Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TMZ.com => Michael Jackson News => TMZ Articles => Topic started by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on February 24, 2014, 04:08:27 PM
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I WANT A LIST OF EVERY BOY MJ ALLEGEDLY MOLESTED
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/02/24/0224-wade-robson-mj-tmz-1.jpg)
Famed choreographer Wade Robson -- who claims he was repeatedly molested as a kid by Michael Jackson -- wants the MJ Estate to ante up evidence they have of Michael molesting underage boys.
Robson has filed a claim with the Estate asking for money as a result of allegedly being molested between the ages of 7 and 14. In new legal docs -- obtained by TMZ -- Robson is demanding:
-- the names and other identifying info of all boys who were under 18 when alleged sexual misconduct occurred.
-- any settlements involving molestation that have not yet been made public.
-- any evidence of seduction -- even a failed attempt at molestation -- such as giving children wine ... aka Jesus juice.
The Estate has responded by saying all the info Robson wants is privileged. They also say the request is premature because they believe Robson waited way too late to file his claim.
http://www.tmz.com/2014/02/24/wade-robson-michael-jackson-claim-lawsuit-sexual-molestation/
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It's too late, Wade did not desist in getting money. I still wonder why some thought that Wade was "helping" MJ.
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can someone explain to me why the estate would have such a list ? :-[ :Pulling_hair:
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can someone explain to me why the estate would have such a list ? :-[ :Pulling_hair:
I bet the estate (a.k.a. MJ) has a long list of allegations by people who have no morality or intelligence and hope to make a few bucks or get their 15 minutes of fame. Tons of them I bet, people are wicked. I also bet he has all the info on every person ever making such a claim. And of course he will never give out that list, because that will give them all air time to barf up their lies.
Wade Robson is a piece of shit and he will get what he deserves but I bet he is just a puppet in this story. They are trying to build another case against him and Wade's story simply won't hold up so they are searching for more little liars, just like they did before.
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can someone explain to me why the estate would have such a list ? :-[ :Pulling_hair:
I bet the estate (a.k.a. MJ) has a long list of allegations by people who have no morality or intelligence and hope to make a few bucks or get their 15 minutes of fame. Tons of them I bet, people are wicked. I also bet he has all the info on every person ever making such a claim. And of course he will never give out that list, because that will give them all air time to barf up their lies.
Wade Robson is a piece of shit and he will get what he deserves but I bet he is just a puppet in this story. They are trying to build another case against him and Wade's story simply won't hold up so they are searching for more little liars, just like they did before.
oh ok thanks for your response souza :bearhug:
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can someone explain to me why the estate would have such a list ? :-[ :Pulling_hair:
I bet the estate (a.k.a. MJ) has a long list of allegations by people who have no morality or intelligence and hope to make a few bucks or get their 15 minutes of fame. Tons of them I bet, people are wicked. I also bet he has all the info on every person ever making such a claim. And of course he will never give out that list, because that will give them all air time to barf up their lies.
Wade Robson is a piece of shit and he will get what he deserves but I bet he is just a puppet in this story. They are trying to build another case against him and Wade's story simply won't hold up so they are searching for more little liars, just like they did before.
Do you think these "complications" are why the Bam has been delayed? and do you think "They" are trying to smoke MJ out? It is coincidental that W.R. picks his moments to announce his crap to coincide with The Estates announcements ie in May 2013 it was MichaelJackson ONE and now this. >:(
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@ Souza
Wade Robson is a piece of shit and he will get what he deserves but I bet he is just a puppet in this story. They are trying to build another case against him and Wade's story simply won't hold up so they are searching for more little liars, just like they did before.
Totally agree,all this is disgusting , as always money, money, money..... (http://smileys.surlatoile.org/repository/Crade/vomi.gif)
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can someone explain to me why the estate would have such a list ? :-[ :Pulling_hair:
I bet the estate (a.k.a. MJ) has a long list of allegations by people who have no morality or intelligence and hope to make a few bucks or get their 15 minutes of fame. Tons of them I bet, people are wicked. I also bet he has all the info on every person ever making such a claim. And of course he will never give out that list, because that will give them all air time to barf up their lies.
Wade Robson is a piece of shit and he will get what he deserves but I bet he is just a puppet in this story. They are trying to build another case against him and Wade's story simply won't hold up so they are searching for more little liars, just like they did before.
So if I have understood it well you are trying to say that MJ Estate aka MJ is using Wade to finally clear MJ's name? Is Wade being the biter bit?
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can someone explain to me why the estate would have such a list ? :-[ :Pulling_hair:
I bet the estate (a.k.a. MJ) has a long list of allegations by people who have no morality or intelligence and hope to make a few bucks or get their 15 minutes of fame. Tons of them I bet, people are wicked. I also bet he has all the info on every person ever making such a claim. And of course he will never give out that list, because that will give them all air time to barf up their lies.
Wade Robson is a piece of shit and he will get what he deserves but I bet he is just a puppet in this story. They are trying to build another case against him and Wade's story simply won't hold up so they are searching for more little liars, just like they did before.
I agree that MJ possibly have a long list of potential applicants, looking for a slice. And possibly other surprised, as the same Quinci jones I demand rights.
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Someone's name doesn't get cleared by presenting a new round of allegations, while eluding to a laundry list of more victims. Rather, that's how you destroy someone's name once and for all. Thanks, "estate', for confirming there does exist a list of such a nature as was suggested by WR, he just cannot have it. Well done. NOT. What the fuck.
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Someone's name doesn't get cleared by presenting a new round of allegations, while eluding to a laundry list of more victims. Rather, that's how you destroy someone's name once and for all. Thanks, "estate', for confirming there does exist a list of such a nature as was suggested by WR, he just cannot have it. Well done. NOT. What the fuck.
That such a list existed wasn't a 'secret' untill now right? It isn't a matter of 'confirming' by the estate, or a suggestion by WR, because I assume it is that same list that was spoken of last year.
http://t.radaronline.com/entry/view/id/86267 (Michael Jackson spent $35 million to silence 17 young boys he abused over 15 years/secret FBI-files)
Ofcourse, Anthony Pellicano was key in creating those files, including the names of 17 boys.
And we all know that he already accused Michael back in 2011 that 'he did far worse to young boys than molest them' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2023974/Anthony-Pellicano-claims-Michael-Jackson-did-far-worse-molest-young-boys.html
It certainly doesn't look good when it comes to name clearing, whether these allegations are BS or NOT.
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can someone explain to me why the estate would have such a list ? :-[ :Pulling_hair:
I bet the estate (a.k.a. MJ) has a long list of allegations by people who have no morality or intelligence and hope to make a few bucks or get their 15 minutes of fame. Tons of them I bet, people are wicked. I also bet he has all the info on every person ever making such a claim. And of course he will never give out that list, because that will give them all air time to barf up their lies.
Wade Robson is a piece of shit and he will get what he deserves but I bet he is just a puppet in this story. They are trying to build another case against him and Wade's story simply won't hold up so they are searching for more little liars, just like they did before.
Do you think these "complications" are why the Bam has been delayed? and do you think "They" are trying to smoke MJ out? It is coincidental that W.R. picks his moments to announce his crap to coincide with The Estates announcements ie in May 2013 it was MichaelJackson ONE and now this. >:(
I think you hit the nail on the head. This is not name clearing at all, this is trying to bring him down once again.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. This is not name clearing at all, this is trying to bring him down once again.
I am really confused and curious right now as to what again was the reason Michael would pull such a 'prank' on the world and than will BAM assuming not to be regarded as a wacko and child molester by that same world?
Or was it a massive security reason for him to begin with and was he really afraid for his life, meaning that he will never BAM? Ooooooo I hate the insecurity..........
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I think you hit the nail on the head. This is not name clearing at all, this is trying to bring him down once again.
I am really confused and curious right now as to what again was the reason Michael would pull such a 'prank' on the world and than will BAM assuming not to be regarded as a wacko and child molester by that same world?
Or was it a massive security reason for him to begin with and was he really afraid for his life, meaning that he will never BAM? Ooooooo I hate the insecurity..........
I never said I think he won't BAM, I just think these allegations are real. I see no reason at all to fake this, there is no name clearing in more slander. I do think as well it might have postponed stuff.
Plus, his name was cleared on June 13, 2005. People who still think he is a child molester, will probably keep thinking that. It is not up to him to clear his name, it's up to Jordy Chandler and now Wade Robson to tell everyone they lied.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. This is not name clearing at all, this is trying to bring him down once again.
I am really confused and curious right now as to what again was the reason Michael would pull such a 'prank' on the world and than will BAM assuming not to be regarded as a wacko and child molester by that same world?
Or was it a massive security reason for him to begin with and was he really afraid for his life, meaning that he will never BAM? Ooooooo I hate the insecurity..........
I never said I think he won't BAM, I just think these allegations are real. I see no reason at all to fake this, there is no name clearing in more slander. I do think as well it might have postponed stuff.
I do think so too about the allegations (that they're real). But the question is: what stuff has postponed? If I go back in time, thinking about the early days, we had so many reasons why we thought he faked his death. There are so little reasons left these days, meaning that in whatever way, they don't make sense anymore, and I begin to seriously doubt my own state of mind....
So, again, what in the heck could probably the reason for a death hoax :screaming-7365: (not screaming to you Souza)
Plus, his name was cleared on June 13, 2005. People who still think he is a child molester, will probably keep thinking that. It is not up to him to clear his name, it's up to Jordy Chandler and now Wade Robson to tell everyone they lied.
I don't think this will ever going to happen. And who on earth will believe Wade Robson ever again?? Worse, maybe the 'others' will smell the pot of gold now too.....
What I was afraid of all these past years, is that everything is gonna backfire. Seems that that has started already...
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can someone explain to me why the estate would have such a list ? :-[ :Pulling_hair:
I bet the estate (a.k.a. MJ) has a long list of allegations by people who have no morality or intelligence and hope to make a few bucks or get their 15 minutes of fame. Tons of them I bet, people are wicked. I also bet he has all the info on every person ever making such a claim. And of course he will never give out that list, because that will give them all air time to barf up their lies.
Wade Robson is a piece of shit and he will get what he deserves but I bet he is just a puppet in this story. They are trying to build another case against him and Wade's story simply won't hold up so they are searching for more little liars, just like they did before.
So if I have understood it well you are trying to say that MJ Estate aka MJ is using Wade to finally clear MJ's name? Is Wade being the biter bit?
I don't know how it is even possible to clear name using Wade, there is no scope of name clearing with the present happening of events. This might be a conspiracy on a whole another level to defame MJ once and for all and label him as a 'child-molester'.
More people can now find the opportunity to jump on the 'MJ molested me' bandwagon. This whole W.R. Allegations is going to leave us nowhere, but might leave a permanent scar on MJ's character.
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Do you think these "complications" are why the Bam has been delayed? and do you think "They" are trying to smoke MJ out? It is coincidental that W.R. picks his moments to announce his crap to coincide with The Estates announcements ie in May 2013 it was MichaelJackson ONE and now this. >:(
Bam dates were always about delaying, most of the dates were assumed by believers merely because they added upto 7 or 77, or because they were landmark dates in history/MJ's life.
This hoax was nothing but a bunch of clues that never made any sense altogether.
Conrad Murray's silence about the pedophilia question in that interview and wade robson's allegations is enough to destroy everything.
and I personally feel MJ's family isn't involved as much as it should've been.
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Someone's name doesn't get cleared by presenting a new round of allegations, while eluding to a laundry list of more victims. Rather, that's how you destroy someone's name once and for all. Thanks, "estate', for confirming there does exist a list of such a nature as was suggested by WR, he just cannot have it. Well done. NOT. What the fuck.
That such a list existed wasn't a 'secret' untill now right? It isn't a matter of 'confirming' by the estate, or a suggestion by WR, because I assume it is that same list that was spoken of last year.
http://t.radaronline.com/entry/view/id/86267 (Michael Jackson spent $35 million to silence 17 young boys he abused over 15 years/secret FBI-files)
Ofcourse, Anthony Pellicano was key in creating those files, including the names of 17 boys.
And we all know that he already accused Michael back in 2011 that 'he did far worse to young boys than molest them' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2023974/Anthony-Pellicano-claims-Michael-Jackson-did-far-worse-molest-young-boys.html
It certainly doesn't look good when it comes to name clearing, whether these allegations are BS or NOT.
The Closer You Think You Are The Less You'll Actually See..........go further in order to view the whole picture :icon_pale:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYw2nj36NCM[/youtube]
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I don't know at this point if leaving so many clues about him being alive has been a good idea because I'm sure his enemies have got to know he's alive so they probably have paid Wade Robson to say again that MJ molested him and maybe they even paid CM to seal his mouth about it.
Nevertheless MJ might have counted with this possibility and might have a plan B (Complications) what will take a time to be resolved and so be able to finally BAM.
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Someone's name doesn't get cleared by presenting a new round of allegations, while eluding to a laundry list of more victims. Rather, that's how you destroy someone's name once and for all. Thanks, "estate', for confirming there does exist a list of such a nature as was suggested by WR, he just cannot have it. Well done. NOT. What the fuck.
That such a list existed wasn't a 'secret' untill now right? It isn't a matter of 'confirming' by the estate, or a suggestion by WR, because I assume it is that same list that was spoken of last year.
http://t.radaronline.com/entry/view/id/86267 (Michael Jackson spent $35 million to silence 17 young boys he abused over 15 years/secret FBI-files)
Ofcourse, Anthony Pellicano was key in creating those files, including the names of 17 boys.
And we all know that he already accused Michael back in 2011 that [size=36pt[/size]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2023974/Anthony-Pellicano-claims-Michael-Jackson-did-far-worse-molest-young-boys.html
It certainly doesn't look good when it comes to name clearing, whether these allegations are BS or NOT.
The Closer You Think You Are The Less You'll Actually See..........go further in order to view the whole picture :icon_pale:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYw2nj36NCM[/youtube]
]'he did far worse to young boys than molest them'
what could he do that could be worse? perhaps get them caught up in a web of deception that they can not get out of?
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Applehead, isn't that quote from the movie Now You See Me? A great clue movie, IMO. In any case, I think Wade is helping to set something up. If Michael wants to clear his name once and for all, he may choose to revisit the matter and deal with it head on once and for all. After all, it's from TMZ!
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Applehead, isn't that quote from the movie Now You See Me? A great clue movie, IMO. In any case, I think Wade is helping to set something up. If Michael wants to clear his name once and for all, he may choose to revisit the matter and deal with it head on once and for all. After all, it's from TMZ!
HOW? How is more allegations EVER going to clear his name?
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Applehead, isn't that quote from the movie Now You See Me? A great clue movie, IMO. In any case, I think Wade is helping to set something up. If Michael wants to clear his name once and for all, he may choose to revisit the matter and deal with it head on once and for all. After all, it's from TMZ!
HOW? How is more allegations EVER going to clear his name?
That is a good question and I can't say I have the answer. After all, Michael has outthought me at every turn so far! I'm not so sure all the PR over the last 5 years has done much to change the minds of the people who believed he was/is a pedophile. Perhaps Michael is using this story to gauge public reaction. Perhaps Wade is part of a sting operation. I really don't know. But I'm convinced Wade Robson is working under Michael's direction. And if he drew the short straw and gets to play the bad guy for the moment, so be it.
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Applehead, isn't that quote from the movie Now You See Me? A great clue movie, IMO. In any case, I think Wade is helping to set something up. If Michael wants to clear his name once and for all, he may choose to revisit the matter and deal with it head on once and for all. After all, it's from TMZ!
HOW? How is more allegations EVER going to clear his name?
That is a good question and I can't say I have the answer. After all, Michael has outthought me at every turn so far! I'm not so sure all the PR over the last 5 years has done much to change the minds of the people who believed he was/is a pedophile. Perhaps Michael is using this story to gauge public reaction. Perhaps Wade is part of a sting operation. I really don't know. But I'm convinced Wade Robson is working under Michael's direction. And if he drew the short straw and gets to play the bad guy for the moment, so be it.
I bet Michael is furious and does not understand how a guy he helped and respected could do this to him. Wade thinks he's home free because he thinks Michael is dead. This is really filed, Wade is really accusing him of molesting him. This is not part of any hoax other then Wade's story is pure BS.
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Applehead, isn't that quote from the movie Now You See Me? A great clue movie, IMO. In any case, I think Wade is helping to set something up. If Michael wants to clear his name once and for all, he may choose to revisit the matter and deal with it head on once and for all. After all, it's from TMZ!
HOW? How is more allegations EVER going to clear his name?
That is a good question and I can't say I have the answer. After all, Michael has outthought me at every turn so far! I'm not so sure all the PR over the last 5 years has done much to change the minds of the people who believed he was/is a pedophile. Perhaps Michael is using this story to gauge public reaction. Perhaps Wade is part of a sting operation. I really don't know. But I'm convinced Wade Robson is working under Michael's direction. And if he drew the short straw and gets to play the bad guy for the moment, so be it.
I bet Michael is furious and does not understand how a guy he helped and respected could do this to him. Wade thinks he's home free because he thinks Michael is dead. This is really filed, Wade is really accusing him of molesting him. This is not part of any hoax other then Wade's story is pure BS.
:th_bravo:
I think the same !! Great words!!!
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Applehead, isn't that quote from the movie Now You See Me? A great clue movie, IMO. In any case, I think Wade is helping to set something up. If Michael wants to clear his name once and for all, he may choose to revisit the matter and deal with it head on once and for all. After all, it's from TMZ!
HOW? How is more allegations EVER going to clear his name?
That is a good question and I can't say I have the answer. After all, Michael has outthought me at every turn so far! I'm not so sure all the PR over the last 5 years has done much to change the minds of the people who believed he was/is a pedophile. Perhaps Michael is using this story to gauge public reaction. Perhaps Wade is part of a sting operation. I really don't know. But I'm convinced Wade Robson is working under Michael's direction. And if he drew the short straw and gets to play the bad guy for the moment, so be it.
Personally I do not think WR is helping MJ, quite the opposite. People who believed (and still believe) that MJ is a pedophile, this accusation "confirm" their belief.
How great is the love or appreciation WR for MJ? Enough to put your own image in the eye of the storm. I do not think MJ is able to ask for that.
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I think MJ is playing chess and is always a few moves ahead of his opponent. And time is not a worry to him; from June 25,09 he may have a 10, 20, or 30 year plan, who knows. Thus I cannot rule out either scenarios.
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I think MJ is playing chess and is always a few moves ahead of his opponent. And time is not a worry to him; from June 25,09 he may have a 10, 20, or 30 year plan, who knows. Thus I cannot rule out either scenarios.
Well, when all else fails, I like to look at the evidence. I did a search on Wade Robson and the ONLY recent articles are from TMZ! There are several citations from 2013 other than TMZ, but not in 2014. Given that, I would have to conclude that this is just another fantasy story emanating from The Michael Zone.
Is it a chess game? Or is it already Game Over? Who really are (or shall I say 'were') Michael's opponents? If Michael really is as you suggest always a few moves ahead, what do we have to worry about except whether or not we'll still be alive when he returns? On the other hand, what else is there to do in the interim but hang out here and speculate on 'what next?'
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I think MJ is playing chess and is always a few moves ahead of his opponent. And time is not a worry to him; from June 25,09 he may have a 10, 20, or 30 year plan, who knows. Thus I cannot rule out either scenarios.
Hi Mjonmind,
Who is his opponent and who is he playing chess with? MJ simply cannot oversee what is going to happen in the future because there are so many factors that can influence his 'chess game'. 'The world' is simply too big for one man to 'control' in a plan (or he must be God). If this hoax has serious reasons (inevitable at this point in my opinion) than time HAS to be a worry for him. No time for a 30 year plan...
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I think MJ is playing chess and is always a few moves ahead of his opponent. And time is not a worry to him; from June 25,09 he may have a 10, 20, or 30 year plan, who knows. Thus I cannot rule out either scenarios.
MJonline I agree 50% with you I think time is not a worry for MJ but in any case I think his comeback will take more than 10 years since June 25.
Gwynned agree with you, I'm not sure WR is against MJ quite the contrary so I believe WR could be helping him.
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After being a huge believer since 6/25/09 and studying every last detail like Dave Dave and fake funeral photos iv yet become more convinced, my wife watches tv and I see on NBC they are focusing on the word believe and on dateline, one of her shows she likes there are episodes of faked deaths it seems the media is attracted towards Mike's hoax and are inspired by it but don't reference to it but instead give clues I know this is a crazy thought but its my real opinion. I wish we could all see michael again and like sweet says it will likely take him ten plus years I thought this all along I wish he would just come back I have this idea to help Michael I think we need to somehow form a support group and agree to help him when he returns and where could he be? I'm thinking he's in a house in the woods somewhere and also think of this, michael Jackson is the most famous person alive or even ever in history still alive so I do not believe he was broke like they said no matter how many homes he bought or other debts he had there's no way ever he was broke I think he gave a huge amount to the government themselves and then went into hiding ands I believe he did it for his safety or he might have just gotten sick of fans. Michael is the kindest person and I know that he's still helping family,children and people all over but my wish is to help him realize we know he's alive and we need him back! He was saying he wanted to. Get into. Film maybe this is work in progress. :screaming-7365: Michel where did you.........go?
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so i saw this and it got me to thinking. i wanted to see something of wade dancing as an adult.
http://wn.com/wade_robson_on_dancing_with_the_stars i was kind of like :WTF: when i saw this . remember the video for behind the mask? what do you all think? am i a total nut case? ( ok don't answer that out loud :smiley_abuv:)
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Wade Robson is full of bs. Nobody believes him and honestly I think posting Robsons name just give fuel to the fire. Hes broke as a joke and after he broke up JT and Britney up, he has ZERO credibility in Hollywood and cannot be trusted at all. He can't even really get a job and now he knows this is the easiest way to put money in his account. Anybody can cry wolf, but it doesn't make any of it true. I never thought MJ was guilty. No parent in their right mind would take money if they truly thought someone was guilty. They would want the pedo under the jail. kwim?
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Michael Jackson Sex Abuse Accuser Wade Robson Wants To Review MJ's Molestation Criminal File!!!
Michael Jackson's lawyers for his estate are in a legal tug of war with Wade Robson who claims the late singer molested him for seven years starting when he was seven-years-old.
Robson's lawyers are trying to get MJ's legal team to give them access to the late singer's Santa Barbara molestation criminal file, but the estate legal team are balking at that request!
The docs that are being requested by Robson's lawyers are the following:
http://perezhilton.com/2014-05-24-michael-jackson-sex-abuse-accuser-wade-robson-review-molestation-criminal-file#.U4JV7vl_uqg
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Michael Jackson Sex Abuse Accuser Wade Robson Wants To Review MJ's Molestation Criminal File!!!
Michael Jackson's lawyers for his estate are in a legal tug of war with Wade Robson who claims the late singer molested him for seven years starting when he was seven-years-old.
Robson's lawyers are trying to get MJ's legal team to give them access to the late singer's Santa Barbara molestation criminal file, but the estate legal team are balking at that request!
The docs that are being requested by Robson's lawyers are the following:
http://perezhilton.com/2014-05-24-michael-jackson-sex-abuse-accuser-wade-robson-review-molestation-criminal-file#.U4JV7vl_uqg
Sounds off... he wouldn't need the estate to "give" him the court documents. They are public record. All you have to do is contact the courthouse and pay for the copies. Anyone can do it... even you and me.
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A great article by MJ Truth Now that ties Wade Robson to AEG
http://mjjtruthnow.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/wade-robson-2/ (http://mjjtruthnow.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/wade-robson-2/)
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A great article by MJ Truth Now that ties Wade Robson to AEG
http://mjjtruthnow.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/wade-robson-2/ (http://mjjtruthnow.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/wade-robson-2/)
Thanks :),this fit well with the phrase........ "everything is CONnected" :LolLolLolLol: :thjajaja121: :icon_geek: !!!!
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What day is the civil case scheduled for? Or has it been thrown out?
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A hearing is set for October 2014
More info here.
http://www.dailymichael.com/lawsuits/robson-v-estate/276-robson-v-estate-case-updates#.U86-soIF6oA.twitter (http://www.dailymichael.com/lawsuits/robson-v-estate/276-robson-v-estate-case-updates#.U86-soIF6oA.twitter)
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Thanks for that link RK, I too was wondering what was happening with this case.
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Thanks, RK! :bearhug:
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eydTdYhEPcs&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
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http://michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-wade-robson-part-1-of-5/
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One of the things I would like to talk about (as in 'the other scenarios) but yet I'm afraid to.....
How can we be a 1.000 % sure that Wade Robson, and others who came forward, are all liars?
(Please, all I want is a decent discussion, and in no way am I accusing anyone. If this discussion is not allowed, then I ask a moderator to delete this post).
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I have read the trials transcripts, it gave me a good and very clear vision of how they tryed to frame MJ. And how the acussers have lied. it was always about the money in everything. I have read in transcripts and other sources. and yeah i know MJ did pay out , there was in the clausule, that MJ never admitted he had abused or touched that Kid. Both parties had signed that, ask yourself would you do the same if it was son? , i know i would not, if someone would touch or abuse my son, he would be dragged to court, there would be no money in the world that could pay of someone touching my son.
Remember MJ had his trial, and there was a jury, MJ was acquitted of all charges.
Everyone knows the minorty of people all over the world were feeding by press/media, we know the media has made him look guilty before the trial had even started. So i bet even jury members were some sort of indoctrinated by the media, i have read or saw an interview with one of the jury members, who said they would have found him guilty if he was, but there were no grounds to find him guilty, to me it felt like they were even eager to say he was guilty, but there was nothing to condemn MJ.. Nothing!
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Hi Do. I assume that the majority of members on this forum are convinced of Michael's innocence in this matter, hence the desire to see his vindication that is so evident. As well as all of the material 'out there' that we are all familiar with (from both sides), for me, what has always been overlooked is that Michael never hid his love and care for children. It was on display for the whole world to see even down to the brass statues around the grounds of Neverland that depicted boys and girls at play in many settings.
In the recently exposed cases of Jimmy Saville or Rolf Harris, it seems these two hid that aspect of their lives beneath the veneer of a somewhat more 'traditional' projection of appearances, not flaunt it before the eyes of the world. If something untoward was Michael's agenda here, then being so open about his desire to be surrounded by children and childhood in general would not be a smart thing to do I would think.
I probably would not be an impartial debater on this topic I am afraid, as this is the reason I am here in a nut shell. Because I am incensed to the very depths of my soul that a man can be vilified, crucified, ridiculed, judged, robbed and every other adjective you can think of that is applicable here because he may be a little different or eccentric. I also want to add right about here that I also don't think MJ was perfect or some saint either, he was just a person, albeit a very talented and kind person who lived in the most unusual of circumstances that we call celebrity.
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Interesting reading.....
http://mjjr.net/robson/robson_film.html (http://mjjr.net/robson/robson_film.html)
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Hi Shy and RK,
Thank you for your answers, please don't think that I go with every lie that is told in the media. Up untill Robson and Safechuck came out with their accusations, I wouldn't even start to discuss this. In the cases of the Chandlers and Arvizos it was pretty evident that money was the reason behind all of it. However, after Robson (who vehemently denied abuse in the past, even testified in favor of Michael) and Safechuck (never read something about him in his adult years), and after I read some quotes of Ken Lanning (former FBI agent and now consultant in crimes against children), it is not too crazy to ask yourself the question: are these men lying or not?
Child-lover molesters almost never use violence for sex, said Lanning. Instead, they groom and seduce and manipulate and use cooperation to get what they want out of the child. "I can't tell you how many cases where there are letters from the victim written to the accused, saying, 'You're the nicest person I ever met,' or 'You've been so good to me,'" said Lanning. Many victims don't tell anyone of the inappropriate behavior because they are considered "compliant child victims." "A child can't legally consent to having sex, but some of them aren't necessarily fighting him off," said Lanning. "They're developmentally immature, and later they feel ashamed and embarrassed that they cooperated in their victimization."
Because victims of acquaintance exploitation usually have been carefully seduced and often do not realize they are victims, they repeatedly and voluntarily return to the offender. Society and the criminal-justice system have a difficult time understanding this. If a boy is molested by his neighbor, teacher, or clergy member, why does he "allow" it to continue? Most likely he may not initially realize he is a victim. Some victims are simply willing to trade sex for attention, affection, and gifts and do not believe they are victims. The sex itself might even be enjoyable. The offender may be treating them better than anyone has ever treated them.
Most of these victims never disclose their victimization. Younger children may believe they did something "wrong" or "bad" and are afraid of getting into trouble. Older children may be more ashamed and embarrassed. Many victims not only do not disclose, but they strongly deny it happened when confronted. In one case several boys took the stand and testified concerning the high moral character of the accused molester. When the accused molester changed his plea to guilty, he admitted that the boys who testified for him were also victims.
The most common reasons that victims do not disclose are stigma of homosexuality, lack of societal understanding, presence of positive feelings for the offender, embarrassment or fear over their victimization, or do not believe they are victims. Since most of the offenders are male, the stigma of homosexuality is a serious problem for male victims. Although being seduced by a male child molester does not necessarily make a boy a homosexual, the victims do not understand this. If a victim does disclose, he believes that he is risking significant ridicule by his peers and lack of acceptance by his family.
And:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/nice-guy-molesters-believe-theyre-child-lovers/blogEntry?id=14971620&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.nl%2F
(It wouldn't let me copy and paste the text)
In the Savile case, the claims of abuse came forward almost a year after his death.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scandal
Again, I'm NOT saying Michael was an abuser, I AM saying: how can we 1000% sure these man (Robson and Safechuck) are lying?
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Hi Do,
Have you read the link i put inhere Do? vindicate MJ (what the hell is wrong with Wade Robson) ?, to me it's obvious Wade it's not telling the truth. I saw him saying that he did knew it all this time that MJ had molested him. still he was at MJ's funeral crying, still he praised MJ and saying he felt compasion towards MJ , when the reporter asked him him how he felt towards MJ , and this was after he acused MJ , He gave tributes to a man who he claimed molested him fo 7 years.
He claimed it was his kid who remind him of what happened to him, still he said in that same interview he knew it all this time. He does contradict himself imo. ëxperts people who have been molested in their childhood, would nod what happend to them. But he said he did know all this time he was molested
when he did testify he was a little boy, in 2011 he wasent a little boy anymore, and the timing is very suspicious to me, he didn't get any work from the estate, infact he was replaced for another choreographer. I am not sure about this but ,wasen't he bankrupt?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL4tyu65mho
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As well as all of the material 'out there' that we are all familiar with (from both sides), for me, what has always been overlooked is that Michael never hid his love and care for children. It was on display for the whole world to see even down to the brass statues around the grounds of Neverland that depicted boys and girls at play in many settings.
Both Savile (Much of Savile's career involved working with children and young people, including visiting schools and hospital wards. At the time of his death, and funeral in Leeds Cathedral, he was widely praised for his charity and voluntary activities as well as his entertainment work) and Sandusky (said he loved being around kids and started the successful Second Mile Charity) were known for their love for children.
That is why we have to be careful and not immediately call everyone a liar, as hard as this is.
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Hi Shy,
Yes I scanned through the link you put up (thank you for that, it was a reeaaal long one, I have to read it again more carefully right now!) and indeed it IS all highly suspicious, however I would like to wait and hear what will happen in October, that's when a court hearing is scheduled if I remember it correctly.
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Do, Savile did infact say he didn't like children.
"Savile claimed the key to his success on Jim'll Fix It had been that he disliked children, although he later admitted to saying it to deflect scrutiny of his personal life. He did not own a computer, as he did not want people to think he was downloading child pornography.[14] In a 1990 interview for The Independent on Sunday
^^^ this is what I was saying about being duplicitous before.
As far as I am seeing, Savile was protected from the consequences while he was alive. By whom? Well that is another whole conspiracy theory there. Allegations against him dated back to at least 1950. None ever made it into court.
An especially vile character as his interests were for the mentally challenged children within institutions and hospitals and also necrophillia.
From his actions, I would say that Savile was telling the truth when he said he didn't like children. His actions are hate crimes.
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Hi Shy,
Yes I scanned through the link you put up (thank you for that, it was a reeaaal long one, I have to read it again more carefully right now!) and indeed it IS all highly suspicious, however I would like to wait and hear what will happen in October, that's when a court hearing is scheduled if I remember it correctly.
Yes Do, :) it is a very long post, but the longer the more detailed, imo
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^^^RK, it wasn't right from me to 'compare' Savile and Michael, for obvious reasons. i'm sorry for that.
Michael was displaying his love for children and I have not a single shred of doubt in my heart that his love for them wasn't pure and sincere.
Maybe I can give you another example. A female co-worker of mine had, while (happily) married, a short (and sexual) relationship with another co-worker (also married). Because people started to suspect 'something' was going on, she took a step ahead and, in some kind of 'joky' manner, 'admitted' she and him were totally in love and crazy about one another. That isn't something people expect to hear, they expect strong denials and exasperation. Thus, they concluded, they were totally wrong about their suspicion of this so called 'love-affair', because if this affair were true, she wouldn't be so 'in their face' about it.
I don't know if I have made clear what I was trying to tell you. But in short: sometimes 'in your face' is the best disguise.
And, once again, I know this is a very difficult subject and I am not accusing anyone, just trying to compare some parallels.
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All it takes is for one domino to fall...
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@ Do, after reading all your posts on this topic, I have to wonder what your motive is and what point you are trying to prove. Theres no point in steady beating a dead horse kwim? We are all fans here, but it seems that some "fans" are out to continue to cause division within the MJ community. And I always wonder why. Then it seems as if its from those that don't post often or had a long vacation between the posts and then suddenly pop up again with negative comments.
Anyway I know that MJ was investigated by the FBI for over 10 years. If the FBI investigates you, believe me, if you are doing wrong, they will find out. They leave no stone unturned. Its always been that way. That speaks volumes. They found nothing on him. Neither did the police during the raid. Nothing. Zilch.
Also, if someone abused my kid, I wouldn't take a dime from them. I want them under the prison. Of course we all have to be realistic and think of the what if. But, there is no evidence of any abuse. Anybody could be accused of being a child molester, but without evidence, there is no proof. That's all we have to go on. I believe that MJ was innocent. I do think he should've made wiser choices though.
I think he was blackballed in Hollywood by the Illuminati because he didn't want to do what they said. The more he spoke out against them, the more the accusations came in the media. Wade Robson is flat broke. He was blackballed in Hollywood once he slept with Britney Spears and broke her and J. Timberlake up and had the audacity to call Justin and tell him about it. He hasn't worked since. Hes a liar, has no character and is broke. Lets not forget that ROBSON is the one who testified and said that MJ did NOTHING to him. Nobody forced him to come to that courtroom. He voluntarily came. Think about that
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HI Michaelslady,
Do is also a Fan or admirer of MJ, we all are, maybe i am also not allowed to say anything because i don't post for long times either. i have been a member from 2010 and i read almost everyday, tho there were times i felt out/ not accepted. so i didnt say anything for some time, finally i have the feeling things are different now. so i tried to post again, but remember i never left, like many of us.
And i do like the debate, and i do believe ,we all are entiltled to say what we want as long it's done in a respectfull way to other members as well towards MJ, and to me DO did that..
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@ Do, after reading all your posts on this topic, I have to wonder what your motive is and what point you are trying to prove. Theres no point in steady beating a dead horse kwim? We are all fans here, but it seems that some "fans" are out to continue to cause division within the MJ community. And I always wonder why. Then it seems as if its from those that don't post often or had a long vacation between the posts and then suddenly pop up again with negative comments.
Anyway I know that MJ was investigated by the FBI for over 10 years. If the FBI investigates you, believe me, if you are doing wrong, they will find out. They leave no stone unturned. Its always been that way. That speaks volumes. They found nothing on him. Neither did the police during the raid. Nothing. Zilch.
Also, if someone abused my kid, I wouldn't take a dime from them. I want them under the prison. Of course we all have to be realistic and think of the what if. But, there is no evidence of any abuse. Anybody could be accused of being a child molester, but without evidence, there is no proof. That's all we have to go on. I believe that MJ was innocent. I do think he should've made wiser choices though.
I think he was blackballed in Hollywood by the Illuminati because he didn't want to do what they said. The more he spoke out against them, the more the accusations came in the media. Wade Robson is flat broke. He was blackballed in Hollywood once he slept with Britney Spears and broke her and J. Timberlake up and had the audacity to call Justin and tell him about it. He hasn't worked since. Hes a liar, has no character and is broke. Lets not forget that ROBSON is the one who testified and said that MJ did NOTHING to him. Nobody forced him to come to that courtroom. He voluntarily came. Think about that
I understand you're confused. But there are no motives an no points to prove. Just a debate about 'other scenario's'. I'm mainly pointing to the 'new' cases. Wade's accusation is highly doubtful, but what about Jimmy Safechuck's?
You said you wouldn't take a dime, but would you let your kid sleep night after night in a hotelroom in bed with an adult male, while you stayed across the street in another hotel? Some people have different morals then others. So yes, some would take the money and stay silent. To be clear, this is (again) no accusation against Michael.
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Robson is asking for $1.62 billion
And here comes safechuck looking for a piece of that big payout day......
http://patch.com/california/studio-city/valley-man-asks-court-permission-file-late-abuse-claims-against-michael/#.U-GJx_mSxn8 (http://patch.com/california/studio-city/valley-man-asks-court-permission-file-late-abuse-claims-against-michael/#.U-GJx_mSxn8)
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A list of useful links for anyone who wishes to look into this topic. Please share.
UPDATE: LINKS exposing LIES abt MJ &false allegations from @DiDimond ,Sneddon&co
RT - #Mjfam List of useful LINKS to expose the LIES about MJ & false allegations from @DiDimond ,Robson, Safechuck, Sneddon &co.
Please share and spread them whenever and wherever it will be necessary to shovel down ignorants', haters’ and liars' mouths!
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Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck
1. Wade Robson – When things don’t add up … [AEG involvement] - http://mjjtruthnow.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/wade-robson-2/
2. The sworn testimony that will come back to haunt Wade Robson - http://charlesthomsonjournalist.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/the-sworn-testimony-that-will-come-back.html
3. What does the AEG trial have to do with Wade Robson and Blanca Francia? - http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/what-does-the-aeg-trial-have-to-do-with-wade-robson-and-blanca-francia/
4. Mesereau on AEG trial, Wade Robson and Debbie Rowe http://youtu.be/tJ5lY-O85UM
5. Tom Mesereau is back on King Jordan! Talking Wade Robson, Tom Sneddon, Debbie Rowe: http://youtu.be/7UIg6yB8bCw
6. What the HELL is wrong with Wade Robson? The Events so far - Part 1 of 4 - http://michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-wade-robson-part-1-of-5/
7. Wade Robson Destroyed: http://youtu.be/eydTdYhEPcs
8. Michael Jackson: Myth Vs Reality (& Jimmy Safechuck): http://youtu.be/kaqdnA0SvLk
9. Checkmate, Jimmy Safechuck: http://youtu.be/PH-nIXpoOAc
10. Diane Dimond knew days in advance before the allegation was made; Jimmy Safechuck's allegation wasn't the first one that @DiDimond got tipped off in advance: --- https://twitter.com/TrootResearch77/status/473605687306878976 ; --- http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/fact-checking-diane-dimond%E2%80%99s-lies-from-trutv%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cin-session%E2%80%9D/
11. Lost in Foreverland @ANeverlandDream - If we all could raise our voice as ONE, We can break this CYCLE of USERS. #StopTheLiesAgainstMichaelJackson- https://twitter.com/ANeverlandDream/status/477932000905797632/photo/1
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Diane DIMOND
.............................“Why work when you can sue Michael Jackson?” -Tom Messereau
Why find a real job, when you can report misleading "facts" abt MJ? hummm @DiDimond ?
1. Exposing Diane Dimond - http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php?t=276571
2. part 1-"A Dossier of Dirty Diane" @DiDimond - http://www.mj-777.com/?p=7101
3. part 2-"A Dossier of Dirty Diane" @DiDimond - http://www.mj-777.com/?p=7151
4. Time to stop taking Diane Dimond’s LIES for Blanca Francia’s DEPOSITION - http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2013/05/23/time-to-stop-taking-diane-dimonds-lies-for-blanca-francias-deposition/
5. Fact Checking Diane Dimond’s Lies from TruTV’s “In Session” - http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/fact-checking-diane-dimond%E2%80%99s-lies-from-trutv%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cin-session%E2%80%9D/
6. DIANE DIMOND in a case of a HOMELESS KID and a pedophile RODNEY ALLEN - http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/homelesskid-rodneyallen-dimond/
7. Aphrodite Jones RIPPS Diane Dimond to pieces on King Jordan Radio!: http://youtu.be/dI5NcczE-9U
8. Evidence of Diane Dimond's lies - clips part 1: http://youtu.be/DCLyYE7gNxY
9. Diane Dimond's Hypocrisy in Covering Gavin Arvizo and Jerry Sandusky's Victim: http://youtu.be/TG3Bgwj-2Mw
10. Excellent video exposing the perverted Diane DIMOND, V. Gutierez & P. Baressi! - WHO KILLED MICHAEL JACKSON ? Part 1 - http://youtu.be/JJP1HHuI6TY
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Tom SNEDDON
............................"This prosecution was a travesty of justice and one of the most mean-spirited
..............................attacks on an innocent person in legal history.” -Tom Mesereau
https://twitter.com/TheDancingMoon/status/477443060868333568/photo/1
1. Sneddon manufactured false finger prints&false phone conspiracy evidence& other false allegations - http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/wewantjusticeformj
2. New allegations against prosecutor of M. Jackson - http://www.mjfancommunity.com/snedon.htm
3. Posts tagged ‘Tom Sneddon’ - https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/tag/tom-sneddon/
4. THE COURAGE OF TRUTH vs. THE FEAR OF TOM SNEDDON - https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/the-courage-of-truth-vs-the-fear-of-tom-sneddon/
5. The Chronicle of Tom Sneddon’s Vendetta Against Michael Jackson. THE SAGA OF ARROGANCE AND DESPERATION - http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/the-chronicle-of-tom-sneddons-vendetta-against-michael-jackson-the-saga-of-arrogance-and-desperation/
6. The Corrupt History of District Attorney Tom Sneddon - http://rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=64536 @almightyk9
7. How Many Boys Did Tom Sneddon REALLY Accuse Michael Jackson Of Molesting? - http://michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com/2013/05/14/how-many-boys-was-michael-jackson-really-accused-of-molesting/
8. Tom Sneddon SLAMMED on LIVE TV: http://youtu.be/x390rVfx3Qg
9. The truth about Tom Sneddon?: http://youtu.be/VkiTr9vrnDU
10. The truth about Tom Sneddon? ~Part 2~: http://youtu.be/AwRNCK7zT7I
11. Sneddon did his own investigation of the M. Jackson allegations!: http://youtu.be/xNMWB0nMw-8
12. Geraldo Rivera & guests about Tom Sneddon (2004): http://youtu.be/p2_ROMwK60Q
13. More Geraldo Rivera & guests talking about MJ and Tom Sneddon: http://youtu.be/3iRG7SlDLXM
14. PROOF that Michael Jackson WAS NOT a child abuser and that he was FRAMED by Tom Sneddon: http://youtu.be/2LusbYeiKx8
15. If timing is everything, Sneddon and Arvizo should be in jail!: http://youtu.be/IBQxQPMnpfg
16. Tom Sneddon's pension - http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/118328-Tom-Sneddon-s-pension?s=b16295b1227acc2ff785c8b56db6ac71
17. Sneddon & Ray Chandler - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eumg-g9F8bs&feature=youtu.be
18. Posts from the ‘RAY CHANDLER WAS SUBPOENAED to prove his “All that glitters” lies in court. Why did he fight it?’ Category - http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/category/ray-chandler-was-subpoenaed-to-prove-his-all-that-glitters-lies-in-court-why-did-he-fight-it/
19. Raymond Chandler talks Michael Jackson & Jordy Chandler part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoOWLbmhBwk
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The MEDIA lies
1. The Media Gets Exposed For Lying About Michael Jackson!: http://youtu.be/FGsZSj4YTHo
2. One of the Most Shameful Episodes In Journalistic History - http://huff.to/bLUcE6
3. Throwing Stones to Hide Your Hands: The Mortal Persona of Michael Jackson - http://elizabethamisu.com/post/88515649217/throwing-stones-to-hide-your-hands-the-mortal-persona
4. Posts from the ‘FACT CHECKING Michael Jackson’s HATERS’ Category - http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/category/fact-checking-michael-jacksons-haters/
5. Michael Jackson was INNOCENT! PROOF! Tom Mesereau Had Witnesses Ready to Testify against Chandler - http://youtu.be/1BhNd3C7dCc
6. ABC Facts of Michael Jackson’s INNOCENCE - http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/the-abc-facts-of-michael-jacksons-innocence/
7. Debunking the Demonic Deception: The Story of Michael Jackson and The Truth - http://reflectionsonthedance.wordpress.com/2011/08/13/debunking-the-demonic-deception-the-story-of-michael-jackson-and-the-truth/
8. Michael Jackson FBI FILES RELEASE.PROOF that Michael Jackson was not a child abuser - http://youtu.be/LUu9pWTZFXA
9. A Vanguard for Michael – Tom Mesereau - http://mjjjusticeproject.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/tom-mesereau/
10. Tom Mesereau - Speech at Harvard Law School Nov 2005 (full version): http://youtu.be/o6ksTOKoz10
11. Aphrodite Jones and Thomas Mesereau: http://youtu.be/HIwehjDPOYU
12. Message-Rare Michael Jackson footage !!!!!: http://youtu.be/qByWWWYaAqc
13. Vindication Day: An Article on the Most Important Day in the Michael Jackson Calendar http://www.sylmortilla.com/vindication-day
14. United Fans Calling Michael Jackson: http://youtu.be/tN3JTEL4Q_0
15. It’s Not Up To Michael Jackson’s Fans To Prove That He Was Innocent; It’s Up To Michael Jackson’s HATERS To PROVE That He Was Guilty! - http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/its-not-up-to-michael-jacksons-fans-to-prove-that-he-was-innocent-its-up-to-michael-jacksons-haters-to-prove-that-he-was-guilty
16. The Lynching of Michael Jackson by Jeff Koopersmith http://wp.me/p1iFF1-1MO via @MJJJusticePrjct
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Applehead, isn't that quote from the movie Now You See Me? A great clue movie, IMO. In any case, I think Wade is helping to set something up. If Michael wants to clear his name once and for all, he may choose to revisit the matter and deal with it head on once and for all. After all, it's from TMZ!
HOW? How is more allegations EVER going to clear his name?
That is a good question and I can't say I have the answer. After all, Michael has outthought me at every turn so far! I'm not so sure all the PR over the last 5 years has done much to change the minds of the people who believed he was/is a pedophile. Perhaps Michael is using this story to gauge public reaction. Perhaps Wade is part of a sting operation. I really don't know. But I'm convinced Wade Robson is working under Michael's direction. And if he drew the short straw and gets to play the bad guy for the moment, so be it.
Ha! :icon_lol: yeah. There used to be a looong list of molesters of children held by the JW church officials. These hundreds of thousands of names were supposedly adults within the various fellowships nationwide who approached elders for absolution or counseling or behavior modification from the church, and also reported names from victims in the churches, who were "hushed up" and counselled as well by the hierarchy. They said that no one would be served by public scorn of the sick and the injured (and most of the injured were not taken seriously as victims but as disrespectful kids trying to control certain adults with lies).
None :icon_e_confused: of these cases ever were investigated by law enforcement or social services, as the church wished to handle things, themselves... except a few who were terrorized enough to leave the church and seek legal advice. This alleged list was a holy grail when the Federal Sex Offender legislation was enacted which made it a crime not to report this to police, and required public register of such felons, and law enforcement tried to get it by any means. I never heard any more about it.
Perhaps they never could get the church officials to admit they kept such records, and MJ who may have been muscled more than once by "Them" and realized the true existence of it, is using someone who owes him bigtime to break these secrets wide open. I don't logically see how, but we don't really have enough facts yet. Was this guy a JW ever? Maybe they are trying to force the church governors to cough up something on MJ to silence all the persecution of "one of their own" (since he's died), as a wedge which will open the secret vault of ALL the records? They once were all about protecting their own "faithful".... Maybe they just need to be able to prove SOME thing on him was kept in those records, in order to subpoena EVERYTHING on record there? IDK. It could very well be a sting of sorts, and Mr. "Rhinocerous skin" would be the perfect hero to FAKE a fall for this! :bowdown: :woohoo2: ;D I'm just hiding and watching, WOW! :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
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@ it's her,....From what source do you get your information ??
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Wow im seeing a lot of haters within the MJ community of so called fans lately. hmm. Wonder whos planting them?
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Wow im seeing a lot of haters within the MJ community of so called fans lately. hmm. Wonder whos planting them?
ummm i know you haven't been around too long but i don't think most of us would call ourselves fans. at least not in the sense of what fan means to a lot of people. but everyone just would like to see what the truth is and what is fair and just for michael. not looking at everything through rose colored glasses is not hate. just saying.
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No I haven't been here long, but been dedicated fan for 30+ years. I don't look at everything thru rose colored glasses. I guess I don't understand why someone who isn't "fan" would even waste their time here. I personally NEVER even visit forums or websites of people that im not a fan of. Im not a Beyoncé fan and wouldn't even waste a moment of my time commenting on anything regarding her, albeit good or bad. And I didn't necessarily mean just on this forum by my earlier post. I am seeing a lot of negativity from so called fans on facebook and twitter. Its weird to me.
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@ it's her,....From what source do you get your information ??
I read a lot. At one time it was my job to keep up with Sex Offender Law and news. That's when I first learned about the supposed "list" or records. When clergy in the Catholic church began to make headlines as child abusers, a "btw" was in that news that other churches have their own (private, internal) ways of dealing with self-confessed or accused abusers, also, and that the JW church had kept extensive records on members, since its beginning beCAUSE of their practice to micromanage the members' personal spiritual walks and progress, with threats of being excommunicated for not being fully submitting to church authority and personal directives of elders. I have read enough religious (not only JW) horror stories in books, to think that some of it is more than just disgruntled ex-members lashing out. But it is the actual court cases which ring true. People who are shamed into conformity for generations do not go to the expense of sticking their neck out in courts of law, embarrassing their families, unless there has been real injury to be addressed.
The material I read at that time is long gone in my old work files, but may be online somewhere. It wasn't classified or anything, but in the daily news (for what that's worth). But here is a link to examples of the kind of things which happened and how the church misguidedly tried to handle criminal situations "in house". In some cases, it appears that elders simply didn't believe what they were hearing from women and children as they reported such filth about respected ministers, known to them! But whatever---they had no authority to block (by intimidation & censure of entire families) alleged victims from reporting this to law enforcement or Child Services for proper investigation. This is what people are up in arms about. ALL this festering injury under religious cover, and REPEATING instances!
http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2013/08/27/11068333/130812%20%20PLT%20%20complaint%20for%20damages_ENDORSED.pdf
And I didn't mean that MJ's old church government had any TRUE derogatory reports on him in any way! Only records documenting that, as one of their ministers, he was formally accused(and cleared of!)certain criminal events/ actions. We already KNOW it to be a fact that the church tried to interfere with his work and art, poisoning his mind about promoting the occult and creating product unbecoming a minister of the church with the Thriller short film...well, :suspect: :icon_e_surprised: unless he or Randy Taraborelli made that up, about why MJ placed a disclaimer at the beginning of the film. I know he has a flair for the :icon_albino: controversial, but I don't think he made that up about his own (then) church. I think it is evidence that someone HAD intimidated him about it!
They misunderstood him and leaned on him about it, to control him and he set everyone straight (and back, on their butts, btw! :th_bravo: ) by declaring his convictions ON the film and making history with it. Sometimes a man has to remind the confused herd WHO is the boss of his own soul and destiny. :icon_mrgreen: :smiley_abuv:
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Hello It's Her,
first, i want to thank you for your reply. i try to reply to you but it will be later, i have difficultys to explain what i want to say. due to language. and it will cost mtime wich i havent right now.
i will add a link about wade robsons body languages, wich is imo interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHdGRrkesfY
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@ShyBleuEyes, what are you trying to say regarding Robsons body language? Please enlighten me here. thanks
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Just watch the video michaelslady, it shows the liar that Wade is.
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No I haven't been here long, but been dedicated fan for 30+ years. I don't look at everything thru rose colored glasses. I guess I don't understand why someone who isn't "fan" would even waste their time here. I personally NEVER even visit forums or websites of people that im not a fan of. Im not a Beyoncé fan and wouldn't even waste a moment of my time commenting on anything regarding her, albeit good or bad. And I didn't necessarily mean just on this forum by my earlier post. I am seeing a lot of negativity from so called fans on facebook and twitter. Its weird to me.
I am one of those ,,isn"t a fan,, in your words
I explained how i ended up here many times,because with the o2 anouncement and his death i saw things that did not look okay to me..
I love the music from Michael,and now i love the person that i discovered he is, trough investigating but i never was a fan.
Before i knew nothing about him,just his music.
And yes if the same thing happened with beyonce,i would be here too.(i would not consider that a waste of my time also)
Because here it is in my opinion also about justice,and finding the truth,and less about being the biggest fan.
Because every person(wen there is reason to believe they are) mistreated like Michael deserves people's help in finding the truth.
And in finding the truth you have to looke at every angle..also the not so nice ones.
But that is not negativity from so called fans,it is being realistic!
We just need to respect each other :smiley_abuv:
I tried my best on the English writing,and hope it makes sense.
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It does Mattie
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@ShyBleuEyes, what are you trying to say regarding Robsons body language? Please enlighten me here. thanks
I always and still think MJ is innocent, and i like to add proof that he is innocent, also for people who come and visit the forum, but who doesn't have the knowledge or haven't dig into this story, i like to add proof and facts that will underline the truth, wich is that MJ never did something wrong to any child.
This vid was imo an interesting one, also because it's giving me a better view of how the mind and body works.
There is clearly a huge difference between Sandunsky's answers and MJ's way back, MJ said in de past, ï will slit my wrist if i ever did something wrong to any child, ( not an excact quote). When the interviewer asked Sandunsky the question if he is sexual attracted to boy's he is avoiding the question big time.
I hope i have answered your question Michaelslady, if not please say so..
I also just want to point out that Wade talks about his truth! so NOT the truth but his.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXXtfBG3z-I
i can not really explain it but this interview gave me the same feeling as the above clip of martin bashir . like there was a dread there about what was happening. with bashir it was like there was so much more that could be said but he couldn't . same way with wade like he was just there to repeat what the interviewer was putting out there and he was not liking the taste of it coming out of his mouth. does that make any sense to anyone?
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Hello It's Her,
first, i want to thank you for your reply. i try to reply to you but it will be later, i have difficultys to explain what i want to say. due to language. and it will cost mtime wich i havent right now.
i will add a link about wade robsons body languages, wich is imo interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHdGRrkesfY
Hi Shy, I think his body language is TOO subdued for him to be telling "his" truth or ANY other truth! :icon_e_biggrin: He has been "coached" very well---and I DO mean Hoax Coached!!! :icon_albino: Notice how he almost RECOILS from SAYing anything specifically creepy, as Matt Lauer prods him!!! It is very very very subtle...but he stays in character, bites the bullet and says JUST what M.L. said (loosely that:), "he did things to me and I did things to him".
Usually grown victims are so sickened & incensed by what things they remember of the abuse, and are shockingly plain about it in order to make their audience feel AS repulsed as well. Even victims who are horrified and almost ashamed of their part (being there, submitting to it), mince NO words about what happened lest they not be taken seriously. His :icon_arrow: milli-second hesitation to give what few gory details he could on television, tells what he knows to be true in his core, that MJ never did this. It doesn't ring true at all that he believed for one second that these kinds of acts are "loving", "but let's keep it between us". He wasn't 5, he was 7-14!, he said, and even a seven year old knows if you have to hide something from your parents or friends, IT MUST BE WRONG SOME how. Even a low functioning late bloomer would have realized it before 12, even if he didn’t do anything about it. YUK! :icon_mad: It's another LIE that he only reacted inside with disgust about this happening to him when he had a son himself! Who does THAT? :icon_e_confused: :errrr:
I believe WR is a big Hoaxer. Now...WHY?
Not only was it verrrry interesting :D that he volunteered the information that these memories were not "repressed memories”, but it is MORE interesting that Lauer and the body language expert went there as if it made a difference, or they were calling out the difference, officially. People have been winning court cases with "repressed" memories for decades, and about half the people who hear about these instances believe people can peacefully live years with their abuser and not KNOW it until someone digs in their minds and finds these "memories”. Actually, (and this is very unpopular) there is no such thing; people who were traumatized enough to have lost those memories are also damaged physically (in the brain, as in car crashes or beatings), and these memories are not recoverable, no matter who digs in there. Sometimes "suggestion by therapist" memories are taken for what they are worth, evidentially, and thrown out. Maybe that's why it was drawn attention to, there. Maybe that was the most important point of the entire interview, a point of contention in his case. Maybe this court case is to establish some manner of case law on this subject (if there is none already), and stop either batty or crafty criminal professionals from turning patients into cash cows by declaring “the doctrine of repressed memories” to be fiction? But if his memories were not ever repressed, just denied, this point is not even relevant. Idk, just reaching. But three people on the vid made a point about it in the space of a few minutes! :suspect: It means something...
Maybe WR only made the point of stating it so his case WON'T be thrown out as memories manufactured way after the fact. If so, he is expecting everyone to believe that these memories were on his mind AS he was covering for his abuser in right in court! Does that ever :icon_rolleyes: happen outside of some gangsters threatening your whole family if you don't testify FOR the accused? (Most victims are terrified of facing in court someone who hurt & humiliated them!) Is that what he is faking to reveal?? Nothing like this involves WR OR MJ truly. What :confused: is all this a smokescreen for, then? :Pulling_hair:
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Hello It's Her,
first, i want to thank you for your reply. i try to reply to you but it will be later, i have difficultys to explain what i want to say. due to language. and it will cost mtime wich i havent right now.
i will add a link about wade robsons body languages, wich is imo interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHdGRrkesfY
Hi Shy, I think his body language is TOO subdued for him to be telling "his" truth or ANY other truth! :icon_e_biggrin: He has been "coached" very well---and I DO mean Hoax Coached!!! :icon_albino: Notice how he almost RECOILS from SAYing anything specifically creepy, as Matt Lauer prods him!!! It is very very very subtle...but he stays in character, bites the bullet and says JUST what M.L. said (loosely that:), "he did things to me and I did things to him".
Usually grown victims are so sickened & incensed by what things they remember of the abuse, and are shockingly plain about it in order to make their audience feel AS repulsed as well. Even victims who are horrified and almost ashamed of their part (being there, submitting to it), mince NO words about what happened lest they not be taken seriously. His :icon_arrow: milli-second hesitation to give what few gory details he could on television, tells what he knows to be true in his core, that MJ never did this. It doesn't ring true at all that he believed for one second that these kinds of acts are "loving", "but let's keep it between us". He wasn't 5, he was 7-14!, he said, and even a seven year old knows if you have to hide something from your parents or friends, IT MUST BE WRONG SOME how. Even a low functioning late bloomer would have realized it before 12, even if he didn’t do anything about it. YUK! :icon_mad: It's another LIE that he only reacted inside with disgust about this happening to him when he had a son himself! Who does THAT? :icon_e_confused: :errrr:
I believe WR is a big Hoaxer. Now...WHY?
Not only was it verrrry interesting :D that he volunteered the information that these memories were not "repressed memories”, but it is MORE interesting that Lauer and the body language expert went there as if it made a difference, or they were calling out the difference, officially. People have been winning court cases with "repressed" memories for decades, and about half the people who hear about these instances believe people can peacefully live years with their abuser and not KNOW it until someone digs in their minds and finds these "memories”. Actually, (and this is very unpopular) there is no such thing; people who were traumatized enough to have lost those memories are also damaged physically (in the brain, as in car crashes or beatings), and these memories are not recoverable, no matter who digs in there. Sometimes "suggestion by therapist" memories are taken for what they are worth, evidentially, and thrown out. Maybe that's why it was drawn attention to, there. Maybe that was the most important point of the entire interview, a point of contention in his case. Maybe this court case is to establish some manner of case law on this subject (if there is none already), and stop either batty or crafty criminal professionals from turning patients into cash cows by declaring “the doctrine of repressed memories” to be fiction? But if his memories were not ever repressed, just denied, this point is not even relevant. Idk, just reaching. But three people on the vid made a point about it in the space of a few minutes! :suspect: It means something...
Maybe WR only made the point of stating it so his case WON'T be thrown out as memories manufactured way after the fact. If so, he is expecting everyone to believe that these memories were on his mind AS he was covering for his abuser in right in court! Does that ever :icon_rolleyes: happen outside of some gangsters threatening your whole family if you don't testify FOR the accused? (Most victims are terrified of facing in court someone who hurt & humiliated them!) Is that what he is faking to reveal?? Nothing like this involves WR OR MJ truly. What :confused: is all this a smokescreen for, then? :Pulling_hair:
there ya go ...... you found my words .....lol
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I find it hard to swallow that WR is part of the hoax, i don't think it will help MJ to further dirt his name. because there are lots of people who only hear what the media tells them. So the allegations will hang in their minds for ever, even while he was aquitted from it in 2005,there are still lots of people who believe the line "if there is smoke, there must be fire".
Strangely enough it's MJ who had to proof he is innocent for all these years, It's the law who says" innocent untill proven quilty".,and thats how it should be, but the world just doesn't seem to work that way,.... doesn't?
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From my personal interaction with people just this weekend, brought on by talk of Cliff Richard, I'd say the public is getting wise to the dubious actions of both the media and money hungry opportunists. These people I was with aren't particularly fans of MJ, but they don't believe he was ever guilty of anything, they didn't know about Robson and Safechuck but dismissed their claims as money grabbing, when I told them.
MJ fans tend, I think, to view the few vocal 'haters' as a reflection of the general public, but increasingly I don't think that's true.
The danger of course, in a swing from believing every allegation reported by the media, to believing nothing, is that genuine victims will not be believed, and real abusers will get away with their actions.
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@To Be or Not To Be, re: this:"Robin Williams LIVES on lol !!!!"
Well...you should know, shouldn't you. :icon_e_surprised: ;)
But, about your post here, How much further (back?) are we talking about, and is that horizontally, historically or vertically? :icon_e_confused: :confused:
@ Suspicious Mind, Yup, :) I knew exactly what you saw! Good eye! :icon_e_wink: WR appears to me to truly have a conscience, hence the creeping himself out, with this charade :-[ yet, an iron will to go through with his act, and I don't think for money, but for some worthy MJ purpose, which, Idk what, remains to be revealed :icon_bounce:. I'm so glad I saw this on his face!! :bowdown: Michael Jackson can persuade people to do practically anything! Why? Because they are loyal to him and trust him and recognize him as a leader and champion of good cause. Just watch :icon_exclaim: :smiley_abuv:
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From my personal interaction with people just this weekend, brought on by talk of Cliff Richard, I'd say the public is getting wise to the dubious actions of both the media and money hungry opportunists. These people I was with aren't particularly fans of MJ, but they don't believe he was ever guilty of anything, they didn't know about Robson and Safechuck but dismissed their claims as money grabbing, when I told them.
MJ fans tend, I think, to view the few vocal 'haters' as a reflection of the general public, but increasingly I don't think that's true.
The danger of course, in a swing from believing every allegation reported by the media, to believing nothing, is that genuine victims will not be believed, and real abusers will get away with their actions.
Yes you are right, and i have to recall " lots of people" i had to be saying " some people.
But i still don't see how the WR allegation would help MJ. we know in the past there wasent so much of a media circus when MJ was aquitted of all charges, it wasent in the media's needs to set the record straight. They wanted him to be guilty,....