Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: suspicious mind on May 08, 2014, 10:31:03 AM
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http://www.billboard.com/articles/events/bbma-2014/6077688/michael-jackson-to-unleash-world-premiere-experience-at-billboard
The Estate of Michael Jackson created the spot, which will present the superstar “like you’ve never seen him before.”
Michael Jackson will create another slice of history at this year’s Billboard Music Awards.
On what already promises to be one of the year’s stand-out music events, the 2014 BBMAs raise the bar even higher with a world premiere experience featuring the late King of Pop.
The Estate of Michael Jackson created the spot, which will present the superstar “like you’ve never seen him before.”
It’s sure to be a thriller, but the finer details remains under lock-and-key.
This year's ceremony will be held Sunday, May 18 in Las Vegas. ABC will broadcast the show live from the MGM Grand Garden Arena and Yahoo will be streaming the red carpet show.
Performers on the night include Miley Cyrus, Ricky Martin, Jennifer Lopez, Pitbull, 5 Seconds of Summer, Florida Georgia Line, Jason Derulo, Imagine Dragons, Luke Bryan, John Legend, OneRepublic, Miranda Lambert and Carrie Underwood. Presenters for the event include Jordin Sparks, Kelly Rowland, Pete Wentz and Wiz Khalifa, among others.
Bringing Michael Jackson Back: The Inside Story of 'Xscape' (Cover Story)
The BBMAs provide a high-profile launch pad for MJ’s posthumous album “Xscape,” which comes out May 13.
“Xscape” is eight tracks of Jackson vocals set to new music from Rodney Jerkins, Stargate, John McClain, J-Roc and Timbaland who is executive producer of the album. The originals they worked with were recorded from 1983 to 1999.
The first single from the album, “Love Never Felt So Good,” produced by MJ, John McClain, Giorgio Tuinfort and Paul Anka, was released last week. A duet version of “Love Never Felt So Good,” with Michael Jackson and Justin Timberlake, produced by Timberlake, Timbaland and Jerome “J-Roc” Harmon, appeared soon after.
A second track, “Chicago,” hit the web earlier this week. “Chicago” is one of five tracks Timbaland oversaw on the album with his collaborator J-Roc.
For additional information on the 2014 Billboard Music Awards visit us at billboardmusicawards.com or the Billboard hub at billboard.com/bbma.
forgive me if this is not new or doesn't belong in this section. i just don't know where to put things anymore. :-[
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Very interesting!!! :icon_razz: Thanks for sharing Suspicious!!! :icon_razz:
This logo for Escape reminds me the logo of This is it !!! :icon_bounce: :icon_e_wink:
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Can't wait to see this so called "halogram". We believers already know whats going on. ;DThought this was interesting toohttp://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6077455/michael-jackson-billboard-cover-story-xscape-full-album-details
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http://www.showbiz411.com/2014/05/08/michael-jackson-may-appear-as-performing-hologram-on-tv-music-awards-show (http://www.showbiz411.com/2014/05/08/michael-jackson-may-appear-as-performing-hologram-on-tv-music-awards-show)
Michael Jackson may appear as Performing Hologram
on TV Music Awards Show
Roger Friedman May 8, 2014.
EXCLUSIVE He isn’t dead five years, but Michael Jackson is coming back to perform on TV. I’m told that Jackson will appear on the Billboard Music Awards as a dancing, singing hologram to promote his new “Xscape” album. Sources say Jackson will appear “through an amazing new technology.” The show airs on May 18th. Is it exploitation or just something cool? Or ghoul?
The technology for this “once in a lifetime event” that was referred to in a press release this morning may be coming from a Japanese company in which Sony Music is an investor. There are already hologram music videos on YouTube. There’s also been speculation that soon holograms would be used by living performers. But dead ones? The possibility of seeing Elvis and all other deceased stars is a startling one at best.
Something similar was done with Tupac Shakur as a CGI kind of hologram at the Coachella Music Festival in 2012. But as far as I know, no one’s done that on TV.
Production staff associated with the Billboard Music Awards have been sworn to absolute secrecy– and say they haven’t been told very much at all. But an insider tells me that the description of Michael as a hologram “is not wrong.”
It’s unclear whether Jackson’s hologram or technological self would perform alone or interact with someone from his new album– like Justin Timberlake. Timberlake was grafted onto a 30 year old recording of Jackson singing a Paul Anka song on the new album. I guess anything is possible.
And how will Jackson’s family feel seeing their father, son, brother back on stage?
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is this the same Friedman who "Back" was refering at when he said Friedman is Fat!? lol
What does it mean in the article when he said holgram or! thechnically self?? isnt't that a strange sentence?
i am curious what might happen at the awards, i would like to see the hologram of MJ, i liked the Coachella hologram appearance of Tupac aswell, although it wasen't perfect.maybe they improved it. looking forward to it and hope Friedman's source has it right.
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I thought the same @Shy. there is some odd wording in that article.....and yes that is the same Roger Friedman mentioned in Back's post.
What is a technological self?
My imagination is going crazy dreaming up some enhanced cyborg type of MJ :icon_geek: Nah.....I'm only kidding. :icon_e_confused: I think.
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Hologram is itself technology, what other technology is he referring to?
i'm thinking moonwalker lol
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I thought the same @Shy. there is some odd wording in that article.....and yes that is the same Roger Friedman mentioned in Back's post.
What is a technological self?
My imagination is going crazy dreaming up some enhanced cyborg type of MJ :icon_geek: Nah.....I'm only kidding. :icon_e_confused: I think.
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Thank you RK for confirming about Friedman.
@thriller i havent got a clue, but it's clear when you read the article, that it's about something else because of the word "or".
Although Friedman is Media, one thing i learned this past years is, to not trust any of them.
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Waiting for... :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2617865/Justin-Timberlake-Mary-J-Blige-appear-new-posthumous-Michael-Jackson-album-Xscape.html
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i might have overlooked it and i can't believe i hadn't thought of it myself until now but is there any feedback from the family on this album or event?
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http://www.showbiz411.com/2014/05/08/michael-jackson-may-appear-as-performing-hologram-on-tv-music-awards-show (http://www.showbiz411.com/2014/05/08/michael-jackson-may-appear-as-performing-hologram-on-tv-music-awards-show)
Michael Jackson may appear as Performing Hologram
on TV Music Awards Show
Roger Friedman May 8, 2014.
EXCLUSIVE He isn’t dead five years, but Michael Jackson is coming back to perform on TV. I’m told that Jackson will appear on the Billboard Music Awards as a dancing, singing hologram to promote his new “Xscape” album. Sources say Jackson will appear “through an amazing new technology.” The show airs on May 18th. Is it exploitation or just something cool? Or ghoul?
The technology for this “once in a lifetime event” that was referred to in a press release this morning may be coming from a Japanese company in which Sony Music is an investor. There are already hologram music videos on YouTube. There’s also been speculation that soon holograms would be used by living performers. But dead ones? The possibility of seeing Elvis and all other deceased stars is a startling one at best.
Something similar was done with Tupac Shakur as a CGI kind of hologram at the Coachella Music Festival in 2012. But as far as I know, no one’s done that on TV.
Production staff associated with the Billboard Music Awards have been sworn to absolute secrecy– and say they haven’t been told very much at all. But an insider tells me that the description of Michael as a hologram “is not wrong.”
It’s unclear whether Jackson’s hologram or technological self would perform alone or interact with someone from his new album– like Justin Timberlake. Timberlake was grafted onto a 30 year old recording of Jackson singing a Paul Anka song on the new album. I guess anything is possible.
And how will Jackson’s family feel seeing their father, son, brother back on stage?
Many advertise to finish with a hologram that already saw before. Perhaps this technological self, goes further than just a hologram and see MJ "almost" real. He isn’t dead five years, but Michael Jackson is coming back to perform on TV?? :WTF:
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http://www.showbiz411.com/2014/05/08/michael-jackson-may-appear-as-performing-hologram-on-tv-music-awards-show (http://www.showbiz411.com/2014/05/08/michael-jackson-may-appear-as-performing-hologram-on-tv-music-awards-show)
Michael Jackson may appear as Performing Hologram
on TV Music Awards Show
Roger Friedman May 8, 2014.
EXCLUSIVE He isn’t dead five years, ...
Intresting choice of words
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i might have overlooked it and i can't believe i hadn't thought of it myself until now but is there any feedback from the family on this album or event?
Well, after your comment, TMZ posted this: http://www.tmz.com/2014/05/11/jermaine-jackson-michael-jackson-music/ LOL!
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Excuse me, I don't realize this hologram thing totally. Correct me if I'm wrong but I've understood that creating a hologram needs a "living model" that is shown at some other place as a hologram? I'm sure that todays technigues allows that the model to hologram could somer perfomer that would be changed as Michael to hologram. But isn't it quite odd that most shown hologram perfomers are Michael and Tupac.
Oh, the link to the news about MJ-hologram at Billboard Music Award http://mjvibe.com/News/2014/05/13/exclusive-michael-jacksons-hologram-will-be-a-slave-to-the-rhythm/
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Tove, i think it would be possible with old material, next question arrise has MJ ever performed Slave to the rythem, because the article says that would be the song tho?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=demh7Whc96s[/youtube]
Celine dion performing with Elvis. although i am not sure this is a holgram or just montage.
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i might have overlooked it and i can't believe i hadn't thought of it myself until now but is there any feedback from the family on this album or event?
Well, after your comment, TMZ posted this: http://www.tmz.com/2014/05/11/jermaine-jackson-michael-jackson-music/ LOL!
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ_Xzg3gpU0[/youtube]
Fair enough ;D ,cause this a Sony project :images: :icon_rolleyes:,and it has nothing to do with the Jackson family .
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Michael's hologram was supposedly captured sometime in the bad era...i'll post the link if I find it. I'm not sure how they'll make the hologram in sync with the song, and by that I mean the lip movement.
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@TOVE I merged the topics as both of them are about hologram/billboard awards.
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Would a hologram count as light man? The cover of Xscape ,kind of looks like a hologram with Mj peeking out of it.
hologram = a negative produced by exposing a high-resolution photographic plate, without camera or lens, near a subject illuminated by monochromatic, coherent radiation, as from a laser: when it is placed in a beam of coherent light a true three-dimensional image of the subject is formed.
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It's quite hard to find anything good information about how the holograms are in fact made. But anyway, i fint it intresting that the most known holograms are Tupac, MJ & Elvis :D
I found something intrestin about holograms (beside that the whole universe is infact a hologram):
According to the Air Force the holographic projectors capabilities are:
* Precision projection of 3-D visual images into a selected area
* Supports PSYOP and strategic deception management
* Provides deception and cloaking against optical sensor
The Pentagon listed the holographic projections project openly on the Air Force site as part of it's "non-lethal" weapons program. Air Force Hologram Project
Excerpt from: INSS Occasional Paper 15, USAF Institute for National Security Studies, USAF Academy, Colorado
INSS First look for publications, then occasional papers, then occasional paper fifteen, then find section K.
"NONLETHAL WEAPONS: TERMS AND REFERENCES"
Section "K: Holograms"
"Hologram, Death: Hologram used to scare a target individual to death. Example, a drug lord with a weak heart sees the ghost of his dead rival appearing at his bedside and dies of fright."
"Hologram, Prophet: The projection of the image of an ancient god over an enemy capitol whose public communications have been seized and used against it in a massive psychological operation."
"Hologram, Soldiers-Forces: The projection of soldier-force images which make an opponent think more allied forces exist than actually do, make an opponent believe that allied forces are located in a region where none actually exist, and/or provide false targets for his weapons to fire upon."
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I have watched it right before but not in the best Quality.
It looked like more than on a Screen it wasn´t bad but it looked more like an double but like I wrote haven´t best Quality maybe we get some vid from someone maybe a YouTube vid. It wasn´t Long 4-5 minutes Slave to the Rhythm performed.
We can discuss it after we have seen it more in better Quality looking Forward what you all think of it. But have thought something more of it sorry but only 4-5 min. seems shortly tv history really :WTF: maybe it better Quality it Looks nicier.
I also think it sounds not live so I don´t know if anyone have seen it and can say more if a other view of Michael Live or performing live etc. so for my taste it looked as a Video on a Screen but ??? maybe some have seen more Details in better Quality.
I try to get it complete later if someone put in online or search if some Clip is been found. A bam it wasn´t really if not something Special happened after it cause it goes over an hour to 5:00 here and it is 3:41 a.m. and I go to bed love all it was nice but not so really big like they do for mopinion. :bearhug: :michael-jackson: :moonwalk_: :abouttime: :abouttime:
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I don't understand why they have bothered to do a hologram of an impersonator? Unless that was not a hologram and just the impersonator performing there would make more sense.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX3AVw7TWgE#t=14
I'm sorry that was an impersonator. WTF!
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I am sooooo disappointed. This was NOT MJ in this hologram. Why do they seem to keep destroying him in every way possible? I think the audience was shocked and confused. I was like "wth, MJ has never been that short" :Pulling_hair:. I am confused about this entire thing. Why are they leaving his name off of the cover of the new album and now have basically changed his look too. My heart is hurting tonight. Its like they want to get rid of the image that the world has of him. But still want the financial gain of the brand/image. :'(
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we wait and see what tmz says about it
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ummm is it possible the whole point was for everyone to know it wasn't him >:( and why so much attention on the audience reaction?
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I still liked the performance and I just LOVE Michael singing "STTR". I think it was some Michael and some impersonator.
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I still liked the performance and I just LOVE Michael singing "STTR". I think it was some Michael and some impersonator.
It was all hologram. Some hologram some impersonator would have been too expensive thus pointless. Hologram it is.
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I still liked the performance and I just LOVE Michael singing "STTR". I think it was some Michael and some impersonator.
It was all hologram. Some hologram some impersonator would have been too expensive thus pointless. Hologram it is.
It's the hologram of an impersonator, or maybe the impersonator himself as the former is wayyyyy too expensive, and an impersonator is not worth that.
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Although Dr Klein did say he rebuilt MJ face without a cleft in his chin lol. But this impersonator looks Asian almost and looks nothing like Mike.
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I don't understand why they have bothered to do a hologram of an impersonator? Unless that was not a hologram and just the impersonator performing there would make more sense.
Upsss :icon_geek:........I think this "people" can't bring back something/someone that never left.....or should I say that never was lol :icon_geek: ;D :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: !!!!!
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Oh my. This impersonator didn't dance to the beat all the alltime -something that would be impossible to Michael :)
And he had also so tiny eyes, I agree that they were almost asian look.
In some moves the hologram almost looked like MJ but I don't think he would have kept the coreacraph so simple -just a jamboree of his most known movement's. The opening was cool. But it didn't fit so good to the impersonators show. Maybe the opening was Michaels handcraft :D?
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Lol.....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX3AVw7TWgE#t=14
I'm sorry that was an impersonator. WTF!
Yea what a sham it was :icon_rolleyes:.....a very bad actor :LolLolLolLol:.
We all have been played......again lol :icon_lol: .I wonder if people still believe in Santa now :icon_geek: ??
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Wow :icon_e_surprised:.... this guy is very photogenic :icon_rolleyes:, too bad it doesn't fit with the backround, and especially with the throne :computer-losy-smiley: :Crash: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: !!!
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Why were the chess pieces Queens and not Kings?
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All the videos are blocked in my country, but it doesn't seem like I missed anything!
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:icon_e_ugeek:
Christopher Gaspar (Facebook)
Now that I am no longer under confidentiality agreement: first Xscape album presenting the hologram of Michael being not ready I was called to do an extract from my show. I knew nothing before the day J because it was confidential even for us. What I appreciated it is to hear, just before my coming, CEO Sony say: the hologram being not ready there was not better to embody that Christopher Michael. Yes I admit that would my grey
Christopher Gaspar (Facebook)
Maintenant que je ne suis plus sous contrat de confidentialité : lors de la première présentation de l'album Xscape l'hologramme de Michael n'étant pas prêt j'ai été appelé pour faire un extrait de mon show. Je ne savais rien avant le jour J car cela était confidentiel même pour nous. Ce que j'ai apprécié c'est d'entendre, juste avant mon entree, le pdg Sony dire : l'hologramme n'étant pas prêt il n'y avait pas mieux pour incarner Michael que Christopher. Oui j'avoue que cela ma grisé
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All the videos are blocked in my country, but it doesn't seem like I missed anything!
heh.. nope
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We all have been played......again lol :icon_lol: .I wonder if people still believe in Santa now :icon_geek: ??[/b][/font]
.....or in a hoax for that matter...
They tried to give it a shot I guess, it was a nice 'tribute' to Michael, not sure how the hologram was 'created' though. I agree the resemblance was not what I hoped for (read crap). The performance could easily have been done by an impersonator (much cheaper I guess!). But 'we' want Michael on top of the charts and this is one of the ways to achieve that. The whole problem is that they promised us a miracle, which wasn't there AT ALL.
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Christopher Gaspar (Facebook)
Now that I am no longer under confidentiality agreement: first Xscape album presenting the hologram of Michael being not ready I was called to do an extract from my show. I knew nothing before the day J because it was confidential even for us. What I appreciated it is to hear, just before my coming, CEO Sony say: the hologram being not ready there was not better to embody that Christopher Michael. Yes I admit that would my grey
Christopher Gaspar (Facebook)
Maintenant que je ne suis plus sous contrat de confidentialité : lors de la première présentation de l'album Xscape l'hologramme de Michael n'étant pas prêt j'ai été appelé pour faire un extrait de mon show. Je ne savais rien avant le jour J car cela était confidentiel même pour nous. Ce que j'ai apprécié c'est d'entendre, juste avant mon entree, le pdg Sony dire : l'hologramme n'étant pas prêt il n'y avait pas mieux pour incarner Michael que Christopher. Oui j'avoue que cela ma grisé
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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How the hell is this hologram of a living impersonator any good? With all due respect, but the guy doesn't look like MJ and doesn't move like MJ, no matter how hard he will try or how long he will train. There are just a few that can pull it off. I would have picked E'cas or Travis Payne, because this really didn't do the trick.
Hologram not done my ass, MJ chickening out?
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The first reply from Cristopher Caspar i posted was from Tiger Believe
Dont know what to think about this..Al about fake....................
I just wake up. It's 7am and everybody are sending me messages or friend request.... An hologram' couldn't be me because it's a projection, anyway. They used me one time live on stage not for the billboard performance. I'm disappointed as you all because they said that is MJ and it was not MJ at all. When they used me for the performance they called my name to introduce me. Regards.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/CHRISTOPHER-GASPAR-OFFICIAL-IMPERSONATOR-OF-MICHAEL-JACKSON/187681481608?sk=wall
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All the videos are blocked in my country, but it doesn't seem like I missed anything!
heh.. nope
Lol yeah, they did you a favour
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The first reply from Cristopher Caspar i posted was from Tiger Believe
Dont know what to think about this..Al about fake....................
I just wake up. It's 7am and everybody are sending me messages or friend request.... An hologram' couldn't be me because it's a projection, anyway. They used me one time live on stage not for the billboard performance. I'm disappointed as you all because they said that is MJ and it was not MJ at all. When they used me for the performance they called my name to introduce me. Regards.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/CHRISTOPHER-GASPAR-OFFICIAL-IMPERSONATOR-OF-MICHAEL-JACKSON/187681481608?sk=wall
He also says:
"They used too much different period step that makes it sounds like an impersonator ! We can see Black or white head movings, Captain EO step, This is it slide walk, Motown anniversary moonwalk etc... About the face as i said Michael is not Elvis, it's really more complicate to look like him ! The eyes and the top of the face are great, they did wrong with the lips and the lips synch. So do i believe it's MJ on the hologram ? As i said, an hologram it's not the reality so it's not MJ what ever happens even if they did it better. It is an impersonator ? We know all of them (the best ones) so i think Not at all, it's not an impersonator, it's a mix of different MJ's and all this combined with the computer and it's not the best they could do. Did i enjoyed it ? I was confused and happy, a mix as the hologram."
I am confused on what he is trying to say. First he says that Sony approached him and asked him to do a performance because the hologram wouldn't be ready on time, then he says they used him once for a live performance, not for the Billboard's though and lastly he says they used various imagery of MJ and put that together for the Billboard's.
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Motown anniversary moonwalk? so now there are types of moonwalks eh?
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I still liked the performance and I just LOVE Michael singing "STTR". I think it was some Michael and some impersonator.
It was all hologram. Some hologram some impersonator would have been too expensive thus pointless. Hologram it is.
It's the hologram of an impersonator, or maybe the impersonator himself as the former is wayyyyy too expensive, and an impersonator is not worth that.
Totally agree, Michael is an another planet !!
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@Thriller4ever
Take a look to the Hoaxbook :icon_e_wink: :icon_razz:
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thanks blankie!
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Not only to us, the hologram is not liked...... :icon_razz:
A Michael Jackson Hologram Performed at the Billboard Music Awards and It Was Uncomfortable
By Lindsey Weber
Just when you might've started to enjoy the new Michael Jackson album, tonight's Billboard Music Awards had to go and "resurrect" the singer for a hologram performance. The entire thing was every bit as uncomfortable as one might have expected. The MJ hologram "sang" "Slave to the Rhythm," complete with a signature dance break. It looked slightly better than the Sims, slightly worse than Call of Duty.
http://www.vulture.com/2014/05/see-michael-jackson-hologram-perform-billboard-music-awards.html
:icon_lol: better than the Sims :icon_lol:
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I feel I was a bit too harch in my previous comment. Although 'the hologram' didn't look like Michael at all at times, after watching it several times today, I have to say that I am pretty impressed with this new technology. It can only become better in the future. And although I don't always like the exploitation of Mike's legacy, today I'm proud that five years after his 'death', he is back on the top, and in a positive way for a change! Isn't that what we've always wanted for him? I only wish they didn't hype it so much, my expectations were much too high, but now, i like it.
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No, no and NO. :(
Sorry, no matter how often I watch it....I don´t like it, I don´t appreciate it.
It´s not even a hologram. It´s more like CGI technology. That´s all.
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I think we'll only be satisfied when 'the real thing' comes back to the stage. But I also think this will never going to happen. What I do find strange is that with all the 'bad' things that happened the past few years, everyone was laughing about it and felt that it was 'hoaxy', and now Mike is back in the news in a good way, we all are complaining that it isn't good enough. I don't think I understand this reasoning.
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They say you cant expect an 100% accurate image of Michael,an hologram is made of pixels.(if it is a hologram)
It is built up from different performances from Michael,and also different age Michaels trough the years.
That is why the face and the rest is so of...(I could understand that a little bit,if they mixed the different Michaels i saw trough the years :icon_mrgreen:)
But my question to people who know Tupac is.
I dont know Tupac that good? was his image in his ,,Hologram,, off like Michaels?
Or was his image like the real Tupac ?
Do they have a point?
I did some comparisons with Tupac,and it looked the same person to me.
But i did not see much.
Hope i did not make to much mistakes in spelling,did not feel like checking every word.
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They say you cant expect an 100% accurate image of Michael,an hologram is made of pixels.(if it is a hologram)
It is built up from different performances from Michael,and also different age Michaels trough the years.
That is why the face and the rest is so of...(I could understand that a little bit,if they mixed the different Michaels i saw trough the years :icon_mrgreen:)
But my question to people who know Tupac is.
I dont know Tupac that good? was his image in his ,,Hologram,, off like Michaels?
Or was his image like the real Tupac ?
Do they have a point?
I did some comparisons with Tupac,and it looked the same person to me.
But i did not see much.
Hope i did not make to much mistakes in spelling,did not feel like checking every word.
Mattie, to my understanding they didn't 'use' the real Tupac for his hologram. But his performance was more of a surprise and I also heard he interacted on stage with Snoop Dog, who was there 'in real life'. So it looked more 'real'.
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They say you cant expect an 100% accurate image of Michael,an hologram is made of pixels.(if it is a hologram)
It is built up from different performances from Michael,and also different age Michaels trough the years.
That is why the face and the rest is so of...(I could understand that a little bit,if they mixed the different Michaels i saw trough the years :icon_mrgreen:)
That's what I read too Mattie, it think it's a hell of a job to create a spitting image of Michael singing a song he never sang on video before.
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I think, In my opinion, that part of the performance may have been MJ wearing a mask (maybe something that enables a 3D image to be transposed)?
I think it goes back and forth between illusion (hologram) and reality. They did say that it was all new technology. And not to mention, it's been said time and time again that MJ loves magic.
To me, the body looked real but the face did not.
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They say you cant expect an 100% accurate image of Michael,an hologram is made of pixels.(if it is a hologram)
It is built up from different performances from Michael,and also different age Michaels trough the years.
That is why the face and the rest is so of...(I could understand that a little bit,if they mixed the different Michaels i saw trough the years :icon_mrgreen:)
But my question to people who know Tupac is.
I dont know Tupac that good? was his image in his ,,Hologram,, off like Michaels?
Or was his image like the real Tupac ?
Do they have a point?
I did some comparisons with Tupac,and it looked the same person to me.
But i did not see much.
Hope i did not make to much mistakes in spelling,did not feel like checking every word.
Mattie, to my understanding they didn't 'use' the real Tupac for his hologram. But his performance was more of a surprise and I also heard he interacted on stage with Snoop Dog, who was there 'in real life'. So it looked more 'real'.
How so?? Not the real Tupac?
How can they make a hologram if they dont use the real thing?
Than it must be of!, and i did not see that as clear with Tupac as i did with Michael.(or it was the real Tupac on stage??)
I saw the comment from Mary k,and i think she is right.
I looked at the cgi technologie,and i realy think it lookes more like that !
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How so?? Not the real Tupac?
How can they make a hologram if they dont use the real thing?
Than it must be of!, and i did not see that as clear with Tupac as i did with Michael.(or it was the real Tupac on stage??)
I saw the comment from Mary k,and i think she is right.
I looked at the cgi technologie,and i realy think it lookes more like that !
Sorry Mattie, I thought I read it somewhere but I've looked it up for you.
http://theweek.com/article/index/226859/coachellas-astonishing-tupac-shakur-hologram-how-they-did-it
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I think we'll only be satisfied when 'the real thing' comes back to the stage. But I also think this will never going to happen. What I do find strange is that with all the 'bad' things that happened the past few years, everyone was laughing about it and felt that it was 'hoaxy', and now Mike is back in the news in a good way, we all are complaining that it isn't good enough. I don't think I understand this reasoning.
Do, I understand what you are saying.
However this might just be the problem. At least for me.
Somehow I feel a huge gap between "hoaxy" and what I saw there and how it made me feel.
Reality check maybe? Sort of. For me personally. It just doesn´t feel right. Not in my mind, not in my heart.
I know, I know....Michael is back in the news and etc.
That´s a good thing.
And yes, sure, Michael loves controversy, that´s what we have been saying for all these years now.
But still.... that "hologram" thing left me feeling empty somehow. If that makes sense to anyone.
So Michael, if that´s you behind this...sorry, really didn´t enjoy it :(
I understand though that it´s a "promotion tool".
And maybe that´s just what it´s meant to be. Hoaxy or not hoaxy.
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Do, I understand what you are saying.
However this might just be the problem. At least for me.
Somehow I feel a huge gap between "hoaxy" and what I saw there and how it made me feel.
Reality check maybe? Sort of. For me personally. It just doesn´t feel right. Not in my mind, not in my heart.
I know, I know....Michael is back in the news and etc.
That´s a good thing.
And yes, sure, Michael loves controversy, that´s what we have been saying for all these years now.
But still.... that "hologram" thing left me feeling empty somehow. If that makes sense to anyone.
So Michael, if that´s you behind this...sorry, really didn´t enjoy it :(
I understand though that it´s a "promotion tool".
And maybe that´s just what it´s meant to be. Hoaxy or not hoaxy.
Mary, and I understand what you are saying!
What you feel about this performance is what I felt about all that happened in the past, especially the bad news, the controversy, the suicide attempt, the trials, the books and performances by the family (to name a few). That was my reality check. That's when I started to have doubts and that's when I started to feel that there might be more sinister things were going on. That's when the hope that Michael would come back as his 'old' self started to fade away. I understand your empty feeling. It's like it hits you: we want the real deal, but this is all what we might get....
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Do, I understand what you are saying.
However this might just be the problem. At least for me.
Somehow I feel a huge gap between "hoaxy" and what I saw there and how it made me feel.
Reality check maybe? Sort of. For me personally. It just doesn´t feel right. Not in my mind, not in my heart.
I know, I know....Michael is back in the news and etc.
That´s a good thing.
And yes, sure, Michael loves controversy, that´s what we have been saying for all these years now.
But still.... that "hologram" thing left me feeling empty somehow. If that makes sense to anyone.
So Michael, if that´s you behind this...sorry, really didn´t enjoy it :(
I understand though that it´s a "promotion tool".
And maybe that´s just what it´s meant to be. Hoaxy or not hoaxy.
Mary, and I understand what you are saying!
What you feel about this performance is what I felt about all that happened in the past, especially the bad news, the controversy, the suicide attempt, the trials, the books and performances by the family (to name a few). That was my reality check. That's when I started to have doubts and that's when I started to feel that there might be more sinister things were going on. That's when the hope that Michael would come back as his 'old' self started to fade away. I understand your empty feeling. It's like it hits you: we want the real deal, but this is all what we might get....
Yes.....
:bearhug:
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First of all I don´t think you can made an hologram without having some real object thats the main core of that.
And it Looks like a Video something like in this is it with the leds some trick like with the plane where Michael enters and fly away sort of Thing.
I watched it in better Quality and trough the Performance it doesn´t look like him but I repeated it sometimes and shortly before it was over at the Point where the dancers were seen in the audience when the Screen turned into the start Screen if you look closely it Looks like Michael more and when he mades his Twist turn you can see 100% that it changed to the regular (not so Mike like Face). So maybe that short part was him before it turned again.
During the Performances you also can see the dancers going thru the MJ Image so hardly to see was it complete on Screen or did the Dance in front of Screen as well. Moonwalk Looks strange the Point light was that real or an effect like the flames definitly the uses some of the TII Technologies the had used.
I saw Michael like I said only at the End shortly before the Twist turn where it changed to the face of the Performance this short seconds looked real but the rest not so really.
So Michael we love you miss you hopefully you came back soon for REAL FOR REAL REAL ;) :moonwalk_: :michael-jackson: :bearhug: :elvis-1405:
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THE MAIN THING WE GOT FROM IT IS THAT MICHAELS XSCAPE (ESCAPE) DO WELL (GREAT IN OVER 50 COUNTRIES) SOMETHING SWEET AND NICE BESIDES OF THE GARBAGE NEWS THEY PUT OUT SO MUCH EASILY WITHOUT ANY KIND OF HEART RESPECT AND DIGNITY TO LIE ALL OVER THE PLACE ABOUT SOMEONE WHOM NEVER DESERVE THAT AT ALL. :-* :bearhug:
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How so?? Not the real Tupac?
How can they make a hologram if they dont use the real thing?
Than it must be of!, and i did not see that as clear with Tupac as i did with Michael.(or it was the real Tupac on stage??)
I saw the comment from Mary k,and i think she is right.
I looked at the cgi technologie,and i realy think it lookes more like that !
Sorry Mattie, I thought I read it somewhere but I've looked it up for you.
http://theweek.com/article/index/226859/coachellas-astonishing-tupac-shakur-hologram-how-they-did-it
Thank you Do. :icon_e_smile:
I understand.
But i make out of this story what i read before, they need the real thing( The Tupac image was created on a computer, piecing together physical characteristics and movements from the performances recorded before the rapper's death. Advances in computer graphics and audio trickery were used to create fresh movements and new dialogue. No detail was glossed over.. quote)
But i was wondering,was the image from Tupac of for fans,like the image from Michael was of for a lot of us?
(ik lees nergens dat mensen zeggen..Dat is niet Tupac!dat is een dubbel,waarom is de Tupac hologram dan zoveel beter?)
Maar bedankt dat je zo meedenkt,ik zit daar echt mijn hoofd over te breken.
En geloof ook niet echt dat het een hologram is van Michael,
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How so?? Not the real Tupac?
How can they make a hologram if they dont use the real thing?
Than it must be of!, and i did not see that as clear with Tupac as i did with Michael.(or it was the real Tupac on stage??)
I saw the comment from Mary k,and i think she is right.
I looked at the cgi technologie,and i realy think it lookes more like that !
Sorry Mattie, I thought I read it somewhere but I've looked it up for you.
http://theweek.com/article/index/226859/coachellas-astonishing-tupac-shakur-hologram-how-they-did-it
Thank you Do. :icon_e_smile:
I understand.
But i make out of this story what i read before, they need the real thing( The Tupac image was created on a computer, piecing together physical characteristics and movements from the performances recorded before the rapper's death. Advances in computer graphics and audio trickery were used to create fresh movements and new dialogue. No detail was glossed over.. quote)
But i was wondering,was the image from Tupac of for fans,like the image from Michael was of for a lot of us?
(ik lees nergens dat mensen zeggen..Dat is niet Tupac!dat is een dubbel,waarom is de Tupac hologram dan zoveel beter?)
Maar bedankt dat je zo meedenkt,ik zit daar echt mijn hoofd over te breken.
En geloof ook niet echt dat het een hologram is van Michael,
Op SBS6 zijn ze het nu aan het uitleggen, het is gedaan met folie zeggen ze, ze hebben gebeld met het bedrijf die dit gemaakt heeft.
Edit: oh het is alweer afgelopen, jammer, maar dat verklaart het wat golvende beeld in het begin. Alleen hoe ze nu Michael hebben gecreeerd hebben ze nog niet verteld.
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THE MAIN THING WE GOT FROM IT IS THAT MICHAELS XSCAPE (ESCAPE) DO WELL (GREAT IN OVER 50 COUNTRIES) SOMETHING SWEET AND NICE BESIDES OF THE GARBAGE NEWS THEY PUT OUT SO MUCH EASILY WITHOUT ANY KIND OF HEART RESPECT AND DIGNITY TO LIE ALL OVER THE PLACE ABOUT SOMEONE WHOM NEVER DESERVE THAT AT ALL. :-* :bearhug:
This is a beautiful news!!!! ;)
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I really didn´t like the hologram... Sorry! :WTF: The good part is that MJ is again on the top for the good reasons.
Just a thing that i thought weird: All of the press and media is talking about the hologram... Except TMZ... Did you notice? :suspect:
Not a single word about it!
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Hey guys, I do not seek explanation of how it became. What I saw I did not like, was rudely a scam. The sad part was, as always, the press. They promised something never seen material that did not know existed. If I have to say what I saw was a performance an impersonator doing "disguised" hologram. Try playing with the illusion, but ultimately not achieved. MJ fans, we are used to the best, and the best is the real MJ.
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I have watched it over and over and I really do not think a hologram was used. I think it was just an impersonator up there. I know we 'know' all of the main ones but there are thousands and thousands of MJ impersonators out there from different countries who could have done it and just because they aren't 'admitting' to it, doesn't mean that is not what happened. You'd think that if it was a hologram, they would get the dancing timed perfectly, and sometimes in this performance, 'MJs' dancing is out. And why they would bother making a hologram of an impersonator, instead of just getting him to perform there and then I do not know.
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I couldn't see it live and the videos availble are not the clearest. I did notice how Michael seems to walk through the other dancers, consistent with a hologram inserted into live action. But I think Michael is real (the real Michael) but some of the dancers are holograms. What is very strange is how little press reaction there has been to this history making event. Miley got more miles twerking and making a fool of herself. Why? Not a word from TMZ either. Why the silence?
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Thank you for all of your thoughts - I've enjoyed reading what you thought and I have had similar feelings.
If TMZ has not commented I would think that is worth taking note of. They comment on everything, mostly before anyone else. Why would they ignore this big news? Hmmm....
I also think it's an impersonator and not a hologram but what do I know. I was disappointed too but somewhere in me I was also glad that it wasn't Usher or someone else giving "tribute". And this impersonator did a good job - I believe MJ is proud of him. I was thankful that they didn't mess with MJ's voice. Pure perfection and that song stole the whole night IMO.
We've long discussed orange pants man in TII and his ears. This impersonator seems to have the same pointy ears.
Blessings
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Thank you for all of your thoughts - I've enjoyed reading what you thought and I have had similar feelings.
If TMZ has not commented I would think that is worth taking note of. They comment on everything, mostly before anyone else. Why would they ignore this big news? Hmmm....
I also think it's an impersonator and not a hologram but what do I know. I was disappointed too but somewhere in me I was also glad that it wasn't Usher or someone else giving "tribute". And this impersonator did a good job - I believe MJ is proud of him. I was thankful that they didn't mess with MJ's voice. Pure perfection and that song stole the whole night IMO.
We've long discussed orange pants man in TII and his ears. This impersonator seems to have the same pointy ears.
Blessings
The very fact that TMZ is silent on the matter speaks volumes, though I'm not quite sure what is meant. I feel more and more like it was the real Michael. The differences could be explained by makeup just to keep us guessing. Interestingly, he does look a bit like the Corey Feldman in that video where he gets out of bed and walks down the stairs accompanied by 2 angels, which has been interpreted as Archangel Michael leaving heaven. I also couldn't help but notice the symbolism, the extraordinarily ornate throne and the large sun which, IMO, was not dissimilar to Bernini's famous one in St. Peter's Basilica.
In this performance, Michael steps down from his throne and descends the (illuminati) checkerboard stairs and is joined by a pretty serious looking army. He proceeds to point fingers and talk about the woman who is enslaved to the rhythm of the men who run her life. Interesting song to choose. Much has been said about the return of the feminine. Does this symbolize him coming back to help usher in this new age? Whatever one might say about this performance, he looked damned serious and totally in charge. Is that the message to those with eyes to see?
This may be the beginning of something much larger, but he had to make his entry in a way which would not awake the masses too soon. Notice how the commentators would say it was Michael Jackson and that he was introduced that way. Odd, don't you think?
Here's another thing on a very personal note. I don't dream much but a couple of days before this event I had a very profound dream. I was standing in the wings off stage awaiting Michael's first appearance. I couldn't believe my good fortune. The curtain opened and out stepped Michael, looking not unlike the Michael we saw. Then, from out of nowhere, a large man with glistening ebony skin and extraordinarily compassionate eyes stepped in front of me and asked if I was hungry. I couldn't believe it. The King of Pop was returning to the stage and He was more worried about me. He then said, can I get you something to eat and at that moment I realized I had been hungry. And that was the end of the dream.
I awoke and began to sob and sob and sob. The dream felt so real, so powerful that every time I think, talk or write of that dream and even now, I'm overcome by this wave of unconditional love that seems only able to find expression in tears.
So perhaps this dream has prejudiced my thinking about Michael's reappearance, but I definitely felt something watching him. I think he's gonna be starting something big time now.
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After sleeping a night over the performance i'm not so sure anymore if it was a hologram. Confused. How do we know how Michael looks nowdays? Probably he would have used some plastic surgery to change his look to make hoax succeed. And when he got up from throne, i noticed that he did it like a person who isn't a young boy anymore (only in the good way!). Also in danging it could be the hips that made a dancing look more minimalistic that we are used to (after dancing like 50 years every body is a little damaged). But some chestures made me wonder if it was the real deal. He was so majestic with the lady in the beginning -could an impersonator be such a king? And the popping was so old school. It makes me mad not to be sure.
Haha, the album good and clearly MJ that maybe it was time to confuse all us again :michael_jackson-1135:
If I don't focus on the performer I think it was a great great show anyway -something we haven't seen yet! All the disappearing dancers WOW. And the heels performer used was quite untypic to dancers but typical to MJ.
I also wonder are these hologram and universe things some kind of clues -the universe costume in the album cover and hologram shows. Actually, the whole universe is a hologram. I'm not sure what he is trying to tell with that, if he is.
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I'm sure MJ wouldn't shorten his height lol. The popping was bad.
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How long d'you reckon before this Christopher Gaspard does an about-face and claims his fbook was hacked? It sounds too much like the Jason Malachi fiasco from the last posthumous album released of "new" material.
My two cents, after having watched the performance once on youtube yesterday, is that it's a hologram of someone impersonating Michael. Sorry but that's not Michael's body at all. The dance moves might be from different eras but they didn't take them from existing performances since the technology needs a 3D performance to draw on, not something like video footage, apparently. Then the face is more CGI-like, and superimposed on to the performer's body. Since no one has a face like Michael (and we would all recognize one of the well-known impersonators) they had to make an animated version of it singing new lyrics.
It was disappointing because they hyped it up so much... HIStory-making TV and all that. Then when news broke that it was gonna be a hologram they tried to save it, saying that it was going to be lightyears beyond the Tupac and Elvis holograms. But according to a lot of you, it was worse! Too bad, too bad about it.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDRTghGZ7XU[/youtube]
I did not know a hologram could press a chair, :LolLolLolLol:..... it's right at the beginning you clearly see the throne being pressed by the person who sits on it.
starting at 1.31
At least i see two holgraphic dancers and they are right next to MJ. focus on the one to the left side of MJ it appears it does go through the other dancer. start at 1.39.
I do not think This MJ is a hologram, although there was a member who said before (sorry can't remember who) he could be something of both and MJ himself + impersonater. i also like to think that way.
at 2.18 the dancer is bumping to MJ's leg. (someone else noticed this.)so not my own finding.
The guards standing next to the throne: it appears they have some kind of shield projection on them and when the shield is dissapearing in a sec they started to dance. so it's possible to project some kind of shield to cover them up. imo. Also at the end of the video, the shield is put on again.
i believe there is much more to be discovered at the video. after my dissapointment has dissapeared , i starting to feel good about this again. Even better then before... :)
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Michael Jackson Image at Billboard: How They Did It
By Mark Gray
05/19/2014 at 07:30 PM EDT
(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2014/red-carpet/billboard/news/michael-jackson-600.jpg)
The image of Michael Jackson that moonwalked across the stage during Sunday's Billboard Music Awards can be called thrilling, memorable and cutting-edge – but it can't be called a hologram.
"It's a whole new technology that we're not really revealing the details of which, because Michael never revealed the details of his magic," Jackson estate spokeswoman Diana Baron told PEOPLE.
It was more of "a virtual Michael Jackson," says Baron, that performed the previously unreleased track, "Slave to the Rhythm."
Flanked by real-life dancers, the footage of the entertainer, who died in 2009 at age 50, was not taken from a previous performance and was created specifically for the awards show.
Although it was teased to audiences days before the awards, the idea of creating a Michael Jackson illusion for the show goes back much further, to October 2012.
Through the next year, the Jackson estate developed the act and was still making changes to it on the morning of the performance.
"Michael always wanted to do these kinds of things," Baron said. "Really, it starts with Michael Jackson more than anything."
Family member Jackie Jackson was blown away by the final product and said his late brother would have given his approval.
"When [the illusion of Michael Jackson] started dancing, unbelievable," Jackie told PEOPLE after the performance. "It took me back. If Michael was here, he would say, 'thumbs up!' "
People.com (http://www.people.com/article/michael-jackson-hologram-billboard-music-awards-how-they-did-it?xid=rss-topheadlines)
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Michael Jackson Hologram Rocks Billboard Music Awards: Watch & Go Behind the Scenes
The Michael Jackson performance on the 2014 Billboard Music Awards was the result of nearly half a year of planning, choreography and filming, not to mention the development of new technology. Producers of the Billboard Music Awards did not see even a portion of the film until eight days before the broadcast.
"We've been talking about it for the last five months and while we were talking about it they were still inventing the process," says BBMA director and producer Larry Klein. "It was really strange talking about something that did not exist."
Jackson, in hologram form, performed "Slave to the Rhythm" midway through Sunday night's show with a five-piece band and 16 dancers live onstage. Jackson appeared in gold jacket, white T-shirt and brick red trousers on a set modeled on the art work for the album "Dangerous," an appropriate choice as the track was recorded in 1991 with L.A. Reid and Babyface during the sessions for that album. Released this week on "XSCAPE," which is neck-and-neck with the new Black Keys album for No. 1 on the Billboard 200 next week, the track was produced by Timbaland.
BBMA producers Dick Clark Productions built a special stage at the rear of the MGM Grand Arena that was used only for the Jackson performance. Dancers moved through aisles as Jackson was seen rising from a throne, walking down steps before going into several trademark routines, a moonwalk being one of the them. Lasers, streams of flames and dancers in ancient costumes were part of the film.
More Michael
Klein shot it to give the presentation the feel of a live performance. "You were watching the magic of Michael Jackson just like you would have when he was performing," says Klein.
The selection of "Slave to the Rhythm" for the hologram performance was made late last year; Jackson associates the Talauega brothers and Jamie King were brought in to choreograph and direct the video, which was produced by Pulse Evolution and Tricycle Logic.
"At the time we made the decision," says Jackson's lawyer and adviser John Branca, "'Slave to the Rhythm' felt like a song was something people could dance to, a potential club song. We talked to Jamie King, who directed the Michael Jackson Cirque du Soleil shows and we all felt the song was very likeable."
The Talauega brothers, Rich and Tone, were brought on right after the new year and they started to draw up dance moves for Jackson and the other dancers in the film. Their involvement with Jackson dates back to the 1995 MTV Video Music Awards; they also choreographed the HIStory tour in 1997 and if one had to guess, the image of Michael used in the performance appears to be from that era based on his hair and clothing.
"We knew we didn't need to go so far left field with his dance moves -- we just kept it within his world," Rich Talauega says. "Its just the way you reconfigure his steps so it looks different. You're still speaking the same language, it's just a different dialect."
Tone Talauega, who was still in high school when he started working with Jackson, says they studied the singer's moves and had small things adjusted - the angle of a hand, the tilt of his head. The performance is "classic Michael, but we put our spice on it," he says.
Demand for the Jackson hologram was considerable, but in the end Branca and the estate felt it needed to be shown with a live audience.
"It's so important to experience Michael Jackson in a live setting," Branca says. "This is something where we wanted a live performance in front of a live audience and nothing speaks to that more than an awards show."
Billboard.com (http://www.billboard.com/articles/events/bbma-2014/6092040/michael-jackson-hologram-billboard-music-awards)
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDRTghGZ7XU[/youtube]
I did not know a hologram could press a chair, :LolLolLolLol:..... it's right at the beginning you clearly see the throne being pressed by the person who sits on it.
starting at 1.31
At least i see two holgraphic dancers and they are right next to MJ. focus on the one to the left side of MJ it appears it does go through the other dancer. start at 1.39.
I do not think This MJ is a hologram, although there was a member who said before (sorry can't remember who) he could be something of both and MJ himself + impersonater. i also like to think that way.
at 2.18 the dancer is bumping to MJ's leg. (someone else noticed this.)so not my own finding.
The guards standing next to the throne: it appears they have some kind of shield projection on them and when the shield is dissapearing in a sec they started to dance. so it's possible to project some kind of shield to cover them up. imo. Also at the end of the video, the shield is put on again.
i believe there is much more to be discovered at the video. after my dissapointment has dissapeared , i starting to feel good about this again. Even better then before... :)
Thanks for this HD version, it is much clearer than the ones I have watched before. It is still an impersonator though! :michael_jackson-1135:
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@reveron,
Your welcome :)
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After sleeping a night over the performance i'm not so sure anymore if it was a hologram. Confused. How do we know how Michael looks nowdays? Probably he would have used some plastic surgery to change his look to make hoax succeed. And when he got up from throne, i noticed that he did it like a person who isn't a young boy anymore (only in the good way!). Also in danging it could be the hips that made a dancing look more minimalistic that we are used to (after dancing like 50 years every body is a little damaged). But some chestures made me wonder if it was the real deal. He was so majestic with the lady in the beginning -could an impersonator be such a king? And the popping was so old school. It makes me mad not to be sure.
Haha, the album good and clearly MJ that maybe it was time to confuse all us again :michael_jackson-1135:
If I don't focus on the performer I think it was a great great show anyway -something we haven't seen yet! All the disappearing dancers WOW. And the heels performer used was quite untypic to dancers but typical to MJ.
I also wonder are these hologram and universe things some kind of clues -the universe costume in the album cover and hologram shows. Actually, the whole universe is a hologram. I'm not sure what he is trying to tell with that, if he is.
Hadn't really thought of that, but I think you have a point. Thinking 'blurred lines' between 'reality' and 'fantasy.' And in a hologram the part reflects the whole. So, if you take a piece of a hologram you don't just get the part, you get the entire picture, giving new meaning to 'you're just a part of me.'
And I agree. His presence was kingly and determined. I think it was him.
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Ar the Moment i can't say anything about it but i found an interesting Video on YouTube......not a hologram, not an imposer.... :icon_lol:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/michael-jackson-takes-center-stage-billboard-music-awards-23774914
:bearhug:
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After watching this performance I have the same initial feeling like with the O2 press conference - it's not Michael. A real good imitator but still it doesn't feel 'Michael'.
But then again ... :screaming-7365:
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Ar the Moment i can't say anything about it but i found an interesting Video on YouTube......not a hologram, not an imposer.... :icon_lol:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/michael-jackson-takes-center-stage-billboard-music-awards-23774914
:bearhug:
"not a hologram, not an imposer"........you just made my day,thanks lol :icon_lol: !!! Of course it was none of that lol......cause it was a CGI projection and court documents prove it was never referred to as a hologram :icon_rolleyes: and because it was proven it was not the same technology as Tupac's, the restraining order was denied.
THIS is what the audience saw....which is why so many walked away crying :icon_rolleyes: :icon_lol: and amazed. They didn't see the fine details the TV audience saw that zoomed in on the flaws.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTQjCeWUgpw[/youtube]
P.S. What happened with Robin Roberts :WTF: ?? She starts looking more and more like a black Sarah Jessica Parker :icon_eek: :suspect: 8) :affraid: I mean really ,her face was never so edgy :icon_e_confused: .
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I thought it was great.
I would think if that was CGI/impersonator the dancing would have been more complicated. I mean, if you can have whatever some choreographer can imagine, why not go all out. That was very a simple performance, more in line with what I'd imagine an actual 50+ year old artist would perform if allowed to decide for himself, rather then simply being a manifestation of a producer's desires (slave).
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I thought it was great.
I would think if that was CGI/impersonator the dancing would have been more complicated. I mean, if you can have whatever some choreographer can imagine, why not go all out. That was very a simple performance, more in line with what I'd imagine an actual 50+ year old artist would perform if allowed to decide for himself, rather then simply being a manifestation of a producer's desires (slave).
Even though I still don´t like it and I still get mixed emotions from this, I have to admit that this is coherent reasoning.
I like it :icon_e_biggrin:
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I've only watched it a couple of times so far, thought I was going to be disappointed after people's initial comments, but I must say I enjoyed it. No expectations, no assumptions or conclusions, just taking it as presented - and as such, an enjoyable performance ...with a really cool track, MJ's voice is raw and powerful, just like I like it! (I might even buy Xscape now!)
Two things keep going through my head: Klein saying he was 'rebuilding' MJ's face, and Murray's letter where he was' seeking a suitable replacement'. Don't expect either mean anything, but there we go!
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(I might even buy Xscape now!)
Curls, the album is AMAZING!!!!!! You MUST buy it!!
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MJ is 55, not 85. He would not go back on stage if he couldn't do his signature moves anymore. Just watch TII, the dude can still dance.
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Yes and in TII he danced purposely as if he were 85. The hologram performance is more like it. Pretty sure the last time the man really cut a rug was the HIStory tour.
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But an impersonator will dance the way he was trained to. If the choreographers tell him to dance like an 85 year old he'll do that. It has nothing to do with age and everything to do with training.
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I found this one here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFoSwc3w0PA
There are endless possibilities to make it. For me it Looks like the complete stage is a hologram. The dancers are so diffuse. The woman right to Michael at the chair dosn't clink one time the eyes.
You can see that the pad from the chair is dented where he sit on it.....a hologram is weightless......so i think they filmed that all in one.
I personaly don't like holograms from living or dead persons.
Imagine this hologram or whatever it is.....would look exactly like Michael...that was to much......fans and everyone who knows him will get nuts. There must be a difference.
What are the children thinking ? Where is the Family ? No comment from Latoya and all the others ?
It's all weird....here in germand my Radio Station had played Michael so often and mentioned the Album Michael and played Songs.....but nothing from Xscape......nothing......if i wasn't here i would know nothing about that.
Thats strange !
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This is weird... The silence of the family once again... For TMZ Billboard Music Awards don't exist! They thought they could bring us mjs magic and have the same success that they had when MJ was alive, but it's not the same, of course! And there are fans that didn´t realise the connection between this show and TII! So we are all a little bit confused. That's what i think. :LolLolLolLol:
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You are right underthemoon. There are endless possibilities but, as always, no certainty, or at least no certainty we could all agree on. Who would have thought that the BAM would be yet another (final?) opportunity to test our faith. Would we be able to recognize Michael anywhere despite his myriad disguises? As so happened this morning, a video was recommended and I watched it because it was about this very subject of Faith. There were so many insights in this video, but one caused me to sit up and take notice.
'To have faith in something is not to KNOW something. Instead it is a kind of living bravery...the bravery to walk open armed into the world of the unknown with only your emotions leading the way.'
Here's the link to the video if anyone is interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOmA79Fb3e4&hd=1
I beLIEve it has been given to us as individuals to decide what really happened the other night, just like this entire trip has been a (mostly) individual one, with Michael leading the way. As I sit here contemplating the event, I am yet again gobsmacked at the genius of it all and, even more astonishing to me, bewildered but tearfully grateful at my good fortune to have a front row seat at the Greatest Show on Earth.
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I hear here that it's a new Technologie and the creators also worked at Avatar.....as far as a know Michael was several times in Avatar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I95KbYsRjb0
Michael and specialy the woman right next to him at the chair are not breathing.......Hello, we have a Gentleman here and he is not breathing....remember ?
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just watched the performance several more times. i have to admit the more i watch, the more i appreciate it. i am still seeing 2 different faces, imo. the dance routines are simple and not as smooth & fluent as that of a younger person, ( u would think if it's not real make it as best u can) i thought the moonwalk was messed up but it seems like it's changed. the beat seems 1, 2, 1, 1-2, 1, 1-2. but, the movement with the rhythm is on point, but stiffer ( i know what that's like :icon_rolleyes:) i love that with mj, his being in sync with every bing, bam & boom of a beat. i have to admit at the end when he sat down and propped his leg across the arm of the chair, i did FEEL something. so my analysis right or wrong crazy or not, :Pulling_hair: i think at least some (if not all) of it was him. older & stiffer with some kind of morphing face. some of his movements reminded me of sofurgofromashes.
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The Secret Of Michael Jackson's Illusion
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THE GRAND ILLUSION
Audiences at Sunday's Billboard Music Awards ceremony were treated to a performance of Slave to the Rhythm by none other than the late Michael Jackson himself. Though widely mistaken as a hologram, the performance by Michael Jackson was the result of computer-generated images, live performers and a touch of illusion known as Pepper's ghost. Here's how producers mixed fantasy with reality:
SAN RAFAEL, Calif. — Michael Jackson came back to life last Sunday on the Billboard Music Awards telecast. And the team that orchestrated his high-tech resurrection is beaming through their fatigue.
"It scared us to death to create an image that had to look, feel and function for four minutes like an entertainer everyone in the world knows," says Frank Patterson, CEO of digital effects firm Pulse Evolution. "You have to see his eyes and moves and believe it was him."
After a week of social and online media speculation about how the effect was pulled off, Florida-based Pulse exclusively invited USA TODAY to its Bay Area studios, located in the former headquarters of George Lucas' Industrial Light & Magic, to explain the details behind Jackson's performance of Slave to the Rhythm, off the late singer's new album, Xscape.
But first, a plea. "It's not a hologram," says Pulse Executive Chairman John Textor, sitting in the room where the Jackson effect was crafted with Patterson and visual effects supervisor Stephen Rosenbaum, who worked on Avatar.
So what is it? "An illusion," Patterson says.
Indeed, Pulse refined a 19th-century magician's technique called Pepper's ghost, which Textor — then leading Oscar-winning graphics company Digital Domain — also employed to summon the ghost of slain rapper Tupac Shakur at the Coachella music festival in 2012. The effect involves projecting an image on glass or plastic at a 45-degree angle, which brings that image into the viewer's field of view.
But the Jackson illusion was infinitely more complex to pull off. "Tupac had no hair, and just stood there, where Michael had to be all over the place," Patterson says.
There is also a video
Link to article: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/news/the-secret-of-michael-jacksons-illusion?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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The MJAP just tweeted this an hour ago.
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The MJAP just tweeted this an hour ago.
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imo, the one of the awards seems more natural & original
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just watched the performance several more times. i have to admit the more i watch, the more i appreciate it. i am still seeing 2 different faces, imo. the dance routines are simple and not as smooth & fluent as that of a younger person, ( u would think if it's not real make it as best u can) i thought the moonwalk was messed up but it seems like it's changed. the beat seems 1, 2, 1, 1-2, 1, 1-2. but, the movement with the rhythm is on point, but stiffer ( i know what that's like :icon_rolleyes:) i love that with mj, his being in sync with every bing, bam & boom of a beat. i have to admit at the end when he sat down and propped his leg across the arm of the chair, i did FEEL something. so my analysis right or wrong crazy or not, :Pulling_hair: i think at least some (if not all) of it was him. older & stiffer with some kind of morphing face. some of his movements reminded me of sofurgofromashes.
I agree. I wasn't overwhelmed by the song at first, but after repeated listenings, I'm a slave to it! As for the beat, I am not a musician so I speak with very limited understanding, but I found the beat in his new songs to be more jazzy, slightly asynchronous and often a bit surprising. But back to the topic at hand. I know what you mean by FEELING something. Seeing is NOT beLIEving because it's our feelings that will lead us to the truth. And also when he sat down in the chair, I have to say I sensed a 'Fuck you!' attitude on his part. It was a turf war on a global scale. I won. :michael_jackson-1135:
That vid was great, BTW! Wonder why they mentioned Avatar and Benjamin Button? A friend watching the vid with me last night remarked that he looked younger. IS he younger? All that talk way back about the fountain of youth.
I didn't personally think his dancing looked stiff, but again I'm no expert. Did look like sofurgofromashes. The movements were very controlled and his moonwalk serious, almost as though he was stomping out something. Everyone was expecting something spectacular and convincing. I was waiting for those phone calls from skeptical friends apologizing for calling me a crackpot.
So what was the point? What exactly did we see? It was not a song and dance performance, 'Michael performing the songs his fans want him to sing.' ;D The King of Pop is dead, after all.
BUT the King himself is not dead and a King, after all, doesn't usually perform, but has others perform for him! (Remember the Time comes to mind) But how would we know it was him if he didn't 'perform' in some way? Seems to me he found a way to perform but not perform. It felt a bit Shakespearean to me, a television event that will change history. The return of the King.
Funny though that they made a point of saying that only Jackie was there! Wasn't it Jackie who said he would know his brother anywhere by his movements? And didn't he say he felt his presence? Just sayin..
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think it was marlon who said he would know him anywhere by the shoes. wasn't it michael himself i think that said the fans know him by his movements ?
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think it was marlon who said he would know him anywhere by the shoes. wasn't it michael himself i think that said the fans know him by his movements ?
Yes, you are right. It was Marlon. So then why WOULD Jackie be the only one there? As for his movements, there is a certain quality and confidence when Michael is really 'ON' that can't quite be imitated. I have an acquaintance who is a Michael fan and a sometimes beLIEver. I saw her today and we shared our reactions. She felt it too and we just screamed and felt the shivers you get when you just KNOW something! It was so amazing to share that excitement!
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Welcome back "Greenman" :michael_jackson-1135:
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I guess we all should start praying.
Watch this for yourself, and pray for protection, spiritually, before you do! It’s creepier than ever, and chilling to the bone!
Warning! This video contains EXTREMELY GRAPHIC and sexually suggestive content.
:thjajaja121:
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Not only is it creepy to watch Michael Jackson, who is dead, appear totally real on stage, dancing and singing with extremely sexually graphic female dancers, but there is so much satanic symbolism in this video, I can’t even begin to explain! The name of the song, the costumes, the dance, the props—you name it, IT’S IN THERE! I am also pretty sure that all of the dancers, the scenery, props and more are also holographic images.
As a side note, it begins by hinting at martial law with a SWAT team coming out on stage doing a dance! Any symbolism there? Pretty obvious, if you ask me.
http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2014/05/raised-from-the-dead-by-nwo-technology-satanism-and-michael-jackson-project-blue-beam-opening-the-gates-of-hell-chilling-video-and-photos-2461528.html?utm_campaign=&utm_content=awesm-publisher&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FhZLW&utm_medium=googleplus&utm_source=direct-b4in.info
Wow! it's got all the elements of a real Thriller. NWO, Marshall Law, Satanism, Illuminati, the dead rising and THE ANTI-CHRIST!!!!. Curiously she mentions the hoax at some length in her video version of her 'analysis.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfjrqKsqEaU&hd=1
Whose side is she on, anyway??? ;D
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The Secret Of Michael Jackson's Illusion
(http://www.mjjcommunity.com/images/news/mj-illusion.png)
THE GRAND ILLUSION
Audiences at Sunday's Billboard Music Awards ceremony were treated to a performance of Slave to the Rhythm by none other than the late Michael Jackson himself. Though widely mistaken as a hologram, the performance by Michael Jackson was the result of computer-generated images, live performers and a touch of illusion known as Pepper's ghost. Here's how producers mixed fantasy with reality:
SAN RAFAEL, Calif. — Michael Jackson came back to life last Sunday on the Billboard Music Awards telecast. And the team that orchestrated his high-tech resurrection is beaming through their fatigue.
"It scared us to death to create an image that had to look, feel and function for four minutes like an entertainer everyone in the world knows," says Frank Patterson, CEO of digital effects firm Pulse Evolution. "You have to see his eyes and moves and believe it was him."
After a week of social and online media speculation about how the effect was pulled off, Florida-based Pulse exclusively invited USA TODAY to its Bay Area studios, located in the former headquarters of George Lucas' Industrial Light & Magic, to explain the details behind Jackson's performance of Slave to the Rhythm, off the late singer's new album, Xscape.
But first, a plea. "It's not a hologram," says Pulse Executive Chairman John Textor, sitting in the room where the Jackson effect was crafted with Patterson and visual effects supervisor Stephen Rosenbaum, who worked on Avatar.
So what is it? "An illusion," Patterson says.
Indeed, Pulse refined a 19th-century magician's technique called Pepper's ghost, which Textor — then leading Oscar-winning graphics company Digital Domain — also employed to summon the ghost of slain rapper Tupac Shakur at the Coachella music festival in 2012. The effect involves projecting an image on glass or plastic at a 45-degree angle, which brings that image into the viewer's field of view.
But the Jackson illusion was infinitely more complex to pull off. "Tupac had no hair, and just stood there, where Michael had to be all over the place," Patterson says.
There is also a video
Link to article: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/news/the-secret-of-michael-jacksons-illusion?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Thank you likemike !
I wonder why the audience stands at the end with the back to the stage and are clapping to the other side ? I also noticed that much ppl of the audience wear usual clothes, not very fine Dress.....wasn't it a great Event where you dressed better....you don't go to the gym....
Lokk at the beginning....ppl direct in front of the dancers with caps on......and at the end you see the stage in the back and the audience with the back to the stage is clapping to the other side...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzhe01a7NSU
An again....where is the Family ? No comments ?
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The Secret Of Michael Jackson's Illusion
(http://www.mjjcommunity.com/images/news/mj-illusion.png)
THE GRAND ILLUSION
Audiences at Sunday's Billboard Music Awards ceremony were treated to a performance of Slave to the Rhythm by none other than the late Michael Jackson himself. Though widely mistaken as a hologram, the performance by Michael Jackson was the result of computer-generated images, live performers and a touch of illusion known as Pepper's ghost. Here's how producers mixed fantasy with reality:
SAN RAFAEL, Calif. — Michael Jackson came back to life last Sunday on the Billboard Music Awards telecast. And the team that orchestrated his high-tech resurrection is beaming through their fatigue.
"It scared us to death to create an image that had to look, feel and function for four minutes like an entertainer everyone in the world knows," says Frank Patterson, CEO of digital effects firm Pulse Evolution. "You have to see his eyes and moves and believe it was him."
After a week of social and online media speculation about how the effect was pulled off, Florida-based Pulse exclusively invited USA TODAY to its Bay Area studios, located in the former headquarters of George Lucas' Industrial Light & Magic, to explain the details behind Jackson's performance of Slave to the Rhythm, off the late singer's new album, Xscape.
But first, a plea. "It's not a hologram," says Pulse Executive Chairman John Textor, sitting in the room where the Jackson effect was crafted with Patterson and visual effects supervisor Stephen Rosenbaum, who worked on Avatar.
So what is it? "An illusion," Patterson says.
Indeed, Pulse refined a 19th-century magician's technique called Pepper's ghost, which Textor — then leading Oscar-winning graphics company Digital Domain — also employed to summon the ghost of slain rapper Tupac Shakur at the Coachella music festival in 2012. The effect involves projecting an image on glass or plastic at a 45-degree angle, which brings that image into the viewer's field of view.
But the Jackson illusion was infinitely more complex to pull off. "Tupac had no hair, and just stood there, where Michael had to be all over the place," Patterson says.
There is also a video
Link to article: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/news/the-secret-of-michael-jacksons-illusion?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Thank you likemike !
I wonder why the audience stands at the end with the back to the stage and are clapping to the other side ? I also noticed that much ppl of the audience wear usual clothes, not very fine Dress.....wasn't it a great Event where you dressed better....you don't go to the gym....
Lokk at the beginning....ppl direct in front of the dancers with caps on......and at the end you see the stage in the back and the audience with the back to the stage is clapping to the other side...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzhe01a7NSU
An again....where is the Family ? No comments ?
There suppose to be a big screen were people were looking at.
Not everybody had good sight at the stage.
I dont see the people with caps? looke again :icon_e_confused:
Family puzzles me also,why no comment at all??
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ummm know what. i would also expect some sort of opinion on this from oh say karen and kenny and some of the other ummm will call them regulars of michael's performance past. and even more so why does no one seem to be pursuing them for comment?
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Welcome back "Greenman" :michael_jackson-1135:
he he did come to mind while watching this and seeing the how it was mades.
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just watched the performance several more times. i have to admit the more i watch, the more i appreciate it. i am still seeing 2 different faces, imo. the dance routines are simple and not as smooth & fluent as that of a younger person, ( u would think if it's not real make it as best u can) i thought the moonwalk was messed up but it seems like it's changed. the beat seems 1, 2, 1, 1-2, 1, 1-2. but, the movement with the rhythm is on point, but stiffer ( i know what that's like :icon_rolleyes:) i love that with mj, his being in sync with every bing, bam & boom of a beat. i have to admit at the end when he sat down and propped his leg across the arm of the chair, i did FEEL something. so my analysis right or wrong crazy or not, :Pulling_hair: i think at least some (if not all) of it was him. older & stiffer with some kind of morphing face. some of his movements reminded me of sofurgofromashes.
I agree. I wasn't overwhelmed by the song at first, but after repeated listenings, I'm a slave to it! As for the beat, I am not a musician so I speak with very limited understanding, but I found the beat in his new songs to be more jazzy, slightly asynchronous and often a bit surprising. But back to the topic at hand. I know what you mean by FEELING something. Seeing is NOT beLIEving because it's our feelings that will lead us to the truth. And also when he sat down in the chair, I have to say I sensed a 'Fuck you!' attitude on his part. It was a turf war on a global scale. I won. :michael_jackson-1135:
That vid was great, BTW! Wonder why they mentioned Avatar and Benjamin Button? A friend watching the vid with me last night remarked that he looked younger. IS he younger? All that talk way back about the fountain of youth.
I didn't personally think his dancing looked stiff, but again I'm no expert. Did look like sofurgofromashes. The movements were very controlled and his moonwalk serious, almost as though he was stomping out something. Everyone was expecting something spectacular and convincing. I was waiting for those phone calls from skeptical friends apologizing for calling me a crackpot.
So what was the point? What exactly did we see? It was not a song and dance performance, 'Michael performing the songs his fans want him to sing.' ;D The King of Pop is dead, after all.
BUT the King himself is not dead and a King, after all, doesn't usually perform, but has others perform for him! (Remember the Time comes to mind) But how would we know it was him if he didn't 'perform' in some way? Seems to me he found a way to perform but not perform. It felt a bit Shakespearean to me, a television event that will change history. The return of the King.
Funny though that they made a point of saying that only Jackie was there! Wasn't it Jackie who said he would know his brother anywhere by his movements? And didn't he say he felt his presence? Just sayin..
isn't jackie actually still in the business in some way that is more leaning toward production? seems i remember some mention of maybe even some connection that he actually had to the michael album or did they just discuss comment from him? so much has transpired over the last almost five years. :icon_pale:
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The Secret Of Michael Jackson's Illusion
(http://www.mjjcommunity.com/images/news/mj-illusion.png)
THE GRAND ILLUSION
Audiences at Sunday's Billboard Music Awards ceremony were treated to a performance of Slave to the Rhythm by none other than the late Michael Jackson himself. Though widely mistaken as a hologram, the performance by Michael Jackson was the result of computer-generated images, live performers and a touch of illusion known as Pepper's ghost. Here's how producers mixed fantasy with reality:
SAN RAFAEL, Calif. — Michael Jackson came back to life last Sunday on the Billboard Music Awards telecast. And the team that orchestrated his high-tech resurrection is beaming through their fatigue.
"It scared us to death to create an image that had to look, feel and function for four minutes like an entertainer everyone in the world knows," says Frank Patterson, CEO of digital effects firm Pulse Evolution. "You have to see his eyes and moves and believe it was him."
After a week of social and online media speculation about how the effect was pulled off, Florida-based Pulse exclusively invited USA TODAY to its Bay Area studios, located in the former headquarters of George Lucas' Industrial Light & Magic, to explain the details behind Jackson's performance of Slave to the Rhythm, off the late singer's new album, Xscape.
But first, a plea. "It's not a hologram," says Pulse Executive Chairman John Textor, sitting in the room where the Jackson effect was crafted with Patterson and visual effects supervisor Stephen Rosenbaum, who worked on Avatar.
So what is it? "An illusion," Patterson says.
Indeed, Pulse refined a 19th-century magician's technique called Pepper's ghost, which Textor — then leading Oscar-winning graphics company Digital Domain — also employed to summon the ghost of slain rapper Tupac Shakur at the Coachella music festival in 2012. The effect involves projecting an image on glass or plastic at a 45-degree angle, which brings that image into the viewer's field of view.
But the Jackson illusion was infinitely more complex to pull off. "Tupac had no hair, and just stood there, where Michael had to be all over the place," Patterson says.
There is also a video
Link to article: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/news/the-secret-of-michael-jacksons-illusion?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Thank you likemike !
I wonder why the audience stands at the end with the back to the stage and are clapping to the other side ? I also noticed that much ppl of the audience wear usual clothes, not very fine Dress.....wasn't it a great Event where you dressed better....you don't go to the gym....
Lokk at the beginning....ppl direct in front of the dancers with caps on......and at the end you see the stage in the back and the audience with the back to the stage is clapping to the other side...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzhe01a7NSU
An again....where is the Family ? No comments ?
There suppose to be a big screen were people were looking at.
Not everybody had good sight at the stage.
I dont see the people with caps? looke again :icon_e_confused:
Family puzzles me also,why no comment at all??
Family,and especially Joseph "gunman" Jackson needs NO COMMENT lol :judge-smiley: :icon_rolleyes:........his presence it's just enough :thjajaja121: !!!
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Billboard awards,glamour,limousine.......what a waste of time and money :Crash: .......meantime millions of kids have nothing to eat and access to medicine :icon_evil: :icon_pale: ,
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just watched the performance several more times. i have to admit the more i watch, the more i appreciate it. i am still seeing 2 different faces, imo. the dance routines are simple and not as smooth & fluent as that of a younger person, ( u would think if it's not real make it as best u can) i thought the moonwalk was messed up but it seems like it's changed. the beat seems 1, 2, 1, 1-2, 1, 1-2. but, the movement with the rhythm is on point, but stiffer ( i know what that's like :icon_rolleyes:) i love that with mj, his being in sync with every bing, bam & boom of a beat. i have to admit at the end when he sat down and propped his leg across the arm of the chair, i did FEEL something. so my analysis right or wrong crazy or not, :Pulling_hair: i think at least some (if not all) of it was him. older & stiffer with some kind of morphing face. some of his movements reminded me of sofurgofromashes.
I agree. I wasn't overwhelmed by the song at first, but after repeated listenings, I'm a slave to it! As for the beat, I am not a musician so I speak with very limited understanding, but I found the beat in his new songs to be more jazzy, slightly asynchronous and often a bit surprising. But back to the topic at hand. I know what you mean by FEELING something. Seeing is NOT beLIEving because it's our feelings that will lead us to the truth. And also when he sat down in the chair, I have to say I sensed a 'Fuck you!' attitude on his part. It was a turf war on a global scale. I won. :michael_jackson-1135:
That vid was great, BTW! Wonder why they mentioned Avatar and Benjamin Button? A friend watching the vid with me last night remarked that he looked younger. IS he younger? All that talk way back about the fountain of youth.
I didn't personally think his dancing looked stiff, but again I'm no expert. Did look like sofurgofromashes. The movements were very controlled and his moonwalk serious, almost as though he was stomping out something. Everyone was expecting something spectacular and convincing. I was waiting for those phone calls from skeptical friends apologizing for calling me a crackpot.
So what was the point? What exactly did we see? It was not a song and dance performance, 'Michael performing the songs his fans want him to sing.' ;D The King of Pop is dead, after all.
BUT the King himself is not dead and a King, after all, doesn't usually perform, but has others perform for him! (Remember the Time comes to mind) But how would we know it was him if he didn't 'perform' in some way? Seems to me he found a way to perform but not perform. It felt a bit Shakespearean to me, a television event that will change history. The return of the King.
Funny though that they made a point of saying that only Jackie was there! Wasn't it Jackie who said he would know his brother anywhere by his movements? And didn't he say he felt his presence? Just sayin..
isn't jackie actually still in the business in some way that is more leaning toward production? seems i remember some mention of maybe even some connection that he actually had to the michael album or did they just discuss comment from him? so much has transpired over the last almost five years. :icon_pale:
Sigmund Esco "Jackie" Jackson "speaks" because he works for "SONY corp."......and he has to feed those twins of his lol :LolLolLolLol:.
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Hello everyone
Wow, I found it amazing. So many things going throw my head.
In the beginning dramatic music. I can hear a helicopter in the background. Spotlights going thru the crowd, so
as they are searching for someone. MJ Army (of Love) in front of the curtain. With the Lights at the helm they
will bring Light to the dark, with the cameras they will capture every move. Michael safe and hidden behind
the curtain. The curtain goes up. We see "Michael". The Lady in gold starts to dance and lift her mask. A fool jumps in the picture. Michael goes downstairs. With one handgesture the castle falls to ashes.Michael is dancing with the checkfigures. The checkfigures leaving the stage. Out of nowhere for dark mens
appear. The dancing they do reminds me rather of some sort nina fightpositions than as a dance routine.
As the lady appears the mens dissappear. The lady is wearing a red and golden costume. Red the colour of
passion and love. Gold the colour for royality. Her face is hidden behind a mask. (Maybe she represents the Fans?) She is dancing than leaving the stage. At 2.37 I hear a telefon ring in the background.
Michael is dancing in a bright light in the round, behind him fireworks. Dancing with the checkfigures again. Castle is back.A Angel crosses twice the Sence.
Now I come to my second point. I never believed that Front or TS/Ts_comments is Michael, but with
"BACK" or "SOTT" (sitting on the toilett) yep that is another story.
Here is a poem SOTT did write on 11 November 2002
Long time no update?
It has been a long time my friends
But the time has been well spent
Just like I promised you.
Today I write to you from France, a little something new
One of my final riddles, I bring to you
The time is near, so take your seat
The curtains are about to draw
In England, France and Germany
The discussions are now complete
Like my momma told me, evil will subside
Darkest moments will pass when heaven comes alive
Heaven can no longer wait, for it has arrived
The angels have arrived
In secrets only fat friends could trust, the man vowed an angel came to me
In decades that were ever so just, lies were said to become the truth
Never did I realize, the angels would arrive so soon
A year has passed, longer have become the days
But open cells have shed light in darkened hallways
That which burns inside the heart, drives the hand
They said guilty feet would never dance again
Correlations so correct, errors in allocation so grand
Although this dance is about to end, another is about to begin
For like the man told you, the dance is eternal.
Guilty suits only now understand,
That guilty hands can never clasp golden sands
The dance is eternal.
Do you understand? There is still fire inside the man
Burning castles have come down
Look inside, a man is standing there
Strangers will soon become friends
Shadows of darkened cells are to reveal
Empty closets, dangling chimes, a black knight
A man dancing in a brightened light
He is invincible, but do you recognize his face?
Perhaps even you have been fooled.
For your hands contain falsities.
Walk with him and just try to touch his hand
Don’t ask any questions and don’t try to understand
For those who believe, all will be seen
The curtain is about to draw
So please take your seat
The man that you are looking for, you will find him there
In the ashes
For here lies the promised plan
The fever that burns inside the man
He is ready to dance, on burned floors, in the round
The man will dance the eternal dance,
Although you may not recognize him this time
But his clothes are enough, his movements you can trust
The man under the hat, who will never reveal himself
Will dance to make you believe, that once again, he is real.
Remember, what I have told you.
The cell is open.
The angels have arrived.
The show is about to begin.
Trust in me,
France, Germany and the UK are done.
Just like I promised you.
Either I am complety crazy and you can put me in a straightjacket and bring me direct to the nutshouse, because to me this poem has a lot of the things in we did see in the performance.
Okay Michael you are the winner and I am checkmate. :icon_lol: The Album Xscape is No. 1 in France and the
UK, in Germany it is No. 2. Source: Wikipedia.
Much Peace and Love to everyone.
Off-Topic: Forum is damm slow today, always freezing
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I do not believe this poem was about the hologram honestly. No clue what it was about but if I had to guess it is something we have not seen yet.
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I do not believe this poem was about the hologram honestly. No clue what it was about but if I had to guess it is something we have not seen yet.
Hey Souza, could be it was about something else, but I find it kinda odd that so many things are matching. May be it is only a part of the riddle. I am just curious what will happen next.
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just watched the performance several more times. i have to admit the more i watch, the more i appreciate it. i am still seeing 2 different faces, imo. the dance routines are simple and not as smooth & fluent as that of a younger person, ( u would think if it's not real make it as best u can) i thought the moonwalk was messed up but it seems like it's changed. the beat seems 1, 2, 1, 1-2, 1, 1-2. but, the movement with the rhythm is on point, but stiffer ( i know what that's like :icon_rolleyes:) i love that with mj, his being in sync with every bing, bam & boom of a beat. i have to admit at the end when he sat down and propped his leg across the arm of the chair, i did FEEL something. so my analysis right or wrong crazy or not, :Pulling_hair: i think at least some (if not all) of it was him. older & stiffer with some kind of morphing face. some of his movements reminded me of sofurgofromashes.
I agree. I wasn't overwhelmed by the song at first, but after repeated listenings, I'm a slave to it! As for the beat, I am not a musician so I speak with very limited understanding, but I found the beat in his new songs to be more jazzy, slightly asynchronous and often a bit surprising. But back to the topic at hand. I know what you mean by FEELING something. Seeing is NOT beLIEving because it's our feelings that will lead us to the truth. And also when he sat down in the chair, I have to say I sensed a 'Fuck you!' attitude on his part. It was a turf war on a global scale. I won. :michael_jackson-1135:
That vid was great, BTW! Wonder why they mentioned Avatar and Benjamin Button? A friend watching the vid with me last night remarked that he looked younger. IS he younger? All that talk way back about the fountain of youth.
I didn't personally think his dancing looked stiff, but again I'm no expert. Did look like sofurgofromashes. The movements were very controlled and his moonwalk serious, almost as though he was stomping out something. Everyone was expecting something spectacular and convincing. I was waiting for those phone calls from skeptical friends apologizing for calling me a crackpot.
So what was the point? What exactly did we see? It was not a song and dance performance, 'Michael performing the songs his fans want him to sing.' ;D The King of Pop is dead, after all.
BUT the King himself is not dead and a King, after all, doesn't usually perform, but has others perform for him! (Remember the Time comes to mind) But how would we know it was him if he didn't 'perform' in some way? Seems to me he found a way to perform but not perform. It felt a bit Shakespearean to me, a television event that will change history. The return of the King.
Funny though that they made a point of saying that only Jackie was there! Wasn't it Jackie who said he would know his brother anywhere by his movements? And didn't he say he felt his presence? Just sayin..
exactly, that little jerk of his body has 'TUDE' all over it. i'm back, i'm STILL BAD,....now what?
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for anyone that know about holograms & cgi's would either cause a reflection on the floor. i could see the reflection of his & the dancers feet? at one point also his jacket.
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Same here - I suppose the impersonator could actually have been there and it may not have been a hologram/GGI effect at all - I would love to believe it could have been MJ himself though.