theory, I believe something life threatening caused the death hoax. Of course my investigations constantly led me to those who are in control of the estate.
So, Michael obviously knew someone was really trying to kill him as he mentioned to LaToya and Dick Gregory. I have a good idea of who really assisted him with this hoax, but also believe there were very few people involved in the hoax.
I don't think MJ would just pull off a hoax just to come back and do some wild concert or for any other vague reason! It had to be something really serious for MJ to be forced to separate from his loved ones at a time like this. Then again, I've noticed that his family/close friends are all spending an awful lot of time in London since his "supposed" death.
Well, I'm glad you guys posted this information as moderators, as it would not have been accepted or received from another member. It is so amazing that racism, control and hate can go this level. As an african american myself the thought of this happening makes me sick to my stomach! :cry: :cry: :cry:[/quote]
That's interesting I read somewhere they suspect Michael is in London. I wonder why there?
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IDK why they're claiming that. But I have my own personal reasons for believing that from a dream that I had approximately 10+ years ago about MJ living in London. Of course it didn't make since at the time. :|
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I already said before...but then i was crazy
Sorry my last day here to comment. Not everything is true in this post. I did years of reasearch to illuminati freemasons, rochefellers...
Now MO post it and now it is real???
Well let me tell you someting..after all the posts about illuminati you have ignored..and now following like sheeps....... MO has power.. you are in contol.
Mo this might not be your intention..but please explain the sources and say your vision is formed by the things you read !!!!
And why !!!! Are several posts of mine have been removed???? About illuminati and all.
Shame shame sham
But i will not share here anymore, only in my private website.
AND.. this blog should be removed..you put Michael in danger.. and as i said before...this should NOT be a public page for anyone to see.
Thats why i quit here !!! safety first !!!
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I somehow feel that some of the drugs they were prescribing Michael in the pretense of being pain meds, could have actually been something else falsely labeled. Psychotropic drugs maybe.
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I already said before...but then i was crazy
Sorry my last day here to comment. Not everything is true in this post. I did years of reasearch to illuminati freemasons, rochefellers...
Now MO post it and now it is real???
Well let me tell you someting..after all the posts about illuminati you have ignored..and now following like sheeps....... MO has power.. you are in contol.
Mo this might not be your intention..but please explain the sources and say your vision is formed by the things you read !!!!
And why !!!! Are several posts of mine have been removed???? About illuminati and all.
Shame shame sham
But i will not share here anymore, only in my private website.
AND.. this blog should be removed..you put Michael in danger.. and as i said before...this should NOT be a public page for anyone to see.
Thats why i quit here !!! safety first !!!
Not ONE Illuminati post has been deleted from this forum, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
ALL our sources are listed in the blog.
You probably didn't notice there were quite some Illuminati/mind control related posts over the past 10 days, but saying that your fellow members follow us like sheep is quite disrespectful and even rude.
As you are well aware of, we posted a THEORY, we never claim our posts are the truth. Illuminati/Michael Jackson theories and videos have been posted all over the internet since July, so explain to me why our blog post would make such a huge difference?
Wishing you all the best,
Mo
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I already said before...but then i was crazy
Sorry my last day here to comment. Not everything is true in this post. I did years of reasearch to illuminati freemasons, rochefellers...
Now MO post it and now it is real???
Well let me tell you someting..after all the posts about illuminati you have ignored..and now following like sheeps....... MO has power.. you are in contol.
Mo this might not be your intention..but please explain the sources and say your vision is formed by the things you read !!!!
And why !!!! Are several posts of mine have been removed???? About illuminati and all.
Shame shame sham
But i will not share here anymore, only in my private website.
AND.. this blog should be removed..you put Michael in danger.. and as i said before...this should NOT be a public page for anyone to see.
Thats why i quit here !!! safety first !!!
Not ONE Illuminati post has been deleted from this forum, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
ALL our sources are listed in the blog.
You probably didn't notice there were quite some Illuminati/mind control related posts over the past 10 days, but saying that your fellow members follow us like sheep is quite disrespectful and even rude.
As you are well aware of, we posted a THEORY, we never claim our posts are the truth. Illuminati/Michael Jackson theories and videos have been posted all over the internet since July, so explain to me why our blog post would make such a huge difference?
Wishing you all the best,
Mo
yes Mo there are posts removed.... and i respect this is going beyond imagination..but there is so mutch more..why banned Maura...
Don't put Michael in danger as i mentioned before....!!!!!!!
I thought this was a pro Michael website....
But your theorie about illuminati is NOT correct, but people beLIEve it because they dont know da d...N about it !!!!!!
No offence..but i am doing research for years... and there is soo much more you cannot even imagion.
7 minutes before i delete my account if possible
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I am very, thoroughly confused now :? PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THIS DISCUSSION IS PUTTING MICHAEL IN DANGER. Heaven forbid! I certainly would not want to do THAT. Please! Explain. This is frightening to me.
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lol, are people who post only to satisfy their ego, I am glad that you have do that,
it stops me to do the dirty work ... lollllllll..THANX Mo & Souza
C'mon whitesocks, we are a communauty and we do sharing, not just for ego trip 8-)
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Let’s try a little experiment. Go to work or school tomorrow… raise your hand and describe these hoaxed death forums. Once the people stop laughing, the teasing will really begin and then the denial comments with words like BS or Impossible or Absurd will follow. Sound familiar? The mind is willing to believe that MJ is alive. Good news! That opens the door for a comeback. Yippee! MJ underwent life-altering and mind altering problems for many years. Bad news! That shatters images of perfection and closes a door to indicate a possible permanent disappearing act.. Boooo! Every bit of news will not be soft and fluffy or warm and fuzzy. There is bitter with the sweet. Bad news does not diminish the innocent people who experience the bad incidents. Bad news does not make these innocent people bad.
I used to watch a funny 70s sitcom that starred a single mother and her two teen daughters. I used to listen to the great songs of a 60s band that featured 2 talented males and 2 talented females who made great harmonies. Guess what the world learned about one of the actresses from the sitcom and one of the male singers from the band last year? Hint: the man is the father and the girl is his daughter. Rewind back in time and predict the reaction if that story were told to his fans or hers back in the day.
What makes people assume that MJ is immune or untouchable? If we claim to be able to accept all of the good then we are nit picking when we reject anything that hints of some unpleasantness. MJ is not a buffet meal. You know… the meals where you grab a plate, approach a long serving table of food and proceed to choose what you really like while leaving behind what you really really dislike. If we clearly and proudly declare ourselves as fans then we need to consider the full person and not just the aspects that we really like. Otherwise that’s called romanticizing a person and a situation.
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cannot delete my account
But will not reply anymore.
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Recently, an Illuminati slave, also stated that Elvis was an Illuminati slave. Cisco points out that Elvis’ twin brother was dead at his birth, and that Elvis knew that this gave him double spiritual power (according to Illuminati beliefs). The Illuminati will often kill a twin, so that the other will get the power of two souls
this stood out to me...for obvious reasons
i was also wondering about the black and white lyrics because i had seen a clip of the extended version where he is basicly saying f-off to the illuminati and that made me think of the lyrics.." i aint scared of you brother...ect" which never made sense if it was a love song about a girl
i do believe what you guys have said and it all makes sense, i know people want to think that its a bunch of bs but really look at the logic of all this and put it all together. plus think about how many celebs have alter egos
mariah=mimi...plus the butterflys
beyonce=sasha fierce
eminen=slim shady
jay-z=hova
kanye=mr west
christina augiulara=x-tina
*how could i forget chris gaines aka garth brooks...he was one of the first people to seperate the 2 alter egos
i mean i could go on and on plus there alters are always darker and/or more sexual so this does not only applie to mike. there is actually a guy who does "alter ego" photo shoots in atlanta for celebrities here is vivicas
http://necolebitchie.com/2009/12/31/viv ... show-video (http://necolebitchie.com/2009/12/31/vivica-foxxs-alter-ego-shoot-plus-vivica-cries-over-50-cent-on-monique-show-video)
coincident that it has a good person, in white and a bad, in black? i think not
but to conclude this all goes along with everthing i have been looking into and im glad that i am on the right track
and one last thing..i had an argument with a co work who was trying to tell me mike was gay and she says to me " in the 80s my man was in the nba and he said when mike was high he was turn into a girl, she had a name but i forgot" :o i thought she was full of it
Just wondering if you have any more info about what your friend said about Michael being high. Are you talking about recreational drugs or what?
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He did not turn into a "white man",he became a black man with white skin,its not really that complicated.he was always black.Yes he had a really nice skin tone before so would be extremely devasted as well if i had to turn pigmentless.I want to hear your explanation about the mental disorder for the white woman comment though.it was kind of shocking for me to read,like those kind of things make it appear that there was seriously something wrong with mr michael.i understand why people would be offended by it.
Don't take it that literally, it was meant the way the media addressed it: Michael Jackson turned from a black man into a white woman. It has been said many times. Sow WE do not mean he is a white woman now, we are explaining the white (see previous post) and the female side (as alter ego). Again: we are not claiming Mike is a woman (I can't really believe how you come up with that) but the vitiligo and the alter egos are caused by things they have done to him.
You can say whatever you want, but I will never believe that if a black man slowly turns white (ON THE OUTSIDE), that he can just 'brush that off'. I did not turn black all of the suden and I think most of people here did not experience that, so I think it is a bit easy to say that he could have just 'brushed it of'.
And I can understand it's shocking to hear, but we DO think there was something wrong with him. Having alter egos is not normal and can effect your life in a bad way. It's not his fault, it was a result of the abuse and the controlling. Also, we think he is better now, like GirlSaturday said the therapy is 'merging'. For what we have seen with Sybil, it means that the main person (Mike) needs to 'meet' his alter egos and accept them, so they won't take over anymore, but will keep your 'skills' for you to use. The main person normally does not know about the alters, while the alters do know about the existing of the others.
It's hard toexplain and I hope I did well, since I am not a psychiatrist. You shouls watch Sybil.
Again and I hope for the last time: we are not here to diss Mike, please read the blog, we want people to understand.
:shock: err i read the blog finally now.when i read the part about the penguin person being a woman i kind of chuckled. :lol: not that i don't take it seriously,that part was just funny for some reason.yes i understand what you are saying but i don't get the bolded part. like it just seems like a weird comparison.people turning black?even though mj was given this skin changing thing on purpose or whatever/inflicted on him by the illuminati,there actually IS a disease called vitiligo that people get which unless they were purposely(?) infected too :? .
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Ok, 1st of all, I'll be honest and say I didn't read the 4 pages of replies I only read a few on the 1st page.This being said, I may have replied to this last nightj real quickly cause it was 3:30 AM when I read the blog so sorry if I am reposting but I really dont think so.
I would like to thank Mo and Souza for posting this blog and all the others they have posted. I love reading your blogs because they are always so very well researched and explained. Wether we agree with all of them or not at least we always see where they are coming from so I dont think people should bash them like they do.
IMO I think there is some potential to this theory, because it never sat well with me the difference in Michael's manerisms and behavior onstage and offstage. Please do not bash me as well for saying this, I am not saying there was anything wrong or not with how Michael was...
It also got me thinking, in TII during They dont really care about us there is mention of The biggest liberation in the histoy of our nation or something along those lines. Well I would have to agree that if Michael was under the control of Illuminatti or NWO or... it definetly would be the biggest liberation a person could achieve. That could also be why we are going to see Michael as we have never seen him before... FREE... to be who he truly is without anymore fear or control... dunno just throing ideas out there.
Bottom line, I dont like the theory but I think it could have some potential and thank you Mo and Souza for not always being too polite as to not say certain things that need to be considered or at least looked at just to avoid offending anybody including Michael if it turned out to be false. That is what investigating is, exploring every possible avenue until all the false ones have been exhausted and the truth is found.
Great job to the 2 of you in that department. :geek:
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Recently, an Illuminati slave, also stated that Elvis was an Illuminati slave. Cisco points out that Elvis’ twin brother was dead at his birth, and that Elvis knew that this gave him double spiritual power (according to Illuminati beliefs). The Illuminati will often kill a twin, so that the other will get the power of two souls
this stood out to me...for obvious reasons
i was also wondering about the black and white lyrics because i had seen a clip of the extended version where he is basicly saying f-off to the illuminati and that made me think of the lyrics.." i aint scared of you brother...ect" which never made sense if it was a love song about a girl
i do believe what you guys have said and it all makes sense, i know people want to think that its a bunch of bs but really look at the logic of all this and put it all together. plus think about how many celebs have alter egos
mariah=mimi...plus the butterflys
beyonce=sasha fierce
eminen=slim shady
jay-z=hova
kanye=mr west
christina augiulara=x-tina
*how could i forget chris gaines aka garth brooks...he was one of the first people to seperate the 2 alter egos
i mean i could go on and on plus there alters are always darker and/or more sexual so this does not only applie to mike. there is actually a guy who does "alter ego" photo shoots in atlanta for celebrities here is vivicas
http://necolebitchie.com/2009/12/31/viv ... show-video (http://necolebitchie.com/2009/12/31/vivica-foxxs-alter-ego-shoot-plus-vivica-cries-over-50-cent-on-monique-show-video)
coincident that it has a good person, in white and a bad, in black? i think not
but to conclude this all goes along with everthing i have been looking into and im glad that i am on the right track
and one last thing..i had an argument with a co work who was trying to tell me mike was gay and she says to me " in the 80s my man was in the nba and he said when mike was high he was turn into a girl, she had a name but i forgot" :o i thought she was full of it
Just wondering if you have any more info about what your friend said about Michael being high. Are you talking about recreational drugs or what?
idk and i didnt ask because as soon as she said that i was done talking to her :lol:
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Hi Mo and Souza,
I must thank you from the bottom of my heart for this blog. Finally the truth is out.. making things in to a taboo is how the abuse can continue. Don't be disheartened by the negative comments, i'm sure you both understand that this is a lot to take in and is heart breaking. Sometimes the fear makes us bury our heads in the sand and pretend it isn't happening. So its easy to understand the people who are reacting very negatively to this. Hopefully one day the majority will accept this so it can stop! Lots of love to you both xx
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Mo, this is fascinating subject matter. I will have to read it a couple of times through before it will settle properly in my feeble mind! :D I bought the most interesting DVD series on MJ last Saturday entitled Thanks for the Music (I think that is the correct title). The music critics mentioned that MJ lost alot of his wider audience with songs like Scream and They Really Don't Care About Us because of the angry in his music. After reading your blog about the Illuminati, these songs take on more importance to me. I will continue to research the Illuminati more. I really think you have hit upon something here. Very enlightening post, well-said!
I do think that MJ is extremely smart chap! I think he could pull anything off. Mo, does NOI fit into the Illuminati theory anywhere. Have you ever heard about Louis Farrakhan's speech, “The Crucifixion of Michael Jackson and All Responsible Black Leadership.” I am interested in what you think, MO.
Thank you!
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sorry, I dont agree with this...erm...theory.
I will refrain myself for now, but after I read it I felt...well...disgusted to tell you the truth.
I dont know what is going on here, but I'm actually afraid of the things I'm seeing.
Michael fought so much against this...its almost as if I was reading tabloid disguised as something else.
I have the right to my own opinion, right? So...no...I dont agree at all with this.
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so you are saying he is not going to come back....or is he waiting for the world to come together and realize what is going on and then come back hehe and he will have all of us behind him and on his side or what does this mean?
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Is it true that Dr. Murray is part of the Freemasonry, i thought i heard that somewhere on another forum? :? :shock:
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WOW! this is a very controversal issue and it's a lot to take in. I wish I could post my comment about it but I am going to need some time to process this.
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We were contacted by someone who asked us if we wanted to end up like Evan Chandler for publishing a blog about Mike/Mind Control & Illuminati,
Does it mean that someone threatened you ? If that's the case that's because you are really close to the truth,right ? I hope you're not going to get into trouble :shock:
I've seen the video with the explanations,
Altough watching it before I found it to be a nice video to watch (even if it was a little weird ) now it makes really sense with all thoses explanations.
I hope that he has escaped...But can we escape from the Illuminati tough ?
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I dont believe what I'm reading. People who dont believe the admins theory are faced with a brick wall of members and admin who straight away assume the person has no intelligence and has not "done their homework" <-- Disgraceful comment coming from an "admin".
If the admin of this site had done their homework they would know there is a lot more to it than what they have written, and most of what they've written is wrong.
This is not because I "dont believe in the illuminati/NWO" because I do so dont throw that back in my face as protection for your sites admin as it wont work.
Reading articles and watching films doesnt give you inside knowledge or psychological knowledge. The owners of this site are not psychologists (Although they may not claim to be it is still wrong) and shouldnt be feeding their members this stuff which you believe and praise the admin for.
Step outside of this forum if you want to learn about NWO, Illuminati and the connection with Michael Jackson. Do your own research
Dont be put down when people tell you you are stupid for not believing. READ! Then you will know part of the real truth behind it, and not what's being fed by two girls who have no idea what they're raving about.
I wonder how long this comment will be allowed to stay here for before it/I am removed.
It may be a "theory" but the theories you are writing appear full of truth to people who know nothing about it, putting them on a public forum is wrong. People put trust into a sites admin and you are misusing it!
Speak to doctors and psychologists, not the owners of a forum. Think logically before you put blind faith into people behind a computer screen.
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LIBERIAN GIRL
The admin worked very hard on this blog, and they are positing this purely as a THEORY on their part.
If you have any specific or specialist knowledge on MK Ultra, Mind Control , the Illuminati agenda or the NWO do you have a specific blog or site of yours to which you can direct us , in order that you can share this wide knowledge of yours with us?
Mo , Souza and all here, thanks for the efforts you make, if we didn't take chances , if we didn't at least TRY to articulate beliefs. if we didn't express our opinions then we would just be SHUT UP by the kind of criticism that would have us believe we have no right to express views we are not 'qualified' to.
Freedom and Liberty are being eroded daily, in the most insidious ways. One way to shut people up is to discredit or ridicule them.. but then we've seen that happen to a man called Michael Jackson haven't we?
Gabriel
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I dont believe what I'm reading. People who dont believe the admins theory are faced with a brick wall of members and admin who straight away assume the person has no intelligence and has not "done their homework" <-- Disgraceful comment coming from an "admin".
If the admin of this site had done their homework they would know there is a lot more to it than what they have written, and most of what they've written is wrong.
This is not because I "dont believe in the illuminati/NWO" because I do so dont throw that back in my face as protection for your sites admin as it wont work.
Reading articles and watching films doesnt give you inside knowledge or psychological knowledge. The owners of this site are not psychologists (Although they may not claim to be it is still wrong) and shouldnt be feeding their members this stuff which you believe and praise the admin for.
Step outside of this forum if you want to learn about NWO, Illuminati and the connection with Michael Jackson. Do your own research
Dont be put down when people tell you you are stupid for not believing. READ! Then you will know part of the real truth behind it, and not what's being fed by two girls who have no idea what they're raving about.
I wonder how long this comment will be allowed to stay here for before it/I am removed.
It may be a "theory" but the theories you are writing appear full of truth to people who know nothing about it, putting them on a public forum is wrong. People put trust into a sites admin and you are misusing it!
Speak to doctors and psychologists, not the owners of a forum. Think logically before you put blind faith into people behind a computer screen.
First of all, you are entitled to your own opinion so your post will not be deleted.
We have stated I think 4!! times that this is a theory, maybe you missed that.
Also we never claimed to be psychologists, but we are not idiots either. We spent a LOT of time into this and I can assure you, it's no bull shit, the information is accurate and the link to Mike is not far fetched at all.
You may not agree with the fact that this is related to Mike, but that does not give you the right to belittle and bash us. It's a theory and people on this board are able to think for themselves, YOU are saying they are stupid with your post, not us. And YOU are stating this is BS, so who is the one here pretending to have the truth? Not us, YOU. Take a look in the mirror girl.
Funny thing is, that at first you claim we can't be psycologists by reading up, but then you advise members to go read and investigate themselves. So we can't get accurate info on the web or other sources, but the rest of the members can? Please explain.
Your comment is not helpful at all. Disagreement is fine, but explain WHY this can't be true, that is called discussion. What you are doing is bashing and accusing and since you are way smarter than the members apparently, because you do your own research (not my words guys, just a conclusion I get from her post), I would expect a more intelligent post with arguments.
Try to discuss with a little more grace next time, or I will remove you from this board. And no, not because you have a different opinion, but because your attitude is not suitable for the atmosphere of this forum.
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found something interesting check this out :idea:
http://www.illuminatiarchives.org/educa ... on-part-2/ (http://www.illuminatiarchives.org/education/illuminati-music-industry-and-why-michael-jackson-was-killed-high-definition-part-2/)
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LIBERIAN GIRL
The admin worked very hard on this blog, and they are positing this purely as a THEORY on their part.
If you have any specific or specialist knowledge on MK Ultra, Mind Control , the Illuminati agenda or the NWO do you have a specific blog or site of yours to which you can direct us , in order that you can share this wide knowledge of yours with us?
Mo , Souza and all here, thanks for the efforts you make, if we didn't take chances , if we didn't at least TRY to articulate beliefs. if we didn't express our opinions then we would just be SHUT UP by the kind of criticism that would have us believe we have no right to express views we are not 'qualified' to.
Freedom and Liberty are being eroded daily, in the most insidious ways. One way to shut people up is to discredit or ridicule them.. but then we've seen that happen to a man called Michael Jackson haven't we?
Gabriel
Thank you Gabriel, you are always a voice of reason, and you are up early! No sacks under the eyes?
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One way to shut people up is to discredit or ridicule them.. but then we've seen that happen to a man called Michael Jackson haven't we?
AMEN to that G, thanks for the reminder!
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Hi , happy to at least "meet you" Souza and Mo :D
I'am really interested in your Illuminati theory because It has come up several times when talking about Michael , I still don't know much about it , but I try to inform myself here and here because it seems interesting.
So you think he could have been involved one way or another in it ?
What is your opinion of the outcome ?
Do you think(personnally) that he has successfully escaped or that(maybe)unfortunaly they maybe eliminated him ?
And I would want to ask again , were you threatened ?
(what you said about Evan Chandler)
Are you going to be alright ?
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Hi , happy to at least "meet you" Souza and Mo :D
I'am really interested in your Illuminati theory because It has come up several times when talking about Michael , I still don't know much about it , but I try to inform myself here and here because it seems interesting.
So you think he could have been involved one way or another in it ?
What is your opinion of the outcome ?
Do you think(personnally) that he has successfully escaped or that(maybe)unfortunaly they maybe eliminated him ?
And I would want to ask again , were you threatened ?
(what you said about Evan Chandler)
Are you going to be alright ?
here is another good vid abot the illuminati and michael
http://www.illuminatiarchives.org/educa (http://www.illuminatiarchives.org/educa) ... on-part-2/
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At last, a place to discuss where your opinions matter. I have long viewed the illuminati as a theory. Most times I'm ignored or bashed for even mentioning it. I am so glad this is not the case here. I've often spoke of mind control concerning Michael. There has been some indications of it in his behavior. I am not a psychologist and don't claim to know anything, but I have seen my uncle become a victim of a similar condition as a result of the religion he chose to follow. It is real and it is powerful. Thank you for allowing people a voice and a platform in which to speak. I pray that Michael is receiving the necessary help to keep him safe.
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One way to shut people up is to discredit or ridicule them.. but then we've seen that happen to a man called Michael Jackson haven't we?
AMEN to that G, thanks for the reminder!
I absolutely agree!
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As you'll see I did not miss the fact it is a theory, I actually addressed that in my post.
I am advising people to do their own research and read outside of this forum because they will get a lot more knowledge outside of this forum (Even though it's not enough to fully understand as I said).
I will not spend my time here discussing what I know as it takes too long and it takes years to even begin understand. It cannot be summed up in a blog for people to feel "like their eyes have been opened" when in reality their eyes have been opened to nothing.
Remove me from the forum if you wish. But someone needs to speak out against what's going on here and not everyone on internet forums are as dumb as people think.
No where did I say I didn’t believe the illuminati relates to Michael Jackson, so please dont assume just because I dont agree I don’t know. I don’t "Pretend" to have the truth.
I just have a lot of knowledge on something and I don’t like it when its misused by people.
I am not trying to say stop talking about it. But I am saying it is wrong to talk about things you have no knowledge of which scare people on your forum. Yes people will be scared of it, but people need to know. However presenting them with wrong information is not the right way to go about it.
Theories are theories. Yes they don’t have to be right, but you have to have facts to base a theory on otherwise it is a story. Which is exactly what the admins blog is.
Oh and Gabriel Walker...That is not an attempt to shut anyone up, as you can see they are the ADMIN of this forum and I can be removed just as fast as I signed up so stop being ridiculous. They clearly can not be shut up. If you choose to put blind faith in the admin that's your choice everyone has a voice and a chance to use it. Don’t use Michael Jackson’s name as a shield for the wrong things happening on this website. I wont be bullied by people using his name. Again just another brick wall people come up against that dont believe the admin.
I knew I would get bashed for putting this here, but it really doesn’t bother me because I have a life outside of this forum.
I love how you say my attitude is not suitable for this forum...Yet people who praise you, agree and hang on every word are more than welcome to stay and participate. Which proves my original point. Get out of this forum and do your own research although you wont find out everything you will find out a lot more than that bull in the blog.
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But someone needs to speak out against what's going on here and not everyone on internet forums are as dumb as people think.
Exactly MY point!
But I am saying it is wrong to talk about things you have no knowledge of which scare people on your forum. Yes people will be scared of it, but people need to know.
You keep contradicting yourself, and do not say we have no knowledge, who are you to say that? At least we share the knowledge we DO have, so that people can research it for themselves and see how they are being manipulated by people like you, who want to SILENCE people.
Oh and Gabriel Walker...Don’t use Michael Jackson’s name as a shield for the wrong things happening on this website. I wont be bullied by people using his name.
This made me LMFAO really...
I love how you say my attitude is not suitable for this forum...Yet people who praise you, agree and hang on every word are more than welcome to stay and participate. Which proves my original point.
No, you are wrong there. There are a lot of people on this board that don't agree with us. You really think all 2000 people agree? No, but most of them have a lot more grace and respect in their way of posting, you could learn something from them. And seriously, what IS your original point?
Get out of this forum and do your own research although you wont find out everything you will find out a lot more than that bull in the blog.
People on here can decide that for themselves pretty well, thank you. And since you can't act normally and respectful, I will now deactivate your account. But I don't think you mind since you know it all already. There is another forum which I advise you, I won't link it though, but you must know which one I mean. Maybe you can participate there in the tons of bash/investigate Souza & Mo threads over there. Good luck and take care.
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Is anyone here familiar with the theory of vibrational energy? Just curious.
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Wow!
I read the blog post when it was first posted and have been going over it in my mind since then.
So far it is the MOST believable theory I've read that makes the MOST sense and has information to back it up.
While it's heartbreaking to think this may be true, I hope and pray that Michael is healing at this time if this is the case.
Thank you for posting this.
And to those who say it's bull$#!%, please bring information to back this up. I have yet to read anyone's post who says this but then backs it up with information that contradicts what was posted in the blog. :roll:
Honestly, I wish someone would because for this to be even remotely true is just terrible. :cry:
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Thanks for the post and all the hard work you put into it.
I am working out some details related to this theory/post.
If I come up with something interesting i will post it.
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Is anyone here familiar with the theory of vibrational energy? Just curious.
I have never heard of that one. Maybe you can start a new post and give us more info?
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I want to challage the statementabout being playfull at 28 years of age is not right in behavior. ie water guns... lots of people were playfull in the 1980s, we did the same thing, its just how it was in those days....
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All I can say is "WHAT A LOAD OF CROCK OF SHIT" Is all this.
Some people are so gullible that they deserve to be brain washed for real, if it actualy existed.
I admire the endurance and and the patients of the crack pot that actualy wrote this bunch of nonsense.
But mostly I feel sorry for the people that say they don't believe in "MEDIA" but actualy are somewhat persuaded to believe this crap.
Sorry Mo no offence to you or Sousa and I'm sure you don't actualy belive this nonsense you girls are way more mature and much more intelligent than this.
I must say though this person has a very colourful imagination, he/she would make millions if they ever decide to write a fictional script, so congrats are in order for the imagination only.
Thank you for reading
Regards Connie
someone can just as easily say, "WHAT A LOAD OF CROCK SHIT" to the fact that you believe michael is alive. and to be frank with you, at least there's been enormous amount of evidence and research done to show that the illuminati does exist and their history and what they stand for goes against everything michael stands for. michael has been a victim of this and i bet he would be pretty hurt to see that you think it's "A LOAD OF CROCK SHIT." what else do you think, "they don't care about us" is about?? how high schoolers don't think their teachers care about them? or something equally as stupid? so our thinking he's alive must also be "A LOAD OF CROCK SHIT." compare the evidence that points toward michael being alive to the evidence of the illuminati/NWO true agenda...maybe you'll feel stupid after doing some of your own research. then again, you probably won't, as you'll just ignore everything that doesn't fit into your bubble.
p.s., maybe you could learn a little more about something called respect from michael, since you adore him so much.
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I dont believe what I'm reading. People who dont believe the admins theory are faced with a brick wall of members and admin who straight away assume the person has no intelligence and has not "done their homework" <-- Disgraceful comment coming from an "admin".
If the admin of this site had done their homework they would know there is a lot more to it than what they have written, and most of what they've written is wrong.
This is not because I "dont believe in the illuminati/NWO" because I do so dont throw that back in my face as protection for your sites admin as it wont work.
Reading articles and watching films doesnt give you inside knowledge or psychological knowledge. The owners of this site are not psychologists (Although they may not claim to be it is still wrong) and shouldnt be feeding their members this stuff which you believe and praise the admin for.
Step outside of this forum if you want to learn about NWO, Illuminati and the connection with Michael Jackson. Do your own research
Dont be put down when people tell you you are stupid for not believing. READ! Then you will know part of the real truth behind it, and not what's being fed by two girls who have no idea what they're raving about.
I wonder how long this comment will be allowed to stay here for before it/I am removed.
It may be a "theory" but the theories you are writing appear full of truth to people who know nothing about it, putting them on a public forum is wrong. People put trust into a sites admin and you are misusing it!
Speak to doctors and psychologists, not the owners of a forum. Think logically before you put blind faith into people behind a computer screen.
Firt of all, you are entitled to your own opinion so your post will not be deleted.
We have stated I think 4!! times that this is a theory, maybe you missed that.
Also we never claimed to be psychologists, but we are not idiots either. We spent a LOT of time into this and I can assure you, it's no bull shit, the information is accurate and the link to Mike is not far fetched at all.
You may not agree with the fact that this is related to Mike, but that does not give you the right to belittle and bash us. It's a theory and people on this board are able to think for themselves, YOU are saying they are stupid with your post, not us. And YOU are stating this is BS, so who is the one here pretending to have the truth? Not us, YOU. Take a look in the mirror girl.
Funny thing is, that at first you claim we can't be psycologists by reading up, but then you advise members to go read and investigate themselves. So we can't get accurate info on the web or other sources, but the rest of the members can? Please explain.
Your comment is not helpful at all. Disagreement is fine, but explain WHY this can't be true, that is called discussion. What you are doing is bashing and accusing and since you are way smarter than the members apparently, because you do your own research (not my words guys, just a conclusion I get from her post), I would expect a more intelligent post with arguments.
Try to discuss with a little more grace next time, or I will remove you from this board. And no, not because you have a different opinion, but because your attitude is not suitable for the atmosphere of this forum.
I think good points are presented by all, but attitude is key!
Also, the reason people turn to forums like this is to connect with likeminded people and/or find out different views from normal everyday people. In our society today, it is extremely difficult to trust the opinions of "professionals", as it seems the majority are not trustworthy.
And now if we are going to talk about sources, let's again bring up that TMZ has been at the core of Michael Jackson's "death". The first to report on the entire thing. So if we aren't going to trust "average" people for Truth, then maybe we shouldn't trust a tabloid media source either.
Just food for thought.
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Just a quick response on the "twin" theory, if its a twin how can they have birthdays 21 days apart and why oh why have we never heard of this twin brother? Then again though we are just hearing about Marlon's twin brother, so I guess its a possibility but why the big difference in birthdays. You two are doing an excellent job I feel. Keep up the good work.
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Is anyone here familiar with the theory of vibrational energy? Just curious.
I have never heard of that one. Maybe you can start a new post and give us more info?
If you google "vibrational energy" you get all the info on every level (molecular, spiritual, personal).
People with vibrational energy are usely very attractive people.... guess whom I'm talking about :lol:
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Wow. I read all that and it's a lot to take in. I'll digest it and see what happens overnight. TY.
I just want to point out that the original release of Michael's Panther Dance video didn't have the graffiti in it. I watched the premiere of it on TV back in '91, so my mind better remembers it without the graffiti. I recall it was added after people kicked up a stink because "something something something unnecessary act of violence / bad influence" etc etc etc.. So they gave his spontaneous glass smashing moment a more positive social meaning that racism is bad bad bad and Michael is against it rah rah rah.. *Edit: The original interpretation of the car smashing was believed to be against his family, who I think he was really beginning to cut off financially at that time.. Also the stripping off in front of the Royal Arms Hotel may have been an attack on La Toya's playboy photos as you can spell "La Toya" from the neon letters. These are just some theories I remember being thrown around at the time. Thought they'd be worth mentioning. Trying to think of any others..
I have the original unedited Panther Dance clip and can upload it if desired..
And, The Blood on the Dancefloor cover. Michael is standing in the shape of a "7".
TY again. Still processing.
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Well... I had all night to mull it over and the illuminati thing is likely that is what happened to Michael; do I believe it? no, however, I could be proven wrong. Everything you said about the Illuminati sounds out there yet believable but I think this whole death hoax thing is a lot simpler than that. I don't see what the Illuminati will have to gain controlling Michael like that even though he is big on a global scale. What does he have that they want? Is there something they want to brainwash the public with so they use MJ since he is the world's biggest icon? Here's another theory, because his charactor had been seriously damaged but the false allegations and records sales were dropping dangerously low causing him to go into dept, what if he pulled this hoax cause he knew he would make more money being a dead man than if he were alive? Think about it. Record sales are high. There are Michael Jackson items all over the place and people are buying them. MJ is not selfish for doing that for this reason, he's a genious for it. Well.... he's a genious anyway but you get the point. I'm sorry but I'm inclined to disbelieve the alter ego split personality theory brought on by the Illuminati. The Vitilego turned his skin porcelin white, I get that, MJ wearing make up I believe to add color to his face bec porcelin white is too white. His mannerisms are that of a woman, Nah, I think his mannerisms suggests that he's a little bit timid which I can't blame him with the way he was brought up as a child and how the public abused his trust and made him out to be something he's not. His soft, feminine like voice, good reason for that, did you know that when you train your voice to reach the ultimate high tones in singing and you do it for years, your voice will stay at that height because the cords have been stretched to the limit? When your voice stays at that height and you are talking, your voice sounds soft in a feminine like nature. I call it an angels voice. I don't see different personalites in Michael, just different appearances for different songs. Also, people with a lack of childhood tends to relive out their childhood through adulthood. It's psychology. Michael was compinsating for the childhood he wasn't allowed to have. He was/is so full of love and expects love in return. That is not a bad thing bec he never felt that love growing up and so he is also compinsating for that through his chldren. He never molested any children. I don't believe that for a second. I think some parents were jelouse that he had a better relationship with their children than they do. This is my belief however, even though I don't believe, I will not dismiss the Illuminati theory completly for the simple fact I could be proven wrong in the end. I hope I didn't step on anyone's toes. I just thought that made a more simpler explanation for Michael's behavior, looks and mannerisms might be more believable. I believe he is alive and possibly well and MJ is the best, He is what the world needs. Once again I'm sorry if I offended anyone and I'm sorry for challenging the Illuminati and Mind Control theory. You could be right and I could be wrong, I don't know but I do know this, the truth will come out in the end.
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Is anyone here familiar with the theory of vibrational energy? Just curious.
Living One Vibrational Energy? lol
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Is anyone here familiar with the theory of vibrational energy? Just curious.
Yes, I am very familiar with this theory. It includes the Law of Attraction and is the basis of the idea behind The Secret.
Living On Vibrational Energy? lol
L.aw
O.f
V.ibrational
E.nergy
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I have also researched the Illuminati, Mk ULTRA (mind control), NWO and many many other subjects that are all related and interconnected for years.
I want to applaud Mo & Souza on their blog. Whether the theory is completely correct or not isn't the issue; all theories are proposed and then revised again and again. This is how theories work. Mind controlled Manchurian candidates, slaves etc really do exist and the means to achieve this has been researched and applied for many years. To believe that there is absolutely no possibility that there has been experimentation or the utilization of this disorder by secretive agencies is to truly be in denial of what is actually occurring in the world. The Nazi's (for one) committed unspeakable experiments and those scientists were brought to the US, given jobs within government agencies and their work was incorporated into these agencies...and it continued.
Multiple Personality Disorder as D.I.D. was previously known, can occur in anyone who has survived childhood trauma or abuse (especially sexual abuse). The fracturing of the individuals personality is a defensive mechanism. Each personality has certain characteristics but is an incomplete personality; not a fully developed personality. It is the compartmentalization of certain personality traits that allow the abuse survivor to continue to function. When an individual suffering from D.I.D. is in certain situations there may a different aspect of them that emerges to deal with each situation. For instance a child who experiences sexual abuse may have a personality that emerges every time the abuse occurs. After the incident this personality will recede and another will emerge that has no recollection of the abuse experience even having taken place. Each individual personality has their own traits, each has their own memories, and each has a function within the individual as a means for the person to survive.
From my education in psychology and my research on sexual abuse, this disorder and the nefarious elements working in our world, I think that this is a very plausible explanation as to what may have happened to Michael as a child. It is also appears that he did break free of this control, integration (partial or fully) may have also occurred. When even partial intergration occurs the memories of the individual personalities become part of the merging whole person. This would then make him aware of what had happened to him.
This to me would then explain why Invincible was not promoted, especially as the songs on this album seem to be full of clues about everything that is happening now. All of the false allegations and his crucification in the media also point to someone trying to destroy him, to turn the public against him as a means to silence him. If all of this really did occur and he regained lost memories etc he would have been a huge threat to the powers that be, those who are behind the creation of mind controlled slaves and the whole NWO. It's not a big leap to think that there really may have been an ongoing threat on Michael's life and this could absolutely be the reason behind any "Death Hoax". What better way to get some room to breathe and try to inform the public of what is happening? If those who wish to eliminate you think you are already dead than you are in a pretty safe position to wake the sleeping masses of fans who adore you...
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Is anyone here familiar with the theory of vibrational energy? Just curious.
I have never heard of that one. Maybe you can start a new post and give us more info?
If you google "vibrational energy" you get all the info on every level (molecular, spiritual, personal).
People with vibrational energy are usely very attractive people.... guess whom I'm talking about :lol:
Vibrational energy is a very interesting topic. I've been searching for possible alternative meanings for L.O.V.E. as it has always stood out to me as a clue. Check out this website, not sure how credible it is but the idea is very interesting. Perhaps it is something Michael is utilizing as he is "healing" during this time off?..... Let me know what you think everyone!
http://www.60daystohealth.com/LOVE-PAGE.html (http://www.60daystohealth.com/LOVE-PAGE.html)
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Vibrational energy is a very interesting topic. I've been searching for possible alternative meanings for L.O.V.E. as it has always stood out to me as a clue. Check out this website, not sure how credible it is but the idea is very interesting. Perhaps it is something Michael is utilizing as he is "healing" during this time off?..... Let me know what you think everyone!
http://www.60daystohealth.com/LOVE-PAGE.html (http://www.60daystohealth.com/LOVE-PAGE.html)[/quote]
I really like how they explain vibrational energy in regard to the human psyche. Our vibrational energy as a whole is rising. Love has a high vibration and fear is low, so we are moving closer towards love. :D
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Is anyone here familiar with the theory of vibrational energy? Just curious.
Yes, I am very familiar with this theory. It includes the Law of Attraction and is the basis of the idea behind The Secret.
Living On Vibrational Energy? lol
L.aw
O.f
V.ibrational
E.nergy
Thank you, Dove ;)
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I have given this a lot of thought over night and do believe there is probably a lot of truth to this. However, for these people to be able to make things happen to equal out their mathematical equasions would be nearly impossible. The human factor is involved and too many variables for mistakes, someone must be fudging the numbers somewhere or we are dealing with other worldly beings. In other words they cannot be as powerful as all the information I have read indicates. Most satanic religions and organizations thrive on fear. They use fear as their biggest weapon. Fear immobilizes and causes many to submit to whatever they are being told to believe and do. From the songs Michael has written we know he was shaking loose from this fear and starting to fight back. My hope is he has been able to become totally free of them and is in a safe place to heal. The biggest concern I have is if Michael is not out of their clutches and they are behind the hoax. If that is the case then we have a huge problem. With the illuminati's major goal being to set up a New World Order and set one "Global Leader" in place it could catastrophic if they still have Michael Jackson in their clutches. Many idolize him now...if he returns "after death" many would worship him and attribute to him deity. Under their influence he would be their puppet. I have been wondering if it was not them that put the thought in his head that he would like to disappear from the public and return to begin with. Two or more of his videos already dealt with this theme. It is scary indeed to even consider, but the NWO is already being discussed byOur President and other world leaders. The Pope has already called for a Global Government over the financial institutions. Trust me I am not saying this is the way it is heading. This is just a theory....but we are talking about some very evil people here folks. I am in no way trying to anger anyone or cause more fear. Just the opposite, we need not be afraid of them at all. We need to fight back! We need to expose them if they have truly done these horrible things to Michael Jackson. This Hoax has to be exposed! Whether it was orchastrated by Michael Jackson or the Illuminati.
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I had the same thoughts but came to the conclusion that mike is using this to spread the message
I have given this a lot of thought over night and do believe there is probably a lot of truth to this. However, for these people to be able to make things happen to equal out their mathematical equasions would be nearly impossible. The human factor is involved and too many variables for mistakes, someone must be fudging the numbers somewhere or we are dealing with other worldly beings. In other words they cannot be as powerful as all the information I have read indicates. Most satanic religions and organizations thrive on fear. They use fear as their biggest weapon. Fear immobilizes and causes many to submit to whatever they are being told to believe and do. From the songs Michael has written we know he was shaking loose from this fear and starting to fight back. My hope is he has been able to become totally free of them and is in a safe place to heal. The biggest concern I have is if Michael is not out of their clutches and they are behind the hoax. If that is the case then we have a huge problem. With the illuminati's major goal being to set up a New World Order and set one "Global Leader" in place it could catastrophic if they still have Michael Jackson in their clutches. Many idolize him now...if he returns "after death" many would worship him and attribute to him deity. Under their influence he would be their puppet. I have been wondering if it was not them that put the thought in his head that he would like to disappear from the public and return to begin with. Two or more of his videos already dealt with this theme. It is scary indeed to even consider, but the NWO is already being discussed byOur President and other world leaders. The Pope has already called for a Global Government over the financial institutions. Trust me I am not saying this is the way it is heading. This is just a theory....but we are talking about some very evil people here folks. I am in no way trying to anger anyone or cause more fear. Just the opposite, we need not be afraid of them at all. We need to fight back! We need to expose them if they have truly done these horrible things to Michael Jackson. This Hoax has to be exposed! Whether it was orchastrated by Michael Jackson or the Illuminati.
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Wow! This is very interesting. It certainly sounds possible, but also very impossible. These are things that we've seen in movies for the past several years - that we never believed could really happen. If this kind of stuff goes on for real, it's CRAZY! Is anybody watching the Conpiracy Theory TV show w/ Jesse Ventura????? He investigates stuff like this......
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I have given this a lot of thought over night and do believe there is probably a lot of truth to this. However, for these people to be able to make things happen to equal out their mathematical equasions would be nearly impossible. The human factor is involved and too many variables for mistakes, someone must be fudging the numbers somewhere or we are dealing with other worldly beings. In other words they cannot be as powerful as all the information I have read indicates. Most satanic religions and organizations thrive on fear. They use fear as their biggest weapon. Fear immobilizes and causes many to submit to whatever they are being told to believe and do. From the songs Michael has written we know he was shaking loose from this fear and starting to fight back. My hope is he has been able to become totally free of them and is in a safe place to heal. The biggest concern I have is if Michael is not out of their clutches and they are behind the hoax. If that is the case then we have a huge problem. With the illuminati's major goal being to set up a New World Order and set one "Global Leader" in place it could catastrophic if they still have Michael Jackson in their clutches. Many idolize him now...if he returns "after death" many would worship him and attribute to him deity. Under their influence he would be their puppet. I have been wondering if it was not them that put the thought in his head that he would like to disappear from the public and return to begin with. Two or more of his videos already dealt with this theme. It is scary indeed to even consider, but the NWO is already being discussed byOur President and other world leaders. The Pope has already called for a Global Government over the financial institutions. Trust me I am not saying this is the way it is heading. This is just a theory....but we are talking about some very evil people here folks. I am in no way trying to anger anyone or cause more fear. Just the opposite, we need not be afraid of them at all. We need to fight back! We need to expose them if they have truly done these horrible things to Michael Jackson. This Hoax has to be exposed! Whether it was orchastrated by Michael Jackson or the Illuminati.
Like "Left Behind." The movie with Curt Camron. What you are describing is the book of Revelations and I heard about the pope. My family doesn't believe that part but that can be believable because we are dealing with the end of times. The war, the strange weather changes, the ice melting in antartica, the hurricanes in different states so what you said does sound convincing.
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Wow! This is very interesting. It certainly sounds possible, but also very impossible. These are things that we've seen in movies for the past several years - that we never believed could really happen. If this kind of stuff goes on for real, it's CRAZY! Is anybody watching the Conpiracy Theory TV show w/ Jesse Ventura????? He investigates stuff like this......
Indeed, it's hard to wrap your head around. Sorry haven't seen the show.
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I have been reading about the Illuminati, and I've rarely felt so jittery and disgusted and horrified, and like I don't know who to trust. That disgusting torture they'd do to children as well..it just infuriates me to think that they'd take perfectly good human beings and screwing with them for no good reason.. I've been fretting so much over whether they'd done anything to Michael, but after reading this.. I broke down in tears, I prayed to God that it isn't true, but if it is, I pray that Michael suffered as little as possible.. Nobody has ever affected me like Michael has, thinking about him suffering through this, about all his life's hardships being caused by a couple of greedy people.. That is just horrible, disgusting, wicked, evil, it's straightup evil.. God, I'm so upset about this..!! Why do humans have to do these things?! Why do some of us feel the need to torment and control others like this, to manipulate and destroy them?!
We need to bring them down, we need to destroy them, they just can't get away with harming Michael and others like that!! I absolutely despise thinking of him in their clutches, right where they wanted him.. We need to fight, I'm so enraged I wish I knew someone would just bomb wherever they are right now.. I know they think we're all morons, I do love video games and TV and whatnot myself, but I still also read a lot and use my brain! Most folks I know and my entire are pretty smart, and they question things in the media as well- they're underestimating us, all the people..
Mo and Souza, you were right about this being very hard to read.. but it does need to be thought about, I pray it isn't so, but it is possible.. We have to spread awareness if we want to tear them limb from limb..
Also, doesn't it upset you all here to think that maybe he did have these alter egos like that? I mean, I personally hate the thought..
I wish and hope and pray that it's just been one Michael, and not a kid and especially not a girl.. that just.. I don't know, it makes me so angry and upset..
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Wow! This is very interesting. It certainly sounds possible, but also very impossible. These are things that we've seen in movies for the past several years - that we never believed could really happen. If this kind of stuff goes on for real, it's CRAZY! Is anybody watching the Conpiracy Theory TV show w/ Jesse Ventura????? He investigates stuff like this......
I am watching that show and I feel Jesse Ventura is trying to uncover stuff that the NWO doesn't want uncovered. So he may be the next one to mysteriously die... just wait. I'm surprised that they are showing that stuff.
On the NWO subject, this is definitely real. They all met up at Vatican the same day of Memorial... some distraction huh. And if you go into their site, you will see their proposed agenda... including fake return of the messiah. God, I hope this isn't a setup orchestrated by the NWO and using this hoax death situation. That is the big question? Was this idea planted in MJ mind many yrs ago and were events that took place done on purpose to push him into making this decision... or was this decision already implanted in the mind... a part of a bigger of a bigger plan for others? Are we being taken down a yellow brick road... only the wrong one? OK, I'll stop, cause my head is just aching as I think that we might be involved in part of someone else's evil agenda. Well, I am ready for that padded cell now.
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Firstly I do not want to hurt anyone, if you do not believe at all or you do not want to read this, I took you to leave!
We do not insult for a theory, we discuss calmly Thanks!
If there is a true Monarch Slave which show its colors,
Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson !
Read, Watch, Compare ... it is obvious hallucinating !
If after this you still do not believe, stop reading Illuminati topic!
PEACE AND LOVE BRO
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This heraldic image is a reflection of King Arthur and his Knights of the Round Table; set round as sentinels ('in lodge') of the Sangreal, or Holy Grail. The badge is a heraldic symbol for the knights and a substitution for the sword. The Round Table was designed for 12 knights and Arthur (12 + 1, Christ and His 12 disciples, the Sun and 12 signs of the Zodiac). Elvis is sitting on the 'Siege Perilous', which is reserved for the best knight, Sir Galahad. The pure white rose they wear is symbolical of the heart of the Invisible Helper; the red roses stand for his cleansed blood; the white cross brings to mind his body; and the golden star represents the golden wedding garment which is made by pure living.
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"Taking Care of Business without thinking"
Edward Bernay: "If you can influence the leaders, either with or without their conscious cooperation, you automatically influence the group which they sway".
Elvis and MKULTRA.
Government and media institutions in the 50's were lead by Freudian 'psychoanalysts' who sought to control the order in society by supressing the animalistic nature of people. In the late 50's the Elvis phenomenon was seen as an 'unknown' anthropological threat to society which had to be studied and controled. By the time Elvis joined the service the US army was already a test ground for the MKULTRA project that involved drug related experiments to modify human behaviour for the purpose of subliminal control. MKULTRA operated secretly between '51 and 75' but was exposed to the public in the summer of 1977. The project involved 'hermetic societies' who used resources of kabbalah and Freud's 'Psychoanalyses' to perform experiments in the field of mind control, group consciousness and bicameralism*. Bicameralism creats a link to the behaviour of humans and social insects like ants, it suggests that the experience and desire of one person can influence the behaviour of a whole society. This experiment required the involvement of a charismatic figure who had captured the mind, heart and imagination of the public and noone fitted that part better then Elvis. We'll see that most of Elvis's favorite books covered this very subject, reincarnation, apotheosis, mind control, gnostic christianity, etc.
THE SCIENCE OF BODY MANIPULATION & PROGRAMMING
You remember June 22 when Michael made a call to the emergency clinic?
Remember what he said!
One side of my body is hot, it's hot,
and one side of my body is cold. It's very cold
BODY CONTROL CHECH HERE GO TO LETTER -E- (http://www.xs4all.nl/~sm4csi/nwo/MindControl/chapter08_Science_of_Body_Manipulation.htm)
Ohhh! .. and what can we read?
Control the temperature of individual body parts or sides of the body--such as the right side of the body might get hot, and the left side of the body get ice cold. Fritz has observed this by touching the left and right sides of a victim who was burning hot on the right and ice cold on the left.
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These two kings of the music have followed the same path, for me it is very clear.
While the two were Rosicrucian, Elvis appears much and he never spoke against them, he believed! But he died too young still like Michael.
The experiments on their bodies to make them efficient killed them.
Handled both in the same way for controlling our minds!
Continue to read the link, you will discover a lot!
BODY CONTROL CHECH HERE GO TO LETTER -E- (http://www.xs4all.nl/~sm4csi/nwo/MindControl/chapter08_Science_of_Body_Manipulation.htm)
Ah! I see that say Michael Jackson
was more Rosicrucian at the end?
Check this ... with Crown, Lion and numbers 777,
there is something very clear.
We see a second in TII
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Yes that's the Rosicrucian symbol in the center with a rose !
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You do not believe it yet? There a *Tree of life*
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But one last thing, Michael and Elvis was GIANT regardless of whether they were manipulated or not, by these fuckers shit.
I still love them and I pray you love Elvis and Michael because they are not guilty of anything, except to have their love public.
These are the two largest, but there has been other (Jim Morrison, Jimmy Hendrix) and many others who have fallen, because their only idea was to LOVE their fans.
And just to love God will forgive them if they were sins. Nobody can deprive them of their love and their talents.
Thank you for reading .. PEACE ALL OF YOU!
TAU CROSS RESURRECTION
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*This is it* definition (MY OWN IDEA)
TII - II(roman= 2) = TWO (TAU)
*T* its a TAU Cross ancien egyptien Cross (RESURRECTION CROSS)
First *HIS* for (his for him Michael)
SECOND *IS* for ISLAM
HISIS (isis) =Goddess of life (Illuminati worship)
*IT* = Illuminati (mirror)
T (his) HISIS IT = The resurrection of Michael Jackson
Need I remind you that Michael had converted to Islam?
You bELIeve or beLIEve ? has your choice!
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Do not believe everything you read, do your investigations yourself, and if you found some interesting things to admission, do not hesitate to post ... it always leads to other ideas.
I have something else to say, OWN=NWO , but it is another thing!
Take Care!
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Hmm ... I say red roses? ...L.O.V.E
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[youtube:1m6j5jw0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4EOw8wPBN8[/youtube:1m6j5jw0]
The first scene, and introduction, to the 1957 film "The Three Faces of Eve"
[youtube:1m6j5jw0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C443ridfynk[/youtube:1m6j5jw0]
This is a portion of a session filmed between "Eve" and her therapist. At this point "Eve" had been in therapy for sometime and the therapist is discussing the possibility of integration of the 3 personalities.
Interesting to note that these 3 personalities names are...
Eve WHITE
Eve BLACK
Jane
[youtube:1m6j5jw0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDkk6Qs8Vr0[/youtube:1m6j5jw0]
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Thanks a lot for posting these videos Serenitys_Dream, they're excellent!
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What you are describing is the book of Revelations and I heard about the pope. My family doesn't believe that part but that can be believable because we are dealing with the end of times. The war, the strange weather changes, the ice melting in antartica, the hurricanes in different states so what you said does sound convincing.
I don't want to sound too fending, but "the near end of times" resulted already in:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 540209.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/18/newsid_2540000/2540209.stm)
[Then Jones, who had built long been an atmosphere of fear and constant threat from outside, poked in his followers a kind of doomsday scenario.]
http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=de&tl=en (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.welt.de%2Fvermischtes%2Farticle2744410%2FJonestown-ein-Sektenmassaker-schockt-die-Welt.html&sl=de&tl=en)
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... %2C00.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpanorama%2F0%2C1518%2C69598%2C00.html)
We are not beginning to spread fear in this forum about the "end of times" and we are not inventing a new religion around Michael Jackson as new "saviour" to the world.
There have always been phantasies about how little every individual is on this planet and how little we can do and move. That there are "big nuts" that are saying what we must do for them.
Let me tell you that this is just not true.
Everybody can do A LOT positive or negative to this world - just as you decide on every day whether it will be a good one or a bad one from your attitude and perception.
Dare doing yourself. You CAN do yourself.
The more you do yourself, the less you will be thinking of others.
The more you are actively deciding how to rule your day yourself, the less you will experience and even think about others ruling your day.
The more passive you remain, the more power you will give to others to rule your day.
It's thus up to you.
God knows that every morning, every second of your life you are free to decide about your life.
Furthermore, U.S. citizens, European citizens and citizens of many other countries are sharing the precious gift of freedom of thought and freedom of speech, which is precious and a minority privilege on this planet. There is - other than in many countries - no wall keeping you from packing your things and going to another country if you don't like where you are living.
I don't agree with you on "the big bosses are ruling the world" if you haven't packed yourself together to DO something and you have not experienced any wall that keeps you from doing so.
And if you had to face a wall of difficulties then I'd like to encourage you to climb over it as generations of people have done before you.
We like to watch ourselves theorizing about the "madness of the world" (in the worst putting our hero Michael Jackson in danger), applauding to new possibilities of potential dangers reaching out for passive victims. Do we really like so much to be passive victims? It seems so.
Are we so prone to persistent negative influence of media that we forget about the good sides of life and the positive influences and that ACTION is one of the meanings of our life?
Switching off negative influences in our personal little world and switching on positive influences? This starts with noise pollution, media pollution, mind pollution. Just switch it off! Who urges you to watch soaps, read comics, be hooked on reality shows? Did you spell that name? "r e a l i t y s h o w s" - well as if I didn't have a reality myself, I need the "real" reality to be shown to me? This is all garbage and just switch it off! That is your freedom.
We have thousands of TV channels now to choose from - or throw your TV out of the window if you want to go extreme. Also good.
One of the persons that is most active in positive ways is Michael Jackson.
He is no hero from that. He is a brilliant example of what should be done.
There are many many more people getting into action after all and I am really impressed by the positive avalanche since 06/25.
Every 6 seconds a child is dying from thirst.
I dare you.
Spread the L.O.V.E. not fear.
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What you are describing is the book of Revelations and I heard about the pope. My family doesn't believe that part but that can be believable because we are dealing with the end of times. The war, the strange weather changes, the ice melting in antartica, the hurricanes in different states so what you said does sound convincing.
I don't want to sound too fending, but "the near end of times" resulted already in:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 540209.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/18/newsid_2540000/2540209.stm)
[Then Jones, who had built long been an atmosphere of fear and constant threat from outside, poked in his followers a kind of doomsday scenario.]
http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=de&tl=en (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.welt.de%2Fvermischtes%2Farticle2744410%2FJonestown-ein-Sektenmassaker-schockt-die-Welt.html&sl=de&tl=en)
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... %2C00.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpanorama%2F0%2C1518%2C69598%2C00.html)
We are not beginning to spread fear in this forum about the "end of times" and we are not inventing a new religion around Michael Jackson as new "saviour" to the world.
There have always been phantasies about how little every individual is on this planet and how little we can do and move. That there are "big nuts" that are saying what we must do for them.
Let me tell you that this is just not true.
Everybody can do A LOT positive or negative to this world - just as you decide on every day whether it will be a good one or a bad one from your attitude and perception.
Dare doing yourself. You CAN do yourself.
The more you do yourself, the less you will be thinking of others.
The more you are actively deciding how to rule your day yourself, the less you will experience and even think about others ruling your day.
The more passive you remain, the more power you will give to others to rule your day.
It's thus up to you.
God knows that every morning, every second of your life you are free to decide about your life.
Furthermore, U.S. citizens, European citizens and citizens of many other countries are sharing the precious gift of freedom of thought and freedom of speech, which is precious and a minority privilege on this planet. There is - other than in many countries - no wall keeping you from packing your things and going to another country if you don't like where you are living.
I don't agree with you on "the big bosses are ruling the world" if you haven't packed yourself together to DO something and you have not experienced any wall that keeps you from doing so.
And if you had to face a wall of difficulties then I'd like to encourage you to climb over it as generations of people have done before you.
We like to watch ourselves theorizing about the "madness of the world" (in the worst putting our hero Michael Jackson in danger), applauding to new possibilities of potential dangers reaching out for passive victims. Do we really like so much to be passive victims? It seems so.
Are we so prone to persistent negative influence of media that we forget about the good sides of life and the positive influences and that ACTION is one of the meanings of our life?
Switching off negative influences in our personal little world and switching on positive influences? This starts with noise pollution, media pollution, mind pollution. Just switch it off! Who urges you to watch soaps, read comics, be hooked on reality shows? Did you spell that name? "r e a l i t y s h o w s" - well as if I didn't have a reality myself, I need the "real" reality to be shown to me? This is all garbage and just switch it off! That is your freedom.
We have thousands of TV channels now to choose from - or throw your TV out of the window if you want to go extreme. Also good.
One of the persons that is most active in positive ways is Michael Jackson.
He is no hero from that. He is a brilliant example of what should be done.
There are many many more people getting into action after all and I am really impressed by the positive avalanche since 06/25.
Every 6 seconds a child is dying from thirst.
I dare you.
Spread the L.O.V.E. not fear.
that was a beautiful post
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Some videos on post-traumatic-stress and D.I.D. are these:
Psychological disorders following exposure to trauma include personal suffering, decreased productivity, occupational and social dysfunction, medical disorders and demands on health services. In this talk, Drs. Zoellner and Bryant review current research associated with the persistence of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and the variety of viable options that exist for treatment.
[youtube:2z3i77r6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4xWUgykSEw[/youtube:2z3i77r6]
Captain Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger's says that he and his crew experienced post-traumatic stress after the January 15, 2009 incident on the Hudson River.
[youtube:2z3i77r6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14tMyDZsXIM[/youtube:2z3i77r6]
D.I.D.
BBC HardTalk Interviews the first person diagnosed with Multiple Personality Disorder whose Clinical History led to determining, diagnosing and treating this condition and asks her about her past, the road to recovery and how she fares in the here and now.
[youtube:2z3i77r6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLGluMf-cH8[/youtube:2z3i77r6]
[youtube:2z3i77r6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXHD9eq77js[/youtube:2z3i77r6]
[youtube:2z3i77r6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laAryE9Hgkw[/youtube:2z3i77r6]
Former star NFL running back and Heisman Trophy winner Herschel Walker discusses his experiences with Dissociative Identity Disorder:
[youtube:2z3i77r6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRY7Oj-dl3o[/youtube:2z3i77r6]
Now think about war veterans at your home country, your home town, coming back from Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq. Think about war victims. Will you knock at their doors and sit down with them? Just show you are there for them?
Now think about traumatized AIDS orphans in villages without mothers and fathers.
Think about child soldiers in Uganda.
Will you lend a helping hand, become a friend or parent to one of those, maybe even adopt one of these children to give a perspective to future?
(If Michael suffered alike, he has all support to get over it.
Those kids and victims have nobody.)
I dare you.
Stand up and just do it.
Spread L.O.V.E. not fear.
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i had PTSD according to my doctor through the abuse of my step father :( its some serious tough stuff...
Spreading the lovve L.O.V.E. Michael one person at a time!! I love You More!!! :D :D :D
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Michael will have my support no matter what. I think - and know he has been misunderstood by people and that has to stop.
But I have a feeling this is all a ploy to divert us.
That is just MY OPINION and I'm not being rude to anyone or disrespectful. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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It IS tough stuff and needs years of dedication and honesty and bravery to get over.
One third of my female school fellows had been raped or sexually abused when I left school.
These are only the cases that I knew about. It happenes everywhere, it is not a joke.
You may just not know about it in your neighborhood.
Now add to that the violence victims, the mobbing victims, the stalking victims and you'll know what our societies are about.
There is an immense immediate need of support, help and L.O.V.E. around you!
If Michael suffered any alike, he is not the only one who needs help.
I am not saying that everybody will develop an issue in personality or an illness from violence.
I am saying that it is and happens there right before your eyes and you don't see it.
AND MORE IMPORTANT:
victims are made victims again and again by the way they are being perceived by others.
Victims are branded victims again and again by third persons.
Victims are victimized again and again when their trauma is being discussed in public.
This way they cannot heal.
I am touched by the microscopic way we are taking Michael apart in many aspects.
Not only appearance, performance, skin, eyes, moves, apparel, hairstyle, wigs and on and on it goes.
Now we are dissecting his psychic being. And whether he did this or that due to this or that external (of course malicious) influence. We are in fact saying that he was a puppet on the string when in the same moment we are saying that he was controlling what he did.
What now?
Doesn't this give you some bad taste in your mouth?
I know that we all want to know why 6/25 happened.
But weren't we given (as a gift for us) already so many indications of what went on, what is going on and what will be going on?
Can't we calm down and get patient and wait?
And let Michael be where he is for his reasons and come back or not for his reasons?
What kind of love is this digging and digging into the other? Just asking.
We want to know and we will know one day. But not by taking him apart. This is disgraceful IMHO.
I dare you.
Spread L.O.V.E. not fear.
This is not it if you keep walking on the bright side of life. ;-)
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Not quite on or off topic, but an interesting connection.
Michael Jackson - Stephen King - Johnny Depp
Secret Window
Novel Secret Window, Secret Garden written by Stephen King (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_King) (Ghosts)
Willy Wonka, Johnny Depp, Michael Jackson thread (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2786)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Window (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Window)
Plot extract: "Prompting from his own conscience leads Mort to the realization that Shooter is not real, only a figment of Mort's imagination brought so vividly to life through undetected dissociative identity disorder to personify the dark side of Mort's personality and to commit acts that Mort himself feels he could not commit (murder and arson)."
[youtube:3svx9hv3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5PWbTseMx0[/youtube:3svx9hv3]
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In Secret Window the main character has mulitiple personalities a few days ago when I found out what happened to Michael this movie made me instantly think about Michael, the mirror image is in it, shattered glass, mulitiple personalities and so on.
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I am touched by the microscopic way we are taking Michael apart in many aspects.
Not only appearance, performance, skin, eyes, moves, apparel, hairstyle, wigs and on and on it goes.
Now we are dissecting his psychic being. And whether he did this or that due to this or that external (of course malicious) influence. We are in fact saying that he was a puppet on the string when in the same moment we are saying that he was controlling what he did.
What now?
Doesn't this give you some bad taste in your mouth?
I know that we all want to know why 6/25 happened.
But weren't we given (as a gift for us) already so many indications of what went on, what is going on and what will be going on?
Can't we calm down and get patient and wait?
And let Michael be where he is for his reasons and come back or not for his reasons?
What kind of love is this digging and digging into the other? Just asking.
We want to know and we will know one day. But not by taking him apart. This is disgraceful IMHO.
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Some great and helpful posts Grace, but this part I do not really understand. We are investigating here why Mike hoaxed his death, and unfortunately we HAVE to dig into his life, to see where he is coming from and what his purpose is. I know there is a bigger picture here, but everyone needs to understand WHY he does this. I was shocked when I read about all this and I am sure there are a LOT of people that didn't know this either.
We need to make people aware what is happening to the world and I believe Mike is showing us by showing his own life. Believe me, I have felt guilty many times by investigating all his features and habits, but if I hadn't done it, I would never have known what I know now. I needed to take him apart to see the bigger picture, others might as well need to do that. We all have a path we need to walk to get our eyes opened. I live in a very good neighborhood, I always have. My world has been small and safe all my life. The news I have watched all my life turns out to be manipulated. I have always been skeptical about a lot of thing, but since June 25 I started thinking about it, about the BS they tell us. How did I get this far now? By digging into Mike's life, by investigating almost every inch of his body. Do I feel guilty about that? Yes, in a way. Am I disgraceful? No. I have had a terrible few weeks reading up on all this. I have the utmost respect for Mike and I will defend him to the bone, no matter what. Mo & I have never been disgraceful, unlike a lot of people might think. His story has to be told, to let people see the problems we are facing in this world. And yes, it starts with ourselves, you are right about that, but everyone needs that little push to get away from their TV screen.
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I am touched by the microscopic way we are taking Michael apart in many aspects.
Not only appearance, performance, skin, eyes, moves, apparel, hairstyle, wigs and on and on it goes.
Now we are dissecting his psychic being. And whether he did this or that due to this or that external (of course malicious) influence. We are in fact saying that he was a puppet on the string when in the same moment we are saying that he was controlling what he did.
What now?
Doesn't this give you some bad taste in your mouth?
I know that we all want to know why 6/25 happened.
But weren't we given (as a gift for us) already so many indications of what went on, what is going on and what will be going on?
Can't we calm down and get patient and wait?
And let Michael be where he is for his reasons and come back or not for his reasons?
What kind of love is this digging and digging into the other? Just asking.
We want to know and we will know one day. But not by taking him apart. This is disgraceful IMHO.
I dare you.
Spread L.O.V.E. not fear.
This is not it if you keep walking on the bright side of life. ;-)
Oh Grace! Thank you for saying this! I've been meaning to say this for so long but I couldnt put it in words ( damn language barrier).
You are absolutely right.
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I am touched by the microscopic way we are taking Michael apart in many aspects.
Not only appearance, performance, skin, eyes, moves, apparel, hairstyle, wigs and on and on it goes.
Now we are dissecting his psychic being. And whether he did this or that due to this or that external (of course malicious) influence. We are in fact saying that he was a puppet on the string when in the same moment we are saying that he was controlling what he did.
What now?
Doesn't this give you some bad taste in your mouth?
I know that we all want to know why 6/25 happened.
But weren't we given (as a gift for us) already so many indications of what went on, what is going on and what will be going on?
Can't we calm down and get patient and wait?
And let Michael be where he is for his reasons and come back or not for his reasons?
What kind of love is this digging and digging into the other? Just asking.
We want to know and we will know one day. But not by taking him apart. This is disgraceful IMHO.
I dare you.
Spread L.O.V.E. not fear.
This is not it if you keep walking on the bright side of life. ;-)
Oh Grace! Thank you for saying this! I've been meaning to say this for so long but I couldnt put it in words ( damn language barrier).
You are absolutely right.
You are both taking the words right out of my mouth. I agree.
Thank you for posting this, it is exactly how I feel. It is what I meant when I said I whish I could have stayed just being a fan instead of an 'investigator'. Of course I still want to know what really happened, but now at least I understand why I'm having these mixed feelings.
Thanks again.
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I am touched by the microscopic way we are taking Michael apart in many aspects.
Not only appearance, performance, skin, eyes, moves, apparel, hairstyle, wigs and on and on it goes.
Now we are dissecting his psychic being. And whether he did this or that due to this or that external (of course malicious) influence. We are in fact saying that he was a puppet on the string when in the same moment we are saying that he was controlling what he did.
What now?
Doesn't this give you some bad taste in your mouth?
I know that we all want to know why 6/25 happened.
But weren't we given (as a gift for us) already so many indications of what went on, what is going on and what will be going on?
Can't we calm down and get patient and wait?
And let Michael be where he is for his reasons and come back or not for his reasons?
What kind of love is this digging and digging into the other? Just asking.
We want to know and we will know one day. But not by taking him apart. This is disgraceful IMHO.
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Some great and helpful posts Grace, but this part I do not really understand. We are investigating here why Mike hoaxed his death, and unfortunately we HAVE to dig into his life, to see where he is coming from and what his purpose is. I know there is a bigger picture here, but everyone needs to understand WHY he does this. I was shocked when I read about all this and I am sure there are a LOT of people that didn't know this either.
We need to make people aware what is happening to the world and I believe Mike is showing us by showing his own life. Believe me, I have felt guilty many times by investigating all his features and habits, but if I hadn't done it, I would never have known what I know now. I needed to take him apart to see the bigger picture, others might as well need to do that. We all have a path we need to walk to get our eyes opened. I live in a very good neighborhood, I always have. My world has been small and safe all my life. The news I have watched all my life turns out to be manipulated. I have always been skeptical about a lot of thing, but since June 25 I started thinking about it, about the BS they tell us. How did I get this far now? By digging into Mike's life, by investigating almost every inch of his body. Do I feel guilty about that? Yes, in a way. Am I disgraceful? No. I have had a terrible few weeks reading up on all this. I have the utmost respect for Mike and I will defend him to the bone, no matter what. Mo & I have never been disgraceful, unlike a lot of people might think. His story has to be told, to let people see the problems we are facing in this world. And yes, it starts with ourselves, you are right about that, but everyone needs that little push to get away from their TV screen.
Thank you Souza for your reply, you took the words right out of my mouth. Calm down, get patient and wait is exactly the opposite of what Mike wants us to do. I'm really starting to wonder why we are urged to do so, but statements like these only encourage me to go on and follow the path you and I have chosen to walk! Let's continue!
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I absolutely agree with both Mo and Souza!
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All of this information is mind boggling to say the least. I admire all of you who have taken the time to do this much research! Has anyone considered the initials MJ that is on the front page of this site? Where did you guys find it? Was it on one of his albums? When I first found this site and saw the initials in that shape it gave me a bad feeling....now I realize why.
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~Hello All,
I see where Grace is coming from in her last post, and indeed I've been very impressed by the intelligent and eloquent way Grace has expressed views on how humanity can lift it's eyes from our somewhat narrow and self involved path.
HOWEVER, I do wish to take issue that we are somehow 'degrading' Michael by the amount of analysis which has taken place post 6/25. The site is an INVESTIGATION site, that is it's purpose. ~Although Michael is loved here, and we feel aggrieved at the way much of his life has been scrutinised by those other than the people here, this was never set up as a fan based site, but one in which people were invited to forensically examine the obviously strange and discordant events of June 25th and beyond.
Souza and Mo are , I believe, trying to remain as dispassionate as they can in order to unravel what I am sure is a series of events which are leading to an examination of what was EVER true in our world, and Michael's.
They really have a job on their hands here, but they do this with good grace and with a heart.
I know whereof I speak.........
Gabriel
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I am touched by the microscopic way we are taking Michael apart in many aspects.
Not only appearance, performance, skin, eyes, moves, apparel, hairstyle, wigs and on and on it goes.
Now we are dissecting his psychic being. And whether he did this or that due to this or that external (of course malicious) influence. We are in fact saying that he was a puppet on the string when in the same moment we are saying that he was controlling what he did.
What now?
Doesn't this give you some bad taste in your mouth?
I know that we all want to know why 6/25 happened.
But weren't we given (as a gift for us) already so many indications of what went on, what is going on and what will be going on?
Can't we calm down and get patient and wait?
And let Michael be where he is for his reasons and come back or not for his reasons?
What kind of love is this digging and digging into the other? Just asking.
We want to know and we will know one day. But not by taking him apart. This is disgraceful IMHO.
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Some great and helpful posts Grace, but this part I do not really understand. We are investigating here why Mike hoaxed his death, and unfortunately we HAVE to dig into his life, to see where he is coming from and what his purpose is. I know there is a bigger picture here, but everyone needs to understand WHY he does this. I was shocked when I read about all this and I am sure there are a LOT of people that didn't know this either.
We need to make people aware what is happening to the world and I believe Mike is showing us by showing his own life. Believe me, I have felt guilty many times by investigating all his features and habits, but if I hadn't done it, I would never have known what I know now. I needed to take him apart to see the bigger picture, others might as well need to do that. We all have a path we need to walk to get our eyes opened. I live in a very good neighborhood, I always have. My world has been small and safe all my life. The news I have watched all my life turns out to be manipulated. I have always been skeptical about a lot of thing, but since June 25 I started thinking about it, about the BS they tell us. How did I get this far now? By digging into Mike's life, by investigating almost every inch of his body. Do I feel guilty about that? Yes, in a way. Am I disgraceful? No. I have had a terrible few weeks reading up on all this. I have the utmost respect for Mike and I will defend him to the bone, no matter what. Mo & I have never been disgraceful, unlike a lot of people might think. His story has to be told, to let people see the problems we are facing in this world. And yes, it starts with ourselves, you are right about that, but everyone needs that little push to get away from their TV screen.
Thank you Souza for your reply, you took the words right out of my mouth. Calm down, get patient and wait is exactly the opposite of what Mike wants us to do. I'm really starting to wonder why we are urged to do so, but statements like these only encourage me to go on and follow the path you and I have chosen to walk! Let's continue!
Thanks to all for taking the time to comment.
I think however in some aspect I could not get across what I am thinking.
I am not comfortable with taking Michael apart. If I could I would rather run and hide him from more and deeper microscopes.
Tattering on negative intention was done to him so many times that I am wondering whether he didn't get any walrus skin already. I think he didn't. But maybe this time he was willing to let it all happen because the cause is bigger than his personal ego. I don't know.
I know that we are not intending to hurt him by looking into his life. But it will hurt anyway.
And this is my concern.
Because this is the last thing that should happen - getting hurt from those you love.
You have noticed well that I am not saying we should sit and do nothing.
The contrary is the case. We should get up and stand tall and get heard and unite our voices and get our feet, hands and brains working.
But not to get into action concerning Michael - this is what I mean:
can't we leave him in peace as much as possible and wait patiently for him to come back in his time? How can we protect him if at all?
And meanwhile do what is necessary? Not in direction to Michael but to what we have identified as required action? And what's about the consequences for us as individual and as a group then - what is the required action, how should it be organized - if - are we yet clear on this?
Where are we going from here?
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~Hello All,
I see where Grace is coming from in her last post, and indeed I've been very impressed by the intelligent and eloquent way Grace has expressed views on how humanity can lift it's eyes from our somewhat narrow and self involved path.
HOWEVER, I do wish to take issue that we are somehow 'degrading' Michael by the amount of analysis which has taken place post 6/25. The site is an INVESTIGATION site, that is it's purpose. ~Although Michael is loved here, and we feel aggrieved at the way much of his life has been scrutinised by those other than the people here, this was never set up as a fan based site, but one in which people were invited to forensically examine the obviously strange and discordant events of June 25th and beyond.
Souza and Mo are , I believe, trying to remain as dispassionate as they can in order to unravel what I am sure is a series of events which are leading to an examination of what was EVER true in our world, and Michael's.
They really have a job on their hands here, but they do this with good grace and with a heart.
I know whereof I speak.........
Gabriel
I appreciate what you are saying and somewhat agree but it doesn't take away the akward feeling of dissection. Don't know if you ever, during biology classes maybe, dissected something or scrutinized it. Somehow, sometimes, it feels as if I'm invading his privacy, and being a fan is no excuse for doing so...
Besides I don't think Grace's post has anything fan based about it, it is more about respect and about the way she feels about the whole thing and I, along with other people, happen to agree with her point of view..
And for the record, I don't think we are INVESTIGATORS, we are just people, not professionals (hence some misunderstandings..lol) who liked (as a European, I liked him, not loved him, I love my husband and like Michael... small but huge difference :D )his music, his genius, his way of thinking .
And let's all be honest about it, we all want to know what went down that day and we all want to know how Michael is etc., but I doubt if those sincere feelings of worry give us the right to dissect him... Some things are really very personal and better left that way. and Michael for one, sometimes even obsessively guarded his privacy..
And for the life of me, I can't see the importance of 'golden pants' on this INVESTIGATION site as you put it, nor how his children look, or whether they are his or are they black or white... c'mon, these things are in no way related to the events of 6/25, they are just what they are..private, no more, and certainly no less..
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I would also like 2 add that he has been "degraded" his whole adult life, let's not forget the photos during the 1st allegations, so what we are doing is far from that. We are looking into his life in a positive way to get a better undertand of him as a man, not the sub human person the media tried to make him. We are not "prying" To knock him down like they did. We are trying to build him back up
Idk about you but the more I learn the more I respect him. Pre june 25th I loved mike as a performer only, now that I am "discovering the man I never knew" words can not discribe the admiration I have for him! And I really hope he is with the NBP because we, especially black people, need it!
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I would also like 2 add that he has been "degraded" his whole adult life, let's not forget the photos during the 1st allegations, so what we are doing is far from that. We are looking into his life in a positive way to get a better undertand of him as a man, not the sub human person the media tried to make him. We are not "prying" To knock him down like they did. We are trying to build him back up
Idk about you but the more I learn the more I respect him. Pre june 25th I loved mike as a performer only, now that I am "discovering the man I never knew" words can not discribe the admiration I have for him! And I really hope he is with the NBP because we, especially black people, need it!
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
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~Hello All,
I see where Grace is coming from in her last post, and indeed I've been very impressed by the intelligent and eloquent way Grace has expressed views on how humanity can lift it's eyes from our somewhat narrow and self involved path.
HOWEVER, I do wish to take issue that we are somehow 'degrading' Michael by the amount of analysis which has taken place post 6/25. The site is an INVESTIGATION site, that is it's purpose. ~Although Michael is loved here, and we feel aggrieved at the way much of his life has been scrutinised by those other than the people here, this was never set up as a fan based site, but one in which people were invited to forensically examine the obviously strange and discordant events of June 25th and beyond.
Souza and Mo are , I believe, trying to remain as dispassionate as they can in order to unravel what I am sure is a series of events which are leading to an examination of what was EVER true in our world, and Michael's.
They really have a job on their hands here, but they do this with good grace and with a heart.
I know whereof I speak.........
Gabriel
I appreciate what you are saying and somewhat agree but it doesn't take away the akward feeling of dissection. Don't know if you ever, during biology classes maybe, dissected something or scrutinized it. Somehow, sometimes, it feels as if I'm invading his privacy, and being a fan is no excuse for doing so...
Besides I don't think Grace's post has anything fan based about it, it is more about respect and about the way she feels about the whole thing and I, along with other people, happen to agree with her point of view..
I really can't see the connection between dissecting a rat at biology class and a death hoax investigation, but that could be me. I think his privacy was invaded a lot of times over the years, I am sure he can handle this for the greater good, most definitely because it's the fans who will always be careful enough and won't bash him like the media did.
And for the record, I don't think we are INVESTIGATORS, we are just people, not professionals (hence some misunderstandings..lol) who liked (as a European, I liked him, not loved him, I love my husband and like Michael... small but huge difference :D )his music, his genius, his way of thinking .
May I remind you that this site is called Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators? It's not called "Let's all register on the board and wait for MJ", because I can do that while relaxing on my sofa and watching a good movie.
And let's all be honest about it, we all want to know what went down that day and we all want to know how Michael is etc., but I doubt if those sincere feelings of worry give us the right to dissect him... Some things are really very personal and better left that way. and Michael for one, sometimes even obsessively guarded his privacy..
I am honest, I want to get to the bottom of this and yes, I need to take a peek at every inch of his life, face and whatsoever to figure it out. That does give me a weird feeling sometimes, certainly because I am new on the MJ stuff and had to do it all in 6 months, but I have a feeling he will get over it.
And for the life of me, I can't see the importance of 'golden pants' on this INVESTIGATION site as you put it, nor how his children look, or whether they are his or are they black or white... c'mon, these things are in no way related to the events of 6/25, they are just what they are..private, no more, and certainly no less..
I have no clue how long you have been on this hoax, but some are working on it since June 25 and they need a break sometimes. As long as it won't get out of hand, we will allow it, you don't have to click the general fora if you don't like it, and if you see anything inapropriate, please let us know so we can take care of it.
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Thanks to all for taking the time to comment.
I think however in some aspect I could not get across what I am thinking.
I am not comfortable with taking Michael apart. If I could I would rather run and hide him from more and deeper microscopes.
Tattering on negative intention was done to him so many times that I am wondering whether he didn't get any walrus skin already. I think he didn't. But maybe this time he was willing to let it all happen because the cause is bigger than his personal ego. I don't know.
I know that we are not intending to hurt him by looking into his life. But it will hurt anyway.
And this is my concern.
Because this is the last thing that should happen - getting hurt from those you love.
You have noticed well that I am not saying we should sit and do nothing.
The contrary is the case. We should get up and stand tall and get heard and unite our voices and get our feet, hands and brains working.
But not to get into action concerning Michael - this is what I mean:
can't we leave him in peace as much as possible and wait patiently for him to come back in his time? How can we protect him if at all?
And meanwhile do what is necessary? Not in direction to Michael but to what we have identified as required action? And what's about the consequences for us as individual and as a group then - what is the required action, how should it be organized - if - are we yet clear on this?
Where are we going from here?
Just go with the flow, follow his lead and that also means his life to find out the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Mike is a great example of how people are being manipulated, that is why he wants us to 'use' him to get to the bottom of it all. Just my honest opinion...
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~Hello All,
I see where Grace is coming from in her last post, and indeed I've been very impressed by the intelligent and eloquent way Grace has expressed views on how humanity can lift it's eyes from our somewhat narrow and self involved path.
HOWEVER, I do wish to take issue that we are somehow 'degrading' Michael by the amount of analysis which has taken place post 6/25. The site is an INVESTIGATION site, that is it's purpose. ~Although Michael is loved here, and we feel aggrieved at the way much of his life has been scrutinised by those other than the people here, this was never set up as a fan based site, but one in which people were invited to forensically examine the obviously strange and discordant events of June 25th and beyond.
Souza and Mo are , I believe, trying to remain as dispassionate as they can in order to unravel what I am sure is a series of events which are leading to an examination of what was EVER true in our world, and Michael's.
They really have a job on their hands here, but they do this with good grace and with a heart.
I know whereof I speak.........
Gabriel
I appreciate what you are saying and somewhat agree but it doesn't take away the akward feeling of dissection. Don't know if you ever, during biology classes maybe, dissected something or scrutinized it. Somehow, sometimes, it feels as if I'm invading his privacy, and being a fan is no excuse for doing so...
Besides I don't think Grace's post has anything fan based about it, it is more about respect and about the way she feels about the whole thing and I, along with other people, happen to agree with her point of view..
And for the record, I don't think we are INVESTIGATORS, we are just people, not professionals (hence some misunderstandings..lol) who liked (as a European, I liked him, not loved him, I love my husband and like Michael... small but huge difference :D )his music, his genius, his way of thinking .
And let's all be honest about it, we all want to know what went down that day and we all want to know how Michael is etc., but I doubt if those sincere feelings of worry give us the right to dissect him... Some things are really very personal and better left that way. and Michael for one, sometimes even obsessively guarded his privacy..
And for the life of me, I can't see the importance of 'golden pants' on this INVESTIGATION site as you put it, nor how his children look, or whether they are his or are they black or white... c'mon, these things are in no way related to the events of 6/25, they are just what they are..private, no more, and certainly no less..
Lala,
I can give you a long and explaining answer, but I think I will get a reply like "Good for you Mo, I'm really happy and my best wishes for 2010 for you too, oh and Souza of course" from you again, so I won't waste my time on that.
You joined the Michael Jackson Death Hoax INVESTIGATORS website, so it was perfectly clear to you what this website is about. If you don't like the way the INVESTIGATION is going, then you're free to skip these posts or, if you wish, free to join a website where the members categorically refuse to perform a FULL investigation.
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I've Tried to stay out of the discussion but.....
I try to investigate all sides of the "fake death"
"don't close your eyes but open them"
if you don't want to read just don't do it! don't post things that has nothing to do with this investigation. just skip it and go to another thread that matches you feelings.
i've you read and you do not agree post relevant things so it can be discussed
is just a theorie and after reading it you can agree or disagree.
C'mon people we are all here for the same goal
Wiz
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Hey , I guess I was just grateful the lala lady thought I'd attended school in the first place!
Maybe it's not too late and I could go to a biology class and get me some of that there 'edumacation'. I'll investigate that possibility.
Liefe
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Hey , I guess I was just grateful the lala lady thought I'd attended school in the first place!
Maybe it's not too late and I could go to a biology class and get me some of that there 'edumacation'. I'll investigate that possibility.
Liefe
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LMAO, brilliant, as usual!!!
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@Lala.. sweeping stereotypes there.
Question: How do you know that none of us are professionals here??? :lol:
There is a WIDE section of the community and the World here.. many of us are professionals.
You bet there are police officers, lawyers, social workers, doctors, etc here.... all professionals and all trained to investigate. :D
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@Lala.. sweeping stereotypes there.
Question: How do you know that none of us are professionals here??? :lol:
There is a WIDE section of the community and the World here.. many of us are professionals.
You bet there are police officers, lawyers, social workers, doctors, etc here.... all professionals and all trained to investigate. :D
Good point! I had my son read this thread today. (He is in med school). He actually cried. He is now following this site.
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Hey , I guess I was just grateful the lala lady thought I'd attended school in the first place!
Maybe it's not too late and I could go to a biology class and get me some of that there 'edumacation'. I'll investigate that possibility.
Liefe
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OMG :o , G do not even try at your age hun, my mom says she is not sure your brain could process it! :lol:
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ok sorry guys I only have read the first two sites... its not easy for me, because English is not my native language :)
Souza, Mo, I'm so happy about this forum - but this blog - o my God!
I totally agree with Lorrie. I think its really not nice to think the illness vitiligo was made by drugs. Do you recognize that his son, Prince, has vitiligo, too?
I'm sad... because almost everybody told me crazy because I'm believing in a hoax.
This illuminati theories - I don't believe it. No, I have no proof - but you don't have it either.
I'm believing in a hoax because the family members behaviour is not normal and that there is no justice against the doctor.
And - I think its not really nice to say the guys thinking bad of your theory are brainless. Its just a theory - and in my (humble) opinion its wrong. For me (!) its to far-fetched.
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Mike, I love you more.
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This illuminati theories - I don't believe it. No, I have no proof - but you don't have it either
Lmao...so what do you call the links and videos that not only they posted but other members as well
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This is eerie...this is what some of us were discussing earlier. I do not not know who is responsible for this site or who created it. I don't know how to find that information. I hope someone here can help. Please check this out!
http://www.michaeljacksons-church.com (http://www.michaeljacksons-church.com)
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This is eerie...this is what some of us were discussing earlier. I do not not know who is responsible for this site or who created it. I don't know how to find that information. I hope someone here can help. Please check this out!
http://www.michaeljacksons-church.com (http://www.michaeljacksons-church.com)
you should throw a different topic so people can see this...what is this site?? are they like worshipping michael as if he the new God? Like he gets his own Book now kinda like the Bible??, this is very strange and i don't think many people are going to agree with it
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This is eerie...this is what some of us were discussing earlier. I do not not know who is responsible for this site or who created it. I don't know how to find that information. I hope someone here can help. Please check this out!
http://www.michaeljacksons-church.com (http://www.michaeljacksons-church.com)
you should throw a different topic so people can see this...what is this site?? are they like worshipping michael as if he the new God? Like he gets his own Book now kinda like the Bible??, this is very strange and i don't think many people are going to agree with it
That's a great idea. Could you do it? I am not very good at this. I agree with you. I was very disgusted when I found this.
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My goodness, Michael is really being abused for each and every phantasy human beings can produce.
This was in the air not only after the Farakhan preaches on "crucifixion" of Michael.
He must really be the stepping stone for each and every (and I'm not going to write the words that are coming to my mind). This is really sad.
To cheer you up who are doubting what you can do - see what this 12 year old lady did and never doubt again in your potential and power:
[youtube:3rfv08pn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmz6Rbpnu0[/youtube:3rfv08pn]
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My goodness, Michael is really being abused for each and every phantasy human beings can produce.
This was in the air not only after the Farakhan preaches on "crucifixion" of Michael.
He must really be the stepping stone for each and every (and I'm not going to write the words that are coming to my mind). This is really sad.
To cheer you up who are doubting what you can do - see what this 12 year old lady did and never doubt again in your potential and power:
[youtube:1uy3osg1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmz6Rbpnu0[/youtube:1uy3osg1]
Thank you dearly, Grace. I've seen this video before and it really inspired me.
I think this is my first time reaching out to you on the new site. Remember me? Lol.
Love you more,
Lizzie <3
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Lmao...so what do you call the links and videos that not only they posted but other members as well
I call them theories.
Hey it would be boring if we all agree with everyone and everything, wouldn't it?! This illuminati thing is not my theory - for ME it's unbelieveable. And, I don't want to believe it until there are a lot of "better" possibilities. Maybe wishful thinking :(
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I think watching this video now will bring on a whole new meaning to who the girl and all the aliases are in the video.
[youtube:4jd5ooov]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQwFHoLMti8[/youtube:4jd5ooov]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQwFHoLMti8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQwFHoLMti8)
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I read up about MJ being mind controlled by his handler Liz Taylor years ago. I don't know if that is or was true, so one retains things in their computer brains and moves on. The thing is, if MJ was ever mind controlled, from his works, he didn't seem to be hurting anyone because of it. He wrote some deep and dark songs, but he never turned around and showed any signs of evil. His love of God was too strong.
He spoke in Harlem about Sony in 2002, so he was not being controlled at that time. He ripped them, and he let everyone know what he thought of Tommy M. and Sony. He called the man a devil, and the Illuminati for the most part are Satanists. I truly don't think they turned MJ into one. God was too strong in him.
I agree with the ones that say that there is no proof either way. I read years ago that MJ was abused, blah-blah-blah. He has admitted to some that he was never abused. You can't always believe what others say and write about. Some people are speculating that he was abused. Some people say he was and that is why he loved young boys. How asinine does that sound? pedo's messes with dozens to hundreds of boys like the Priests have done. They tried to pin two boys on MJ and that sucked (no pun intended) at doing that. He was found not guilty.
The trial messed with MJ because he was fighting against so many haters and manipulators. I'd bet that if he was controlled at one time, by the time of that trial, he was not. I would think by the late nineties if he was controlled he broke out of it. This is why he kept Omer close. I think Omer knows more than anyone about what MJ went through and where he might be. He had Prince in 1997 and Paris in 1998. He was close to all three children. He spent most of his time with them. He protected them in more ways than one. They were his reason for fighting back, and so by the trial, he was afraid that they would railroad him for something that he didn't do. When he was acquitted, he was a little stunned and overwhelmed by the whole thing. This was in 2005. By then, again, he was in control of his life.
So my thing is, why don't you all drop these types of topics? Do you really think the Illuminati have whisked MJ off somewhere? I don't believe that. To believe that, one would have to believe that MJ was being held captive or they murdered him. I can tell by the way the family has acted, that NO ONE is controlling their brother, no one killed him and no one is holding him captive.
Why can't some of you stick to the info and facts that we noticed from that get go in this case? I know some of you feel like you are sharing valuable info about the Illuminati and some of you think that at one time or now, MJ was involved with them, but the majority of us don't believe that to be the situation in this case. Some still want to disparage MJ by insinuating that he is in on this hoax for monetary gain, and the Illuminati made him fake his death for money. I don't believe that at all. Someone will get paid for allowing MJ to get away with this hoax, but in my opinion, that is the only reason that they will get paid.
This topic as far as MJ goes will never lead to anywhere. Do some of you actually think, the illuminati will admit that they have MJ? Do you think when he comes back, he is going to say that they held him captive and forced him to do this or that? I mean really! It isn’t going to happen, so why explore this and beat it to death?
And hell no, I don't believe they are the reason for his vitiligo. Google that word as it pertains to MJ's family. It is a heredity thing people. It is documented that it is on one side of his family and that that is where he got it from. YouTube, "Does Prince have Vitiligo." I've seen videos where Prince has it, Blanket has it and Omer has it. If you YouTube "MJ and his children", so many videos will come up, and if you watch closely, you'll be able to see it on his three sons. I haven't spotted it yet on Paris. Make sure to watch - Luverz123456789's videos on MJ and his children. She has dozens, and she might be related to the Jacksons because she knows a lot, gets rare photos and even has one where she points out the people living in the Encino home.
I mean no harm, but this is the first and last time, I visit these types of threads. Ok, we get it; there are some powers that be that are wicked and committing evil acts. They want to do some bad things to the populace of the earth, but why not discuss that without continually dragging MJ's name through it. Don't you think, he would be sick to read such things or for his children to read? This is nothing but a negative thread and MJ was about Positivity, L.O.V.E. and peace.
MJ planned this hoax for his reasons. Again, his family was and is too happy for MJ to be held in bad shape somewhere or for him to be locked up and held captive so someone can mind control him - IMO.
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*Mo* » Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:00 am
This blog is somewhat controversial and shocking and although you might not go with our theory stated in this blog, it is eye opening and will probably make you as mad and sad as we are.
We were contacted by someone who asked us if we wanted to end up like Evan Chandler for publishing a blog about Mike/Mind Control & Illuminati, but since this is just a theory and the net is all over with articles about this topic, we will post it. There are a lot of people trying to keep us hoaxers from the truth by scaring them and telling half truths, but we have thought this out and unfortunately this fits. The twin-theory might have been off, but if this theory turns out to be true, it wasn’t even that far fetched.
Read more:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php)
Greetz,
Mo & Souza
Thanks for sharing.
But what I want to understand is why do you think that he also had a female alter ego? I know you are not saying he is female. Just trying to understand this one.
Really, I don't put it past the illuminati.
People will continue to deny this because they are afraid to.
Keep posting this info. It needs to be exposed more and more.
Expose the work and deceptive plans of satan. :evil:
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[quote michangelo » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:09 am
teensy wrote:
it is eye opening and will probably make you as mad and sad as we are.
I'm going to have to wait until tomorrow to read this then. I don't want to cry before bed. Actually, I already upset just by reading this because of the anticipation. I'll be braver tomorrow... and less sleepy.
To be honest, I'm scared. I don't want heartache. The Illuminati is a heavy topic for me. It's really painful. But I'm excited at the same time. I'm a mess.
Do not be sad Michael is a man like us all, and the music is Satan's trap and the illuminati.
Satan is the prince of the music and it appeals to people.
It is normal that the greatest singer and dancer of all time has fallen into the trap
without seeing or without meaning to.
But we must love it anyway, because he try to leave the Circle.
It was because of his refusal to illuminati he suffered then.
After THEY DONT CARE ABOUT US, it has been rejected and destroyed!
He really challenged the illuminati, he pays the price.
But are not we all owned by the illuminati?
The answer is YES we are.
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Satan was once Lucifer. He gift was music that God gave him to worship. Of course he has perverted the very gift God gave him and uses it in the industry today but not all music is satan's trap. Gifts and calling are without repentance. Just because you have a gift doesnt mean you are using it in godly way or a way that it helps people. Satan is a prime example of this. The gift was never taken away, he has used it bring many people down with him and soon he will be pay for it dearly.
I have been reading his lyrics more than listening to the beat with them to understand if there were messages in there that he was trying to get out. So many times, we are bopping our heads to music and not listening to the messages which is how music effects us subconciously. You could be listening to music that is telling you to murder someone, commit suicide but yet you are bopping and not reading the real meaning and root behind it that is how satan deceives masses through this like the Pidpiper.(<--- If I spelled it correctly.)
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~Souza~ » Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:43 am
michangelo wrote:
I am surprised at your honesty, I knew already and I dared not post things that I know.
Yes Michael was a Monarch slave for the illuminati and then ° They do not care about us °
he tried to break free of his demons.
I hope he reaches his goal. Thank you for showing the hidden face.
If there are things to add, can post here? in NWO? not at all?
It will trigger the tears all that, but he had to say .. Thanks MB & Souza
L.O.V.E
Fear is not in our dictionary, this must be discussed. You can post anything you want, we would be glad if more will do so.
Souza,
I agree it is False Evidence Appearing Real. This is an acronym of the fear. :)
Satan feeds off of our fear and ignorance. As long you are ignorant and stay in fear you are in bondage to him. But he is nothing to fear.
Whenever you are standing for something right or for righeousness sake you will suffer for a good cause, it may even lead to death but are you willing to stand so that many will be set free not only spiritually but mentally.
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I am sorry I have posted so many times.
Just reading this sometimes just makes me angry.
Not just MJ being effected, it's effecting many people including all of us on every border.
It's sickening and sinister of how you gave a group of people doing this horrible thing to people.
I just don't have much words to say except it's just mind boggling.
:( :cry: :evil: :twisted: <---- I normally don't use these icons but (shaking my head)....anyways!
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MJ planned this hoax for his reasons.
Thank you so much for your long post. I agree completely.
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@ browneyedgirl : it's refreshing to read a post like yours. I agree.
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Hey , I guess I was just grateful the lala lady thought I'd attended school in the first place!
Maybe it's not too late and I could go to a biology class and get me some of that there 'edumacation'. I'll investigate that possibility.
Liefe
G
OMG :o , G do not even try at your age hun, my mom says she is not sure your brain could process it! :lol:
x
Too late Miss Souza,too late! I rolled my zimmer frame up to a Community College today , showed my Senior Card and Hey! I got put in some class called 'bioloooggoy for dummies'. My class mate Earla who sits behind me, says we get to dissect a rat next week! Yay, me's getting edumaction like that lala lady done told me to do!
Love , G xxx
P.s There ARE strong responses to the blog, but there is a right to Free Speech and did I not read that you posted this as a THEORY?????? ~Keep the faith. Remember Susan's flowers.....
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Congratulations! I am always inspired when people of all ages go back to school. Every year during graduation season there is usually some great story describing much older people in their 70s, 80s and even 90s going to school for a HS diploma or college degree. Three cheers for U!
Hey , I guess I was just grateful the lala lady thought I'd attended school in the first place!
Maybe it's not too late and I could go to a biology class and get me some of that there 'edumacation'. I'll investigate that possibility.
Liefe
G
OMG :o , G do not even try at your age hun, my mom says she is not sure your brain could process it! :lol:
x
Too late Miss Souza,too late! I rolled my zimmer frame up to a Community College today , showed my Senior Card and Hey! I got put in some class called 'bioloooggoy for dummies'. My class mate Earla who sits behind me, says we get to dissect a rat next week! Yay, me's getting edumaction like that lala lady done told me to do!
Love , G xxx
P.s There ARE strong responses to the blog, but there is a right to Free Speech and did I not read that you posted this as a THEORY?????? ~Keep the faith. Remember Susan's flowers.....
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~Hello All,
I see where Grace is coming from in her last post, and indeed I've been very impressed by the intelligent and eloquent way Grace has expressed views on how humanity can lift it's eyes from our somewhat narrow and self involved path.
HOWEVER, I do wish to take issue that we are somehow 'degrading' Michael by the amount of analysis which has taken place post 6/25. The site is an INVESTIGATION site, that is it's purpose. ~Although Michael is loved here, and we feel aggrieved at the way much of his life has been scrutinised by those other than the people here, this was never set up as a fan based site, but one in which people were invited to forensically examine the obviously strange and discordant events of June 25th and beyond.
Souza and Mo are , I believe, trying to remain as dispassionate as they can in order to unravel what I am sure is a series of events which are leading to an examination of what was EVER true in our world, and Michael's.
They really have a job on their hands here, but they do this with good grace and with a heart.
I know whereof I speak.........
Gabriel
I appreciate what you are saying and somewhat agree but it doesn't take away the akward feeling of dissection. Don't know if you ever, during biology classes maybe, dissected something or scrutinized it. Somehow, sometimes, it feels as if I'm invading his privacy, and being a fan is no excuse for doing so...
Besides I don't think Grace's post has anything fan based about it, it is more about respect and about the way she feels about the whole thing and I, along with other people, happen to agree with her point of view..
And for the record, I don't think we are INVESTIGATORS, we are just people, not professionals (hence some misunderstandings..lol) who liked (as a European, I liked him, not loved him, I love my husband and like Michael... small but huge difference :D )his music, his genius, his way of thinking .
And let's all be honest about it, we all want to know what went down that day and we all want to know how Michael is etc., but I doubt if those sincere feelings of worry give us the right to dissect him... Some things are really very personal and better left that way. and Michael for one, sometimes even obsessively guarded his privacy..
And for the life of me, I can't see the importance of 'golden pants' on this INVESTIGATION site as you put it, nor how his children look, or whether they are his or are they black or white... c'mon, these things are in no way related to the events of 6/25, they are just what they are..private, no more, and certainly no less..
Hey , I guess I was just grateful the lala lady thought I'd attended school in the first place!
Maybe it's not too late and I could go to a biology class and get me some of that there 'edumacation'. I'll investigate that possibility.
Liefe
G
OMG :o , G do not even try at your age hun, my mom says she is not sure your brain could process it! :lol:
x
Too late Miss Souza,too late! I rolled my zimmer frame up to a Community College today , showed my Senior Card and Hey! I got put in some class called 'bioloooggoy for dummies'. My class mate Earla who sits behind me, says we get to dissect a rat next week! Yay, me's getting edumaction like that lala lady done told me to do!
Love , G xxx
P.s There ARE strong responses to the blog, but there is a right to Free Speech and did I not read that you posted this as a THEORY?????? ~Keep the faith. Remember Susan's flowers.....
Gabriel, read my post again, I never told you to do anything, I just stated how I feel and compared it to a dissection. Besides, where I come from, students don't all get biology, it depends on the courses you take and which section you follow. That's all.
But, I think it's great you signed up because a person can never learn too much. It's nice to meet a person with an open mind.
Congratulations.
PS : nice to be called a lady... :D
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Congrat you for going to school.
I am 35 years old in college.
I graduated in 1992. Went to business school for 1 yr in 1993 and didn't go back to school. Sometimes I wished I had continued. I probably would have had my degrees in Fashion Designing,RealEstate, and a MBA.
So if the desire is there go for it!!
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Stumbled upon our discussion on MJHD early october on the subject.
Here's the link and content of what we discussed at that time however it points into a different direction. Do you remember?
http://www.mail-archive.com/coalitionfo ... 04438.html (http://www.mail-archive.com/coalitionforfreethoughtinmedia@googlegroups.com/msg04438.html)
[Michael Jackson, Mind Control Victim?
Skinny
Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:00:02 -0700
Michael Jackson, Mind Control Victim?
While we're on the topic of magicians, I'd like to go back to this whole thing
about Michael Jackson having a 'personal magician'. I mean, I know the dude is
weird, but let’s just say that doesn’t necessarily justify having a person who
travels around with you acting as your not tongue-in-cheek personal magician. I
mean, this guy also 'controls' interviews with Jackson and even speaks on his
behalf sometimes.
This character seems to go by the name of Majestic Magnificent, or Majestik
Magnificent with a 'k' at the end. and he's also been spotted as 'Majestic the
Magnificent.' An article on the Austin Chronicle goes into more investigative
depth on the subject. No record seems to exist of Majestic as a professional
magician besides a mention in a blog in 2003. Also that year, Majestic/k
intervened during a BBC interview with Jackson's dad:
Majestik then says he will cancel the interview if another question is asked
about Michael Jackson's nose.
Theroux asks Mr Jackson if he wishes his son had a partner.
When he describes partner as 'boyfriend or girlfriend', Majestik says: 'What
are you trying to say, that Michael's gay?'
Majestik says the question is disrespectful to Joe Jackson, who later says 'we
don't believe in gays. I can't stand them.' Mr Jackson then calls an end to the
interview.
In another interview, Majestic/k says that before being Jackson's personal
magician, he was Muhammad Ali's. Supposedly Majestic/k has been affiliated with
Jackson since at least 1993.
And yet so little is known about him. It's extremely suspicious.
Also extraordinarily weird is that Majestic/k is reportedly part of the reason
that Jackson is now using Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam as personal
bodyguards. I'll have to look into this more, but this site says both Majestic
and the Nation were brought in by Jermaine Jackson. One of the first tidbits I
found about this aspect of the story actually comes from a Saturday Night Live
Weekend Update transcript:
According to Magnificent Majestic, Michael Jackson's personal magician, the
purpose of Michael's recent meetings with the nation of Islam is to insure that
nobody is taking advantage of him financially. So don’t worry everyone -
Michael Jackson's personal magician is ensuring that nobody is taking
advantage of him financially.
At first I just thought Jackson having a personal assistant was hilarious. Now
I'm beginning to wonder if there's not more to it than meets the eye. Let's
examine some more of the facts. First of all, Jackson is currently involved in
an extremely public trial over child sex abuse. Jackson has maintained his
innocence throughout. Regular readers of sites like Rigorous Intuition ought to
be standing up and taking notice at this point. The author of that site, Jeff
Wells, frequently delves into far out stories about ritual child abuse, and
also blackmailing powerful public figures by forcing them into compromising
situations.
I know it's a pretty far-out leap for most 'normal' people, but could Majestic
Magnificent be more than just a 'magician' -
could he also be some sort of CIA Monarch mind-control handler for Jackson? Is
there any possibility that Michael Jackson is actually a victim of or 'asset'
of some occult-intelligence organization? I personally have a hard time
believing that Jackson is a pedophile
(check out my archetypal analysis of him and his Peter Pan myth) -
although if he had alternate personalities covered by layers of trauma, he
might not even know about it himself. Or, conversely he might have figured it
out, and trying to overcome it, and reclaim his lost innocence is what drove
him into the whole Peter Pan fantasy to begin with. Maybe it's all an attempt
by Jackson to reclaim his inner 'Paperboy'. I know I'm a bit of a weirdo, but
for some reason, it's more plausible to me that Jackson is a split-personality
mind-control asset gone haywire than just a celebrity freak who likes to fool
around with little boys. Maybe that's just a more 'fun' and less creepy
explanation though. Who knows.
Anyway, the question of Jackson's involvement with the CIA was first raised to
me by Garrett. He tracked down a link to the CIA through Jackson's close
personal friend Uri Geller (who I have another story about in a minute).
An article on the Scotsman explains a possible Geller-CIA link:
Ronson began his journey into the US armyâ€'s heart of cerebral darkness in
London, where he got a tip from Uri Geller - the psychic famed for bending
spoons on TV in the 1970s. 'Under Clinton, the nuttiness was at the fringes but
the dynamic changed when the Bushes got into power and it felt like the
nuttiness was now at the core of things,' Ronson tells me at his Soho club. 'So
I started asking around and then I heard about remote viewers and psychic spies
and, right here on the roof terrace in this building, Uri Geller told me that
he'd been ˜re-activated.'
I ask why the US military might have brought Geller back in from the cold. The
simple answer is that Geller once belonged to an unofficial unit of psychic
spies, formed in the 1970s to read the future and conduct experiments into the
supernatural for the US military. Geller’s tip led Ronson to Glenn Wheaton, a
retired sergeant and former Special Forces psychic spy who confirmed that the
military funded this unofficial unit. There was more to the psychics, however,
than trying to “remotely access” Soviet weapons plans or predict China’s next
move. They were looking at new forms of warfare, including walking through
walls, adopting a cloak of invisibility, even stopping an animal’s heartbeat
by staring at it.
The guy in this quote, Jon Ronson is the author of the new book, The Men Who
Stare At Goats which is making a bit of a splash among fringe counter-cultural
groups. Many other sources seem to connect Uri Geller to working for both the
CIA, FBI, KGB and Mossad at various points in his career. Even a seemingly
official site of his says:
Mike worked out that Uri would very likely be happy to help out Uncle Sam if
Uncle Sam helped out Uri. And another thing; he may not have been representing
CIA policy exactly, but Mike was seriously interested in the possibilities of
psychic spying, and of Uri doing a little work from the outside looking in at
the KGB’s building in Mexico City. All in all, he seems to have concluded, Uri
Geller was a useful asset to the CIA. Not only that, but Mike was fascinated by
the fact that the Jimmy Carter, who was due to move into the White House in
January, appeared to be a fan of the paranormal. Could Geller be used to eat
away at those surrounding Carter and help bring about funding for an official
paranormal programme at the CIA?
Interesting factoid: Michael Jackson’s 1995 album HIStory included a song
called “Tabloid Junkie” one of the opening lines of which is:
Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
As the hounding media in hysteria
Who’s the next for you to resurrect
Jfk exposed the cia
Truth be told the grassy knoll
As the blackmail story in all your glory
I know this doesn’t “prove” anything, but it seems noteworthy that Jackson
mentions exposing the CIA in a line on a popular record. And shortly thereafter
talks about blackmail. The weirdest part is I didn’t even know this before I
started writing this post. WHOA! This is even weirder. Apparently also on that
album is a song called “D.S.” the opening lyrics of which are:
They wanna get my ass
Dead or alive
You know he really tried to take me
Down by surprise
I bet he missioned with the CIA
He don’t do half what he say
Don Standdon is a cold man
Don Standdon is a cold man
Don Standdon is a cold man
Don Standdon is a cold man
There is also a theory circulating online about this song - that it’s actually
about a District Attorney from Santa Barbara county named Thomas Sneddon. This
article claims that the Don Standdon mentioned above is actually “Dom S.
Sheldon” which when sung sounds like “ThomaS Sneddon”. Apparently Sneddon has
been trying to build a case against Jackson since the 1990’s. Other lyrics
sites online also confirm the “Dom Sheldon” interpretation, and some even say
outright “Tom Sneddon.”
I’m also curious about this later line in the song:
Does he send letters to the FBI?
Did he say to either do it or die?
Was Sneddon trying to blackmail Jackson with the child abuse stuff, and then
Jackson didn’t go for it, so Sneddon launched his trap? To me, the picture
looks more and more like Jackson began trying to “out” CIA agents in this
album. Whether it was real or imagined, it’s an extremely creepy connection
worth investigating more. I don’t actually have or know that album much at all.
But if anybody could offer a more detailed reading of it with this theory in
mind, I’d love to read it. Majestic Magnificent seems to have come on the seen
shortly before Jackson released this album. Was he a last ditch effort by the
CIA to send somebody in to reign Jackson in again to their control? Maybe
that’s a flawed direction of research - especially in light of the information
about the Nation of Islam acting as bodyguards for Jackson. Why would Jackson
hire basically an ideological para-military force for protection? Who’s he
afraid of? This shit just gets
deeper and deeper.
UPDATE!
Thanks to some responses to a posting I did about this on the Rigorous
Intuition Forum, I tracked down a very very interesting connection. Let me give
you a little background information first before we go on. After 9/11, there
was a benefit concert somewhere near Washington, which Michael Jackson was
invited to play. An LA Times article explains that Jackson was looking for a
place to stay during this time period:
Jackson’s visit came about as a result of a call from “a friend from the White
House,” Coe said. The call came from David Kuo, deputy director of the Office
of Faith-Based Initiatives, who helped put together the United We Stand
concert. When Kuo learned that Jackson needed a place to stay, he thought of
Cedars. “It’s a private unknown place that offers anonymity in a peaceful
environment,” he said. “Part of the whole Fellowship belief is you can help
people who are down and out by helping people who are up and out.”
The place they are referring to is called Cedars. It is the headquarters of a
behind-the-scenes Christian Reconstructionist group called the Fellowship, also
known as the International Foundation. Wayne Madsen’s article, Christian Mafia
Part II has more about the Fellowship and their dealings. But let’s look first
at what they say about this place called Cedars. First and foremost we have
this absolutely juicy tidbit:
According to a senior Pentagon official, the Cedars had been used as a CIA safe
house prior to the Fellowship’s purchase of the estate.
Now, I don’t know how the CIA works, but I do know that expression: “Once a
company man, always a company man,” and I suspect the same goes for their
locations, though they get shuffled around through various front groups. A
simple real life example: a friend of mine used to be a minor player in the
Miami club scene some years back. He helped run various venues, and worked
behind the scenes as a promoter. He told me stories about what happens to clubs
where bad shit goes down - like a shooting or other high profile crime.
Everybody gets freaked out and stops going there. So the clubs close down. The
real owners go through all the paper-work to sell the club, put it under “new”
ownership and management and then re-open it. But it’s all just
sleight-of-hand. No real change has been made except in public perception - the
only kind of change that actually seems to matter.
Another article has some interesting information about the Fellowship’s other
activities:
The Fellowship (Getter’s preferred label for the group) also has brought
several notorious, right-wing Latin American generals to Washington for prayer
meetings — men connected to the torture of civilians and CIA-linked death
squads.
Well, as long as they’re only praying, right? Whew! What a relief!
Getter quotes the group’s long-time leader, Doug Coe, 73, as saying that its
mission is to establish a “family of friends” around the world by spreading the
word of Jesus to powerful people: “The people that are involved in this
association . . . are the worst and the best. Some are total despots. Some are
totally religious. You can find what you want to find.”
And a supporting quote from the LA Times article:
Coe said the group’s mission is to create a worldwide “family of friends” by
spreading the words of Jesus to those in power. He believes that people of
every religion–including Muslims, Jews and Hindus–are swayed by Jesus. If he
can change leaders’ hearts, he said, then the benefits will flow naturally to
the oppressed and underprivileged.
So, was Michael Jackson’s stay with this group “purely a matter of convenience”
or was there more going on here? Just who was that guy who invited Michael to
stay there again? The Madsen article explains:
According to a September 27, 2002 Los Angeles Times article by Lisa Getter,
Jackson’s stay at the Cedars was arranged through David Kuo, George W.
Bush’s White House director of the Office of Faith-based Initiatives. Kuo, a
former CIA employee who co-wrote a book with Ralph Reed, had been Executive
Director of the Center for Effective Compassion, founded in 1995 by Arianna
Huffington and Marvin Olasky. Olasky is a Jewish convert to evangelical
Christianity, a major Christian reconstructionist proponent, and an ardent
supporter of George W. Bush. Kuo also previously worked for the Christian
Coalition and Senator John Ashcroft.
And there we have it. We started out with magicians and end up with plans by
Christians to institute theocracy in America. Just what are Jackson’s religious
views, I’m trying to figure out. I’ve heard he’s a Jehovah’s witness, but I
also just read he denounced his faith in 1987. Here’s a more elaborate article
on whether or not he still is one. I guess I’m just wondering what he’s doing
staying with Christian Reconstructionists one day, and cozying up to the Nation
of Islam the next. This just gets deeper and deeper still…
ALSO check out my follow-up article to this, The Pied Piper of Neverland!
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I am not supporting this as I do know nothing about these U.S. subjects.
Just wanted to throw it into discussion for those who may know.
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I read up about MJ being mind controlled by his handler Liz Taylor years ago. I don't know if that is or was true, so one retains things in their computer brains and moves on. The thing is, if MJ was ever mind controlled, from his works, he didn't seem to be hurting anyone because of it. He wrote some deep and dark songs, but he never turned around and showed any signs of evil. His love of God was too strong.
Noone said he hurt any1 because of it
He spoke in Harlem about Sony in 2002, so he was not being controlled at that time. He ripped them, and he let everyone know what he thought of Tommy M. and Sony. He called the man a devil, and the Illuminati for the most part are Satanists. I truly don't think they turned MJ into one. God was too strong in him
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They may have tried to and he refuse...again you have to ask what was the real beef with sony and the media
I agree with the ones that say that there is no proof either way. I read years ago that MJ was abused, blah-blah-blah. He has admitted to some that he was never abused. You can't always believe what others say and write about. Some people are speculating that he was abused. Some people say he was and that is why he loved young boys. How asinine does that sound? pedo's messes with dozens to hundreds of boys like the Priests have done. They tried to pin two boys on MJ and that sucked (no pun intended) at doing that. He was found not guilty
When you say "they" who are you speaking of? If you mean illuminati then again you have 2 ask y would they do that 2 him? Why would they want him to look like a pedo? Low blow maybe? Maybe they hit him where they knew it would hurt. The most.
The trial messed with MJ because he was fighting against so many haters and manipulators. I'd bet that if he was controlled at one time, by the time of that trial, he was not. I would think by the late nineties if he was controlled he broke out of it. This is why he kept Omer close. I think Omer knows more than anyone about what MJ went through and where he might be. He had Prince in 1997 and Paris in 1998. He was close to all three children. He spent most of his time with them. He protected them in more ways than one. They were his reason for fighting back, and so by the trial, he was afraid that they would railroad him for something that he didn't do. When he was acquitted, he was a little stunned and overwhelmed by the whole thing. This was in 2005. By then, again, he was in control of his life.
from what I have read the control wears thin at about the late 20s early 30s..sounds like that's about the same time the media begin to 2 try to detroy him...again you have 2 ask why...also maybe he protected his kids because him and his kids lifes were in danger from going against them
So my thing is, why don't you all drop these types of topics? Do you really think the Illuminati have whisked MJ off somewhere? I don't believe that. To believe that, one would have to believe that MJ was being held captive or they murdered him. I can tell by the way the family has acted, that NO ONE is controlling their brother, no one killed him and no one is holding him captive.
no1 said he was dead or captive...lol
Why can't some of you stick to the info and facts that we noticed from that get go in this case? I know some of you feel like you are sharing valuable info about the Illuminati and some of you think that at one time or now, MJ was involved with them, but the majority of us don't believe that to be the situation in this case. Some still want to disparage MJ by insinuating that he is in on this hoax for monetary gain, and the Illuminati made him fake his death for money. I don't believe that at all. Someone will get paid for allowing MJ to get away with this hoax, but in my opinion, that is the only reason that they will get paid.
This topic as far as MJ goes will never lead to anywhere. Do some of you actually think, the illuminati will admit that they have MJ? Do you think when he comes back, he is going to say that they held him captive and forced him to do this or that? I mean really! It isn’t going to happen, so why explore this and beat it to death?
what case? Mike is alive there is no case for murray...lol and 7 pages of input via links and videos shows this is going somewhere. Aand this site is about "investigating" why he hoax his death there fore we should "explore" all things related to why he would do a hoax...
And hell no, I don't believe they are the reason for his vitiligo. Google that word as it pertains to MJ's family. It is a heredity thing people. It is documented that it is on one side of his family and that that is where he got it from. YouTube, "Does Prince have Vitiligo." I've seen videos where Prince has it, Blanket has it and Omer has it. If you YouTube "MJ and his children", so many videos will come up, and if you watch closely, you'll be able to see it on his three sons. I haven't spotted it yet on Paris. Make sure to watch - Luverz123456789's videos on MJ and his children. She has dozens, and she might be related to the Jacksons because she knows a lot, gets rare photos and even has one where she points out the people living in the Encino home.
statisticly that is impossibly 4 all 3 kids to have vitilligo
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There is only a 5% chance that a child with a parent with vitiligo will also have it
Www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo.htlm (http://Www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo.htlm)
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There is only a 5% chance that a child with a parent with vitiligo will also have it
http://Www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo.htlm (http://Www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo.htlm)
Vitiligo may also be hereditary; that is, it can run in families. Children whose parents have the disorder are more likely to develop vitiligo. In fact, 30 percent of people with vitiligo have a family member with the disease. However, only 5 to 7 percent of children will get vitiligo even if a parent has it, and most people with vitiligo do not have a family history of the disorder. (source : medicinet.com).
And this in case a parent, as in 1, has it, what if both parents have it? Or grandparents, nephews, cousins, and on both paternal and maternal side?
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Well said browneyedgirl !!! I totally agree with you. I'm also here interested in proving a death hoax or not and I find it hard to sift through the extra junk that clutters my mind when reading threads not related to "death hoax". I admit I thought of MJ being approached by the illuminati only because of their symbols plastered on his Dangerous album cover and placed in backgrounds of some videos. I see that as possibly being a warning or stating a "who" since it's no secret that the media is controlled by "them" and is why MJ was angry and why he wrote the lyrics he did. Granted Michael Jackson probably has a global following as large as some organized branches of religion, but I don't see him as a threat to the elite. I doubt there was any kidnapping and if the illuminati murdered him it would have been a cleaner job than the trail of screwed up circumstances we have seen. I'm still voting for freedom by way of "death hoax".
I'm just gonna spit out some random things here from my own perspective and experiences of life that aren't in any particular order and I am not preaching:
Some people totally have missed the meaning of MJ's life. I believe:
whatever God we were born from or family born into, we were given a specific purpose to serve in our lifetime, put on a path to follow. Some people recognize their purpose early on and are guided by family, teachers or friends. Some never figure out their purpose, were afraid to serve it or were discouraged.. Those who recognize their purpose feel an urgency, a constant nudging, a passion that drives them forward. Michael was meant to be a singer song writer, a messenger of sorts, an example of many things and we are lucky he has a spotlight to shine for all to witness. Through his personal pain, anguish and glory he has taught so much. Have we been paying attention? Talent like his is fed from a higher power. He was in touch with that and let it flow. When there was a wall he went around, over or under it to stay on his path.
I applaud that. I am thankful to have such a beautiful teacher.
Let's talk about disease. Let's talk about personality disorders. Let's talk about men wearing skirts or loving children. Let's take a hard look in the mirror of life shall we ? Let's stand in our brother's white socks for a moment or two from inside our perfect glass houses and I dare one of ya to throw the first stone.......... :roll:
Can you conceive the fact that we are all brothers and sisters on this planet ?
Do you know what a coroner has proof of after peeling the skin off a 1000 humans?
Have you ever googled what is most precious to a person living across the Earth from you?
I believe we are all brothers and sisters on this planet.
I know that when the color is peeled back we are all the same inside.
I imagine that no matter where on Earth we are, under what circumstance we are born that surely children deserve love, tears of pain hurt and tears of joy feel good and that we all need to eat to stay alive and that disease and war are devastating.
In fact I'm pretty sure that emotions are Universal and freedom of spirit is precious.
Can ya get inside Michael's mind ???
Michael's (exceptionally) excellent "Black or White" song/lyrics/video which I found a mis-understood version of on You Tube analyzing the dance at the end as proof of his alter egos. Interesting, but I don't think he had a personality disorder or alter egos any more than a other person does. Don't put me under a microscope - I don't have time to hear what crap you think !!! Being a WHITE female hippie born in the 50's I very much remember the "Black Panther" movement who's motto I always loved and still use, "Power to the People". During a vacation tour of Washington DC, I found it disturbing to discover the "Black Only" - "White Only" signs posted on drinking fountains. Yeah, even at the age of 10 I knew that was wrong ! Power to the People - to have the freedom we deserve - to be proud of our heritage - to live our God given path without having to explain. It's like I'm saying >>> Hey you over there - I breath my own air, I shit my own shit, stay out of my space, Stop Doggin me Around, leave me alone to be who I am, thank you.
Tell me what has become of my rights
Am I invisible because you ignore me?
Your proclamation promised me free liberty, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of shame
They're throwing me in a class with a bad name
I can't believe this is the land from which I came
You know I do really hate to say it
The government don't wanna see
But if Roosevelt was livin'
He wouldn't let this be, no, no
lyrics from Michael's mouth or sung from one neighbor to another ????
I admire Michael's gifts.
I honor his existence and integrity.
I love him as my brother on this Earth.
I trust he is safe taking care of business best he can.
I hope he is having sleepovers with his children and they are resting well in the arms of each other.
I believe that Karma will eventually show it's power.
And I still want to prove there is a death hoax until proved otherwise.
Peace, Love xoxox
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I jus wanted to say ma thanks for all them there kind messages about ma goin back to git some edumacatin. Bein a old old man of 92 next birthday ( though I don't rightly know when ma birthday be as my momma raised 68 children in a one room shack in the Blue Mountains and she never had no time for givin us names and such)
I thanks ya all for being so right kindly to me and sending yo encorigamint, specially Miss Souza who say she gonna oil the wheels on ma zimmer frame so they don't squeak no mo and Miss Mo who say she gonna teach me cursin words in Holland language.
Missy Lala ,,I KNOWS you a fine lady , I feels it when I reads your lovely words what you wrote to me.
Ima tired now, I better get my Grandma to git me to bed.( she very very old)
Gab ri el
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@karmaknowstruth : love your post. Maybe it's because I'm not only white, but also of your generation. And by saying I'm white, I just want to say that I was also shocked and I do realize that, although the signs may have disappeared, the same spirit lives on in some ignorants(and ignorants do come in every colour or shape..lol). Even in my town, how ever tiny it is (it is really tiny) ignorants are present and I use the term 'ignorant' consciously because most times they act out of fear "what we don't know we fear..". It is basically sheer stupidity and ignorance that forms the base of some extreme groups of people. Extremisme is always a bad cause IMO.
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I jus wanted to say ma thanks for all them there kind messages about ma goin back to git some edumacatin. Bein a old old man of 92 next birthday ( though I don't rightly know when ma birthday be as my momma raised 68 children in a one room shack in the Blue Mountains and she never had no time for givin us names and such)
I thanks ya all for being so right kindly to me and sending yo encorigamint, specially Miss Souza who say she gonna oil the wheels on ma zimmer frame so they don't squeak no mo and Miss Mo who say she gonna teach me cursin words in Holland language.
Missy Lala ,,I KNOWS you a fine lady , I feels it when I reads your lovely words what you wrote to me.
Ima tired now, I better get my Grandma to git me to bed.( she very very old)
Gab ri el
Rofl
Good Night Gabriel,
Sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite... nighty night
A sweet good night kiss x
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There is only a 5% chance that a child with a parent with vitiligo will also have it
http://Www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo.htlm (http://Www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo.htlm)
Vitiligo may also be hereditary; that is, it can run in families. Children whose parents have the disorder are more likely to develop vitiligo. In fact, 30 percent of people with vitiligo have a family member with the disease. However, only 5 to 7 percent of children will get vitiligo even if a parent has it, and most people with vitiligo do not have a family history of the disorder. (source : medicinet.com).
And this in case a parent, as in 1, has it, what if both parents have it? Or grandparents, nephews, cousins, and on both paternal and maternal side?
If it on both sides let's say that it doubles there chances that's still only 10 to 14%
You also have 2 remeber all 3 boys have different mother, it say what 1% of the population has vitiligo so what are the chances that all 3 mother have vitiligo in there familys???
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There is only a 5% chance that a child with a parent with vitiligo will also have it
http://Www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo.htlm (http://Www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo.htlm)
Vitiligo may also be hereditary; that is, it can run in families. Children whose parents have the disorder are more likely to develop vitiligo. In fact, 30 percent of people with vitiligo have a family member with the disease. However, only 5 to 7 percent of children will get vitiligo even if a parent has it, and most people with vitiligo do not have a family history of the disorder. (source : medicinet.com).
And this in case a parent, as in 1, has it, what if both parents have it? Or grandparents, nephews, cousins, and on both paternal and maternal side?
If it on both sides let's say that it doubles there chances that's still only 10 to 14%
You also have 2 remeber all 3 boys have different mother, it say what 1% of the population has vitiligo so what are the chances that all 3 mother have vitiligo in there familys???
I don't know, I'm not an expert. But stranger things have happened I guess.. I just don't know. :?
Just wondering....
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Miss Lala
Why that's a kindly thing you sayin there to a old man.
My teacher she say there a man he name Shakeesppermint and he wrote him a thing called Omlette about this prince that fall to sleep
'Goodnight sweet Prince and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest'
That is a rite nice thing what Mr Shakkespeermimnt wrote.
Thanks for edumactin us here Miss lala. Ima laerning a LOT .
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Go to sleep Gabriel, or are you begging for one more sweet good night kiss?
Ok, here we go x
Now, close your eyes Gabriel and be fit as a fiddle again tomorrow morning... :lol:
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I don't know, I'm not an expert. But stranger things have happened I guess.. I just don't know. :?
Just wondering....
I wasn't asking...lol I was just making a point...that's it is highly unlikely and that jus because some1 on youtbue "points" these things out and they have 100 clips of mikes kids don't make it fact...we don't know what she is doin to the photos to make it look like that...
My point being that she just said not to believe everything we see but yet she stated that like it was a fact and I debunked what she said but she hasn't provided anything to suggest we are going in the wrong direction other than personal feelings.
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@misha86 : lol
It's sometimes so confusing and I get the impression that I see non-existing things, or trying to link things that are not there..haha. You know what I mean. There is just too much info out there and I think the trick is to sift through it, but then again I get scared I'm sifting too much .... pff oh boy, I'm getting a headache :lol:
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I will have to congratulate you, Mo and Souza, for writing this blog. Many other celebrities are victims of MK Ultra, even if, many people deny it. Keep up with the great work! :)
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Wonderful blog by Souza and Mo!
It makes me giggle, though, as we had discussed this "theory" at old MJHD and it was dismissed pretty quick. Now it's here again, so I would like to make a few ammendments or say what I know about it all.
- Illu numbers: you left out "23" - one of their most important numbers, and, yes, they do everything according to numbers, every event is carefully planned for certains dates and issues corresponding to 'their' favourite numbers
- Cathy O'Brian and Mark Philips have written in their book "Tranceformation of America" that the Jackson kids, among many, many other celebrities, are DIDed, with Janet probably being the one with least identities, Michael maybe the most. (I've met Cathy personally and I'm still in loose email contact with her and Mark - they are no liers, but whistleblowers.)
- Vitiligo: it can neither be inherited nor is it any dangerous - and you cannot bleach your skin either to that extent. Vitiligo, according to German New Medicine (R) (La Medicina Sagrada) is a smart reaction of the body to a very, very mean and disgusting conflict of being separated. Normally you get "the white skin" in those areas where the most or last skin contact with the 'lost' person or thing has occured. As Michael seems to have "white skin" all over his body one can only estimate that the very mean and disgusting loss is the loss of "himself" or his "persona" or his "individuum". Now, after his hoax, finding back to himself, he will most probably have solved his conflict and thus the body will start its repair work - turning his skin to his "normal" color. (The healing takes as long as the conflict was, timewise. So, with Michael it will takes years...)
Oh, I forgot: DIDed persons mostly break up their DID's around the age of 40 to 50. Now that fits quite well with Michael, doesn't it? Another break-up can happen, if the person gets pregnant before the age of 25. Yet, Michael being a man that would not have been possible for him. ;) Yet we all have seen this happen: Britney Spears. She was DIDed through her involvement at Disney's Michey Mouse Club. (You can read all this in Cathy's books.)
I think Michael definitely was DIDed to some extent, one aspect being his "Peter Pan" persona. (Cathy was programmed with "Alice in Wonderland", she was Alice.)
I just found a very, very new forum on the net, which deals with many themes and topics. It's quite new, so not many posts and members there yet, you might wanna check it out, though (never mind you'll see a lot of posts from me there... :) ).
http://makeachange.50.forumer.com (http://makeachange.50.forumer.com)
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Wonderful blog by Souza and Mo!
It makes me giggle, though, as we had discussed this "theory" at old MJHD and it was dismissed pretty quick. Now it's here again, so I would like to make a few ammendments or say what I know about it all.
- Illu numbers: you left out "23" - one of their most important numbers, and, yes, they do everything according to numbers, every event is carefully planned for certains dates and issues corresponding to 'their' favourite numbers
- Cathy O'Brian and Mark Philips have written in their book "Tranceformation of America" that the Jackson kids, among many, many other celebrities, are DIDed, with Janet probably being the one with least identities, Michael maybe the most. (I've met Cathy personally and I'm still in loose email contact with her and Mark - they are no liers, but whistleblowers.)
- Vitiligo: it can neither be inherited nor is it any dangerous - and you cannot bleach your skin either to that extent. Vitiligo, according to German New Medicine (R) (La Medicina Sagrada) is a smart reaction of the body to a very, very mean and disgusting conflict of being separated. Normally you get "the white skin" in those areas where the most or last skin contact with the 'lost' person or thing has occured. As Michael seems to have "white skin" all over his body one can only estimate that the very mean and disgusting loss is the loss of "himself" or his "persona" or his "individuum". Now, after his hoax, finding back to himself, he will most probably have solved his conflict and thus the body will start its repair work - turning his skin to his "normal" color. (The healing takes as long as the conflict was, timewise. So, with Michael it will takes years...)
Oh, I forgot: DIDed persons mostly break up their DID's around the age of 40 to 50. Now that fits quite well with Michael, doesn't it? Another break-up can happen, if the person gets pregnant before the age of 25. Yet, Michael being a man that would not have been possible for him. ;) Yet we all have seen this happen: Britney Spears. She was DIDed through her involvement at Disney's Michey Mouse Club. (You can read all this in Cathy's books.)
I think Michael definitely was DIDed to some extent, one aspect being his "Peter Pan" persona. (Cathy was programmed with "Alice in Wonderland", she was Alice.)
I just found a very, very new forum on the net, which deals with many themes and topics. It's quite new, so not many posts and members there yet, you might wanna check it out, though (never mind you'll see a lot of posts from me there... :) ).
http://makeachange.50.forumer.com (http://makeachange.50.forumer.com)
Thats a lot of information I haven't heard before. Very interesting. The separation causing Vitiligo makes sense. I think most diseases are a reaction to something emotional.
Cathy O'brien must be an incredibly strong woman to have gone through what she has and to have come out the other side is amazing. I bet she would be an interesting person to contact about this theory. She would probably be able to give some advice. If you think appropriate, then maybe you could. ;)
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Thanks for the info...I'm gonna have where I seen that it wears thin late 20s earlier 30..I believe it was in the article on tiger woods, stating that his is probly wearing off hints him retiring
I also read there was a peter pan treatment yesterday also, but he also loved all disney things so who knows what they used
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@ Believe777: yes, Cathy is really a very strong person. And despite her horrible life, she's a wonderful person, too. And so is Mark!
About writing to Cathy on Michael Jackson - I had done that quite some time ago. I had also shared this email on old MJHD, but just in case - here it is again. You might not like everything you read - but please keep in mind that this MK Ultra and DID stuff is really bad and the person DIDed sometimes is really not "him/herself". Oh, and maybe this email clears for once and all that Michael was not in England to rid of drugs - he was there for deprogramming! (pls accept that I've taken out my name and email address)
Hi Cathy, hi Mark,
sorry to bother you once more - just a question (again). As I know now (from your book) that Michael Jackson (and most other "big stars") are mind-controlled, and with his court charge now, do you think he could uncover what's going on, and what he is a victim of??? I know that this would be strong stuff especially for his fans.
Of course, I don't know if he knows about his mind-control, but you wrote that he was taken out of that clinic in England before being deprogrammed. But, what has he got to loose?
At least, if he could make up his mind (if that's possible 'cause he's not deprogrammed yet!) to speak out the whole world would at least could shaken and maybe an avalanche of awakening could be started.
What do you think?
I guess, though, that also his lawers are in control and would not dare to let him speak ! out (again, if he 'understands' it at all).
And again: the truth will set you free - but first it will piss you off.
Love,
Hi XXX !
Good to hear from you.
Yes indeed Michael Jackson could have made a world of difference (back before he got into trouble with the first child he settled out of court with) in alerting the people as to what his & his brothers and sisters experienced at the hands of their abusive sadistic father.
His sister Latoya went public and even wrote/published a book about the abusive family and the sexual, physical & horrendous psychological abuses she , Michael & the others all endured at the hands of her sadistic father and how he used the mind numbing cult of Jehovah's Witness to lock it all in their minds. the other night VH1 ran a incredible one hour special on Michael Jackson and brought absolutely everything out facts wise about why Michael is the mess he is in and who was responsible and how he did it... Michaels' father. Remember when Michael fled to England in 1996... and Liz Taylor had him committed and then after "concerned parties in the US" namely CIA... demanded his return, she had her business manager go an international TV and expose the fact that Michael was a victim of mind control by his father and he needed help or he would become someone who he wouldn't want to be.
The facts are most people who were sexually abused before age 5 and after as well...and do not receive qualified therapy... become sexual abusers/predators themselves. We wrote about this in our 1991-92-93 Congressional testimonies...(& briefly covered Michael Jackson as being a victim of his father) later publicly released (1995) in TRANCE .
No , my friend...Michael already has spoken out and told the truth as best he could without being recovered...so have many others, including his own sister and others who worked with him and even top psychologists and psychiatrists who had worked with him at times.. both for and against him.. all with the same truths.. and no it won't make any difference for him or informing the world because it's not a media event like his trial is & will be.
I know one of his primary lawyers and I can assure you this one is honest and VERY good and would NOT work on a legal team that wasn't working in Michael's best interests.... and will bring out in the trial any/all facts he can to help Michael... though the problem is the miserable media won't cover that part.
Christine, this lack of mainstream media coverage for someone as well known as Michael Jackson.. is the reason why we do what we do to inform globally about mind control and give victims/survivors a voice. We've made HUGE positive strides in public awareness and with mental health & law enforcement professionals... and we remember well when we began we were forbidden in all situations to even use the words "mind control".
This has been accomplished through hard dedicated work and continues to be done with total sacrifice of our time, our health at one point and always our finances...because, aside from only a handful of good folks over the past decade (who can't afford much) no one in a financial position with a disposable income will step up & donate help to us so we can be their voice and help others. Why because of two factors.. one we are not allowed by law as US gov whistleblowers to solicit donations and we don't have a not for profit organization or a 501c3 tax exemption to offer .This is why I must stop us from doing radio shows or TV talk show appearances far too often ...and instead do airport landing rights consulting, or train foreign corporate intel persons, or build high performance computers. I must work to pay our basic bills just so we can keep the momentum going.
So far so good.
I do hope all of this info helps.
Take care friend!!
Mark (& Cathy too!)
And about Vitiligo: there are a few videos on youtube showing black people with Vitiligo, and also a very good one showing Michael's Vitiligo......
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I have a question,she said he got deprogrammed in 1996 but I thought he was in "rehab" in 1993
@ Believe777: yes, Cathy is really a very strong person. And despite her horrible life, she's a wonderful person, too. And so is Mark!
About writing to Cathy on Michael Jackson - I had done that quite some time ago. I had also shared this email on old MJHD, but just in case - here it is again. You might not like everything you read - but please keep in mind that this MK Ultra and DID stuff is really bad and the person DIDed sometimes is really not "him/herself". Oh, and maybe this email clears for once and all that Michael was not in England to rid of drugs - he was there for deprogramming! (pls accept that I've taken out my name and email address)
Hi Cathy, hi Mark,
sorry to bother you once more - just a question (again). As I know now (from your book) that Michael Jackson (and most other "big stars") are mind-controlled, and with his court charge now, do you think he could uncover what's going on, and what he is a victim of??? I know that this would be strong stuff especially for his fans.
Of course, I don't know if he knows about his mind-control, but you wrote that he was taken out of that clinic in England before being deprogrammed. But, what has he got to loose?
At least, if he could make up his mind (if that's possible 'cause he's not deprogrammed yet!) to speak out the whole world would at least could shaken and maybe an avalanche of awakening could be started.
What do you think?
I guess, though, that also his lawers are in control and would not dare to let him speak ! out (again, if he 'understands' it at all).
And again: the truth will set you free - but first it will piss you off.
Love,
Hi XXX !
Good to hear from you.
Yes indeed Michael Jackson could have made a world of difference (back before he got into trouble with the first child he settled out of court with) in alerting the people as to what his & his brothers and sisters experienced at the hands of their abusive sadistic father.
His sister Latoya went public and even wrote/published a book about the abusive family and the sexual, physical & horrendous psychological abuses she , Michael & the others all endured at the hands of her sadistic father and how he used the mind numbing cult of Jehovah's Witness to lock it all in their minds. the other night VH1 ran a incredible one hour special on Michael Jackson and brought absolutely everything out facts wise about why Michael is the mess he is in and who was responsible and how he did it... Michaels' father. Remember when Michael fled to England in 1996... and Liz Taylor had him committed and then after "concerned parties in the US" namely CIA... demanded his return, she had her business manager go an international TV and expose the fact that Michael was a victim of mind control by his father and he needed help or he would become someone who he wouldn't want to be.
The facts are most people who were sexually abused before age 5 and after as well...and do not receive qualified therapy... become sexual abusers/predators themselves. We wrote about this in our 1991-92-93 Congressional testimonies...(& briefly covered Michael Jackson as being a victim of his father) later publicly released (1995) in TRANCE .
No , my friend...Michael already has spoken out and told the truth as best he could without being recovered...so have many others, including his own sister and others who worked with him and even top psychologists and psychiatrists who had worked with him at times.. both for and against him.. all with the same truths.. and no it won't make any difference for him or informing the world because it's not a media event like his trial is & will be.
I know one of his primary lawyers and I can assure you this one is honest and VERY good and would NOT work on a legal team that wasn't working in Michael's best interests.... and will bring out in the trial any/all facts he can to help Michael... though the problem is the miserable media won't cover that part.
Christine, this lack of mainstream media coverage for someone as well known as Michael Jackson.. is the reason why we do what we do to inform globally about mind control and give victims/survivors a voice. We've made HUGE positive strides in public awareness and with mental health & law enforcement professionals... and we remember well when we began we were forbidden in all situations to even use the words "mind control".
This has been accomplished through hard dedicated work and continues to be done with total sacrifice of our time, our health at one point and always our finances...because, aside from only a handful of good folks over the past decade (who can't afford much) no one in a financial position with a disposable income will step up & donate help to us so we can be their voice and help others. Why because of two factors.. one we are not allowed by law as US gov whistleblowers to solicit donations and we don't have a not for profit organization or a 501c3 tax exemption to offer .This is why I must stop us from doing radio shows or TV talk show appearances far too often ...and instead do airport landing rights consulting, or train foreign corporate intel persons, or build high performance computers. I must work to pay our basic bills just so we can keep the momentum going.
So far so good.
I do hope all of this info helps.
Take care friend!!
Mark (& Cathy too!)
And about Vitiligo: there are a few videos on youtube showing black people with Vitiligo, and also a very good one showing Michael's Vitiligo......
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I jus wanted to say ma thanks for all them there kind messages about ma goin back to git some edumacatin. Bein a old old man of 92 next birthday ( though I don't rightly know when ma birthday be as my momma raised 68 children in a one room shack in the Blue Mountains and she never had no time for givin us names and such)
I thanks ya all for being so right kindly to me and sending yo encorigamint, specially Miss Souza who say she gonna oil the wheels on ma zimmer frame so they don't squeak no mo and Miss Mo who say she gonna teach me cursin words in Holland language.
Missy Lala ,,I KNOWS you a fine lady , I feels it when I reads your lovely words what you wrote to me.
Ima tired now, I better get my Grandma to git me to bed.( she very very old)
Gab ri el
Oh G, 'ow do you do what every time...
I got jammed in traffic due ter da @#(*&YTYGR%$% snow in Amsterdam, dis is 'ow what wen' on fer 'aaahrs (excusez mon français):
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv102/tiny12359/cat.jpg)
It an' allk me 4 fuckin' 'aaahrs ter get 'ome, wiv a boat similar ter dis:
(http://www.mycathatesyou.com/images/cats/2006/08/gorilla.jpg)
Where I found aaaht what me in'ernet provider what told me 2 weeks ago: "WELCOME ONLINE" still didn't GET me online, which resulted in an even mawer 'orrific expression:
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u66/stormiii1/scary_cat.jpg)
At what poin' I realllly thought I was goin' cuckoo, so I thought a smoke would 'elp, which didn't
(http://www.madhouse-cattery.de/mad_cat.jpg)
Ten even a dogs dinner plan' an' pot barf did any bee's knees:
(http://jacobspears.com/upload/Image/madcat.jpg)
But then I read yaaahr posts an' all was well again. Know what I mean?:
(http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/draft_lens1938996module9059666photo_1207854229Laughing_Cat.JPG)
Thanks fer da laughs G, you made me day! Well....what's left ov it.
And I'll oil your wheels anytime ov caaahrse, I'll do i' dis Saturday, maybe I gok wan walk you ken' n dover da Gabriel Walker route fer an 'aaahr awer two, you need some exercise at your age! OK? Ima ter call you Gabriel Zimmer Frame from now on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_(mobility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_(mobility))
Laughin' me fuckin' butt off!
And gok wan you do me a favor in return? Can I please borrow your Manolo's dis weekend? Ya know, tha pinky ones wi' shainy starrrrs? I 'ave a date wiv sum plan' an' pot dude I met in traffic jam:
(http://i31.tinypic.com/2hg8evn.jpg)
Innit a hotty?
;)
Love,
Souza
(Majadiliano na wewe kesho)
xxx
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Everyone,
Don't believe everything you read. Most times, we see with our eyes, thanks to God.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... ince+have+ (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=does+prince+have+vitiligo&search_type=&aq=0&oq=does+prince+have+)
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Again, look at luverz123456789's videos. Notice Blanket's hands in them and especially when he has on the masks when he is out with MJ shopping. I'll try to find the ones showing that he and Omer also have it. Tears came to my eyes when I saw that they too had it, months ago, because MJ probably worried about whether or not he should even father children, because he didn't want them to suffer like he's had to do.
Don't believe that crap post stating that it can't be passed on.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sour ... +vi&aqi=g1 (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=prince+jackson+has+vitiligo&aq=0&oq=prince+jackson+has+vi&aqi=g1)
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Everyone,
Don't believe everything you read. Most times, we see with our eyes, thanks to God.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... ince+have+ (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=does+prince+have+vitiligo&search_type=&aq=0&oq=does+prince+have+)
Yeah, but me eyes can read too ya know...
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Then knock yourself out, believe everything you read. MJ surely cautioned us against it. I've always understood his point, because I never have.
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Then knock yourself out, believe everything you read. MJ surely cautioned us against it. I've always understood his point, because I never have.
Ohhhhhh I think you underestimate me here...
But tell us, what is his point? Or even better, please provide us with a good, argumented and clever thread of your own? Ima lookin' fowa'd ter it!
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Again, look at luverz123456789's videos. Notice Blanket's hands in them and especially when he has on the masks when he is out with MJ shopping. I'll try to find the ones showing that he and Omer also have it. Tears came to my eyes when I saw that they too had it, months ago, because MJ probably worried about whether or not he should even father children, because he didn't want them to suffer like he's had to do.
Don't believe that crap post stating that it can't be passed on.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sour ... +vi&aqi=g1 (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=prince+jackson+has+vitiligo&aq=0&oq=prince+jackson+has+vi&aqi=g1)
I have her videos...
And lol @ u sayn don't believe everything you read when CLEARLY u didn't read, that wasn't a tabliod..its a medical site...lol
It never said it couldn't be passed on...the chances are 5 to 7%....3 out of 4 kids with it is clearly not 5 to 7%
And you shouldn't believe everything you see, esp from a random youtube person
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Everyone,
Don't believe everything you read. Most times, we see with our eyes, thanks to God.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... ince+have+ (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=does+prince+have+vitiligo&search_type=&aq=0&oq=does+prince+have+)
Answer me this? If vitiligo has such a strong genetic carryover then why doesn't more jacksons have it? If 3 of 4 of mjs kids have it then what 6 jacksons siblings should have it 2 rite
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I didn't read what you wrote. I glanced at what Cathy O'brien wrote. I read up on her years ago.
Don't get me wrong Souza. You all's research is always great and informative. I've known about the topic of the evil elite for years, and you noticed that I never wanted to go there by connecting MJ to them, although, I'd read about it. I did mention Walt Disney on the old board. The church of Satan is in LA, and more and more of the power elites plans are being exposed. Google HAARP technology and weather modification.
Check this out.
http://www.theindustryexposed.com (http://www.theindustryexposed.com)
I just don't think it'll solve anything as it pertains to the hoax to continue to conect MJ with those evil monsters now. Hopefully, he is way safe now.
Excuse me for linking the below here, but there are some links I could show you all that would blow your minds. Let's hope the below one is true. I'll start a new topic one day.
http://www.galacticfriends.com/updates/ ... n-410.html (http://www.galacticfriends.com/updates/nesara-canada/4337-kos-events-update-jan-410.html)
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I recall an interview, I believe it was with Schumley, where Michael said he hates to look at himself in the mirror because he thinks he looks like a lizard. That was a very strange comment to me. How in the world, I thought, could he see that when he sees his reflection. Has anyone every heard of the illuminati term reptillian? Credo Mutawa and David Icke also speaks of and are staunch believers of this theory. Its a kinda weird, alien invasion propaganda. But it is an illuminati theory with its premise hinging on mind control.
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I recall an interview, I believe it was with Schumley, where Michael said he hates to look at himself in the mirror because he thinks he looks like a lizard. That was a very strange comment to me. How in the world, I thought, could he see that when he sees his reflection. Has anyone every heard of the illuminati term reptillian? Credo Mutawa and David Icke also speaks of and are staunch believers of this theory. Its a kinda weird, alien invasion propaganda. But it is an illuminati theory with its premise hinging on mind control.
Hhmm.. interesting connection.
I assumed he said he looked like a lizard because he hates his looks and has body dysmorphia syndrome.
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It's also connected with 2012 and the Mayan historical beliefs.
http://www.crystalinks.com/mayancalendar.html
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I recall an interview, I believe it was with Schumley, where Michael said he hates to look at himself in the mirror because he thinks he looks like a lizard. That was a very strange comment to me. How in the world, I thought, could he see that when he sees his reflection. Has anyone every heard of the illuminati term reptillian? Credo Mutawa and David Icke also speaks of and are staunch believers of this theory. Its a kinda weird, alien invasion propaganda. But it is an illuminati theory with its premise hinging on mind control.
Hhmm.. interesting connection.
I assumed he said he looked like a lizard because he hates his looks and has body dysmorphia syndrome.
God, that better not be true, if they did that to him, that is the sickest, most disgusting.. I know it's important, I know I need to know, but the more I read about they may have done to that precious, precious creature the worse I feel.. Pleae, everyone, let's pray that this didn't happen, I know we have to investigate and I still will, but I pray every night that these things didn't happen..
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I think the vitiligo is a result of the drugs they gave him, but I am sure he didn't "brush it off". He is a black man and they made him a white man, even a white female. ...but your whole identity would be gone. Who are you? Who do you relate to? You would look different from your family, your siblings. Imagine that, that is not something you can 'brush off', that is something you would struggle with for the rest of your life.
I promised myself I would stay out of this discussion because the Illuminati/Mind Control stuff has nothing relevant to do with Michael, in my opinion.
However, since I AM black and know a thing or two about medical issues, let me just say that, first of all, nobody *gave* Michael vitiligo or caused him to have it. That suggestion is just pure science fiction and shows an enormous lack of medical knowledge.
Likewise, nobody made Michael a "white man." That suggestion is just fiction period and shows an enormous lack of medical knowledge, as well as a disturbing lack of knowledge of issues related to cultural and racial identity.
Third of all, having vitiligo did ***NOT*** make Michael's identity as a black man disappear or go away. Of course, he looked different and had to deal with that. But he ***NEVER EVER*** stopped being black, in his mind AND in reality. So what if he didn't look the same or like his family? He's not the only black person that has skin that light, with or without vitiligo.
LOTS of black people don't have the same skin tone as other members of their family. LOTS of people don't look like their relatives, no matter what color they are. Yet, somehow they still manage to carry on and get along just fine, especially when they come from a strong family, as Michael does.
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Hey Lorrie,
I too, wished to stay out of this subject---just because it is fraught with such scattershot twists and turns and can make you frightened and nuts, simply because of the confusion and depth of it. However, I must address something you said about it not being possible to give vitiligo to people.
Respectfully, it is possible to replicate symptoms and results of any disease or disorder in the body with pharmaceuticals. There has been for ages, a whole science of using drugs for warfare. Many thousands of times, the general use of a chemical substance has nothing to do with what it was developed for. Example: a certain type of sweetener which was developed as an insecticide...and now, everyone has cancer and adhd.
I know people who "developed" LUPUS, HEART (electrical)malfuctions, CANCER, and ALZHEIMERS, as a result of pharmaceuticals dispensed "just to see if this helps" in alleviating some non related ailment. There are two drugs which are able to depigment the skin, although they are not for that... I would not put it past ANY of the QUACKS around MJ to have deceived his trusting heart into taking the one, for the purpose of "anti-anxiety"---
I DO NOT KNOW this, ABOUT MJ---ok?
I do know that touring was stressful--way before he said it was, before he was on his own. He would have been able to sign for them legally at 18--"just to take the edge and subsequent aggression" out of touring (Said the Spider to the Fly...) AND, there also is a drug for acne which can screw up your entire life, psychologically and hormonally--even altering DNA. They didn't tell him THAT? "OOOOH, sorry. Medicine is not an exact science...Blah Blah Blah...."
There. I'm not telling tales about MJ or any one. I just think it is REALLY scary that the owner of one of the most BEAUTIFUL countenances in the world, before and after his nose was altered, got tricked into believing he needed some vulture like a dermatologist all his life. That is just like a mean devil to lie to such a beauty his whole life ABOUT his beauty.
Just saying, what they used to say in the seventies about drugs: "JUST SAY NO" :evil: Also, in the seventies, it used to be illegal to advertize prescription drugs on TV. What changed? The NWO taking more ground.
I don't know if you are a medical professional, or what, but I also have those in my family, too, and THEY were just as clueless! What they teach in medical school is the nice cover story. The last hospital my mother was in, the staff was administering vitamins, and medicines---AND a muscle relaxer, by IV, scheduled up to the HOUR she was scheduled to be unplugged from a ventilator by order of the "ethics committee". (their database said it was time for her 70 year old self to go) When I ordered them to stop the sedative, because it would have made it impossible for her to breathe on her own when "unplugged", NO one had been told she was being turned off in the morning! My own sister-in-law (nurse)was there and had NO clue--even swore the Dr. wouldn't prescribe what was in the chart for someone they were unplugging.
How many people have died and the story is that "they were REALLY sick "(--or old--or whatever). It is all fiction to promote pride of service in dispensing drugs to helpless people. It is NOT incompetance or accidental mixing of drugs. Anyone in health care knows how stringently things are checked and cross checked. But staff has NO idea that many times they are involved in nothing but murder facilitation, following doctors' written orders--NOT HEALTH care. NO one would be able to STAND their job, which they are STILL bound to a student loan for, if they were privy to the actual plans for people in their care.)
Think about it---one of the NWO or Unseen Hand, or whatever name one uses, plans HAS BEEN for decades, to kill a calculated amount of people worldwide every year: the infirm, the handicapped, the aged, the unborn(YEAH, I did say that. Many people bought into the propaganda that unborn people are not people, but a mere "inconvenience" which can be swiftly taken out of the way. This IS IT-what that was for!) to "prune" the planet. Does it make any sense that hundreds of billions of dollars are spent annually in developing chemicals to promote health and longevity? No. The powers that be only spend that kind of research money on that which they can utilize to conquer and control.
This thing is only going to get creepier as you all delve into it. And you are not immune to being "picked off" by them, either. I had to go to court to save my mom's life and they still killed her a few months later, when I was conveniently out of town. This beast is BIG. They got away with murder --& probably of everyone else who died on that ward the same week.
Say, does anyone remember the guy who stole a tank and was executed on the spot without letting him even exit the vehicle, when they stopped him as he drove through town?
Well, what do ya know? He was headed for the hospital in town with the "team" of drs. who had killed both of his aged parents while he was overseas in the military. That wasn't reported on the news. It came out in a documentary two years later. What was reported on the news was that some shell shocked psycho was detroying private property at random with the tank he stole. Well, of course--by all means KILL HIM, so he doesn't get YOUR stuff. NO one thought an original thought, that maybe he had discovered an unstoppable evil there in that building, worse than he had fought overseas.....
These are the times we are lucky enough to live in.....
I can't scare you at all, equal to how they scared me and the rest of my family. If Michael is mixed up in some ruthless dirty crap like this, you all better PRAY, because God is the only Savior, Almighty enough to rescue him and us.
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nice post, i did read the whole thing and i agree that i do think that it is possibly for them to have given him those aligments,and honestly when i first learned of him having that and lupus my first thoughts were if they gave that to him during his hospital stay after the fire...i mean these are the same people who sign,sealed and delivered aids and just like you stated they want to de-populate the world..and yes there is a drug for everything now days and i wonder why? :roll: its crazy to me seeing people having different drugs for there cough,sleep,pain,constipation to counter with the pain meds, anxiety, depression meds all in one purse! sharing those drugs not even thinking that if may counter act with something you are already taking or even stop your heart cold..being that i am a CphT, not working in that field anymore, the topic of drugs is something that is kinda personally for me and upsets me and everyday i realize more and more how f*ck*d we are...90% of the time i just want to give up and stop learning because there is no way out...were doomed for death and slavery
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I want to challage the statementabout being playfull at 28 years of age is not right in behavior. ie water guns... lots of people were playfull in the 1980s, we did the same thing, its just how it was in those days....
I agree. There is nothing wrong with being playful as an adult. Honestly, I wish more adults were like that nowadays but all you get are adults that are too busy to enjoy life that way. If you ever watched The Shining or read the book by Steven King, Jack Nickelson typed these words on the typewriter. "All work and no play makes Jackie a dull boy." I think that was his charactor's name.
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[quote michangelo » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:09 am
teensy wrote:
it is eye opening and will probably make you as mad and sad as we are.
I'm going to have to wait until tomorrow to read this then. I don't want to cry before bed. Actually, I already upset just by reading this because of the anticipation. I'll be braver tomorrow... and less sleepy.
To be honest, I'm scared. I don't want heartache. The Illuminati is a heavy topic for me. It's really painful. But I'm excited at the same time. I'm a mess.
Do not be sad Michael is a man like us all, and the music is Satan's trap and the illuminati.
Satan is the prince of the music and it appeals to people.
It is normal that the greatest singer and dancer of all time has fallen into the trap
without seeing or without meaning to.
But we must love it anyway, because he try to leave the Circle.
It was because of his refusal to illuminati he suffered then.
After THEY DONT CARE ABOUT US, it has been rejected and destroyed!
He really challenged the illuminati, he pays the price.
But are not we all owned by the illuminati?
The answer is YES we are.
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Satan was once Lucifer. He gift was music that God gave him to worship. Of course he has perverted the very gift God gave him and uses it in the industry today but not all music is satan's trap. Gifts and calling are without repentance. Just because you have a gift doesnt mean you are using it in godly way or a way that it helps people. Satan is a prime example of this. The gift was never taken away, he has used it bring many people down with him and soon he will be pay for it dearly.
I have been reading his lyrics more than listening to the beat with them to understand if there were messages in there that he was trying to get out. So many times, we are bopping our heads to music and not listening to the messages which is how music effects us subconciously. You could be listening to music that is telling you to murder someone, commit suicide but yet you are bopping and not reading the real meaning and root behind it that is how satan deceives masses through this like the Pidpiper.(<--- If I spelled it correctly.)[/quote]
You know? I've heard about that years ago about the hidden messages in some of the songs from some of the artists. Back in 84 or 85 some teenagers were listening to some music and it's been said that there were hidden messages in those lyrics that made them commit suicide. If there are any Motley Crue fans, I appoligize for what I'm about to say. Here are some of the lyrics to the song "All I Need." by Motley Crue.
The blade of my knife
Faced away from your heart
Those last few nights
It turned and sliced you apart
This love that I tell
Now feels lonely as hell
From this padded prison cell
So many times I said
You'd only be mine
I gave my blood and my tears
And loved you cyanide
When you took my lips
I took your breath
Sometimes love's better off dead
You're all I need, make you only mine
I loved you so I set you free
I had to take your life
You're all I need, you're all I need
And I loved you but you didn't love me Laid out cold
Now we're both alone
But killing you helped me keep you home
I guess it was bad
Cause love can be sad
But we finally made the news
Tied up smiling
I thought you were happy
Never opened your eyes
I thought you were napping
I got so much to learn
About love in this world
But we finally made the news
You're all I need, make you only mine
I loved you so, so I put you to sleep.
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I didn't read what you wrote.
Are you serious? Then why judge? I advise you to actually read the blog before you place comments like that.
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I didn't read what you wrote.
Are you serious? Then why judge? I advise you to actually read the blog before you place comments like that.
Ah Souz, history is repeating itself, nothing new here ;)
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I read some of your blog and not all of it on this subject. I didn't need to read it all. I got your point. And like I stated, I'd heard about a lot of what you were expouding on years ago, other than what you wrote about how MJ contracted vitiligo.
Then, I read some posts on this thread. The part I was referring to is when someone, other than you, posted that vitiligo wasn't hereditary. I wasn't even thinking that you wrote it, because again, I'd read it within someone else's post. To each its own for having that opinion. I took issue with it and disagreed. We are allowed to disagree and have our own opinions, are we not?
I have always defended your right to relay your theories (opinions) on the other board. I agree with a lot of what you have relayed. I love the way you all have researched so many things and put them in such good order. Your researching methods are commendable. But, that does not mean that I agree with each and every sentence you wrote.
I love you all's movie theory and think it is one of the greatest pieces I've ever read on this subject. I love how you all showed us the info on Culver City. I seriously think that you all were on to something then - and I think the same now. That is the theory, along with the ARG thingly that is going on in my opinion.
What does MJ's vitiligo have to do with the hoax by this point? I even believe that it may have been MJ at Universal studios on halloween night. I believe he was Hat Man at his own Memorial. I believe he was in the SUV with his brothers on 6-27-09. I believe that it may have been him jumping out of the coroner's van, and that he wanted it leaked, and I believe it was him at UCLA as they tried to hide him. These things to me are the important clues to this hoax. These things would mean that he is alive and well.
I think his family has his back, and may be in contact with him often. Why did they pick Santa Barbara for their lockdown? What was that concrete delivered at Neverland for? These are the things that I keep remembering that are important to this hoax. We all have our own beliefs, and our journeys to ascertaining the truth are similar in a lot of ways because we are here, but on the other hand, we all ascend to the truth in our own space and time. Not all of our beliefs and truths are the same. Hopefully, our goal in this case still is.
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Well said browneyedgirl !!! I totally agree with you. I'm also here interested in proving a death hoax or not and I find it hard to sift through the extra junk that clutters my mind when reading threads not related to "death hoax". I admit I thought of MJ being approached by the illuminati only because of their symbols plastered on his Dangerous album cover and placed in backgrounds of some videos. I see that as possibly being a warning or stating a "who" since it's no secret that the media is controlled by "them" and is why MJ was angry and why he wrote the lyrics he did. Granted Michael Jackson probably has a global following as large as some organized branches of religion, but I don't see him as a threat to the elite. I doubt there was any kidnapping and if the illuminati murdered him it would have been a cleaner job than the trail of screwed up circumstances we have seen. I'm still voting for freedom by way of "death hoax".
I'm just gonna spit out some random things here from my own perspective and experiences of life that aren't in any particular order and I am not preaching:
Some people totally have missed the meaning of MJ's life. I believe:
whatever God we were born from or family born into, we were given a specific purpose to serve in our lifetime, put on a path to follow. Some people recognize their purpose early on and are guided by family, teachers or friends. Some never figure out their purpose, were afraid to serve it or were discouraged.. Those who recognize their purpose feel an urgency, a constant nudging, a passion that drives them forward. Michael was meant to be a singer song writer, a messenger of sorts, an example of many things and we are lucky he has a spotlight to shine for all to witness. Through his personal pain, anguish and glory he has taught so much. Have we been paying attention? Talent like his is fed from a higher power. He was in touch with that and let it flow. When there was a wall he went around, over or under it to stay on his path.
I applaud that. I am thankful to have such a beautiful teacher.
Let's talk about disease. Let's talk about personality disorders. Let's talk about men wearing skirts or loving children. Let's take a hard look in the mirror of life shall we ? Let's stand in our brother's white socks for a moment or two from inside our perfect glass houses and I dare one of ya to throw the first stone.......... :roll:
Can you conceive the fact that we are all brothers and sisters on this planet ?
Do you know what a coroner has proof of after peeling the skin off a 1000 humans?
Have you ever googled what is most precious to a person living across the Earth from you?
I believe we are all brothers and sisters on this planet.
I know that when the color is peeled back we are all the same inside.
I imagine that no matter where on Earth we are, under what circumstance we are born that surely children deserve love, tears of pain hurt and tears of joy feel good and that we all need to eat to stay alive and that disease and war are devastating.
In fact I'm pretty sure that emotions are Universal and freedom of spirit is precious.
Can ya get inside Michael's mind ???
Michael's (exceptionally) excellent "Black or White" song/lyrics/video which I found a mis-understood version of on You Tube analyzing the dance at the end as proof of his alter egos. Interesting, but I don't think he had a personality disorder or alter egos any more than a other person does. Don't put me under a microscope - I don't have time to hear what crap you think !!! Being a WHITE female hippie born in the 50's I very much remember the "Black Panther" movement who's motto I always loved and still use, "Power to the People". During a vacation tour of Washington DC, I found it disturbing to discover the "Black Only" - "White Only" signs posted on drinking fountains. Yeah, even at the age of 10 I knew that was wrong ! Power to the People - to have the freedom we deserve - to be proud of our heritage - to live our God given path without having to explain. It's like I'm saying >>> Hey you over there - I breath my own air, I shit my own shit, stay out of my space, Stop Doggin me Around, leave me alone to be who I am, thank you.
Tell me what has become of my rights
Am I invisible because you ignore me?
Your proclamation promised me free liberty, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of shame
They're throwing me in a class with a bad name
I can't believe this is the land from which I came
You know I do really hate to say it
The government don't wanna see
But if Roosevelt was livin'
He wouldn't let this be, no, no
lyrics from Michael's mouth or sung from one neighbor to another ????
I admire Michael's gifts.
I honor his existence and integrity.
I love him as my brother on this Earth.
I trust he is safe taking care of business best he can.
I hope he is having sleepovers with his children and they are resting well in the arms of each other.
I believe that Karma will eventually show it's power.
And I still want to prove there is a death hoax until proved otherwise.
Peace, Love xoxox
Thank you. Now, that's what I am talking about. We are about the same age. I remember those times, too.
Chilites - "Power To The People", song.
I couldn't have said the below part better myself. It is how I feel. Isn't this what most of us feel or should? I think some people on these type of forums could care less whether MJ is doing well or not. Some just like the sensationalisim of the thought that he may have hoaxed his death.
Important point. I've never held the belief that MJ was perfect or some messiah. I just have always looked at his HEART. The heart of man/woman is where it's at. I loved his heart. He couldn't fake that, and the power elite couldn't crush it. His family, children and close friends also loved his heart. That is the true measure of any human being. And like MJ always sung and spoke about, L.O.V.E. is the key, and should be. We'd be kidding ourselves if we thought everyone gets that.
"I admire Michael's gifts.
I honor his existence and integrity.
I love him as my brother on this Earth.
I trust he is safe taking care of business best he can.
I hope he is having sleepovers with his children and they are resting well in the arms of each other.
I believe that Karma will eventually show it's power.
And I still want to prove there is a death hoax until proved otherwise."
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The vitiligo itself is not important to the hoax, of course not.
Vitiligo is indeed hereditary, but the chance you get it is very low. BUT:
It can be triggered with certain drugs and stress, and THAT is my point. It can also be caused by certain drugs that effect and destroy your genes. Which means that if Mike was indeed abused that way as a child and controlled with certain drugs, like the Sodium Fluoride (read: obedience drug) there is a big chance that was the cause of the Vitiligo.
I would really appreciate it that if people reply in threads, they would read it all, before they reply. If we refer to our previous blog, means that there is info there that explains where we are coming from.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, of course they are. But if you disagree, you should also explain why, and read the whole thing and not just snippets. THAT is how we can get further with the in, not by bashing eachother and state something is BS, while you didn't even read it all..
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Hey Lorrie,
I too, wished to stay out of this subject---just because it is fraught with such scattershot twists and turns and can make you frightened and nuts, simply because of the confusion and depth of it. However, I must address something you said about it not being possible to give vitiligo to people.
Respectfully, it is possible to replicate symptoms and results of any disease or disorder in the body with pharmaceuticals. There has been for ages, a whole science of using drugs for warfare. Many thousands of times, the general use of a chemical substance has nothing to do with what it was developed for. Example: a certain type of sweetener which was developed as an insecticide...and now, everyone has cancer and adhd.
I know people who "developed" LUPUS, HEART (electrical)malfuctions, CANCER, and ALZHEIMERS, as a result of pharmaceuticals dispensed "just to see if this helps" in alleviating some non related ailment. There are two drugs which are able to depigment the skin, although they are not for that... I would not put it past ANY of the QUACKS around MJ to have deceived his trusting heart into taking the one, for the purpose of "anti-anxiety"---
I DO NOT KNOW this, ABOUT MJ---ok?
I do know that touring was stressful--way before he said it was, before he was on his own. He would have been able to sign for them legally at 18--"just to take the edge and subsequent aggression" out of touring (Said the Spider to the Fly...) AND, there also is a drug for acne which can screw up your entire life, psychologically and hormonally--even altering DNA. They didn't tell him THAT? "OOOOH, sorry. Medicine is not an exact science...Blah Blah Blah...."
There. I'm not telling tales about MJ or any one. I just think it is REALLY scary that the owner of one of the most BEAUTIFUL countenances in the world, before and after his nose was altered, got tricked into believing he needed some vulture like a dermatologist all his life. That is just like a mean devil to lie to such a beauty his whole life ABOUT his beauty.
This thing is only going to get creepier as you all delve into it. And you are not immune to being "picked off" by them, either. I had to go to court to save my mom's life and they still killed her a few months later, when I was conveniently out of town. This beast is BIG. They got away with murder --& probably of everyone else who died on that ward the same week.
Say, does anyone remember the guy who stole a tank and was executed on the spot without letting him even exit the vehicle, when they stopped him as he drove through town?
Well, what do ya know? He was headed for the hospital in town with the "team" of drs. who had killed both of his aged parents while he was overseas in the military. That wasn't reported on the news. It came out in a documentary two years later. What was reported on the news was that some shell shocked psycho was detroying private property at random with the tank he stole. Well, of course--by all means KILL HIM, so he doesn't get YOUR stuff. NO one thought an original thought, that maybe he had discovered an unstoppable evil there in that building, worse than he had fought overseas.....
These are the times we are lucky enough to live in.....
I can't scare you at all, equal to how they scared me and the rest of my family. If Michael is mixed up in some ruthless dirty crap like this, you all better PRAY, because God is the only Savior, Almighty enough to rescue him and us.
God, I know what you mean.. With or without his nose altered, whatever, he is so beautiful.. those f*ckers, this stuff about giving vitiligo.. I was so worried about reading all of this, too, and I knew, I broke down almost as bad as the 25th and every time I think about it I'm a mess.. this is some sick, sick sh*t and I have been praying, I assure you..
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And like we all know Fluoride is in Water it can also cause cancer, I remember a few days after Michael's ''Death'' there was some kind of Doctor on CNN who said Michael was dehydriated he didn't want to drink water (I can't find the video at the moment if someone can it would be much appreciated) I would recommend everyone to watch these videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi1QrgPAnvI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi1QrgPAnvI)
Part 1 to 5.
It is also good to know this and very important but it also comes out to the point of water and what the fluoride can do to someone we are infected with this EVERYDAY, when we shower, when we drink it etc. Now I understand why Michael was dehydraited and almost would have died if the doctor didn't got him to the hospital.
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Here ya go:
[youtube:2r2pt7ck]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HluEtIMI0VY[/youtube:2r2pt7ck]
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Thank you Mo!
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WOW! Thank you so much for that Mo!!!
I can officially say I LOOOOOVE Dick Gregory!
I'm so glad he was there to help. <3
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Four industryrelated add-ons as to water and MJ (apart of any who maybe tried to impact):
1) Michael showed signs of dehydration also in March at O2 conference.
You'll see it if you look at the hands and fingertips. They look like those of a 70 year old man.
The difficulty adding to this is the fact of the swollen finger joints.
Arthritis or rheumatism - both not nice to organs either and one of the dangers is the risk of rheumatism of the heart which gets hidden by taking painkillers for the aching joints.
The risk of a heart attack triples with rheumatism.
2) Wouldn't it be logical if we think of fluoride impact to add hydrogen peroxide that is being used for desinfection e.g. in oral hygiene product, tooth paste, tooth whitening, chewing gum, bleach for fabrics, washing detergents, etc.
Hydrogen peroxide is poisonous such as chlorine - and it is used to bleach both skin and hairs.
Remember the kids. They got used to chewing gum as much as their dad. Prince and Blanket have vitiligo too.
3) Another issue is chlorine poisoning. In California, it is very hard to find any faucet that does not spit out chlorine in the water. The amount added to public water resources is so high that even taking a shower can turn into a disgusting event. Even crushed ice from the machines would contain chlorine. The only alternative is imported french bottled water.
4) The water California is using comes a long way from the mountains north of Sacramento and thus may be crossing areas of gold rush. There may be a potential that mercury could be washed into the water. Mercury was used for gold-mining at the time.
Hoping that they are as good in water supply, lab's analyses and securing water quality there as they are in investigative quality ;-)
Honestly, in France authorities managed to get a city infected by bacteria due to a strike of water supply staff and they had no other recipe than (only 6 weeks after the first citizens got ill) to add chlorine and advice "boil the water". It happens. Sometimes even on purpose.
http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=de&tl=en (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.travelworldonline.de%2Fkalifornienwasserversorgung.html&sl=de&tl=en)
[For example, toxic waste water stain from an old mine a portion of the upper Sacramento River milky green. Thinning of the river, to make the water safe again and searching for fish at the bottom of the river, which cost 1 300 000 liters of water reservoirs in the last year. ]
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The risk of a heart attack triples with rheumatism.
Michael supposedly "died" of cardiac arrest not a heart attack and there is a significant difference between the two.
A heart attack, or myocardial infarction, occurs when a coronary artery (one of the arteries that supplies blood to the heart muscle) becomes suddenly blocked. The sudden blockage robs a portion of the heart muscle of its vital blood supply, and the muscle dies. So a heart attack is the death of a part of the heart muscle.
The supposed leaked autopsy stated that his heart/arteries showed no signs of plaque build up etc that would have caused a heart attack.
A cardiac arrest, in contrast, is caused by a sudden heart arrhythmia called ventricular fibrillation. In ventricular fibrillation, the electrical signals within the heart suddenly become completely chaotic. Because these electrical signals control the timing and the organization of the heartbeat, when those signals degenerate to total chaos, the heart suddenly stops beating. That is, it goes into "cardiac arrest." The most common outcome of a cardiac arrest is sudden death.
http://heartdisease.about.com/od/palpitationsarrhythmias/f/cardarrest.htm
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The risk of a heart attack triples with rheumatism.
Michael supposedly "died" of cardiac arrest not a heart attack and there is a significant difference between the two.
A heart attack, or myocardial infarction, occurs when a coronary artery (one of the arteries that supplies blood to the heart muscle) becomes suddenly blocked. The sudden blockage robs a portion of the heart muscle of its vital blood supply, and the muscle dies. So a heart attack is the death of a part of the heart muscle.
The supposed leaked autopsy stated that his heart/arteries showed no signs of plaque build up etc that would have caused a heart attack.
A cardiac arrest, in contrast, is caused by a sudden heart arrhythmia called ventricular fibrillation. In ventricular fibrillation, the electrical signals within the heart suddenly become completely chaotic. Because these electrical signals control the timing and the organization of the heartbeat, when those signals degenerate to total chaos, the heart suddenly stops beating. That is, it goes into "cardiac arrest." The most common outcome of a cardiac arrest is sudden death.
http://heartdisease.about.com/od/palpitationsarrhythmias/f/cardarrest.htm
Thank you so much for this post.
I've had a couple of family members, on my husband's side (he's getting regular check ups because he had a myocarditis -infection of the heart muscle- some time ago) who died due to an infarct, my mum and dad both died of a cardiac arrest due to different pathologies (brain ataxia and lung emphysema) and their arteries were clear... Thanks again for pointing out the difference, it means a lot to me. Ty
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IMO nobody died neither from heart attack nor from cardiac arrest - just in case you might think that.
I wanted to point out that in real life, the idea of hiring a cardiology expert would not have been so strange in the tide of events (and given what was obvious reality in the pictures) as it may have appeared in the beginning.
However, I also think that Mr. Murray is not a cardiology expert - but more a love expert following the logic of the stories we are being told.
I think I better log off now before I start laughing...
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@Grace : I hear what you are saying :)
Let's not forget Michael wasn't living a 'normal' life. IMO he just wanted a specialist near him, not only to give check ups but also to provide him with everything he needed.
I've heard stranger stories.... I mean, if I'm not feeling well, I go see my GP
I don't know if Dr. Murray is a cardiologist. But what keeps me wondering is that a doctor gives up his practice and devote his entire time to just one patient.... there is only healing for one person in that case...
I have no medical background, but I really don't think that that is what is ment by the Hippocrates (or Hippocratic) oath
Wonder where the word 'hypocrite' comes from... :lol:
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IMO nobody died neither from heart attack nor from cardiac arrest - just in case you might think that.
I purposely used the words supposed and supposedly in my previous post as I believe that Michael is alive. My point was that your posts suggested that it appeared Michael was suffering from dehydration which could be a possible cause for a heart attack. I was only pointing out that the SUPPOSED cause of his reported demise (fake) was attributed to cardiac arrest which is not the same thing as a heart attack. I am not being disrespectful I just think we should be clear on what we are being presented with in this "death hoax".
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WHY posting all this confusing stuff. Did YOU investigate illuminati/freemasons?? Well I did. What you are mentioning MO is NOT correct...there are different TYPES illuminati AND those symbols are also used...well find out yourself....and you'll have the credits....can you do the research in onde day whilst i did in 5 years???
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what does it mean in freemasionery to have one half of your blous out of your trousers... recall remember and do research..i already knew.. haha i am sure my post will be removed. :roll:
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what does it mean in freemasionery to have one half of your blous out of your trousers... recall remember and do research..i already knew.. haha i am sure my post will be removed. :roll:
Then post it whitesocks, if you know so well. This site is to SHARE info and not only ACT like you have it....
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what does it mean in freemasionery to have one half of your blous out of your trousers... recall remember and do research..i already knew.. haha i am sure my post will be removed. :roll:
Then post it whitesocks, if you know so well. This site is to SHARE info and not only ACT like you have it....
Because alot of my postings are stolen and put in different meanings. I cannot explain in 1 post as i said i did investigate for 5 years. That is why i went to Potugal for reasearch to Madeleine McCann !!!!!!!!!!!
I do NOT go further in this, but people believe what you are posting, and it is NOT reliable becaue there are different SECTIONS in IT. Lodges for example. Impossible...
So do research before giving a statement..This is very dangerous stufff..do NOT burn your fingers. Especcialy because this IS a PUBLIC forum to read.
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WHY posting all this confusing stuff. Did YOU investigate illuminati/freemasons?? Well I did. What you are mentioning MO is NOT correct...there are different TYPES illuminati AND those symbols are also used...well find out yourself....and you'll have the credits....can you do the research in onde day whilst i did in 5 years???
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what does it mean in freemasionery to have one half of your blous out of your trousers... recall remember and do research..i already knew.. haha i am sure my post will be removed. :roll:
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what does it mean in freemasionery to have one half of your blous out of your trousers... recall remember and do research..i already knew.. haha i am sure my post will be removed. :roll:
Then post it whitesocks, if you know so well. This site is to SHARE info and not only ACT like you have it....
I hate that cutting in half posts... why do people do that : either you quote someone or you don't; it's like putting words into someone's mouth without the whole sentence, only incoherent words, you know.
Besides, it is not so difficult to obtain info on freemasonery... google them and you'll find out they're not so secret anymore and if you want to know more, ask them
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what does it mean in freemasionery to have one half of your blous out of your trousers... recall remember and do research..i already knew.. haha i am sure my post will be removed. :roll:
Then post it whitesocks, if you know so well. This site is to SHARE info and not only ACT like you have it....
Because alot of my postings are stolen and put in different meanings. I cannot explain in 1 post as i said i did investigate for 5 years. That is why i went to Potugal for reasearch to Madeleine McCann !!!!!!!!!!!
I do NOT go further in this, but people believe what you are posting, and it is NOT reliable becaue there are different SECTIONS in IT. Lodges for example. Impossible...
So do research before giving a statement..This is very dangerous stufff..do NOT burn your fingers. Especcialy because this IS a PUBLIC forum to read.
So Freemasons and Illuminati are the same thing? Illuminati is a theory itself...Freemasons do meet up as a lodge. The Admins' theory is based on the Illuminati, not Freemasonry. Or do I have to go and read this theory for the billionth time?
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So Freemasons and Illuminati are the same thing? Illuminati is a theory itself...Freemasons do meet up as a lodge. The Admins' theory is based on the Illuminati, not Freemasonry. Or do I have to go and read this theory for the billionth time?
I see Illuminati and Freemasons as one and the same because the documentairy I saw on the History Channel told that when almost every member from the Illuminati was killed the remaining members merged themselves with the Freemasons. But in the present now I don't know if they are one and the same maybe they I don't know for sure I'm still doing ALOT of research on this.
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So Freemasons and Illuminati are the same thing? Illuminati is a theory itself...Freemasons do meet up as a lodge. The Admins' theory is based on the Illuminati, not Freemasonry. Or do I have to go and read this theory for the billionth time?
They are definitely different, but Souza is asking for more elaboration on the subject. Besides, things are lightening up, Freemasonery is much more accessible nowadays (informationwise to say the least, they are on the net, something unthinkable not so long ago).
And IMO Illuminati and Freemasons have lots in commun...
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what does it mean in freemasionery to have one half of your blous out of your trousers... recall remember and do research..i already knew.. haha i am sure my post will be removed. :roll:
Then post it whitesocks, if you know so well. This site is to SHARE info and not only ACT like you have it....
Because alot of my postings are stolen and put in different meanings. I cannot explain in 1 post as i said i did investigate for 5 years. That is why i went to Potugal for reasearch to Madeleine McCann !!!!!!!!!!!
I do NOT go further in this, but people believe what you are posting, and it is NOT reliable becaue there are different SECTIONS in IT. Lodges for example. Impossible...
So do research before giving a statement..This is very dangerous stufff..do NOT burn your fingers. Especcialy because this IS a PUBLIC forum to read.
If you have info, then share it. If you find it too dangerous, PM it to me and I will post it. I will dance on the devil's lap if necessary to get this out in the open. FEAR is what is destroying this world. If we would all shut up because we are afraid, we will have no freedom of speech at all in a few years.
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This is very dangerous stufff..do NOT burn your fingers. Especcialy because this IS a PUBLIC forum to read.
Now what in the world is THAT supposed to mean?!
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I have seen on many illuminati threads warnings are issued. FACT: In certain parts of the world, illuminati secrets are only told to persons who are willing to "pass the test". It is horrid. Once you "pass the test" you are informed. However, the consequences of ever speaking what you know is death. Thus the secret society label. You basically sell your soul for the secrets.
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Fear is what kept intact a whole lot of bad things for a long time like fi. slavery, racism, sexism, suppression in general and I could go on and on. We should know better by now and not be led by fear, because fear is just a physical reaction to get the adrenaline going in case of danger..... we are not just mindless creatures....
If you have something to say, then say it. If you haven't got anything to say or are afraid to say it, then be silent and say nothing but don't lead on or play with people's heads out of fear.... :? :roll:
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This is very dangerous stufff..do NOT burn your fingers. Especcialy because this IS a PUBLIC forum to read.
If its so dangerous why are u here letting it be known that you know inside stuff?if its so dangerous why would you tell someone to do a search for the dangerous info and then post about it? And the different lodges don't even matter in reguards 2 this nor does the meaning of half the shirt n or out....I think u wanna feel special that you "know" some inside info that's "dangerous" yet you can type in illuminati and michael and a shit load of the same things are already on the net and been there pre hoax
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bad_girl » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:21 pm
wow!!!!! is all i can say... not that i agree or disagree with any particular theory above another, but we cannot dismiss anything, no matter who might feel hurt about it!!! it is in no way disrespecting mj, we are all here because we want to know the truth
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:) Thanks for sharing this!! Sometimes things that do get explained is in no intent to disrespect him.
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This is a bit scary, but I think it's something we all need to know about. Thanks Mo and Souza.
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But what keeps me wondering is that a doctor gives up his practice and devote his entire time to just one patient.... there is only healing for one person in that case...
You know, you hit THE nail on the head...
;-)
Remember the good-bye letter of Murray to his patients?
Assuming that Michael is stearing Murray, re-read it pls.
Just replace "patients" by "fans". ;-)
Doesn't this give the plan for the hoax?
Right in front of our eyes in a public letter in a gossip channel in order to reach everybody?
[attachment=0:a165txrd]murray letter to patients 20090615.jpg[/attachment:a165txrd]
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-thi ... y+patients (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/letter-from-dr-m-to-patients-dated-june-15th-2009-t1672.htm?highlight=letter+murray+patients)
That's the original link to TMZ, the brickmen:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-j ... ractice/15 (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-jacksons-doc-quit-medical-practice/15)
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@ its her
nice post, i did read the whole thing and i agree that i do think that it is possibly for them to have given him those aligments,and honestly when i first learned of him having that and lupus my first thoughts were if they gave that to him during his hospital stay after the fire...i mean these are the same people who sign,sealed and delivered aids and just like you stated they want to de-populate the world..and yes there is a drug for everything now days and i wonder why? :roll: its crazy to me seeing people having different drugs for there cough,sleep,pain,constipation to counter with the pain meds, anxiety, depression meds all in one purse! sharing those drugs not even thinking that if may counter act with something you are already taking or even stop your heart cold..being that i am a CphT, not working in that field anymore, the topic of drugs is something that is kinda personally for me and upsets me and everyday i realize more and more how f*ck*d we are...90% of the time i just want to give up and stop learning because there is no way out...were doomed for death and slavery
I'm sorry I didn't leave you with too much hope! I have a tendency to empty my mind as I post, instead of only giving a piece of it!! :lol: But...don't EVER give up hope!! Especially don't stop learning---God wants us to be the best we can be, so we each can offer our service to each other. My brain is sometimes so cluttered with what I call trivia, mental post-its, it's just bits and pieces of facts and information, seemingly SO disjointed, I wish I could dump some of it............then, I come across the path of someone who is turned inside out by some thing that I have just ONE phrase of the answer to! It is a mysterious working of LOVE towards them, which did not originate with me! You see, I asked God to help me make my time here COUNT, once, and it's just one of little tiny things like this that give me hope for the Earth and Human race.
I have hope, because HE keeps giving people answers and help, as if He is on our side {Of COURSE, He IS!!! We just got through Xmas! Remember when He sent that angel to say, "...Good Will towards men"? That's US! He's NOT mad at us or trying to drive this dirtball into a crash and burn. Because of Jesus...} We are NOT "f*ck*d", as you said!! That's a lie to weaken your resolve to stand against evil. We are just paddling UP stream, is all...
Everything trying to intimidate us or outright scare the !@#$ out of us is inconsequential, because WE (hand in hand with The Truth, God's Word) WILL WIN, no matter WHAT maniac tries to take the helm!! Someone else said it here, too---either step over or under it---or kick it out of your way, but DON't ever let some lie stop your progress! Human beings are God's crowning glory. We win. Sheeesh! I feel a bit pumped about now! This war-chant :lol: :lol: comes to mind: amma se, mama sa, ma ma coo sa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is for YOU, CRANK this up : "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin" (the original one)
It feels like a "Fight" Song, doesn't it? I played it all day at work today in a loop with "Another Part of Me" , and "You are There": while I had to do some crap I hate. 8-) 8-) MJ's magic even works at work!
Don't be discouraged. Yeah, it is creepy. :? :? :shock: I only meant, the more you study creepy things, the more you will be creeped out... :( At LEAST, read some Psalms or SOME Word of GOD before bed, to feed and nourish your spirit. But the devil IS a liar. More than half the battle is not letting things dupe you into paralysis and SANDBAG you into surrender to the LIE that slavery is inevitable.
I try to stay on topic .Then I slip. SORRY. I told you my brain is full of things that don't go together. :oops: Didn't mean to give a Bible lesson, but, I felt your frustration!! Never give up on yourself. If you are the ONLY one believing, it can't get YOU. Just make sure it isn't YOUR purse full of drugs to offset the side effects of all the other drugs, because chemicals disturb muscle tone and stress the body. One prescription can make a face sag ever so subtily, the first day! It's as if the body already KNOWS something creepy has moved in...But, if you NEED a script to do your life, don't stop it because I said anything. Do what you have to to be healthy AROUND it. No sense in dying because you didn't THINK. Think and learn as if you will live forever, because we will, and we don't want to be doofy throughout Eternity, do we??? ;) :lol:
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P.S. misha86 : Physical Therapy is one of the most helpful services on the planet. You are blessed if you can help people recover strength!!!and mobility!!!!!!! Don't EVER get discouraged. That thinking man's profession works wonders every day! :D
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http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-thi ... y+patients (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/letter-from-dr-m-to-patients-dated-june-15th-2009-t1672.htm?highlight=letter+murray+patients)
That's the original link to TMZ, the brickmen:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-j ... ractice/15 (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-jacksons-doc-quit-medical-practice/15)
Ok, that is the FAKEST LETTER I have EVER seen in my life!!! :lol:
1st - The letterhead is wrong. Where are the other "associates" if it's a group practice?!?!
2nd - There is no listing of the address, phone number, fax, website, email, etc. Nothing. Just his signature. Like his 12 year old son printed that mess out on his computer at home. :? (Then again, how old is Prince? Maybe he let Prince and Paris make it...)
3rd - Most(I won't say all) physicians will make sure that letters are written in a font that is clear and easy to read. Not that fancy schmancy stuff. That sort of font is for party invitations. :roll: Actually, Mike probably liked it and picked it out himself because it was "pretty." :lol:
And one more thing before I'm done, did we search for anything on this "practice?" I googled but didn't find much. I mean, where is the web address? Where is the info on the practice? The closest thing I saw to any history was something saying the Dr. Murray purchased or opened it in 2002. If it's been in operation that long, there should be more info on the net, good or bad. You would think in 7 years they would have a website... I know I've read "somewhere" that he was supposed to be a holistic doctor too. So which is it? Holistic or Cardiologist? And what HOSPITAL is that practice associated with? I've had dealings with cardiologists, they are ALWAYS affiliated with one hospital or another... Then again, what cardiologist doesn't know how to do CPR?
Just my $.02 and questions.
Sorry for the rambling. :oops:
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Murray can be discussed in various other threads. Back on topic please:
Mike; victim of Illuminati & Mind Control?
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php)
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[ that is the FAKEST LETTER I have EVER seen in my life!!!
1st - The letterhead is wrong. Where are the other "associates" if it's a group practice?!?!
2nd - There is no listing of the address, phone number, fax, website, email, etc. Nothing. Just his signature. Like his 12 year old son printed that mess out on his computer at home. (Then again, how old is Prince? Maybe he let Prince and Paris make it...)
3rd - Most(I won't say all) physicians will make sure that letters are written in a font that is clear and easy to read. Not that fancy schmancy stuff. That sort of font is for party invitations. Actually, Mike probably liked it and picked it out himself because it was "pretty."
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I am sorry, I had to chuckle at this. I needed a bit of a laugh this afternoon. Ok, let the topic continue. :lol:
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All I can say is "WHAT A LOAD OF CROCK OF SHIT" Is all this.
Some people are so gullible that they deserve to be brain washed for real, if it actualy existed.
I admire the endurance and and the patients of the crack pot that actualy wrote this bunch of nonsense.
But mostly I feel sorry for the people that say they don't believe in "MEDIA" but actualy are somewhat persuaded to believe this crap.
Sorry Mo no offence to you or Sousa and I'm sure you don't actualy belive this nonsense you girls are way more mature and much more intelligent than this.
I must say though this person has a very colourful imagination, he/she would make millions if they ever decide to write a fictional script, so congrats are in order for the imagination only.
Thank you for reading
Regards Connie
You want to taken seriously Connie? Then give new information and stay with the subject. Don't ever get personal and don't be the judge of character hiding behind:"sorry , no offense meant". You are personally offensive and that happens to be NOT THE SUBJECT here. So, i don't take your comment seriously, you are just babbling and that is not interesting, but you're probably DOING IT ALL FOR LOVE to make this world a better place.....you must have misunderstood Mr. M.J. Jackson.
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P.S. misha86 : Physical Therapy is one of the most helpful services on the planet. You are blessed if you can help people recover strength!!!and mobility!!!!!!! Don't EVER get discouraged. That thinking man's profession works wonders every day! :D
Wrong field...pharmacy tech...lol
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Finally I got acces to the forum! :)
I just read the blog earlier today. Some points I do share since I mentioned the same points to be concerned about some monts ago ;) Still, with those same points, I am not 100% sure about, since I never ever met Michael in person, but I got that impression after "studying" his behaviour. However, is just a theory, another theory.
When talking about the Illuminati, I am sorry, but is not realistic at all. Too much of Dan Brown....and when touching free mansonery I can say that free mansons are a group of people with their rules, but not a devilish sect for heaven´s sake.
Even if I do not share the latest blog theory 100%, is to admire how Mo and souza put a lot of time and effort resuming their theories and the theories given by members. Well done.
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P.S. misha86 : Physical Therapy is one of the most helpful services on the planet. You are blessed if you can help people recover strength!!!and mobility!!!!!!! Don't EVER get discouraged. That thinking man's profession works wonders every day! :D
Wrong field...pharmacy tech...lol
Oops, my bad. I wondered why they changed the acronym again(! :roll: :? :o :lol: :oops: ) Well, I STILL have good news for you. You may have been chosen for such a time as this to be a safety patrol for the innocent on the down low. And, you make enough money to go back to school or buy some holistic books and educate yourself in the find art of counter-attack, utilizing the herbs and vitamins and minerals which drugs flush out or use up bigtime, to fight the subsequent illnesses!!!!! You win, girl. And so do innocent people. YES!! The head Pharmacist shouldn't mind, as long as you don't get caught actually discouraging people from taking the drugs. (But they'll quit them on their own when they feel better!!!) :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :P :P
Don't forget to protect yourself and learn about any liability for dispensing advice, BTW. This society is so wacked, they may try to hurt you for helping others. sorry. Be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove.... :twisted: ;)
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While I truly respect both sides of this discussion, I am not here to pick a side as I really don't know which one is right. I'm just here to give a little more information on Vitiligo which could be helpful either way you believe. This information below came from the Mayo Clinic website. I am only posting what they say is the cause of Vitiligo. Blessings to you.
Causes
Vitiligo occurs when melanin — the dark pigment in the epidermis that gives your skin its normal color — is destroyed or not produced. The involved patch of skin then becomes white. Exactly why this occurs isn't known.
Doctors and scientists have theories as to what causes vitiligo. It may be due to an immune system disorder. Heredity may be a factor because there's an increased incidence of vitiligo in some families. Some people have reported a single event, such as sunburn or emotional distress, that triggered the condition. However, none of these theories has been proven as a definite cause of vitiligo.
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While I truly respect both sides of this discussion, I am not here to pick a side as I really don't know which one is right. I'm just here to give a little more information on Vitiligo which could be helpful either way you believe. This information below came from the Mayo Clinic website. I am only posting what they say is the cause of Vitiligo. Blessings to you.
Causes
Vitiligo occurs when melanin — the dark pigment in the epidermis that gives your skin its normal color — is destroyed or not produced. The involved patch of skin then becomes white. Exactly why this occurs isn't known.
Doctors and scientists have theories as to what causes vitiligo. It may be due to an immune system disorder. Heredity may be a factor because there's an increased incidence of vitiligo in some families. Some people have reported a single event, such as sunburn or emotional distress, that triggered the condition. However, none of these theories has been proven as a definite cause of vitiligo.
It is believed that Vitiligo may be have a genetic factor and that it is an autoimmune disorder. Lupus is also an autoimmune disorder. It is not uncommon for individuals to have more than one autoimmune disorder. No one knows what exactly is causing these disorders or why there has been an increase in the numbers of people who have been afflicted with them. There are many theories as to why this is occurring, including that they are being purposely induced.
It is believed that vitiligo is an autoimmune disorder (autoimmune means the bodies own immune system turns on itself). Certain white blood cells direct the destruction of melanocytes. People with vitiligo are also somewhat more prone to other autoimmune diseases, such as alopecia areata, autoimmune thyroid disorders, Addison's disease, pernicious anemia, and diabetes mellitus.
http://www.aocd.org/skin/dermatologic_diseases/vitiligo.html
The cause of autoimmune diseases is unknown, but it appears that there is an inherited predisposition to develop autoimmune disease in many cases. In a few types of autoimmune disease (such as rheumatic fever), a bacteria or virus triggers an immune response, and the antibodies or T-cells attack normal cells because they have some part of their structure that resembles a part of the structure of the infecting microorganism.
http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/conditions/autoimmune.html
The precise etiology and reasons for the increase in incidence of autoimmune disorders still remain unclear, and although both genetic and environmental factors have been proven to shape individual predisposition, it is not known which of the factors, if not both, is responsible for the boom observed during the last decades...thus that the recently observed incidence increase results most probably from factors of other than genetic nature.
It is estimated that up to 3%~5% of the world’s population is affected by at least one disorder that results from autoimmunity (Marrack et al., 2001), and the incidence of at least some of the autoimmune diseases has been growing steadily for the last decades (Onkamo et al., 1999; Ivarsson et al., 2000; Haynes et al., 2004).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1906598/
Drug-induced autoimmune disorders have been recognized for over 50 years. In 1945, Hoffman60 reported drug-induced lupus (DIL) in a 19-year-old man receiving sulfadiazine who developed fever, skin rash, myalgia, nephritis, and an elevated sedimentation rate. Since then, over 70 drugs have been reported to cause a lupus-like illness. Recognition of the development of drug-induced autoimmune disorders and the development of alternative drugs to replace common offenders, such as procainamide and hydralazine, have resulted in a reduction of the incidence of DIL. With increasing use of agents that target cytokine and other immunologic pathways, however, it is possible that we may see more drug-induced autoimmune disorders in the future. This article discusses the common nonhematologic, drug-induced autoimmune disorders, including DIL, and some of the newer descriptions of autoimmune disorders believed to be related to the use of some biological agents.
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0889856105700461
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I just want to know what's up with this topic of mind control. This makes no sense to me sorry. I don't think no one was controlling Michael's mind. :roll: Michael was a very smart man if anything Michael seem like the type of man that knows how to flip the script and get what he wants. Like when he was with Sony and he felt like they were doing him wrong he protested against Tommy Mottola and he got released from Sony. Not only did he get released but he own half of it and I believe Tommy Mottola was out as CEO a year later. I think alot of people thought MJ was a weak person but I think he was the total opposite. Not only that no one can make you do something unless you allow them too. I don't think MJ would allow people to do that. The only one I feel who has control over our minds and destiny is God.
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I just want to know what's up with this topic of mind control. This makes no sense to me sorry. I don't think no one was controlling Michael's mind. :roll: Michael was a very smart man if anything Michael seem like the type of man that knows how to flip the script and get what he wants. Like when he was with Sony and he felt like they were doing him wrong he protested against Tommy Mottola and he got released from Sony. Not only did he get released but he own half of it and I believe Tommy Mottola was out as CEO a year later. I think alot of people thought MJ was a weak person but I think he was the total opposite. Not only that no one can make you do something unless you allow them too. I don't think MJ would allow people to do that. The only one I feel who has control over our minds and destiny is God.
Explain the part that doesn't make sense to you, so we can try to explain.
We have NEVER stated that Mike was not smart or that he was weak, quite the contrary! He is very smart and very strong, that is why he did what he did. Watch the video's of Cathy on the previous page. Is she weak? No! She got out and she is telling the world what was done to her. For that you have to be very strong. That is what Mike is doing now too, he is showing the world what has been done to him. Don't misunderstand us, we do NOT think he is stupid and weak. If he would be stupid and weak, he would be dead by now.
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Thats right..mind control is here every day..commercials, supermarkets, cafe's...everywhere..
Be careful Mo and Souza...!!
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Thats right..mind control is here every day..commercials, supermarkets, cafe's...everywhere..
Be careful Mo and Souza...!!
That is true, but trauma based mind control is something different. I can not joke about it ... especially when children are involved.
Thank you Mo and Souza, thank you, it´s an interesting theory and your presentation makes sense. Even if Michael isn´t a mind control victim there are others and this is going on at this moment. The horror, torture and cruelty is unimaginable. There must be a lot of people knowing the truth about this, how they can live with this information and do this to children I don´t understand. I hope Michael Jackson is on a mission to bring this whole sick system down.
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Some of you following this thread might be interested in learning some theories about Lady Gaga.
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Some of you following this thread might be interested in learning some theories about Lady Gaga.
Interesting that you posted this comment here as I just posted a link about Lady Gaga and mind control in another thread.
Lady Gaga, The Illuminati Puppet
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1676
Almost all of Lady Gaga’s videos contain occult symbolism and not-so-subtle hints referring to mind control. We’ll first look at a short video used as an intro during her tour.
Intro Tour Video
Lady G is talking in a vaporous and robotic way, as if she was lobotomized, about a man who “swallowed her brain”. Gaga is questioned by a man who is talking in a very strange and hypnotic matter. If this is not about mind control, I have no idea what its about.
[youtube:2on8ca32]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF9IcNBjLxQ[/youtube:2on8ca32]
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This is a topic that shouldn't be ignored. Because many of us are so mediocre we are use to be comfort in our everyday life not realizing there are many things out there that is aimed to keep us under control.
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[This blog is somewhat controversial and shocking and although you might not go with our theory stated in this blog, it is eye opening and will probably make you as mad and sad as we are.
/quote]We were contacted by someone who asked us if we wanted to end up like Evan Chandler for publishing a blog about Mike/Mind Control & Illuminati, but
Question on something I noticed here, Mo, I pasted part of what you post.
Was this person threatening you in regards to this post about the Illuminati?
Was Evan Chandler after realizing what he had done going to speak out against this and this is why he died?
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I have nothing more to say than what's stated in the blog Infinitylady.
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Some of you following this thread might be interested in learning some theories about Lady Gaga.
Interesting that you posted this comment here as I just posted a link about Lady Gaga and mind control in another thread.
Lady Gaga, The Illuminati Puppet
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1676
Almost all of Lady Gaga’s videos contain occult symbolism and not-so-subtle hints referring to mind control. We’ll first look at a short video used as an intro during her tour.
Intro Tour Video
Lady G is talking in a vaporous and robotic way, as if she was lobotomized, about a man who “swallowed her brain”. Gaga is questioned by a man who is talking in a very strange and hypnotic matter. If this is not about mind control, I have no idea what its about.
[youtube:fex5pau0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF9IcNBjLxQ[/youtube:fex5pau0]
sweet i wanted to read more about her and occultism.ty!
ARTICLE
Beyonce and Lady Gaga’s “Video Phone” Video Allegedly Displays Occult, Demonic References; Gun Abuse; Sexual Harassment and Murder of Men
http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4017 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4017)
i actually like that song too. :|
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About Lady Gaga... I am reading this and have been to her concert a couple days ago. I am freaking out since I knew about some of this before I went. I started to get tremendous headache towards the end. And stayed home two days after with headache and dizziness. There was something going on during that show. And one of the backgrounds was three big gold triangles or pyramids and nothing else... not to add all the occault stuff in other scenery. Seriously, there was something happening not good. And I really like her music, but the live show was kind of disgusting and vulgar. I am trying to forget it all. I definitely believe all this.
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About Lady Gaga... I am reading this and have been to her concert a couple days ago. I am freaking out since I knew about some of this before I went. I started to get tremendous headache towards the end. And stayed home two days after with headache and dizziness. There was something going on during that show. And one of the backgrounds was three big gold triangles or pyramids and nothing else... not to add all the occault stuff in other scenery. Seriously, there was something happening not good. And I really like her music, but the live show was kind of disgusting and vulgar. I am trying to forget it all. I definitely believe all this.
wow...thats not good at all :|
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No Mo, My attemp is not to scare people about the end of times or the revelations piriod. We have been living that for a long time now and as for creating a new religion around Michael Jackson as new "saviour, I know MJ is a human being like everyone else. He's got a big heart and yes he is one of the true definitions of love but no, I don't see him as our Jesus. That would be crazy. LOL. I dont' want to turn this thing into something religious, it's just something in here reminded me of the book of revelations. I'm not afraid of it and the more I hear about the Illuminati and mind control theory, the more I am convinced of the possibility. A big possibility. Elvis, the king of rock, bigger than life in his time, died of a drug overdose on the comode. Okay, that part sounds degrading and that is what the media told us but just like what Michael Jackson said, "the media lies." Elvis could have died in his bed or in the hospital; some believe in the possibility of him faking his death as well. I have no opinion on that one but Michael Jackson, the king of pop, bigger than life of our time, supposedly died with drugs in his system. Michael Jackson took Elvis' place on popularity. Who made Elvis the king? Who gave him that title? Who made Michael Jackson the king? Who gave him that title? The more I think about these questions, the more I am inclined to believe in the Illuminati and mind control theory. Although I have no opinion as to whether or not Elvis' faked his death, I am possitive that Michael faked his. No, I don't have proof on that. I just have a gut feeling on this with all the inconsistancies surrounding his supposed death. For the record, I always thought Elvis was awesome, Michael too. Okay.... now let's see.... two kings with drug problems. Supposedly dying of drug problems. Then one of the two kings, Michael, his supposed death switched to a possible murder case invoving propofol. I probably spelled that wrong but anyway, the media raved about his on going drug problem that supposedly led to his death. Overdose. Okay... the autopsy claims Michael Jackson was a healthy mess. No drugs but propofol in his system. MJ's supposed death was way too similair to Elvis' so they needed to change the cause just a little bit. For the longest time, they claimed to not have been able to find MJ's body and then they said they couldn't bury it until the brain was returned. It was something they claimed to be doing DNA testing to look for drugs. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that an autopsy had to be performed before a funeral is given. Also, why so long in performing an autopsy? So many unanswered questions. Sorry for getting off the subject, that wasn't my intention. I just had these questions that started forming in my head and I needed to get them out. Bottom line is that the more I've heard about the Illuminati and mind control theory, the more I am open to the possibility of it.
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Thats right..mind control is here every day..commercials, supermarkets, cafe's...everywhere..
Be careful Mo and Souza...!!
That is true, but trauma based mind control is something different. I can not joke about it ... especially when children are involved.
Thank you Mo and Souza, thank you, it´s an interesting theory and your presentation makes sense. Even if Michael isn´t a mind control victim there are others and this is going on at this moment. The horror, torture and cruelty is unimaginable. There must be a lot of people knowing the truth about this, how they can live with this information and do this to children I don´t understand. I hope Michael Jackson is on a mission to bring this whole sick system down.
What do you mean by trauma based mind control. Explaine yourself.
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No Mo, My attemp is not to scare people about the end of times or the revelations piriod. We have been living that for a long time now and as for creating a new religion around Michael Jackson as new "saviour, I know MJ is a human being like everyone else. He's got a big heart and yes he is one of the true definitions of love but no, I don't see him as our Jesus. That would be crazy. LOL.
Who said we think he is Jesus? :?
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Some people really don't get it do they? :? No disrespect meant, I'm just saying this because people don't seem to open their eyes to understand what might have happened to Michael over the years about the Illuminati and all that and why he did this... you first must understand and open yourself up to the information that is out there on Illuminati and New World Order to understand all this. We are not saying he's Jesus no one said that.
Thats right..mind control is here every day..commercials, supermarkets, cafe's...everywhere..
Be careful Mo and Souza...!!
That is true, but trauma based mind control is something different. I can not joke about it ... especially when children are involved.
Thank you Mo and Souza, thank you, it´s an interesting theory and your presentation makes sense. Even if Michael isn´t a mind control victim there are others and this is going on at this moment. The horror, torture and cruelty is unimaginable. There must be a lot of people knowing the truth about this, how they can live with this information and do this to children I don´t understand. I hope Michael Jackson is on a mission to bring this whole sick system down.
What do you mean by trauma based mind control. Explaine yourself.
Read this: http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/mind/exp ... 3101a.html (http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/mind/exposed/ex013101a.html)
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@ Mo and Souza: once again congrats for your guts to post that blog. If you want to investigate, you have to look at all aspects, not just those that fit into your picture.
@ Whitesocks: your posts eminate a lot of fear and fright, sweetheart! I really do hope you will overcome your fear. There's nothing to fear. Look around you, soooooo many people are waking up, getting aware, regaining consciousness and are able to think for themselves again. This is horrible for our dear friends, the Illuminati! Nothing works out right for them anymore.
I found many links, videos and article about mind control and whistleblowers. One Illuminati-whistleblower is John Todd. He talks about the major labels - very interesting!!! That lifts the veil of the majors, of lady gaga, and all the others. Pls google him for yourself - and check out the year he started to whistleblow: it was in the 70s !!! :o
I found an article by Brice Taylor on Michael Jackson and his bros. Brice Taylor was a MK Ultra sex slave like Cathy O'Brian. I do not want to commit copyright infringement, so here's the link.
Warning ! Please only go there and read this article if you are ready for truth other than the truth you want to hear or read or are ready to accept!!!!
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=149674
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I found an article by Brice Taylor on Michael Jackson and his bros. Brice Taylor was a MK Ultra sex slave like Cathy O'Brian. I do not want to commit copyright infringement, so here's the link.
Warning ! Please only go there and read this article if you are ready for truth other than the truth you want to hear or read or are ready to accept!!!!
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=149674
I've read this before but this HURTS, I'm crying really bad at the moment I have no words for this... THIS IS SO SICK! :cry:
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I found an article by Brice Taylor on Michael Jackson and his bros. Brice Taylor was a MK Ultra sex slave like Cathy O'Brian. I do not want to commit copyright infringement, so here's the link.
Warning ! Please only go there and read this article if you are ready for truth other than the truth you want to hear or read or are ready to accept!!!!
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=149674
I've read this before but this HURTS, I'm crying really bad at the moment I have no words for this... THIS IS SO SICK! :cry:
Yes, it IS sick, it's unimaginable, but it's REAL. It has to be out in the open, people need to be aware of it, otherwise there is no way it can be stopped. It HAS to be stopped.
@TrustNoOne - Thank You for your encouraging words and your excellent contributions to this thread, all is very much appreciated...
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I found an article by Brice Taylor on Michael Jackson and his bros. Brice Taylor was a MK Ultra sex slave like Cathy O'Brian. I do not want to commit copyright infringement, so here's the link.
Warning ! Please only go there and read this article if you are ready for truth other than the truth you want to hear or read or are ready to accept!!!!
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=149674
I've read this before but this HURTS, I'm crying really bad at the moment I have no words for this... THIS IS SO SICK! :cry:
Yes, it IS sick, it's unimaginable, but it's REAL. It has to be out in the open, people need to be aware of it, otherwise there is no way it can be stopped. It HAS to be stopped.
@TrustNoOne - Thank You for your encouraging words and your excellent contributions to this thread, all is very much appreciated...
I absolutely agree with you, THIS NEEDS TO BE STOPPED RIGHT NOW! People everywhere on the streets, in our neighbourhoods, families, at school, at work wherever need to WAKE UP! And if they aren't open yet WE need to open them even if they don't want to listen or accept all this the fact that they are listening is good already but it is up to them what they do with this, I know for a fact how many times I tell my parents about all this, The New World Order, Illuminati and all their evil and mean plans and the Mind Control they laugh at me and they don't want to hear it and they think I'm crazy, they say I'm the one who's wrong etc. It is very frustrating but I know for one that I WILL CHANGE AND SPREAD THE MESSAGE and OPEN MY EYES for my sake, our sake and our childrens sake. The future is up to us right now.
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:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: there is just no wa that can be true!!! I not dissin illuminati though beacuse ya make very valid point but i dont tihnk Michael got sexually abused like that...it just doesnt make any sense i dont get it...please it has to be false it does
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when you were like a name stuk out...what stuff out to me wasKISSINGERthats KAREN FAYES MARRIED NAME!! :roll: :shock: :? :o ;) :) :D :( :x :cry: :?: :?: :?: :|
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This was a most interesting blog/post/theory, Mo & Souza, thank you. I appreciate all the hard work, reasoning and research that you both put into your theories and admire your where-with-all to "buck the system".
I decided a few months ago that MJ probably had some form of multiple personality disorder resulting from his traumatic childhood (what you would call his alter ego) although my reasoning did not encompass anything having to do with the Illuminati theory.
I find it interesting that in the last few months so many conversations have come up in various sources with regard to NWO/Illuminati/Bilderberger, etc. -- not having anything to do with MJ's "death".
As one that really never thought much about this topic and thought that it was somewhat "out there", I have to admit that since I have looked into these organizations/theories/conspiracies it really does help explain why our world is so crazy nowadays.
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@ Mo and Souza: once again congrats for your guts to post that blog. If you want to investigate, you have to look at all aspects, not just those that fit into your picture.
@ Whitesocks: your posts eminate a lot of fear and fright, sweetheart! I really do hope you will overcome your fear. There's nothing to fear. Look around you, soooooo many people are waking up, getting aware, regaining consciousness and are able to think for themselves again. This is horrible for our dear friends, the Illuminati! Nothing works out right for them anymore.
I found many links, videos and article about mind control and whistleblowers. One Illuminati-whistleblower is John Todd. He talks about the major labels - very interesting!!! That lifts the veil of the majors, of lady gaga, and all the others. Pls google him for yourself - and check out the year he started to whistleblow: it was in the 70s !!! :o
I found an article by Brice Taylor on Michael Jackson and his bros. Brice Taylor was a MK Ultra sex slave like Cathy O'Brian. I do not want to commit copyright infringement, so here's the link.
Warning ! Please only go there and read this article if you are ready for truth other than the truth you want to hear or read or are ready to accept!!!!
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=149674
my eyes teared up on the fifth line...mmmmmmm :cry: geez,im going to keep reading though,..this is hard/// :oops:
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this is why..he is that way..about protecting children..and not only children but people...and :cry: ...why umm he doesnt really like to talk about those personal aspects..i will stop now,its too personal for me and the more i write in getting angry.......thats flucked up!!! :evil:
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I've read this before but this HURTS, I'm crying really bad at the moment I have no words for this... THIS IS SO SICK! :cry:
Yes, it IS sick, it's unimaginable, but it's REAL. It has to be out in the open, people need to be aware of it, otherwise there is no way it can be stopped. It HAS to be stopped.
@TrustNoOne - Thank You for your encouraging words and your excellent contributions to this thread, all is very much appreciated...
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I absolutely agree with you, THIS NEEDS TO BE STOPPED RIGHT NOW! People everywhere on the streets, in our neighbourhoods, families, at school, at work wherever need to WAKE UP! And if they aren't open yet WE need to open them even if they don't want to listen or accept all this the fact that they are listening is good already but it is up to them what they do with this, I know for a fact how many times I tell my parents about all this, The New World Order, Illuminati and all their evil and mean plans and the Mind Control they laugh at me and they don't want to hear it and they think I'm crazy, they say I'm the one who's wrong etc. It is very frustrating but I know for one that I WILL CHANGE AND SPREAD THE MESSAGE and OPEN MY EYES for my sake, our sake and our childrens sake. The future is up to us right now.[/quote]
I know, M & S's blog made me break down.. it just made me want to stop them so badly, those f*cking pieces of crap- great post, MJLover1990.
However, while I'm not doubting that MJ did go through some kind of trauma, I just don't think it's my particular belief that the J5 were abused like that, but in other ways. Mo, yes, it is real, but I just don't think in that particular way..
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Yes, it IS sick, it's unimaginable, but it's REAL. It has to be out in the open, people need to be aware of it, otherwise there is no way it can be stopped. It HAS to be stopped.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: there is just no wa that can be true!!! I not dissin illuminati though beacuse ya make very valid point but i dont tihnk Michael got sexually abused like that...it just doesnt make any sense i dont get it...please it has to be false it does
I know, M & S's blog made me break down.. it just made me want to stop them so badly, those f*cking pieces of crap- great post, MJLover1990.
However, while I'm not doubting that MJ did go through some kind of trauma, I just don't think it's my particular belief that the J5 were abused like that, but in other ways. Mo, yes, it is real, but I just don't think in that particular way..
I think my reply needs an additional explanation. Last Friday I made a big mistake. I had downloaded a book which contains the description of how the Illuminati program a Monarch Mind Control Slave. I was warned about reading this book, "Be careful", but I searched the PFD file for a particular word as I was looking for answers to my questions. I found my answers in this book, but I paid a huge price for it, I totally collapsed.
Trust me, you don't know what these people are capable of, and in which every possible horrifying way children are abused to create Mind Control Slaves... Please don't say "this can't be true" or "I don't believe that", because it is absolutely possible...
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But...Michael...umm...no :o :cry: , why didnt he do something or say something!! Don't kids who get sexually abused show signs of abuse. He look normal as a little kid :cry: . Michael? I...just...SPEECHLESS I am crying right now. I dont like this one bit!! No No No. He never acted as though he were sexually abused...OMG I just thought of something!!!!!! :idea: :!:
There was a show on HLN( head line news) stating... Ever since Michaels Death seems like many stars have come out about child abuse and such!!! Like a few admitted they were sexually abused or abused as a little kid...some admitted about it with there father!!!..Could this be true!!! Maybe Michael did something literally to change the world because suddenly stars started coming out and stating how they were sexually abused...when i first watched the news and they said that i was like "what does that have to do with Michael?? :? "...but wow :o :cry: I seriously just wanna ball up now every time i see a picture of him i get teary eyed..
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oooook...I knew something ab this Illuminati Theory, and now after reading this...WHT can I say?? Except this: it's all just a THEORY!! NO BODY KNOWS WHTS TRUE AND WHT IS NOT! it's all JUST ASSUMPTIONS AND CONECTIONS TAKEN TOO FAR IF U ASK ME! GUYS, THIS IS TOO MUCH for BeLIEvers to TAKE!! YOU ARE OVER-REACTING WITH ALL THESE STORIES!! CAN'T YOU SEE THAT PPL HERE ARE IN SHOCK AND SUFFERRING AFTER READING THIS NEW THERAD???
Let me tell u this! MJ IS NOT CONNECTED, RELATED WITH THIS ILLUMINATI POWER!
AND ALL OF U HERE....KEEP THIS IN MIND! BCZ U OBVIOUSLY FORGOT THAT " IF U READ IT ...DOESN'T MAKE IT FACTUAL".....RIGHT??
Simple is better
Love is the Answer
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Yes, it IS sick, it's unimaginable, but it's REAL. It has to be out in the open, people need to be aware of it, otherwise there is no way it can be stopped. It HAS to be stopped.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: there is just no wa that can be true!!! I not dissin illuminati though beacuse ya make very valid point but i dont tihnk Michael got sexually abused like that...it just doesnt make any sense i dont get it...please it has to be false it does
I know, M & S's blog made me break down.. it just made me want to stop them so badly, those f*cking pieces of crap- great post, MJLover1990.
However, while I'm not doubting that MJ did go through some kind of trauma, I just don't think it's my particular belief that the J5 were abused like that, but in other ways. Mo, yes, it is real, but I just don't think in that particular way..
I think my reply needs an additional explanation. Last Friday I made a big mistake. I had downloaded a book which contains the description of how the Illuminati program a Monarch Mind Control Slave. I was warned about reading this book, "Be careful", but I searched the PFD file for a particular word as I was looking for answers to my questions. I found my answers in this book, but I paid a huge price for it, I totally collapsed.
Trust me, you don't know what these people are capable of, and in which every possible horrifying way children are abused to create Mind Control Slaves... Please don't say "this can't be true" or "I don't believe that", because it is absolutely possible...
I must say that normally I am pretty strong and mostly I am capable of building a big wall around me when reading things that are upsetting. Mostly I just absorb the info like it is fiction. In this case it is impossible to do so. I am reading the book Mo is referring to, because I want to know, I want to understand, but it's a few pages a day until I feel like I have to vomit and I put it away again.
When I read Brice Taylor's article that TrustNoOne posted, I knew he could have spoken the truth, because I read these and other disgusting and inhuman things in the book as well.
If this is really true, I can't even believe they still can function and smile. The thought of someone going through therapy, remembering this, makes me beyond sad and also very VERY angry that there are actually people in this world that treat others as garbage. I tried not to imagine the pain too much, but it seemed impossible en somewhere I cracked. I will still try to read the whole book, but it might take a while. It's very hard to take in, although I already knew what some people were capable of. This has got to stop!
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Let me tell u this! MJ IS NOT CONNECTED, RELATED WITH THIS ILLUMINATI POWER!
And you know that because you called him yesterday evening?
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This has got to stop!
I agree with you..
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Let me tell u this! MJ IS NOT CONNECTED, RELATED WITH THIS ILLUMINATI POWER!
AND ALL OF U HERE....KEEP THIS IN MIND! BCZ U OBVIOUSLY FORGOT THAT " IF U READ IT ...DOESN'T MAKE IT FACTUAL".....RIGHT??
Simple is better
Love is the Answer
It's so easy to scream and shout your rejection, without coming up with anything that points out otherwise.
Great cry and little wool...come up with something better please.
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@ Souza "And you know that because you called him yesterday evening? "
I could ask u the same thing !! Do u know for a FACT that this Theory is conected with MJ and is the REASON Behind MJ'S HOAX??? HOW CAN U BE SO SURE?? DID U ASKED HIM ABOUT IT?? :mrgreen: .....
And u don't have to take my asnwer personaly..ok?? It's my opinion and this is a FORUM! NOT ALL OF US HERE HAVE THE SAME "VISION" , SO WE SHOULD RESPECT THIS, OR NOT??
Thank u for making me feel welcomed with ur sarcasm :mrgreen:
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@ *Mo*....Please u don't have to be sooooo OFFENSIVE! OK??
And it's not me who has to come with "something better" in making this Theory VALID! BUT THE CREATOR MUST!
And I'm sure you can do a LOT BETTER TO KEEP PPL CLOSED TO THIS FORUM!
And one last comment : I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I LOVE THIS FORUM AND WHT U AND SOUZA ARE DOING FOR BELIVERS! THIS IS GREAT! really :)
I'm here with PEACE, NOT WAR!
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ok i vote people stop yelling at one another and grow up...there is no point in trying to convince people to go with whichever opinion is yours because EVERYONE has their OWN opinion...which means its their CHOICE to believe it or not...get it??
If you don't agree with it, then don't hate people who do agree with it and try to change their minds. Anyways, yelling and throwing rude comments out ther wont help their decision anyways.
If you do agree with it and someone else doesn't then dont try to convince them that they are wrong for doing so.
Like i said people are going to make their own decision on wether to believe it or not...it is not like Mo & Sauza are trying to convince everyone that THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED to MJ...NO thats not what they are doing, they are SIMPLY throwing OPTIONS out thereof the POSSIBILITIES... I dont think you should go out of your way to try to convince people otherwise.
ALSO dont sit there and use the excuse that they shouldnt have put that post up because people are upset about it...They are upset because they feel hurt for mj IFhe actually went through that. Dont allow fear or hurt fog your opinion...
Thats all I need to say about that because I am tired of everyone fighting...Seems like every thread ends in an argument...But please Mo and Souza keep this thread alive...you deleting it or locking it just makes the people who fight win where the other people who truly want to discuss this topic can't
Thank you and Peace to you all...no matter what your beliefs are :D
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@ *Mo*....Please u don't have to be sooooo OFFENSIVE! OK??
And it's not me who has to come with "something better" in making this Theory VALID! BUT THE CREATOR MUST!
And I'm sure you can do a LOT BETTER TO KEEP PPL CLOSED TO THIS FORUM!
And one last comment : I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I LOVE THIS FORUM AND WHT U AND SOUZA ARE DOING FOR BELIVERS! THIS IS GREAT! really :)
I'm here with PEACE, NOT WAR!
awww u see now that knowing how to settle and not argue..thnx that comment even though not to me...gives me hope :D
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@ Souza "And you know that because you called him yesterday evening? "
I could ask u the same thing !! Do u know for a FACT that this Theory is conected with MJ and is the REASON Behind MJ'S HOAX??? HOW CAN U BE SO SURE?? DID U ASKED HIM ABOUT IT?? :mrgreen: .....
And u don't have to take my asnwer personaly..ok?? It's my opinion and this is a FORUM! NOT ALL OF US HERE HAVE THE SAME "VISION" , SO WE SHOULD RESPECT THIS, OR NOT??
Thank u for making me feel welcomed with ur sarcasm :mrgreen:
No, I did not call him, but we provided people with an informative blog. When you look at Mike's life from '88 til present, the signs are more than obvious. This means I have made my point including arguments, you are just saying this theory is untrue without argumentation. You only state that Mike is not connected to the Illuminati, so I ask you why, because in my opinion this is a forum. I already explained why I think this theory is plausible, now it's up to you to explain otherwise.
I never stated everyone should believe this, we also mention that at the very beginning of the blog, but we do ask YOU for a little respect.
Your attitude bothers me, so do the CAPS. Keep in mind that you are a guest in OUR house and I won't allow you to spit on our furniture.
People like you, yelling and bashing, come across very often lately and I can assure you that we are fed up with posts like this. It is ok to disagree, but lower the attitude and show some respect to other people or I will deactivate your account immediately.
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Really this is pretty obvious that this is the main reason why Michael did this, but you could only see that when your eyes are OPENED! Like I said before try to open yourself to any option if you open yourself up to this option you'll understand why we all agree that this can be the main reason why Michael did this.
We need to show some respect to one another and put our ego's and attitudes aside!
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@ *Mo*....Please u don't have to be sooooo OFFENSIVE! OK??
And it's not me who has to come with "something better" in making this Theory VALID! BUT THE CREATOR MUST!
And I'm sure you can do a LOT BETTER TO KEEP PPL CLOSED TO THIS FORUM!
And one last comment : I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I LOVE THIS FORUM AND WHT U AND SOUZA ARE DOING FOR BELIVERS! THIS IS GREAT! really :)
I'm here with PEACE, NOT WAR!
If you're here with peace, not war, then why are you yelling so loud? It was you who wrote: "Let me tell u this! MJ IS NOT CONNECTED, RELATED WITH THIS ILLUMINATI POWER!". No argumentation included, just a plain and simple rejection. Now you tell me that we have to "prove" our theory is valid. Well, there is no proof, as we posted a theory, and along with our theory we provided a lot of argumentation. I suggest you read our blog again in case you missed all we provided our readers with.
It's perfectly okay to disagree with our theory, but in case you disagree I'd like to see something more than "Let me tell u this! MJ IS NOT CONNECTED, RELATED WITH THIS ILLUMINATI POWER!". Show me something which "proves" your theory valid.
Concerning being offensive - I don't see anything offensive in my reply to your offensive post. I was just straight to the point, as always. Like Souza already mentioned: Keep in mind that you are a guest in OUR house and I won't allow you to spit on our furniture.
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Ohhhh...My God!! :o I had NO IDEEA that speaking my mind, sharing my opinion ab this topic, wich doesn't embraces ur "visions", would create THIS!! My first comment was NOT disrespectful ( please read it again) and sorry for my caps-lock, I'm not yelling, I use them to sustain my point, that's all !
And yes,,,u are BEEING offensive with me, and u are threating me to DEACTIVATE my account!
Why??? bcz I'm speaking my mind?? Is this disprespectful for u ??
Sorry, it won't happen again.
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Do what u wish to do with my account, i'm not turning this into a WAR, u did!
And the part with "show some respect" is recommneded to u 2 !
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Do what u wish to do with my account, i'm not turning this into a WAR, u did!
And the part with "show some respect" is recommneded to u 2 !
Oh no, that is too easy... reread your own posts please.
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ok....I did re-read my comments and it doesn't results any "yelling and bashing" ( like u said )
Like I said, and I repet my self now, my caps-lock help me to point my opinion ! I do not use caps lock for yelling! sorry u thought I was yelling, I really wasn't!
And I never bashed this theory! I simply had the audacity to speak my mind and share my opinion on this forum! My comments were considered to be a REJECTION ! but is wasn't ! and it's not! I never REJECTED it, I just do not beLIEve in this theory, bcz IMO it's too much for me to take! Sorry for expressing my self!
You have made me feel like the bad character here, just bcz I'm not embracing ur theory !
What happent to the freedom of speech??? it's not FOR ME, I quess!
I never wanted to create this conflict around my comments! :o
I will never comment again, unless, of course, my comment supports souza or *mo*
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To some degree members may be conflicted over this thread because it involves the topic of mental health issues. It’s a touchy topic and one that remains in the closet. Sure it is chic to describe visiting a mental health professional when discussing a divorce or hyperactive child. It is not so chic to discuss mind-altering life experiences. That is when the topic becomes deeply creepy and scary. Plus some might not be able to grasp the concept of powerful organized groups performing vile acts against others for self-serving purposes. It tips over into the supernatural and twilight zone for some people. This post is not intended to change opinions but to bring the concept of mind control down into smaller bite-sized pieces.
There is an entire underground world out there filled with people who create and live by their own set of rules. Sometimes they are labeled as cults or secret societies. Sometimes they are just twisted and sick individuals. They blend into “normal” society so as to not draw attention to how they break societal rules. These people are not unicorns and they don’t wear a scarlet letter on their foreheads. They sit in the office next to ours. They wave at us each morning as we’re out jogging. They smile at us as we stand next to them in the grocery store line. In other words they look very normal and work convincingly to make us believe that they are normal. With that said, they live within their own world committing their own dirty deeds. We are none the wiser and remain in the dark until one of their victims breaks free and reveals. This occurs daily among the seemingly regular people of the world.
Several months ago a story was revealed in America about the rescue of a woman and her two children. She had been kidnapped decades before at age 11 by a couple (man and woman) who kept her locked up. She was abused and bore the man two children. The couple ran a business from the home and the girl- turned-woman worked for them and interacted via phone and internet with the outside world. During those years, she did not seek help or reveal how she was living in squalor within the house with her two children. The control that the couple had on her mind and on the minds of her children was immense. When we saw the news story, the criminals who committed the crimes were not big business executives. They were regular people living in a regular neighborhood. Guess what a millionaire and/or high-powered business executive with a similarly sick mind can do. Sometimes when Oz’s curtain is pulled back, scary and troubling things are revealed.
Jermaine has stated that Joseph escorted MJ to late night meetings to meet with powerful business executives. Michael would return upset, sick and reclusive. Feel free to come to your own conclusion as to what took place during the late night meetings with those powerful business executives.
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I found an article by Brice Taylor on Michael Jackson and his bros. Brice Taylor was a MK Ultra sex slave like Cathy O'Brian. I do not want to commit copyright infringement, so here's the link.
Warning ! Please only go there and read this article if you are ready for truth other than the truth you want to hear or read or are ready to accept!!!!
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=149674
I've read this before but this HURTS, I'm crying really bad at the moment I have no words for this... THIS IS SO SICK! :cry:
Yes, it IS sick, it's unimaginable, but it's REAL. It has to be out in the open, people need to be aware of it, otherwise there is no way it can be stopped. It HAS to be stopped.
@TrustNoOne - Thank You for your encouraging words and your excellent contributions to this thread, all is very much appreciated...
Thank you for posting this, I have read this before also in the early days July/August I think.
Someone also posted this on the old MJHD site, they got banned and the thread deleted as inappropriate! :roll:
This site has a lot of interesting articles and video but as above dont go there unless you really want to find out. :shock: :roll:
As with all things keep an open mind.
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Yes, it IS sick, it's unimaginable, but it's REAL. It has to be out in the open, people need to be aware of it, otherwise there is no way it can be stopped. It HAS to be stopped.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: there is just no wa that can be true!!! I not dissin illuminati though beacuse ya make very valid point but i dont tihnk Michael got sexually abused like that...it just doesnt make any sense i dont get it...please it has to be false it does
I know, M & S's blog made me break down.. it just made me want to stop them so badly, those f*cking pieces of crap- great post, MJLover1990.
However, while I'm not doubting that MJ did go through some kind of trauma, I just don't think it's my particular belief that the J5 were abused like that, but in other ways. Mo, yes, it is real, but I just don't think in that particular way..
I think my reply needs an additional explanation. Last Friday I made a big mistake. I had downloaded a book which contains the description of how the Illuminati program a Monarch Mind Control Slave. I was warned about reading this book, "Be careful", but I searched the PFD file for a particular word as I was looking for answers to my questions. I found my answers in this book, but I paid a huge price for it, I totally collapsed.
Trust me, you don't know what these people are capable of, and in which every possible horrifying way children are abused to create Mind Control Slaves... Please don't say "this can't be true" or "I don't believe that", because it is absolutely possible...
I never said "this can't be true", but I get you..
I, too, have read some utterly horrifying sites about what they do to children, I don't think I've ever been more repulsed or horrified in my entire life.. It's inhuman, it's pure evil.. i don't think i've read that particular book but i think i've read enough about the torture to last me a lifetime- i think i will look into other things 'they' do- how they control the buisnesses, etc. they are so complex and we have so much to research, we should each take our own route.
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Hello everyone :)
I used to be a member of the old MJHD and I posted a theory similar to Mo and Souza's. It caused a lot of controversy and upset so in the end I left and began my own forum with my partner which is based around all the controversial theories surrounding Michael such as MK Ultra, NWO, Illuminati etc etc which has now become more of an information forum packed with videos and links.
I was wondering if it would be ok with the Admin if I post the link to my theory? No one has to join to read anything on the forum only to comment or contribute but, as I am now a member here, comments and contributions could be added here instead of joining and with permission I could then add the contributions to the forum on the contributors behalf.
Anyway, I won't do anything until I have permission so I look forward to a reply :D
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when you were like a name stuk out...what stuff out to me wasKISSINGERthats KAREN FAYES MARRIED NAME!! :roll: :shock: :? :o ;) :) :D :( :x :cry: :?: :?: :?: :|
Yes, do you think it´s a coincidence ? Kissinger isn´t a very usual name is it ? It could be a coincidence but it makes you wonder. Trauma based mind control victims usually have handlers close to them .... I dont´t know about Karen Faye she seems nice ...
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OMG, this topic still creates 'wars'. Calm down everybody, please. :)
@ Mo and Souza: do you remeber the uproars on old MJHD on this topic? :) By the way, what book is it, that caused you health trouble? I'm interested, maybe you want to pm me the title.....
Now, if you don't believe in a group of people controlling the world for aeons, fine. But then, do you really need to bash people who do believe or even know? If you take a clear look around and start thinking for yourself you cannot but at least say something weird is/has been going on. There are many, many victims of the "Illuminti", mind-control, MK Ultra, Montauk, etc. now stepping up and speaking out. And I'm so proud of these people who risk their lives just to let us know what's going on. I really, really appreciate their guts and strength. Read their books, their blogs, listen to their reports - if you dare.
About Michael: we all do not know what really happened. Yet many song lyrics and poetries, some behaviours do sadly point to at least some sort of abuse having taken place. I haven't read LaToya's book(s), but she did speak out!
If you take a glance and dive into the music industry and it's whistleblowers, and if you look at Michael's huge success you might find some correlation. Not saying Michael was actively involved in it, but he could not have had that success if he wouldn't have been sponsored by his label: SONY. Listen to John Todd's - ex-Illuminati in the music biz - interviews. Or take a look here about backwards lyrics - yes Michael is there also with Beat it.... (http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm)
You want to stop this 'disgusting, sick' behaviour. That's perfectly understood.
But you should try to do it the smart way. The more you push against it, the more you get of it. Why? Because you have your awareness and thus your energy there. This helps neither you, nor Michael, nor the people, nor the world.
What you can do, and what you should do, is imagine as colorful and vivid as you can, the world and people as you would like it/them to be. This is an energy based Universe, so give your energy to those things you want, and not to what you don't want. The utmost, always and flawlessly working Universal law is the Law of Attraction (the Law of Resonance). LoA cannot be fooled. Look into the direction of what you want and visualize it. Stop talking of the things you don't want, and start talking of the things you do want. And feel it!
The best thing you can do for Michael is just the same. Hold him in your mind and heart the way you want him to be. And trust yourself: this energy will definitely reach him and will help him more in his endeavour than anything else.
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well that was certainly an eye opener!!! :shock: :shock:
EDIT: i used to work at a masonic hall serving food.. they had to keep all the doors closed, you wasn't allowed in the room unitl the knocked on the tables so many times (it was silver service).. they all wore suits and the tabbard like in Murray's picture.. and had special rings, the owner of the building took me up to the main room before they all arrived one shift an it was like the house of commons in the UK with the checkered floor and the main seat with the eye.. it was quite creepy actually..
the also had an OLD ENGLISH NIGHT where they all dressed up (ever seen eyes wide shut? tom cruise nicole kidman) well like that with masks.. and we had to walk around the room in our uniform black skirt white blouse, following a pigs head!!
you had to call them sir and on womens nights call the ladies madam.. quiet scary when i look back at it now..
just thought i'd share that.. :?
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MJLover1990 wrote:
TrustNoOne wrote:
I found an article by Brice Taylor on Michael Jackson and his bros. Brice Taylor was a MK Ultra sex slave like Cathy O'Brian. I do not want to commit copyright infringement, so here's the link.
Warning ! Please only go there and read this article if you are ready for truth other than the truth you want to hear or read or are ready to accept!!!!
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/ar ... ead=149674 (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=149674)
I've read this before but this HURTS, I'm crying really bad at the moment I have no words for this... THIS IS SO SICK!
Oh my goodness! how sinister and diabolical of this! :(
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MJLover1990 wrote:
TrustNoOne wrote:
I found an article by Brice Taylor on Michael Jackson and his bros. Brice Taylor was a MK Ultra sex slave like Cathy O'Brian. I do not want to commit copyright infringement, so here's the link.
Warning ! Please only go there and read this article if you are ready for truth other than the truth you want to hear or read or are ready to accept!!!!
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/ar ... ead=149674 (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=149674)
I've read this before but this HURTS, I'm crying really bad at the moment I have no words for this... THIS IS SO SICK!
Oh my goodness! how sinister and diabolical of this! :(
IS THIS TRUE!!! :shock:
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[billyjean » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:42 am
No Mo, My attemp is not to scare people about the end of times or the revelations piriod. We have been living that for a long time now and as for creating a new religion around Michael Jackson as new "saviour, I know MJ is a human being like everyone else. He's got a big heart and yes he is one of the true definitions of love but no, I don't see him as our Jesus. That would be crazy. LOL. I dont' want to turn this thing into something religious, it's just something in here reminded me of the book of revelations. I'm not afraid of it and the more I hear about the Illuminati and mind control theory, the more I am convinced of the possibility. A big possibility. Elvis, the king of rock, bigger than life in his time, died of a drug overdose on the comode. Okay, that part sounds degrading and that is what the media told us but just like what Michael Jackson said, "the media lies." Elvis could have died in his bed or in the hospital; some believe in the possibility of him faking his death as well. I have no opinion on that one but Michael Jackson, the king of pop, bigger than life of our time, supposedly died with drugs in his system. Michael Jackson took Elvis' place on popularity. Who made Elvis the king? Who gave him that title? Who made Michael Jackson the king? Who gave him that title? The more I think about these questions, the more I am inclined to believe in the Illuminati and mind control theory. Although I have no opinion as to whether or not Elvis' faked his death, I am possitive that Michael faked his. No, I don't have proof on that. I just have a gut feeling on this with all the inconsistancies surrounding his supposed death. For the record, I always thought Elvis was awesome, Michael too. Okay.... now let's see.... two kings with drug problems. Supposedly dying of drug problems. Then one of the two kings, Michael, his supposed death switched to a possible murder case invoving propofol. I probably spelled that wrong but anyway, the media raved about his on going drug problem that supposedly led to his death. Overdose. Okay... the autopsy claims Michael Jackson was a healthy mess. No drugs but propofol in his system. MJ's supposed death was way too similair to Elvis' so they needed to change the cause just a little bit. For the longest time, they claimed to not have been able to find MJ's body and then they said they couldn't bury it until the brain was returned. It was something they claimed to be doing DNA testing to look for drugs. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that an autopsy had to be performed before a funeral is given. Also, why so long in performing an autopsy? So many unanswered questions. Sorry for getting off the subject, that wasn't my intention. I just had these questions that started forming in my head and I needed to get them out. Bottom line is that the more I've heard about the Illuminati and mind control theory, the more I am open to the possibility of it./quote][/b]
Billyjean,
I agree.
I have read Revelations but really there is nothing to fear! It's time to break out the fear and expose this diabolical mess!
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well that was certainly an eye opener!!! :shock: :shock:
EDIT: i used to work at a masonic hall serving food.. they had to keep all the doors closed, you wasn't allowed in the room unitl the knocked on the tables so many times (it was silver service).. they all wore suits and the tabbard like in Murray's picture.. and had special rings, the owner of the building took me up to the main room before they all arrived one shift an it was like the house of commons in the UK with the checkered floor and the main seat with the eye.. it was quite creepy actually..
the also had an OLD ENGLISH NIGHT where they all dressed up (ever seen eyes wide shut? tom cruise nicole kidman) well like that with masks.. and we had to walk around the room in our uniform black skirt white blouse, following a pigs head!!
you had to call them sir and on womens nights call the ladies madam.. quiet scary when i look back at it now..
just thought i'd share that.. :?
That is really creepy! :shock:
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@ Souza
Please reply..what i have mailed you !!! This is the reason why i asked you to bring balance in the post.
@ all of you... do NOT worrie.. in the freemasonary there are the good and the bad groups .
The good groups fight against the bad groups and they are just as powerfull. It is a quite small part of the bad guys who are the real satanists. This is an unreliable source for now.. no worries.... there are much more good things to mention :!:
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For those who have endured sexual abuse themselves, I am truely sorry for you all.
However this forum is not to talk about your own abuse, not because I think you are not allowed to talk about it, but that is not what this forum is about. I ask you to please take these subjects to PM.
I will also delete the posts. Believe me, it's not because I don't care, it's because this is not the right platform for it.
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Only sharing it relating it to MJ when IneedYou quoted why didn't he tell and explaining that is possibly wy. That was all. OK.
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@ Souza
Please reply..what i have mailed you !!! This is the reason why i asked you to bring balance in the post.
@ all of you... do NOT worrie.. in the freemasonary there are the good and the bad groups .
The good groups fight against the bad groups and they are just as powerfull. It is a quite small part of the bad guys who are the real satanists. This is an unreliable source for now.. no worries.... there are much more good things to mention :!:
I have replied you, I need to have a look at it first, I asked you to give me some time to look into it and translate if necessary...
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Only sharing it relating it to MJ when IneedYou quoted why didn't he tell and explaining that is possibly wy. That was all. OK.
There is no problem, I understand these kinds of discussions come up now, but I am sure there are far better platforms for these kinds of discussions. No worries.
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... Ever since Michaels Death seems like many stars have come out about child abuse and such!!! Like a few admitted they were sexually abused or abused as a little kid...some admitted about it with there father!!!..Could this be true!!! Maybe Michael did something literally to change the world because suddenly stars started coming out and stating how they were sexually abused...when i first watched the news and they said that i was like "what does that have to do with Michael?? :? "...but wow :o :cry: I seriously just wanna ball up now every time i see a picture of him i get teary eyed..
when mackensie phillips came out with her story i dont know why i thought about mike instantly...this was wayy before i knew about the illumanti and mind control ect...idk why but i thought about him...but sexualy abuse is a serious topic and problem in america but its so touchy people dont speak about it therefore kids dont report it either and people thought she was just trying to sell a book but in reality alot of people began to see that they were not alone and told there story also..
i also remember courtney love saying that britneys dad did things to her also :| everyone said courtney is crazy but isnt that what they say about everyone that speaks out :| and if she 2 is under mind control from what i read about the process it may be true...i hope not..i feel so bad for them all
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[billyjean » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:42 am
Michael Jackson took Elvis' place on popularity. Who made Elvis the king? Who gave him that title? Who made Michael Jackson the king? Who gave him that title? The more I think about these questions, the more I am inclined to believe in the Illuminati and mind control theory.
I don't think 'they' would want to make a black man the next King.. Are you trying to say that if it weren't for them Michael's music wouldn't have touched as many people's hearts, that his good soul wouldn't have shone through and inspired as many? Besides, Elizabeth Taylor first called him that in the Bad era- by then he was already giving 'them' way too ,uch trouble- none of them would ever give him that title..
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You know, if this is all true, then.. doesn't that mean that, in a way, when he was under the control, that he really was "insane" like all the tabs have always said?- doesn't that mean that all these years all of us fans really have been idolizing and defending someone who is behaving in an insane way- like when we defend "Living With?" I hate this thought, I really do, but it's been bugging me.. If he was under the control like in the Thriller era, does this make us partly crazy ourselves for defending and supporting an insane person doing insane behavior? Please tell me there's a way I'm wrong, I know I am, I must be, but I'm too dumb to think how.. Like I feel like I can't enjoy anything of his now- his music, his interviews.. they used to make me happy, all I would need when I was upset was to hear his voice, but are there really things to 'program' us in the songs? And the interviews- I just can't enjoy them anymore, I feel like I don't know what he really means and what is mind control.. this is ruining everything I've ever felt and known about Michael, but I have to know.. *sigh*
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You know, if this is all true, then.. doesn't that mean that, in a way, when he was under the control, that he really was "insane" like all the tabs have always said?- doesn't that mean that all these years all of us fans really have been idolizing and defending someone who is behaving in an insane way- like when we defend "Living With?" I hate this thought, I really do, but it's been bugging me.. If he was under the control like in the Thriller era, does this make us partly crazy ourselves for defending and supporting an insane person doing insane behavior? Please tell me there's a way I'm wrong, I know I am, I must be, but I'm too dumb to think how.. Like I feel like I can't enjoy anything of his now- his music, his interviews.. they used to make me happy, all I would need when I was upset was to hear his voice, but are there really things to 'program' us in the songs? And the interviews- I just can't enjoy them anymore, I feel like I don't know what he really means and what is mind control.. this is ruining everything I've ever felt and known about Michael, but I have to know.. *sigh*
Pink, I wouldn't say that Michael was "crazy" or "insane" in any way.
I would say he was probably controlled.
Very different thing.
"Crazy" & "Insane" = unpredictable chemical imbalance.
Controlled/programmed = PREDICTABLE responses & behaviours brought on by training/triggers/etc.
If Michael did indeed go through these things, I have nothing but respect and empathy for him that he was able to live through it and still try to see and do positive things.
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You know, if this is all true, then.. doesn't that mean that, in a way, when he was under the control, that he really was "insane" like all the tabs have always said?- doesn't that mean that all these years all of us fans really have been idolizing and defending someone who is behaving in an insane way- like when we defend "Living With?" I hate this thought, I really do, but it's been bugging me.. If he was under the control like in the Thriller era, does this make us partly crazy ourselves for defending and supporting an insane person doing insane behavior? Please tell me there's a way I'm wrong, I know I am, I must be, but I'm too dumb to think how.. Like I feel like I can't enjoy anything of his now- his music, his interviews.. they used to make me happy, all I would need when I was upset was to hear his voice, but are there really things to 'program' us in the songs? And the interviews- I just can't enjoy them anymore, I feel like I don't know what he really means and what is mind control.. this is ruining everything I've ever felt and known about Michael, but I have to know.. *sigh*
Pink, I wouldn't say that Michael was "crazy" or "insane" in any way.
I would say he was probably controlled.
Very different thing.
"Crazy" & "Insane" = unpredictable chemical imbalance.
Controlled/programmed = PREDICTABLE responses & behaviours brought on by training/triggers/etc.
If Michael did indeed go through these things, I have nothing but respect and empathy for him that he was able to live through it and still try to see and do positive things.
Thank you for that. I know- I've never felt worse for him than when I read M& S's blog and thought about all those horrors happening to him.. I pray every night for him, our strong, brave, valiant man..
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You know, if this is all true, then.. doesn't that mean that, in a way, when he was under the control, that he really was "insane" like all the tabs have always said?
being under mind control and insane are 2 different things and if im not mistaken the tabs didnt start calling him crazy until he got off "track" with what they wanted him to do
doesn't that mean that all these years all of us fans really have been idolizing and defending someone who is behaving in an insane way- like when we defend "Living With?"
he never acted insane? and the bashit interview is way different, i would assume that he was not under control then and was "acting" insane for a reason, either for good PR or in preparation for the hoax
I hate this thought, I really do, but it's been bugging me.. If he was under the control like in the Thriller era, does this make us partly crazy ourselves for defending and supporting an insane person doing insane behavior? Please tell me there's a way I'm wrong, I know I am, I must be, but I'm too dumb to think how..
again when did he act insane? and dont worry because once i got too deep in this stuff i also had a brain fart and lost it and thought something completely wrong, its alot to take in and from experiance i think at some point you will have a mini breakdown..well atleast i did :lol:
Like I feel like I can't enjoy anything of his now- his music, his interviews.. they used to make me happy, all I would need when I was upset was to hear his voice, but are there really things to 'program' us in the songs? And the interviews- I just can't enjoy them anymore, I feel like I don't know what he really means and what is mind control.. this is ruining everything I've ever felt and known about Michael, but I have to know.. *sigh*
thats not true, you loved him under control and after therefor it goes beyond that with your affection for him. there are artist who we can assume are under the same thing and you may or may not like them and after he was deprogrammed or it wore off his songs were all his own, i.e. history album, and they still have the same effect. in other words yes they may have had him programmed for a while but your mind will always have a "real" you, no matter how much programming and we were able to see the real him so dont stress off of it
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You know, if this is all true, then.. doesn't that mean that, in a way, when he was under the control, that he really was "insane" like all the tabs have always said?
being under mind control and insane are 2 different things and if im not mistaken the tabs didnt start calling him crazy until he got off "track" with what they wanted him to do
doesn't that mean that all these years all of us fans really have been idolizing and defending someone who is behaving in an insane way- like when we defend "Living With?"
he never acted insane? and the bashit interview is way different, i would assume that he was not under control then and was "acting" insane for a reason, either for good PR or in preparation for the hoax
I hate this thought, I really do, but it's been bugging me.. If he was under the control like in the Thriller era, does this make us partly crazy ourselves for defending and supporting an insane person doing insane behavior? Please tell me there's a way I'm wrong, I know I am, I must be, but I'm too dumb to think how..
again when did he act insane? and dont worry because once i got too deep in this stuff i also had a brain fart and lost it and thought something completely wrong, its alot to take in and from experiance i think at some point you will have a mini breakdown..well atleast i did :lol:
Like I feel like I can't enjoy anything of his now- his music, his interviews.. they used to make me happy, all I would need when I was upset was to hear his voice, but are there really things to 'program' us in the songs? And the interviews- I just can't enjoy them anymore, I feel like I don't know what he really means and what is mind control.. this is ruining everything I've ever felt and known about Michael, but I have to know.. *sigh*
thats not true, you loved him under control and after therefor it goes beyond that with your affection for him. there are artist who we can assume are under the same thing and you may or may not like them and after he was deprogrammed or it wore off his songs were all his own, i.e. history album, and they still have the same effect. in other words yes they may have had him programmed for a while but your mind will always have a "real" you, no matter how much programming and we were able to see the real him so dont stress off of it
Thank you so much! I feel even dumber now (heh-heh..) but also a lot better. I guess I was just typing too fast. And you've got a good point there- even if he was programmed to do what they want, it sure seemed pointless, because all of us, his fans, only love him for what a good, glowing soul he has. Since when has Michael Joe Jackson ever caused someone to do something bad? Certainly a lot less than he's prompted people to do good things through his music and words. I'm glad I taught my kid siblings about him because he is such a role model- I can see it in how smart and positive-thinking they have become.
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I just watched the mind-control videos - very good!
Some questions did arise while watching:
- who paid for the Black&White video? I remember that it was very expensive due to the morphing used? If it was Michael's label SONY I would have doubts they would have let it go with all these whistleblowing elements. If Michael paid it then it's a different story. And in general the Illuminati do let go of many information as they count on their "Control of the masses", until someone gets too outspoken. If that be the case they start to first redecule that person and if that doesn't help they'll kill the person. Interesting also, that the black panther scenes where not shown on tv, at least in the USA. Although it is highly questionable if anyone had interpreted it the way Mo and Souza have now at the time it was aired.
- all those people around Michael were probably 'handlers'. Handlers are those people who are ordered to stay around the DIDed day and night to keep him/her "track". They know the triggers for the different alters. So it will have been very hard for Michael to escape (was there song "escape" by MJ?), cause at the smallest sign of loosing track they would have been there triggering him immediately.
- what happened in those years when Michael roamed the world? Who was with him? Did these people know of his DID and did they know the triggers, too? If yes, no chance. If no, he might have been lucky in deprogramming, which naturally happens - as I had stated before (this is knowledge from Cathy O'Brian, Mark Philipps and Arizona Wilder) between the age of 40 and 50 - or when the main handlers dies (but Joe Jackson is still around.
- what role did/does Liz Taylor play? She is also an Illuminati part. Was she one of his handlers? She took im to deprogramming (at a time when she nromally must have been naturally deprogrammed by age)? But was she also the one to cancel the deprogramming of Michael as an order by the Illus?
I'ld have many more questions, but that's enough for now.
Gush, I would really, really like to know who's around Michael now!!!!
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:( Disturbing and upsetting, but the reality is that too. Manipulation by powerful groups of seven or related to the Illuminati is an integral part of their program of progressive domination of the world. It 'a secular power, protected to the highest levels ever.
You just begun to investigate what has always been the secret of affiliates, thanks to the Internet and on awakening from the slumber of many people who seek the truth and refuse to be chloroformed from TV or from newspapers and from false reports.
Do not forget the role of the Vatican, ancient and secular, has always been linked in trades unclear and business world.
Money burn values, always.
Not everyone has the ability to withstand the horror you feel when you read the testimonies of those who has survived attacks or death.
He prefers to think, to delude themselves that is not true.
Instead it is the hard truth, and we thank and appreciate those who try to bring it out step by step.
Not enough to discover the truth, unfortunately, if we form a consciousness different from ourselves and others involved.
We must stop the spread of corruption and evil, beginning with the children and sought to investigate the possible reality in which we live, in their own country by communicating with the world! Internet is an excellent means ;)
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Mike could have fronted the money or sony could have paid not knowing what he was doing with the end of the video
From what it looks like and what I read, if true he was deprogrammed after the allegations
Idk if liz or mayb even diane were handlers but I would not be shocked
Also I can assume joe was and that could be why he lived at home until 30 and maybe eve toya and that could be why she went with him to new york
But idk if we will ever know all those answers
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:D :D :D ... the hundredth monkey - or morphic resonance is working already! :D :D :D
(Morphic resonance or morphic field as put down by Rupert Shelldrake)
So, no worry! It's spreading already, it even picks up momentum every day, every hour, every minute.
But we should all start thinking in the right direction now. Even on this board there are a lot of misconceived wordings: "fight for L.O.V.E." , "army for L.O.V.E.", etc.
These are contradictions in themselves. Not working.
In the use of words we show in which direction we are thinking and feeling.
Just think about it: is it better to "demonstrate against war" or to "demonstrate for peace"?
Explore your different feelings when you read these 2 !!!!
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Very good post TrustNoOne....I correct my position....I stand beside Michael as a peacemaker, and it's all for P.E.A.C.E & L.O.V.E
You are so right about the Law of Attraction. We need to start using positive words and meanings. Training ourselves to think the opposite of what we have always been taught (by the media and other means) negativity. Only then can we attract the good and happy things that we are seeking. Like a world full of peace and love!!
Sometimes we need to be reminded of things we have pushed to the back of our minds! I need to go read my "The Secret" book again!! Thank you for reminding me TrustNoOne :- ))
I think we need to change the Army of L.O.V.E to.....Michael's Coalition for P.E.A.C.E & L.O.V.E. What do you think?? :- ))
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I have a question regarding the illuminati theory...Since he basically just kinda let the world know about them and all...wouldnt it be very dangerous for hiim to come back? Because now the world know about the illuminati...and you say well now it doesnt matter because we are aware but there will always be that massive percentage that dont believe in it...we are just a tiny percentage of people who believe in it...so wont they destroy him if he reveals himself again?...i mean look at what they did to him already...just a question i am very curious about
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Very good post TrustNoOne....I correct my position....I stand beside Michael as a peacemaker, and it's all for P.E.A.C.E & L.O.V.E
You are so right about the Law of Attraction. We need to start using positive words and meanings. Training ourselves to think the opposite of what we have always been taught (by the media and other means) negativity. Only then can we attract the good and happy things that we are seeking. Like a world full of peace and love!!
Sometimes we need to be reminded of things we have pushed to the back of our minds! I need to go read my "The Secret" book again!! Thank you for reminding me TrustNoOne :- ))
I think we need to change the Army of L.O.V.E to.....Michael's Coalition for P.E.A.C.E & L.O.V.E. What do you think?? :- ))
Very good start MJ_ForeverandAlways.
May I be so bold as to tell you that "The Secret" does NOT tell you the 'whole story'?
There's much better teachers on earth who will tell you "the secret behind the secret".
ABRAHAM speaking through Esther Hicks. Try to read their book "The Law of Atraction - the secret behind the secret" (or any other). Or watch one of their DVD's. It's amazing, it's renewing, it's refreshing, it's inspiring, it's uplifting! The fresh, energizing, wonderful energy you will feel when reading the book, or watching a DVD is beyond words. (You can sneak in a little on http://www.abraham-hicks.com (http://www.abraham-hicks.com) - it's really worth it!)
The biggest problem for us all is to really incorporate those "easy" things in our dayly life - because we are so very much manipulated to always think in the "wrong (bad) direction". But that is the work. Life is supposed to be fun!
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I have a question regarding the illuminati theory...Since he basically just kinda let the world know about them and all...wouldnt it be very dangerous for hiim to come back? Because now the world know about the illuminati...and you say well now it doesnt matter because we are aware but there will always be that massive percentage that dont believe in it...we are just a tiny percentage of people who believe in it...so wont they destroy him if he reveals himself again?...i mean look at what they did to him already...just a question i am very curious about
Very good question, i_need YoU.
I personally don't think Michael will do a 'comeback'. Would you jump back deliberately into the mud you just barely escaped from?
And about the Illus: I do not think they would do any harm to a "person, looking like Michael Jackson, claiming to be him". They will ridicule that person, avoid media coverage (it's all in their hands anyway) and they will report that person insane.
And for Michael, in case he really intended/intends to do a comeback he better be completely deprogrammed before that. If there's only one shade of an alter left susceptible to the old triggers they immediately use the trigger and - bang, bye-bye MJ, back to your mind-prison. That would be too dangerous - you can read on Cathy O'Brian's website and books that it took her years to deprogram and she's not finished yet. This deprogramming DIDs is very complicated and takes a lot of time and it takes someone who knows what has to be done and does it correctly. I'm not sure, but as far as I knwo there's only about 2 maybe 3 people in the USA who do know enough to be able to do DID-deprogramming. This is definitely not like curing a flu.
My best wishes and love go out to Michael. I want him to stay out of any limelight, to enjoy his life now, to be with honest people/friends who really do help him. He's given so much to us, now it's him and him alone andnothing else should matter. I want him to be save and happy, happier, happiest for ever after!
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. . .ok to me I don't believe in this theory because pretty much his behavior cud b explained excluding this whole mind control business.....and the Alter ego? wow! That theory is shot dead imo opinion once it was stated his "female" alter ego took over when nurturing blanket! Honestly its called good parenting! My father and ny grandfather nurtured me wen I was lil so they got alter egos too?? that doesn't make sense imho.....the whole "little Mike" umm have u seen his childhood? wat do u expect? He can joke around and play with kids and have sleep overs AND nurture them as a parent all at the same time.....He was resonsible
Mike knew how to play the game, his soft sweet voice was his public voice that he puts on as stated many times and after pretty much history I dnt think he cared whether to use it or not b.c after history he started becoming more and more angry and more aggressive with words/lyrics nd that dnt need a soft voice........so in my humble this theory is out the window for me....especially since people r always saying its hard to control mike.....so ya
And as for the raping thing ive read that b4 and I'm absolutely disgusted!! Do u guys honestly think Joe would allow that? Yea he might've beaten the shyt outta them but taking it that far? infact do think Kathrine would allow this? HELL NO......cmon the lady found out because she happened to forget to close the door? Wat a load of BS.......how u think they r able to perform after getting raped?? That is so horrifying and disgusting that sum1 wud scoop that low for their 12min of fame nd try bringin shame to the family's name!!! Absolutely disgusted smfh!!!! But pple I guess have their own opinions but that raping story u can tell thas bs....
Btw I will not deny the fact that I do have an open mind about the Illuminati....could Mike have been controlled by them in EARLY (til thriller era, maybe evn b4) yrs? possibly
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I have a question regarding the illuminati theory...Since he basically just kinda let the world know about them and all...wouldnt it be very dangerous for hiim to come back? Because now the world know about the illuminati...and you say well now it doesnt matter because we are aware but there will always be that massive percentage that dont believe in it...we are just a tiny percentage of people who believe in it...so wont they destroy him if he reveals himself again?...i mean look at what they did to him already...just a question i am very curious about
Very good question, i_need YoU.
I personally don't think Michael will do a 'comeback'. Would you jump back deliberately into the mud you just barely escaped from?
And about the Illus: I do not think they would do any harm to a "person, looking like Michael Jackson, claiming to be him". They will ridicule that person, avoid media coverage (it's all in their hands anyway) and they will report that person insane.
And for Michael, in case he really intended/intends to do a comeback he better be completely deprogrammed before that. If there's only one shade of an alter left susceptible to the old triggers they immediately use the trigger and - bang, bye-bye MJ, back to your mind-prison. That would be too dangerous - you can read on Cathy O'Brian's website and books that it took her years to deprogram and she's not finished yet. This deprogramming DIDs is very complicated and takes a lot of time and it takes someone who knows what has to be done and does it correctly. I'm not sure, but as far as I knwo there's only about 2 maybe 3 people in the USA who do know enough to be able to do DID-deprogramming. This is definitely not like curing a flu.
My best wishes and love go out to Michael. I want him to stay out of any limelight, to enjoy his life now, to be with honest people/friends who really do help him. He's given so much to us, now it's him and him alone andnothing else should matter. I want him to be save and happy, happier, happiest for ever after!
Thank you for your educated response. :)...I really amd 100% behind what his decision is...If he doesnt come back i completly understand why. And i dont know why he would because even today they treat so horribly..I just wish...SSSSOOO bad that he would give us a DEFINATE clue that he is alive and well. A clue only to us hoax believers, where only we saw him not the media not the papparazi not even a fan doesnt believe in the hoax...because even then they could do something with that clear message...Just to Us hoax believers to send us some closure that he is A okay :(..the fans that believe he is really dead don't need to see the message because ( i dont wanna say over his death) but have moved along living their lives...as for usconstantly thinking of ways to see that he is def alive...i just want ONE HUGE CLUE somehow...i am desperately searching for a way for that to happen, really.
Love you MJ, really hope you have peace for what ever choice you decide to live by lol
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. . .ok to me I don't believe in this theory because pretty much his behavior cud b explained excluding this whole mind control business.....and the Alter ego? wow! That theory is shot dead imo opinion once it was stated his "female" alter ego took over when nurturing blanket! Honestly its called good parenting! My father and ny grandfather nurtured me wen I was lil so they got alter egos too?? that doesn't make sense imho.....the whole "little Mike" umm have u seen his childhood? wat do u expect? He can joke around and play with kids and have sleep overs AND nurture them as a parent all at the same time.....He was resonsible
Mike knew how to play the game, his soft sweet voice was his public voice that he puts on as stated many times and after pretty much history I dnt think he cared whether to use it or not b.c after history he started becoming more and more angry and more aggressive with words/lyrics nd that dnt need a soft voice........so in my humble this theory is out the window for me....especially since people r always saying its hard to control mike.....so ya
And as for the raping thing ive read that b4 and I'm absolutely disgusted!! Do u guys honestly think Joe would allow that? Yea he might've beaten the shyt outta them but taking it that far? infact do think Kathrine would allow this? HELL NO......cmon the lady found out because she happened to forget to close the door? Wat a load of BS.......how u think they r able to perform after getting raped?? That is so horrifying and disgusting that sum1 wud scoop that low for their 12min of fame nd try bringin shame to the family's name!!! Absolutely disgusted smfh!!!! But pple I guess have their own opinions but that raping story u can tell thas bs....
Btw I will not deny the fact that I do have an open mind about the Illuminati....could Mike have been controlled by them in EARLY (til thriller era, maybe evn b4) yrs? possibly
You say you have an open mind about the Illuminati, yet you reject the methods the Illuminati uses to program people..? That I do not understand. Did you research it? How do you think people get programmed? By promising cookies when they 'behave accordingly'? I read about how it's done, step by step, and I ended up seriously emotionally disturbed, literally being sick to my stomach. I would like to ask you to do some research about this, and then come back and tell me if you stand with what you wrote in your reply...
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. . .ok to me I don't believe in this theory because pretty much his behavior cud b explained excluding this whole mind control business.....and the Alter ego? wow! That theory is shot dead imo opinion once it was stated his "female" alter ego took over when nurturing blanket! Honestly its called good parenting! My father and ny grandfather nurtured me wen I was lil so they got alter egos too?? that doesn't make sense imho.....the whole "little Mike" umm have u seen his childhood? wat do u expect? He can joke around and play with kids and have sleep overs AND nurture them as a parent all at the same time.....He was resonsible
Mike knew how to play the game, his soft sweet voice was his public voice that he puts on as stated many times and after pretty much history I dnt think he cared whether to use it or not b.c after history he started becoming more and more angry and more aggressive with words/lyrics nd that dnt need a soft voice........so in my humble this theory is out the window for me....especially since people r always saying its hard to control mike.....so ya
And as for the raping thing ive read that b4 and I'm absolutely disgusted!! Do u guys honestly think Joe would allow that? Yea he might've beaten the shyt outta them but taking it that far? infact do think Kathrine would allow this? HELL NO......cmon the lady found out because she happened to forget to close the door? Wat a load of BS.......how u think they r able to perform after getting raped?? That is so horrifying and disgusting that sum1 wud scoop that low for their 12min of fame nd try bringin shame to the family's name!!! Absolutely disgusted smfh!!!! But pple I guess have their own opinions but that raping story u can tell thas bs....
Btw I will not deny the fact that I do have an open mind about the Illuminati....could Mike have been controlled by them in EARLY (til thriller era, maybe evn b4) yrs? possibly
You say you have an open mind about the Illuminati, yet you reject the methods the Illuminati uses to program people..? That I do not understand. Did you research it? How do you think people get programmed? By promising cookies when they 'behave accordingly'? I read about how it's done, step by step, and I ended up seriously emotionally disturbed, literally being sick to my stomach. I would like to ask you to do some research about this, and then come back and tell me if you stand with what you wrote in your reply...
Yes i have done research on them which is y I keep an open mind about it and Which is y I stated its possible mike could have been involved in the early yes prior to thriller and bmaybe even including thriller.....i DO NOT however agree to the fact that he had all the alter egos and that he was being mind controlled (after thriller) MJ stated several times himself that it is hard to control him as well as other pple have stated this.....I never said I rejected THIER methods I'm rejecting the fact that they were used MJ....cmon being raped right before performing thas the dumbest/disgusting theory ive heard ! And the alter egos r easily explainable as ive stated above.......and wat i mean by having an open mind about illuminati bout MJ related as stated its possible thriller era and b4 he was involved and in later years he fought against them...there's no denying his lyrics nd words were war but it cud also b something else only Mike knows......I'm just saying pple need to stop diagnosising him with far fetched theories.....thas all most of his behavoir is explainable w.o mind control/Illuminati relation
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. . .ok to me I don't believe in this theory because pretty much his behavior cud b explained excluding this whole mind control business.....and the Alter ego? wow! That theory is shot dead imo opinion once it was stated his "female" alter ego took over when nurturing blanket! Honestly its called good parenting! My father and ny grandfather nurtured me wen I was lil so they got alter egos too?? that doesn't make sense imho.....the whole "little Mike" umm have u seen his childhood? wat do u expect? He can joke around and play with kids and have sleep overs AND nurture them as a parent all at the same time.....He was resonsible
Mike knew how to play the game, his soft sweet voice was his public voice that he puts on as stated many times and after pretty much history I dnt think he cared whether to use it or not b.c after history he started becoming more and more angry and more aggressive with words/lyrics nd that dnt need a soft voice........so in my humble this theory is out the window for me....especially since people r always saying its hard to control mike.....so ya
And as for the raping thing ive read that b4 and I'm absolutely disgusted!! Do u guys honestly think Joe would allow that? Yea he might've beaten the shyt outta them but taking it that far? infact do think Kathrine would allow this? HELL NO......cmon the lady found out because she happened to forget to close the door? Wat a load of BS.......how u think they r able to perform after getting raped?? That is so horrifying and disgusting that sum1 wud scoop that low for their 12min of fame nd try bringin shame to the family's name!!! Absolutely disgusted smfh!!!! But pple I guess have their own opinions but that raping story u can tell thas bs....
Btw I will not deny the fact that I do have an open mind about the Illuminati....could Mike have been controlled by them in EARLY (til thriller era, maybe evn b4) yrs? possibly
You say you have an open mind about the Illuminati, yet you reject the methods the Illuminati uses to program people..? That I do not understand. Did you research it? How do you think people get programmed? By promising cookies when they 'behave accordingly'? I read about how it's done, step by step, and I ended up seriously emotionally disturbed, literally being sick to my stomach. I would like to ask you to do some research about this, and then come back and tell me if you stand with what you wrote in your reply...
Yes i have done research on them which is y I keep an open mind about it and Which is y I stated its possible mike could have been involved in the early yes prior to thriller and bmaybe even including thriller.....i DO NOT however agree to the fact that he had all the alter egos and that he was being mind controlled (after thriller) MJ stated several times himself that it is hard to control him as well as other pple have stated this.....I never said I rejected THIER methods I'm rejecting the fact that they were used MJ....cmon being raped right before performing thas the dumbest/disgusting theory ive heard ! And the alter egos r easily explainable as ive stated above.......and wat i mean by having an open mind about illuminati bout MJ related as stated its possible thriller era and b4 he was involved and in later years he fought against them...there's no denying his lyrics nd words were war but it cud also b something else only Mike knows......I'm just saying pple need to stop diagnosising him with far fetched theories.....thas all most of his behavoir is explainable w.o mind control/Illuminati relation
You are contradicting yourself. You state "Yes i have done research on them which is y I keep an open mind about it" but in the next sentence you state "i DO NOT however agree to the fact that he had all the alter egos".
If you have researched this then you would know that their methods are designed to create alter egos (read Dissociative Identity Disorder), and that these alter egos are programmed. Mind control is all about alter egos.
TrustNoOne has posted excellent info about deprogramming, please read those, then you will probably understand what happened and what it takes to get deprogrammed.
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Mo,I read your posts and investigations.....I need to ask you, in resume, what makes you think that Dissociative Identity Disorder happens after mind cotrol manipulative tactics and not by natural chemical imbalances in the brain among other reasons for example?
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@ LiteEyeZ22 ...WOOOW!!! well said LiteEyeZ22!! I couldn't have said it better! I
I tottaly agree with ur opinion regarding this topic! Finally someone here reacts right to this thread ! BRAVO AND THANK U ! ;)
And YES "pple need to stop diagnosising him with far fetched theories"
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Mo,I read your posts and investigations.....I need to ask you, in resume, what makes you think that Dissociative Identity Disorder happens after mind cotrol manipulative tactics and not by natural chemical imbalances in the brain among other reasons for example?
There are multiple articles available about the cause of DID Gema, I will just quote a few:
- The primary cause of DID appears to be severe and prolonged trauma experienced during childhood. This trauma can be associated with emotional, physical or sexual abuse, or some combination. One theory is that young children, faced with a routine of torture, sexual abuse or neglect , dissociate themselves from their trauma by creating separate identities or personality states. A manufactured alter may suffer while the primary identity "escapes" the unbearable experience.
- It is generally accepted that DID results from extreme and repeated trauma that occurs during important periods of development during childhood. The trauma often involves severe emotional, physical or sexual abuse.
- Dissociative identity disorder is increasingly understood as a complex and chronic posttraumatic psychopathology closely related to severe, particularly early, child abuse.
- Clinical experience and research have repeatedly emphasized that most patients describe severe childhood physical or sexual abuse.
After reading that and remembering what Mike said numerous times about the abuse he suffered in his childhood, I think in his case we can leave the cause "natural chemical imbalances in the brain" out.
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@ LiteEyeZ22 ...WOOOW!!! well said LiteEyeZ22!! I couldn't have said it better! I
I tottaly agree with ur opinion regarding this topic! Finally someone here reacts right to this thread ! BRAVO AND THANK U ! ;)
And YES "pple need to stop diagnosising him with far fetched theories"
Hi Arianna, I'd like to see your argumentation. Just typing "Finally someone here reacts right to this thread !" and quoting "pple need to stop diagnosising him with far fetched theories" is the easy way out. I have no problem with you disagreeing on our theory, but in that case I'd like you to 'prove' we're wrong.
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Mo,I read your posts and investigations.....I need to ask you, in resume, what makes you think that Dissociative Identity Disorder happens after mind cotrol manipulative tactics and not by natural chemical imbalances in the brain among other reasons for example?
There are multiple articles available about the cause of DID Gema, I will just quote a few:
- The primary cause of DID appears to be severe and prolonged trauma experienced during childhood. This trauma can be associated with emotional, physical or sexual abuse, or some combination. One theory is that young children, faced with a routine of torture, sexual abuse or neglect , dissociate themselves from their trauma by creating separate identities or personality states. A manufactured alter may suffer while the primary identity "escapes" the unbearable experience.
- It is generally accepted that DID results from extreme and repeated trauma that occurs during important periods of development during childhood. The trauma often involves severe emotional, physical or sexual abuse.
- Dissociative identity disorder is increasingly understood as a complex and chronic posttraumatic psychopathology closely related to severe, particularly early, child abuse.
- Clinical experience and research have repeatedly emphasized that most patients describe severe childhood physical or sexual abuse.
After reading that and remembering what Mike said numerous times about the abuse he suffered in his childhood, I think in his case we can leave the cause "natural chemical imbalances in the brain" out.
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You did not answer my question, you quoted the other reasons.
My question again, more straight : what makes you think that Dissociative Identity Disorder happens after mind cotrol manipulative tactics?
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Mo,I read your posts and investigations.....I need to ask you, in resume, what makes you think that Dissociative Identity Disorder happens after mind cotrol manipulative tactics and not by natural chemical imbalances in the brain among other reasons for example?
There are multiple articles available about the cause of DID Gema, I will just quote a few:
- The primary cause of DID appears to be severe and prolonged trauma experienced during childhood. This trauma can be associated with emotional, physical or sexual abuse, or some combination. One theory is that young children, faced with a routine of torture, sexual abuse or neglect , dissociate themselves from their trauma by creating separate identities or personality states. A manufactured alter may suffer while the primary identity "escapes" the unbearable experience.
- It is generally accepted that DID results from extreme and repeated trauma that occurs during important periods of development during childhood. The trauma often involves severe emotional, physical or sexual abuse.
- Dissociative identity disorder is increasingly understood as a complex and chronic posttraumatic psychopathology closely related to severe, particularly early, child abuse.
- Clinical experience and research have repeatedly emphasized that most patients describe severe childhood physical or sexual abuse.
After reading that and remembering what Mike said numerous times about the abuse he suffered in his childhood, I think in his case we can leave the cause "natural chemical imbalances in the brain" out.
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You did not answer my question, you quoted the other reasons.
My question again, more straight : what makes you think that Dissociative Identity Disorder happens after mind cotrol manipulative tactics?
I will answer your question, since Mo is not reading up on mind control anymore, because she can't handle it anymore.
The primary important factor for the trauma-based mind-control is the ability to disassociate. Part 3 and 4 will explain the splitting of the brain. I will not paste it all here, but I think this might answer your question.
Foundation Step 3
Love Bombing the Child Until about Eighteen Months
The third stage is smothering the child in love. The love is given so
that it can be taken away in the fourth stage. Unless love is given so
that it can be taken away, there is no trauma. Illuminati children are
never spanked in the first year and a half. They are very lovingly
controlled. (This pattern of smothering new converts in love called
"love bombing" in preparation for removing that love and
acceptance to get obedience is done by some cults to new members
too.)
The Illuminati child learns about their body. Their bowels are
allowed to function properly and they are kept meticulously clean.
They must be taught to appreciate their body, before the trauma of
stripping them of everything they value. Dissociation does not have
to be taught to the child, because they have a genetic leaning
toward it, and the premature birth has taught them to dissociate. All
in all, the child has been allowed only to build a relationship with
its programmer(s). The child has learned to trust, obey and adore
the programmer during the first 18 months of its life. Its mind is
lining up with hypnotic suggestions, cues, and is being obedient.
Foundation Step 4
Fracturing the Mind
The fourth stage is built upon the foundation of dissociation created
in the first & second stages, and the love created in the third stage.
(The demonology of the first step also helps pull in demons
associated with programming, tunneling in the mind, and
multiplicity, which are used in the fourth foundational step.)
Often in the fourth step, the child’s mind will fracture along the
same dissociation fracture lines that the trauma of the premature
birth created. If the child is not a premature baby, it will need some
additional help to want to dissociate. The child can have its senses
overwhelmed repeatedly to the point that it learns to react to its
surroundings by what appears on the outside as a numbness, and
mentally is simply dissociation.
Everything imaginable can be used to overwhelm the caged little
child’s senses and create dissociation. Rotten faul odors of the
child’s excrement, of amnonia, and rotten food while it huddles in
its cage will overwhelm the child’s sense of smell. Being fed blood
overwhelms the sense of taste. The chanting of the Programmers
dressed in Satanic garb, banging noises, rock music and the electric
hum, and ultrasonic stimulation overwhelms the child’s sense of
hearing. The child’s natural developing sense of shapes is taken
advantage of by spinning the child and making it feel like it is
going to fall. The child will also be deprived of sleep and drugged.
Together all this will provide the dissociative base for splitting the
core.
The fourth stage is to strip the child of everything nice and lovely in
the world. The child is caged and tormented by electric shock. The
child’s senses will be overloaded and they will become numb.
Eyewitnesses have described these hundreds of numbed children as
"zombies". This stage and the programming put in after the
foundational dissociation is created will form the next chapter.
In the fourth step, the child is starved, cold and naked. When they
finally see their beloved master or beloved adult caretaker appear
after suffering from 42 to 72 hours, they are excited and they
dissociate the pain of the previous hours of deprivation. Help
appears to be on the scene. At that point the programmer/beloved
adult shows his/her most vicious side, and the child in order to deal
with how this loving caretaker has not only rejected them but is
now hurting them dissociates along the same fractures of
dissociation created by the trauma of the premature birth.
In review of steps 3 and 4, part of the programming is to have the
primary initial abuser bond with the child. A close loving bond is
needed between a child and the initial abuser so that a clean split is
created when the initial mind-splitting trauma is carried out. The
clean split occurs when the child is confronted with two
irreconcilable opposing viewpoints of someone who is important to
them. The child can’t reconcile the two extremely opposite views of
the same person, one being a loving caretaker, and the other being
the worst kind of abuser. The person the child trusted the most is
the person the child fears the most.
Some professional therapists have come to realize that this is how
the core is split. Jody Lienhart, a multiple herself, in her Ph.d
dissertation correctly identifies the double bind of having two
extremely opposite views of the most important person in the
child’s life as the fundamental splitting mechanism. She writes in
her 1983 dissertation on p. 6-7,
"Implicit in each of the studies of childhood trauma is the
pervasive nature of paradoxical communication.
Frequently, this double bind communication style appears
during the formative, preverbal stages of childhood in
which the interpretation of these messages is confused.
This results in insufficient experimental learning which
would allow translation of the confused appropriate
messages... "
This study presents the theoretical assumption that multiple
personality is developed through early childhood state-dependent
learning. [That means that learning is linked to a state of mind.]
Furthermore, it is hypothesized that this learning occurs as a result
of the hypnoidal effects of childhood trauma such as abuse and
sexual molestation. The child, unable to translate the paradoxical
nature of the messages he receives, fragments into a trance state.
Furthermore, it is suggested that memories incorporated during
each of these hypnoidal experiences are similar to knowledge
acquired during state-dependent learning.
The ability to dissociate is obtained by being genetically bred from
dissociative parents, by having a premature birth/traumatic birth if
possible, and by the conditioning done at the original programming
center (between 18 mo. & 3 years) where intermittent electric shock
along with the all the senses being overwhelmed, along with sleep
deprivation and drugs create a dissociative base to split the core.
The initial sadistic abuse to split the mind, is called "severing the
core."
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Hi *Mo*.
I can't prove u wht I feel, can I? I feel that this theory is NOT connected in any way with MJ!
In fact, it's not a very "flatering" theory for MJ to be associated with! controled, DID, raped,etc! DISGUSTING, just like LiteEyeZ22 said in his/her comment!
And if u read LiteEye you will understand thrue her/his statement the exact way I feel about all this!
Asking me to prove u are wrong, it's not my intention to do this!
How can I prove u are wrong, if you cannot prove that ur theory is based on TRUE facts???
You created ur theory based on infos u have found on the internet??? how genuine/true or far fetched are the infos we get on the internet?? Now I would like to see ur argumentation
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Hi *Mo*.
I can't prove u wht I feel, can I? I feel that this theory is NOT connected in any way with MJ!
In fact, it's not a very "flatering" theory for MJ to be associated with! controled, DID, raped,etc! DISGUSTING, just like LiteEyeZ22 said in his/her comment!
And if u read LiteEye you will understand thrue her/his statement the exact way I feel about all this!
Asking me to prove u are wrong, it's not my intention to do this!
How can I prove u are wrong, if you cannot prove that ur theory is based on TRUE facts???
You created ur theory based on infos u have found on the internet??? how genuine/true or far fetched are the infos we get on the internet?? Now I would like to see ur argumentation
We have provided PLENTY argumentation (we never claimed we had facts) for our theory. Do you think we had a good feeling while researching all this? Do you think we enjoy associating Mike with all these horrible things? I can tell you our feelings are the total opposite of feeling good! But our "flatering" theory, as you choose to call it, has a lot more argumentation than your "I feel that this theory is NOT connected in any way with MJ!" as you provide no argumentation at all.
The whole Mind Control issue is indeed disgusting, and I hope someone will step forward and prove our theory is wrong, but until that time I will stick to it. So keep on coming in here saying we are wrong, fine, no problem, but if you have no argumentation at all there is no use at all to your post.
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Question: Are people disturbed by these DID, Mind Control, Illuminati type of discussions because they shatter and dispel the “I know Michael Jackson” belief held by so many fans?
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Question: Are people disturbed by these DID, Mind Control, Illuminati type of discussions because they shatter and dispel the “I know Michael Jackson” belief held by so many fans?
YES GirlSaturday, I think you just hit the nail on the head!
Thinking they know Mike, emotional barriers, the high horse, just name it...
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@ *Mo*..."We have provided PLENTY argumentation (we never claimed we had facts) for our theory."
And ur huge argumentation comes from the internet, right??? That means you used some informations, wich might be true or false, right?
My only argumentation that justifies why I do not belive in ur theory, are MJ's own words:
"Just because you read it in a magazine ( or internet, I might add)
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
You're so damn disrespectable".
So, in order to make me (or other suspicios minds) beLIEve this theory, You must come with some facts! and not : WHT IF this happent to MJ and thats why he HAD to FAKE his death??
And btw, I don't mean to upset u with my opinions! we're just talking and sharing our thoughts, as far as I'm concerned.
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@ *Mo*..."We have provided PLENTY argumentation (we never claimed we had facts) for our theory."
And ur huge argumentation comes from the internet, right??? That means you used some informations, wich might be true or false, right?
My only argumentation that justifies why I do not belive in ur theory, are MJ's own words:
"Just because you read it in a magazine ( or internet, I might add)
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
You're so damn disrespectable".
So, in order to make me (or other suspicios minds) beLIEve this theory, You must come with some facts! and not : WHT IF this happent to MJ and thats why he HAD to FAKE his death??
And btw, I don't mean to upset u with my opinions! we're just talking and sharing our thoughts, as far as I'm concerned.
Arianna,
Let me say the following... You are of course entitled to that opinon, we are not here to convince you otherwise. All we do is investigate the circumstances around Mike's life and death and we want to know why certain things happened in his life and why some clues are presented to us after June 25, 2009.
You quote lyrics from Tabloid Junkie:
"Just because you read it in a magazine ( or internet, I might add)
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
You're so damn disrespectable"
That is exactly our point. We are presenting something that has NOT been in the tabloids or mainstream media, we are thinking outside the box. If you would read up on mind control and the Illuminati, you would be surprised how many extra clues you will bump into that are supporting this theory.
We are not presenting facts, we are presenting a theory and we supported this theory with arguments, we have stated why we think this might be what has happened. No one has proof in this hoax, nor do we, but this story does make sense.
What bothers me the most is not the fact that people disagree, but the fact that people say that we are claiming that Mike was some sort of weak person or freak for this. I want you to know that it's not like that. Victims of Mind Control are programmed when they are very little, read the part from the book I posted above. It has nothing to do with him being weak, fragile or weird, it is a crime commited to him that could have had these consequences. He is a victim, like 2 millions others in the USA. We think Mike is actually very STRONG for pulling off this hoax to get the truth out. We think he broke free from them and we are not being disrespectful at all.
What if this did happen to him? Well I don't have words for it, it makes me very sad and VERY angry. But if he broke free, I am very sure he has a plan to expose these people. And for that we have the utmost RESPECT for him.
I am aware of the fact that this theory is not a nice 'popping out of a cake' one, but what if this turns out to be true and people have said things like: "In fact, it's not a very "flatering" theory for MJ to be associated with! controled, DID, raped,etc! DISGUSTING"
Yes it IS disgusting, but Mike is not the one that is disgusting, but the people that did this to him! Think about that.
I would like to know your thoughts on how you think this would not be possible though, because I would love this theory to be completely debunked because I dont like it either. I would rather have proof he had a good childhood without abuse and that he did not have Dissociative Identity Disorder. So if you can debunk, please do so.
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The illuminati has failed to control Michael yeah they had him for a bit but he knew it was wrong like i said in my previous thread he is sick and tired of them and when he comes back he is going to expose everything they did to him, Souza i want to ask you if you think they infected him with vitiligo to warn him and he just brushed it off and continued to fight them
I think the vitiligo is a result of the drugs they gave him, but I am sure he didn't "brush it off". He is a black man and they made him a white man, even a white female. How do you think that would be like? Imagine yourself (I don't know where you are from, but let's say you are European) turning into a black person. I am not saying it's a bad thing to be black, don't misunderstand me, but your whole identity would be gone. Who are you? Who do you relate to? You would look different from your family, your siblings. Imagine that, that is not something you can 'brush off', that is something you would struggle with for the rest of your life. He dealt with it, because he had to, there was no choice for him. But he did decide to fight, and for that I can only have the deepest respect.
I believe they did some atrocious things to Michael to control him and make him out to be the Greatest Entertainer in the world. No wonder MJ went through so many changes throughout his life (internal/physical). Even though they drugged him and turned his skin white Michael was a Black man at the core of his existence. He always surrounded himself with Black people. I know that alot of Blacks in society thought MJ was trying to be white when I was growing up. I am so thankful the truth has been revealed after all of these decades. I don't want to step on anyone's toes and forgive me if I offend anyone. I strongly believe Joe Jackson had alot to do with Michael being introduced to those people when he was a young boy. That man is evil to the core. I don't care for him at all. He never saw Michael as a son only a tool for making himself wealthy. It has come full circle though. MJ didn't leave him anything. Unjust never prospers! I can't say I blame Michael for throwing up when he came around. But I am thankful that at the end of the day everyone will get their just reward for the deeds they did on earth both good/bad.
Keep the Faith! :)
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Thanks Souza for the quotes.
The info you posted talks about a very early aged individual. Since when do you think that MJ was mind controlled?
Are we talking here from the Thriller era or really since he was a a kid?
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Thanks Souza for the quotes.
The info you posted talks about a very early aged individual. Since when do you think that MJ was mind controlled?
Are we talking here from the Thriller era or really since he was a a kid?
Really since he was a kid...
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Thanks Souza for the quotes.
The info you posted talks about a very early aged individual. Since when do you think that MJ was mind controlled?
Are we talking here from the Thriller era or really since he was a a kid?
Really since he was a kid...
Before or after he became a star? Who could have been behind it?
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I would like to point out that Dissociative Identity Disorder (D.I.D.) is a REAL disorder. It was previously called Multiple Personality Disorder (M.P.D.). It is included in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (D.S.M.) used by psychiatrist and psychologist to diagnose their patients.
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual_of_Mental_Disorders
The causes of dissociative identity disorder are theoretically linked with the interaction of overwhelming stress, traumatic antecedents, insufficient childhood nurturing, and an innate ability to dissociate memories or experiences from consciousness. A high percentage of patients report child abuse. People diagnosed with DID often report that they have experienced severe physical and sexual abuse, especially during their childhood. Several psychiatric rating scales of DID sufferers suggested that DID is strongly related to childhood trauma rather than to an underlying electrophysiological dysfunction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder
Therefore, anyone who experiences severe, prolonged physical, emotional and/or sexual abuse in childhood may suffer from this disorder as it occurs as a defensive/coping mechanism.
TWO FAMOUS CASES
http://psychology.jrank.org/pages/189/Dissociative-Identity-Disorder.html
A woman with 22 personalities was recounted in 1957 in a major motion picture staring Joanne Woodward and in a book by Corbett Thigpen, both titled the Three Faces of Eve. Twenty years later, in 1977, Caroline Sizemore, the 22nd personality to emerge in "Eve," described her experiences in a book titled I'm Eve. Although the woman known as "Eve" developed a total of 22 personalities, only three could exist at any one time—for a new one to emerge, an existing personality would "die."
[youtube:13f10kwd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDkk6Qs8Vr0[/youtube:13f10kwd]
The story of Sybil (a pseudonym) was published in 1973 by Flora Rheta Schreiber, who worked closely for a decade with Sybil and her New York psychiatrist Dr. Cornelia B. Wilbur. Sybil's sixteen distinct personalities emerged over a period of 40 years.
[youtube:13f10kwd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1_Z6-v4uT0[/youtube:13f10kwd]
Who are the Illuminati?
As far as history can suggest, Illuminati groups from Europe were some of the more advanced thinkers of the time period. They included scientists, philosophers, inventors, etc hence the name Illuminati or Illuminated/Enlightened ones. This organization still exists today and they believe they are above us all, they have knowledge, power and financial means and they believe that only they are entitled to these. It is not hard then to see how knowledgeable individuals, who also wish to control our society, could utilize this disorder by purposely inducing it in people, to create mind controlled slaves and Manchurian candidates to do their bidding.
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Thanks Souza for the quotes.
The info you posted talks about a very early aged individual. Since when do you think that MJ was mind controlled?
Are we talking here from the Thriller era or really since he was a a kid?
Really since he was a kid...
Before or after he became a star? Who could have been behind it?
IMHO before, but I am not sure. And because this is just a theory I am not pointing fingers...
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For myself this theory is bang on. It explains the many inconstancies in Michael's behaviour. From the differences we see in his voice timber, the way he moves physically, the way he looks in different photographs, the shrewd business man compared to the sensitive, compassionate man, and even his seemingly not so truthful answers sometimes (ie the Martin Bashir interview in which he contradicts himself several times when asked about plastic surgery or Blankets mother). He often seemed like a different person. For example, if he does or did (as integration may have occurred or is occurring) suffer from this disorder, the "boy" Michael may have been the personality having sleep overs and playing with other children. This then would not be unusual behaviour for a personality that was also a child. People with this disorder may also develop and discard personalities through out their lives, this happens as personalities are no longer useful or a new situations arise that require someone else to deal with them. So maybe the Michael in the wheel chair was an old man or sickly personality. Really you must consider all of the possibilities before just saying that there is no way that this could be true.
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Serenditys_Dream Quote:
[bTherefore, anyone who experiences severe, prolonged physical, emotional and/or sexual abuse in childhood may suffer from this disorder as it occurs as a defensive/coping mechanism.][/b]
I know I had posted my own personal experience(testimony) of this. In ways that I can relate to this very thing. That when you are abused in this manner you find ways to cope. I won't go any further as I had already posted last week. But if anyone want to pm me that is fine. I have no problems talking about it.
I am somewhat still trying to understand being the "female alter ego" in regards to MJ that you are stating here. I do also agree with Liteeyes222 about the parenting part. Although women are really more the nurturers as we are the carriers of life. I know that you(Mo and Souza) are stating theories and not facts.
However, regardless of whether many will believe or not if the Illuminati/Mind Control exist and (I do believe it does with no question). I just finished listening yesterday to a lady name Beverly Eackman who is an eductional expert who is stating that many of the public schools in this US are preparing our children to become more docile and excepting to newage/newwordorder tactics. You can go to youtube to find her or go to her site at http://www.beverlye.com (http://www.beverlye.com). I have considering take my son back out of the public school system and placing him either in private school or either homeschool.
But regardless of whether many believe he went through this. This stuff needs to be exposed and spreaded on. There is aot of corruption going on. There is just too much at stake to continue to pretend that everything is "ROSEY" in this world anymore as I know in my own spiritual beliefs that it is not so. There is a real world going on and it is not just the natural but also a spiritual warfare for our own soul.[/b]
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I would like to know your thoughts on how you think this would not be possible though, because I would love this theory to be completely debunked because I dont like it either. I would rather have proof he had a good childhood without abuse and that he did not have Dissociative Identity Disorder. So if you can debunk, please do so.
Souza, I have some points written in my PC's hard drive for about two weeks, but been hesitating to post them, because this is quite a huge topic and it will require lots of reading, researching, and analyzing. Possibly mind control does exist, but I don't know if it is as horrible as it is explained in your posts. With all due respect, after much thought, and because you have asked to post what others believe, I will post what I wrote. Of course, this is not meant to debunk your theory, because so far none of the comments I have read have absolute proof if MJ has been or hasn't been under mind control or Illuminati control. Our comments have been based only in theories and personal opinions. Maybe my thoughts will change later on, but for now I still stand on what I have written. It's a long post, but here goes...
I've read this theory a few times already. I do believe the Illuminati existed. I don’t believe that they are still an organized group, using Hollywood to take over the world. There is no concrete proof that this is a real organization that still meet up at a certain place. The Illuminati was disbanded by the end of the 18th century. Some say it is a secret society, yet it is spread all over the internet, books, movies… What I do believe is that there are power and money hungry individuals who would do anything for money. Yes, the real master behind this all is greed for money and power.
I believe MJ was sadly controlled as a child, yes, but by his own father. Joe wasn't successful at being a musician himself. But, he did whatever it took to make the boys successful. MJ was physically and mentally hurt by his dad. He had to do things perfectly, or he would beat little MJ. Michael lost his childhood because he had to make his frustrated father famous and millionaire.
Though I've seen Mo and Souza have done quite some research to prove their point, I have to ask what is the purpose of subjecting little MJ into MK-Ultra? What did they want from him? As far as I’m concerned, MK- Ultra, MK-NAOMI, and MK-Delta projects' purpose was to interrogate resistant subjects. They would drug them to extract information during world conflicts. Yes, I've read it was used in the entertainment industry, but again what would be the purpose? To spread an evil message? Anyone with no regards would do that for money.
Some of the points our Admins include in their theory are right on the money, but some can be debatable. Known effects of these MK projects were: illogical thinking, amnesia, shock, confusion, poor ambition and working efficiency, distortion of eye sight and hearing, among others. I've searched, but cant find out if these effects lasted only during the mind controlling session. In my opinion, these effects could last for quite a while. How could MJ dance, sing and remember the lyrics for his songs?
The images that were used in TII, may have another meaning. At least some of them do. The trees, flowers and butterflies may represent the beauty of our nature in Earth song, which is being destroyed by us. He wants to remind us how beautiful our Earth is...don't destroy it.
Ancient symbols and letters...they represent the different religions and beliefs. We are the world, we are the children. We all should be united as one?
Spider webs, aliens, monsters, snakes, demons, robots ...all part of a show, his performance, doesn't necessarily have a mystical nature.
The sunglasses...have you heard of uveitis? It sometimes occur with vitiligo, and it is also related to stress. Symptoms of uveitis may include: eye redness, blurred vision, and increased sensitivity to light. Enough reasons to wear sunglasses the whole time. Another reason could be…he just liked the sunglasses. They make him look good, btw.
I don’t know whether MJ’s vitiligo was triggered by any medication, but I know stress did trigger it. According to Dr. Deepak Chopra, one of MJ’s friends, there has been research that suggests that if children have experienced physical, verbal, mental, emotional, or sexual abuse, they can develop autoimmune disorders, like vitiligo and lupus, in their adulthood. He said that MJ was never sexually abused, but he was traumatized verbally and physically in his childhood.
http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm)
http://www.medicinenet.com/uveitis/article.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/uveitis/article.htm)
http://spotlight.vitals.com/2009/07/dr- ... -vitiligo/ (http://spotlight.vitals.com/2009/07/dr-deepak-chopra-michael-jackson-suffered-from-lupus-and-vitiligo/)
I have other thoughts on why he couldn’t be mind-controlled. Lets see how can I organize my thoughts…. In 1982, Thriller recordings begin, but MJ has been quite a while practicing his dance moves. QJ and MJ’s relationship begins to strain. The album is not gonna be a hit like Off The Wall, Michael. I think Billie Jean doesn’t fit in the album, says QJ. MJ disagrees, and QJ says it wouldn’t sell, but stubborn Michael Jackson THREATENS to cancel the album’s release, if he didn’t include Billie Jean. Does this seem like someone who would be easily controlled? Not likely.
MJ was always aware of social issues such as racism. Have you heard the lyrics of “Can you feel it”? Well this is why I believe The Black Panther Party is another debatable subject. Maybe he did join, but was it because he wanted to fight or expose mind-controlling? Michael breaks loose from his controllers and is able to fight with the panthers according to Mo and Souza's theory. Who were his controllers? Berry Gordy controlled the Jackson’s career until the break down in 1976. So he was fighting against his own brothers? The purpose of the Black Panthers was to fight for black people's rights. I don’t know what roles did Berry Gordy and Quincy Jones played in MJ’s career during these eras, besides producing music for the J5 and MJ. (Someone please enlighten me on this, since I’m not very aware of how album productions work. Aren’t the company and producers the same?) Please read this article about MJ’s relationship with BG.
http://detnews.com/article/20090627/ENT ... -to-Motown (http://detnews.com/article/20090627/ENT04/906270329/1424/Michael-Jackson-forever-tied-to-Motown)
About MJ having alter egos…I wouldn’t even dare to go there, as I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist. Actually I’ve read that some professionals continue to be of the opinion that Dissociative Identity Disorder does not exist. This skepticism is sometimes due to questions about why many more individuals who have endured the stress of terrible abuse as young children do not develop the disorder, why more children are not diagnosed as having DID, and why some DID sufferers have no history of tremendous trauma.
http://www.medicinenet.com/dissociative ... rticle.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/dissociative_identity_disorder/article.htm)
My opinion is that if, and that’s a big IF, MJ did have a “split personality” , that would be little MJ and MJ the man, the artist, the businessman, the father… He had his flaws like we all do. Do we behave the same way everywhere? Or with different groups? I work with children, and believe me, my attitude, approach and behavior is different compared to the one I have when I’m among adults. The same goes when I’m among the elderly or when I’m with my friends…I behave differently. Does this imply that I have a split personality? Maybe I do…hehe.
Little MJ - wanted to compensate the childhood he had lost. He worked so hard to fulfill Joe’s wishes of becoming famous …
In my opinion…Susie doesn’t exist, and if she does, the proofs we have are subjective.
A man wearing make up? Did you know it was quite cool to wear it during the 80’s? Especially the heavy eyeliner. Michael used it also to cover his scars and vitiligo. But he wore false eyelashes? People with vitiligo may have premature graying of the scalp hair, eyelashes, eyebrows, and beard. This should explain the tattoos on eyebrows and the thick mascara. He wore lipstick and eyeshadow sometimes, true, but well, guess he needs it after a thick layer of foundation.
http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm)
Female double in TII - no proof, just speculation…
Disguised as blond lady - no proof really, just our thoughts
High voice - trademark ( he sold a lot music with it, didn’t he?)
Wearing women’s clothes - this is the one thing I couldn’t explain, and besides the tight pants, I seriously wouldn’t have noticed if someone else had not pointed it out. He wore a men’s suit coat with it in some occasions.
If MJ was a victim of mind control…I don’t know, for sure, as I said above, I am guessing he wasn’t. I believe he is a victim of his dad’s frustration, and (I hate saying this) a victim of his own success. His money and his catalogue are magnets for leeches and fame-crawlers. Maybe he was guilty of trusting these leeches too fast.
Michael fought, yes, against racism, war, pollution through his songs. He also exposed someone in 2002. "The record companies really do conspire against the artists, especially the black artists.“ Remember those words? He has been fighting against something we cant see. Greed, lies and lust for power. All I wanna say is that they don’t really care about us…He’s trying to open our eyes…Do not rely on your government. Remember President Ronald Reagan’s famous words…“Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem.” MJ also said don’t wait for the government for a solution. He did his job, and here we are exploring every single word he said.
So now, Illuminati or no Illuminati, what we have to do is spread the LOVE, and fight for our children and for a better tomorrow, not because MJ says it, but because it is our duty. Oh and let’s figure out this hoax!
PS - I’m in no way saying Mo and Souza’s theory isn’t plausible. Just saying that the clues they present as signs of mind control may have a different meaning when applied to MJ.
Edit** And then again, my thoughts can all be just my desire to believe that MJ didnt go through all this, because I cant endure the pain, but if he did he has all my love, and all my respect. Blessings.
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i have read some stuff on mind control.. and its nasty nasty stuff!! i cannot see MJ going through the stuff that was written about it!! how it all happens etc.. and i'm not going to illaborate on it, its not my place to..
the stuff Mo an Souza have come up with makes perfect sence.. but the way this would have happened and how you become under mind control does not!! when it comes to Mike.. IMO
thats my 2 cents anyway..
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Question: Are people disturbed by these DID, Mind Control, Illuminati type of discussions because they shatter and dispel the “I know Michael Jackson” belief held by so many fans?
Yes this is the problem...what people need to know is that celebs only let you see and know what they want...YOU DON'T KNOW THEM! What you see isn't always there reality
There entertainers,and once people stop thinking everything they say or do is real we can get somewhere, they put on "shows" and build "images" for a reason,yes they may give clues or insite but again that doesn't mean you really know them
So now look at what people say about mike: "they were out to get him" , then when explaine they are illuminati people say no, well who is "they" lol....its like people know what's going on but can't except the answer. And that's what "they" want
"He had a horrible childhood" well what makes you think that. This couldn't have been apart of that abuse?why do you feel mike is exempt for this?he is human like us and this could happen to any1.obviously no1 wants this to be true but it may be true. Look @ how he breaks down at the thought...could be more than beating right???
You can't dismisss something based off "feelings" ,sorry but that dumb...so because someone. "Feels" mike is a pedofile he is??? Even when there is a shit load of evidence suggesting otherwise? The same applies here...please use logic not emotions
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Why would. Mike have to be under mind control to be a black panther?why couldn't he still be a member?
I'm sorry but that makes no sense
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Why would. Mike have to be under mind control to be a black panther?why couldn't he still be a member?
I'm sorry but that makes no sense
Actually if you read again, I'm saying my guess is MJ wasn't under mind control. And that if he did join the Black Panthers, it wasn't precisely because he wanted to expose mind control, but because he wanted to fight against racism. Remember, Mo and Souza's theory mentions that MJ breaks loose from his controllers and is able to fight with the Black Panthers. Lets believe MJ was mind controlled as a child, teenager, young adult. Who were his controllers? Weren't QJ and BG taking control over his career until he was a young adult? Aren't these two men black? What was the purpose of the Black Panthers? They were fighting for black people's rights.
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i have read some stuff on mind control.. and its nasty nasty stuff!! i cannot see MJ going through the stuff that was written about it!! how it all happens etc.. and i'm not going to illaborate on it, its not my place to..
the stuff Mo an Souza have come up with makes perfect sence.. but the way this would have happened and how you become under mind control does not!! when it comes to Mike.. IMO
thats my 2 cents anyway..
Why NOT? Argumentation please!
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Why would. Mike have to be under mind control to be a black panther?why couldn't he still be a member?
I'm sorry but that makes no sense
Actually if you read again, I'm saying my guess is MJ wasn't under mind control. And that if he did join the Black Panthers, it wasn't precisely because he wanted to expose mind control, but because he wanted to fight against racism. Remember, Mo and Souza's theory mentions that MJ breaks loose from his controllers and is able to fight with the Black Panthers. Lets believe MJ was mind controlled as a child, teenager, young adult. Who were his controllers? Weren't QJ and BG taking control over his career until he was a young adult? Aren't these two men black? What was the purpose of the Black Panthers? They were fighting for black people's rights.
imho I don't think qj or bg were his "handlers" and yes motown controled the songs but that doesn't mean there were higher up who controled the "image" or "message"
Maybe he got with the panther because he knows they will fight the powers and have no ties to the illuminati
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I still don't get why if he was under mind control,by the illuminati, who obviously don't care for black people,would want or let mike participate with something for black rights? And they are not only about black rights...they for equality
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i have read some stuff on mind control.. and its nasty nasty stuff!! i cannot see MJ going through the stuff that was written about it!! how it all happens etc.. and i'm not going to illaborate on it, its not my place to..
the stuff Mo an Souza have come up with makes perfect sence.. but the way this would have happened and how you become under mind control does not!! when it comes to Mike.. IMO
thats my 2 cents anyway..
Why NOT? Argumentation please!
the stuff i read is disturbing and grafic.. not everyone may want to read it.. so i don't think its should be posted.. i'll send the link to you if you want and you decide if you want to post it!! i do understand that people can choose to open the link if they want, but as we have young members on here.. no disrespect but i don't think its appropriate for everyone!! it shocked the hell outta me!! :shock:
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i have read some stuff on mind control.. and its nasty nasty stuff!! i cannot see MJ going through the stuff that was written about it!! how it all happens etc.. and i'm not going to illaborate on it, its not my place to..
the stuff Mo an Souza have come up with makes perfect sence.. but the way this would have happened and how you become under mind control does not!! when it comes to Mike.. IMO
thats my 2 cents anyway..
Why NOT? Argumentation please!
the stuff i read is disturbing and grafic.. not everyone may want to read it.. so i don't think its should be posted.. i'll send the link to you if you want and you decide if you want to post it!! i do understand that people can choose to open the link if they want, but as we have young members on here.. no disrespect but i don't think its appropriate for everyone!! it shocked the hell outta me!! :shock:
Yes, you can PM me, but I think already know which link you're going to send me. Been there, read that, at least things according to it. That stuff is indeed not suitable for posting here. Just PM me please...
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. . .ok to me I don't believe in this theory because pretty much his behavior cud b explained excluding this whole mind control business.....and the Alter ego? wow! That theory is shot dead imo opinion once it was stated his "female" alter ego took over when nurturing blanket! Honestly its called good parenting! My father and ny grandfather nurtured me wen I was lil so they got alter egos too?? that doesn't make sense imho.....the whole "little Mike" umm have u seen his childhood? wat do u expect? He can joke around and play with kids and have sleep overs AND nurture them as a parent all at the same time.....He was resonsible
Mike knew how to play the game, his soft sweet voice was his public voice that he puts on as stated many times and after pretty much history I dnt think he cared whether to use it or not b.c after history he started becoming more and more angry and more aggressive with words/lyrics nd that dnt need a soft voice........so in my humble this theory is out the window for me....especially since people r always saying its hard to control mike.....so ya
And as for the raping thing ive read that b4 and I'm absolutely disgusted!! Do u guys honestly think Joe would allow that? Yea he might've beaten the shyt outta them but taking it that far? infact do think Kathrine would allow this? HELL NO......cmon the lady found out because she happened to forget to close the door? Wat a load of BS.......how u think they r able to perform after getting raped?? That is so horrifying and disgusting that sum1 wud scoop that low for their 12min of fame nd try bringin shame to the family's name!!! Absolutely disgusted smfh!!!! But pple I guess have their own opinions but that raping story u can tell thas bs....
Btw I will not deny the fact that I do have an open mind about the Illuminati....could Mike have been controlled by them in EARLY (til thriller era, maybe evn b4) yrs? possibly
You say you have an open mind about the Illuminati, yet you reject the methods the Illuminati uses to program people..? That I do not understand. Did you research it? How do you think people get programmed? By promising cookies when they 'behave accordingly'? I read about how it's done, step by step, and I ended up seriously emotionally disturbed, literally being sick to my stomach. I would like to ask you to do some research about this, and then come back and tell me if you stand with what you wrote in your reply...
Yes i have done research on them which is y I keep an open mind about it and Which is y I stated its possible mike could have been involved in the early yes prior to thriller and bmaybe even including thriller.....i DO NOT however agree to the fact that he had all the alter egos and that he was being mind controlled (after thriller) MJ stated several times himself that it is hard to control him as well as other pple have stated this.....I never said I rejected THIER methods I'm rejecting the fact that they were used MJ....cmon being raped right before performing thas the dumbest/disgusting theory ive heard ! And the alter egos r easily explainable as ive stated above.......and wat i mean by having an open mind about illuminati bout MJ related as stated its possible thriller era and b4 he was involved and in later years he fought against them...there's no denying his lyrics nd words were war but it cud also b something else only Mike knows......I'm just saying pple need to stop diagnosising him with far fetched theories.....thas all most of his behavoir is explainable w.o mind control/Illuminati relation
You are contradicting yourself. You state "Yes i have done research on them which is y I keep an open mind about it" but in the next sentence you state "i DO NOT however agree to the fact that he had all the alter egos".
If you have researched this then you would know that their methods are designed to create alter egos (read Dissociative Identity Disorder), and that these alter egos are programmed. Mind control is all about alter egos.
TrustNoOne has posted excellent info about deprogramming, please read those, then you will probably understand what happened and what it takes to get deprogrammed.
Ok maybe ur misunderstanding me......i have an open mind about the Illuminati in general like whether they even exist or not.....wat I DO NOT agree with is Michael having alter egos, being raped, and being controlled period....maybe prior to thriller he was being jus controlled but thas about it for me..I understand thas the way they program pple but I dnt agree that Michael was one of them....like just because he's a powerful black male he was under mind control? And it wasnt his music and his heart that touched pple?? Cmon that doesnt make sense......and thas my belief and clearly we have two different opinions so it makes no sense to go back and 4th b.c I'm not going to brainwashed and that gullible to believe this i'll take my chances on my belief nd if just so happens I'm rong I cud deal with it....
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Hi *Mo*.
I can't prove u wht I feel, can I? I feel that this theory is NOT connected in any way with MJ!
In fact, it's not a very "flatering" theory for MJ to be associated with! controled, DID, raped,etc! DISGUSTING, just like LiteEyeZ22 said in his/her comment!
And if u read LiteEye you will understand thrue her/his statement the exact way I feel about all this!
Asking me to prove u are wrong, it's not my intention to do this!
How can I prove u are wrong, if you cannot prove that ur theory is based on TRUE facts???
You created ur theory based on infos u have found on the internet??? how genuine/true or far fetched are the infos we get on the internet?? Now I would like to see ur argumentation
Thank u Arianna! And for the record no i dnt know Mike personality but his heart and his personality and his lyrics is where I get my belief from...ive never stated facts ive stated by beliefs and never said Mike didnt or dont I said I dnt believe or think mike....so dnt say i think I KNOW mike cuz honestly none of us here do!! I base my beliefs on what is presented to me thru MICHAEL HIMSELF...nd wat I c is a Strong Smart Amazing human being who had no childhood nd who every1 wanted a piece of at the age of 11 and as got older he was faced with adolescence, racism, money, power and every1 just wanted him but couldnt have him so wat happens "he's gay, he don't wanna b black, he's a freak, he's weird" but yet he still came out on top! I dnt think a child who has been raped would able to function the way he did and then never speak of it? I'm srry but i just dnt buy that ladys story....and thas my BELIEF AND OPINION.........Thanks again Arianna :-)
P.S. ima girl hee hee :-D
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Ok maybe ur misunderstanding me......i have an open mind about the Illuminati in general like whether they even exist or not.....wat I DO NOT agree with is Michael having alter egos, being raped, and being controlled period....maybe prior to thriller he was being jus controlled but thas about it for me..I understand thas the way they program pple but I dnt agree that Michael was one of them....like just because he's a powerful black male he was under mind control? And it wasnt his music and his heart that touched pple?? Cmon that doesnt make sense......and thas my belief and clearly we have two different opinions so it makes no sense to go back and 4th b.c I'm not going to brainwashed and that gullible to believe this i'll take my chances on my belief nd if just so happens I'm rong I cud deal with it....
Who said he under mind control because he's black?lol
Where did anyone say that it wasn't his heart we feel in lov
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" I dnt think a child who has been raped would able to function the way he did and then never speak of it? I'm srry but i just dnt buy that ladys story....and thas my
Wow I thought you were opened minded? So if your raped you can't over come that and become stronger for it? With love and support you will still not be able to function as a strong,smart person?
Umm let's see oprah was molested,they say she's doesn't want to be black,she's gay and she's fat..and yet she's still on top?and that's just 1 example
That's sad you think that way
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I would like to know your thoughts on how you think this would not be possible though, because I would love this theory to be completely debunked because I dont like it either. I would rather have proof he had a good childhood without abuse and that he did not have Dissociative Identity Disorder. So if you can debunk, please do so.
Souza, I have some points written in my PC's hard drive for about two weeks, but been hesitating to post them, because this is quite a huge topic and it will require lots of reading, researching, and analyzing. Possibly mind control does exist, but I don't know if it is as horrible as it is explained in your posts. With all due respect, after much thought, and because you have asked to post what others believe, I will post what I wrote. Of course, this is not meant to debunk your theory, because so far none of the comments I have read have absolute proof if MJ has been or hasn't been under mind control or Illuminati control. Our comments have been based only in theories and personal opinions. Maybe my thoughts will change later on, but for now I still stand on what I have written. It's a long post, but here goes...
I've read this theory a few times already. I do believe the Illuminati existed. I don’t believe that they are still an organized group, using Hollywood to take over the world. There is no concrete proof that this is a real organization that still meet up at a certain place. The Illuminati was disbanded by the end of the 18th century. Some say it is a secret society, yet it is spread all over the internet, books, movies… What I do believe is that there are power and money hungry individuals who would do anything for money. Yes, the real master behind this all is greed for money and power.
I believe MJ was sadly controlled as a child, yes, but by his own father. Joe wasn't successful at being a musician himself. But, he did whatever it took to make the boys successful. MJ was physically and mentally hurt by his dad. He had to do things perfectly, or he would beat little MJ. Michael lost his childhood because he had to make his frustrated father famous and millionaire.
Though I've seen Mo and Souza have done quite some research to prove their point, I have to ask what is the purpose of subjecting little MJ into MK-Ultra? What did they want from him? As far as I’m concerned, MK- Ultra, MK-NAOMI, and MK-Delta projects' purpose was to interrogate resistant subjects. They would drug them to extract information during world conflicts. Yes, I've read it was used in the entertainment industry, but again what would be the purpose? To spread an evil message? Anyone with no regards would do that for money.
Some of the points our Admins include in their theory are right on the money, but some can be debatable. Known effects of these MK projects were: illogical thinking, amnesia, shock, confusion, poor ambition and working efficiency, distortion of eye sight and hearing, among others. I've searched, but cant find out if these effects lasted only during the mind controlling session. In my opinion, these effects could last for quite a while. How could MJ dance, sing and remember the lyrics for his songs?
The images that were used in TII, may have another meaning. At least some of them do. The trees, flowers and butterflies may represent the beauty of our nature in Earth song, which is being destroyed by us. He wants to remind us how beautiful our Earth is...don't destroy it.
Ancient symbols and letters...they represent the different religions and beliefs. We are the world, we are the children. We all should be united as one?
Spider webs, aliens, monsters, snakes, demons, robots ...all part of a show, his performance, doesn't necessarily have a mystical nature.
The sunglasses...have you heard of uveitis? It sometimes occur with vitiligo, and it is also related to stress. Symptoms of uveitis may include: eye redness, blurred vision, and increased sensitivity to light. Enough reasons to wear sunglasses the whole time. Another reason could be…he just liked the sunglasses. They make him look good, btw.
I don’t know whether MJ’s vitiligo was triggered by any medication, but I know stress did trigger it. According to Dr. Deepak Chopra, one of MJ’s friends, there has been research that suggests that if children have experienced physical, verbal, mental, emotional, or sexual abuse, they can develop autoimmune disorders, like vitiligo and lupus, in their adulthood. He said that MJ was never sexually abused, but he was traumatized verbally and physically in his childhood.
http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm)
http://www.medicinenet.com/uveitis/article.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/uveitis/article.htm)
http://spotlight.vitals.com/2009/07/dr- ... -vitiligo/ (http://spotlight.vitals.com/2009/07/dr-deepak-chopra-michael-jackson-suffered-from-lupus-and-vitiligo/)
I have other thoughts on why he couldn’t be mind-controlled. Lets see how can I organize my thoughts…. In 1982, Thriller recordings begin, but MJ has been quite a while practicing his dance moves. QJ and MJ’s relationship begins to strain. The album is not gonna be a hit like Off The Wall, Michael. I think Billie Jean doesn’t fit in the album, says QJ. MJ disagrees, and QJ says it wouldn’t sell, but stubborn Michael Jackson THREATENS to cancel the album’s release, if he didn’t include Billie Jean. Does this seem like someone who would be easily controlled? Not likely.
MJ was always aware of social issues such as racism. Have you heard the lyrics of “Can you feel it”? Well this is why I believe The Black Panther Party is another debatable subject. Maybe he did join, but was it because he wanted to fight or expose mind-controlling? Michael breaks loose from his controllers and is able to fight with the panthers according to Mo and Souza's theory. Who were his controllers? Berry Gordy controlled the Jackson’s career until the break down in 1976. So he was fighting against his own brothers? The purpose of the Black Panthers was to fight for black people's rights. I don’t know what roles did Berry Gordy and Quincy Jones played in MJ’s career during these eras, besides producing music for the J5 and MJ. (Someone please enlighten me on this, since I’m not very aware of how album productions work. Aren’t the company and producers the same?) Please read this article about MJ’s relationship with BG.
http://detnews.com/article/20090627/ENT ... -to-Motown (http://detnews.com/article/20090627/ENT04/906270329/1424/Michael-Jackson-forever-tied-to-Motown)
About MJ having alter egos…I wouldn’t even dare to go there, as I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist. Actually I’ve read that some professionals continue to be of the opinion that Dissociative Identity Disorder does not exist. This skepticism is sometimes due to questions about why many more individuals who have endured the stress of terrible abuse as young children do not develop the disorder, why more children are not diagnosed as having DID, and why some DID sufferers have no history of tremendous trauma.
http://www.medicinenet.com/dissociative ... rticle.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/dissociative_identity_disorder/article.htm)
My opinion is that if, and that’s a big IF, MJ did have a “split personality” , that would be little MJ and MJ the man, the artist, the businessman, the father… He had his flaws like we all do. Do we behave the same way everywhere? Or with different groups? I work with children, and believe me, my attitude, approach and behavior is different compared to the one I have when I’m among adults. The same goes when I’m among the elderly or when I’m with my friends…I behave differently. Does this imply that I have a split personality? Maybe I do…hehe.
Little MJ - wanted to compensate the childhood he had lost. He worked so hard to fulfill Joe’s wishes of becoming famous …
In my opinion…Susie doesn’t exist, and if she does, the proofs we have are subjective.
A man wearing make up? Did you know it was quite cool to wear it during the 80’s? Especially the heavy eyeliner. Michael used it also to cover his scars and vitiligo. But he wore false eyelashes? People with vitiligo may have premature graying of the scalp hair, eyelashes, eyebrows, and beard. This should explain the tattoos on eyebrows and the thick mascara. He wore lipstick and eyeshadow sometimes, true, but well, guess he needs it after a thick layer of foundation.
http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm)
Female double in TII - no proof, just speculation…
Disguised as blond lady - no proof really, just our thoughts
High voice - trademark ( he sold a lot music with it, didn’t he?)
Wearing women’s clothes - this is the one thing I couldn’t explain, and besides the tight pants, I seriously wouldn’t have noticed if someone else had not pointed it out. He wore a men’s suit coat with it in some occasions.
If MJ was a victim of mind control…I don’t know, for sure, as I said above, I am guessing he wasn’t. I believe he is a victim of his dad’s frustration, and (I hate saying this) a victim of his own success. His money and his catalogue are magnets for leeches and fame-crawlers. Maybe he was guilty of trusting these leeches too fast.
Michael fought, yes, against racism, war, pollution through his songs. He also exposed someone in 2002. "The record companies really do conspire against the artists, especially the black artists.“ Remember those words? He has been fighting against something we cant see. Greed, lies and lust for power. All I wanna say is that they don’t really care about us…He’s trying to open our eyes…Do not rely on your government. Remember President Ronald Reagan’s famous words…“Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem.” MJ also said don’t wait for the government for a solution. He did his job, and here we are exploring every single word he said.
So now, Illuminati or no Illuminati, what we have to do is spread the LOVE, and fight for our children and for a better tomorrow, not because MJ says it, but because it is our duty. Oh and let’s figure out this hoax!
PS - I’m in no way saying Mo and Souza’s theory isn’t plausible. Just saying that the clues they present as signs of mind control may have a different meaning when applied to MJ.
Edit** And then again, my thoughts can all be just my desire to believe that MJ didnt go through all this, because I cant endure the pain, but if he did he has all my love, and all my respect. Blessings.
Thank you for that... you put a lot of thought into it. However, please if you can.. go and check some of this MK Ultra stuff out and try and relate it to some of the things in MJ's life. Did you know they actually had 'Peter Pan Programming' sounds ridiculous, i know... but the information is all out there and some things CANNOT just be coincidence, to me anyway. Of course no one wants to believe any of this could be true, I have cried buckets over this.. But lets for a minute say he IS a victim of this.. how bad would it be to have everyone dismiss it and say it didn't happen? Especially since now the victims probably dont have any evidence. Very sad indeed.
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" I dnt think a child who has been raped would able to function the way he did and then never speak of it? I'm srry but i just dnt buy that ladys story....and thas my
I am sorry but I must firmly disagree with you here are some statistics from just Canada on sexual abuse. Imagine what the numbers are world wide.
Canadian Statistics
* 1 in 3 girls and 1 in 6 boys experience an unwanted sexual act.
* 4 out of 5 incidents of sexual abuse will occur before the age of 18.
* 95 % of child sexual abuse victims know their perpetrator.
* Children and youth under 18 years of age are at greatest risk of being sexually assaulted by someone they know.
* While children and youth under the age of 18 represent only one-fifth of the population, (21%) they were victims in 61% of all sexual offences reported to police in 2002. (A total of 8,800 sexual assaults against children and youth were reported to police, 2,863 of which were sexual assaults against children and youth by family members.)
* In 2005, the rate of sexual assault against children and youth was over five times higher than for adults (206 children and youth victims compared to 39 adult victims for every 100,000 people.)
* In 2005, girls under 18 years experienced rates of sexual assault that were almost four times higher than their male counterparts. (For every 100, 000 young females there were 320 victims of sexual assault, compared to a rate of 86 male victims for every 100, 000 young males.)
* Sexual assault against children by family members was more then three times higher for female victims than for male victims (108 compared with 32 incidents per 100, 000 population). (Rates of sexual assault are higher for female victims than for male victims regardless of the relationship to the accused.)
* 54% of girls under 21 have experienced sexual abuse; (22% of these female victims reported two or more sexual offences.)
* 31% of boys under 21 have experienced sexual abuse; (7% of these male victims reported two or more sexual offences.)
* 60% of all reported sexual assaults are against children.
* 30-40% of sexual assault victims are abused by a family member.
Non-parental relatives – 35%
Friends and Peers – 15%
Stepfathers – 13%
Biological Fathers – 9%
Other Acquaintances – 9%
Boyfriend/Girlfriend of Biological Parent – 5%
Biological Mother – 5%
* Very few cases (2%) of substantiated sexual abuse involve a stranger.
* Child and youth victims who were sexually assaulted by family members were on average 9 years old compared to 12 years old for victims of non-family members.
* 64% of sexual offences reported to police took place in a residence
26% took place in public and open areas, and
11% took place in commercial places.
* Boys 4-7 years of age were 3 times more often the victims of sexual abuse than boys of other ages.
* Girls aged 4-7 and 12-17 were twice as likely to be victims of sexual abuse as girls aged 0-3 and 8-11.
Consequences – Individual
* Child victims of sexual abuse have been found to display a wide range of symptomology, such as: low self-esteem, guilt, self blame, social withdrawal, marital and family problems, depression, somatic complaints, difficulties with sexuality, eroticized behaviour and irrational fears.
* There has been retrospective correlation of psychiatric disorders in adulthood with unwanted childhood sexual experiences.
* The long-term consequences of childhood sexual experiences with adults have been demonstrated to include, anxiety, deliberate self-harm, depression, difficulties in interpersonal relationships, eating disorders, poor self-esteem, prostitution, and sexual dysfunction.
* Women who reported sexual abuse histories were more likely to report suicidal ideation at the time of hospitalization and a history of multiple suicide attempts.
http://www.littlewarriors.ca/about_sexual_abuse/statistics.html
Of course not all of these children have experience prolonged sexual abuse and so they may not develop D.I.D. but many do suffer other disorders. Your statement is just not valid as abuse survivors can and do function with in society and yes, some are even successful individuals. It is especially hard for boys and men to disclose sexual abuse due to the societal taboo on homosexuality (considering the majority of abusers are male). There is no way with numbers this high that people can not overcome and function even as Michael did. Please research before making general statements that really hold no validity.
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And for people who think that MK Ultra is a myth. Here's Bill Clinton apologising for it
[youtube:1ej1hmgo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u22mphQsn5s[/youtube:1ej1hmgo]
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I would like to ask everyone who is getting frustrated about the MK ultra post and think of it as a far fetched theory to do their research and read the material available on the net. It is very important that you read, understand and analyze the materials available. Watch the videos over and over, read MJ’s lyrics and let them sink in. Believe me I would be happiest to say that I don’t see the relation between MJ’s life and MK ultra programming at all. But unfortunately the signs are all over once you learn understanding them.
Imagining all the horror of MK ultra programming may cause some of you to find it hard to accept, still it would be absurd to hide our heads in the sand and to dismiss the idea. There are way too many people out there claiming they had been victims. Don’t let them down by denial. Please read, analyze and dissect. Even if it sounds beyond our imagination.. we still have to be there for him. I am sure it is what all of you want to do.
LONG LIVE THE KING!
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" I dnt think a child who has been raped would able to function the way he did and then never speak of it? I'm srry but i just dnt buy that ladys story....and thas my
Sorry but thats about the most stupid thing i ever read. Sorry hun but it is.
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[youtube:2gto89nu]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-pzqMUTyfI[/youtube:2gto89nu]
Please watch that video above featuring Bill Clinton. Definitely food for thought.
LONG LIVE THE KING!
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Thank you Indib and Rabbit for your input! Indeed, the information is all out there, and of course no one wants to believe any of this could be true. Yes, unfortunately the signs are all over, but as long as people simply reject it they will never understand...
Spend some time on researching, put some effort into it. Become aware of the awful things which are going on in this world, become aware of the big picture.
I strongly believe this is a part of Mike's message, it fits perfectly in the fight against a New World Order. Don't let him down just because you can't or won't believe what's really happening, for once make sure his message gets through! He's counting on us...
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It amazes me how some people are so quick to judge a theory, when they haven't even done the proper research. :roll:
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http://www.bittenandbound.com/2008/01/2 ... der-video/ (http://www.bittenandbound.com/2008/01/21/britney-spears-multiple-personality-disorder-video/)
i know this is kinda random but i remeber when britney was having her "breakdown" and she was using a british accent sometimes, well now it makes sense...this is soo sad :| how could you do that to people and then put it front line on every magazine and tv show to laugh at..i feel so bad
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Thank you Indib and Rabbit for your input! Indeed, the information is all out there, and of course no one wants to believe any of this could be true. Yes, unfortunately the signs are all over, but as long as people simply reject it they will never understand...
Spend some time on researching, put some effort into it. Become aware of the awful things which are going on in this world, become aware of the big picture.
I strongly believe this is a part of Mike's message, it fits perfectly in the fight against a New World Order. Don't let him down just because you can't or won't believe what's really happening, for once make sure his message gets through! He's counting on us...
Well... I agree with you this is a very important part in Mike´s message.... but I don´t think he was a part of that plan exactly...
I mean it´s important that people investigate about this because it really happened... and it´s so possible that it is still happening..
I think Michael was pressed all his life by these people... because it´s true they rule the word and he was a lider since a very young age and that was very dangerous for these people ... I even think it´s very strange he´s the only one in the family who had so many health problems and I don´t reject the possibility they did something to him during his inocence...
But MK Ultra it´s impossible... he wouldn´t be able to do anything in that case... MK Ultra programmed people and it was succesfull! You just have to listen to the survivors, they didn´t even know what they were doing, they were like robots... there is no way they programmed Michael to sing "We are the world" or so many other things he did for humanity
Regarding to D.I.D... that´s a natural defense of the brain when you´ve been abused in many differents ways... in fact CIA chose people already abused since childhood because they knew they may have that pathology and continued this abuse in order to control the D.I.D. and use it for their purpose.
What I mean is that Michael probably developed that pathology too from his family history in a natural way... but I don´t think he was programmed by the CIA because he wouldn´t have been able to perform anymore or become the star he became. And he would have shown an evil personality for sure...
Anyway besides the MK Ultra program that was focused on individuals... there is mass mind control... and we´re all a part of it... and I think that is was Michael wanted to make us aware of...
That´s my opinion... I hope I didn´t make too many mistakes... this is not my language...
And thanks anyway for your theory because at least it make us all think..... that can´t be bad....
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Well... I agree with you this is a very important part in Mike´s message.... but I don´t think he was a part of that plan exactly...
I mean it´s important that people investigate about this because it really happened... and it´s so possible that it is still happening..
I think Michael was pressed all his life by these people... because it´s true they rule the word and he was a lider since a very young age and that was very dangerous for these people ... I even think it´s very strange he´s the only one in the family who had so many health problems and I don´t reject the possibility they did something to him during his inocence...
But MK Ultra it´s impossible... he wouldn´t be able to do anything in that case... MK Ultra programmed people and it was succesfull! You just have to listen to the survivors, they didn´t even know what they were doing, they were like robots... there is no way they programmed Michael to sing "We are the world" or so many other things he did for humanity
The fact that they programmed him does not mean that he was not aware of it. Mike was rebelious and went off message many times, that is why he was such a danger to them. Remember the Pepsi-"accident"? I believe 'We are the World' was his answer back. If they would be so succesful programming him, he wouldn't be 'dead' now. Mike has a strong will apparently and they fucked with the wrong person.
Regarding to D.I.D... that´s a natural defense of the brain when you´ve been abused in many differents ways... in fact CIA chose people already abused since childhood because they knew they may have that pathology and continued this abuse in order to control the D.I.D. and use it for their purpose.
What I mean is that Michael probably developed that pathology too from his family history in a natural way... but I don´t think he was programmed by the CIA because he wouldn´t have been able to perform anymore or become the star he became. And he would have shown an evil personality for sure...
I think you are wrong, let me explain why. I have a horse. I have programmed my horse. Not by beatings but with compliments and food. If I give him commands now, he will do it because he knows he will get a reward. Top horses in the world are stars too, all programmed by their handlers. Some in a good way, some due to abuse.
Mike started his therapy years ago in our opinion, because you can clearly see the alters are more on the surface since the early 90's, with in my opinion a peak in the early 00's. He started to talk about his childhood abuse and we saw way more different Mike's than we saw before. People with DID do not report sexual abuse or manifest alters until after treatment has begun, so that is why we believe the therapy must have started in the late 80's.
I am not comparing Mike to a horse, don't get me wrong, but I used this example to explain how it is possible to make someone do something exactly the way you want. It is of course way more complex than that, but I hope you get my point.
Anyway besides the MK Ultra program that was focused on individuals... there is mass mind control... and we´re all a part of it... and I think that is was Michael wanted to make us aware of...
That´s my opinion... I hope I didn´t make too many mistakes... this is not my language...
And thanks anyway for your theory because at least it make us all think..... that can´t be bad....
Thinking is exactly what he wants us to do and it is indeed never a bad thing.
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The whole Mind Control issue is indeed disgusting, and I hope someone will step forward and prove our theory is wrong, but until that time I will stick to it. So keep on coming in here saying we are wrong, fine, no problem, but if you have no argumentation at all there is no use at all to your post.
We are not presenting facts, we are presenting a theory and we supported this theory with arguments, we have stated why we think this might be what has happened. No one has proof in this hoax, nor do we, but this story does make sense.
What bothers me the most is not the fact that people disagree, but the fact that people say that we are claiming that Mike was some sort of weak person or freak for this. I want you to know that it's not like that. Victims of Mind Control are programmed when they are very little, read the part from the book I posted above. It has nothing to do with him being weak, fragile or weird, it is a crime commited to him that could have had these consequences. He is a victim, like 2 millions others in the USA. We think Mike is actually very STRONG for pulling off this hoax to get the truth out. We think he broke free from them and we are not being disrespectful at all.
What if this did happen to him? Well I don't have words for it, it makes me very sad and VERY angry. But if he broke free, I am very sure he has a plan to expose these people. And for that we have the utmost RESPECT for him.
I am aware of the fact that this theory is not a nice 'popping out of a cake' one, but what if this turns out to be true and people have said things like: "In fact, it's not a very "flatering" theory for MJ to be associated with! controled, DID, raped,etc! DISGUSTING"
Yes it IS disgusting, but Mike is not the one that is disgusting, but the people that did this to him! Think about that.
I would like to know your thoughts on how you think this would not be possible though, because I would love this theory to be completely debunked because I dont like it either. I would rather have proof he had a good childhood without abuse and that he did not have Dissociative Identity Disorder. So if you can debunk, please do so.
I know how plausible this theory is, but as you two said, I keep on praying every single night that somehow it isn't true, as much as hard work as everyone has put into researching it, I hope and pray we are by some miracle proven wrong..
]I would like to ask everyone who is getting frustrated about the MK ultra post and think of it as a far fetched theory to do their research and read the material available on the net. It is very important that you read, understand and analyze the materials available. Watch the videos over and over, read MJ’s lyrics and let them sink in. Believe me I would be happiest to say that I don’t see the relation between MJ’s life and MK ultra programming at all. But unfortunately the signs are all over once you learn understanding them.
Imagining all the horror of MK ultra programming may cause some of you to find it hard to accept, still it would be absurd to hide our heads in the sand and to dismiss the idea. There are way too many people out there claiming they had been victims. Don’t let them down by denial. Please read, analyze and dissect. Even if it sounds beyond our imagination.. we still have to be there for him. I am sure it is what all of you want to do.
LONG LIVE THE KING!
]Thank you Indib and Rabbit for your input! Indeed, the information is all out there, and of course no one wants to believe any of this could be true. Yes, unfortunately the signs are all over, but as long as people simply reject it they will never understand...
Spend some time on researching, put some effort into it. Become aware of the awful things which are going on in this world, become aware of the big picture.
I strongly believe this is a part of Mike's message, it fits perfectly in the fight against a New World Order. Don't let him down just because you can't or won't believe what's really happening, for once make sure his message gets through! He's counting on us...
I completely and totally understand the need for research, and I hope you all (and Michael) don't hate me for this, but, like you, Mo, I don't think I can read any more about the making of an MK slave, I'm sorry..I have cried so much and become so depressed for all the people and especially all the children that have suffered this.. I quickly scanned the first part of the book Souza posted, saw the "Love Bombing" and what was coming next, I scrolled down quickly and caught something about feeding a child blood and I just couldn't read another word. I have a very busy family life, a mother who needs lots of help, and I feel that part of my helping her is maintaining a cheerful attitue because she gets depressed easily, and being cheerful is impossible for me after I read these things, so please understand that I simply cannot take reading any more graphic details on this subject.
Question: Are people disturbed by these DID, Mind Control, Illuminati type of discussions because they shatter and dispel the “I know Michael Jackson” belief held by so many fans?
YES GirlSaturday, I think you just hit the nail on the head!
Thinking they know Mike, emotional barriers, the high horse, just name it...
I think you two are being kind of arrogant here. Look at who we are talking about- the person who has united us all on this board in the first place!! The theory we are researching here contains abosolutely the most horrific, repulsive, evil acts I have ever read about in my entire life being done to this very person- Michael Jackson. I have cried and ached for people and children I don't know the names or even faces of, but to think of it being done to that sweet, wonderful person we all love so much.. I mean, I don't think anyone here believes they know Michael like the back of their hand, like a family member, but we at the very least know him from his music, his speeches, his beliefs. In a tiny way, we know a part of him, and we all love him as if we knew him better. Maybe you two are stronger than some of these people, but I know that for me, I know I have to study this, but I still pray for and look for a way for it not to be true, and I think that is the problem of some other members, too.
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Not being arrogant here, I was giving my point of view to the comment "Are people disturbed by these DID, Mind Control, Illuminati type of discussions because they shatter and dispel the “I know Michael Jackson” belief held by so many fans?".
Over the last 7 months I have been amazed many times by statements from many people who act like they actually know Mike. Those statements have been bothering me a lot. It looks like a lot of people mindmelded with Mike, and it annoys me. That's why I named emotional barrier. I'm glad I don't have that emotional barrier as I'm not a fan and never followed him. Therefor I entered this hoax with an open mind, and am I able to investigate any possibility.
As for the last part of your reply: Thank you PinkTopaz, for your honesty.
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Serenitys_Dream Quote:
* 30-40% of sexual assault victims are abused by a family member.
Non-parental relatives – 35%
Friends and Peers – 15%
Stepfathers – 13%
Biological Fathers – 9%
Other Acquaintances – 9%
Boyfriend/Girlfriend of Biological Parent – 5%
Biological Mother – 5%
I agree.
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I think you two are being kind of arrogant here. Look at who we are talking about- the person who has united us all on this board in the first place!! The theory we are researching here contains abosolutely the most horrific, repulsive, evil acts I have ever read about in my entire life being done to this very person- Michael Jackson. I have cried and ached for people and children I don't know the names or even faces of, but to think of it being done to that sweet, wonderful person we all love so much.. I mean, I don't think anyone here believes they know Michael like the back of their hand, like a family member, but we at the very least know him from his music, his speeches, his beliefs. In a tiny way, we know a part of him, and we all love him as if we knew him better. Maybe you two are stronger than some of these people, but I know that for me, I know I have to study this, but I still pray for and look for a way for it not to be true, and I think that is the problem of some other members, too.PinkTopaz
The comment was directed to me and one other person. I’ll speak for myself. Arrogance? There was no demonstration of superiority or over bearing pride within my question. That is a common definition of arrogance.
The question was posed to ask if people’s discomfort with the subject matter stems from their belief that they know Michael Jackson and how he lives life. Many fans really know Michael or... so they think. When a person(famous or not) is believed to be one way and later is possibly shown to be another way then that is a shocker for those who assumed that they knew the person. Period.
How many times have we seen news stories where someone discusses their surprise to learn the truth about their next-door-neighbor. They often stand in front of the camera declaring that the neighbor was kind, sweet and friendly. Oh by the way ...he was just discovered to be a ruthless drug dealer or some other profile aside from the one that they presumed that neighbor to be. It happens. Our preconceived notions about a person often cloud our perceptions of the person and the manner in which that person lives life.
Unlike you, I have heard about other horrific, repulsive and evil stories. Those acts cause me sadness and make me shed tears. I feel a sense of sadness toward all who suffer. BTW- a celebrity status does not shield a person from unpleasant experiences. Celebrities can experience good and bad just like regular people.
I do not ask “Why did something horrific, repulsive or evil possibly happen to Michael Jackson?” or “How could something horrific, repulsive or evil possibly happen to Michael Jackson”. I ask why and how do horrific, repulsive and evil things happen to any sweet and wonderful people?”
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I think you two are being kind of arrogant here. Look at who we are talking about- the person who has united us all on this board in the first place!! The theory we are researching here contains abosolutely the most horrific, repulsive, evil acts I have ever read about in my entire life being done to this very person- Michael Jackson. I have cried and ached for people and children I don't know the names or even faces of, but to think of it being done to that sweet, wonderful person we all love so much.. I mean, I don't think anyone here believes they know Michael like the back of their hand, like a family member, but we at the very least know him from his music, his speeches, his beliefs. In a tiny way, we know a part of him, and we all love him as if we knew him better. Maybe you two are stronger than some of these people, but I know that for me, I know I have to study this, but I still pray for and look for a way for it not to be true, and I think that is the problem of some other members, too.
I agree with you and see where you are coming from and NOONE wants this to be true, but even as a fan you are still excepting the possiblity, where as others completely dismiss it. I agree mike is a sweet loving person, but so are alot of the other victims and people tend to seperate mike from others like he is not on the same level as them and this could never happen to him, because he is "michael jackson". well entertainers are human also and are subject to the same things are everyone else. doesnt mike want us to see him as human also? i just feel that alot of people will except this is real and happens to others but not mike and thats not fair. im sure that he wants justice for himself and others who have been abused like this
but again good post and i never thought about it as being stronger than others
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It saddens me a little how many people (on this forum alone) are still closing their eyes and ears from some kind of truth that cannot be prooved nor dismissed, because it is existing all around us - and within us.
WE ALL ARE MIND-CONTROLLED: starts at school, by friends, by media, by everyone and everything. The main topics we are programmed with: money - death - sex.
It is done by normal people because they are mind-controlled as well - and this has been going for aeons! No, the lluminati did NOT start with Mr. Weishaupt, it started much much earlier. It is done exceedingly today because THEY run out of control (that's why genocide is one of their main topics an their Agenda, see the books by 'Club of Rome'). And many people (though not all) are on their way to higher consciousness and are thus getting even more out of their control.
The high-tech and very advanced means they are using today are
- subliminals (you'll find subliminals in almost every advertising, movie, music, .....)
(subliminal are not seen, heared or noticed consciously - they go directly to everyone's unconscious)
- harmonics aka 'ether-waves' (messages modulated on any wave - light or sound). The Illuminati programmers/practicioners today use ether-waves technologie to program the victim directly at the RNA of the stem brain - a programming which almost cannot be deprogrammed until today. Cathy O'Brians daughter has been either-wave programmed - no way out.
- microwave (every satellite utilizes microwave!)
- HAARP
- digital pulsed signals (eg. mobile phones)
Ether-waves, microwave and HAARP technolgy has been used in the Gulf War - probably a testing field - by the US Government.
All these programming 'weapons' mentioned above are the commonly used means of today. They only use the abuse proceedures for compartmentallization on children which they want to use special purposes (sex slaves, money-machines - like in music and acting, etc.) and, of course, with their (Illuminati) children. Yes, the Illuminati themselves are programmed/mind-controlled.
In Michael's case: I think one of the latest 'programs' he was fed with is "healing the world" and "2012".
This planet earth is neither broken nor does it need healing!
The climate change is a big, huge lie!
Nothing will happen on Dec. 21, 2012! The Mayan-Tzolkin calender simply reaches its 0 position of all 3 wheels. And then it starts again for another 5000 and something years.
It is not even sure that this date is correctly calculated, because the calender(s) have been mingled with again and again. Could well be that we are really already in 2015 or something today!
The climate change: it has got nothing to do with CO2. By the way, every breathing creature exhales CO2!!! Well, it might be another subliminal - because not many think for themselves and do not come to this conclusion, although we all learnt it a school, haven't we??? A subliminal to say: to heal the world and stop the climate change we need to get rid of most of everything that is exhaling! and also, spaceship earth has reached its equinox and is not running into the sign of Aquarius* (coming out of peaces). The jump of the poles might happen. So why not some changes like climate, temperatures as well. No one has lived so long as to know about the equinoxes every 25.000 years. Earth's magnetism has been changing a lot since at least 15 to 20 years now. (All airport GPS codes had to be aligned, because the were out of wack by about 3 to 10 meters!)
And be aware: many self-acclaimed knowers of the Illuminati and their plans are Illuminati mis-informers! That has always been part of their game.
Wake up friends! See this world as perfect and wonderful as it is and stop giving your energy to what they trigger you to give it to!
In that speech about SONY and Tommy Motola Michael mentions: "and don't trust the history books - its all lies". True! So he must have been aware of many things. But falling back into the "2012" myth just leads me to think they took/triggered him back on "track".
Why would they do this Michael?
- he was a huge money machine (and still is)
- he has immensly huge influence on people around the globe - fans or non-fans, as soon as the "brand" Michael Jackson appears, everyone listens up or reads the story or looks at the screen.
They don't care for people, neither thousands nor one, even if that one is MJ.
"All I wanna say is that they don't really care about us". TRUE!
* When the moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars, then peace will come upon us, and love with still the stars. This is the downing of the angel Aquarius.
Song of the 60s, performed by 5th Dimension - what an interesting name!
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Not being arrogant here, I was giving my point of view to the comment "Are people disturbed by these DID, Mind Control, Illuminati type of discussions because they shatter and dispel the “I know Michael Jackson” belief held by so many fans?".
Over the last 7 months I have been amazed many times by statements from many people who act like they actually know Mike. Those statements have been bothering me a lot. It looks like a lot of people mindmelded with Mike, and it annoys me. That's why I named emotional barrier. I'm glad I don't have that emotional barrier as I'm not a fan and never followed him. Therefor I entered this hoax with an open mind, and am I able to investigate any possibility.As for the last part of your reply: Thank you PinkTopaz, for your honesty.
You're welcome, Mo. As for what I put in bold- I guess you're kind of lucky in this case, then..
I think you two are being kind of arrogant here. Look at who we are talking about- the person who has united us all on this board in the first place!! The theory we are researching here contains abosolutely the most horrific, repulsive, evil acts I have ever read about in my entire life being done to this very person- Michael Jackson. I have cried and ached for people and children I don't know the names or even faces of, but to think of it being done to that sweet, wonderful person we all love so much.. I mean, I don't think anyone here believes they know Michael like the back of their hand, like a family member, but we at the very least know him from his music, his speeches, his beliefs. In a tiny way, we know a part of him, and we all love him as if we knew him better. Maybe you two are stronger than some of these people, but I know that for me, I know I have to study this, but I still pray for and look for a way for it not to be true, and I think that is the problem of some other members, too.PinkTopaz
The comment was directed to me and one other person. I’ll speak for myself. Arrogance? There was no demonstration of superiority or over bearing pride within my question. That is a common definition of arrogance.
The question was posed to ask if people’s discomfort with the subject matter stems from their belief that they know Michael Jackson and how he lives life. Many fans really know Michael or... so they think. When a person(famous or not) is believed to be one way and later is possibly shown to be another way then that is a shocker for those who assumed that they knew the person. Period.
How many times have we seen news stories where someone discusses their surprise to learn the truth about their next-door-neighbor. They often stand in front of the camera declaring that the neighbor was kind, sweet and friendly. Oh by the way ...he was just discovered to be a ruthless drug dealer or some other profile aside from the one that they presumed that neighbor to be. It happens. Our preconceived notions about a person often cloud our perceptions of the person and the manner in which that person lives life.
Unlike you, I have heard about other horrific, repulsive and evil stories. Those acts cause me sadness and make me shed tears. I feel a sense of sadness toward all who suffer. BTW- a celebrity status does not shield a person from unpleasant experiences. Celebrities can experience good and bad just like regular people.
Who said I have never heard other stories like that? I never said I thought Michael and other stars were immune to suffering, I hope you don't think I am that stupid. I, too, feel bad and cry for those who suffer- you are making it appear as if only you are sensitive to others' pain and I am some kind of cold person. Didn't I just get through saying how badly upset these stories make me, how I've cried especially for these child slaves? I don't mean to yell at you, I'm just being clear.
I do not ask “Why did something horrific, repulsive or evil possibly happen to Michael Jackson?” or “How could something horrific, repulsive or evil possibly happen to Michael Jackson”. I ask why and how do horrific, repulsive and evil things happen to any sweet and wonderful people?”
I do not ask those things, either! I hope you understand that my intention is to answer the very same questions you seek to answer.
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I think you two are being kind of arrogant here. Look at who we are talking about- the person who has united us all on this board in the first place!! The theory we are researching here contains abosolutely the most horrific, repulsive, evil acts I have ever read about in my entire life being done to this very person- Michael Jackson. I have cried and ached for people and children I don't know the names or even faces of, but to think of it being done to that sweet, wonderful person we all love so much.. I mean, I don't think anyone here believes they know Michael like the back of their hand, like a family member, but we at the very least know him from his music, his speeches, his beliefs. In a tiny way, we know a part of him, and we all love him as if we knew him better. Maybe you two are stronger than some of these people, but I know that for me, I know I have to study this, but I still pray for and look for a way for it not to be true, and I think that is the problem of some other members, too.
I agree with you and see where you are coming from and NOONE wants this to be true, but even as a fan you are still excepting the possiblity, where as others completely dismiss it. I agree mike is a sweet loving person, but so are alot of the other victims and people tend to seperate mike from others like he is not on the same level as them and this could never happen to him, because he is "michael jackson". well entertainers are human also and are subject to the same things are everyone else. doesnt mike want us to see him as human also? i just feel that alot of people will except this is real and happens to others but not mike and thats not fair. im sure that he wants justice for himself and others who have been abused like this
but again good post and i never thought about it as being stronger than others
I see what you mean about other fans seeing it that way and that is something that frustrates me about so many people around him- why can't they just remember that he is human, too? He wants to be loved just as we all do.. Good thing there are so many who do just that for him!
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@PinkTopaz
I hope you don't think I am that stupid.
No one on a hoax forum is stupid. Their presence and sheer determination to read between the lines and reveal information that is concealed demonstrates that. I do not place negative labels such as that onto others. Likewise I do not use adjectives such as arrogant toward them either.
Who said I have never heard other stories like that
The theory we are researching here contains absolutely the most horrific, repulsive, evil acts I have ever read about in my entire life being done to this very person- Michael Jackson
The underlined portion of the statement could mislead a reader to believe that the acts described within the thread represent the first time that you have learned of such acts in your entire life. If I misinterpreted that portion of the statement then I retract my comment.
I don't mean to yell at you, I'm just being clear.
Thank you. Yelling stems from raised emotions. Raised emotions block effective communication. Whether people agree, disagree or simply agree to disagree yelling has no place in communication.
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@PinkTopaz
I hope you don't think I am that stupid.
No one on a hoax forum is stupid. Their presence and sheer determination to read between the lines and reveal information that is concealed demonstrates that. I do not place negative labels such as that onto others. Likewise I do not use adjectives such as arrogant toward them either.
Who said I have never heard other stories like that
The theory we are researching here contains absolutely the most horrific, repulsive, evil acts I have ever read about in my entire life being done to this very person- Michael Jackson
The underlined portion of the statement could mislead a reader to believe that the acts described within the thread represent the first time that you have learned of such acts in your entire life. If I misinterpreted that portion of the statement then I retract my comment.
I don't mean to yell at you, I'm just being clear.
Thank you. Yelling stems from raised emotions. Raised emotions block effective communication. Whether people agree, disagree or simply agree to disagree yelling has no place in communication.
I suppose what I meant is that I have never read anything quite like this before in that the whole process is so meticulous and intricate, taking up a child's entire life with completely unnecessary suffering.. I mean, it just struck me as different from say, a genocide..
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I would like to know your thoughts on how you think this would not be possible though, because I would love this theory to be completely debunked because I dont like it either. I would rather have proof he had a good childhood without abuse and that he did not have Dissociative Identity Disorder. So if you can debunk, please do so.
Souza, I have some points written in my PC's hard drive for about two weeks, but been hesitating to post them, because this is quite a huge topic and it will require lots of reading, researching, and analyzing. Possibly mind control does exist, but I don't know if it is as horrible as it is explained in your posts. With all due respect, after much thought, and because you have asked to post what others believe, I will post what I wrote. Of course, this is not meant to debunk your theory, because so far none of the comments I have read have absolute proof if MJ has been or hasn't been under mind control or Illuminati control. Our comments have been based only in theories and personal opinions. Maybe my thoughts will change later on, but for now I still stand on what I have written. It's a long post, but here goes...
I've read this theory a few times already. I do believe the Illuminati existed. I don’t believe that they are still an organized group, using Hollywood to take over the world. There is no concrete proof that this is a real organization that still meet up at a certain place. The Illuminati was disbanded by the end of the 18th century. Some say it is a secret society, yet it is spread all over the internet, books, movies… What I do believe is that there are power and money hungry individuals who would do anything for money. Yes, the real master behind this all is greed for money and power.
I believe MJ was sadly controlled as a child, yes, but by his own father. Joe wasn't successful at being a musician himself. But, he did whatever it took to make the boys successful. MJ was physically and mentally hurt by his dad. He had to do things perfectly, or he would beat little MJ. Michael lost his childhood because he had to make his frustrated father famous and millionaire.
Though I've seen Mo and Souza have done quite some research to prove their point, I have to ask what is the purpose of subjecting little MJ into MK-Ultra? What did they want from him? As far as I’m concerned, MK- Ultra, MK-NAOMI, and MK-Delta projects' purpose was to interrogate resistant subjects. They would drug them to extract information during world conflicts. Yes, I've read it was used in the entertainment industry, but again what would be the purpose? To spread an evil message? Anyone with no regards would do that for money.
Some of the points our Admins include in their theory are right on the money, but some can be debatable. Known effects of these MK projects were: illogical thinking, amnesia, shock, confusion, poor ambition and working efficiency, distortion of eye sight and hearing, among others. I've searched, but cant find out if these effects lasted only during the mind controlling session. In my opinion, these effects could last for quite a while. How could MJ dance, sing and remember the lyrics for his songs?
The images that were used in TII, may have another meaning. At least some of them do. The trees, flowers and butterflies may represent the beauty of our nature in Earth song, which is being destroyed by us. He wants to remind us how beautiful our Earth is...don't destroy it.
Ancient symbols and letters...they represent the different religions and beliefs. We are the world, we are the children. We all should be united as one?
Spider webs, aliens, monsters, snakes, demons, robots ...all part of a show, his performance, doesn't necessarily have a mystical nature.
The sunglasses...have you heard of uveitis? It sometimes occur with vitiligo, and it is also related to stress. Symptoms of uveitis may include: eye redness, blurred vision, and increased sensitivity to light. Enough reasons to wear sunglasses the whole time. Another reason could be…he just liked the sunglasses. They make him look good, btw.
I don’t know whether MJ’s vitiligo was triggered by any medication, but I know stress did trigger it. According to Dr. Deepak Chopra, one of MJ’s friends, there has been research that suggests that if children have experienced physical, verbal, mental, emotional, or sexual abuse, they can develop autoimmune disorders, like vitiligo and lupus, in their adulthood. He said that MJ was never sexually abused, but he was traumatized verbally and physically in his childhood.
http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm)
http://www.medicinenet.com/uveitis/article.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/uveitis/article.htm)
http://spotlight.vitals.com/2009/07/dr- ... -vitiligo/ (http://spotlight.vitals.com/2009/07/dr-deepak-chopra-michael-jackson-suffered-from-lupus-and-vitiligo/)
I have other thoughts on why he couldn’t be mind-controlled. Lets see how can I organize my thoughts…. In 1982, Thriller recordings begin, but MJ has been quite a while practicing his dance moves. QJ and MJ’s relationship begins to strain. The album is not gonna be a hit like Off The Wall, Michael. I think Billie Jean doesn’t fit in the album, says QJ. MJ disagrees, and QJ says it wouldn’t sell, but stubborn Michael Jackson THREATENS to cancel the album’s release, if he didn’t include Billie Jean. Does this seem like someone who would be easily controlled? Not likely.
MJ was always aware of social issues such as racism. Have you heard the lyrics of “Can you feel it”? Well this is why I believe The Black Panther Party is another debatable subject. Maybe he did join, but was it because he wanted to fight or expose mind-controlling? Michael breaks loose from his controllers and is able to fight with the panthers according to Mo and Souza's theory. Who were his controllers? Berry Gordy controlled the Jackson’s career until the break down in 1976. So he was fighting against his own brothers? The purpose of the Black Panthers was to fight for black people's rights. I don’t know what roles did Berry Gordy and Quincy Jones played in MJ’s career during these eras, besides producing music for the J5 and MJ. (Someone please enlighten me on this, since I’m not very aware of how album productions work. Aren’t the company and producers the same?) Please read this article about MJ’s relationship with BG.
http://detnews.com/article/20090627/ENT ... -to-Motown (http://detnews.com/article/20090627/ENT04/906270329/1424/Michael-Jackson-forever-tied-to-Motown)
About MJ having alter egos…I wouldn’t even dare to go there, as I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist. Actually I’ve read that some professionals continue to be of the opinion that Dissociative Identity Disorder does not exist. This skepticism is sometimes due to questions about why many more individuals who have endured the stress of terrible abuse as young children do not develop the disorder, why more children are not diagnosed as having DID, and why some DID sufferers have no history of tremendous trauma.
http://www.medicinenet.com/dissociative ... rticle.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/dissociative_identity_disorder/article.htm)
My opinion is that if, and that’s a big IF, MJ did have a “split personality” , that would be little MJ and MJ the man, the artist, the businessman, the father… He had his flaws like we all do. Do we behave the same way everywhere? Or with different groups? I work with children, and believe me, my attitude, approach and behavior is different compared to the one I have when I’m among adults. The same goes when I’m among the elderly or when I’m with my friends…I behave differently. Does this imply that I have a split personality? Maybe I do…hehe.
Little MJ - wanted to compensate the childhood he had lost. He worked so hard to fulfill Joe’s wishes of becoming famous …
In my opinion…Susie doesn’t exist, and if she does, the proofs we have are subjective.
A man wearing make up? Did you know it was quite cool to wear it during the 80’s? Especially the heavy eyeliner. Michael used it also to cover his scars and vitiligo. But he wore false eyelashes? People with vitiligo may have premature graying of the scalp hair, eyelashes, eyebrows, and beard. This should explain the tattoos on eyebrows and the thick mascara. He wore lipstick and eyeshadow sometimes, true, but well, guess he needs it after a thick layer of foundation.
http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm)
Female double in TII - no proof, just speculation…
Disguised as blond lady - no proof really, just our thoughts
High voice - trademark ( he sold a lot music with it, didn’t he?)
Wearing women’s clothes - this is the one thing I couldn’t explain, and besides the tight pants, I seriously wouldn’t have noticed if someone else had not pointed it out. He wore a men’s suit coat with it in some occasions.
If MJ was a victim of mind control…I don’t know, for sure, as I said above, I am guessing he wasn’t. I believe he is a victim of his dad’s frustration, and (I hate saying this) a victim of his own success. His money and his catalogue are magnets for leeches and fame-crawlers. Maybe he was guilty of trusting these leeches too fast.
Michael fought, yes, against racism, war, pollution through his songs. He also exposed someone in 2002. "The record companies really do conspire against the artists, especially the black artists.“ Remember those words? He has been fighting against something we cant see. Greed, lies and lust for power. All I wanna say is that they don’t really care about us…He’s trying to open our eyes…Do not rely on your government. Remember President Ronald Reagan’s famous words…“Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem.” MJ also said don’t wait for the government for a solution. He did his job, and here we are exploring every single word he said.
So now, Illuminati or no Illuminati, what we have to do is spread the LOVE, and fight for our children and for a better tomorrow, not because MJ says it, but because it is our duty. Oh and let’s figure out this hoax!
PS - I’m in no way saying Mo and Souza’s theory isn’t plausible. Just saying that the clues they present as signs of mind control may have a different meaning when applied to MJ.
Edit** And then again, my thoughts can all be just my desire to believe that MJ didnt go through all this, because I cant endure the pain, but if he did he has all my love, and all my respect. Blessings.
Wow, I think you did a great job thinking of this and brought up some great points.
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Ok here u pple go again misunderstanding me! The lady claims during the early Jackson 5 days they got raped right before performing......cmon Mike was wat 10 11 12 do u really think he got raped then right away go on stage and performing the way he did....he was a lil dynomite on stage u would think that young and smallbu would b able to see it....i never said he could not get over it laters years READ MY WHOLE FUCKING COMMENT NEXT TIME......maybe he did, which I highly doubt, but if so then thas sumin idk who can function that well just after getting raped...thas my fucking point so before yall attck me. And call me stupid read my fucking comments and stop kissing Sousa ans mo's ass....u dnt have to agree with everything they say an im not even trying to b disrespectful but pple calling ne dumb without even doing their own research r low minded and fucking retarded b.c I believe in my own beliefs and not sum1 elses......I standby what I believe in until proven otherwise WITH FACTS.....with that being said if ur gonna ban for expressing my opinion then so be it but to all u who dnt wana think for urselves go suck it.......to mo and souza I'm not mad about the thread b.c we each have a mind of our own and choose wat to believe and have our own opinions...I am however mad at the fact that u and other pple r bashing and trying to bring dwn my opinion based on a theory thas not even proven as fact.....and with that being said i think this will b my final posting on this topic nd idc yall cus bash it all y'all want cuz ill stick to my belief.....
Nd u to m w.e ur name is who quoted me on his heart how about u go back and read my dann comment before u reply.......I said since MJ as y'all claim was under mind control everything he did wasnt him....his music his heart...that it was him who touched others Hearts but the pple who control him....thas wat I fucking sais so get it straight....and as ive stated 1000 times......I do have a open mind about the illuminati in general(u dnt have to conncet MJ with the illuminati to have an open mind about them).........I'm done here
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I would like to know your thoughts on how you think this would not be possible though, because I would love this theory to be completely debunked because I dont like it either. I would rather have proof he had a good childhood without abuse and that he did not have Dissociative Identity Disorder. So if you can debunk, please do so.
Souza, I have some points written in my PC's hard drive for about two weeks, but been hesitating to post them, because this is quite a huge topic and it will require lots of reading, researching, and analyzing. Possibly mind control does exist, but I don't know if it is as horrible as it is explained in your posts. With all due respect, after much thought, and because you have asked to post what others believe, I will post what I wrote. Of course, this is not meant to debunk your theory, because so far none of the comments I have read have absolute proof if MJ has been or hasn't been under mind control or Illuminati control. Our comments have been based only in theories and personal opinions. Maybe my thoughts will change later on, but for now I still stand on what I have written. It's a long post, but here goes...
I've read this theory a few times already. I do believe the Illuminati existed. I don’t believe that they are still an organized group, using Hollywood to take over the world. There is no concrete proof that this is a real organization that still meet up at a certain place. The Illuminati was disbanded by the end of the 18th century. Some say it is a secret society, yet it is spread all over the internet, books, movies… What I do believe is that there are power and money hungry individuals who would do anything for money. Yes, the real master behind this all is greed for money and power.
I believe MJ was sadly controlled as a child, yes, but by his own father. Joe wasn't successful at being a musician himself. But, he did whatever it took to make the boys successful. MJ was physically and mentally hurt by his dad. He had to do things perfectly, or he would beat little MJ. Michael lost his childhood because he had to make his frustrated father famous and millionaire.
Though I've seen Mo and Souza have done quite some research to prove their point, I have to ask what is the purpose of subjecting little MJ into MK-Ultra? What did they want from him? As far as I’m concerned, MK- Ultra, MK-NAOMI, and MK-Delta projects' purpose was to interrogate resistant subjects. They would drug them to extract information during world conflicts. Yes, I've read it was used in the entertainment industry, but again what would be the purpose? To spread an evil message? Anyone with no regards would do that for money.
Some of the points our Admins include in their theory are right on the money, but some can be debatable. Known effects of these MK projects were: illogical thinking, amnesia, shock, confusion, poor ambition and working efficiency, distortion of eye sight and hearing, among others. I've searched, but cant find out if these effects lasted only during the mind controlling session. In my opinion, these effects could last for quite a while. How could MJ dance, sing and remember the lyrics for his songs?
The images that were used in TII, may have another meaning. At least some of them do. The trees, flowers and butterflies may represent the beauty of our nature in Earth song, which is being destroyed by us. He wants to remind us how beautiful our Earth is...don't destroy it.
Ancient symbols and letters...they represent the different religions and beliefs. We are the world, we are the children. We all should be united as one?
Spider webs, aliens, monsters, snakes, demons, robots ...all part of a show, his performance, doesn't necessarily have a mystical nature.
The sunglasses...have you heard of uveitis? It sometimes occur with vitiligo, and it is also related to stress. Symptoms of uveitis may include: eye redness, blurred vision, and increased sensitivity to light. Enough reasons to wear sunglasses the whole time. Another reason could be…he just liked the sunglasses. They make him look good, btw.
I don’t know whether MJ’s vitiligo was triggered by any medication, but I know stress did trigger it. According to Dr. Deepak Chopra, one of MJ’s friends, there has been research that suggests that if children have experienced physical, verbal, mental, emotional, or sexual abuse, they can develop autoimmune disorders, like vitiligo and lupus, in their adulthood. He said that MJ was never sexually abused, but he was traumatized verbally and physically in his childhood.
http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm)
http://www.medicinenet.com/uveitis/article.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/uveitis/article.htm)
http://spotlight.vitals.com/2009/07/dr- ... -vitiligo/ (http://spotlight.vitals.com/2009/07/dr-deepak-chopra-michael-jackson-suffered-from-lupus-and-vitiligo/)
I have other thoughts on why he couldn’t be mind-controlled. Lets see how can I organize my thoughts…. In 1982, Thriller recordings begin, but MJ has been quite a while practicing his dance moves. QJ and MJ’s relationship begins to strain. The album is not gonna be a hit like Off The Wall, Michael. I think Billie Jean doesn’t fit in the album, says QJ. MJ disagrees, and QJ says it wouldn’t sell, but stubborn Michael Jackson THREATENS to cancel the album’s release, if he didn’t include Billie Jean. Does this seem like someone who would be easily controlled? Not likely.
MJ was always aware of social issues such as racism. Have you heard the lyrics of “Can you feel it”? Well this is why I believe The Black Panther Party is another debatable subject. Maybe he did join, but was it because he wanted to fight or expose mind-controlling? Michael breaks loose from his controllers and is able to fight with the panthers according to Mo and Souza's theory. Who were his controllers? Berry Gordy controlled the Jackson’s career until the break down in 1976. So he was fighting against his own brothers? The purpose of the Black Panthers was to fight for black people's rights. I don’t know what roles did Berry Gordy and Quincy Jones played in MJ’s career during these eras, besides producing music for the J5 and MJ. (Someone please enlighten me on this, since I’m not very aware of how album productions work. Aren’t the company and producers the same?) Please read this article about MJ’s relationship with BG.
http://detnews.com/article/20090627/ENT ... -to-Motown (http://detnews.com/article/20090627/ENT04/906270329/1424/Michael-Jackson-forever-tied-to-Motown)
About MJ having alter egos…I wouldn’t even dare to go there, as I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist. Actually I’ve read that some professionals continue to be of the opinion that Dissociative Identity Disorder does not exist. This skepticism is sometimes due to questions about why many more individuals who have endured the stress of terrible abuse as young children do not develop the disorder, why more children are not diagnosed as having DID, and why some DID sufferers have no history of tremendous trauma.
http://www.medicinenet.com/dissociative ... rticle.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/dissociative_identity_disorder/article.htm)
My opinion is that if, and that’s a big IF, MJ did have a “split personality” , that would be little MJ and MJ the man, the artist, the businessman, the father… He had his flaws like we all do. Do we behave the same way everywhere? Or with different groups? I work with children, and believe me, my attitude, approach and behavior is different compared to the one I have when I’m among adults. The same goes when I’m among the elderly or when I’m with my friends…I behave differently. Does this imply that I have a split personality? Maybe I do…hehe.
Little MJ - wanted to compensate the childhood he had lost. He worked so hard to fulfill Joe’s wishes of becoming famous …
In my opinion…Susie doesn’t exist, and if she does, the proofs we have are subjective.
A man wearing make up? Did you know it was quite cool to wear it during the 80’s? Especially the heavy eyeliner. Michael used it also to cover his scars and vitiligo. But he wore false eyelashes? People with vitiligo may have premature graying of the scalp hair, eyelashes, eyebrows, and beard. This should explain the tattoos on eyebrows and the thick mascara. He wore lipstick and eyeshadow sometimes, true, but well, guess he needs it after a thick layer of foundation.
http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm (http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page2.htm)
Female double in TII - no proof, just speculation…
Disguised as blond lady - no proof really, just our thoughts
High voice - trademark ( he sold a lot music with it, didn’t he?)
Wearing women’s clothes - this is the one thing I couldn’t explain, and besides the tight pants, I seriously wouldn’t have noticed if someone else had not pointed it out. He wore a men’s suit coat with it in some occasions.
If MJ was a victim of mind control…I don’t know, for sure, as I said above, I am guessing he wasn’t. I believe he is a victim of his dad’s frustration, and (I hate saying this) a victim of his own success. His money and his catalogue are magnets for leeches and fame-crawlers. Maybe he was guilty of trusting these leeches too fast.
Michael fought, yes, against racism, war, pollution through his songs. He also exposed someone in 2002. "The record companies really do conspire against the artists, especially the black artists.“ Remember those words? He has been fighting against something we cant see. Greed, lies and lust for power. All I wanna say is that they don’t really care about us…He’s trying to open our eyes…Do not rely on your government. Remember President Ronald Reagan’s famous words…“Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem.” MJ also said don’t wait for the government for a solution. He did his job, and here we are exploring every single word he said.
So now, Illuminati or no Illuminati, what we have to do is spread the LOVE, and fight for our children and for a better tomorrow, not because MJ says it, but because it is our duty. Oh and let’s figure out this hoax!
PS - I’m in no way saying Mo and Souza’s theory isn’t plausible. Just saying that the clues they present as signs of mind control may have a different meaning when applied to MJ.
Edit** And then again, my thoughts can all be just my desire to believe that MJ didnt go through all this, because I cant endure the pain, but if he did he has all my love, and all my respect. Blessings.
Excellent....and with this being posted i feel no need to argue or post anymore
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Ok here u pple go again misunderstanding me! The lady claims during the early Jackson 5 days they got raped right before performing......cmon Mike was wat 10 11 12 do u really think he got raped then right away go on stage and performing the way he did....he was a lil dynomite on stage u would think that young and smallbu would b able to see it....i never said he could not get over it laters years READ MY WHOLE FUCKING COMMENT NEXT TIME......maybe he did, which I highly doubt, but if so then thas sumin idk who can function that well just after getting raped...thas my fucking point so before yall attck me. And call me stupid read my fucking comments and stop kissing Sousa ans mo's ass....u dnt have to agree with everything they say an im not even trying to b disrespectful but pple calling ne dumb without even doing their own research r low minded and fucking retarded b.c I believe in my own beliefs and not sum1 elses......I standby what I believe in until proven otherwise WITH FACTS.....with that being said if ur gonna ban for expressing my opinion then so be it but to all u who dnt wana think for urselves go suck it.......to mo and souza I'm not mad about the thread b.c we each have a mind of our own and choose wat to believe and have our own opinions...I am however mad at the fact that u and other pple r bashing and trying to bring dwn my opinion based on a theory thas not even proven as fact.....and with that being said i think this will b my final posting on this topic nd idc yall cus bash it all y'all want cuz ill stick to my belief.....
Nd u to m w.e ur name is who quoted me on his heart how about u go back and read my dann comment before u reply.......I said since MJ as y'all claim was under mind control everything he did wasnt him....his music his heart...that it was him who touched others Hearts but the pple who control him....thas wat I fucking sais so get it straight....and as ive stated 1000 times......I do have a open mind about the illuminati in general(u dnt have to conncet MJ with the illuminati to have an open mind about them).........I'm done here
1( watch you tone when you address people! :roll:
Thank u Arianna! And for the record no i dnt know Mike personality but his heart and his personality and his lyrics is where I get my belief from...ive never stated facts ive stated by beliefs and never said Mike didnt or dont I said I dnt believe or think mike....so dnt say i think I KNOW mike cuz honestly none of us here do!! I base my beliefs on what is presented to me thru MICHAEL HIMSELF...nd wat I c is a Strong Smart Amazing human being who had no childhood nd who every1 wanted a piece of at the age of 11 and as got older he was faced with adolescence, racism, money, power and every1 just wanted him but couldnt have him so wat happens "he's gay, he don't wanna b black, he's a freak, he's weird" but yet he still came out on top! I dnt think a child who has been raped would able to function the way he did and then never speak of it? I'm srry but i just dnt buy that ladys story....and thas my BELIEF AND OPINION.........Thanks again Arianna
where in this post did you meantion what that other lady said :roll: :roll: :roll:
so explain to me how ANYONE was going to know that you were being were speaking of a SPECIFIC incident that was meanting many post before this one??????????? :roll:
so before you come in here dropping F-bombs and claiming no one read you post how about you read your own fucking post and make some sense!!!! there is no way anyone was going to connect that statement to that article....
2( who said that any one of the people who replied to you have not done any research? i cant speak for others but trust me i have read and watched plenty on the topic and like other heard about this long before the blog, souza and mo ARE NOT THE FIRST PEOPLE TO STATE THIS ABOUT MIKE and they are not the only ones either :roll: and if you did your own reseach you would know that
3( :lol: @ you calling someone retarded? and telling people to go suck it..how mature are you? and who says we dont think for our selfs? just because someone agrees to something that you dont we are "followers" to souza and mo and because YOU disagree,without any evidence, we are "retarded" :roll:
4( you keep saying this is not a fact...duh..hints the term theory, when you have a theory you support that theory with evidence as presented...UNTIL it has been debunked it not a FACT NOR IS IT FICTION
5(honestly, i could careless what you believe and dont believe BUT if your going to not believe have evidence to support why, not just because you said so and you feel cool by calling people "retards"
6(If you want people to stop misunderstanding you gather your thoughts and post them in a CLEAR,LEGIBLE AND COMPLETE post instead of jumping from one subject to the next and expecting everyone to know what you mean :lol:
7( and i hope this is your last post because your post are useless, your negative and the name calling is uncalled for, the person said what you said was stupid,and it was in the context in which it was presented, not you and yet you felt bashed, but its ok for you to use foul language towards us,call us names and for us to "suck it"?
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Ok here u pple go again misunderstanding me! The lady claims during the early Jackson 5 days they got raped right before performing......cmon Mike was wat 10 11 12 do u really think he got raped then right away go on stage and performing the way he did....he was a lil dynomite on stage u would think that young and smallbu would b able to see it....i never said he could not get over it laters years READ MY WHOLE FUCKING COMMENT NEXT TIME......maybe he did, which I highly doubt, but if so then thas sumin idk who can function that well just after getting raped...thas my fucking point so before yall attck me. And call me stupid read my fucking comments and stop kissing Sousa ans mo's ass....u dnt have to agree with everything they say an im not even trying to b disrespectful but pple calling ne dumb without even doing their own research r low minded and fucking retarded b.c I believe in my own beliefs and not sum1 elses......I standby what I believe in until proven otherwise WITH FACTS.....with that being said if ur gonna ban for expressing my opinion then so be it but to all u who dnt wana think for urselves go suck it.......to mo and souza I'm not mad about the thread b.c we each have a mind of our own and choose wat to believe and have our own opinions...I am however mad at the fact that u and other pple r bashing and trying to bring dwn my opinion based on a theory thas not even proven as fact.....and with that being said i think this will b my final posting on this topic nd idc yall cus bash it all y'all want cuz ill stick to my belief.....
Nd u to m w.e ur name is who quoted me on his heart how about u go back and read my dann comment before u reply.......I said since MJ as y'all claim was under mind control everything he did wasnt him....his music his heart...that it was him who touched others Hearts but the pple who control him....thas wat I fucking sais so get it straight....and as ive stated 1000 times......I do have a open mind about the illuminati in general(u dnt have to conncet MJ with the illuminati to have an open mind about them).........I'm done here
1( watch you tone when you address people! :roll:
Thank u Arianna! And for the record no i dnt know Mike personality but his heart and his personality and his lyrics is where I get my belief from...ive never stated facts ive stated by beliefs and never said Mike didnt or dont I said I dnt believe or think mike....so dnt say i think I KNOW mike cuz honestly none of us here do!! I base my beliefs on what is presented to me thru MICHAEL HIMSELF...nd wat I c is a Strong Smart Amazing human being who had no childhood nd who every1 wanted a piece of at the age of 11 and as got older he was faced with adolescence, racism, money, power and every1 just wanted him but couldnt have him so wat happens "he's gay, he don't wanna b black, he's a freak, he's weird" but yet he still came out on top! I dnt think a child who has been raped would able to function the way he did and then never speak of it? I'm srry but i just dnt buy that ladys story....and thas my BELIEF AND OPINION.........Thanks again Arianna
where in this post did you meantion what that other lady said :roll: :roll: :roll:
so explain to me how ANYONE was going to know that you were being were speaking of a SPECIFIC incident that was meanting many post before this one??????????? :roll:
so before you come in here dropping F-bombs and claiming no one read you post how about you read your own fucking post and make some sense!!!! there is no way anyone was going to connect that statement to that article....
2( who said that any one of the people who replied to you have not done any research? i cant speak for others but trust me i have read and watched plenty on the topic and like other heard about this long before the blog, souza and mo ARE NOT THE FIRST PEOPLE TO STATE THIS ABOUT MIKE and they are not the only ones either :roll: and if you did your own reseach you would know that
3( :lol: @ you calling someone retarded? and telling people to go suck it..how mature are you? and who says we dont think for our selfs? just because someone agrees to something that you dont we are "followers" to souza and mo and because YOU disagree,without any evidence, we are "retarded" :roll:
4( you keep saying this is not a fact...duh..hints the term theory, when you have a theory you support that theory with evidence as presented...UNTIL it has been debunked it not a FACT NOR IS IT FICTION
5(honestly, i could careless what you believe and dont believe BUT if your going to not believe have evidence to support why, not just because you said so and you feel cool by calling people "retards"
6(If you want people to stop misunderstanding you gather your thoughts and post them in a CLEAR,LEGIBLE AND COMPLETE post instead of jumping from one subject to the next and expecting everyone to know what you mean :lol:
7( and i hope this is your last post because your post are useless, your negative and the name calling is uncalled for, the person said what you said was stupid,and it was in the context in which it was presented, not you and yet you felt bashed, but its ok for you to use foul language towards us,call us names and for us to "suck it"?
Awwwww by trying to bring me down make u feel important?? Its ok If u dnt have a mind of ur own, it'll get better.....and u said I never mentioned the lady trying reading my post again sweety....double feel cool now because u jumped on the ban wagon of pple who attack 1 person?? And I dnt have to wath myvtone ima grown ass woman and can say wat the fuck i please......but I like how u tell me to watch my tone but yet u go and follow my footsteps I'm glad I had an impact on u...r u done attackin me now?? And thank u for that comment my post r uselwss....well wen u stop kissing ass and state ur own belief with ur opinions and research then come and say my comments r useless...until then y r u even here oh i know to bring pple dwn to make urself feel good..get a life mama....
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Thank u Arianna! And for the record no i dnt know Mike personality but his heart and his personality and his lyrics is where I get my belief from...ive never stated facts ive stated by beliefs and never said Mike didnt or dont I said I dnt believe or think mike....so dnt say i think I KNOW mike cuz honestly none of us here do!! I base my beliefs on what is presented to me thru MICHAEL HIMSELF...nd wat I c is a Strong Smart Amazing human being who had no childhood nd who every1 wanted a piece of at the age of 11 and as got older he was faced with adolescence, racism, money, power and every1 just wanted him but couldnt have him so wat happens "he's gay, he don't wanna b black, he's a freak, he's weird" but yet he still came out on top! I dnt think a child who has been raped would able to function the way he did and then never speak of it? I'm srry but i just dnt buy that ladys story....and thas my BELIEF AND OPINION.........Thanks again Arianna
this is the last comment you had when you made the "rape comment" and where did you meantion the comment brice taylor made about J5 being raped before the bob hope show?????????????
AGAIN how was anyone going to know that the comment you made IN THIS POST was in reference to something you stating in ANOTHER post!!?!!
and yes you comments are useless because you cant even comprehend how or why people were upset by your failure to make it clear what you were talking about
without the connection of that story to your comment it sounds like something else..and how is that our fault?
and its funny your saying im following other people in "bashing" you when i was the first person to comment on your statement :roll:
and you keep saying im kissing ass, umm i came to the conclusion that this probaly happend to them on my own,looking into MK-Ulta MYSELF and comparing, please check my post I ALWAYS SAY HOW I FEEL and have my own opinion, i do have my own mind, trust that and if you were to follow my post, you would have seen I stated my opinions repeatedly :roll:
again my problem with you was not that you disagreed with the "theory" :roll: again i could care less it, was the rape statement that bothered me..AND AGAIN in the context that you stated it does not make sense...but i guess you still dont get it :roll: and thats why your comments are useless :roll:
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I dnt think a child who has been raped would able to function the way he did and then never speak of it?
this was your statement in the post....
in this statement you are stating: children who have been raped would not be able to function, normally, and never speak on it
you never stated how they would not be able to function or who wouldnt be able to function
I dont think a child, who has been raped before doing a concert, would be able to function the way he did on stage
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i dont think mike would have been able to perform like he did if he were raped before a show
both statement are not as broad as the one you made,although its stating the same thing that you were trying to say, do you see how what you actually said was misleading???
if you would have referenced, a concert or performance or used some other verabage NO ONE WOULD HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID!!!!
now do you get why people were upset with the comment?
and by the way I dont think brices story was true, because she stated mike was 5 and we know he was older than that before he would have been on tv, although bob hope is a sick man
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Ok, no problem I did not state that an on that parti am sorry.......however that gave YOU no right to call my comments useless and w.e b.c every1 is entitled to their own opinions!!!! And sry I didnt make myself clear b.c I am working from a cell phone and not a computer thas y im trying to limit things and I really didnt want to post here anymore.....so I do apologize for that my comment was totally tooken the rong way wat I meant was how can a child perform the way he did right after getting raped.....nd I thought pple would get my tezt b.c ive stated child but fine, I'll take that....i needed to word the comment a lil more.....and I do apologize also for the cursing and everything b.c thats really not me..I was just angry that pple were trying to be-little me and make me feel stupid and not letting me express my opinion.....I want to beak my whole opinion down but I can't b.c im working thru my fone so I had to give a summery and was Rushing....which is y its so crammed n jumping from subject to subject n many mistakes but its w.e.. I guess im just not gonna post on this forum anymore seeing that i cant express my opinion w.o getting bashed...I'll post on a more friendly forum..so take it or leave I'm just done with the drama and arguing b.c thas really not me and wat im here for.......
P.s mjthelengend......thank u for your wonderful pm...ive been trying to send one bac to U but I dnt think it went thru....im not on a computer so its hard from my fone...but I just want to thank u it really meant something special to me....Thank u so much :-)....u know they say great minds think alike ;-)
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again no one has a problem with your opinions, and no one was "bashing" you because you disagree, its was how you made that last statement that had everyone upset, as you can why
this is a fourm and EVERYONE is entitled to there own opinion and its actually silly to leave based on a misunderstanding
i also sometimes post from my phone and yes it is hard to quote people ect so i actually do understand
and i called your post "useless" because it wasnt making sense, you were angry calling us names when if you would have just stated what you really were trying to say no one would have been angry and thats why i went back to show you exactly how and why there was a misunderstanding in the first place
but now that you know why there was the reaction there was, and now i know that you are on a cell phone its over
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I'm jus a really sensative person which is y I reacted like that and which is y I wanna leave....but I guess since its all understood now im cool....I'll post when necessary
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To mjthelegend:
Idk y i can't send a pm from my fone or maybe it did and idk but just in case it didnt go thru hopefully u check here..but heres wat I said......
Thank u again......im gonna try and send a message again lol........but thank u for that I'm not gonna leave b.c to me that'll b me being weak and letting pple see that im weak.....your post was a very good arguement and ive enjoyed it.....thank u so much for understanding me and backing me up..it truely means a lot to me:-)....thank u and God Bless you with Lots of L.O.V.E....lets c if this pm works lol
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All I wanna say is that Im glad things are cleared up, guys. PEACE
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Here are my thoughts:
There's absolutely no need for swearing, no matter how angry you are. It's disrespectful towards other members. Next to that, it's not adding anything to your comment, in my opinion it just reduces the value of the reply. I'm sorry, but when I come across a reply filled with 'F this and F that', I don't take that reply very serious.
Of course it's perfectly fine to disagree but again: if you disagree please come up with argumentation or evidence. It's so easy to just say it can't be true without explaining why you think so. Don't attack members who disagree with YOUR idea and who give argumentation for that unless you substantiate your opinion.
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I watched the 5 videos that Mo and Souza, posted from twitter.
The 5th video makes sense to me if taken from the perspective of DID.
I am of the opinion that breaking free is the start of a new beginning and "the others" must "die" in order to gain control on ones own life.
From this perspective, more than argueing the reasons of "why" I am curious to know the result of "how" and "when" if any. Would be interesting to see how one self, can reach the hard disk ( brain ) which has been defragmentated by human nature ( self preservation ) and find it´s true self in order to win a life and identity back.
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Could we use at this point the quote "The greatest demostration of freedom.."? ;)
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Ok here u pple go again misunderstanding me! The lady claims during the early Jackson 5 days they got raped right before performing......cmon Mike was wat 10 11 12 do u really think he got raped then right away go on stage and performing the way he did....he was a lil dynomite on stage u would think that young and smallbu would b able to see it....i never said he could not get over it laters years READ MY WHOLE FUCKING COMMENT NEXT TIME......maybe he did, which I highly doubt, but if so then thas sumin idk who can function that well just after getting raped...thas my fucking point so before yall attck me. And call me stupid read my fucking comments and stop kissing Sousa ans mo's ass....u dnt have to agree with everything they say an im not even trying to b disrespectful but pple calling ne dumb without even doing their own research r low minded and fucking retarded b.c I believe in my own beliefs and not sum1 elses......I standby what I believe in until proven otherwise WITH FACTS.....with that being said if ur gonna ban for expressing my opinion then so be it but to all u who dnt wana think for urselves go suck it.......to mo and souza I'm not mad about the thread b.c we each have a mind of our own and choose wat to believe and have our own opinions...I am however mad at the fact that u and other pple r bashing and trying to bring dwn my opinion based on a theory thas not even proven as fact.....and with that being said i think this will b my final posting on this topic nd idc yall cus bash it all y'all want cuz ill stick to my belief.....
Nd u to m w.e ur name is who quoted me on his heart how about u go back and read my dann comment before u reply.......I said since MJ as y'all claim was under mind control everything he did wasnt him....his music his heart...that it was him who touched others Hearts but the pple who control him....thas wat I fucking sais so get it straight....and as ive stated 1000 times......I do have a open mind about the illuminati in general(u dnt have to conncet MJ with the illuminati to have an open mind about them).........I'm done here
Hi LiteEyeZ22 ;) wooow....U know wht??? I think U just had ur own "demonstration of freedom"- of speech and expressing ur own mind here! My hat of to that! Why ?? bcz I feel we must NOT be afraid to express our minds (bcz we might get banned if we don't think like most of ppl around here)!
So LiteEyeZ22...I supported ur comments from the beggining bcz we think alike :); so far ;)
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Hi LiteEyeZ22 ;) wooow....U know wht??? I think U just had ur own "demonstration of freedom"- of speech and expressing ur own mind here! My hat of to that! Why ?? bcz I feel we must NOT be afraid to express our minds (bcz we might get banned if we don't think like most of ppl around here)!
So LiteEyeZ22...I supported ur comments from the beggining bcz we think alike :); so far ;)
Arianna_07 stop provoking. No one is banned for expressing an opinion. No one ever was, and no one will ever be. You know that very well.
Your reply is not a contribution to the discussion at all, you're just trying to stir things up.
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Hi *Mo*...I'm not provoking or stiring things up! But in my case, when I posted my opinion, I was told that my account will be deactivated, wich means that I will get banned! All this bcz my thoughts about this thread were considered to be a Rejection + yelling and bashing from my side! Wich never happent! In fact, I never used an agressive / unnapropriate language on this forum, and u know it!
....so once again, if I do agree with someone here or not, doesn't mean I'm provoking or stiring..ok? Please, don't missjudge me again!
Thank You,
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"I would like to know your thoughts on how you think this would not be possible though, because I would love this theory to be completely debunked because I dont like it either." (Souza)
Here are my thoughts :)
This thread “Mike; victim of Illuminati & Mind Control?“ started from the belief that Illuminati does exists and they were/are behind the curtain of Mj’s entire life !!!
But my thread starts from the question - Do The Illuminati Really Exists?
Is this power fact or fiction?
So before debating a Thread about Mj and his connections with the Illuminati Power, we should’ve presented first a knowledge base about whether this power does or does not exists! BCZ we cannot create such a controversial thread based on informations half real and half fiction/far fetched, and use it to open ppls eyes and minds!
We cannot turn a fly into a horse, like it happent here, were ppl already belive that this Illuminati could be the secret powerful source to be blamed for MJ’s unhappy childhood and abuse, success, skin desease, tone of voice, words, actions, life and death!
I will present you another side of this Illuminati Theory to show you why I don’t BeLIEve in this thread (Mike; the victim of Illuminati) and why I am being skeptical about beliving it!
Question: "What is the Illuminati conspiracy?"
Answer: The Illuminati conspiracy is a conspiracy theory which holds that there is a "global elite" society that is either in control of the world, or is seeking to take control of the world. As with most conspiracy theories, beliefs regarding the Illuminati conspiracy vary widely. As a result, it is virtually impossible to give a synopsis of the Illuminati conspiracy. Popularized in recent books and movies, the Illuminati conspiracy has definitely reached "cult fiction" status.
The Illuminati are a recurring theme in popular culture. References to such an organization appear in many fictional works across many genres, appearing in print, in film, on television, in video games, in comic book series, as well as in both trading card and roleplaying games.
The Illuminati was a secret society in Bavaria in the late 18th century. They had a political agenda that included republicanism and abolition of monarchies, which they tried to institute by means of subterfuge, secrecy, and conspiracy, including the infiltration of other organizations. They fancied themselves to be "enlightened" but they had little success and were destroyed within fifteen years of their origin (Pipes 1997).
A key figure in the conspiracy theory movement, Myron Fagan, devoted his latter years to finding evidence that a variety of historical events from Waterloo, The French Revolution, JFK's assassination and the communist plot to hasten the New World Order by infiltrating the Hollywood film industry, were all orchestrated by the Illuminati.
It is to be noted that the main groundswell of interest in the Illuminati and the assertions that it exists today began after the publication of The Illuminatus trilogy, written in the 1970s by two then Playboy associate editors, Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson. A post-modern science fiction work, the trilogy looked at the Illuminati's plot to rule the world, whilst fighting opposition, one of the chief protagonists being the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu.
The shadowy world of secret signs and societies; a world where every major political event, high-profile disease, celebrity assassination and international agreement are woven together into one mass blanket of "truth" is one that has found a natural home on the Internet. Bolstered by their peers in what has been sometimes termed "communal reinforcement", the theorists continue to fantasise that there is a grand plan at work and that they are part of the righteous fight against it. Considering that the Illuminati is apparently such a secret society, it is difficult to ascertain how the theorists have so many notions about their aims and objectives. Supposition abounds on Internet forums and conspiracy websites, with ever more interwoven fantasies proliferating.
Skeptics who are aware of the aggressive power of international governments yet refuse to believe that every world event has been controlled by a bloodline, be it largely Jewish or extraterrestrial, have been apparently brainwashed into such microcosmic thinking.
The Illuminati's supposed omniscience and omnipresence is not dissimilar to the notion of the all-seeing God that the religious fundamental conspiracy theorists perceive as being under attack from this immoral New World Order. The conspiracy theorists tendency to concentrate on eschatological (the end of the world) matters is a theme which can be linked to their close references to the Book of Revelations and fear of prophecies becoming reality.
Despite the proliferation of theories, drawn from a build-up of supposition and published works of fiction, there is absolutely no empirical evidence to suggest that the Illuminati exist. In the mind of the conspiracy theorist, every internationally drawn up piece of legislation, every UN deployment of troops, every economic trade agreement, is evidence that the world is moving towards a single global governance. Every major event from the death of Princess Diana to the attack on the World Trade Centre is now routinely traced back to the Illuminati. With the Internet-using conspiracy theorist in operation, no future atrocity, accident or event will happen that will not be attributed to the Illuminati.
On the internet we can find lots of articles about this aggressive power! Some of them tells us the Illuminti exists, and some sais that it does not exists! In fact, books related to this theme are included in the Fiction category!And I’ll name just 2 famous books:
“The Illuminatus Trilogy” - by Robert Shea /Robert Anton Wilson- a mix between Fiction and Reality.
And “ Angels and Demons” by Dan Brown – a best Seller Fiction book.
Does the book “Angels And Demons “ tell the truth about the Illuminatti??
“The book and its claims are highly fictional and inaccurate. Galileo has always been rumored to have been a member. The brands are totally fictitious as are most of the other claims, but then it is FICTION.”
”Angels & Demons, like The DaVinci Code is VERY entertaining (if you like Fiction) but history....it' "ain't"”
I will now conclude with this :
As The New England Skeptical Society's research into the Illuminati and conspiracy theorists concludes:
"They are responsible for every evil and every unjust act that ever occurs anywhere; the fact that absolutely no evidence of their existence can be found only serves to make them stronger and more frightening."
Stop searching for answers beyond our understanding!
L.O.V.E. is the Answer ;)
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I do believe that the Illuminati exists, all that has happened in history cannot be just a coincidence, and we better wake up fast before it is too late!
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"I would like to know your thoughts on how you think this would not be possible though, because I would love this theory to be completely debunked because I dont like it either." (Souza)
Here are my thoughts :)
This thread “Mike; victim of Illuminati & Mind Control?“ started from the belief that Illuminati does exists and they were/are behind the curtain of Mj’s entire life !!!
But my thread starts from the question - Do The Illuminati Really Exists?
Is this power fact or fiction?
So before debating a Thread about Mj and his connections with the Illuminati Power, we should’ve presented first a knowledge base about whether this power does or does not exists! BCZ we cannot create such a controversial thread based on informations half real and half fiction/far fetched, and use it to open ppls eyes and minds!
We cannot turn a fly into a horse, like it happent here, were ppl already belive that this Illuminati could be the secret powerful source to be blamed for MJ’s unhappy childhood and abuse, success, skin desease, tone of voice, words, actions, life and death!
I will present you another side of this Illuminati Theory to show you why I don’t BeLIEve in this thread (Mike; the victim of Illuminati) and why I am being skeptical about beliving it!
So from Feelings you went to Thoughts and ran a Google search..? If you had posted something like this the first time I asked you for argumentation it would have looked credible...
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:( I believe that the Illuminati exist, are so powerful to practice in secret all their shady
roofing business with suspicion.
Their rituals horrible and vicious actions indescribable you can easily find on Internet for some time now.
So, none of them ever will declare that they belong to this association secret.
Especially large responsible for actions unconscionable and criminal.
Possible that no one ever asks why so many mysterious processes that end without a conviction? The world is full of examples in all countries.
Many crimes remain unsolved because the Illuminati is protect each other and mostly occupied seats institutions.
Many crimes occur in order to provide victims sacrificial, but because they are stored without motive or managers did.
Sexual actions are commonplace among them often than are children who disappear without apparent reason.
Everything is horrible and it is chilling to the skin but is truth and many victims - if they manage to escape -- persecuted until they pass like crazy or permanently damaged.
Is there really be sick to read some testimonials.
Recently, we can "appoint" this association, but Fears persist because they are also unexpected common people we meet every day at work or road.
Many people disappear for revenge, because they I poked around too much.
So I understand - but do not share - the fear to speak of these arguments, the thought that Michael Jackson may have been a victim of this system is horrify everyone.
I read the testimony of Brice Taylor on Control Mental and when he saw Jackson in the room while suffered violence. Shocking.
I wonder: his father Joe always knew?
And was he who abet outrage? No comment ...
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Do The Illuminati Really Exists?
Depends to who you ask that question ;)
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"I would like to know your thoughts on how you think this would not be possible though, because I would love this theory to be completely debunked because I dont like it either." (Souza)
Here are my thoughts :)
This thread “Mike; victim of Illuminati & Mind Control?“ started from the belief that Illuminati does exists and they were/are behind the curtain of Mj’s entire life !!!
But my thread starts from the question - Do The Illuminati Really Exists?
Is this power fact or fiction?
So before debating a Thread about Mj and his connections with the Illuminati Power, we should’ve presented first a knowledge base about whether this power does or does not exists! BCZ we cannot create such a controversial thread based on informations half real and half fiction/far fetched, and use it to open ppls eyes and minds!
We cannot turn a fly into a horse, like it happent here, were ppl already belive that this Illuminati could be the secret powerful source to be blamed for MJ’s unhappy childhood and abuse, success, skin desease, tone of voice, words, actions, life and death!
I will present you another side of this Illuminati Theory to show you why I don’t BeLIEve in this thread (Mike; the victim of Illuminati) and why I am being skeptical about beliving it!
So from Feelings you went to Thoughts and ran a Google search..? If you had posted something like this the first time I asked you for argumentation it would have looked credible...
You know wht?? I do not need to give u any explanations anymore *Mo*, and u know why?? bcz u L.O.V.E. bugging me every time u have the chance!! When I tell u wht I feel ( based on wht I read) ur asking me for some argumentation; and when I'm backing my feelings with some argumentations, u don't like that either! And why do u reply to me?? my post was a respons for Souza (she asked me to express my thoughts!) :mrgreen:
So bcz my comment came a bit later, makes it NOT credible?? WOOW! ur reply knocked me down ! :mrgreen: so u didn't find another plausible response for me, except that?? :o I'm dissaponted.... :?
Actually my thread is more credible then yours! why?? bcz ur thread was a lot created from FICTION! there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that this power REALLY EXISTS! :)
So if ppl here love to read and to beLIEve some science-fiction stories, GREAT! but I'm not that GULLIBLE!
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"I would like to know your thoughts on how you think this would not be possible though, because I would love this theory to be completely debunked because I dont like it either." (Souza)
Here are my thoughts :)
This thread “Mike; victim of Illuminati & Mind Control?“ started from the belief that Illuminati does exists and they were/are behind the curtain of Mj’s entire life !!!
But my thread starts from the question - Do The Illuminati Really Exists?
Is this power fact or fiction?
So before debating a Thread about Mj and his connections with the Illuminati Power, we should’ve presented first a knowledge base about whether this power does or does not exists! BCZ we cannot create such a controversial thread based on informations half real and half fiction/far fetched, and use it to open ppls eyes and minds!
We cannot turn a fly into a horse, like it happent here, were ppl already belive that this Illuminati could be the secret powerful source to be blamed for MJ’s unhappy childhood and abuse, success, skin desease, tone of voice, words, actions, life and death!
I will present you another side of this Illuminati Theory to show you why I don’t BeLIEve in this thread (Mike; the victim of Illuminati) and why I am being skeptical about beliving it!
So from Feelings you went to Thoughts and ran a Google search..? If you had posted something like this the first time I asked you for argumentation it would have looked credible...
You know wht?? I do not need to give u any explanations anymore *Mo*, and u know why?? bcz u L.O.V.E. bugging me every time u have the chance!! When I tell u wht I feel ( based on wht I read) ur asking me for some argumentation; and when I'm backing my feelings with some argumentations, u don't like that either! And why do u reply to me?? my post was a respons for Souza (she asked me to express my thoughts!) :mrgreen:
So bcz my comment came a bit later, makes it NOT credible?? WOOW! ur reply knocked me down ! :mrgreen: so u didn't find another plausible response for me, except that?? :o I'm dissaponted.... :?
Actually my thread is more credible then yours! why?? bcz ur thread was a lot created from FICTION! there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that this power REALLY EXISTS! :)
So if ppl here love to read and to beLIEve some science-fiction stories, GREAT! but I'm not that GULLIBLE!
ILLUMINATI & NEW WORLD ORDER
Illuminati
Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, “enlightened”) is a name that refers to several groups, both historical and modern, and both real and fictitious. Historically, it refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776. In modern times it is also used to refer to a purported conspiratorial organization which acts as a shadowy “power behind the throne“, allegedly controlling world affairs through present day governments and corporations, usually as a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati. In this context, Illuminati is often used in reference to a New World Order (NWO). Many conspiracy theorists believe the Illuminati are the masterminds behind events that will lead to the establishment of such a New World Order.
The movement was founded on May 1, 1776, in Ingolstadt (Upper Bavaria), by Jesuit-taught Adam Weishaupt (d. 1830), who was the first lay professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt. The movement was made up of freethinkers, as an offshoot of the Enlightenment. Writers at the time, such as Seth Payson, believed the movement represented a conspiracy to infiltrate and overthrow the governments of European states. Some writers, such as Augustin Barruel and John Robison, even claimed that the Illuminati were behind the French Revolution, a claim that Jean-Joseph Mounier dismissed in his 1801 book On the Influence Attributed to Philosophers, Free-Masons, and to the Illuminati on the Revolution of France.
The group’s adherents were given the name “Illuminati”, although they called themselves “Perfectibilists”. The group has also been called the Illuminati Order and the Bavarian Illuminati, and the movement itself has been referred to as Illuminism (after illuminism). In 1777, Karl Theodor became ruler of Bavaria. He was a proponent of Enlightened Despotism and, in 1784, his government banned all secret societies, including the Illuminati.
During the period when the Illuminati was legally allowed to operate, many influential intellectuals and progressive politicians counted themselves as members, including Ferdinand of Brunswick and the diplomat Xavier von Zwack, who was number two in the operation and was found with much of the group’s documentation when his home was searched. The Illuminati’s members pledged obedience to their superiors, and were divided into three main classes, each with several degrees. The order had its branches in most countries of the European continent; it reportedly had around 2,000 members over the span of ten years. The organization had its attraction for literary men, such as Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and Johann Gottfried Herder, and even for the reigning dukes of Gotha and Weimar. Weishaupt had modeled his group to some extent on Freemasonry, and many Illuminati chapters drew membership from existing Masonic lodges. Internal rupture and panic over succession preceded its downfall, which was effected by the Secular Edict made by the Bavarian government in 1785.
Writers such as Mark Dice, David Icke, Ryan Burke, Jüri Lina and Morgan Gricar, have argued that the Bavarian Illuminati survived, possibly to this day. Many of these theories propose that world events are being controlled and manipulated by a secret society calling itself the Illuminati. Conspiracy theorists have claimed that many notable people were or are members of the Illuminati, including Winston Churchill, the Bush family, Barack Obama, the Rothschild family, David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski.
In addition to the shadowy and secret organization, several modern fraternal groups claim to be the “heirs” of the Bavarian Illuminati and have openly used the name “Illuminati” in founding their own rites. Some, such as the multiple groups that call themselves some variation on “The Illuminati Order” use the name directly in the name of their organization, while others, such as the Ordo Templi Orientis, use the name as a grade of initiation within their organization.
The Illuminati are a recurring theme in popular culture. References to such an organization appear in many fictional works across many genres, appearing in print, in film, on television, in video games, in comic book series, as well as in both trading card and roleplaying games.
Source: http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati)
21 Goals of the Illuminati
- 1. To establish a One World Government/New World Order with a unified church and monetary system under their direction.
2. To bring about the utter destruction of all national identity and national pride, which was a primary consideration if the concept of a One World Government was to work.
3. To engineer and bring about the destruction of religion, and more especially, the Christian Religion, with the one exception, their own creation, as mentioned above.
4. To establish the ability to control of each and every person through means of mind control and what Zbignew Brzezinski called techonotronics, which would create human-like robots and a system of terror which would make Felix Dzerzinhski’s Red Terror look like children at play.
5. To bring about the end to all industrialization and the production of nuclear generated electric power in what they call “the post-industrial zero-growth society”. Excepted are the computer- and service industries.
6. To encourage, and eventually legalize the use of drugs and make pornography an “art-form”, which will be widely accepted and, eventually, become quite commonplace.
7. To bring about depopulation of large cities according to the trial run carried out by the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia.
8. To suppress all scientific development except for those deemed beneficial by the Illuminati. Especially targeted is nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.
9. To cause. by means of limited wars in the advanced countries, by means of starvation and diseases in the Third World countries, the death of three billion people by the year 2050, people they call “useless eaters”.
10. To weaken the moral fiber of the nation and to demoralize workers in the labor class by creating mass unemployment.
11. To keep people everywhere from deciding their own destinies by means of one created crisis after another and then “managing” such crises.
12. To introduce new cults and continue to boost those already functioning which include rock music gangsters such as the Rolling Stones (a gangster group much favored by European Black Nobility), and all of the Tavistock-created rock groups which began with the Beatles.
13. To continue to build up the cult of Christian Fundamentalism begun by the British East India Company’s servant Darby, which will be misused to strengthen the Zionist State of Israel by identifying with the Jews through the myth of “God’s chosen people”, and by donating very substantial amounts of money to what they mistakenly believe is a religious cause in the furtherance of Christianity.
14. To press for the spread of religious cults such as the Moslem Brotherhood, Moslem Fundamentalism, the Sikhs, and to carry out mind control experiments of the Jim Jones and “Son of Sam” type.
15. To export “religious liberation” ideas around the world so as to undermine all existing religions, but more especially the Christian religion.
16. To cause a total collapse of the world’s economies and engender total political chaos.
17. To take control of all foreign and domestic policies of the US.
18. To give the fullest support to supranational institutions such as the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the Bank of International Settlements, the World Court and, as far as possible, make local institutions less effective, by gradually phasing them out or bringing them under the mantle of the UN.
19. To penetrate and subvert all governments, and work from within them to destroy the sovereign integrity of the nations represented by them.
20. To organize a world-wide terrorist apparatus and to negotiate with terrorists whenever terrorist activities take place.
21. To take control of education in America with the intent and purpose of utterly and completely destroying it.
Source: http://http://educate-yourself.org/cn/johncolemangoalsofIlluminati.shtml (http://http://educate-yourself.org/cn/johncolemangoalsofIlluminati.shtml)
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Hollywood and the music industry & Illuminati
Hollywood and the music industry are big mind control centers, used by the Illuminati to influence us in the ways that suit their goals. We have seen many great artists come and go through the years and as we think about it, they have influenced us quite a lot in different ways. We all have our favorites, who many of us “look up to” and admire. They are a big part of the children’s and teenagers lives.
In a book by Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler, “The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave”, the music industry (and the Country music in special) is loaded with artists who work as mind control programmers and many of them are mind control slaves with split personalities. They mention among many others Kris Kristofferson, Jerry Lee Lewis and Willie Nelson as being programmers, working for the Illuminati. And many artists are themselves programmed to be able to act in a way the Illuminati wants, to “spread the message”.
Recently, an Illuminati slave, also stated that Elvis was an Illuminati slave. Cisco points out that Elvis’ twin brother was dead at his birth, and that Elvis knew that this gave him double spiritual power (according to Illuminati beliefs). The Illuminati will often kill a twin, so that the other will get the power of two souls.
In Monarch Programming, the use of mirrors is a basic important tool for to make split multiple personalities. The mental mirrors, which are programmed into the victim, create thousands of alters (artificial personalities), which then can be programmed in whatever way the Illuminati programmer wants. Here are some more excerpts with regards to mirrors:
“The child must learn to match identical items very early–even before they can speak. This is so they will be able to build mirror images into their mind. All the senses are trained for building the mirror images; for instance such as silks and cottons can be used for the sense of touch”
“The elements that make up who a person is–i.e. personality elements such as memories, are fractured. These fragments have in turn often been built up into full-blown personalities with all the elements of full-blown personalities. There is no “real” person, just as if you smash a mirror into a thousand pieces, there is no single piece that is the “real” original mirror but rather simply fragments that can in turn operate as mirrors. However, there is still a primal self. Early splits are led to believe they are the core”
With regards to this, it’s interesting to read the lyrics of Jimi Hendrix, especially from a song called “Room full of mirrors”. The lyrics go:
“I USED TO LIVE IN A ROOM FULL OF MIRRORS
ALL I COULD SEE WAS ME
WELL I TOOK MY SPIRIT
AND I CRASHED MY MIRRORS
NOW THE WHOLE WORLD IS HERE FOR ME TO SEE
I’VE GOT A WHOLE WORLD THAT’S HERE FOR ME TO SEE
NOW I’M SEARCHING FOR MY LOVE TO BE
BROKEN GLASS WAS FALLING IN MY BRAIN
CUTTIN’ AND SCREAMIN’ AND CRYING IN MY HEAD
BROKEN GLASS WAS FALLING IN MY BRAIN
IT USED TO FALL ON MY DREAMS AND CUT ME IN MY BED
IT USED TO FALL ON MY DREAMS AND CUT ME IN MY BED
I SAID MAKING LOVE WAS STRANGE IN MY BED”
Many rock musicians died around the same time: Brian Jones (Rolling Stones) who drowned in his pool(!); Mama Cass (The Mamas and the Papas); Jimi Hendrix; Janis Joplin; Jim Morrison (The Doors) and more. Cause of death was often overdosing drugs or as with the case of Jim Morrison, he died from heart failure in his bath tub(!).
It is possible that those musicians became dangerous to the Illuminati and therefore were killed. If they don’t serve the purpose, they are useless to them and potentially dangerous, as they may reveal the secrets if they start to remember …
It’s also known, thanks to former Illuminati programmed slaves who have succeeded to escape, that the Illuminati can pick a child, check for his/her talents, use that part for programming and create geniuses. This is by the way NASA works. Their computer programs are so extremely advanced and difficult to learn, that the computer programmers and users must have a photographic memory to be able to remember the programs. This is done by scarring the brain stem of the victim, an action which is known to create photographic memory – IF the operation is successful, otherwise the victim may die. Those people, who have had their brain stem scarred, are then taught by NASA how to control the computers.
Source: http://http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/mind_control_art.htm (http://http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/mind_control_art.htm)
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New World Order
In conspiracy theory, the term “New World Order” or “NWO” refers to the emergence of a bureaucratic collectivist one-world government.
The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a powerful and secretive elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an autonomous world government, which would replace sovereign nation-states and put an end to international power struggles. Significant occurrences in politics and finance are speculated to be orchestrated by an extremely influential cabal operating through many front organizations. Numerous historical and current events are seen as steps in an on-going plot to achieve world domination through secret political gatherings and decision-making processes.
Prior to the early 1990s, New World Order conspiracism was limited to two American countercultures, primarily the militantly anti-government right, and secondarily fundamentalist Christians concerned with end-time emergence of the Antichrist. Skeptics, such as political scientist Michael Barkun, have expressed concern that right-wing conspiracy theories about a New World Order have now not only been embraced by many left-wing conspiracy theorists but have seeped into popular culture, thereby inaugurating an unrivaled period of people actively preparing for apocalyptic millenarian scenarios in the United States of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. They warn that this development may not only fuel lone-wolf terrorism but have devastating effects on American political life, such as the far right and the far left joining forces to launch an insurrectionary national-anarchist movement capable of subverting the established political powers.
Read more: http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy) (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy%29)
ORGANIZATIONS & SOCIETIES & LINKS TO ILLUMINATI/NEW WORLD ORDER
The Bilderberg Group
The Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg conference, or Bilderberg Club is an unofficial, annual, invitation-only conference of around 130 guests, most of whom are persons of great influence in the fields of politics, business, banking, and media. Each conference is under intense secrecy and security, with the last meeting guarded by police, security services, military helicopters and even fighter jets.
The group meets annually at hotels or resorts throughout the world—for two consecutive years in Europe followed by a year in the United States or Canada. This tradition appeared to be broken in 2008 when the meeting was held in Chantilly, Virginia, so as to give easier access to those associated with the US elections. The 2009 Bilderberg meeting took place from 14-16 May in Athens, Greece.
Read more: http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_group (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_group)
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Bohemian Grove
Bohemian Grove is a 2,700-acre (1,100 ha) campground located at 20601 Bohemian Avenue, in Monte Rio, California, belonging to a private San Francisco-based men’s art club known as the Bohemian Club. In mid-July each year, Bohemian Grove hosts a three-week encampment of some of the most powerful men in the world.
The Bohemian Club’s all-male membership includes artists, particularly musicians, as well as many prominent business leaders, government officials (including many former U.S. presidents), senior media executives, and people of power. Members may invite guests to the Grove although those guests are subject to a screening procedure. A guest’s first glimpse of the Grove is typically during the “Spring Jinks”, in June, preceding the main July encampment. Bohemian club members can schedule private day-use events at the Grove any time it is not being used for Club-wide purposes, and are allowed at these times to bring spouses, family and friends, though female and minor guests must be off the property by 9 or 10 p.m.
After 40 years of membership the men earn “Old Guard” status, giving them reserved seating at the Grove’s daily talks, as well as other perquisites.
The Club motto is “Weaving Spiders Come Not Here”, which implies that outside concerns and business deals are to be left outside. When gathered in groups, Bohemians usually adhere to the injunction, though discussion of business often occurs between pairs of members.
Important political and business deals have been developed at the Grove. The Grove is particularly famous for a Manhattan Project planning meeting that took place there in September 1942, which subsequently led to the atomic bomb. Those attending this meeting, apart from Ernest Lawrence and military officials, included the president of Harvard and representatives of Standard Oil and General Electric. Grove members take particular pride in this event and often relate the story to new attendees
Read more: http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove)
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Skull and Bones
Skull and Bones is a secret society at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut. The society’s alumni organization, which owns the society’s real property and oversees the organization, is the Russell Trust Association, named for General William Huntington Russell, who co-founded Skull and Bones with classmate Alphonso Taft. The Russell Trust was founded by Russell and Daniel Coit Gilman, member of Skull and Bones and later a university president. The society is known informally as “Bones”, and members are known as “Bonesmen”.
President George H. W. Bush, his son President George W. Bush, and the latter’s 2004 Presidential opponent Senator John Kerry are members of Skull and Bones.
Read more: http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones)
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So let's not call it Illuminati, let's call them "Bilderberg Group", "Bohemian Grove" & "Skulls & Bones". These organisations DO exist and their members are the most powerful people on this planet. So yes, I do think this does exist, actually I am pretty sure it does.
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"I would like to know your thoughts on how you think this would not be possible though, because I would love this theory to be completely debunked because I dont like it either." (Souza)
Here are my thoughts :)
This thread “Mike; victim of Illuminati & Mind Control?“ started from the belief that Illuminati does exists and they were/are behind the curtain of Mj’s entire life !!!
But my thread starts from the question - Do The Illuminati Really Exists?
Is this power fact or fiction?
So before debating a Thread about Mj and his connections with the Illuminati Power, we should’ve presented first a knowledge base about whether this power does or does not exists! BCZ we cannot create such a controversial thread based on informations half real and half fiction/far fetched, and use it to open ppls eyes and minds!
We cannot turn a fly into a horse, like it happent here, were ppl already belive that this Illuminati could be the secret powerful source to be blamed for MJ’s unhappy childhood and abuse, success, skin desease, tone of voice, words, actions, life and death!
I will present you another side of this Illuminati Theory to show you why I don’t BeLIEve in this thread (Mike; the victim of Illuminati) and why I am being skeptical about beliving it!
So from Feelings you went to Thoughts and ran a Google search..? If you had posted something like this the first time I asked you for argumentation it would have looked credible...
You know wht?? I do not need to give u any explanations anymore *Mo*, and u know why?? bcz u L.O.V.E. bugging me every time u have the chance!! When I tell u wht I feel ( based on wht I read) ur asking me for some argumentation; and when I'm backing my feelings with some argumentations, u don't like that either! And why do u reply to me?? my post was a respons for Souza (she asked me to express my thoughts!) :mrgreen:
So bcz my comment came a bit later, makes it NOT credible?? WOOW! ur reply knocked me down ! :mrgreen: so u didn't find another plausible response for me, except that?? :o I'm dissaponted.... :?
Actually my thread is more credible then yours! why?? bcz ur thread was a lot created from FICTION! there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that this power REALLY EXISTS! :)
So if ppl here love to read and to beLIEve some science-fiction stories, GREAT! but I'm not that GULLIBLE!
ILLUMINATI & NEW WORLD ORDER
Illuminati
Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, “enlightened”) is a name that refers to several groups, both historical and modern, and both real and fictitious. Historically, it refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776. In modern times it is also used to refer to a purported conspiratorial organization which acts as a shadowy “power behind the throne“, allegedly controlling world affairs through present day governments and corporations, usually as a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati. In this context, Illuminati is often used in reference to a New World Order (NWO). Many conspiracy theorists believe the Illuminati are the masterminds behind events that will lead to the establishment of such a New World Order.
The movement was founded on May 1, 1776, in Ingolstadt (Upper Bavaria), by Jesuit-taught Adam Weishaupt (d. 1830), who was the first lay professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt. The movement was made up of freethinkers, as an offshoot of the Enlightenment. Writers at the time, such as Seth Payson, believed the movement represented a conspiracy to infiltrate and overthrow the governments of European states. Some writers, such as Augustin Barruel and John Robison, even claimed that the Illuminati were behind the French Revolution, a claim that Jean-Joseph Mounier dismissed in his 1801 book On the Influence Attributed to Philosophers, Free-Masons, and to the Illuminati on the Revolution of France.
The group’s adherents were given the name “Illuminati”, although they called themselves “Perfectibilists”. The group has also been called the Illuminati Order and the Bavarian Illuminati, and the movement itself has been referred to as Illuminism (after illuminism). In 1777, Karl Theodor became ruler of Bavaria. He was a proponent of Enlightened Despotism and, in 1784, his government banned all secret societies, including the Illuminati.
During the period when the Illuminati was legally allowed to operate, many influential intellectuals and progressive politicians counted themselves as members, including Ferdinand of Brunswick and the diplomat Xavier von Zwack, who was number two in the operation and was found with much of the group’s documentation when his home was searched. The Illuminati’s members pledged obedience to their superiors, and were divided into three main classes, each with several degrees. The order had its branches in most countries of the European continent; it reportedly had around 2,000 members over the span of ten years. The organization had its attraction for literary men, such as Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and Johann Gottfried Herder, and even for the reigning dukes of Gotha and Weimar. Weishaupt had modeled his group to some extent on Freemasonry, and many Illuminati chapters drew membership from existing Masonic lodges. Internal rupture and panic over succession preceded its downfall, which was effected by the Secular Edict made by the Bavarian government in 1785.
Writers such as Mark Dice, David Icke, Ryan Burke, Jüri Lina and Morgan Gricar, have argued that the Bavarian Illuminati survived, possibly to this day. Many of these theories propose that world events are being controlled and manipulated by a secret society calling itself the Illuminati. Conspiracy theorists have claimed that many notable people were or are members of the Illuminati, including Winston Churchill, the Bush family, Barack Obama, the Rothschild family, David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski.
In addition to the shadowy and secret organization, several modern fraternal groups claim to be the “heirs” of the Bavarian Illuminati and have openly used the name “Illuminati” in founding their own rites. Some, such as the multiple groups that call themselves some variation on “The Illuminati Order” use the name directly in the name of their organization, while others, such as the Ordo Templi Orientis, use the name as a grade of initiation within their organization.
The Illuminati are a recurring theme in popular culture. References to such an organization appear in many fictional works across many genres, appearing in print, in film, on television, in video games, in comic book series, as well as in both trading card and roleplaying games.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati
21 Goals of the Illuminati
1. To establish a One World Government/New World Order with a unified church and monetary system under their direction.
2. To bring about the utter destruction of all national identity and national pride, which was a primary consideration if the concept of a One World Government was to work.
3. To engineer and bring about the destruction of religion, and more especially, the Christian Religion, with the one exception, their own creation, as mentioned above.
4. To establish the ability to control of each and every person through means of mind control and what Zbignew Brzezinski called techonotronics, which would create human-like robots and a system of terror which would make Felix Dzerzinhski’s Red Terror look like children at play.
5. To bring about the end to all industrialization and the production of nuclear generated electric power in what they call “the post-industrial zero-growth society”. Excepted are the computer- and service industries.
6. To encourage, and eventually legalize the use of drugs and make pornography an “art-form”, which will be widely accepted and, eventually, become quite commonplace.
7. To bring about depopulation of large cities according to the trial run carried out by the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia.
8. To suppress all scientific development except for those deemed beneficial by the Illuminati. Especially targeted is nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.
9. To cause. by means of limited wars in the advanced countries, by means of starvation and diseases in the Third World countries, the death of three billion people by the year 2050, people they call “useless eaters”.
10. To weaken the moral fiber of the nation and to demoralize workers in the labor class by creating mass unemployment.
11. To keep people everywhere from deciding their own destinies by means of one created crisis after another and then “managing” such crises.
12. To introduce new cults and continue to boost those already functioning which include rock music gangsters such as the Rolling Stones (a gangster group much favored by European Black Nobility), and all of the Tavistock-created rock groups which began with the Beatles.
13. To continue to build up the cult of Christian Fundamentalism begun by the British East India Company’s servant Darby, which will be misused to strengthen the Zionist State of Israel by identifying with the Jews through the myth of “God’s chosen people”, and by donating very substantial amounts of money to what they mistakenly believe is a religious cause in the furtherance of Christianity.
14. To press for the spread of religious cults such as the Moslem Brotherhood, Moslem Fundamentalism, the Sikhs, and to carry out mind control experiments of the Jim Jones and “Son of Sam” type.
15. To export “religious liberation” ideas around the world so as to undermine all existing religions, but more especially the Christian religion.
16. To cause a total collapse of the world’s economies and engender total political chaos.
17. To take control of all foreign and domestic policies of the US.
18. To give the fullest support to supranational institutions such as the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the Bank of International Settlements, the World Court and, as far as possible, make local institutions less effective, by gradually phasing them out or bringing them under the mantle of the UN.
19. To penetrate and subvert all governments, and work from within them to destroy the sovereign integrity of the nations represented by them.
20. To organize a world-wide terrorist apparatus and to negotiate with terrorists whenever terrorist activities take place.
21. To take control of education in America with the intent and purpose of utterly and completely destroying it.
Source: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/johncolemangoalsofIlluminati.shtml
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Hollywood and the music industry & Illuminati
Hollywood and the music industry are big mind control centers, used by the Illuminati to influence us in the ways that suit their goals. We have seen many great artists come and go through the years and as we think about it, they have influenced us quite a lot in different ways. We all have our favorites, who many of us “look up to” and admire. They are a big part of the children’s and teenagers lives.
In a book by Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler, “The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave”, the music industry (and the Country music in special) is loaded with artists who work as mind control programmers and many of them are mind control slaves with split personalities. They mention among many others Kris Kristofferson, Jerry Lee Lewis and Willie Nelson as being programmers, working for the Illuminati. And many artists are themselves programmed to be able to act in a way the Illuminati wants, to “spread the message”.
Recently, an Illuminati slave, also stated that Elvis was an Illuminati slave. Cisco points out that Elvis’ twin brother was dead at his birth, and that Elvis knew that this gave him double spiritual power (according to Illuminati beliefs). The Illuminati will often kill a twin, so that the other will get the power of two souls.
In Monarch Programming, the use of mirrors is a basic important tool for to make split multiple personalities. The mental mirrors, which are programmed into the victim, create thousands of alters (artificial personalities), which then can be programmed in whatever way the Illuminati programmer wants. Here are some more excerpts with regards to mirrors:
“The child must learn to match identical items very early–even before they can speak. This is so they will be able to build mirror images into their mind. All the senses are trained for building the mirror images; for instance such as silks and cottons can be used for the sense of touch”
“The elements that make up who a person is–i.e. personality elements such as memories, are fractured. These fragments have in turn often been built up into full-blown personalities with all the elements of full-blown personalities. There is no “real” person, just as if you smash a mirror into a thousand pieces, there is no single piece that is the “real” original mirror but rather simply fragments that can in turn operate as mirrors. However, there is still a primal self. Early splits are led to believe they are the core”
With regards to this, it’s interesting to read the lyrics of Jimi Hendrix, especially from a song called “Room full of mirrors”. The lyrics go:
“I USED TO LIVE IN A ROOM FULL OF MIRRORS
ALL I COULD SEE WAS ME
WELL I TOOK MY SPIRIT
AND I CRASHED MY MIRRORS
NOW THE WHOLE WORLD IS HERE FOR ME TO SEE
I’VE GOT A WHOLE WORLD THAT’S HERE FOR ME TO SEE
NOW I’M SEARCHING FOR MY LOVE TO BE
BROKEN GLASS WAS FALLING IN MY BRAIN
CUTTIN’ AND SCREAMIN’ AND CRYING IN MY HEAD
BROKEN GLASS WAS FALLING IN MY BRAIN
IT USED TO FALL ON MY DREAMS AND CUT ME IN MY BED
IT USED TO FALL ON MY DREAMS AND CUT ME IN MY BED
I SAID MAKING LOVE WAS STRANGE IN MY BED”
Many rock musicians died around the same time: Brian Jones (Rolling Stones) who drowned in his pool(!); Mama Cass (The Mamas and the Papas); Jimi Hendrix; Janis Joplin; Jim Morrison (The Doors) and more. Cause of death was often overdosing drugs or as with the case of Jim Morrison, he died from heart failure in his bath tub(!).
It is possible that those musicians became dangerous to the Illuminati and therefore were killed. If they don’t serve the purpose, they are useless to them and potentially dangerous, as they may reveal the secrets if they start to remember …
It’s also known, thanks to former Illuminati programmed slaves who have succeeded to escape, that the Illuminati can pick a child, check for his/her talents, use that part for programming and create geniuses. This is by the way NASA works. Their computer programs are so extremely advanced and difficult to learn, that the computer programmers and users must have a photographic memory to be able to remember the programs. This is done by scarring the brain stem of the victim, an action which is known to create photographic memory – IF the operation is successful, otherwise the victim may die. Those people, who have had their brain stem scarred, are then taught by NASA how to control the computers.
Source: http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/mind_control_art.htm
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New World Order
In conspiracy theory, the term “New World Order” or “NWO” refers to the emergence of a bureaucratic collectivist one-world government.
The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a powerful and secretive elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an autonomous world government, which would replace sovereign nation-states and put an end to international power struggles. Significant occurrences in politics and finance are speculated to be orchestrated by an extremely influential cabal operating through many front organizations. Numerous historical and current events are seen as steps in an on-going plot to achieve world domination through secret political gatherings and decision-making processes.
Prior to the early 1990s, New World Order conspiracism was limited to two American countercultures, primarily the militantly anti-government right, and secondarily fundamentalist Christians concerned with end-time emergence of the Antichrist. Skeptics, such as political scientist Michael Barkun, have expressed concern that right-wing conspiracy theories about a New World Order have now not only been embraced by many left-wing conspiracy theorists but have seeped into popular culture, thereby inaugurating an unrivaled period of people actively preparing for apocalyptic millenarian scenarios in the United States of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. They warn that this development may not only fuel lone-wolf terrorism but have devastating effects on American political life, such as the far right and the far left joining forces to launch an insurrectionary national-anarchist movement capable of subverting the established political powers.
Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy)
ORGANIZATIONS & SOCIETIES & LINKS TO ILLUMINATI/NEW WORLD ORDER
The Bilderberg Group
The Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg conference, or Bilderberg Club is an unofficial, annual, invitation-only conference of around 130 guests, most of whom are persons of great influence in the fields of politics, business, banking, and media. Each conference is under intense secrecy and security, with the last meeting guarded by police, security services, military helicopters and even fighter jets.
The group meets annually at hotels or resorts throughout the world—for two consecutive years in Europe followed by a year in the United States or Canada. This tradition appeared to be broken in 2008 when the meeting was held in Chantilly, Virginia, so as to give easier access to those associated with the US elections. The 2009 Bilderberg meeting took place from 14-16 May in Athens, Greece.
Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_group
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Bohemian Grove
Bohemian Grove is a 2,700-acre (1,100 ha) campground located at 20601 Bohemian Avenue, in Monte Rio, California, belonging to a private San Francisco-based men’s art club known as the Bohemian Club. In mid-July each year, Bohemian Grove hosts a three-week encampment of some of the most powerful men in the world.
The Bohemian Club’s all-male membership includes artists, particularly musicians, as well as many prominent business leaders, government officials (including many former U.S. presidents), senior media executives, and people of power. Members may invite guests to the Grove although those guests are subject to a screening procedure. A guest’s first glimpse of the Grove is typically during the “Spring Jinks”, in June, preceding the main July encampment. Bohemian club members can schedule private day-use events at the Grove any time it is not being used for Club-wide purposes, and are allowed at these times to bring spouses, family and friends, though female and minor guests must be off the property by 9 or 10 p.m.
After 40 years of membership the men earn “Old Guard” status, giving them reserved seating at the Grove’s daily talks, as well as other perquisites.
The Club motto is “Weaving Spiders Come Not Here”, which implies that outside concerns and business deals are to be left outside. When gathered in groups, Bohemians usually adhere to the injunction, though discussion of business often occurs between pairs of members.
Important political and business deals have been developed at the Grove. The Grove is particularly famous for a Manhattan Project planning meeting that took place there in September 1942, which subsequently led to the atomic bomb. Those attending this meeting, apart from Ernest Lawrence and military officials, included the president of Harvard and representatives of Standard Oil and General Electric. Grove members take particular pride in this event and often relate the story to new attendees
Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove
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Skull and Bones
Skull and Bones is a secret society at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut. The society’s alumni organization, which owns the society’s real property and oversees the organization, is the Russell Trust Association, named for General William Huntington Russell, who co-founded Skull and Bones with classmate Alphonso Taft. The Russell Trust was founded by Russell and Daniel Coit Gilman, member of Skull and Bones and later a university president. The society is known informally as “Bones”, and members are known as “Bonesmen”.
President George H. W. Bush, his son President George W. Bush, and the latter’s 2004 Presidential opponent Senator John Kerry are members of Skull and Bones.
Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones
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So let's not call it Illuminati, let's call them "Bilderberg Group", "Bohemian Grove" & "Skulls & Bones". These organisations DO exist and their members are the most powerful people on this planet. So yes, I do think this does exist, actually I am pretty sure it does.[/color]
I second that!
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Ok here u pple go again misunderstanding me! The lady claims during the early Jackson 5 days they got raped right before performing......cmon Mike was wat 10 11 12 do u really think he got raped then right away go on stage and performing the way he did....he was a lil dynomite on stage u would think that young and smallbu would b able to see it....i never said he could not get over it laters years READ MY WHOLE FUCKING COMMENT NEXT TIME......maybe he did, which I highly doubt, but if so then thas sumin idk who can function that well just after getting raped...thas my fucking point so before yall attck me. And call me stupid read my fucking comments and stop kissing Sousa ans mo's ass....u dnt have to agree with everything they say an im not even trying to b disrespectful but pple calling ne dumb without even doing their own research r low minded and fucking retarded b.c I believe in my own beliefs and not sum1 elses......I standby what I believe in until proven otherwise WITH FACTS.....with that being said if ur gonna ban for expressing my opinion then so be it but to all u who dnt wana think for urselves go suck it.......to mo and souza I'm not mad about the thread b.c we each have a mind of our own and choose wat to believe and have our own opinions...I am however mad at the fact that u and kother pple r bashing and trying to bring dwn my opinion based on a theory thas not even proven as fact.....and with that being said i think this will b my final posting on this topic nd idc yall cus bash it all y'all want cuz ill stick to my belief.....
Nd u to m w.e ur name is who quoted me on his heart how about u go back and read my dann comment before u reply.......I said since MJ as y'all claim was under mind control everything he did wasnt him....his music his heart...that it was him who touched others Hearts but the pple who control him....thas wat I fucking sais so get it straight....and as ive stated 1000 times......I do have a open mind about the illuminati in general(u dnt have to conncet MJ with the illuminati to have an open mind about them).........I'm done here
Hi LiteEyeZ22 ;) wooow....U know wht??? I think U just had ur own "demonstration of freedom"- of speech and expressing ur own mind here! My hat of to that! Why ?? bcz I feel we must NOT be afraid to express our minds (bcz we might get banned if we don't think like most of ppl around here)!
So LiteEyeZ22...I supported ur comments from the beggining bcz we think alike :); so far ;)
Well firstly I know I said I wouldnt post on this topic anymore but i can't help I mean y R we all here? to figure out Michael Jackson's case right? Well ayway I cant but to come back and c pples thoughts :-D
Secondly, thank u Arianna i stand by u as well n I like ur research u have done..I wish i was on my computer so i can break all my thoughts down b.c its hard to do on my phone...but thank u again...Thank u You also to Mjthelegend for ur kind words...
Lastly to *Mo* I did Apologize for my behavoir...and I explained the situation....so idk what u meant by that post under me b.c i thought it was over, i know I didn't have to cuss and what not and I didnt say f this and f that....but w.e that doent matter what matters is is everything ok now that i cleared everything up? And also I don't think Arianna is provoking anything i simply think she is stating her opinion and agreeing with me and having my back
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@ *Mo* and Souza ...I appreciate u trying to "open my eyes" about the existence or this power! And u definately added a lot of "evidence" from the internet about Illuminati!
Let me say this again....I'm not denying the existence of organisations like this, I'm just skeptical about considering all the infos on the internet as 100% valid and accurate! There's ABSOLUTELY NO VALID EVIDENCE that they do exist!
And I also know that many ppl see more then it REALLY is !
Human's mind is SOO powerful and can create so much!
So how much is ppls creation -FICTION- and how much is REALITY ...we'll never know!
I do not beLIEve, NOT FOR A SECOND, that MJ was involved in all this or that he had to ENDURE all those TERRIBLE / DISGUSTING experiences ! he would've never TOLERATE OR PUT UP with something like that!~
~ I know MJ from his speeches, from his words, and especially from his songs ~ and thats enough for me ! ~
I do not need anybody to tell me otherwise about him!
How do ppl DARE to claim THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW WHT HAPPENT TO HIM???
HOW do ppl DARE TO TRY TO JUSTIFY OR GET EXLPLANATIONS FOR ALL THAT HAPPENT IN HIS LIFE?
HOW DARE THEY??
WE are here to understand HIM and support him, and LOVE him! NOT TO CREATE AWFUL STORIES AROUND HIM!
Love Overcomes Virtually Everything.
L.O.V.E is the answer.Simple as that!
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I do not beLIEve, NOT FOR A SECOND, that MJ was involved in all this or that he had to ENDURE all those TERRIBLE / DISGUSTING experiences ! he would've never TOLERATE OR PUT UP with something like that!~
~ I know MJ from his speeches, from his words, and especially from his songs ~ and thats enough for me ! ~
I do not need anybody to tell me otherwise about him!
How do you think a little boy could fight such horror, do you think those little kids have superpowers? It's not that easy. And if you don't need other people to tell you otherwise, why are you even participating in this discussion? I KNOW it is disgusting, that is why this needs to stop.
How do ppl DARE to claim THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW WHT HAPPENT TO HIM???
HOW do ppl DARE TO TRY TO JUSTIFY OR GET EXLPLANATIONS FOR ALL THAT HAPPENT IN HIS LIFE?
HOW DARE THEY??
We are not claiming anything, we are presenting an (IMO very plausible) theory. Why should you be allowed to say he will or will not do something, he will or will not have endured things? You don't know him, none of us know him, so we can't say stuff like that, we can only say what we think, but we should all stay open minded in this matter.
WE are here to understand HIM and support him, and LOVE him! NOT TO CREATE AWFUL STORIES AROUND HIM!
We are not creating awful stories and I am stunned you think that. If you 'know' him for his songs, maybe you should listen to his words again...
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To balance the posts ;)
Robert Joseph Shea was a novelist and former journalist best known as co-author with Robert Anton Wilson of the science fantasy trilogy Illuminatus!.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illuminatus!_Trilogy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illuminatus!_Trilogy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Shea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Shea)
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@ Souza "We are not claiming anything, we are presenting an (IMO very plausible) theory"
NOOO...You are not presenting a plausible theory! YOU are assuming ( taking too much for granted; presumptuous) thats this theory explains a lot from MJ's life!!
I CANNOT belive that u keep saying that M was abused like that when he was only a little boy! How can u state something as SERIOUS as this? You haven't been there with him, to witness that! So how can u go so far and make ASSUMPTIONS like that??
You, me or anybody here HAS THE RIGHT to DO, SAY, BACK-UP a theory like this!!!
...In fact, let me point my statement with this theory:... :mrgreen:
What would u say if I told u this?? Wht would ur reaction be to this?
" I think Souza and *Mo* are one and the same person! In fact, I belive that Souza is the alter-ego of *Mo*, and *Mo* is the alter-ego of Souza!! yess...we are all CONTROLED BY MK-ULTRA!
Who is behind this forum??? why this Illuminati thread got posted in the first place here? wht if this forum in controlled by the Illuminati? wht if we are all under their "spell"?? woow ..wht if?? "
Of ourse u will deny and cancel my theory, but MJ CANNOT CANCEL URS! IS THAT FAIR?
And of course, u will tell me that I have no evidence to support my personal theory, and i will tell u that YOU supporting this Illuminati theory makes u suspicios to be considered as one of them! And wht's ur avatar pic?? Do I see THE EYE? isn't the EYE the simbol of Iluminati?"
NOW u see how far ppls mind can go?? how much we can create using our imagination and blowing things out of proportions?? And all I did was to ASSUME!
And now I will tell u that " we can only say what we think" to quote u!
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@ Souza "We are not claiming anything, we are presenting an (IMO very plausible) theory"
NOOO...You are not presenting a plausible theory! YOU are assuming ( taking too much for granted; presumptuous) thats this theory explains a lot from MJ's life!!
I CANNOT belive that u keep saying that M was abused like that when he was only a little boy! How can u state something as SERIOUS as this? You haven't been there with him, to witness that! So how can u go so far and make ASSUMPTIONS like that??
You, me or anybody here HAS THE RIGHT to DO, SAY, BACK-UP a theory like this!!!
...In fact, let me point my statement with this theory:... :mrgreen:
What would u say if I told u this?? Wht would ur reaction be to this?
" I think Souza and *Mo* are one and the same person! In fact, I belive that Souza is the alter-ego of *Mo*, and *Mo* is the alter-ego of Souza!! yess...we are all CONTROLED BY MK-ULTRA!
Who is behind this forum??? why this Illuminati thread got posted in the first place here? wht if this forum in controlled by the Illuminati? wht if we are all under their "spell"?? woow ..wht if?? "
Of ourse u will deny and cancel my theory, but MJ CANNOT CANCEL URS! IS THAT FAIR?
And of course, u will tell me that I have no evidence to support my personal theory, and i will tell u that YOU supporting this Illuminati theory makes u suspicios to be considered as one of them! And wht's ur avatar pic?? Do I see THE EYE? isn't the EYE the simbol of Iluminati?"
NOW u see how far ppls mind can go?? how much we can create using our imagination and blowing things out of proportions?? And all I did was to ASSUME!
And now I will tell u that " we can only say what we think" to quote u!
I don't care what people think about us Arianna, I know why we are here and for who.
It seems to me you are not just giving your opinion, you are ridiculing the possibility. I am in this for a while and as time passes I see more and more people like you.
I CANNOT belive that u keep saying that M was abused like that when he was only a little boy! How can u state something as SERIOUS as this? You haven't been there with him, to witness that! So how can u go so far and make ASSUMPTIONS like that??
Who are you to state something like this is not possible? Are you even aware of the terrible things that happen in this world? Do you think Mike is immune for those things? He is still human you know.
And have YOU been there with him? That is my question to you. How are you so sure you know him and what has happened in his life. I am very curious about that.[/color]
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Look at this way, you can believe in the Illuminati whether you choose to or not. You can do research with an open mind and see where that takes you. One critical point here though that is being missed is Michael believes that they exist, as do many other musicians. Please look at his album covers and take note of the symbolism. I believe that these covers where created as a message to us. Here are a couple to consider.
Dangerous - Full of Symbolism related to the Illumanti
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/91DangerousAlbumCover.jpg)
Invincible - The Eye of Horus
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/album-invincible.jpg)
Blood on The Floor- Several symbols in here too
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/blood.jpg)
There are also Paintings that have been done of Michael that include similar symbols. Here is one for you to consider.
The Book
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/Michael%20Jackson/jacksonpainting-480.jpg)
Please listen to the lyrics in the songs included in this video by many artist. I believe Michael is very much alive but this was the only video I could find with the information I wanted to present. Don't be discouraged by the title etc.
[youtube:3u9i8zxt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJi2HaJf1VI[/youtube:3u9i8zxt]
Please also take the time to check out this site in the music section. The creator seems to know quite a bit about symbolism and explains the images and lyrics in many songs etc.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/
And finally, some forum posters have suggested that Michael was involved in a conspiracy forum for several years using the screen name King777Tut. There is a youtube member with this name who has people exposing the Illuminati/New World Order as their friends and they have favourited these types of videos. I do not know if this is Michael for sure but it is quite interesting to say the least.
http://www.youtube.com/user/KING777TUT
Combine this all with some of Michael's song lyrics, TIAI redirections, TNZ information, TII movie, Michael's speeches and much, much more and I think it is very possible that Michael believed there was something going own with a group of Individuals with nefarious intentions. It seems that he believes the Illuminati exists...
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Skull and Bones
Skull and Bones is a secret society at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut. The society’s alumni organization, which owns the society’s real property and oversees the organization, is the Russell Trust Association, named for General William Huntington Russell, who co-founded Skull and Bones with classmate Alphonso Taft. The Russell Trust was founded by Russell and Daniel Coit Gilman, member of Skull and Bones and later a university president. The society is known informally as “Bones”, and members are known as “Bonesmen”.
President George H. W. Bush, his son President George W. Bush, and the latter’s 2004 Presidential opponent Senator John Kerry are members of Skull and Bones.
If noone hasn't also recognized but skull and bones is also a fashion fad now in most urbanwear clothing.
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Arianna_07 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:06 am
@ *Mo* and Souza ...I appreciate u trying to "open my eyes" about the existence or this power! And u definately added a lot of "evidence" from the internet about Illuminati!
Let me say this again....I'm not denying the existence of organisations like this, I'm just skeptical about considering all the infos on the internet as 100% valid and accurate! There's ABSOLUTELY NO VALID EVIDENCE that they do exist!And I also know that many ppl see more then it REALLY is !
Human's mind is SOO powerful and can create so much!
The Bilderburg organizations do exist. They had a meeting here in VA.
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Who is behind this forum??? why this Illuminati thread got posted in the first place here? wht if this forum in controlled by the Illuminati?
The topic came up because before mike died people knew they were after him,esp after what he said about tommy motolla, idk why you think mo and souza started this talk when on all the boards there is discussion of the illuminati
And why would they have a site that exposes themselves?
wht if we are all under their "spell"?? woow ..wht if?? "
What if u are under there spell and that's why you don't believe they have the power they have. That's what they want. They want us dumb,why you think they cutting school funds?
Of ourse u will deny and cancel my theory, but MJ CANNOT CANCEL URS! IS THAT FAIR? [/b]
And of course, u will tell me that I have no evidence to support my personal theory, and i will tell u that YOU supporting this Illuminati theory makes u suspicios to be considered as one of them! And wht's ur avatar pic?? Do I see THE EYE? isn't the EYE the simbol of Iluminati?"
NOW u see how far ppls mind can go?? how much we can create using our imagination and blowing things out of proportions?? And all I did was to ASSUME!
And now I will tell u that " we can only say what we think" to quote u!
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~ I know MJ from his speeches, from his words, and especially from his songs ~ and thats enough for me ! ~
I do not need anybody to tell me otherwise about him!
The number 1 thing the illuminati want to do is break down the family...doesn't mj speak of this in hs oxford speech?
The immuminati also change the history,hints why people think g.washington was our first president....didn't mj speak on that @ his speech in harlem
The illuminati use media,music and movies, to subliminally. Send there message and have artist who are there puppets...mike being the biggest star in thw world,don't u think they woudont you think they would want him to send that message?
And I really think u should listen 2 the history album and invicible again....who do u think he is talking to?
WE are here to understand HIM and support him, and LOVE him! NOT TO CREATE AWFUL STORIES AROUND HIM!
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Idk about you but we are here supporting him and loving him! Knowing this could ha ve happened and spreading the world and being ready to fight to have this stopped is supporting him
And even if this didn't happen to him I'm sure he would want t fight it anyways..to he'll the world
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[youtube:w5qquitw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzvcdgHAauM&feature=related[/youtube:w5qquitw]
i thought sponge bob was cool for kids to watch, i guess not :lol:
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Hi everyone! :)
I'm writing this post to suggest a youtube channel(it's not mine) for those interested.
If you're not confident with all this stuff, you can find many playlists on different subjects there, all in the same channel. It's an Italian one, so you'll find Italian subtitles, but most of the videos are in English.
I think it's great because it's full of information.
Then, believe what you want and have your own opinion. Anyway, I think it's always worth to keep an open mind and learn more. ;)
check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrInsHaine#p/p (http://www.youtube.com/user/MrInsHaine#p/p)
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I do not know if my long post got through or not (the board logged me out...) but if it did not, I guess it wasn't meant to be.
I just wanted to say thank you, for posting the vids/blog, and that if nobody here has ever experienced the horrible things that go along with DID, then you CAN"T know what it's like. I DO know. And I am healing.
I am new here, and I hope that all will go right.
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I think talking about wether illuminati exist or not is some of wasting time.
Call it wat you want... ELITE RULING THE WORLD
Undeniable, isn´t it?
Illuminati is just a label we all know and it well can do to understand who we mean.
One thing is for sure, this people, whoever, rules apparatus such as MK-ULTRA,
and it does exist for sure.
Here a video of Clinton recognizing it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u22mphQsn5s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u22mphQsn5s)
Funny, if we think he has been a puppet victim himself:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0RD4xxNJsg[/youtube]
There is one really interesting testimony of a victim who explain how it works.
She says, don´t know what minute of the whole 7 videos, that jehova witnesses is one of the organitations most used to this purposes. There, we can link with Michael, his father abuse, the strange sexual surround he lived when child...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu5EtbyPNS8[/youtube]
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6uNFdiI-fM&feature=related[/youtube]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGHWLI0491Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGHWLI0491Y)
I am posting this interview on this thread countries and Islam because of the political issue where Jermaine blames the US Government for wanting to eliminate MJ and where he supports the gulf countries and the Islam.
Also, there seems to be a slip up at 06.41. Watch how he even puts his finger on his mouth, because he is aware of it.
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Sorry guys,don`t read the first "countries and Islam" , I was typing to fast and touched the wrong button! :twisted:
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I have been asked by Mo & Souza to post some of my experiences regarding the things I have been through and how my life has been affected by these atrocities. I will in a longer post, but I want to say this as a person who knows: having a mind that is shattered like a broken mirror, is not the most fun thing in the world.
So, I'll post again later. God bless you.
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JAK » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:11 pm
I have been asked by Mo & Souza to post some of my experiences regarding the things I have been through and how my life has been affected by these atrocities. I will in a longer post, but I want to say this as a person who knows: having a mind that is shattered like a broken mirror, is not the most fun thing in the world.
So, I'll post again later. God bless you
Please share. Thanks and you can pm me if it is too much.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6uNFdiI-fM&feature=related[/youtube]
Do I hope all of you have watched the video about the plans for a total destruction of the Western World--except for 'the elite', 'the select' ?? I really don't know.When you are young, like most of you are, you probably ask yourselves: "what future do I have"? I too have children, what am I going to tell them? I am bewildered and shocked and now, yes, I am frightened. But listen: the thought of a human being is an extremely strong vibration. Every invention ever made started with---a thought--. After that came --the word-- and after that came the invention itself. Think about it, because that is the way it works. All that happens starts with...a thought. Good or bad.
We all have had experiences of thinking about someone and the phone rings! Being afraid of something and --it happens. etc. etc. Fear is our worst enemy, because fear is also a thought. The first thing we all have to do is fight our fears.
So...maybe when all of us have strong positive thoughts, loving thoughts, grateful thoughts about all that is good and we speak about those thoughts with others, maybe we will radiate such a strong positive force that it can and will make a change. It is worth a try for what else can we do?
One consolation: the surviving elite are evil and have no conscience whatsoever and hence they will fight and kill each other for power and anything else, supterranean or when they surface again. And guess what? They can clean up their own mess when they surface and have no happy life. Happiness cannot be build that way.
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Some Questions:
1. the Illuminati is planning a "Brave new world" aldus huxley version of life..
WHERE IS GOD(either our or their lucifer) in that world? In BNW theres NO GOD.
Also see in Matrix(Illuminati related) and Vendetta(also Illu-related)THERE IS NO GOD!!!
Could it be that they invented him(I APOLOGIZE FOR MY IGNORANCE!!!! :oops: :oops: )
I COULD ONLY HAVE HOPE IF THERE WAS A GOD...
2. THE BIGGEST SHIT I HAVE EVER WRITTEN:
Could it be that the Illuminati planned something bigger to distract us or to make the BIBLE ENDING happen?
Just look: They attacked Michael through accusations , jail etc..but THEY NEVER KILLED HIM...HIm, who gave the world LOVE..the most hated thign for them..why not killing him back in the nineties?It woudl be so much easier for them to make our youth more into lust ectc..
WHY WAITING???
BECAUSE THEY HAD ANOTHER PLAN WITH HIM....they wanted to continue using him..
look: even more and more people are waking up to OBAMAS LIES.THEy cant take it anymore and someday there will be a revolution, a good starting point for the elite to use Martial law and also many infecting diseases to kill the people..but also: the world really will think that THIS IS IT and what wil happen in the end? First the anti-christ will come and people will fall for him...baby ..we will be in such a situation when we wont trust anybody..EXCEPT FOR MICHAEL JACKSON F****!!!!
THINK ABOUT IT FOR ONE SECOND...PLEASE; JUST THE POSSIBILITY!!!!
COULD IT BE THAT MAYBE MICHAELS VIEW HAS ALSO CHANGED INTO BELIEVING OBAMA WHO MAYBE SAID TO HIM"NOW THAT I AM PRESIDENT; I WILL HELP YOUR STATUS SO THAT YOU COULD BRING YOUR GLORY BACK".COULD IT BE THAT MICHAEL WAS WILLING TO DO THIS AND BOTH; MJ AND THE GOVERNMENT PLANNED THIS DEATH HOAX IN ORDER FO MJ TO COMEBACK AND THE GOVERNMENT TO USE HIM AS THE "COMING BACK OF CHRIST"?
Maybe MJ didnt know what will happen to him after he "vanished"..maybe they are torturing him right..brain wash..so that the devil could be brought into his body..his soul is gone but his body is used..
COME ON. people have started to trust him again and many see in him the innocence and story of JESUS CHRIST.
Please dont feel offended!!! :( :( :( :( :(
In that horrible situation, we will only trust him....which will be wrong..cause the devil has taken over his body but dictating his own views etc...
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Some Questions:
1. the Illuminati is planning a "Brave new world" aldus huxley version of life..
WHERE IS GOD(either our or their lucifer) in that world? In BNW theres NO GOD.
Also see in Matrix(Illuminati related) and Vendetta(also Illu-related)THERE IS NO GOD!!!
Could it be that they invented him(I APOLOGIZE FOR MY IGNORANCE!!!! :oops: :oops: )
I COULD ONLY HAVE HOPE IF THERE WAS A GOD...
2. THE BIGGEST SHIT I HAVE EVER WRITTEN:
Could it be that the Illuminati planned something bigger to distract us or to make the BIBLE ENDING happen?
Just look: They attacked Michael through accusations , jail etc..but THEY NEVER KILLED HIM...HIm, who gave the world LOVE..the most hated thign for them..why not killing him back in the nineties?It woudl be so much easier for them to make our youth more into lust ectc..
WHY WAITING???
BECAUSE THEY HAD ANOTHER PLAN WITH HIM....they wanted to continue using him..
look: even more and more people are waking up to OBAMAS LIES.THEy cant take it anymore and someday there will be a revolution, a good starting point for the elite to use Martial law and also many infecting diseases to kill the people..but also: the world really will think that THIS IS IT and what wil happen in the end? First the anti-christ will come and people will fall for him...baby ..we will be in such a situation when we wont trust anybody..EXCEPT FOR MICHAEL JACKSON F****!!!!
THINK ABOUT IT FOR ONE SECOND...PLEASE; JUST THE POSSIBILITY!!!!
COULD IT BE THAT MAYBE MICHAELS VIEW HAS ALSO CHANGED INTO BELIEVING OBAMA WHO MAYBE SAID TO HIM"NOW THAT I AM PRESIDENT; I WILL HELP YOUR STATUS SO THAT YOU COULD BRING YOUR GLORY BACK".COULD IT BE THAT MICHAEL WAS WILLING TO DO THIS AND BOTH; MJ AND THE GOVERNMENT PLANNED THIS DEATH HOAX IN ORDER FO MJ TO COMEBACK AND THE GOVERNMENT TO USE HIM AS THE "COMING BACK OF CHRIST"?
Maybe MJ didnt know what will happen to him after he "vanished"..maybe they are torturing him right..brain wash..so that the devil could be brought into his body..his soul is gone but his body is used..
COME ON. people have started to trust him again and many see in him the innocence and story of JESUS CHRIST.
Please dont feel offended!!! :( :( :( :( :(
In that horrible situation, we will only trust him....which will be wrong..cause the devil has taken over his body but dictating his own views etc...
So you are saying the Devil has taken over Michael's body, and that eventually we will only trust him? I don't see how those 2 things go together, unless you are saying Michael is the anti-christ...which will cause a lot of disagreements. And we really don't need to bring religion into this. I'm just a tad confused on what you are trying to say...
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the thing i want to say is it is Michaels body, but not his soul...yes, that would mean he will be the anti-christ( i know this sounds crazy, but what is normal in this world anyways??=))..
We all know that it wont be in Michaels wish, but he wont have control anymore...
every heard" illuminati wants my body, soul and mind"?
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why not relating to religion here?
Are you a christian?
Then how will the world end? With the new world order? Come on...in 2012? maybe the world we know...
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MichaelJackson123 is just adding another possibility to the case, to keep in mind. Keep the mind sharp. Because it's "the biggest s*** i've ever written". It may sound like a crapload of ish, but believe me, when it comes down to the illuminati and the govt. and Michael and the alters, it's an unfortunate possibility. If any of his key alters have been out and presuaded to work WITH the govt., then something went wrong.
If it is shown that Obama and Michael seem to be in cahoots, be EXTREMELY WARY and even distrustful.
If it's the other way around, and it is clear he is exposing the ish of the govt. and illuminati-type stuff, you can be pretty sure he's won out in the end in his battle over the alters and is strong.
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I respect everyone's opinion here, and if any of you want to believe MJ is or has plan to take over the world as the Antichrist, well then fine, believe it. As a Christian I must say though, that the Antichrist will be loved by many, most of us wont notice when we start worshiping it (I believe its a religious-political organization, that's why I use "it"). The Antichrist's mission is to attract people to it, and to make people disobey God. It will appear godlike, yet it speaks like a dragon. People will go after it, because it will provide a solution to humanity's problems. The Antichrist will bring the "perfect" institution to rule the world. Like I said it will be godlike. Not everyone loves, respects, cares about or even acknowledges MJ. Yes, he is respected as a musician world wide,loved by many, but also hated by many. Go check the hate sites, hate videos, the people who still believe he is a pedophile, those who still call him wacko, pervert, and other crazy stuff. Will they trust MJ as a world leader? Its a long, very long journey before the whole world will ever believe MJ can be the Earth's savior or an Antichrist.
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I respect everyone's opinion here, and if any of you want to believe MJ is or has plan to take over the world as the Antichrist, well then fine, believe it. As a Christian I must say though, that the Antichrist will be loved by many, most of us wont notice when we start worshiping it (I believe its a religious-political organization, that's why I use "it"). The Antichrist's mission is to attract people to it, and to make people disobey God. It will appear godlike, yet it speaks like a dragon. People will go after it, because it will provide a solution to humanity's problems. The Antichrist will bring the "perfect" institution to rule the world. Like I said it will be godlike. Not everyone loves, respects, cares about or even acknowledges MJ. Yes, he is respected as a musician world wide,loved by many, but also hated by many. Go check the hate sites, hate videos, the people who still believe he is a pedophile, those who still call him wacko, pervert, and other crazy stuff. Will they trust MJ as a world leader? Its a long, very long journey before the whole world will ever believe MJ can be the Earth's savior or an Antichrist.
I agree 110%
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did I read it right when Cathy O'Brian said that MKUltra victims are severly sexually abused, and become abusers too? Or has it been debunked and I missed it? :?
And also in the video where Cathy is talking about tramatizing the Nation with the JFK assasanation, could, the same thing have happened again? I mean alot of people have been sick with grief, all over the world, and while people are distracted, BAM!
Just a thought.
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did I read it right when Cathy O'Brian said that MKUltra victims are severly sexually abused, and become abusers too? Or has it been debunked and I missed it? :?
And also in the video where Cathy is talking about tramatizing the Nation with the JFK assasanation, could, the same thing have happened again? I mean alot of people have been sick with grief, all over the world, and while people are distracted, BAM!
Just a thought.
Hm, I must be careful how I word this. Yes, most are sexually abused, particularly the girls. They don't always become abusers themselves, but their children are thrust into the program (unless if somehow the victim is recovered), whoever it is that creates the trauma in the the child's environment and mind. Either way, the mind is compartmentalized in such a way that the victim IS NOT AWARE of such abuse. But a "trigger" is "programmed" into the brain so that the compartment can be "accessed" and the victim can deal with/respond to the situation at hand.
Our nation has been traumatized en masse many times. JFK, MLK, 9/11, MJ.......there is SO much that goes on behind the curtain when the people are traumatized and grieving. They recover eventually, and wonder what happened, where'd that new thing come from? things like laws and stuff. or covert operations that normally would have gotten attention.
Regarding celebrity deaths, did the world mourn and grieve in the same way as they do with Michael, when Farrah passed? or Ed McMahon? or Patrick Swayze? The answer is no, they didn't. many were sad. But it wasn't the same effect. They did not have WORLDWIDE and enormous influence that Michael has. So while the world has been grieving over Michael's "passing", a lot has been going on that the world is not too aware of. You can bet the govt. cashed in on this opportunity, particularly in the early days and weeks, to rush something through. The world wasn't paying attention to the US govt. at the time.
I have probably said enough.
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1. the media is showing another, good-hearted(the true) site of michael
2. the world is at its end..what could be worse than this? yes, climate changes, mass murder, riots, diseases..in the end: whom will you trust? An institution? Come on... :roll:
3. whatever the older people might think of michale, the kids know his pureness and will then follow him..
4. we live in a world full of illusion where everythign is possible..
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did I read it right when Cathy O'Brian said that MKUltra victims are severly sexually abused, and become abusers too? Or has it been debunked and I missed it? :?
MK Ultra victims who are severly sexually abused CAN become abusers. I have seen this "and become abusers too" before in this thread, and I can't help but getting the highly uncomfortable feeling that this is pointing towards the 1993 allegations and 2005 trial, which makes my blood boil.
Don't ever go that way!
Mike NEVER touched a child, he was FRAMED TWICE, they took him down with the very thing he loves.
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did I read it right when Cathy O'Brian said that MKUltra victims are severly sexually abused, and become abusers too? Or has it been debunked and I missed it? :?
Michael has NEVER touched children.. http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/con/con0xl.htmlt (http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/con/con0xl.htmlt) READ this..
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1. the media is showing another, good-hearted(the true) site of michael
2. the world is at its end..what could be worse than this? yes, climate changes, mass murder, riots, diseases..in the end: whom will you trust? An institution? Come on... :roll:
3. whatever the older people might think of michale, the kids know his pureness and will then follow him..
4. we live in a world full of illusion where everythign is possible..
I don't know if this was directed toward my previous comment, but here goes. If this wasnt directed toward my comment, please ignore the following paragraph.
I would like to know where in this world is the media showing the true good side of Michael. Seriously where? The news you hear in the media are out there to just make profits out of his "death", it wasn't enough while he was alive, ya know? It is us,the fans, who are seeing and have always seen his real humanitarian side, not the media. Like I said earlier, outside this forum there are lots of people who don't appreciate MJ. His true friends are now talking, maybe they have always spoken, but we weren't listening. I am very glad to see Michael, as what he is...a man, a humanitarian, a father, and philanthropist, someone who cared too much for his brothers, sisters and our only home. That's what I appreciate from him. I don't know if Michael himself would appreciate people giving him a place in prophecies predicted 2,000 years ago, either. :roll:
@ Mo- Thanks, those are precisely my feelings. He was FRAMED. Those leeches were after his money.
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MichaelJackson123 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:16 am
Some Questions:
1. the Illuminati is planning a "Brave new world" aldus huxley version of life..
WHERE IS GOD(either our or their lucifer) in that world? In BNW theres NO GOD.
Also see in Matrix(Illuminati related) and Vendetta(also Illu-related)THERE IS NO GOD!!!
Could it be that they invented him(I APOLOGIZE FOR MY IGNORANCE!!!! )
I COULD ONLY HAVE HOPE IF THERE WAS A GOD...
Okay, I am trying to understand what you are saying here!
I will say that there is a God and God definitely have nothing to do with this diabolical,sinister organization! This will one day be destroyed. They are the ones who are trying to be God by doing what they are doing to people. They are the ones who is being used by "satan" to control people in such disgust manner.
There is hope still and there is a God. He gave man authority and these buzzards "excuse me" have taken that which was given to them and are abusing it.
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MichaelJackson123 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:16 am
Some Questions:
1. the Illuminati is planning a "Brave new world" aldus huxley version of life..
WHERE IS GOD(either our or their lucifer) in that world? In BNW theres NO GOD.
Also see in Matrix(Illuminati related) and Vendetta(also Illu-related)THERE IS NO GOD!!!
Could it be that they invented him(I APOLOGIZE FOR MY IGNORANCE!!!! )
I COULD ONLY HAVE HOPE IF THERE WAS A GOD...
Okay, I am trying to understand what you are saying here!
I will say that there is a God and God definitely have nothing to do with this diabolical,sinister organization! This will one day be destroyed. They are the ones who are trying to be God by doing what they are doing to people. They are the ones who is being used by "satan" to control people in such disgust manner.
There is hope still and there is a God. He gave man authority and these buzzards "excuse me" have taken that which was given to them and are abusing it.
You are brave. Thanks for posting your thoughts.
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MichaelJackson123 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:15 am
the thing i want to say is it is Michaels body, but not his soul...yes, that would mean he will be the anti-christ( i know this sounds crazy, but what is normal in this world anyways??=))..
We all know that it wont be in Michaels wish, but he wont have control anymore...
every heard" illuminati wants my body, soul and mind"?
.......
why not relating to religion here?
Are you a christian?
Then how will the world end? With the new world order? Come on...in 2012? maybe the world we know...
Michael Jackson!....the antichrist!....Sorry, MJ is not the antichrist,ok and I am not saying because of liking MJ but because he is not. There are much info about the anti-christ. You can go on google and see it. He will more than likely be coming from the MiddleEast. Althought we don't know for sure who is exactly is the antichrist, the laws that they are implementing are very obvious now. The AntiChrist is one who denies Christ. All that is going on with the laws changing is ushering in the one world order. I am not trying to be funny but I doubt he is the one. The World will not end in 2012.There will be many catastrophic events but no world ending. The signs of the end of age are here. Prophecies have already been fulfilled but the end ofthis world is not yet and it is not 2012.
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did I read it right when Cathy O'Brian said that MKUltra victims are severly sexually abused, and become abusers too? Or has it been debunked and I missed it? :?
MK Ultra victims who are severly sexually abused CAN become abusers. I have seen this "and become abusers too" before in this thread, and I can't help but getting the highly uncomfortable feeling that this is pointing towards the 1993 allegations and 2005 trial, which makes my blood boil.
Don't ever go that way!
Mike NEVER touched a child, he was FRAMED TWICE, they took him down with the very thing he loves.
Hi Mo
I never believed Michael was a molester, but I made you go there. See here in lies the problem, the posts are put out there with everything in it, but you choose to omit the things that could potentialy make him look bad, and this is where this forum gets in trouble with the haters coming in and arguing because its all there for speculation.
You will eventually come to know me as this voice of reason, and I'd rather show you then just tell you, its easier, but no Ive never believed Michael was a Molester, never believed it in 93, never in 05. Ive loved him since Thriller, and when he came out with we are the world, well I knew then that he was a saint, to do something so selfless with such passion is indeed rare.
I hope ive cleared it up, and in the future when I post stuff like that, just know, its me trying to let you know that you are openng yourselves up. And a little protective hand from me is reaching out, its the mother in me, I cant help it. :D
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did I read it right when Cathy O'Brian said that MKUltra victims are severly sexually abused, and become abusers too? Or has it been debunked and I missed it? :?
And also in the video where Cathy is talking about tramatizing the Nation with the JFK assasanation, could, the same thing have happened again? I mean alot of people have been sick with grief, all over the world, and while people are distracted, BAM!
Just a thought.
Hm, I must be careful how I word this. Yes, most are sexually abused, particularly the girls. They don't always become abusers themselves, but their children are thrust into the program (unless if somehow the victim is recovered), whoever it is that creates the trauma in the the child's environment and mind. Either way, the mind is compartmentalized in such a way that the victim IS NOT AWARE of such abuse. But a "trigger" is "programmed" into the brain so that the compartment can be "accessed" and the victim can deal with/respond to the situation at hand.
Our nation has been traumatized en masse many times. JFK, MLK, 9/11, MJ.......there is SO much that goes on behind the curtain when the people are traumatized and grieving. They recover eventually, and wonder what happened, where'd that new thing come from? things like laws and stuff. or covert operations that normally would have gotten attention.
Regarding celebrity deaths, did the world mourn and grieve in the same way as they do with Michael, when Farrah passed? or Ed McMahon? or Patrick Swayze? The answer is no, they didn't. many were sad. But it wasn't the same effect. They did not have WORLDWIDE and enormous influence that Michael has. So while the world has been grieving over Michael's "passing", a lot has been going on that the world is not too aware of. You can bet the govt. cashed in on this opportunity, particularly in the early days and weeks, to rush something through. The world wasn't paying attention to the US govt. at the time.
I have probably said enough.
Hi Jak
you are a individual of intrest, I look foward to more of your post .
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Ok...I have something that I need to say and please do not get mad at me or think that I do not Love and care about Michael...because I do deeply. He was/is possibly the most compassionate and loving person on this planet. But having said that what if.....ok...and this is just a big what if!
What if Michael was indeed murdered by the NWO and all the clues and suspicious pictures and coincidences were just put out there to us by the (NWO) to make us beLIEve that he is alive and coming back to us. What if... "they" (NWO) knows how many people support and love MJ and so they know how to get to a mass of people and per say punish us for loving him and being loyal to Michael. What if...in our blind sight to find the answers and believing that he is still among us we are playing right into "their" hands and are essentially "sheep being led to the slaughter". When it comes to the NWO I believe anything is possible.
What has happened to many of us since June 25th? I believe many like me have cease to sleep, eat, and live our lives like we did before that date. I am consumed with this whole MJ thing and finding out what happened. It has altered and changed our lives in so many ways. And I know myself that I try so hard to carry our MJ's messages to Love and bring peace to our human race. But the more I read and look into the NWO...it does nothing but bring me pain and anger, and most of all mistrust. I am beginning to not want to trust anyone fearing that somehow they could be connected to the NWO. All of this is so overwhelming and I sometimes don't know if I am coming or going...that is not what Michael wanted for us!
I pray to God that I am just loosing my mind and am so totally off base with this, but what if... I'm not?
Love and Blessings to all of you!
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did I read it right when Cathy O'Brian said that MKUltra victims are severly sexually abused, and become abusers too? Or has it been debunked and I missed it? :?
And also in the video where Cathy is talking about tramatizing the Nation with the JFK assasanation, could, the same thing have happened again? I mean alot of people have been sick with grief, all over the world, and while people are distracted, BAM!
Just a thought.
Hm, I must be careful how I word this. Yes, most are sexually abused, particularly the girls. They don't always become abusers themselves, but their children are thrust into the program (unless if somehow the victim is recovered), whoever it is that creates the trauma in the the child's environment and mind. Either way, the mind is compartmentalized in such a way that the victim IS NOT AWARE of such abuse. But a "trigger" is "programmed" into the brain so that the compartment can be "accessed" and the victim can deal with/respond to the situation at hand.
Our nation has been traumatized en masse many times. JFK, MLK, 9/11, MJ.......there is SO much that goes on behind the curtain when the people are traumatized and grieving. They recover eventually, and wonder what happened, where'd that new thing come from? things like laws and stuff. or covert operations that normally would have gotten attention.
Regarding celebrity deaths, did the world mourn and grieve in the same way as they do with Michael, when Farrah passed? or Ed McMahon? or Patrick Swayze? The answer is no, they didn't. many were sad. But it wasn't the same effect. They did not have WORLDWIDE and enormous influence that Michael has. So while the world has been grieving over Michael's "passing", a lot has been going on that the world is not too aware of. You can bet the govt. cashed in on this opportunity, particularly in the early days and weeks, to rush something through. The world wasn't paying attention to the US govt. at the time.
I have probably said enough.
Hi Jak
you are a individual of intrest, I look foward to more of your post .
Oh cool I'm an "individual of interest"......or maybe not so cool? Hmmm gotta think on that one.
Well if all I am is just an interesting person and nothing more, well I THINK I can live with that. I've always had to live with that. A "individual of interest", well, that is a little shady, for me anyway. But, thank you? I think?
God bless you.
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Ok...I have something that I need to say and please do not get mad at me or think that I do not Love and care about Michael...because I do deeply. He was/is possibly the most compassionate and loving person on this planet. But having said that what if.....ok...and this is just a big what if!
What if Michael was indeed murdered by the NWO and all the clues and suspicious pictures and coincidences were just put out there to us by the (NWO) to make us beLIEve that he is alive and coming back to us. What if... "they" (NWO) knows how many people support and love MJ and so they know how to get to a mass of people and per say punish us for loving him and being loyal to Michael. What if...in our blind sight to find the answers and believing that he is still among us we are playing right into "their" hands and are essentially "sheep being led to the slaughter". When it comes to the NWO I believe anything is possible.
What has happened to many of us since June 25th? I believe many like me have cease to sleep, eat, and live our lives like we did before that date. I am consumed with this whole MJ thing and finding out what happened. It has altered and changed our lives in so many ways. And I know myself that I try so hard to carry our MJ's messages to Love and bring peace to our human race. But the more I read and look into the NWO...it does nothing but bring me pain and anger, and most of all mistrust. I am beginning to not want to trust anyone fearing that somehow they could be connected to the NWO. All of this is so overwhelming and I sometimes don't know if I am coming or going...that is not what Michael wanted for us!
I pray to God that I am just loosing my mind and am so totally off base with this, but what if... I'm not?
Love and Blessings to all of you!
Your post makes sense to me. Back in June/ July the theory that Sony was behind the hoax sites to calm down and manipulate angry fans and to cover up MJ death was presented to me. And it was pretty credible btw.
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Ok...I have something that I need to say and please do not get mad at me or think that I do not Love and care about Michael...because I do deeply. He was/is possibly the most compassionate and loving person on this planet. But having said that what if.....ok...and this is just a big what if!
What if Michael was indeed murdered by the NWO and all the clues and suspicious pictures and coincidences were just put out there to us by the (NWO) to make us beLIEve that he is alive and coming back to us. What if... "they" (NWO) knows how many people support and love MJ and so they know how to get to a mass of people and per say punish us for loving him and being loyal to Michael. What if...in our blind sight to find the answers and believing that he is still among us we are playing right into "their" hands and are essentially "sheep being led to the slaughter". When it comes to the NWO I believe anything is possible.
What has happened to many of us since June 25th? I believe many like me have cease to sleep, eat, and live our lives like we did before that date. I am consumed with this whole MJ thing and finding out what happened. It has altered and changed our lives in so many ways. And I know myself that I try so hard to carry our MJ's messages to Love and bring peace to our human race. But the more I read and look into the NWO...it does nothing but bring me pain and anger, and most of all mistrust. I am beginning to not want to trust anyone fearing that somehow they could be connected to the NWO. All of this is so overwhelming and I sometimes don't know if I am coming or going...that is not what Michael wanted for us!
I pray to God that I am just loosing my mind and am so totally off base with this, but what if... I'm not?
Love and Blessings to all of you!
You are not off to keep these things in mind. You are not crazy to consider them. What it means, is that you are keeping your mind sharp, and examining ALL possibilities, and not following something blindly. This is IMPORTANT to do, ok? The NWO, as you say, WANTS us in the dark, WANTS diversions, WANTS to guide our thinking, etc. IT is soooo important to think for yourself.
Whether Michael comes back or not....one can only speculate right now. It's important to pay attention to what's going on around us. It's important to run with and share the message of love, peace, freedom, and justice. SO important. I cannot express how important that is.
And if there are any CIA, NWO, MK Ultra, and/or crooked politicians, on here, then what I have to say is this: GOD will be the judge. And you can bet, God's judgement on the unrighteous is much more severe than anything we as people can dish out. We The People will NOT tolerate what you do, and We The People will be your witnesses and your jury in the court of humanity.
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yes, since July(for me) the world has been a total mess..i cannot think about normal life..i want an action..what will bring my work if in 2 years the worst thing could happen and our money is the RFID chip...we really should think about means of having food etc..what if water is poisoned? What will we do then? the bad people are saved by satan..
we have to struggle..
This is exactly like the Tupac case:
-no police investigation
- fake songs in order for us to believe hes alive
Michael:
- no phone in the house???
- phone call from hotel= yeah..CIA
- i think the whole family is under mind control= latoya is easy, janet has multiple disorder(she calls herself strawberry), Joe is evil, Katherine is out of order since 1959..she was a good help is helping not to rescue the kids from beating.., Jermaine hates Michael=word to the badd, Randy(!!!) pushed Michael away in 2001 in the concert..and he disappeared from stage, he was actually never a band member and hated that....Marlon and the others were jealous of Michael=we dont need to discuss that....
In the memorial and afterwards the whole family seems to be okay and in the reality show they all cry...Jermaine coming with the excuse and apology for not having joined the Jackson 5 and staying with hazel..dfhusfhahwfidhgirghegvhwt....
(OKAY SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED 40 YEARS AGO AND WE HAVE TO HEAR THAT??)
COME ON WE WANT MICHAEL NOT THE IDIOTS....
-I believe the kids are also under mind control, the nanny is a witch worshipper(fact)
- the NWO/IILLU want to break our minds and souls, like they did in JFK assassination/ and 9/11 etc....we have to be in a trauma position..everyone is listening to Michaels music and few are concerned about the real world...
-they have a blood shirt in the closet(!!!!)
and to my feelings= i had to see a Tupac film(actually all) and saw Poetic Justice, unfortunately Janet was also there and the way she looked..omg..randy..her smile..eeewww...and in her first interview she also looked like that..like the snake who waits for the mouse to come out of the house..
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I absolutely agree with you! The whole family is under mind control. This is something that Latoya said in an interview:
LaToya said on Big Brother UK (january 2009) she was dragged off stage by security & taken into a room where a man & a priest were waiting, they said "do you take this man to be your husband?" & threatened to kill her if she said no, the stunned boy band singer she was telling this to asked who they were & she said "let's just say they were Italian".
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I believe the kids are also under mind control, the nanny is a witch worshipper(fact)
A witch worshipper ? I newer heard that before ... Where did you find that ?
Is that really true ? Where is the evidence ?
If it´s true then It´s worrying because there are "leaked" photos on youtube of what appears to be Paris and another girl said to be Spencer Malnik. There was some trouble between the Malniks and Michael Jackson before I think ?
The girl ( who looks like Paris )is doing the satanic hand sign with black painted fingernails. I hope they are only playing and it´s nothing serious.
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I believe the kids are also under mind control, the nanny is a witch worshipper(fact)
A witch worshipper ? I newer heard that before ... Where did you find that ?
Is that really true ? Where is the evidence ?
If it´s true then It´s worrying because there are "leaked" photos on youtube of what appears to be Paris and another girl said to be Spencer Malnik. There was some trouble between the Malniks and Michael Jackson before I think ?
The girl ( who looks like Paris )is doing the satanic hand sign with black painted fingernails. I hope they are only playing and it´s nothing serious.
YES, in the first MJDH forum, there was someone who made a really good description about this woman and she herself said she was a freemason..haha...this is unbelievable, Michael was sourrounded by evil...we actually dont know the real Michael..all we do is some speculation, but we must think about how clever those evil people are....Tupac although had many followers, couldnt do something about them, nor the other artists..is Michael really so intelligent to escape? did he make the plans in bahrein? But in the islamic countries the evil is also there..the Vatican has deep connections to Dubai..
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THE KIDS ARE LOST; I PRAY FOR THEM:::
http://www.fanpop.com/spots/paris-jacks ... is-jackson (http://www.fanpop.com/spots/paris-jackson/forum/post/48351/title/leaked-private-photos-paris-jackson)
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I believe the kids are also under mind control, the nanny is a witch worshipper(fact)
A witch worshipper ? I newer heard that before ... Where did you find that ?
Is that really true ? Where is the evidence ?
If it´s true then It´s worrying because there are "leaked" photos on youtube of what appears to be Paris and another girl said to be Spencer Malnik. There was some trouble between the Malniks and Michael Jackson before I think ?
The girl ( who looks like Paris )is doing the satanic hand sign with black painted fingernails. I hope they are only playing and it´s nothing serious.
YES, in the first MJDH forum, there was someone who made a really good description about this woman and she herself said she was a freemason..haha...this is unbelievable, Michael was sourrounded by evil...we actually dont know the real Michael..all we do is some speculation, but we must think about how clever those evil people are....Tupac although had many followers, couldnt do something about them, nor the other artists..is Michael really so intelligent to escape? did he make the plans in bahrein? But in the islamic countries the evil is also there..the Vatican has deep connections to Dubai..
Oh, I never was in that forum, TIAI led me here, so the information is lost i guess ?
Sometimes I have this uneasy feeling that things may not be what we think they are ... Are we beeing manipulated and lied to ? We don´t know the whole truth about this and you are right we are in a trauma position and Michael Jackson is the perfect tool for mind control. But then again it all seems a little too unreal, but who knows ?
Sadly all leaders in the muslim world are corrupt or/and connected to this system (NWO).
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YES, in the first MJDH forum, there was someone who made a really good description about this woman and she herself said she was a freemason..haha...this is unbelievable, Michael was sourrounded by evil...we actually dont know the real Michael..all we do is some speculation, but we must think about how clever those evil people are....Tupac although had many followers, couldnt do something about them, nor the other artists..is Michael really so intelligent to escape? did he make the plans in bahrein? But in the islamic countries the evil is also there..the Vatican has deep connections to Dubai..
I do like a good discussion, but I have a problem with your statements. From your statements it looks like YOU know the truth, and all that other people say is rubbish.
You're forgetting something really important here. We were given dozens of clues about Mike's "death", and NOT mainly by the MSM. If THEY are in control now, that would NOT have happened.
There's no logic in your statements either. If Mike is still controlled by the Illuminati, then why would THEY spread a message that is waking people up and fight against them?
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I believe the kids are also under mind control, the nanny is a witch worshipper(fact)
A witch worshipper ? I newer heard that before ... Where did you find that ?
Is that really true ? Where is the evidence ?
If it´s true then It´s worrying because there are "leaked" photos on youtube of what appears to be Paris and another girl said to be Spencer Malnik. There was some trouble between the Malniks and Michael Jackson before I think ?
The girl ( who looks like Paris )is doing the satanic hand sign with black painted fingernails. I hope they are only playing and it´s nothing serious.
YES, in the first MJDH forum, there was someone who made a really good description about this woman and she herself said she was a freemason..haha...this is unbelievable, Michael was sourrounded by evil...we actually dont know the real Michael..all we do is some speculation, but we must think about how clever those evil people are....Tupac although had many followers, couldnt do something about them, nor the other artists..is Michael really so intelligent to escape? did he make the plans in bahrein? But in the islamic countries the evil is also there..the Vatican has deep connections to Dubai..
Please, please, please.
1- Freemansons are not evil people
2- Black/ burgndy/ dark fingernails is a fashion going all over Europe and may be USA as well
I find every opinion respectable, but let´s get down to the ground ;)
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Basic questions:
1: is Illuminati REAL?
In various forms and in various levels, YES. Is there an actual organization called "Illuminati"? I do not know. doesn't matter. It is an idea of a NWO that is very, very real, has many different names (both real and speculated. Bilderberg Group is a confirmed organization, and others.), and in many people's opinions, very dangerous. Why? These people want control of the world, and will do anything to get it. They don't care about us, the common man/woman/child. This leads us to the next question:
2: is Mind Control real?
this is a confirmed and resounding YES. All over the world, for many millenia. over the past 60 years it has taken shape in America, and is confirmed as a govt. project. It was supposedly "shut down" years ago, but it continues. Thanks, CIA. The most well-known of these projects is MK Ultra, which has many sub-projects, and specifically the sub-project named Project Monarch, is well-known. This project in and of itself has various levels.
3: What does Michael Jackson have to do with this?
Because Michael fits all the characteristics of a MK Ultra victim. As do other siblings (specifically Janet and LaToya - females are typically "better" victims). I do not know if ALL of them are affected, however. But, the project in a family, once started, becomes multi-generational. We do not know when/where it began exactly. We do know that Joseph's own father was very hard on him, therefore this family would be a prime target due to an already established multi-generational abuse factor. Joseph (AND Katherine!) deny "beatings". Strictness, firmness, discipline, they called it. Jermaine once said "I thought it was great because..." and he goes off into something about staying away from the bad influences of neighborhood kids. Now what kid thinks such a heavy hand that Joseph had, is "great"? Joseph and Katherine deny up and down what happened to Michael. Is it possible, then, that they, too, are under "control"? Probably. And so it goes on down through the line. it is unknown at this time, how many of the current generation of Jacksons are victims of MK Ultra mind control. It would have started at birth. and the parent(s) who are victims would have no knowledge/memory of it. I think the entire family is/has been under mind control of various degrees, in my opinion. We don't know exactly how many in the Jackson family are broken free, either. I believe that Michael tried several times to break free, only to be caged again and again (reprogrammed). Now, because of the things Michael began fighting for and against, because of what he began to remember, he became a target for elimination. This would give him cause to say things like "I think they're trying to kill me", and do other things people do not completely understand.
Truth be told, we don't know WHERE he is, or WHAT exactly he is doing...or even IF he is actually alive. And if any of you are 100% certain, then more power to you. Because in order to know PRECISELY, whether or not he is alive, you must be someone among the few who is in on it. And if you ARE in on it, I know exactly why you keep yourself anonymous.
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MichaelJackson123, water is actually poissoned with legal fluoride, as well as teeth paste.
IMO he played innocently the perfect tool/victim for years, but it ended somehow, in some moment before 1993 obviously. If I´m not wrong, this was the year when he even dared to give more $ to charity than Prince Charles, when he met him and Diana.
Mmm... this was a huge demonstration of power and danger.
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Hi,
yes, water is already poisoned in several parts...
the reason why i seem to know much( which I dont think at all, but my statements are to be considered also) is that i have connected to many forums in which the "Illuminati" is being discussed..the best was the refernce in "david ickes official forum" where A LOT has been written about Mj...those people are sooooo intelligent and clever , you wont believe me...those are the real people, the real investigators..they are like detectives..
.okay maybe the fingernail thing is rubbish, but we have to pay attention wtih whom the kids hang around...
with the nanny(freemason as i heard is a good thing but only if u r an undergrader..if you go higher and higher you know..it gets dangerous...i have a friend who was part of it and escaped...)
The reason I think janet is under mind control= jermaine Dupri...had made a sacrifice....a blood sacrifice..
a long time ago i wrote with another Michaelfan, he/she was saying she was spiritually becoming aware of things...as I am not into much religion or something like that , I told her she was talking rubbish..she also did some kind of secret having...BUT
one day she saved my life....
When I was chatting with her/him, the person suddenly told me= pay attention, theres something burning...and the person was right...!!!
I think I dont need to tell you that that was the moment I really started to believe in things which before i wouldnt never had mentioned...
The person told me there are creatures out there who wnat to kill Michael spiritually...and that he is not dead...
thats why i still believe..
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Again MichaelJackson123:
You're forgetting something really important here. We were given dozens of clues about Mike's "death", and NOT mainly by the MSM. If THEY are in control now, that would NOT have happened.
There's no logic in your statements either. If Mike is still controlled by the Illuminati, then why would THEY spread a message that is waking people up and fight against them?
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Again MichaelJackson123:
You're forgetting something really important here. We were given dozens of clues about Mike's "death", and NOT mainly by the MSM. If THEY are in control now, that would NOT have happened.
There's no logic in your statements either. If Mike is still controlled by the Illuminati, then why would THEY spread a message that is waking people up and fight against them?
Maybe an excuse for martial law? they did so in the Philippines..
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has anybody ever considered the possibility that the CLUES we all believe to have been left by MJ could have been the doings of SONY? or AEG? or even the executors of the estate to create a hype around his death, and therefore bringing in millions of $$$ to anyone of the above mentioned???
i mean if u think about it, it actually makes some sense, say AEG were behind it?? they had access to the footage of THIS IS IT, it was easy for them to edit stuff to serve their purpose, like the BAM ending and "i'll be back in my own time" maybe it was something taken out of context and placed at the end of the movie... FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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has anybody ever considered the possibility that the CLUES we all believe to have been left by MJ could have been the doings of SONY? or AEG? or even the executors of the estate to create a hype around his death, and therefore bringing in millions of $$$ to anyone of the above mentioned???
i mean if u think about it, it actually makes some sense, say AEG were behind it?? they had access to the footage of THIS IS IT, it was easy for them to edit stuff to serve their purpose, like the BAM ending and "i'll be back in my own time" maybe it was something taken out of context and placed at the end of the movie... FOOD FOR THOUGHT
well, thats exactly the problem: either Michael did give us clues or his foes...the only thign we are not sure about is the FAMILY...its strange how all of them just shut up and dont say anything more..even janet(his best sibling)...strange..and the other day I saw a Latoya preparing for christmas and my Goodness , I threw up...that was soooo disgusting...to see her smiling all the time as if NOTHING happened that year...
And she calls herself TOY(My name is Toy not Latoya=huh?)..she is not mentally stable..this is for sure..
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When somebody starts becoming "aware", a lot of really WEIRD things happen. Mentally, emotionally, spiritually. It's a scary and dangerous place to be. Everything you once thought you knew...is thrown out the window. i have been able to detect things from people thousands of miles away. And say things, do things, which have no explanation. I am no witch, I never have been, never would consider it. I'm no freemason or ANYTHING. But I am telling you, I have not broken completely free yet. From whatever it is that's got me. I know a lot, more than I should, but I have to fake through life for my own safety and the safety of others. I am more or less anonymous on places like this, so I don't fake things here. I am telling you the TRUTH.
So even when there is an "awareness" happening, it doesn't mean freedom. This is only one part of me. And there is still so much I don't know. Still so much I am unsure of. Still someone out there, who has the keys to my mind.
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After all the distractions some people tried to create and tried to make you consider Mike is on the dark side I'd like to remind you of the following to bring sanity back:
The symbolism Mike used in the Black Panther video
[youtube:1y0qhlws]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKouvt2sOVY[/youtube:1y0qhlws]
His lyrics in various songs:
[youtube:1y0qhlws]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xjb3t-RLqM[/youtube:1y0qhlws]
[youtube:1y0qhlws]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RySz3AcsMs[/youtube:1y0qhlws]
[youtube:1y0qhlws]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikYMsko22_E[/youtube:1y0qhlws]
I think these four videos speak for themselves. Mike is NOT on the dark side, he is teaching us, wants us to wake up and become aware of the fact that we are boing LIED to. Don't let some people who obviously were sent to cause distraction confuse you, stay focussed!
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Mo, I do believe (as I expressed) that Mike was an innocent victim and perfect tool during the first years until certain turning point. But I think it is not bad people here setting out any kind of theory or doubting everthing. If someone misinforming or miss leading, this is as real as real life, so a little bit of trainning and learning how to recognize manipulation and miss leading means, is not that bad.
To me it´s all clear, but people must reach their own conclusions.
Don´t misunderstand me please, I agree with you.
It´s even funny that I´ve watched a documentary about brainwashing, and as I heard it´s considered brainwashing only when persuasion has a bad intention, although if you persuade for the person shake it´s not brainwashing.
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Mo, I do believe (as I expressed) that Mike was an innocent victim and perfect tool during the first years until certain turning point. But I think it is not bad people here setting out any kind of theory or doubting everthing. If someone misinforming or miss leading, this is as real as real life, so a little bit of trainning and learning how to recognize manipulation and miss leading means, is not that bad.
Hi somekindofsign,
I absolutely agree with you that it's not bad at all that people express their opinion or doubt. However, people who just come here to to create confusion, clearly having an agenda, and not a good one, that's a NO NO for me. That is what I meant with my previous post, and from your reply to me I see that you got my point...
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I don't always have time to check in on the forum so it seems that I am always playing "catch up". Somewhere along the way I've lost sight of what the orginal reasoning was for MJ (and possibly the siblings) being subjected to mind control.
In other words -- by who and for what reason was MJ being subjected to mind control? Goal?
I'm not discounting any of the theories but with all of the info, my head feels like it's going to explode and find myself unclear as to what the alleged original objective was in using MJ and for what purpose. For me, I feel that the theorie(s) have gone in so many directions that the circle needs to be closed regarding to whatever original purposes MJ was being "used" for.
I apologize in advance if this seems to be clear to others but as I stated, for me, I seem to have lost track regarding this. Maybe others have as well. I know that I post this request with some trepidation but anyway here goes....thanks.
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When somebody starts becoming "aware", a lot of really WEIRD things happen. Mentally, emotionally, spiritually. It's a scary and dangerous place to be.
Still someone out there, who has the keys to my mind.
Please, tell us about your experience or pm me if you would like to tell me more. I am very interested in reading your experience.
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When somebody starts becoming "aware", a lot of really WEIRD things happen. Mentally, emotionally, spiritually. It's a scary and dangerous place to be. Everything you once thought you knew...is thrown out the window. i have been able to detect things from people thousands of miles away. And say things, do things, which have no explanation. I am no witch, I never have been, never would consider it. I'm no freemason or ANYTHING. But I am telling you, I have not broken completely free yet. From whatever it is that's got me. I know a lot, more than I should, but I have to fake through life for my own safety and the safety of others. I am more or less anonymous on places like this, so I don't fake things here. I am telling you the TRUTH.
So even when there is an "awareness" happening, it doesn't mean freedom. This is only one part of me. And there is still so much I don't know. Still so much I am unsure of. Still someone out there, who has the keys to my mind.
JAK, this is not the first time I hear about a reaction like yours, I mean a little scared. But those things you feel are not dangerous, it´s just the way you are perceiving them. So it´s within you. What is making you feel, is not weird itself, as it´s not for many people, and they are natural forces coming forward, as always; even before all of us. Maybe it´s just that you never felt them before and we are shown to react that way. It´s like being deaf, blind and dumb.(Not talking about you, I don´t know you).
Yourself are saying so when you feel the need to say you´re not a witch. Witches? What are they? Intelligent and awake women? They knew things? We have learnt things in this adventure, haven´t we? It sounds like Jacko Wacko, witches are Jacko Wacko of the Middle Age. Discredited and burnt as they were a threat for the Elite. From now ahead we can doubt about discredited guilt.
About running the risks and anonymity, it´s been wide discussed in NWO forums. Things like we´re already controlled... I think being here, yes, is running an extra risk and I´m not talking about ECHELON, I´m talking about darkness paying attention. Each one decides. About freedom, despite what we´ve been told, Universe is run by free will, with all its consecuences.
But fearing is senseless. Just relax and don´t panic.
Human force is inscrutable ;)
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I think if Michael was with those people, when very young and immature, remember that MJ is in show business since she was a child. Was withdrawn from them caundo realized everything and good for their way of being, a person with a very pure soul as well as I do. Like Mo says, that meaning has to be the Illuminati who are giving clues and telling people they are and everything they do. For the family does not, I do not think that his mother agree to be fooling all his fans, in the sense of us believe that he is alive only by the money it represents. :geek:
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When somebody starts becoming "aware", a lot of really WEIRD things happen. Mentally, emotionally, spiritually. It's a scary and dangerous place to be. Everything you once thought you knew...is thrown out the window. i have been able to detect things from people thousands of miles away. And say things, do things, which have no explanation. I am no witch, I never have been, never would consider it. I'm no freemason or ANYTHING. But I am telling you, I have not broken completely free yet. From whatever it is that's got me. I know a lot, more than I should, but I have to fake through life for my own safety and the safety of others. I am more or less anonymous on places like this, so I don't fake things here. I am telling you the TRUTH.
So even when there is an "awareness" happening, it doesn't mean freedom. This is only one part of me. And there is still so much I don't know. Still so much I am unsure of. Still someone out there, who has the keys to my mind.
JAK, this is not the first time I hear about a reaction like yours, I mean a little scared. But those things you feel are not dangerous, it´s just the way you are perceiving them. So it´s within you. What is making you feel, is not weird itself, as it´s not for many people, and they are natural forces coming forward, as always; even before all of us. Maybe it´s just that you never felt them before and we are shown to react that way. It´s like being deaf, blind and dumb.(Not talking about you, I don´t know you).
Yourself are saying so when you feel the need to say you´re not a witch. Witches? What are they? Intelligent and awake women? They knew things? We have learnt things in this adventure, haven´t we? It sounds like Jacko Wacko, witches are Jacko Wacko of the Middle Age. Discredited and burnt as they were a threat for the Elite. From now ahead we can doubt about discredited guilt.
About running the risks and anonymity, it´s been wide discussed in NWO forums. Things like we´re already controlled... I think being here, yes, is running an extra risk and I´m not talking about ECHELON, I´m talking about darkness paying attention. Each one decides. About freedom, despite what we´ve been told, Universe is run by free will, with all its consecuences.
But fearing is senseless. Just relax and don´t panic.
Human force is inscrutable ;)
I am sorry, I am not entirely sure what you are saying here. I see a lot of words, but I am not getting the meaning.
The end part, though, I get. After initial panic, immense fear, etc., I am now much stronger. I wonder about things, sure, but I can't live my life in fear. So I don't. :)
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Just a little aside, is it me or do the smileys on this forum look like little alien heads??
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Ha ha ha
Sorry JAK, it was hard to explain, as we are starting to talk about intangible things and feelings (and English is obviously not my mother tongue). I just meant that this feelings or energies are natural and have always been there. But this world doesn´t pay attention to them or denies them, and so we´re not used to them and sometime we can react against or go on defensive, but it´s not dangerous but enriches us.
I feel happy for you feeling stronger.
I recently had a similar situation.
How was that about the five steps?
negation, negotiation, acceptance... don´t know what.
About alien heads... :lol: :shock: :lol: :shock: :lol:
(this is ET me laughing)
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Ha ha ha
Sorry JAK, it was hard to explain, as we are starting to talk about intangible things and feelings (and English is obviously not my mother tongue). I just meant that this feelings or energies are natural and have always been there. But this world doesn´t pay attention to them or denies them, and so we´re not used to them and sometime we can react against or go on defensive, but it´s not dangerous but enriches us.
I feel happy for you feeling stronger.
I recently had a similar situation.
How was that about the five steps?
negation, negotiation, acceptance... don´t know what.
About alien heads... :lol: :shock: :lol: :shock: :lol:
(this is ET me laughing)
Okay, I understand you now.
And it's very difficult to explain the dangerous part. But that's not an important place to go right now.
Eventually I will finish my little novella about some of my experiences and post it.
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I don't always have time to check in on the forum so it seems that I am always playing "catch up". Somewhere along the way I've lost sight of what the orginal reasoning was for MJ (and possibly the siblings) being subjected to mind control.
In other words -- by who and for what reason was MJ being subjected to mind control? Goal?
I'm not discounting any of the theories but with all of the info, my head feels like it's going to explode and find myself unclear as to what the alleged original objective was in using MJ and for what purpose. For me, I feel that the theorie(s) have gone in so many directions that the circle needs to be closed regarding to whatever original purposes MJ was being "used" for.
I apologize in advance if this seems to be clear to others but as I stated, for me, I seem to have lost track regarding this. Maybe others have as well. I know that I post this request with some trepidation but anyway here goes....thanks.
I apreciate this post. I think maybe it got a little overlooked. We can debate things all we want "was Michael/family under mind control, etc.?" But we must keep in mind what would be the purpose behind it? Well how can we know exactly what he was used for? Hollywood stars have for a long time been used in these projects. Both male and female. We see them mostly in the females. It's hard to know exactly what the guys are used for.
So what would the govt's purpose for Michael be? Influence, influence, influence (and probably other things)! Hollywood has a LOT of influence on the population, as we know. As a mind control slave, he would do their bidding in whatever way they wanted. But all of a sudden, Michael turned it around on them. Now Michael knew too much, and they went after him. We don't know what their purpose for him was. We may never know. If he ever comes back, he may or may not tell us what that was. it's possible that he may not even know, until he is completely reintegrated.
The circle of this question cannot close until the question of WHY? can be answered.
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"For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim. "
So said Aliester Crowley, infamous Satanist, and high ranking Mason. Crowley taught through the Freemasons of whom he was a most highly respected member about the right way to perform blood sacrifices. Crowley’s prodigy, Anton LeVay was making inroads into the Hollywood entertainment industry at top levels of influence. It is from these roots that Satanism in entertainment arose, including the music industry.
source: http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.c ... white.html (http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2010/01/mk-ultra-and-mind-control-in-white.html)
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JAK wrote:
I apreciate this post. I think maybe it got a little overlooked. We can debate things all we want "was Michael/family under mind control, etc.?" But we must keep in mind what would be the purpose behind it? Well how can we know exactly what he was used for? Hollywood stars have for a long time been used in these projects. Both male and female. We see them mostly in the females. It's hard to know exactly what the guys are used for.
So what would the govt's purpose for Michael be? Influence, influence, influence (and probably other things)! Hollywood has a LOT of influence on the population, as we know. As a mind control slave, he would do their bidding in whatever way they wanted. But all of a sudden, Michael turned it around on them. Now Michael knew too much, and they went after him. We don't know what their purpose for him was. We may never know. If he ever comes back, he may or may not tell us what that was. it's possible that he may not even know, until he is completely reintegrated.
The circle of this question cannot close until the question of WHY? can be answered.[/quote]
I think that the part that I am having trouble with is this...Yes, I get the theory that MJ (and others) are "used" for influence. But influence what? how? For me personally, I don't think that Hollywood influences me -- maybe I'm wrong.
I do tend to have a questioning mind and don't just accept things at face value, a trait that got me in trouble as a young child in parchial school when I was questioning things we were being told about our religion. I was told to just accept what we were being taught and I rebutted by telling the teacher that God gave us a mind and that I was using what he gave me. So maybe my confusion stems from the fact that I just can't relate to the concept of being "led blindly".
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@city.gal1
Maybe I can share something to help
We don’t have to go as deep as Illuminati to examine how people are influenced without even knowing that it is taking place.
I work in Marketing. Within that field, we conduct research, study customer lifestyles, preferences and spending habits. We then establish plans to basically influence the public in all aspects of their everyday life. Marketing works to encourage the public on which shampoo to use on their hair , which restaurants to dine in and everything else in between. The best marketing is the subtle form since no one wants to have anything shoved down their throats. It is most successful when customers believe that it was all their idea.
Consider gambling casinos as a classic example of how influence reaches the public:
- There are bright lights to keep the guests wide-eyed and alert.
-There are loud noises from the slot machines to inform guests that someone has hit the jackpot and how they can do it too if they keep playing a game.
- No clocks or windows are present so that guests lose track of time and forget that their early evening visit has now turned into late evening.
-Credit card and debit card machines are located throughout so that the guests will have access to money and continue gambling.
-Restrooms are located in the far reaching corners of the room and guests must walk past many game tables and slot machines as they head toward the restroom and back again.
-Alcohol is free to guests so that they can drink plenty and loosen up their inhibitions as they gamble.
Some members may have frequented casinos many times yet never realized that all of this was taking place just for them. The best influence is the soft and subtle variety that sneaks up without the target realizing that it has happened.
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JAK wrote:
I apreciate this post. I think maybe it got a little overlooked. We can debate things all we want "was Michael/family under mind control, etc.?" But we must keep in mind what would be the purpose behind it? Well how can we know exactly what he was used for? Hollywood stars have for a long time been used in these projects. Both male and female. We see them mostly in the females. It's hard to know exactly what the guys are used for.
So what would the govt's purpose for Michael be? Influence, influence, influence (and probably other things)! Hollywood has a LOT of influence on the population, as we know. As a mind control slave, he would do their bidding in whatever way they wanted. But all of a sudden, Michael turned it around on them. Now Michael knew too much, and they went after him. We don't know what their purpose for him was. We may never know. If he ever comes back, he may or may not tell us what that was. it's possible that he may not even know, until he is completely reintegrated.
The circle of this question cannot close until the question of WHY? can be answered.
I think that the part that I am having trouble with is this...Yes, I get the theory that MJ (and others) are "used" for influence. But influence what? how? For me personally, I don't think that Hollywood influences me -- maybe I'm wrong.
I do tend to have a questioning mind and don't just accept things at face value, a trait that got me in trouble as a young child in parchial school when I was questioning things we were being told about our religion. I was told to just accept what we were being taught and I rebutted by telling the teacher that God gave us a mind and that I was using what he gave me. So maybe my confusion stems from the fact that I just can't relate to the concept of being "led blindly".[/quote]
I know what you mean about questioning things, and all that. In fact I teach my children the same. They have a mind. They must use it if they are to truly learn and grow.
I remember doing the same thing in school that you did...being the constant "why?" person. And I look back, and I don't think that most of the time, the teachers themselves had the "why" answers! Something being "just is and shut up" has been repeated over the past several generations. So that is all that teachers have known, too. As such, even though I was an overall good student, I did not understand a lot of the things that were being shoved down my throat. They did not make sense. But as a result of self-teaching as an adult, I have actually learned much more than what I parroted back as a kid. And so now, if I have a "why" question, I go looking for the answers. Sometimes, it is not hard at all. Other times, it is extremely difficult.
As for Hollywood, it does not really influence me, either. it isn't something i pay much attention to or idolize. Most of These people are not role models in any shape or form; most are slaves. But, a very large portion of our population is quite fine with being led blindly, not asking why, and with Hollywood stars being the trend-setters in thought, fashion, bodies, and all kinds of things. Their influence is ENORMOUS. Teens are most susceptable to this, and so they are the target audience. If you desensitize the star to moral perversion, show them for the world to see, have the kids idolize them, therefore desensitizing THEM, then you have successfully bred a generation of desensitized, demoralized, blind robots. A people who won't see when the govt. screws with their rights and freedoms as they are taken away right under their noses.
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I have a question. Do we have any idea what other performers in the music industry are fighting the Illuminati? I feel is important to know who else may be standing with Michael against them.
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I have a question. Do we have any idea what other performers in the music industry are fighting the Illuminati? I feel is important to know who else may be standing with Michael against them.
Did you watch the Grammys..? If not, please youtube the performances...
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I have a question. Do we have any idea what other performers in the music industry are fighting the Illuminati? I feel is important to know who else may be standing with Michael against them.
Did you watch the Grammys..? If not, please youtube the performances...
hhmmm, do you mean the people who sang Earth song?
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No, I mean the entire show... Here's an example, watch and listen:
[youtube:10k61ag0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAyP64qQO6g[/youtube:10k61ag0]
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Yes, I did watch the grammys. Most performances were disturbing to say the least. However, not everyone in the audience did a spot on stage. I know there are other performers out there that want no part of the Illuminati and what it stands for. I was wondering if there is some idea of who is with Michael and who is not. John Mayer, for example. What side of the fence does he stand on?
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No, I mean the entire show... Here's an example, watch and listen:
[youtube:2l49z30z]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAyP64qQO6g[/youtube:2l49z30z]
the clip is gone whose performance was it?
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I have a question. Do we have any idea what other performers in the music industry are fighting the Illuminati? I feel is important to know who else may be standing with Michael against them.
That's a good question! I watched the Grams but I'm too dumb to tell the difference.. I think it's possible that Gaga is against them..
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I have a question. Do we have any idea what other performers in the music industry are fighting the Illuminati? I feel is important to know who else may be standing with Michael against them.
That's a good question! I watched the Grams but I'm too dumb to tell the difference.. I think it's possible that Gaga is against them..
Yes, she is demonic at best! Beyonce's performance was not much better! I found it interesting they had Stevie Nix singing with Taylor Swift, almost as if she was there watching over her. I really got a bad feeling about that. I did read this morning that Taylor Swift has started dating John Mayer. He told Larry King he had never met MJ, but was scheduled to open some of the 02 concert shows. He was adament about that and seemed to be very nervous and uncomfortable in the interview. Why would he deny any association with him unless out of fear?
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mj voice*" are you scared yet" :lol:
Yes, she is demonic at best!
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9420/all1s.jpg) (http://img229.imageshack.us/i/all1s.jpg/)
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No, I mean the entire show... Here's an example, watch and listen:
[youtube:3t964699]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAyP64qQO6g[/youtube:3t964699]
Video has been removed :cry:
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Notice the upside down pyramids in the dress:
(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/gcCyCu8_0X8l.jpg)
Notice the ear rings, one upside down pyramid and one broken pyramid:
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/9z_z38_09k7l.jpg)
Make up - upside down pyramids, and even her outfit is the shape of an upside down pyramid:
(http://www.ordoh.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/1950010q8.jpg)
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Video has been removed :cry:
Let's try again...
[youtube:1xrpy3yk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05T6nh2AOZw[/youtube:1xrpy3yk]
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try this one :
[youtube:h7h8z7ok]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05T6nh2AOZw[/youtube:h7h8z7ok]
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Thanks :)
I don´t agree with that interpretation.
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Thanks :)
I don´t agree with that interpretation.
Which one?
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About the inverted piramids.
She is also wearing the non inverted ones.
Triangles also means trinity, union of he holy spirits. Anything can be interpretated if we look for it. Negative or positive interpretations on the piramids will not lead to any truth in my opinion and also I think that misleads the real attention to the hoax.
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About the inverted piramids.
She is also wearing the non inverted ones.
Triangles also means trinity, union of he holy spirits. Anything can be interpretated if we look for it. Negative or positive interpretations on the piramids will not lead to any truth in my opinion and also I think that misleads the real attention to the hoax.
I'd like to know what your interpretation of the reason for this hoax is...
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I see this hoax in many different ways, and all of them differs from warning people of so called NWO or anti-illuminati thoughts.
I do not think or believe that the hoax has to do with it.
For me the concept of illuminati and NWO, and interpretation, stuff is more about fiction, and nothing to do with reality.
Is a fact that psychological and medical tests were runned on humans, something extremely cruel, but to see conspiracy of mind control everywhere is not the right path.
Any one can be brain washed and has nothing to do with "illuminati" or "free mansonery".
Feels like there is a need of creating an enemy, ie illuminatus or free mansons....is just not right.
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So, if you think Illuminati and NWO do not exist, and therefor it has nothing to do with this hoax, I would like to know what you think the reasons for this hoax are.
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I try to explain myself better this time :)
More than existing or not, what I meant is that NWO and Illuminati is taken out of it context to "explain"possible reasons of why MJ created a death hoax.
As I exposed my views of the possible reasons for the hoax are different and do not fit in to the iluminati/ Nwo theories.
WE would never know the real reasons why this hoax exists, only the person who started knows, that is why assuming this or that to lead people in to understanding is just not right.
About my reasons of why the hoax exists, here I point just some ( cause I have many mixed..)that I perceive after following the events;
To me, a witness protection program after a possible life threat to him or someone around him is the most reasonable thought ( and no, not by the mansons or the illuminati...) :)
as well as thinking that he is may be ill ( he could have been earlier in a coma by medical negligence) and may be he is staging his death and funeral in life to experience the L.O.V.E that people could bring to him or his family is participating as well to change the law when comes to negligent doctors, trash media and how the law approach them...any combination there to create a change in the legal system...
Other scenario that I think about is the warning on his message about saving the planet-->becoming more spiritual-->becoming united--> rewiring??
In order for any one to live a new life, one needs to close a chapter and open another. Could this mean that he needed to fake his "MJ de Pop star" death? may be, may be not.
The negative thought about it, since there is always 2 sides of the coin, that the hoax was planned by who knows who to get the supporters attention away from the fact that MJ could possibly been murdered.
Thanks for asking my reasons :)
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Thanks for explaining your thoughts. I do understand why you think like this when you leave out illuminati and NWO.
Souza and I, however, can simply not ignore the overwhelming amount of signals pointing out to MK Ultra - illuminati - NWO we found while scrutinizing Mike's life, his works and his words. In order to save the planet, the NWO has to be exposed and defeated.
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Yes, if you want to apply MK Ultra - illuminati - NWO in the hoax contest makes sense, but does not mind that is the reason of the hoax :)
However, is another point of view and is totally valid seeing from that perspective, as can be mine or anybody elses but, one needs to be minding the fear that this topic can create in people.
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I believe that there is another way mas healthy of doing spectacles, not that way so devilish. You know Gema I do not believe that they esten using these symbols about representing to the trinity or the union of the Holy Spirit. It is not a lie that there exist the illuminati and the new world order, it is listened to diary in the newscasters, they are the owners it he gives the big corporations, banks, mass media, record industry, cinematographic industry etc.
The reason for the deception, ... the truth I do not know if some day, but all these things or tracks as we want to call, I think that is not planned in a month, two months .. look how well that not everything is done, and this made for a very bright mind, I do not believe that his family has planned, of course we know the deception, but the whole plan but nothing is Michael. ;)
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@Paula
Oh, I don´t mean that they are making any symbol at all, I mean that a piramid can be interpretated in many ways.
I did not understand the part of "I believe that there is another way mas healthy of doing spectacles, not that way so devilish"
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When I speak of how "healthy", I mean better quality shows, the fact that they spend a lot of money to start the show does not have to be quality, to me such things definitely do not like (you know my opinion), As I wrote elsewhere on this symbolism, I feel a rejection of those things, Regardless of whether the one used by the Illuminati, plus such messages that I think is not good ;)
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So mo are you saying that beyonce and gaga are AGAINST them? how so? because that whole show was a bunch of rituals IMO
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Thank Paula, i got it now :)
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So mo are you saying that beyonce and gaga are AGAINST them? how so? because that whole show was a bunch of rituals IMO
Maybe they're showing us the rituals, so we'll know it's the truth.
Hey, this just hit me- if they are, they might have some role in Michael's comeback..
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Yes, if you want to apply MK Ultra - illuminati - NWO in the hoax contest makes sense, but does not mind that is the reason of the hoax :)
However, is another point of view and is totally valid seeing from that perspective, as can be mine or anybody elses but, one needs to be minding the fear that this topic can create in people.
The only fear that is dangerous is the fear of not speaking up for your own rights. This hoax is full of signs pointing towards Mind Control proograms and NWO.
The Witness Protection Program would only make sense if people really would think he is dead, but more and more people are believing he's alive. That means it becomes more clear and that is not something you would see in the WPP. They would make sure people would thought he really died.
As I am still convinced he was Dave Dave on LKL, the coma theory doesn't do it for me either. Was he ill? Yes, a lot of times over the years, that should ring some alarm bells as well. But I think he was better before he started all this, otherwise he would never be able too pull this off.
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This hoax is full of signs pointing towards Mind Control proograms and NWO.
I disagree. Those signs are the signs you want to see, are you and those who support the mind control theory the ones who point the hoax towards that point. Is your perception.
The Witness Protection Program would only make sense if people really would think he is dead.
On the contrary! If he is a witness of someone commiting crime against him or someone else, the hoax of him being dead makes sense, so he is alive.
As I am still convinced he was Dave Dave on LKL, the coma theory doesn't do it for me either. Was he ill? Yes, a lot of times over the years, that should ring some alarm bells as well. But I think he was better before he started all this, otherwise he would never be able too pull this off.
I think that he was Dave as well ;)
The coma theory:
What if crime was commited but he was saved and woke up after a week?
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No matter what is true/real, and what is false/fake, the main important thing is, Michael's safety, recovery, health, etc. If that means he never comes back to the public scene, I sincerely understand that. He knows he is loved. I think though it is very important to him, that his messages be spread and acted upon...by everyone else. We already know what they are. They are not new. endless circular speculation does not = action. Speculation, with research, and plans = the road to action.
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I do not believe one minute is this theory
Who started this theory anyway???
People seem to put us on the wrong track
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You are free to believe whatever you want Hoaxornot...
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Michael/ Mikaeel was smarter than you give him credit for and if he was 'this' puppet that You make him out to be, Why are we investigating, are all the stones unturned or did you forget those over there. Oh yeah those right there and I saw some, back there, over your shoulder. 3.2.1 you are wake!
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Michael/ Mikaeel was smarter than you give him credit for and if he was 'this' puppet that You make him out to be, Why are we investigating, are all the stones unturned or did you forget those over there. Oh yeah those right there and I saw some, back there, over your shoulder. 3.2.1 you are wake!
Sorry, but this has NOTHING to do with intelligence, have we stated anywhere that he's stupid? I don't think so.
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I've been contemplating for some time, whether I should even finish and post my story and experiences...it's soooo difficult. I just, don't think I am ready, or if I ever will be.
One thing i know, is that all this talked about in this thread, as well as my own story, is quite REAL, but what is confusing for me, is whether it's real in the here and now, or in another dimension, or another time, or within my mind, or outside my mind, or what. What is actual REALITY is extremely confusing, for someone like me, for someone like Michael. What we think is reality, may be fantasy; what we think is fantasy, may be reality. I'm not some crazed-out psycho; I'm telling you how devestating only one of many of the effects of a fractured mind can be.
If it's this way for me, imagine how it has been for Michael?
It's real...but real WHERE?
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I've been contemplating for some time, whether I should even finish and post my story and experiences...it's soooo difficult. I just, don't think I am ready, or if I ever will be.
One thing i know, is that all this talked about in this thread, as well as my own story, is quite REAL, but what is confusing for me, is whether it's real in the here and now, or in another dimension, or another time, or within my mind, or outside my mind, or what. What is actual REALITY is extremely confusing, for someone like me, for someone like Michael. What we think is reality, may be fantasy; what we think is fantasy, may be reality. I'm not some crazed-out psycho; I'm telling you how devestating only one of many of the effects of a fractured mind can be.
If it's this way for me, imagine how it has been for Michael?
It's real...but real WHERE?
God, I wish you hadn't asked that.. I absolutely pray all the time for that not to be true, but I have a feeling it could very well be.. My heart will break even harder into tiny little pieces than it did on June 25th..
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I am convinced that the Illuminati and Mind Control Program has given many signs of their manipulation, and we must understand that to defeat all this we must not be afraid to talk about it, to deepen, to bring out the terrible reality of their victims.
We must be strong and have an iron stomach to resist reading the atrocities perpetrated on victims, but if we become more numerous first understand that we are finally aware of their existence and can no longer act in secret, in shadow, to do even the evil :!:
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I've been contemplating for some time, whether I should even finish and post my story and experiences...it's soooo difficult. I just, don't think I am ready, or if I ever will be.
One thing i know, is that all this talked about in this thread, as well as my own story, is quite REAL, but what is confusing for me, is whether it's real in the here and now, or in another dimension, or another time, or within my mind, or outside my mind, or what. What is actual REALITY is extremely confusing, for someone like me, for someone like Michael. What we think is reality, may be fantasy; what we think is fantasy, may be reality. I'm not some crazed-out psycho; I'm telling you how devestating only one of many of the effects of a fractured mind can be.
If it's this way for me, imagine how it has been for Michael?
It's real...but real WHERE?
God, I wish you hadn't asked that.. I absolutely pray all the time for that not to be true, but I have a feeling it could very well be.. My heart will break even harder into tiny little pieces than it did on June 25th..
I am so sorry, I don't mean to break anyone's heart. :(
This subject is not one to tread lightly in and is not for the weak-stomached. I am going to tell you how I am surviving these days: emotional detachment from the flood of memory as I integrate into one. People can believe what they want. About me, about mind control/illuminati, whatever. It doesn't change that I am here, and that it all exists.
despite all the fame, and pomp and circumstance, Michael's life has been a living hell. I don't think any of you can really imagine, ok? Mo and Souza DID say your heart would be ripped out and thrown into the deepest pit if you delved into this. That was just touching the surface. if you don't think you can handle being told these things, this is not the place to be. i can't go into all the details, that would be not only invading his privacy, but his safety, as well as my own privacy and safety. I don't want to die. Again.
PinkTopaz I truly am sorry your heart has to be broken into more pieces. I have tried, so hard, to heal other people's hearts. You don't know how many shatters I have seen and held in my hands. Some were put back together, others, i could not help. My whole LIFE has been shattered mirrors, Michael's too. There's nothing more to shatter. To heal, we have to go through "the fire" to be whole.
What's it like, to be one? What's it like, to have continuous memory, with no gaps of time? What's it like, not to have bouts of amnesia? What's it like, not to be paralyzed by fear? What's it like, to not have Wizard of Oz and Alice in Wonderland scenarios playing themselves over and over in your head? Peter Pan grew up and left Neverland behind...what will happen to plucky little Tinkerbell that's still here? What's it like, to not die, over and over and over again? I guess in time, I will find out? That fire's gonna be hot........Lord have mercy.
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I've been contemplating for some time, whether I should even finish and post my story and experiences...it's soooo difficult. I just, don't think I am ready, or if I ever will be.
One thing i know, is that all this talked about in this thread, as well as my own story, is quite REAL, but what is confusing for me, is whether it's real in the here and now, or in another dimension, or another time, or within my mind, or outside my mind, or what. What is actual REALITY is extremely confusing, for someone like me, for someone like Michael. What we think is reality, may be fantasy; what we think is fantasy, may be reality. I'm not some crazed-out psycho; I'm telling you how devestating only one of many of the effects of a fractured mind can be.
If it's this way for me, imagine how it has been for Michael?
It's real...but real WHERE?
God, I wish you hadn't asked that.. I absolutely pray all the time for that not to be true, but I have a feeling it could very well be.. My heart will break even harder into tiny little pieces than it did on June 25th..
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I am so sorry, I don't mean to break anyone's heart. :(
This subject is not one to tread lightly in and is not for the weak-stomached. I am going to tell you how I am surviving these days: emotional detachment from the flood of memory as I integrate into one. People can believe what they want. About me, about mind control/illuminati, whatever. It doesn't change that I am here, and that it all exists.
despite all the fame, and pomp and circumstance, Michael's life has been a living hell. I don't think any of you can really imagine, ok? Mo and Souza DID say your heart would be ripped out and thrown into the deepest pit if you delved into this. That was just touching the surface. if you don't think you can handle being told these things, this is not the place to be. i can't go into all the details, that would be not only invading his privacy, but his safety, as well as my own privacy and safety. I don't want to die. Again.
PinkTopaz I truly am sorry your heart has to be broken into more pieces. I have tried, so hard, to heal other people's hearts. You don't know how many shatters I have seen and held in my hands. Some were put back together, others, i could not help. My whole LIFE has been shattered mirrors, Michael's too. There's nothing more to shatter. To heal, we have to go through "the fire" to be whole.
What's it like, to be one? What's it like, to have continuous memory, with no gaps of time? What's it like, not to have bouts of amnesia? What's it like, not to be paralyzed by fear? What's it like, to not have Wizard of Oz and Alice in Wonderland scenarios playing themselves over and over in your head? Peter Pan grew up and left Neverland behind...what will happen to plucky little Tinkerbell that's still here? What's it like, to not die, over and over and over again? I guess in time, I will find out? That fire's gonna be hot........Lord have mercy.
Oh, please don't worry about me, my suffering is the size of a chickpea next to yours! I feel so, so sorry for you, and what I meant was that my heart would be broken if Michael confirms for certain that this is what happened to him..it's hangin' in there right now. I supose the memory stuff are things people take for granted, but I'm glad I've always cherished my good memories. Does that upset you more to see people say things like that?
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I've been contemplating for some time, whether I should even finish and post my story and experiences...it's soooo difficult. I just, don't think I am ready, or if I ever will be.
One thing i know, is that all this talked about in this thread, as well as my own story, is quite REAL, but what is confusing for me, is whether it's real in the here and now, or in another dimension, or another time, or within my mind, or outside my mind, or what. What is actual REALITY is extremely confusing, for someone like me, for someone like Michael. What we think is reality, may be fantasy; what we think is fantasy, may be reality. I'm not some crazed-out psycho; I'm telling you how devestating only one of many of the effects of a fractured mind can be.
If it's this way for me, imagine how it has been for Michael?
It's real...but real WHERE?
God, I wish you hadn't asked that.. I absolutely pray all the time for that not to be true, but I have a feeling it could very well be.. My heart will break even harder into tiny little pieces than it did on June 25th..
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I am so sorry, I don't mean to break anyone's heart. :(
This subject is not one to tread lightly in and is not for the weak-stomached. I am going to tell you how I am surviving these days: emotional detachment from the flood of memory as I integrate into one. People can believe what they want. About me, about mind control/illuminati, whatever. It doesn't change that I am here, and that it all exists.
despite all the fame, and pomp and circumstance, Michael's life has been a living hell. I don't think any of you can really imagine, ok? Mo and Souza DID say your heart would be ripped out and thrown into the deepest pit if you delved into this. That was just touching the surface. if you don't think you can handle being told these things, this is not the place to be. i can't go into all the details, that would be not only invading his privacy, but his safety, as well as my own privacy and safety. I don't want to die. Again.
PinkTopaz I truly am sorry your heart has to be broken into more pieces. I have tried, so hard, to heal other people's hearts. You don't know how many shatters I have seen and held in my hands. Some were put back together, others, i could not help. My whole LIFE has been shattered mirrors, Michael's too. There's nothing more to shatter. To heal, we have to go through "the fire" to be whole.
What's it like, to be one? What's it like, to have continuous memory, with no gaps of time? What's it like, not to have bouts of amnesia? What's it like, not to be paralyzed by fear? What's it like, to not have Wizard of Oz and Alice in Wonderland scenarios playing themselves over and over in your head? Peter Pan grew up and left Neverland behind...what will happen to plucky little Tinkerbell that's still here? What's it like, to not die, over and over and over again? I guess in time, I will find out? That fire's gonna be hot........Lord have mercy.
Oh, please don't worry about me, my suffering is the size of a chickpea next to yours! I feel so, so sorry for you, and what I meant was that my heart would be broken if Michael confirms for certain that this is what happened to him..it's hangin' in there right now. I supose the memory stuff are things people take for granted, but I'm glad I've always cherished my good memories. Does that upset you more to see people say things like that?
Does it upset me to hear you say you cherish your good memories and all that? No, of course not. Don't feel too sorry for me; I'm strong. :) I'll get through everything I need to get through, and so will Michael. Will Michael make public these things about him? Of that I am not sure. When it comes down to it he'll have to decide exactly what he'll say and what he'll keep out, and people must respect that. But as far as Michael confirm what's happened to him? My dear, it is laced everywhere in the lyrics and the poetry and memoirs. He's been saying it for more than 2 decades now. Michael's prime avenue of communication is in this way, through the written word and through music, as it is for me. He doesn't actually SPEAK much. Trust me, it is SO much easier (and safer) to write about these kinds of things in a creative and "safe" way, than it is to speak out about them publically (or even privately to hardly anyone for that matter). Anyway, I better go. I should not be saying too much.
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I've been contemplating for some time, whether I should even finish and post my story and experiences...it's soooo difficult. I just, don't think I am ready, or if I ever will be.
One thing i know, is that all this talked about in this thread, as well as my own story, is quite REAL, but what is confusing for me, is whether it's real in the here and now, or in another dimension, or another time, or within my mind, or outside my mind, or what. What is actual REALITY is extremely confusing, for someone like me, for someone like Michael. What we think is reality, may be fantasy; what we think is fantasy, may be reality. I'm not some crazed-out psycho; I'm telling you how devestating only one of many of the effects of a fractured mind can be.
If it's this way for me, imagine how it has been for Michael?
It's real...but real WHERE?
God, I wish you hadn't asked that.. I absolutely pray all the time for that not to be true, but I have a feeling it could very well be.. My heart will break even harder into tiny little pieces than it did on June 25th..
! I
I am so sorry, I don't mean to break anyone's heart. :(
This subject is not one to tread lightly in and is not for the weak-stomached. I am going to tell you how I am surviving these days: emotional detachment from the flood of memory as I integrate into one. People can believe what they want. About me, about mind control/illuminati, whatever. It doesn't change that I am here, and that it all exists.
despite all the fame, and pomp and circumstance, Michael's life has been a living hell. I don't think any of you can really imagine, ok? Mo and Souza DID say your heart would be ripped out and thrown into the deepest pit if you delved into this. That was just touching the surface. if you don't think you can handle being told these things, this is not the place to be. i can't go into all the details, that would be not only invading his privacy, but his safety, as well as my own privacy and safety. I don't want to die. Again.
PinkTopaz I truly am sorry your heart has to be broken into more pieces. I have tried, so hard, to heal other people's hearts. You don't know how many shatters I have seen and held in my hands. Some were put back together, others, i could not help. My whole LIFE has been shattered mirrors, Michael's too. There's nothing more to shatter. To heal, we have to go through "the fire" to be whole.
What's it like, to be one? What's it like, to have continuous memory, with no gaps of time? What's it like, not to have bouts of amnesia? What's it like, not to be paralyzed by fear? What's it like, to not have Wizard of Oz and Alice in Wonderland scenarios playing themselves over and over in your head? Peter Pan grew up and left Neverland behind...what will happen to plucky little Tinkerbell that's still here? What's it like, to not die, over and over and over again? I guess in time, I will find out? That fire's gonna be hot........Lord have mercy.
Oh, please don't worry about me, my suffering is the size of a chickpea next to yours! I feel so, so sorry for you, and what I meant was that my heart would be broken if Michael confirms for certain that this is what happened to him..it's hangin' in there right now. I supose the memory stuff are things people take for granted, but I'm glad I've always cherished my good memories. Does that upset you more to see people say things like that?
Does it upset me to hear you say you cherish your good memories and all that? No, of course not. Don't feel too sorry for me; I'm strong. :) I'll get through everything I need to get through, and so will Michael. Will Michael make public these things about him? Of that I am not sure. When it comes down to it he'll have to decide exactly what he'll say and what he'll keep out, and people must respect that. But as far as Michael confirm what's happened to him? My dear, it is laced everywhere in the lyrics and the poetry and memoirs. He's been saying it for more than 2 decades now. Michael's prime avenue of communication is in this way, through the written word and through music, as it is for me. He doesn't actually SPEAK much. Trust me, it is SO much easier (and safer) to write about these kinds of things in a creative and "safe" way, than it is to speak out about them publically (or even privately to hardly anyone for that matter). Anyway, I better go. I should not be saying too much.
Okay, JAK, bless you! I'll still pray for Michael, and all MK victims...I know that you're definitely nicer than me, I can be bitter easily and it would make me feel so left out and frustrated to think that other people had good, solid memories and I didn't..
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This was a comment that was posted on another site regarding the Illuminati connection. At first I questioned the accuracy of the 2nd paragraph, but after re-reading it (Paris reference), IF the "hair" incident IS TRUE.... It absolutely has M.J. WRITTEN ALL OVER IT! :D
**I trust that it would've been done ONLY because Michael would want her "protected" and not due to him worrying about paternity exposure.
Re: M.J.: Was he in with the Illuminati
I'm having a "what if" moment....
What if MJ is still alive? ((I'm sure we've all seen the video of him jumping out of the van lol)) I mean, he sure is making a lot of money now that he's gone. All these shows and stuff on tv, all this publicity. What if he faked his own death as a way to get away from them? Or maybe as a way to prove to the world just how the media really controls the world? ((And now they can't do shit BUT leave him alone cause he's "dead" to the world now)) (hmmm...."interesting" angle)
I say this because something odd noticed. His daughter got her haircut after he passed away, and she picked up the hair and put it in a plastic baggy, so that no one could steal her hair and do dna tests. To me, that is something only one person would care about... and that's MJ. ((Or could be his family granting his last wishes... but they don't strike me as the type to care if it got out or not that his kids aren't really his...))
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Oh please guys, don't fall down so much......I love this webiste, it's very good to share our own ideas about the possible hoax but no, the Illuminati no please, it's a ridiculous theory and one of the most popular crap theory interntauts try to spread on the net. And the worse is, some people even believe this!
If MJ was thinking and talking about a cospiracy, or his brother was, it doesn't mean they are thinking of the Illuminati! He never said this and it's unbelievable how you can find it in his words. This way, you are ruining all the intelligent things you wrote in this site, 'cause then everything is possible! We can make up a lot of theories, they all are gonna work!
Just to remind people....ILLUMINATI DON'T EXIST! It is very very low level conversation. Historicals said these people existed till the end of 19700 max, but today there is no way! Please get real!
The reality is that when one person becomes so popular, and so powerfull like MJ in his best years, they want to destroy you. That, I believe, cause it's kind of scary and dangerous on a certain level. And I can believe thare has been a cospiracy against him, like Micheal and Jermaine said, also by the home music producers, of course. I'm sure he had lot of ennemies and he was mad at some people like Mottola.....but again, nobody talked about Illuminati.....this is out of mind.
Even if some modern rappers has referred in his songs to these "Illuminati", please notice that nowdays the word Illuminati indicates the powerfull people, like the multinationals, the politics in general. When they say things like "they wanted to destroy us" and so all, they surely refer to the crap music (or even other than music) world we live in, that's it.
Please, don't waste you time with this shit, we should focus on his real plan, if there is one....and no, I'm not one of the Illuminati who came here to discreditate your work 'cause I want you out of the way....lol!
I hope you leave people the possibility to give their advise without kicking them off, I'd like to still stay on the website that, for the rest of it, I find very interesting. Thanks
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Oh please guys, don't fall down so much......I love this webiste, it's very good to share our own ideas about the possible hoax but no, the Illuminati no please, it's a ridiculous theory and one of the most popular crap theory interntauts try to spread on the net. And the worse is, some people even believe this!
Francyna, this 'crap theory' is based on intensive research. I'd appreciate it if you do some research yourself first before talking about a ridiculous theory.
If MJ was thinking and talking about a cospiracy, or his brother was, it doesn't mean they are thinking of the Illuminati! He never said this and it's unbelievable how you can find it in his words. This way, you are ruining all the intelligent things you wrote in this site, 'cause then everything is possible! We can make up a lot of theories, they all are gonna work!
May I suggest you read Mike lyrics again, and pay some attention to the symbolism he has used for years and years in his videos..? You can find it all in his own words.
Just to remind people....ILLUMINATI DON'T EXIST! It is very very low level conversation. Historicals said these people existed till the end of 19700 max, but today there is no way! Please get real!
The illuminati STILL exists, until this very day. Again - do some research first before you tell people to "get real" please.
The reality is that when one person becomes so popular, and so powerfull like MJ in his best years, they want to destroy you. That, I believe, cause it's kind of scary and dangerous on a certain level. And I can believe thare has been a cospiracy against him, like Micheal and Jermaine said, also by the home music producers, of course. I'm sure he had lot of ennemies and he was mad at some people like Mottola.....but again, nobody talked about Illuminati.....this is out of mind.
Then I guess you missed the February 14, 2010 article published by People Magazine Daily:
Michael Jackson Murder: New Murray Tape Could Clear or Condemn Him
Sunday, February 14, 2010
By Editorial Staff
A tape of a voicemail message left by Michael Jackson’s quack doctor and murderer Conrad Murray to another patient as Michael “lay dying” has just been obtained and released to the public by News of the World today.
The tape is scheduled to be utilized by both the prosecution and defense in the murder trial against Murray.
Murray, who has pleaded not guilty to a charge of Involuntary Manslaughter Feb. 8, left a very calm-sounding 18-second message for a patient Bob Russell pertaining to his heart scan on the morning of Jackson’s death in June 2009.
“This is Doctor Murray, Bob. Hi, how are you? Um, sorry I missed you. Just wanted to talk to you about your results of the EECP. You did quite well on the study. We would love to continue to see you as a patient even though I may have to be absent from my practice for, uh, because of an overseas sabbatical,” he said in the message.
Hear the message HERE
The bizarre fact is that the call took place at 11:54 am PST, which was the same time Los Angeles police claim Murray was frantically performing CPR on Jackson in his bedroom after administering the strong anesthetic Propofol.
A source close to the Murray team told NOTW: “It’s clear from the voicemail that Murray is not a man who sounds frantic, worried or in a stressful position.
“But if the police’s timeline is correct, then he would have been almost an hour into giving Jackson CPR.”
Murray’s attorney Ed Chernoff seeks to discredit the police’s initial interviews with his client in order to convince a jury that they mishandled the questioning.
Los Angeles detectives’ documents filed in July 2009, state Murray told them he administered Propofol to Jackson, then left to use the toilet for about two minutes, and when he returned, he found Jackson unconscious.
Police court documents state Murray was on his cellphone for 47 minutes after 11 am.
Another document states Murray told them Jackson “stopped breathing” at around 11 am.
When Jackson’s bodyguard Alberto Alvarez made a 911 call, he said Murray was performing CPR on the musician at around 12:21 pm.
“Murray’s lawyers know he gave Michael Propofol and understand that killed him. But just what happened in that room in those few hours Michael was last alive will be the key battleground,” NOTW’s source said.
The detective documents, time-lines and the two other calls Murray made between 11 and 12 that morning, will be at the centre of his defence.
The L.A. District Attorney’s Office, through homicide detectives Smith and Martinez, say Murray never informed them of these calls.
“The fact that Murray made this call and didn’t tell the police about it may be useful to the prosecution,” said another source to NOTW.
“Basically, it shows he was being evasive and had something to hide. Why would you not tell the police about every single thing you had done during those crucial moments when Michael Jackson was dying?”
The prosecution may argue that this call to patient Russell shows that Murray was not in that room or aware of Jackson’s complications.
A theory is that Murray knew Jackson was dead and was creating an alibi by making routine patient calls.
The Jackson family has stated they believe Murray was an accomplice in an evil cabal, possibly connected to Freemasons and the Illuminati cult, and plot against Michael to drug, control and murder him for monetary gain.
Even if some modern rappers has referred in his songs to these "Illuminati", please notice that nowdays the word Illuminati indicates the powerfull people, like the multinationals, the politics in general. When they say things like "they wanted to destroy us" and so all, they surely refer to the crap music (or even other than music) world we live in, that's it.
And who run the multinationals..? Who runs politics..? Again, please do some research...
Please, don't waste you time with this shit, we should focus on his real plan, if there is one....and no, I'm not one of the Illuminati who came here to discreditate your work 'cause I want you out of the way....lol!
I hope you leave people the possibility to give their advise without kicking them off, I'd like to still stay on the website that, for the rest of it, I find very interesting. Thanks
We don't kick or ban people for airing an opinion. I however urge you to research the illuminati. Like you, I have rejected it up until the moment I started digging, I thought people were talking about guys in black cloaks, as described in Dan Brown's books. I was shocked to come to the conclusion that the illuminati is very real, still exists and has their own agenda to rule the world. This is no shit like you describe it, but as long as people like yourself refuse to do some research about illuminati, mind control and new world order, they can carry on with their plans. I am convinced that exposing these suckers IS Mike's real plan.
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Francyna, this 'crap theory' is based on intensive research. I'd appreciate it if you do some research yourself first before talking about a ridiculous theory.
Buy Mo, believe me, I've read enough about the Illuminati and I cannot think about a secret society. I do think that powerfull people have evil plans, I do believe that, I told you, but please, a secret society whose symbol is Satan, the eye, the pyramid, which comes from the aliens and who want to put cheaps in our heads....how can you believe that??
May I suggest you read Mike lyrics again, and pay some attention to the symbolism he has used for years and years in his videos..? You can find it all in his own words.
Like what, thay don't care about us? does he say Illuminati or secret society? Cause if he does, I've missed it. He just talks about the fact that the powerfull people of this planet don't care about poor and innocent people and just think about his own purposes, and money....which is something we all know and Michael cared about a lot. I don't see the reference....if you are talking about the eye on the wall, it's very irrelevant to me.
The illuminati STILL exists, until this very day. Again - do some research first before you tell people to "get real" please.
I already ansewered.
Then I guess you missed the February 14, 2010 article published by People Magazine Daily:
Just one thing: what is your source, the PEOPLE MAGAZINE DAILY??? Sorry, you use a tabloid as a source but on the mean time, you think historians and experts , saying the Illuminati is crap, THEY are saying lot of BS....to me sound a bit strange,sorry...
And who run the multinationals..? Who runs politics..? Again, please do some research...
YEs of course, THEY are among us and we don't see them....all the big politics and the multinationals are run by them...with the only goal to control our mind and celebrate satan....ok, maybe you're right, what can I say.
We don't kick or ban people for airing an opinion. I however urge you to research the illuminati. Like you, I have rejected it up until the moment I started digging, I thought people were talking about guys in black cloaks, as described in Dan Brown's books. I was shocked to come to the conclusion that the illuminati is very real, still exists and has their own agenda to rule the world. This is no shit like you describe it, but as long as people like yourself refuse to do some research about illuminati, mind control and new world order, they can carry on with their plans. I am convinced that exposing these suckers IS Mike's real plan.
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I gave only my advise, obviously if you guys are so convinced, you'll carry on with this, but I think you'll change your mind later, when you realize how absurde this is.
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No, I will not change my mind, no matter how hard you try.
I'm even more convinced of the illuminati and their agenda by the recent events world wide. If you think it's all crap then feel free to do so, but don't come knocking on my door later on when you realize it was all out there for you to see and you chose to ridicule it.
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No, I will not change my mind, no matter how hard you try.
I'm even more convinced of the illuminati and their agenda by the recent events world wide. If you think it's all crap then feel free to do so, but don't come knocking on my door later on when you realize it was all out there for you to see and you chose to ridicule it.
Ok, this shows that you're convinced.
I don't want to upset you, I really think this site is very well done, and if you're right, good for you and the whole thing.
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The Jackson family has stated they believe Murray was an accomplice in an evil cabal, possibly connected to Freemasons and the Illuminati cult,
My God. That´s ridiculous.
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The Jackson family has stated they believe Murray was an accomplice in an evil cabal, possibly connected to Freemasons and the Illuminati cult,
My God. That´s ridiculous.
Why is it ridiculous?
There is so much evidence that things are being controlled beyond what most of us are aware of or can even conceive of and accept.
A conspiracy is:
* a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act
* a plot to carry out some harmful or illegal act (especially a political plot)
* a group of conspirators banded together to achieve some harmful or illegal purpose
A theory is:
* A coherent statement or set of statements that attempts to explain observed phenomena
* A concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena
Just because you have been taught that, this explanation of what may be occurring in the world around you, is "ridiculous" doesn't mean that it is false. It could mean that you are being deceived. I suggest you research for yourself and lose the cognitive dissonance.
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I did my research already.
I don´t buy the evil cabal, possibly connected to Freemasons and the Illuminati.
Freemansons are not that evil, believe me.
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I did my research already.
I don´t buy the evil cabal, possibly connected to Freemasons and the Illuminati.
Freemansons are not that evil, believe me.
Sorry, I have done my own research and though the lower levels of freemasonry may be totally unaware of what is really involved. Those in the lower levels don't have any idea what really goes on, Freemasonry is on a "need to know" basis, you only learn more as you move up in the degrees. "Secret Society" dear Gema.The higher levels are into the occult, satanic worship, esoteric knowledge and many other naughty things.
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I did my research already.
I don´t buy the evil cabal, possibly connected to Freemasons and the Illuminati.
Freemansons are not that evil, believe me.
Sorry, I have done my own research and though the lower levels of freemasonry may be totally unaware of what is really involved. Those in the lower levels don't have any idea what really goes on, Freemasonry is on a "need to know" basis, you only learn more as you move up in the degrees. "Secret Society" dear Gema.The higher levels are into the occult, satanic worship, esoteric knowledge and many other naughty things.
In my knowledge, the humanistic approach has nothing to do with satanic worshipping. The aim for the freemanson is to grow as a human being spiritually but accepting the concept of a higher supreme being, which in the case I am talking about, is God.
I don´t know from where your research come from, but Freemansonery, as it is understood in Sweden i.e independently from the level, it is not a dark satanic wordshipping society.
Scientology harms people, they do, not Freemansons.
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I did my research already.
I don´t buy the evil cabal, possibly connected to Freemasons and the Illuminati.
Freemansons are not that evil, believe me.
Sorry, I have done my own research and though the lower levels of freemasonry may be totally unaware of what is really involved. Those in the lower levels don't have any idea what really goes on, Freemasonry is on a "need to know" basis, you only learn more as you move up in the degrees. "Secret Society" dear Gema.The higher levels are into the occult, satanic worship, esoteric knowledge and many other naughty things.
In my knowledge, the humanistic approach has nothing to do with satanic worshipping. The aim for the freemanson is to grow as a human being spiritually bu accepting the concept of a hugher supreme being, which in the case I am talking about, is God.
I don´t know from where your research come from, but Freemansonery, as it is understood in Sweden i.e independently from the level, it is not a dark satanic wordshipping society.
Scientology harms people, they do, not Freemansons.
A quote from the November 1969 issue of the "The New Age Magazine", the official magazine of the Supreme Council 33° A.&A. Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern Jurisdiction, Washington, D.C.
Page 15 - 16
“The mission of the Craft has always been one of salvation, but until now its field of endeavor was the individual and the bringing of him to the light. Masonry cannot think in these terms now. All men everywhere must hear our message or all men everywhere will perish”
The Craft
* skill in an occupation or trade
* shrewdness as demonstrated by being skilled in deception
* Witchcraft, in various historical, anthropological, religious and mythological contexts, is the use of supernatural or magical powers.
The Light
Lucifer is a Latin word (from the words lucem ferre), literally meaning "light-bearer", which in that language is used as a name for the dawn appearance of the planet Venus, heralding daylight. Use of the word in this sense is uncommon in English, in which "Day Star" or "Morning Star" are more common expressions.
In English, "Lucifer" generally refers to the Devil, although the name is not applied to him in the New Testament. The use of the name "Lucifer" in reference to a fallen angel stems from an interpretation of Isaiah 14:3–20, a passage that speaks of a particular Babylonian King, to whom it gives the title of "Day Star", "Morning Star" (in Latin, lucifer), as fallen or destined to fall from the heavens or sky. In 2 Peter 1:1and elsewhere, the same Latin word lucifer is used to refer to the Morning Star, with no relation to the devil. However, in post-New Testament times the Latin word Lucifer has often been used as a name for the devil, both in religious writing and in fiction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
So are they bringing the individual to "The Light" aka Lucifer?
Please don't forget that though the "light" can refer to God's light, that the opposite mocks god and uses trickery by implementing similar things. If you believe in God, then the devil must also exist besides it doesn't really matter what we each believe in this context, what matters is what "they" believe.
"All men everywhere must hear our message or all men everywhere will perish"
What is this message and why will we perish if we refuse to accept it? seems pretty ominous to me...
Candidates for regular Freemasonry are required to declare a belief in a Supreme Being. However,the candidate is not asked to expand on, or explain, his interpretation of Supreme Being. The discussion of politics and religion is forbidden within a Masonic Lodge, in part so a Mason will not be placed in the situation of having to justify his personal interpretation.
Also from the 25 LANDMARKS OF FREEMASONRY
18. That every candidate for initiation mus be a man, free born and of lawful age.
No slaves or those born into slavery.
19. That every Mason must believe in the existence of God as the Grand Architect of the Universe.
Which God, it is already stated that the supreme being doesn't have to be defined.
20. That every Mason must believe in resurrection to a future life.
23. That Freemasonry is a secret society in possession of secrets that cannot be divulged.
So do you really think that you would be told the truth? and as I said you only learn about the true nature of this all at the higher levels.
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Not to me, considering in which context Freemansonnery was born.
The "illuminatus" makes reference to the englightment period which opposed to the religious beliefs existing then. Men thinking by their own, needing to hide because their teachings and human approach to evolve was considered a blasphemy.
In my experience and research, I am not awared of those dark sides within Freemansonery. All the articles refering to it are out of context and I get the impression that their agenda is to create fear and miss guide people.
The positive thing of this discussion is that both sides are being exposed, the one believing in the dark manners within Freemansonery and the one discrediting that theory ;)
It doesn´t matter how many articles "exposing" devil wordshipping are out there. At the end, the aim of the source is to convince the readers about that thought.
People will do their research having both sides to chose from, taking the side that will suit each one of them accordinly to their beliefs and backround.
On the Michael note, just to say that I know how the discipline of mind control and it experiments were performed in the past, and now, by brain washing people and breaking their minds down, but I also believe that it is happening every day in our society with no need of the "freemansons or illuminati".
We differ in opinions. Both have expressed our points.
You are always welcome to expose your information and knowledge. Even If I sound lost in in the translation, I do read them all ;)
From now on I guess will just be to agree or disagree. :)
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We may state again it is all a matter of standpoint, angle and horizon.
Meaning where we are, where we look, how far we look.
The variety of standpoints, angles and horizons are precious and very special on this forum.
This is global strive for knowledge worth a standing ovation.
Let's not forget that the U.S. were formed by strangers coming from Europe to that continent with a lot of different histories, cultures, expectations, perceptions and that entering the wild and building from scratch was only feasible for the strongest. (Does not mean any value in either direction, don't get me wrong here.)
The U.S. have a relativley short history (not taking into account the history of native Americans which has been neglected by the migrant Americans for many reasons). What was built into the U.S. history as we know it today was originating from different roots in Europe and Africa.
The Enlightenment is a phase in Europe's history that took place as a reaction to dictatorship and emprisonment of thought and speech. This was the prerequisite to modern Europe and modern U.S. as we know it today. The Age of Enlightenment started in 1600 and ended around the French revolution of 1789 and the beginning of the Napoleon wars.
Freemasonry was a form of organizing the educated and important persons (important to the functioning of a society in terms of professions and roles in division of labour). Freemasonry was about liberty, fraternity, and equality (which were not common these days, thus a goal).
What the U.S. may have made out of the imported ideas of Enlightenment and Freemasonry is nothing that I can overview. Per se, Enlightenment and Freemasonry are essential steps within the European history without whom Europe and the U.S. would not have developped the idea of freedom in its today existing connotation. If you dig deeper into that age, Enlightenment and Freemasonry were necessary to bring values such as human rights and information distribution to all persons into life.
I cannot judge what has been made of the origins and how the good of it may have been abused on the way to today's reality.
Original European, African and Asian fairy tales, too, do have nothing in common with Disney movies. Maybe we should go back to the roots to get a clearer view.
In Europe in the understanding of what it was about at the time, neither Enlightenment nor Freemasonry are having a negative taste and many sources on Freemasonry are available to the public.
Btw, today Rotary and Lion's Club are not very far from the original ideas of Freemasonry.
Read on the origins of Enlightenment / Freemasonry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment
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We may state again it is all a matter of standpoint, angle and horizon.
Meaning where we are, where we look, how far we look.
The variety of standpoints, angles and horizons are precious and very special on this forum.
This is global strive for knowledge worth a standing ovation.
Let's not forget that the U.S. were formed by strangers coming from Europe to that continent with a lot of different histories, cultures, expectations, perceptions and that entering the wild and building from scratch was only feasible for the strongest. (Does not mean any value in either direction, don't get me wrong here.)
The U.S. have a relativley short history (not taking into account the history of native Americans which has been neglected by the migrant Americans for many reasons). What was built into the U.S. history as we know it today was originating from different roots in Europe and Africa.
The Enlightenment is a phase in Europe's history that took place as a reaction to dictatorship and emprisonment of thought and speech. This was the prerequisite to modern Europe and modern U.S. as we know it today. The Age of Enlightenment started in 1600 and ended around the French revolution of 1789 and the beginning of the Napoleon wars.
Freemasonry was a form of organizing the educated and important persons (important to the functioning of a society in terms of professions and roles in division of labour). Freemasonry was about liberty, fraternity, and equality (which were not common these days, thus a goal).
What the U.S. may have made out of the imported ideas of Enlightenment and Freemasonry is nothing that I can overview. Per se, Enlightenment and Freemasonry are essential steps within the European history without whom Europe and the U.S. would not have developped the idea of freedom in its today existing connotation. If you dig deeper into that age, Enlightenment and Freemasonry were necessary to bring values such as human rights and information distribution to all persons into life.
I cannot judge what has been made of the origins and how the good of it may have been abused on the way to today's reality.
Original European, African and Asian fairy tales, too, do have nothing in common with Disney movies. Maybe we should go back to the roots to get a clearer view.
In Europe in the understanding of what it was about at the time, neither Enlightenment nor Freemasonry are having a negative taste and many sources on Freemasonry are available to the public.
Btw, today Rotary and Lion's Club are not very far from the original ideas of Freemasonry.
Read on the origins of Enlightenment / Freemasonry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment
Totally with you.
I also agree with the Lion's being similar, but not negative. My cousin is president of a very important part of Lion's italian club and I've been very close to them in the past. It works a bit like a sect, somebody part of it has to introduce you (otherwise you cannot access) and you also have to be accepted.
In the reality, it's very difficult to be integrated if you don't come from their background (very high level society). I personally tried for a bit but never felt part of their group, nor wanted to be really.
But they work very much for the community, they do lot of charity events and there is nothing of secret or negative in it.
Now of course, there must be lot of powerful groups that dictate their rules everywhere . But I cannot see the connection with Freemasonery and esotherism in whatsoever way.
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We may state again it is all a matter of standpoint, angle and horizon.
Meaning where we are, where we look, how far we look.
Agree.
Freemasonry was a form of organizing the educated and important persons (important to the functioning of a society in terms of professions and roles in division of labour). Freemasonry was about liberty, fraternity, and equality (which were not common these days, thus a goal).
That´s right
Per se, Enlightenment and Freemasonry are essential steps within the European history without whom Europe and the U.S. would not have developped the idea of freedom in its today existing connotation.
Also true
In Europe in the understanding of what it was about at the time, neither Enlightenment nor Freemasonry are having a negative taste and many sources on Freemasonry are available to the public.
I may also add, that even if to become a part of the fraternity one may be reccomended by another brother/ member or have a specific "blood line" to join, anybody with interest may apply as well. It is not a closed society.
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It works a bit like a sect, somebody part of it has to introduce you (otherwise you cannot access) and you also have to be accepted.
It is true what you wrote, but I would no defined as a cult or sect in the negative meaning of the word.
In the reality, it's very difficult to be integrated if you don't come from their background (very high level society).
That is totally right. At times, you can read or see videos in youtube from people who I wonder if they are serious when talking about their levels withing a brotherhood or their experiences, since not every one is accepted to join. I am talking about serious commited ones, not the pseudo fraternities using freemansonnery as a screen for their nonsense rituals.
But they work very much for the community, they do lot of charity events and there is nothing of secret or negative in it.
True
Now of course, there must be lot of powerful groups that dictate their rules everywhere . But I cannot see the connection with Freemasonery and esotherism in whatsoever way.
There can be an "esotheristic" approach or let´s call it, holistic ;). The aim is to grow spiritually as a human being. In resume, "Renaissance" approach.
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Freemasonry was a form of organizing the educated and important persons (important to the functioning of a society in terms of professions and roles in division of labour). Freemasonry was about liberty, fraternity, and equality (which were not common these days, thus a goal).
Indeed, with emphasis on WAS.
In the main, the Freemasons have mutated into an organization that is NOT good, with few exceptions here and there.
Many of the original precepts of the masonic orders that come from as far back as you can get are lost.
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Indeed, with emphasis on WAS.
In the main, the Freemasons have mutated into an organization that is NOT good, with few exceptions here and there.
Those are not legit brotherhoods. Those you talk about are pseudo hanky panky "whatever" organizations covering up with a name that has nothing to do with the concept.
Many of the original precepts of the masonic orders that come from as far back as you can get are lost.[/b]
No, they are not lost. They are the ones existing now a days.
The rest are not legit.
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Gema, I'd say: we agree to disagree... ;)
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Thank you, Grace and Gema, for your factual explanations and statements!
I very much appreciate high standard exchange of information ...
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Oh, thanks ;)
(btw, i notice, I spell like hell..)
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Depending on the ideological viewpoint, these guys can be regarded as:
-An international group of extremely elitist lobbying and with much power to guide international policy.
-An innocent group discussion involving politicians, intellectuals and powerful investors.
-A secret capitalist society that defends their interests and Iliad intrigues and machinations to ensure the domination of the world.
I remain with the first and third option. 8-)
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Main Page on Cults.
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The Maze of Masonry
Should a Christian be a Mason?
by Dr. David R. Reagan
In the mid-1980's I was holding a meeting at a large church in Lexington, Kentucky, when I received a phone call at my motel from one of the church members. The caller identified himself as one of our radio listeners. He said he had heard a broadcast of mine about Masonry, and he wanted to talk with me about it. He asked if he could come to my room for a visit, and I agreed.
When he arrived, he shared with me an incident that had happened at his church. One of the assistant pastors had been teaching a course on the cults. One Sunday morning as he concluded his lesson, he announced, "Next week we will conclude our study of the cults by taking a look at the Masons."
My visitor said he was dumbfounded by this announcement. "I immediately protested," he said. "I told him I was a Mason, and I did not consider the organization to be cultic in nature."
"Well," the teacher responded, "I really don't know that much about it. I'm just presenting the material in my teacher's manual."
After discussing the matter back and forth for a few minutes, the teacher made an offer: "I'll tell you what," he said, "next week I'll present my material and then I will give you half the class time to present your rebuttal."
My visitor said he accepted the offer and went to work immediately studying Masonry.
I asked what he meant by "studying Masonry."
He replied that although he had been a Mason many years, he knew almost nothing about the fundamental beliefs of the organization.
When I asked how that could be, he explained that he had simply bought each of his Masonic degrees without doing any study.
"What happened next?" I asked.
He said he started his research by reading the Kentucky Masonic handbook. "When I got to page 95, I put the book down, repented before God for ever becoming a Mason, took a hammer and beat my Masonic ring to a pulp, and then sent a letter of resignation to my lodge."
"Wow!" I replied. "What in the world was on page 95?"
At that point, he handed me the handbook and told me I could keep it. I immediately turned to page 95 and found the following paragraph:1
"Masonry makes no profession of Christianity... but looks forward to the time when the labor of our ancient brethren shall be symbolized by the erection of a spiritual temple... in which there shall be but one altar and one worship; one common altar of Masonry on which the Veda [Hinduism], Shastras [Buddhism], Sade [Astrology], Zend-Avesta [Zoroastrianism], Koran [Islam], and Holy Bible shall lie untouched by sacrilegious hands, and at whose shrine the Hindoo (sic), the Persian, the Assyrian, the Chaldean, the Egyptian, the Chinese, the Mohammedan, the Jew, and the Christian may kneel and with one united voice celebrate the praises of the Supreme Architect of the Universe."
Notice how this paragraph equates the Bible with the pagan scriptures and then asserts it is possible to obtain salvation through any religion. In short, this paragraph refutes the Gospel which maintains that "there is salvation in no other name under heaven except the name of Jesus" (Acts 4:12).
How could any Christian give his allegiance to an organization whose beliefs make a mockery of the Gospel? And yet, thousands of professing Christians, even many pastors and elders, have done so by becoming Masons.
The Nature of Masonry: Fraternal Order or Religion?
Masonry is a fraternal, social, and service organization. But it is more. It is also a religious organization.
The Masons nearly always deny this in their public statements, but their official literature and their actions make it clear that Masonry is a religion. They require a belief in God — any god — as a condition of membership. They have published a Masonic Bible that contains special study guides. They conduct funerals for their members. Most important (as we shall see later), their official, non-public literature is filled with religious doctrine.
Coil's Masonic Encyclopedia, considered to be the most authoritative and influential Masonic book today,2 states point blank that "Freemasonry is undoubtedly a religion."3 In Albert G. Mackey's Manual of the Lodge he says: "As Masons we are taught never to begin any great or important undertaking without first invoking the blessing and protection of deity, and this is because Masonry is a religious institution."4 In another of his books, Mackey (considered the third most influential Masonic writer5) declares that "the religion of Masonry is cosmopolitan and universal."6
The greatest Masonic writer of all times, Albert Pike, argued that "every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion."7 He further stated, "Masonry is... the universal, eternal, immutable religion, such as God planted in the heart of universal humanity."8
Personal Experience
Some personal experiences have convinced me that many Masons look upon the Masonic Order as their church, or perhaps more appropriately, as their ticket to Heaven.
This conclusion is based upon the letters I received from the wives of Masons during the 22 years I had a nationwide radio program (1980-2002). Every time I would broadcast a series of radio programs about Masonry, I would receive a flood of letters from wives expressing deep concern about their husbands' involvement in the organization.
The letters read like a broken record. Over and over the same sentiment was expressed: "My husband is a Mason. He claims to be a Christian. Yet he never studies his Bible, rarely prays, and attends church with me only two or three times a year. But he never misses a Masonic meeting."
Another experience that I vividly remember occurred at a church in Indiana in the late 1980's. When I arrived to conduct a prophecy conference for them, I noticed a large chart in the foyer. A number of people were standing around studying the chart.
When I asked what it was all about, a man who introduced himself as one of the elders, explained that the pastor had called for a 24 hour prayer vigil at the church in behalf of the conference. On the chart were the names of dozens of people who had signed up to come to the church to pray for 30 minutes, day and night. I was impressed.
I turned to the elder and asked, "Where is your name on the chart?"
"Oh, it's not there," he said. "You see, last night was my Masonic lodge meeting, so I couldn't be here to pray."
The Nature of Masonry: Is it a Cult?
As we shall see, the Masonic Order has definite cultic characteristics, but it is not a classic cult because it does not require membership in it only, to the exclusion of all other groups or churches. In fact, Masons are encouraged to be an active member of a local church.
This distinctive feature of Masonry has given the organization far more influence within Christendom than all the recognized cults put together.
Rather than labeling Masonry a cult, I prefer to call it a false religion, and I think I can prove that assertion.
Church Prohibitions
Many Christian denominations have recognized the cultic nature of Masonry and have taken decisive steps to retard its influence among their members. For example, the Missouri Synod of the Lutheran Church prohibits Masons from becoming members of their church. Likewise, the Nazarene Church has banned from its membership any person who is a member of a secret organization like the Masons.
The Catholic Church has also taken a strong stand against Masonry. Ever since 1728 Catholics have been prohibited from joining the Masons. That stance was reaffirmed by the Vatican in 1984 with a pronouncement that any Catholic who joins the Masons is "in a state of grave sin and cannot partake in Holy Communion."9
The British Methodist Church also condemned Masonry at its General Assembly in 1985. The Assembly acted on a report of its Faith and Order Committee. That report, entitled "Freemasonry & Methodism," outlined the occultic nature of Masonry in detail. The report concluded with these words: "There is a great danger that the Christian who becomes a Freemason will find himself compromising his Christian beliefs or his allegiance to Christ, perhaps without realizing what he is doing."10
Many other denominations, both in the United States and abroad, have passed resolutions condemning Masonry as un-Christian in nature. Groups here in America include the Wesleyan Methodist Church, the Assemblies of God, the Evangelical Mennonite Church, the Christian Reformed Church, the General Association of Regular Baptists, the Greek Orthodox Church, and the Presbyterian Church in America — among others.11
The glaring omission, of course, is the Southern Baptists, and this is a very serious matter because many Southern Baptists, including pastors and deacons, are also Masons.
Many Southern Baptists who strongly oppose Masonry were able to get a resolution passed at their 1992 convention which asked their membership to avoid association with organizations that operate in secret and which espouse doctrines that conflict with clear biblical teaching.12
Even though Masonry was not specifically mentioned in this resolution, its wording infuriated Masons, and they went to work to override it. Thousands of Christian Masons were encouraged to attend the 1993 convention. A special publication was issued that showed Baylor University officials on the cover wearing their Masonic regalia. The publication declared that "Masonry is perfectly compatible with the classic Protestant belief in justification by faith."13
During the interim leading up to the 1993 convention, a special committee studied the issue and released an incredible report in which it admitted that there were things about Masonry that were pagan, unscriptural, and in conflict with basic Christian beliefs, but recommended nonetheless that membership in the Masonic Order "be a matter of personal conscience." The convention adopted this recommendation.14
A Personal Observation
In light of the strong bans against Masonic membership that have been pronounced by many Christian denominations, I want to make one thing very clear before I proceed. I am not advocating that Masons be kicked out of their local churches. I know many fine Christian men who are Masons. Most of them are in the Masonic Order for business contacts or social purposes or because it is a family heritage. Most of them do not pay any attention to the organization's religious teachings. In fact, most are probably ignorant of what Masonry teaches about God.
In other words, I believe it is possible for a person who is ignorant of Masonry's religious teachings to be both a Mason and a Christian. But I do not believe a person can be an informed Mason and a committed Christian at the same time.
I have concluded that because of Masonry's cultic characteristics and its totally false religious doctrines, a Christian who is a Mason can never grow to his full potential in Christ. For this reason, I believe that no Mason should be put in a position of leadership in a local church. How can any person serve effectively as a Christian spiritual leader when he has compromised his commitment to Christ by participating in a cult-like organization that promotes a false religion?
Cultic Characteristics
What are the cultic characteristics of Masonry? Two which cannot be denied by any Mason are the requirement of secrecy and the taking of oaths.
Masonry is a secret organization. Ask any Mason what goes on at his meetings, and he will start evading your questions. He is sworn to secrecy. This is a classic characteristic of cultic groups, and it is an attitude that stands in opposition to Scripture. The Bible says: "Everyone who does evil hates the light and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God" (John 3:20-21).
The irony in all this is that, in actuality, the Masonic Order really does not have any secrets because thousands of men have come out of Masonry and have exposed all its "secrets" in many publications. These revelations have shed light on a second cultic feature.
Blood Oaths
Every Mason is required to take three blood oaths.15 For example, in the first degree of Masonry, as an Entered Apprentice, the person is required to place a curse on himself by swearing an oath that he will bind himself "under no less penalty than to have my throat cut across and my tongue torn out by the roots... so help me God."
It is incredible that the name of God would be invoked in such a demonic oath, particularly when the Bible commands us not to take any oaths at all: "Do not swear at all... simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes' and your 'No' be 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one" (Matthew 5:34-37).
At the second degree, the Fellow Craft level, the Mason swears "to have my left breast torn open and my heart and vitals taken from thence and thrown over my left shoulder... if ever I should prove willfully guilty of violating any part of this my solemn oath or obligation... so help me God."
The third degree Master Mason swears "to have my body severed in two in the midst, and divided to the north and south, and my bowels burnt to ashes in the center, and the ashes scattered before the four winds of heaven... were I ever to prove willfully guilty of violating any part of this solemn oath... so help me God."
No Christian has any business putting himself under such oaths, even if they are not taken seriously. God takes them seriously, and so does Satan.
Further, in the case of married men, these oaths create a barrier to the marriage relationship because they put the Mason under an obligation to refrain from revealing his Masonic activities to his wife.
Also, in these oaths, absolute allegiance is pledged to all fellow Masons, many of whom do not even confess Jesus as Christ. This violates Scripture, for we are commanded not to yoke ourselves with unbelievers, "for what fellowship does darkness have with light?" (2 Corinthians 6:14).
The Different Levels of Masonry
In addition to the three oaths above that are required of all Masons, there are many other demonic oaths that are required should a person desire to go further in Masonry.
Most Masons are content to remain a third degree, Master Mason. Few venture beyond that point because each degree thereafter is expensive to obtain. But those who desire to go further have two choices. They can either pursue the Scottish Rite which advances by numerical degrees, beginning with the fourth and ending with the 32nd (the 33rd degree is honorary). Or they can seek to achieve the degree of Knights Templar by following the York Rite and its named degrees.
Both a 32nd degree Mason and a Knights Templar are eligible to become a Shriner. The Shriners are the most conspicuous part of Masonry. They wear red fez hats and ride motorcycles in parades. They are commonly referred to by other Masons as "the party animals of Freemasonry." Tom McKenney, who became one of the top leaders of Masonry before he found the Lord, states that the initiation ceremonies for Shriners are particularly childish, rowdy, and often vulgar and degrading.16
Most people are not aware of the fact that the Shrine is the Islamic expression of Freemasonry, making it clearly anti-Christian. The full name is "Ancient Arabic Order, Nobles of the Mystic Shrine," and everything about the Shrine is based on the Muslim faith and Arabic symbolism.
Other Demonic Oaths
All Shriners are required to take an oath in which they make several promises. They conclude the oath by saying that if they should ever break any of their promises, "may I incur the fearful penalty of having my eyeballs pierced to the center with a three-edged blade, my feet flayed, and... may Allah, the god of Arab Moslem and Mohammedan, the god of our fathers, support me to the entire fulfillment of the same, Amen." This is said by the candidate while he is kneeling before a Muslim altar with his hand on the Koran!17
The Scottish Rite tenth degree oath is also particularly demonic in nature. Notice how it commits the oath taker to commit murder, if necessary:18
"I do promise and swear upon the Holy Bible never to reveal where I have received this degree... and in failure of this I consent to have my body opened perpendicularly and to be exposed for eight hours in the open air, so that the venomous flies may eat my entrails, my head to be cut off and put on the highest pinnacle of the world, and I will always be ready to inflict the same punishment on those who shall disclose this degree and break this obligation. So may God help and maintain me. Amen."
When Tom McKenney was awarded the honorary 33rd degree at a special ceremony at the Masonic headquarters in Washington, D.C., he was required to drink wine from a skull and say, "May this wine I now drink become a deadly poison to me, as the hemlock juice drunk by Socrates, should I ever knowingly or willfully violate the same [his oath]."19
One Christian writer expressed it well when he referred to Masonry's "horrid oaths" and observed that they contain penalties which would "shame a common cannibal."20
Unscriptural Doctrines: Many Roads to God
Several doctrines taught by the Masons are particularly repulsive to the Word of God. One is that there are many ways to God. Consider, for example, this quote from Carl Claudy's book, Introduction to Freemasonry: "In his private petitions a man may petition God or Jehovah, Allah or Buddha, Mohammed or Jesus; he may call upon the God of Israel or the Great First Cause. In the Masonic Lodge he hears petition to the Great Architect of the Universe, finding his own deity under that name. A hundred paths may wind upward around a mountain; at the top they meet."21 By contrast, Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me..." (John 14:6).
In other words, Masonry teaches salvation through all religions, whereas the Bible teaches there is salvation in only one name under heaven — the name of Jesus (Acts 4:12).
Salvation by Works
Another unscriptural Masonic doctrine is salvation by works. Masonic literature is replete with references to being justified before God through good works.
For example, in the Kentucky Masonic handbook, the lambskin apron worn by Masons is described as a reminder "of that purity of life and conduct which is essential to gaining admission to the Celestial Lodge above, where the Supreme Architect of the Universe presides."22 The Holman edition of the Masonic Bible contains a Masonic Creed that asserts that "character determines destiny."23 The former Masonic Grand Chaplain of Pennsylvania summed it up this way:24
"The philosophy of Freemasonry is to make man the master of his own destiny, to show him that there also is an immortality on earth brought by his actions; that he can, through his own efforts... inscribe his name in the 'Book of Life.'"
This is a different Gospel, and as such, it is condemned by Paul in Galatians 1:8-9. The true Gospel is that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus, and not through works (Ephesians 2:8-10).
Jesus is One of Many Saviors
A third unbiblical doctrine of Masonry relates to their view of Jesus. He is portrayed in Masonic literature as one of many Saviors. Consider this quote from the Kentucky handbook:25
"All antiquity... believed in a future life... and in a Mediator or Redeemer... The belief was general that He was to be born of a virgin and suffer a painful death. The Hindus called him Krishna; the Chinese, Kioun-tse; the Persians, Sosiosch; the Chaldeans, Dhouvanai; the Egyptians, Horus; Plato, Love; the Scandinavians, Balder; the Christians, Jesus; the Masons, Hiram."
As this paragraph indicates, Jesus comes across in Masonic literature as nothing more than one of many enlightened men. He certainly is not viewed as divine. Former Masonic leader, Jim Shaw, has written that in official Masonic doctrine, "Jesus is just a man. He is one of the 'exemplars,' one of the great men of the past, but not divine and certainly not the only means of redemption of lost mankind."26
In sharp contrast, the Bible teaches that Jesus was the unique and only begotten Son of God — that He was, in fact, God in the flesh (Philippians 2:1-9 and John 1:1-14).
One other thing — Masons are not allowed to pray in their lodges in the name of Jesus. Yet the Word of God says that Christians are to offer all prayers in Jesus' name (Colossians 3:17).
A God Alien to the Bible
According to Coil's Masonic Encyclopedia all men involved in Masonry must decide between the inferior Christian God and the true God of Masonry:27
"Men have to decide whether they want a God like the ancient Hebrew Jahweh, a partisan, tribal God, with whom they can talk and argue and from whom they can hide if necessary, or a boundless, eternal, universal, undenominational, and international, Divine Spirit, so vastly removed from the speck called man, that He cannot be known, named, or approached."
This quotation makes it clear that the God of Masonry, called The Great Architect of the Universe and symbolized by the all-seeing eye, is not the true God of the Bible. The Bible reveals that the creator of this universe is a triune God consisting of one God in three persons. The Bible further reveals that He is a Father God who desires intimate fellowship with His creation. He is anything but a "tribal God" who is aloof and unapproachable (Isaiah 57:15).
Although Masons are taught that the real name of God cannot be known because it has been lost, those who pursue the higher levels of Masonry are ultimately told that the secret name of the Masonic deity is Jabulon.28 This is an acronym for Jehovah, Baal (the ancient Canaanite god), and Osiris (an Egyptian mystery god). Can there really be any doubt that Masonry is steeped in paganism?
The Masonic Defense
Many Masons respond to these criticisms by observing that George Washington was a Mason and that fourteen of our Presidents have been Masons. But these facts are irrelevant. No one denies that many good and great men have been and are Masons.
Others defend the Masons by pointing out that many ministers are Masons. This too does not prove anything. Many ministers are also members of the apostate National Council of Churches, and many ministers are unsaved.
Another defense of Masonry is that it honors the Bible as God's Word. The Standard Masonic Monitor maintains that the Bible is "the Great Light in Masonry" and even advises Masons to study it diligently.29 But this claim is highly misleading. In actuality, the Bible is officially designated as a piece of "lodge furniture."30 In Utah, Masons place the Book of Mormon on their lodge altars. In India, the Hindu Vedras are placed on the altar, and in Muslim lands, the altar features the Koran.
The Masonic attitude toward the Bible is best summed up by an article that appears in the Masonic Bible that is published by Holman:31
"Thus, by the very honor which Masonry pays to the Bible, it teaches us to revere every book of faith... joining hands with the man of Islam as he takes his oath on the Koran, and with the Hindu as he makes covenant with God upon the book that he loves best. For Masonry knows what so many forget, that religions are many, but Religion is one... Therefore, it invites to its altar men of all faiths knowing that, if they use different names for "the Nameless One of a hundred names," they are yet praying to the one God and Father of all; knowing also, that while they read different volumes, they are in fact reading the same vast Book of the Faith of Man."
What incredible blasphemy of God and His Holy Word!
Finally, Masons try to defend themselves by pointing to the good works of the Masonic Order. But again, no one denies that Masons do many good works. Their good works are just not relevant to the issue. Furthermore, the Bible tells us that we are to do our good works in the name of Jesus so that He will receive the honor and glory (Colossians 3:17).
The Real Issue
The real issue is Jesus Christ. He calls us to be open about our faith. The Masons operate in secret. Jesus calls us to refrain from taking oaths. The Masons require blood oaths. Jesus call us to do all things in His name, to His honor and glory. Masons do their good works in the name of Masonry and to the glory of "The Great Architect of the Universe." The Word says Jesus is "the blessed and only potentate" (1 Timothy 6:14-15). Masons exalt their temple leaders by calling them spiritual titles like "Worshipful Master." Jesus said He is the only way to God. Masons argue there are many roads to God.
If you are a Christian and a Mason, I believe you should repent of your involvement and denounce the Masonic oaths you have taken. You should ask God to forgive you for ever having taken the oaths. You should resign your Masonic membership and rededicate yourself to Jesus and Him only.
Then you should start spending the time you used to spend in Masonry in your local church working to expand the Kingdom of God.
Good News Concerning the Masons
Masonic membership within the United States has been diminishing rapidly.
In 1958 the number of Masons in the U.S. stood at 4.2 million, or 2.4% of the total population.
By the beginning of 2005 the American membership had dropped to less than 1.5 million, or 0.6% of the population.
Most Masons today are over the age of 50. The movement is obviously dying, and we can be thankful for that.
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Scientology
The cult of the elite.
by Dennis Pollock
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Once you learn about the evil in this world you can't forget it or unlearn it.
It exists and it is very REAL.
Peace
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The illuminati is a very heavy topic but I still find it interesting it scares me little bit when I hear how much this has affected MJ.
Your legacy lives forever MJ :D